View Full Version : Greta - August 21, 1008
Leila
08-21-2008, 09:59 PM
Greta is about to begin.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:00 PM
I'm here Leila! :D She's starting out with that priceless video of Casey leaving jail today under the watchful protection of Baez!
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:00 PM
Hi Panthera!
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:02 PM
Up first is Leonard Padilla. He's telling about leaving the jail. He says the police would form a cordon and they didn't do it. No discussion about the jail exit in the car. She exchanged pleasantries on the way home.
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:04 PM
He describes the homecoming. She never mentioned Caylee, although there was discussion in the back, but he didn't hear Caylee mentioned. He spent an hour at the house. She wasn't in his presence in the house.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:05 PM
Padilla is on Greta's show describing in detail Casey's departure from jail, ride back to the house, greeting and hugging her dad and mom when she got home. Video showing the SUV driving into the garage and the door immediately going down before anybody got out. She took a shower when she got home. Padilla didn't have much conversation with her except her thanking him for bailing her out. He probably won't see her again until Sunday (at the vigil?) because he has other work to do.
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:08 PM
ok here we go .....THE FRIENDS!!!!!
passin_through
08-21-2008, 10:08 PM
handed "it" off.
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:08 PM
Greta is going for it..........any indication that there will be an effort to find Caylee. He hasn't changed his mind on this and thinks that's the goal. He wants her dropped off at a drug store somewhere.
Where does he come up with the theory that Caylee was handed off to someone? He talks about half truths and says he thinks it wasn't Zenaida. LE looking for her dead, LP is looking for her alive.
Greta is pressing LP for why he thinks that way.
EastSideOfSaddness
08-21-2008, 10:08 PM
Padilla saying That's LE's job to find out if she did anything to Caylee. NO sorry Padilla---IT'S CASEY'S JOB TO CARE FOR HER CHILD AND NOT LIE...PERIOD! UGH, I probably need a break......
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:08 PM
Padilla doesn't believe there's a Zenaida, but that Casey handed Caylee off to a friend of hers in "that little clique of hers". :eek:
Inch High PI
08-21-2008, 10:09 PM
Oh geeze here he is with the "drug store and then claim the reward" scenario again. WHY does he keep saying that? How can someone who has held her and supposedly kidnapped her all this time claim the reward??
"Hello I'm here to claim the reward, I'm the one who kidnapped Caylee and dropped her off at Walgreens two days ago." Huh????
Every time he says that it irritates the heck out of me. It makes NO sense.
sleuthmommy
08-21-2008, 10:10 PM
Could it be that Tony did pass along the case in MA to LP? He just mentioned it...........
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:10 PM
The friends are going under the bus! They have had all afternoon to figure out the next group lie about the friends. Anyone that had any contact with Casey or Caylee around the weekend of father's day better be scared!
burningsky22
08-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Oh geeze here he is with the "drug store and then claim the reward" scenario again. WHY does he keep saying that? How can someone who has held her and supposedly kidnapped her all this time claim the reward??
"Hello I'm here to claim the reward, I'm the one who kidnapped Caylee and dropped her off at Walgreens two days ago." Huh????
Every time he says that it irritates the heck out of me. It makes NO sense.
Right, what the heck?? Just drop her off at a 24hr drugstore, that is safe for a 3 year old.
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Padilla is on Greta's show describing in detail Casey's departure from jail, ride back to the house, greeting and hugging her dad and mom when she got home. Video showing the SUV driving into the garage and the door immediately going down before anybody got out. She took a shower when she got home. Padilla didn't have much conversation with her except her thanking him for bailing her out. He probably won't see her again until Sunday (at the vigil?) because he has other work to do.
Hope someone remembers to tell Casey to peel some raw onions before she goes outside for the vigil..... it will make her look like she has some emotions & actually misses Caylee.
Or maybe she can just think about who Tony's been sleeping with since she's been gone... THAT might work too.
It's not too early to practice crying for the jury.... her life might depend on whether people buy her performance.
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Greta pinning him down on what sort of threats they're getting. Some come email, some on the phone.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Now he's talking about the threats again, some email, some phone and other ways.
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:12 PM
all they are doing from this point forward is planning a defense strategy
thats all
sickening
they throw their own flesh and blood under the bus
:furious:
passin_through
08-21-2008, 10:12 PM
hmmmm-- I wonder what city codes there are against the bounty hunters working/living out of that RV.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:12 PM
Right, what the heck?? Just drop her off at a 24hr drugstore, that is safe for a 3 year old.
Unfortunately I think that's exactly what happened to Caylee, only it wasn't the drug store, just the drug. :mad:
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Right, what the heck?? Just drop her off at a 24hr drugstore, that is safe for a 3 year old.
right, so she can be really kidnapped this time
these people are NUT JOBS
DAWN TREADER
08-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Gotta give Greta some credit - she does know how to ask good leading questions - but she doesn't think like a prosecutor and that's the kind of questioning Padilla needs to face to throw him off balance.
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Justin Wells at the Anthony home. BH team has a huge motorhome at the curb.......that's where they're staying. Some media has left because of the weather, but cars on the street belong to media.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Hope someone remembers to tell Casey to peel some raw onions before she goes outside for the vigil..... it will make her look like she has some emotions & actually misses Caylee.
Or maybe she can just think about who Tony's been sleeping with since she's been gone... THAT might work too.
It's not too early to practice crying for the jury.... her life might depend on whether people buy her performance.
And I hope she doesn't find some film of Susan Smith to practice with either. It didn't work!
sleuthmommy
08-21-2008, 10:14 PM
Padilla doesn't believe there's a Zenaida, but that Casey handed Caylee off to a friend of hers in "that little clique of hers". :eek:
At least he admitted that much. There is no ZG...........
passin_through
08-21-2008, 10:14 PM
Right, what the heck?? Just drop her off at a 24hr drugstore, that is safe for a 3 year old.
Sure, it's just a little "mismanagement" of a kid.
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:14 PM
hmmmm-- I wonder what city codes there are against the bounty hunters working/living out of that RV.
Many cities have a 72-hour limit and then it has to be moved.
burningsky22
08-21-2008, 10:14 PM
Unfortunately I think that's exactly what happened to Caylee, only it wasn't the drug store, just the drug. :mad:
No, I meant good ole LP saying to just drop her off and call and get your reward. Boy doesn't this family attrack the most nuttiest of people. I have never in my life seen such strange people.
MarleneM
08-21-2008, 10:15 PM
If I was one of the Anthony's neighbors, I'd be so p****d at the frenzy around and blocking my house.
Boston
08-21-2008, 10:15 PM
Padilla doesn't believe there's a Zenaida, but that Casey handed Caylee off to a friend of hers in "that little clique of hers". :eek:
I thought he said a few days ago that he did believe that ZG did exist. Something about him being a Mexican & that if Casey wanted to make up a name she would use the name "Rosa" or somethng along those lines...
burningsky22
08-21-2008, 10:16 PM
I thought he said a few days ago that he did believe that ZG did exist. Something about him being a Mexican & that if Casey wanted to make up a name she would use the name "Rosa" or somethng along those lines...
He did.
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:16 PM
why doesnt the mother simply tell the grandparents who she gave the baby to ?
isnt that a simple enough question ?
geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh
they are spinning this into rocket science and its simple math
passin_through
08-21-2008, 10:17 PM
I wouldn't want my kid going out for the bus and playing in that neighborhood. The circus, the lookie-lous running through neighborhood, and not to mention armed men outside!
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:17 PM
WHICH FRIEND ?:furious:
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Justin Wells describing the coming home. Showed George leaving in car just now. Justin telling about ankle bracelet and the signal it sends first to California.
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:18 PM
greta, ask him to ask the freaking mother which friend she gave the baby to ?
Boston
08-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Hello.....Reward Hotline?
I just dropped Caylee off at Walmart so Can I have my check for $250K please. Make it out to Zaneida Gonzalas. The Guy with the cowboy hat said it was OK & that I would'nt have to answer any questions.
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 10:18 PM
The friends are going under the bus! They have had all afternoon to figure out the next group lie about the friends. Anyone that had any contact with Casey or Caylee around the weekend of father's day better be scared!
I think LE is onto them & probably expect them to start trying to blame people she knows.
The Zenaida lie was such a bust & the generic kidnapper wasn't very effective either.
I just hope all her friends have lawyers.... they shouldn't be harassed just because they knew a lying, baby mis-manager.
Maybe the whole group can hire the same lawyer & save time & some money..... it's going to be the same boring allegations over & over anyway. lol
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:19 PM
If I was one of the Anthony's neighbors, I'd be so p****d at the frenzy around and blocking my house.
I would be "renting" them space in my yard. LOL:Banane24:
Inch High PI
08-21-2008, 10:19 PM
If I was one of the Anthony's neighbors, I'd be so p****d at the frenzy around and blocking my house.
That's exactly what I was thinking. These poor people have been dealing with this for over a month now. This appears to have been a nice, quiet little neighborhood-it will never be the same.
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:19 PM
If I was one of the Anthony's neighbors, I'd be so p****d at the frenzy around and blocking my house.
If I was one of their neighbors my whole family would be walking along the sidewalk in front of their house with signs "Casey, Where Is Caylee!":furious:
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 10:20 PM
Hello.....Reward Hotline?
I just dropped Caylee off at Walmart so Can I have my check for $250K please. Make it out to Zaneida Gonzalas. The Guy with the cowboy hat said it was OK & that I would'nt have to answer any questions.
Reward Hotline: GET OFF THE PHONE, CASEY!!!!!
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:20 PM
if i lived nearby
i would be serving breakfast and lunch and dinner on my gas grill
soda - water
CASH ONLY
:crazy:
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:21 PM
No, I meant good ole LP saying to just drop her off and call and get your reward. Boy doesn't this family attrack the most nuttiest of people. I have never in my life seen such strange people.
Oh, I know what you meant, I was just adding my opinion to it! :)
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:21 PM
20 ounce water $7.00
all profits will go to search teams
burningsky22
08-21-2008, 10:21 PM
Oh, I know what you meant, I was just adding my opinion to it! :)
lol, they will just leave her in the pharmacy, she will know what to do.
