Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #22

[ncnative]

WREATH

What do you think of this: Instead of putting the wreath for Nancy Cooper out in the median behind Brad's home, I have a better idea. If I were to put it in the median, I feel that it would be vandalized or stolen.

I think it would be better if I ask Java Jive to display it. Did someone say Nancy's birthday is on Monday? If so, I got a "friends" type birthday card, which could be displayed with the wreath, and I will add extra sheets of paper so that her friends and well-wishers may come by JJ and write short notes, or a favorite memory of Nancy.

After a time, I would get the wreath back, but I'd gather the card/notes and send them to Nancy's family in Canada. It would make a nice memoir for her daughters later on, if they so chose.

What do you think of this?

[ncnative]

WREATH

What do you think of this: Instead of putting the wreath for Nancy Cooper out in the median behind Brad's home, I have a better idea. If I were to put it in the median, I feel that it would be vandalized or stolen.

I think it would be better if I ask Java Jive to display it. Did someone say Nancy's birthday is on Monday? If so, I got a "friends" type birthday card, which could be displayed with the wreath, and I will add extra sheets of paper so that her friends and well-wishers may come by JJ and write short notes, or a favorite memory of Nancy.

After a time, I would get the wreath back, but I'd gather the card/notes and send them to Nancy's family in Canada. It would make a nice memoir for her daughters later on, if they so chose.

What do you think of this?

[ncnative]

Sorry, I didn't mean to post it twice. I'm not sure how to delete the second duplicate post.

[Topsail Girl]

NCNATIVE YOU ROCK!!!!!!! That is an awesome idea and I'll contact my news person and make sure the media knows about it if you want me to.

[maconrich]

Excellent idea!!! I'll have to admit I wasn't keen on putting it too close to anyone's house and this idea is brilliant!! I'm sure the family will love it too :clap::clap::clap:
ETA: Yes, I do believe Monday is her birthday.

[fran]

[QUOTE=maconrich;2538092]
Question for anyone: http://www.gratefulness.org has virtual candle lighting, and I know there's a group set up for a missing Georgia woman (that's how I learned of the site), but I don't have a clue how to set something like that up. Does anyone? And does it sound like a good idea or not? The link for the candles is http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng and I see the link for Groups, but again I'm not sure how to do it or if it should even be done. So just a thought.QUOTE]

There is a virtual candle site that has been set up by DD, and has a blog type message thingie with it. I can't remember the name of it or the url, though, but it is very nicely done.

When you go to the gratefulness candle site and lite a candle, in the process of lighting a candle, there is a 'group' line. Websleuths is listed under WS. I went there a while ago and our group didn't have any candles lit. I lit one for the UID Maricopa Jane Doe that the wonderful group of Websleuthers were able to assist in indentifying yesterday.{still crying about that one}

It would be nice if we could lite candles for Nancy in honor of her birthday.

Just a thought,
fran

[fran]

WREATH

What do you think of this: Instead of putting the wreath for Nancy Cooper out in the median behind Brad's home, I have a better idea. If I were to put it in the median, I feel that it would be vandalized or stolen.

I think it would be better if I ask Java Jive to display it. Did someone say Nancy's birthday is on Monday? If so, I got a "friends" type birthday card, which could be displayed with the wreath, and I will add extra sheets of paper so that her friends and well-wishers may come by JJ and write short notes, or a favorite memory of Nancy.

After a time, I would get the wreath back, but I'd gather the card/notes and send them to Nancy's family in Canada. It would make a nice memoir for her daughters later on, if they so chose.

What do you think of this?

That is an awesome idea! Best one I've seen.

Perhaps we could start a 'Birthday' thread for Nancy here on Websleuths, and you could also print that out and send it to her family as well.

fran

[maconrich]

[quote=Star12;2538172]

When you go to the gratefulness candle site and lite a candle, in the process of lighting a candle, there is a 'group' line. Websleuths is listed under WS. I went there a while ago and our group didn't have any candles lit. I lit one for the UID Maricopa Jane Doe that the wonderful group of Websleuthers were able to assist in indentifying yesterday.{still crying about that one}

It would be nice if we could lite candles for Nancy in honor of her birthday.

Just a thought,
fran

How did you find the WS group? I'm willing to lite one for her - every 48 hours for that matter until justice is done...

[fran]

[quote=fran;2538490]

How did you find the WS group? I'm willing to lite one for her - every 48 hours for that matter until justice is done...

When you're filling out the 'request,' it has a space for 'group.' Just put in "WS," that's how we're listed. There were no candles lit earlier.

fran

[Skittles]

WREATH

What do you think of this: Instead of putting the wreath for Nancy Cooper out in the median behind Brad's home, I have a better idea. If I were to put it in the median, I feel that it would be vandalized or stolen.

I think it would be better if I ask Java Jive to display it. Did someone say Nancy's birthday is on Monday? If so, I got a "friends" type birthday card, which could be displayed with the wreath, and I will add extra sheets of paper so that her friends and well-wishers may come by JJ and write short notes, or a favorite memory of Nancy.

After a time, I would get the wreath back, but I'd gather the card/notes and send them to Nancy's family in Canada. It would make a nice memoir for her daughters later on, if they so chose.

What do you think of this?

That's a wonderful idea! Thanks for working on this.

[mahmoo]

Hi ncnative :wave:

Sounds like a great idea to place the wreath at JJ.

[maconrich]

[quote=maconrich;2538504]

When you're filling out the 'request,' it has a space for 'group.' Just put in "WS," that's how we're listed. There were no candles lit earlier.

fran

Thanks, Fran. Here's the direct link to the WS group http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WS

[Anderson]

NCNATIVE YOU ROCK!!!!!!! That is an awesome idea and I'll contact my news person and make sure the media knows about it if you want me to.

:clap::clap::clap:

What a great idea! I really think this is a wonderful community.

[ncnative]

Great! I'm slow, but I'll get it to JJ today or tomorrow. I will notify you when I've placed the wreath and card, etc. at JJ.

[Anderson]

There's a number of upcoming milestones in this case that will keep it front-and-center in the media/public eye (in the Cary area, the Edmonton area, and probably others where there's general interest).

Specifically, the (potential) unsealing of the search-warrants 6 business days from now, then approximately 3 weeks after that the court (custody-related) hearing to determine if the husband should undergo a deep psychiatric probe conducted by 3rd party, and finally about 1 month after that the (potential) court hearing to determine permanent custody of the children.

So no worries about this one fading anytime soon... and of course all the above is just the known upcoming events. Other things can happen (e.g. arrest) in addition to bring it full center again.

Great points.

[Anderson]

Great! I'm slow, but I'll get it to JJ today or tomorrow. I will notify you when I've placed the wreath and card, etc. at JJ.

What a wonderful thing to do NC!

FYI

Her birthday is listed on the memorial site as August 25th.

[Topsail Girl]

Great! I'm slow, but I'll get it to JJ today or tomorrow. I will notify you when I've placed the wreath and card, etc. at JJ.

Check PM's please :blowkiss:

[jmflu]

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1--If it was that easy he could have called.
2--He knew she couldn't get in without her ID
3--If he was inquiring about NC then how would he explain it when he takes her ID card out?

Re: if it was that easy, he could have called.
But then he would not have been able to verify his identity, which is what he maybe thought he could accomplish by being there in person with his card.

[jmflu]

Post of the day.

My thought EXACTLY.

[jmflu]

SG....lets add NO obituary.
Tells the sweet innocent children their mom is dead just before the memorial and walks away. This man is suppose to protect them, help them thru times of need. JERK is putting it mildly.

Yes, what ABOUT an obit??? Never thought about that! I am still wondering if the woman has been buried!!! I know there was talk of an urn but no one ever said she was in it!

[jmflu]

I've thought a bit about this too, and agree on the surface it might not look right, but to some extent, won't he get dinged either way? If he were to campaign / offer reward / go on TV and say he will fight for justice... won't people just say he's being disingenuous, and trying to "trick" everyone (ie, pull an "OJ"). [ Similar reaction when K&B posted up their web site ]

If it were me, and I was innocent, I suppose I wouldn't care what everyone thought, and I'd do it (search, go on TV, offer award, go vigilante, whatever)... anyway, who knows what his attorneys have advised him... who knows EXACTLY how any of us would deal with this exact situation.

Bottom line, it's hard (for me anyway) to pass too much judgment on this particular front.

WHO CARES HOW IT LOOKS WHEN YOU HAVE LOST THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE??! And why on earth would your lawyers offer advice NOT to try to help if you are INNOCENT??!

[jmflu]

I've watched the reaction of the people around him. He is part of a very caring community. The fact that NO ONE is showing up on his doorstep with casserole in hand, NONE of their friends (other than S.H.) is speaking with him, let alone consoling him. Nancy's parents want nothing to do with him. He's not calling L.E. and asking for updates on the investigation to find Nancy's killer. Forget all the high profile stuff that some people do. Just little acts that are caring things. He's persona non grata now. And no, I don't think it's *just* the fact that they were headed towards divorce.

The community does NOT appear to be supporting Brad. There's no reward being offered for the killer(s)...not offered by ANYONE, including Nancy's family, friends, Cisco...NO ONE.

Now that doesn't mean a person is guilty if the community isn't supportive of them, but it's a clue as to what people think and the environment.

Brad is more concerned with getting receipts from HT (and probably learning what video they have on him) than in helping to catch the 'real killer' of his wife. Again, that doesn't mean he's guilty, but it does give one pause. And yes, Mom, no obituary in the paper! And I sincerely doubt he had any memorial service for NC. He's not sorry she's dead...he's just sorry that the spotlight is on him for it.

Now I worry that there won't be enough evidence for super-careful-DA Willoughby to ever take this to trial. Yes, I'm concerned. He seems very hesitant to prosecute and you know what? Not ALL cases are 'slam dunks.' Sometimes you do have to take a little risk in order to get justice.

Can there be TWO posts of the day? You are impressing me, Sleuthy...

[Star12]

WHO CARES HOW IT LOOKS WHEN YOU HAVE LOST THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE??! And why on earth would your lawyers offer advice NOT to try to help if you are INNOCENT??!

Or, who cares how it looks when your children have lost their mother?

