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GetSmart
08-22-2008, 02:28 PM
Please continue here from Thread #17

Just Nose'n around
08-22-2008, 02:37 PM
How do we close the last thread?

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 02:39 PM
How do we close the last thread?
I put in a request.........it will be eventually.

Just Nose'n around
08-22-2008, 02:55 PM
http://http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/3/W/10000000d1967f1/1/208/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE.jpg (http://www.slide.com/s/thZfqVgj0D9hkcupaEvPLRNh7gYP_Tp5?referrer=hlnk)

Just Nose'n around
08-22-2008, 02:56 PM
http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/3/W/10000000d1967f1/1/208/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE.jpg (http://www.slide.com/s/thZfqVgj0D9hkcupaEvPLRNh7gYP_Tp5?referrer=hlnk)

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 02:58 PM
I can not read all of that....and I sure liked the orginal cross better.

tapu
08-22-2008, 03:01 PM
Thanks, Nose. The roadblock makes sense now. A little late in the process, perhaps, but at least the investigation is that active.

tapu
08-22-2008, 03:02 PM
I can not read all of that....and I sure liked the orginal cross better.

Click (double-click) the image there and it will take you to a place where you can select viewing it at full size.

ywia :)

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 03:03 PM
I put in a request.........it will be eventually.


Thank you TG :crazy:

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 03:03 PM
I guess, it doesn't make much sense to me at all, but the request to bring in all registered guns didn't make sense either...Guess they are just grasping straws

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 03:05 PM
What,,,,do they actually think the murderer is going to drive-through there...with the unregistered guns??

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 03:12 PM
Thank you Nose!!! :)

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 03:39 PM
Okay, you may not agree but I'm going to say it before my head explodes anyway...and then you can kick me.

Let's say the roadblock WAS related to this case since it's pretty transparent. They set this roadblock up between Bryant and Coleman Rd, right? The only possible way LE could ever hope to find THAT particular gun on someone in THAT specific location...is if he LIVES between those two roads. They haven't got probable cause to search his residence, they believe that he has the gun but have no concrete proof because it's not registered....so they set up the roadblock hoping to catch him coming away from his residence with the gun on him. They are free to set up roadblocks wherever they wish. Then all he has to do is go through there, act suspicious, and they have an excuse to search the vehicle. Picture it. Let's say LE purposely sets up this roadblock 123, on the sly, while this guy is at home. If he leaves home with that gun, he has no idea there's half a roadblock waiting for him whichever way he goes. They were hoping he'd panic, freak and act oddly.
Just a theory....but if this were true...then obviously it failed miserably. I'm just thinking that a Glock .40 cal is a gun you get attached to if you're a gun freak. Glock makes an outstanding weapon. This one cost someone in upwards of $600, minimum, if he bought it new. It's designed for one thing..what this one was used for in this instance. LE is probably of the mindset that either the person who has it doesn't know it was used for this purpose or doesn't want to come forward and say that he thinks that it was. And I bet they're thinking that if you've got a Glock .40....you keep it. I have a .9mm (model 19) and I wouldn't trade it for nuthin'.
They sent letters out looking for Glock .40's. Then they set up a road block right around the crime scene. They know that gun is down there somewhere...CLOSE. They announced that they were looking for that gun and someone squealed. They just aren't sure yet if the information is credible. They're trying to flush him out.

YellowDog
08-22-2008, 04:38 PM
I think the gun testing was done strictly in the hopes that, if teens had borrowed Daddy's gun without him knowing about it, committed the murders and then quietly put the gun back where it was kept, they'd find the killer/killers.

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 04:48 PM
Hmmmm, just a couple of homes on tha

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 04:49 PM
that road...Plackers, Plackers, Newmans....and Patterson.

tapu
08-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Sigh. I'm thinking the gun testing and the roadblock are both just shots in the dark. (The latter just an attempt to find some other witness.) As Jessica Brown has let us know, they have nothing right now.

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 04:56 PM
What a waste of county funds and man power.

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 04:58 PM
I tend to sadly agree, MS and tapu...

sheza
08-22-2008, 05:21 PM
The new rumor today is Placker's turning on Placker's.
??

Note- Rumor only!

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 05:27 PM
Ok, are you going to share this rumor with us Skeza? C'on...I think everyone would appreciate that it is only a rumor

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 05:29 PM
Wait, lets make sure rumors are permitted

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 05:30 PM
Sheza, we are the only two on this forum

sheza
08-22-2008, 05:36 PM
Ok, are you going to share this rumor with us Skeza? C'on...I think everyone would appreciate that it is only a rumor

and thats all it is right now- Rumor

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 05:38 PM
http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/3/W/10000000d1967f1/1/208/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE.jpg (http://www.slide.com/s/thZfqVgj0D9hkcupaEvPLRNh7gYP_Tp5?referrer=hlnk)

This is awesome. Thanks for posting it for all to read!

Ruflossn

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 05:41 PM
The new rumor today is Placker's turning on Placker's.
??

Note- Rumor only!

Hi Sheza~

I hope this means that someone is beginning to have a conscience and maybe will tell something worth while to LE? So many people seem to be pointing fingers at various family members that I am beginning to wonder if their might be something true to the statements.

This case is so confusing on so many aspects.
Thanks for keeping us non-locals abreast of the happenings in and around the area.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 05:49 PM
Regarding the scanned article Just Nos'n posted, I'm wondering why this young woman doesn't pursue this case and dig further for facts and a story since she lives fairly close in Dewar?

She must have connections as she had the letter that was handed out, or maybe she was one of those who were stopped in that area???

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 05:50 PM
The new rumor today is Placker's turning on Placker's.
??

Note- Rumor only!

Sheza???

Okay, it a rumor....would you PAHLEEZE decipher this "rumor" for the restof us hanging on the edges of our desks?

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 06:03 PM
Yeah, nice to see all thosfunds wasted, I'm beginnging to wonder about Okfuskee County.

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 06:05 PM
I think Sheza left

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 06:07 PM
Ok I just had a thought.. I feel like a late bloomer!!! LOL
Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I remember when the Ohio woman & her daughters were killed in Tampa years ago by that Oden fellow they put up a note he had written on billboards around the state for someone to identify the handwritting. Now that sems like such a long shot but sure enough it helped leads to the Roger's family killer. Even if the cross that was defaced was just passed off as vandels why can't they try & find out a match to that handwriting ?

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 06:07 PM
I'm sure she'll be on later to share the rumor. Maybe, she had a phone call comfirming the pending arrest she has heard about

sheza
08-22-2008, 06:12 PM
Locals are all waiting to hear something also..everyones calling everyone!

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 06:12 PM
You're trying to make me eat my keyboard, aren't you????



WHAT?????????



Good grief....I'm going to need blood pressure medication before this is overwith.....

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 06:16 PM
Sheza, tell it...if it doesn't pan out...they won't hold it against you

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 06:26 PM
Please tell it! If you don't feel comfortable telling it on the board PLEASE PM me.

Thank You.

:-)

sheza
08-22-2008, 06:32 PM
Local's has said all along.. LE's will catch the killer on a Friday..then have to wait until Monday to know anything.

sheza
08-22-2008, 06:37 PM
Sheza, tell it...if it doesn't pan out...they won't hold it against you

You tell whats being said Sarah... Then you can get blasted if it turns out not to be true.

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 06:38 PM
*scratches head*

ok. Are you hearing there might be an arrest tonight?
I hope so, but if it happens I bet we'll know something before Monday.

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 06:39 PM
Well someone PM me about it, I won't tell the board, and I certainly won't hold it against you if it turns out not to be true, because you are clearly saying it's a rumor going around by locals.

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 06:42 PM
Well if you're not going to post it then PM me TOO!!!

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 06:51 PM
Okay, I started a thread just for Rumors/Not Verified here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69449)

Now you're covered sheza, or anyone!

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 06:59 PM
Ok, I"m here noo

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:01 PM
there isn't anyone there

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:01 PM
has she told anyone yet?

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 07:02 PM
Thanks TG, thats a good idea.
That way, if you don't want to get offended and all bent out of shape over rumors, then you can just avoid that thread.


ETA.

By "you" I mean anyone on the board.

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:02 PM
I posted it in the rumor room

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 07:02 PM
I know about the rumor. Do you want me to take the heat and post what I read somewhere about it??

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 07:03 PM
Thanks Missing Sarah.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:04 PM
I know about the rumor. Do you want me to take the heat and post what I read somewhere about it??
No thank you, Sarah has done so!

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:13 PM
I don't think I remember the last time my heart was beating this fast. It's only a rumor, I know, but still... :(

Trino
08-22-2008, 07:20 PM
Assuming the rumor holds true, what would be the motive?

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:22 PM
I couldn't even begin to guess, personally.

Trino
08-22-2008, 07:23 PM
I've searched for news reports of PP arrest. One would think it would be all over the news, but I've found nothing.

