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laini
01-30-2007, 03:38 PM
I thought this was interesting:

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=68330

Found in June (?2006)
Believed to be 33-46 years old. Had used false name previously when arrested. Found deceased in tent with Bibles, Busy Women's Journal, and Harry Potter book. On tent was "No go, no eat, no drink, murder" written in tape.

annemc2
01-30-2007, 08:34 PM
That is interesting. My first impression is that she might have suffered from a serious mental illness. Was the cause of death listed, or did I miss it?

reb
01-30-2007, 09:07 PM
i was wondering that too.. why it didn't say a cause of death. has she already been checked against children missing from the 1970's, or teenagers missing from the 80's, and 20-somethings missing from the 90's?
also why was she arrested before-- for vagrancy, prostitution, drugs, or something else? she does appear to have that shell-shocked look that often comes with mental illess, and the weird words spelled out in tape supports that possibility. did an autopsy show any signs or traces of antipsychotic meds... or was she checked against any psych hospital records? do they even bother to do autopsies on unID'd homeless people?

LisainWV
01-30-2007, 11:58 PM
Her eyebrows look perfectly plucked in that picture. What homeless, crazy person plucks their eyebrows regularly?

azure
01-31-2007, 12:12 AM
OK- a few things I found in a Louisville Courier-Journal article:
1. The woman was arrested for walking along the expressway "acting erratically". When booked, she said she came from Louisville, KY.

2. Her body was badly decomposed, and they couldn't determine a cause of death. However, they don't see any signs of trauma and some of the woman's writings indicate that she intended to starve herself to death.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061220/NEWS01/61220054

Very confusing case!

Kelly

Bluecat
01-31-2007, 09:11 PM
If she was schizophrenic, she could have been compulsive about some things, like keeping up her eyebrows. I did a clinical practicum with chronic schizophrenics while in college, and you just never knew. In the mental health center, of course they would not have had access to something potentially dangerous like tweezers, but obviously living on the street she was unchecked if indeed she had something like schizophrenia. She'd be the right age for schizophrenia...it often appears in the mid-20s or so.

I'm guessing that the photo was her booking picture from before, since they are assuming that the fingerprints were hers.

rayray
02-01-2007, 02:31 PM
What a sad, sad case. I know there are MANY people with mental disorders that are alone on the streets and homeless. I hope her identity is found, and if she has family, they can have closure.

Sable
03-24-2007, 03:56 AM
http://www.nampn.org/cases/glynnell_melody.html

Missing Since: May 6, 2006 from San Pablo, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: September 28, 1960
Age: 45
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 110 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Clothing: T-shirt, jeans, black shoes, black coat
with red lining.
Case Number: 06-12822

lymom3
03-24-2007, 01:37 PM
Wow..that sure looks good to me.

Sable
03-24-2007, 02:04 PM
:waitasec: I wonder why they haven't listed the clothes Jane Doe was found wearing.

Bluecat
03-27-2007, 11:34 AM
The only problem with Melody Glynnell matching is that she was last seen in 2006, and this body is from 2005. Sorry!

crash676
03-27-2007, 03:21 PM
Not sure I read the article right but wasn't her body found in June 2006? This would match the previous description above...

LisainWV
03-27-2007, 07:47 PM
http://www.nampn.org/cases/glynnell_melody.html

Missing Since: May 6, 2006 from San Pablo, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: September 28, 1960
Age: 45
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 110 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Clothing: T-shirt, jeans, black shoes, black coat
with red lining.
Case Number: 06-12822



I was thinking Jane Doe was found June 06 as well. However, the link to the second article above somewhere (now archived, buy only) mentioned that she was picked up in January 06 for jaywalking or something and acting strange. I'm pretty sure it was Jan. This woman didn't go missing until may 06.

I could have my info wrong.

Wonder why this doe is not listed on the Doenetwork? Or is she?

Emmie
03-27-2007, 08:57 PM
she is...and it says 2006 too http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase496.html

LisainWV
03-27-2007, 10:33 PM
Thanks Emmie, I missed her!!

Mischa
03-28-2007, 02:08 AM
Well, I've done a little google research.

Only one article states, that she was arrest on Jan, 20 2006.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20061230/ai_n17088932

The others say she gave her birthdate as Jan, 20 1960.

Although this is the first date to think of, if you have to provide a false birthdate on Jan, 20 (She also said her familyname was Smith), couldn't it be that the journalists just mixed up two things when they wrote she was arrested on Jan, 20?

And who says that she didn't return to her normal life for some months after being arrested? And then vanished to die in May 2006?

LisainWV
03-30-2007, 11:19 PM
Well, I've done a little google research.

Only one article states, that she was arrest on Jan, 20 2006.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20061230/ai_n17088932

The others say she gave her birthdate as Jan, 20 1960.

Although this is the first date to think of, if you have to provide a false birthdate on Jan, 20 (She also said her familyname was Smith), couldn't it be that the journalists just mixed up two things when they wrote she was arrested on Jan, 20?

And who says that she didn't return to her normal life for some months after being arrested? And then vanished to die in May 2006?

anything is possible, but the Jane Doe body was suspected of being there, deceased, for about three months (from the article in your link) which puts her death march/april - before Melody went missing. I just don't think the timeline is there for it to be Melody.

Babyslims
04-18-2007, 07:53 PM
was just checking to see if anyone had any new information?? to see if the 2 ladies was a match??? I think they look so much alike but still unsure


But while thumbing for something else I found a missing lady from the 80's so was wondering what others thoughts were on it...

Erica Jayne Franolich
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503118S


(sorry new to the board (been lurking for awhile)so hope i'm doing this right)

KarlK
04-18-2007, 10:26 PM
But while thumbing for something else I found a missing lady from the 80's so was wondering what others thoughts were on it...

Erica Jayne Franolich
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503118S


(sorry new to the board (been lurking for awhile)so hope i'm doing this right)

Age and height do match but it seems to me that facial features are too different to belong to the same person, even when taking aging into account. Jane Doe has a square jaw while Erica's face is more triangular, with high cheekbones. Erica's eyes appear to be more widely set as well. I could be wrong though.

OneLostGrl
04-19-2007, 01:03 AM
Huh... this is an interesting one, for sure!

I can't decide if her eyes look really high or deranged. Perhaps even both?!

Babyslims
04-19-2007, 08:43 AM
Age and height do match but it seems to me that facial features are too different to belong to the same person, even when taking aging into account. Jane Doe has a square jaw while Erica's face is more triangular, with high cheekbones. Erica's eyes appear to be more widely set as well. I could be wrong though.

Thanks for your input on it!! I look at so many pictures sometimes its hard to tell lol.......

This is one of those cases though that is kinda, not sure the word for it.. but kinda like a puzzle ya gotta solve i guess.. makes it a little interesting... Thanks again.

laini
04-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Tracy Melton?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2274dfca.html

Dr. Doogie
04-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Tracy Melton?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2274dfca.html

Based on the limited information of only one picture of each woman, it appears that the JD has a much broader nose (compare the width between the nostrils of the two) and a pointier chin (this may be just the angle of the head in the pics though). It is too bad that no height is listed for Tracy. The distance between Stockton and Pacifica is certainly reasonable for her to have travelled, and the fact that Tracy had a history of drug abuse fits with the "wild-eyed" look of the JD.

laini
04-20-2007, 01:35 PM
I had thought the difference in the chins was just the different angle of the photos.

But I think you are right after looking again. Unless Jane Doe was flaring her nostrils, the noses ARE different.

thx for responding :)

ihadcabinfever
05-17-2007, 11:16 PM
The message left in tape sounds like someone that spoke Spanish left it.

itsreenw
05-19-2007, 03:54 PM
I was thinking Jane Doe was found June 06 as well. However, the link to the second article above somewhere (now archived, buy only) mentioned that she was picked up in January 06 for jaywalking or something and acting strange. I'm pretty sure it was Jan. This woman didn't go missing until may 06.

I could have my info wrong.

Wonder why this doe is not listed on the Doenetwork? Or is she?Did the other article show the same reconstruct pic? Picked up for jaywalking where. KY or CA?

websurfer
05-19-2007, 06:39 PM
I have noticed sometimes on reports or news items the eyes are reported wrong or the height of people but usually it is obvious it is an error...

teonspaleprincess
05-21-2007, 08:44 PM
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401447S

InterestedNHelping
05-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Hi all, let me throw something in here if I may...I have been looking for a schizophrenic (birth family member) that has been on the streets or somewhere, since 1986. SHe came from the bay area, and she has never been reported missing because of all the trauma that her family endured through her. Because I do not want to bring them more devastation I cannot file a missing persons on her, so I am trying to find her without it being public, for the family's sake. I have been following this woman's case very closely, because this could be the one, but the age is way off. However, with the person I am looking for, here is where it gets interesting...She looked way way younger than she actually was, she was well read, well educated, intelligent, and extremely schizophrenic and bipolar. She was know to be a very beautiful woman...bad mix with schizophrenia and promiscuity. I do not have a picture of her, except when she was 17, and it is a very poor photo. If anyone finds any more about this Jane Doe, please let me know, it is possible (though age is a factor) that she could be my missing person. If it ever turns out that she is, I will post the person I was looking for, but at this time, I want her family not to be contacted, as their lives were a living hell, when they had my missing person in them. With schizophrenia, anything is possible. The above link doesn't work for me, and I would love to read the updated description, if anyone has a link....thanks

InterestedNHelping
05-24-2007, 12:41 PM
I have spoken with someone involved in this case, and they are running some checks to see if my Jane Doe matches theirs. Will keep you posted if I find anything.

raindrops300
05-24-2007, 12:46 PM
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401447S


teonpaleprincess - did you submit this one? I agree with you that it could possibly be her.

rayray
05-24-2007, 01:18 PM
Some links re: Monica Appleton
http://www.findmonicaappleton.com/home/
http://www.findmonica.org/

rayray
05-24-2007, 01:21 PM
she sounded almost schizophrenic the last time she was seen:
from findmonicaappleton.com
At the time she was last seen, by our mother, she appeared to be scared about something but would not go with our mother. She told our mother to get out of the area. Monica kept looking over her shoulder. Our mother asked her what was wrong and Monica would not say at the time. Monica told our mother that she would tell her later, she never did.

reb
05-25-2007, 08:41 PM
i have a question, regarding the original newspaper article. how did they get the photo of the woman, if they found her dead? did they find a photo of her with her belongings, in the tent?

InterestedNHelping
05-25-2007, 10:19 PM
Her pic was from an arrest the year prior, it was matched from a fingerprint, and came up with the prior arrest.

timetravel
05-27-2007, 06:07 AM
it certainly looks promising - any one contacting someone about Monica Appleton?

Bluecat
05-29-2007, 01:15 PM
It sounds from the little news coverage that Monica quite possibly did have someone to fear, and that her problems were with drugs and prostitution and not schizophrenia. It certainly sounds like Monica fell afoul of someone in that scene (she could have owed her pimp or her dealer, or just witnessed something she shouldn't have). It does not seem likely that she would have had the resources to travel out of state. Just my two cents.

raine1212
05-30-2007, 01:36 PM
Hi, I have been lurking for a long time and I am very new at this. Still in the learning stages. So please forgive me for the mistakes I am making, but I found this this on the charley project. I know this is probably way off. But I want to learn how I can help bring home missing loved ones. Any info on how I can learn to help is appreciated. Thanks
Laura Ann Breding

http://www.charleyproject.org/images/b/breding_laura.jpg



Above: Breding, circa 1996 http://www.charleyproject.org/banners/bar.jpg Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: December 1996 from Jacksonville, Florida



Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: January 29, 1958
Age: 38 years old
Height and Weight: 5'7, 155 - 175 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Blonde hair, blue eyes.
Medical Conditions: Breding has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and may also have schizophrenia.

http://www.charleyproject.org/banners/bar.jpg



Details of Disappearance

Breding left her brother's home in Limestone County, Alabama in December 1996. In Mobile, Alabama, she boarded a bus bound for Jacksonville, Florida. Her family has not heard from her since. Breding had contact with police in Jacksonville in May 2001, but her whereabouts after that remain unknown. Her case remains unsolved. Alabama authorities are investigating

InterestedNHelping
06-22-2007, 09:43 PM
BUMP diddy bump bump bump....This woman needs a name! Help me find out who she really is...any help is appreciated!

laini
06-22-2007, 10:54 PM
Hi, I have been lurking for a long time and I am very new at this. Still in the learning stages. So please forgive me for the mistakes I am making, but I found this this on the charley project. I know this is probably way off. But I want to learn how I can help bring home missing loved ones. Any info on how I can learn to help is appreciated. Thanks

Laura Ann Breding


Breding left her brother's home in Limestone County, Alabama in December 1996. In Mobile, Alabama, she boarded a bus bound for Jacksonville, Florida. Her family has not heard from her since. Breding had contact with police in Jacksonville in May 2001, but her whereabouts after that remain unknown. Her case remains unsolved. Alabama authorities are investigating


Hi raine1212. She looks like a possibility especially with the wide eyed look and history of schizophrenia. I don't think it is her ,though, because her face looks more round. I could be wrong, though. Keep looking!


I just looked again at all six missing women that have been listed here that we have come up with as possible matches. I don't think any of them are her, though they look a lot like her! Just differences in nose, chin, face shape, etc... Back to the drawing board.

Babyslims
10-23-2007, 12:57 AM
Jeanne Sanchez Harms .. found this lady while browsing. Reminded me of jane doe. She probably did die b4 she was reported missing but just incase she was left for dead and somehow a miracle happened I thought i'd throw her up just in case :angel:


http://www.findjeanine.com/jeanine/photopage.html#other

diamondgirl
10-23-2007, 11:47 AM
She looks like she is bipolar in a manic phase. She could definetly have psychosis with that. Look at those eyes. I also thought I read that she appeared to be starving herself. Manic people have to be practically forced to eat. I don't know how this helps, but I guess if we are using a mental illness when we are searching we should look for Bipolar disorder too.

teonspaleprincess
10-24-2007, 09:56 AM
teonpaleprincess - did you submit this one? I agree with you that it could possibly be her.

I don't believe that I did, but if no one else has, I can.

