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Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 06:46 PM
Here's a safe thread to post any rumors or chit-chat you may have heard regarding this case without having to supply a link for verification.

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:00 PM
Ok, rumor has picked up Peter was AM they are sayig Vicky called the police

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:02 PM
ok, rumor has picked up peter was am they are sayig vicky called the police
am???

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:03 PM
Peter Placker was picked up in connection of the murders

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:04 PM
Vicky supposedly called and turned him in this morning

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:04 PM
Everyone is talking about it in Weleetka, but it hasn't been confirmed

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:05 PM
Court house won't give out any information, people have already called

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:05 PM
Everyone is talking about it in Weleetka, but it hasn't been confirmed
You don't have to confirm what you heard, thank you for sharing!

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:06 PM
Yes, it was supposed to have all happened this morning, but we'll all waiting for more information

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:07 PM
thank you TomsGirl

Missing Sarah
08-22-2008, 07:08 PM
I hate to think he could have done ...but if he did...thank God somebody talked

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 07:09 PM
Yes thank you for posting it, and again..thank you to TG for thinking to create a thread just for hot rumors.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:10 PM
I'm wondering if perhaps he was one that received a letter about the firearm and didn't take it in for inspection???

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 07:11 PM
I hate to think he could have done ...but if he did...thank God somebody talked

Yea, but damn...what took her so long? She sounded utterly devastated on the 911 tape.
Do you think she recently found something out and called?

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:13 PM
Well, if he was taken in today, and booked we'll know about it..........just don't know when of course!

Could it have been a domestic call perhaps?

Trino
08-22-2008, 07:18 PM
It now makes more sense that the Plackers wanted to move.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:20 PM
It's going to be a very long weekend if they don't release any info. until Monday! :doh:

sheza
08-22-2008, 07:22 PM
What about all that money donated to the Placker family, wouldn't they have to return the $$ if indeed it turns out he did have something to do with it?

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:23 PM
Excellent question sheza, I was kinda thinking that myself

Trino
08-22-2008, 07:24 PM
Good question. If Vicky wasn't involved, maybe not.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:25 PM
What about all that money donated to the Placker family, wouldn't they have to return the $$ if indeed it turns out he did have something to do with it?
I don't really know sheza, but if it was given to them to do as the please I would guess it would go to Vicky if she wasn't involved.

Some of the monies have been spent for the Funeral, and I think most who donated to the fund meant it for that purpose...........at least our organization did.

Trino
08-22-2008, 07:26 PM
I would bet Vicky didn't know.

little726
08-22-2008, 07:34 PM
So...if it was Vicky, who called Peter in...would she get the reward money, also?

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:34 PM
I would bet Vicky didn't know.
I don't think she knew either.

The rumor of Peter's arrest may have nothing to do with the murders, again, we'll just have to wait and see.

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:36 PM
I don't think she knew either.

The rumor of Peter's arrest may have nothing to do with the murders, again, we'll just have to wait and see.
Very true, just because he may have been arrested doesn't mean it was for this, I guess...

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 07:43 PM
I have not cried in awhile... it just started again but this time my stomach is upset!! My poor girls...

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:48 PM
I have not cried in awhile... it just started again but this time my stomach is upset!! My poor girls...
I know what you mean, GS... I think I'm gonna pass out just considering that it MIGHT be true... :cry:

sheza
08-22-2008, 07:53 PM
I never heard of an arrest yet.. Just Vickie went to LE's and told of her husbands involvement and her suspensions of abuse. (see rumors growing into sexual abuse now)

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 07:53 PM
I know what you mean, GS... I think I'm gonna pass out just considering that it MIGHT be true... :cry:
LOL, I'm expecting some appliances to be delivered at any time, I'll probably jump 2 feet when the door bell rings................

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 07:54 PM
(see rumors growing into sexual abuse now)

...oh...my...word...

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 07:58 PM
I have not cried in awhile... it just started again but this time my stomach is upset!! My poor girls...

OMG! I have been on vacation for a week and just now have read the rumor. To say I am stunned and dismayed is an understatement.

What in the world would have been his motive? From the autopsy it stated neither girl was molested and seem to infer that they had not even had any sexual encounters before their deaths.

I just cant believe this would lay silent if he was taken in this morning. If we know the rumor then the media is on it too and would be breaking their necks getting to the courthouse to confirm it.

So I don't know what to believe. It seems so surreal and I cant understand why he would do something like this and if it was him where in the world did he hide the weapons?

It is just so confusing.

imo

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:00 PM
OMG! I have been on vacation for a week and just now have read the rumor. To say I am stunned and dismayed is an understatement.

What in the world would have been his motive? From the autopsy it stated neither girl was molested and seem to infer that they had not even had any sexual encounters before their deaths.

I just cant believe this would lay silent if he was taken in this morning. If we know the rumor then the media is on it too and would be breaking their necks getting to the courthouse to confirm it.

So I don't know what to believe. It seems so surreal and I cant understand why he would do something like this and if it was him where in the world did he hide the weapons?

It is just so confusing.
We have to keep in mind, this is just a rumor at this point!

sheza
08-22-2008, 08:02 PM
Casino's-Gambling is not how most grieve. Both Placker's and Whitaker's have been doing a lot.

All locals talk about this.
Guess I'd feel better calling this a rumor.

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 08:03 PM
We have to keep in mind, this is just a rumor at this point!

That is true, TG!

For the sake of the girls I hope with all my heart this rumor is not true.

It just seems to me OSBI would have picked up on that long before now if true.

imoo

sheza
08-22-2008, 08:06 PM
I will tell other locals about the new rumor page so they will post also.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:10 PM
Casino's-Gambling is not how most grieve. Both Placker's and Whitaker's have been doing a lot.

All locals talk about this.
Guess I'd feel better calling this a rumor.
It that rumor is true it makes me kinda want to gag thinking they may be using monies well meaning people sent them out of sympathy for their cause knowing they had little :(

sheza
08-22-2008, 08:15 PM
All families of murdered children are put under a magnifying glass...sad but sometimes I guess it's necessary.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:18 PM
All families of murdered children are put under a magnifying glass...sad but sometimes I guess it's necessary.
True, and not just the families of children murdered, but anyone in the family who's been murdered and the case is still open.

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 08:19 PM
If that is fact.. They meaning family members will have to go underground. JMO.

Poor Tg don't jump out of your skin.... Hey isn't it exciting getting something new... I finally got a side by side with water & crushed ice last week. I am a Queen now LOL Only waited 20 some odd years......

sheza
08-22-2008, 08:27 PM
It that rumor is true it makes me kinda want to gag thinking they may be using monies well meaning people sent them out of sympathy for their cause knowing they had little :(

ME to TG.. All of us..
Sometimes I feel like posting a picture of this happening.
If indeed it turns out the families are all cleared, Peter is cleared,
wouldn't it be great if both families would give some donated money to the reward fund.
I would like to see this happen. Locals needs to see this happen.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:31 PM
ME to TG.. All of us..
Sometimes I feel like posting a picture of this happening.
If indeed it turns out the families are all cleared, Peter is cleared,
wouldn't it be great if both families would give some donated money to the reward fund.
I would like to see this happen. Locals needs to see this happen.
Yes, I had said that a long way back in one of my posts asking why the family hadn't given monies toward the Reward.

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 08:31 PM
ok..so now we have two different rumors. One, Vicki went to the police and Peter was arrested, the second one is she went because she suspects he did it to cover for abuse but no word of an arrest.

Maybe they brought him in for questioning again (assuming they questioned him earlier on), but they have not arrested him at this point. Possible, right?

Oh...I just hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think Peter Placker had anything to do with this.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:37 PM
ok..so now we have two different rumors. One, Vicki went to the police and Peter was arrested, the second one is she went because she suspects he did it to cover for abuse but no word of an arrest.

Maybe they brought him in for questioning again (assuming they questioned him earlier on), but they have not arrested him at this point. Possible, right?

Oh...I just hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think Peter Placker had anything to do with this.
Rumors being what they are, they can morph evelyn.

This may well end up being something we may never hear of in the general Media unless that Melissa Heminover does another report.

sheza
08-22-2008, 08:38 PM
ok..so now we have two different rumors. One, Vicki went to the police and Peter was arrested, the second one is she went because she suspects he did it to cover for abuse but no word of an arrest.

Maybe they brought him in for questioning again (assuming they questioned him earlier on), but they have not arrested him at this point. Possible, right?

Oh...I just hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think Peter Placker had anything to do with this.

2nd one- Evelyn is the main rumor.

CASuzk
08-22-2008, 08:39 PM
OMG! I have been on vacation for a week and just now have read the rumor. To say I am stunned and dismayed is an understatement.

What in the world would have been his motive? From the autopsy it stated neither girl was molested and seem to infer that they had not even had any sexual encounters before their deaths.

I just cant believe this would lay silent if he was taken in this morning. If we know the rumor then the media is on it too and would be breaking their necks getting to the courthouse to confirm it.

So I don't know what to believe. It seems so surreal and I cant understand why he would do something like this and if it was him where in the world did he hide the weapons?

It is just so confusing.

imo

Sadly, it may be true, not all sexual abuse involves something that would leave evidence.

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 08:40 PM
All families of murdered children are put under a magnifying glass...sad but sometimes I guess it's necessary.
You're right about that, sheza... Often some of the first people LE tries to rule out...

Invisible
08-22-2008, 08:49 PM
I have been following this story so long that I don't remember, but didn't Peter pass a poly or did I just dream that?

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 08:54 PM
2nd one- Evelyn is the main rumor.

Thanks. So nothing about an arrest, just Vicki going to LE, because she became suspicious of Peter Placker.

I guess we'll see how this unfolds.

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 08:54 PM
Oh...I just hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think Peter Placker had anything to do with this.
Me too, evelyn... After Peter found the girls, I'm having a hard time believing he would have had time to return home to stash the weapons before LE arrived on the scene (I assume within minutes). I wouldn't think he would attempt to hide them on himself, or worse yet, toss them in the woods... I dunno. My thoughts and emotions are running a mile a minute at this point; everything in my brain is like a bowl of alphabet soup with Greek letters. Pieces of the thoughts are there, but are so out of order they make no sense. Sorry for the incoherence :)

Cheers

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Me too, evelyn... After Peter found the girls, I'm having a hard time believing he would have had time to return home to stash the weapons before LE arrived on the scene (I assume within minutes). I wouldn't think he would attempt to hide them on himself, or worse yet, toss them in the woods... I dunno. My thoughts and emotions are running a mile a minute at this point; [quote]everything in my brain is like a bowl of alphabet soup with Greek letters. Pieces of the thoughts are there, but are so out of order they make no sense.
I like that analogy :)

Trino
08-22-2008, 08:58 PM
Topix seems to be doubting this rumor, so don't get too excited.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 09:01 PM
Topix seems to be doubting this rumor, so don't get too excited.
Yeah, have to laugh at the turn around there by one who came up with this scenerio to begin with :rolleyes:

Beyond Belief
08-22-2008, 09:02 PM
If there's an old well or septic tank on any of that property it would be very easy to dispose of two guns very quickly.

