Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13 years old) Found Murdered # 18

[little726]

Yes, and I also look at what people have for "mood." Am I the only one who does that? :)

Ok thanks on warrant question.

I wonder where "Mikey" (Westbrook) is and what info he gave when/if the cops finally caught up with him.

LOL...no Cloud, you aren't the only who looks at their "mood." I guess I would be pissed too if I was Mike Gaddy.

[cloudajo]

LOL...no Cloud, you aren't the only who looks at their "mood." I guess I would be pissed too if I was Mike Gaddy.

I've searched for and looked at so many myspaces, and never looked at those before this happened. Fascinating what people put on their pages (and their music selections too).

Now my open windows are always this forum, the other forum, myspace, OK Court Records, OK Dept of Corrections, etc. Oh boy.

[cloudajo]

Rumor from Topix below re Dustyn (Spud) Dailey and others who testified before GJ.

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"Spud was one of the first people brought in for questioning. I don't know about Gaddy. They were friends at one time. The witnesses arrested and brought into question in the GJ hearing were in personal contact with Spud during the time of the killings and are not necessarily suspected of being part of this crime. OSBI just wants to know if he *Spud* had let anything out or if they knew of his whereabouts at the time of the shootings. It's just sad that Larry and Windy were too stupid to know they can't ignore a sapena even if they don't have transporation."

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p546 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p546)

[Tom'sGirl]

Please remember we have a Rumors Only/not verified thread here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69449)

[frogjustfrog]

According to what I have heard, there were several mentions of 4 wheelers in the area before the murders.
CC, I dont see where you are refering to. When I click this link, it takes me to a discussion of the Anthony case. Can you please help?

Also, to everyone.... I still get chills when i read this forum that is linked below and has been linked to on this thread previously.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1

The first poster, mentions on the first day after the murders, that there was rumor of 2 boys on 4 wheelers, and gives their ages. This means the kids were knowing something and discussing it just the day after these murders! Did we overlook this and toss it aside, or has someone come up to discredit this post since then? To me, this person heard rumor really fast! And now, we see that 2 boys of the same age were pulled in to testify before the GJ. What I am wondering, is did THESE boys have 4 wheelers? The Gaddy boy lives about 2 miles from where the event took place. Geeze! I would hate to think he really had anything to do with this!
This kids parents used to own a little store in Henryetta, and they sold used or consignment baby items. This is so tragic! I hope he was only a suspect because of kids talking, and not really involved, but WHY did Dracoeyes say what she did?
I found dracoeyes on myspace http://www.myspace.com/dracoeyes (http://www.myspace.com/dracoeyes)
What the heck does she know?:waitasec:

[Tom'sGirl]

CC, I dont see where you are refering to. When I click this link, it takes me to a discussion of the Anthony case. Can you please help?
LOL, you're clicking on her signature line.............:)

[secretagent]

Good find Cloud:

Notice this: insane clown posse

I also noticed this on his myspace URL, page, notice the end word, could the 420 mean .40?

http://www.myspace.com/wyckid__lette420killer

420 = pot

[frogjustfrog]

LOL, you're clicking on her signature line.............:)

Oh... duh! LMBO!!!!!!!!!
I will be the first to admit I am no computer wizard! lolol

anyway..... what does anyone think about the posting the day after the crime, on that forum that I linked? I dont know why I didnt see that before! Have you all already sluethed this and I am just not "with it" Maybe I need to go back to the beginning thread and start reading.

[little726]

Oh... duh! LMBO!!!!!!!!!
I will be the first to admit I am no computer wizard! lolol

anyway..... what does anyone think about the posting the day after the crime, on that forum that I linked? I dont know why I didnt see that before! Have you all already sluethed this and I am just not "with it" Maybe I need to go back to the beginning thread and start reading.

Hi Frog.

I did read the posting you are talking about, but I never paid any attention to the date. It sure is strange.

Remember when the sheriff made the statement they had a couple of suspects? It was that same night, I believe. Then we never heard anything more from him.

This whole case boggles the mind :crazy:!

[little726]

CC, I dont see where you are refering to. When I click this link, it takes me to a discussion of the Anthony case. Can you please help?

Also, to everyone.... I still get chills when i read this forum that is linked below and has been linked to on this thread previously.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1

The first poster, mentions on the first day after the murders, that there was rumor of 2 boys on 4 wheelers, and gives their ages. This means the kids were knowing something and discussing it just the day after these murders! Did we overlook this and toss it aside, or has someone come up to discredit this post since then? To me, this person heard rumor really fast! And now, we see that 2 boys of the same age were pulled in to testify before the GJ. What I am wondering, is did THESE boys have 4 wheelers? The Gaddy boy lives about 2 miles from where the event took place. Geeze! I would hate to think he really had anything to do with this!
This kids parents used to own a little store in Henryetta, and they sold used or consignment baby items. This is so tragic! I hope he was only a suspect because of kids talking, and not really involved, but WHY did Dracoeyes say what she did?
I found dracoeyes on myspace http://www.myspace.com/dracoeyes (http://www.myspace.com/dracoeyes)
What the heck does she know?:waitasec:

Frog, the person who wrote the post at godlike productions is called "dracoeyes2." The one on my MS, is just "dracoeyes." I can not find a "dracoeyes2" on MS.

I will keep looking. Maybe it is her daughter.

[Boots-OK]

I've searched for and looked at so many myspaces, and never looked at those before this happened. Fascinating what people put on their pages (and their music selections too).

Now my open windows are always this forum, the other forum, myspace, OK Court Records, OK Dept of Corrections, etc. Oh boy.

And I'm sure thankful you do, too, Cloud...I'm pretty "facts" and "details" driven so the background and information you provide is invaluable to this forum and to me. Thanks for all that you do.:blowkiss:

[frogjustfrog]

Frog, the person who wrote the post at godlike productions is called "dracoeyes2." The one on my MS, is just "dracoeyes." I can not find a "dracoeyes2" on MS.

I will keep looking. Maybe it is her daughter.

Yes, I know/knew that, but I am betting it is one and the same person. dracoeyes isnt old enough to have a child of the age that would probably post that, at least I dont think so. But she is from Wetumka, which isnt far from Weleetka, and was mentioned before, these communities are so small they just kinda all run together as far as people knowing each other. I was from Henryetta and knew lots of people from those communities. I also once had an email addy, which I used the name sometimes for other purposes and sometimes would add a number after the name, just to keep things clear if to no one else, but to me. lol
The name and location is too close to rule this out as not a possiblility/probability that it is the same person. My money is on it. lol

[cloudajo]

And I'm sure thankful you do, too, Cloud...I'm pretty "facts" and "details" driven so the background and information you provide is invaluable to this forum and to me. Thanks for all that you do.:blowkiss:

Boots, you're very welcome.