Sable
04-04-2008, 03:01 PM
http://www.nampn.org/cases/glynnell_melody.html

Missing Since: May 6, 2006 from San Pablo, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: September 28, 1960
Age: 45
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 110 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Clothing: T-shirt, jeans, black shoes, black coat
with red lining.
Case Number: 06-12822

Melody isn't this Jane Doe. According to the CharleyProject website:

http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved.html

Melody Ann Glynnell
Glynnell, 45, disappeared from San Pablo, California on May 6, 2006. In February 2008, her skull was found on a hill near a homeless camp in El Sobrante, California. No other bones were located and there were no indications of trauma to the skull. Glynnell's death is under investigation and foul play is suspected.

Julessleuther
08-22-2008, 03:20 PM
Someone suggested(Shadow Angel) I start a thread for this Jane Doe. This should be so solveable!! (I did a search, as I thought we already had a thread, but could not find it. I apologize if this is a duplicate)


http://doenetwork.org/cases/593ufca.html

Julessleuther
08-22-2008, 03:41 PM
Height is alittle off, but they both have big brown eyes, and this one is from Kentucky.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1666dfky.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1666dfky.html)

shadowangel
08-22-2008, 08:50 PM
(julessleuther---hope you don't mind me expanding on her Doe Network page)

Case File 593UFCA

http://doenetwork.org/cases/images/593UFCA.jpg
Photograph of Victim
Unidentified White Female

The victim was discovered on June 6, 2006 in Pacifica, San Mateo County, California

Estimated Date of Death: 3 months prior.
Mummified Remains

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 25-46 years old (most likely in her 40's.)

Approximate Height and Weight: 5'9"; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown, straight, stringy hair with gray streaks; Brown eyes. Yellowing of the cranial bones suggest possible tetracycline therapy for acne.
Dentals: Available. She once received high-quality, extensive dental work. The Coroner’s Office is hoping a dentist may recognize her face and remember performing the work.
Clothing: Gray fleece jacket with front zipper, LL Bean brand men's XL navy blue, nylon/Dacron pants with waist fastener and zipper, Cherokee brand, XL dark blue pants with waist snap and drawstring, Merona brand, M white canvass style shoes, size 9W.
Fingerprints: Available
Case History
The victim was located inside a tent along a service trail south of San Pedro Avenue, just off of Highway 1 in Pacifica, California on June 6, 2006.
The tent she was found in contained many books, including two Bibles, a “Busy Women’s Journal” with several scriptures noted and Harry Potter. On the tent were letters made of tape stating, “no go, no eat, no drink, murder.”

Her fingerprints were run through the county system and revealed a picture, name, date of birth and place of birth. All the information was fake.
Police picked up the woman in January for walking along the expressway acting erratically. She was booked into the San Mateo County Jail by the California Highway Patrol.
The name she gave at the time of her arrest was Sam Smith, with a date of birth at of January 20, 1960 and a birthplace of Louisville, Kentucky. She was released with no charges.
The cause of the woman's death remains undetermined because her body was too badly decomposed to allow a ruling. But officials don't believe she was murdered because there were no obvious signs of trauma. Toxicology tests were inconclusive.
According to the coroner's report, the woman left writings in some of her books that indicated she planned to starve herself to death.
Investigators found a newspaper in the tent dated March 2, which could indicate she'd been dead several months.
Coroners have tried to match her with the dental records of several other missing persons but have not found a match.
******** ***********

San Mateo County, with a population of over 712,000, claims a low number of homeless, one of the 'official' numbers being as low as 800. Other claims chronic homelessness at 1,400; others state number closer to 6,000 at any given time. Based on national statistics, 24% of the homeless are female; 31% of the total have some type or level of mental illness.
Based on the little I've picked up from reading various sources, it appears to me this woman was suffering some form of schizophrenia. In females, adult-onset schizophrenia usually manifests between the ages of 26 and 32.
Due to the extensive "high quality" dental work, the tetracycline treatment for acne...I can't help but believe this woman was once a member of mainstream society. She seems to have been an attractive woman at one time. As we've seen on countless TV shows, such as Law and Order, CSI, I feel she slipped away from those who cared for her, possibly refusing medication and joining the nameless society we term 'the homeless'.
Somewhere, someone knows this woman, worked with her, watched in sadness as she deteriorated and drifted away.
And I can't help believing she has family somewhere, who miss her, worry over her, and await word of her.

The message she wrote on her tent in tape intrigues me. "No go, no eat, no drink", I can understand if she intended to kill herself (suicide is not uncommon in persons suffering from schizophrenia) but why the use of the word "murder"? Could there be something else at work here? I've read that traumatic incidents can help trigger the onset of schizophrenia, as can the use of amphetamines.

Julessleuther
08-22-2008, 11:03 PM
Thanks ShadowAngel for adding all the doe information. Perhaps she was paranoid that someone was after her? I wonder if she is a local, or from somewhere else. I wish we knew which passages in the bible she had outlined--it may be a clue. I wonder if her fingerprints were ever run nationally? Pacifica is right by San Francisco, and right near the Golden Gate Park.

Julessleuther
08-22-2008, 11:36 PM
Ok--I also would like to know if anything was written in the busy womens journal. It appears to be a journal for busy women, particularly mothers. If it is this journal, it appears to be available on a website---perhaps the owner of this website has a list of all clients? http://www.plannerandjournal.com/planner.html (http://www.plannerandjournal.com/planner.html)

She was picked up in Jan in Redwood City, according to this blog:
http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/2007/08/sam-smith-or-so-thats-what-i-told.html (http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/2007/08/sam-smith-or-so-thats-what-i-told.html) This blog lists her height as between 5'4" and 5"6, but Doe lists it as 5'9". That is a big difference!

WholeLottaRosie
08-23-2008, 01:34 AM
Maybe when she was arrested she gave a fake name, but her real DOB? I have heard of (but, am not sure how to get them,) Birth Indexes that list all the births in a state on a given day - I believe people use them in adoption searches. I was just thinking maybe KY's could be checked for that date, although I am not sure what to do next - often women's names change when married, or people move. But, I guess I wanted to throw this out. I remember someone telling me that people often give their real DOB when asked (like a bouncer) even if they have a fake id, so maybe she did as well.

MagicRose99
08-23-2008, 09:41 AM
This case is in the Cold Cases forum here... you may want to take a peek for "references" sake to see what (if anything) was already looked at...

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46577

cymster
08-23-2008, 11:21 AM
Was Monica Lynn Appleton ruled out? There is something about her picture that reminds me of this Jane Doe...the hair especially.

Julessleuther
08-24-2008, 10:46 PM
I did find several Samantha Smiths who went to high school in Louisville, Ky various years. Perhaps one was a family member--why would she pick that name, that local, etc. especially since she was way out in CA, unless she did have a local connection.[/

Julessleuther
08-24-2008, 10:59 PM
Ok--I checked out the other thread--there were a few good candidates there--I will ask there to see if any of the ladies posted have been ruled out:

Tracy Melton
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2274dfca.html

Monica Appleton
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401447S

Laura Breding
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breding_laura.html

Jeanine Sanchez Harms
http://www.findjeanine.com/

Julessleuther
08-24-2008, 11:02 PM
Hi all---we are also working on this case in Missing/Unidentified
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69433

Has anyone ever contacted LE regarding the following missings in regards to this doe? If not, can I/we start working on this? Thanks!

Tracy Melton
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2274dfca.html

Monica Appleton
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200401447S (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401447S)

Laura Breding
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ing_laura.html (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breding_laura.html)

Jeanine Sanchez Harms
http://www.findjeanine.com/


I think Doogie is right about Tracy--her face structure is different, and her height is off. I think Monica has the closest look, even the heavy eyelids. Laura has blue eyes, and the latest news is the a suspect has been arrested in her death.

Julessleuther
08-25-2008, 12:28 AM
Look at this one--they look SO much alike. The eye color is different, but I wonder if that is just LE error. The height is almost right on, and the area she went missing is N. Cal, not too far away from where Jane Doe was found.

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502369S


Here is another one. She was missing a long time before 2006 though...
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705155S

EmilyE
08-26-2008, 12:49 PM
Yea her eyes don't look blue thats for sure. More like hazel/green.

Soulmagent
08-29-2008, 05:28 PM
http://www.texasequusearch.org/missing_persons/JessicaFoster.pdf I thought this was interesting with the whole caps on her teeth thing and the height listed for her on her you tube vid , makes it seem as if there it may be a guess. It Also seems from the coments on the link that seem may have been homeless for a bit. I found Jessicas missing posters today and remebered this thread.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Hbuf-vw5E

badhorsie
09-05-2008, 02:54 PM
Have just joined this forum after reading for weeks. I am an RN based in the UK. This poor lady looks thyrotoxic to me, looks like she has exopthalmus, does anyone else think so? Her face haunts me and I find it difficult to look at her, poor lady...

Sable
09-05-2008, 04:19 PM
I got this from veromi.net :

People Search: SAMANTHA born 01/20/1960

1 Match Found (100 max.)

Name/AKAs: FERRARI, SAMANTHA A (Age 48) (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=SAMANTHA;;A;;FERRARI;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; 132059040;;&2=name&3=people&4=1&5=samantha;;;;;;;;;;01;;20;;1960;;&rc=1)
City, State: LAS VEGAS, NV

teonspaleprincess
09-05-2008, 04:21 PM
Have just joined this forum after reading for weeks. I am an RN based in the UK. This poor lady looks thyrotoxic to me, looks like she has exopthalmus, does anyone else think so? Her face haunts me and I find it difficult to look at her, poor lady...

Her eyes do seem to bulge out of the sockets, but that could be because she was really skinny or because they were open so wide...I don't know.

Julessleuther
09-05-2008, 04:30 PM
Here is a definition of exophtalmos:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exophthalmos


You would be right badhorsie, I wondered why her eyes bulged like that, and thought it might be drugs or some type of mania.
Have just joined this forum after reading for weeks. I am an RN based in the UK. This poor lady looks thyrotoxic to me, looks like she has exopthalmus, does anyone else think so? Her face haunts me and I find it difficult to look at her, poor lady...

Aphra
09-05-2008, 07:38 PM
Maybe she had Graves disease. My sister had that, and if left untreated, could definitely cause erratic behavior. (Lord knows my poor sister was out of sorts emotionally until they adjusted her meds properly...she threw a book at me!)

badhorsie
09-05-2008, 08:22 PM
You are right, it can have a terrible impact on someones mental health, anxiety, manic behaviour...

*must stop diagnosing* bad habit of mine:cat:

cwgrlfromhell
09-07-2008, 03:05 AM
Ok--I checked out the other thread--there were a few good candidates there--I will ask there to see if any of the ladies posted have been ruled out:

Tracy Melton
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2274dfca.html

Monica Appleton
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401447S

Laura Breding
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breding_laura.html

Jeanine Sanchez Harms
http://www.findjeanine.com/


She REALLY looks like Monica Appleton. Have you heard anything??

suddenlyobsessed
09-21-2008, 03:55 AM
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrington_beverly_i.html Does that look like a match? Timeline fits perfectly.

MidnightQ
09-21-2008, 04:34 PM
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrington_beverly_i.html Does that look like a match? Timeline fits perfectly.

The UID was found i 2006 - estimated time of death 3 months prior. Harrington went missing in Jan. 2003.

PoppyMcTwist
09-21-2008, 05:29 PM
Maybe she had Graves disease. My sister had that, and if left untreated, could definitely cause erratic behavior. (Lord knows my poor sister was out of sorts emotionally until they adjusted her meds properly...she threw a book at me!)


I remember it was mentioned that Runaway Bride Jennifer Wilbanks had graves disease. Jennifer's eyes look so much like the eyes of the this Unidentified woman. And as you pointed out, Graves Disease can cause erratic behavior (running away).

Photo of Jennifer:

http://www.crimerant.com/?p=278

teonspaleprincess
09-21-2008, 05:38 PM
The UID was found i 2006 - estimated time of death 3 months prior. Harrington went missing in Jan. 2003.

She could have been living as a transient for a few years prior to dying.

Julessleuther
09-21-2008, 10:02 PM
Wow--they look so much alike, same chin, and similar circumstances. She very easily could have taken a bus to SFO. The height is off though, but I do feel visually that she is the closest match. Maybe you should call it in?
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrington_beverly_i.html Does that look like a match? Timeline fits perfectly.

dee10134
09-22-2008, 03:32 PM
There are 527 females born on 20 Jan 1960 in California...

future criminologist
09-23-2008, 10:49 AM
http://http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.htmlany chance this is Jennifer Ross?
it is hard to find missing women that are as tall as 5'9".

future criminologist
09-23-2008, 11:13 AM
also - we don't know much about this woman Tina Wilson, but she does look like our CA Doe, and she's in the age range - she could have left and traveled to CA. sounds like she was exploring religion as well. She also has the same "haunted" look in her eyes as well - that's the only way I can describe it.

http://http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilson_tina.html

badhorsie
10-02-2008, 07:00 PM
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o157/catscradle2006/thjumping.gif

For this lady, someone must know who she is

future criminologist
10-14-2008, 07:59 PM
I think Kimberly Lilly is a possibility - she bears a resemblance, disappeared 8 years before, which could have allowed enough time for her hair to go gray. has she been ruled out?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lilly_kimberly.html

MeoW333
11-16-2008, 11:14 PM
She looks like she is bipolar in a manic phase. She could definetly have psychosis with that. Look at those eyes. I also thought I read that she appeared to be starving herself. Manic people have to be practically forced to eat. I don't know how this helps, but I guess if we are using a mental illness when we are searching we should look for Bipolar disorder too.

I wonder if she was starving herself do some type of delusion she had. If she herself put the tape on the tent saying "no go, no eat, no drink, murder.Ē

also:

"he tent contained many books, including two Bibles, a ďBusy Womenís JournalĒ with several scriptures noted and Harry Potter."

..quite possibly religious delusions of some sort; they can be common with some of the mentally ill.

"The only thing the Coronerís Office knows for certain is the woman once received high-quality dental work. The Coronerís Office is hoping a dentist somewhere may recognize her face and remember performing the work, Gamble said."

If she was mentally ill; then there is a chance she was hospitalized somewhere before she was released. Most state mental hospitals also provide dental work on the patients; if she was in a more expensive private hospital; the work may be even better. LE might want to check into that as well.

"The woman is believed to be in her 40s. An anthropology report places her age between 33 years old and 46 years old. A dental report estimates her age anywhere from 25 years old to 40 years old."

Her dental work places her 6-8 years younger; she would have had to have been keeping up with her teeth since she had got the dental work done.
She might have been released from a hospital sometime before she was found. If her teeth were in that good a condition; i don't think she'd have been on the streets very long.