I want to add: I don't want Mr Placker to be the guilty party so I hope this is just irresponsible rumours.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 09:04 PM
If there's an old well or septic tank on any of that property it would be very easy to dispose of two guns very quickly.
Hiya BB, yeah or in the river somewhere!

YellowDog
08-22-2008, 09:05 PM
Did the autopsy reports say that pregnancy tests were done?

Beyond Belief
08-22-2008, 09:06 PM
[quote=Tom'sGirl;2541464]Hiya BB, yeah or in the river somewhere![/q

Hi TG:)

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 09:06 PM
Topix seems to be doubting this rumor, so don't get too excited.
*sigh* you're right, Trino, I may end up giving myself a stroke for no reason. After so long with nothing but paltry little tidbits of information here and there, it's easy (at least for me) to grab onto the first nugget of info that sounds halfway feasible and run with it... I guess we'll just have to wait and see. :)

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 09:07 PM
Wouldn't there be gun powder on his hands? I'm sure LE had to check considering he found the girls.
Then again, the rumor as I heard it was Vicki thinks PP was involved or knows who did it.
Could be someone else did it and Peter knows about it, but he won't say because of something illegal on his part is the cause of the murders?
IDK! Ugh. I just hope it's not true.

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 09:10 PM
If there's an old well or septic tank on any of that property it would be very easy to dispose of two guns very quickly.

I want to add: I don't want Mr Placker to be the guilty party so I hope this is just irresponsible rumours.
Good point, BB... I live in the city so I didn't even consider that. Thanks

YellowDog
08-22-2008, 09:12 PM
Maybe they took Peter in for more questioning because they got wind of some drug connections he had.

sheza
08-22-2008, 09:16 PM
Yeah, have to laugh at the turn around there by one who came up with this scenerio to begin with :rolleyes:

Are you talkng about me?
I made a big mistake in posting on Topix, it would have been taken from here to there anyway.
I get kinda pushed into some of my post, a lot of locals just read only and call me to post something. Untill now I really haven't posted much...see what I get, I guess I deserve it.
Going to go hide now. (just kidd'n) bye for now.
"taking on a life of it's own now">Shutterfly

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 09:17 PM
Are you talkng about me?
I made a big mistake in posting on Topix, it would have been taken from here to there anyway.
I get kinda pushed into some of my post, a lot of locals just read only and call me to post something. Untill now I really haven't posted much...see what I get, I guess I deserve it.
Going to go hide now. (just kidd'n) bye for now.
"taking on a life of it's own now">Shutterfly
NO, NO, NO definately not you girl!

sheza
08-22-2008, 09:21 PM
If there's an old well or septic tank on any of that property it would be very easy to dispose of two guns very quickly.

I want to add: I don't want Mr Placker to be the guilty party so I hope this is just irresponsible rumours.


I feel the same, I don't want him to be the quility of this.

Yes lot's of old well's-old homesteads, ponds. Surely they have been checked.

sheza
08-22-2008, 09:22 PM
NO, NO, NO definately not you girl!


OH OK...Thanks : )

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 09:27 PM
Well..ummm....wouldn't PP have gun powder on his hands and possibly elsewhere on his person, considering that he was the first one on the scene and "knew that the girls were dead?" He must have had his hands on them. When he found them, or "took credit" for finding them(whichever happened), he successfully rendered any forensic connection between he and the girls useless.....didn't he???

KeyboardPlayer
08-22-2008, 09:30 PM
Well..ummm....wouldn't PP have gun powder on his hands and possibly elsewhere on his person, considering that he was the first one on the scene and "knew that the girls were dead?" He must have had his hands on them. When he found them, or "took credit" for finding them(whichever happened), he successfully rendered any forensic connection between he and the girls useless.....didn't he???
Another interesting point. That's why I love this board. :)

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 09:34 PM
Maybe they took Peter in for more questioning because they got wind of some drug connections he had.
All the above Bingo YD.. or he knows why!! I really tend to lean this way.. remember the statement someone said they killed the girls. Was that ever found out to a statment or was it also hearsay?

sheza
08-22-2008, 09:38 PM
What if Peter went to pick Vickie up from work or someplace, thought someone else would driveby and find them, went to check, so he found them and had Vickie call 911?
Picked out some truck on the road told Uncle Mo about the POI then Uncle Mo repeats it.
Who Knows!!

tapu
08-22-2008, 09:38 PM
Say, is the only available pic of Peter Placker the one with him, Vicky, and Taylor together?

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 09:41 PM
Anyone familiar with a Glock .40? I think that's standard issue for a lot of "cop agencies" these days. People who dislike cops but like the power they perceive that cops have, have a tendency to immitate cops...IE: buy the guns cops prefer, try to be intimidating, think they're bad @sses with guns. Anyone look lately at what's written on the hat we've been looking at on PP's head for two months? In the picture of he and Vicky, where he has his arm around Taylor?

I'll save you the trouble..it says "Narcotics Officer"

And I'm Santa Claus.

OOPS..I forgot.....IMO

sheza
08-22-2008, 09:48 PM
How do you go about looking for motive when checking out the families.

JanPat
08-22-2008, 09:48 PM
Well..ummm....wouldn't PP have gun powder on his hands and possibly elsewhere on his person, considering that he was the first one on the scene and "knew that the girls were dead?" He must have had his hands on them. When he found them, or "took credit" for finding them(whichever happened), he successfully rendered any forensic connection between he and the girls useless.....didn't he???

Good thought. I can't stand the thought that it might be Peter, but I'm vaguely reminded of a Christmas tree, a Colorado Avalance blanket, and Patsy trying to raise JonBenet from the dead like Lazarus!

sheza
08-22-2008, 09:50 PM
Anyone familiar with a Glock .40? I think that's standard issue for a lot of "cop agencies" these days. People who dislike cops but like the power they perceive that cops have, have a tendency to immitate cops...IE: buy the guns cops prefer, try to be intimidating, think they're bad @sses with guns. Anyone look lately at what's written on the hat we've been looking at on PP's head for two months? In the picture of he and Vicky, where he has his arm around Taylor?

I'll save you the trouble..it says "Narcotics Officer"

And I'm Santa Claus.

OOPS..I forgot.....IMO

I saw that! Narcotics something?

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 09:51 PM
Well..ummm....wouldn't PP have gun powder on his hands and possibly elsewhere on his person, considering that he was the first one on the scene and "knew that the girls were dead?" He must have had his hands on them. When he found them, or "took credit" for finding them(whichever happened), he successfully rendered any forensic connection between he and the girls useless.....didn't he???

Yes, if he fired the 40 caliber weapon, which is a large caliber weapon he would definitely have gun power residue on his hands. Also we have to consider if this rumor is remotely true he also fired another smaller caliber weapon. There was a total of 12 to 13 shots fired and that would leave a lot of gun power residue on not only his hand and arm but possibly the clothing he was wearing.

If he was the shooter then he would have gun powder residue. The girls however would not necessarily have to have gun power residue on them unless the shot fired was at close range from 6 inches to possibly one foot away etc. Then there would be stippling and iirc one of the shots did show sooting.

No I do not think him finding them compromised the evidence of what was found at the scene. Like all LE they would have PP very quickly walk them through exactly what he did when he discovered the bodies. If he told them that he did not touch their bodies but only reached for the cell phone then the evidence will support his story. If it did not support his story then he would have long ago been ruled in as a POI and we have heard OSBI state they do not believe that any of the family members are involved.

Personally, I think this may be just another rumor. I don't think this could remain hush hush and would have been known now by the media.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 09:59 PM
Anyone familiar with a Glock .40? I think that's standard issue for a lot of "cop agencies" these days. People who dislike cops but like the power they perceive that cops have, have a tendency to immitate cops...IE: buy the guns cops prefer, try to be intimidating, think they're bad @sses with guns. Anyone look lately at what's written on the hat we've been looking at on PP's head for two months? In the picture of he and Vicky, where he has his arm around Taylor?

I'll save you the trouble..it says "Narcotics Officer"

And I'm Santa Claus.

OOPS..I forgot.....IMO

Yes, it is almost standard issue now. Not many years ago most cops carried 38s and were out powered by the thugs who carried larger caliber weapons. A 38 was no match for what the criminals were using so finally the Glock type weapon was merged into most police forces.

I don't see anything wrong with the cap. I see people wearing the caps and the t-shirts too. They aren't against the law to have. I see them sold in convenient stores and other outlets. I see the ones that have SWAT team emblazoned on them too.

imoo

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 10:01 PM
Say, is the only available pic of Peter Placker the one with him, Vicky, and Taylor together?


Peter during interview
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2319849&postcount=2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2319849&postcount=2)
and here with Vicky at Graham School
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465076&postcount=24 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465076&postcount=24)

GetSmart
08-22-2008, 10:02 PM
I am still thinking if this is true... Maybe Vicky was told by someone else that Peter knew more than he was saying & she could take it anymore & went to LE with that info.

RiverRat
08-22-2008, 10:03 PM
Good thought. I can't stand the thought that it might be Peter, but I'm vaguely reminded of a Christmas tree, a Colorado Avalance blanket, and Patsy trying to raise JonBenet from the dead like Lazarus!

Me too.........just not so vaguely.

tapu
08-22-2008, 10:19 PM
Peter during interview
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2319849&postcount=2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2319849&postcount=2)
and here with Vicky at Graham School
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465076&postcount=24 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2465076&postcount=24)



Thanks, T-girl. Clearly photos of him are hard to come by, though.... Only the one of him in the Narc Officer cap comes up at Google Images.

Speaking of that cap, I'd have to say that I would assume anyone wearing it was into drugs one way or another. JMO.

sheza
08-22-2008, 10:24 PM
When Placker's first moved here, they rented a house abt a mile and a half straight south of the crime scene, then moved to this rent house (300 yrd from crime scene) abt a year ago.
So they leave OKC move to Weleetka to a house that had never been a rent house before, owned by ? that was being foreclosed on ( no one around here knew at that time the owner would sell or rent it out) Lot's of area people renting in town would loved to find a nice rent house in the country.
Placker's lived there 2 years, this house was finally foreclosed on and they had to move,
they moved into the Chancey rent house.
Must be a connection with the first house owner & Plackers?

