Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #23

[momto3kids]

Did anyone ever find a pic or video showing the computer coming out of the house?

If anyone knows the answer to this please let me know.

I have found the video showing the laptop and a pile of folders, manila envelopes and papers coming out of BC home to be placed in a LE vehicle.

I do not know how to make a still picture from the clip. Can anyone help with this?

[SleuthyGal]

I have not seen any video showing a computer coming out of the residence.

If anyone knows the answer to this please let me know.

I have found the video showing the laptop and a pile of folders, manila envelopes and papers coming out of BC home to be placed in a LE vehicle.

I do not know how to make a still picture from the clip. Can anyone help with this?

[maconrich]

If anyone knows the answer to this please let me know.

I have found the video showing the laptop and a pile of folders, manila envelopes and papers coming out of BC home to be placed in a LE vehicle.

I do not know how to make a still picture from the clip. Can anyone help with this?

hit Alt and PrintScreen then paste into a graphics program (if there's a pause on the video hit that first). Or if you want, post the url for the video and what you want pics of and I can do it.

[seeker78]

I'm a newbie to websleuths, and I didn't know Nancy, but I live very close to Cary. If anyone needs any help locally, I'd be happy to help. I've read a lot of the threads today, and it makes me sick to know something like this can happen.

[momto3kids]

I have not seen any video showing a computer coming out of the residence.

This segment of the film were the things we have asked about, and am certain it was a laptop. Nothing bagged, not boxed, just a bundle of items filled his arms. I just don't know how to make it a still shot to post...

I wonder how much more came out of the house like this? I have also counted more than 6 brown bags. A little more than I thought was originally said to have been removed.

[CyberPro]

This segment of the film were the things we have asked about, and am certain it was a laptop. Nothing bagged, not boxed, just a bundle of items filled his arms. I just don't know how to make it a still shot to post...

I wonder how much more came out of the house like this? I have also counted more than 6 brown bags. A little more than I thought was originally said to have been removed.

Mom,

I can probably extract stills out of the clip, but not if it is in flash format. If it is a "regular" type of clip, I can do it.

If you post a link or something, I will attend to it ASAP, but I am going to crash for the day shortly. Bit of a headache and I am going to zone out.

CyberPro

[seeker78]

I, too, can extract images if someone provides me with a link or a file (if CyberPro is offline).

[SleuthyGal]

Welcome Seeker78! Glad you are joining us!

[reddress58]

I'm a newbie to websleuths, and I didn't know Nancy, but I live very close to Cary. If anyone needs any help locally, I'd be happy to help. I've read a lot of the threads today, and it makes me sick to know something like this can happen.
Wecome, Seeker! I love your icon (or whatever you call it). I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions and making use of your computer abilities! :-) Thanks for joining us.

[seeker78]

I'm extremely excited to be joining such talented folks, and my computer abilities are always available. :D I'm just hoping I can learn from you guys!

The Nancy Cooper case really tugs at my heart because of how much she had to leave behind.. those kids have to be so sad right now. I feel powerless and ignorant about what to do (I've never done PI work or anything), but I'm hoping by offering my help someone will push me in the right direction!

[SleuthyGal]

I'm extremely excited to be joining such talented folks, and my computer abilities are always available. :D I'm just hoping I can learn from you guys!

The Nancy Cooper case really tugs at my heart because of how much she had to leave behind.. those kids have to be so sad right now. I feel powerless and ignorant about what to do (I've never done PI work or anything), but I'm hoping by offering my help someone will push me in the right direction!

I agree there are a lot of very smart, talented folks who are participating and I think we all learn from each other as we bring different perspectives. So you'll fit right in just by being interested! We all feel so horrible for her kids, her parents, brother, sisters, friends and the community. It's just horribly tragic.

[reddress58]

I'm extremely excited to be joining such talented folks, and my computer abilities are always available. :D I'm just hoping I can learn from you guys!

The Nancy Cooper case really tugs at my heart because of how much she had to leave behind.. those kids have to be so sad right now. I feel powerless and ignorant about what to do (I've never done PI work or anything), but I'm hoping by offering my help someone will push me in the right direction!
Oh, boy. We'll push you all right!! :-)

[momto3kids]

Welcome Seeker 78! Hope you put your opinions out there and any insight you might have.

Also, to everyone who has offered...it is on Youtube. It was a WTVD clip and they have disabled this one clip on their website. It is played several times on the 10 minute clip...the 1st time i saw it was at 2:31, but several times after as well.
Thanks for offering to do it..you will see how many items were not placed in a brown bag.
Here is the link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSze8jw62E

You will notice also a moving van down from the house. I remembered seeing it when I went by the day the search was being conducted. I thought this was strange...just happen to have a moving van sitting there?

[raisincharlie]

sorry if this has been answered already, but...

1. this ain't the right floor plan.
2. the W/D is on the first floor. Where exactly I dunno. But there is a first floor utility room.


We know - part of the process of elimination. All is good, we now have the right floor plan, no problems.

[seeker78]

I'll have a look and see if I can't pull out a screen shot!

[Edit: I think I got it!]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6001/caylee1mz1.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caylee1mz1.jpg)

The video is much clearer, so I recommend you watch it, but that's definitely a laptop the officer is carrying.

[FullDisclosure]

This segment of the film were the things we have asked about, and am certain it was a laptop. Nothing bagged, not boxed, just a bundle of items filled his arms. I just don't know how to make it a still shot to post...

I wonder how much more came out of the house like this? I have also counted more than 6 brown bags. A little more than I thought was originally said to have been removed.

Hi, Mom. I looked at the youtube video. Are you talking about what the officer has in his arm on the bottom of the "pile" of stuff? It's black? It could be a laptop, but it looks like some kind of binder to me. I can't really tell, though. I do find it odd that anything was taken out not bagged. Very curious. :waitasec:

[momto3kids]

Hi, Mom. I looked at the youtube video. Are you talking about what the officer has in his arm on the bottom of the "pile" of stuff? It's black? It could be a laptop, but it looks like some kind of binder to me. I can't really tell, though. I do find it odd that anything was taken out not bagged. Very curious. :waitasec:

I flipped my laptop over right away and I have the same stickers on my bottom side. Not my BOTTOM :eek:,but my lap top :)
I was rather surprised to see items come out not bagged or boxed. The items in his arms are office type..files, manila envelpes, etc.

[jmflu]

I'm still here. I still plan to change my username. If I forget, ha ha, just remind me.
:)

Just like you didn't leave, you shouldn't change your username. We'll be suspicious of every newbie joining now and figure out if it's you! LOL

[wirehair]

welcome seeker

[raisincharlie]

Welcome Seeker 78! Hope you put your opinions out there and any insight you might have.

Also, to everyone who has offered...it is on Youtube. It was a WTVD clip and they have disabled this one clip on their website. It is played several times on the 10 minute clip...the 1st time i saw it was at 2:31, but several times after as well.
Thanks for offering to do it..you will see how many items were not placed in a brown bag.
Here is the link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSze8jw62E

You will notice also a moving van down from the house. I remembered seeing it when I went by the day the search was being conducted. I thought this was strange...just happen to have a moving van sitting there?

Looking at the Wake County records - the house down the street was very recently purchased - folks moving in - bet they were wondering if they should be moving out !

[FullDisclosure]

I flipped my laptop over right away and I have the same stickers on my bottom side. Not my BOTTOM :eek:,but my lap top :)
I was rather surprised to see items come out not bagged or boxed. The items in his arms are office type..files, manila envelpes, etc.

....getting a mirror to see what stickers I have on my bottom...:crazy:

[raisincharlie]

Welcome Seeker 78! Hope you put your opinions out there and any insight you might have.

Also, to everyone who has offered...it is on Youtube. It was a WTVD clip and they have disabled this one clip on their website. It is played several times on the 10 minute clip...the 1st time i saw it was at 2:31, but several times after as well.
Thanks for offering to do it..you will see how many items were not placed in a brown bag.
Here is the link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSze8jw62E

You will notice also a moving van down from the house. I remembered seeing it when I went by the day the search was being conducted. I thought this was strange...just happen to have a moving van sitting there?

Mom - you should have put a warning on this - Danger - Nancy Grace. Ruined my dinner :crazy:

[momto3kids]

I'll have a look and see if I can't pull out a screen shot!

[Edit: I think I got it!]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6001/caylee1mz1.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caylee1mz1.jpg)

The video is much clearer, so I recommend you watch it, but that's definitely a laptop the officer is carrying.

Thank YOU...see you are an asset already! It is a laptop, but I'm surprised it is not boxed along with all the papers he brought out. Wonder how much more was brought out?

Can you make it larger and put it under photo's? You might have to put it on photobucket. If you can't I understand....

[SleuthyGal]

I watched it 3 times now. I cannot tell what that black thing is.

[raisincharlie]

I'll have a look and see if I can't pull out a screen shot!

[Edit: I think I got it!]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6001/caylee1mz1.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caylee1mz1.jpg)

The video is much clearer, so I recommend you watch it, but that's definitely a laptop the officer is carrying.

Hello seeker and welcome. :)

[momto3kids]

I see Seeker78, you have hosting. I was able to click on it to make it larger. The LE arms are full of items....thanks again.

[momto3kids]

I watched it 3 times now. I cannot tell what that black thing is.