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 07:30 PM
Just to be clear...it's been a while and I've read so much about this case it all swims in my head together. Now I think is a good time to remind me...does Ok have the death penalty?

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:30 PM
Same here, trino... None of my alerts on my phone went off either... Perhaps IF it's true they're going to wait for a press conference to announce it?

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:33 PM
According to deathpenaltyinfo.org, OK does have the DP, method: Injection (Allows for Electrocution -- then Firing Squad should other methods be deemed unconstitutional). Obviously I'm not a local so if that's wrong please correct me.

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 07:34 PM
just checkin'.....cool beans

little726
08-22-2008, 07:36 PM
Great idea about having a "rumor room", TG. Thank you.

sheza
08-22-2008, 07:36 PM
just checkin'.....cool beans

Could they make an arrest on just what one person may say?

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 07:38 PM
I would think that would depend on the credibility of the person telling it...then of course they would have to have evidence to back it up.

sheza
08-22-2008, 07:46 PM
Great idea about having a "rumor room", TG. Thank you.

yes, Thank You

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 08:23 PM
There must be a reason.. Would the arrest be under county lock up?
Maybe it was just for questioning, remember " or he knew who did it"

tapu
08-22-2008, 08:39 PM
I would be very surprised to find out that authorities had not already looked into any weapons in the home....


(And as an aside: I think I'm going to have a coronary waiting for this case to break.)

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 08:49 PM
I would be very surprised to find out that authorities had not already looked into any weapons in the home....


(And as an aside: I think I'm going to have a coronary waiting for this case to break.)

You and me both tap.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:52 PM
You and me both tap.
Don't any of us drop like flies now, we have 19 guests reading our posts...........we have to hang tough togehter here :)

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 08:57 PM
You and me both tap.
...me too. I sure hope they have WiFi in my hospital room so I can keep up on what's happening :D

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 09:25 PM
I forgot to take my blood pressure pill today.. I just took it really!!!

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 09:52 PM
(Slightly OT, sorry) You know, I'm starting to think it wasn't such a good idea to subscribe to 6 threads and have the "instant" e-mail notification turned on... My blackberry has been dinging CONSTANTLY for the past 4 hours! :p

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 10:06 PM
...me too. I sure hope they have WiFi in my hospital room so I can keep up on what's happening :D

ya'll are cracking me up!!!

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 10:07 PM
(Slightly OT, sorry) You know, I'm starting to think it wasn't such a good idea to subscribe to 6 threads and have the "instant" e-mail notification turned on... My blackberry has been dinging CONSTANTLY for the past 4 hours! :p


Stop it! My cheeks hurt from smiling and laughing!!!

CCme
08-22-2008, 10:26 PM
nothing to add to thread just that count me among those waiting anxiously for this case to break. I have not forgotten these girls and have kept checking back often in hopes of **something**.. Hope this is it.

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 10:34 PM
(Slightly OT, sorry) You know, I'm starting to think it wasn't such a good idea to subscribe to 6 threads and have the "instant" e-mail notification turned on... My blackberry has been dinging CONSTANTLY for the past 4 hours! :p


OOPS !!! :beamup: thats funny... I liked this new smiley thing... its beam me up.. I never seen it before...

Mysterylover
08-22-2008, 11:57 PM
The new rumor today is Placker's turning on Placker's.
??

Note- Rumor only!

Maybe Vickie ran across a .40 cal. glock while she was packing to move.....jmo

SeriouslySearching
08-23-2008, 02:04 AM
I am pretty sure you guys have already discussed this, but it burned me up when I read this:

Golden, who now lives in Oklahoma City, said the fear of police persecution is one reason the large Indian community isn't talking.

"We're not going to get treated fairly," she said shortly after the murders. "Automatically people are assuming that this Indian did something wrong just because he was in the vicinity."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408781,00.html

Even the Bandidos wouldn't cover up for scum who possibly killed two little girls...but now this woman is saying our Indian community WILL?!?! WTH?! NOT the Indians I know!!! GRRRRRRR! :furious::furious::furious:

Fairy1
08-23-2008, 02:23 AM
I am pretty sure you guys have already discussed this, but it burned me up when I read this:

Golden, who now lives in Oklahoma City, said the fear of police persecution is one reason the large Indian community isn't talking.

"We're not going to get treated fairly," she said shortly after the murders. "Automatically people are assuming that this Indian did something wrong just because he was in the vicinity."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408781,00.html

Even the Bandidos wouldn't cover up for scum who possibly killed two little girls...but now this woman is saying our Indian community WILL?!?! WTH?! NOT the Indians I know!!! GRRRRRRR! :furious::furious::furious:

This is certainly not unique to the Native American community. Sadly, it is happening all over the US. "Snitches" are targeted and they fear for their lives. And with good reason, I'm afraid. There has to be a better way for those who have valuable information to come forward without fear of retribution - NOT from LE, but from their own people. :confused:

cloudajo
08-23-2008, 07:38 AM
Just Nos'n Around - thanks for posting article re roadblock. I pulled out text from the article (below) to review what they checked for. Since they started this on a Sunday and the crimes occurred on a Sunday, sounds like this was done to get any new or additional info from anyone who may have been driving in the area on Sun June 8 as a follow up to earlier interviews they did? I wonder if it yielded any additional info.
===========
Local Paper – Aug 22 – Scanned image posted by Just Nos’n Around
Sunday and Monday (Aug 17 & 18) – Roadblock from Bryant Rd to just south of the residence once occupied by the Placker family

According to a form found after officials had left, this is what they were looking for:
Road Block Canvas
Location of Road Block
Advise drivers of nature of investigation

· Vehicle registration, State, Tag
· Vehicle description
· Completely ID all vehicle occupants
· How often do they travel route
· Did they travel on the date of the incident
· What time did they travel and what vehicle
· What did they observe
· Determine time they made observation and how they established time
· What other vehicle observed at the time
· What people were observed at that time
· Obtain any information they can provide
· If appropriate obtain permission to search vehicle
Date, Time, Officer

http://deco-01.slide.com/r/1/208/dl/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE/watermark (http://deco-01.slide.com/r/1/208/dl/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE/watermark)

cloudajo
08-23-2008, 07:45 AM
Not sure if posted already, but I saw a more recent one in Aug for Christopher (Taylor's brother) when looking for any recent Placker records. Just for information purposes.



Date Filed: 08/05/2008

Domestic A&B (Assault & Battery) By Strangulation
Defendant PLACKER, CHRISTOPHER RYAN - SALLISAW OK
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-CF%20%200800319&County=068- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-CF%20%200800319&County=068-)



Date Filed: 07/25/2008

Protective Order
Martin, Christy vs. Placker, Christopher R. (Defendant)
07/28/2008 SHERIFF'S RETURN SERVED (CHRISTOPHER RYAN PLACKER) BY LEAVING A COPY WITH RESIDENT ON 7-25-08
08/19/2008 CM: AJH DISMISSED WITH COST TO PLAINTIFF
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-PO%20%200800193&County=068- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-PO%20%200800193&County=068-)

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Missing Sarah http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2512539#post2512539)
We are also going to visit Claudia next week-end, if our plans work out. Just to take her a card, and chat a bit see how she is doing



Are you still planning to go over & see Claudia?

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 03:54 PM
Not sure if posted already, but I saw a more recent one in Aug for Christopher (Taylor's brother) when looking for any recent Placker records. Just for information purposes.



Date Filed: 08/05/2008

Domestic A&B (Assault & Battery) By Strangulation
Defendant PLACKER, CHRISTOPHER RYAN - SALLISAW OK
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-CF%20%200800319&County=068- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-CF%20%200800319&County=068-)



Date Filed: 07/25/2008

Protective Order
Martin, Christy vs. Placker, Christopher R. (Defendant)
07/28/2008 SHERIFF'S RETURN SERVED (CHRISTOPHER RYAN PLACKER) BY LEAVING A COPY WITH RESIDENT ON 7-25-08
08/19/2008 CM: AJH DISMISSED WITH COST TO PLAINTIFF
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-PO%20%200800193&County=068- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-PO%20%200800193&County=068-)
Thank you for this information, cloud :)

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 04:16 PM
Thank you for this information, cloud :)
Is that you in your Avatar (Rich)?

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 04:38 PM
Indeed it is... For some reason I forgot that every time I post it's displayed. Didn't mean to scare anyone! :D

At least it's only 100 pixels wide, or I'd REALLY be in trouble (lol).

Trino
08-23-2008, 08:10 PM
Topix posters have mentioned items have been stolen from the memorial. Isn't this totally disrespectful?

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 08:46 PM
Topix posters have mentioned items have been stolen from the memorial. Isn't this totally disrespectful?
If it's true, Trino, then it breaks my heart to hear about it. I can't imagine how someone can do something like that and not feel the least bit guilty about it. So yes, you're right... It would be COMPLETELY disrespectful.

Trino
08-23-2008, 09:13 PM
They have mentioned batteries and several stuffed animals that are no longer there.