[cloudajo]

Yes, I know/knew that, but I am betting it is one and the same person. dracoeyes isnt old enough to have a child of the age that would probably post that, at least I dont think so. But she is from Wetumka, which isnt far from Weleetka, and was mentioned before, these communities are so small they just kinda all run together as far as people knowing each other. I was from Henryetta and knew lots of people from those communities. I also once had an email addy, which I used the name sometimes for other purposes and sometimes would add a number after the name, just to keep things clear if to no one else, but to me. lol
The name and location is too close to rule this out as not a possiblility/probability that it is the same person. My money is on it. lol

Frog, I'm very interested in the 4 wheeler possibility. When you were at the memorial did you get a sense of what is back there on either side of the road, particularly on the east side? Is that all just woods and open land back there? Looks like it from the map.

[oceanblueeyes]

I thought this link was interesting.

Now the suspect of this crime is suppose to be a black man but I think he looks a lot like the POI in this case.

Hmmm strange. Does he to you or is it just me? :confused:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080908_11_Poli324750

By NICOLE MARSHALL World Staff Writer
9/8/2008 1:35 PM
Last Modified: 9/8/2008 1:52 PM


Police have released a composite sketch of the gunman who shot a Tulsa businessman last week at his office.

Neal Sweeney, 63, was shot about 9:30 a.m. Thursday at Retail Fuels Marketing, 3158 S. 108th East Ave.

Witnesses told police a man walked into the business at and went directly to an office area where he shot Sweeney in the head.

[Lauren - CA]

I was looking at "Mikey's" myspace again. His last login is 3/12/2008. I was looking at his "friends" wondering if he has a new myspace page under a different name that he uses now. Teens love their myspaces - major form of communicating these days.

I noticed that not only Dustyn is a "friend" on Mikey's page, but I believe Mike Gaddy is too. I clicked on it and here is "Mike's" page. It's set to private.

If you compare this pic with the one TG's posted in the photos thread, I believe they are the same.

mike(GED) in love with his new babe
Male
19 years old
Henryetta, Oklahoma
United States
Mood: stressed
Last Login: 9/9/2008
mike(GED) in love with his new babe i am geting belime for some thing i did not do
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190449930

Pic of Mike Gaddy (post #47 on the right): http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66467&page=2

Mikey: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=300828556

My goodness, what is wrong with kids of today? Mikey's mom should be checking out what her kid is doing. This kid must be a walking h**d on. Yikes.

[cloudajo]

Remember these two conflicting reports about whether Mike Gaddy was at a friend's house when he heard the shots or whether he was home and Dustyn was at his house?

I sent an email to the two reporters of the NewsOK article and asked them to clarify, and one responded back. He said he was one of the reporters who spoke with Mike's parents. They said he was at a friend's. He said that KFOR repeated the story but got this detail wrong.

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Conflicting Articles:
Correct:
The father said his son was at a friend’s house at the time of the shooting. The father said his son, along with the friend and the friend’s family, then went to Walmart. He said agents have pulled Walmart surveillance videotapes to try to verify the story.
http://newsok.com/grand-jury-grills-three-men-in-weleetka-killings/article/3292830/?mp=0 (http://newsok.com/grand-jury-grills-three-men-in-weleetka-killings/article/3292830/?mp=0)

Incorrect:
His parents tell the Oklahoman he was home at the time along with another suspect, 18-year-old Dustyn Dailey.
http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=8952349&nav=menu99_1_1 (http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=8952349&nav=menu99_1_1)

[Lauren - CA]

Cloudajo, you're good! I give you a "gold star".

[cloudajo]

I thought this link was interesting.

Now the suspect of this crime is suppose to be a black man but I think he looks a lot like the POI in this case.

Hmmm strange. Does he to you or is it just me? :confused:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080908_11_Poli324750

By NICOLE MARSHALL World Staff Writer
9/8/2008 1:35 PM
Last Modified: 9/8/2008 1:52 PM


Police have released a composite sketch of the gunman who shot a Tulsa businessman last week at his office.

Neal Sweeney, 63, was shot about 9:30 a.m. Thursday at Retail Fuels Marketing, 3158 S. 108th East Ave.

Witnesses told police a man walked into the business at and went directly to an office area where he shot Sweeney in the head.

Ocean, ya know even though this POI was described differently as you say (a black man in his late teens to early 20s), when you put the two pics side by side they do look kind of similar don't they?

[frogjustfrog]

Frog, I'm very interested in the 4 wheeler possibility. When you were at the memorial did you get a sense of what is back there on either side of the road, particularly on the east side? Is that all just woods and open land back there? Looks like it from the map.
I'm not sure what on the east side of the memorial, just beyone the trees. But if there were 4 wheelers out there, I bet they were in the road. who knows tho? I wish I knew who had 4 wheelers out there. If I lived closer, I bet I would know.

[frogjustfrog]

Ocean, ya know even though this POI was described differently as you say (a black man in his late teens to early 20s), when you put the two pics side by side they do look kind of similar don't they?

I think it is the same artist. I dont believe there was a poi who was really involved in this like it indicates. But that is jmp. I think maybe he was a clay pidgeon.... a decoy.

The blackman was a paid hitman, they believe. I personally dont see a connection

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, ya know even though this POI was described differently as you say (a black man in his late teens to early 20s), when you put the two pics side by side they do look kind of similar don't they?


Hi, cloudajo!

Yes I thought there were similarities. That is why I wondered if anyone else saw it that way.

imoo

[tulsa]

Hi, cloudajo!

Yes I thought there were similarities. That is why I wondered if anyone else saw it that way.

imoo

They look similar to me also.

[Claycat]

I have to agree with Frog. I believe it may be the same artist as well, too. The artist only has so much to work with in drawing a face from a verbal description. It's hard enough to draw the face when it is right in front of you.

[Mysterylover]

CC, I dont see where you are refering to. When I click this link, it takes me to a discussion of the Anthony case. Can you please help?

Also, to everyone.... I still get chills when i read this forum that is linked below and has been linked to on this thread previously.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message560159/pg1

The first poster, mentions on the first day after the murders, that there was rumor of 2 boys on 4 wheelers, and gives their ages.

This means the kids were knowing something and discussing it just the day after these murders!

Did we overlook this and toss it aside, or has someone come up to discredit this post since then?
To me, this person heard rumor really fast! And now, we see that 2 boys of the same age were pulled in to testify before the GJ.

