Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #24

[SleuthyGal]

Any word on when the cause/time of death and autopsy results will be made available?

No word.

The ME usually completes the written autopsy within 90 days of the physical autopsy.

[momto3kids]

In the affidavit it states the bath attached to the bedroom where NC slept and kept her belongings, which would be the master as per their house plans. This is also the room where the dry stain on the white sheet was found.

I thought Nancy moved out of the master suite....

[SleuthyGal]

Thanks SG....this is still going to prove interesting when DNA comes back. Let's hope she got a slice of his skin under her nail!!

Agreed. If she did then that's all the DA will need to move forward and prosecute. That + the hair (not to mention his totally wonky timeline).

[Skittles]

I dont think he admitted it, I believe it was in there as an observation by LE.

No, Brad said it. From the Probable Cause Affidavit:

Brad Cooper advised that he had 'cleaned' the trunk of the 2001 BMW 325i vehicle while Nancy Cooper was on vacation the previous week.

[caryresident]

Is LTF a moot point now? I was hoping something would come up about him going there.

[SleuthyGal]

Friends & family of NC said she never went anywhere (incl. running) without her KEYS and cell phone? I read this and wondered about that. I would think she would wear a fanny pack of some kind if that were true...otherwise running with keys and cell phone in one's hand would be very uncomfortable, no?

[SleuthyGal]

Is LTF a moot point now? I was hoping something would come up about him going there.

No that is not a moot point at all. It's not in the affidavits or SWs but that doesn't mean LE didn't check it out.

[SleuthyGal]

Brad ALSO said he 'cleaned the trunk of Nancy's car because he had spilled gas 2 weeks prior." That makes no sense to me. LE observed no odor. But he appears to have vacuumed that trunk out too.

He was REALLY INTO VACUUMING that day, eh???

[Anderson]

Agreed. If she did then that's all the DA will need to move forward and prosecute. That + the hair (not to mention his totally wonky timeline).

Will the hair and the timeline be enough, SG?

[SleuthyGal]

Another observation: with NC's cell phone IN THE HOUSE, you know she was getting phone calls from the various friends that morning. Brad is busy cleaning/scrubbing/vacuuming/laundering AND he's ignoring that phone. I wonder if he turned the phone OFF at some point so he wouldn't hear the ringing anymore?

[SleuthyGal]

Will the hair and the timeline be enough, SG?

For the Super-careful-glacially-slow-want-a-slam-dunk-case DA?

Dunno.

[tarheellvr]

Friends & family of NC said she never went anywhere (incl. running) without her KEYS and cell phone? I read this and wondered about that. I would think she would wear a fanny pack of some kind if that were true...otherwise running with keys and cell phone in one's hand would be very uncomfortable, no?

Remember her Dad taught her to run with a key in her palm with the long end pointing out between her fingers.....for safety if she was ever attacked or something. ( Per Mr Rentz)

[Anderson]

Brad ALSO said he 'cleaned the trunk of Nancy's car because he had spilled gas 2 weeks prior." That makes no sense to me. LE observed no odor. But he appears to have vacuumed that trunk out too.

He was REALLY INTO VACUUMING that day, eh???

Yes, and I am SURE that he expected that he would have time to do a lot more. He thought he had 24 hours. And he was a very inexperienced cleaner.

[raisincharlie]

Another question I had was answered as well.

Nancy was found face down...

So my friend DogWood - it appears she was indeed found face down but also found face down in the pond, according to the affidavits for probable cause.

There seems to be several answers provided in the warrants such as Nancy's cell phone and car keys were in the house (wonder why Brad didn't answer that), the purse was found in the X5 on Saturday. Nancy always ran with her cell phone and her car keys, despite Brad and Heider's claims that she ran with nothing. Seems to me following a very brief review Brad was clueless about his wife and her habits. He didn't even know for sure what she went running in. Too many inconsistent stories Mr. Brad - JA messed you up big time just by knowing your wife better than you did. :crazy:

[SleuthyGal]

I'm interested in hearing from the 'fence-sitters' in this case and if the info released today gets you any closer to deciding one way or the other?

[raisincharlie]

Will the hair and the timeline be enough, SG?

No Anderson, it will not be enough.

[outside_of_apex]

Sounds like LE should have taken the vacuum cleaner and/or dust buster too.

[momto3kids]

Shine them up because I feel they will be getting used soon on BIG BOY BRAD!
DNA is all that is left IMO.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/LuvClaysVoice2003/8fo2zcg_th.jpg

[SleuthyGal]

Yes, and I am SURE that he expected that he would have time to do a lot more. He thought he had 24 hours. And he was a very inexperienced cleaner.

Makes no sense that both parents would get up at 4am to take care of a child. No statement was made as to why Katie was up/awake or what the problem was.

THEN, 'superdad' has energy to make at least 2 trips to HT AND then start cleaning for FOUR HOURS.

uhhh-huhhhh. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

[Topsail Girl]

Sounds like LE should have taken the vacuum cleaner and/or dust buster too.

Maybe that's how the car wash plays into this? He vacuumed the vehicle at the car wash possibly??

[raisincharlie]

Is LTF a moot point now? I was hoping something would come up about him going there.

I don't think it is a moot point - one more piece of the case that willbe presented to the jury.

For some reason the media has not released the warrant pertaining to the undisclosed location - must have made a deal with the DA.

[SleuthyGal]

But he only vacuumed the TRUNK area!

[Daphne69]

In the affidavit it states the bath attached to the bedroom where NC slept and kept her belongings, which would be the master as per their house plans. This is also the room where the dry stain on the white sheet was found.

I thought Nancy moved out of the master suite....

I wondered about that too, Mom. "Attached" makes it sound like the master, but the wording makes it sound like it is the girls' room. If that's the case, the bedding and the item of children's clothing seized bothers me a lot. Was NC attacked in there?

Also, re: BC being up at 4 to "attend to the 2 year old." I know my 2 year old is only up at 4 if she's sick or something wakes her up. Did something wake up Katie? If this were a normal waking up, you would think one parent would tend to her and one would go back to sleep. No?

I feel SO AWFUL for those 2 little girls.

[maconrich]

He is so so so screwed. It sounds like they have quite a clear picture of what they think happened. I think they're only waiting on DNA and forensics, including the in-depth examination of the hard drives.

I wonder what is detailed in "Nancy's writings"?

ICAM! Hopefully her writings will provide a lot of insight for the investigators (as well as give more validity to her friends statements)! I'm impressed she was able to do this, esp since it can be extremely difficult to keep such things hidden from the overly prying eyes of a controlling other.

[Anderson]

Makes no sense that both parents would get up at 4am to take care of a child. No statement was made as to why Katie was up/awake or what the problem was.

THEN, 'superdad' has energy to make at least 2 trips to HT AND then start cleaning for FOUR HOURS.

uhhh-huhhhh. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

No, it does not make any sense at all. Interesting that he was up at 4. I wonder if he did make that early morning trip to HT.

[SleuthyGal]

No, it does not make any sense at all. Interesting that he was up at 4. I wonder if he did make that early morning trip to HT.

I suspect he did indeed!

[Roy23]

No Anderson, it will not be enough.


Exactly right. They will need much more. It is a forensics case to clean up what we already suspect. Did they say that the stain was inconclusive? If so, scary.

[Daphne69]

For some reason the media has not released the warrant pertaining to the undisclosed location - must have made a deal with the DA.

Isn't the SW for the computers the "third" warrant? Do you think there's another one?

[raisincharlie]

Isn't the SW for the computers the "third" warrant? Do you think there's another one?


The undisclosed location warrant was issued on the 25th. The warrant you see for th ecomputer hard drives was issued the 28th - this is not a location but a thing and standard procedure to have a separate warrant for investigation of the hard drives.

The warrant for the undisclosed location is not among the warrants released.

[SleuthyGal]

Did they say that the stain was inconclusive?

No the detective who observed the stain could not identify what the stain was (it needed to be tested to determine).