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 10:24 PM
If one shred of this IS true, I'm certainly not implying that PP gunned down those children...nuh uh, just don't buy that. Just can't wrap my head around that. PP may be a rough old boy, a drug addict, a drunk or whatever, I don't judge people that way...and IMO PP has kind eyes. And if he wears that hat cuz he thinks it makes him look cool then that's okay by me. Now that I look over what I myself wrote, I just wanted to clear that up. I DO think it's highly likely that, based on what I said before, he 'could' own a Glock .40. That's all.
And if there WAS more to this than PP walking up on these children,if anything, I believe he is guilty of helping to conceal the identity of the person who did this, nothing more. If that were the case I believe the girls were already gone. Obviously that's not right either, but I wasn't in his shoes, I didn't see or experience what he did. And I'm sure it was a first for him as well.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 10:36 PM
Thanks, T-girl. Clearly photos of him are hard to come by, though.... Only the one of him in the Narc Officer cap comes up at Google Images.

Speaking of that cap, I'd have to say that I would assume anyone wearing it was into drugs one way or another. JMO.
Actually his photo was in the June 30th edition of People Magazine. He also has been on several interviews.

As for the cap, we discussed that way, way back. They're a novelty and not uncommon http://boomboomcycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/stg-la110452.html

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 10:44 PM
When Placker's first moved here, they rented a house abt a mile and a half straight south of the crime scene, then moved to this rent house (300 yrd from crime scene) abt a year ago.
So they leave OKC move to Weleetka to a house that had never been a rent house before, owned by ? that was being foreclosed on ( no one around here knew at that time the owner would sell or rent it out) Lot's of area people renting in town would loved to find a nice rent house in the country.
Placker's lived there 2 years, this house was finally foreclosed on and they had to move,
they moved into the Chancey rent house.
Must be a connection with the first house owner & Plackers?

Well shez, it's hard to tell. The Plackers did have relatives in Weleetka...or nearby, so one of them may have known the owners. I tend to think that the Plackers "discovered" Weleetka because they had family there. I think that's what usually happens.
Don't know how it works out there, but if there is an empty house here in SC, all we have to do is call the accessors office, give them the address, and they give you the owners name and address. Maybe it's possible one of the Plackers relatives did something similar because the house was empty and they knew the Plackers were house hunting?

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 10:55 PM
If one shred of this IS true, I'm certainly not implying that PP gunned down those children...nuh uh, just don't buy that. Just can't wrap my head around that. PP may be a rough old boy, a drug addict, a drunk or whatever, I don't judge people that way...and IMO PP has kind eyes. And if he wears that hat cuz he thinks it makes him look cool then that's okay by me. Now that I look over what I myself wrote, I just wanted to clear that up. I DO think it's highly likely that, based on what I said before, he 'could' own a Glock .40. That's all.
And if there WAS more to this than PP walking up on these children,if anything, I believe he is guilty of helping to conceal the identity of the person who did this, nothing more. If that were the case I believe the girls were already gone. Obviously that's not right either, but I wasn't in his shoes, I didn't see or experience what he did. And I'm sure it was a first for him as well.

Didn't OSBI Agent Brown say that many people had been polygraphed? I know the neighboring Sheriff said his offices had been used for polygraphs and interviews.

Since LE always starts with those close to the victim(s) it seems very reasonable imo that PP would have been one of the very first ones to be polygraphed and interviewed. OSBI said they have ruled out over a 100 people. When a poly is given the examiner not only ask questions if they are involved themselves, they are also asked if they know of anyone who did this crime.

Personally I think PP passed all questions with flying colors and doesn't have a clue who murdered his daughter/granddaughter and her best friend and that is why the OSBI has stated that they do not believe the families are involved.

He has to own not only the Glock but the other weapon. I believe there would be people that would know if he owned these weapons.

I am very puzzled now that I have learned that one of the weapons was a Glock 40. With that power the other smaller caliber certainly wouldn't have been necessary to have to end these girls lives. The Glock would be lethal if used alone. I believe as OSBI believes that there was two shooters rather than one.

imoo

Shutterfly
08-22-2008, 11:00 PM
Didn't OSBI Agent Brown say that many people had been polygraphed? I know the neighboring Sheriff said his offices had been used for polygraphs and interviews.

Since LE always starts with those close to the victim(s) it seems very reasonable imo that PP would have been one of the very first ones to be polygraphed and interviewed. OSBI said they have ruled out over a 100 people. When a poly is given the examiner not only ask questions if they are involved themselves, they are also asked if they know of anyone who did this crime.

Personally I think PP passed all questions with flying colors and doesn't have a clue who murdered his daughter/granddaughter and her best friend and that is why the OSBI has stated that they do not believe the families are involved.

He has to own not only the Glock but the other weapon. I believe there would be people that would know if he owned these weapons.

I am very puzzled now that I have learned that one of the weapons was a Glock 40. With that power the other smaller caliber certainly wouldn't have been necessary to have to end these girls lives. The Glock would be lethal if used alone. I believe as OSBI believes that there was two shooters rather than one.

imoo

You're abslutely right about that Glock. Massive stopping power. It stuck me odd too because my brother's boss just three days ago bought a Glock .40, model 22 I think. He brought that thing over here and before I could catch them they were in my yard shooting trees. The damage that thing can do is remarkable...and it certainly doesn't need a 'helper' gun.

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 11:11 PM
Didn't OSBI Agent Brown say that many people had been polygraphed? I know the neighboring Sheriff said his offices had been used for polygraphs and interviews.

Since LE always starts with those close to the victim(s) it seems very reasonable imo that PP would have been one of the very first ones to be polygraphed and interviewed. OSBI said they have ruled out over a 100 people. When a poly is given the examiner not only ask questions if they are involved themselves, they are also asked if they know of anyone who did this crime.

Personally I think PP passed all questions with flying colors and doesn't have a clue who murdered his daughter/granddaughter and her best friend and that is why the OSBI has stated that they do not believe the families are involved.

He has to own not only the Glock but the other weapon. I believe there would be people that would know if he owned these weapons.

I am very puzzled now that I have learned that one of the weapons was a Glock 40. With that power the other smaller caliber certainly wouldn't have been necessary to have to end these girls lives. The Glock would be lethal if used alone. I believe as OSBI believes that there was two shooters rather than one.

imoo

Hello~
I had also thought about the polygraphs and the fact that I am sure LE had probably given the family the tests. I am wondering if Peter Placker passed the original test and later find out incriminating evidence. If given a poly now, perhaps he would not be able to pass ???

tapu
08-22-2008, 11:12 PM
Actually his photo was in the June 30th edition of People Magazine. He also has been on several interviews.

As for the cap, we discussed that way, way back. They're a novelty and not uncommon http://boomboomcycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/stg-la110452.html



Huh. Well... novelty or not, what's the joke if you're not into drugs?

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 11:15 PM
Hello~
I had also thought about the polygraphs and the fact that I am sure LE had probably given the family the tests. I am wondering if Peter Placker passed the original test and later find out incriminating evidence. If given a poly now, perhaps he would not be able to pass ???

You mean like someone telling him later on who did this?

I don't know but I cant see him withholding any information that would protect the very one or ones that murdered his own and her little friend.

imoo

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 11:18 PM
You mean like someone telling him later on who did this?

I don't know but I cant see him withholding any information that would protect the very one or ones that murdered his own and her little friend.

imoo

Yes, that is what I was wondering. What if the person that he had received info. on was another member of his family? It is difficult for me to understand, but then again, this whole case has been difficult to understand.

oceanblueeyes
08-22-2008, 11:23 PM
Yes, that is what I was wondering. What if the person that he had received info. on was another member of his family? It is difficult for me to understand, but then again, this whole case has been difficult to understand.

But Ruff, this isn't a family squabble imo. This is double murder. I just have to believe none of these families would protect anyone that has done this..not even their kin.

imoo

Ruflossn
08-22-2008, 11:26 PM
But Ruff, this isn't a family squabble imo. This is double murder. I just have to believe none of these families would protect anyone that has done this..not even their kin.

imoo

I hope you are right. I can not imagine anything more painful for the family to have to endure. First losing a beloved child and then to find out someone in the family had a part in it............. devastating to say the least.

Has it even been confirmed if Peter Placker has been taken to jail? Whether in custody or just to be interviewed?

sheza
08-22-2008, 11:36 PM
Can't stand it any longer! I'm going to the Creek nation casino in Okemah or out to Thlopthlocco casino to find out what going on, at least one of the Placker's or Whitaker's should be there, I'll ask'em.
I will get to move to the fact room soon. :)

Fairy1
08-22-2008, 11:38 PM
Can't stand it any longer! I'm going to the Creek nation casino in Okemah or out to Thlopthlocco casino to find out what going on, at least one of the Placker's or Whitaker's should be there, I'll ask'em.
I will get to move to the fact room soon. :)


You GO Girl!!! I value any input from the locals. With such a HUGE lack of media coverage, you're all we have!!!

evelyn24
08-22-2008, 11:38 PM
Thank you, sheza.

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 11:44 PM
Can't stand it any longer! I'm going to the Creek nation casino in Okemah or out to Thlopthlocco casino to find out what going on, at least one of the Placker's or Whitaker's should be there, I'll ask'em.
I will get to move to the fact room soon. :)
Oh goodie..........we need to know!
:Banane45:

Claycat
08-22-2008, 11:53 PM
Oh goodie..........we need to know!
:Banane45:


I couldn't stay away. I had to drop in for just a minute! TG, you have me laughing my *** off!

Tom'sGirl
08-22-2008, 11:56 PM
I couldn't stay away. I had to drop in for just a minute! TG, you have me laughing my *** off!
I guess I let my excitement get away from me :blushingsmiley:

sheza
08-22-2008, 11:56 PM
You GO Girl!!! I value any input from the locals. With such a HUGE lack of media coverage, you're all we have!!!

Load-up and go with me, it will take a while everyone you sit-down-by
Will have a story to tell.
We can leave when 3 answers match.

Fairy1
08-23-2008, 12:01 AM
Load-up and go with me, it will take a while everyone you sit-down-by
Will have a story to tell.
We can leave when 3 answers match.

