Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #22

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[raisincharlie]

Jumpstreet - murder is nonsensical in and of itself. Murderers are nonsensical as well.

Refering back - I have no idea what LE knew or what they were thinking. The response to a reporter concerning a POI or suspect could have and probably should have been that they were treating it as a missing persons case - end of sentence. Regardless of what they may have thought they still had a duty to search for Nancy until the search was exhausted.

LE typically talks about suspects or POIs when dealing with a missing persons case that involves a KNOWN abduction. If that is known - they will issue a description of the POI if they have a witness or something to point to the person. If a vehicle has been used - if LE has information they do issue a description of the vehicle if they have it.

I find it odd they were even responding to the issue of a POI or suspect since Nancy was not reported to have been abducted. Odd wording perhaps, definitely odd to me.

[momto3kids]

RC...did you see where I posted the chiefs response when asked about BC looking for NC when she didn't come back for jogging? Interesting I thought. I had not heard that until today.

[raisincharlie]

RC...did you see where I posted the chiefs response when asked about BC looking for NC when she didn't come back for jogging? Interesting I thought. I had not heard that until today.

I did but my interprestation of that is different to yours. To me she never responded to the actual question which was - was Brad out looking for Nancy when the 911 call came in.

It does not surprise me that during the first few hours/first day of a response such as this that LE would tell Brad to stay home and out of the way basically, and in the event Nancy called. Not surprised by that, seen it happen many times.

[Roy23]

I really look forward to finding out how real some of this inside information that we have seen here is factual. Maybe LE will make a move soon and we will find out.

[momto3kids]

I did but my interprestation of that is different to yours. To me she never responded to the actual question which was - was Brad out looking for Nancy when the 911 call came in.

It does not surprise me that during the first few hours/first day of a response such as this that LE would tell Brad to stay home and out of the way basically, and in the event Nancy called. Not surprised by that, seen it happen many times.

You're thinking even after she repeated the question she answered it not regarding Saturday before the LE arrived and the answer to mean Sunday?

If that is the case IMO she did it so she wouldn't say NO BC did not look for his wife. Otherwise why would she not answer the direct question?

[jmflu]

Roy, if you have the time to go back through the threads, this is a fascinating discussion the group members have been having. Several people live here in Cary, and some, right on BC's street. Some actually assisted in the search, talked to BC, saw things, heard things. You'll find from the discussion that folks are tossing around ideas more than hearsay. I believe Mom has her eye right on BC, knows more than she can tell us, and that we will find what she says to be extremely accurate, hopefully soon.

[raisincharlie]

You're thinking even after she repeated the question she answered it not regarding Saturday before the LE arrived and the answer to mean Sunday?

If that is the case IMO she did it so she wouldn't say NO BC did not look for his wife. Otherwise why would she not answer the direct question?

Let me listen once again - this came from the 14 July 6:30 presser correct - or did you hear it at a different presser? Lets make sure we are talking the same presser first - K ?

[momto3kids]

I really look forward to finding out how real some of this inside information that we have seen here is factual. Maybe LE will make a move soon and we will find out.

You can count of much of what I said. I have stated before if I didn't believe it myself I wouldn't have posted it.

Fact....BC wore a particular cap, North Face jacket, shorts on Monday the 14th, and has a medium size tattoo right above his ankle.

Fact...He went to HT as I posted and admitted most of what I put out there, with him not yet admitting a 4:20 trip. I said milk at 6, I said detergent..

Fact...He did have a missing or broken bolt on his license tag.

I really encourage you to listen and watch the chief when asked about the trip to HT @ 4am. Actions speak louder than words in this, her actions spoke volumes IMO.

LTF and his BMW will be 2 things that I am certain will come out.

[Roy23]

Roy, if you have the time to go back through the threads, this is a fascinating discussion the group members have been having. Several people live here in Cary, and some, right on BC's street. Some actually assisted in the search, talked to BC, saw things, heard things. You'll find from the discussion that folks are tossing around ideas more than hearsay. I believe Mom has her eye right on BC, knows more than she can tell us, and that we will find what she says to be extremely accurate, hopefully soon.



I have read all of it. Because I say that doesn't mean that I think none of it is true. But I don't know people personally that post on this thread. So in a nutshell, I am not going to just believe that every insider has posted 100% factual information until I read a SW. I do not discredit Mom at all but it is hearsay until LE confirms it. At least that is way I have to look at it.

[momto3kids]

Let me listen once again - this came from the 14 July 6:30 presser correct - or did you hear it at a different presser? Lets make sure we are talking the same presser first - K ?

15th...when she announced it was confirmed to be NC.

I posted it exactly how the question was asked, how she repeated it, and her response. It took me 30 minutes to put it exactly correct on here...Thread #21 last page I posted it before we got moved to this thread.

[raisincharlie]

15th...when she announced it was confirmed to be NC.

I posted it exactly how the question was asked, how she repeated it, and her response. It took me 30 minutes to put it exactly correct on here...Thread #21 last page I posted it before we got moved to this thread.

Okay will listen to that one - I was listening to the 14th.

[jmflu]

Want to meet up with all of us in the area and do the same thing they've done twice... go by the places of interest, get together to discuss the case?

[Roy23]

Want to meet up with all of us in the area and do the same thing they've done twice... go by the places of interest, get together to discuss the case?


I would love to but unfortunately I live in Atlanta and have a 7 month old son. Otherwise, I would be there to visit with all of you.

[Roy23]

You can count of much of what I said. I have stated before if I didn't believe it myself I wouldn't have posted it.

Fact....BC wore a particular cap, North Face jacket, shorts on Monday the 14th, and has a medium size tattoo right above his ankle.

Fact...He went to HT as I posted and admitted most of what I put out there, with him not yet admitting a 4:20 trip. I said milk at 6, I said detergent..

Fact...He did have a missing or broken bolt on his license tag.

I really encourage you to listen and watch the chief when asked about the trip to HT @ 4am. Actions speak louder than words in this, her actions spoke volumes IMO.

LTF and his BMW will be 2 things that I am certain will come out.



Because you have said all this, I am really anxious to see LE confirm all that you have said. Don't take it personal, but I can't accept everything as accurate until confirmed. I always look forward to your insights due to your being right there. I hope you understand.

[reddress58]

You can count of much of what I said. I have stated before if I didn't believe it myself I wouldn't have posted it.

Fact....BC wore a particular cap, North Face jacket, shorts on Monday the 14th, and has a medium size tattoo right above his ankle.

Fact...He went to HT as I posted and admitted most of what I put out there, with him not yet admitting a 4:20 trip. I said milk at 6, I said detergent..

Fact...He did have a missing or broken bolt on his license tag.

I really encourage you to listen and watch the chief when asked about the trip to HT @ 4am. Actions speak louder than words in this, her actions spoke volumes IMO.

LTF and his BMW will be 2 things that I am certain will come out.
Mom, I've looked all through last Sunday's posts and can't find where you talked about BC swiping his card and asking for Nancy's to be swiped. Can you be more specific? I'd like to read that post. Thanks

[jmflu]

Does anyone know what's going on with the wreath?? Has it been made? Put out?

[Skittles]

I did but my interprestation of that is different to yours. To me she never responded to the actual question which was - was Brad out looking for Nancy when the 911 call came in.

It does not surprise me that during the first few hours/first day of a response such as this that LE would tell Brad to stay home and out of the way basically, and in the event Nancy called. Not surprised by that, seen it happen many times.

That's how I interpreted it, too.

[Skittles]

You're thinking even after she repeated the question she answered it not regarding Saturday before the LE arrived and the answer to mean Sunday?

If that is the case IMO she did it so she wouldn't say NO BC did not look for his wife. Otherwise why would she not answer the direct question?

I think that is what the chief was doing.

[SleuthyGal]

I too heard the Chief in that presser on the 15th answer a different question than what may have been asked. Actually, as she repeated back the question each reporter would ask, I noticed she sometimes got the question wrong--whether this was on purpose or not I don't know, but I *did* notice it as she was repeating them. She got at least 5 - 8 questions wrong, in that she got words mixed up or skipped some words and the meaning of what was asked was changed a bit as a result. I think perhaps she was exhausted and also maybe a bit nervous, facing all that media at once.

The question she answered (which wasn't exactly the one asked) had to do with Brad 'joining in' search efforts (which I took to mean organized searches, not searches he may have taken on his own). When she said "not right away initially," I assumed she was referring to organized searches). That wasn't quite the question asked and I suspect the reporter wanted to know about Brad's activities on Saturday, but said reporter didn't word it precisely and also didn't follow up to clarify the question s/he really was asking, after Chief Bazemore answered the first time.

[momto3kids]

I have read all of it. Because I say that doesn't mean that I think none of it is true. But I don't know people personally that post on this thread. So in a nutshell, I am not going to just believe that every insider has posted 100% factual information until I read a SW. I do not discredit Mom at all but it is hearsay until LE confirms it. At least that is way I have to look at it.

Roy....I won't give my sources to risk anyone losing their job over this XXXX, because he's not worth it. I live dead center between all the places spoken about and lived here many years. My husband and my combined time living here is 53 years.

No one needs to believe me 100% because no one on here knows who I am. I assure you what I posted is because I believe it and the person who told it.

Are there things I'm not sure about? yes, and I didn't post it.
Are there things I will not indulge in on here? Yes

[sunflowers]

Mom, I've looked all through last Sunday's posts and can't find where you talked about BC swiping his card and asking for Nancy's to be swiped. Can you be more specific? I'd like to read that post. Thanks

read post #361 & #365 on page 15 of the previous thread

[momto3kids]

Because you have said all this, I am really anxious to see LE confirm all that you have said. Don't take it personal, but I can't accept everything as accurate until confirmed. I always look forward to your insights due to your being right there. I hope you understand.

I guess I have lying eyes then and my children lie too?

You think the LE is going to say BC wore this on the 14th during the search, why would they? The tatoo can be described...
3 of us saw the missing bolt ourselves, why would the LE confirm a missing bolt seen on the 27th? They already did their search.
HT BC put in his affidavit, the rest is on a conference call from a reporter in Canada. Watch and listen to the chief when the 4am trip is asked about.