(qouted parts from link below)
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=68330

future criminologist
01-28-2009, 10:33 PM
I am bumping this up because I just found Patsy Baker's missing poster and I thought, "where have I seen this woman before?" I know she is much shorter than the UID but I think she looks EXACTLY like this UID!!! just look at the photo...

Patsy Baker
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baker_patsy.html

laini
01-28-2009, 10:47 PM
I am bumping this up because I just found Patsy Baker's missing poster and I thought, "where have I seen this woman before?" I know she is much shorter than the UID but I think she looks EXACTLY like this UID!!! just look at the photo...

Patsy Baker
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baker_patsy.html

I don't think it is her because when I look at Jane Doe's facial features, her jaw seems wider. Patsy Baker's cheek bones are wider. I don't think weight loss would change that. I can see the similarities, though, with the eye and stare!

mae
01-28-2009, 11:32 PM
Was Monica Lynn Appleton ruled out? There is something about her picture that reminds me of this Jane Doe...the hair especially.

The hair, the hairline, the eyes, the eyebrows, the jaw shape. I definitely thought of her when I saw the UID woman.

As you asked, has Monica Lynn Appleton been ruled out?

badhorsie
01-31-2009, 08:49 AM
Good to see this lady on the front page again. I think (as a rn) that she has thyrotoxicosis and exopthalmus, that's why her eyes look strange, this would have developed over time. She may well not have had eyes like that before she went missing.
As for the tapes saying "no go no eat no drink murder" I wonder if someone had been trying to make her move on.

She is one lady I would love to see have the dignity of a marked grave, amongst many others..

tamar
01-31-2009, 09:33 PM
has she been considered?

Doenetwork Case File 1620DFKS

There was some speculation that Bridget was the homeless woman in San Fran known as "The Crier".

I believe I read in an article (I can't seem to locate it again tho) that a friend, or perhaps her sister, had said that Bridget's looks had rapidly declined due to drug use causing her to appear much older than she was.

Also Bridget was an aspiring model... perhaps a death of starvation was meant to be a statement to that?

future criminologist
02-03-2009, 02:12 PM
anyone know if Jennifer Rayleen Casper-Ross has been ruled out?

she's 5'9", 130, has a history of mental illness, and resembles the UID. she could have been dying her hair so if she wasn't taking care of herself, gray hair could have come back. what do you guys think?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

Shecky
02-03-2009, 02:57 PM
anyone know if Jennifer Rayleen Casper-Ross has been ruled out?

she's 5'9", 130, has a history of mental illness, and resembles the UID. she could have been dying her hair so if she wasn't taking care of herself, gray hair could have come back. what do you guys think?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

It says that Jennifer had a previously fractured tailbone. If they took any X-rays of this Jane Doe, it should be fairly easy to find out whether or not she also had such a fracture.

future criminologist
02-03-2009, 03:59 PM
Please take a look at Peggy Humber - she is the correct height and weight, strongly resembles the UID, and disappeared in 2000. also -she has facial acne scars!

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humber_peggy.html

JaneInOz
02-03-2009, 09:02 PM
Please take a look at Peggy Humber - she is the correct height and weight, strongly resembles the UID, and disappeared in 2000. also -she has facial acne scars!

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humber_peggy.html

Hi Ive done a side by side of them I dont think its her
The chin on the UID is a odd shape pointed on on side The chin on peggy is more squarish flat on the botton

Her face is longer Eyebrows different Space between nose and lip also wider

amethyst
02-03-2009, 11:13 PM
anyone know if Jennifer Rayleen Casper-Ross has been ruled out?

she's 5'9", 130, has a history of mental illness, and resembles the UID. she could have been dying her hair so if she wasn't taking care of herself, gray hair could have come back. what do you guys think?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

I think the middle picture on the bottom row looks just like her. I wonder if the uid was so decomposed that any possible tattoos would not be visible because Jennifer has one if i recall correctly but JD doesn't have any listed.

JaneInOz
02-03-2009, 11:21 PM
anyone know if Jennifer Rayleen Casper-Ross has been ruled out?

she's 5'9", 130, has a history of mental illness, and resembles the UID. she could have been dying her hair so if she wasn't taking care of herself, gray hair could have come back. what do you guys think?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

Ive looked at all the photos of Jennifer and I do not think this is this UID

The space on the uid between her nose and top of her lip is a lot wider than Jennifer
Jennifers was a lot less Also Jennifer has a pointed tip to her nose
jmo

Fairy1
02-04-2009, 01:02 AM
Hi Ive done a side by side of them I dont think its her
The chin on the UID is a odd shape pointed on on side The chin on peggy is more squarish flat on the botton

Her face is longer Eyebrows different Space between nose and lip also wider

Can you share your side-by-sides or are they just for you?

MadeaBecBec
02-04-2009, 03:42 AM
Do ya'll think this could be her? Height & Weight is about right, I believe this photo of Mary Comiskey is a DL pic, so her hair could've been longer, plus she suffered from Graves disease... I'm thinkin' she may just be a bit young for CA Jane Doe http://doenetwork.org/cases/593ufca.html

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/comiskey_mary.html

I'll be waitin' on ya'lls responses...

JaneInOz
02-04-2009, 04:52 AM
Can you share your side-by-sides or are they just for you?

:eek: Wow no need to be so rude
It takes work to do the side by sides then load them up on the album and paste here.
I get the pics and look at them in my photoshop side by side - if I think personally that they look similar then I will do the work and paste them up
But I cant do it with all the cases I look at
You also only get so many pictures to upload into your album on here so I don't want to use up my space

Feel free to do some

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=5915



I have done the one with Jennifer and another post above which I also do not think matches.

Ive also spent hours over another possible that I will also post after this post that you will all think me nuts for but please hear me out :) lol

JaneInOz
02-04-2009, 05:16 AM
Ive done this side by side.
I know the stats are out A LOT

This body was mummified. There is no actual way to tell the exact age and there have been some cases where the UID and the actual person were no where near the same

Ive been studying these pics all day, and Ive been debating with myself whether to post them lest you all think ME crazy !

But here goes ....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=5914



First Point - Look at the Hairline from photo number Three to the UID (photo number two)

2cnd Point - Look at the Jaw line of photo one three and four of Rachel's too the UID photo of number two

3rd Point - Look at the jowel lines of Rachel 1 3 and 4 to UID number 2

4th Point - Look at Rachels photo number four to the UID's Eyebrows Rachels are all well maintained and plucked and so is the UID's

5th Point - Look at Rachels Nose in photo four and compare to the UID in photo 2 its the same

The distance between nose and lips is right too

6th Point- It did say that at one time the UID must have had very good dental care. It looks like Rachel has lovely teeth.

If something shocking happened to Rachel, it could have turned her Grey, The eyes could be from illness or could be from a traumatic Incident

Rachel went missing January the 10th 2002

The UID was found June 6th 2006

Anything could have happened in those four years.

I know its probably crazy and probably no way its her, because other things are not right ie the height, but they do say approximate and there have been may times when things are completely different.

Any thoughts ?


ETA : The first photo of RAchel she has Acne here is a clearer one

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=5916



ETA 2 - They do state between 25 to 46 on the Jane Doe Network UID was found 2006 and Rachel did go missing when she was 21 in 2002 which would put her at 24

tamar
02-04-2009, 05:38 AM
Bridget Lee Pendell - Williamson

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance


Missing Since: December 9, 1996 from Witchita, Kanasas
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: June 12, 1973
Age: 23
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 120 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Characteristics: Two scars on forearms
close to elbow, tattoo of a "yellow rose" on upper thigh,
tattoo of a "tribal" design around bicep, tattoo of a light
blue "cat" wearing a pearl neacklace on abdomen.
Medical Conditions: According to her sister, she was
addicted to heroin.

Details of Disappearance
Pendell-Williamson was following the band Grateful Dead around the country when she disappeared; she had been doing that for several years prior to her disappearance. Her family has not heard from her since late 1996. She is considered endangered due to her failure to contact them. Pendell-Williamson has been known to travel in and between California, Vermont, Oregon, New York and Arizona. She may now be homeless or in a methadone program.

Bridget Pendell could be "The Crier," a willowy woman who wanders the darkest streets of San Francisco inexplicably weeping. She could be a wasted-thin drug addict with tribal face tattoos who is turning tricks in the Mission.... rest of story (http://peace4missing.ning.com/group/themissinghomeless/forum/topics/2153128:Topic:378)

JaneInOz
02-04-2009, 06:03 AM
Here are some more photos of Pendell-Williamson

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pendell-williamson_bridget.html

I personally dont think she is the uid

how sad for pendells family :( her father died at 46 and her sister Jackie who thought that picture of the Crier looked like her sister , died just a few years ago

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.pendell/65/mb.ashx

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17559

this link has more info on her as well

The body was mummified of the UID so I guess that they would have seen any tattoos

tamar
02-04-2009, 12:13 PM
yes, the tattoos (or lack of mention) didn't fit, but I also read that the body was 'very decomposed'... perhaps both are true.

future criminologist
02-04-2009, 01:53 PM
another problem is that the UID is 5'9" and Pendell-Williamson is 5'5 - 4 inches is a big discrepancy.

future criminologist
02-04-2009, 01:56 PM
Ive done this side by side.
I know the stats are out A LOT

This body was mummified. There is no actual way to tell the exact age and there have been some cases where the UID and the actual person were no where near the same

Ive been studying these pics all day, and Ive been debating with myself whether to post them lest you all think ME crazy !

But here goes ....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=5914


there is evidence that Cooke was abducted while she was out jogging.


First Point - Look at the Hairline from photo number Three to the UID (photo number two)

2cnd Point - Look at the Jaw line of photo one three and four of Rachel's too the UID photo of number two

3rd Point - Look at the jowel lines of Rachel 1 3 and 4 to UID number 2

4th Point - Look at Rachels photo number four to the UID's Eyebrows Rachels are all well maintained and plucked and so is the UID's

5th Point - Look at Rachels Nose in photo four and compare to the UID in photo 2 its the same

The distance between nose and lips is right too

6th Point- It did say that at one time the UID must have had very good dental care. It looks like Rachel has lovely teeth.

If something shocking happened to Rachel, it could have turned her Grey, The eyes could be from illness or could be from a traumatic Incident

Rachel went missing January the 10th 2002

The UID was found June 6th 2006

Anything could have happened in those four years.

I know its probably crazy and probably no way its her, because other things are not right ie the height, but they do say approximate and there have been may times when things are completely different.

Any thoughts ?


ETA : The first photo of RAchel she has Acne here is a clearer one

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=749&pictureid=5916



ETA 2 - They do state between 25 to 46 on the Jane Doe Network UID was found 2006 and Rachel did go missing when she was 21 in 2002 which would put her at 24

sorry but I see no resemblance here.

this woman was much older than Cooke - she had gray hairs. I don't see any resemblance whatsoever. there is good evidence that Cooke was abducted while out jogging. her ending up mentally ill in a tent in California just doesn't make any sense.

also...the UID was 5'9". Rachel was 5'2. that is a huge discrepancy - 7 inches - and the difference between someone petite, and someone tall. I don't know how you can make a 5'2 woman 5'9, and vice versa.

it's a reeeeeal stretch, IMO.

tamar
02-04-2009, 04:32 PM
Good point FC,

The height estimation always perplexes me tho... how is it assessed and how often is it accurate? I've noticed at times there is up to 5" in play for the UID. And when there is a missing person are authorities going by a family member's estimation, or perhaps by an arrest record-- and if it is an arrest record, do police make you remove your shoes, smash down your hair, and measure you like at the doctor's office; or do they go by what the driver's license states, despite the tendency for people to exaggerate/minimize height and weight on a license?

of course *I* would never do that. *cough*

JaneInOz
02-04-2009, 06:35 PM
Good point FC,

The height estimation always perplexes me tho... how is it assessed and how often is it accurate? I've noticed at times there is up to 5" in play for the UID. And when there is a missing person are authorities going by a family member's estimation, or perhaps by an arrest record-- and if it is an arrest record, do police make you remove your shoes, smash down your hair, and measure you like at the doctor's office; or do they go by what the driver's license states, despite the tendency for people to exaggerate/minimize height and weight on a license?

of course *I* would never do that. *cough*

I agree...

with regards to the grey, Rachel had her hair dyed. as per all the different colour hair in the photos on prev page


Some autoimmune problems, in which antibodies mistakenly attack parts of the body, including melanin-producing cells in hair follicles, can also lead to gray hair. If a person has Hashimoto's disease, for instance, in which antibodies attack the thyroid gland, he or she might also have other antibodies that attack melanin-producing cells in follicles, Dobs said.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/health_science/articles/2005/04/19/what_makes_hair_go_gray_can_you_go_gray_suddenly_i f_youre_sick_or_upset/

I don't recall them saying that this woman was mentally ill

Its not known if she actually wrote those words on the tent

Anyway it probably is a stretch as you said

Stranger things have happened ;)

JaneInOz
02-04-2009, 07:30 PM
http://www.thyroid.org/patients/brochures/Graves_brochure.pdf


Also Graves disease which has been suggested that the UID may have due to the wide eyes can cause premature greying in 20's

Its a inherited condition

Interesting to note this too



Physicians have
long suspected that severe emotional stress, such as the death of a loved
one, can set off Graves’ disease in some patients. Dr. Graves himself
commented on stressful events in his patients’ lives that came several
months before the development of hyperthyroidism. However, many
patients who develop Graves’ disease report no stress in their lives.


Bold is mine - abduction and or who knows what else could certainly be a massive stressor -
There is much talk about Human Trafficking as well and abduction of girls, drugging them etc

Just thought how alike the facial structure and hair line and acne was and ear lobe

pearly
04-23-2009, 11:45 PM
Hi Guys,
I would like to keep pursuing this one but don't want to step on anyones toes...can anyone tell me if they have been in contact with LE as I would like to do that????

And does anyone know if there has been any definite rule outs with regards to this Jane?

Pearly

Julessleuther
04-24-2009, 01:51 AM
I have not contacted anyone, I do not know if anyone else has...
Hi Guys,
I would like to keep pursuing this one but don't want to step on anyones toes...can anyone tell me if they have been in contact with LE as I would like to do that????

And does anyone know if there has been any definite rule outs with regards to this Jane?