Wish I could!!! But I'm in Vegas and just got back yesterday from a 26 hour drive. I'm pooped - but I will stand by you in spirit!

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 12:01 AM
Load-up and go with me, it will take a while everyone you sit-down-by
Will have a story to tell.
We can leave when 3 answers match.
Be sure and ask the one's who look the drunkest! <---------------is that a word?

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:03 AM
Just made a call 5 good source's at the casino, 3 court house employee's an LE's wife and a dispatcher.
(report back soon)

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:07 AM
Be sure and ask the one's who look the drunkest! <---------------is that a word?

after 2:00 am good idea (if the drunks & drugs make it through the road blocks) Hope so!

evelyn24
08-23-2008, 12:08 AM
You go, sheza!! How long will it be before you report back, because I'm in for the night doing work from home for Monday's meeting.
I'll stay up if you give me a time range.

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:11 AM
Wish I could!!! But I'm in Vegas and just got back yesterday from a 26 hour drive. I'm pooped - but I will stand by you in spirit!


Can you imagine walking into a Vegas casino and knowing every person in there?

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:16 AM
You go, sheza!! How long will it be before you report back, because I'm in for the night doing work from home for Monday's meeting.
I'll stay up if you give me a time range.

TG think's after 2:00am. :)

Fairy1
08-23-2008, 12:28 AM
Can you imagine walking into a Vegas casino and knowing every person in there?

It's a bit different, I'm sure. But I am in the biz and it's not too completely out of the realm of reality! We have our ways of knowing who is there and when and what they're playing.....:D

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 12:40 AM
This is a whole new ditty for me... I L...U...V... you guys.

Fairy1
08-23-2008, 12:52 AM
Tom's Girl for starting this thread. I put a LOT of stock into the locals points of view on this case in particular. I know we need to be mindful of fact versus rumor, but in this case, I put equal value on both!

SeriouslySearching
08-23-2008, 02:18 AM
Wow! Now that is some rumor!! It will be interesting to hear more about what actually happened, if anything.

Good thread, TG. Always thinking...you are so smart. :)

RoseRed
08-23-2008, 03:08 AM
Sheza are you back yet? It is after two already.

poco
08-23-2008, 04:23 AM
Sheza are you back yet? It is after two already.

Something to do while we are waiting for Sheza to report back.....


Click on the ball - it will change colors if you get it.
http://mazzanet.id.au/ball.php

ArizonaGiGi
08-23-2008, 05:13 AM
Something to do while we are waiting for Sheza to report back.....


Click on the ball - it will change colors if you get it.
http://mazzanet.id.au/ball.php

Ok. I finally got it to turn brownish. Sheza still not back.

evelyn24
08-23-2008, 05:26 AM
Where is she? Hope she's ok. Seriously.

poco
08-23-2008, 06:10 AM
Where is she? Hope she's ok. Seriously.

She's probably sitting there playing the penny slots while we are all sitting here waiting, wondering and worrying.............

ArizonaGiGi
08-23-2008, 06:16 AM
She's probably sitting there playing the penny slots while we are all sitting here waiting, wondering and worrying.............

Hi Poco, it's me n you here.
I sent her a msg about an hour ago. I hope she is ok too. It's not like her to not come right back and post. But then again, maybe she's winning big on the slots! lol

poco
08-23-2008, 06:55 AM
Hi Poco, it's me n you here.
I sent her a msg about an hour ago. I hope she is ok too. It's not like her to not come right back and post. But then again, maybe she's winning big on the slots! lol

Yep, I'm still here. She should have taken your phone# or given you hers or something. Do we get to slap her if she is okay?

noZme
08-23-2008, 08:01 AM
good morning, especially poco ....dearie, i nominate you for sleuther of the week ... hangin in there waiting for sheza to report back!!!!

mercifully(so i could get some sleep), we lost internet connection about 2, while i was catching up here. i wrote a post which wouldn't send & realized i was disconnected... we have been under the influence of the tropical storm since about noon yesterday, there are areas without power, so i suppose something happened up the line that knocked out my service.

anyway, my 1st thought when i read of this story was pa or someone in the house had been inappropriate with one of the girls & had to silence them. after i saw family members being interviewed, i discounted that 1st impression.... as much as i want to see the case wrapped up, i hope this is not the answer.

where is sheza?!?!?

OT again.... poco, the bolo ball is addictive. have you made snowflakes?
http://popularfront.com/snowdays/ (http://popularfront.com/snowdays/)

poco
08-23-2008, 08:09 AM
good morning, especially poco ....dearie, i nominate you for sleuther of the week ... hangin in there waiting for sheza to report back!!!!

mercifully(so i could get some sleep), we lost internet connection about 2, while i was catching up here. i wrote a post which wouldn't send & realized i was disconnected... we have been under the influence of the tropical storm since about noon yesterday, there are areas without power, so i suppose something happened up the line that knocked out my service.

anyway, my 1st thought when i read of this story was pa or someone in the house had been inappropriate with one of the girls & had to silence them. after i saw family members being interviewed, i discounted that 1st impression.... as much as i want to see the case wrapped up, i hope this is not the answer.

where is sheza?!?!?

OT again.... poco, the bolo ball is addictive. have you made snowflakes?
http://popularfront.com/snowdays/ (http://popularfront.com/snowdays/)

Maybe we are going to have to send somewhat out after her, lol.

poco
08-23-2008, 08:26 AM
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p511

tapu
08-23-2008, 09:03 AM
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p511

Gee... they seem to really have... uh, fun... over there....

Is it ever about the topic, or is it just about each other?



So... where's our Sheza? :smile:

Nothing in the news today....

CMorrison64
08-23-2008, 09:45 AM
I miss a whole day of reading WS and come back to this ... WOW, has anyone heard anything else? Sitting on pins and needles.

Ann Fan
08-23-2008, 10:31 AM
Has anyone spoken to Sheza so we know she is alright? Maybe she was out late and is just sleeping in. I hope she hit the jackpot in more ways than one. I am on pins and needles too!!!!!!

Ann Fan
08-23-2008, 10:37 AM
I just wrote something and it didn't post - I am wondering if anyone has spoken to Sheza so that we know she is ok? I hope she is just sleeping in after she hit the jackpot. Jackpot of information as well as $$.

Shutterfly
08-23-2008, 11:15 AM
Okay...she's still not back. When do we "officially" start to freak?

RiverRat
08-23-2008, 11:17 AM
This is soooooooooo not cool. :confused:

CMorrison64
08-23-2008, 11:25 AM
Does anyone know her in real life or have her phone number or anything? I hope she's ok!!

sheza
08-23-2008, 11:38 AM
So far I've been told Vickie is a wreck, needs counselling, Peter has not been arrested,
but he was asked to come in and speak to the LE's (to address Vickie's concern's ?), Vickie has had issue's with two other family members all concerning the murders.
Placker's did move but Vickie feels she can't leave Taylor & Skyla alone, so she can't seem to completely move away. (understandable).

CMorrison64
08-23-2008, 11:42 AM
Glad you're okay Sheza!!! You had us worried.

Let's hope more comes out over the next week. I keep praying justice is served for those sweet girls.

poco
08-23-2008, 11:45 AM
Glad you're okay Sheza!!! You had us worried.

Let's hope more comes out over the next week. I keep praying justice is served for those sweet girls.

Geez Shez - I've been waiting for you since about 5 a.m. EST.... Glad you are okay.

sheza
08-23-2008, 11:46 AM
It was also said Vickie has been calling LE's a lot reporting seeing men in the woods and hearing gun shots..so sad.

sheza
08-23-2008, 11:49 AM
Sorry, rural Oklahoma here computer connections and cell phones don't always have service around here.

poco
08-23-2008, 11:49 AM
It was also said Vickie has been calling LE's a lot reporting seeing men in the woods and hearing gun shots..so sad.

The poor woman probably jumps 10 feet at the sound of a creaking rocking chair!!!

I do wish you had had more news to report.................. keep up the good work!

Claycat
08-23-2008, 11:50 AM
So far I've been told Vickie is a wreck, needs counselling, Peter has not been arrested,
but he was asked to come in and speak to the LE's (to address Vickie's concern's ?), Vickie has had issue's with two other family members all concerning the murders.
Placker's did move but Vickie feels she can't leave Taylor & Skyla alone, so she can't seem to completely move away. (understandable).

Bless her! I have no doubt I would be in that shape or worse. It has been so upsetting to me! How many times worse for her!

Shutterfly
08-23-2008, 11:53 AM
THERE YOU ARE!!!! D@MN, don't DO that again!!!

Poor Vicky. I'm just speechless after reading that. What a nightmare. I hope and pray that she somehow manages to find her way through this.

Mysterylover
08-23-2008, 12:04 PM
So far I've been told Vickie is a wreck, needs counseling, Peter has not been arrested,
but he was asked to come in and speak to the LE's (to address Vickie's concern's ?)
Vickie has had issue's with two other family members all concerning the murders.

Placker's did move but Vickie feels she can't leave Taylor & Skyla alone, so she can't seem to completely move away. (understandable)....

This whole story is so very sad and understandably V. is close to a breakdown.
How much more can this poor woman take, not knowing who brutally murdered her beloved child?

The pain she's going through of 'not knowing' has to be indescribable.

Somebody knows 'something' and they need to start talking and put an end to this torture Vicky is going through...moo

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 12:09 PM
It was also said Vickie has been calling LE's a lot reporting seeing men in the woods and hearing gun shots..so sad.

This poor woman is coming apart at the seams. I certainly hope she is getting therapy. Imo, she will never overcome this totally but maybe if the killer or killers are caught she can have some type of peace in her heart. I feel so sorry for all of these family members that cannot wake up from the true nightmare they all have experienced.

imo

CMorrison64
08-23-2008, 12:15 PM
IMO Anyone that knows something and has kept this from LE, deserves to be as equally punished, putting the family thru this hell when they knew something to me is just as bad as the actual deed. God Bless the family members that are suffering. I hope V is getting some counseling.

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:26 PM
THERE YOU ARE!!!! D@MN, don't DO that again!!!

Poor Vicky. I'm just speechless after reading that. What a nightmare. I hope and pray that she somehow manages to find her way through this.

I also asked about the Whitaker family I was told Rose yells all the time, and ever since the OSBI/LE's questioned Skyla's little sister Jayme (for 2 hours
ALONE) she hasn't been the same.

CMorrison64
08-23-2008, 12:29 PM
I also asked about the Whitaker family I was told Rose yells all the time, and ever since the OSBI/LE's questioned Skyla's little sister Jayme (for 2 hours
ALONE) she hasn't been the same.