EastSideOfSaddness
08-21-2008, 10:21 PM
If I was one of the Anthony's neighbors, I'd be so p****d at the frenzy around and blocking my house.
Oh they are--trust me. When the story first broke people weren't sleeping because of all the noise and lights....I know someone that lives less than 7 houses down. It's not only starting all over, it's worse!~
racegirl72
08-21-2008, 10:22 PM
Reward Hotline: GET OFF THE PHONE, CASEY!!!!!
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh
Patty G
08-21-2008, 10:22 PM
I don't know for how much longer the neighbors will tolerate all those vehicles on the street. Most of the streets have ordinances and once I saw that big trailer ... not sure that is going to stay there very long.
The one house right across the street from the Anthony's their lawn is down to dirt. I wonder if the media is paying a fee per day to sit on these people's lawns.
School started this week in Florida and school buses have to get through the streets etc., etc.
What a friggin mess!
impatientredhead
08-21-2008, 10:22 PM
I think LE is onto them & probably expect them to start trying to blame people she knows.
The Zenaida lie was such a bust & the generic kidnapper wasn't very effective either.
I just hope all her friends have lawyers.... they shouldn't be harassed just because they knew a lying, baby mis-manager.
Maybe the whole group can hire the same lawyer & save time & some money..... it's going to be the same boring allegations over & over anyway. lol
I think this friend plan is not well thought out at all. These are the exact people who saw what she was doing during that crucial time window. They will be key to the prosecution, they have to already be disgusted with her, add pissed off for implying they might have something to do with it and I think it is very poorly thought out.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:22 PM
I would be "renting" them space in my yard. LOL:Banane24:
Me too and I also agree with the food/drinks idea for $$$!! :clap:
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:22 PM
Reward Hotline: GET OFF THE PHONE, CASEY!!!!!
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::bowdown::floorlaugh::bowd own:
I think LE is onto them & probably expect them to start trying to blame people she knows.
The Zenaida lie was such a bust & the generic kidnapper wasn't very effective either.
I just hope all her friends have lawyers.... they shouldn't be harassed just because they knew a lying, baby mis-manager.
Maybe the whole group can hire the same lawyer & save time & some money..... it's going to be the same boring allegations over & over anyway. lol
like a class action lawsuit against casey
Patty G
08-21-2008, 10:23 PM
George needs to go and get the billboard now and park it in the driveway!
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:24 PM
At least he admitted that much. There is no ZG...........
I found his attitude totally different tonight from previous interviews. SOMETHING is up and he has found out this is all a lie...........Now he has to worry if his money is going to go poof.....He is running in place with no where to go now...:treadmill:
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:24 PM
the grand parents will have ZERO friends
if they continue this charade
how do they sleep at night ?
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:25 PM
They need to start raising hands to speak..it's annoying.
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:25 PM
the grand parents will have ZERO friends
if they continue this charade
how do they sleep at night ?
1 word DRUGS...lol
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:26 PM
1 word DRUGS...lol
from the mommy stash
Boston
08-21-2008, 10:26 PM
If Casey sold Caylee then where is the Money & why would she have to steal $700 from Amy?
JBean
08-21-2008, 10:27 PM
I don't know for how much longer the neighbors will tolerate all those vehicles on the street. Most of the streets have ordinances and once I saw that big trailer ... not sure that is going to stay there very long.
The one house right across the street from the Anthony's their lawn is down to dirt. I wonder if the media is paying a fee per day to sit on these people's lawns.
School started this week in Florida and school buses have to get through the streets etc., etc.
What a friggin mess!
I was JUST thinking about this PG. It is a big issue where the stars live because when the news is all over Britney, they are all over the neighbors too. It is a problem.
I wish the media would go home and stop fueling the fire of this crazy frenzy. jmho of course.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:27 PM
George needs to go and get the billboard now and park it in the driveway!
OMG, I'd forgotten about that. Where did he put it anyway? Too bad it can't be right outside Casey's bedroom window. :)
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:27 PM
The Panel:
Ted Williams.................he admits he was wrong. He's sickened by the circus going on. He challenges LP to add that bond money to the reward money.
Jeff Brown.............this is a nightmare for a criminal defense lawyer.
Michael Cardoza...........Is she going to help - no. He thinks Casey sold Caylee.
Greta say we need to know what forensics were in the trunk. If Casey doesn't talk, and the forensics don't show a body in the trunk, the prosecution is in trouble.
burningsky22
08-21-2008, 10:27 PM
OMG, I'd forgotten about that. Where did he put it anyway? Too bad it can't be right outside Casey's bedroom window. :)
Turn it on its side and make her sleep on it.
JBean
08-21-2008, 10:28 PM
The Panel:
Ted Williams.................he admits he was wrong. He's sickened by the circus going on. He challenges LP to add that bond money to the reward money.
Jeff Brown.............this is a nightmare for a criminal defense lawyer.
Michael Cardoza...........Is she going to help - no. He thinks Casey sold Caylee.
Greta say we need to know what forensics were in the trunk. If Casey doesn't talk, and the forensics don't show a body in the trunk, the prosecution is in trouble.
This is the heart of the matter.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:28 PM
the grand parents will have ZERO friends
if they continue this charade
how do they sleep at night ?
"Zanny"???
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:28 PM
I found his attitude totally different tonight from previous interviews. SOMETHING is up and he has found out this is all a lie...........Now he has to worry if his money is going to go poof.....He is running in place with no where to go now...:treadmill:
Your rrrrrrrrrrrrrright!!!!
Inch High PI
08-21-2008, 10:29 PM
OMG, I'd forgotten about that. Where did he put it anyway? Too bad it can't be right outside Casey's bedroom window. :)
...or smack in the middle of the Living Room
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:30 PM
from the mommy stash
Well she's out now and can dig up the GOOD drugs that she buried in the back yard with the shovel........:dance::chillpill:
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:30 PM
she didnt sell the baby if they DNA tests come back ( WHICH I THINK THEY WILL ) and the tests show a dead body in the trunk
DeltaDawn
08-21-2008, 10:31 PM
George needs to go and get the billboard now and park it in the driveway!
LOL...I love that Patty..where in the heck is that billboard..I guess they think they don't need it now. I thought that Padilla would atleast be smart enough to say to the kidnappers "drop Caylee off at any hospital..no questions asked" That is state policy yes..if you feel the need to abandon a child ..do it at any hospitol..they will take it from there? Where in the He** did he come up with a pharmacy?
jd_martin
08-21-2008, 10:31 PM
Baez looks a little unsure.
SuziQ
08-21-2008, 10:31 PM
Boy, that bus horn is getting louder and louder.
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
bessie
08-21-2008, 10:31 PM
Baez says they're all spending a "relaxing evening at home!!!!!"""" AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry.
Muzikman
08-21-2008, 10:32 PM
Leonard contradicted himself twice on Greta.
I don't remember whether it was on Nancy Grace or one of the local news shows, but he said Casey did NOT thank him for getting her bailed out. On Greta he says she did.
He also did not mention anything earlier about a cordon of cops escorting them to the vehicle. He said earlier that the Lawyer's people were to handle that, and his team took over at the vehicle itself.
I'm afraid he's coming down with the Anthony Lying Syndrome!
wedavis
08-21-2008, 10:32 PM
Greta said EXACTLY what was on my mind:
Baez-we will be going over her defense (first) and then talk about finding Caylee (second).
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 10:33 PM
OMG, I'd forgotten about that. Where did he put it anyway? Too bad it can't be right outside Casey's bedroom window. :)
Like she'd care.
After all, she knows Caylee is safe & will be home soon. :rolleyes:
MarleneM
08-21-2008, 10:33 PM
Baez on what they've done thus far: A relaxing evening at home?
Baez on what they plan to do starting tomorrow: Assist with her defense?
THEY feel uncomfortable to talk?? I wonder how comfortable Caylee is right now.
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:33 PM
phone records
computer records
receipts
DNA tests
lies
with the above, they will get her
police are really quiet
thats a good sign.
she killed her. and dumped her
she will confess
MY OPINION
Muzikman
08-21-2008, 10:33 PM
Baez says the primary defense is finding Caylee?
Then why didn't he spend the last MONTH trying to do that instead of bailing Casey out???!!!
He gets more weasely every week,
DeltaDawn
08-21-2008, 10:34 PM
Baez says they're all spending a "relaxing evening at home!!!!!"""" AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry.
In Anthony speak would that mean hitting the bottle, arguing over the remote and then asking, "Hey, where the He** did you last leave Caylee?"
sleuthmommy
08-21-2008, 10:34 PM
I found his attitude totally different tonight from previous interviews. SOMETHING is up and he has found out this is all a lie...........Now he has to worry if his money is going to go poof.....He is running in place with no where to go now...:treadmill:
He did seem different tonight. He's just kind of along for the ride now. He really had no idea what he was getting himself into when he decided to join this circus. He really didn't. And it shows. The fact that he didn't say really much to her at all and all she said was thanks for bailing me out. That's it? Not what he thought it was going to be, I would venture to guess.......
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Baez looks a little unsure.
He is very humble tonight.............interesting all of a sudden Casey's stongest defenders are backing off.
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Baez says they're all spending a "relaxing evening at home!!!!!"""" AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry.
Caylee isn't:furious:
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Baez says they're all spending a "relaxing evening at home!!!!!"""" AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry.
Yes, but did you catch the "we"..."we just got done eating dinner...we spent a relaxing evening at home..."?????
MarleneM
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Does Baez even know Caylee's name? He keeps referring to her as "the child". How about his client's DAUGHTER at the very least? It's like he's trying to get people to stop personalizing the situation.
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
JB HAS SUNK HIS SHIP! He is a mediocre attorney at best. Busted tonight by Greta....
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Baez saying IF the DNA results aren't back..insinuating they are back and they aren't telling..wow
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:36 PM
Jose Baez.............they just finished having dinner and will have a relaxing night at home. Tomorrow they start work, retracing steps.......working out the defense and looking for the child. Finding Caylee is her best defense. Now that she's released, they're comfortable talking. He thinks they were being taped in jail. He's convinced Caylee is alive.