What I am wondering, did THESE boys have 4 wheelers? The Gaddy boy lives about 2 miles from where the event took place. Geeze! I would hate to think he really had anything to do with this!

This kids parents used to own a little store in Henryetta, and they sold used or consignment baby items. This is so tragic!

I hope he was only a suspect because of kids talking, and not really involved, but WHY did Dracoeyes say what she did?

I found dracoeyes on myspace http://www.myspace.com/dracoeyes (http://www.myspace.com/dracoeyes)
What the heck does she know?:waitasec:

Frog, good questions!
I too, read 2 boys were seen on 4-wheelers near the Placker house the Saturday before the murders.

IF they knew their ages, they knew their names....imo these guys should have been brought in and questioned "that same week", and their 4-wheelers tested for blood splatter.

[Mysterylover]

I think it is the same artist. I dont believe there was a poi who was really involved in this like it indicates. But that is jmp. I think maybe he was a clay pidgeon.... a decoy.

The blackman was a paid hitman, they believe. I personally dont see a connection....

It would be very helpful to know WHO the witness was that saw the POI in the parked white truck near the crime scene.

[little726]

It would be very helpful to know WHO the witness was that saw the POI in the parked white truck near the crime scene.

Letsthink, I have also been wondering who the witness's were who saw the POI. I was wondering if any of them were D. Dailey, or M. Gaddy.

[GetSmart]

Letsthink, I have also been wondering who the witness's were who saw the POI. I was wondering if any of them were D. Dailey, or M. Gaddy.


Yes you guys I totally agree... However as it has been thru this whole investigation..we are on a need to know situation & I quess we don't need to know according to LE....

[Just Nose'n around]

Originally Posted by cloudajo
I was looking at "Mikey's" myspace again. His last login is 3/12/2008. I was looking at his "friends" wondering if he has a new myspace page under a different name that he uses now. Teens love their myspaces - major form of communicating these days.

I noticed that not only Dustyn is a "friend" on Mikey's page, but I believe Mike Gaddy is too. I clicked on it and here is "Mike's" page. It's set to private.

If you compare this pic with the one TG's posted in the photos thread, I believe they are the same.

mike(GED) in love with his new babe
Male
19 years old
Henryetta, Oklahoma
United States
Mood: stressed
Last Login: 9/9/2008
mike(GED) in love with his new babe i am geting belime for some thing i did not do
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=190449930

Pic of Mike Gaddy (post #47 on the right): http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...t=66467&page=2

Mikey: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=300828556

Great find, Cloud!

I have to believe this is Mike Gaddy because of the statement he makes of being "belime for some thing i did not do."

In reply to your second question about LE checking MS pages.....I really think they (LE) would have to get a warrant. Internet companies get really grumpy when the government gets nosey.


I looked at his old page and ran through some of the comments and looked at some of those friends and then went to those pages...found some interesting stuff bout have no knowledge of gettin it to here...BUT looking at one of the friends comments from "CLOWN" 's page which is a female 18 years old from Tulsa, she has a comment on her page from someone with the screenname of !(LaTe)! which says I just talked to Mikey and he's running from the cops as I type this..mind you this comment is from Jul 12. But still I'm thinkin someone needs to come up with a real cute lil picture, start a myspace and locate him and just ask him why he getting "belime"'d for something he didnt do? just a thought. BTW..!(LaTe)! is 17 male from weleekta. Think someone said it before..if kids are involved....they are going to talk. Thank goodness for MYSPACE.

[Ruflossn]

Originally Posted by cloudajo
I was looking at "Mikey's" myspace again. His last login is 3/12/2008. I was looking at his "friends" wondering if he has a new myspace page under a different name that he uses now. Teens love their myspaces - major form of communicating these days.

I noticed that not only Dustyn is a "friend" on Mikey's page, but I believe Mike Gaddy is too. I clicked on it and here is "Mike's" page. It's set to private.

If you compare this pic with the one TG's posted in the photos thread, I believe they are the same.

mike(GED) in love with his new babe
Male
19 years old
Henryetta, Oklahoma
United States
Mood: stressed
Last Login: 9/9/2008
mike(GED) in love with his new babe i am geting belime for some thing i did not do
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=190449930

Pic of Mike Gaddy (post #47 on the right): http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...t=66467&page=2

Mikey: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=300828556

Great find, Cloud!

I have to believe this is Mike Gaddy because of the statement he makes of being "belime for some thing i did not do."

In reply to your second question about LE checking MS pages.....I really think they (LE) would have to get a warrant. Internet companies get really grumpy when the government gets nosey.


I looked at his old page and ran through some of the comments and looked at some of those friends and then went to those pages...found some interesting stuff bout have no knowledge of gettin it to here...BUT looking at one of the friends comments from "CLOWN" 's page which is a female 18 years old from Tulsa, she has a comment on her page from someone with the screenname of !(LaTe)! which says I just talked to Mikey and he's running from the cops as I type this..mind you this comment is from Jul 12. But still I'm thinkin someone needs to come up with a real cute lil picture, start a myspace and locate him and just ask him why he getting "belime"'d for something he didnt do? just a thought. BTW..!(LaTe)! is 17 male from weleekta. Think someone said it before..if kids are involved....they are going to talk. Thank goodness for MYSPACE.


Actually Just Nose'n, it is thank goodness for people like YOU who take the time to research all the info.

Thank-you!!!
Flossie

[cloudajo]

I looked at his old page and ran through some of the comments and looked at some of those friends and then went to those pages...found some interesting stuff bout have no knowledge of gettin it to here...BUT looking at one of the friends comments from "CLOWN" 's page which is a female 18 years old from Tulsa, she has a comment on her page from someone with the screenname of !(LaTe)! which says I just talked to Mikey and he's running from the cops as I type this..mind you this comment is from Jul 12. But still I'm thinkin someone needs to come up with a real cute lil picture, start a myspace and locate him and just ask him why he getting "belime"'d for something he didnt do? just a thought. BTW..!(LaTe)! is 17 male from weleekta. Think someone said it before..if kids are involved....they are going to talk. Thank goodness for MYSPACE.

Just Nose'n,
Thank goodness for myspace is right. And I nominate you to create a page. :)

Just my opinion, but I think the comment about "Mikey running from the cops" might refer to Mikey Westbrook Jr. (another friend) and not Mike Gaddy.

But I think the post and the date is very interesting as you pointed out.