I watched the entire 10 minutes and it kept showing up. I stopped it several times and checked my stickers...I have 10 on the bottom of mine. Some very small, but still 10? I didn't know until I counted them..:eek:

[SleuthyGal]

I watched the entire 10 minutes and it kept showing up. I stopped it several times and checked my stickers...I have 10 on the bottom of mine. Some very small, but still 10? I didn't know until I counted them..:eek: Yeah there's a bunch on mine too. Not 10, but maybe 5.

[momto3kids]

OT....but I sure wish I had the red tin/metal roof home right now in Lochmere with the heavy rain that is coming down. I'd be asleep in a minute!!

[SleuthyGal]

FYI on a whole other note...I've noticed that when the camera shows BC's hands at the press conf. there is NO bruising or scratches on his hands. If he did it and if there was BFT then he probably didn't use his hands (weapon of some kind?). IMHO.

[momto3kids]

FYI on a whole other note...I've noticed that when the camera shows BC's hands at the press conf. there is NO bruising or scratches on his hands. If he did it and if there was BFT then he probably didn't use his hands (weapon of some kind?). IMHO.

I noticed that too...he kept them in front of the camera. Maybe he thought ahead to make sure his hands were protected? Let's just hope she got his arms like some suspect she might have.

I still think something was done to her face for the ME to need dental records. Say 62 hours or so later and dental records are needed?

[raisincharlie]

I noticed that too...he kept them in front of the camera. Maybe he thought ahead to make sure his hands were protected? Let's just hope she got his arms like some suspect she might have.

I still think something was done to her face for the ME to need dental records. Say 62 hours or so later and dental records are needed?

As painful as this is to say, remember that the man who found her also found vultures in the area - they drew his attention. These birds can do a significant amount of damage to soft tissues very quickly especially around the eyes and face.

[SleuthyGal]

As painful as this is to say, remember that the man who found her also found vultures in the area - they drew his attention. These birds can do a significant amount of damage to soft tissues very quickly especially around the eyes and face. Good point {shudder though}. The autopsy report should definitively answer that.

[raisincharlie]

Good point {shudder though}. The autopsy report should definitively answer that.


It will indeed. It is not going to be an easy autopsy report to read I suspect.

[SleuthyGal]

It will indeed. It is not going to be an easy autopsy report to read I suspect. No, absolutely not. But neither was Michelle Young's or Eve Carson's. :frown:

[seeker78]

http://www.freebsddiary.org/images/ibm-thinkpad-t41/access.jpg

Here's an example of the bottom of a thinkpad (similar color to the laptop pictured).

[raisincharlie]

No, absolutely not. But neither was Michelle Young's or Eve Carson's. :frown:

I don't like reading them, they usually make me very angry.

[SleuthyGal]

Here's an example of the bottom of a thinkpad (similar color to the laptop pictured).

awesome! thanks!!

[jumpstreet]

It will indeed. It is not going to be an easy autopsy report to read I suspect.

When is the autopsy scheduled to be released?
When would it "normally" be released?

[ As far as I know, it hasn't even been completed (much less sealed) in the moment, so officially, it's still being "completed" by the ME. ]

Do autopsy's (along with DNA/forensic analysis) also take months (or years?) to complete typically?

PS: 3 SW's scheduled to be made public in 3 business days (unless something unusual and extraordinary occurs) [ Not that anyone here has to be reminded of that... :) ]

[momto3kids]

You are great Seeker78! I am about certain it is a laptop like I thought it was the 1st time I saw it. My surprise is WTVD it not allowing the video to be played as well as my 2nd surprise is these items didn't come out in a box....

[raisincharlie]

When is the autopsy scheduled to be released?
When would it "normally" be released?

[ As far as I know, it hasn't even been completed (much less sealed) in the moment, so officially, it's still being "completed" by the ME. ]

Do autopsy's (along with DA/forensic analysis) also take months (or years?) to complete typically?

Can't say all of them take this long - however what I have seen that come out of Chapel Hill seem to average about 2 months. Don't know if it will be sealed or not. Eve Carsons was for a while.

ETA - all forensic analysis is conducted elsewhere - the ME does not do these types of tests (DNA) - bloodwork and some minor tox work is it for the ME.

[SleuthyGal]

When is the autopsy scheduled to be released?
When would it "normally" be released?

[ As far as I know, it hasn't even been completed (much less sealed) in the moment, so officially, it's still being "completed" by the ME. ]

Paperwork normally completed within 90 days. The autopsy itself normally done within 24 hrs. The reports are not sealed as a matter of normal business. The DA *can* seek to have an autopsy sealed if they can show cause for such an action.

[momto3kids]

It was also told I believe that Chapel Hill ME will call and say it is on its way...send it thru the mail...like it is nothing. I thought I also heard most of it is already known just had to have the signature on it, when the ME decides to sit down and sign it. Is this correct?

[SleuthyGal]

I thought I also heard most of it is already known just had to have the signature on it, when the ME decides to sit down and sign it. Is this correct?

I heard that it isn't considered complete UNTIL the ME signs it. Meaning, it could be fully typed and ready to go, but without the ME's signature on it then it isn't considered 'final/complete' and cannot be disseminated. Whether that is the case with NC's autopsy I don't know and didn't hear anything about that. However, LE would already know COD and other details as the ME would communicate with them verbally and sometimes LE will even witness an autopsy (they do in CA, don't know about NC).

[raisincharlie]

It was also told I believe that Chapel Hill ME will call and say it is on its way...send it thru the mail...like it is nothing. I thought I also heard most of it is already known just had to have the signature on it, when the ME decides to sit down and sign it. Is this correct?

The ME's office faxed Michelle Youngs autopsy report to WRAL and the N & O - within minutes of it being signed by the ME. Yes, it is not considered complete until it is signed.

For your information - should you wish to view the autopsy and the photos yourself - you may make an appointment at the ME's office once it has been completed. You do not need to be a relative - but expect LE to contact you asking why you went to view it. The photos will not be included with the report issued for public release.

[SleuthyGal]

For your information - should you wish to view the autopsy and the photos yourself - you may make an appointment at the ME's office once it has been completed. You do not need to be a relative - but expect LE to contact you asking why you went to view it. The photos will not be included with the report issued for public release.

Now that I did not know (about the ability to make appt part). Ummm wow. No thank you. Squeamish x 2. Text is plenty...more than enough.

[momto3kids]

The ME's office faxed Michelle Youngs autopsy report to WRAL and the N & O - within minutes of it being signed by the ME. Yes, it is not considered complete until it is signed.

For your information - should you wish to view the autopsy and the photos yourself - you may make an appointment at the ME's office once it has been completed. You do not need to be a relative - but expect LE to contact you asking why you went to view it. The photos will not be included with the report issued for public release.

Are you saying for general purpose to review the autopsy and photo's or are you saying me personally? I have never indicated that I have wanted to see any of it except thru the public media.

[SleuthyGal]

I always wondered if I got called for a jury trial (never have before) and it was a murder case and they put up those autopsy photos like they usually do at a trial if I wouldn't end up being dismissed because I wouldn't be able to really look/study it because ewwwww. That's not something asked during voire dire, right? (how 'squeamish' are you?) Me: "really, really squeamish." "This potential juror is dismissed!"

[SleuthyGal]

Are you saying for general purpose to review the autopsy and photo's or are you saying me personally? I have never indicated that I have wanted to see anyone of it except thru the public media.

I think he's using the royal 'you' not you, personally. (although I suppose you are rather royal, eh?)

[raisincharlie]

Are you saying for general purpose to review the autopsy and photo's or are you saying me personally? I have never indicated that I have wanted to see anyone of it except thru the public media.

For general purpose - not meaning you personally.

[raisincharlie]

I always wondered if I got called for a jury trial (never have before) and it was a murder case and they put up those autopsy photos like they usually do at a trial if I wouldn't end up being dismissed because I wouldn't be able to really look/study it because ewwwww. That's not something asked during voire dire, right? (how 'squeamish' are you?) Me: "really, really squeamish." "This potential juror is dismissed!"

It is an extremely difficult thing to do but you might be surprised how your mind realizes it as a duty.

[SleuthyGal]

It is an extremely difficult thing to do but you might be surprised how your mind realizes it as a duty. Perhaps so. Since I've never been called before (in any of the states I've lived) I think my chances of being called are actually quite low.

[sunflowers]

I'll have a look and see if I can't pull out a screen shot!

[Edit: I think I got it!]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6001/caylee1mz1.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caylee1mz1.jpg)

The video is much clearer, so I recommend you watch it, but that's definitely a laptop the officer is carrying.

thanks so much! Great help & definitely a laptop. i'm going to go check on houses that recently sold near Nancy's house. That moving van seems strange..... and i also remember it from that day....

[momto3kids]

I think he's using the royal 'you' not you, personally. (although I suppose you are rather royal, eh?)
No...not royal at all.

I just know the autopsies I have been to, some dictate immediately their findings. They usually find the cause of death or don't leave until they do, because they need to release the body to the family. So I guess what I am saying is the ME most likely knew the COD within a day or two. It is a shame to make this linger on.

[sunflowers]

OT....but I sure wish I had the red tin/metal roof home right now in Lochmere with the heavy rain that is coming down. I'd be asleep in a minute!!

but remember the horrible fuss about that house? neighbors HATED that roof & how bright it stood out. i always have loved it....

OT--you all know western Wake Co & RDU & northern Wake Co has flood warnings until 1:30 a.m......