Greta pointed out a lie Cindy told. Baez side-stepped that. He thinks the lab results are back and they're withholding. He's playing middle of the road.
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:36 PM
Baez saying IF the DNA results aren't back..insinuating they are back and they aren't telling..wow
he is a loser
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 10:36 PM
Now I want to smack Baez!!! Relaxing evening my a$$. So Greta says, what is the next step?
He says....PREPARING HER DEFENSE???? WTF? We were told that she would be able to help find Caylee. BSBSBSBSBS.
I hope and pray that LE are being super quiet so they can nail this chick to tha WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:furious:
IntriguedMind
08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
Yes, but did you catch the "we"..."we just got done eating dinner...we spent a relaxing evening at home..."?????
Is it normal for the defense attorney to basically live with the client to ensure they never speak to LE or anyone else??
Seems odd to me? or is that pretty common?
What is he protecting so much aside from casey's guilt..... :blowkiss:
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
Okay question..I was typing and not listening..so does LE by law HAVE to tell the defense when the DNA test results are back? He was saying something about them still being in the scope of "discovery" is there like a time limit or something? Utterly confused here.
wedavis
08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
Does anyone know why LE would be obligated to share the results of the forensics test with Baez if homicide charges haven't been filed?
Pixie_Dust
08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
[QUOTE=LI_Mom;2536129]I'm with you guys.
they'll make sure its over 150 feet away from the house and use the excuse she cant go that far to participate in the vigil
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
Baez on what they've done thus far: A relaxing evening at home?
Baez on what they plan to do starting tomorrow: Assist with her defense?
THEY feel uncomfortable to talk?? I wonder how comfortable Caylee is right now.
WHY would they feel "uncomfortable" to talk? The family would not have privilege is why...........
How can ANYONE relax :furious:when they have a child out there if not dead may be in danger. IDIOTS ALL ~~ Including that lawyer
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
How special...when meeting with Casey he would have to lean into her to speak to her so they wouldn't heard!
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 10:38 PM
I'm afraid he's coming down with the Anthony Lying Syndrome!
I think the ONLY reason Baez & the GPs agreed to let Padilla join their circus is because he showed he's a team player..... right from the very beginning he was dutifully repeating the same silly story THEY had been dishing to the media.
I think what we're seeing is that he really didn't think he wouldn't be able to have provate access to the brat & he's feeling like an idiot spending $50,000 all for nothing.
IMO, he never really believed she DIDN'T kill Caylee... he wanted to be the hero & be the one to find out where the body is.
He's really a terrible liar.... maybe before he heads back to Calif, Casey can give him some lessons.... it's the least she can do.
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:38 PM
Like she'd care.
After all, she knows Caylee is safe & will be home soon. :rolleyes:
Oh, that's right! Why do I keep forgetting that? :doh:
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 10:38 PM
Baez saying IF the DNA results aren't back..insinuating they are back and they aren't telling..wow
That was a loaded statement...he new what he was doing
MarleneM
08-21-2008, 10:38 PM
Yes, but did you catch the "we"..."we just got done eating dinner...we spent a relaxing evening at home..."?????
Yes, and I wondered how many other attorney's spend so much personal time with their clients? I'm trying to not draw conclusions, but when something doesn't set right it does raise a flag in my mind.
shannon718
08-21-2008, 10:38 PM
He is very humble tonight.............interesting all of a sudden Casey's stongest defenders are backing off.
Yeah..well the damage is already done. Miss Thing is chillin at home instead of in a cold jail cell where she should be. That's okay Padilla.....karma is a bit**
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:38 PM
he is a loser
lol he talks too slow I feel like slapping the back of his head...slow talkers=liars in my book. I know he is trying to calculate every step so he doesn't "slip up" but still.........
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 10:39 PM
Yes, but did you catch the "we"..."we just got done eating dinner...we spent a relaxing evening at home..."?????
oh yeah - and how they felt uncomfortable in the jail (thinking they were bugged) so he had to lean in CLOSE to her? I told myself I would watch NG and then read my mag and go to bed - now I've turned it to Greta and I'm pissed!
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:39 PM
How special...when meeting with Casey he would have to lean into her to speak to her so they wouldn't heard!
Just like when they were leaving the jail today. :blowkiss:
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:39 PM
sugar coating things is always the easy way out of things INITIALLY
sugar coating things with kids is putting a band aid on things
these people sugar coated her LIES her whole life
sugar coating tastes good at first and then it bites you right in the face
passin_through
08-21-2008, 10:39 PM
wish I could read Greta's mind, there was something about the way she closed with Baez, somber-like.
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
he is a loser
Horrible attorney...
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
That was a loaded statement...he new what he was doing
Totally...I personally think they have been back for a while but my question is does LE have to share that with him...
feddup
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
LOL...I love that Patty..where in the heck is that billboard..I guess they think they don't need it now. I thought that Padilla would atleast be smart enough to say to the kidnappers "drop Caylee off at any hospital..no questions asked" That is state policy yes..if you feel the need to abandon a child ..do it at any hospitol..they will take it from there? Where in the He** did he come up with a pharmacy?
Fire Stations, too.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
Does anyone know why LE would be obligated to share the results of the forensics test with Baez if homicide charges haven't been filed?
They don't unless it applies to charges she is charged with now.
With new charges they would, but I personally think they are going to let Casey and that whole family self destruct and THEN file their charges. They don't have to be in a hurry............time is on their side.
MarleneM
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
How special...when meeting with Casey he would have to lean into her to speak to her so they wouldn't heard!
Yeah. Caught that too. Almost sounded like he was trying to excuse something no one would have thought much about - until he started making excuses for it as if it were on his mind.
shannon718
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
How special...when meeting with Casey he would have to lean into her to speak to her so they wouldn't heard!
I'm fine with it. I don't want to hear anymore of their lies anyway. Thats all that comes out when those mouths open.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
wish I could read Greta's mind, there was something about the way she closed with Baez, somber-like.
I think she picked up on something he said that I missed...........I will replay that later.
Boston
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
Baez wants to Relaz & prepare Casey's defense - Padilla wants to Wait a week & see what happens - The Body guards are going to stay with Casey 24-7 to make sure she is safe.....WHO IS LOOKING FOR CAYLEE?
EastSideOfSaddness
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
Baez says the primary defense is finding Caylee?
Then why didn't he spend the last MONTH trying to do that instead of bailing Casey out???!!!
He gets more weasely every week,
That is not his primary goal, to find Caylee. Casey is his client and it's his main priority to defend her. That's just the way it is.
Yes, he is a weasle, I agree.
RoseRed
08-21-2008, 10:42 PM
she didnt sell the baby if they DNA tests come back ( WHICH I THINK THEY WILL ) and the tests show a dead body in the trunk
I don't think she sold the baby but I do believe the baby is alive.
amethyst221
08-21-2008, 10:42 PM
It sort of took the wind out of Jose's sails, since he couldn't use the line about the hideous media. Previous panelists had said he should be glad the media was keeping Caylee's name out there. Oops. He also came dangerously close to repeating that line that we should all get out there and find "this child," while the family and their censor have a relaxing dinner. Hot air.
Leila
08-21-2008, 10:43 PM
I don't know for how much longer the neighbors will tolerate all those vehicles on the street. Most of the streets have ordinances and once I saw that big trailer ... not sure that is going to stay there very long.
The one house right across the street from the Anthony's their lawn is down to dirt. I wonder if the media is paying a fee per day to sit on these people's lawns.
School started this week in Florida and school buses have to get through the streets etc., etc.
What a friggin mess!
The vehicle is a motorhome, and I'd estimate it's about 36 - 40 feet long. When you've got a vehicle that big parked at the curb, it's difficult seeing oncoming traffic.
As for the neighbors, I'd be very upset with this whole mess. They have problems getting in and out of their own driveway. They have people loitering on the street trampling on the lawns, and noise.
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 10:43 PM
wish I could read Greta's mind, there was something about the way she closed with Baez, somber-like.
I missed that - like what do you think it means? I think these 'heads' are coming into the conclusion that she may very well WALK. :furious:
robotdog
08-21-2008, 10:43 PM
They don't unless it applies to charges she is charged with now.
With new charges they would, but I personally think they are going to let Casey and that whole family self destruct and THEN file their charges. They don't have to be in a hurry............time is on their side.
yep:40__s:
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:43 PM
:sick::sick::liar::Banane45::beats::censored::geni e::genie::eye::hug::hug::toastred::toastred:Just like when they were leaving the jail today. :blowkiss:
shannon718
08-21-2008, 10:44 PM
I don't think she sold the baby but I do believe the baby is alive.
Right. And some other random person that no one is missing or talking about was dead in that trunk...as well as the backyard. Who do you think was decomposing in the trunk?
kathyn2
08-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Does anyone know if it is legal for LE to put some bugs at the Anthony home and not tell them? IF it is do you think they have done that?
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Okay question..I was typing and not listening..so does LE by law HAVE to tell the defense when the DNA test results are back? He was saying something about them still being in the scope of "discovery" is there like a time limit or something? Utterly confused here.
What I got from posture and doublespeak is that Baez is grasping and afraid for his client. I don't think DNA is in, but he is certainly posturing...
bessie
08-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Yes, but did you catch the "we"..."we just got done eating dinner...we spent a relaxing evening at home..."?????
Yes, "we". So, now he's a member of the cozy little Anthony household? He's slicker than *****, trying to draw a pretty little picture for us. If these people can actually "relax" and "enjoy" a meal, an evening at home, they're sicker than I thought.
Yes, Lisa, Caylee isn't, is she.
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Yeah. Caught that too. Almost sounded like he was trying to excuse something no one would have thought much about - until he started making excuses for it as if it were on his mind.
Yeah maybe some officer in the jail saw them leaning..... :eek:
amethyst221
08-21-2008, 10:45 PM
Baez wants to Relaz & prepare Casey's defense - Padilla wants to Wait a week & see what happens - The Body guards are going to stay with Casey 24-7 to make sure she is safe.....WHO IS LOOKING FOR CAYLEE?