Isn't the sister a minor? Can they do that legally?

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 12:32 PM
This poor woman is coming apart at the seams. I certainly hope she is getting therapy. Imo, she will never overcome this totally but maybe if the killer or killers are caught she can have some type of peace in her heart. I feel so sorry for all of these family members that cannot wake up from the true nightmare they all have experienced.

imo

Originally Posted by sheza http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2543606#post2543606)
It was also said Vickie has been calling LE's a lot reporting seeing men in the woods and hearing gun shots..so sad.


Oh my heart is heavy and the part about not being able leave the girls is just so so sad. They need to help her & I hope they are paying attention to her ...This is heartbreaking, as if I thought I could not get more so..

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:33 PM
FYI -- This info and a pop cost me $85.00. :)

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 12:35 PM
Isn't the sister a minor? Can they do that legally?

I didn't think they could do that ..but if permission is given I guess they can.

sheza
08-23-2008, 12:36 PM
Isn't the sister a minor? Can they do that legally?

I wondered the same thing?

CMorrison64
08-23-2008, 12:39 PM
I didn't think they could do that ..but if permission is given I guess they can.

Well if Rose has been yelling ever since, doesn't sound to me like she was happy about it.

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 12:39 PM
IMO Anyone that knows something and has kept this from LE, deserves to be as equally punished, putting the family thru this hell when they knew something to me is just as bad as the actual deed. God Bless the family members that are suffering. I hope V is getting some counseling.

I couldn't agree with you more, CM.

Anyone who is protecting these scumbags or enabling them in anyway should be punished severely, as well.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 12:41 PM
I didn't think they could do that ..but if permission is given I guess they can.

You are right, GS...if permission is given by the parents.

They probably did give permission but had no idea they would question her that long.

imoo

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 12:47 PM
Well we all know #1 no matter what even if you are the victim LE can make you feel obedient & for lack of guilt she probably did agree

little726
08-23-2008, 12:47 PM
FYI -- This info and a pop cost me $85.00. :)

Thank you, Sheza. The check's in the mail...:blowkiss:

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 12:49 PM
Oh my goodness.. & here we thought maybe you had a winning streak.. That is not good

tapu
08-23-2008, 01:00 PM
Sheza, you'd better start taking donations because we're going to want you to hang out there a lot!

Thanks for the info. tap

sheza
08-23-2008, 01:05 PM
Grieving process after murder -grieving process after the murder of your child and her best friend while in your care...and not know who the murders are, LE's will not speak to you.

I can't even imagine the pain.

And Rose>Skyla's murder and her son going to prison in the same time frame!

evelyn24
08-23-2008, 01:11 PM
It was also said Vickie has been calling LE's a lot reporting seeing men in the woods and hearing gun shots..so sad.

So are you thinking Vicki is just going through some mental stress and is now paranoid, and that's why she went to the LE about Peter?

BTW...thanks for reporting back to us, I was getting a little concerned.

sheza
08-23-2008, 01:11 PM
Thank you, Sheza. The check's in the mail...:blowkiss:

Not worried I'm just letting them hold it for me, I'll go back to the casino and pick it up later, I let them do this from time to time. lol

sheza
08-23-2008, 01:13 PM
So are you thinking Vicki is just going through some mental stress and is now paranoid, and that's why she went to the LE about Peter?

BTW...thanks for reporting back to us, I was getting a little concerned.

Yes Evelyn, I'm thinking so.

evelyn24
08-23-2008, 01:15 PM
Yes Evelyn, I'm thinking so.

Wow..this is incredibly sad.

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Missing Sarah http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2512539#post2512539)
We are also going to visit Claudia next week-end, if our plans work out. Just to take her a card, and chat a bit see how she is doing



Have we heard anymore from Missing Sarah about their plans?

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 01:29 PM
Not worried I'm just letting them hold it for me, I'll go back to the casino and pick it up later, I let them do this from time to time. lol
Hey there, thought about callfing you, figured you were sleepying....Sorry, about donation!! I myself did the same. Ahhhh, so poor Vicky is about to experience a major break down....I wish there was something we could do to help. God..have mercy on these poor familes.

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Missing Sarah http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2512539#post2512539)
We are also going to visit Claudia next week-end, if our plans work out. Just to take her a card, and chat a bit see how she is doing



Have we heard anymore from Missing Sarah about their plans?

We just didn't have time when I was though there...maybe, on my return trip..Sheza knows where she works,,,maybe we can take her to dinner....Sorry

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 01:42 PM
I hope you didn'tthink I was not being selfish as in regards to info.. I was just thinking how these poor people need some comfort.

This situation has really became unimaginable.

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 02:03 PM
I didn't thnk that at all GS...I'll be going back through Weleetka Monday, or Tuesday...just depends on shezas schedule.

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 02:54 PM
Sheza... Thank you thank you thank you for all that you're doing for us. I would have said this earlier but AT&T is upgrading our condo buildings for this new U-Verse TV thingy. Problem is, they wiped out our phone and internet service in the process. So the cell phone is my only source of internet at this point. :-P

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 03:04 PM
Yes what KeyBoard said.. Thank you.

Keyboard that is a shame.. is about that digital box thing coming up? Oh I forgot DAH!!! you don't have to answer that sorry.:):)

sheza
08-23-2008, 03:10 PM
I didn't thnk that at all GS...I'll be going back through Weleetka Monday, or Tuesday...just depends on shezas schedule.

Hi Sarah, how do you like it down here in the rumor room?
It was made for us, lots of friends come to check on us.
When we can get solid info we can come out......just kidding.
I asked Claudia's friend Mitt if i could snap her picture and record her (sharing her info) I must have scared her, she got up and left her winning machine!

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 03:16 PM
Yes what KeyBoard said.. Thank you.

Keyboard that is a shame.. is about that digital box thing coming up? Oh I forgot DAH!!! you don't have to answer that sorry.:):)
Lol! No problem GS... Yeah the U-Verse is a digital cable package (so it probably does have something to do with the shutdown of analog TV broadcasting in Feb '09). I told the AT&T guy he can keep my cable TV service but please give me my internet back. :)

sheza
08-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Sheza... Thank you thank you thank you for all that you're doing for us. I would have said this earlier but AT&T is upgrading our condo buildings for this new U-Verse TV thingy. Problem is, they wiped out our phone and internet service in the process. So the cell phone is my only source of internet at this point. :-P

Your welcome Keyboard, Locals wish we could help more.

Ann Fan
08-23-2008, 03:21 PM
I am glad we finally heard from Sheza - it's hard to send out a search party for someone we don't really know (haha). Thank you for going to find out what you could. I feel so bad for the poor woman - the grandchild, her friend, apparently her son - and on top of all of that aguish she had to pack a house and move - which is a whole other stress in itself. I would imagine she numbly stumbles through each day a day at a time. I hope she has some support to help her that are outside of the cast of characters in her family.

willow
08-23-2008, 03:30 PM
I've been lurking on this thread since it happened, and I appreciate your info.

I find this case to be one of the most puzzling ones to date.

It appears random, yet NOT random at the same time. Weird, huh.

The info LE has just released about the Glock is just another piece of the puzzle. I wonder why they released that bit of info? And JUST that bit? Hmmmmm.......

sheza
08-23-2008, 03:38 PM
I am glad we finally heard from Sheza - it's hard to send out a search party for someone we don't really know (haha). Thank you for going to find out what you could. I feel so bad for the poor woman - the grandchild, her friend, apparently her son - and on top of all of that aguish she had to pack a house and move - which is a whole other stress in itself. I would imagine she numbly stumbles through each day a day at a time. I hope she has some support to help her that are outside of the cast of characters in her family.

"numbly stumbles" how true.

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 03:38 PM
I I would imagine she numbly stumbles through each day a day at a time. I hope she has some support to help her that are outside of the cast of characters in her family.

I would imagine she numbly stumbles through each day a day at a time

Don't you know that is true. I would probably sleep all the time. That is what happens to me My body & my brain just shut off. I always wished I could be like some people that clean & wax & cook & do windows ect when they are upset ..no not my luck to be constructive at least... I just sleep..& I mean dose off sitting at my desk or what ever. It is messed up. Thank God I don't have alot to be depressed about. LOL..But when my mom died that was all I wanted to do. Then you wake up & suddenly remember they are gone.

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 03:45 PM
Whew! OK I have phone and internet again. Much better to post on a 17" widescreen than an itty-bitty 2" phone screen where each letter is about the size of a flake of dandruff. :D

sheza
08-23-2008, 03:47 PM
I've been lurking on this thread since it happened, and I appreciate your info.

I find this case to be one of the most puzzling ones to date.

It appears random, yet NOT random at the same time. Weird, huh.

The info LE has just released about the Glock is just another piece of the puzzle. I wonder why they released that bit of info? And JUST that bit? Hmmmmm.......

Hi Willow, surely it wasn't just random? I don't think LE's have a clue who these monsters could be.

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 03:49 PM
I would imagine she numbly stumbles through each day a day at a time

Don't you know that is true. I would probably sleep all the time. That is what happens to me My body & my brain just shut off. I always wished I could be like some people that clean & wax & cook & do windows ect when they are upset ..no not my luck to be constructive at least... I just sleep..& I mean dose off sitting at my desk or what ever. It is messed up. Thank God I don't have alot to be depressed about. LOL..But when my mom died that was all I wanted to do. Then you wake up & suddenly remember they are gone.

I'm the same way, GS... After my fiancee died back in 2000 all I wanted to do was sleep, because it was the only way I could begin to forget about what happened. But then, like you, I wake up, and realize that I really hadn't forgotten. **oops... This is kinda OT. Sorry folks. :)

sheza
08-23-2008, 03:49 PM
Has there been a case like this one before? I wonder how it was solved.

sheza
08-23-2008, 04:02 PM
I'm the same way, GS... After my fiancee died back in 2000 all I wanted to do was sleep, because it was the only way I could begin to forget about what happened. But then, like you, I wake up, and realize that I really hadn't forgotten. **oops... This is kinda OT. Sorry folks. :)

When my husband died I just wanted to sleep also.
(sorry about your fiancee was it sudden)
With all the OSBI and media goings on Vickie may have kept it all inside until now.

willow
08-23-2008, 04:34 PM
What I mean by not random, is the execution type murder. Like a message was being sent. To whom, I have no idea. Can't even hazard a guess.

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 04:37 PM
sheza I am so sorry for your loss also. Sleep was my friend...

