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Vask
08-25-2008, 03:16 PM
I got tired of wading through the unsorted prefix listing from Fonefinder so I copied all of the information into a formatted spreadsheet. You can sort via the drop down menus in the header row.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89422625/MissingUID/914_PrefixListing.xls

Drop me a PM if you'd prefer to have it emailed. Let me know which version you want/need, or if you want both.

coltsgal
08-25-2008, 03:21 PM
I will check it out when I get home from work, I dont want to download from my work computer.

Cymro
08-25-2008, 04:01 PM
2003 version works fine. In work we have PCs with both 2007 and 2003 and we often have to switch between them and unless you're sorting by multiple criteria (more than 3) or using non-standard colors problems between the two formats are very rare.

I don't know if people are going to be amending this and uploading their own versions but if they are perhaps it would be better to stick to the 2003 version.

Vask
08-25-2008, 04:29 PM
Thanks for letting me know the initial version worked. :)

coltsgal
08-25-2008, 05:05 PM
Do we know if this phone number was ever called? Do we know the last 4 digits of the phone number?

I would also like to know his seat numbers. Perhaps we can find the people who were sitting near him.

fmw63
08-25-2008, 08:19 PM
Do we know if this phone number was ever called? Do we know the last 4 digits of the phone number?

Don't know but I may try to get the whole number from LE tomorrow. I've got a 1995 PhoneDisc directory...:)

I would also like to know his seat numbers. Perhaps we can find the people who were sitting near him.[/quote]

That's sounds real good! You think TicketMaster may have sales info from that far back?

coltsgal
08-25-2008, 08:31 PM
I wonder if they would have that info? We would need to find out if we can get the seat numbers first.

Helper
08-27-2008, 12:39 PM
The concerts were held at RFK Stadium. A good percentage of the tickets would be for general admission for the "floor" area. Even if he had a ticket for a seat, he may never have actually gone to that seat. I sincerely doubt that there would be any way to trace who had tickets for the adjoining seats.

Helper
08-27-2008, 12:41 PM
Also, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the adjoining seats were part of the same batch of 20 tickets that the scalper sold at the show.

Helper
08-27-2008, 03:39 PM
Here's just one more clue pointing to the "Caroline T." as being Caroline Thomas. In the Newsweek article on Garcia's death, written about a month after "Jason's" death, and updated Feb. 14, 2008, there is a quotation in the last paragraph by Caroline Thomas concerning the Wharf Rats. http://www.newsweek.com/id/111492/output/print

Shecky
08-27-2008, 04:08 PM
Here's just one more clue pointing to the "Caroline T." as being Caroline Thomas. In the Newsweek article on Garcia's death, written about a month after "Jason's" death, and updated Feb. 14, 2008, there is a quotation in the last paragraph by Caroline Thomas concerning the Wharf Rats. http://www.newsweek.com/id/111492/output/print

I believe Caroline Thomas has been contacted before, and she claims to not be the "Caroline T." from the note. If that is indeed the case, I don't see any real reason to doubt what she says. What reason would she have to lie?

Caroline isn't a terribly uncommon name. There were two or three girls in my high school named Caroline.

Helper
08-28-2008, 10:04 AM
There is a Caroline still involved as a Grateful Dead fan who attended seven GD shows, although none in 1995. She went to shows in the Midwest, mostly at Deer Creek in Indiana, including 1990-94. The Dead played Deer Creek on July 2, 1995, just a few days after "Jason" died. Perhaps the note was old or for whatever reason, "Jason" brought it along in case he could catch a ride out to the Deer Creek show. Caroline's profile is at www.dead.net/member/caroline (http://www.dead.net/member/caroline) . By the way, she mentions on the profile that she has a sticker given to her by the Wharf Rats. It might be a long shot, but I see no harm in someone contacting her to see if she is an "O" or a "T", whether she recognizes the phone prefix, and remembers a "Jason".

Helper
08-28-2008, 10:23 AM
Had Jason gone all the way to Inman, SC with Michael, it would have put him about 8 1/2 hours away from Noblesville, IN., with a week to get there. It's pretty much a straight shot on all major roads in a northerly direction through Knoxville, Lexington, Cincinnati on to Indianapolis. Perhaps he was skipping Michigan and Pittsburgh and planning on hitting Deer Creek.

Shecky
08-28-2008, 12:21 PM
There is a Caroline still involved as a Grateful Dead fan who attended seven GD shows, although none in 1995. She went to shows in the Midwest, mostly at Deer Creek in Indiana, including 1990-94. The Dead played Deer Creek on July 2, 1995, just a few days after "Jason" died. Perhaps the note was old or for whatever reason, "Jason" brought it along in case he could catch a ride out to the Deer Creek show. Caroline's profile is at www.dead.net/member/caroline (http://www.dead.net/member/caroline) . By the way, she mentions on the profile that she has a sticker given to her by the Wharf Rats. It might be a long shot, but I see no harm in someone contacting her to see if she is an "O" or a "T", whether she recognizes the phone prefix, and remembers a "Jason".