What kind of benign kidnappers, purchasers of children or finders of mismanaged children have her, that they can still relax and not start finding her? We couldn't talk about it jail, because conditions weren't optimal. Now we gotta rest up. This is just crazy.
KR2tonenow
08-21-2008, 10:45 PM
They entered the NOT guilty plea today in court. There is no DNA results as of today.
Baez, IMO, looks quite smug.
There are death threats against Casey, and family.
There is a vigil planned on Sunday. They will all be there praying for Caylee. In the meantime, Baez is prepping his IT girl for trial in November. By then everyone will feel sorry for Casey and she'll walk.
In the meantime, Caylee will never be found. If money was the motive to turn over Caylee, it would have been done already.
Casey is set now, if she follows the rules till Nov and acts like the grieving mother, she's home free.
IMO
Baez sure seems emotionally attached already. Is there a wedding in the works as well?
yolorado
08-21-2008, 10:45 PM
Baez on what they've done thus far: A relaxing evening at home?
Baez on what they plan to do starting tomorrow: Assist with her defense?
THEY feel uncomfortable to talk?? I wonder how comfortable Caylee is right now.
Yeah, it's always more relaxing when you don't have to chase a todler around. :loser:
Geez, I can't believe he said that they ARE SPENDING A RELAXING FAMILY EVENING at home. :mad: It so relaxing when you don't know who your child is with or where the child is...or you do know but your child is with such scary people that the only way you can protect your child is to not help the police find them. So relaxing.
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:46 PM
lol he talks too slow I feel like slapping the back of his head...slow talkers=liars in my book. I know he is trying to calculate every step so he doesn't "slip up" but still.........
You are exactly right....slow talkers, time to think, spitting out "mistruths"
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:47 PM
Baez wants to Relaz & prepare Casey's defense - Padilla wants to Wait a week & see what happens - The Body guards are going to stay with Casey 24-7 to make sure she is safe.....WHO IS LOOKING FOR CAYLEE?
Nobody in er family :furious: They been sitting on their asses. :furious:
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 10:47 PM
oh yeah - and how they felt uncomfortable in the jail (thinking they were bugged) so he had to lean in CLOSE to her? I told myself I would watch NG and then read my mag and go to bed - now I've turned it to Greta and I'm pissed!
I'm not sure what his angle is by presenting his attorney/client relationship as so personal...he is not a stupid man, he has to know that the public is going to read into his actions and statements. He should be using proper terms and names like my client, Casey Anthony or "I had dinner with the Anthony family and THEY are relaxing at home..." not "WE"
...and I thought I was done after I put my children to bed but Greta lured me back, ugh
Bless you little Caylee!
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:49 PM
Yes, and I wondered how many other attorney's spend so much personal time with their clients? I'm trying to not draw conclusions, but when something doesn't set right it does raise a flag in my mind.
I'm with you too, and the only thing that makes sense is she's on house arrest and she can't go to his office without permission so maybe that's why he's seeing her at home? I'm trying not to think there's anything else going on!! :)
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 10:49 PM
You are exactly right....slow talkers, time to think, spitting out "mistruths"
No doubt Baez is not good with media...he was sooo terrible in the begining he looked like a real quack but he slips up a lot less now
Boston
08-21-2008, 10:50 PM
What kind of benign kidnappers, purchasers of children or finders of mismanaged children have her, that they can still relax and not start finding her? We couldn't talk about it jail, because conditions weren't optimal. Now we gotta rest up. This is just crazy.
I know....Just ask her a simple question..."Who did you drop Caylee off with & at what location" Start from there
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 10:50 PM
Guys I just can't anymore tonight. Gonna go do something a little more refreshing. Going to clean the litter box its starting smell like the crap I've been smelling in the case.
Carry on....
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:50 PM
No doubt Baez is not good with media...he was sooo terrible in the begining he looked like a real quack but he slips up a lot less now
Tonight was bad....Greta had him on hackles...:boohoo:
MD MOMMY
08-21-2008, 10:50 PM
You are exactly right....slow talkers, time to think, spitting out "mistruths"
Which is why I get myself in trouble...I talk 100 miles an hour..I could NEVER make it as an attorney..NEVER.
miss plum
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
Baez: "...all that she is charged with is child neglect and until we see some evidence otherwise I'm going to err on the side that this child is still alive."
'err' is probably not the word he really wanted to use here, but it was a good choice nonetheless.
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
Guys I just can't anymore tonight. Gonna go do something a little more refreshing. Going to clean the litter box its starting smell like the crap I've been smelling in the case.
Carry on....
SO IS MINE! :eek:
RoseRed
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
[quote=LI_Mom;2536129]I'm with you guys.
they'll make sure its over 150 feet away from the house and use the excuse she cant go that far to participate in the vigil
All they have to say is she has received too many death threats to be outside with strangers. Most likely the truth.
gibby207
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
Which is why I get myself in trouble...I talk 100 miles an hour..I could NEVER make it as an attorney..NEVER.
Me either, and I'm a horrible liar. I can't even keep a Christmas present a secret...ask my husband....:blushing::eek:
yolorado
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
I just wish Greta had said, "How the frig can you people relax when Caylee is still missing!?"
amethyst221
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
I think he's just hanging out today, trying to set the ground rules and making sure they behave a little. and getting his face on TV to start the defense/PR rolling.
DianeB
08-21-2008, 10:52 PM
Does anyone know if it is legal for LE to put some bugs at the Anthony home and not tell them? IF it is do you think they have done that?If they can get a judge to authorize it, they sure could.
And the last thing they'd do is reveal it to anyone who ever steps foot in that house. I'm sure Baez has warned them of the possibility that listening devices may be in play.
For the legal minds here, let's say the house is wired and that a bug picks up a conversation between two or more people that can be interpreted as them 'getting a story straight' about whatever the next Anthony Family Players performance is going to be.
Would that be enough to get the participants charged with offenses against RICO statutes if LE eventually charges Casey in connection with the death of her daughter?
panthera
08-21-2008, 10:52 PM
Guys I just can't anymore tonight. Gonna go do something a little more refreshing. Going to clean the litter box its starting smell like the crap I've been smelling in the case.
Carry on....
I have three litter boxes in the house and they all smell much better than this case!! :D Have a good night!
yolorado
08-21-2008, 10:53 PM
Baez: "...all that she is charged with is child neglect and until we see some evidence otherwise I'm going to err on the side that this child is still alive."
'err' is probably not the word he really wanted to use here, but it was a good choice nonetheless.
Good one. I didn't catch that.
wallflower67
08-21-2008, 10:53 PM
Jose Baez.............they just finished having dinner and will have a relaxing night at home. Tomorrow they start work, retracing steps.......working out the defense and looking for the child. Finding Caylee is her best defense. Now that she's released, they're comfortable talking. He thinks they were being taped in jail. He's convinced Caylee is alive.
Greta pointed out a lie Cindy told. Baez side-stepped that. He thinks the lab results are back and they're withholding. He's playing middle of the road.
They are not LEGALLY alowed to tape attorney/client meetings in prisons. NOt saying some don't. But you are supposed to have the right to legal defense per the constitution, and you are also allowed to not incrminate yourself. Taping would destroy the attny/client confidentiatlity.
kidz110
08-21-2008, 10:53 PM
wish I could read Greta's mind, there was something about the way she closed with Baez, somber-like.
That is how I feel after watching this. No one she interviewed mentioned Caylee. She had to ask. Their first thought was of Casey and her comfort and defense. I feel a real sadness for that little girl tonight.
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 10:54 PM
I'm with you too, and the only thing that makes sense is she's on house arrest and she can't go to his office without permission so maybe that's why he's seeing her at home? I'm trying not to think there's anything else going on!! :)
It's not the amount of time he's spent with her that sends me red flags...this is a high profile case and I'm sure she is a high maintenance client, it's his language and terminology that seems suspect, almost purposeful...there is just no telling what these 2 have drummed up
kathyn2
08-21-2008, 10:55 PM
I think Casey is going to walk too. Hate to say it but I do. I really really think if LE had ANYTHING AT ALL she wouldn't be home right now. I also think Baez is smart enough to do a deal on these neglect charges and get her a low jail amount. I think she will get a little jail time. Maybe 6 months and thats it. I tend to doubt it will go to trial.
I missed that - like what do you think it means? I think these 'heads' are coming into the conclusion that she may very well WALK. :furious:
wallflower67
08-21-2008, 10:55 PM
Is it normal for the defense attorney to basically live with the client to ensure they never speak to LE or anyone else??
Seems odd to me? or is that pretty common?
What is he protecting so much aside from casey's guilt..... :blowkiss:
Is Baez a public defender? He must be getting paid a lot to spend all of his time on one client, including practially living with her. Though I'm sure it would be hard for him to get other clients right now.
amethyst221
08-21-2008, 10:55 PM
IF police could listen in legally, and heard people planning false testimony, yes, they could charge them with a crime eventually. If you heard them making stuff up, then they came into court and said it, it would be perjury. That's a big if, though.
Pixie_Dust
08-21-2008, 10:56 PM
[quote=justme_19862002;2536183]
All they have to say is she has received too many death threats to be outside with strangers. Most likely the truth.
but as cindy said at one time she would do anything for her daughter and what she is doing will win her MOTHER OF THE YEAR AWARD. so that is just a risk a mother would take and after all she didnt do anything wrong and she wants to hold her head up high!!!!
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 10:57 PM
Baez: "...all that she is charged with is child neglect and until we see some evidence otherwise I'm going to err on the side that this child is still alive."
'err' is probably not the word he really wanted to use here, but it was a good choice nonetheless.
yes, when he sees the replay he will definitely be sorry he used that term, probably already is kicking himself for it
DeltaDawn
08-21-2008, 10:57 PM
Okay question..I was typing and not listening..so does LE by law HAVE to tell the defense when the DNA test results are back? He was saying something about them still being in the scope of "discovery" is there like a time limit or something? Utterly confused here.