[tarheellvr]

From the info released, I'm almost feeling she was alive in the car....probably gravely injured, but alive.
I think he "finished her off" at the dump site...ie:strangulation?? If her body showed wounds upon being found, I think she had lacerations, bruises, cuts, etc. For all the hair in different places, I think even with injuries, she fought him like hell. He probably hit her a time or 2 in the car to shut her up/keep her still....most likely in the face which would make her body look even more like murder. He probably also grabbed her by the hair, pulling out strands as she tried to get away from him.

His neck scratches are significant....as is the hair on the vehicle and the pink fingernail. Was she wearing pink polish?? All that "scrubbing" makes me think she was injured upstairs, dragged down the stairs and through the house while bleeding....hence a lot for him to clean up.

Poor, poor Bella and Katie.......They heard and/or saw something....I feel this in my gut.

[raisincharlie]

Exactly right. They will need much more. It is a forensics case to clean up what we already suspect. Did they say that the stain was inconclusive? If so, scary.

Roy, I'm having to bounce around reading as I currently cannot print these out but the stain reference was a visual observation by the Detective, the inconclusive part was he visually could not determine what it was. But I believe it would have been collected and submitted for testing to determine what is was.

[SleuthyGal]

IMHO he has so screwed himself.

- multiple/conflicting timelines and lies
- up at 4am and constantly busy through 1pm CLEANING
- BOTH parents 'doing laundry' early Sat. morning?
- cleans only the trunk of his car but not anything else
- Hair in his trunk, possibly Nancy's. Also in the tire wells.
- Green/brown vegetable type thing either in or on his sedan (wasn't specified).
- scratches on the back of his neck the MORNING HIS WIFE GOES MISSING & IS NEVER SEEN ALIVE AGAIN (btw, witnesses from the party will likely be able to say whether they saw those same scratches at the party, or not.)
- Says he didn't see her leave the house (assumed she left due to door slamming) but contradicts himself and says he last saw her 'doing laundry, wearing a white t-shirt, and taking care of Katie')
- actions/activities that he never did before, at times he never did them before

Yep, screwed. Six ways to Sunday, IMHO.

[DogWood]

The undisclosed location warrant was issued on the 25th. The warrant you see for th ecomputer hard drives was issued the 28th - this is not a location but a thing and standard procedure to have a separate warrant for investigation of the hard drives.

The warrant for the undisclosed location is not among the warrants released.

I've been looking around for an explanation for that...

[jmflu]

I know there was nothing in this newest information about the fact that BC said he was supposed to go play tennis that morning. But what I am wondering is, what heppened to that? Was there a tennis partner who could corroborate their plan? Why did BC suddenly feel the need to clean the house when he had plans to play tennis? Even if he was waiting for NC to come home and she was late, would he get started on a huge cleaning project? Would he even want to given that he would probably be ticked off at NC for running late and holding up his tennis?

[momto3kids]

HT and LTF will be saved and presented for trial. He has locked himself into a 4am time which IMO isn't for a wake up call by a 2 year old. What happened from 4am to 6am? he says he went to get milk at 6am....

The 4am is where he made 1 big mistake. As a parent of 3 children...a 4am wake up from a child should only require 1 adult unless that child is so sick and needs extra attention from both. Had he gone to HT to buy let's say...Motrin, for a high fever or to run a bath to reduce a 104 fever...different story. He didn't go for that reason at all or mention why it took both of them to get her settled. Stupid mistake he made IMO.

He was

[caryresident]

Friends & family of NC said she never went anywhere (incl. running) without her KEYS and cell phone? I read this and wondered about that. I would think she would wear a fanny pack of some kind if that were true...otherwise running with keys and cell phone in one's hand would be very uncomfortable, no?

I run with my cellphone and my basic keys in my hand. It's not uncomfortable at all.

[snowshuze]

"Investigators also took swabs of the exterior of Nancy Cooper’s SUV, hair from the interior trunk lid, grass from the right front seat, hair from the bottom front right bumper and hair from the left front tire well. Also seized was “brownish green vegetable material.”
I'm VERY surprised they didn't impound that SUV.

[SleuthyGal]

I run with my cellphone and my basic keys in my hand. It's not uncomfortable at all.

ahhh okay. A water bottle is the only thing I hold in my hand. Anything else either goes into a pocket or a little fanny pack.

[reddress58]

I believe we will discover the affair with MBA student was still going on during this period of time! I've thought that from the beginning. He never acted as if he was committed to putting the marriage back together after NC discovered the affair with HM; and the affair with HM had been over for awhile. The SW's say the affair with MBA student was conducted during a Feb. 2008 trip. They stated they were looking for evidence on his computers to support this affair.

[raisincharlie]

I've been looking around for an explanation for that...

I believe a deal has been struck between the media and the DA which tends to make me think several things, especially reveiwing the receipts taken from the 325 i. Look at that closely - I think we are dealing with a person.

[SleuthyGal]

I'm VERY surprised they didn't impound that SUV.

That stuff was found on/in HIS car...the 325 BMW sedan. But yes, I'm surprised they didn't impound both cars, frankly. What else might have been missed?

[SleuthyGal]

I believe we will discover the affair with MBA student was still going on during this period of time! I've thought that from the beginning. He never acted as if he was committed to putting the marriage back together after NC discovered the affair with HM; and the affair with HM had been over for awhile. The SW's say the affair with MBA student was conducted during a Feb. 2008 trip. They stated they were looking for evidence on his computers to support this affair.

Interesting observation! Yes, according to S.H. and B.C. this affair (a one-time indiscretion wink-wink) happened 4 years prior. He had to have done something recently to so thoroughly piss her off that she wanted OUT for good.

[momto3kids]

I'm VERY surprised they didn't impound that SUV.


It is going to be the 2001 BMW they should have impounded, but again we don't know if they did, because it was garage kept.

I don't remember the 1st time I saw it outside. Boy I wish I did.

[SleuthyGal]

especially reveiwing the receipts taken from the 325

RC, what do these receipts show?

[snowshuze]

That stuff was found on/in HIS car...the 325 BMW sedan. But yes, I'm surprised they didn't impound both cars, frankly. What else might have been missed?
OOps. I read too fast. :)
Thanks

[DogWood]

I'm VERY surprised they didn't impound that SUV.



That was a quote from WRAL...before the SW's were up. I think it's still there...but it is clear in the SW's those things were taken from the 2001 sedan. WRAL needs to correct that, IMO. :)

[Anderson]

I believe we will discover the affair with MBA student was still going on during this period of time! I've thought that from the beginning. He never acted as if he was committed to putting the marriage back together after NC discovered the affair with HM; and the affair with HM had been over for awhile. The SW's say the affair with MBA student was conducted during a Feb. 2008 trip. They stated they were looking for evidence on his computers to support this affair.

I must have missed that document. I imagine that she would have been contacted and interviewed. Hopefully she was helpful.

Amazing, at least partial evidence of the affair is up on his website. He has pictures of her (one of two women - but probably the one that he is on the trampoline with; there is also a picture of her alone), but I haven't seen pictures of Nancy on the site.

[SleuthyGal]

He has all those pix grouped together in a slide show of his "MBA trip," so it's not like he pulled the ones with just her and then put them on his home page or called any special attention to them. The sleuthy ones here gleaned that info based on ... well...being smart and sleuthy.

[caryresident]

I must have missed that document. I imagine that she would have been contacted and interviewed. Hopefully she was helpful.

Amazing, at least partial evidence of the affair is up on his website. He has pictures of her (one of two women - but probably the one that he is on the trampoline with; there is also a picture of her alone), but I haven't seen pictures of Nancy on the site.

Is that the adventure of brad website or another?

[caryresident]

Does anyone have an explanation of why they held these warrants for a longer period? Especially, if they're still not going to name a suspect at this point.

[DogWood]

I believe a deal has been struck between the media and the DA which tends to make me think several things, especially reveiwing the receipts taken from the 325 i. Look at that closely - I think we are dealing with a person.

I agree.

[reddress58]

I must have missed that document. I imagine that she would have been contacted and interviewed. Hopefully she was helpful.

Amazing, at least partial evidence of the affair is up on his website. He has pictures of her (one of two women - but probably the one that he is on the trampoline with; there is also a picture of her alone), but I haven't seen pictures of Nancy on the site.
It's in section VI of the probably cause statement in the Cisco SW.

[Anderson]

Is that the adventure of brad website or another?