Couldn't hurt to try!

Helper
08-28-2008, 12:34 PM
I went ahead and emailed her. I'll let you all know if I hear anything back.

Helper
08-28-2008, 12:43 PM
I heard back from Caroline. She's not a T or an O, and knows nothing about this case.

Shecky
08-28-2008, 01:42 PM
I heard back from Caroline. She's not a T or an O, and knows nothing about this case.

That's too bad, was worth a shot though!

Soulmagent
08-29-2008, 02:58 AM
QUOTE=Helper;2572203]I heard back from Caroline. She's not a T or an O, and knows nothing about this case.[/QUOTE]



Ok what if the O and T mean where they are from and maybe not their least name . Caroline O = Caroline oklahoma/ohio and Caroline T=Caroline Texas .If you travel arround that crowd first and least names are kinda hard to connect a person when they see thousands of people so what if its like - randy from wa - etc..I know its an out there thought. I also was thinking like maybe one person was referring to themself like she was 2 people.Like as in she has 2 personalities as a joke to her moodiness. Another out there thought I know. But at least I am trying. I read all the pages on the g/d thread and it wasnt mentioned but there was the ohio prefix of 914 /and a texas prefix so it wouldnt rule this out.

phenolred
09-05-2008, 08:26 AM
There is a Caroline still involved as a Grateful Dead fan who attended seven GD shows, although none in 1995. She went to shows in the Midwest, mostly at Deer Creek in Indiana, including 1990-94. The Dead played Deer Creek on July 2, 1995, just a few days after "Jason" died. Perhaps the note was old or for whatever reason, "Jason" brought it along in case he could catch a ride out to the Deer Creek show. Caroline's profile is at www.dead.net/member/caroline (http://www.dead.net/member/caroline) . By the way, she mentions on the profile that she has a sticker given to her by the Wharf Rats. It might be a long shot, but I see no harm in someone contacting her to see if she is an "O" or a "T", whether she recognizes the phone prefix, and remembers a "Jason".


I actually went to that show at Deer Creek....

azsteph1110
09-05-2008, 12:04 PM
I was wondering yesterday if somebody ever called that phone number. you'd think that the carolines would've answered. hey vask, can I get a copy of the 914 prefix listing emailed to me?

lobo34
09-10-2008, 05:48 PM
Just a question...

I can't open the spreadsheet, but I know for a fact that Chapel Hill, NC had numbers starting with 914 back in 1995 (I had one) Also, there was (is) a huge Dead following in Chapel Hill, and many ppl I knew back then went to a few shows.

Try checking for Caroline atEast Chapel Hill High School, Carolina Friends Academy (private school), Durham Academy (private school), C E Jordan High School (western Durham County-near the Durham/Orange Co line), Chapel Hill High alum from 1991-1993 (right around the right age group) (those schools had the biggest Dead Heads that I remember- I went to DA and Northern, but lived in the Jordan district)

I have limited access right now so I can't really search, but PM me at let me know if anyone needs me to look at Northern's year books from 91 and 92, or I can try to find my DA yearbooks from 1980-1990, but they're in storage ATM.

I can also be reached by PM if I can help further.

zelmajane
09-10-2008, 08:14 PM
I went to Jordan and recall 914 phone numbers!

My middle name is also Caroline. There are a LOT of Caroline's in that area due to the "Carolina" fans.

My cousin probably has JHS yearbooks from those years.

christine2448
12-29-2008, 12:44 PM
Still no phone number? :banghead:

Who is specifically working on tracking this down? Who exactly has been approached by us seeking this info?



What about contacting source information listed on Doe Network for whatever case information that have and are willing/can share with us.



Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
Medicolegal Death Investigator
800-447-1706 Agency Case Number:
123526

On Doe Network, the following are listed as SOURCE information. I would imagine each of these would have a file/some information on this Doe....maybe even this mysterious phone # we can't seem to get our hands on.

Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.missingkids.com/)
The Child Protection Education of America (http://www.find-missing-children.org/)
Pulp Radio Magazine
Richmond Times-Dispatch

Salem
02-01-2009, 07:41 PM
Here's a direct link to Jason on the Child Protection Education in America: http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster399.htm

Of interest is that this site says there may have been a light tatoo on his right arm.....

Salem

Salem
02-01-2009, 07:41 PM
Here's a direct link to Jason on the Child Protection Education in America: http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster399.htm

Of interest is that this site says there may have been a light tatoo on his right arm.....