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 09:14 PM
I found this very interesting.

Brown said 40 of those owners showed up with their guns, which were fired outside the courthouse.

She said about five owners contacted the OSBI to say they no longer owned the weapons, although they did provide the names of the new owners.

“We’ll be checking on them,” Brown said, as well as the 15 or so registered gun owners who did not show up for the test firings.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080818_1__WELEE32641

Why wouldn't anyone rush to cooperate with OSBI so that they could have their gun ruled out completely?

It will be very interesting to see what they find out concerning the 15 no shows. Some may have moved but then it seems like LE would be notified of that and if they left no change of address the individual letter would have come back to OSBI.

imoo

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 10:01 PM
Very good point, ocean.

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 10:03 PM
They have mentioned batteries and several stuffed animals that are no longer there.
Well now that just tears me up inside. How despicable. :(

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 10:44 PM
I wonder if a cheap wireless camera could be set up.. is there such a thing?? I know we bought a camera from Harbor Frieght for our driveway cause we had gas stolen from both trucks... we caught the the punk boyfriend of the girl across the street ha ha ..

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 12:26 AM
Is that you in your Avatar (Rich)?

O/T
Oh I finally get it DAH !!! I am looking and looking for the hidden image on the keyboard. LOL..Gotta go to sleep now, I am losing it.

Tom'sGirl
08-24-2008, 12:36 AM
O/T
Oh I finally get it DAH !!! I am looking and looking for the hidden image on the keyboard. LOL..Gotta go to sleep now, I am losing it.
LOL, he changed his Avatar to a Keyboard, it had been his photo :)

SeriouslySearching
08-24-2008, 11:37 AM
Not sure if posted already, but I saw a more recent one in Aug for Christopher (Taylor's brother) when looking for any recent Placker records. Just for information purposes.



Date Filed: 08/05/2008

Domestic A&B (Assault & Battery) By Strangulation
Defendant PLACKER, CHRISTOPHER RYAN - SALLISAW OK
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-CF%20%200800319&County=068- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-CF%20%200800319&County=068-)



Date Filed: 07/25/2008

Protective Order
Martin, Christy vs. Placker, Christopher R. (Defendant)
07/28/2008 SHERIFF'S RETURN SERVED (CHRISTOPHER RYAN PLACKER) BY LEAVING A COPY WITH RESIDENT ON 7-25-08
08/19/2008 CM: AJH DISMISSED WITH COST TO PLAINTIFF
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-PO%20%200800193&County=068- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=068-PO%20%200800193&County=068-)Wow! Strangulation. I would say that is some serious abuse going on. Does he have prior abuse charges? And what is up with the dismissal?! They really don't do much besides slap these people on the hand, do they?

SeriouslySearching
08-24-2008, 11:42 AM
Just Nos'n Around - thanks for posting article re roadblock. I pulled out text from the article (below) to review what they checked for. Since they started this on a Sunday and the crimes occurred on a Sunday, sounds like this was done to get any new or additional info from anyone who may have been driving in the area on Sun June 8 as a follow up to earlier interviews they did? I wonder if it yielded any additional info.
===========
Local Paper – Aug 22 – Scanned image posted by Just Nos’n Around
Sunday and Monday (Aug 17 & 18) – Roadblock from Bryant Rd to just south of the residence once occupied by the Placker family

According to a form found after officials had left, this is what they were looking for:
Road Block Canvas
Location of Road Block
Advise drivers of nature of investigation

· Vehicle registration, State, Tag
· Vehicle description
· Completely ID all vehicle occupants
· How often do they travel route
· Did they travel on the date of the incident
· What time did they travel and what vehicle
· What did they observe
· Determine time they made observation and how they established time
· What other vehicle observed at the time
· What people were observed at that time
· Obtain any information they can provide
· If appropriate obtain permission to search vehicle
Date, Time, Officer

http://deco-01.slide.com/r/1/208/dl/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE/watermark (http://deco-01.slide.com/r/1/208/dl/jyDWgFEe4T9r_9GzRo6nY6AbYaf0d6uE/watermark)Excellent find. Sure makes me wonder why they didn't do this immediately? Seems like waiting this long doesn't make nearly as much sense. Maybe if they had been out there for the whole week after the shootings, they would be further ahead.

KeyboardPlayer
08-24-2008, 01:12 PM
O/T
Oh I finally get it DAH !!! I am looking and looking for the hidden image on the keyboard. LOL..Gotta go to sleep now, I am losing it.
LOL.... Keep looking GS, it's there... Shoot, hold on, I gotta shoo away all these flying monkeys... :p Just kidding. Honestly, this case (and poking around on WS) has got me to the point that I have become so sleep-deprived that I think I see Elvis in a bowl of oatmeal. Hang in there :)

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 05:14 PM
Wow everybody we have 27 people on our thread.......

Cagney
08-25-2008, 01:23 PM
I am wondering where I can find more info about the message left on the road side memorial?

Message is found at girls' memorial
WELEETKA — It's unclear whether a message scrawled in marker on a roadside memorial cross was meant to taunt investigators or be a joke. Either way, it is a stark reminder why people in a previously low-crime area of rural Okfuskee County started locking their doors last month.
Here is the link:
http://newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings
It was posted next to a pic of the memorial.

GetSmart
08-25-2008, 02:04 PM
This all we really have cagney..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66462&page=2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66462&page=2)


Scanned Newspaper article re: Cross Tampering
Thought I would put a link here to an image scanned in regards to the cross being tampered with. A poster on another forum scanned it.

Thanks way2concerned for your scan, good job done. Hope you can join us soon.

http://tinypic.com/1r4zyown (http://tinypic.com/1r4zyown)

frogjustfrog
08-25-2008, 02:14 PM
I am wondering where I can find more info about the message left on the road side memorial?

Here is the link:
http://newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings
It was posted next to a pic of the memorial.

Welcome to this thread, Cagney. I dont believe I have seen you here, but I havent been here that long myself.
Do you mind if I ask you what drew you here? I just wonder those things sometimes. Do you have any theories that stick out to you? Or feelings or such?

Trino
08-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Does anyone have info re: how much money the Plackers dropped at the casino? Gosh. It me boil that they couldn't afford to pay for the funeral and haven't established a reward fund, yet they hit the casino. I know they're not traditional, but there should be values somewhere in the family.

Tom'sGirl
08-26-2008, 12:49 PM
Does anyone have info re: how much money the Plackers dropped at the casino? Gosh. It me boil that they couldn't afford to pay for the funeral and haven't established a reward fund, yet they hit the casino. I know they're not traditional, but there should be values somewhere in the family.
A few things could have been done with the monies left over after Funeral expenses were paid by both families such as the Reward Fund, or a Scholarship Fund.

Obviously they have chosen not to do so. When you donate a money gift set up by a Bank to anyone, you have no say, or control over how they spend the money.

However, their decisions may have played a part as to why many now are not contributing to the Reward Fund...........dunno http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/06.gif

oceanblueeyes
08-26-2008, 01:22 PM
Does anyone have info re: how much money the Plackers dropped at the casino? Gosh. It me boil that they couldn't afford to pay for the funeral and haven't established a reward fund, yet they hit the casino. I know they're not traditional, but there should be values somewhere in the family.

I don't know if anyone is following behind them tallying it up but when Sheza went there if I recall correctly she said that Vicky was playing the nickle machine and PP had spent about $20.00.

I think she said they were there with someone else maybe their daughter. Maybe she gave them the money to play just to get their minds off of everything for a short while.

I don't really know though. I have seen tragedy strike before and after a few months the family members try to do something to get their minds off of their pain. Of course it usually doesn't work.

imoo

KeyboardPlayer
08-26-2008, 01:24 PM
I don't know if anyone is following behind them tallying it up but when Sheza went there if I recall correctly she said that Vicky was playing the nickle machine and PP had spent about $20.00.

I think she said they were there with someone else maybe their daughter. Maybe she gave them the money to play just to get their minds off of everything for a short while.

I don't really know though. I have seen tragedy strike before and after a few months the family members try to do something to get their minds off of their pain.

imoo

That's kinda what I was thinking too, ocean (IMO).

YellowDog
08-26-2008, 01:29 PM
Has any new information surfaced on the old guy that lives behind the Plackers? Has he been cleared of suspicion?

oceanblueeyes
08-26-2008, 01:34 PM
That's kinda what I was thinking too, ocean (IMO).

And it seemed not to be working. From what Sheza said Vicky sat there like she was in a stupor. I am sure her heart nor her mind was into playing slots.

Do we even know how much has been raised in the fund?

The reason I ask is my father in law died last September and his funeral expenses were $10,000. Taylor's funeral looked very nice and I believe it was of a higher price than the average. JMO tho.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-26-2008, 01:38 PM
Has any new information surfaced on the old guy that lives behind the Plackers? Has he been cleared of suspicion?

Is this the old man that is supposed to have some kind of mental issues?