Pearly

MadeaBecBec
04-24-2009, 02:00 PM
Hello all you sweet sleuthers!! Just wanted to let you all know that I sent an email to the Agencys involved in this Janes (which I have named CaliforniaTent Jane) and Monica Appletons cases, today!
Back in 2008, before I became a member here, I had sent an email to Monicas brother about this Jane and then periodically checked her website to see if there was any mention of Jane or the ruling on this case! So far, nothing and the forums at findmonica.org have been down for sometime! Anywhoooo, I thought I would try to give both of these cases another 'bump' to the forefront with their respective agencys and IMO that is ALL good, I don't want to aggravate the agencys, but, just warm them up a bit.:crazy:

Here's the side by side :eek: that I attached to the email:

pearly
04-26-2009, 06:19 AM
Hi Guys I emailed LE too so will post response when received as everyone says this case should be so easily solveable....maybe a fresh start is what this newly named 'California Tent Jane' needs.

Fingers Crossed.

Pearly

MadeaBecBec
04-26-2009, 10:32 AM
Hi Guys I emailed LE too so will post response when received as everyone says this case should be so easily solveable....maybe a fresh start is what this newly named 'California Tent Jane' needs.

Fingers Crossed.

Pearly

Wunnerful Wunnerful, I hope the ME will allow you the full report on this one!

Re: Monica, She should be an easy enough rule out or match, since her fingerprints are on file in Texas....
I am still searching for other missings, too! The Comiskey girl suffered from Graves, so I am going to email those agencys as well...
Does anyone know if an autopsy shows Thyroid diseases? I'll call my pathologist buddy, see if she will answer that one, she's out-of-town this weekend thru Tuesday, so if someone knows that answer, please do, post!!

Off to one of the Grands Birthday Parties!!! :blowkiss:

future criminologist
04-27-2009, 07:17 PM
hey everyone, I haven't looked at this UID in a while, but I was perusing the site updates at Doe Network and just came across this woman, Diane Langlume. IMO, even though the height is off by a few inches, she looks very much like our Jane Doe, and the circumstances make sense - she went missing in 1999 from San Francisco.

and, they look like they have the same eyes. I know that's not much to make a match on, but it definitely grabbed my attention. see for yourself:

Diane Langlume

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2786dfca.html

Missing since January 11, 1999 from San Francisco, California
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: April 18, 1947
Age at Time of Disappearance: 51 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Black hair; brown eyes.
Dentals: Not available.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Diana Langlume was last seen on January 11, 1999.

pearly
04-27-2009, 07:25 PM
hey everyone, I haven't looked at this UID in a while, but I was perusing the site updates at Doe Network and just came across this woman, Diane Langlume. IMO, even though the height is off by a few inches, she looks very much like our Jane Doe, and the circumstances make sense - she went missing in 1999 from San Francisco.

and, they look like they have the same eyes. I know that's not much to make a match on, but it definitely grabbed my attention. see for yourself:

Diane Langlume

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2786dfca.html

Missing since January 11, 1999 from San Francisco, California
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: April 18, 1947
Age at Time of Disappearance: 51 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Black hair; brown eyes.
Dentals: Not available.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Diana Langlume was last seen on January 11, 1999.

Wow someone else is on at this time (from Australia and tackling my law assignments so nice change to go to websleuths even though I was here 5min ago :crazy:)

Anyway she does look similar (lips etc) her hair could have grayed. She has no dentals so fingerprints would be the only way of comparison. MBB and I have contacted LE and ME together but are still waiting replies...I have asked for rule outs for this Doe because we don't have a conclusive list from what I have read and then I thought from there we could start deciding who we would like to submit first.

Good find!

jessunlil
04-27-2009, 08:29 PM
I didn't see this site posted, but I'm running on 3 hours of sleep so I may have missed it.
It has several photos of Monica.
http://www.findmonicaappleton.com/home/modules.php?name=Photo_Album

Julessleuther
04-27-2009, 09:04 PM
Great side by side, thank you. I would be surprised if this was NOT Monica, they really do look so much alike, even in the chin, jawline, and nose. The only thing that seems different is the eye brows. CA Does are thinner.


http://www.findmonicaappleton.com/images/scan0009.jpg




Hello all you sweet sleuthers!! Just wanted to let you all know that I sent an email to the Agencys involved in this Janes (which I have named CaliforniaTent Jane) and Monica Appletons cases, today!
Back in 2008, before I became a member here, I had sent an email to Monicas brother about this Jane and then periodically checked her website to see if there was any mention of Jane or the ruling on this case! So far, nothing and the forums at findmonica.org have been down for sometime! Anywhoooo, I thought I would try to give both of these cases another 'bump' to the forefront with their respective agencys and IMO that is ALL good, I don't want to aggravate the agencys, but, just warm them up a bit.:crazy:

Here's the side by side :eek: that I attached to the email:

tatertot
04-27-2009, 11:14 PM
Re: the eyebrows...Jane Doe's hair looks unkempt and she had probably been off her acne medication awhile to break out that badly, but it's interesting that she still had neatly manicured brows. From my expereince, eyebrows don't take that long to grow out so I wonder why she paid particular attention to that aspect of her appearance.

Also, I'm not superstitious but it struck me that she was found on 6-6-06, not that she could have planned it that way.

jessunlil
04-28-2009, 11:12 AM
I tried to clean her skin up a little bit, to maybe give a better idea of what she might have looked like before going off her acne medication. I also tried to add a little fullness to her hair on one side to balance things out a bit. While looking at her hair, it kind of looks like she might have dyed her hair lighter some time ago but it's had a while for the brown/grey to grow out.

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Channy
04-28-2009, 06:35 PM
Re: the eyebrows...Jane Doe's hair looks unkempt and she had probably been off her acne medication awhile to break out that badly, but it's interesting that she still had neatly manicured brows. From my expereince, eyebrows don't take that long to grow out so I wonder why she paid particular attention to that aspect of her appearance.

Also, I'm not superstitious but it struck me that she was found on 6-6-06, not that she could have planned it that way.

I thought the same thing about the eyebrows! This case has been haunting me for the last week, and I think she could be Monica Appleton.

Sorry for the bad english, French is my first language (I'm from province of Quebec, Canada). I've been lurking for while and I finally decided to register a few days ago. :)

mortytbusybody
04-29-2009, 02:32 PM
Hi, first time poster and long time lurker as well. I live in the Bay Area so this case hits close to home and I would love to see this nameless woman gain an identity.

The thing I notice right away about California Tent Jane (CTJ) is that she has what appears to be a dark mole on her neck. In the photo of young Monica posted by Julessleuther it appears she has a very light mole on her neck but in a slightly LOWER position. I don't have any fancy photo manipulation equipment on my computer but can anyone enlarge and enhance some of the other photos of Monica and post here so we can see if she might have a mole as well that may have darkened with age?

Moles usually don't develop in adulthood unless they are cancerous, so I guess the possibility remains that if CTJ was on the streets long enough she could have developed a cancerous mole, but it seems more likely that the mole would have been there since childhood.

I'm new at this so I could be wrong but I just wanted to throw that out there in case it helps.:)

jessunlil
04-30-2009, 10:15 AM
I don't see a mole in the same place in this photo of Monica. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to enlarge a photo without losing some clarity in the process.

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MadeaBecBec
04-30-2009, 03:09 PM
Here's a clearer photo of CTJane, I blew it up as much as I could and the place on her neck, doesn't appear to have dimension, so methinks, it may be a fresh acne scar or a healing scratch! But then again, the photo (if scanned) may not show any dimension...
As I was looking at her neck, I noticed the swelling there, too! So I am in agreement with the previous poster that stated she could have suffered from Graves disease. I asked my friend who is a pathologist about that showing up in an autopsy, she answered that sometimes it does, sometimes it is mistaken for liver cirrhosis, Graves effects the liver and spleen, if untreated... Depends alot on time of death to autopsy. She looked at CTJanes photo and agreed that she was probably thyrotoxic and her reported erratic behavior (being picked up by LE) could indicate a thyroid storm occurring, re: rapid heart beat feels like an anxiety attack and alot of patients report that it effects their breathing. She sent me this website http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter10/10_pathology.htm and I've read it, but, well, MadeaBecBec has to have documents in 5th grade language :crazy: So what I could ascertain (5th graders use this word,too) from the website is that sometimes it (decreased thyrotropin cells) is detectable only if untreated.... I also understand that Graves disease sometimes causes itching on the skin (because of the effect on the liver) and this clearer photo of CTJane, looks a bit like she scratched at her face, of course my friend said that illicit drug usuage can cause the same effects on the body as Graves.... She did note the swelling in CTJanes neck also!
All that and here's the clearer photo from SMC CA Coroners site:

jessunlil
04-30-2009, 03:44 PM
This site explained Grave's Disease in terms I could wrap my brain around. :)

http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc9032.htm

"Another serious danger in Grave's disease is a condition called thyroid storm, also known as thyrotoxicosis. This sudden, extreme surge in thyroid activity leads to fever, weakness, confusion, psychosis, and even coma. It's considered a life-threatening emergency that requires immediate medical attention. "

MadeaBecBec
04-30-2009, 04:22 PM
This site explained Grave's Disease in terms I could wrap my brain around. :)

http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc9032.htm

"Another serious danger in Grave's disease is a condition called thyroid storm, also known as thyrotoxicosis. This sudden, extreme surge in thyroid activity leads to fever, weakness, confusion, psychosis, and even coma. It's considered a life-threatening emergency that requires immediate medical attention. "
Thank you! I like easy to follow articles, because unless you know someone that has (or have yourself) had a disease, or a medically trained professional, it can get confusing. :waitasec:
I sure hope Pearly gets a copy of the autopsy report or at least some explanation of it!!

Julessleuther
04-30-2009, 07:59 PM
Ok, I do not know why I did not notice this before in looking at CA Tent JD, but perhaps she had lupus and not acne? Lupus will cause a butterfly shaped red rash on the face, across the bridge of the nose and on the cheeks. If she had lupus and was exposed to the sun, that would exacebate the rash. (I know because I have lupus). Lupus flareups can happen more after menopause. Lupus can also cause brain problems, such as depression, confusion, or seizures. Some have swelling in or around the eyes. Unless the ME did specific antibody tests for lupus, which most do not, lupus would have been hard to diagnose in her. If she HAD been treated with antimalarials, if she had lupus, it could have caused damage to her retinas, and medicines like pregnisone (I was on it for awhile) could cause cataracts. Or she could have had roseacea too?? Just throwing some new ones out there....

pearly
04-30-2009, 08:49 PM
Hi Guys,
I am still waiting on LE to get back to me but I promise will post something as soon as I hear. I havent been here for a while stuck with assignments :(

badhorsie
05-01-2009, 06:25 PM
I remain convinced she has Exophthalmos, caused by thyrotoxicosis.This would explain "erratic behaviour" rather than severe mental illness.
Lupus has more of a "butterfly rash"
I think she looks very much like Monica A, especially after seeig the side by side pictures JMHO :blowkiss:

future criminologist
05-03-2009, 01:43 AM
hey, not sure if this has already been answered - was a toxicology report done on this UID?

we've speculated as to acne, graves, lupus, etc but to me the wild eyes and the scratches on the face that suggest acne could also be a severe meth addiction. Meth addiction can also cause psychotic side effects that mimic schitzophrenia. It's another possibility.

badhorsie
05-03-2009, 09:42 AM
JD was mummified, is it possible to do tox tests on a mummified corpse?
The photo was taken on a event when she was picked up by police for "behaving erratically" I wonder whether they would have run a test then, unsure how your policing system works.
If she had appeared mentally ill at the time wouldn't she have had a psych evaluation?
They just let her go again AFAIK.
She had some interesting possessions such as a "Busy womans" journal, she had been cared for in the past by the sound of it...
Is it possible to contact Monica's family?
I keep harping on about Graves as she just looks so much like she has it, I am an RN.
I would love to see a profile pic as that would show how much her eyes were protruding.
Her eyebrows were well cared for, but when when I have been severely depressed, I always manicured my nails, just another little thing...
I am so glad she is on the front page again as she is one of the JDs that really gets to me:blowkiss:

b4e
04-30-2010, 11:11 AM
This case has haunted me since I first saw it on Can You Identify Me's web site. I am brainstorming here, just shooting out the first thing that pops into my head, but could "No go, no eat, no drink" mean she was turned away from a homeless shelter?

b4e
05-05-2010, 08:01 PM
Two names that have been ruled out by Can You Identify Me, via LE:

Monica Appleton
Suzanne Agnes Berron

CarlK90245
05-05-2010, 08:23 PM
This case has haunted me since I first saw it on Can You Identify Me's web site. I am brainstorming here, just shooting out the first thing that pops into my head, but could "No go, no eat, no drink" mean she was turned away from a homeless shelter?

That's how I would interpret that.

"No go, no eat, no drink - Murder" sounds to me like she felt that the refusal to give her food, drink, and restroom facilities was tantamount to murder.

b4e
05-05-2010, 08:32 PM
I'm working on an e-mail that I plan to send to homeless shelters in San Mateo County. They probably don't keep lists of the people who've been turned away, but perhaps someone who worked there in 2006 is still there and a photo might jog their memory. It's worth a shot.

CarlK90245
05-05-2010, 08:51 PM
I'm working on an e-mail that I plan to send to homeless shelters in San Mateo County. They probably don't keep lists of the people who've been turned away, but perhaps someone who worked there in 2006 is still there and a photo might jog their memory. It's worth a shot.

That's not a bad idea, although even if someone would remember her, they probably wouldn't know anything about her true identity.

Apparently, there are people (i.e. LE) who remember her, they just don't know who she was because she gave LE a fictitious name when she was arrested.

b4e
05-05-2010, 08:54 PM
That's not a bad idea, although even if someone would remember her, they probably wouldn't know anything about her true identity.

Apparently, there are people (i.e. LE) who remember her, they just don't know who she was because she gave LE a fictitious name when she was arrested.

She probably wouldn't have given her real name to the shelters, either, but maybe she dropped some little tidbit (a daughter...a husband...something) that might be of some help. At least, I'm hoping...

masnitram
10-12-2010, 05:54 PM
I've been looking at this case on and off for quite a while. Interesting find on-line. http://blogs.myspace.com/patterning (http://blogs.myspace.com/patterning)

If you page down to Sunday, August 30, 2009 the person who has this blog uses the phrase “no go, no eat, no drink, murder.” It is a pretty interesting poem to say the least. Not sure if there is any real connection to the UID, other then perhaps simple knowledge of the case. I don't have a myspace page so I can't ask the person about the phrase use....