Yes, that was one of his adventures! :rolleyes: Go to photos and then the France trip. I think for some reason you have to click on the MBA link before it comes up, if I remember.

[reddress58]

I believe a deal has been struck between the media and the DA which tends to make me think several things, especially reveiwing the receipts taken from the 325 i. Look at that closely - I think we are dealing with a person.
Could that person be our MBA student?

[caryresident]

Yes, that was one of his adventures! :rolleyes: Go to photos and then the France trip. I think for some reason you have to click on the MBA link before it comes up, if I remember.

Thanks. Is it the one with the curly hair?

[jmflu]

I believe a deal has been struck between the media and the DA which tends to make me think several things, especially reveiwing the receipts taken from the 325 i. Look at that closely - I think we are dealing with a person.

I'm not sure exactly what you are saying...

[ncnative]

I've always suspected that his MBA student affair was with the young lady who has the long, crimped hair. Crimped, as in with a crimper. The one he has photos of beside him in the little kitchen party in France, and remember, he said that he and several others arrived in France earlier than the others and had a great time. I remember when I first suggested that she was probably the "one", and some of the WS posters jumped on me for that. Hmpfh. We shall see. We shall see.

Also, he rode to the boat show in Greenville with several other people in someone else's SUV.

Vomit can be brownish green veg. matter. So can grass, dead plant material. When a person dies, their body expels different fluids, if you know what I mean.

The vacuum cleaner can tell a story. I hope he used a vacuum at home and didn't think to empty the bag. Even if he did empty the bag or cup, there could still be residue on the vacuum parts.

Tending to the kid(s) at 4 AM? Were the children wakened by the loud fighting of the parents? Maybe he had to keep them in their room so they would not see something.

And, I'm really amused by Brad Cooper's night and morning of cleaning and laundry. Ha ha. Really funny there. And here's a guy who sleeps on poot-stained sheets :shakehead: and never washes them. Hmmm. (who knows what other kinds of stains, too...won't go there)

[caryresident]

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=36

[cochrngj]

:woohoo: Someone asked if the warrants opened today were convincing enough for BC to be considered guilty. I do! The most damning items are the hairs on/in the car, the neck scratches, conflicting timelines, extensive cleaning of the home and the car. Considering that BC kept a filthy home and bed while Nancy was in Hilton Head, why should he suddenly be a clean freak?
Question: how does LE put this all together to guarantee a trial with a guilty verdict? I believe a lot more time will pass before an arrest is made.

[Anderson]

Thanks. Is it the one with the curly hair?

I think she is the one. Although there is a blond woman with her arm across his knee in the group photos. She is another possibility.

[caryresident]

I've always suspected that his MBA student affair was with the young lady who has the long, crimped hair. Crimped, as in with a crimper. The one he has photos of beside him in the little kitchen party in France, and remember, he said that he and several others arrived in France earlier than the others and had a great time. I remember when I first suggested that she was probably the "one", and some of the WS posters jumped on me for that. Hmpfh. We shall see. We shall see.

Also, he rode to the boat show in Greenville with several other people in someone else's SUV.

Vomit can be brownish green veg. matter. So can grass, dead plant material. When a person dies, their body expels different fluids, if you know what I mean.

The vacuum cleaner can tell a story. I hope he used a vacuum at home and didn't think to empty the bag. Even if he did empty the bag or cup, there could still be residue on the vacuum parts.

Tending to the kid(s) at 4 AM? Were the children wakened by the loud fighting of the parents? Maybe he had to keep them in their room so they would not see something.

And, I'm really amused by Brad Cooper's night and morning of cleaning and laundry. Ha ha. Really funny there. And here's a guy who sleeps on poot-stained sheets :shakehead: and never washes them. Hmmm. (who knows what other kinds of stains, too...won't go there)



That made me laugh. :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

Could that person be our MBA student?


Dunno, whoever it is is a friend of Brad's though, or maybe more.

[Anderson]

I'm not sure exactly what you are saying...

I'm confused too.

[SleuthyGal]

Question: how does LE put this all together to guarantee a trial with a guilty verdict? I believe a lot more time will pass before an arrest is made.

They work with the DA on this. The DA decides when there is 'enough' evidence to proceed forward in the case. And if the DA decides there isn't (like what's happened so far in the Michelle Young murder case), then no movement is taken by the DA to proceed to trial (and thus no arrest is made).

[raisincharlie]

I'm not sure exactly what you are saying...

I'm not sure what I'm saying except that I think the undisclosed warrant relates to a person who has something significant to say about Brad. Could be a confidential informant, a current "side salad" or what ever - whoever it is the DA doesn't want that information out.

[Anderson]

I'm not sure what I'm saying except that I think the undisclosed warrant relates to a person who has something significant to say about Brad. Could be a confidential informant, a current "side salad" or what ever - whoever it is the DA doesn't want that information out.

Thanks RC! Could it be an accomplice?

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RC! Could it be an accomplice?

JMO - no. Brad acted all by himself when murdering Nancy and disposing of her body.

[minachica]

I think she is the one. Although there is a blond woman with her arm across his knee in the group photos. She is another possibility.
Hmm, there is something of a "cat that ate the canary" look on the face of the blond woman that makes me wonder about her. And the arm on the knee seems a bit proprietorial... JMO

[Anderson]

JMO - no. Brad acted all by himself when murdering Nancy and disposing of her body.

Thanks.

[SleuthyGal]

I too believe Brad acted alone in this.

[caryresident]

Hmm, there is something of a "cat that ate the canary" look on the face of the blond woman that makes me wonder about her. And the arm on the knee seems a bit proprietorial... JMO

And we know he likes blondes, right? Wasn't Heather blonde? Didn't NC have picture where she was blonde?

[jmflu]

I'm not sure what I'm saying except that I think the undisclosed warrant relates to a person who has something significant to say about Brad. Could be a confidential informant, a current "side salad" or what ever - whoever it is the DA doesn't want that information out.


I think it's interesting that the media did not specifically say that the third search warrant remained sealed!

[SleuthyGal]

If I were him (BC) and I saw the variety of possible evidence that was cataloged and taken out (plus of course there's more that we don't know about), I'd be crapping my pants by now. Seriously. He thought he did a great job at cleaning up...but the act of cleaning up for 4+ hours is hinky in and of itself.

[EntreNous]

I'm not sure what I'm saying except that I think the undisclosed warrant relates to a person who has something significant to say about Brad. Could be a confidential informant, a current "side salad" or what ever - whoever it is the DA doesn't want that information out.

I've been thinking it could have something to do with SH for a long time, although I could be totally wrong.

I'm very curious what their findings were on the hair samples, etc.

[Zeke]

I'm VERY surprised they didn't impound that SUV.

I was thinking the same thing. Based on all of the evidence that was found on and in the SUV, you'd think they'd want to look at the SUV a bit closer to catch anything they might have missed.

I bet the SUV is real clean now! :-)

[SleuthyGal]

DNA testing very well may not have been completed yet.

[raisincharlie]

I think it's interesting that the media did not specifically say that the third search warrant remained sealed!

They are ignoring it no doubt. If you go up to the legal documents it is clear when the DA's office made their motion to reseal the warrants - they were addressing all three - the 16/17 residence, the 21 Cisco, and the 25 undisclosed location. Yet today we hear of three warrants - one of which relates only to the hard drives for digital and astral data- someone is being tricky IMO. But I will say there may be an extremely good reason for it.

[reddress58]

If I were him (BC) and I saw the variety of possible evidence that was cataloged and taken out (plus of course there's more that we don't know about), I'd be crapping my pants by now. Seriously. He thought he did a great job at cleaning up...but the act of cleaning up for 4+ hours is hinky in and of itself.
SG, so if LE took the vaccuum cleaner it may not necessarily be listed in the SW? That would seem a likely item to extract.

[Anderson]

Hmm, there is something of a "cat that ate the canary" look on the face of the blond woman that makes me wonder about her. And the arm on the knee seems a bit proprietorial... JMO

Yes, and as someone on the board pointed out previously, the blond woman does look a bit like Nancy. Perhaps this was his type.

But, the woman with curly hair is sitting close by in the group shots. The trampoline photo and the picture of the curly-haired girl alone make me think that it may be her.