[carolinalady]

MT3K, is the broken/missing bolt issue something of LE concern or are you talking about you noticing it? IIRC, you noticed it following the SWs being served on the house/cars/BC's DNA. Is this something that you've heard was an issue FOUND during the search? I'm asking b/c I'm wondering if the missing bolt could be DUE to LE search (they removed/loosened plate to retrieve or look for evidence).

[momto3kids]

Mom, I've looked all through last Sunday's posts and can't find where you talked about BC swiping his card and asking for Nancy's to be swiped. Can you be more specific? I'd like to read that post. Thanks

I have to run...I am 15 minutes late for an appointment. Skittles was in on the conversation with me and RC...maybe they can direct you to the discussion...I thought it was Sunday morning we had it..

I will be back in a few hours if you can't locate it.

[jmflu]

Things you won't indulge in on here? Like rumors?

Or did you mean things you won't "divulge" on here because it might risk LE's case?

[Roy23]

Roy....I won't give my sources to risk anyone losing their job over this XXXX, because he's not worth it. I live dead center between all the places spoken about and lived here many years. My husband and my combined time living here is 53 years.

No one needs to believe me 100% because no one on here knows who I am. I assure you what I posted is because I believe it and the person who told it.

Are there things I'm not sure about? yes, and I didn't post it.
Are there things I will not indulge in on here? Yes



Good. So you and I are cool.:crazy:

I don't think you should give your sources either. LE will spill it all soon. For me, it still goes back to the chief saying this is neither an "isolated" or "random" act of violence. That is the only thing that I have ever been able to read her on.

[raisincharlie]

I think we should take a poll as to what was asked and what was answered in the 15 July presser.

My opinion -listening to the reporter's question only - the reporter asks if Brad Cooper was out actively searching for his wife when she was reported missing ( 2:51 pm on 12 July).

The response I hear - never answers that very specific time frame - instead what I hear is Chief Bazemore says that Brad did not participate in organized searches in the beginning but he did participate later.

Link:

http://www.wral.com/news/video/3211708/

The question is asked at 8:32 into this presser. See what you all think.



Mt3K - while listening again to the 14th 6:30 presser I noted at 2:36 into the conference that Chief Bazemore confirms that Brad allowed LE into the house and into BOTH cars the afternoon of 12 July.

So LE did look inside both vehicles the day Nancy went missing.

[SleuthyGal]

I think the key word in there is "actively." And who can say how 'actively' he was looking when (IMHO) he already knew right where she was. And, since there were no witnesses to Brad's 'search activities' on Sat (aside from any LTF front desk employees and maybe a few customers there) the chief couldn't very well answer a question about what he was doing on the 12th, before LE got to his house.

[raisincharlie]

I think the key word in there is "actively." And who can say how 'actively' he was looking when (IMHO) he already knew right where she was.

I quess that's my point - the Chief does not address that issue period. Dances all the way around it actually. Don't know what that means but she did not answer the actual question, maybe understandably so.

[SleuthyGal]

I quess that's my point - the Chief does not address that issue period. Dances all the way around it actually. Don't know what that means but she did not answer the actual question, maybe understandably so.

I'd say it means she's taken some tap dancing classes and got pretty got at it! :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

I'd say it means she's taken some tap dancing classes and got pretty got at it! :crazy:

Pretty good - yes, and an old ploy when you just don't want to raise suspicion or answer the question.

[SleuthyGal]

Indeed! Must have taken some tight rope walking classes in there somewhere too! :wink:

So Raisin, what do you think they need in order to do an arrest? And how 'much' of it do they need (given the DA's penchance of waiting and waiting)?

[jmflu]

The wreath... the wreath... has anybody seen the WREATH...

(Said to the tune of Led Zepplin's "...Has anybody seen the BRIDGE")

[raisincharlie]

Indeed! Must have taken some tight rope walking classes in there somewhere too! :wink:

So Raisin, what do you think they need in order to do an arrest? And how 'much' of it do they need (given the DA's penchance of waiting and waiting)?

No clue what they have, what they are waiting for, and given the fact that Willoughby will only venture to a courtroom when he believes he has a slam dunk - it could be a while.

What I have seen in the Young case, the recent unsealed warrants seem to show a fairly strong case of who dunit but Willoughby has done nothing yet and he had this information before February of this year and it will soon be 22 months since Michelle's murder.

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Roy23]

I guess I have lying eyes then and my children lie too?

You think the LE is going to say BC wore this on the 14th during the search, why would they? The tatoo can be described...
3 of us saw the missing bolt ourselves, why would the LE confirm a missing bolt seen on the 27th? They already did their search.
HT BC put in his affidavit, the rest is on a conference call from a reporter in Canada. Watch and listen to the chief when the 4am trip is asked about.

Actually, I don't care what he was wearing. The only inside information that I see any relevance in is the time of the HT trip which you have inside info on and the LTF card. None of which is substantiated yet by police. I am not calling you or your children a liar. It will be a fact to me when the police comment about it.

[Roy23]

I think we should take a poll as to what was asked and what was answered in the 15 July presser.

My opinion -listening to the reporter's question only - the reporter asks if Brad Cooper was out actively searching for his wife when she was reported missing ( 2:51 pm on 12 July).

The response I hear - never answers that very specific time frame - instead what I hear is Chief Bazemore says that Brad did not participate in organized searches in the beginning but he did participate later.

Link:

http://www.wral.com/news/video/3211708/

The question is asked at 8:32 into this presser. See what you all think.



Mt3K - while listening again to the 14th 6:30 presser I noted at 2:36 into the conference that Chief Bazemore confirms that Brad allowed LE into the house and into BOTH cars the afternoon of 12 July.

So LE did look inside both vehicles the day Nancy went missing.



He was cooperating as LE has said since day 1.

[raisincharlie]

He was cooperating as LE has said since day 1.

Lots of folks do, no doubt about it. David Speers even went so far as to tell LE about a sink hole, which happened to be the sink hole he dumped his step daughter into after he and his buddy savagely raped her and murdered her. He was cooperative as well and is now facing a DP trial.

[Roy23]

Lots of folks do, no doubt about it. David Speers even went so far as to tell LE about a sink hole, which happened to be the sink hole he dumped his step daughter into after he and his buddy savagely raped her and murdered her. He was cooperative as well and is now facing a DP trial.



I totally agree.

[Roy23]

No clue what they have, what they are waiting for, and given the fact that Willoughby will only venture to a courtroom when he believes he has a slam dunk - it could be a while.

What I have seen in the Young case, the recent unsealed warrants seem to show a fairly strong case of who dunit but Willoughby has done nothing yet and he had this information before February of this year and it will soon be 22 months since Michelle's murder.

Your guess is as good as mine.



Yep. There seems to be a trend by LE, at least in North Carolina, to not try cases in the media. I have no doubt that they are trying to tie up every loose end before they lay their cards on the table.

[maconrich]

Actually, I don't care what he was wearing. The only inside information that I see any relevance in is the time of the HT trip which you have inside info on and the LTF card. None of which is substantiated yet by police. I am not calling you or your children a liar. It will be a fact to me when the police comment about it.

Personally I'm storing that info away just in case something comes out that relates to it (what he was wearing that is). ;)

[raisincharlie]

Yep. There seems to be a trend by LE, at least in North Carolina, to not try cases in the media. I have no doubt that they are trying to tie up every loose end before they lay their cards on the table.

I think Chief Bazemore did a very good job of handling this situation. I believe the press gave out more information than she did, and considering the press was on the ground and in the middle of it talking to neighbors and whoever, they were certainly asking questions related to what they were hearing from the neighborhood. The Chief did a good job indeed of getting around it.

[Roy23]

Personally I'm storing that info away just in case something comes out that relates to it (what he was wearing that is). ;)


If I find out he was searching for his wife with bloody clothes I will be furious that I let this case intrigue me at all. :furious:

[maconrich]

If I find out he was searching for his wife with bloody clothes I will be furious that I let this case intrigue me at all. :furious:

That just made my stomach flip :( I'm thinking more of maybe some video that may come out of him shopping or something.

[maconrich]

I think we should take a poll as to what was asked and what was answered in the 15 July presser.

My opinion -listening to the reporter's question only - the reporter asks if Brad Cooper was out actively searching for his wife when she was reported missing ( 2:51 pm on 12 July).

The response I hear - never answers that very specific time frame - instead what I hear is Chief Bazemore says that Brad did not participate in organized searches in the beginning but he did participate later.

Link:

http://www.wral.com/news/video/3211708/

The question is asked at 8:32 into this presser. See what you all think.



Mt3K - while listening again to the 14th 6:30 presser I noted at 2:36 into the conference that Chief Bazemore confirms that Brad allowed LE into the house and into BOTH cars the afternoon of 12 July.

So LE did look inside both vehicles the day Nancy went missing.

That's how I take it, and agree the Chief has done a good job with her answers (including some dancing). BTW I've searched high and low without finding the video that shows LE looking in the garbage can to see if it shows the side door; so I'm glad someone is going to drive by and look!

[raisincharlie]

That's how I take it, and agree the Chief has done a good job with her answers (including some dancing). BTW I've searched high and low without finding the video that shows LE looking in the garbage can to see if it shows the side door; so I'm glad someone is going to drive by and look!

I think the trash can shot was a still IIRC - I'm thinking the N &O shots.

[Roy23]

That just made my stomach flip :( I'm thinking more of maybe some video that may come out of him shopping or something.

That all goes back to LE not confirming that he was shopping at 4:20. I will care about clothes when they at least suggest that this trip happened. I don't doubt that MOM trusts whomever she heard this information from or that she saw Brad with a certain set of clothes. I want LE to confirm it all.

Last Friday on CNN, I am watching a news conference on the discovery of Bigfoot (Sasquatch). They had DNA, photos, and the works. For whatever reason, I wanted to get some conformation from more recognizable scientists and reputable personel before actually believing this amazing discovery. Good thing, huh?

[maconrich]

I think the trash can shot was a still IIRC - I'm thinking the N &O shots.

TY that is exactly where it was http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1144014.html

-- but it doesn't show the side of the house :banghead:

[raisincharlie]

TY that is exactly where it was http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1144014.html

-- but it doesn't show the side of the house :banghead:

Must of been low man on the chain got that job...:crazy:

[jumpstreet]

Last Friday on CNN, I am watching a news conference on the discovery of Bigfoot (Sasquatch). They had DNA, photos, and the works. For whatever reason, I wanted to get some conformation from more recognizable scientists and reputable personel before actually believing this amazing discovery. Good thing, huh?