Another blog; page down to #73 http://ripplesinthemind.blogspot.com/

Claudette
11-16-2010, 11:45 PM
This is a very strange case. How does one become mummified in a tent in such a short time? How is that possible? I've only heard of that happening with people buried in the ground with specific soil, moisture, etc conditions after years.

It also stuck out to me that she plucked her eyebrows but didn't take care of her hair or skin anymore.

I saw the weird saying as a kind of message to herself, like LE apparently seems to think too. That she is reminding herself she is not to eat. Maybe it was a religious fast?

reasypeasy
11-17-2010, 02:51 AM
I wish we knew more about what books she had with her, where they appear to have been obtained from and whether she had something for carrying them in or out of the situation... a backpack? A cardbord box? Multiple cardboard boxes? Books aren't light and how they were transported to the location might be relevant.

What exactly does LE mean here by saying she had "many books"? Does this mean ten? Twenty? Two hundred? "Many books" is a highly subjective term that depends on a person's attitude to books and reading.

And what were those books, other than bibles and Harry Potter? Did she have all the Harry Potter books up to that point? Romance novels? Literary or popular fic? Any non-fiction? Were the books mainly new or mainly old or a bit of a mix? Did they have signs of having been bought secondhand? Why two bibles, were they different versions, did one look more sentimental and the other more for actual use?

So much more to know.

masnitram
01-02-2011, 02:24 AM
I found an article regarding "Sam Smith"; this states she is 5'4"-5-6"....not 5'9" like she is listed at on the Doe Network.

http://bakerst221b.blogspot.com/2007/04/jane-doe-san-mateo-county-california.html

While looking for information on a completely unrelated case, I ran across SUSAN YVONNE GOURLEY who disappeared from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada in 2001. Thoughts?

http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=1208

CarlK90245
01-02-2011, 02:45 AM
While looking for information on a completely unrelated case, I ran across SUSAN YVONNE GOURLEY who disappeared from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada in 2001. Thoughts?

http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=1208

They do Look pretty close. I had to take a pretty good look at the two.

The one thing I am seeing is that the distance between Jane Doe's jaws is about the same as the distance between her cheekbones. There is no taper from cheekbones to jaws. Susan's jaws appear to be a little narrower in comparison to her cheekbones, and there is a taper in her facial outline from cheekbones to jaws. The camera angles might account for some of the distance, as Jane Doe's photo is pretty direct, and Susan's face is turned very slightly to her left. But I don't think the difference in camera angles is enough to account for the difference that I am seeing.

masnitram
01-03-2011, 03:19 PM
They do Look pretty close. I had to take a pretty good look at the two.

The one thing I am seeing is that the distance between Jane Doe's jaws is about the same as the distance between her cheekbones. There is no taper from cheekbones to jaws. Susan's jaws appear to be a little narrower in comparison to her cheekbones, and there is a taper in her facial outline from cheekbones to jaws. The camera angles might account for some of the distance, as Jane Doe's photo is pretty direct, and Susan's face is turned very slightly to her left. But I don't think the difference in camera angles is enough to account for the difference that I am seeing.


Thanks Carlk, I do see what you're saying. Do you notice that both women appear to have some type of "laziness" in regards to their lips/mouths? I'm not sure how to articulate it, but it looks like there is paralysis or almost a side effect from having a stroke. Again I'm not sure how to say it....but that is what caught initially caught my attention.

froggierintexas
01-31-2011, 02:18 AM
Bump and what about this woman: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baliel_vickie.html ?

trigger
03-10-2011, 11:43 PM
Bump and what about this woman: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baliel_vickie.html ?

No, its not her. The UID was found 2006.

trigger
03-10-2011, 11:47 PM
I'm wondering if her eyebrows are tattooed? Also it look likes she has no eyelashes.

Also it seems strange that she was wearing mens clothing and shoes. Being 130lbs and wearing XL Mens clothes just seems weird to me.

Claudette
06-29-2011, 12:52 AM
What is really weird to me about this UID is you can tell she probably could be a beautiful woman if taken care of and at some point DID take care of herself. The acne medication, extensive expensive dental work, and even still the perfect eyebrows despite whatever was going on with her. I can't get over the eyebrows. That plus the starving herself to death part. She was clearly not in a healthy state of mind and yet, was (IMO) obsessive over her weight and plucked her eyebrows. The starving was a punishment probably to herself, maybe driving herself crazy (literally) over perfection? Wide speculation here but I wonder if she was a beauty queen when she was younger, or homecoming queen or something. Or the runner up.

I agree the wearing men's clothes is strange, considering all the above. But it makes sense if she fit my above theory. I know it sounds really, really strange and I almost feel kind of bad sharing this theory, but I think her vanity, or the pressures of female beauty from society (especially in Cali) is part of what drove her to suicide by starvation. The letting herself go with greasy unkempt hair and zero makeup plus wearing men's clothes is also part of the punishment to herself. Obviously some kind of mental illness or drug use was what made her obsession get out of hand. She was pretty tall and very thin, perhaps a model or wanted to be one.

Again, this is ALL speculation.

Kimster
07-03-2011, 02:23 AM
Has anyone checked the Kentucky databases?

EdinburghLass
08-16-2012, 08:56 PM
There is a missing persons FB page called Seeking the Lost. The page has recently posted a photo of a woman wanted for child pornography. My first thought was that the woman looks so similar to this Jane Doe.

I don't know if I am doing this right but I am trying to attach a photo of the poster.

webrocket
08-16-2012, 09:59 PM
this case is creepy. the image we see of the UID is said to be a photograph of the deceased. has anyone heard of eyes lasting months post death?

I do not believe she starved herself as she would have been far more gaunt if that was her chosen way to go. I am assuming she had some sort of chemically induced death.

also, it was said that "Her fingerprints were run through the county system and revealed a picture, name, date of birth and place of birth. All the information was fake." I wonder if they ever expanded the fingerprint search to include CA statewide or any sort of interstate or federal database.

tamar
08-16-2012, 10:36 PM
Webrocket- I believe that is her booking photo before death-- she gave false information to LE.

webrocket
08-17-2012, 05:58 AM
Webrocket- I believe that is her booking photo before death-- she gave false information to LE.

see what happens when I read things too literally!

bflocket
08-17-2012, 07:56 AM
I'm in a rush, so I may have just overlooked this...

Did she "give" (ie tell/say) the birthplace as Louisville, Jefferson Co, KY?

If that's what she said, she should indeed have ties to the area. With Louisville indeed in Jefferson County, she seemed to know. It's different from LA, where there is indeed an LA County also (no "Louisville County" in KY),

Sue Doe Nimm
10-21-2012, 02:01 AM
There is a missing persons FB page called Seeking the Lost. The page has recently posted a photo of a woman wanted for child pornography. My first thought was that the woman looks so similar to this Jane Doe.

They caught the woman in the child porn video maybe a month and a half ago, so unless she's a walker she isn't Sam Smith. ;)

I know someone mentioned a possible match for a woman who required medication due to a high ammonia level in her liver. Unmedicated, that condition would kill her much sooner than ten years after her disappearance. I'd say within a few months at the most.

This lady really gets to me. My uncle is schizophrenic, and the idea that she died alone from such a horrible illness breaks my heart. I pray that her identity is discovered soon, and that her final resting place will be one that has her name and more peace than she had in life.

sfbaynancydrew
10-23-2012, 01:45 PM
Hi everyone, just checking out this forum.

In regards to her eyebrows, she could have had them permanently shaped (electrolysis, laser, etc) back when she was having expensive dental work and skin treatment. She may have once cared very much about her appearance.

If she *is* mentally ill (and she sounds like it from her descriptions and that picture), her family may have just written her off years ago. It's really sad that no one has noticed or cared that she's gone.

carbuff
10-23-2012, 02:10 PM
Her NamUs entry: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647

Not a lot there -- but 31 names on the ruleouts list.

Kathryn Adam 1958 Kansas
Peggy Ashley-Vinson 1977 Kentucky
Stephanie Banks 1976 Kentucky
Sonya Bradley 1967 Kentucky
Michelle Burchell 1972 Kentucky
Rose Cole 1956 California
Zola Combs 1956 Kentucky
Joyce Crider 1970 Kentucky
Vicky De Laurier 1961 Kentucky
Loy Evitts 1947 Kansas
Sandra Fisher 1947 Kentucky
Paula Godfrey 1965 Kansas
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Ylva Hagner 1954 California
Dawn Haines 1967 Kentucky
Carole Hamilton 1971 Kentucky
Angelia Hilbert 1966 Kentucky
Ginger Hudson 1960 Kansas
Mary Lang 1952 Kansas
Barbara Laster 1964 Kentucky
Elizabeth Maggard 1961 Kentucky
Georgia Nolan 1946 Kentucky
Bridgett Pendell-Williamson 1973 California
Angela Pilkerton 1960 Kentucky
Susan Riedling 1967 Kentucky
Sherry Roach 1959 California
Martha Shelton 1944 Kentucky
Patrick Sturbaum 1921 California
Carol Sullens 1972 Kansas
Margaret Warrington 1962 Kentucky
Rose West 1944 Kentucky

sfbaynancydrew
10-23-2012, 02:24 PM
Thank you carbuff, excellent to know the ruleouts.

Has she been ruled out as Anna Christian Waters? I know it's far fetched, but same neck of the woods, matches description and with the fake name...just wondering.

carbuff
10-23-2012, 02:51 PM
Thank you carbuff, excellent to know the ruleouts.

Has she been ruled out as Anna Christian Waters? I know it's far fetched, but same neck of the woods, matches description and with the fake name...just wondering.

No, and the other name I don't see on the list is Monica Appleton. I thought there was a ruleout on her several years ago?

websurfer
10-24-2012, 01:50 PM
Her NamUs entry: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647

Not a lot there -- but 31 names on the ruleouts list.

Kathryn Adam 1958 Kansas
Peggy Ashley-Vinson 1977 Kentucky
Stephanie Banks 1976 Kentucky
Sonya Bradley 1967 Kentucky
Michelle Burchell 1972 Kentucky
Rose Cole 1956 California
Zola Combs 1956 Kentucky
Joyce Crider 1970 Kentucky
Vicky De Laurier 1961 Kentucky
Loy Evitts 1947 Kansas
Sandra Fisher 1947 Kentucky
Paula Godfrey 1965 Kansas
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Ylva Hagner 1954 California
Dawn Haines 1967 Kentucky
Carole Hamilton 1971 Kentucky
Angelia Hilbert 1966 Kentucky
Ginger Hudson 1960 Kansas
Mary Lang 1952 Kansas
Barbara Laster 1964 Kentucky
Elizabeth Maggard 1961 Kentucky
Georgia Nolan 1946 Kentucky
Bridgett Pendell-Williamson 1973 California
Angela Pilkerton 1960 Kentucky
Susan Riedling 1967 Kentucky
Sherry Roach 1959 California
Martha Shelton 1944 Kentucky
Patrick Sturbaum 1921 California
Carol Sullens 1972 Kansas
Margaret Warrington 1962 Kentucky
Rose West 1944 Kentucky


:twocents:
I've noticed in some Missing Person's profiles/cases that some are reported missing much later[ even years] after they have gone missing so I was thinking?
Why don't we all just look after the found date as well as the ones before?
Plus I also recall reading that some people are never reported missing so?
I am hoping this lady has had a report filed maybe even years after she went missing right?
:waitasec:

carbuff
10-24-2012, 04:55 PM
:twocents:
I've noticed in some Missing Person's profiles/cases that some are reported missing much later[ even years] after they have gone missing so I was thinking?
Why don't we all just look after the found date as well as the ones before?
Plus I also recall reading that some people are never reported missing so?
I am hoping this lady has had a report filed maybe even years after she went missing right?
:waitasec:

It's certainly a possibility for people whose missing date is uncertain.

bambi_sue
11-16-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm attaching a side by side of this doe and Jennifer Casper-Ross. Jennifer was mentioned a few pages (and years) back, but without much discussion.

30 year-old Jennifer was last seen in Reno, NV on May 5, 2005, intoxicated and fleeing barefoot from a cab she could not pay. She had a history of mental illness (bipolar disorder) and had been hospitalized for it before. She also had a history of mixing her medications with alcohol. She had been a dancer and at one time a showgirl, so she took great care with her appearance. She was also an accomplished student - presumably well read. When she disappeared she had blonde highlights in her brown hair. She had had extensive dental work done. Jennifer was 5'9" and 130 lbs.

Link to her thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79177


The NamUs page for this Jane Doe lists that x-rays are available. Jennifer had at one time broken her tailbone - that should make this an easy rule-out, right? Anyone have thoughts on this one?

Claudette
11-16-2012, 09:49 PM
I'm attaching a side by side of this doe and Jennifer Casper-Ross. Jennifer was mentioned a few pages (and years) back, but without much discussion.

30 year-old Jennifer was last seen in Reno, NV on May 5, 2005, intoxicated and fleeing barefoot from a cab she could not pay. She had a history of mental illness (bipolar disorder) and had been hospitalized for it before. She also had a history of mixing her medications with alcohol. She had been a dancer and at one time a showgirl, so she took great care with her appearance. She was also an accomplished student - presumably well read. When she disappeared she had blonde highlights in her brown hair. She had had extensive dental work done. Jennifer was 5'9" and 130 lbs.

Link to her thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79177


The NamUs page for this Jane Doe lists that x-rays are available. Jennifer had at one time broken her tailbone - that should make this an easy rule-out, right? Anyone have thoughts on this one?


MOO the angle of her eyebrows and jaw shape are different

belfastgirl73
11-16-2012, 10:12 PM
I'm attaching a side by side of this doe and Jennifer Casper-Ross. Jennifer was mentioned a few pages (and years) back, but without much discussion.

30 year-old Jennifer was last seen in Reno, NV on May 5, 2005, intoxicated and fleeing barefoot from a cab she could not pay. She had a history of mental illness (bipolar disorder) and had been hospitalized for it before. She also had a history of mixing her medications with alcohol. She had been a dancer and at one time a showgirl, so she took great care with her appearance. She was also an accomplished student - presumably well read. When she disappeared she had blonde highlights in her brown hair. She had had extensive dental work done. Jennifer was 5'9" and 130 lbs.