When my ex was in a car accident, he called and told the children. They were anxious about it, so I took them to the hospital so they could see he was really okay.

You support the children, always.

[sunflowers]

dang....I can't get it to open.

i can't get it open either. i've tried with firefox & safari---any suggestions? thanks

[sunflowers]

I found out how to put the pics on here like your doing. I actually found one of the shoe line up they are going to do in court with BC

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/LuvClaysVoice2003/verndu.jpg

this is what i'm trying to open but can't. thanks

[Star12]

i can't get it open either. i've tried with firefox & safari---any suggestions? thanks

Um, I think it's a picture of a poster about shoes.

[sunflowers]

I just came back and you say you can't get it to open? It is all the shoes in the post...Are you needing it bigger?...LOL

I couldn't find one with someone having their shoes on backwards like BC might have done.

is there talk of nancy's shoes being on backwards?

[RKAB]

NcNative, please check your pm's.
:)

[sunflowers]

[QUOTE=Star12;2538172]

When you go to the gratefulness candle site and lite a candle, in the process of lighting a candle, there is a 'group' line. Websleuths is listed under WS. I went there a while ago and our group didn't have any candles lit. I lit one for the UID Maricopa Jane Doe that the wonderful group of Websleuthers were able to assist in indentifying yesterday.{still crying about that one}

It would be nice if we could lite candles for Nancy in honor of her birthday.

Just a thought,
fran

wonderful idea

[Star12]

is there talk of nancy's shoes being on backwards?

No. I think Mom was referring to someone who had said BC was the type who would put his shoes on backwards. I think she was having a giddy moment with that piece of amusement. This would be the clue:

'I couldn't find one with someone having their shoes on backwards like BC might have done.'

The picture is linked on Mom's photobucket page.

[pamlet]

is there talk of nancy's shoes being on backwards?

I think that comes from speculation it he killed her and had to dress her..

[sunflowers]

Great! I'm slow, but I'll get it to JJ today or tomorrow. I will notify you when I've placed the wreath and card, etc. at JJ.

thank you so much NCNative for doing this for Nancy & for her family & friends & on behalf of all of us. JJ is a brilliant idea, & a wonderful way to honor Nancy

thanks

[sunflowers]

No. I think Mom was referring to someone who had said BC was the type who would put his shoes on backwards. I think she was having a giddy moment with that piece of amusement. This would be the clue:

'I couldn't find one with someone having their shoes on backwards like BC might have done.'

The picture is linked on Mom's photobucket page.

thanks, star. now i get it--sry i was slow. i guess i had some wishful thinking about another possible "mistake" that BC made....

[stillblv]

Just a suggestion as somewhat of an outsider....perhaps you should let nancy's friend (perhaps the one who set up the blog or maybe even diana duncan who has the memorial page) that you want to do this and who you are and why you want to do it. If I had a friend killed and there were a bunch of strangers (I am assuming these people do not know who websleuths are or the reasons behind it) that wanted to do this, I might find it a little strange at first unless it were explained to me that this group of people are following and have been affected by Nancy's death and want to do this out of love and respect.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth...not much

[Topsail Girl]

Just a suggestion as somewhat of an outsider....perhaps you should let nancy's friend (perhaps the one who set up the blog or maybe even diana duncan who has the memorial page) that you want to do this and who you are and why you want to do it. If I had a friend killed and there were a bunch of strangers (I am assuming these people do not know who websleuths are or the reasons behind it) that wanted to do this, I might find it a little strange at first unless it were explained to me that this group of people are following and have been affected by Nancy's death and want to do this out of love and respect.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth...not much

Actually that is a very good idea because the media is most likely going to want to do an interview with someone who is involved with this wreath/memorial. That would give us a spokesperson so to speak. Amanda Lamb has already contacted me about doing a story on this case in comparison to Michelle Young's case so I expect she will want to cover this memorial on Mondy since that is Nancy's birthday.

[Roy23]

Or, who cares how it looks when your children have lost their mother?

When my ex was in a car accident, he called and told the children. They were anxious about it, so I took them to the hospital so they could see he was really okay.

You support the children, always.


This kind of hits home to me as well. I just had my first child this year. I really never wanted any children--- and like every other man having their first child saw it as a way to prevent me from doing the things that I like to do. After having my son, though, I am changed forever. My marriage is far from perfect but my wife is a great mother and loves our son. No matter how bad my wife could be (which she is not) knowing my child lost their mother would be a helpless feeling. I would be there no matter what, you would have to pry my dead, cold fingers from my child to keep me away from them. A child needs their mother!!!

[SleuthyGal]

Wreath @ JJ is a fantastic idea! And that way Brad no one can remove it except for the owners/managers there.

[momto3kids]

Hi guys....I just got in from a torture root canal and see many are wondering about the shoes being on backwards.

I want to answer this so it isn't misconstrued by someone in the media.:dj:, that's all I need.

On 08/19 we were discussing the bra, clothing and what the flyer did or didn't have on it, and I tossed this out as humor....post #474

My post began were I quoted Star12---- I don't think he dressed her, either, but I also don't think that she was "missing" any clothing, either. After all, running shorts don't look at all like bermudas. They are pretty darn skimpy.

I quoted..I just hope he put her shoes on the wrong feet.

[jmflu]

Roy...you asked the question about BC going to LTF being a fact. I answered he did go to LTF per his affidavit, so that is a fact. That was your question.


Just because BC said he did or didn't do something certainly doesn't make it fact, if you get my drift!!

[jmflu]

I also nominate this for post of the day.


I'd convict his ass!!

[jumpstreet]

Just because BC said he did or didn't do something certainly doesn't make it fact, if you get my drift!!

Indeed, the affidavit basically states he was looking for NC at LTF. Should that be taken as fact too? Or... TBD? [ If it is taken as fact, it is the same as saying BC did not believe her to be dead at the time he went to LTF, which is pretty much the same as saying BC didn't commit the crime ]

For me, I've put very little (if any) stock into the statements in the custody affidavits (from plaintiff or defendants) on face value. There's just too many strong reasons for why there would be significant falsehoods (and/or mis-leading information) in both (IMO).

[jmflu]

Thanks...I understand you can't enter LTFwithout an ID being swiped, correct?

Do you know if they will give out information on a family member having checked in?

I must be confused... I read the post saying you can get in without your ID as long as they have your face in front of them and it matches the one on the screen. But Mom, you are asking in the same email again, so they can't get in without an ID??

[jumpstreet]

I'd convict his ass!!

Hee hee... well, at least 1 or 2 (but not many) on the board would seem to agree. In the earlier informal straw poll of the board, asking opinions of % liklihood of each of these theory categories (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171), on the Theories thread, a few responded with 99 or 99.9% chance for Theory A.

That doesn't leave much room for reasonable doubt, which implies (if serious), that if on a jury, they would probably return a verdict of guilty today (based on current knowns).

[jmflu]

Corner of Six Forks and Old Wake Forest....this is where we go.


And you live near BC??!

[momto3kids]

And you live near BC??!

What exactly are you asking me??? This was about a car being detailed.

[Roy23]

Indeed, the affidavit basically states he was looking for NC at LTF. Should that be taken as fact too? Or... TBD? [ If it is taken as fact, it is the same as saying BC did not believe her to be dead at the time he went to LTF, which is pretty much the same as saying BC didn't commit the crime ]

For me, I've taken very little (in any) of the statements in the custody affidavits (from plaintiff or defendants) as fact just on face value. There's strong explanations for why there would be significant falsehoods in both (IMO).


He says he didn't kill her either. I am waiting for the unsealing of the warrants. We want to agree with all the affidavits when it makes our case come out like we think it should but we disagree when it doesn't make our case. At the end of the day, we have some inside information that most likely some is true and some is not. That is not to criticize anybody either. In the beginning, Chief said this crime is neither random or isolated and that the public is safe.

It didn't take long for the finger to point to Brad. And numerous sources claimed of this early morning HT trip from the beginning. They are just building their case but it is anybody's guess what pinpointed LE directly at Brad. I hope it is next week assuming it does not jeopardize the case.

[Star12]

And you live near BC??!

And I get my hair cut up near Falls and Millbrook. You get service done where you like and trust the people.

[jmflu]

[QUOTE=jumpstreet;2536808]I

If I'm BC, and I want to have NC's card swiped... just walk to the counter, and hand them that card. [ Sure if the photo comes up on their screen, and it's the wife, they may tell him "looks like your wifes card", but at that point, he can just say "oh, sorry, I must have grabbed it by mistake", and then leave. Mission (get her card swiped) accomplished.

BRILLIANT!

[momto3kids]

And I get my hair cut up near Falls and Millbrook. You get service done where you like and trust the people.



So now I have to answer how I know anyone or any place of business outside of Cary! :boohoo:

Talk about picking posts apart, this is getting ridiculous IMO

I'm with you on this Star...we take our vehicles to North Raleigh because we like Chip's detailing and the service he provides. BTW...Chip is the owner and was a next door neighbor of ours. I guess now I will be asked why he isn't our neighbor any more........

[jumpstreet]

He says he didn't kill her either

Just curious on this one - did he actually explicitly say this in any of his affidavits?

[Star12]

So now I have to answer how I know anyone or any place of business outside of Cary! :boohoo:

Talk about picking posts apart, this is getting ridiculous IMO

No one needs to justify where they get stuff done. That's why there are choices, lots of stylists, lots of detail shops, etc.

[Roy23]

Just curious on this one - did he actually explicitly say this in any of his affidavits?


I don't think so. But he said it on television.

[jumpstreet]

I don't think so. But he said it on television.

Hmmm... not recalling this part either. [ I do recall his attorney making a statement along these lines on BC's behalf, but don't recall actually seeing BC categorically state this (in any press conference, etc) ]

Not saying that means anything, I was just trying to recall the specifics...

[jmflu]

What exactly are you asking me??? This was about a car being detailed.

It's a long way to drive to get your car detailed when you live in Cary is what I was saying...

[jmflu]

So now I have to answer how I know anyone or any place of business outside of Cary! :boohoo:

Talk about picking posts apart, this is getting ridiculous IMO

Misinterpretation of my post...I totally love you Mom and know you live near BC... I was just marveling that you drove all that way!