[cloudajo]

Mike Gaddy's Updated Myspace:

Page used to say “mike(GED) in love with his new babe”; now it says “what up”
Mood: pissed off
Previous comment on page: mike(GED) in love with his new babe i am geting belime for some thing i did not do
Last Login 9/13/2008
New comment on page: mike is at home.f**k the weleetka cops and henryetta
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190449930 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190449930)

[cloudajo]

Here’s a summary of some myspace pages. If you are interested, make sure to click on “View my Pics” and “View Friends - All” and read comments posted. Always interesting to view pictures and to see who the friends are. JMO, it’s almost as if some of these teens lead double lives if you know what I mean.


Dustyn (Spud) Dailey

Click on “View my Pics” to see more pics of Dustyn (thanks Clay Cat)
Click on “View Friends - All” under “Top Friends” to see his friends on myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=185166142 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=185166142)
Dustyn (as we know) was friends with Mike Gaddy (but not anymore according to Mike’s parents)
Another one of Dustyn’s friends is “Mikey” Westbrook Jr.


Mike Gaddy

Page used to say “mike(GED) in love with his new babe”; now it says “what up”
Mood: pissed off
Previous comment on page: mike(GED) in love with his new babe i am geting belime for some thing i did not do
Last Login 9/13/2008; New comment on page: mike is at home.f**k the weleetka cops and henryetta
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190449930 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=190449930)


Mikey Westbrook Jr.

Mikey lists Dustyn and Mike Gaddy as friends on myspace
Another friend of Mikey is “¤clown ♥¤”
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=300828556 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608)
¤clown ♥¤:


I believe this is Susan Brians per comment posted on her myspace page
On July 12, 2008 at 4:34AM, “!(LaTe)!” posted the following on clown’s page (scroll down on right and highlight text with your cursor): “…i talked to mikey just a min ago hes running from the cops again right know as im typeing this memo lol he needs to straighten hes a** up i hope im spelling at least half of these words right…”
Go to “View my Pics” to see interesting pics of various friends. There is also a photo album called “My Love” filled with pics of pot
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608)
!(LaTe)!

I believe this is Ron Kiser per a labeled pic on “¤clown ♥¤” myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=356040438 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=356040438)

[Missing Sarah]

Ok, and I"m wondering who you contact to unregister from WS.. is there away to just delete my name?

[Ruflossn]

Ok, and I"m wondering who you contact to unregister from WS.. is there away to just delete my name?

Sara,
I found this info. under "The Rules / Etiquette & Information" I hope this answers your question.

Ruflossn

"I am leaving WS" threads:

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[KeyboardPlayer]

OSBI cuts officers on Weleetka killings

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080913_12_A1_WELEET832735

:(

[Ruflossn]

OSBI cuts officers on Weleetka killings

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080913_12_A1_WELEET832735

:(


Dang, Dang, Dang!!!!:(

[KeyboardPlayer]

Believe me, not what I wanted to see either when I checked my e-mail this morning (it was a Google Alert). According to the article, it doesn't mean the case is going cold, but simply that the number of leads has dwindled. Either way it sucks.

[Lauren - CA]

Thanks for posting that info KP. We have to have faith that the case is not getting cold.

[Lauren - CA]

Mikey Westbrook Jr.

Mikey lists Dustyn and Mike Gaddy as friends on myspace
Another friend of Mikey is “¤clown ♥¤”
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=300828556 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608)
¤clown ♥¤:

Ok, that is some weird s**t. I am so out of the loop on that one. All I can say is WTH?

[frogjustfrog]

Believe me, not what I wanted to see either when I checked my e-mail this morning (it was a Google Alert). According to the article, it doesn't mean the case is going cold, but simply that the number of leads has dwindled. Either way it sucks.

Well, maybe not! We have to try to look at the positive side of things. Maybe they have it narrowed down ehough that they are focused on one or two persons and they just dont need all the manpower that was required before. I tend to believe this is what's going on. Things sure dont look good for this Gaddy and Dailey boy for sure!

So... you see, it may be a Good thing and not a bad thing. To me it means they dont need so many people to work on the case cuz they have narrowed things down quite a bit. :highfive:

[KeyboardPlayer]

Good point, Frog. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks! :)

[cloudajo]

RPS posted a good find on Topix – a guy named Cody T. Lambillotte, 23, was arrested and charged with same offense as Dustyn on the same dates – 2nd Degree Burglary-Felony (arrested 8/5/2008; charges filed on 8/12/2008). Consecutive Arrest Nos; same judge, same DA.

Here is a summary of charges for Cody and Dustyn I could find, including an earlier charge for Cody in 2006 involving 2nd degree burglary and false declaration of ownership to pawnbroker, AFCF. Looks like he got a suspended sentence for the 2006 charge (surprise). See ref links at bottom for details.

8/2/2006: Cody Lambillotte (23 yrs)
·Cody T. Lambillotte arrested for 2nd Degree Burglary and False Declaration of Ownership to Pawnbroker, AFCF (After Former Conviction of a Felony)
·County: Okmulgee (Henryetta)
·Court Records shows Plea of Guilty/No Contest on 9/6/2006; Judgment sentence on 9/13/2006; Bench Warrant Issued 8/13/2007; etc. and then on 9/19/2007 Letter from DOC defendant is in DARP (Drug Rehab) in Arkansas and not scheduled to graduate until 10-26-07; on 6/7/2008 Letter ret’d no mail receptacle
·Suspended Sentence (per OK Dept of Corrections)

2/28/2008: Dustyn (Spudd) Obrien Dailey (18 yrs)
·Charges filed against Dustyn for No Drivers License
·County: Okmulgee (Henryetta)
·Agency: OK Highway Patrol (OHP)
·Judge: Pickering, Cynthia; DA: Giulioli, Tom – Okmulgee
·Details show he was jailed on 2/19

4/18/2008 and 5/5/2008: Dustyn Dailey
·Protective Order filed against Dustyn by his parents (Judith and Raymond King)
·Protective Order granted on 5/5/2008
·Judge: Pickering, Cynthia

8/5/2008: Cody Lambillotte and Dustyn Dailey
·Cody T. Lambillotte arrested by Okmulgee Police for 2nd Degree Burglary - Arrest No: 2008001733
·Dustyn Obrien Dailey arrested by Okmulgee Police for 2nd Degree Burglary - Arrest No: 2008001734

8/12/2008: Cody Lambillotte and Dustyn Dailey
·Charges filed against Cody and Dustyn for 2nd Degree Burglary-Felony
·County: Okmulgee
·Judge: Pickering, Cynthia; DA: Giulioli, Tom – Okmulgee
·Calendar has Pre-Preliminary Hearing date of 9/18/2008

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·OK Dept of Corrections (Cody): http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=547234&offender_book_id=326925 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=547234&offender_book_id=326925)
·Court Records: http://www1.odcr.com/results.php?Page=0&PHPSESSID=co2oh4pkccieo5m0pamc8hkht6 (http://www1.odcr.com/results.php?Page=0&PHPSESSID=co2oh4pkccieo5m0pamc8hkht6)
·Sheriff’s Inmate Roster for Cody (with Picture): http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001733 (http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001733)
·Sheriff’s Inmate Roster for Dustyn (no Picture): http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001734 (http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001734)
·Oklahoma Courts – 2nd Degree Burglary (can be charged as a Felony or Misdemeanor): http://www.oscn.net/applications/OCISWeb/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69879 (http://www.oscn.net/applications/OCISWeb/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69879)

[KeyboardPlayer]

Excellent find... Seems like they were booked one right after the other... Thank you cloud!