I don't want to miss anything, but I have to go to work! Talk to you later.

[snowshuze]

If I were him (BC) and I saw the variety of possible evidence that was cataloged and taken out (plus of course there's more that we don't know about), I'd be crapping my pants by now. Seriously. He thought he did a great job at cleaning up...but the act of cleaning up for 4+ hours is hinky in and of itself.
I suspect alot of his friends/family are standing in the checkout line with pepto today.

[SleuthyGal]

Good for them for doing what they need to do to not compromise their case.

I, for one, want to give J Young and the others a big heartfelt hug. Then I want them and the CCBI to assure me they didn't miss anything in their work on the scene.

Then I want to have a beer with them and hear some stories, have them walk my dog, get one of them to mow my lawn.... what??? Just my fantasy???

[SleuthyGal]

SG, so if LE took the vaccuum cleaner it may not necessarily be listed in the SW? That would seem a likely item to extract. Agreed. I don't know why it isn't listed and if they didn't seize it, why not? :confused:

[sunflowers]

Good for them for doing what they need to do to not compromise their case.

I, for one, want to give J Young and the others a big heartfelt hug. Then I want them and the CCBI to assure me they didn't miss anything in their work on the scene.

I noticed the VIN is posted for both cars. Given that we now have the VIN, could we find out the ownership of Nancy's vehicle? Anybody know how? Thanks.

[SleuthyGal]

I suspect alot of his friends/family are standing in the checkout line with pepto today.

and perhaps some laundry detergent since he seems to run out so often???? :wink:

[jmflu]

good for them for doing what they need to do to not compromise their case.

I, for one, want to give j young and the others a big heartfelt hug. Then i want them and the ccbi to assure me they didn't miss anything in their work on the scene.

Then i want to have a beer with them and hear some stories, have them walk my dog, get one of them to mow my lawn.... What??? Just my fantasy???

huh??

[ncnative]

I suspect alot of his friends/family are standing in the checkout line with pepto today.
That, and the "...crapping my pants..." is so true! Who says a narcissist won't kill himself? He might, to keep himself from going to prison or to keep LE from "having him" to themselves to "control" by taking him to prison if it comes to that. :burn:

THE GREEN DRESS: Was Nancy wearing a green dress and those seized shoes, at the party that night?

THE GREEN PLASTIC: Could he have used the green plastic to asphyxiate her? Or, could he have used it to cover the trunk bottom, to protect it from blood, etc.? I don't think I've ever come across green plastic very often. Unless they mean hard plastic. I'm thinking thin sheeting plastic?

I will always wonder what Scott Heider and Brad talked about while Brad and the girls stayed at Scott's home after the murder. The "what does Scott H. know?" question that I've asked before.

Brad knew Scott had a degree in criminal justice. Brad might have asked questions, even if veiled.

I've seen Heather Metour (Scott Heider's ex-wife whom Brad had an affair with). It was dark outside, but she did not have dark hair. I was not impressed favorably with her. She seemed bored, looking for something to do. I was across the street from her home, visiting a neighbor. I'd never met her before. (Someone asked about her hair color). All I can say is, she seemed horsey. I can't explain "horsey", but she was! :kilroy:

[caryresident]

That, and the "...crapping my pants..." is so true! Who says a narcissist won't kill himself? He might, to keep himself from going to prison or to keep LE from "having him" to themselves to "control" by taking him to prison if it comes to that. :burn:

THE GREEN DRESS: Was Nancy wearing a green dress and those seized shoes, at the party that night?

THE GREEN PLASTIC: Could he have used the green plastic to asphyxiate her? Or, could he have used it to cover the trunk bottom, to protect it from blood, etc.? I don't think I've ever come across green plastic very often. Unless they mean hard plastic. I'm thinking thin sheeting plastic?

I will always wonder what Scott Heider and Brad talked about while Brad and the girls stayed at Scott's home after the murder. The "what does Scott H. know?" question that I've asked before.

Brad knew Scott had a degree in criminal justice. Brad might have asked questions, even if veiled.

I've seen Heather Metour (Scott Heider's ex-wife whom Brad had an affair with). It was dark outside, but she did not have dark hair. I was not impressed favorably with her. She seemed bored, looking for something to do. I was across the street from her home, visiting a neighbor. I'd never met her before. (Someone asked about her hair color). All I can say is, she seemed horsey. I can't explain "horsey", but she was! :kilroy:

Horsey Heather -I get it. Bored....I guess she found someone to do :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

I noticed the VIN is posted for both cars. Given that we now have the VIN, could we find out the ownership of Nancy's vehicle? Anybody know how? Thanks.


Looking :crazy:

[Roy23]

I think it's interesting that the media did not specifically say that the third search warrant remained sealed!


I am going to guess SH on this one.

[reddress58]

WRAL got something else wrong: "He also told investigators he and Nancy Cooper had been arguing the Friday before she went missing about her being paid for helping a friend paint her house."

The only thing the SW states is that "Cary Police personnel learned" that the couple had been aruguing throughout the course of the day over Nancy's painting. Doesn't say that BRAD told them. Another example of why we need to read these documents for ourselves.

[jmflu]

I am going to guess SH on this one.


Someone had said the media was keeping it secret. Does that seem plausible, given that they were the ones rallying to get the darn things unsealed?!

[sunflowers]

Looking :crazy:

thanks:crazy:

[raisincharlie]

Someone had said the media was keeping it secret. Does that seem plausible, given that they were the ones rallying to get the darn things unsealed?!

I have seen this done before, on several occasions. While the media may want something, they have enough sense to also know when too much is too much. Despite all the media haters, they are not going to do anything to jeopardize an investigation. It happens, they want to keep their sources - they have to give something back.

The way to find out is go to the courthouse and ask for a copy of the warrant. If it is released you will have it - if it remains sealed, you will know it. The media is ignoring it for a reason.

[momto3kids]

I've always suspected that his MBA student affair was with the young lady who has the long, crimped hair. Crimped, as in with a crimper. The one he has photos of beside him in the little kitchen party in France, and remember, he said that he and several others arrived in France earlier than the others and had a great time. I remember when I first suggested that she was probably the "one", and some of the WS posters jumped on me for that. Hmpfh. We shall see. We shall see.

Also, he rode to the boat show in Greenville with several other people in someone else's SUV.

Vomit can be brownish green veg. matter. So can grass, dead plant material. When a person dies, their body expels different fluids, if you know what I mean.

The vacuum cleaner can tell a story. I hope he used a vacuum at home and didn't think to empty the bag. Even if he did empty the bag or cup, there could still be residue on the vacuum parts.

Tending to the kid(s) at 4 AM? Were the children wakened by the loud fighting of the parents? Maybe he had to keep them in their room so they would not see something.

And, I'm really amused by Brad Cooper's night and morning of cleaning and laundry. Ha ha. Really funny there. And here's a guy who sleeps on poot-stained sheets :shakehead: and never washes them. Hmmm. (who knows what other kinds of stains, too...won't go there)

I have read so much I am hoping I don't have this wrong, but it his MBA affair was with someone who went to the boat show in Greenville with him.

The affair in Europe was with someone business related...like possible Cisco person?

I will have to search where I read this. It still can be one of the girls in the France photo, but I just remember reading this in one of the several affidavits.

[ncnative]

I'm thinking about that green dress and the high heeled shoes seized in the search.

I wonder if it could have belonged to a mystery woman who may have been in the house while Nancy was still at the party? Or, Brad could have stashed it somewhere for a little fetish fun if it were from a mystery woman. :D And then, it could have been Nancy's, but I want to know why they chose that?

Do they ever interview the children to see what they know or saw?

I saw BC's car in the drive today around 3 PM or so. He must be practicing for living in close confinement with his blinds closed, cooped up in that house. His confines may be smaller soon. Wonder where Mamma is?

Brad's flimsy excuse about cleaning house because Nancy and he had talked about how dirty it was--like he was suddenly going to start turning a new leaf? I'd be asking those children of his about what Daddy did today? And what did Daddy or Mommy do last night? :argue::rage::scream::soldier:
Were mommy and daddy having fun? Noisy? etc. Don't they have social services people who can do this?