Vicky must be on the verge. She probably has kept it all inside. Oh my and not only dealing with the death itself but you know as well as I do guilt follows you around too. Could've... would've...should've. God love her.

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 04:57 PM
I echo that sentiment, GS... God be with Vicky and the rest of them:innocent:

Claycat
08-23-2008, 06:00 PM
I must be picking up on all the angst! This case and the Caylee case are about to drive me bananas. (And, I have long been on the Madeleine case, but not here.)

:crazy::crazy::crazy:

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 06:49 PM
Hello everyone, any new news about the case?

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 06:51 PM
Hello everyone, any new news about the case?
Not a thing on my end MS, but weekends are slow media days.

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 06:51 PM
Hi there MS, nothing in the news as far as I can tell... Things are sure quieter so far this evening than LAST evening :)

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 06:55 PM
I guess we will just have to be patient. I'd like to hear something...Sheza are you doing alright ? you lil nightowl :)

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 06:56 PM
Hi there MS, nothing in the news as far as I can tell... Things are sure quieter so far this evening than LAST evening :)
With the time differential it was only late afternoon here yesterday when my pulse was rising, waiting for news. Then I had a delivery and I was like a kid with a toy taken away when I had to leave the 'puter' http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/09.gif

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 06:57 PM
Frog ,took pictures of that tree that had been carved on. I thought that was rather odd.Maybe, Peter walked there just to be alone...and started carving.

RoseRed
08-23-2008, 06:58 PM
Something to do while we are waiting for Sheza to report back.....


Click on the ball - it will change colors if you get it.
http://mazzanet.id.au/ball.php

Sorry, had to get some sleep then do a few family things so they don't toss me out in the street. LOL

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 06:59 PM
LOL...I can relate to that TG...seems we get rapped up with this case and its hard to leave !!

KeyboardPlayer
08-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Heh, I hear ya there, imagine when I opened the laptop this morning and had NO internet connection. I felt like I was missing an appendage :p

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Frog ,took pictures of that tree that had been carved on. I thought that was rather odd.Maybe, Peter walked there just to be alone...and started carving.
It looked like a dug out in the truck, maybe a bullet they missed during the investigation???

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 07:00 PM
Welcome back Rose...nice to see you see you again.

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 07:01 PM
I'm not sure TG...the dug out shavings looked fresh...not weathered...that is what confused me

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 07:02 PM
LOL...I can relate to that TG...seems we get rapped up with this case and its hard to leave !!
It's not just this case, I follow several, and the alerts alone from here and Google were driving me nuts hearing them come in and I had to stick with the delivery guys.

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 07:16 PM
I'm not sure TG...the dug out shavings looked fresh...not weathered...that is what confused me

Let's take another look at it! What do we think?
http://i37.tinypic.com/fdalpt.jpg

RoseRed
08-23-2008, 07:19 PM
Welcome back Rose...nice to see you see you again.

thank you MS, read a lot but just don't post a lot.

Shutterfly
08-23-2008, 08:29 PM
Let's take another look at it! What do we think?
http://i37.tinypic.com/fdalpt.jpg

Well, it kinda looks like ricochet from a .40 cal slug to me. JHP(Jacketed Hollowpoint) rounds will do that because when they hit something they mushroom, outward.

Missing Sarah
08-23-2008, 08:35 PM
Well, would shavings be in a pile if was a bullet.?

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 08:41 PM
I'm not sure TG...the dug out shavings looked fresh...not weathered...that is what confused me

Since we are just guessing it does look like where LE may have notched out an area in order to retrieve a bullet. Maybe one that passed through one of the girls bodies.

It has aged around the edges like it would if it was done months ago and looks neatly cut imo. LE does try to do it so the tree will not have a large scarring area.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 08:55 PM
Well, would shavings be in a pile if was a bullet.?

Imo it wouldn't be, MS. I don't think this is a ricocheted shot. If it ricocheted off of the tree it would be more like a glancing slice and scarring of the tree rather than having this much area gone. Whatever this was seemed to have been embedded into the tree......not ricocheting off the tree imo. I think LE notched out the area and checked to see if a bullet had become lodged in the tree and if so then they carefully removed it.

Usually when a tree is struck by a ricocheting shot the wood will splinter in small pieces and do not land in a pile as the force of the shot will cause the tree where it has been hit to splinter in various directions if hit at a glance.

Just my opinion though.

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 10:50 PM
Well do you think someone else was trying to CYA & see if a bullet was there ?

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 11:16 PM
Well do you think someone else was trying to CYA & see if a bullet was there ?

I really don't GS. It actually wouldn't be this neat looking imo. Especially if the perps had tried to remove it and I don't think there was thoughts of that or time to even think about it.

Imo this may have been a bullet that passed through one of the girls' bodies and lodged itself in the tree that was most likely in the line of fire behind where one of the girls stood when being shot.

I have seen LE widen out some around the area when retrieving bullets that have become embedded in walls or outside areas such as a tree line, fencing, etc. They do this so they can have the exact angle of the bullet as it entered the stationary object.

To me these weren't careful killers. They left bullet casings behind at the scene.

I do wonder now since they did decide to release that a Glock 40 was used if the other weapon used is not commonly owned either. With only around 55 people even having a Glock in this area shows it is not that common to have imo.

I think they are withholding the other weapon caliber so when they do an inventory on these others that have not come forward yet, OSBI will be asking them what other type of weapons they own.

imoo

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 11:20 PM
That makes sense Ocean..

Tom'sGirl
08-23-2008, 11:36 PM
I really don't GS. It actually wouldn't be this neat looking imo. Especially if the perps had tried to remove it and I don't think there was thoughts of that or time to even think about it.

Imo this may have been a bullet that passed through one of the girls' bodies and lodged itself in the tree that was most likely in the line of fire behind where one of the girls stood when being shot.

I have seen LE widen out some around the area when retrieving bullets that have become embedded in walls or outside areas such as a tree line, fencing, etc. They do this so they can have the exact angle of the bullet as it entered the stationary object.

To me these weren't careful killers. They left bullet casings behind at the scene.

I do wonder now since they did decide to release that a Glock 40 was used if the other weapon used is not commonly owned either. With only around 55 people even having a Glock in this area shows it is not that common to have imo.

I think they are withholding the other weapon caliber so when they do an inventory on these others that have not come forward yet, OSBI will be asking them what other type of weapons they own.

imoo
But Ocean, those 55 people were only the ones they found names for by going to gun dealers and pawnshops so that's not helpful if the killer obtained the gun from out of the County or State.

I obtained two firearms given to me by a family member of a deceased person, nothing would track the weapons to me.

GetSmart
08-23-2008, 11:58 PM
Has anyone checked the county arrest records today?
I not saying go there now... I was trying too then got bumped from WS & it took me awhile to get back on. So don't take the chance.. Iwas just wondering. :confused::confused:

oceanblueeyes
08-23-2008, 11:59 PM
But Ocean, those 55 people were only the ones they found names for by going to gun dealers and pawnshops so that's not helpful if the killer obtained the gun from out of the County or State.

I obtained two firearms given to me by a family member of a deceased person, nothing would track the weapons to me.

Well no matter how it was obtained it is now out there that it is a Glock 40 so I am sure OSBI are having new calls on this new information. More leads are a great thing.

They are going in the right direction though TG. Now lets see why some of these people didn't come in and cooperate with OSBI to assist them in ruling out their weapon.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 12:00 AM
Has anyone checked the county arrest records today?
I not saying go there now... I was trying too then got bumped from WS & it took me awhile to get back on. So don't take the chance.. Iwas just wondering. :confused::confused:

Arrest for whom?

Was there supposed to be an arrest?

imoo

Okie ties
08-24-2008, 12:07 AM
Good evening all. Been away for a few days. Got on and read all the pages regarding the rumors, etc. Amazing..
Sheza, thanks for keeping us posted and for going out to the casino. You and the other locals are doing an amazing job of keeping this case alive.
I just called my daughter at the news station in okc to ask if they'd heard anything about the PP rumors. They hadn't, but her producer just called some people at okfuskee county. One person said that while he couldn't comment, if they had heard about it is was probably true. They are prepared to run a story once they have verified the rumors.

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 12:12 AM
There is a whole group of people out there that no matter what... they are not going to even try to understand why they were doing this..

Example of statements posted on other forums
The ACLU will take care of it once someone calls them.
This sort of thing HAS been ruled unconstitutional before
You can have my gun when you get a warrant!!
Since there is no legal requirement to register a gun in Oklahoma my answer would have been "get a warrant". This way you could not be charged with lying to the LEO.

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 12:17 AM
Peter Placker was picked up in connection of the murders

Just the same rumor from yesterday...Ocean. I was just wondering thats all

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 12:24 AM
Well, would shavings be in a pile if was a bullet.?
wow. I didnt get close enough to see shavings in a pile. So you must have. When did you first notice the carving?

Tom'sGirl
08-24-2008, 12:31 AM
There is a whole group of people out there that no matter what... they are not going to even try to understand why they were doing this..

Example of statements posted on other forums
The ACLU will take care of it once someone calls them.
This sort of thing HAS been ruled unconstitutional before
You can have my gun when you get a warrant!!
Since there is no legal requirement to register a gun in Oklahoma my answer would have been "get a warrant". This way you could not be charged with lying to the LEO.
Yep GS, it's a hot topic right now!

Police tell owners: 'We're inspecting your guns'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906)

On the forums page for the Oklahoma Shooters Association, (http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35001) the readers were even more alarmed.

"Why don't they just test fire all the .40 cal handguns in Oklahoma? Yeah, that's the ticket," said one person. "I hate to perhaps sound callous about the tragedy, that's not my intent at all, but this is some of the goofiest stuff I've ever heard of."

"What the OSBI stupidly did was ensure that, if the real murderer still has the murder weapon and got one of these letters, he will now WITHOUT DOUBT destroy it POST HASTE," said another.

Okie ties
08-24-2008, 12:52 AM
Further clarification. The tv station called and woke up the okfuskee county sheriff. He said "you've heard that?", you need to call someone else (didn't get name). They did and were told they needed to talk to Jessica (Brown..presumably?). They tried to reach her but she didn't answer.

noZme
08-24-2008, 02:09 AM
wasn't the task force using a room at the courthouse & is it still in use? i would think reporters & other inquiring minds could learn a lot by watching the activity there..... stragetic placement is everything!

this has dragged on too long & i hope it's resolved soon; i cannot help hoping family members are not involved that would make it all the more tragic.