[waltzingmatilda]

Frog, I agree with you that OSBI is getting closer to solving this case. They certainly aren't going to release their strategy to the public. They could be close enough to solve but need to 'take the heat off' these perps in hopes that they'll become careless enough that an arrest can be made. Remember the Atlanta child murders....everyone assumed the perp was caucasian, but LE suspected the perp was a black man who blended in with the community but that info was withheld for a time while they continued to build evidence. Hopefully, that is the case here. Let's keep our fingers crossed and say a prayer....

[Albert18]

We keep thinking LE is close but nothing ever seems to happen. I know people keep saying we have to be patient because it has only been a few months but I think this is a case they either solve immediately or it will never be solved.

I don't know what to make of the investigation.

It sure looks to me like the crime was done by young locals. But if that is the case then I don't understand the investigation. That type of crime should have produced an investigation that hit the suspects hard and fast. That wasn't done and now the killers have had 3 months to gain resolve.

I also don't understand OSBI's preoccupation with "leads" provided by the public. If the killers are young and local, OSBI should have been providing their own leads.

If they were thinking young and local they should have taken a map, put a pin where the girls were killed and then drawn a circle on the map as far out as they thought the killers might have lived. Then they should have started asking kids about kids. The local kids will produce a list to investigate. All of this should have been happening in the first few days.

I guess what I am saying is that if the killers were young and local I find it unbelievable there have been no arrests. So we either have a botched investigation or the killers weren't local.

[frogjustfrog]

We keep thinking LE is close but nothing ever seems to happen. I know people keep saying we have to be patient because it has only been a few months but I think this is a case they either solve immediately or it will never be solved.

I don't know what to make of the investigation.

It sure looks to me like the crime was done by young locals. But if that is the case then I don't understand the investigation. That type of crime should have produced an investigation that hit the suspects hard and fast. That wasn't done and now the killers have had 3 months to gain resolve.

I also don't understand OSBI's preoccupation with "leads" provided by the public. If the killers are young and local, OSBI should have been providing their own leads.

If they were thinking young and local they should have taken a map, put a pin where the girls were killed and then drawn a circle on the map as far out as they thought the killers might have lived. Then they should have started asking kids about kids. The local kids will produce a list to investigate. All of this should have been happening in the first few days.

I guess what I am saying is that if the killers were young and local I find it unbelievable there have been no arrests. So we either have a botched investigation or the killers weren't local.

Sometimes there is no concrete evidence... and in those cases, they have to approach the investigation differently. I am just going to keep the faith. I believe they are on to something.... I dont know what, but I believe they are and thus the lack of information let out to the public.

[little726]

Sometimes there is no concrete evidence... and in those cases, they have to approach the investigation differently. I am just going to keep the faith. I believe they are on to something.... I dont know what, but I believe they are and thus the lack of information let out to the public.

I'm with you, Frog. I really think LE has stumbled into more than they thought. From the sounds of it, it would be a blessing!

[cloudajo]

Excellent find... Seems like they were booked one right after the other... Thank you cloud!

Keyboard, you're welcome!

[cloudajo]

Yes, they are most likely building a circumstantial case and being extremely thorough. Info on circumstantial evidence, murder, and the death penalty below.

Circumstantial Evidence (two paragraphs snipped out)

Circumstantial evidence n. evidence in a trial which is not directly from an eyewitness or participant and requires some reasoning to prove a fact. There is a public perception that such evidence is weak ("all they have is circumstantial evidence"), but the probable conclusion from the circumstances may be so strong that there can be little doubt as to a vital fact ("beyond a reasonable doubt" in a criminal case, and "a preponderance of the evidence" in a civil case). Particularly in criminal cases, "eyewitness" ("I saw Frankie shoot Johnny") type evidence is often lacking and may be unreliable, so circumstantial evidence becomes essential. Prior threats to the victim, fingerprints found at the scene of the crime, ownership of the murder weapon, and the accused being seen in the neighborhood, certainly point to the suspect as being the killer, but each bit of evidence is circumstantial.

In many courts of law, juries and judges are required to consider all available evidence before making a decision. In a case with a severe punishment, the prosecution must generally prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. In a case like this, circumstantial evidence must be carefully gathered and corroborated so that the evidence paints a clear and obvious picture. Should the prosecution fail to prove the case, the perpetrator could go free.

·http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-circumstantial-evidence.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-circumstantial-evidence.htm)
·This one is good: http://www.findlaci2003.us/circumstantial-definition.html (http://www.findlaci2003.us/circumstantial-definition.html)
·http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence)

Murder and the Death Penalty - Oklahoma

·Murder in the First Degree Involving Death of a Child – Elements
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81120 (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81120)
·Death Penalty Proceedings – Aggravating Circumstances
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81127 (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81127)
·Death Penalty - Circumstantial Evidence - Excluding Reasonable Theories Other Than Existence of Aggravating Circumstance
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81132 (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=81132)

[frogjustfrog]

Thank you so much for that information Cloudjo. You are so good in your sleuthing! I for one feel like you have added so much to this forum...(is that what it's called? lol) I hope you realize how much you are appreciated. I have also heard others say the same things about you. We are blessed because of your hard and diligent work on the information you provide to us.

[GetSmart]

Ditto what Frog said.. also great find.

[cloudajo]

Thank you so much for that information Cloudjo. You are so good in your sleuthing! I for one feel like you have added so much to this forum...(is that what it's called? lol) I hope you realize how much you are appreciated. I have also heard others say the same things about you. We are blessed because of your hard and diligent work on the information you provide to us.

Frog, thanks - it was your posts that got me thinking about evidence, what is involved, all that they need to do, and to keep the faith - it will just take time. So thanks back to you. :)

[Claycat]

I want to add my thanks, Cloudajo! You are a great sleuth! :clap:

[Albert18]

It could be true they know who did this and are putting the final pieces together before an arrest.

But it could also be true they used the grand jury to see what info they could shake loose and they didn't get much. Thus they are drastically scaling back the investigation.