[momto3kids]

Perhaps so. Since I've never been called before (in any of the states I've lived) I think my chances of being called are actually quite low.

SG....I said that this summer while I took another Sociology class...guess what I got the next day after I stated that :confused:
Yup:eek: Jury Duty!
Guess what else...I couldn't find a parking spot and arrived a tad late...got in trouble and put at the top of the list for another date..coming up in NOVEMBER!! Now I assume I will be number 1 when they send me my next confirmed date...:rolleyes:

[SleuthyGal]

No...not royal at all.

I just know the autopsies I have been to, some dictate immediately their findings. They usually find the cause of death or don't leave until they do, because they need to release the body to the family. So I guess what I am saying is the ME most likely knew the COD within a day or two. It is a shame to make this linger on.

I was joking about the royal part, btw. Yes, the ME would typically know by the end of the autopsy the cause of death UNLESS it was drugs or poisoning and then they would need to get the tox screen back to know for sure. So they would have verbally communicated COD and other details to LE and then work on that report...yes, their verbal recording would be transcribed.

The PA coroner/ME called my parents as soon as they were done with the autopsy on my brother to tell them COD/estimated TOD. That is typical, esp. in non-homicide cases. The written report, which my parents did not request a copy of was likely done 30 - 60 days later and a death cert. was mailed to them.

[sunflowers]

SG....I said that this summer while I took another Sociology class...guess what I got the next day after I stated that :confused:
Yup:eek: Jury Duty!
Guess what else...I couldn't find a parking spot and arrived a tad late...got in trouble and put at the top of the list for another date..coming up in NOVEMBER!! Now I assume I will be number 1 when they send me my next confirmed date...:rolleyes:

new rule in wake county that you only have to serve jury duty once every 2 years. i've been called for jury duty tons of times, so i'm grateful for this new rule....

[momto3kids]

but remember the horrible fuss about that house? neighbors HATED that roof & how bright it stood out. i always have loved it....

OT--you all know western Wake Co & RDU & northern Wake Co has flood warnings until 1:30 a.m......
I absolutely love it....a beautiful white plantation home!
Just like the 'shiny diner' Cary town leaders didn't want...LOL

[jmflu]

new rule in wake county that you only have to serve jury duty once every 2 years. i've been called for jury duty tons of times, so i'm grateful for this new rule....

I wonder why some people get called several times and others never get called at all? I haven't, either...

OT, I posted a link to AL's new book...

[SleuthyGal]

SG....I said that this summer while I took another Sociology class...guess what I got the next day after I stated that :confused:
Yup:eek: Jury Duty!

so I may have just jinxed myself and my perfect record of having never been called? :-O

[sunflowers]

thanks so much! Great help & definitely a laptop. i'm going to go check on houses that recently sold near Nancy's house. That moving van seems strange..... and i also remember it from that day....

coopers were at 104 wallsberg court. 106 wallsburg court sold on 5/21/08; the previous sold house in that area of the neighborhood was last august 07. moving van might have been connected with #106

[jmflu]

so I may have just jinxed myself and my perfect record of having never been called? :-O

And me.... lol

[sunflowers]

I wonder why some people get called several times and others never get called at all? I haven't, either...

OT, I posted a link to AL's new book...

i believe that they get the jury folks from voter registrations in wake co. if you're a registered voter, you're in the potential jury pool.

[sunflowers]

I was joking about the royal part, btw. Yes, the ME would typically know by the end of the autopsy the cause of death UNLESS it was drugs or poisoning and then they would need to get the tox screen back to know for sure. So they would have verbally communicated COD and other details to LE and then work on that report...yes, their verbal recording would be transcribed.

The PA coroner/ME called my parents as soon as they were done with the autopsy on my brother to tell them COD/estimated TOD. That is typical, esp. in non-homicide cases. The written report, which my parents did not request a copy of was likely done 30 - 60 days later and a death cert. was mailed to them.

and LE & the Judge had that info, i believe, when temporary custody was decided.

[SleuthyGal]

and LE & the Judge had that info, i believe, when temporary custody was decided.

Oh I hadn't thought of the judge having the info. We were told that the family might not have any info relating to COD--I thought the ME would call and tell the family but in a homicide case in NC that is not true.

[momto3kids]

so I may have just jinxed myself and my perfect record of having never been called? :-O
It jinxed ME!!! The very next day. I never was called my entire life...hubby has a few times. Now I await for Nov. to see what my number is..I bet it is less than 10.

[maconrich]

The ME's office faxed Michelle Youngs autopsy report to WRAL and the N & O - within minutes of it being signed by the ME. Yes, it is not considered complete until it is signed.

For your information - should you wish to view the autopsy and the photos yourself - you may make an appointment at the ME's office once it has been completed. You do not need to be a relative - but expect LE to contact you asking why you went to view it. The photos will not be included with the report issued for public release.

This is something I've wondered about -- from your message I'm taking it that the photos are not considered public record in North Carolina, right?? I remember how hard T. Earnhardt fought in FL to get the law passed there so Dale's photos wouldn't be released (and most likely posted on the internet by some freak). But I wasn't sure about North Carolina laws...

[momto3kids]

coopers were at 104 wallsberg court. 106 wallsburg court sold on 5/21/08; the previous sold house in that area of the neighborhood was last august 07. moving van might have been connected with #106
I know I saw it during the search when I went by and now the video shows it. It is just weird to have it there when the situation next door is occuring. Almost 60 days later and a moving van? I guess it is reasonable, but questionable too?:waitasec:

[raisincharlie]

This is something I've wondered about -- from your message I'm taking it that the photos are not considered public record in North Carolina, right?? I remember how hard T. Earnhardt fought in FL to get the law passed there so Dale's photos wouldn't be released (and most likely posted on the internet by some freak). But I wasn't sure about North Carolina laws...

The photo's are not released with the public report in NC - except to LE and the DA per NC code. They are available for review but no copies are allowed as I understand it.

[SleuthyGal]

This is something I've wondered about -- from your message I'm taking it that the photos are not considered public record in North Carolina, right?? I don't know of any state that routinely releases autopsy photos along with the report to the public. I'm not saying there aren't any states that do, just that I've never heard of one. And, not all states even make the autopsy report a matter of public record. PA doesn't, for instance.

[The Saint]

if it was a bloodstain, then BC would be locked up right now. Assuming her cause of death was blunt force trauma, which IIRC we haven't even seen a cause of death.

i'm not convinced that it is not a bloodstain.
it may be that the CPD are still building the case before making the arrest.

all brad said that is that she was going to take a run.
if the evidence supports an attack in the house, he'll say he was in another part of the house when the attack by a stranger occurred.

he will fit his alibi based on what the evidence reveals.

nancy could have been murdered at the house
and then subjected to another attack at the site where she was found. some wounds could be post mortem.

she may have been mortally wounded in the house and later died at the construction site. she may have been attacked further at the site where her body was found and it could have been staged.


i am interested in knowing at what point the car floor mat was put on the driveway.
was it put there by brad or the investigators?
what car did it come from - nancy's or brad?

was brad attempting to wash it off?

i'll try to look through the slideshow.

if something else catches my eye, i'll post it. you may have already talked about it.

[SleuthyGal]

I know I saw it during the search when I went by and now the video shows it. It is just weird to have it there when the situation next door is occuring. Almost 60 days later and a moving van? I guess it is reasonable, but questionable too?:waitasec:

Sellers may have negotiated a rent back from the buyers...esp. if buyers were coming in from out of state and had flexibility. I did that for the sellers when I bought my house in CA. They stayed (rented back) for almost 2 months after closing!

[maconrich]

The photo's are not released with the public report in NC - except to LE and the DA per NC code. They are available for review but no copies are allowed as I understand it.



Excellent and totally as it should be!!! TY!!!!

Sleuthy - until Earnhardt was killed (and Teresa helped push legislation banning it) the photos were public record - and released - in Florida. That's how pictures of Neil Bonnetts pics were plastered on the internet (and who knows how many other peoples for that matter)

[momto3kids]

Sellers may have negotiated a rent back from the buyers...esp. if buyers were coming in from out of state and had flexibility. I did that for the sellers when I bought my house in CA. They stayed (rented back) for almost 2 months after closing!

True...what a welcome to your new home they received with crime tape wrapped around the next door neighbors home...

NITE all...

[The Saint]

The lampshade has got to be either somebody's mind playing tricks on them or a pattern in the shade. It ain't blood, that is for sure.

you don't know that.

it is a pattern that is dark red. it is not my imagination.

it is visible. it can replicated.

it could be in the fabric pattern of the shade. it could be a digital artifact. it could be fingerpaint, jam, or smashed bug guts.

it could be nancy's blood.

the male investigator on camera right seems to be looking straight at it while the woman videographer shoots the foyer interior.

brad could have mopped the floor and missed the splatter on the shade.

he was in a hurry and under stress. he had 2 little girls in the house and he had just killed his wife.

[raisincharlie]

Excellent and totally as it should be!!! TY!!!!

Sleuthy - until Earnhardt was killed (and Teresa helped push legislation banning it) the photos were public record - and released - in Florida. That's how pictures of Neil Bonnetts pics were plastered on the internet (and who knows how many other peoples for that matter)

If you are interested here is a link to OCME at Chapel Hill:

http://www.ocme.unc.edu/

Under rules and guidelines your questions are addressed. One thing I found quite interesting is the certification from the ME that is required before a body may be cremated, which Nancy was.