I am not sure which man you are referring to.....YD. Do we know his name?

imoo

YellowDog
08-26-2008, 02:05 PM
Is this the old man that is supposed to have some kind of mental issues?

I am not sure which man you are referring to.....YD. Do we know his name?

imoo

Yes, I believe his name is Patterson.

oceanblueeyes
08-26-2008, 02:32 PM
Yes, I believe his name is Patterson.

I am not sure who the 100 consist of that OSBI says they have ruled out.

imoo

Just Nose'n around
08-26-2008, 07:41 PM
So the Henryetta Free-Lance have the BFF Bracelets available. If anyone would like to contact them instead of Graham Public Schools, or you can PM me and I can get some for you!

KeyboardPlayer
08-26-2008, 07:47 PM
So the Henryetta Free-Lance have the BFF Bracelets available. If anyone would like to contact them instead of Graham Public Schools, or you can PM me and I can get some for you!

Awfully kind of you, JNA... Yeah no doubt those at the school have their hands full as it is. The secretary told me that they first decided to sell them to the general public because they had been getting SO MANY requests for them. Seems like it's probably a full-time job just stuffing envelopes and sending them out. Bless them for doing it, though, with everything else they have to deal with. :)

Just Nose'n around
08-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Awfully kind of you, JNA... Yeah no doubt those at the school have their hands full as it is. The secretary told me that they first decided to sell them to the general public because they had been getting SO MANY requests for them. Seems like it's probably a full-time job just stuffing envelopes and sending them out. Bless them for doing it, though, with everything else they have to deal with. :)

Indeed...I also was told there was going to be a place in Dustin and in Weleetka that would be selling them. One of the gas stations in Henryetta is selling them as well.

FlowerChild
08-26-2008, 08:22 PM
Is this the old man that is supposed to have some kind of mental issues?

I am not sure which man you are referring to.....YD. Do we know his name?

imoo
Yes, Patterson, and he DOES have mental issues - all on his public records. He gets in trouble with the law and they commit him to a mental facility, not jail.
It's all been posted here - back a few threads
My Opinion

KeyboardPlayer
08-28-2008, 11:13 AM
I keep seeing conflicting reports as to the date of the girls' sleepover... One place says they were planning it for Sunday night, others say it happened on Saturday night. My thought was Saturday night since Skyla was getting picked up on Sunday. This sound right?

Cheers all,
KP

little726
08-28-2008, 11:18 AM
I keep seeing conflicting reports as to the date of the girls' sleepover... One place says they were planning it for Sunday night, others say it happened on Saturday night. My thought was Saturday night since Skyla was getting picked up on Sunday. This sound right?

Cheers all,
KP

Sounds right to me, KP.

YellowDog
08-28-2008, 11:18 AM
I keep seeing conflicting reports as to the date of the girls' sleepover... One place says they were planning it for Sunday night, others say it happened on Saturday night. My thought was Saturday night since Skyla was getting picked up on Sunday. This sound right?

Cheers all,
KP

Hi Keyboard:
That's what I think, too. I believe Skyla was to be picked up the afternoon of the murders.

KeyboardPlayer
08-28-2008, 11:20 AM
Cool, thanks all :)

GetSmart
08-28-2008, 11:38 AM
Do you think we will ever get the real story? I mean like
Who was home..& not home
The Times
Why it was said PP looked for Taylor's cell & called did he call but it did not go thru?

adielphia
08-28-2008, 02:39 PM
Hello all I am new to websleuths. This is just horrible what happened to these beautiful babies, I hope and pray they find the killer/killers!

Tom'sGirl
08-28-2008, 02:57 PM
Hello all I am new to websleuths. This is just horrible what happened to these beautiful babies, I hope and pray they find the killer/killers!

Welcome to Websleuths, we have many links here regarding this case. Here's the link for http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/subscribed.gif New Posters & Long Time Lurkers (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66527)

adielphia
08-28-2008, 03:09 PM
Thank you and have a wonderful day!

barbanneb
08-28-2008, 03:15 PM
Does anyone know where Tony Paschal was living at the time of the murders? I did a search before posting and could not find anything. Today is the first time I saw his photo.

Claycat
08-29-2008, 12:17 PM
Does anyone know where Tony Paschal was living at the time of the murders? I did a search before posting and could not find anything. Today is the first time I saw his photo.

Hi Barbanneb! He is in the offender lookup. Did you see this?

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=96494&offender_book_id=7634

I looked at People Search and found a Tony C. Paschal that had lived in Sallisaw, OK, and one who had lived several places in Oklahoma City, OK, and one place in Enid, OK. That was all I could find out without paying. He was in jail until May.

KeyboardPlayer
08-29-2008, 12:33 PM
Hi Barbanneb! He is in the offender lookup. Did you see this?

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=96494&offender_book_id=7634

I looked at People Search and found a Tony C. Paschal that had lived in Sallisaw, OK, and one who had lived several places in Oklahoma City, OK, and one place in Enid, OK. That was all I could find out without paying. He was in jail until May.

Hi claycat!! Looking at that link, I see lots of entries containing "Cds". This may be a stupid question, but what in blazes is "Cds"? Some kind of drug?

barbanneb
08-29-2008, 12:35 PM
Hi Barbanneb! He is in the offender lookup. Did you see this?

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=96494&offender_book_id=7634

I looked at People Search and found a Tony C. Paschal that had lived in Sallisaw, OK, and one who had lived several places in Oklahoma City, OK, and one place in Enid, OK. That was all I could find out without paying. He was in jail until May.

Thanks Claycat! I wonder if there was an "informant" to help put him away last time. There were many counts of the same charge of distributing which I would imagine would come from undercover buys. I wonder if he was at the funerals.

KeyboardPlayer
08-29-2008, 12:38 PM
Never mind, found it (helps if I read the whole dang thing)... Distribution Of Cds (Methamphetamine). Sorry. Have a great day! Oh, and hi there barbanneb!! :)

Cheers,
KP

YellowDog
08-29-2008, 04:49 PM
This case is dying thread by thread on here. No news. Same old story day after day after day. I'm afraid this will go down as another Oklahoma unsolved murder.

Tom'sGirl
08-29-2008, 04:55 PM
This case is dying thread by thread on here. No news. Same old story day after day after day. I'm afraid this will go down as another Oklahoma unsolved murder.
We were lucky enough for this case to get its own Forum.

Many cases go through a 'lull'! Sometimes those following along think more time has elapsed that has. Look around, there are many Forums with little or no activity.

It will be here until it's either solved, or considered a Cold Case and then it will go to Archieved cases.

KeyboardPlayer
08-29-2008, 05:01 PM
...and I, for one, will be wherever the forum is until the very end. :)

Ruflossn
08-29-2008, 05:06 PM
...and I, for one, will be wherever the forum is until the very end. :)

Me Too!!!

YellowDog
08-29-2008, 05:12 PM
I will too but I'm getting discouraged.

Mysterylover
08-29-2008, 05:21 PM
I am not sure who the 100 consist of that OSBI says they have ruled out.

imoo
It would be quite enlightening to know who the 100 was and where.

Would the 100 be a tenth of the entire towns population?

KeyboardPlayer
08-29-2008, 05:22 PM
I will too but I'm getting discouraged.
Completely understandable, YD... It's tough reading the news and the board day after day and seeing nothing new. Some cases, though, take longer to solve than others, and while I may get discouraged from time to time myself, I believe in my heart that justice for Taylor and Skyla will eventually come. We just don't know when... :)

Mysterylover
08-29-2008, 06:16 PM
I will too but I'm getting discouraged...

YellowDog,
Don't get discouraged, there are some interesting discussions on weleetka Topix today, starting on page 524, about folks in that community.

Claycat
08-29-2008, 11:35 PM
YellowDog,
Don't get discouraged, there are some interesting discussions on weleetka Topix today, starting on page 524, about folks in that community.

Yes, and some of it was immediately deleted.

little726
08-31-2008, 09:17 AM
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/high_school_cheerleading.htm

Do any of the "locals" know who the NA cheerleader is in this picture? I have noticed her face is blacked out in all the others.

She is the one on the left. Very tall.

little726
08-31-2008, 09:24 AM
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/district_champs_05_softball_a.jpg

There are alot of the faces blacked out in this one, also.

Mysterylover
08-31-2008, 09:56 AM
The 5th grade School Queen, sweet Taylor

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/elementary_royalty.htm

Mysterylover
08-31-2008, 10:01 AM
Is the cute girl standing on the left in the back roll of the basket ball team pic, Skyla?
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/elementary_basketball.htm

Little726,
Scroll down to the botton of page, Homecoming Pep Rally pictures. This same girl has her face blotted-out on 2 pictures, here also...good question why? what religion?

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/homecoming.htm

Claycat
08-31-2008, 10:30 AM
Yes, that's Skyla!