Now don't start getting paranoid... I've only seen one person on here who questions your statements... the rest of us are thriving off of them!

:blowkiss:

[raisincharlie]

I don't think so. But he said it on television.


Wasn't it Mr. Blum, his lawyer, who said Brad did not kill his wife ? I don't think Brad has said boo to the media since 14 July before Nancy was found.

[Roy23]

Wasn't it Mr. Blum, his lawyer, who said Brad did not kill his wife ? I don't think Brad has said boo to the media since 14 July before Nancy was found.


I thought I had seen something on TV. Maybe it was his laywer. So maybe he hasn't lied about that. My bad. Honestly, it is really not worth it for me to search for that comment.

[jumpstreet]

...I don't think Brad has said boo to the media since 14 July before Nancy was found.

Probably on the advice of his attorneys...

[raisincharlie]

I thought I had seen something on TV. Maybe it was his laywer. So maybe he hasn't lied about that. My bad. Honestly, it is really not worth it for me to search for that comment.

Well we seem to have those who want to stick with the facts. Fact is Brad didn't say it.

[raisincharlie]

Probably on the advice of his attorneys...

His lawyer should have advised him NOT to write out those affidavits.

[Roy23]

Well we seem to have those who want to stick with the facts. Fact is Brad didn't say it.

Aghh. Want to get real technical huh. His attorney said it. Isn't that good enough for you?

[Jess]

Aghh. Want to get real technical huh. His attorney said it. Isn't that good enough for you?

Well, Roy, it isn't good enough for me !! I want to see his body and facial language as he says it. I want to hear his voice..

Nope, his lawyer saying it, isn't enough for me.

[jumpstreet]

His lawyer should have advised him NOT to write out those affidavits.

Yeah, that is a puzzler. If I was guilty, there's no way I would write out all that stuff (even if attorney didn't stop me)... it just gives too much info over to the prosecution.

Now, if I was innocent (and desperate to keep my kids), I might figure I wouldn't have much to lose in trying to defend and/or respond to some of the points being raised against me in the custody proceedings.

If BC is "crafty" enough to (supposedly) try to get his wife's card swiped at LTF to place her there, and clever enough to intentionally go to HT, orchestrating phone calls to create alibi, it certainly seems inconsistent to then go and put any more than absolutely necessary in a public record affidavit. [ That is, if he's guilty ]

If he's innocent though, then maybe I can see it (the statements in the affidavit at least)

Just MO...

[Roy23]

Well, Roy, it isn't good enough for me !! I want to see his body and facial language as he says it. I want to hear his voice..

Nope, his lawyer saying it, isn't enough for me.

By Ed CrumpCARY (WTVD) -- Cary Police detectives are not saying anything publicly about the Nancy Cooper murder case, but there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes.

Eyewitness News has learned investigators are focused on Brad Cooper's sworn statement.
Cooper says he told police he did not kill his wife.
Story continues below

[raisincharlie]

Aghh. Want to get real technical huh. His attorney said it. Isn't that good enough for you?


No it is not, Brad hasn't said anything to the media about not killing his wife. So to avoid rumors and speculation - it is not good enoug to say his lawyer said it for him. Guaranteed however he himself told LE he did not.

[raisincharlie]

Yeah, that is a puzzler. If I was guilty, there's no way I would write out all that stuff (even if attorney didn't stop me)... it just gives too much info over to the prosecution.

Now, if I was innocent (and desperate to keep my kids), I might figure I wouldn't have much to lose in trying to defend and/or respond to some of the points being raised against me in the custody proceedings.

If BC is "crafty" enough to (supposedly) try to get his wife's card swiped at LTF to place her there, and clever enough to intentionally go to HT, orchestrating phone calls to create alibi, it certainly seems inconsistent to then go and put any more than absolutely necessary in a public record affidavit. [ That is, if he's guilty ]

If he's innocent though, then maybe I can see it (the statements in the affidavit at least)

Just MO...

He likes to be in control.

[Roy23]

Well we seem to have those who want to stick with the facts. Fact is Brad didn't say it.

Also let me say here that although I have stepped on a few toes here, I do not believe that everybody should just stick to facts. I think opinions and projections are great. Mom is a great poster here and a large percentage of this forum welcomes her inside information. Because I take it at face value, doesn't mean that I am right nor anyone else should not value it.

My eggs are not in one basket here. But just like you believe that a large percentage of Brad's affidavit is a lie, I think that some of our insider knowledge may not be fact. I will be here when the facts come out and I am man enough to admit my mistakes. I do not believe the media is knocking down citizen's doors to get inside information that is limited because people can get in trouble. It is not so much criticism to another poster as it is that I just am not buying it.

[raisincharlie]

Also let me say here that although I have stepped on a few toes here, I do not believe that everybody should just stick to facts. I think opinions and projections are great. Mom is a great poster here and a large percentage of this forum welcomes her inside information. Because I take it at face value, doesn't mean that I am right nor anyone else should not value it.

My eggs are not in one basket here. But just like you believe that a large percentage of Brad's affidavit is a lie, I think that some of our insider knowledge may not be fact. I will be here when the facts come out and I am man enough to admit my mistakes. I do not believe the media is knocking down citizen's doors to get inside information that is limited because people can get in trouble. It is not so much criticism to another poster as it is that I just am not buying it.


I respect that. But where there are facts, I do rather favor them.

[jumpstreet]

He likes to be in control.

Who wouldn't, when/if wrongly accused/implicated try to grasp for some degree of control.

[Star12]

So in a nutshell, again no proof of LTF at all. This doesn't get it done for me although it may be 100% correct. I want to deal with proven facts. I will watch this from the sidelines until this all comes out. I am not used to one insider having more information than the bloodsucking media.

Bolding is mine.

:confused:

[RaleighNC]

Yeah - that was when Brad was showing folks potential murder weapons (the shovel) when she was still "missing". They are tramping through the woods looking for a PERSON - he's looking for "what killed her".

If you were searching for your wife, and trying to find HER, hoping and praying that she's ALIVE - wouldn't you be looking for scraps of clothing, or footprints instead of a SHOVEL?

But - let's remember, this is the same Brad that when he talked to JA, he stated that he was putting the kids in the car to go look for CARRIE, NOT his wife? Wonder why? Perhaps because he knew he wouldn't find her? or because he already knew where she was?

Way to go, Einstein.

[Roy23]

I respect that. But where there are facts, I do rather favor them.

Me too. I kind of see you as the leader of this forum on Nancy Cooper. I am sorry that i have hurt some feelings on here so if I am labeled as antagonist, I find it unfortunate. Brad said he didn't kill his wife but not on television as far as I can tell. It is not a big deal, at least to me. I don't have any inside knowledge and I have opinions, but i am basing it on facts that I understand. Not from one poster.

[Roy23]

Bolding is mine.

:confused:

I was referring to LTF. Brad said he went to LTF. I have a problem that this is something he stated he did but some want to make it like he was sneaking there to plant evidence that Nancy was there.

[raisincharlie]

Me too. I kind of see you as the leader of this forum on Nancy Cooper. I am sorry that i have hurt some feelings on here so if I am labeled as antagonist, I find it unfortunate. Brad said he didn't kill his wife but not on television as far as I can tell. It is not a big deal, at least to me. I don't have any inside knowledge and I have opinions, but i am basing it on facts that I understand. Not from one poster.

No leaders Roy - everyone has something to offer, even if it is opposing (non confrontational is always nice), and it is always a good thing to exercise the brain. Hopefully we have some documented facts before long, but I have to say, sometimes there are legitimate locals and not so legitimate locals, seen it several times. Can't always rule out what they have heard or been told - they are living in the middle of it.

[jumpstreet]

IMO, practically nothing in any of the custody affidavits can be taken as "facts".

Certainly it's not reasonable to "pick and choose" pieces of BC's affidavit, and categorize those statements that support one's theory to be fact, and then turnaround and categorize those statements that refute one's theory to be "lies".

e.g. Roy's earlier question: How do we known it as fact that Brad went to LTF? A posted response to that query was "Because he said so in his affidavit". By that logic, the fact that it's in his affidavit makes it true, then it follows pretty much that BC didn't commit the crime (based on other statements in his affidavit). For the plantiff's side of course, 90% is hearsay.

Bottom line, for making any sound judgments as to the criminal case, very little should be gleaned from the affidavits (IMO).

As for known facts, if we really peel the onion, there's precious few that's for sure.

Heck, there are some on the forum (though a small percentage) who don't even completely concede that she's really deceased. [ Ref the infamous Theory D (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171), and the ~1% number it got in the straw poll from those responding ]

[raisincharlie]

Who wouldn't, when/if wrongly accused/implicated try to grasp for some degree of control.

LE hasn't named him anything - what is there to defend or control ? If his affidavits were about his ability as a father I would have a very different view of him.

[jumpstreet]

LE hasn't named him anything - what is there to defend or control ? If his affidavits were about his ability as a father I would have a very different view of him.

I was just responding to the comment that he likes to be in control. I took your point to mean that his statements in the affidavit were an attempt to take (some) control of a "situation" (presumably the custody one).

If he's guilty, then perhaps it makes sense that his custody affidavit was just an attempt at asserting "control". That's fair.

I was trying to (also) consider the flip that if he is (or happens to be) innocent, then another explanation (for all the statements he made) may be that he was (somewhat desperately) trying to respond to the direct accusations from the plaintiff's side, with less regard for the criminal.

Seems that he did spend a fair # of cycles in his affidavit on the subject of fatherhood, and addressing that angle too.

Regardless, it would seem more usual and customary for his attorneys to have suggested a course of brevity (given the (potential for) criminal investigation), but as we all know, this case is far from the "usual and customary" (if there is such a thing) that's for sure! :)

[Roy23]

No leaders Roy - everyone has something to offer, even if it is opposing (non confrontational is always nice), and it is always a good thing to exercise the brain. Hopefully we have some documented facts before long, but I have to say, sometimes there are legitimate locals and not so legitimate locals, seen it several times. Can't always rule out what they have heard or been told - they are living in the middle of it.