[jmflu]

If you are interested here is a link to OCME at Chapel Hill:

http://www.ocme.unc.edu/

Under rules and guidelines your questions are addressed. One thing I found quite interesting is the certification from the ME that is required before a body may be cremated, which Nancy was.

I am interested, how did we find out she was cremated? Everyone seemed to know at JJ, but I had asked on the forum and no one answered. I was under the impression the urn was just representative at her memorial.

[sunflowers]

I know I saw it during the search when I went by and now the video shows it. It is just weird to have it there when the situation next door is occuring. Almost 60 days later and a moving van? I guess it is reasonable, but questionable too?:waitasec:

unless people are doing a ton of work inside the house, they usually move in shortly after closing. old owners obviously must move out before closing unless they are paying new owners to stay there another month or two. possible, but seemed a bit wierd w the timing

[raisincharlie]

I am interested, how did we find out she was cremated? Everyone seemed to know at JJ, but I had asked on the forum and no one answered. I was under the impression the urn was just representative at her memorial.

Several articles stated "her ashes" including articles from Edmonton resources. Assuming the press in NC and Edmonton is accurate I suppose.

[jmflu]

Several articles stated "her ashes" including articles from Edmonton resources. Assuming the press in NC and Edmonton is accurate I suppose.


Oh wow, I thought I was up on the articles! Shows what I know...

[raisincharlie]

Oh wow, I thought I was up on the articles! Shows what I know...

Let me see if I can pull you a link or two - brb will add here.

Here is one: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d1b2056f-49cd-41f7-93a4-5c84f9127149

And a second one : http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=252cbefc-9512-4b37-bac9-879364ed7420


These links were provided to me by a very good friend for who I am grateful.

[maconrich]

If you are interested here is a link to OCME at Chapel Hill:

http://www.ocme.unc.edu/

Under rules and guidelines your questions are addressed. One thing I found quite interesting is the certification from the ME that is required before a body may be cremated, which Nancy was.

Thanks! Very interesting indeed. So although the ME has to certify that he's inquired into the cause and the manner of death and that no further examination is necessary, this doesn't mean his/her findings have to be completed prior to cremation, correct? The other thing is the release of the remains which makes me wonder if it's possible that NC did have a will (as one of her friends stated). Otherwise it seems clear BC would have received them (or signed them over to her family). Granted this part is only relevant if her ashes were in the urn at the memorial in Canada...
ETA - I see the ashes have being discussed while I've been reading and typing. Will have to check out the articles!

[raisincharlie]

Thanks! Very interesting indeed. So although the ME has to certify that he's inquired into the cause and the manner of death and that no further examination is necessary, this doesn't mean his/her findings have to be completed prior to cremation, correct? The other thing is the release of the remains which makes me wonder if it's possible that NC did have a will (as one of her friends stated). Otherwise it seems clear BC would have received them (or signed them over to her family). Granted this part is only relevant if her ashes were in the urn at the memorial in Canada...

The ME would have his findings completed, not necessarily in written form but he would have known that all samples requested by LE were also collected and submitted to SBI for processing.

I doubt Brad would have argued about the release of her body or the disposition of it. He would hav elost the argument for the same reasons he lost his children.

She was cremated.

[maconrich]

The ME would have his findings completed, not necessarily in written form but he would have known that all samples requested by LE were also collected and submitted to SBI for processing.

I doubt Brad would have argued about the release of her body or the disposition of it. He would hav elost the argument for the same reasons he lost his children.

She was cremated.

Got it, thank you! And sad to say I doubt he would have much cared. If he could't bring himself to attend even one memorial service, it doesn't seem like he'd want to bother himself with having to go pick up her ashes (or have them sitting in him house/scattering them) :rolleyes:

Those articles absolutely indicate the urn contained her ashes -- that's good. At least her parents will treat her remains with the respect they deserve!

[raisincharlie]

Got it, thank you! And sad to say I doubt he would have much cared. If he could't bring himself to attend even one memorial service, it doesn't seem like he'd want to bother himself with having to go pick up her ashes (or have them sitting in him house/scattering them) :rolleyes:

Those articles absolutely indicate the urn contained her ashes -- that's good. At least her parents will treat her remains with the respect they deserve!

Reading his affidavits, he didn't have much respect for her in life IMO, I doubt death would have brought any respect either. She is home, where she belongs.

[maconrich]

Reading his affidavits, he didn't have much respect for her in life IMO, I doubt death would have brought any respect either. She is home, where she belongs.

Word!!

[SleuthyGal]

Reading his affidavits, he didn't have much respect for her in life IMO, I doubt death would have brought any respect either. She is home, where she belongs.

Yes she is. It's just so sad that finally getting back to Canada required she be dead and cremated to achieve her homecoming. :mad:

[maconrich]

Is this close to what the stair set up is (obviously not the model or the house but it's what I've been picturing based on the conversations). The master bedroom would be off to the right; the "loft" the center part of the picture and the other bedrooms off to the left (all directions looking at the picture)
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/swainrich/stairs.jpg

[The Saint]

in at least 7 photographs, nancy is wearing the same pair of diamond stud earrings.
she even wore them at the beach.
did she run in them?

did she remove them when she went to bed?
when she showered?
were they missing from her body?
was her wedding ring missing?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperewelry8.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperjewelry6.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperjewelryfamily.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperjewelry4.jpg

[SueY]

In my, non homicide, experience, it's not unusual for a coroner to release a body to the family before a cause of death is established. If a COD is not apparent in the first day or two of having the body, they can take tissue and fluid samples, release the body, and continue with their tests. This may not, of course, be the case in a murder, and/or when a body is not found for a period of days.

[The Saint]

Cooper ADT alarm and lights, exterior and interior --- what was the norm?
did nancy or brad normally turn off the exterior lights when they got up in the morning?
did they normally turn on the foyer light in the morning?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperlights.jpg

[The Saint]

NCNative was right, what i thought was a stain in one photo and a Slim Jim in another photo was the actually a rubber car floor mat.

But how did it get in the driveway? did the investigators pull it out?
from which vehicle did it come from?
did brad attempt to wash it?
did it come from the driver's side, front passenger or one of the 2 rear passenger floor?


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopercar.jpg

was this photo taken before or after the investigators had searched the silver SUV or before?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopermat.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopercar2.jpg

[The Saint]

mystery bag.
what is inside the tall bag?
it could be a rolled rug like someone suggested, although it seems to have a metallic grey color and does not have a coil like a rolled up rug.

it's not the table lamp in the foyer w/ the possible bloodstain on the shade. that had a black iron base.

could it be a silk tree with a wicker basket base?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopertallbag.jpg

[fran]

In my, non homicide, experience, it's not unusual for a coroner to release a body to the family before a cause of death is established. If a COD is not apparent in the first day or two of having the body, they can take tissue and fluid samples, release the body, and continue with their tests. This may not, of course, be the case in a murder, and/or when a body is not found for a period of days.

I KNOW that in a murder/suicide, when COD is obvious, the 'victim's' remains will be released within one to two days. (The perp,.... I don't give a chit! :mad:)

I KNOW this is pure speculation on Nancy's part, but I've surmised she died of blunt force trauma. IMO, they made an educated guess as to the COD, as they immediately said it was an 'isolated incident.' (imo, they knew what they were looking at.)

JMHO
fran

[SueY]

I KNOW that in a murder/suicide, when COD is obvious, the 'victim's' remains will be released within one to two days. (The perp,.... I don't give a chit! :mad:)
I KNOW this is pure speculation on Nancy's part, but I've surmised she died of blunt force trauma. IMO, they made an educated guess as to the COD, as they immediately said it was an 'isolated incident.' (imo, they knew what they were looking at.)
JMHO
fran
I haven't formed any concrete thoughts about the COD for Nancy, but I don't discount your speculation, Fran. I doubt it took fluid and tissue samples to determine her COD.

[SleuthyGal]

Cooper ADT alarm and lights, exterior and interior --- what was the norm?
did nancy or brad normally turn off the exterior lights when they got up in the morning?
did they normally turn on the foyer light in the morning?

FYI, just because someone has an ADT sticker doesn't mean they have the service enabled.

As for the lights...hard to say because investigators are on-site and may have turned some on.

[SleuthyGal]

mystery bag.
what is inside the tall bag?
it could be a rolled rug like someone suggested, although it seems to have a metallic grey color and does not have a coil like a rolled up rug.

it's not the table lamp in the foyer w/ the possible bloodstain on the shade. that had a black iron base.

could it be a silk tree with a wicker basket base?



A silk tree w/basket base is heavy, esp. at the base. I had a 6' silk ficus tree with basket base and that sucker could not have been carried with one arm even by a man, and certainly not at the place where he grasped it as a lot of it's extra weight is in that base so it won't tip over. Nope, I'm going w/Mom's theory that it's a window valance or possibly a bed rail. Right size, right shape, the bottom looks like it forms part of an 'L'...it looks slightly rounded, esp. on that corner. IMHO.

[SleuthyGal]

As for stickers on the x5, I wonder if those things are hidden by that shadow/dark bar across the top?

[SleuthyGal]

I haven't formed any concrete thoughts about the COD for Nancy, but I don't discount your speculation, Fran. I doubt it took fluid and tissue samples to determine her COD.