[ncnative]

Brad's affidavit spoke of his riding to the boat show (an MBA group project) with the owner of the SUV they rode in, as well as someone else. I think he meant that there were 3 of them in that car. Don't you wanna bet it was Miss MBA France trip lady? I don't know. I bet we'll eventually find out.

I'd find it for you, but have to go now.

[ncnative]

I've been thinking about the hair taken from the two front bumper areas of the BMW 320i. Now, that's a weird place to find hair. I wonder if Nancy was in the garage where he kept the white BMW of his. Maybe he was attacking her and she tried to crawl under it? But then he'd just try to run her over, or leave the car on and lock her in there to die of carbon monoxide poisoning. Just a thought. We are allowed "what-if's".:waitasec:

[chauncey7381]

I'm interested in hearing from the 'fence-sitters' in this case and if the info released today gets you any closer to deciding one way or the other?

Sorry to disappoint, but I still remain on the fence. It's still a case of he said/friends said/family said.


Items seized from the house. The green dress, the green plastic, trace tape and pillow are of significant interest to me. If, and if, fibers from these items were found on certain areas of her body, i.e. nose, mouth, wrists, face, ankles, and they match sources taken from the house....then someone will have to explain how it got there. It's obvious they've found a good bit of fibers on her body.

[Skittles]

If I were him (BC) and I saw the variety of possible evidence that was cataloged and taken out (plus of course there's more that we don't know about), I'd be crapping my pants by now. Seriously. He thought he did a great job at cleaning up...but the act of cleaning up for 4+ hours is hinky in and of itself.

Brad has know about these for a while. LE left a copy of the inventory in the home.

[SleuthyGal]

Sorry to disappoint, but I still remain on the fence. It's still a case of he said/friends said/family said.


Items seized from the house. The green dress, the green plastic, trace tape and pillow are of significant interest to me. If, and if, fibers from these items were found on certain areas of her body, i.e. nose, mouth, wrists, face, ankles, and they match sources taken from the house....then someone will have to explain how it got there. It's obvious they've found a good bit of fibers on her body.

What do you think about scratches and red marks observed on the back of his neck? And the 4+ hours of cleaning?

[SleuthyGal]

Brad has know about these for a while. LE left a copy of the inventory in the home.

Did he know about how they observed the scratches on his neck? I wonder if he saw their affidavits.

And of course he didn't know what they had taken from his office at Cisco nor, possibly, from this 3rd place/person that we don't know about yet.

[Roy23]

What do you think about scratches and red marks observed on the back of his neck? And the 4+ hours of cleaning?

I think it certainly is evidence but it doesn't prove the case. Don't get me wrong, it is powerful stuff but they have to connect the body to either the house, car or Brad. In the SW, they say the marks are really small. I think it was just a way to show probable cause to get the SW's. In the end, they either have a whole lot more or will get it. And he will go to jail or kill himself first.

[jilly]

I wondered about that too, Mom. "Attached" makes it sound like the master, but the wording makes it sound like it is the girls' room. If that's the case, the bedding and the item of children's clothing seized bothers me a lot. Was NC attacked in there?

Also, re: BC being up at 4 to "attend to the 2 year old." I know my 2 year old is only up at 4 if she's sick or something wakes her up. Did something wake up Katie? If this were a normal waking up, you would think one parent would tend to her and one would go back to sleep. No?

I feel SO AWFUL for those 2 little girls.

Brad is the last person I would expect to be up with his children at 4am. Besides, according to affidavits, Nancy slept in the same room as the children so Brad wouldn't need to get up. I don't know that he was all that in tune with the children (just from reading about Nancy reprimanding him about "signals")
In any event, when a child needs to be attended to at 4am, the child usually wants the primary caregiver, in my experience the mom.

I just don't get the feel for him being a hands-on Dad. I bet you're right Daphne, I'll bet the child was woken up... and scared.

ETA Having said all this, often, when these guys like Brad give statements, bits and pieces of it are true. So the part about the child needing attention could have happened after she was awakened. Very possible that it was Brad who had to tend to her because Nancy was 'unable'. Kinda like Cassidy Young, Michelle Young's daughter.

[Roy23]

They are ignoring it no doubt. If you go up to the legal documents it is clear when the DA's office made their motion to reseal the warrants - they were addressing all three - the 16/17 residence, the 21 Cisco, and the 25 undisclosed location. Yet today we hear of three warrants - one of which relates only to the hard drives for digital and astral data- someone is being tricky IMO. But I will say there may be an extremely good reason for it.


Oh Yeah. What is this about LE's reasoning that NC was thought to be still alive when departing her house? I wonder what this is about if that is factual.

[Zoe]

Did he know about how they observed the scratches on his neck? I wonder if he saw their affidavits.

And of course he didn't know what they had taken from his office at Cisco nor, possibly, from this 3rd place/person that we don't know about yet.

i believe i read somewhere this afternoon that a LE officer questioned BC about those scratches but BC did not provide an answer. i'll see if i can find it.


ETA: it's on page 4 of the probable cause affidavit

[Roy23]

i believe i read somewhere this afternoon that a LE officer questioned BC about those scratches but BC did not provide an answer. i'll see if i can find it.

That is true. Brad did not give an explanation.

[Skittles]

Did he know about how they observed the scratches on his neck? I wonder if he saw their affidavits.

I don't know. But I'm sure somebody around here does!


And of course he didn't know what they had taken from his office at Cisco nor, possibly, from this 3rd place/person that we don't know about yet.

Right. He probably could guess they'd take computer equipment, but he wouldn't know about the rest.

[DogWood]

Kurtz & Blum Sept. 2, 2008, statement

"Three search warrants related to the Nancy Cooper case were released this afternoon. This has been widely reported as a meaningful development. The release of these search warrants makes public the state of the police investigation as it was some six weeks ago. They contain nothing new and shed no light on who killed Nancy Cooper.

Three search warrants related to the Nancy Cooper case were released this afternoon. This has been widely reported as a meaningful development. The release of these search warrants makes public the state of the police investigation as it was some six weeks ago. They contain nothing new and shed no light on who killed Nancy Cooper.

In any homicide investigation, an important early step is to check into the people who surround the victim. As Nancy's husband, the Cary police rightly scrutinized Brad Cooper at the beginning of their inquiry. Spouses, other romantic entanglement, friends and associates are among the first people an investigator must seek to rule out as suspects. Since that time, warrants were served, searches were conducted and items were collected and presumably studied in-depth to determine if they held any evidentiary value. The police investigation has also had access to information received as a result of the extensive cooperation that Brad Cooper has given and continues to offer. Despite all of this, the police have made no arrest and named no suspects. Had substantial, credible evidence pointed to Brad Cooper, he would be in custody.

We fervently hope the efforts of the police will allow them, very soon, to arrest the criminal or criminals who committed the heinous attack on Nancy and to bring peace and closure to the Cooper family. We ask again that anyone with information that might assist in the identification and capture of Nancy's murderer or murderers, please give that information to the Cary police. If you are uncomfortable going directly to the police, you can instead contact us at www.kurtzandblum.com through our Nancy Cooper investigation page. To date, we have turned over to the police all information received through this site; we intend to continue this cooperation. Keeping your information to yourself helps n one. If you know anything that could be helpful in solving this case, please bring it to light as soon as possible.

Howard Kurtz
Seth Blum



http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3472448/

[Zoe]

IMHO he has so screwed himself.

- multiple/conflicting timelines and lies
- up at 4am and constantly busy through 1pm CLEANING
- BOTH parents 'doing laundry' early Sat. morning?
- cleans only the trunk of his car but not anything else
- Hair in his trunk, possibly Nancy's. Also in the tire wells.
- Green/brown vegetable type thing either in or on his sedan (wasn't specified).
- scratches on the back of his neck the MORNING HIS WIFE GOES MISSING & IS NEVER SEEN ALIVE AGAIN (btw, witnesses from the party will likely be able to say whether they saw those same scratches at the party, or not.)
- Says he didn't see her leave the house (assumed she left due to door slamming) but contradicts himself and says he last saw her 'doing laundry, wearing a white t-shirt, and taking care of Katie')
- actions/activities that he never did before, at times he never did them before

Yep, screwed. Six ways to Sunday, IMHO.

well said, sleuthygal.