The thing is I haven't ruled it out. But let me say in the nicest way I can, I believed a lot more of it until yesterday. I will be here when the facts come out. I will have lost or gained respect or not. I do not have the luxury now of meeting most of you in person since I am not from the area. And you are a leader here, whether you like it or not. The longer I am here, I can promise you that I will bring some positive. Very soon we will know a lot more and I have no problem with anyone rubbing it in my face.

[raisincharlie]

IMO, practically nothing in any of the custody affidavits can be taken as "facts".

Certainly it's not reasonable to "pick and choose" pieces of BC's affidavit, and categorize those statements that support one's theory to be fact, and then turnaround and categorize those statements that refute one's theory to be "lies".

e.g. Roy's earlier question: How do we known it as fact that Brad went to LTF? A posted response to that query was "Because he said so in his affidavit". By that logic, the fact that it's in his affidavit makes it true, then it follows pretty much that BC didn't commit the crime (based on other statements in his affidavit). For the plantiff's side of course, 90% is hearsay.

Bottom line, for making any sound judgments as to the criminal case, very little should be gleaned from the affidavits (IMO).

As for known facts, if we really peel the onion, there's precious few that's for sure.

Heck, there are some on the forum (though a small percentage) who don't even completely concede that she's really deceased. [ Ref the infamous Theory D (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171), and the ~1% number it got in the straw poll from those responding ]

That 90% hearsey seems to be very consistent across the board. Can't all be lies, too many points line up. Same with Brad's statements - it isn't all lies.

[raisincharlie]

The thing is I haven't ruled it out. But let me say in the nicest way I can, I believed a lot more of it until yesterday. I will be here when the facts come out. I will have lost or gained respect or not. I do not have the luxury now of meeting most of you in person since I am not from the area. And you are a leader here, whether you like it or not. The longer I am here, I can promise you that I will bring some positive. Very soon we will know a lot more and I have no problem with anyone rubbing it in my face.

When we get some documented facts - will look forward to your opinion.

[jumpstreet]

That 90% hearsey seems to be very consistent across the board. Can't all be lies, too many points line up. Same with Brad's statements - it isn't all lies.

On the plantiff's side, here's a thought on how it lines up so nicely:
- everyone's primary source for much of the inflamatory stuff was NC (so same source)...
- NC's close friends who completed affidavits were convinced that NC would not want BC to have the children...
- NC's close friends who completed affidavits were willing to selectively emphasize certain things towards the end of ensuring BC did not get custody. [ They were devastated by this loss (some perhaps even feeling a touch of helplessness), and saw this as at least "something" they could do for their friend] ...

I'm not saying any of the above (if even remotely true) is wrong, or bad.
I'm just offering it as a possible explanation for how so much of the stories on the plaintiff's line up so neatly, and still very well could be vast mis-interpretations of the true situation to a large extent.

[raisincharlie]

On the plantiff's side, here's a thought on how it lines up so nicely:
- everyone's primary source for much of the inflamatory stuff was NC (so same source)
- NC's close friends who completed affidavits were convinced that NC would not want BC to have the children
- NC's close friends who completed affidavits were willing to selectively emphasize certain things towards the end of ensuring BC did not get custody. [ They were devastated by this loss (some perhaps even feeling a touch of helplessness), and saw this as at least "something" they could do for their friend.

I'm not saying any of the above (if even remotely true) is wrong, or bad.
I'm just offering it as a possible explanation for how so much of the stories on the plaintiff's line up so neatly, and still very well could be mis-interpretations of the situation to a large extent.

Rule out what Nancy told them and look at what they saw themselves first hand - very consistent. Unfortunately, the only voice Nancy has is through her friends - some of which were also Brads friends. Whatever the friends had to say, those comments are not the reason Brad lost custody of his children. It is not the reason several LE officers went to retrieve those kids either.

[Roy23]

Rule out what Nancy told them and look at what they saw themselves first hand - very consistent. Unfortunately, the only voice Nancy has is through her friends - some of which were also Brads friends. Whatever the friends had to say, those comments are not the reason Brad lost custody of his children. It is not the reason several LE officers went to retrieve those kids either.

If we had an affidavit from Nancy, we would certainly be able to figure more of this out. I really wonder if she would admit to calling him "Superdad" like she said he did.

[RaleighNC]

If we had an affidavit from Nancy, we would certainly be able to figure more of this out. I really wonder if she would admit to calling him "Superdad" like she said he did.

I think you meant "like HE said SHE did" but anywho...

Perhaps he heard it wrong and she was saying "Supercad"?

[cygnusx1]

If we had an affidavit from Nancy, we would certainly be able to figure more of this out. I really wonder if she would admit to calling him "Superdad" like she said he did.

No, you don't get it. That was another instance of her Canadian sarcasm; that we Suthna's wouldn't understand.

[jumpstreet]

Rule out what Nancy told them and look at what they saw themselves first hand - very consistent.

Right, that's where the selective emphasis part that I mentioned comes in.


Unfortunately, the only voice Nancy has is through her friends - some of which were also Brads friends.

Agreed. As mentioned, it's of course not wrong or bad. It just makes perfect sense (and is only natural) that her friends would want to be her voice, they were convinced that NC didn't want BC to have the children, and this was their way of being her voice. Nothing wrong with it at all. Doesn't mean everything they say is 100% true, but it could explain the degree of consistency in their statements.


Whatever the friends had to say, those comments are not the reason Brad lost custody of his children. It is not the reason several LE officers went to retrieve those kids either.

Agreed here too - there definitely is "something else" compelling (maybe tied to the criminal case, maybe not).

---

I took your earlier post to mean that because all of the plaintiff's comments were consistent, that this somehow lent some credibility to their accuracy. To me it's unclear that it does, that's all [ with my post explaining why I think so ]

They may all be 100% accurate, but it's an unknown in my book and (like BC's affidavit also), I put very little credence in them at this point.

[chauncey7381]

Just a comment or two.

This thread/forum is filled with speculation, theories, Brad-Bashing etc., at it's best. A portion of posters on this thread have already convicted Mr. Cooper based on mud-slinging, vicious hearsay gossip, and statistics. So take the comments here for what they are worth and interpret them for what they are in your own mind. I just don't comment on most of it, simply because I cannot convict or call someone a murderer without seeing the evidence, I also have no desire to get into a pissing contest either over speculation.

The only important stuff "TO ME" that came out in the affidavits was Mr. Cooper providing a time line of his actions, which I believe has been confirmed by LE. This is very important! He saw her leave at 7 am., therefore TOD cannot be before that time according to Mr. Cooper. Will the ME report confirm this? We wait and see.

Yeah, well, I know some folks in the Lochmere community too., I've heard it's stressful times for some that live there, the grapevine is jiggling full throttle. Rumors, gossip, theories continue to emerge. I've even heard there is strife amongst the neighbors about things that were written in the plaintiffs affidavits.

In closing, I truly hope he is cleared/completely exonerated of this crime. I'd like to see him take some legal action against some of the pitchfork and torch carriers who have defamed him! Most of all, I'd like to see him get his children back.

[wirehair]

Don't forget the really early statements from an exroomate and an ex girlfriend that really laid out his personality. Those statements really backed up what was said by NC's friends. Also, many people have talked about the expensive clothes she wore and the extravagant pedicures,etc. There are several great consignment stores in the area. There are many online catalogues that you can order 200 dollar jeans from and get them for less that 60 dollars at times. She had her hair done at one of the most reasonable salons in Cary. As far as her being an athlete and fighting back... he was an athelete also and much bigger than her. If not trained in martial arts he could have had the ability to contain her body with one arm and her mouth with the other. He would have great upper body strength from swimming. Even the day care workers disputed his statement about not visiting the school very often. They did it in a very nice way chalking it up to comparing the amount of visits to most dads with a busy work schedule. There is a state law in north carolina that allows parents to take off time from work to be involved with their children's school functions. I really believe the statement from MT3K about LTF. It could have been an innocent as "here's my wife's card also, she's on her way in with the kids. See, he didn't know at that time that LE was at his house or would be for that matter. He thought he had more time.

[jmflu]

Chauncey,
I don't get people like you who seem to view the obviously very guilty as the innocent, and the other way around, the innocent as the guilty. I saw enough of this crazy talk on WRAL's GOLO site. The people on this site are weighing everything we know and for the most part we are all coming to the same conclusion as NC's friends, her parents, the neighbors, and even BC's ex-girlfriends! If you don't rely on your gut instinct in any of this, then I understand your cry for justice for him. But he has not in any way acted as a man who lost the wife he loved, or the mother of his children. Do you see people, other than those like you who don't even know him, coming to his defense? No. We are not all out of our minds. We are actually taking what has been learned, what has been seen, and what BC himself has revealed in many ways to justify our points of view.

I'll let the others speak now. I'm sure they'll have something to say!

[SleuthyGal]

The only important stuff "TO ME" that came out in the affidavits was Mr. Cooper providing a time line of his actions, which I believe has been confirmed by LE. This is very important! He saw her leave at 7 am., therefore TOD cannot be before that time according to Mr. Cooper.

Well, to be exact about it, he said he saw her leave at 7am. It appears you believe his statement. Many do not (perhaps even most do not). I'm in the camp that does not believe she ever left her house again (alive) after coming home from the Fri night party. One clue is that NO ONE has come forward who says they saw her jogging that Saturday morning, or anywhere else. But yes, we will have to wait 'n see. And also I don't think it's reasonable that she went jogging at 7am when she had plans to meet her friend, JA, at 8am.

Another thing: the 'timeline' then for her murder, according to her husband, would be about 1 hr., give or take. Because she didn't show up or call JA by 8am, and she supposedly did not have a habit of being late, and by Brad's timeline she left around 7am.

BTW, in the Scott Peterson case he said his wife went for a walk the morning she 'went missing.' And Scott left to go GolfFishing. And in that case no one saw Laci alive again after the night before. In that case they had gotten the 'abduction' timeline down to 30 min or less, based on things Peterson said, the cell phone pings from his phone and where he was physically located, and the timing of the Martha Stewart show that he insisted he and Laci were watching. And the jury of course did NOT buy that Laci was abducted at all, let alone in a span of 10 min - 30 min.