I agree. Two obvious causes of death for the ME would be BFT and strangulation. Of course GSW (gunshot wound) would also be obvious as would a stabbing, but my theory is COD will be either BFT or strangulation.

[SleuthyGal]

Saint, just want to say I really appreciate your taking the time to enhance photos and point things out that pique your interest. You do have an eye for detail! :clap:

[jmflu]

Let me see if I can pull you a link or two - brb will add here.

Here is one: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d1b2056f-49cd-41f7-93a4-5c84f9127149

And a second one : http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=252cbefc-9512-4b37-bac9-879364ed7420


These links were provided to me by a very good friend for who I am grateful.


Thanks for these, RC!

[jmflu]

And a second one : http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=252cbefc-9512-4b37-bac9-879364ed7420


Here's a quote from the story that illustrates what I was afraid of if the warrants were unsealed:


The friend tells the 911 operator that Cooper was in the middle of a divorce that was creating "tension" for the couple.

In a news release, Brad Cooper's lawyers, said the "leaks appear calculated to do nothing more than inflame already raw emotions. They instigate a rush to judgment at a time when reason and restraint should prevail."

[momto3kids]

Is this close to what the stair set up is (obviously not the model or the house but it's what I've been picturing based on the conversations). The master bedroom would be off to the right; the "loft" the center part of the picture and the other bedrooms off to the left (all directions looking at the picture)
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/swainrich/stairs.jpg

NO, their staircase is up against the front of the house with the small window. This picture has a circular one in a large open foyer. The staircase has no balcony in the Charleston. The Chesterfield might have a small balcony if you enter the staircase somewhere else besides the foyer.

[SleuthyGal]

Here's a quote from the story that illustrates what I was afraid of if the warrants were unsealed:


The friend tells the 911 operator that Cooper was in the middle of a divorce that was creating "tension" for the couple.

In a news release, Brad Cooper's lawyers, said the "leaks appear calculated to do nothing more than inflame already raw emotions. They instigate a rush to judgment at a time when reason and restraint should prevail."

SWs aren't leaks though. And the unsealing of them after nearly 2 months is not a 'rush' either. Plus ever since the O.J. case just about every defense attorney uses the 'rush to judgment' statement as if that wasn't overly used already in 1995.

[momto3kids]

A silk tree w/basket base is heavy, esp. at the base. I had a 6' silk ficus tree with basket base and that sucker could not have been carried with one arm even by a man, and certainly not at the place where he grasped it as a lot of it's extra weight is in that base so it won't tip over. Nope, I'm going w/Mom's theory that it's a window valance or possibly a bed rail. Right size, right shape, the bottom looks like it forms part of an 'L'...it looks slightly rounded, esp. on that corner. IMHO.

I agree about a heavy bottom base since both of mine had what I think was some concrete in it since it was top heavy.
There is a large leaf silk plant in their formal living room you can see on the clip I posted last night. Not as top heavy as a ficus would have been since this type plant you spread the stems apart, so maybe not as bottom heavy?

I still go with a valance/roman shade because of the length and weight. This man does not have a grasp on it to represent a heavy bottom. It is coming out the same time as what looks like a pillow.

[momto3kids]

you don't know that.

it is a pattern that is dark red. it is not my imagination.

it could be in the fabric pattern of the shade. it could be a digital artifact. it could be fingerpaint, jam, or smashed bug guts.

it could be nancy's blood.



It won't be blood. Blood or any fluid of any type will only head south, could take a turn to the left or right, but will NOT loop over itself unless drawn that way.

If it was just a dark spot, yes could be blood. Run down the shade, and curve along a grain of the fabric, yes could be blood. But to turn north and loop on itself? Never.

No matter what force or amount it won't head anywhere but south. Have you ever splashed water on a mirror, which way did it head?

[Star12]

SWs aren't leaks though. And the unsealing of them after nearly 2 months is not a 'rush' either. Plus ever since the O.J. case just about every defense attorney uses the 'rush to judgment' statement as if that wasn't overly used already in 1995.

Search Warrants typically are NOT sealed. Sealing a warrant is done for a reason, and of course we are not privy to that information. I think that LE, the judge, and the DA have the matter firmly in hand, and know what they are doing, and the reasons for doing it.

We are all anxiously awaiting the unsealing on Tuesday, of course. Unless something "extraordinarily unusual" happens between now and then.

[CyberPro]

It won't be blood. Blood or any fluid of any type will only head south, could take a turn to the left or right, but will NOT loop over itself unless drawn that way.

If it was just a dark spot, yes could be blood. Run down the shade, and curve along a grain of the fabric, yes could be blood. But to turn north and loop on itself? Never.

No matter what force or amount it won't head anywhere but south. Have you ever splashed water on a mirror, which way did it head?

Mom,

I agree with what you are saying, and understand the science behind blood splatter analysis. I also doubt this is blood, but I can envision a situation where blood could leave a similar pattern.

If someone were using an object, like a baseball bat for example. After a couple of hits where there was an accumulation of blood on the bat it could cause a single glob of blood to be deposited either on the backswing or the downswing.

MOO,

CyberPro

[CyberPro]

Saint, just want to say I really appreciate your taking the time to enhance photos and point things out that pique your interest. You do have an eye for detail! :clap:

Sleuthy,

I agree, I had looked at the pictures, but the enhancements and close-ups have made me see things that I had not noticed before.

CyberPro

[CyberPro]

mystery bag.
what is inside the tall bag?
it could be a rolled rug like someone suggested, although it seems to have a metallic grey color and does not have a coil like a rolled up rug.

it's not the table lamp in the foyer w/ the possible bloodstain on the shade. that had a black iron base.

could it be a silk tree with a wicker basket base?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopertallbag.jpg

WOW Saint,

Excellent job with these pictures!!

Up until you enlarged these, I did not realize that the bottom of the long bag was open ended. Based upon this excellent work, I would state with 99% confidence that the item in the longer bag is a bed frame. At least one of the rails that support the box springs of the bed, it could be the entire frame (lower portion, obviously not the headboard, etc.)

resaons for this are:

1. There are apparent slots in the wider plate that are visible, these allow the headboard to be attached to the frame.

2. A frame like this is long. It can be shortened a bit, or sometimes partially folded for shipping, but it is normally long like the object in the bag.

3. It is not very heavy, and can be easily carried by someone.

CyberPro

[CyberPro]

NCNative was right, what i thought was a stain in one photo and a Slim Jim in another photo was the actually a rubber car floor mat.

But how did it get in the driveway? did the investigators pull it out?
from which vehicle did it come from?
did brad attempt to wash it?
did it come from the driver's side, front passenger or one of the 2 rear passenger floor?


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopercar.jpg

was this photo taken before or after the investigators had searched the silver SUV or before?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopermat.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopercar2.jpg


I think the missing stickers are either really missing, as in never been applied to the plate, or they could have placed them on the bottom of the plate, which is NOT where they are supposed to be, and they are covered by the frame that is around the plate.

Has anyone noticed if the other car has the stickers in the correct locations?

I do not think the stickers could have been removed, once they stick, they are really stuck. It takes a lot of effort to get them off, and usually results in a scratched plate.

Missing those either could mean that it is a leased vehicle and they have a special exemption, or they just left them attached to the registration. This would be a problem IMO, it looks like you would get pulled over frequently to explain your actions to the local constabulary. I believe that you would receive at least a warning, and possibly a citation.

CyberPro

[tarheellvr]

[QUOTE=The Saint;2570123]mystery bag.
what is inside the tall bag?
it could be a rolled rug like someone suggested, although it seems to have a metallic grey color and does not have a coil like a rolled up rug.

it's not the table lamp in the foyer w/ the possible bloodstain on the shade. that had a black iron base.

could it be a silk tree with a wicker basket base?

I have a floor lamp in our living room with a brass base that looks a lot like this. The base, although round, it taller than it is wide. There are "rings" one on top of each other....hence the design. The actual pole is quite thin, with one stained glass shade which is easily removed, especially if it is moved. When the glass shade is removed, it looks about this height as the shade itself constitutes at least a few feet by itself.

Although a bit heavy, I can pick it up myself and I do have arthritis/joint issues.

[raisincharlie]

Here's a quote from the story that illustrates what I was afraid of if the warrants were unsealed:


The friend tells the 911 operator that Cooper was in the middle of a divorce that was creating "tension" for the couple.

In a news release, Brad Cooper's lawyers, said the "leaks appear calculated to do nothing more than inflame already raw emotions. They instigate a rush to judgment at a time when reason and restraint should prevail."

I believe this is a direct reference to the 911 tapes that were released. This is not a leak of information but every defense lawyer will claim it to be. The release of these tapes is ruled under FOA. Perhaps his lawyer should be a bit more concerned about Brad's own statements i.e. about the heated argument in February 2008 that Brad references, which was apparently loud enough the neighbors came over to see if they wanted the children taken away for a bit. IMO it relates more to the custody issue than the murder. No need for him to whine - his own client issued some rather telling affidavits.

[raisincharlie]

I think the missing stickers are either really missing, as in never been applied to the plate, or they could have placed them on the bottom of the plate, which is NOT where they are supposed to be, and they are covered by the frame that is around the plate.

Has anyone noticed if the other car has the stickers in the correct locations?

I do not think the stickers could have been removed, once they stick, they are really stuck. It takes a lot of effort to get them off, and usually results in a scratched plate.