Mysterylover
08-31-2008, 10:40 AM
Thanks, ClayCat my friend

little726
08-31-2008, 11:14 AM
I finally got my speakers fixed and was watching all the videos about this case. There was a NA girl who made the comment that Taylor was "very loud." I'll go back and see if I can find it.

Her statement has stuck in my head for some reason.

little726
08-31-2008, 11:18 AM
Is the cute girl standing on the left in the back roll of the basket ball team pic, Skyla?
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/elementary_basketball.htm

Little726,
Scroll down to the botton of page, Homecoming Pep Rally pictures. This same girl has her face blotted-out on 2 pictures, here also...good question why? what religion?

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/homecoming.htm

Letsthink, her picture wasn't blacked out back in June, when I first saw it.

I realize that some parents might not want their childrens faces on the internet. Also, with her being NA, that might explain it. I just don't know at this point.

little726
08-31-2008, 11:56 AM
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/district_champs_05_softball_a.jpg

Here is the link to the video I mentioned. I think the girl's name is Lara or Laura Harjo. She was making reference to Taylor and Skyla being loud, when it came to cheerleading.

I guess I was just making reference to it because of Taylor being shot in the face.

little726
08-31-2008, 12:52 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=309562466

Linda Placker is back online.

KeyboardPlayer
08-31-2008, 02:30 PM
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/district_champs_05_softball_a.jpg

Here is the link to the video I mentioned. I think the girl's name is Lara or Laura Harjo. She was making reference to Taylor and Skyla being loud, when it came to cheerleading.

I guess I was just making reference to it because of Taylor being shot in the face.
Hi there little,

...aren't cheerleaders SUPPOSED to be loud? :p

Do you have a video link? That link just goes to a picture. Interesting how so many of their faces are obfuscated in this pic though (almost half the team!). :)

little726
08-31-2008, 03:00 PM
Sorry, KP. Somehow, the wrong link came up. Will try it again.

little726
08-31-2008, 03:06 PM
http://www.okcfox.com/players/news/top_stories/mywx_vid_1389.shtml

Try this one.

ArizonaGiGi
08-31-2008, 07:16 PM
Is the cute girl standing on the left in the back roll of the basket ball team pic, Skyla?
http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/elementary_basketball.htm

Little726,
Scroll down to the botton of page, Homecoming Pep Rally pictures. This same girl has her face blotted-out on 2 pictures, here also...good question why? what religion?

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/homecoming.htm


There is a 2nd grade Princess named Kayleigh Paschal. Anybody know who her parents are?

Claycat
08-31-2008, 07:37 PM
There is a 2nd grade Princess named Kayleigh Paschal. Anybody know who her parents are?

Good Catch!

Tom'sGirl
08-31-2008, 07:53 PM
Just a reminder before anyone gets the notion to post a Minor's Photo here that it's against
the policy of Websleuths to do so!


I'm not saying anyone would, but just in case some newer posters don't know the rules.

CCme
08-31-2008, 10:25 PM
...and I, for one, will be wherever the forum is until the very end. :)
I agree. This thread may not be many as compared to the Caylee case- but I will go and follow this until there is justice.

CCme
08-31-2008, 10:27 PM
I will too but I'm getting discouraged. Perhaps we can help turn that discouragement into patience ?

YellowDog
08-31-2008, 11:40 PM
YellowDog,
Don't get discouraged, there are some interesting discussions on weleetka Topix today, starting on page 524, about folks in that community.

I went to Topix but I didn't see the information about folks in the community that you were talking about.

Trino
09-01-2008, 12:11 AM
Many Topix posts have been deleted (disgusting comments), so it's not surprising.

SailorMoon
09-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Well, let's think positive that this case will be solved. Kinda of o/t but another case that seemed to have no real leads or answers was poor CoralRose Fullwood's murder. And they arrested someone recently for that. I never that day would come. I have to keep thinking that someone will crack. Or dna will show up. It has to.

KeyboardPlayer
09-01-2008, 10:49 AM
Well, let's think positive that this case will be solved. Kinda of o/t but another case that seemed to have no real leads or answers was poor CoralRose Fullwood's murder. And they arrested someone recently for that. I never that day would come. I have to keep thinking that someone will crack. Or dna will show up. It has to.

That's a good point, SM... Granted, I think they kinda got lucky with Coralrose's killer... He was already in prison for burglary, and DNA evidence linked him to it TWO YEARS after it happened.

Anything can happen, though. I just hope this one doesn't last two years, otherwise they'd probably have to toss me in the looney bin. :crazy:

Cheers and happy Labor Day,
KP

YellowDog
09-01-2008, 02:16 PM
I still think if LE or the OSBI would release a little bit more information to the public, they might get some help in solving these murders.

SieSie
09-01-2008, 08:07 PM
nothing to add to thread just that count me among those waiting anxiously for this case to break. I have not forgotten these girls and have kept checking back often in hopes of **something**.. Hope this is it.
Me, too!

tulsa
09-04-2008, 04:21 AM
Three men who have come under suspicion in the fatal shootings near Weleetka testified Wednesday before a state grand jury.

Two other witnesses failed to appear. The grand jury’s judge ordered them arrested.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3292830/

Ruflossn
09-04-2008, 05:34 AM
Three men who have come under suspicion in the fatal shootings near Weleetka testified Wednesday before a state grand jury.

Two other witnesses failed to appear. The grand jury’s judge ordered them arrested.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3292830/

Please let this be the break in the case that everyone has been waiting for!!!

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 06:23 AM
Please let this be the break in the case that everyone has been waiting for!!!
I certainly hope so! :) Do we know if these "suspicious persons" were a result of the gun testing?

Claycat
09-04-2008, 08:19 AM
Tulsa, thank you for posting the article. We have all been hoping for some kind of news!

little726
09-04-2008, 08:33 AM
Tulsa, thank you for posting the article. We have all been hoping for some kind of news!

And also praying!

I recognize the Kelough name, but not the others. I wonder if we can find some photos of them?

tulsa
09-04-2008, 08:52 AM
And also praying!

I recognize the Kelough name, but not the others. I wonder if we can find some photos of them?

Pictures are here. Also watch the video. The guy's demeanor is interesting.

http://newsok.com/

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Pictures are here. Also watch the video. The guy's demeanor is interesting.

http://newsok.com/
Thank you tulsa!!

little726
09-04-2008, 09:46 AM
Yes, Tulsa, thank you!

Kelough sure does act strange. His eyes shift ALOT!!!

Boots-OK
09-04-2008, 10:33 AM
Hello, everyone...Well, at last some news in this case. Thanks to everyone for the links. I just heard headlines this morning at 7am. Channel 8 said all 3 were in custody.??

little726
09-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Hello, everyone...Well, at last some news in this case. Thanks to everyone for the links. I just heard headlines this morning at 7am. Channel 8 said all 3 were in custody.??

That sure is GREAT news, Boots. Thank you.

tulsa
09-04-2008, 10:45 AM
Hello, everyone...Well, at last some news in this case. Thanks to everyone for the links. I just heard headlines this morning at 7am. Channel 8 said all 3 were in custody.??

I haven't heard or read that. I suspect it is wrong. Only one is in custody, but it is for something unrelated. I'll keep the news on and my ears open. I hope they arrest those other two so they testify also.

Boots-OK
09-04-2008, 10:54 AM
I haven't heard or read that. I suspect it is wrong. Only one is in custody, but it is for something unrelated. I'll keep the news on and my ears open. I hope they arrest those other two so they testify also.

I know I heard in on Channel 8 at 7:00 but, it isn't even up on their website yet - From all other online news it does appear to be incorrect and that only one is in jail and warrants have been issued for the other 2.

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 10:57 AM
I really hope this develops into something. Our girls deserve justice.

Ruflossn
09-04-2008, 10:57 AM
I know I heard in on Channel 8 at 7:00 but, it isn't even up on their website yet - From all other online news it does appear to be incorrect and that only one is in jail and warrants have been issued for the other 2.


Hello All~
So glad that there has been some type of movement int his case. YEA!!!
I would like to know who the other 2 warrants are for. Is there any way to find out? I am at work but, will be checking in periodically.

Boots~
So glad to see you on here. I have missed you!

Flossie

Mysterylover
09-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Pictures are here. Also watch the video. The guy's demeanor is interesting.

http://newsok.com/

Interesting yes, squirrely yes!

ClayCat, look at the 3 pictures, any resemble your sketches?

Mysterylover
09-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Yes, Tulsa, thank you!

Kelough sure does act strange. His eyes shift ALOT!!!

IS his family member a X-LE officer?

gaia227
09-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Finally! Something! Does anyone know how these guys came onto the radar?

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Interesting yes, squirrelly yes!

ClayCat, look at the 3 pictures, any resemble your sketches?

Wow I am ao glad to see some movement in this case. If they have taken it to a State Grand Jury then the DA/LE must have at least some evidence pointing to these three guys.

Does any of the locals recognize the other two shown?