So Roy, are you saying that since we now know that Bigfoot is still at large (and not frozen in that block of ice), that perhaps BF had something to do with NC's murder? {Sorry... couldn't resist} If so, I can add this one as Theory E, but it would be even more "out there" than Theory D (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171). :)

[Daphne69]

TY that is exactly where it was http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1144014.html

-- but it doesn't show the side of the house :banghead:

Is this what you're looking for, maconrich?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69148&page=27

Post 669.

[maconrich]

Is this what you're looking for, maconrich?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69148&page=27

Post 669.

Yep TY - but can't see the danged door good enuf to know if it's solid or if there's a window. It looks solid but as RC pointed out that bush won't get out of the way to make sure ;)And yep RC, I don't think the garbage digger got the best job of the afternoon!

[Roy23]

So Roy, are you saying that since we now know that Bigfoot is still at large (and not frozen in that block of ice), that perhaps BF had something to do with NC's murder? {Sorry... couldn't resist} If so, I can add this one as Theory E, but it would be even more "out there" than Theory D (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465948&postcount=171). :)


hahaha. No I gotta go with A. I kind of agree with RC in that I think the Chief has done a fabulous job. I don't think she has given anything away except for that one little thing at the beginning. She comforted the public by saying this crime was not "isolated nor random".

There really is only one way to interpret that.

[reddress58]

Back to the LTF subject: if BC wasn't successful having NC's card scanned after having his own card scanned (as reported in an earlier post), did he still enter the club? Some have suggested he spent a good deal of the two plus hours at LTF. Yet, others think he never went past the main lobby. If he didn't go in, what did he do for the rest of that time? There is a reason I'm asking this, but first I would like some clarification of the general consensus that may have been established on WS... since I've been out of the loop for awhile. .

[SleuthyGal]

There is a reason I'm asking this, but first I would like some clarification of the general consensus that may have been established on WS

On the issue of whether he went in past the front desk and if so, how long did he stay there, no consensus has been reached on the board. We know he was gone from home for 2.5 hrs and had both girls. We don't know where all he went. Carwash is one speculation, in addition of course to LTF.

[FlowerChild]

As to the LTF cards issue.

LTF, like many places, has been sued for revealing information to the wrong person - like the spouse/SO/Family Member of clients. I KNOW from working with hotels and gyms, that company policies say you do not give out a members info to ANYONE, no matter what they say - basically it takes a WARRANT to compel them to give out membership/guest info to ANYONE but the member him/herself. This is what may have happened...

Brad went in looking for Nancy and asked if she had been in that day
The Front Desk Person said, "I can't give you that information sir"
Brad gave them his card, said I am a member here, we have a "family membership, I am her husband (see here's my card)
The Front Desk Person may have scanned his card to pull up his info and make a note and then repeated "I am sorry sir, I understand it is a joint membership, but per company policy I cannot give you that information - maybe you should just go in and look around and see if she is here"
IF Brad had Nancy's card (or A CARD - maybe she had two, or he had an old card) he said, here, I have her card, she has not come home, and my kids are waiting in the car - can't you just scan it and let me know if she is here or has been in today?
And The Front Desk Person hands him back the card(s) and says, "I am sorry Mr Cooper, I sympathize, but that is private information and LTF company policies say I cannot give it out to ANYONE, even you"

I think it's possible that too much is being read into what basically was a MAYBE 2 minute exchange. I don't believe BC was so calm, cool and collected as to sit down 4 hours after murdering his wife in cold blood and figure out a way to make it LOOK like Nancy was at LTF when she wasn't. BC is smart, but he's a nerd, not socially outgoing and not very "people savvy" and this does not fit with the other "profile" information we have gotten from his prior behaviors and the behaviors and activity of that day. I think BC DID go to LTF, I just don't believe he was "trying to get Nancy's card scanned" - that is so transparent even Bella would have seen thru it and he had to know that. He either presented HIS card and asked about Nancy, or presented her card and asked about Nancy. He was standing at the front desk with people and a half-dozen cameras - he wouldn't have tried to "fool" anyone - especially if he KNEW Nancy was dead and LE would dissect every step and every breath he took that day.

If you believe BC killed Nancy you have to look at EVERYTHING BC said and did that day thru the lens of someone who ALREADY KNEW NANCY WASN'T COMING HOME. He would have KNOWN he would be the main suspect. He would have KNOWN that Nancy was only a short distance from home in a populated area and WOULD BE FOUND. He let LE into his house, he let them search the cars, he told them what he had done that day and when. He openly told them he went to HT and LTF. He opened the door for them to question the staff at HT and LTF (remember he knows he killed Nancy) - if he was trying to make it look like Nancy was at LTF Sat, why tell LE he went there looking for her? Brad was obviously setting up HT visits as an alibi and LTF as a concerned husband with a missing (remember he knows she is dead) wife.

For me the Limus test for all of the speculation about BC is that he KNEW she was dead and WHERE she was when ALL of these activities and actions and statements happened. He wouldn't have set up LTF as a "Nancy was still alive" Sat afternoon" because he KNEW she wasn't and might be found any minute.

My Opinion

[reddress58]

On the issue of whether he went in past the front desk and if so, how long did he stay there, no consensus has been reached on the board. We know he was gone from home for 2.5 hrs and had both girls. We don't know where all he went. Carwash is one speculation, in addition of course to LTF.
Ok. Thanks, SG. Back to the lockers. Apparently by having her card scanned, he wanted it to appear NC was at the club after she left the house. To support this line of thinking, he also may have planned to leave items in a locker belonging to her to make it further appear she had checked in. This is entirely possible without using a card. Many times members simply put items in a locker without locking them, which requires leaving the card behind. A friend of mine made a habit of this and had an expensive pair of running shoes stolen (yes; in Cary at LTF shock/shock) while he was swimming. You do not need a card to use a locker.

If BC continued into the club after failing to have her card swiped, he still could have left items in a locker in the family dressing room. I have no idea because Momto3 has not told us yet if he left after being refused the card swipe. This could be another reason he had her purse with him in the car. He had planned to leave it in a locker.

[reddress58]

As to the LTF cards issue.

LTF, like many places, has been sued for revealing information to the wrong person - like the spouse/SO/Family Member of clients. I KNOW from working with hotels and gyms, that company policies say you do not give out a members info to ANYONE, no matter what they say - basically it takes a WARRANT to compel them to give out membership/guest info to ANYONE but the member him/herself. This is what may have happened...

Brad went in looking for Nancy and asked if she had been in that day
The Front Desk Person said, "I can't give you that information sir"
Brad gave them his card, said I am a member here, we have a "family membership, I am her husband (see here's my card)
The Front Desk Person may have scanned his card to pull up his info and make a note and then repeated "I am sorry sir, I understand it is a joint membership, but per company policy I cannot give you that information - maybe you should just go in and look around and see if she is here"
IF Brad had Nancy's card (or A CARD - maybe she had two, or he had an old card) he said, here, I have her card, she has not come home, and my kids are waiting in the car - can't you just scan it and let me know if she is here or has been in today?
And The Front Desk Person hands him back the card(s) and says, "I am sorry Mr Cooper, I sympathize, but that is private information and LTF company policies say I cannot give it out to ANYONE, even you"

I think it's possible that too much is being read into what basically was a MAYBE 2 minute exchange. I don't believe BC was so calm, cool and collected as to sit down 4 hours after murdering his wife in cold blood and figure out a way to make it LOOK like Nancy was at LTF when she wasn't. BC is smart, but he's a nerd, not socially outgoing and not very "people savvy" and this does not fit with the other "profile" information we have gotten from his prior behaviors and the behaviors and activity of that day. I think BC DID go to LTF, I just don't believe he was "trying to get Nancy's card scanned" - that is so transparent even Bella would have seen thru it and he had to know that. He either presented HIS card and asked about Nancy, or presented her card and asked about Nancy. He was standing at the front desk with people and a half-dozen cameras - he wouldn't have tried to "fool" anyone - especially if he KNEW Nancy was dead and LE would dissect every step and every breath he took that day.

If you believe BC killed Nancy you have to look at EVERYTHING BC said and did that day thru the lens of someone who ALREADY KNEW NANCY WASN'T COMING HOME. He would have KNOWN he would be the main suspect. He would have KNOWN that Nancy was only a short distance from home in a populated area and WOULD BE FOUND. He let LE into his house, he let them search the cars, he told them what he had done that day and when. He openly told them he went to HT and LTF. He opened the door for them to question the staff at HT and LTF (remember he knows he killed Nancy) - if he was trying to make it look like Nancy was at LTF Sat, why tell LE he went there looking for her? Brad was obviously setting up HT visits as an alibi and LTF as a concerned husband with a missing (remember he knows she is dead) wife.

For me the Limus test for all of the speculation about BC is that he KNEW she was dead and WHERE she was when ALL of these activities and actions and statements happened. He wouldn't have set up LTF as a "Nancy was still alive" Sat afternoon" because he KNEW she wasn't and might be found any minute.

My Opinion
I wish I had read this before I responded because you make a whole lot of sense. I totally agree!!

[SleuthyGal]

For me the Limus test for all of the speculation about BC is that he KNEW she was dead and WHERE she was when ALL of these activities and actions and statements happened. He wouldn't have set up LTF as a "Nancy was still alive" Sat afternoon" because he KNEW she wasn't and might be found any minute.

I think it comes down to what Brad knew and what Brad didn't know as of 1 - 2pm on Sat. 7/12. Brad DID NOT know that JA had called police and reported her friend missing. All Brad knew was that JA was looking for Nancy, he found out they had an appt to paint together, and JA was worried. He told JA he was going out to look for her (this is some 5+ hrs after Nancy 'left to go jogging').

So in Brad's mind, not knowing what else JA did besides call HIM, he believes (and said this later) that he can't report NC missing for 24 hrs. So again, in his mind, he's got time to be out and about doing whatever he was doing for 2.5+ hrs.