No they do not have to tell him. If DNA was back that lead to further charges he wouldn't know at this point..and won't know until the GJ brings in charges to hold her on capitol murder. That's my feeling that the prosecution, meaning the DA will go for Capitol Murder once the results of all the forensics are in ..and other evidence ..such as friends, etc testimony. Then he still will not know any of the evidence until he files motions for discovery of the evidence.
The prosecution has until November, her next hearing on these current charges, to come forward with more concrete charges through the GJ if they want to follow through with that route. That means they have time to get everything right and in order. After she is charged with murder, not before , the defense can and will file motions to see what cards the prosecution is holding. To me, the defense talking about the DNA at this point leads me they believe further charges will be coming....otherwise they wouldn't even discuss the DNA.
kathyn2
08-21-2008, 10:58 PM
I agree with that lady on Nancy Grace tonite that said that she feels that LE was hoping to get a deal with Casey after she sat in jail a long time to show them where the baby is and they wouldn't charge her with the death penalty. The lawyer said thats all off the table now. It will never happen. LE is holding back not having anything and thought she might crack but now she is home safe and sound. No reason to ever say a thing.
SuziQ
08-21-2008, 10:58 PM
You are exactly right....slow talkers, time to think, spitting out "mistruths"
Have you noticed how LP mumbles answers to hot questions? Almost like what a 5 year old would do when they are lying.
RoseRed
08-21-2008, 10:58 PM
Right. And some other random person that no one is missing or talking about was dead in that trunk...as well as the backyard. Who do you think was decomposing in the trunk?
Unless the forensics say a decomposing body was there then in my opinion there wasn't. Without forensics you can not prove a dead body was there.
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 11:00 PM
I think Casey is going to walk too. Hate to say it but I do. I really really think if LE had ANYTHING AT ALL she wouldn't be home right now. I also think Baez is smart enough to do a deal on these neglect charges and get her a low jail amount. I think she will get a little jail time. Maybe 6 months and thats it. I tend to doubt it will go to trial.
I hope we are wrong - but this is starting to remind me of the OJ case. I love our democracy and freedom - but who thought that the justice system could provide so many loopholes for criminals? So here's the deal - don't say a WORD and you can get away with murder? I mean, really! I'm no legal expert, but perhaps I should study up to make sense of this circus.
And you know what bothers me most? I have 2 close girlfriends going through in vitro - desperately trying to conceive. They would have give their eye-teeth for a Caylee....
panthera
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
[quote=justme_19862002;2536183]
All they have to say is she has received too many death threats to be outside with strangers. Most likely the truth.
I think she can only get 150 ft. from the base unit for the ankle monitor. There's a good excuse!
wedavis
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
They don't unless it applies to charges she is charged with now.
With new charges they would, but I personally think they are going to let Casey and that whole family self destruct and THEN file their charges. They don't have to be in a hurry............time is on their side.
How do you know this? Or should I try and google it? :)
KR2tonenow
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
[quote=RoseRed;2536283]
but as cindy said at one time she would do anything for her daughter and what she is doing will win her MOTHER OF THE YEAR AWARD. so that is just a risk a mother would take and after all she didnt do anything wrong and she wants to hold her head up high!!!!
Absolutely, the family is being prepped by Baez now. Mr. Dick is just security for Casey.
They bonded Casey out, and now she is being prepped for this prestagious award. :eek:
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
miss lisa
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
Before I leave...
Caylee, my heart is just broken that you are not at home in your very own little bed with your favorite little stuffed animal and your favorite pj's on safe and sound. Sweet dreams little princess there many here that love you even though they don't know you! Just know we will shout from the roof tops WHERE IS CAYLEE until you are where you belong! God bless you and all the other displaced little children in this world.
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
Is Baez a public defender? He must be getting paid a lot to spend all of his time on one client, including practially living with her. Though I'm sure it would be hard for him to get other clients right now.
No, he's not a public defender, he did however work for the prosecutors office in one of the Central/southern FL counties out of law school, although I do not recall without looking which county
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 11:01 PM
Yes, and I wondered how many other attorney's spend so much personal time with their clients? I'm trying to not draw conclusions, but when something doesn't set right it does raise a flag in my mind.
More than anything, I think Baez has been STAR STRUCK by the media from the get go.
I think he's absolutely the WORST type of lawyer IF the parents want to ever find out what happened to Caylee because he's too eager to enable Casey's lies in the name of defending her against worse charges.
Then again, I believe that's the family's own motive so they're probably satisfied with the job he's doing to keep Casey from saying ANYTHING even remotely honest.
Too bad this will come back to bite them all in court but hey.... IT'S ALL ABOUT CASEY! Always was.
amethyst221
08-21-2008, 11:02 PM
No they do not have to tell him. If DNA wa back that lead to further charges he wouldn't know at this point..and won't know until the GJ brings in charges to hold her on capitol murder. Then he still will not know any of the evidence until he files motions for disvoery of the evidence.
The prosecution has until November, her next hearing on these current charges, to come forward with more concrete chrges through the GJ if they want ot follow through with that route. That means they have time to get everything right and inorder. After she is charged with murder, not before , the defense can and will file motions to see what cards the prosecution is holding. To me, the defense talking about the DNA at this point tlees me they believe further charges will be coming....otherwise they wouldn't even discuss the DNA.
It makes it a little hard for Baez to really plan his strategy, certainly what to say about kidnappers, etc. as he tries his case in the media, if he doesn't know what's coming down the road from the forensics. On the other hand, this nebulous double speak isn't working very well either. One softball interview with Greta had him looking very unsure.
kathyn2
08-21-2008, 11:03 PM
Look at Drew Peterson. Looks like he is getting away with killing at least 2 women and they can't get anything on him to arrest him! I think he looks guilty just with what we know but I guess they think it isn't enough to get a conviction. I would have any problem convicting him myself. He is out dating and living the life of riley while 2 women are in the grave.
I hope we are wrong - but this is starting to remind me of the OJ case. I love our democracy and freedom - but who thought that the justice system could provide so many loopholes for criminals? So here's the deal - don't say a WORD and you can get away with murder? I mean, really! I'm no legal expert, but perhaps I should study up to make sense of this circus.
And you know what bothers me most? I have 2 close girlfriends going through in vitro - desperately trying to conceive. They would have give their eye-teeth for a Caylee....
helloitsme
08-21-2008, 11:05 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
I don't believe she is alive.
But if she is, she must NEVER be returned to the SCUM that is her family.
:mad:
KR2tonenow
08-21-2008, 11:05 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
Ok right, I hear you. Leonard makes a great show. I believe him too.
I really want to believe that Jesse Grund took her or some crazy babysitter.
I really hope they find Caylee.
But it doesn't and isn't playing out that way so far.
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 11:06 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
Uh oh. You drank the kool-aid, didn't you? lol
I guess anything's possible with this crazy make-believe mother. Basically, LE is working with.... 'prove she's dead... I double dog dare ya.'
Poor Caylee.
wallflower67
08-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Me either, and I'm a horrible liar. I can't even keep a Christmas present a secret...ask my husband....:blushing::eek:
LOL! Neither can I!
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 11:06 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
'splain the decomp smell in the trunk and the cadaver dog hits (I ask this without sarcasm - I promise - I want that child to be alive, too... but here's where I can't make sense of it.
wedavis
08-21-2008, 11:06 PM
lol he talks too slow I feel like slapping the back of his head...slow talkers=liars in my book. I know he is trying to calculate every step so he doesn't "slip up" but still.........
Come on guys. Thats just wrong. He is from the South, that is the way they talk.
ThoughtElf
08-21-2008, 11:07 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
I won't jump on you; I am just curious as to why you believe that? And I am kind of hoping you can talk me into seeing it that way. I'd like to believe, but thus far, I am leaning towards a sadder belief.
Pixie_Dust
08-21-2008, 11:07 PM
[quote=RoseRed;2536283]
I think she can only get 150 ft. from the base unit for the ankle monitor. There's a good excuse!
yes panthera, i clicked on the wrong post to comment back on that rosered had said a bout the death threats my post was about the 150 feet excuse..still getting the hand of this ws and posting thing
Inch High PI
08-21-2008, 11:07 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
You should duck alright! But not because of your theory-but because you are a COLONEL fan! LOL (all in good fun-I am a fan of the show too!)
Leila
08-21-2008, 11:07 PM
Totally...I personally think they have been back for a while but my question is does LE have to share that with him...
If and when there's further charges (murder?), they have to share all evidence with the defense attorney. If the lab results are back, they're holding that information until they have to release it. From the view point of LE, they're letting the circus go on while LE continues to gather evidence. When they're ready, they'll make additional charges and then they have to share with Baez - discovery.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:09 PM
Right. And some other random person that no one is missing or talking about was dead in that trunk...as well as the backyard. Who do you think was decomposing in the trunk?
The drug dealer?? ROFL~~:Banane36:
KR2tonenow
08-21-2008, 11:09 PM
Look at Drew Peterson. Looks like he is getting away with killing at least 2 women and they can't get anything on him to arrest him! I think he looks guilty just with what we know but I guess they think it isn't enough to get a conviction. I would have any problem convicting him myself. He is out dating and living the life of riley while 2 women are in the grave.
Correct, there are a number of missing wives out there that are published here on WS. But the personality of Drew reminds me of Casey's personality. They are both pathological and manipulating. I am quite sure Casey has used her ways to manipulate the GDparents and Baez quite easily.
RR0004
08-21-2008, 11:09 PM
I find that very offensive. I am southern and just because I talk slow dosen't men I think slow or am a liar. That is very offensive to all Southern people as we all talk slow and I love the way it sounds.
I think she referred that it was "in her book"...no need to take offense. BTW...I know plenty of southerners who talk a mile a minute. That's why it is this poster's opinion. JMO
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:09 PM
I don't believe she is alive.
But if she is, she must NEVER be returned to the SCUM that is her family.