[wirehair]

WOW!!!! I'm so glad the dog show is over so I can catch up on reading the posts. I'm sick over the hair in the car. How can he even go out in public knowing what the LE took from the house. He really must not care or he's really stupid. I wonder if she had acrylic nails. They won't scratch or cut as badly as real nails would during a struggle. I agree that the other SW might be for his new plaything or SH.

[SleuthyGal]

I think it certainly is evidence but it doesn't prove the case. Don't get me wrong, it is powerful stuff but they have to connect the body to either the house, car or Brad.

Oh clearly it's not enough by itself. Many cases are formed item by item, brick by brick, if you will. Chauncy said it was just more 'he said/she said' and I was pointing to things that had nothing to do with any he said/she said.

If there is evidence of Nancy's blood or other fluids that would be consistent with death or dying or being attacked in her home, that would tie it to Brad.

And/or if there is evidence on the body like his DNA or fibers from the car on her clothes, then that ties him to the murder.

And/or if there is evidence of her hair and other forensic items in his car, or in his trunk or anywhere else on that car that would also tie him and her to the car and the crime. She didn't use his car. Her hair should not be in the trunk of his car or on/in the trunk lid or in the wheel well or anywhere else.

So we await information that may forensically tie him to the murder, or her body to the car, or whatever else may prove their fatal contact that early Sat. morning.

And, there are the things we did not get any confirmation on: discrepancies in his timeline, trips to HT, other lies, info that may have been found or will be found on the computers, hard drives, her personal notes, etc, etc.

[raisincharlie]

Oh Yeah. What is this about LE's reasoning that NC was thought to be still alive when departing her house? I wonder what this is about if that is factual.

I'm also wondering where the warrants are for cell phone data from both his phone and Nancy's, as well as for the landline. Seems to me there should be warrants for these records to be consistent with an investigation.

[SleuthyGal]

good point, RC.

There's several things missing as of right now.

ETA: that could be another warrant because they'd have to subpoena the phone companies.

[raisincharlie]

Kurtz & Blum Sept. 2, 2008, statement

"Three search warrants related to the Nancy Cooper case were released this afternoon. This has been widely reported as a meaningful development. The release of these search warrants makes public the state of the police investigation as it was some six weeks ago. They contain nothing new and shed no light on who killed Nancy Cooper.

Three search warrants related to the Nancy Cooper case were released this afternoon. This has been widely reported as a meaningful development. The release of these search warrants makes public the state of the police investigation as it was some six weeks ago. They contain nothing new and shed no light on who killed Nancy Cooper.

In any homicide investigation, an important early step is to check into the people who surround the victim. As Nancy's husband, the Cary police rightly scrutinized Brad Cooper at the beginning of their inquiry. Spouses, other romantic entanglement, friends and associates are among the first people an investigator must seek to rule out as suspects. Since that time, warrants were served, searches were conducted and items were collected and presumably studied in-depth to determine if they held any evidentiary value. The police investigation has also had access to information received as a result of the extensive cooperation that Brad Cooper has given and continues to offer. Despite all of this, the police have made no arrest and named no suspects. Had substantial, credible evidence pointed to Brad Cooper, he would be in custody.

We fervently hope the efforts of the police will allow them, very soon, to arrest the criminal or criminals who committed the heinous attack on Nancy and to bring peace and closure to the Cooper family. We ask again that anyone with information that might assist in the identification and capture of Nancy's murderer or murderers, please give that information to the Cary police. If you are uncomfortable going directly to the police, you can instead contact us at www.kurtzandblum.com (http://www.kurtzandblum.com) through our Nancy Cooper investigation page. To date, we have turned over to the police all information received through this site; we intend to continue this cooperation. Keeping your information to yourself helps n one. If you know anything that could be helpful in solving this case, please bring it to light as soon as possible.

Howard Kurtz
Seth Blum



http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3472448/


Well alrighty then. Bring on all those other warrants served on someone else !!! :crazy:

[SleuthyGal]

>Had substantial, credible evidence pointed to Brad Cooper, he would be in custody.

Ummm not true, Mr. High-Powered Attorney. They only arrest in this jurisdiction WHEN they feel they are ready to take a case to trial and not before. Not before DNA is back and not before they are totally done crossing 'i's and dotting 't's and making sure they've gathered all the evidence they can get to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of 12. But you know that already. You know the DA demands an extremely high standard of proof and all pistons have to be firing before he'll ever move forward. And when he finally, finally does...yowza.

This is still an ongoing investigation and not all data is in nor have tests all necessarily been completed yet. And you know that too! But hey, thanks for playing 'my client didn't do that thar thing they said he done' game.

[CARYISHOME]

I run with my cellphone and my basic keys in my hand. It's not uncomfortable at all.

Trying to catch up here.

I don't run, but I do walk. I stuff my cell phone in my sports bra most of the time.

[SleuthyGal]

I don't run, but I do walk. I stuff my cell phone in my sports bra most of the time.

The girls are there to help, not just protect and serve! :wink:

[Anderson]

>Had substantial, credible evidence pointed to Brad Cooper, he would be in custody.

Ummm not true, Mr. High-Powered Attorney. They only arrest in this jurisdiction WHEN they feel they are ready to take a case to trial and not before. Not before DNA is back and not before they are totally done crossing 'i's and dotting 't's and making sure they've gathered all the evidence they can get to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of 12. But you know that already. This is still an ongoing investigation and not all data is in nor have tests all necessarily been completed yet. And you know that too!

:rolling:

[Skittles]

Did anyone else notice the Nike DriFit shirt they took from the home was size XL? Did NC run in oversized tops, or was it BC's, or someone else's?

[SleuthyGal]

Did anyone else notice the Nike DriFit shirt they took from the home was size XL? Did NC run in oversized tops, or was it BC's, or someone else's?

Yes I noticed it and the size. Nike stuff can run small. At least on me it does. You'd be surprised how little a women's XL is. It fits tight!

[carolinalady]

The undisclosed location warrant was issued on the 25th. The warrant you see for th ecomputer hard drives was issued the 28th - this is not a location but a thing and standard procedure to have a separate warrant for investigation of the hard drives.

The warrant for the undisclosed location is not among the warrants released.

I'm playing catch up after being away for a while. The search warrant is dated and signed by the Judge on 7/25 (also says received, executed on 7/25). The only place I see 7/28 is the date it was returned. Where do you see it was issued 7/28?

[raisincharlie]

Need opinions folks:

Please note in regard to the "undisclosed location", I am starting to have doubts there is an "undisclosed location". Please note the following video- pay attention to when Mr. Crump shows the sealing order for the 25 July warrant - it does not reference an undisclosed location - truthfully it doesn't reference anything:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/media?id=6295029


And here at WRAL :

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3306798/

"A third warrant, dated July 25, does not specify a search location."

and also at WRAL:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/30/3302839/19507-cooper_warrants_sealed_2.pdf

page 1




Looking at this I am beginning to believe there is no "undisclosed location" and that the warrant for retreival of digital/astral data from the computers is indeed the third warrant. Any thoughts ?

[Anderson]

Kurtz & Blum Sept. 2, 2008, statement

"Three search warrants related to the Nancy Cooper case were released this afternoon. This has been widely reported as a meaningful development. The release of these search warrants makes public the state of the police investigation as it was some six weeks ago. They contain nothing new and shed no light on who killed Nancy Cooper."

Howard Kurtz
Seth Blum

http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3472448/

If there had been any significant developments that suggest Brad was not involved, would we know about these through the media? Would Kurtz and Blum know of any new developments (if I am correct, I understand from my fellow sleuthers that they would)? If so, would the lawyers be in a position to make a statement to that effect?

The lawyers are still asking for the public to provide information, so it doesn't look like they know of any "new developments". That would mean that this information is still indicative of the current investigation, wouldn't it?

If you like, please feel free to weigh in Mr. Kurtz and Mr. Blum. I welcome your clarifications.

[SleuthyGal]

RC,

I'm starting to think the 3rd warrant might indeed be the computer hard drives. I'd like to believe they have additional SWs out, but I don't know.