He told LE he looked for her at LTF because he was there; he was not expecting LE to be at his house by 3pm that Saturday, asking questions. I believe he switched his story. I think the original plan was to somehow have that LTF system show Nancy as 'being there/card scanned.' I agree it was a stupid plan because of course someone somewhere would have to see that he faked that visit, but who knows WHAT was in his mind. There is no reason for him to

1. Have Nancy's card on him. He had his own. He could go in and look around.

2. Go to LTF first (or even at all). Why? Because obviously Nancy didnt have her card--HE had it! So a trip to LTF was moot. He could have called them instead of strapping the kids into their car seats and going there in person.

If his activities are as mt3k described, then his visit was not really looking for Nancy.

I believe Brad's 6:15am & 6:40am HT visits are to try and cover himself in case someone saw him out driving around EARLIER and also to try and show (through bogus phone calls) that Nancy was alive as late as 7am.

Of course I could be wrong and I eagerly await learning what LE has ascertained in this case...that is if they ever release any info and move this investigation into a more public arena.

[SleuthyGal]

This could be another reason he had her purse with him in the car. He had planned to leave it in a locker.Wait a sec. Which car did he take to LTF. It was his SEDAN, right? But JA said that Nancy's purse was in HER car...the SUV. And LE took Nancy's purse out of the SUV. So Brad didn't have Nancy's purse with him when he went out in his car to LTF--he put her purse in HER car, along with her cell phone.

[reddress58]

Ok. Thanks, SG. Back to the lockers. Apparently by having her card scanned, he wanted it to appear NC was at the club after she left the house. To support this line of thinking, he also may have planned to leave items in a locker belonging to her to make it further appear she had checked in. This is entirely possible without using a card. Many times members simply put items in a locker without locking them, which requires leaving the card behind. A friend of mine made a habit of this and had an expensive pair of running shoes stolen (yes; in Cary at LTF shock/shock) while he was swimming. You do not need a card to use a locker.

If BC continued into the club after failing to have her card swiped, he still could have left items in a locker in the family dressing room. I have no idea because Momto3 has not told us yet if he left after being refused the card swipe. This could be another reason he had her purse with him in the car. He had planned to leave it in a locker.
I have to correct myself. He didn't HAVE her purse with him...just her card because JA somehow knew the purse was in her car, which was parked in the driveway. Brain cobwebs from being away too long. Sorry.

[momto3kids]

rdd58....did you find the conversation you were looking for?

[reddress58]

I sure wish someone would establish a facts timeline like SOMEONE promised us he would. It would help us old folks keep our facts straight.

[reddress58]

rdd58....did you find the conversation you were looking for?
Yes, thank you, Mom. I used to get irritated with folks who popped in on the conversation and we had to repeat ourselves. Now I know how it feels being on the other end. I think I'm caught up.

[momto3kids]

I think it comes down to what Brad knew and what Brad didn't know as of 1 - 2pm on Sat. 7/12. Brad DID NOT know that JA had called police and reported her friend missing. All Brad knew was that JA was looking for Nancy, he found out they had an appt to paint together, and JA was worried. He told JA he was going out to look for her (this is some 5+ hrs after Nancy 'left to go jogging').

So in Brad's mind, not knowing what else JA did besides call HIM, he believes (and said this later) that he can't report NC missing for 24 hrs. So again, in his mind, he's got time to be out and about doing whatever he was doing for 2.5+ hrs.

He told LE he looked for her at LTF because he was there; he was not expecting LE to be at his house by 3pm that Saturday, asking questions. I believe he switched his story. I think the original plan was to somehow have that LTF system show Nancy as 'being there/card scanned.' I agree it was a stupid plan because of course someone somewhere would have to see that he faked that visit, but who knows WHAT was in his mind. There is no reason for him to

1. Have Nancy's card on him. He had his own. He could go in and look around.

2. Go to LTF first (or even at all). Why? Because obviously Nancy didnt have her card--HE had it! So a trip to LTF was moot. He could have called them instead of strapping the kids into their car seats and going there in person.

If his activities are as mt3k described, then his visit was not really looking for Nancy.

I believe Brad's 6:15am & 6:40am HT visits are to try and cover himself in case someone saw him out driving around EARLIER and also to try and show (through bogus phone calls) that Nancy was alive as late as 7am.

Of course I could be wrong and I eagerly await learning what LE has ascertained in this case...that is if they ever release any info and move this investigation into a more public arena.


SG...you have described it well....

[raisincharlie]

I think it comes down to what Brad knew and what Brad didn't know as of 1 - 2pm on Sat. 7/12. Brad DID NOT know that JA had called police and reported her friend missing. All Brad knew was that JA was looking for Nancy, he found out they had an appt to paint together, and JA was worried. He told JA he was going out to look for her (this is some 5+ hrs after Nancy 'left to go jogging').

So in Brad's mind, not knowing what else JA did besides call HIM, he believes (and said this later) that he can't report NC missing for 24 hrs. So again, in his mind, he's got time to be out and about doing whatever he was doing for 2.5+ hrs.

He told LE he looked for her at LTF because he was there; he was not expecting LE to be at his house by 3pm that Saturday, asking questions. I believe he switched his story. I think the original plan was to somehow have that LTF system show Nancy as 'being there/card scanned.' I agree it was a stupid plan because of course someone somewhere would have to see that he faked that visit, but who knows WHAT was in his mind. There is no reason for him to

1. Have Nancy's card on him. He had his own. He could go in and look around.

2. Go to LTF first (or even at all). Why? Because obviously Nancy didnt have her card--HE had it! So a trip to LTF was moot. He could have called them instead of strapping the kids into their car seats and going there in person.

If his activities are as mt3k described, then his visit was not really looking for Nancy.

I believe Brad's 6:15am & 6:40am HT visits are to try and cover himself in case someone saw him out driving around EARLIER and also to try and show (through bogus phone calls) that Nancy was alive as late as 7am.

Of course I could be wrong and I eagerly await learning what LE has ascertained in this case...that is if they ever release any info and move this investigation into a more public arena.

I'm with you. IMO the trip to LTF was all about placing Nancy there-because this meant someone else besides him would have access to her and she disappeared from there. He admits in his affidavit that he thought he could not report Nancy missing for 24 hours. What he did not take into account was JA calling 911 to find out if something could be done. He thought he had time to do something to place Nancy away from him and thus divert suspicion as well.

[momto3kids]

Going back to the purse in the car...and I know RC you are on the same page with me on this....this was my 1st red flag.

I still say he put it there with her cell after he went thru it trying to figure what kind of alibi he could use. The card was there and his lightbulb went off...LTF

I feel he had all intentions of having the SUV parked at LTF once he pulled off the card being swept.

Not going by JJ when he had to sit basically in front of it while waiting for the red light...he mentioned coffee to JA and HP when he spoke to them.

[Skittles]

I feel he had all intentions of having the SUV parked at LTF once he pulled off the card being swept.


He had the girls with him, though. He'd have to take a cab home or carry them.

[SleuthyGal]

On the topic of whether this a planned vs. heat of the moment...

Some of you think he attacked her as she came home from the party, perhaps doing the deed in the garage. That implies planning, at least to some extent.

Others think they got into a fight and he then killed her...not planning it ahead of time.

As I look at his actions as reported by mt3k on Saturday 7/12, it doesn't seem like the murder was planned. If it was, his planning skills totally suck. Someone who planned (as in more than an hour or 2 ahead) to kill their spouse would have acquired basic things to have on-hand like cleaning supplies and already had an alibi figured out (a la Jason Young). Not that he would have had everyone convinced or anything, but the 2 (or possibly 3) trips to HT, the weird LTF membership card shell game, and other things yet to be discovered, do not seem the plan of someone who thought things through very well.

Of course as we all know, JA screwed up his Sat. alibi plan (and thank goodness for that), and Nancy was probably found sooner than she would have, otherwise. And no, he couldn't plan for the JA thing to have happened, but his mistakes are really big/stupid ones, IMHO. Just the fact that he went to HT at ALL that morning was a big mistake.

[Star12]

He had the girls with him, though. He'd have to take a cab home or carry them.

And, of course, there would be that pesky problem of fingerprints.

[momto3kids]

I sure wish someone would establish a facts timeline like SOMEONE promised us he would. It would help us old folks keep our facts straight.

If it is who I am thinking he tried and it got moved, or something occured..I'm not positive what it was. I know Fran did one and has tried to keep it updated.

[FlowerChild]

I think it comes down to what Brad knew and what Brad didn't know as of 1 - 2pm on Sat. 7/12. Brad DID NOT know that JA had called police and reported her friend missing. All Brad knew was that JA was looking for Nancy, he found out they had an appt to paint together, and JA was worried. He told JA he was going out to look for her (this is some 5+ hrs after Nancy 'left to go jogging').

So in Brad's mind, not knowing what else JA did besides call HIM, he believes (and said this later) that he can't report NC missing for 24 hrs. So again, in his mind, he's got time to be out and about doing whatever he was doing for 2.5+ hrs.

He told LE he looked for her at LTF because he was there; he was not expecting LE to be at his house by 3pm that Saturday, asking questions. I believe he switched his story. I think the original plan was to somehow have that LTF system show Nancy as 'being there/card scanned.' I agree it was a stupid plan because of course someone somewhere would have to see that he faked that visit, but who knows WHAT was in his mind. There is no reason for him to

1. Have Nancy's card on him. He had his own. He could go in and look around.

2. Go to LTF first (or even at all). Why? Because obviously Nancy didnt have her card--HE had it! So a trip to LTF was moot. He could have called them instead of strapping the kids into their car seats and going there in person.

If his activities are as mt3k described, then his visit was not really looking for Nancy.

I believe Brad's 6:15am & 6:40am HT visits are to try and cover himself in case someone saw him out driving around EARLIER and also to try and show (through bogus phone calls) that Nancy was alive as late as 7am.

Of course I could be wrong and I eagerly await learning what LE has ascertained in this case...that is if they ever release any info and move this investigation into a more public arena.
If he killed Nancy then BC KNEW Nancy was dead and lying OPENLY on a lot a mile from his house. While he was out driving around somebody COULD HAVE ALREADY FOUND HER BODY. You have to remember BC KNEW SHE WAS DEAD AND WHERE SHE WAS! The 24 hours means NOTHING, she was not buried, not hidden and was left in a populated area (even if it was new lots, there was a ROAD and weekend lot shoppers). Before he left to go to LTF to look for Nancy Brad KNEW she was dead and KNEW her friends were already "looking" for her and there was a possibility she was going to be found at ANY minute - or even that she had already been found and not yet ID'd.