:mad:
Oh you can count on that. She will never live with ANY of the Anthony family again.
suspicious mind
08-21-2008, 11:09 PM
So basically what Baez is saying is that they have come up with a defense strategy that will address her fear of telling people what happened to Caylee and still offer up anonymity. They have to keep the perps anonymous so that they are not questioned why she did not persue them. So....now if she gets out of jail and starts giving up info, specific info on how to "find Caylee", then that will hurt her defense because it will crush the anonymity factor...so basically the new excuse for not talking is....it will ruin the current defense strategy if the specific info she provides does not produce Caylee. Apparently her attorney has no faith in any information she would provide or felt the info she was planning on providing to her family (lies) should not be givin. It's all about the defense strategy. She has been told, "if you cannot give info that you are 100% sure will bring Caylee home alive, don't give any at all". It could be used against her in court and even her atty knows she is full of sh**!!!!
yolorado
08-21-2008, 11:10 PM
I think Casey is going to walk too. Hate to say it but I do. I really really think if LE had ANYTHING AT ALL she wouldn't be home right now. I also think Baez is smart enough to do a deal on these neglect charges and get her a low jail amount. I think she will get a little jail time. Maybe 6 months and thats it. I tend to doubt it will go to trial.
Who knows what the Orlando cops have, or don't have, or will have, or won't have, but I'm pretty sure they're not going to tell us, at least not now. If Caylee doesn't turn up though, with what we know, with Caylee's mom's lying and her obstruction of the police investigation, with what her mom and dad have said publically, the circumstances of the child's disappearance, I think LE has a decent case to get her for serious jail time, maybe even manslaughter or negligent homicide even without a body, even if there's nothing else. There is absolutely no evidence that this child was kidnapped. I think don't think a jury will believe that for a minute. I thought they'd never get Aaron Thompson who caused his dauther's then said she'd run away. He was out of jail for years until they finally arrested and it looks like they have him dead to rights.
Leila
08-21-2008, 11:10 PM
Does anyone know if it is legal for LE to put some bugs at the Anthony home and not tell them? IF it is do you think they have done that?
They do have to have a warrant signed by a judge. Nowadays, it's not necessary to place any sort of devices in a home. They've got special, very sensitive equipment in mobile vans. They can be parked down the street or around the corner and listen to conversations.
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 11:10 PM
Look at Drew Peterson. Looks like he is getting away with killing at least 2 women and they can't get anything on him to arrest him! I think he looks guilty just with what we know but I guess they think it isn't enough to get a conviction. I would have any problem convicting him myself. He is out dating and living the life of riley while 2 women are in the grave.
You just might be my twin! I totally agree - that Drew is a smug you-know-what. I can't tell you how many times I've thought, where the heck did he put Stacey's body??? Amazing - I guess to be able to commit that sort of crime, your mind is ripe with being able to hide evidence, lie, etc.etc. Sheesh.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:11 PM
uh, what? You are reaching here - I've lived in GA all my life - however I don't think she was talking about an accent or affect for that matter - she was talking about his deliberate slow way of gathering his thoughts and speaking.
I agree........I am a Southerner also and his words were not the "southern drawl" (actually had kind of a northern twang) but slow deliberate speech.
panthera
08-21-2008, 11:11 PM
yes panthera, i clicked on the wrong post to comment back on that rosered had said a bout the death threats my post was about the 150 feet excuse..still getting the hand of this ws and posting thing
It's ok!! :)
Boston
08-21-2008, 11:11 PM
Just for a moment lets assume that LE does have evidence that Caylee is dead & that her body was in the trunk. I pray to God that this is not the case but for the sake of arguement lets assume that they do.They still don't know where the body is & the moment they charge Casey the clock starts ticking on the right to a speedy trial. I think it's to their benefit to let as much time go by as possible before charging her. It gives them time to build their case & hope that the her body is discovered....JMO
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:14 PM
They do have to have a warrant signed by a judge. Nowadays, it's not necessary to place any sort of devices in a home. They've got special, very sensitive equipment in mobile vans. They can be parked down the street or around the corner and listen to conversations.
In a case in this area, they used the house next door.
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 11:14 PM
That is how I feel after watching this. No one she interviewed mentioned Caylee. She had to ask. Their first thought was of Casey and her comfort and defense. I feel a real sadness for that little girl tonight.
Finding Caylee is the LAST THING Baez wants to focus on. His only hope is that they never find a body.
If only he can convince Casey to keep quiet & get her parents to stop that annoying "where's Caylee" business.
Casey is SUCH a hero. If only all daughters & mothers were so brave. :furious:
I wish the media would stop playing into these monsters' hands & start showing them how to really play the "It's all about Caylee" game.
kathyn2
08-21-2008, 11:15 PM
I sure hope they have gotten the warrant and are bugging the place. It may be the only way to get anything on this wench and if it is possible to get a bug on the house I don't know why the judge wouldn't allow it. I just wonder if there is a law that they have to let them know their house is bugged or being listened into. BUT, I don't think Casey is going to say anything at all anyway that is the truth and will be helpful to find Caylee. If she says anything it will all be lies.
They do have to have a warrant signed by a judge. Nowadays, it's not necessary to place any sort of devices in a home. They've got special, very sensitive equipment in mobile vans. They can be parked down the street or around the corner and listen to conversations.
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:15 PM
You just might be my twin! I totally agree - that Drew is a smug you-know-what. I can't tell you how many times I've thought, where the heck did he put Stacey's body??? Amazing - I guess to be able to commit that sort of crime, your mind is ripe with being able to hide evidence, lie, etc.etc. Sheesh.
OH man I agree with you there - but in this case we are dealing with a 22 year old party girl. She does not have half the intelligence or education or life experience that Peterson has. She doesn't even "lie" good - now I know - pathological liar - she's been lying for years BUT she has only had to make up unadult lies (meaning she had not reached the stage of adulthood. Lying and stealing from friends and family are a lot more common in families today.
robotdog
08-21-2008, 11:17 PM
'splain the decomp smell in the trunk and the cadaver dog hits (I ask this without sarcasm - I promise - I want that child to be alive, too... but here's where I can't make sense of it.
exactly
wedavis
08-21-2008, 11:18 PM
No they do not have to tell him. If DNA was back that lead to further charges he wouldn't know at this point..and won't know until the GJ brings in charges to hold her on capitol murder. That's my feeling that the prosecution, meaning the DA will go for Capitol Murder once the results of all the forensics are in ..and other evidence ..such as friends, etc testimony. Then he still will not know any of the evidence until he files motions for discovery of the evidence.
The prosecution has until November, her next hearing on these current charges, to come forward with more concrete charges through the GJ if they want to follow through with that route. That means they have time to get everything right and in order. After she is charged with murder, not before , the defense can and will file motions to see what cards the prosecution is holding. To me, the defense talking about the DNA at this point leads me they believe further charges will be coming....otherwise they wouldn't even discuss the DNA.
I don't understand why the DA has only until Nov. Why are the two charges even connected?
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:18 PM
Just for a moment lets assume that LE does have evidence that Caylee is dead & that her body was in the trunk. I pray to God that this is not the case but for the sake of arguement lets assume that they do.They still don't know where the body is & the moment they charge Casey the clock starts ticking on the right to a speedy trial. I think it's to their benefit to let as much time go by as possible before charging her. It gives them time to build their case & hope that the her body is discovered....JMO
This is exactly why I believe she is alive. Ok - we know they have had prelim results for a LONG time now. The others - well maybe not ALL but - oh yea - they have some.
Its either inconclusive or its not Caylee. If LE can say in a somewhat positive manner that Caylee is dead - they would have let the family know. Its past cruel with the amount of time now.
tiffertots
08-21-2008, 11:19 PM
All I can say is WOW - Greta was pretty powerful tonight. Haven't seen NG yet (Big Brother Fan Club here - GO COLONEL!!!). I'll watch her later.
I'm going to go WAY OUT on a limb tonight. I have my reasons for doing this. I have come across as sorta being on the fence. But, I think, (OMG - please don't hurt me ya'll) tonight I'm going to take a stand. I TRULY BELIEVE that Caylee is alive. Get ready for this "circus" to get even stranger.
Now please don't just attack me. I am willing to "debate" any question you might have for me as to the how, what, why and how of it all. And I do not hold to EXACTLY one scenerio as to what is going on, so don't just ask me for my "theory". My theory is she is alive.
Ok - now I"m going to duck!!!!!!
I commend you on your bravery!! I have stated from the beginning that I thought Caylee is alive, and have caught a lot of crap for it. Someone even wanted to know how to ignore me because of it. And I wasn't really trying to argue, just voice my opinion....welcome to the other side. Although it does get quite lonely at times! :-)
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:19 PM
Just for a moment lets assume that LE does have evidence that Caylee is dead & that her body was in the trunk. I pray to God that this is not the case but for the sake of arguement lets assume that they do.They still don't know where the body is & the moment they charge Casey the clock starts ticking on the right to a speedy trial. I think it's to their benefit to let as much time go by as possible before charging her. It gives them time to build their case & hope that the her body is discovered....JMO
They are not going to blow this one by going too soon. There is NO statute of limitations on murder and they have nothing to gain by filing charges too soon.
I wonder if they have what they need for the case against Casey, but feel someone else is involved and tightening up that noose first so they have someone to turn state's evidence. When more than one is involved, it is amazing how they "squeal like a banshee" to stop from going to jail themselves.
liltigress
08-21-2008, 11:20 PM
oh yeah - and how they felt uncomfortable in the jail (thinking they were bugged) so he had to lean in CLOSE to her? I told myself I would watch NG and then read my mag and go to bed - now I've turned it to Greta and I'm pissed!
There it is again. He's offering up too much information! I keep seeing this type of behavior when each one of these players start talking.
I'm not gonna be able to NOT form opinions on this if it doesn't stop! That little piece on leaving the jail and her squishing cheeks with Baez, that just gave me the oddest feeling. She looks receptive to him, intimate. NOT scared and hiding her face.
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:20 PM
I sure hope they have gotten the warrant and are bugging the place. It may be the only way to get anything on this wench and if it is possible to get a bug on the house I don't know why the judge wouldn't allow it. I just wonder if there is a law that they have to let them know their house is bugged or being listened into. BUT, I don't think Casey is going to say anything at all anyway that is the truth and will be helpful to find Caylee. If she says anything it will all be lies.