[cygnusx1]

...One clue is that NO ONE has come forward who says they saw her jogging that Saturday morning, or anywhere else. But yes, we will have to wait 'n see.

...

Why do we keep discounting this report?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2424810&postcount=26


Originally Posted by momto3kids
I found this posted on the City Data forum, Cary, NC. Page 41, post # 408

I have no idea who this is, but they were a member before the NC case so they didn't join just to state this. Is this why she was partially clothed?


07-26-2008, 07:00 PM
seajoy88

Member


I agree that even though they say it was not a random killing, the fact that no one has been arrested is a little unnerving.

A friend of mine that lives in the Lochmere area reported information to a detective the day Nancy went missing. While my friend was on her jog that day, she saw a woman by Nancy's description around 8am. She described an item of clothing this woman was wearing that was of interest to the detective. Whether this is a coincidence or not, an item of clothing as my friend described was found in the woods. It was not an item of clothing that was known to the public. I have no idea why the police would not release that information, but maybe it was a false lead. Either way, it's just enough information to make my friend stop running alone even if the police say they don't believe the murder was random.

[momto3kids]

Aghh. Want to get real technical huh. His attorney said it. Isn't that good enough for you?

:floorlaugh: I needed a good laugh tonight.

Now Roy....you can't have it both ways. You want facts and this isn't a fact now is it?:waitasec:

The attorney is bias...this is a client that is paying him. Now that is a fact if you want a fact.

[cygnusx1]

Chauncey,
I don't get people like you who seem to view the obviously very guilty as the innocent, and the other way around, the innocent as the guilty.

Two things:

Going by the obvious is a cop-out. If LE always followed the obvious without following the evidence, there would be many more innocents charged/convicted than there already are. Nifong went with the obvious instead of the evidence and look where it got him.
Saying that we are waiting for the evidence and not willing to convict on hearsay, speculation, rumors, emotion, and opinion is not calling NC guilty or deserving of her murder. You are putting words in people's mouths here just as you do on the GOLO board.


When the evidence proves to me beyond a reasonable doubt that BC did it, I'll vote to convict.

[jilly]

The thing is I haven't ruled it out. But let me say in the nicest way I can, I believed a lot more of it until yesterday. I will be here when the facts come out. I will have lost or gained respect or not. I do not have the luxury now of meeting most of you in person since I am not from the area. And you are a leader here, whether you like it or not. The longer I am here, I can promise you that I will bring some positive. Very soon we will know a lot more and I have no problem with anyone rubbing it in my face.


With respect, it just seems to me (from your posts) that you have put RC up on some sort of pedestal so that you can chip away at it each day.

I have known RC long enough to know that he is a sincere advocate for victims and it would be genuinely far too humble of him to consider himself a leader of this forum. He is a gentleman and well respected poster. He has earned that.

Imo, this site is the best on the internet for victims. Even though there is not much happening right now on this case, like Tricia (the owner) has said, by being here we are keeping the story alive. I'm glad you and all the other newcomers are here. Hopefully, more information will be coming out soon. In the meantime, I have to say, if it turns out that some of us are wrong, we won't be rubbing anyone's face in it. That's just not the way we operate here.

[jumpstreet]

Why do we keep discounting this report?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2424810&postcount=26

... and this datapoint (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9161211953219605175&postID=3745390680463117404) (4th post down that page) from neighbor/friend Diana Duncan: that the oldest child herself has stated that she saw mommy leave to go running on Saturday morning. [ The post was also made in the early stages, in theory, when (most) everyone was still being (relatively) objective about things ]

Sure, some have speculated that maybe BC spoke on behalf of his youngest when this information was relayed. That speculation doesn't make much sense to me though... implies an exchange like- BC: "...The last time I saw Nancy was this morning... AND, my 4-year old saw her too!"

Isn't it at least a possibility that indeed the oldest told someone (Diana, and/or others) firsthand that they saw Mommy leave to go running on Saturday AM?

Not suggesting that this post on Mrs. Cooper's blog (put together by her close friend) makes it a "sealed deal" - just saying, it seems reasonable to keep it in front of us with all the other stuff...

[jumpstreet]

...Yeah, well, I know some folks in the Lochmere community too., I've heard it's stressful times for some that live there, the grapevine is jiggling full throttle. Rumors, gossip, theories continue to emerge. I've even heard there is strife amongst the neighbors about things that were written in the plaintiffs affidavits.


Thanks Chauncey. Care to be a share anything more specific you've heard regarding some of the rumors/theories? (feel free to qualify them as such)...

[Anderson]

Well, to be exact about it, he said he saw her leave at 7am. It appears you believe his statement. Many do not (perhaps even most do not). I'm in the camp who does not believe she ever left her house again (alive) after coming home from the Fri night party. One clue is that NO ONE has come forward who says they saw her jogging that Saturday morning, or anywhere else. But yes, we will have to wait 'n see. And also I don't think it's reasonable that she went jogging at 7am when she had plans to meet her friend, JA, at 8am.

Another thing: the 'timeline' then for her murder, according to her husband, would be about 1 hr., give or take. Because she didn't show up or call JA by 8am, and she supposedly did not have a habit of being late, and by Brad's timeline she left around 7am.

BTW, in the Scott Peterson case he said his wife went for a walk the morning she 'went missing.' And Scott left to go GolfFishing. And in that case no one saw Laci alive again after the night before. In that case they had gotten the 'abduction' timeline down to 30 min or less, based on things Peterson said, the cell phone pings from his phone and where he was physically located, and the timing of the Martha Stewart show that he insisted he and Laci were watching. And the jury of course did NOT buy that Laci was abducted at all, let alone in a span of 10 min - 30 min.

I have been wondering whether Brad actually did see her leave at 7am. In his affidavit he only said "Nancy left for her run around 7am." Perhaps he was still on his way back from HT. He doesn't say that he saw her go, only that he had talked to her on the phone. IF someone else was involved, then 6:45 to 7am would be the perfect opportunity to find Nancy alone at the house. :eek:

I know that you have talked about the time that it would take to get back from HT. If he bought the detergent at 6:45 as he states on his affidavit, then what time would he get home? Twenty minutes is in my head, but that could have been for a different location.

Now, I know that this theory may be partly inspired by the psychic thread, so bear with me, it is ONLY a theory. But, I have always wondered if there may be someone else involved. She would be getting ready, putting things in the car (she definitely would have taken her car as this was her regular routine AND she had to go to JA's house between 8 and 9am), and someone may have taken her into another car. This scenario would mean that everything Brad said about the morning trips to the store and mundane domestic phone calls with Nancy could be TRUE:confused:. But, his reason for leaving the house may have been to provide an opportunity for someone that he had hired to have access to Nancy. I also think that the TOD must be after 7am.

Now, I do agree that this may be one of those far-out scenarios. Did anyone see another car at the Cooper house that morning? I wonder. Would they have left the children alone? Well, as Brad was expected back shortly, Nancy could have been waiting for him to return and was getting ready to leave by putting some of her things into the car. This theory also does not take into account the very early morning visit to HT. Unless, he couldn't sleep that night and decided to go out for awhile, but this seems unlikely.

Just some thoughts.

[EntreNous]

Just a comment or two.

This thread/forum is filled with speculation, theories, Brad-Bashing etc., at it's best. A portion of posters on this thread have already convicted Mr. Cooper based on mud-slinging, vicious hearsay gossip, and statistics. So take the comments here for what they are worth and interpret them for what they are in your own mind. I just don't comment on most of it, simply because I cannot convict or call someone a murderer without seeing the evidence, I also have no desire to get into a pissing contest either over speculation.

The only important stuff "TO ME" that came out in the affidavits was Mr. Cooper providing a time line of his actions, which I believe has been confirmed by LE. This is very important! He saw her leave at 7 am., therefore TOD cannot be before that time according to Mr. Cooper. Will the ME report confirm this? We wait and see.

Yeah, well, I know some folks in the Lochmere community too., I've heard it's stressful times for some that live there, the grapevine is jiggling full throttle. Rumors, gossip, theories continue to emerge. I've even heard there is strife amongst the neighbors about things that were written in the plaintiffs affidavits.

In closing, I truly hope he is cleared/completely exonerated of this crime. I'd like to see him take some legal action against some of the pitchfork and torch carriers who have defamed him! Most of all, I'd like to see him get his children back.

It would be so wonderful for Bella & Katie if Brad did turn out to be innocent. However, if he is guilty he certainly needs to be tried and convicted and pay for the crime. What a tragedy if it turns out that those sweet little girls' own father is the one who selfishly took the single most important person in their world mercilessly away from them.

Can I ask who you'd like to see Brad sue? The grieving parents of a viciously murdered daughter who are trying to protect their granddaughters very lives? I mean sure, Brad is innocent until proven guilty but do you think the Rentz family is willing to gamble the safety of Bella & Katie just to prove that point? Would you?

Who's next? The CPD? Jessica Adam? The media?

Your comment really seems to be one of spite and stubbornness with little regard for seeking the truth or what is best for two innocent little girls.

Brad's a big boy, he's a big enough boy to have taken it upon himself to defame his dead wife who is, sadly, no longer here to defend herself. He besmirched Nancy's reputation unnecessarily in affidavits in which he was supposed to be addressing his fitness as a father. And he broke their marriage vows by having an adulterous affair. Now remind me again, who has defamed who???

[SleuthyGal]

Perhaps he was still on his way back from HT. He doesn't say that he saw her go, only that he had talked to her on the phone. IF someone else was involved, then 6:45 to 7am would be the perfect opportunity to find Nancy alone at the house. The children were home...Brad did not have the kids with him when he went on his 2 trips to HT. So if Nancy was at home, alive, between 6am and 7am, she wasn't alone. Further, if Nancy was abducted then the kids would have said something. This would be a completely different story and case. There was no 'abduction' from the home. And LE already said, at least twice, that this is not a random crime and the community is not in any danger.


the oldest child herself has stated that she saw mommy leave to go running on Saturday morning.That's not what DD's post said. It says, "Her husband and elder child saw her leaving for her run Saturday morning." In that one sentence you have no information about what Bella said she herself saw that morning, if anything. You don't know how DD got that info, whether it was Brad who told her that...basically there's nothing there to work with.