Kelough sure seems to shift his eyes a lot. Whether he did this or not he is going to deny, deny, deny it.

imoo

noZme
09-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Two other witnesses failed to appear. The grand jury’s judge ordered them arrested.

does anyone know who these characters are? what's the scuttlebutt on the local boards?

little726
09-04-2008, 11:30 AM
IS his family member a X-LE officer?

Yes, Letsthink, I believe he is related to Eldon K. I think one of the locals could tell us more about him.

Mysterylover
09-04-2008, 11:37 AM
Yes, Letsthink, I believe he is related to Eldon K. I think one of the locals could tell us more about him.....

This tells me, K. may have had access to a .40 cal glock Gun....Hmmmm!

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 11:49 AM
This tells me, K. may have had access to a .40 cal glock Gun....Hmmmm!

I would like to say something. First of all, this is an investigation, Grand Jury style. If they had any evidence, an arrest of these 3 would have already been made.
Pointing fingers before evidence is out is going to kill our chances of being able to take the trip down there, as they read these forums, and it's ugly to point without evidence.
I understand that Kelough has been questioned many times, and has VOLUNTEERED dna. He swears to his innocence, and the stains mentioned... I think that is just media trying to make a story look vicious. Those stains were checked out a long time ago, and if it was blood, Kelough would be in jail.
The Dailey guy was already in jail for burglary. Maybe he started talking and that is what lead to the investigation. If either of these 3 guys were who they believed did it, they wouldnt be free.
Now........ the ones who didnt show up for their testimonies, I think they would be more of the ones to be suspicious of. I wonder who they are.
Also........ the Gaddy guy...... if he WAS at walmart, there will be a video of his being there. They probably do already have that. And they say he has an alibi. We will just have to wait to see. But I am more concerned about the ones who DIDNT show. I do not believe that those who cooperate with the investigation are so suspicious.
Hopefully people will gather facts before pointing fingers.

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 11:54 AM
Just remember that these people were brought in for questioning so they could try to gather facts to make an arrest. It doesnt necessarily mean that THEY are the killers. If they cooperate, to me that says alot. Maybe the Grand Jury is narrowing down its suspects.... like when they asked that guns be brought in voluntarily... and the road blocks.... its all leading to something. We just need to pray that the right person will say the right thing that will lead investigators to a murderer. It doesnt mean that those they question are ALL suspects. Just trying to keep a perspective on things here. Thanks

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 12:08 PM
Ok.... I'm gonna be a motor mouth and add one more thing. I do not know these Keloughs, but I did used to know Toney Kelough SR. I do NOT believe they are killers, no way no how. they are tough ol country boys that dont back down from a fight.... but I dont remember Toney ever starting trouble. I do know that he is also the kind to help a neighbor in need. So try to see the human side to people. We are looking for a murderer... not someone who is more than willing to cooperate.

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Thanks so much frog :)

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Just remember that these people were brought in for questioning so they could try to gather facts to make an arrest. It doesn't necessarily mean that THEY are the killers. If they cooperate, to me that says alot. Maybe the Grand Jury is narrowing down its suspects.... like when they asked that guns be brought in voluntarily... and the road blocks.... its all leading to something. We just need to pray that the right person will say the right thing that will lead investigators to a murderer. It doesn't mean that those they question are ALL suspects. Just trying to keep a perspective on things here. Thanks

Hi Frog!

I do know in my state most AGs or DAs take their case to a Grand Jury for an indictment. If and when a true bill is handed down is when they indict the person or persons with the crime.

I don't know if these boys are innocent or guilty. I don't think anyone can really know. We do know that many past suspects were cooperative with LE trying to get the heat off of them. So I guess we will see. I have been on a Grand Jury and I really liked it for the entire jury panel gets to ask anything they want of the witnesses and the nice thing about it they request to see certain evidence they think is pertinent. A wide range of information is gathered in a GJ.

What will be interesting to me is if any of these three had access to a .40 Caliber Glock.

I have long thought this was done by young people. It seems according to one of their fathers that one is mentally challenged. I do have to admit that made me think that the other two may have coaxed him into stealing his daddy's guns for them to use but we will see how this turns out.

At least the case is not idle as a lot of us had thought.

imoo

Mysterylover
09-04-2008, 12:16 PM
FrogjustFrog,

What does a abuser, child molester or MURDERER supposed to act like or look like???

If I remember correctly, Scott Peterson was a great friend and neighbor, well dressed, educated business man, even giving a dinner party after Lacy went missing.....Hmmm!...convicted of murdering his wife and child.

YellowDog
09-04-2008, 12:17 PM
At last some activity. Things should start to get pretty interesting now.

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 12:24 PM
The reason I am leaning this way, is that I know that many locals are reading this....and alot have quit posting cuz so many fingers have been pointed, and many innocent people have been hurt. I am not trying to take up for, or blame anyone. All I am saying is that we need to be reasonable and not point fingers without facts.

little726
09-04-2008, 12:26 PM
David Gaddy, Mike Gaddy's father, has a PO against John Elbert Wilson. This guy pointed a gun at Mike Gaddy, on June 26, 2008.

Just a side note: he has green eyes.

little726
09-04-2008, 12:28 PM
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2317501&db=Oklahoma

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 12:28 PM
David Gaddy, Mike Gaddy's father, has a PO against John Elbert Wilson. This guy pointed a gun at Mike Gaddy, on June 26, 2008.

Just a side note: he has green eyes.

May I ask where you got this information? Interesting. I have green eyes too. What does that have to do with it?

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 12:36 PM
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2317501&db=Oklahoma

I dont see Mike Gaddy's name on there... and it is filed in Oklahoma County. Where do you see that the father filed to protect the son? I'm just not seeing this and wouldnt that have to be filed in Okmulgee County where the Gaddy's live? Or Okfuskee County? And who is this Wilson person. I dont think this is the right Gaddys. If I am wrong, help me here

Mysterylover
09-04-2008, 12:37 PM
Hi Frog!

I do know in my state most AGs or DAs take their case to a Grand Jury for an indictment. If and when a true bill is handed down is when they indict the person or persons with the crime.

I don't know if these boys are innocent or guilty. I don't think anyone can really know.

We do know that many past suspects were cooperative with LE trying to get the heat off of them.

So I guess we will see.
I have been on a Grand Jury and I really liked it for the entire jury panel gets to ask anything they want of the witnesses and the nice thing about it they request to see certain evidence they think is pertinent. A wide range of information is gathered in a GJ.

What will be interesting to me is if any of these three had access to a .40 Caliber Glock.

I have long thought this was done by young people. It seems according to one of their fathers that one is mentally challenged.

I do have to admit that made me think that the other two may have coaxed him into stealing his daddy's guns for them to use but we will see how this turns out.

At least the case is not idle as a lot of us had thought.

imoo......

oceanblueeyes...Good Points!

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 12:49 PM
Two other witnesses failed to appear. The grand jury’s judge ordered them arrested.

does anyone know who these characters are? what's the scuttlebutt on the local boards?

I am very interested in finding out who these 2 are. Surely once they are arrested we will find out. I hope we learn this information today. My heart is pounding. I pray they are finally on to something concrete.

little726
09-04-2008, 12:59 PM
May I ask where you got this information? Interesting. I have green eyes too. What does that have to do with it?

It was in the court records, Frog. John E. Wilson is 62 yrs. old. It does say he has green eyes, but he is a WHITE man and to old to be the POI.

I was just making a silly comment about his eyes :silenced:.

Jeez, Frog, don't get upset with me. I'm only trying to help!

Ruflossn
09-04-2008, 01:03 PM
I am very interested in finding out who these 2 are. Surely once they are arrested we will find out. I hope we learn this information today. My heart is pounding. I pray they are finally on to something concrete.


Is there any way to find out when an arrest warrant was issued about someone? Or does LE try and keep that under the wraps so that those who they are trying to apprehend will not know the plans and possibly be caught unawares?

Is there anyway that the public can access that info.

Claycat
09-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Frog, I have to agree with what you are saying. I'm more interested in the 2 that are missing than the 3 they talked to! Even though I know the Keloughs have records, I don't know that this Kelough had anything to do with it. I'm just in a wait and see mode. Like the rest of you, I am glad something is finally happening! I hope they get to the bottom of it really soon.

little726
09-04-2008, 01:08 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080904_298_OKLA803771.

Read the part where it says...."They were chasing him with a gun."

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 01:12 PM
It was in the court records, Frog. John E. Wilson is 62 yrs. old. It does say he has green eyes, but he is a WHITE man and to old to be the POI.

I was just making a silly comment about his eyes :silenced:.

Jeez, Frog, don't get upset with me. I'm only trying to help!