IMO They have (warrant)
They do (have equip in place - prob for a while now)
and
They are (currently can prob hear a gnat fart in that house 24/7)
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 11:21 PM
[quote=panthera;2536369]
yes panthera, i clicked on the wrong post to comment back on that rosered had said a bout the death threats my post was about the 150 feet excuse..still getting the hand of this ws and posting thing
Maybe she can pretend she's starring in "Disturbia Part 2" except she's the one on house arrest AND the one being spied on.
But not to worry.... she gets to play the killer!
I see an Oscar in her future. lol
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:22 PM
They are not going to blow this one by going too soon. There is NO statute of limitations on murder and they have nothing to gain by filing charges too soon.
I wonder if they have what they need for the case against Casey, but feel someone else is involved and tightening up that noose first so they have someone to turn state's evidence. When more than one is involved, it is amazing how they "squeal like a banshee" to stop from going to jail themselves.
That's it - there is (at least) one more people involved. Count on it.
RoseRed
08-21-2008, 11:22 PM
Just for a moment lets assume that LE does have evidence that Caylee is dead & that her body was in the trunk.
If they have that proof then they don't need a body.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:22 PM
OH man I agree with you there - but in this case we are dealing with a 22 year old party girl. She does not have half the intelligence or education or life experience that Peterson has. She doesn't even "lie" good - now I know - pathological liar - she's been lying for years BUT she has only had to make up unadult lies (meaning she had not reached the stage of adulthood. Lying and stealing from friends and family are a lot more common in families today.
Think...........WHO does have that experience and was in LE?
robotdog
08-21-2008, 11:24 PM
just when in the heck was she going to tell someone she was missing ?
2 months later
6 months later
NEVER- she was happing clubbing it up
and would have run off with someone
tiffertots
08-21-2008, 11:25 PM
They are not going to blow this one by going too soon. There is NO statute of limitations on murder and they have nothing to gain by filing charges too soon.
I wonder if they have what they need for the case against Casey, but feel someone else is involved and tightening up that noose first so they have someone to turn state's evidence. When more than one is involved, it is amazing how they "squeal like a banshee" to stop from going to jail themselves.
If Casey is tried and convicted of felony child neglect, and later evidence is found to prove she murdered Caylee, they cannot prosecute her for murder. It's similar to Double Jeopardy. I'll find the website for that and post it.
Boston
08-21-2008, 11:25 PM
This is exactly why I believe she is alive. Ok - we know they have had prelim results for a LONG time now. The others - well maybe not ALL but - oh yea - they have some.
Its either inconclusive or its not Caylee. If LE can say in a somewhat positive manner that Caylee is dead - they would have let the family know. Its past cruel with the amount of time now.
Maybe they did & the family refuses to believe it.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:26 PM
That little piece on leaving the jail and her squishing cheeks with Baez, that just gave me the oddest feeling. She looks receptive to him, intimate. NOT scared and hiding her face.
I picked up on the same thing. I got the impression she was "working" him.
suspicious mind
08-21-2008, 11:27 PM
This is exactly why I believe she is alive. Ok - we know they have had prelim results for a LONG time now. The others - well maybe not ALL but - oh yea - they have some.
Its either inconclusive or its not Caylee. If LE can say in a somewhat positive manner that Caylee is dead - they would have let the family know. Its past cruel with the amount of time now.
They may have told the family, but they just don't believe it. They discount every other piece of evidence that Casey is a liar, what would stop them from saying the dna was wrong.
ThoughtElf
08-21-2008, 11:27 PM
I'm still convinced LE is going to come through.
For them this case is a bit like making slow-cooked comfort food. They've started off with the basic ingredients (not prime cuts, either). Add a bit of this, and a bit of that. Then put it on the back-burner and let it simmer over low, steady heat - WITH THE LID ON. Stir only as needed. And at the end of the day, you have satisfying comfort food.
Call it Justice Chili
robotdog
08-21-2008, 11:27 PM
If they have that proof then they don't need a body.
i think the reason they are waiting is because they are still colelcting and sifting thru evidence.
if they pull the trigger to quick then it hurts their case
the other thing is - a dead body scent in the trunk will be used by the defense that the KIDNAPPER or FRIEND borrowed or stole the car and killed the baby.
nawwwwwwwwww.. LE has a lot of info we have no idea about
i will bet 1000.00 bucks they NAIL her BIG TIME
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:27 PM
Think...........WHO does have that experience and was in LE?
Well now that's a very loaded question when discussing this case. Let's see:
1) George - GRANDFATHER - last person (other than POI) to see Caylee alive.
2) JG - EX BOYFRIEND/FINANCEE - was thought once to be bio (suppsd paternity test taken and proven not)
3) Ricardo - EX BOYFRIEND/new boyfrend of Amy - has only been "alluded" to as being ex-LE, not be confirmed or verified if this is and if he is ex-LE what department, division, rank, etc.
Now which one are YOU thinking?
LI_Mom
08-21-2008, 11:28 PM
This is exactly why I believe she is alive. Ok - we know they have had prelim results for a LONG time now. The others - well maybe not ALL but - oh yea - they have some.
Its either inconclusive or its not Caylee. If LE can say in a somewhat positive manner that Caylee is dead - they would have let the family know. Its past cruel with the amount of time now.
Although, given the Anthony's staunch defense & outright lies on Casey's behalf... LE might have good motivation to hold off tipping their hand to a family who has made their job so much more difficult.
They're not required by law to tell the family WHEN they get results in, are they??? I doubt it.
I agree from a moral point of view they should BUT I think their first responsibility is to the VICTIM. And if the victim is dead, LE will want the person responsible to pay the price.
Caylee's the ONLY one LE owes anything to, imo.
Boston
08-21-2008, 11:28 PM
If they have that proof then they don't need a body. I know they don't need a body but it would certainly help their case. What I'm trying to say is that why should LE rush to file charges. I think it's in their best interest to do a slow & methodical investigation & leave no stone unturned .....so to speak.
DeltaDawn
08-21-2008, 11:28 PM
I don't understand why the DA has only until Nov. Why are the two charges even connected?
Because they both involve the same circumstance..Caylee being missing.
It is double jeopardy in Florida, from what I understand, to charge someone twice in the same crime.
Therefore, they can either charge her with neglect because her daughter is missing, which they have ...or they can charge her with murder. But if she stands trial for the current charges, then they can't retry the case under new charges. So November is their deadline to find out the truth about what happened to Caylee. No worries..I think that the DA is way ahead and has alot of evidence to show that Casey was involved in Caylee's murder and the coverup..which we are viewing now.
suspicious mind
08-21-2008, 11:28 PM
just when in the heck was she going to tell someone she was missing ?
2 months later
6 months later
NEVER- she was happing clubbing it up
and would have run off with someone
that's what I was just wondering about, it's one thing to perpetuate a lie to people who don't know you have a child, but did she think she was just never going to bring Caylee around Tony etc again?
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:29 PM
If Casey is tried and convicted of felony child neglect, and later evidence is found to prove she murdered Caylee, they cannot prosecute her for murder. It's similar to Double Jeopardy. I'll find the website for that and post it.
I think there is a lot of differing opinions on that by the lawyers, but either way they will charge her before her hearing if they plan to anytime soon.
My brother is an attorney and he says that is not protected under double jeopardy and gave me case law to support his position. I will see if I can find it for you.
STEADFAST
08-21-2008, 11:29 PM
I commend you on your bravery!! I have stated from the beginning that I thought Caylee is alive, and have caught a lot of crap for it. Someone even wanted to know how to ignore me because of it. And I wasn't really trying to argue, just voice my opinion....welcome to the other side. Although it does get quite lonely at times! :-)
I believe about 90% that Caylee is no longer alive, and I base it on the dog hits and how Casey never asks if anyone has news of her, plus the party pics, etc. But if you take away the dog hits, it seems that everything would fit with her selling Caylee.
On the other hand, if she sold Caylee, why would she need a shovel to dig up the bamboo?
Anyway, 10% she sold her child, IMO.
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:31 PM
Maybe they did & the family refuses to believe it.
I respectfully have to say no - if LE had notified the family (aka GP's & Lee) - they (GP's & Lee) would have not been able to contain that info within extended family. We already know of an Uncle and there is 2 sides - Cindy's mom (who is in contact with Uncle) and George's side as well. Holly - family TV friend - they would have told someone - way too many chances for a leak.
I honestly believe that conversation (LE confirming Caylee is "most likely" dead to GP's) has not taken place as of yet.
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 11:31 PM
They are not going to blow this one by going too soon. There is NO statute of limitations on murder and they have nothing to gain by filing charges too soon.
I wonder if they have what they need for the case against Casey, but feel someone else is involved and tightening up that noose first so they have someone to turn state's evidence. When more than one is involved, it is amazing how they "squeal like a banshee" to stop from going to jail themselves.
Like how you think, Turbo! Hoping with fingers crossed that you are right. What makes me believe your theory is that LE has been REALLY quiet. Think of ALL the info they have at their disposal....forensics, credit card receipts, the testimony of TonE and Amy (who we have NEVER seen or heard from).
Boston
08-21-2008, 11:32 PM
Although, given the Anthony's staunch defense & outright lies on Casey's behalf... LE might have good motivation to hold off tipping their hand to a family who has made their job so much more difficult.
They're not required by law to tell the family WHEN they get results in, are they??? I doubt it.
I agree from a moral point of view they should BUT I think their first responsibility is to the VICTIM. And if the victim is dead, LE will want the person responsible to pay the price.
Caylee's the ONLY one LE owes anything to, imo. I agree....Also, the Fact that Cindy washed the pants & George did who knows what to the car could mean that they are facing possible charges themselves......who knows?
STEADFAST
08-21-2008, 11:32 PM
that's what I was just wondering about, it's one thing to perpetuate a lie to people who don't know you have a child, but did she think she was just never going to bring Caylee around Tony etc again?
She could be like Scott Peterson and tell him that Caylee died. Then she could mourn for a little and go on with her life. What she planned to tell her parents, I have no idea.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:33 PM
They may have told the family, but they just don't believe it. They discount every other piece of evidence that Casey is a liar, what would stop them from saying the dna was wrong.
They DID go to the Anthony's this week to "talk to them alone."