From a post taken on another board: A friend of mine that lives in the Lochmere area reported information to a detective the day Nancy went missing. While my friend was on her jog that day, she saw a woman by Nancy's description around 8am. She described an item of clothing this woman was wearing that was of interest to the detective. Whether this is a coincidence or not, an item of clothing as my friend described was found in the woods. It was not an item of clothing that was known to the public. I have no idea why the police would not release that information, but maybe it was a false lead.

It very well may have been a false lead. There are lots of tall, thin, brown-haired women runners in the Lochmere area. I sure hope LE followed-up to see if there was any link to this case. Remember when Laci went missing there was at least 1 neighbor who swore she saw her out walking her dog. Turns out there was another woman in their general neighborhood who was also pregnant, who also had a golden retriever, and who took the dog for a walk. The neighbor insisted she saw Laci. But she didn't. Laci was already dead by then and would soon be on her way to SF Bay. 'Eyewitness evidence' can be some of the weakest evidence in a case.

[chauncey7381]

Chauncey,
I don't get people like you who seem to view the obviously very guilty as the innocent, and the other way around, the innocent as the guilty. I saw enough of this crazy talk on WRAL's GOLO site. The people on this site are weighing everything we know and for the most part we are all coming to the same conclusion as NC's friends, her parents, the neighbors, and even BC's ex-girlfriends! If you don't rely on your gut instinct in any of this, then I understand your cry for justice for him. But he has not in any way acted as a man who lost the wife he loved, or the mother of his children. Do you see people, other than those like you who don't even know him, coming to his defense? No. We are not all out of our minds. We are actually taking what has been learned, what has been seen, and what BC himself has revealed in many ways to justify our points of view.

I'll let the others speak now. I'm sure they'll have something to say!

OH MY! LIONS AND TIGERS! JMFLU has migrated here! Welcome!

Thank you for proving my viewpoint! I'll digress from rebutting "you should, you this, and you that...."

Folks on this thread are entitled to express their views, postulations, I just don't have to agree with it and you don't have to agree with mine. That doesn't make me or the others I disagree with "bad folks."

Heck, I was hoping to get a PM about the "secret meeting" last weekend.

[raisincharlie]

Why do we keep discounting this report?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2424810&postcount=26


I discount it for one reason - and this has been discussed, linked, even given the exact time in the video when it is said.

Chief Bazemore, in the 14 JUly 6:30 presser says quite clearly that as of that time there have been no confirmed sightings of Nancy. I will take her word.

[chauncey7381]

Well, to be exact about it, he said he saw her leave at 7am. It appears you believe his statement. Many do not (perhaps even most do not). I'm in the camp that does not believe she ever left her house again (alive) after coming home from the Fri night party. One clue is that NO ONE has come forward who says they saw her jogging that Saturday morning, or anywhere else. But yes, we will have to wait 'n see. And also I don't think it's reasonable that she went jogging at 7am when she had plans to meet her friend, JA, at 8am.

Another thing: the 'timeline' then for her murder, according to her husband, would be about 1 hr., give or take. Because she didn't show up or call JA by 8am, and she supposedly did not have a habit of being late, and by Brad's timeline she left around 7am.

BTW, in the Scott Peterson case he said his wife went for a walk the morning she 'went missing.' And Scott left to go GolfFishing. And in that case no one saw Laci alive again after the night before. In that case they had gotten the 'abduction' timeline down to 30 min or less, based on things Peterson said, the cell phone pings from his phone and where he was physically located, and the timing of the Martha Stewart show that he insisted he and Laci were watching. And the jury of course did NOT buy that Laci was abducted at all, let alone in a span of 10 min - 30 min.

Sleuthy,

He's given a timeline and said he saw her leave at 7:00---if the ME report comes back and declares TOD was before then----well...well....that changes the picture doesn't it! There are way too many conflicting stories in the affidavits, what is the truth.

I don't find it unreasonable for Mrs. Cooper to go jog for an hour and be a little late. She could have easily ran 3 miles from 7-8. I never show up on time.

[chauncey7381]

It would be so wonderful for Bella & Katie if Brad did turn out to be innocent. However, if he is guilty he certainly needs to be tried and convicted and pay for the crime. What a tragedy if it turns out that those sweet little girls' own father is the one who selfishly took the single most important person in their world mercilessly away from them.

Can I ask who you'd like to see Brad sue? The grieving parents of a viciously murdered daughter who are trying to protect their granddaughters very lives? I mean sure, Brad is innocent until proven guilty but do you think the Rentz family is willing to gamble the safety of Bella & Katie just to prove that point? Would you?

Who's next? The CPD? Jessica Adam? The media?

Your comment really seems to be one of spite and stubbornness with little regard for seeking the truth or what is best for two innocent little girls.

Brad's a big boy, he's a big enough boy to have taken it upon himself to defame his dead wife who is, sadly, no longer here to defend herself. He besmirched Nancy's reputation unnecessarily in affidavits in which he was supposed to be addressing his fitness as a father. And he broke their marriage vows by having an adulterous affair. Now remind me again, who has defamed who???

Entre-nous,

As far as the Coopers marriage---he said/she said. Her friends threw the first round of dirt clogs and accused him of murder, two of them did and he's yet to be charged. He retaliated and he's under intense public scrutiny of a crime he may not have committed. I didn't live their marriage and neither did you. Mrs. Cooper told her friends many things regarding her troubled marriage, who defamed who, I personally think they both had trouble with "me me me." I posted earlier here weeks ago, in reading the affidavits why did they have kids, they were clearly living way beyond their means. Cry me a river! Talk about priorities out of whack!

My comment about litigating against those who have defamed him, have absolutely nothing to with seeking the truth about what happened to Mrs. Cooper.

If he is innocent, and he can't work anymore because his reputation is already smeared in the public arena, then yes, he should litigate against the media and anyone else who contributed to it. Can you say Duke Lacrosse case?

[raisincharlie]

For those of you who find speculating and puzzling to be undignified perhaps you should have followed this thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=139


It clearly demostrates the worthiness of doing so instead of sitting back and doing nothing.

[jumpstreet]

That's not what DD's post said. It says, "Her husband and elder child saw her leaving for her run Saturday morning." In that one sentence you have no information about what Bella said she herself saw that morning, if anything. You don't know how DD got that info, whether it was Brad who told her that...basically there's nothing there to work with.


Thanks SG. My thought on it is that we just continue to "keep it in front of us" along with all the other stuff. You're right, just on face value alone, we cannot infer exactly what was said, and exactly what it means. To me though the post is at the very least "of interest".

If we were to throw out everything in this case that we have "heard", but isn't "solid", then there's nothing to work with on several fronts (e.g. the alleged 4:20 AM HT trip, the LTF encounter, etc - we have no way to know exactly how that information was obtained, who told who what, etc... so using the same criteria as above, there's "nothing to work with" on these items either, and they should be discarded/discounted)

My thought is - we can keep all these things in the mix, and assign some weights to them as appropriate in forming our opinions. The only thing I suggest (while the 'jury's still out' so to speak) is that we're careful about forming an opinion, and them proceeding to discount out (or rationalize out) everything that doesn't support that opinion, simply because it doesn't support.

I think it's "natural" to do this, and somewhat human nature in general (once we have a perspective, we'll tend to give less weight to things that are counter to that perspective), so it takes a little extra effort (to keep all things front and center) if our desire is to remain objective and unbiased.

Does that make sense?

[jumpstreet]

Here's a "question for discussion' for the group: If you could learn one thing for sure about this case... if you could pick one question to ask ME/LE/anyone (alive), and have a guarantee they would answer this one questions truthfully... what would it be?

[ In other words, at this point, what single piece of the puzzle would you most like to have - something that you think would help confirm (or exclude) a lot of things, etc ]

Some examples:
- To ME: What was TOD?
- To LE: What was she wearing at discovery?
- To LE: Who do you currently think did it?
- To LE: What the heck was in all those brown bags taken away from the house?
- To ME: What was COD?
- To BC: Did you do it?
- To BC: What's your favorite color?
- To Person Who Discovered Her: How Are You Holding Up?
- To Eldest Child: Did you see Mommy on Saturday morning?
- To JA: Did you do it?

Anyway - what one thing (and just one) would you most like to know (can be from the above, or something else). It's just a "hypothetical" exercise, for discussion. Participate if you like... or not. :)

[CyberPro]

Two things:

Going by the obvious is a cop-out. If LE always followed the obvious without following the evidence, there would be many more innocents charged/convicted than there already are. Nifong went with the obvious instead of the evidence and look where it got him.
Saying that we are waiting for the evidence and not willing to convict on hearsay, speculation, rumors, emotion, and opinion is not calling NC guilty or deserving of her murder. You are putting words in people's mouths here just as you do on the GOLO board.


When the evidence proves to me beyond a reasonable doubt that BC did it, I'll vote to convict.

(Bolding is mine)

With all due respect, and I will keep this short since it is OT, Nifong went against evidence, logic and obviousness, and stuck with this distorted POV, even after his disbarment hearing. He stated to the end "something happened in that house to cause everyone to leave in such a hurry."

Man talk about :other_beatingA_Dead

CyberPro

[raisincharlie]

Here's a "question for discussion' for the group: If you could learn one thing for sure about this case... if you could pick one question to ask ME/LE/anyone (alive), and have a guarantee they would answer this one questions truthfully... what would it be?

[ In other words, at this point, what single piece of the puzzle would you most like to have - something that you think would help confirm (or exclude) a lot of things, etc ]

Some examples:
- To ME: What was TOD?
- To LE: What was she wearing at discovery?
- To LE: Who do you REALLY think did it?
- To LE: What the heck was in all those brown bags taken away from the house?
- To ME: What was COD?
- To BC: Did you do it?
- To BC: What's your favorite color?
- To Person Who Discovered Her: How Are You Holding Up?
- To Eldest Child: Did you see Mommy on Saturday morning?
- To JA: Did you do it?

Anyway - what one thing (and just one) would you most like to know (can be from the above, or something else). It's just a "hypothetical" exercise, for discussion. Participate if you like... or not. :)


Who actually made the 6:40 phone call Brad claims he got on his way to the store. LE - who did it.