Missing those either could mean that it is a leased vehicle and they have a special exemption, or they just left them attached to the registration. This would be a problem IMO, it looks like you would get pulled over frequently to explain your actions to the local constabulary. I believe that you would receive at least a warning, and possibly a citation.

CyberPro


Lease vehicles are not exempt from following the requirements for licensing. There must be one sticker in the upper left and one in the upper right of the plate, the two stickers are different colors and vary in color depending on the month of expiration, the plate frame must not cover the stickers. This vehicle was a purchase not a lease - the vehicle was in Brad's name (only) for 2006 and 2007 -not in 2008.

[jmflu]

Lease vehicles are not exempt from following the requirements for licensing. There must be one sticker in the upper left and one in the upper right of the plate, the two stickers are different colors and vary in color depending on the month of expiration, the plate frame must not cover the stickers. This vehicle was a purchase not a lease - the vehicle was in Brad's name (only) for 2006 and 2007 -not in 2008.

When I drove by BC's house the other day there was no sticker on the top left hand side of the license plate (sedan). I couldn't be for sure about the top right. I didn't want to stop my car in front of his house!

[raisincharlie]

When I drove by BC's house the other day there was no sticker on the top left hand side of the license plate (sedan). I couldn't be for sure about the top right. I didn't want to stop my car in front of his house!

Don't blame you. :)

[Topsail Girl]

I can't recall who asked me to post about the weather last night for the Jon Mayer concert but the girls should have had a nice time. It did not rain during the show. I sooooo hope they had a good time.

OK back to the discussion....

[jmflu]

I can't recall who asked me to post about the weather last night for the Jon Mayer concert but the girls should have had a nice time. It did not rain during the show. I sooooo hope they had a good time.

OK back to the discussion....

I wonder if FriendofNancy can tell us if he dedicated the song?

[raisincharlie]

I can't recall who asked me to post about the weather last night for the Jon Mayer concert but the girls should have had a nice time. It did not rain during the show. I sooooo hope they had a good time.

OK back to the discussion....

According to his set list - the encore set was to have been

Clarity
Vultures
Say


Kinda scarey thinking about that set list.

http://www.johnmayer.com/tour/show/460

[Topsail Girl]

Well I tried to do my part. There is a local DJ here that is friends with Mayer. So I emailed her yesterday morning and explained to her what has happened. I told her that Say was Nancy's song and could she please contact Mayer to see if he would dedicate it to Nancy. She hosts the radio show from 3 to 7 each day - she didn't go to work yesterday so I have no idea if she got my email. I have not recieved a response from her so I'm guessing she didn't. Sorry posters... I tried!!!!

[jmflu]

Well I tried to do my part. There is a local DJ here that is friends with Mayer. So I emailed her yesterday morning and explained to her what has happened. I told her that Say was Nancy's song and could she please contact Mayer to see if he would dedicate it to Nancy. She hosts the radio show from 3 to 7 each day - she didn't go to work yesterday so I have no idea if she got my email. I have not recieved a response from her so I'm guessing she didn't. Sorry posters... I tried!!!!

You have a lot of contacts! Pretty impressive!

[Daphne69]

NCNative was right, what i thought was a stain in one photo and a Slim Jim in another photo was the actually a rubber car floor mat.

But how did it get in the driveway? did the investigators pull it out?
from which vehicle did it come from?
did brad attempt to wash it?
did it come from the driver's side, front passenger or one of the 2 rear passenger floor?


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopercar.jpg

was this photo taken before or after the investigators had searched the silver SUV or before?[/IMG]


Saint, IIRC, the floor mat can be seen in the driveway in the photo taken when the police are first putting up the crime scene tape. You may remember the photo I'm talking about -- an officer walking in front of the house and unwinding the tape. I thought it was in the WRAL slideshow, but I couldn't find it when I looked just now. I'd keep looking, but I'm at work now. :computer: I'll look for it again in a little while if you can't find it.

ETA: Maybe it was removed during the voluntary look around police got before Nancy's body was found?

[Topsail Girl]

You have a lot of contacts! Pretty impressive!

Oh I don't want you to get the wrong impression. I don't know this DJ personally. I just listen to the station daily and I hear her rave all the time about John Mayer and they are friends and how wonderful he is. I just thought I'd give it a shot - I mean who wouldn't want to help fulfill a murdered womans birthday wish, right? So unless one of the attending friends lets us know if he dedicated it or the DJ writes me back I guess we'll never know....

[Anderson]

This is really unbelievable:

"Already this year, husbands or boyfriends are accused of killing 57 women in North Carolina, according to the North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence."

Is this similiar to other states? Or is NC the haven for husbands that want to get rid of their wives? Topsail mentioned in the thread on Lamb's book that Investigator Morgan feels certain that JY is guilty, but much less certain that there will be a conviction. If that is true, then I think something needs to change. The public should be outraged.

Well, it would be interesting to know if Brad had brushed up on facts like these. I suppose that SH may have been a good resource on legal issues, given his training.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3446184/

On another topic, I seriously do hope that some Amber Frey equivalents will come forward, if they exist. I have copied the screen in the photo section (France trip) of Brad's website and made a few of the pictures larger. However, I don't seem to be able to copy them here or I would. There are two women in those pictures. I suspect that one of them is the woman that he had the affair with. Of course I know that he has denied this.

IMO

[jumpstreet]

Let me see if I can pull you a link or two - brb will add here.

Here is one: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d1b2056f-49cd-41f7-93a4-5c84f9127149

And a second one : http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=252cbefc-9512-4b37-bac9-879364ed7420


These links were provided to me by a very good friend for who I am grateful.

Despite what is implied in these articles, isn't is possible that the urn used in the service was indeed symbolic (as jmflu suspected), and the ME still had the body at that time? It would be a reasonable assumption on the part of anyone (including news reporter) to think that the urn contained her ashes, but I don't know if these articles confirm it categorically (to me anyway).

[jumpstreet]

I heard that it isn't considered complete UNTIL the ME signs it. Meaning, it could be fully typed and ready to go, but without the ME's signature on it then it isn't considered 'final/complete' and cannot be disseminated. ...

I guess one way to avoid having to get it "sealed" then would be for the ME to just delay the signature. Since it sounds like normal turnaround is 3 months, the ME could just opt not to sign it for 3, 4, 5 months or more perhaps, and officially it would be "incomplete" through this whole interval.

This way, LE, and ME's office gets to avoid having to go through the process of getting it sealed (assuming they don't want it disclosed), and as a bonus, avoid all those pesky lawyers from Capital Broadcasting in the process. Talk about crafty. :)

[2Daughters1Dog]

It won't be blood. Blood or any fluid of any type will only head south, could take a turn to the left or right, but will NOT loop over itself unless drawn that way.

If it was just a dark spot, yes could be blood. Run down the shade, and curve along a grain of the fabric, yes could be blood. But to turn north and loop on itself? Never.

No matter what force or amount it won't head anywhere but south. Have you ever splashed water on a mirror, which way did it head?


This is all true of course. At the same time, if it was a blood smear (a victim fending off attack, attacker has vic's blood on their hands/arms which transfers back to vic OR the vic puts own hand to wound and gets blood) it certainly could loop around or whatever.

My point is - which is the ENTIRE point I'm trying to make - if LE thought that was reasonably fresh blood of any type, for any reason they'da locked his ass up.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

[2Daughters1Dog]

This is really unbelievable:

"Already this year, husbands or boyfriends are accused of killing 57 women in North Carolina, according to the North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence."

Is this similiar to other states? Or is NC the haven for husbands that want to get rid of their wives?

any state in the US.

[ncnative]

Trivia alert: BC's car was in the driveway at 7:57 this morning as I drove by.

I wonder: do the neighbors who were friends with NC and BC still say HI to him if they see him outside? Do they try not to notice him so they won't have to interact and he does the same? I'm wondering about that, if there is a new obvious tension in the neighborhood. Also, how must the new people who recently moved in feel about their new, safe choice of places to live in Cary, with its low crime rate and all. Bet this was a swift kick in the reality butt for them, sadly. Even if BC didn't do it, it's a murder right in their faces.

[2Daughters1Dog]

I'm sure it is quite awkward for the neighbors. I actually saw BC in downtown Raleigh on Monday (with some older woman) and it creeped me out.

[raisincharlie]

Despite what is implied in these articles, isn't is possible that the urn used in the service was indeed symbolic (as jmflu suspected), and the ME still had the body at that time? It would be a reasonable assumption on the part of anyone (including news reporter) to think that the urn contained her ashes, but I don't know if these articles confirm it categorically (to me anyway).

Please feel free to disregard any and all articles. Its just the media, what do they know anyhow?

[SleuthyGal]

I'm sure it is quite awkward for the neighbors. I actually saw BC in downtown Raleigh on Monday (with some older woman) and it creeped me out.

That must be his mother. Well at least the neighbors know they're safe since the killer murdered the one person he meant to.

[raisincharlie]

This is all true of course. At the same time, if it was a blood smear (a victim fending off attack, attacker has vic's blood on their hands/arms which transfers back to vic OR the vic puts own hand to wound and gets blood) it certainly could loop around or whatever.

My point is - which is the ENTIRE point I'm trying to make - if LE thought that was reasonably fresh blood of any type, for any reason they'da locked his ass up.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

Its impossible to understand because it is bull that LE would have locked him up for that. That is why investigations are conducted, samples and evidence are collected and results obtained. Its called proof. Blood on a lamp shades proves what exactly ? Whose blood is it, how did it get there and why is it there - need answers before you lock someone up.