I don't think BC would go to LTF and try some awkward, and frankly STUPID ploy to set up Nancy ALIVE on Sat afternoon when he KNEW she wasn't and that he might arrive home to a phone call or LE at his door.

See, this is why the HT thing and the LTF thing just don't "fit" for me except as alibis for BRAD's time and his driving around and him being a "good husband/father". BC KNEW Nancy was dead and it doesn't matter WHEN she was reported missing --- he KNEW the body was out there to be found at ANY TIME. If BC killed Nancy he dumped her body on the 2nd trip to HT - he could PROVE why he was out driving around on BOTH TRIPS (scouting the location 1st trip, dumping 2nd trip). In case anyone saw him no-one could prove (before he dumped the body) that she wasn't alive. BC KNEW Nancy was dead and that she could be located at ANY TIME - by a jogger, bike rider, a dog walker, someone looking for a lot (on a typically active for "lookers" Saturday morning). The 24 hour thing is throwing everyone off, for BC, it wouldn't MATTER because he KNEW she might be found within MINUTES of him dumping her body, reported missing officially or not. See, BC KNEW he didn't have "24 hours" to prepare because he KNEW Nancy was dead and might be found at any time. It wouldn't have mattered to him that JA was upset or "looking", all he was focused on at that time was looking like a concerned husband (and father) of a "missing" wife because he already KNEW SHE WAS DEAD. JA might have surprised him with her immediate reaction, but it really didn't matter WHEN the report was made - he KNEW she was dead already and was likely going to be found fairly quickly. Any "cover-up" BC was doing regarding Nancy's death was already done by 7AM - the time he SAYS he saw her last (which was true, he knew WHERE Nancy was and no-one could PROVE she wasn't alive because he was "with her" until that last trip to HT when he dumped her body). BC controlled everything until the moment Nancy's body left his control. By 7AM, he was "ready" for whatever came when Nancy was found - all he had to do is play along with whatever scenario presented itself and repeat the key items - HT 2X and phone call before 7, LTF and "searching" Sat afternoon. JA was certainly "pressing" things earlier from a "missing" standpoint than BC might have considered, but he just played the cards he was dealt, including JA and her involvement. And since JA spoke to BC several times, BC was aware before he went to LTF that JA was upset and MIGHT go looking and find Nancy herself before he returned home. Brad knew by JA's 1st PHONE CALL he didn't have 24 hours - why? Because he KNEW NANCY WAS DEAD and that she could be easily found.

And the thing is that even if he killed Nancy, BC is telling the truth - he last saw Nancy at around 7AM Sat morning....

My Opinion

[SleuthyGal]

If it is who I am thinking he tried and it got moved, or something occured..I'm not positive what it was. I know Fran did one and has tried to keep it updated.

He never did it and likely never intended to...he was making fun of those who analyze the case closely. Yes, Fran has a pretty good timeline, which is at the top of the threads.

[momto3kids]

He had the girls with him, though. He'd have to take a cab home or carry them.

He did have the girls with him, but there were many ways to have this done.

This is only my thought process and nothing I heard...just knowing what he tried at LTF and the purse in the car back home....

1-go home, put the girls down for a nap. Load and ride a bike or jog back to the house.
2-Ask one of his friends to follow him and take the SUV to LTF since NC was needing her car and the girls needed a nap.
3-Ask CM or DD to watch the girls for 30 minutes for an errand he needed to run and NC wasn't home yet.

[SleuthyGal]

If he killed Nancy then BC KNEW Nancy was dead and lying OPENLY on a lot a mile from his house.

Nancy was about 2.75 mi from their house. It was an isolated area, not readily visible even from the paved road. Someone driving in there very well might not have seen her. Those of us who went and looked at the dump site all realized how 'hidden in the open' she was...there is an incline down and she was at the base of that, obscured from the road. And the cul-de-sac itself it a good 1/2 mi or more from the houses that are inhabited, at the end of what is a construction site.

Did Brad take a risk in going to LTF? Yes! Yes he did! Let me ask you this: if Brad did the murder then why did he go to LTF at all? Alternatively, if Brad didn't do the murder, and he could see that Nancy did NOT have her LTF card, then why would he think she did go there? According to him she was out on a 'jog,' having taken nothing with her. His visit to LTF makes no sense in either a guilty or innocent scenario, but in a guilty scenario it adds the purpose of trying to see if he can get her scanned in so she appears on the computer.

And I know they weren't getting along, but seriously...the guy is not worried, and does NOT go looking for her until almost 6 hours later (coincidently when her friend calls and wants to come over to watch the kids). Do you not find that just a bit strange?

[reddress58]

Nancy was about 2.75 mi from their house. It was an isolated area, not readily visible even from the paved road. Someone driving in there very well might not have seen her. Those of us who went and looked at the dump site all realized how 'hidden in the open' she was...there is an incline down and she was at the base of that, obscured from the road. And the cul-de-sac itself it a good 1/2 mi or more from the houses that are inhabited, at the end of what is a construction site.

Did Brad take a risk in going to LTF? Yes! Yes he did! Let me ask you this: if Brad did the murder then why did he go to LTF at all? Alternatively, if Brad didn't do the murder, and he could see that Nancy did NOT have her LTF card, then why would he think she did go there? According to him she was out on a 'jog,' having taken nothing with her. His visit to LTF makes no sense in either a guilty or innocent scenario, but in a guilty scenario it adds the purpose of trying to see if he can get her scanned in so she appears on the computer.

And I know they weren't getting along, but seriously...the guy is not worried, and does NOT go looking for her until almost 6 hours later (coincidently when her friend calls and wants to come over to watch the kids). Do you not find that just a bit strange?
I still think this theory requires too much thought process for someone who just committed a crime of passion....not pre-meditated. I have to go with FC's theory because, in his place, I would do the same thing

[raisincharlie]

Going back to the purse in the car...and I know RC you are on the same page with me on this....this was my 1st red flag.

I still say he put it there with her cell after he went thru it trying to figure what kind of alibi he could use. The card was there and his lightbulb went off...LTF

I feel he had all intentions of having the SUV parked at LTF once he pulled off the card being swept.

Not going by JJ when he had to sit basically in front of it while waiting for the red light...he mentioned coffee to JA and HP when he spoke to them.

Mt3K

First I hope you have understood my point about Chief Bazemore not answering the question she was asked. There are only a few possibliites as to why she did not answer the question.

She misunderstood the question (not sure how)
She knew the answer but did not wish to answer (can understand this)
The issue was being investigated so can't say (can understand this)

So if she understood this question and danced about it - either she knew Brad wasn't exactly looking or she knew detectives were checking into it. She is IMO too smart to have misunderstood the question. I have a tendancy to think this supports the theory that Brad was up to something but it was not looking for Nancy between 1 and 3 pm on Saturday.

I have really studied on that purse. We know Nancy spoke with JA the night of the party at about 10:30. We also know Nancy did not get home until midnight or just after. It is therefore reasonable to figure that Nancy had her cell phone with her at the party. Is it reasonable to figure she had it in her purse ? From that point one might say she put the purse in the X5 on her way into the house when returning from the party. We know Brad took the girls passports from the X5 once - so there does not seem to me to be any reason for her to have put the purse in the X5 - Brad could get to it if he wanted to obviously. I also find it strange to think, this woman slept in the room with her children but didn't keep her cell phone in close proximity. From this it is reasonable to me to figure the cell phone and the purse were wherever Nancy was, which was not in the X5 but in the childrens room.

This leaves two possible scenarios:

Nancy was alive sometime in the morning not long before the so called 7 am runtime. If so it is possible she may have put the purse in the X5 in anticipation of driving to get her coffee before her run as this was her habit. Either she mysteriously vanished after putting her purse in the car or she went back into the house for something and never came back out.

or

If Nancy was murdered much earlier, and figuring she kept her purse and cell phone close and the phone was in the purse, the only way for the purse to have been in the X5 was it was put there by the murderer. The murderer would have had access to the house to get the purse in order to accomplish this.


Any other ideas.

[Star12]

If Nancy was murdered much earlier, and figuring she kept her purse and cell phone close and the phone was in the purse, the only way for the purse to have been in the X5 was it was put there by the murderer. The murderer would have had access to the house to get the purse in order to accomplish this.


Any other ideas.

The phone was not in the purse if JA saw it in there. However, if she stood by the car and tried calling NC's cell, JA would have heard it ring. I still think, however, that BC used NC's cell to call his own. OR he could have easily come back home, made the call on his landline, and then gone back out to HT. He had plenty of time for that.

My other question is this: why would NC have taken her purse to a get together just across the street? She wasn't going to buy anything, nor would she have need for anything you would typically put in a purse. Cell phone would be it. And BC was at the party, and he had keys, if they even locked the doors.

[reddress58]

Mt3K

First I hope you have understood my point about Chief Bazemore not answering the question she was asked. There are only a few possibliites as to why she did not answer the question.

She misunderstood the question (not sure how)
She knew the answer but did not wish to answer (can understand this)
The issue was being investigated so can't say (can understand this)

So if she understood this question and danced about it - either she knew Brad wasn't exactly looking or she knew detectives were checking into it. She is IMO too smart to have misunderstood the question. I have a tendancy to think this supports the theory that Brad was up to something but it was not looking for Nancy between 1 and 3 pm on Saturday.

I have really studied on that purse. We know Nancy spoke with JA the night of the party at about 10:30. We also know Nancy did not get home until midnight or just after. It is therefore reasonable to figure that Nancy had her cell phone with her at the party. Is it reasonable to figure she had it in her purse ? From that point one might say she put the purse in the X5 on her way into the house when returning from the party. We know Brad took the girls passports from the X5 once - so there does not seem to me to be any reason for her to have put the purse in the X5 - Brad could get to it if he wanted to obviously. I also find it strange to think, this woman slept in the room with her children but didn't keep her cell phone in close proximity. From this it is reasonable to me to figure the cell phone and the purse were wherever Nancy was, which was not in the X5 but in the childrens room.