I'm not upset with anyone. But I will tell you all, that I have been asked to be spokesperson, by several locals who refuse to post. These locals are NOT suspects, but they are living with the reprocussions of all the talk about people on here, who have been drug though the mud. There have been innocents who have been deeply hurt by some of the accusations. All I am saying is that through our sleuthing, lets try to show a little dignity and not say things that hurt the innocent. So who are the innocent and who are the guilty? We dont know...and that is what makes this all so difficult. I understand that sleuthing means speculation. Sigh, I am not sure how to put all this into words, other than to say, lets not jump to conclusions and say the wrong thing. Does that make sense? Maybe it would be kinder to say, "what if" instead of appearing to point fingers and make people look so bad.
Remember, I say this as someone who is near to the people who are in the community.
I know everyone has an opinion..... lets just be careful. ok?
(I say this with a soft voice and hope people can understand what I am trying to say)

little726
09-04-2008, 01:21 PM
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=12654654

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 01:28 PM
Is there any way to find out when an arrest warrant was issued about someone? Or does LE try and keep that under the wraps so that those who they are trying to apprehend will not know the plans and possibly be caught unawares?

Is there anyway that the public can access that info.
I dont think it will be long before we know the answer to this. The media already was able to tell us there WILL be arrests. They will jump on releasing this info just as fast as they are allowed to.

As far as the Keloughs.... like I said, I dont really know them, but it is my understanding that Toney jr has been very cooperative. And the news that they released about stains on his clothes.... I think that was the media trying to make things look big! They had to have checked those clothes as soon as they knew there was stains... so I think this is just hype for a story.
Now the other Kelough boy.... that was seen on a 4 wheeler in the area a day or so before the crime.... I'm not sure but it wouldnt surprise me if he could be one of the 2 left to question, but then again, this is only speculation and I am even now uneasy saying so. I just dont like to point fingers. But I am CURIOUS to know why his name keeps coming up and two names came up earlier... Claycat, you know who. And there are 2 who didnt appear for questioning. Just wondering if it could be them is all. I just think it is important to be careful how we say things. this is hard for me to explain. Sry I didnt mean to sound harsh.

Ruflossn
09-04-2008, 01:30 PM
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=12654654

Who is John Ebert? Sorry if I am not grasping everything. I am at work / lunch hour and trying to read all the info. What was the link?

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 01:31 PM
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=12654654

Again, this is filed in Oklahoma County. Gaddy lives in Okmulgee County. I personally dont think this has anything to do with the people who are being questioned. JMO

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 01:37 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080904_298_OKLA803771.

Read the part where it says...."They were chasing him with a gun."

~snipped from the above article:
The Gaddys said their son heard the fatal gunshots but did not witness the shooting, the newspaper reported.

The couple also said they fear that vigilantes might hurt him.

“They’ve already chased him with guns,” David Gaddy told the paper. “Until they catch who really did this, Mike is in danger.”

David Gaddy said his son is mentally retarded and no longer associates with Dailey.


But it doesnt say WHO was chasing him with guns. Vigilantes... that means that ANYONE could be accusing this guy and threatening to punish him. That is supposed to be left for the law to take care of. Vigilantes scare me to death! Another reason to be careful! There are IDIOTS in the world! yikes! I dont see anything in the PO that mentions Mike Gaddy's name, and it is filed in the wrong county.... unless they were in Oklahoma County and someone threatened him there.

tulsa
09-04-2008, 01:43 PM
2 more witnesses appear before grand jury in Weleetka shootings

http://newsok.com/article/keyword/3292925/

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 01:49 PM
Who is John Ebert? Sorry if I am not grasping everything. I am at work / lunch hour and trying to read all the info. What was the link?

Personally, I dont think he is anyone who has anything to do with any of this. Apparently the name Gaddy was run on court records, and there was a filing by a Gaddy in Oklahoma County against this man. Oklahoma County is about an hour drive west of the Weleetka area. So unless anyone can for sure make a connection, I think it was just another name brought in from sleuthing, but I dont believe it is connected. I would be glad to admit I am wrong if anyone has any concrete reason to believe this Gaddy is the same Gaddy. THEY live in Okmulgee County... in the Bryant area.

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 01:52 PM
2 more witnesses appear before grand jury in Weleetka shootings

http://newsok.com/article/keyword/3292925/

Thank the Lord they have them in custody! Hopefully they will have information. I wonder why they wouldnt appear and had to be arrested? We will all be on pins and needles waiting for the release of these names!

Thanks for that information, Tulsa!

Ruflossn
09-04-2008, 01:58 PM
2 more witnesses appear before grand jury in Weleetka shootings

http://newsok.com/article/keyword/3292925/


Tulsa~
Thank-you for the information.
You are awesome for keeping this info. up to date.

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 02:13 PM
Tulsa~
Thank-you for the information.
You are awesome for keeping this info. up to date.
The article does say that they cant confirm this is the same two that failed to come in for questioning. So I wonder if those 2 are still out there and this is another 2? I bet it is the same 2. Seems like alot of people may have knew more than we thought, maybe?

I hope things are gonna open up and that this makes a true case against a real killer(s)!

PS. sry again for sounding tough... please dont be afraid to post. I just wanted to be careful HOW we say things. Like I said, I was asked to say this, by some concerned locals.

Tom'sGirl
09-04-2008, 02:16 PM
Thank the Lord they have them in custody! Hopefully they will have information. I wonder why they wouldnt appear and had to be arrested? We will all be on pins and needles waiting for the release of these names!

Thanks for that information, Tulsa!
Read again.........



Three men who have come under suspicion in the fatal shootings near Weleetka testified Wednesday before a state grand jury.
Two other witnesses failed to appear. The grand jury’s judge ordered them arrested.

Claycat
09-04-2008, 02:28 PM
"A man and woman believed to be witnesses in the fatal shootings of two Weleetka girls arrived at the Oklahoma County (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+County&CATEGORY=COUNTY) Courthouse at 11:30 a.m. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N3535.newsok/B2789221;sz=1x1;ord=%5Btimestamp%5D? (http://ad.doubleclick.net/click%3Bh=v8/3731/3/0/%2a/w%3B205309219%3B0-0%3B0%3B26428022%3B4307-300/250%3B27800814/27818693/1%3B%3B%7Esscs%3D%3fhttp://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;195713823;25577914;s?http://www.riverwind.com)

Wearing shackles, the pair was escorted under guard to the second day of multicounty grand jury proceedings on the case."

Tom'sGirl
09-04-2008, 02:31 PM
I'm not upset with anyone. But I will tell you all, that I have been asked to be spokesperson, by several locals who refuse to post. These locals are NOT suspects, but they are living with the reprocussions of all the talk about people on here, who have been drug though the mud. There have been innocents who have been deeply hurt by some of the accusations. All I am saying is that through our sleuthing, lets try to show a little dignity and not say things that hurt the innocent. So who are the innocent and who are the guilty? We dont know...and that is what makes this all so difficult. I understand that sleuthing means speculation. Sigh, I am not sure how to put all this into words, other than to say, lets not jump to conclusions and say the wrong thing. Does that make sense? Maybe it would be kinder to say, "what if" instead of appearing to point fingers and make people look so bad.
Remember, I say this as someone who is near to the people who are in the community.
I know everyone has an opinion..... lets just be careful. ok?
(I say this with a soft voice and hope people can understand what I am trying to say)
Frog, I say this with all due respect.

Because you have chosen to speak for some you've spoken to speak for has no bearing on what posters who are members here post.

When something comes out in the Media regarding this case, we, the Members here at WS are going to discuss it, dissect it, and give our opinions.

Continue posting you and your friends opinions, all thoughts on this case are welcome, but please, if you will, don't chastise posters personally for posting their information.

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 02:37 PM
2 more witnesses appear before grand jury in Weleetka shootings

http://newsok.com/article/keyword/3292925/
Thanks so much Tulsa!

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 02:37 PM
Frog, I say this with all due respect.

Because you have chosen to speak for some you've spoken to speak for has no bearing on what posters who are members here post.

When something comes out in the Media regarding this case, we, the Members here at WS are going to discuss it, dissect it, and give our opinions.

Continue posting you and your friends opinions, all thoughts on this case are welcome, but please, if you will, don't chastise posters personally for posting their information.


I think I already gave my apologies(more than once) if I sounded gruff.

frogjustfrog
09-04-2008, 02:41 PM
and again.... sry... didnt mean to sound gruff just then. I stated then and am now, I speak with a soft voice.

snipped from above article and boldedby me

Two other witnesses, whose names were not available, were ordered to appear before the grand jury Wednesday but failed to do so. The judge overseeing the proceeding ordered their arrests, but it is unclear if the two suspected witnesses Thursday were the same witnesses.

Wondering how many witnesses there could be! Wowwy!

Tom'sGirl
09-04-2008, 02:41 PM
2 more witnesses appear before grand jury in Weleetka shootings

http://newsok.com/article/keyword/3292925/
This will be interesting to learn of their names, and if we've ever discussed them here. Hopefully, that info. will be released soon.

SeriouslySearching
09-04-2008, 02:44 PM
The Oklahoman reports three men who have come under suspicion for the murders went before the grand jury in Okfuskee County this week. Eighteen-year old Dustyn Dailey spent two hours answering questions. Daily is currently in the Okmulgee County jail on second degree burglary charges.