[Roy23]

This is all true of course. At the same time, if it was a blood smear (a victim fending off attack, attacker has vic's blood on their hands/arms which transfers back to vic OR the vic puts own hand to wound and gets blood) it certainly could loop around or whatever.

My point is - which is the ENTIRE point I'm trying to make - if LE thought that was reasonably fresh blood of any type, for any reason they'da locked his ass up.

Why is that so difficult to understand?


About a month ago, I was saying the same kind of stuff that you are saying here. I think maybe people like you and I have missed a change in the way some LE agencies are doing things now. They haven't named a POI or suspect but they had a search warrant immediately for Brad's house and car after the body was found. They also immediately knew this crime was not random or isolated. They probably have a smoking gun so to speak.

[raisincharlie]

About a month ago, I was saying the same kind of stuff that you are saying here. I think maybe people like you and I have missed a change in the way some LE agencies are doing things now. They haven't named a POI or suspect but they had a search warrant immediately for Brad's house and car after the body was found. They also immediately knew this crime was not random or isolated. They probably have a smoking gun so to speak.

LE has been forced to change Roy - must keep up with political correctness at all costs.

[Roy23]

LE has been forced to change Roy - must keep up with political correctness at all costs.

That is kind of the point that I am trying to relate to 2daughters. My mindset was where his was but now I am starting to see the light. I guess we will find out soon enough.

[raisincharlie]

That is kind of the point that I am trying to relate to 2daughters. My mindset was where his was but now I am starting to see the light. I guess we will find out soon enough.

I hope LE finds out soon. The bad part about it, the silence will only deepen once an arrest is made.

[The Saint]

this may have been previously discussed, but i am curious about brad's facial hair.
what was his norm in terms of shaving?

he had a mustache at the time of nancy's disappearance. did he shave his cheeks every day? did he shave on the weekends?

if he were truly waiting for nancy to return from a run so he could leave to play tennis, was brad:
1. showered and shaved?
(did he normally shower before playing sports or only afterwards?)
2. dressed in tennis clothes?
3. wearing tennis shoes?
4. packed up with his tennis racket and balls in his car or by the door?
(could the tall brown bag be covering a long tennis bag or sports duffel)
http://www.solutionsmkt.com/sports_bags.jpg

brad's facial hair:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperbeard.jpg

[Topsail Girl]

If the last time he shaved was Fri morning before work I can see why he would look this scruffy by the Monday presser. My hubby is a plant manager suit tie everyday and he refuses to shave on the weekends no matter what unless I really get insistant about it. Maybe brad was the same way??

[ncnative]

RC, how do you mean that once the arrest is made, things will really go silent? I am pulling a blank on that. Forgive my weakened brain cells.

As to the long bag being brought out of the Cooper home, I want to think it could be an upholstered valance, or that and a comforter. I wonder why that guy carrying it doesn't have gloves on his hands.

[The Saint]

everybody, i'm way behind on this case. if there are any other photos that you think i should look at besides the photo galleries at N&O and Wral, please post the links.

i saved some of the pond pictures, so i will take a closer look at those. both N&O and Wral still have as their captions found "in the pond" and not "near the pond."


i did take a look at the searchers photos. only one male searcher had a long-sleeved shirt on. there was also a guy in long sleeved white dress shirt but i thought that might be
a policeman or building/church official

[The Saint]

did brad own a gun?
is it possible that brad held nancy at gun point or knife point and forced her into the car and drove her to the construction site where he murdered her?

[SleuthyGal]

No LE would not arrest someone just because there was fresh blood on their lampshade. They would seize said lampshade as part of a SW, have it tested, have that test compared to known residents of the house, and THEN make a determination if that was 'enough' to make a case for an arrest (in conjunction with the DA, of course).

[The Saint]

i can't really be certain, but to me it looks like there are stickers are at the top.
if you look at the enlargement of the license plate under the orange text, and put your eyes very close to your computer screen, it looks like a red year sticker on the upper
right side. it is in the band of the dark shadow.

the 2 white rectangles on each side are the plate itself, i think.

i put a sharpen filter on the license plate enlargement but it still doesn't make it
clear.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopercar.jpg

[SleuthyGal]

I agree; it does indeed look like the stickers are there, they are just under the lip of that trunk latch and license plate frame.

[raisincharlie]

RC, how do you mean that once the arrest is made, things will really go silent? I am pulling a blank on that. Forgive my weakened brain cells.

As to the long bag being brought out of the Cooper home, I want to think it could be an upholstered valance, or that and a comforter. I wonder why that guy carrying it doesn't have gloves on his hands.

Ncnative, once an arrest is made LE will have nothing further to say - the case is out of their hands. The DA's office will say nothing either. All outstanding warrants not yet public become discovery and part of the evidence effectively removing them from public view, the same would be true of the autopsy if not publically released by the time of arrest. There will be an arraignment where charges only are read. There may or may not be a preliminary hearing - if there is a preliminary hearing some information will be learned - if not silence until trial. Defense lawyer may say something but will need to be very careful if they plan on arguing for a change of venue. Could be a long wait for information.

[ncnative]

I noticed the photo on the memorial website of Nancy "walking the dogs" while sitting on the garage sofa, that there was a pegboard on the back interior garage wall. There was a long axe on that pegboard. I couldn't see what else was hanging there. Now what would Brad do with a long axe?

[raisincharlie]

Don't forget AL's report at 5 on WRAL - the 5 news is live streamed.

[ncnative]

Thanks, RC. You must be in the "business". I don't know very much. (Referrring to the question I asked about the silence.)

[The Saint]

It won't be blood. Blood or any fluid of any type will only head south, could take a turn to the left or right, but will NOT loop over itself unless drawn that way.

If it was just a dark spot, yes could be blood. Run down the shade, and curve along a grain of the fabric, yes could be blood. But to turn north and loop on itself? Never.

No matter what force or amount it won't head anywhere but south. Have you ever splashed water on a mirror, which way did it head?


i don't agree. i'm not ready to assume that it isn't blood on that shade.

blood splatter travels up all the time. it travels in many different directions. it depends on the source of the blood and what caused it to spray, splatter, and drip.

the stain only appears to be a loop, it could look very different close up.

a knife or pipe dripping in blood could make a loop if brad were waving
the object.

it could have caused by blood dripping from a finger belonging to nancy or brad while the hand was waving wildy during an attack.

it could been caused by a quick succession of blows and not be the result of one blow.

[The Saint]

This is all true of course. At the same time, if it was a blood smear (a victim fending off attack, attacker has vic's blood on their hands/arms which transfers back to vic OR the vic puts own hand to wound and gets blood) it certainly could loop around or whatever.

My point is - which is the ENTIRE point I'm trying to make - if LE thought that was reasonably fresh blood of any type, for any reason they'da locked his ass up.

Why is that so difficult to understand?


what is so difficult to understand that brad could claim that an intruder
caused the injuries to nancy that caused the blood splatter
(if it is blood at all)?

the cops build a case then hand it over to the DA.
they don't want the killer to walk on a technicality.

they want an airtight case before they arrest. the clock starts ticking for the trial to start once they make an arrest.

[jumpstreet]

Please feel free to disregard any and all articles. Its just the media, what do they know anyhow?

Ain't that the truth!

[The Saint]

That must be his mother. Well at least the neighbors know they're safe since the killer murdered the one person he meant to.


public service announcement for the women of cary*:

do NOT have an affair with brad or spend HIS money. it could be fatal.



(* or anywhere else in this great big world)



and women, don't hyphenate your name when getting married.
if it doesn't work out, you may leave a very nasty ex-husband will will lash out at others for referring to you by your old hyphenated last name.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, RC. You must be in the "business". I don't know very much. (Referrring to the question I asked about the silence.)

You are doing just fine. If you continue to follow this case, it will be quite a learning experience for you. The justice system is rather amazing - but one can never say they know it all. Stay with us. :)

[raisincharlie]

Ain't that the truth!

Aren't you glad they share what they don't know, like about those other warrants. Guaranteed they know considerably more than we do.

[jumpstreet]

Aren't you glad they share what they don't know, like about those other warrants. Guaranteed they know considerably more than we do.

It certainly doesn't bother me that they (the media) share whatever they want, and however they want to share it. [ Their main driver is to generate revenue from advertising/viewership ]. It's fine with me - they're a business.

I just don't necessarily take everything stated in a media report as a hard undisputed fact just on face value. (Too many evidences of mis-statements / mis-spun information, or just plain inaccuracies (not intentional no doubt, but just reality)).

So yeah, I agree with you 100% that the media knows very little... they print even less than what they know... and we know even less than what they print. :)

[raisincharlie]

It certainly doesn't bother me that they (the media) share whatever they want, and however they want to share it. [ Their main driver is to generate revenue from advertising/viewership ]. It's fine with me - they're a business.

I just don't necessarily take everything stated in a media report as a hard undisputed fact just on face value. (Too many evidences of mis-statements / mis-spun information, or just plain inaccuracies (not intentional no doubt, but just reality)).

So yeah, I agree with you 100% that the media knows very little... they print even less than what they know... and we know even less than what they print. :)

So you think nancy's body is still sitting in the morgue ?