This leaves two possible scenarios:

Nancy was alive sometime in the morning not long before the so called 7 am runtime. If so it is possible she may have put the purse in the X5 in anticipation of driving to get her coffee before her run as this was her habit. Either she mysteriously vanished after putting her purse in the car or she went back into the house for something and never came back out.

or

If Nancy was murdered much earlier, and figuring she kept her purse and cell phone close and the phone was in the purse, the only way for the purse to have been in the X5 was it was put there by the murderer. The murderer would have had access to the house to get the purse in order to accomplish this.


Any other ideas.
Yes. She put the purse in there trying to get away from Brad during an argument. He apprehended her before she could drive away.

[reddress58]

Mt3K

First I hope you have understood my point about Chief Bazemore not answering the question she was asked. There are only a few possibliites as to why she did not answer the question.

She misunderstood the question (not sure how)
She knew the answer but did not wish to answer (can understand this)
The issue was being investigated so can't say (can understand this)

So if she understood this question and danced about it - either she knew Brad wasn't exactly looking or she knew detectives were checking into it. She is IMO too smart to have misunderstood the question. I have a tendancy to think this supports the theory that Brad was up to something but it was not looking for Nancy between 1 and 3 pm on Saturday.

I have really studied on that purse. We know Nancy spoke with JA the night of the party at about 10:30. We also know Nancy did not get home until midnight or just after. It is therefore reasonable to figure that Nancy had her cell phone with her at the party. Is it reasonable to figure she had it in her purse ? From that point one might say she put the purse in the X5 on her way into the house when returning from the party. We know Brad took the girls passports from the X5 once - so there does not seem to me to be any reason for her to have put the purse in the X5 - Brad could get to it if he wanted to obviously. I also find it strange to think, this woman slept in the room with her children but didn't keep her cell phone in close proximity. From this it is reasonable to me to figure the cell phone and the purse were wherever Nancy was, which was not in the X5 but in the childrens room.

This leaves two possible scenarios:

Nancy was alive sometime in the morning not long before the so called 7 am runtime. If so it is possible she may have put the purse in the X5 in anticipation of driving to get her coffee before her run as this was her habit. Either she mysteriously vanished after putting her purse in the car or she went back into the house for something and never came back out.

or

If Nancy was murdered much earlier, and figuring she kept her purse and cell phone close and the phone was in the purse, the only way for the purse to have been in the X5 was it was put there by the murderer. The murderer would have had access to the house to get the purse in order to accomplish this.


Any other ideas.
What baffles me RC is at one time you supported my theory of how the purse got in the car. Now you don't even list it as a possibility. Do you know something we don't? Hmmmm

[momto3kids]

RC...I like hearing your thoughts on all the scenario's that are possible. I know there are so many IF's with this case.
But living in the very center of this as some others are on here are, and knowing where he went and as they say 'the lay of the land', some things are possible and other things just aren't reasonable.

Example...some still are trying to say she might have gone jogging in MeadowRidge. I said from the beginning no she wouldn't, it takes someone to see what Cary offers for jogging and bike riding to understand why she wouldn't go there.

As for the purse, I still believe it was in the house. As you mentioned BC could get to it if he wanted so what would be the reason to leave it outside and with her cell?

I don't believe NC was alive near 7am. I think the rage occured when she got home or shortly after. Was he up when she got home or did he get up shortly after midnight and she had gone to bed and he confronted her? I don't know. What we know is she corrected him per DD affidavit in front of guests and they were back again in the 'hate' mode. That final week was not pleasant with her not getting her allowance from him, the place was like a pig pen and then she corrected Mr. controlling ego???

Anything around 7 had a possibility of the children up and around..walkers, joggers behind his house, etc.

Back to the purse....planted, because IMO she was dead much sooner than 7am.

[raisincharlie]

The phone was not in the purse if JA saw it in there. However, if she stood by the car and tried calling NC's cell, JA would have heard it ring. I still think, however, that BC used NC's cell to call his own. OR he could have easily come back home, made the call on his landline, and then gone back out to HT. He had plenty of time for that.

My other question is this: why would NC have taken her purse to a get together just across the street? She wasn't going to buy anything, nor would she have need for anything you would typically put in a purse. Cell phone would be it. And BC was at the party, and he had keys, if they even locked the doors.

This is why I asked the question - she had the phone at the party - we know that - did she just carry it around or did she have her purse and put the phone "in there" - the purse ? My wife doesn't carry a cell phone around - it is usually in her purse - just asking.

If BC used Nancy's cell to call his own - either it was in the house and he had access to it or in whatever vehicle he used to go to the store in, which I think was the X5. If he used the landline at 640 - he had less than 5 minutes to get to HT to be seen buying detergent and juice at 645 - he has receipts, he knew exactly what time he purchsed those items when he wrote that affidavit. No way could he have used the landline at 640 and have a receipt for items at 645.

If he used his car to dispose of the body, chances are he didn't have time to clean it up prior to the second series of trips to HT and since he needed detergent. According to Scott Heider - they always locked their doors.

[raisincharlie]

What baffles me RC is at one time you supported my theory of how the purse got in the car. Now you don't even list it as a possibility. Do you know something we don't? Hmmmm

Jog my brain please :crazy:

I don't know anything - just puzzling like everyone else.

[reddress58]

Jog my brain please :crazy:

I don't know anything - just puzzling like everyone else.
SHE put the purse in the car when she was trying to get away from him. He followed her to the car, pulled her out and did her in...in the garage.

[reddress58]

RC...I like hearing your thoughts on all the scenario's that are possible. I know there are so many IF's with this case.
But living in the very center of this as some others are on here are, and knowing where he went and as they say 'the lay of the land', some things are possible and other things just aren't reasonable.

Example...some still are trying to say she might have gone jogging in MeadowRidge. I said from the beginning no she wouldn't, it takes someone to see what Cary offers for jogging and bike riding to understand why she wouldn't go there.

As for the purse, I still believe it was in the house. As you mentioned BC could get to it if he wanted so what would be the reason to leave it outside and with her cell?

I don't believe NC was alive near 7am. I think the rage occured when she got home or shortly after. Was he up when she got home or did he get up shortly after midnight and she had gone to bed and he confronted her? I don't know. What we know is she corrected him per DD affidavit in front of guests and they were back again in the 'hate' mode. That final week was not pleasant with her not getting her allowance from him, the place was like a pig pen and then she corrected Mr. controlling ego???

Anything around 7 had a possibility of the children up and around..walkers, joggers behind his house, etc.

Back to the purse....planted, because IMO she was dead much sooner than 7am.
Why would he leave her purse in her car for LE to find unless he didn't realize that's where it was? You would think if he used it for purposes for establishing NC's whereabouts before 7 that he would have removed it when he got home. As for the LTF card being in his possession; I keep mine in my gym bag. It wouldn't be with my purse.

[raisincharlie]

SHE put the purse in the car when she was trying to get away from him. He followed her to the car, pulled her out and did her in...in the garage.

Would the first theory not encompass that ? I think so - just not in the same words you used is all.

[reddress58]

She wasn't planning on leaving and didn't put her purse there in anticipation of that. It was spur of the moment in anger or fear...running from the monster. Just my opinion. I guess I'm trying to tie it in with why he was confident enough and so agreeable to allow LE into the house. It seems to me the garage would be a likely place for the deed, and how the two of them got there would tie in why the purse was in the car.

[jumpstreet]

I still think this theory requires too much thought process for someone who just committed a crime of passion....not pre-meditated. I have to go with FC's theory because, in his place, I would do the same thing

Agree! Thanks Flowerchild - that theory on the (alleged) LTF attempt to swipe NC's card makes a whole lot more sense than it being a trip to "place" her there.

Before, I was saying I couldn't think of a reasonable explanation (though I really thought the notion of it "placing" her there was nonsensical). You thought of a perfectly reasonable, and IMO likely one.

Anything is possible, and like RC has said, murderers aren't always thinking/behaving rationally, but the notion that he would utilize LTF trip for anything other than what you said just doesn't seem reasonable at all. (again, IMO... :) )

[momto3kids]

Why would he leave her purse in her car for LE to find unless he didn't realize that's where it was? You would think if he used it for purposes for establishing NC's whereabouts before 7 that he would have removed it when he got home. As for the LTF card being in his possession; I keep mine in my gym bag. It wouldn't be with my purse.

That's just it..it wasn't for LE to find except in the parking lot of LTF. He was trying to establish an alibi around noon to 1pm. The car was his next step in his plan...but JA was too far ahead of him by calling the LE.

NC card could have been in a gym bag...but we don't know that to be the case. Either way the purse was planted there with her cell phone, IMO

[reddress58]

That's just it..it wasn't for LE to find except in the parking lot of LTF. He was trying to establish an alibi around noon to 1pm. The car was his next step in his plan...but JA was too far ahead of him by calling the LE.

NC card could have been in a gym bag...but we don't know that to be the case. Either way the purse was planted there with her cell phone, IMO
Do you think he was driving NC's car when LE called him to come home? Doesn't make sense. Put the purse in her car, drive to LTF with children to get her card scanned, come home, drive her car back there. Why not just take her car in the first place to leave? We know it was in the driveway because JA was looking in it. Perplexed!

[reddress58]

That's just it..it wasn't for LE to find except in the parking lot of LTF. He was trying to establish an alibi around noon to 1pm. The car was his next step in his plan...but JA was too far ahead of him by calling the LE.

NC card could have been in a gym bag...but we don't know that to be the case. Either way the purse was planted there with her cell phone, IMO
...also, he told JA she went for a run from the house. How could he explain that the car was all of a sudden not there at the house when he already told JA she didn't drive?

[ncnative]

No matter what time of day or night, the homes are really close together where Brad and Nancy live(d). Doors opening/closing on cars, garage, or house, a scuffle--while outside would have made someone's dog bark or someone may have been awake using the bathroom (neighbors), etc. I hear everything.

If he had been threatening and had Nancy outside, she probably would have screamed loudly to get attention, I would think. I think it was an "inside" job. I also think that we will be in for a little surprise or two when all is said and done.

[reddress58]

No matter what time of day or night, the homes are really close together where Brad and Nancy live(d). Doors opening/closing on cars, garage, or house, a scuffle--while outside would have made someone's dog bark or someone may have been awake using the bathroom (neighbors), etc. I hear everything.

If he had been threatening and had Nancy outside, she probably would have screamed loudly to get attention, I would think. I think it was an "inside" job. I also think that we will be in for a little surprise or two when all is said and done.
But it could have been muffled if it took place in the garage. That is not outside.