This is such a big case (or should be considered big, although I don't think OSBI agrees) that I find it hard to believe if they were close they wouldn't go full bore until the end.

[GetSmart]

Albert I think you might be right. I am starting to think that they were so cockfire sure who it was in the beginning that they let some leads slip thru their fingers.

[oceanblueeyes]

It could be true they know who did this and are putting the final pieces together before an arrest.

But it could also be true they used the grand jury to see what info they could shake loose and they didn't get much. Thus they are drastically scaling back the investigation.

This is such a big case (or should be considered big, although I don't think OSBI agrees) that I find it hard to believe if they were close they wouldn't go full bore until the end.

I sure hope this case doesn't go into the Cold Case file but maybe that is what it needs where a new set of eyes can research what they have.

I have seen so many Cold Case detectives say they knew who committed the crime very early on in the case but did not have enough evidence to prove it in court.

imoo

[Tom'sGirl]

I sure hope this case doesn't go into the Cold Case file but maybe that is what it needs where a new set of eyes can research what they have.

I have seen so many Cold Case detectives say they knew who committed the crime very early on in the case but did not have enough evidence to prove it in court.

imoo
It's only been a little over three months Ocean, look how many cases we've followed where we heard nothing for many months, even years, and then all of sudden they have enought evidence for a case.

[YellowDog]

I'm losing faith in OSBI. This is a case that I thought would be solved very quickly because of the remote area and the small communities surrounding it.

I'm inclined to believe the killer/killers live within pretty close proximity to the scene of the murders.

I still can't help but think that, if they would release a few clues, the public might help them solve these murders.

When the Grand Jury convened and they had 52 unsolved cases to go over, I sort of lost faith at that point.

[Ruflossn]

Hello All~
Does anyone remember and possibly have the link where Dustyn Dailey and Mike Gaddy were suppose to have been each others alibis? After the alibis were discussed, the Daily Oklahoman ran a story, but the allegedly got the information incorrect. Please Help!! :)

[Tom'sGirl]

Hello All~
Does anyone remember and possibly have the link where Dustyn Dailey and Mike Gaddy were suppose to have been each others alibis? After the alibis were discussed, the Daily Oklahoman ran a story, but the allegedly got the information incorrect. Please Help!! :)
Sorry, the only thing I found at several sites was this, and it doesn't mention the friends name.


The father said his son was at a friend's house at the time of the shooting. The father said his son, along with the friend and the friend's family, then went to Walmart. He said agents have pulled Walmart surveillance videotapes to try to verify the story.

http://tinyurl.com/3t8vuc

[k4kathy]

Hello everyone,
I have been reading here for a few weeks now,and this is my first post.
Dang...I wish I had found this site a long time ago.I'm very impressed !!!!

[Ruflossn]

Hello everyone,
I have been reading here for a few weeks now,and this is my first post.
Dang...I wish I had found this site a long time ago.I'm very impressed !!!!

That was awesome! :clap:
Feel free to PM me.
I love candy.
:)

[Tom'sGirl]

Hello everyone,
I have been reading here for a few weeks now,and this is my first post.
Dang...I wish I had found this site a long time ago.I'm very impressed !!!!
Welcome to Websleuths!

[GetSmart]

You now have a 2nd home... k4kathy cute name !!
:newbie:

:Welcome-12-june:

[ArizonaGiGi]

That was awesome! :clap:
Feel free to PM me.
I love candy.
:)

Long day, long week, too much coffee? But I don't get the candy part :crazy:

ps welcome K4K ! It is a great site isn't it!

[Ruflossn]

Long day, long week, too much coffee? But I don't get the candy part :crazy:

ps welcome K4K ! It is a great site isn't it!

GiGi~
The "candy part" was something that she and I knew about. Sorry to be so confusing................

Have a good night!
Flossie

[Ruflossn]

Sorry, the only thing I found at several sites was this, and it doesn't mention the friends name.


http://tinyurl.com/3t8vuc

TG~
THANK-YOU!!!! (Not yelling, just really excited.............)
I will research this and dig a little deeper~

Flossie

[ArizonaGiGi]

GiGi~
The "candy part" was something that she and I knew about. Sorry to be so confusing................

Have a good night!
Flossie

Oh thank Gawd....i thought I was just dumb

[cloudajo]

TG~
THANK-YOU!!!! (Not yelling, just really excited.............)
I will research this and dig a little deeper~

Flossie

Flossie, the earlier post below might help. Whether Mike was really at this other friend's house I don't know, but that's what his parents told the 2 reporters. The 1 reporter said KFOR mis-reported when they repeated the story. And I think NewsOK/Oklahoman are linked.

I wonder what Dustyn's alibi is for that day...

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Remember these two conflicting reports about whether Mike Gaddy was at a friend's house when he heard the shots or whether he was home and Dustyn was at his house?

I sent an email to the two reporters of the NewsOK article and asked them to clarify, and one responded back. He said he was one of the reporters who spoke with Mike's parents. They said he was at a friend's. He said that KFOR repeated the story but got this detail wrong.

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Conflicting Articles:
Correct:
The father said his son was at a friend’s house at the time of the shooting. The father said his son, along with the friend and the friend’s family, then went to Walmart. He said agents have pulled Walmart surveillance videotapes to try to verify the story.
http://newsok.com/grand-jury-grills-three-men-in-weleetka-killings/article/3292830/?mp=0 (http://newsok.com/grand-jury-grills-three-men-in-weleetka-killings/article/3292830/?mp=0)

Incorrect:
His parents tell the Oklahoman he was home at the time along with another suspect, 18-year-old Dustyn Dailey.
http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=8952349&nav=menu99_1_1 (http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=8952349&nav=menu99_1_1)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2660322&postcount=517

[cloudajo]

The other reporter also said via email to me that Mike Gaddy's parents told him that Mike was at the house of a friend who lives near where the murders took place. They were apparently in the car getting ready to go to Walmart when they heard the shots.

Note he said "they." So I assume LE verified this one way or another with the friend/family - I wonder if Walmart tapes confirmed either way.

Mike's parents also told the reporter that Mike and Dustyn had a falling out of sorts and were not hanging out together. I asked the reporter if he knew whether the falling out took place before or after the girls were murdered but he didn't respond.

[cloudajo]

I'm losing faith in OSBI. This is a case that I thought would be solved very quickly because of the remote area and the small communities surrounding it.

I'm inclined to believe the killer/killers live within pretty close proximity to the scene of the murders.

I still can't help but think that, if they would release a few clues, the public might help them solve these murders.

When the Grand Jury convened and they had 52 unsolved cases to go over, I sort of lost faith at that point.