[DogWood]

Lease vehicles are not exempt from following the requirements for licensing. There must be one sticker in the upper left and one in the upper right of the plate, the two stickers are different colors and vary in color depending on the month of expiration, the plate frame must not cover the stickers. This vehicle was a purchase not a lease - the vehicle was in Brad's name (only) for 2006 and 2007 -not in 2008.

I'm still very curious about this.

Why weren't the plates that are on that vehicle renewed for 2008? They should have been in Jan 2008, IIRC. There they sit in July 2008. Hmmm.

Why doesn't the SUV show up in his name for 2008?

Are those plates still on the SUV?

[ncnative]

I noticed the photo on the memorial website of Nancy "walking the dogs" while sitting on the garage sofa, that there was a pegboard on the back interior garage wall. There was a long axe on that pegboard. I couldn't see what else was hanging there. Now what would Brad do with a long axe?

Here's my post a page back. Saint, are you the one who is enlarging/enhancing pics for us? Can you look at that garage pic where Nancy is sitting on the garage in the sofa? I want to see the tools on that pegboard at the back wall of the garage. Especially the long axe.

[raisincharlie]

I'm still very curious about this.

Why weren't the plates that are on that vehicle renewed for 2008? They should have been in Jan 2008, IIRC. There they sit in July 2008. Hmmm.

Why doesn't the SUV show up in his name for 2008?

Are those plates still on the SUV?

I have the same questions DogWood. The folks here had a very good conversation about those plates, even detailing the changes in color between the old plate and the new which is red. So there are indeed some interesting questions about those plates, stickers and why the vehicle no longer shows up on Brad's tax records. The record keepers aren't that slow - they already show he took care of this years issues with the 325. This may be one of those questions we never hear an answer to.

[EntreNous]

So you think nancy's body is still sitting in the morgue ?

I will tell you that I think there's a pretty good possibility that her remains were not yet in the urn at the time of service.

I have a very large extended family and have been through many deaths and several were cremated. Not one funeral service have I been to in which the person's remains were actually in the urn yet.

The funeral home generally sits the urn out and folks pay their respects but we've never gotten the ashes back in time for the memorial. I will also add that none of the family members were murdered either so there was no hold up in those instances for investigating reasons. It just usually takes longer to get the body back when a person is being cremated.

[The Saint]

Here's my post a page back. Saint, are you the one who is enlarging/enhancing pics for us? Can you look at that garage pic where Nancy is sitting on the garage in the sofa? I want to see the tools on that pegboard at the back wall of the garage. Especially the long axe.


yes, i've been enlarging some of the photos.
where can i find that sofa picture? i don't think i've seen it.

[The Saint]

WS is loading very slow for me today and i've gotten a busy server message many times . it must the caylee thread.

[raisincharlie]

I will tell you that I think there's a pretty good possibility that her remains were not yet in the urn at the time of service.

I have a very large extended family and have been through many deaths and several were cremated. Not one funeral service have I been to in which the person's remains were actually in the urn yet.

The funeral home generally sits the urn out and folks pay their respects but we've never gotten the ashes back in time for the memorial. I will also add that none of the family members were murdered either so there was no hold up in those instances for investigating reasons. It just usually takes longer to get the body back when a person is being cremated.

It could have been done at the ME's location - they do provide that service. To me it is not important if her ashes were in the urn or not. Bottom line is she was cremated whether one wants to believe the press or not.

[DogWood]

I have the same questions DogWood. The folks here had a very good conversation about those plates, even detailing the changes in color between the old plate and the new which is red. So there are indeed some interesting questions about those plates, stickers and why the vehicle no longer shows up on Brad's tax records. The record keepers aren't that slow - they already show he took care of this years issues with the 325. This may be one of those questions we never hear an answer to.

I'm hoping by bring it up again, someone will read and either have the answer or find the answer. I guess I just feel there's something more there. Just curious like that I suppose! :)

Yes, he certainly did take care of the vehicle he drove...unlike the one his wife drove. :furious:

[The Saint]

About a month ago, I was saying the same kind of stuff that you are saying here. I think maybe people like you and I have missed a change in the way some LE agencies are doing things now. They haven't named a POI or suspect but they had a search warrant immediately for Brad's house and car after the body was found. They also immediately knew this crime was not random or isolated. They probably have a smoking gun so to speak.


the north carolina people can speak of this, but there have been big changes since the Duke LaCrosse debacle.

i think that the people who are charged with the huge responsibility of seeing that justice is served for nancy, her daughters and her family
want to build a solid case. they want to make sure her killer doesn't walk
or that an innocent person is wrongly charged w/ her murder.

[raisincharlie]

I'm hoping by bring it up again, someone will read and either have the answer or find the answer. I guess I just feel there's something more there. Just curious like that I suppose! :)

Yes, he certainly did take care of the vehicle he drove...unlike the one his wife drove. :furious:

Seems we don't see too many reports of the X5 being in the drive anymore. Guess it is in hiding.

[DogWood]

It could have been done at the ME's location - they do provide that service. To me it is not important if her ashes were in the urn or not. Bottom line is she was cremated whether one wants to believe the press or not.


Just to add to that, her friends knew about it also.

[raisincharlie]

Just to add to that, her friends knew about it also.

I know. Someone was kind enough to point that out to me. :)

[DogWood]

Seems we don't see too many reports of the X5 being in the drive anymore. Guess it is in hiding.


Yep. Mid August was the last time it was seen?

Hiding in someone else's garage?

[raisincharlie]

Yep. Mid August was the last time it was seen?

Hiding in someone else's garage?

Dunno really. Just want to know how come it is not adding up and how it relates to Nancy's murder.

[SleuthyGal]

Bottom line is she was cremated whether one wants to believe the press or not.

but..but...but...that would mean that those who are clinging to the theory that she's really alive and maybe hiding in a witness protection program would have to give up that theory! :wink:

[The Saint]

there is a fairly big rock sitting next to the garage. wouldn't you be afraid the girls
or someone would trip on it, especially when you were carrying the trash out the green garbage can? or that the wheels of the green garbage can would catch on the rock as you were wheeling it out for trash collection?
the rock seems out out of place to me.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/cooperROCK1.jpg

[SleuthyGal]

You think that's a fairly big rock?

Seriously?

I think the boredom of no news is setting in and staring at naval lint somehow seems an interesting thing to do to pass the time.

[raisincharlie]

but..but...but...that would mean that those who are clinging to the theory that she's really alive and maybe hiding in a witness protection program would have to give up that theory! :wink:


Oooops, my bad :crazy:


ETA - I wonder what she could have possibly known to wind up in the WPP.

[Star12]

You think that's a fairly big rock?

Seriously?

I think the boredom of no news is setting in and staring at naval lint somehow seems an interesting thing to do to pass the time.

Very well said, SG.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Perhaps that's not a rock. Maybe it's a toad.

[The Saint]

i found the garage picture. i'm enlarging it now.
i hadn't seen the memorial blog

http://www.imorial.com/NancyCooper/

[raisincharlie]

Yep. Mid August was the last time it was seen?

Hiding in someone else's garage?

May be located at an undisclosed location. :crazy:

[The Saint]

here is the cooper garage blowup (and lightened to see the tools).
it appears to be a normal set of tools. you can pretty much identify what they are
except a long handled thing and a red thing on the floor on the right.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x178/77M33/coopergarageBlowup.jpg

[pamlet]

That picture's from 2004 ... who knows what is/isn't there anymore..

[raisincharlie]

Here is basically the transcript from AL's report on WRAL.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3446063/

Department of Justice reports that nearly a quarter of all murder victims nationwide are women – many of them mothers and many of them killed by men they knew.

North Carolina's murder rate for women ranks ninth in the U.S, according to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, and the majority of those victims were killed by an intimate partner.

[DogWood]

Here is basically the transcript from AL's report on WRAL.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3446063/

Department of Justice reports that nearly a quarter of all murder victims nationwide are women – many of them mothers and many of them killed by men they knew.

North Carolina's murder rate for women ranks ninth in the U.S, according to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, and the majority of those victims were killed by an intimate partner.

Thanks, RC! I missed the live report so I appreciate this.

(Trying to plan a trip and keep up here - all at the same time. Multitasking at its finest? :))

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, RC! I missed the live report so I appreciate this.

(Trying to plan a trip and keep up here - all at the same time. Multitasking at its finest? :))

Wonder if AL had to get a subpeona to get that guy from Interact to talk ? :) Chris Morgan does confirm however that the DA's office isn't going to move on a case until they know they can prove it.

[The Saint]

You think that's a fairly big rock?

Seriously?

I think the boredom of no news is setting in and staring at naval lint somehow seems an interesting thing to do to pass the time.


why so snarky?

yes, i do think it is a"fairly big" rock that someone could trip on.

i don't consider looking at the photographs taken as "staring at naval lint."
you can enlarge that yourself.

[EntreNous]

It could have been done at the ME's location - they do provide that service. To me it is not important if her ashes were in the urn or not. Bottom line is she was cremated whether one wants to believe the press or not.

I believe that she was cremated. I just wouldn't presume to know exactly when she was cremated. It could have been several days, it could have been a couple of weeks. The truth is, I don't think anyone here really knows.

[Anderson]

Here is basically the transcript from AL's report on WRAL.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3446063/

Department of Justice reports that nearly a quarter of all murder victims nationwide are women – many of them mothers and many of them killed by men they knew.

North Carolina's murder rate for women ranks ninth in the U.S, according to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, and the majority of