[SleuthyGal]

This leaves two possible scenarios:

Nancy was alive sometime in the morning not long before the so called 7 am runtime. {snip}
Any other ideas.

What I can't get past is that she had plans with JA for 8am to paint. I can't see why she would go running at 7am if she was to be at JA's at 8am. I mean I suppose it's not impossible to do so, but it just doesn't feel' right and that's as specific as I can be.

[momto3kids]

She wasn't planning on leaving and didn't put her purse there in anticipation of that. It was spur of the moment in anger or fear...running from the monster. Just my opinion. I guess I'm trying to tie it in with why he was confident enough and so agreeable to allow LE into the house. It seems to me the garage would be a likely place for the deed, and how the two of them got there would tie in why the purse was in the car.

Too much time would be spent to unlock a vehicle, open the door shut it, lock it and start the engine...

She had a friend directly in front of her doorstep she could scream and bang on the Duncan's door.

Her vehicle was outside not the garage from what I have gathered, so flinging the purse in the SUV would mean she had to go outside.

[reddress58]

Too much time would be spent to unlock a vehicle, open the door shut it, lock it and start the engine...

She had a friend directly in front of her doorstep she could scream and bang on the Duncan's door.

Her vehicle was outside not the garage from what I have gathered, so flinging the purse in the SUV would mean she had to go outside.
I asked at one time if anyone knew where the SUV was during the night, and no one knew for sure. Why do you think it was in the drive all night?

[reddress58]

Too much time would be spent to unlock a vehicle, open the door shut it, lock it and start the engine...

She had a friend directly in front of her doorstep she could scream and bang on the Duncan's door.

Her vehicle was outside not the garage from what I have gathered, so flinging the purse in the SUV would mean she had to go outside.
...also, I suggested she may be leaving in anger...not just fear. If that were the case, she wouldn't need to bang on the Duncan's door.

[momto3kids]

Agree! Thanks Flowerchild - that theory on the (alleged) LTF attempt to swipe NC's card makes a whole lot more sense than it being a trip to "place" her there.

Before, I was saying I couldn't think of a reasonable explanation (though I really thought the notion of it "placing" her there was nonsensical). You thought of a perfectly reasonable, and IMO likely one.

Anything is possible, and like RC has said, murderers aren't always thinking/behaving rationally, but the notion that he would utilize LTF trip for anything other than what you said just doesn't seem reasonable at all. (again, IMO... :) )

My source tells me it was NOT to inquire about NC and her whereabouts.

[reddress58]

My source tells me it was NOT to inquire about NC and her whereabouts.
Well, THAT makes a big difference. Could you tell us exactly what you know so we can see things from your perspective? Once again, you have a serious advantage, Mom.

[SleuthyGal]

Anything around 7 had a possibility of the children up and around..walkers, joggers behind his house, etc.

Back to the purse....planted, because IMO she was dead much sooner than 7am.

Not to mention his 4:20am visit to HT. If that's true and he did go to HT at 4:20am to buy detergent, then she was dead before that...dead before or by 4am. Otherwise, what would be the point of going to the store at 4am? A suddent urge to get up and do laundry?

[momto3kids]

I asked at one time if anyone knew where the SUV was during the night, and no one knew for sure. Why do you think it was in the drive all night?

Since the last time you asked ...I found out about the vehicles. Just take my word for it, the sedan was the vehicle of choice.

[reddress58]

Not to mention his 4:20am visit to HT. If that's true and he did go to HT at 4:20am to buy detergent, then she was dead before that...dead before or by 4am. Otherwise, what would be the point of going to the store at 4am? A suddent urge to get up and do laundry?
Maybe he had a particular kind of dream. (Lordy...somebody slap me)

[reddress58]

Since the last time you asked ...I found out about the vehicles. Just take my word for it, the sedan was the vehicle of choice.
Oh I agree that was the car used to take her to the recovery site. I just want to know if she ran to her car while it was in the garage before the altercation. He could have switched cars if one was in the driveway.

[ncnative]

Reddress, that is hilarious!!!

[reddress58]

Reddress, that is hilarious!!!
Well, he WAS deprived....since the conception of Katie. Those things happen. :-)

[reddress58]

I'm going to bed early before I get myself in trouble with the web police. Ya'll solve this by the morning and I'll give you each a quarter. LOL

[ncnative]

He had ladies of the evening on the side, but I'm sure he had "a particular kind of dream" many times, due to the yellow/brown stained sheets. Well, I don't know about the brown part...

[momto3kids]

Well, THAT makes a big difference. Could you tell us exactly what you know so we can see things from your perspective? Once again, you have a serious advantage, Mom.

I just said the most I can. I am not willing to jepordize anyone's job or friendship over BC...he is not worth it to me. He went in trying to get an alibi for NC last place seen and not inquire about her.

The one thing I keep saying is remember the gp's were already in front of a judge for the Ex Parte, even before the SW was completed! A family from out of the country, bio parent still alive, SW still underway, and the judge believe's what a family says about BC being unstable?

ON Saturday the LE knew what they had on their hands when they left BC home, and everyone was ready to go to the judge once NC was identified.

[jumpstreet]

My source tells me it was NOT to inquire about NC and her whereabouts.

Wow. Just when I was about to offer to go to LTF myself, show my membership card, and see if I could get them to tell me if my spouse had been there earlier in the day. [I was going to personally test the sanity of FC's theory... guess I won't bother now... :) ]

Thinking more about FC's theory, still what would be the point of him asking them to swipe her card. Why would he need to ask that I wonder. Are you assuming that they need the card to pull up her membership or something? (Vs being able to pull it up via his card). [ It's moot point if Mom's source is right, but just wondering ]

[momto3kids]

He had ladies of the evening on the side, but I'm sure he had "a particular kind of dream" many times, due to the yellow/brown stained sheets. Well, I don't know about the brown part...

I sure hope he and mommy dearest bought several sets while at Penney's!:crazy:

[jumpstreet]

The one thing I keep saying is remember the gp's were already in front of a judge for the Ex Parte, even before the SW was completed! A family from out of the country, bio parent still alive, SW still underway, and the judge believe's what a family says about BC being unstable?


Agree here - I've always thought the plantiff's must have something of substance to get that ex-parte. Also feel they have a "position of negotiation" even to get the current arrangement. [ Don't buy it was all a 'generous gift' from BC ]. (IMO) W. Smith said "here's what will come out if we go into court... unless you want that... then these are the terms... "

[reddress58]

I just said the most I can. I am not willing to jepordize anyone's job or friendship over BC...he is not worth it to me. He went in trying to get an alibi for NC last place seen and not inquire about her.

The one thing I keep saying is remember the gp's were already in front of a judge for the Ex Parte, even before the SW was completed! A family from out of the country, bio parent still alive, SW still underway, and the judge believe's what a family says about BC being unstable?

ON Saturday the LE knew what they had on their hands when they left BC home, and everyone was ready to go to the judge once NC was identified.
Which would explain why Bazemore was so quick to conclude it was an isolated incident and not an random killing.

[momto3kids]

Wow. Just when I was about to offer to go to LTF myself, show my membership card, and see if I could get them to tell me if my spouse had been there earlier in the day. [I was going to personally test the sanity of FC's theory... guess I won't bother now... :) ]

Thinking more about FC's theory, still what would be the point of him asking them to swipe her card. Why would he need to ask that I wonder. Are you assuming that they need the card to pull up her membership or something? (Vs being able to pull it up via his card). [ It's moot point if Mom's source is right, but just wondering ].


1--If it was that easy he could have called.
2--He knew she couldn't get in without her ID
3--If he was inquiring about NC then how would he explain it when he takes her ID card out?

[reddress58]

Wow. Just when I was about to offer to go to LTF myself, show my membership card, and see if I could get them to tell me if my spouse had been there earlier in the day. [I was going to personally test the sanity of FC's theory... guess I won't bother now... :) ]

Thinking more about FC's theory, still what would be the point of him asking them to swipe her card. Why would he need to ask that I wonder. Are you assuming that they need the card to pull up her membership or something? (Vs being able to pull it up via his card). [ It's moot point if Mom's source is right, but just wondering ]
He could not establish she was at the club unless her card was swiped. You can't enter without your card being swiped. He needed it to be so he could say she was there.

[jumpstreet]

Which would explain why Bazemore was so quick to conclude it was an isolated incident and not an random killing.

Can someone PLEASE go down to the SBI and tell them to get a move on??!!

[Roy23]

Does anyone think that BC didn't know that Nancy's friend was frantically trying to get in touch with her when the cell phone was near BC the whole time? I know you are an insider MOM but this LTF stuff maybe is not as accurate as has been told to you.

[reddress58]

He had ladies of the evening on the side, but I'm sure he had "a particular kind of dream" many times, due to the yellow/brown stained sheets. Well, I don't know about the brown part...
Self tanning lotion maybe? :-)

[momto3kids]

Which would explain why Bazemore was so quick to conclude it was an isolated incident and not an random killing.

Ya think??:waitasec:

Hey you were going to bed....I guess you're like me, come back for more..:crazy:

[SleuthyGal]

Maybe he had a particular kind of dream. (Lordy...somebody slap me) omg! bwah!! :slap: :slap:

[raisincharlie]

What I can't get past is that she had plans with JA for 8am to paint. I can't see why she would go running at 7am if she was to be at JA's at 8am. I mean I suppose it's not impossible to do so, but it just doesn't feel' right and that's as specific as I can be.

Thats part of my problem with this. Add to it - the day before she had a plan to run at 5:45 am - this was cancled. 5:45 am

It was also reported Nancy was not feeling well at the party. She did however tell CM that she planned to run Saturday morning. A lot of contrdictions with these items.

[momto3kids]

He could not establish she was at the club unless her card was swiped. You can't enter without your card being swiped. He needed it to be so he could say she was there.

Exactly..so again question #1...why did BC go there in the 1st place? NC couldn't enter without her card and she carried NOTHING when she went jogging.

OOPS...I miss read your statement..oh well I look like I went off the deep end didn't I just then???LOL

[reddress58]

Ya think??:waitasec:

Hey you were going to bed....I guess you're like me, come back for more..:crazy:
Now you know why I needed the vacation. Off to bed...really, this time.