Trino
08-24-2008, 05:54 AM
Yep GS, it's a hot topic right now!

Police tell owners: 'We're inspecting your guns'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906)

On the forums page for the Oklahoma Shooters Association, (http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35001) the readers were even more alarmed.

"Why don't they just test fire all the .40 cal handguns in Oklahoma? Yeah, that's the ticket," said one person. "I hate to perhaps sound callous about the tragedy, that's not my intent at all, but this is some of the goofiest stuff I've ever heard of."

"What the OSBI stupidly did was ensure that, if the real murderer still has the murder weapon and got one of these letters, he will now WITHOUT DOUBT destroy it POST HASTE," said another.

IMO this idea was not only unconstitutional but a waste of money and time and would certainly encourage the killer(s) to dispose of weapons if they haven't already done so. OK is a big state with a lot of gun owners; testing 60 weapons would be considered a drop in a bucket. I could be completely wrong, but I just don't think it was kids who borrowed Daddy's weapon. IMO the killer(s) was an adult.

"Lists" can be scarey. (Check out the honest citizens who are on the TSA no fly list.) If an honest gun owner refuses to have a gun tested, is he/she going to be investigated because they insisted on their rights?

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 08:49 AM
IMO this idea was not only unconstitutional but a waste of money and time and would certainly encourage the killer(s) to dispose of weapons if they haven't already done so. OK is a big state with a lot of gun owners; testing 60 weapons would be considered a drop in a bucket. I could be completely wrong, but I just don't think it was kids who borrowed Daddy's weapon. IMO the killer(s) was an adult.

"Lists" can be scarey. (Check out the honest citizens who are on the TSA no fly list.) If an honest gun owner refuses to have a gun tested, is he/she going to be investigated because they insisted on their rights?

I don't think it was unconstitutional. The letter sent out was a request. They didn't come knocking on everyone's doors confiscating their Glocks. They didn't even take the weapons when the cooperative people showed up and let them test fire their guns.

To me this is no different when LE requests that a group of citizens come forward and give their DNA samples so they can be ruled out of a certain crime the police are investigating.

These 15 no shows may have a valid excuse why they did not bring their weapons in to be test fired but maybe one of them does not have a valid excuse.

I am glad to see that they are continuing to think of everything that they can think of to advance this case.

My husband is a large collector of both handguns and long guns and he said he would have no problem with having any of them test fired by LE if they should request it because he has absolutely nothing to hide.

If one of them cannot produce the weapon in their name as the other 5 did that sold their weapons to someone else and provided those names to LE, then yeah, they will be investigated closely.... as they should be imo.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 08:54 AM
Just the same rumor from yesterday...Ocean. I was just wondering thats all

Oh, my bad, sorry.

I thought sheza said no one had been arrested.

imoo

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 10:22 AM
Further clarification. The tv station called and woke up the okfuskee county sheriff. He said "you've heard that?", you need to call someone else (didn't get name). They did and were told they needed to talk to Jessica (Brown..presumably?). They tried to reach her but she didn't answer.


I'm sorry I must be slow today ...heard what?? About Peter you mean

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 10:27 AM
I'm sorry I must be slow today ...heard what?? About Peter you mean

LOL, maybe I am too.

I thought he was talking about the roadblock and the sending out of the request letters on the gun by OSBI.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 10:40 AM
Yep GS, it's a hot topic right now!

Police tell owners: 'We're inspecting your guns'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906)

On the forums page for the Oklahoma Shooters Association, (http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35001) the readers were even more alarmed.

"Why don't they just test fire all the .40 cal handguns in Oklahoma? Yeah, that's the ticket," said one person. "I hate to perhaps sound callous about the tragedy, that's not my intent at all, but this is some of the goofiest stuff I've ever heard of."

"What the OSBI stupidly did was ensure that, if the real murderer still has the murder weapon and got one of these letters, he will now WITHOUT DOUBT destroy it POST HASTE," said another.

I remember Albert saying that the type of weapon should be revealed. At the time I disagreed with them, now I am not so sure I do.

By putting the .40 caliber weapon used out there it will create new call ins and leads to pursue imo.

It wont matter if the gun is registered or unregistered. The main thing is if someone knows someone in that local area that possesses one then it raises the chances now that they will call in and tell them who.

imoo

evelyn24
08-24-2008, 11:07 AM
I'm sorry I must be slow today ...heard what?? About Peter you mean

Yes, I think Okie Ties is talking about calling the local media to confirm the rumor that Vickie went to LE with her concerns about Peter's involvement, and the answer the local media received from LE.

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 11:26 AM
Yes, I think Okie Ties is talking about calling the local media to confirm the rumor that Vickie went to LE with her concerns about Peter's involvement, and the answer the local media received from LE.

If the media was tipped off and I have no doubt they were on the rumor going around then they would know that the local police wouldn't be the one to arrest him but that would be done by OSBI who is heading up the investigation.

I wonder why they just didn't call OSBI first and if OSBI didn't answer then the media would be bugging OSBI constantly until one of them made a statement one way or the other.

imoo

SeriouslySearching
08-24-2008, 11:32 AM
It is interesting about the tree. Sure looks like someone dug out a bullet to me. It may or may not have anything to do with the case, but that is what it looks like.

We do know they were looking for additional bullets so it would make sense. Maybe they missed this one and someone else spotted it for them later. If not, then LE should be informed about it. Maybe someone just spotted it and didn't tell them.

Still no confirmation on PP being called in?

tapu
08-24-2008, 11:36 AM
I've been contemplating this case this morning....

I would have expected LE to nab the perps almost immediately if this were young kids or a thrill killing or anything else simple.

The fact that they seem to have little to go on argues for this being a much more complicated, and possibly professional, scenario.

I still think the most likely thing is that the girls came across someone they knew, engaged with someone big-time in drugs or whatever, and then were killed by the more sophisticated (underworld-wise) latter as they walked home, to avoid their revealing what they saw.

It's like, on the spot, unplanned, but still deftly done.

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 12:32 PM
I've been contemplating this case this morning....

I would have expected LE to nab the perps almost immediately if this were young kids or a thrill killing or anything else simple.

The fact that they seem to have little to go on argues for this being a much more complicated, and possibly professional, scenario.

I still think the most likely thing is that the girls came across someone they knew, engaged with someone big-time in drugs or whatever, and then were killed by the more sophisticated (underworld-wise) latter as they walked home, to avoid their revealing what they saw.

It's like, on the spot, unplanned, but still deftly done.

What puzzles me about the professional hit theory it seems if that was so that it certainly wouldn't have taken 12-13 shots especially now that we know one was a .40 caliber Glock.

I know nothing about drugs but would drug dealers deal their drugs right on the wide open road that seemed to be well traveled? There is no evidence that the girls were ever in the wooded areas but just went to the bridge and back.

Imo, it is way too sloppy to be a professional hit especially with the victims being so defenseless and unable to fight back. JMO though.

imoo

Trino
08-24-2008, 12:40 PM
What puzzles me about the professional hit theory it seems if that was so that it certainly wouldn't have taken 12-13 shots especially now that we know one was a .40 caliber Glock.

I know nothing about drugs but would drug dealers deal their drugs right on the wide open road that seemed to be well traveled? There is no evidence that the girls were ever in the wooded areas but just went to the bridge and back.

Imo, it is way too sloppy to be a professional hit especially with the victims being so defenseless and unable to fight back. JMO though.

imoo

Professional may not be the right word to use for drug dealers. Maybe it could just be called a hit. Remember the drug dealers who killed an entire family, including two children, around the Port Lucie, FL turnpike? All were shot multiple times - while kneeling.

If I correctly recall, this is an unpaved country road well-traveled by locals, but I wonder exactly how many cars per hour travel the road.

oceanblueeyes
08-24-2008, 12:53 PM
Professional may not be the right word to use for drug dealers. Maybe it could just be called a hit. Remember the drug dealers who killed an entire family, including two children, around the Port Lucie, FL turnpike? All were shot multiple times - while kneeling.

If I correctly recall, this is an unpaved country road well-traveled by locals, but I wonder exactly how many cars per hour travel the road.

I do remember that horribly sad case but the father was involved in drugs wasnt he? I know that they will wipe out entire families so that they leave no witnesses but they usually make sure the one they think scammed them out of drugs is murdered too.

We had 6 people in one family murdered in a neighboring town from me 2 or 3 years ago. The entire family was slaughtered (2 adults 4 children). The family had been in Georgia for about 2 years but had left Texas and the father had been an informant there. The drug gang tracked them down.

Yes, that is right it was an unpaved rural road but many of these types of roads have quite a bit of traffic on them.......at least they do here.

imoo

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 01:09 PM
I do remember that horribly sad case but the father was involved in drugs wasnt he? I know that they will wipe out entire families so that they leave no witnesses but they usually make sure the one they think scammed them out of drugs is murdered too.

We had 6 people in one family murdered in a neighboring town from me 2 or 3 years ago. The entire family was slaughtered (2 adults 4 children). The family had been in Georgia for about 2 years but had left Texas and the father had been an informant there. The drug gang tracked them down.

Yes, that is right it was an unpaved rural road but many of these types of roads have quite a bit of traffic on them.......at least they do here.

imoo

When we were there, Friday afternoon, there were 3 or 4 vehicles went by, one of them a truck of men who looked like workers going home somewhere. All the vehicles came from the north, going south, and none of them turned into Plackers. We drove around out there for a bit, looking to see if we could tell where people lived, like maybe the other family, or these Southerns, and we never came up with anything. We were just curious. We never saw anything, (except a little butterfly that stopped to rest on the tree over the memorial, and a little tiny frog which hopped into the brush across the road) but we hung around a little bit and it sure felt creepy. Mostly just because we knew what happened there. Otherwise, it would have just felt like an old country road.
The

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 01:11 PM
WEll, I dont know what happened there... my typing posted before I hit post. Weird
Anyway, I was gonna say, the memorial looked tired. I dont know any other word to describe it.
If you all go to the post where I put the pics, you can view the 7 pictures I took. There isnt much to them, but they are just recent.

KeyboardPlayer
08-24-2008, 01:13 PM
WEll, I dont know what happened there... my typing posted before I hit post. Weird
Anyway, I was gonna say, the memorial looked tired. I dont know any other word to describe it.
If you all go to the post where I put the pics, you can view the 7 pictures I took. There isnt much to them, but they are just recent.
Hi frog, is that in the photo thread? (Oh, and yes, that has happened to me before too :) )

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 01:23 PM
http://tinypic.com/yourhome.php

Here is a link to the pictures. If someone feels like they want to put it in the picture thread, I have no objections.