Link to her thread:
[url="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79177"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=791

The NamUs page for this Jane Doe lists that x-rays are available. Jennifer had at one time broken her tailbone - that should make this an easy rule-out, right? Anyone have thoughts on this one?

I actually think their facial shapes are quite similar. If she had not been eating or looking after herself she would look older/rougher. I would call it in. Can't hurt - right?

not_my_kids
11-18-2012, 02:10 PM
I won't post it here, because I know that there is no way to link the case with the profile, but if you google "No go, no eat, no drink, murder" a Myspace profile pops up with that exact line in a poem from 2009.

Possibly linked in some way? no idea. Might it have been that the person that wrote the poem saw that line on a website related to this case and decided to use it? Might it be that the person had some connection to the case? Might it be that the person that wrote the poem has a similar form of mental illness and randomly wrote the same line? Maybe, because I know that a lot of mental illnesses cause issues related to words and speech. My cousin is schizophrenic, and I know that when he goes off his meds, he plays word games, so like if I say "pass the potatoes", he will twist those three words, read hidden meanings into them and interpret it as me saying that the potatoes are poisoned and we are tying to kill him. So if the person that wrote the poem and the UID had similar delusions or mental illness it is possible.

Like I said, I won't post the link to the profile, but Google brings it up on the first page of results, it's a myspace profile, open to public view and the name of the poem is Rotten. I just found it interesting and I am thinking out loud, not accusing anyone of anything.

masnitram
11-28-2012, 05:03 PM
How about Phyllis Ellen Lewellen? Forgive me if she has been brought up, and or ruled out. I'm at work and don't have a lot of time to post a side-by-side.

http://www.nampn.org/cases/lewellen_phyllis.html

Donjeta
11-28-2012, 05:41 PM
One of the lines of the poem is " Whoever you were - your pain is over" which might be something you write if you're inspired by a Jane Doe case. Who knows.

Fin
01-03-2013, 12:03 PM
No, and the other name I don't see on the list is Monica Appleton. I thought there was a ruleout on her several years ago?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/1160http://doenetwork.org/cases/images/593UFCA.jpg

I have always felt this UID looks like the most recent Monica Appleton photo. Monica was fearful and making paranoid type statements to her mother the last time she saw Monica. Perhaps, things worsened in the time she went missing in 1999. This UID photo was believed to have been taken in early 2006?

There are now 70 rule out names on the UID Namus page. Monica's name is not on the rule out page.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/appleton_monica.html

carbuff
01-03-2013, 01:27 PM
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/1160http://doenetwork.org/cases/images/593UFCA.jpg

I have always felt this UID looks like the most recent Monica Appleton photo. Monica was fearful and making paranoid type statements to her mother the last time she saw Monica. Perhaps, things worsened in the time she went missing in 1999. This UID photo was believed to have been taken in early 2006?

There are now 70 rule out names on the UID Namus page. Monica's name is not on the rule out page.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/appleton_monica.html

Do you think we should resubmit her? Every time I look at that photo, I think, "Yeah, that's either her or her dopelganger." They both have that haunted terrified look to their eyes.

CarlK90245
01-03-2013, 02:36 PM
Do you think we should resubmit her? Every time I look at that photo, I think, "Yeah, that's either her or her dopelganger." They both have that haunted terrified look to their eyes.

She does look amazingly close. But I do see a couple of subtle but significant differences. (1) The space between the Jane Doe's nose and upper lip is narrower, and (2) The Jane Doe has ridges between her nostrils and above her upper lip that Monica doesn't have.

BTW, the shapes around the nostrils are often a very good place to look when making these comparisons.

Irish_Eyes
01-03-2013, 03:24 PM
On these types of cases, I almost wish they'd do age regression....what she might look like with a little less gray, and her hair combed, and smiling, and a few years younger...

Fin
01-03-2013, 04:12 PM
Do you think we should resubmit her?

I vote for re-submitting M.A.

Fin
01-03-2013, 04:25 PM
She does look amazingly close. But I do see a couple of subtle but significant differences. (1) The space between the Jane Doe's nose and upper lip is narrower, and (2) The Jane Doe has ridges between her nostrils and above her upper lip that Monica doesn't have.

Carl, I had a feeling that distance between UID's nose and upper lip would cause attention. However, I want you all to play along with me for a moment.

1. Stand in front of a mirror.
2. Purse your lips slightly together as if you were just going to start a kiss type lip movement. (or fish face or pucker for a cat call, etc)
3. Notice when you do this that the distance shortens the space between one's nose and upper lip.
In the photo, it appears that the UID is slightly pursing together/projecting her lips together (possibly forward). I am not sure if she is grinding her teeth, etc. Sometimes, some people on the street (whether due to dental hygiene or drugs) seem to have a bone loss type appearance (dentally). Not sure if that is what is going on here or not.
OK, end of game. Relax face now. Thanks for playing!

Fin
01-03-2013, 04:34 PM
I'm wondering if her eyebrows are tattooed? Also it look likes she has no eyelashes.

Also it seems strange that she was wearing mens clothing and shoes. Being 130lbs and wearing XL Mens clothes just seems weird to me.

There are 2 weights given: 130 lbs and 70 lbs (namus). Not sure if the 70 lbs weight is the mummified actual weight. and the 130 lb is a living estimate?

CarlK90245
01-03-2013, 04:36 PM
Carl, I had a feeling that distance between UID's nose and upper lip would cause attention. However, I want you all to play along with me for a moment.

1. Stand in front of a mirror.
2. Purse your lips slightly together as if you were just going to start a kiss type lip movement. (or fish face or pucker for a cat call, etc)
3. Notice when you do this that the distance shortens the space between one's nose and upper lip.
In the photo, it appears that the UID is slightly pursing together/projecting her lips together (possibly forward). I am not sure if she is grinding her teeth, etc. Sometimes, some people on the street (whether due to dental hygiene or drugs) seem to have a bone loss type appearance (dentally). Not sure if that is what is going on here or not.
OK, end of game. Relax face now. Thanks for playing!


I'll grant you that. It also could be affected if her upper teeth had significant wear between the times that the two photos were taken.

However, the ridges behind and under the nostrils would not undergo change from age, poor nutrition, or facial expression.

sfbaynancydrew
01-04-2013, 02:23 AM
Medications can make a person grimace and cause slight facial changes over time as well.

Personally, I think you've nailed it Fin! I hope they check her out!

Magnum P.E.
01-04-2013, 11:37 AM
Monica Appleton has family/friends looking for her, there is a webpage. Wonder if they know about this UID?

Monica Appleton seems to have fallen off society's radar in late 1999. She apparently had enough dealings with the law in the previous year that there should be a straight on pic around to overlay with the UID. Her prints should have been compared long ago but stranger things have happened.

MadeaBecBec
01-13-2013, 10:56 PM
Monica Appleton has family/friends looking for her, there is a webpage. Wonder if they know about this UID?

Monica Appleton seems to have fallen off society's radar in late 1999. She apparently had enough dealings with the law in the previous year that there should be a straight on pic around to overlay with the UID. Her prints should have been compared long ago but stranger things have happened.

Yes, her brother started that website and raised funds to help search for her. I e-mailed him through the website back in 2008 and suggested he look into California Tent Jane. Also, submitted info to San Mateo Coroner/Unidentified Unit, then, and again in April 2009. No response from the brother and a Thank you e-mail from the Coroner, that is all. Monica had 2 children, so there should be DNA if the fingerprints aren't compared. Monica is the closest match to CA Tent Jane, in photos.... Back on 5-5-2010, 'b4e' posted that on the website "Can You Identify Me?" Monica Appleton and Suzanne Berron were ruled out, via LE. I didn't see Berron's name on the list of rule-outs on NAMUS either...:what:

I really hope, that someone with better connections than myself, will or has already, re-submitted MA as a possible! :please:

Fin
01-15-2013, 07:24 PM
Bonnie Rae Kelly
missing since July 9, 2003

http://www.missingin.org/images/missing/NAT_5409_1.jpg

http://www.missingin.org/reg3005/bonnie_rae_kelly.htm

sfbaynancydrew
01-16-2013, 11:32 PM
Fin, you've got a great eye.

Wolf Dreamer
01-17-2013, 05:14 AM
Yes, her brother started that website and raised funds to help search for her. I e-mailed him through the website back in 2008 and suggested he look into California Tent Jane. Also, submitted info to San Mateo Coroner/Unidentified Unit, then, and again in April 2009. No response from the brother and a Thank you e-mail from the Coroner, that is all. Monica had 2 children, so there should be DNA if the fingerprints aren't compared. Monica is the closest match to CA Tent Jane, in photos.... Back on 5-5-2010, 'b4e' posted that on the website "Can You Identify Me?" Monica Appleton and Suzanne Berron were ruled out, via LE. I didn't see Berron's name on the list of rule-outs on NAMUS either...:what:

I really hope, that someone with better connections than myself, will or has already, re-submitted MA as a possible! :please:

Just skimming through this, but do we know if they were able to determine if California Tent Jane had had children?

Hexe
01-27-2013, 08:22 PM
I've tried to paint Tent Jane as she could look in her better days, without that grimace on her face and manical eyes. Hope that it could be useful. Here she is in three different hairdos:

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wOmTpyzpf1A/UQXCUi7ksxI/AAAAAAAACK8/O_ZNnj_ib6Q/s512/samsmith1.jpg


http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7FXHuf9c0c4/UQXCig9bORI/AAAAAAAACLE/87tdunltJbQ/s512/samsmith2.jpg


http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6kkDJgmbbfo/UQXCqrS-f5I/AAAAAAAACLM/SwixVhRNNFA/s512/samsmith3.jpg

Odyssey
01-28-2013, 02:46 AM
I know the age is off and I don't know how to do side by side photos, but is there any possibility this could be Paulette Jaster?

www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jaster_paulette.html

Hexe
01-28-2013, 09:36 AM
I know the age is off and I don't know how to do side by side photos, but is there any possibility this could be Paulette Jaster?

www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jaster_paulette.html

Don't think so. Doe's nose is rather long and narrow, with pointed tip, and Paulette's is short and broad.

mjak
01-28-2013, 06:55 PM
I'm attaching a side by side of this doe and Jennifer Casper-Ross. Jennifer was mentioned a few pages (and years) back, but without much discussion.

30 year-old Jennifer was last seen in Reno, NV on May 5, 2005, intoxicated and fleeing barefoot from a cab she could not pay. She had a history of mental illness (bipolar disorder) and had been hospitalized for it before. She also had a history of mixing her medications with alcohol. She had been a dancer and at one time a showgirl, so she took great care with her appearance. She was also an accomplished student - presumably well read. When she disappeared she had blonde highlights in her brown hair. She had had extensive dental work done. Jennifer was 5'9" and 130 lbs.

Link to her thread


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79177


The NamUs page for this Jane Doe lists that x-rays are available. Jennifer had at one time broken her tailbone - that should make this an easy rule-out, right? Anyone have thoughts on this one?


I think there is a very strong resmebalance here. The sight difference in the facial shape could be that the UID's picture is of a very deshevled and shocky looking women; where as the kown picture of Jennifer looks relaxed and posed. Has anyone called this in? I think the Appleton women resembales in once picture but on her website there are many pictures of her and she looks nothing like this uid.

mjak

bubbletoes
02-13-2013, 11:39 PM
Hello Websleuthers,

I am new here and this case has fascinated me! I was looking at Jennifer Casper-Ross's Charley Project profile and saw another missing Nevada woman's profile that I felt looked like like this Jane Doe. I was wondering what you all thought of this being Star Palumbo, missing from Reno, NV.

Star's Charley Project profile:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/palumbo_star.html

Star went missing in 4/2000. She was a methamphetamine addict and was allegedly into prostitution. She was extremely paranoid and delusional at the time of her disappearance - she felt the federal government was going to murder her and that she was being followed. Her last known contact involved extremely bizarre and paranoid behavior and an alleged sighting of Star 8 months after her disappearance also was notable for similar paranoid behaviors.

If you imagined Star disheveled, with pursed lips, flared nostrils, and wild eyes, I think she looks like CA Tent Jane. I see similarities in their jawlines and chins. Star also seems to have well groomed very dark eyebrows in all of her photos. I think the reconstructions that Hexe did on page 7 of an unagitated CA Tent Jane look a lot like photos of Star. A lot of Starís pictures seem like older ones - high school portraits or high school dance photos, so they might not be the most accurate comparisons given that she was 25 when she went missing. She had developed her addiction and paranoid behavior in the last year or so before she went missing.

Physical attributes are similar. Star had brown hair/eyes, height 5í4Ē-5'5", weight says 115 in some places, 125 in others. Estimates of CA Tent Janeís height are all over the place - from 5í4Ē to 5í6Ē to 5í9Ē and her weight is consistently estimated at 130.

The only thing I see that isnít super consistent is that Star is a little young for the 33-45 age projection of CA Tent Jane (age 31 at time of discovery), but original dental projections for CA Tent Jane placed her at 25-45 so that might not be too far off, especially given Starís addiction. Methamphetamine and street life will age someone very fast.

Please let me know what you think. I may be way off, this is my first time doing this, but I think that CA Tent Jane could be Star.

webrocket
02-14-2013, 06:36 AM
thanks bubbletoes for your suggestion.

I looked back for the links to this UID and am going to place them here for easier comparison. I like the possibility for many reasons yet there is one possible negative - timing.

Star is the right height, weight, hair color, eye color and in her meth crazed world, she could easily have met her demise by herself in a tent. I can't explain what Star would have been doing for 6 yrs (other than more of the same) yet if she was getting into trouble, she might have been giving false names as she had two books on changing identities in her car.

one last thing, the UID had some gray hair. I suppose 6 yrs of meth could age a person in a hurry so that aspect is not an issue to me.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647
http://doenetwork.org/cases/593ufca.html

micheleonelonly
02-14-2013, 03:09 PM
thanks bubbletoes for your suggestion.

I looked back for the links to this UID and am going to place them here for easier comparison. I like the possibility for many reasons yet there is one possible negative - timing.

Star is the right height, weight, hair color, eye color and in her meth crazed world, she could easily have met her demise by herself in a tent. I can't explain what Star would have been doing for 6 yrs (other than more of the same) yet if she was getting into trouble, she might have been giving false names as she had two books on changing identities in her car.

one last thing, the UID had some gray hair. I suppose 6 yrs of meth could age a person in a hurry so that aspect is not an issue to me.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647
http://doenetwork.org/cases/593ufca.html

Star Palumbo is definitely an interesting possibility. I can see it after a few years of hard drugs and a transient lifestyle. If it's her, she likely just floated around, engaging in illegal prostitution. The legal brothels in NV have a lot of rules, and she probably would have stayed away from them to shield her identity.