[sunflowers]

The wreath... the wreath... has anybody seen the WREATH...

(Said to the tune of Led Zepplin's "...Has anybody seen the BRIDGE")


great song, & it's a great tune for the wreath, the wreath, ....

[momto3kids]

Does anyone think that BC didn't know that Nancy's friend was frantically trying to get in touch with her when the cell phone was near BC the whole time? I know you are an insider MOM but this LTF stuff maybe is not as accurate as has been told to you.

BC didn't have the phone next to him, it was in the SUV.

I just listed about LTF...reasons 1,2 and 3

[momto3kids]

Thats part of my problem with this. Add to it - the day before she had a plan to run at 5:45 am - this was cancled. 5:45 am

It was also reported Nancy was not feeling well at the party. She did however tell CM that she planned to run Saturday morning. A lot of contrdictions with these items.


But was CM at the party? If NC wasn't feeling good maybe CM didn't know that since she wasn't with her Friday nite.
NC was at CM house Wednesday night and went home leaving BC and the girls behind.

[Roy23]

BC didn't have the phone next to him, it was in the SUV.

I just listed about LTF...reasons 1,2 and 3



hmmm. Okay, so it is clear for sure which vehicle that Brad dumped the body and drove around with his two kids in.

[raisincharlie]

But was CM at the party? If NC wasn't feeling good maybe CM didn't know that. NC was at CM house Wednesday night and went home leaving BC and the girls behind.


Dunno - but it was in CM's interview - she said it herself that nancy planned to run Saturday.

Nothing else to say about it.

But I do not believe for one second BC was out looking for Nancy at LTF - he had a much different reason for being there and it was strictly related to him and him alone. JA brought to his attention - inadvertantly - that there was a huge hole in his little plan - he knew he could not be the last person to see Nancy, he also knew he had to have ber located somewhere away from the home. JA rocked his little world big time. His affidavits are going to come back and bite him.

[SleuthyGal]

he knew he could not be the last person to see Nancy, he also knew he had to have ber located somewhere away from the home. And whadyaknow...he is the last known person to see her alive. Exactly what he didn't want to have happen.

[raisincharlie]

And whadyaknow...he is the last known person to see her alive. Exactly what he didn't want to have happen.

Might have worked somewhat, only somewhat thought, if JA had not felt so strongly there was something wrong and waited 24 hours...

[momto3kids]

Does anyone think that BC didn't know that Nancy's friend was frantically trying to get in touch with her when the cell phone was near BC the whole time? I know you are an insider MOM but this LTF stuff maybe is not as accurate as has been told to you.

Roy.....I totally understand what you are saying, but again........

1--If it was that easy to get information he could have called.
2--He knew she couldn't get in without her ID and she carried nothing as he stated
3--If he was inquiring about NC then how would he explain it when he takes her ID card out, knowing she couldn't have gotten in to LTF?

It is because he asked for it to be scanned.

[momto3kids]

Might have worked somewhat, only somewhat thought, if JA had not felt so strongly there was something wrong and waited 24 hours...

Have you ever smelled a freshly cleaned home and car?:waitasec:

[SleuthyGal]

I was driving back home from my (non-swanky) gym tonight and thinking about when a spouse is murdered and it's NOT the intimate partner. You know the remaining spouse is often seen in/around the community, on TV, in articles, talking about the dead spouse, looking for the perp, keeping the publicity up...it's often a way to cope as well as I'm sure coming from a place of grief and anger. Families do this who have a loved one that is murdered too.

Now let's look at Brad. Assume for a moment he's innocent. Wife is murdered. Mother of his kids dead. And...no reaction other than a look of annoyance at the press conf. Doesn't attend any memorial, none of Nancy's friends are consoling him. Nancy's parents think he did it, he's lost custody of the kids temporarily...

and...

he's just kind of doing a virtual shrug.

This 'devastated' man who now has allll the time in the world to help seek the killer of his wife is just hanging out. Now I know people grieve in different ways; of course they do.

But this guy? Does nothing. He or someone in his home removes the white bow honoring Nancy, from the front of his house. He could have made a sign, "Justice for Nancy." He could have done lots of little/quiet things. But what does he do?

Nothing.

This 'innocent' guy, whose wife (who he claims to love) was murdered...the mother of his 2 little girls...does

NOTHING.

And yes, that's absolutely his right.

But it doesn't look right.

[ember]

I've been busy w/cheerleading and football...haven't been around much but I do stop in to check to see what's going on with this case and I'm really surprised that there is still no movement on this one way or another.

Does LE know anything new? Has anything new come out? I checked the media thread but...nothing....hmmmm...seems if they had anything on Brad, action would have been taken by now. This case is even completely out of the media too.....

[Roy23]

I was driving back home from my (non-swanky) gym tonight and thinking about when a spouse is murdered and it's NOT the intimate partner. You know the remaining spouse is often seen in/around the community, on TV, in articles, talking about the dead spouse, looking for the perp, keeping the publicity up...it's often a way to cope as well as I'm sure coming from a place of grief and anger. Families do this who have a loved one that is murdered too.

Now let's look at Brad. Assume for a moment he's innocent. Wife is murdered. Mother of his kids dead. And...no reaction other than a look of annoyance at the press conf. Doesn't attend any memorial, none of Nancy's friends are consoling him. Nancy's parents think he did it, he's lost custody of the kids temporarily...

and...

he's just kind of doing a virtual shrug.

This 'devastated' man who now has allll the time in the world to help seek the killer of his wife is just hanging out. Now I know people grieve in different ways; of course they do.

But this guy? Does nothing. He or someone in his home removes the white bow honoring Nancy, from the front of his house. He could have made a sign, "Justice for Nancy." He could have done lots of little/quiet things. But what does he do?

Nothing.

This 'innocent' guy, whose wife (who he claims to love) was murdered...the mother of his 2 little girls...does

NOTHING.

And yes, that's absolutely his right.

But it doesn't look right.



Post of the day.

[raisincharlie]

Have you ever smelled a freshly cleaned home and car?:waitasec:

Never :crazy:

Mom, I have little doubt that LE did know something was up very early on. Did you see my note that Bazemore confirmed that both cars were looked at by LE on that very Saturday ? Bet they smelled a clean car too.

[Roy23]

Roy.....I totally understand what you are saying, but again........

1--If it was that easy to get information he could have called.
2--He knew she couldn't get in without her ID and she carried nothing as he stated
3--If he was inquiring about NC then how would he explain it when he takes her ID card out, knowing she couldn't have gotten in to LTF?

It is because he asked for it to be scanned.


I ask this in ignorance so bear with me. What exactly has LE or LTF said about BC visiting this establishment?

[momto3kids]

SG....lets add NO obituary.
Tells the sweet innocent children their mom is dead just before the memorial and walks away. This man is suppose to protect them, help them thru times of need. JERK is putting it mildly.

[EntreNous]

What concerns me is Willoughby in all this. JY is walking around scott free with extremely damning SW's that you'd think would be enough to put this guy away for a very long time. In the meantime JY has enjoyed several additional months of freedom. Why? So Willoughby's ego will remain pristine?

It's only been several weeks in BC's case so I understand to an extent but is this case going to drag out for an eternity like the JY case has??? Should everyone just sit back and wait for BC's to wallow around in freedom for the next few years while Willoughby deals with his perfectionism?

[momto3kids]

I ask this in ignorance so bear with me. What exactly has LE or LTF said about BC visiting this establishment?

Again, I won't elaborate....just he didn't go to check on NC.

[jumpstreet]

I was driving back home from my (non-swanky) gym tonight and thinking about when a spouse is murdered and it's NOT the intimate partner. You know the remaining spouse is often seen in/around the community, on TV, in articles, talking about the dead spouse, looking for the perp, keeping the publicity up...it's often a way to cope as well as I'm sure coming from a place of grief and anger. Families do this who have a loved one that is murdered too.

Now let's look at Brad. Assume for a moment he's innocent. Wife is murdered. Mother of his kids dead. And...no reaction other than a look of annoyance at the press conf. Doesn't attend any memorial, none of Nancy's friends are consoling him. Nancy's parents think he did it, he's lost custody of the kids temporarily...

and...

he's just kind of doing a virtual shrug.

This 'devastated' man who now has allll the time in the world to help seek the killer of his wife is just hanging out. Now I know people grieve in different ways; of course they do.

But this guy? Does nothing. He or someone in his home removes the white bow honoring Nancy, from the front of his house. He could have made a sign, "Justice for Nancy." He could have done lots of little/quiet things. But what does he do?

Nothing.

This 'innocent' guy, whose wife (who he claims to love) was murdered...the mother of his 2 little girls...does

NOTHING.

And yes, that's absolutely his right.

But it doesn't look right.

I've thought a bit about this too, and agree on the surface it might not look right, but to some extent, won't he get dinged either way? If he were to campaign / offer reward / go on TV and say he will fight for justice... won't people just say he's being disingenuous, and trying to "trick" everyone (ie, pull an "OJ"). [ Similar reaction when K&B posted up their web site ]

If it were me, and I was innocent, I suppose I wouldn't care what everyone thought, and I'd do it (search, go on TV, offer award, go vigilante, whatever)... anyway, who knows what his attorneys have advised him... who knows EXACTLY how any of us would deal with this exact situation.

Bottom line, it's hard (for me anyway) to pass too much judgment on this particular front.

[EntreNous]

I've thought a bit about this too, and agree on the surface it might not look right, but to some extent, won't he get dinged either way? If he were to campaign / offer reward / go on TV and say he will fight for justice... won't people just say he's being disingenuous, and trying to "trick" everyone (ie, pull an "OJ"). [ Similar reaction when K&B posted up their web site ]

If it were me, and I was innocent, I suppose I wouldn't care what everyone thought, and I'd do it (search, go on TV, offer an award, go vigilante, whatever)... anyway, who knows what his attorneys have advised him... who knows EXACTLY how any of us would deal with this exact situation.

Bottom line, it's hard (for me anyway) to pass too much judgment on this particular front.
Not if he's being sincere.

Trust me, something happens to your spouse and I don't care how private you are, you start acting hinky and people are going to pick up on it.

[jumpstreet]

It's only been several weeks in BC's case so I understand to an extent but is this case going to drag out for an eternity l