Also testifying were 19-year old Mike Gaddy and 30-year old Tony Kelough.

Gaddy's parents told the newspaper, their son was at a friend's house and heard the shootings, but did not witness it. They also say their son is mentally challenged.

Kelough told the newspaper he had nothing to do with the shootings.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8950244

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 02:45 PM
I'm not upset with anyone. But I will tell you all, that I have been asked to be spokesperson, by several locals who refuse to post. These locals are NOT suspects, but they are living with the repercussions of all the talk about people on here, who have been drug though the mud. There have been innocents who have been deeply hurt by some of the accusations. All I am saying is that through our sleuthing, lets try to show a little dignity and not say things that hurt the innocent. So who are the innocent and who are the guilty? We don't know...and that is what makes this all so difficult. I understand that sleuthing means speculation. Sigh, I am not sure how to put all this into words, other than to say, lets not jump to conclusions and say the wrong thing. Does that make sense? Maybe it would be kinder to say, "what if" instead of appearing to point fingers and make people look so bad.
Remember, I say this as someone who is near to the people who are in the community.
I know everyone has an opinion..... lets just be careful. ok?
(I say this with a soft voice and hope people can understand what I am trying to say)

I honestly don't understand what you mean, Frog. We did not create the media news which lists these three guys. I haven't seen anyone say a specific person or persons are guilty of this crime, proof positive, since learning this news but only that we hope the GJ investigation being held now will ascertain facts that may move this case along to a justifiable conclusion.

And how do we know who the innocent ones are in this case? I sure have no knowledge one way or the other.

I don't post on Topix but I do read often and it seems according to them..that many of the locals are also saying many unkind and scurrilous things about other people in their community. So imo, it isn't just "here." That is why I dont post there because of the continous mud throwing.

I don't mean to be arbitrary but I just don't understand your stance on this when it is breaking news of sorts. You are right we speculate because no one knows at this time who the killer(s) are but when the media says three guys are under suspicion in the Weleetka slayings I don't think we can just dismiss that and not debate those possibilities. JMO tho.

How many times have we read that someone believes PP is guilty of doing this? Too many to count but even though I don't agree with that, I do know that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and speculation is what we do until we are convinced who the real killer or killers are.:confused:

JMO tho.

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 02:51 PM
This will be interesting to learn of their names, and if we've ever discussed them here. Hopefully, that info. will be released soon.

It is sure odd that they would risk arrest by not appearing under subpoena to a GJ.

imoo

Tom'sGirl
09-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Hmmm...did you guys already know about these three? I thought the name Kelough was quite interesting.
Yep, we knew :). I posted in the Links thread that bit, and then todays update about them bringing in a guy and a gal.

SeriouslySearching
09-04-2008, 03:03 PM
Hmmmm...not finding anything on them. Glad they have this handed over the GJ tho. Gives me a glimmer of hope.

poco
09-04-2008, 03:05 PM
Bracelet and thank you note from Graham School Cheerleaders....

Bracelet says: In Memory of Taylor and Skyla BFF


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pocogeejo/taylorbracelet.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pocogeejo/taylorltr.jpg

SailorMoon
09-04-2008, 03:12 PM
GEEZE....when did all this come up??? I'll admit I got sucked into listening to the unbelievable comments from Cindy Anthony in that tragedy and have been glued to that like a trainwreck.

Where did these 3 come from?? I'll go back and read but dang.....this is a shock to come here and find this out!! But hopefully justice is getting close.

tulsa
09-04-2008, 03:24 PM
Hi Sailor Moon,I'm unaware of any info leading up to this. It came as a surprise to me when I heard it on the radio in the wee hours this morning, then went looking for the story in print. I'm so glad that LE has been busy and has not been coming up empty as we had feared. I hope this leads to a correct resolution soon.

SailorMoon
09-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Ditto that Tulsa.

My apologies to LE. I'm just impatient.

tulsa
09-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Tulsa~
Thank-you for the information.
You are awesome for keeping this info. up to date.

Everyone, you are very welcome for the links. Honestly, I couldn't wait to post 'em.

Claycat
09-04-2008, 03:31 PM
That's great, Poco!

Tom'sGirl
09-04-2008, 04:05 PM
UPDATE: More testimony before grand jury investigating girls' killings
Posted: Sep 4, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
Oklahoma City_Two more people have testified before a grand jury that's investigating the shooting deaths of two young girls near Weleetka.

The Oklahoma reported in today's edition that Toney Kelough, Dustyn Dailey and Mike Gaddy were questioned yesterday about the June 8th deaths of 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker.

Today a man and a woman arrived at the courthouse in shackles and under guard to testify. The judge overseeing the secret proceeding had ordered the arrests of two witnesses who failed to appear yesterday. It wasn't clear if the two people brought to court today are those two people.
http://www.kswo.com/global/story.asp?s=8953047 (http://www.kswo.com/global/story.asp?s=8953047)

little726
09-04-2008, 06:19 PM
http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings

Not sure if this has been posted. It came from Topix.

little726
09-04-2008, 06:23 PM
Well, TG, you beat me by posting the above photo....lol.

Invisible
09-04-2008, 06:32 PM
http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings

Not sure if this has been posted. It came from Topix.

lol, he looks like a fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizen.

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 07:16 PM
lol, he looks like a fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizen.

lol. true. I wonder why they didn't show the woman?

Does any of the locals here recognize this man as someone they know?

imoo

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 07:18 PM
lol. true. I wonder why they didn't show the woman?

Does any of the locals here recognize this man as someone they know?

imoo
That's not the woman behind the sheriff? I thought it was for some reason...

Morag
09-04-2008, 07:23 PM
Larry Smith, 34, and Windy Espinosa, 33, believed to be witnesses...

These are the other two.

Lauren - CA
09-04-2008, 07:43 PM
http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1774291154

Do you hear laughing in the video?? Sounds like a female.

Lauren - CA
09-04-2008, 07:45 PM
They are believed to be witnesses in the fatal shootings.........Does this mean they actually witnessed the murders or just that they are witnesses?

little726
09-04-2008, 07:45 PM
This is the video. Hope it hasn't been posted yet, again.

http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1774291154

little726
09-04-2008, 07:46 PM
Geez....I guess I'm just too slow tonight.

little726
09-04-2008, 07:48 PM
They are believed to be witnesses in the fatal shootings.........Does this mean they actually witnessed the murders or just that they are witnesses?

I was also wondering that, Lauren. I never seen a witness with handcuffs and shakles. I kind of figure they were there when it happened.

Lauren - CA
09-04-2008, 07:55 PM
Oh good, I'm not the only one that thought that too. You'd think they wouldn't be in shackles of they had been the POI witnesses, know what I mean?

Lauren - CA
09-04-2008, 07:58 PM
The article says they are the 5th and 6th to testify. Did I miss someone???

Lauren - CA
09-04-2008, 07:59 PM
Oops, Ben Rosser of the OSBI was also a witness. Guess I got ahead of myself.

little726
09-04-2008, 08:01 PM
Lauren, it all started back on pg.7 post 158.

little726
09-04-2008, 08:03 PM
Here Lauren

http://www.newsok.com/article/3292830/

Lauren - CA
09-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Yes, in my rush to catch up, I must be repeating so I will stop now.

bluestarzz
09-04-2008, 08:33 PM
well, they could already be in shackles because they were visiting from jail. in jail over some over infraction since the murders of the angels.....
this development is very interesting.......yes.....i have been lurking on this
case since day one.
bluestarzz

Boots-OK
09-04-2008, 08:57 PM
well, they could already be in shackles because they were visiting from jail. in jail over some over infraction since the murders of the angels.....
this development is very interesting.......yes.....i have been lurking on this
case since day one.
bluestarzz

I just assumed they were in shackles because they didn't show up for the GJ and a warrant was issued for their arrests, right?

CMorrison64
09-04-2008, 09:01 PM
WOW came to catch up ... been busy listening / reading about Caylee, etc. and was shocked to see this. I hope this is what we've been waiting for and justice is on it's way to being served.

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 09:10 PM
That's not the woman behind the sheriff? I thought it was for some reason...

You are right Keyboard. I went back and looked closer and I suppose she is the other witnesses. At first I just thought it was a lady walking behind the male witness and officer and wasn't sure if she was in custody.

imoo

little726
09-04-2008, 09:11 PM
I just assumed they were in shackles because they didn't show up for the GJ and a warrant was issued for their arrests, right?

Yes, they were both wearing shackles and were under police guard.

KeyboardPlayer
09-04-2008, 09:15 PM
In all fairness to you, ocean, she doesn't really look like she's in custody at all (can't see the shackles from that angle). Initially I thought she was just a bystander as well. :)

oceanblueeyes
09-04-2008, 09:16 PM
...

These are the other two.

My goodness this man looks so much older than 34. She looks 10 years younger than he does.

imoo