Yellow, I kind of did too for awhile. But I'm hoping that they have narrowed things down and are just putting the case together, as strong as they can make it.

4 OSBI agents working the case full time and a No. 1 priority is still quite a bit of focus, isn't it? Here is a summary:


4 OSBI agents are now investigating the case full time.
"This case is still a No. 1 priority, full steam ahead," Brown said.
Although only four full-time agents will now be working the case, Brown said other agents will investigate the crime on a come-and-go basis.
She noted that a criminal analyst will continue with the case out of OSBI's Oklahoma City office.
She said those agents continue to be aided by Okfuskee County sheriff's deputies.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080913_12_A1_WELEET832735

[YellowDog]

Yellow, I kind of did too for awhile. But I'm hoping that they have narrowed things down and are just putting the case together, as strong as they can make it.

4 OSBI agents working the case full time and a No. 1 priority is still quite a bit of focus, isn't it? Here is a summary:


4 OSBI agents are now investigating the case full time.
"This case is still a No. 1 priority, full steam ahead," Brown said.
Although only four full-time agents will now be working the case, Brown said other agents will investigate the crime on a come-and-go basis.
She noted that a criminal analyst will continue with the case out of OSBI's Oklahoma City office.
She said those agents continue to be aided by Okfuskee County sheriff's deputies.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080913_12_A1_WELEET832735

Thanks Cloudajo. That does give me some new hope. Those alibis certainly do put some of the people who testified before the Grand Jury in very close proximity to the murders. Do any of them own four wheelers I wonder?

Hopefully, they are on the verge of an arrest.

Has it ever come out who one of the girls had a confrontation with at school?
Was it one of the suspects or a relative of one of them? Also, does anyone know which girl had the confrontation?

I would love to know what was in Taylor's purse when she was murdered. It might hold a clue. Have those contents ever been divulged?

[Ruflossn]

The other reporter also said via email to me that Mike Gaddy's parents told him that Mike was at the house of a friend who lives near where the murders took place. They were apparently in the car getting ready to go to Walmart when they heard the shots.

Note he said "they." So I assume LE verified this one way or another with the friend/family - I wonder if Walmart tapes confirmed either way.

Mike's parents also told the reporter that Mike and Dustyn had a falling out of sorts and were not hanging out together. I asked the reporter if he knew whether the falling out took place before or after the girls were murdered but he didn't respond.


Cloud,
Thank-you for your help. It is much appreciated. I have been bothered by 3 things lately, the timeline of the murders, the alibis and the autopsy results. The alibis are the things that are really on my mind.

Seriously, THANK-YOU! You saved me tons of reading and re-reading.

Flossie

[frogjustfrog]

Hello everyone,
I have been reading here for a few weeks now,and this is my first post.
Dang...I wish I had found this site a long time ago.I'm very impressed !!!!

I am a little late in doing so, but I would also like to extend a warm welcome to Kathy.
Welcome to the gang, Kathy. Glad to have you! :grouphug:

Flossie.... I have heard that locals are really wishing that the families would be looked at a little more closely. That they are not real happy with the idea that everyone in the families have been cleared according to OSBI. Do you think this could just be another story OSBI is telling us to keep certain details of the investigation from getting out?
I never liked the discreprencies between who made the first 911 call... and also as to IF anyone was even home that day or not. I wonder if anyone WAS there and we just dont know about it? I just wish something would happen! This feels more and more like an injustice to the girls and everyone! (except for the killer(s) of course)
I have been going over the videos done by ramzpaul. Things dont set right! Here is a link for anyone who would like to view them (again.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6TR-zpwsQ

There is also a part 2 and a followup. Not much more info than we already know, and some maybe not so accurate now... but still interesting.

[GetSmart]

Thanks for the info cloudjo... & the sweet pics.. I really, really... want justice for these girls !!

[frogjustfrog]

Thanks Cloudajo. That does give me some new hope. Those alibis certainly do put some of the people who testified before the Grand Jury in very close proximity to the murders. Do any of them own four wheelers I wonder?

Hopefully, they are on the verge of an arrest.

Has it ever come out who one of the girls had a confrontation with at school?
Was it one of the suspects or a relative of one of them? Also, does anyone know which girl had the confrontation?

I would love to know what was in Taylor's purse when she was murdered. It might hold a clue. Have those contents ever been divulged?

You know, I just thought of something...(probably been brought up before, but if so, oh well) but if you go by the scenerio that maybe the girls took drugs or drug money to meet someone at the bridge at 5:00, and were heading home when the person or persons they met realized that they had been ripped off, dont you think that whatever was in that purse was removed by the killer(s)? If this is the case, there would surely be some kind of dna on or in that purse wouldnt there be? Could they get prints off a fabric purse if it was made of fabric? I'm not real up on technology. I dont usually follow things like this, but this one has grabbed me HARD!

[Ruflossn]

You know, I just thought of something...(probably been brought up before, but if so, oh well) but if you go by the scenerio that maybe the girls took drugs or drug money to meet someone at the bridge at 5:00, and were heading home when the person or persons they met realized that they had been ripped off, dont you think that whatever was in that purse was removed by the killer(s)? If this is the case, there would surely be some kind of dna on or in that purse wouldnt there be? Could they get prints off a fabric purse if it was made of fabric? I'm not real up on technology. I dont usually follow things like this, but this one has grabbed me HARD!

Hey~
I am in no way a DNA expert. But, there is the new type of DNA testing called, "touch DNA". You can read about it on the Jon Benet thread on WS. I wish I could post more but, I have to log off soon.

Flossie

[oceanblueeyes]

You know, I just thought of something...(probably been brought up before, but if so, oh well) but if you go by the scenario that maybe the girls took drugs or drug money to meet someone at the bridge at 5:00, and were heading home when the person or persons they met realized that they had been ripped off, don't you think that whatever was in that purse was removed by the killer(s)? If this is the case, there would surely be some kind of dna on or in that purse wouldn't there be? Could they get prints off a fabric purse if it was made of fabric? I'm not real up on technology. I don't usually follow things like this, but this one has grabbed me HARD!

Hi Frog,

I don't think they had anything in that purse but girly things. From the autopsy report, the bag was still on Taylor's shoulder and if the perps went through it I would think the contents would have been scattered by her body instead of the purse still being on her shoulder.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

It's only been a little over three months Ocean, look how many cases we've followed where we heard nothing for many months, even years, and then all of sudden they have enough evidence for a case.

That is true. All it takes is one credible call to turn this case upside down. That one call can lead to indelible evidence and the suspects.