TOD will be a range given Nancy was exposed to high heat as well as rain over three days. COD - dead is dead and this doesn't include or exclude anyone. Will find out shortly what was in the bags - maybe.

No questions for anyone else.

[chauncey7381]

Jumpstreet---

TOD.

Regarding rumor/innuendo stuff I'd rather not be associated with that on a public thread, because there is always a chance it may not be 100% accurate.

I do know someone, who knows someone who is associated with LE at the discovery site. I have been told about Mrs. Cooper's physical condition when found, I will not say anything about it publicly until the autopsy is revealed.

[CyberPro]

Sleuthy,

He's given a timeline and said he saw her leave at 7:00---if the ME report comes back and declares TOD was before then----well...well....that changes the picture doesn't it! There are way too many conflicting stories in the affidavits, what is the truth.

I don't find it unreasonable for Mrs. Cooper to go jog for an hour and be a little late. She could have easily ran 3 miles from 7-8. I never show up on time.

I'm not Quincy, nor did I play him on TV, but I seriously doubt that we are going to get a TOD that will confirm or refute a timeline that is that close. We will only get TOD to within a day or so. After core body temprature drops to become equal with surrounding areas, it relies on decomposition rates and insect waves, and those are only accurate to within a period of hours, at best and days at the outside.

This is based upon reading several ME reports, and somewhat more extensive reading of records of murder victims postmortem reports, with a seasoning of web sites. Someone with better knowledge, PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.

CyberPro

[CyberPro]

Hi guys....I just got in from a torture root canal .... <snip>

There Mom goes again, spreading unsubstantiated rumors! Mom, I don't believe you actually had a root canal, I have not seen anything about it in the MSM, can you prove it with a link?

Just kidding, of course, but that seems to be the level that some folks on here think you need to have in order to believe your posts. Personally, I think your posts are spot on. :blowkiss:

Hope you are OK after the root canal!

CyberPro

[jumpstreet]

Who actually made the 6:40 phone call Brad claims he got on his way to the store. LE - who did it.


Thanks RC... so of the above 2 responses (I assume both for LE), if you had to pick only one which would it be?

- To LE: If Brad received a 6:40 AM call (as he claimed), then who made that?
- To LE: Who do you think did it?

Thanks for the points on TOD.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RC... so of the above 2 responses (I assume both for LE), if you had to pick only one which would it be?

- To LE: If Brad received a 6:40 AM call (as he claimed), then who made that?
- To LE: Who do you think did it?

Thanks for the points on TOD.

Sorry - both are important to me.

[reddress58]

Here's a "question for discussion' for the group: If you could learn one thing for sure about this case... if you could pick one question to ask ME/LE/anyone (alive), and have a guarantee they would answer this one questions truthfully... what would it be?

[ In other words, at this point, what single piece of the puzzle would you most like to have - something that you think would help confirm (or exclude) a lot of things, etc ]

Some examples:
- To ME: What was TOD?
- To LE: What was she wearing at discovery?
- To LE: Who do you currently think did it?
- To LE: What the heck was in all those brown bags taken away from the house?
- To ME: What was COD?
- To BC: Did you do it?
- To BC: What's your favorite color?
- To Person Who Discovered Her: How Are You Holding Up?
- To Eldest Child: Did you see Mommy on Saturday morning?
- To JA: Did you do it?

Anyway - what one thing (and just one) would you most like to know (can be from the above, or something else). It's just a "hypothetical" exercise, for discussion. Participate if you like... or not. :)
To LE: Why were you so certain so quickly this was not a random killing?

[chauncey7381]

I'm not Quincy, nor did I play him on TV, but I seriously doubt that we are going to get a TOD that will confirm or refute a timeline that is that close. We will only get TOD to within a day or so. After core body temprature drops to become equal with surrounding areas, it relies on decomposition rates and insect waves, and those are only accurate to within a period of hours, at best and days at the outside.

This is based upon reading several ME reports, and somewhat more extensive reading of records of murder victims postmortem reports, with a seasoning of web sites. Someone with better knowledge, PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.

CyberPro

Yeah, well I'm sure not Barnaby Jones, yet, I think it's going be extremely important to nail, it could make or break this investigation. Hopefully the advancement of forensics science will aid in making a sound determination. It's horrid to think of her lying out there like that.

I'm going to flower/garden place near Swift Creek, perhaps grab some lunch at the pizza place in that shopping center where HT is and go find the discovery site.

[jumpstreet]

To LE: Why were you so certain so quickly this was not a random killing?

Good one!

[SleuthSayer]

Anyway - what one thing (and just one) would you most like to know (can be from the above, or something else). It's just a "hypothetical" exercise, for discussion. Participate if you like... or not. :)
This is an easy one for me:

- Is there irrefutable forensic evidence that the murder was committed in the Cooper home?

To me, that's the one that really matters. There are those here who seem to believe that the answer to this is "yes". If it is, then that's all that really matters to me. All of the speculation about grocery store trips and swiping membership cards or not at Lifetime Fitness and he said / she said affidavits becomes irrelevant.

Brad claims that she left the home alive on Sat morning. If there is solid forensic evidence that she did not, then that's all that really matters.

[fran]

During the Laci Peterson investigation, MPD immediately knew, (within the first minutes inside the residence), that they were facing more than a 'missing person's case.' (MPD detectives were called immediately, when normally they wait 72 hours)

Did your 'first responders' get that vibe with this case? IF so, what led them to believe this was 'more than a missing person?'

I'd like to know where or what the undisclosed SW was for?

I'd also like to know the results of all forensic testing?

Were you able to determine IF either of the vehicles at the residence had been recently cleaned (ie, that day?)?

JMHO
fran

[perkiomen]

Hello! This is my first post on this site and I want to tell you all how impressed I am with your sleuthing skills, reasoning and insights. This is the first case that has really caught my attention since the Michael Peterson case (the owl did it, ha!) which I followed very closely.

I, too, find myself reserving judgment on BC at this point. I have read the affidavits and the various articles about this case and, of course, the wonderful posters on this board. I am the first to admit that I am one to convict (in my mind) the spouse when I hear about these kinds of murder cases. (My friends tell me that they would not want me as a juror if they were ever on trial!) So I am surprised at myself that I am not as quick to jump on "BC did it" wagon at this time.

I anxiously await the ME report and hope a fairly accurate TOD (considering all the variables) can be made. If TOD shows prior to 7 am or forensics show the murder happened in the home, that will cinch the deal for me.

I pray for Nancy's children and family. Children should never have to lose their precious mothers this way.

...Back to lurking mode...:chicken:

[SleuthSayer]

Yeah, that is a puzzler. If I was guilty, there's no way I would write out all that stuff (even if attorney didn't stop me)... it just gives too much info over to the prosecution.

My guess would be that any of the items in his affidavits that are relevant to the criminal investigation, he'd already told the police anyway. I.e., his side of the story of where he was that night and morning, etc. He was supposedly cooperative and answered questions for police early on, so i would assume that he would have put the same version of the story that he gave them in the affidavits. The lawyers would have cautioned him to do that.

I would also assume that his lawyers would have gone through his affidavits line by line with him and said things like "This item or that item can be proved or disproved with this or that kind of record. Are you sure that you want to say that or should we take it out?" So, for whatever info is in there and is verifiable one way or the other, the lawyers at least think that there would be supporting evidence for it.

(All this of course assumes that the lawyers aren't completely incompetent.)

[reddress58]

Welcome aboard, Perk! :newbie:

Always nice to have a variety of opinions. If you are usually quick to suspect the spouse, I'm curious to know what your sticking point is/are in this case. Care to elaborate?

[perkiomen]

Welcome aboard, Perk! :newbie:

Always nice to have a variety of opinions. If you are usually quick to suspect the spouse, I'm curious to know what your sticking point is/are in this case. Care to elaborate?


Thanks for the welcome, reddress58!

I guess the sticking point for me is that I just haven't had the big ah ha! moment. You know what I mean? I know that sounds vague but I'm looking for that one fact that indisputably says to me He Did It! I'm just not there yet. To me, there just aren't enough facts to say so.

So, until then, I'll continue to follow this case, educate myself as much as possible, and absorb the terrific insights of the posters on this board both pro and con.

If and when that ah ha! moment comes, I'll be sure to jump back in and let you know what swayed my opinion.

[ncnative]

IS MONDAY actually Nancy Cooper's B.Day? I need to know. THe owner at Java Jive wants to make sure. I'm taking her the things I've put together.

I thought I posted this note earlier today, but can't find it,

Here goes again:

Cork board w/pushpins to put photos that people want to bring. I'll send everything to Nancy's family in Canada afterward.

Two children's drawing pads for them to put one drawing each, and comments on it.

Washable markers. Crayons.

A faux leather (black) sketch book, spiral, for people to write notes or fond memories, or just to sign their name. I also put a card and page in there from WEBSLEUTHS. You can sign it, or the page. I signed as NCNATIVE.

Wreath on small stand.

If it is Nancy's B.Day on Monday, PLEASE TELL ME.

Also, if anyone wants to, I think it would look good with maybe two small shiny pink helium balloons in the shape of hearts, to represent Bella and Katie, but not with their names mentioned.

I will send all the things (except for the wreath) to Nancy's family in Canada after all is done.

The lady who owns JJ is also going to do a special memorial at JJ, once everything is said and done, and we know "who done it".

I do hope it's Nancy's B.Day. If it isn't, I'll save this stuff for the JJ special memorial day later. Sigh.

I am so slow.

The JJ owner is going to look at my things to make sure she wants to have it, then I'll let you guys know.

[mahmoo]

ncnative......according to the memorial page Diana Duncan did.......http://www.imorial.com/NancyCooper/ ......she lists NC's birthday as Aug 25th. I'm not sure if it would be appropriate or not but DD can be private messaged at that site and could probably verify for sure that date. Might also be a good way to let NC's friends know about the wreath, etc. at JJ.

[perkiomen]

NC, I think this is a kind and beautiful gesture...

[momto3kids]

IS MONDAY actually Nancy Cooper's B.Day? I need to know. THe owner at Java Jive wants to make sure. I'm taking her the things I've put together.