[CARYISHOME]

That, and the "...crapping my pants..." is so true! Who says a narcissist won't kill himself? He might, to keep himself from going to prison or to keep LE from "having him" to themselves to "control" by taking him to prison if it comes to that. :burn:

THE GREEN DRESS: Was Nancy wearing a green dress and those seized shoes, at the party that night?

THE GREEN PLASTIC: Could he have used the green plastic to asphyxiate her? Or, could he have used it to cover the trunk bottom, to protect it from blood, etc.? I don't think I've ever come across green plastic very often. Unless they mean hard plastic. I'm thinking thin sheeting plastic?

I will always wonder what Scott Heider and Brad talked about while Brad and the girls stayed at Scott's home after the murder. The "what does Scott H. know?" question that I've asked before.

Brad knew Scott had a degree in criminal justice. Brad might have asked questions, even if veiled.

I've seen Heather Metour (Scott Heider's ex-wife whom Brad had an affair with). It was dark outside, but she did not have dark hair. I was not impressed favorably with her. She seemed bored, looking for something to do. I was across the street from her home, visiting a neighbor. I'd never met her before. (Someone asked about her hair color). All I can say is, she seemed horsey. I can't explain "horsey", but she was! :kilroy:

Still trying to catch up.

I am curious about the green plastic, too. What the heck is that? We have a couple of green tarps. Is that what they mean?

Horsey...You know, I think I know what you mean. I have seen that before.
:):)

[CyberPro]

Disclaimer: I am not "on the fence, and have not been for some time." I just want to offer this as a possible other solution.

1. On the hairs being found. It has not been determined that the hairs are human. I am sure this is quite simple, and no doubt has been determined already, but we do not have that information. It is possible that the car hit a dog/cat/squrrel/'possum or ran past an area where this had happened and picked up animal hair in those areas.

2. Hair in the trunk could have been caused by someone leaning into the trunk to get something and having their head rub against the lid of the trunk.

This does NOT explain why the previously solvenly BC suddenly gets a case of the "White Tornado Syndrome", nor why the timelines he has offered are disjointed. There is a LOT that is not explained, even if you accept all of the things that he said.

I still think he is the likely culpret, but I just wanted to offer possible alternative solutions.

CyberPro

[raisincharlie]

If there had been any significant developments that suggest Brad was not involved, would we know about these through the media? Would Kurtz and Blum know of any new developments (if I am correct, I understand from my fellow sleuthers that they would)? If so, would the lawyers be in a position to make a statement to that effect?

The lawyers are still asking for the public to provide information, so it doesn't look like they know of any "new developments". That would mean that this information is still indicative of the current investigation, wouldn't it?

If you like, please feel free to weigh in Mr. Kurtz and Mr. Blum. I welcome your clarifications.


Anderson - as long as the press has the case number they would know about other warrants issued. This would include warrants issued on other persons that perhaps we have not heard of. Not sure that answers your question but I'm thinking both the press and K & B are checking with Ms. Bobbit on a routine basis to see if there are warrants either sealed or returned related to the specific case number.

[raisincharlie]

Disclaimer: I am not "on the fence, and have not been for some time." I just want to offer this as a possible other solution.

1. On the hairs being found. It has not been determined that the hairs are human. I am sure this is quite simple, and no doubt has been determined already, but we do not have that information. It is possible that the car hit a dog/cat/squrrel/'possum or ran past an area where this had happened and picked up animal hair in those areas.

2. Hair in the trunk could have been caused by someone leaning into the trunk to get something and having their head rub against the lid of the trunk.

This does NOT explain why the previously solvenly BC suddenly gets a case of the "White Tornado Syndrome", nor why the timelines he has offered are disjointed. There is a LOT that is not explained, even if you accept all of the things that he said.

I still think he is the likely culpret, but I just wanted to offer possible alternative solutions.

CyberPro

He must have hit a big animal then or two animals since the hair was found on both the left and right front of the vehicle - but I suppose it is indeed possible. :)

The timelines he gives are most amazing I think. I still would like to know who made the 640 am call to Brad...

[Anderson]

Disclaimer: I am not "on the fence, and have not been for some time." I just want to offer this as a possible other solution.

1. On the hairs being found. It has not been determined that the hairs are human. I am sure this is quite simple, and no doubt has been determined already, but we do not have that information. It is possible that the car hit a dog/cat/squrrel/'possum or ran past an area where this had happened and picked up animal hair in those areas.

2. Hair in the trunk could have been caused by someone leaning into the trunk to get something and having their head rub against the lid of the trunk.

This does NOT explain why the previously solvenly BC suddenly gets a case of the "White Tornado Syndrome", nor why the timelines he has offered are disjointed. There is a LOT that is not explained, even if you accept all of the things that he said.

I still think he is the likely culpret, but I just wanted to offer possible alternative solutions.

CyberPro

I agree that hair could have fallen in the trunk, but I don't think they would pay attention to an animal hair on the tires or that it could be mistaken to be human hair. I could be wrong though. I am also not on the fence.

[SleuthyGal]

Disclaimer: I am not "on the fence, and have not been for some time." I just want to offer this as a possible other solution.

1. On the hairs being found. It has not been determined that the hairs are human. I am sure this is quite simple, and no doubt has been determined already, but we do not have that information. It is possible that the car hit a dog/cat/squrrel/'possum or ran past an area where this had happened and picked up animal hair in those areas.

2. Hair in the trunk could have been caused by someone leaning into the trunk to get something and having their head rub against the lid of the trunk.

This does NOT explain why the previously solvenly BC suddenly gets a case of the "White Tornado Syndrome", nor why the timelines he has offered are disjointed. There is a LOT that is not explained, even if you accept all of the things that he said.

I still think he is the likely culpret, but I just wanted to offer possible alternative solutions.

CyberPro

All good points, CP. I just did a bit of research on how quickly post mortem hair banding would occur and it's variable...anywhere from a few hours after death up to, possibly, a day or two. So obviously hairs that showed banding would prove those hairs came from a dead/decomposing body. But that's not likely to be available in this case.

I think there can be explanations for almost every single piece of evidence, but I think we're going to have to take them all in totality and see what the picture is when all they've gathered is (finally) known. We're still working with precious little info, IMHO.

[Anderson]

Anderson - as long as the press has the case number they would know about other warrants issued. This would include warrants issued on other persons that perhaps we have not heard of. Not sure that answers your question but I'm thinking both the press and K & B are checking with Ms. Bobbit on a routine basis to see if there are warrants either sealed or returned related to the specific case number.

That does answer my questions. Don't know what we do without you.:)

[Star12]

blah blah blah blah.....

.....Had substantial, credible evidence pointed to Brad Cooper, he would be in custody......

...blah blah blah blah

:::sigh::: well, I guess they have to spew this stuff. It's all just PR, and they are getting paid to say it.

[SleuthyGal]

I'm curious about the swabs they took from both outside and inside BC's car on each of the (driver's side) door handles. I wonder if they saw something or just did swabs in case there was DNA there.

[Apex-mom]

I'm interested in hearing from the 'fence-sitters' in this case and if the info released today gets you any closer to deciding one way or the other?

SleuthyGal- I had tried to keep an open mind.... maybe this, maybe that, but after reading all this....its not all a coincidence, he's as guilty as H*E*L*L .

Which will be where he ends up after oh, say 30+ years in prison.

The one thing you can say is at least the girls are with her family, which is where Nancy would have wanted them... (not like poor Michelle Young's daughter!).

[raisincharlie]

blah blah blah blah.....

.....Had substantial, credible evidence pointed to Brad Cooper, he would be in custody......

...blah blah blah blah

:::sigh::: well, I guess they have to spew this stuff. It's all just PR, and they are getting paid to say it.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

[perkiomen]

I'm interested in hearing from the 'fence-sitters' in this case and if the info released today gets you any closer to deciding one way or the other?