Salem

CarlK90245
09-01-2011, 12:57 AM
I ran a search on my 1994 HomePhone nationwide CD ROM telephone directory. I used the wildcard parameter $$$-914-$$$$ and ran that for all of the Eastern states.

The following is a list of cities with a 914 Prefix as of 1994: This HomePhone CD is only a landline listing, but many of the cellular prefixes weren't yet established in 1994. In fact, cell phones were not used as widely then as they are now.

Alabama
(None)

Connecticut
(None)

Delaware
(None)

Florida
(None)

Georgia
McDonough (Area code 404)
Locust Grove (Area code 404)
Stockbridge (Area code 404)
Hampton (Area code 404)

Indiana
(None)

Kentucky
(None)

Maryland
Berwyn (Area code 301)

Maine
(None)

Massachusetts
(None)

Michigan
(None)

Mississippi
(None)

New Hampshire
(None)

New Jersey
Toms River (Area code 908)

New York
(None)

North Carolina
(None)

Ohio
(None)

Pennsylvania
(None)

Rhode Island
(None)

South Carolina
(None)

Tennessee
(None)

Vermont
(None)

Virginia
Annandale (Area code 703)
Springfield (Area code 703)
Alexandria (Area code 703)
Falls Church (Area code 703)

West Virginia
(None)


By the way, the only Caroline on the CD with a 914 Prefix was a Caroline E. From McDonough GA (Area code 404)

CarlK90245
09-01-2011, 02:03 AM
Looking in Classmates.com for people named Caroline T. who went to high school in the above listed cities yielded the following two people: (excluding persons listed as "Carol", "Carolyn", etc., and excluding persons named Caroline whose married names begin with "T" but whose maiden names start with a different letter)

* Caroline T. (Married Surname Initial R) -- West Potomac High School, Alexandria, VA Class Of 1991

* Caroline T. (Married Surname Initial S) -- Congressional School of Virginia, Falls Church, VA, Class Of 1965

Looking for people named Caroline O in the same cities, i had the following:

Caroline O. -- Monsignor Donovan High School, Toms River, NJ, Class of 1997

Since the 914 prefix applied only to Caroline T, our screen for Caroline O should not be limited just to the "914" cities.

CarlK90245
09-01-2011, 11:45 AM
Interestingly enough, the Caroline T from West Potomac HS now lives in my neighborhood (i.e., El Segundo CA). I may have to pay her a visit, and show her the letter and ask her if she recognizes the handwriting as hers.

CarlK90245
09-02-2011, 11:40 PM
Interestingly enough, the Caroline T from West Potomac HS now lives in my neighborhood (i.e., El Segundo CA). I may have to pay her a visit, and show her the letter and ask her if she recognizes the handwriting as hers.

I just went and knocked on the door at the El Segundo address indicated for Caroline T (of West Potomac HS). She doesn't live there anymore. The woman who answered the door has lived there for about a year.

But Caroline T (of WPHS) does have a Facebook page, so I'll try that approach.

Find Brenda
12-03-2013, 01:09 AM
Did anyone ever come up with the complete phone number from the note? When I was reading about this case about 10 years ago or so I saw an unedited image of the note. I used to have the complete number but have since lost it. It has to be somewhere.

This Facebook group and the people behind it have been doing a lot of work to help give him a name:
https://www.facebook.com/events/175499695988217/184794018392118

DrDMike
12-03-2013, 10:37 PM
Did anyone ever come up with the complete phone number from the note? When I was reading about this case about 10 years ago or so I saw an unedited image of the note. I used to have the complete number but have since lost it. It has to be somewhere.

This Facebook group and the people behind it have been doing a lot of work to help give him a name:
https://www.facebook.com/events/175499695988217/184794018392118

It may have been a fake number or an incorrect number (perhaps the Carolines were staying with someone and had used their number). The number was probably faded out to prevent people from calling it over the years.

Vask
03-13-2014, 02:40 PM
I logged in after forever and a day to a PM requesting this file still. I can't seem to edit my initial posting, but I found a copy of it on an external drive and uploaded it to my dropbox. If a mod happens to see this, can you pretty please update the first post? :bowdown:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89422625/MissingUID/914_PrefixListing.xls

Since it's the XLS version, it should work in older versions of Excel and other software that can open Excel spreadsheets.

I got tired of wading through the unsorted prefix listing from Fonefinder so I copied all of the information into a formatted spreadsheet. You can sort via the drop down menus in the header row.

Excel 2007: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zt21uayieca/914_PrefixListing.xlsx
Excel 95-2003 Compatibility Mode: http://www.mediafire.com/file/5keq0gwacbb/914_PrefixListing.xls

Drop me a PM if you'd prefer to have it emailed. Let me know which version you want/need, or if you want both.