I thought I posted this note earlier today, but can't find it,

Here goes again:

Cork board w/pushpins to put photos that people want to bring. I'll send everything to Nancy's family in Canada afterward.

Two children's drawing pads for them to put one drawing each, and comments on it.

Washable markers. Crayons.

A faux leather (black) sketch book, spiral, for people to write notes or fond memories, or just to sign their name. I also put a card and page in there from WEBSLEUTHS. You can sign it, or the page. I signed as NCNATIVE.

Wreath on small stand.

If it is Nancy's B.Day on Monday, PLEASE TELL ME.

Also, if anyone wants to, I think it would look good with maybe two small shiny pink helium balloons in the shape of hearts, to represent Bella and Katie, but not with their names mentioned.

I will send all the things (except for the wreath) to Nancy's family in Canada after all is done.

The lady who owns JJ is also going to do a special memorial at JJ, once everything is said and done, and we know "who done it".

I do hope it's Nancy's B.Day. If it isn't, I'll save this stuff for the JJ special memorial day later. Sigh.

I am so slow.

The JJ owner is going to look at my things to make sure she wants to have it, then I'll let you guys know.


Yes it is.

[momto3kids]

NCN...

I am thinking if would you ask the owner if she would accept cards from others who do not live here?
I imagine others would love to feel a part of this and can't because of their location.
If the owner will give you the address of JJ this will keep everyone who is on here private without their address being exposed.

[ncnative]

Thanks so much, Mahmoo, and perkiomen.

[Zoe]

This is an easy one for me:

- Is there irrefutable forensic evidence that the murder was committed in the Cooper home?

To me, that's the one that really matters. There are those here who seem to believe that the answer to this is "yes". If it is, then that's all that really matters to me. All of the speculation about grocery store trips and swiping membership cards or not at Lifetime Fitness and he said / she said affidavits becomes irrelevant.

Brad claims that she left the home alive on Sat morning. If there is solid forensic evidence that she did not, then that's all that really matters.

that's what i want to know as well.

[SleuthyGal]

I hate to keep using the Laci case as an example, but there wasn't evidence that definitely put the murder scene IN the house. To this day they don't know exactly where her murder took place, whether in the house or out by the pool, or in the pool or...? And in the end that wasn't necessary for a conviction.

My one question would be of LE: is there ANY physical/forensic evidence anywhere that links the perp to his victim and the murder?

[jmflu]

It would be so wonderful for Bella & Katie if Brad did turn out to be innocent. However, if he is guilty he certainly needs to be tried and convicted and pay for the crime. What a tragedy if it turns out that those sweet little girls' own father is the one who selfishly took the single most important person in their world mercilessly away from them.

Can I ask who you'd like to see Brad sue? The grieving parents of a viciously murdered daughter who are trying to protect their granddaughters very lives? I mean sure, Brad is innocent until proven guilty but do you think the Rentz family is willing to gamble the safety of Bella & Katie just to prove that point? Would you?

Who's next? The CPD? Jessica Adam? The media?

Your comment really seems to be one of spite and stubbornness with little regard for seeking the truth or what is best for two innocent little girls.

Brad's a big boy, he's a big enough boy to have taken it upon himself to defame his dead wife who is, sadly, no longer here to defend herself. He besmirched Nancy's reputation unnecessarily in affidavits in which he was supposed to be addressing his fitness as a father. And he broke their marriage vows by having an adulterous affair. Now remind me again, who has defamed who???

Hear, hear!

[jmflu]

Two things:

Going by the obvious is a cop-out. If LE always followed the obvious without following the evidence, there would be many more innocents charged/convicted than there already are. Nifong went with the obvious instead of the evidence and look where it got him.
Saying that we are waiting for the evidence and not willing to convict on hearsay, speculation, rumors, emotion, and opinion is not calling NC guilty or deserving of her murder. You are putting words in people's mouths here just as you do on the GOLO board.


When the evidence proves to me beyond a reasonable doubt that BC did it, I'll vote to convict.

Nifong didn't go with the obvious, he outright lied.
And I never said anyone said NC was deserving of her murder.
Who's putting words in someone's mouth here?!

[jmflu]

OH MY! LIONS AND TIGERS! JMFLU has migrated here! Welcome!

Thank you for proving my viewpoint! I'll digress from rebutting "you should, you this, and you that...."

Folks on this thread are entitled to express their views, postulations, I just don't have to agree with it and you don't have to agree with mine. That doesn't make me or the others I disagree with "bad folks."

Heck, I was hoping to get a PM about the "secret meeting" last weekend.

Actually, I was invited here... and the majority of people on GOLO are simply spouting spiteful, unnecessary, hateful, uninformed garbage.

I was so hoping to get away from it here!!!

[jmflu]

Jumpstreet---

TOD.

Regarding rumor/innuendo stuff I'd rather not be associated with that on a public thread, because there is always a chance it may not be 100% accurate.

I do know someone, who knows someone who is associated with LE at the discovery site. I have been told about Mrs. Cooper's physical condition when found, I will not say anything about it publicly until the autopsy is revealed.

But then, wouldn't this be considered a rumor? Since you didn't see it with your own eyes? Or just a case of, I believe my sources, but put no credence in any of yours?

[perkiomen]

I hate to keep using the Laci case as an example, but there wasn't evidence that definitely put the murder scene IN the house. To this day they don't know exactly where her murder took place, whether in the house or out by the pool, or in the pool or...? And in the end that wasn't necessary for a conviction.

My one question would be of LE: is there ANY physical/forensic evidence anywhere that links the perp to his victim and the murder?

That would be the $6M question, wouldn't it?

I do think if forensics show the killing happened in the home, that would shoot BC's story right out of the water.

[IMHO63]

I was just doing my weekly grocery shopping at HT at Crescent Commons and you will never guess who I saw grocery shopping with (my best guess) his mom? Threw me for a loop, I am I sure I forgot a few items that I actually need.

[SleuthyGal]

I was just doing my weekly grocery shopping at HT at Crescent Commons and you will never guess who I saw grocery shopping with (my best guess) his mom? Threw me for a loop, I am I sure I forgot a few items that I actually need.

How wonderful for him that he has HIS Mommy in his time of need. Too bad his daughters will never again have THEIR mommy in their life again. Ever. :mad:

[SleuthSayer]

I hate to keep using the Laci case as an example,


Actually, this may have set a record for the longest a thread has gone without a Peterson mention. ;-)

but there wasn't evidence that definitely put the murder scene IN the house. To this day they don't know exactly where her murder took place, whether in the house or out by the pool, or in the pool or...? And in the end that wasn't necessary for a conviction.


Understood, and there may not be such evidence in this case either. However, my point was that a few days ago, I posted here that my guess is that the police were not sure that the crime scene was the home and that she never went out running since they were passing out flyers a couple of weeks later describing her in running clothes and her usual running route.

There were several folks who strongly disagreed with the idea that the police weren't sure that she never went running. If you believe that, nothing else seems particularly important to me. If they have irrefutable evidence that she was killed at home, then it's Game Over.

[IMHO63]

How wonderful for him that he has HIS Mommy in his time of need. Too bad his daughters will never again have THEIR mommy in their life again. Ever. :mad:

I told my husband it was very unnerving to see him and to think about what he may have done. I also wondered what he was feeling see parents with their little children. He is much taller than I had pictured.

[SleuthyGal]

I told my husband it was very unnerving to see him and to think about what he may have done. I also wondered what he was feeling see parents with their little children. He is much taller than I had pictured.

To me he looks like he's over 6'2"...maybe as tall as 6'4". When I saw the pic of him with Nancy and the kids, and knowing that she's 5'9" then yes, he looks really tall.

I doubt he thinks anything of seeing other people w/their kids. Remember this guy is used to doing his own thing in his free time...mostly training for his Ironman stuff and, before he finished the MBA program, doing schoolwork and school projects. Now he's just a single guy...not so carefree though.

[perkiomen]

I was just doing my weekly grocery shopping at HT at Crescent Commons and you will never guess who I saw grocery shopping with (my best guess) his mom? Threw me for a loop, I am I sure I forgot a few items that I actually need.

Did he buy any detergent?

[jmflu]

I told my husband it was very unnerving to see him and to think about what he may have done. I also wondered what he was feeling see parents with their little children. He is much taller than I had pictured.

Oh, I was thinking you said you only saw his mom... you saw them both?

[IMHO63]

Did he buy any detergent?

I know he did buy some fruits and vegetables, I should have looked for detergent.

[IMHO63]

Oh, I was thinking you said you only saw his mom... you saw them both?

Yes, I believe from her age it was his mom with him. I guess he is back living in his house.

[SleuthyGal]

How interesting that he needs/wants mom to go grocery shopping w/him. Would that be at all because he's not used to doing that by himself? Hmmmm? I guess if you just need him to run to the store for laundry detergent then he's your man. Though I'd figure he'd continue his early grocery shopping trips since, ya know, that must be his pattern for shopping, right? :innocent:

[ncnative]

**JAVA JIVE ALERT**

OK. I am going to finish decorating JJ in the early morning. I only took a few things today (a huge mylar helium filled balloon, Happy Birthday, heart shaped with projecting stars on the outer edges; it's really big! It's in front of the fireplace. )

I am taking a tiny table with a b lack short cover, for the book that people will sign.
I'm covering the hearth with black fabric. There is a wreath (perched precariously until I get back tomorrow to decorate), I have the paper for the kids to draw on, BUT the owner says that some moms occasionally lose track of their little ones, so she doesn't want markers and crayons going on the walls and furniture! (I got washable markers).

So, maybe we'll get her to give children the paper to take home, draw a happy picture on, write a little description on it (or get mom to), and bring it back to JJ. This would probably be best, since there are no places for lots of children, except outside.

I have a tulle swag I will use on the fireplace area, with clear white bridal lights, a silk and organza rose flower (bridal) "long thing" that will entwine with the swag and lights. I can't think of the word!! Then, I have silk white roses to put in each corner of the swag.

HERE"S WHAT WE NEED:

Owner would like someone to bring a framed 5x7 inch (total size, framed) photo of Nancy. I'll place this in one of the niches on the fireplace where she currently has stone s