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 01:30 PM
If that link didnt work, this one might. http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=KbiDKLiNRpOvLJIRk3LXoQ%3D%3D

I think you can view all picture by going to this one. Excuse me, but I am not real computer (internet) literate. I wish I had learned, but it seemed there was never time.

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Frog it takes me where I have to enter my email ect... I think u have to post the link that is under the pic.. i don't know I am new to tiny pics

NEVER MIND SORRY....

Wow it is lonely there.

KeyboardPlayer
08-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Very nice pics, frog... Thank you :)

Ruflossn
08-24-2008, 01:42 PM
Hello 99, and Frog.

Thanks for the pics. I haven't looked at them yet but, thanks for taking the time to get them.

Keyboard~
You are one of the funniest posters on here.
Welcome!!

Ruflossn
08-24-2008, 01:50 PM
The pics were great Frog.

Thank-you!

KeyboardPlayer
08-24-2008, 01:59 PM
Hello 99, and Frog.

Thanks for the pics. I haven't looked at them yet but, thanks for taking the time to get them.

Keyboard~
You are one of the funniest posters on here.
Welcome!!
Thanks for the welcome, Ruflossn. There are really only three ways I can effectively deal with tragedies like this: 1. Write music, 2. Try to make jokes, and 3. Talk about it with others who feel the same way I do. #1 has been happening for some time now. #2, while marginally effective at times, can sometimes seem out of place (I certainly hope I don't offend anyone on this board; admittedly, I don't always know when to put the brakes on lol), and #3 is the very reason I started posting here at WS. Everyone I have met and talked to on this board so far has been so great, and I am grateful to have a place I can share my thoughts. Especially since up here in Ohio there has been absolutely NOTHING mentioned about this case by the media for quite some time, and most people I try to talk to about it have never even heard of the case. :(

Cheers!

CMorrison64
08-24-2008, 02:00 PM
Thanks Frog, great pics, although it brought a lump to my throat and tears to my eyes. I certainly hope nobody is really taking things from this memorial, that is just wrong.

Tom'sGirl
08-24-2008, 02:01 PM
If that link didnt work, this one might. http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=KbiDKLiNRpOvLJIRk3LXoQ%3D%3D

I think you can view all picture by going to this one. Excuse me, but I am not real computer (internet) literate. I wish I had learned, but it seemed there was never time.
Resized and posted (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2548099&postcount=32)

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 02:19 PM
Resized and posted (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2548099&postcount=32)
Thank you for posting that, TG.
The first pic is just to show the dense forestry behind the memorial.
The second is the notch in the tree, and if you look real close, just to the left of the star, hanging on a little branch that makes a backwards C, (maybe you can blow that up in size) is the little rosary that I was told that was left by someone... hanging over where little Skyla lied. I am not sure how true this is, but I have heard this from the start.
The third pic is of most of the memorial. I had to step back to get the rest of the northern most part of it, with Skyla's new cross.
It is in the pics on tinypic. So is a pic of a little red bear, wedged in between Taylor's cross and stones. I put that there sometime in June and it is exaclty as I left it. I remember I felt so sad cuz it was out of the rock boundary of the memorial, but I wanted it close to Taylor's cross.
The 4th pic is of a dog in the road. It came from down by Plackers, and slowly moved closer the longer I was there. Upon leaving I noticed it was nursing, and now wished I had some food to leave for it. Wishing I could go back and feed it.
The 5th picture is a closer up of the heart we have grown to know so well. The one placed there at the beginning, with the pictures of the girls. On it hangs a couple of other rosarys. I guess that is what they are, I am not Catholic, so I am only repeating what I was told they were.
My heart feel so heavy looking at these.

KeyboardPlayer
08-24-2008, 02:22 PM
Thank you for posting that, TG.
The first pic is just to show the dense forestry behind the memorial.
The second is the notch in the tree, and if you look real close, just to the left of the star, hanging on a little branch that makes a backwards C, (maybe you can blow that up in size) is the little rosary that I was told that was left by someone... hanging over where little Skyla lied. I am not sure how true this is, but I have heard this from the start.
The third pic is of most of the memorial. I had to step back to get the rest of the northern most part of it, with Skyla's new cross.
It is in the pics on tinypic. So is a pic of a little red bear, wedged in between Taylor's cross and stones. I put that there sometime in June and it is exaclty as I left it. I remember I felt so sad cuz it was out of the rock boundary of the memorial, but I wanted it close to Taylor's cross.
The 4th pic is of a dog in the road. It came from down by Plackers, and slowly moved closer the longer I was there. Upon leaving I noticed it was nursing, and now wished I had some food to leave for it. Wishing I could go back and feed it.
The 5th picture is a closer up of the heart we have grown to know so well. The one placed there at the beginning, with the pictures of the girls. On it hangs a couple of other rosarys. I guess that is what they are, I am not Catholic, so I am only repeating what I was told they were.
My heart feel so heavy looking at these.
Yeah, I admittedly get a little choked up looking at them too... Thank you again for taking them :)

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Yeah, I admittedly get a little choked up looking at them too... Thank you again for taking them :)
You are all very welcome for the pics. I just was trying to get a grasp of the feeling, being there. It was sad, and at the same time a bit scary.
If I go back, I will try to take more. Just dont know when that will be.

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 02:36 PM
oopsy. I thought I had the pic of the red bear on tinypic, but I failed to put it there. It is there now. When I left it there, there was nothing else around it. Just the cross, outside of the boundaries of the rocks. Other items have been placed there since.
There is a pic of the POI at my tinypics page. It was taken when I went into the Freelance in Henryetta to check up on the roadblock thing. To see the paper where they published their information. The poi pic is taped on their trophy case just inside the door.

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 02:48 PM
Thank you Frog... That was so "brave "of you. I hope you were not alone young lady !! It just seems so lonely like I said before.

KeyBoard it is really amazing how these girls have brought together a group of strangers. They gave us a gift. I am not making making lite of this either they really have. I get this big ole lump in my throat you know.

Flossie, Frog, CC, You , Ann Fan too & many others ..I don't want to leave anyone out....are all new wonderful friends, and i call them "Our Girls"

Ann Fan
08-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Thank you for the pics frog. Most of us will not get a chance to see the memorial in person and you have given us a way to feel like we have kind of been there somewhat. If this has already been answered forgive me but is the hole in the tree recent and if so how recent?

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 02:59 PM
Thank you for the pics frog. Most of us will not get a chance to see the memorial in person and you have given us a way to feel like we have kind of been there somewhat. If this has already been answered forgive me but is the hole in the tree recent and if so how recent?

It looked recent, but I am not a tree expert, but it looked fairly fresh. And I havent heard any of the locals who travel down there regularly mention it before. I DO know a few who go there upon occasion, to take items of love. It's kinda like a feeling that no one wants them to feel alone. At least that is how some of us feel. A feeling that we want them to know we remember them and love them. Funny how you can get to know someone and love them, after they are gone.

And no, GS. I was not alone. I am not that brave!
Gotta go!

KeyboardPlayer
08-24-2008, 03:15 PM
Thank you Frog... That was so "brave "of you. I hope you were not alone young lady !! It just seems so lonely like I said before.

KeyBoard it is really amazing how these girls have brought together a group of strangers. They gave us a gift. I am not making making lite of this either they really have. I get this big ole lump in my throat you know.

Flossie, Frog, CC, You , Ann Fan too & many others ..I don't want to leave anyone out....are all new wonderful friends, and i call them "Our Girls"

Well said, GS. Very well said. They sure have given us a gift, and when I mentioned on another thread that they shouldn't have made their mark on the world in this tragic manner, I failed to mention that they have made a positive mark as well; they have brought together scores of people (not just here, but everywhere) who otherwise may have never talked at all. To "Our Girls": Thank you. :)

Cheers!

GetSmart
08-24-2008, 03:18 PM
On the memorial pic at the lower let corner.. it looks like a plate with a turtle on it. How sweet is that. I had to save pic & look at it enlarged on my comp on preview ...to see it and I found the teddy Frog.. what a neat color. That is so precious.

Missing Sarah
08-24-2008, 03:18 PM
I don't think anyone is taking things from the memorial...and the lights are not getting enough sunshine to recharge. I go to the memorial alone all the time. I just like to have silence, and peace when I am there.

Ruflossn
08-24-2008, 03:27 PM
Thank you Frog... That was so "brave "of you. I hope you were not alone young lady !! It just seems so lonely like I said before.

KeyBoard it is really amazing how these girls have brought together a group of strangers. They gave us a gift. I am not making making lite of this either they really have. I get this big ole lump in my throat you know.

Flossie, Frog, CC, You , Ann Fan too & many others ..I don't want to leave anyone out....are all new wonderful friends, and i call them "Our Girls"

99~
I feel the same way about 'our girls' and all of us being friends. I have never in my life had friends that I meant through cyber space, but, wow~ I do consider so many on here friends. This tragedy has definitely brought on good things amongst so many of us.

~xxooxxoo~
Flossie

little726
08-24-2008, 03:42 PM
Professional may not be the right word to use for drug dealers. Maybe it could just be called a hit. Remember the drug dealers who killed an entire family, including two children, around the Port Lucie, FL turnpike? All were shot multiple times - while kneeling.

If I correctly recall, this is an unpaved country road well-traveled by locals, but I wonder exactly how many cars per hour travel the road.

Trino, after reading your post, the thought occured to me...Oh God, I hope Taylor and Skyla weren't made to get on their knees before being shot! This would be horrible!

Did the autopsies say anything about markes on the girls knees?

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 03:59 PM
I don't think anyone is taking things from the memorial...and the lights are not getting enough sunshine to recharge. I go to the memorial alone all the time. I just like to have silence, and peace when I am there.

I wish someone would go check on that dog. I just begged my husband to take me back down there to feed it. He said we dont have enough time today. Its an hour or more drive. Maybe it wasn't hungry, maybe it just missed Taylor. I dont know.


I want to go when I can spend a little more time. Like you feel. But I havent been able to. Maybe I can get Sheza to go with me some day.

frogjustfrog
08-24-2008, 04:04 PM
I don't think anyone is taking things from the memorial...and the lights are not getting enough sunshine to recharge. I go to the memorial alone all the time. I just like to have silence, and peace when I am there.
Someone stated they knew some particular things were missing. I have no reason to doubt. Seems I DID hear of a panda there once upon a time. Sad. If someone could disfigure a cross, they could take stuff. This is JMO