I sure hope someone will talk and soon.

imoo

[frogjustfrog]

The more we get to know about the kids in that area... at least the ones with webpages and their friends, the more I feel like none of these kids would snitch if their lives depended on it, because I believe their lives DO depend on it.
The OSBI is right about one thing, somebody somewhere knows something. I just wonder what it is going to take to get them to speak up. If they are young, and living with their family, then they wouldnt have the ability so much, to relocate if they testified. I just wish I knew what it would take to get them to talk. Apparently conscience isnt well known anymore. Reward? I just dont think it's high enough. Yes, I know that the thing to do would be to talk without the reward... but we are probably talking about young people here. I just dont think they are going to do it!

[oceanblueeyes]

I am a little late in doing so, but I would also like to extend a warm welcome to Kathy.
Welcome to the gang, Kathy. Glad to have you! :grouphug:

Flossie.... I have heard that locals are really wishing that the families would be looked at a little more closely. That they are not real happy with the idea that everyone in the families have been cleared according to OSBI. Do you think this could just be another story OSBI is telling us to keep certain details of the investigation from getting out?
I never liked the discrepancies between who made the first 911 call... and also as to IF anyone was even home that day or not. I wonder if anyone WAS there and we just don't know about it? I just wish something would happen! This feels more and more like an injustice to the girls and everyone! (except for the killer(s) of course)
I have been going over the videos done by ramzpaul. Things don't set right! Here is a link for anyone who would like to view them (again.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6TR-zpwsQ

There is also a part 2 and a followup. Not much more info than we already know, and some maybe not so accurate now... but still interesting.

I watched them, thanks Frog! LOL I think we could do even better than he did. lol I dont buy into his theory though.

I did notice that he said that the Skyla's family really has no criminal history but wasn't her brother, Ed Gordon, just sentenced for Second Degree Murder?

While we may not know all of the events that day and who was where, when, at any even time, I have no doubt that OSBI does know. I think they have ruled the family members out because they were able to verify where they were at the time this happened. It would be very easy to see where the pings were when Peter called Taylor around 5:10 pm. I imagine they were probably in their vehicle coming back from town and wherever they went there would be witnesses.

imoo

[frogjustfrog]

I watched them, thanks Frog! LOL I think we could do even better than he did. lol I dont buy into his theory though.

I did notice that he said that the Skyla's family really has no criminal history but wasn't her brother, Ed Gordon, just sentenced for Second Degree Murder?

While we may not know all of the events that day and who was where, when, at any even time, I have no doubt that OSBI does know. I think they have ruled the family members out because they were able to verify where they were at the time this happened. It would be very easy to see where the pings were when Peter called Taylor around 5:10 pm. I imagine they were probably in their vehicle coming back from town and wherever they went there would be witnesses.

imoo

sigh..... I hope you are right, Blueeyes. I am sure you are. I guess I have just spent too much time thinking about it again today. I just get so angry that this demon(s) are walking free! I wish we knew more so that we could have something to hope for, but I am sure OSBI and other LE have their reasons for keeping quiet about the things they know. It just feels so frustrating going over and over things. Now I am hearing that people south of the Plackers heard the shots... but I believe this is known as rumor and not reported. I keep wondering why they took these 5 into the GJ. And now we find that there was another guy arrested for burglary and booked at the same time, and for the same charge as Dustyn Dailey.
I may be on the wrong thread for just talking. I'm sorry. Just very frustrated and want this OVER! I have not forgotten these little girls!

[cloudajo]

The more we get to know about the kids in that area... at least the ones with webpages and their friends, the more I feel like none of these kids would snitch if their lives depended on it, because I believe their lives DO depend on it.
The OSBI is right about one thing, somebody somewhere knows something. I just wonder what it is going to take to get them to speak up. If they are young, and living with their family, then they wouldnt have the ability so much, to relocate if they testified. I just wish I knew what it would take to get them to talk. Apparently conscience isnt well known anymore. Reward? I just dont think it's high enough. Yes, I know that the thing to do would be to talk without the reward... but we are probably talking about young people here. I just dont think they are going to do it!

Frog, good points. I was thinking, if someone knew something about a family member or friend possibly being involved, would they go and talk to the cops if the death penalty is involved? Most likely not. Remember when they released the 911 call, I assume hoping it would have an affect on someone's conscience?

[k4kathy]

I am a little late in doing so, but I would also like to extend a warm welcome to Kathy.
Welcome to the gang, Kathy. Glad to have you! :grouphug:

Flossie.... I have heard that locals are really wishing that the families would be looked at a little more closely. That they are not real happy with the idea that everyone in the families have been cleared according to OSBI. Do you think this could just be another story OSBI is telling us to keep certain details of the investigation from getting out?
I never liked the discreprencies between who made the first 911 call... and also as to IF anyone was even home that day or not. I wonder if anyone WAS there and we just dont know about it? I just wish something would happen! This feels more and more like an injustice to the girls and everyone! (except for the killer(s) of course)
I have been going over the videos done by ramzpaul. Things dont set right! Here is a link for anyone who would like to view them (again.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6TR-zpwsQ

There is also a part 2 and a followup. Not much more info than we already know, and some maybe not so accurate now... but still interesting.

Frog,
I have thought the same thing...I've smelled a rat from the beginning.The timeline just doesn't make sense either.Is there a remote chance that the girls left the house sooner then what everyone assumes?Just a thought...
And thank you everyone for the friendly welcomes !!!!:)

[Albert18]

I get the impression the relationship between LE and the public is less than ideal in that part of Oklahoma and this existed before the murders.

So this nasty crime happens and it is obvious LE needs the public's help with this crime. What you have next is one of the worst jobs of communicating with the public that I have ever seen in a crime investigation.

Many people have defended the conduct of LE by saying they are protecting the investigation. I don't buy that for a minute. I don't think OSBI is even aware they have a problem. They will just chuck this case into a corner and lay the blame on circumstances, not their procedures.

[YellowDog]

You know, I just thought of something...(probably been brought up before, but if so, oh well) but if you go by the scenerio that maybe the girls took drugs or drug money to meet someone at the bridge at 5:00, and were heading home when the person or persons they met realized that they had been ripped off, dont you think that whatever was in that purse was removed by the killer(s)? If this is the case, there would surely be some kind of dna on or in that purse wouldnt there be? Could they get prints off a fabric purse if it was made of fabric? I'm not real up on technology. I dont usually follow things like this, but this one has grabbed me HARD!

That is definitely a strong possibility. I don't think a girl that age would take a purse just for a walk unless there was something she was carrying like cigarettes, lighter, food, soft drinks, drugs, etc., etc. There was no place to spend money along the way.

[christine2448]

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