You have a good point.
Lanie
08-21-2008, 11:34 PM
So basically what Baez is saying is that they have come up with a defense strategy that will address her fear of telling people what happened to Caylee and still offer up anonymity. They have to keep the perps anonymous so that they are not questioned why she did not persue them. So....now if she gets out of jail and starts giving up info, specific info on how to "find Caylee", then that will hurt her defense because it will crush the anonymity factor...so basically the new excuse for not talking is....it will ruin the current defense strategy if the specific info she provides does not produce Caylee. Apparently her attorney has no faith in any information she would provide or felt the info she was planning on providing to her family (lies) should not be givin. It's all about the defense strategy. She has been told, "if you cannot give info that you are 100% sure will bring Caylee home alive, don't give any at all". It could be used against her in court and even her atty knows she is full of sh**!!!!
huh???
liltigress
08-21-2008, 11:34 PM
I picked up on the same thing. I got the impression she was "working" him.
I'm beginning to get the impression that they already knew each other. That's not the way I was prepared to feel either.
tiffertots
08-21-2008, 11:34 PM
don't know how to add a link but here it is...read under "what constitutes as same offense"
http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/double-jeopardy#common-law-development-right-against-double
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:35 PM
She could be like Scott Peterson and tell him that Caylee died. Then she could mourn for a little and go on with her life. What she planned to tell her parents, I have no idea.
If she was still lying to them about being pregnant at 7 months with the "evidence" obvious, WHY would she tell them the truth now?
Boston
08-21-2008, 11:36 PM
I respectfully have to say no - if LE had notified the family (aka GP's & Lee) - they (GP's & Lee) would have not been able to contain that info within extended family. We already know of an Uncle and there is 2 sides - Cindy's mom (who is in contact with Uncle) and George's side as well. Holly - family TV friend - they would have told someone - way too many chances for a leak.
I honestly believe that conversation (LE confirming Caylee is "most likely" dead to GP's) has not taken place as of yet.
I really don't think so either. The original point I was trrying to make was that if LE does have the DNA back & that they have proof that Caylee is dead & that she was in the trunk why would they rush to file charges. I just think it would be in their best interest to wait as long as they can ..Cross their T's & dot their I's
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:36 PM
don't know how to add a link but here it is...read under "what constitutes as same offense"
http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/double-jeopardy#common-law-development-right-against-double
I think the argument is felony child neglect is not the same as murder. Keep in mind Federal charges can be filed also which would prevent any state laws from being relevant.
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:37 PM
Although, given the Anthony's staunch defense & outright lies on Casey's behalf... LE might have good motivation to hold off tipping their hand to a family who has made their job so much more difficult.
They're not required by law to tell the family WHEN they get results in, are they??? I doubt it.
I agree from a moral point of view they should BUT I think their first responsibility is to the VICTIM. And if the victim is dead, LE will want the person responsible to pay the price.
Caylee's the ONLY one LE owes anything to, imo.
And don't you believe BECAUSE CAYLEE is the only one LE owes anything to - out of HER respect - to hold off notifying HER FAMILY - flesh and blood - by NOT telling them and letting this dog and pony show circus continue. IMO that doesn't work for either side. If they have somewhat definitive results - this will come out eventually - has to. When that big reveal takes place and we all find out LE knew she was dead in July (early Aug)- and its now like what? NOVEMBER is trial date - but let's say they wait until SEPTEMBER or OCTOBER - OMG how will the pbulic perceive LE then? "You mean they knew back in early August and didn't tell those people - well no wonder they acted as weird as they did." That is a double edged sword.
wedavis
08-21-2008, 11:37 PM
I find it very offensive that someone from MD calls solw talker liars. I absolutely love that slow southern drawl. Calling us liars is well if I say it I will be banned.
Uh what? Did you quote the wrong post by mistake? I agree with you. :)
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 11:37 PM
I picked up on the same thing. I got the impression she was "working" him.
I agree and said something similar earlier...I'm sure that's how she handles all men. It's just for manipulation.
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:39 PM
I believe about 90% that Caylee is no longer alive, and I base it on the dog hits and how Casey never asks if anyone has news of her, plus the party pics, etc. But if you take away the dog hits, it seems that everything would fit with her selling Caylee.
On the other hand, if she sold Caylee, why would she need a shovel to dig up the bamboo?
Anyway, 10% she sold her child, IMO.
IMO she didn't sell her. Doesn't fit with her stealing and abandoning the car - if she had sold her - she would have "disappeared" long before Cindy was able to drag her out of Tony's. Not that she wouldn't have been "around" - she could have gotten her "own place" and hid right there in plain sight!
strach304
08-21-2008, 11:41 PM
Does anyone know if it is legal for LE to put some bugs at the Anthony home and not tell them? IF it is do you think they have done that?
The phones have probably been bugged for awhile now but I doubt they could get a warrant for the house until Casey got there. I know from the Scott Peterson case that they aren't allowed to listen or record anything between client and attorney. It's my opinion from what's being said by the defense in this case that privilege would also apply to any listening devices in the house while he is present.
kidz110
08-21-2008, 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by suspicious mind View Post
They may have told the family, but they just don't believe it. They discount every other piece of evidence that Casey is a liar, what would stop them from saying the dna was wrong.
They really aren't that forthcoming with information--even if you are a family member. They nicely tell you to call if you have any questions and they give you a few facts, but nothing that they don't want everyone to know.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:42 PM
If they have that proof then they don't need a body.
They will have a body soon...........it will have "washed up" with this rain.
wedavis
08-21-2008, 11:43 PM
Think...........WHO does have that experience and was in LE?
Are you hinting at George or Jesse G (or even Ricardo-was it ever determined if he was LE?)?
helloitsme
08-21-2008, 11:43 PM
Lets not forget, If Casey should be charged with murder and be found not guilty,
She could later be charged with FEDERAL civil rights violations.
(remember Rodney King?)
Jolynna
08-21-2008, 11:43 PM
IMO They have (warrant)
They do (have equip in place - prob for a while now)
and
They are (currently can prob hear a gnat fart in that house 24/7)
That is my opinion too.
Well said.
STEADFAST
08-21-2008, 11:44 PM
If she was still lying to them about being pregnant at 7 months with the "evidence" obvious, WHY would she tell them the truth now?
Casey tell Cindy and George the truth??? None of those three would recognize the truth -- I'm not sure they've ever seen it before.
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:45 PM
The phones have probably been bugged for awhile now but I doubt they could get a warrant for the house until Casey got there. I know from the Scott Peterson case that they aren't allowed to listen or record anything between client and attorney. It's my opinion from what's being said by the defense in this case that privilege would also apply to any listening devices in the house while he is present.
IMO the Feds have had that house under surveillance since the day they got there. Local LE usually doesn't have the real "spohisticated" equipment that FDLE or FBI do. IMO there are almost two different investigations going on. Local and Fed. and when this type of situation happens - THEY DON'T LIKE TO SHARE.
ChrisAnn007
08-21-2008, 11:45 PM
And don't you believe BECAUSE CAYLEE is the only one LE owes anything to - out of HER respect - to hold off notifying HER FAMILY - flesh and blood - by NOT telling them and letting this dog and pony show circus continue. IMO that doesn't work for either side. If they have somewhat definitive results - this will come out eventually - has to. When that big reveal takes place and we all find out LE knew she was dead in July (early Aug)- and its now like what? NOVEMBER is trial date - but let's say they wait until SEPTEMBER or OCTOBER - OMG how will the pbulic perceive LE then? "You mean they knew back in early August and didn't tell those people - well no wonder they acted as weird as they did." That is a double edged sword.
well said. No benefit could come from waiting that long. If and when LE has definitive evidence they will press charges...you can be sure LE is being heavily pressured to get the necessary evidence as quickly as possible. They are not dragging their feet but they may be grasping at straws.
TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 11:45 PM
Are you hinting at George or Jesse G (or even Ricardo-was it ever determined if he was LE?)?
My money would be on George........
moxiecrimefighter
08-21-2008, 11:46 PM
And don't you believe BECAUSE CAYLEE is the only one LE owes anything to - out of HER respect - to hold off notifying HER FAMILY - flesh and blood - by NOT telling them and letting this dog and pony show circus continue. IMO that doesn't work for either side. If they have somewhat definitive results - this will come out eventually - has to. When that big reveal takes place and we all find out LE knew she was dead in July (early Aug)- and its now like what? NOVEMBER is trial date - but let's say they wait until SEPTEMBER or OCTOBER - OMG how will the pbulic perceive LE then? "You mean they knew back in early August and didn't tell those people - well no wonder they acted as weird as they did." That is a double edged sword.
Swag - I'm going to buy all of us a law book, manual or whatever so we can make sense of this justice system and their motives. :crazy:
OK Seriously everyone - regarding FOLLOWING THE MONEY TRAIL....how are Cindy and George paying their bill when they aren't working? Pray tell - we know they have the money to bond Casey out....what gives?
Wise Old Owl
08-21-2008, 11:46 PM
Lets not forget, If Casey should be charged with murder and be found not guilty,
She could later be charged with FEDERAL civil rights violations.
(remember Rodney King?)
????????????? Casey charged with civil rights violations? You mean she violated Caylee's civil rights? I don't get where you're going with that?
Boston
08-21-2008, 11:47 PM
One thing that has really bothered me from the beginning of this case is why didn't LE issue an Amber Alert? No Police sketch of ZG no press conference asking for the publics help in locating ZG or the Nanny or anybody. I think they know something & unfortunatley I don't think it's good news.
wedavis
08-21-2008, 11:47 PM
Because they both involve the same circumstance..Caylee being missing.
It is double jeopardy in Florida, from what I understand, to charge someone twice in the same crime.
Therefore, they can either charge her with neglect because her daughter is missing, which they have ...or they can charge her with murder. But if she stands trial for the current charges, then they can't retry the case under new charges. So November is their deadline to find out the truth about what happened to Caylee. No worries..I think that the DA is way ahead and has alot of evidence to show that Casey was involved in Caylee's murder and the coverup..which we are viewing now.
You are so kind to explain these things to me. Thanks! :)
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