If she was prostituting in any big city, it's possible she went all that time without ever being caught. I know illegal prostitutes here in Reno who have worked that long and haven't been caught.

carbuff
02-14-2013, 07:46 PM
If she stayed somewhere until she got in trouble, then moved on, she could easily have drifted over the mountains to the Sacramento area and then on toward the coast.

Babyslims
02-14-2013, 09:49 PM
I still wonder if Jennifer Casper-Ross could be her. I know the height is off. I went to go find more pictures and a facebook page for her has a image of her w/ a bowl in her hand that looks really really similar to the jane doe. The shape of her lips are about the same as jane does and the shape of her face is very close in that pic!

bubbletoes
02-14-2013, 10:08 PM
Thank you all for your responses!

As far as timing goes, I believe it is very plausible that she got into the transient/methamphetamine lifestyle, hooked up with a pimp and/or other people in similar circumstances, and just existed for a few years. There was an unconfirmed sighting of her 8 months after her disappearance that seemed pretty solid Ė she may have been hiding from a pimp and quickly left with another woman. Hereís a site I found that had some more details about that sighting:

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_star_palumbo.htm

Pacifica is only 230 miles from Reno, and itís a pretty straight shot down major highways. The large cities of Sacramento and San Francisco are in between these two points. I can tell you as a native of the area that thereís plenty of drug and criminal activity around, especially meth. Like you all said, if she just kept moving and giving false names if caught, itís entirely possible that she made it that far.

Do you think this is strong enough information for me to make a call to the authorities? Like I said before, Iíve never done anything like this and want to make sure Iím doing the right thing.

webrocket
02-14-2013, 11:24 PM
I think there is more than enough to justify a call. good find!


Thank you all for your responses!

As far as timing goes, I believe it is very plausible that she got into the transient/methamphetamine lifestyle, hooked up with a pimp and/or other people in similar circumstances, and just existed for a few years. There was an unconfirmed sighting of her 8 months after her disappearance that seemed pretty solid Ė she may have been hiding from a pimp and quickly left with another woman. Hereís a site I found that had some more details about that sighting:

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_star_palumbo.htm

Pacifica is only 230 miles from Reno, and itís a pretty straight shot down major highways. The large cities of Sacramento and San Francisco are in between these two points. I can tell you as a native of the area that thereís plenty of drug and criminal activity around, especially meth. Like you all said, if she just kept moving and giving false names if caught, itís entirely possible that she made it that far.

Do you think this is strong enough information for me to make a call to the authorities? Like I said before, Iíve never done anything like this and want to make sure Iím doing the right thing.

carbuff
02-15-2013, 01:49 PM
Yes, I think this is an extremely solid possibility. Call it in! Nice find.

micheleonelonly
02-15-2013, 08:53 PM
Thank you all for your responses!

As far as timing goes, I believe it is very plausible that she got into the transient/methamphetamine lifestyle, hooked up with a pimp and/or other people in similar circumstances, and just existed for a few years. There was an unconfirmed sighting of her 8 months after her disappearance that seemed pretty solid Ė she may have been hiding from a pimp and quickly left with another woman. Hereís a site I found that had some more details about that sighting:

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_star_palumbo.htm

Pacifica is only 230 miles from Reno, and itís a pretty straight shot down major highways. The large cities of Sacramento and San Francisco are in between these two points. I can tell you as a native of the area that thereís plenty of drug and criminal activity around, especially meth. Like you all said, if she just kept moving and giving false names if caught, itís entirely possible that she made it that far.

Do you think this is strong enough information for me to make a call to the authorities? Like I said before, Iíve never done anything like this and want to make sure Iím doing the right thing.


If the sighting really was of Star, it would definitely support the idea that she was just traveling around. The sighting was in a town called Elko, NV, which is about 5 hours east of Reno, and the opposite way one would go is Pacifica was the destination.

I would say call it in, it wouldn't hurt anything, and I think this is a solid possibility. I live in Reno, where Star was from, and I have always hoped she would be found somewhere.

bubbletoes
02-19-2013, 02:33 AM
Hello all,
Just a quick update - on Friday, I called the San Mateo County Coroner's Office about Star. The case manager was very nice. I'll let you know if I hear anything! Thank you all again for being so nice to a newbie - I look forward to participating more at Websleuths!

Fuuro
03-27-2013, 09:09 PM
This is just a stab in the dark, but a user before commented that this woman should be compared to children who went missing a long, long time ago (60s/70s/80s), so I have compiled a list of missing kids that have similar features to this woman.

Christie Lynn Farni, missing since Dec. 14, 1978 from Medford Oregon (following is from http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/farni_christie.html):

Date Of Birth: January 18, 1972
Age: 6 years old
Height and Weight: 3'8, 50 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, brown eyes. Christie has a burn scar on her chest. Her ears are pierced.


Details of Disappearance

Christie told authorities that her father, Kenneth Ray Farni, physically abused her in 1978. She was placed in a foster home in the 50 block of Peach Street in Medford, Oregon shortly afterwards. Christie testified before a grand jury regarding her allegations on December 14, 1978. She was last seen walking to Jackson Elementary School later during the morning hours. She never arrived as scheduled and has not been heard from again.
Christie had been living with the foster family for only three days prior to her disappearance. Her school allegedly called her foster parents at 1:30 p.m. on the day of her disappearance and told them Christie never arrived to class, but the police were not notified until after 4:00 p.m.

Christie's father and stepmother cooperated with the investigation into her disappearance. Her mother died in a motorcycle accident in 1977, one year prior to her disappearance. Kenneth moved to California sometime after Christie went missing. He died in an car crash in 1994, at the age of 47.

Christie's case was reopened in recent years by authorities. Two individuals confessed to her supposed murder some years before, but investigators now believe they were not connected to her case. Authorities speculated that Christie may have been abducted by an unidentified family member and either murdered or hidden in a safe location. Christie's surviving family members stated they believe her foster family may have been involved in her disappearance. There is no evidence to support any theory.

Christie's family members reside in Oregon, Michigan, Arizona and California; officials stated that they re-interviewed her relatives in recent years. Her disappearance remains unsolved and is still classified as a non-family abduction.



Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Medford Police Department
541-774-2250

It says Christie has family living in California, which leads me to believe, she was abducted by a family member and was harbored in California and possibly never received an education due to the offenders fearing that someone would recognize Christie. The education theory makes sense when you realize that the message left on tape seems incoherent and it overall seems like it was written by someone who was not well-versed in the English language. Oregon also borders with California, so it would make sense that Christie was taken there since it is the quickest route. I see some facial resemblance and they both share eye and hair color.

Shaliegh Sharrie Phillips, missing since Feb. 12, 1988 from El Cajon, California (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/phillips_shaliegh.html):
Missing Since: February 12, 1988 from El Cajon, California
Classification: Endangered Runaway
Date Of Birth: December 22, 1975
Age: 12 years old
Height and Weight: 5'7, 110 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Blonde hair, brown eyes. Shaliegh's feet are unequal in size and she has to wear different sized shoes for each. She has a hairline crack in her skull which may or may not be visible in an X-ray.
Clothing/Jewelry Description: Levi's jeans and a pink sweater.


Details of Disappearance

Shaliegh was last seen leaving her family's residence in El Cajon, California on February 12, 1988. She said she was planning to visit friends nearby. She never returned home and has not been heard from again. Authorities believe Shaliegh left of her own accord and may have remained in the El Cajon area for some time after her initial disappearance. Foul play is possible in Shaliegh's case, but few details are available.

Another case I think could be possible, but since the Jane Doe's fingerprints are available, I'm assuming that Shaliegh had already been ruled out. I'm also pretty sure they would have noticed if the Jane Doe had different sized feet as well. Shaliegh would have been around the approximate age of the Jane Doe (30) at the time of her death. Shaliegh had blonde hair, but it's possible it could have darkened over time. Besides, the doe's hair looks a little on the light brown side.

Side by side comparisons (Pictures all taken from previous links and uploaded to imgur)
http://i.imgur.com/X29h5BC.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/YfBPvlu.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/iWgNAeB.jpg
Christie, circa 1978, AP to age 40, Jane Doe

http://i.imgur.com/AWMv0e5.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/zDwIJ2e.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/iWgNAeB.jpg
Shaliegh, circa 1988, AP to age 35, Jane Doe

Hexe
04-01-2013, 11:47 AM
That might be an extremally long shot. I stumbled upon the photo of this girl in the another thread and I thought she resembles Tent Jane verrry much. Height fits, hair color and eye color too, age is slightly off. What do you think?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2065/61

carbuff
04-02-2013, 07:42 PM
That might be an extremally long shot. I stumbled upon the photo of this girl in the another thread and I thought she resembles Tent Jane verrry much. Height fits, hair color and eye color too, age is slightly off. What do you think?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2065/61

Huh, there really is a strong resemblance -- usually I'm not good at this, but I didn't even have to do a side by side to see it. Does the timeline work?

Hexe
04-02-2013, 08:27 PM
Huh, there really is a strong resemblance -- usually I'm not good at this, but I didn't even have to do a side by side to see it. Does the timeline work?

That's the problem. Diane Marie Schulte vanished from her home in 1977, Tent Jane was found in 2006. Three decades, what would Diane do during that time and why go no contact with her family? That's why I think it's a long shot, but that resemblance...

sfbaynancydrew
04-02-2013, 08:46 PM
I third the strong resemblance. Maybe the strongest so far.

carbuff
04-02-2013, 10:07 PM
That's the problem. Diane Marie Schulte vanished from her home in 1977, Tent Jane was found in 2006. Three decades, what would Diane do during that time and why go no contact with her family? That's why I think it's a long shot, but that resemblance...

So she's 22 in 1977, which would make her 51 in 2006. UID estimated upper range 46 -- so only five years off.

As for what she was doing -- it's entirely possible she was living on the streets that whole time, moving from camp to camp. And if she was doing that, she quite likely wouldn't contact her family. I don't see anything there to rule it out.

carbuff
04-02-2013, 10:08 PM
Exclusions as of 2 April 2013:

Kathryn Adam 1958 Kansas
Bettina Antone 1936 California
Peggy Ashley-Vinson 1977 Kentucky
Lynn Bandringa 1945 California
Stephanie Banks 1976 Kentucky
Sonya Bradley 1967 Kentucky
Johanna Brighton 1943 California
Marilee Bruszer 1944 California
Michelle Burchell 1972 Kentucky
Carman Burhans 1941 California
Wendy Byron 1954 California
Patricia Calatrello 1934 California
Rose Cole 1956 California
Zola Combs 1956 Kentucky
Lynn Connes 1955 California
DONELLA COULTAS 1950 California
Joyce Crider 1970 Kentucky
Vicky De Laurier 1961 Kentucky
Christine Eastin 1952 California
Loy Evitts 1947 Kansas
Sandra Fisher 1947 Kentucky
Paula Godfrey 1965 Kansas
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Corinne Groenenberg 1957 California
Frances Groves 1915 California
Frances Groves 1915 California
Ylva Hagner 1954 California
Dawn Haines 1967 Kentucky
Cheryl Hall 1953 California
Carole Hamilton 1971 Kentucky
Teresa HAMMON 1963 California
JOYCE HARPER 1943 California
Angelia Hilbert 1966 Kentucky
Ginger Hudson 1960 Kansas
Kimberly Kahler 1964 California
Terry Kelley 1953 California
Mary Lang 1952 Kansas
Barbara Laster 1964 Kentucky
Carol Lubahn 1954 California
Elizabeth Maggard 1961 Kentucky
Kim Mallon 1960 California
Elisabeth Martinson 1960 California
Dena McHan 1962 California
Cindy Mellin 1950 California
Connie Minchaca 1960 California
Georgia Nolan 1946 Kentucky
Bridgett Pendell-Williamson 1973 California
Janel Peters 1960 California
Sherry Pickle 1956 California
Angela Pilkerton 1960 Kentucky
Debra Pscholka 1958 California
Susan Riedling 1967 Kentucky
Sherry Roach 1959 California
Alma Root 1965 California
Doris SCANDALIS 1930 California
Lucinda Schaefer 1962 California
Khymbrly SCRUGGS 1960 California
Martha Shelton 1944 Kentucky
Kimberly Stewart 1956 California
Mary Stuart 1945 California
Patrick Sturbaum 1921 California
Carol Sullens 1972 Kansas
Sarah Tokier 1960 California
Barbara Tolbert 1951 California
Wilma Vermaas 1952 California
Margaret Warrington 1962 Kentucky
Rose West 1944 Kentucky
Rochelle White 1951 California
Judy WORRELL 1957 California
Cheryl Wyant 1964 California

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647

Hexe
04-03-2013, 11:52 AM
So she's 22 in 1977, which would make her 51 in 2006. UID estimated upper range 46 -- so only five years off.

As for what she was doing -- it's entirely possible she was living on the streets that whole time, moving from camp to camp. And if she was doing that, she quite likely wouldn't contact her family. I don't see anything there to rule it out.

Well, that is a possibility.

Could someone submit Diane as a possible match? I'm not from U.S, I don't know If I can.

just jen
10-22-2013, 12:02 AM
I have been looking back-and-forth for some time now and still see Monica Appleton when I see this poor "tent" lady's photo.

I see Monica has still not been ruled out. Does anyone know if anything ever came of that lead/tip into the brother or L.E.? (Was L.E. ever contacted with Appleton being a possible match?)

FiveFelines
11-26-2013, 09:29 PM
I don't know how helpful it is, but I came across this Doe's dental chart while looking for something else. Didn't see it linked here already.

http://www.co.sanmateo.ca.us/vgn/images/portal/cit_609/44/48/985606627dentalchrt_06-03.pdf


I'm also curious if anyone ever submitted Jennifer Casper-Ross, as she's still not on the rule out list. A few other thoughts about this UID:

She might have rosacea or lupus rather than acne scarring.

She has a mole on her neck in her mugshot that could be helpful in comparing possible matches.

Her eyebrows are surprisingly well-groomed compared to the rest of her appearance. Or, as someone else suggested. They could be tattoos.

sfbaynancydrew
01-13-2014, 11:45 PM
Rebekah?

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=5771208800144

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/image.aspx?img_id=5771208800144mp1.jpg&width=200

wannabeasupersleuth
01-14-2014, 01:16 AM
I know this is such a long shot..but the streets of SF can do this to a beautiful young girl......
Bridget Lee Pendell
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pendell-williamson_bridget.html

wannabeasupersleuth
01-14-2014, 01:22 AM
I know this is such a long shot..but the streets of SF can do this to a beautiful young girl......
Bridget Lee Pendell
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pendell-williamson_bridget.html


The mugshot of Bridget is from 1997...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/14/e9aguhez.jpg

carbuff
01-14-2014, 02:10 PM
93 ruleouts as of January 14, 2014. Bridgett Pendell is on the list, but Rebekkah Miller and Diane Schulte aren't:


Kathryn Adam 1958 Kansas
Bettina Antone 1936 California
Peggy Ashley-Vinson 1977 Kentucky
Lynn Bandringa 1945 California
Stephanie Banks 1976 Kentucky
Sonya Bradley 1967 Kentucky
Johanna Brighton 1943 California
Marilee Bruszer 1944 California
Michelle Burchell 1972 Kentucky
Carman Burhans 1941 California
Wendy Byron 1954 California
Patricia Calatrello 1934 California
Jana Carpenter-Koklich 1960 California
Rose Cole 1956 California
Zola Combs 1956 Kentucky
Lynn Connes 1955 California
Lana Coronado 1948 California
DONELLA COULTAS 1950 California
Joyce Crider 1970 Kentucky
Vicky De Laurier 1961 Kentucky
Christine Eastin 1952 California
Loy Evitts 1947 Kansas
Sandra Fisher 1947 Kentucky
Gina Garcia 1964 California
Paula Godfrey 1965 Kansas
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Corinne Groenenberg 1957 California
Frances Groves 1915 California
Frances Groves 1915 California
Ylva Hagner 1954 California
Dawn Haines 1967 Kentucky
Cheryl Hall 1953 California
Carole Hamilton 1971 Kentucky
Teresa HAMMON 1963 California
JOYCE HARPER 1943 California
Angelia Hilbert 1966 Kentucky
Ginger Hudson 1960 Kansas
Jodi Huisentruit 1968 Iowa
Deborah Johnson 1952 California
Juliandra Jones 1978 California
Kimberly Kahler 1964 California
Terry Kelley 1953 California
Mary Lang 1952 Kansas
Barbara Laster 1964 Kentucky
Tina LAYTON 1971 California
Mona Lincoln 1967 California
Diana LOEWEN 1960 California
Sandra Lowe 1962 California
Carol Lubahn 1954 California
Lara Lykiardopoulos 1978 California
Elizabeth Maggard 1961 Kentucky
Kim Mallon 1960 California
Elisabeth Martinson 1960 California
Dena McHan 1962 California
Jeannine Mehlhaff 1956 California
Cindy Mellin 1950 California
Connie Minchaca 1960 California
Georgia Nolan 1946 Kentucky
Bridgett Pendell-Williamson 1973 California
Janel Peters 1960 California
Shaliegh Phillips 1975 California
Sherry Pickle 1956 California
Angela Pilkerton 1960 Kentucky
April Pitzer 1974 California
April Pitzer 1974 California
Debra Pscholka 1958 California
Susan Riedling 1967 Kentucky
Sherry Roach 1959 California
Alma Root 1965 California
Deanna Saccone 1967 California
Doris SCANDALIS 1930 California
Lucinda Schaefer 1962 California
Khymbrly SCRUGGS 1960 California
Tami Seymour 1957 California
Martha Shelton 1944 Kentucky
Kristin Smart 1977 California
Kristin Smart 1977 California
Sylvia Standley 1954 California
Kimberly Stewart 1956 California
Mary Stuart 1945 California
Patrick Sturbaum 1921 California
Carol Sullens 1972 Kansas
Kimberly Thompson 1961 Illinois
Sarah Tokier 1960 California
Barbara Tolbert 1951 California
Michelle Valadez 1975 California
Wilma Vermaas 1952 California
Margaret Warrington 1962 Kentucky
Rose West 1944 Kentucky
Rochelle White 1951 California
Jennifer Wilson 1974 California
Judy WORRELL 1957 California
Cheryl Wyant 1964 California

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647

reasypeasy
01-14-2014, 06:48 PM
I don't know how helpful it is, but I came across this Doe's dental chart while looking for something else. Didn't see it linked here already.

http://www.co.sanmateo.ca.us/vgn/images/portal/cit_609/44/48/985606627dentalchrt_06-03.pdf



5 and 12 missing with the gaps closed. Orthodontia of some sort as a child? Also lower wisdom teeth missing. So at some stage during her early adulthood there were enough funds for that.

zwiebel
01-14-2014, 07:12 PM
I was wondering if this lady had a stroke/brain injury or some facial paralysis. Her mouth really seems to be drooping down on one side.

sfbaynancydrew
01-14-2014, 09:32 PM
I am so grateful for all of the volunteers and people funding the DNA database and posting the information on individuals, non-matches, etc. As the databases and volunteers grow, so increases the possibility of these Jane and John Doe's being put to rest.

wannabeasupersleuth
01-15-2014, 08:47 PM
The mugshot of Bridget is from 1997...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/14/e9aguhez.jpg


Just saw the full rule out list....she's been ruled out...

sidneyia
01-16-2014, 03:50 PM
Kathryn LaMadrid was mentioned in this thread as resembling this Doe and I noticed she is not on the rule-out list.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Pros:
- height is within range, weight is only 10 lbs. off
- age is within range
- Jane Doe had "high quality dental work"; LaMadrid is shown with braces in one picture
- LaMadrid had a history of mental illness and had stopped taking her medication. She is also described as having possible amnesia from a head injury.
- clothing style matches - but, this might not matter since JD was homeless and likely wearing whatever she could find
- JD was found only ~3 hours from where LaMadrid went missing, a reasonable distance IMO for someone to travel, especially within a year and a half

Cons:
- no finger tattoo mentioned on JD but I'm not sure that would still be visible given the condition of her body
- no mention of glasses or contacts found with JD
- no mention of healed injuries on JD consistent with La Madrid's car accident
- eye color doesn't match ("blue/hazel" for LaMadrid vs. brown for JD)

Does this seem like it's worth pursuing as a match?

carbuff
01-17-2014, 12:55 PM
Kathryn LaMadrid was mentioned in this thread (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231706) as resembling this Doe and I noticed she is not on the rule-out list.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Pros:
- height is within range, weight is only 10 lbs. off
- age is within range
- Jane Doe had "high quality dental work"; LaMadrid is shown with braces in one picture
- LaMadrid had a history of mental illness and had stopped taking her medication. She is also described as having possible amnesia from a head injury.
- clothing style matches - but, this might not matter since JD was homeless and likely wearing whatever she could find
- JD was found only ~3 hours from where LaMadrid went missing, a reasonable distance IMO for someone to travel, especially within a year and a half

Cons:
- no finger tattoo mentioned on JD but I'm not sure that would still be visible given the condition of her body
- no mention of glasses or contacts found with JD
- no mention of healed injuries on JD consistent with La Madrid's car accident
- eye color doesn't match ("blue/hazel" for LaMadrid vs. brown for JD)

Does this seem like it's worth pursuing as a match?

The injuries don't concern me too much since it was two years before JD was found, and LaMadrid's missing report doesn't mention fractures. Everything might have healed.

Namus describes JD's dental work as "Prior orthodontic treatment" so that's a strong match with LaMadrid's obvious braces.

The possible sightings of LaMadrid in Oregon and northern California as well as Pacifica would seem to indicate she traveled around some.

The eye color is an interesting question. LaMadrid's eyes look dark in all her photos.

I put several of LaMadrid's photos side by side with the mugshot of JD. I wish there was a side or profile view of JD; it's hard to judge her nose with the lighting and slightly tilted angle the mugshot was taken from.

lcroberts9
01-18-2014, 08:27 AM
Kathryn LaMadrid was mentioned in this thread (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231706) as resembling this Doe and I noticed she is not on the rule-out list.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Pros:
- height is within range, weight is only 10 lbs. off
- age is within range
- Jane Doe had "high quality dental work"; LaMadrid is shown with braces in one picture
- LaMadrid had a history of mental illness and had stopped taking her medication. She is also described as having possible amnesia from a head injury.
- clothing style matches - but, this might not matter since JD was homeless and likely wearing whatever she could find
- JD was found only ~3 hours from where LaMadrid went missing, a reasonable distance IMO for someone to travel, especially within a year and a half

Cons:
- no finger tattoo mentioned on JD but I'm not sure that would still be visible given the condition of her body
- no mention of glasses or contacts found with JD
- no mention of healed injuries on JD consistent with La Madrid's car accident
- eye color doesn't match ("blue/hazel" for LaMadrid vs. brown for JD)

Does this seem like it's worth pursuing as a match?

I'm no expert at this but in spite of the possible eye colour discrepancy it's something about the eyes that says they look rather alike to me - possibly because of the wide-eyed stare in Kathryn's first photo (mugshot?!) on Charley Project

sidneyia
01-18-2014, 02:40 PM
I'm no expert at this but in spite of the possible eye colour discrepancy it's something about the eyes that says they look rather alike to me - possibly because of the wide-eyed stare in Kathryn's first photo (mugshot?!) on Charley Project

I agree. Kathryn also looks really banged-up in that mugshot. If it was post-car wreck, she may have already been suffering the ill effects of her head injury.

jenstar
01-20-2014, 04:51 PM
IDK if this lady has been ruled out. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/745/11/

jenstar
01-20-2014, 05:55 PM
Also https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/793/0/

'Ailina
01-21-2014, 12:20 AM
Just took a look at this thread today. Re: Lamadrid...

Lamadrid's description pointed out she commonly wore baggy men's clothes. Our unidentified woman here was found with two pairs of men's pants on.

Just throwing that in there, too.

ETA: I see the clothing style was referenced earlier in the thread after all. My apologies for redundancy.

reasypeasy
01-24-2014, 10:13 AM
I wish I could see our Doe's photo altered to how she might have looked some years before that photo when she was presumably cared for and well. The hair made clean and all brown, the flushing and acne removed, the bugging out eyes put to how they would have been while she was healthy, and possibly some of her jowls pared back just a little on the assumption they are partly due to starvation or peri-menopause.

carbuff
01-24-2014, 06:04 PM
I was wondering if this lady had a stroke/brain injury or some facial paralysis. Her mouth really seems to be drooping down on one side.

Upthread, a sleuther with medical background said she looked like she could have some kind of thyroid disease. I guess that often causes bulging eyes like that.


I wish I could see our Doe's photo altered to how she might have looked some years before that photo when she was presumably cared for and well. The hair made clean and all brown, the flushing and acne removed, the bugging out eyes put to how they would have been while she was healthy, and possibly some of her jowls pared back just a little on the assumption they are partly due to starvation or peri-menopause.

I downloaded her photo and I'll see what I can do with my art stuff tomorrow. I can't do the fancy work Carl does, but it might give us an idea.

reasypeasy
01-25-2014, 01:56 PM
Upthread, a sleuther with medical background said she looked like she could have some kind of thyroid disease. I guess that often causes bulging eyes like that.



I downloaded her photo and I'll see what I can do with my art stuff tomorrow. I can't do the fancy work Carl does, but it might give us an idea.


Thanks. I've really got no skill whatsoever with that sort of thing.

She must have looked quite quite different once.

carbuff
01-25-2014, 02:13 PM
Thanks. I've really got no skill whatsoever with that sort of thing.

She must have looked quite quite different once.

I hadn't thought of it before, but of course you're right. The way she looks right now, her family might have glanced at the photo in passing and never even recognized her.

sidneyia
05-08-2014, 02:02 PM
Sorry to be a bother, but would it be possible to request that someone else call in Kathryn Lamadrid as a possible match? I unfortunately have severe anxiety about using the phone and I can't find an email address to submit a tip, only a phone number. Thanks so much.

Love143
05-31-2014, 02:51 PM
I was just in the Lori Ruff thread and this young lady https://www.facebook.com/pages/Helen-Marie-Green-is-missing/602570379832240 is being looked at as a possible match. I immediately thought of this Jane Doe when I saw her picture.

She has a thread here as well. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233441&page=2

carbuff
05-31-2014, 04:32 PM
Okay, this took me a while, but I went through the thread and pulled out all the names we've suggested that aren't on the ruleouts list, and I've tried to indicate the current status as much as possible. I've noted the submission status where I could find one.

They're listed in the order they were suggested in this thread.


Melody Glynnell skull located 2008: http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved/resolved37.html

Erica Franolich: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/franolich_erica.html

Tracy Melton identified in 2011: http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-family-notified-months-missing-woman-remains-identified/story?id=15476554

Monica Appleton: we've suggested her several times and she's still not on the official list, though it was reported she was ruled out by Can You Identify Me? Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Pacifica - Female 593UFCA, 25-46, "No go, no eat, no drink, murder", Jun'06 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5150901&postcount=123) Same post says Suzanne Agnes Berron was ruled out.

Laura Ann Breding: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breding_laura.html

Jeanine Sanchez Harms: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/harms_jeanine.html

Elizabeth Ann Maggard:http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1666dfky.html *I think we ought to follow up more on this one since Maggard is from Kentucky and the UID might have been from there.

Jessie Foster: http://jessiefoster.blogspot.com/

Beverly Harrington: http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrington_beverly_i.html

Jennifer Casper-Ross has been suggested several times: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

Tina Wilson: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilson_tina.html

Kimberly Lilly: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lilly_kimberly.html

Patsy Baker: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baker_patsy.html

Peggy Humber: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humber_peggy.html

Mary Comiskey, found in 2013: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23689449/remains-mary-comiskey-
missing-since-2005-found

Diane Langlume: apparently found, since her Charley page has disappeared

Susan GOURLEY: http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=1208

Bonnie Rae Kelly: http://www.missingin.org/reg3005/bonnie_rae_kelly.htm
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kelly_bonnie.html

Star Palumbo: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/palumbo_star.html

Diane Schulte: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2065/61

Rebekah Miller: http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=5771208800144

Kathryn Lamadrid looks very close but I don't think she's been submitted yet:http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Sheryl Rucci: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/745/11/

Molly Dattilo: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/793/0/