:Banane19: previous fence-sitter here, but no more. IMO this guy is guilty as sin. I just read the SWs & probable cause and here are the things that make me go, "ah ha!" he DID it:

1. Frantic cleaning that morning (9:00 - 1:00), but fails to mention to LE he had a "planned" tennis game at 9:30 a.m., as he told others
2. "Guessing" at what NC was wearing for her run (I'd be interested to see if she was indeed found in the white tee shirt he said he last saw her in)
3. Vacuuming trunk but not interior of car (why vacuum the trunk where no one looks, but leave the interior a mess? why bother?)
4. "Gasoline spill" in trunk but no odor detected by LE
4. Scratches on neck without explanation
5. Keys found inside the home (even though NC kept them on her person at all times so BC could not get to the important personal documents in her car)
6. HAIR found on INSIDE of trunk lid is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE for me.

After reading the PCA and SWs with this new info, my hinky meter is dinging all over the place!! :furious:

[SleuthyGal]

thank you Apex-mom for weighing in. Is there anything in particular that made you go :eek: and 'that's it!'??

I wasn't on the fence, but I will say the scratches on his neck made me sit up and take notice. Also the 4+ hrs of cleaning, the screwed up timeline, and the hair in the trunk.

[jumpstreet]

Need opinions folks:

Looking at this I am beginning to believe there is no "undisclosed location" and that the warrant for retreival of digital/astral data from the computers is indeed the third warrant. Any thoughts ?

This makes a whole lot more sense (to me) than a theory that the DA and the entire media community have somehow conspired to "keep secret" a mythical 3rd warrant for undisclosed location. [ Sorry RC, but that thought seemed a real stretch to me... ;) ]

Today, when I read the media reports, I thought it was (relatively) clear that the 3rd warrant was indeed for the contents of the computer data. I guess I missed exactly what was making you think otherwise (just curious)?

[DogWood]

Anderson - as long as the press has the case number they would know about other warrants issued. This would include warrants issued on other persons that perhaps we have not heard of. Not sure that answers your question but I'm thinking both the press and K & B are checking with Ms. Bobbit on a routine basis to see if there are warrants either sealed or returned related to the specific case number.

That DA has a tendency to hold on to SW's after they are executed...and not return them for a LONG time...

Just sayin'! :)

ETA: I wonder if the difference was he asked for them to be sealed before they were executed this time?

[SleuthyGal]

Thanks Perkiomen! Your list makes a lot of sense.

[CARYISHOME]

well said, sleuthygal.

She does have a way, doesn't she?

[raisincharlie]

This makes a whole lot more sense (to me) than a theory that the DA and the entire media community have somehow conspired to "keep secret" a mythical 3rd warrant for undisclosed location. [ Sorry RC, but that thought seemed a real stretch to me... ;-) ]

Today, when I read the media reports, I thought it was (relatively) clear that the 3rd warrant was indeed for the contents of the computer data. I guess I missed exactly what was making you think otherwise (just curious)?


Not a theory - have seen it done before on several occasions.

[raisincharlie]

That DA has a tendency to hold on to SW's after they are executed...and not return them for a LONG time...

Just sayin'! :)

I know. it looks like this time however - the "reasonable" timeframe has been adherred to, at least with the ones we have seen that is. :)

[Zoe]

Need opinions folks:

Please note in regard to the "undisclosed location", I am starting to have doubts there is an "undisclosed location". Please note the following video- pay attention to when Mr. Crump shows the sealing order for the 25 July warrant - it does not reference an undisclosed location - truthfully it doesn't reference anything:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/media?id=6295029


And here at WRAL :

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3306798/

"A third warrant, dated July 25, does not specify a search location."

and also at WRAL:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/30/3302839/19507-cooper_warrants_sealed_2.pdf

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Looking at this I am beginning to believe there is no "undisclosed location" and that the warrant for retreival of digital/astral data from the computers is indeed the third warrant. Any thoughts ?

i think you're right about this. i am wondering, perhaps LE needed a search warrant to obtain the CISCO computer "stuff" that was at BC's residence? or, if they could take anything at his residence simply because it was there. i know that when we take computers for forensic examination we cannot take equipment, [ex. laptops, cell phones, etc.] if they are owned by a company due to the confidential/proprietary info in it. of course, i am in the private sector of invetigations and presume that LE can do what they want w/a valid SW. but, just a thought ...

[jumpstreet]

Not a theory - have seen it done before on several occasions.

Was referring to your earlier theory (as I understood it) that it is happening with this particular case. [ Again, fwiw, I thought that probably a 'long shot' ]

If I understand it though, at this point, after further consideration, you're re-thinking (or at least polling the group on) that theory [ again, the theory that there was some media/DA conspiracy in this particular case w.r.t. a mystery warrant] ?

[EnvoyDriver61]

4. "Gasoline spill" in trunk but no odor detected by LE

Does this type of car have a rear gas tank? Do any cars have that any more or are they all on the side (a probable result of fires exploding from rear end collisions). My point then is that the only real reason you'd have for having gas in the trunk, since you aren't filling up a tank from the rear of a car like you used to, would be to fill a gas can for a lawn mower or something.

I doubt Brad did his own lawn. So, what would the gas be for?

Second, isn't gas used by less experienced people as a cleaning fluid or as a cover for other forensically detectable fluids? I wonder if he tried that, even a little, and had to have an explanation for the gas smell, and then when there wasn't a perceptible odor, he looks foolish.

Just my 2 cents.

[Anderson]

:Banane19: previous fence-sitter here, but no more. IMO this guy is guilty as sin. I just read the SWs & probable cause and here are the things that make me go, "ah ha!" he DID it:

1. Frantic cleaning that morning (9:00 - 1:00), but fails to mention to LE he had a "planned" tennis game at 9:30 a.m., as he told others
2. "Guessing" at what NC was wearing for her run (I'd be interested to see if she was indeed found in the white tee shirt he said he last saw her in)
3. Vacuuming trunk but not interior of car (why vacuum the trunk where no one looks, but leave the interior a mess? why bother?)
4. "Gasoline spill" in trunk but no odor detected by LE
4. Scratches on neck without explanation
5. Keys found inside the home (even though NC kept them on her person at all times so BC could not get to the important personal documents in her car)
6. HAIR found on INSIDE of trunk lid is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE for me.

After reading the PCA and SWs with this new info, my hinky meter is dinging all over the place!! :furious:

Great list! He told LE that he did not see her leave, so he wasn't quite sure what she was wearing. I wonder if she was found in something completely different, rather than the white shirt that she had been wearing. Then he may hope that it would look like he was not the last person to see her. Just a thought.

[raisincharlie]

i think you're right about this. i am wondering, perhaps LE needed a search warrant to obtain the CISCO computer "stuff" that was at BC's residence? or, if they could take anything at his residence simply because it was there. i know that when we take computers for forensic examination we cannot take equipment, [ex. laptops, cell phones, etc.] if they are owned by a company due to the confidential/proprietary info in it. of course, i am in the provate sector of invetigations and presume that LE can do what they want w/a valid SW. but, just a thought ...

Zoe,

If the computer stuff in the residence belonged to Cisco - oh well - it was in the residence and therefore covered under the warrant. A review of the warrant for the data retrieval indicates no copy of the warrant was issued to a person or entity - a copy however accompanied the items to the location where the analysis was to be performed.

Looking at the inventory from Cisco it appears that only a thumb drive and an external hard drive were taken, a few discs, documents, and interestingly a telephone and charger unit.

[raisincharlie]

Was referring to your earlier theory (as I understood it) that it is happening with this particular case. [ Again, fwiw, I thought that probably a 'long shot' ]

If I understand it though, at this point, after further consideration, you're re-thinking (or at least polling the group on) that theory [ again, the theory that there was some media/DA conspiracy in this particular case w.r.t. a mystery warrant] ?

From conversing with you I don't think you understand much of what I am thinking actually. No conspiracy issues at all, your words not mine.

[perkiomen]

RC, what do these receipts show?

Receipts were from restaurants and ATMs. Romantic dinners with someone other than his wife, perhaps?

[Roy23]

I will say that I was a fence sitter too. Even though I thought he was most likely guilty, until today I maintained a wait and see attitude. And I don't regret it. This case still concerns me. The fact that Brad had affairs don't mean anything to me. I don't think this case is about this. I think Nancy did have some spending problems and Brad wanted to be in total control of his house due to being the "breadwinner." I am married to an legal resident but she is not a citizen yet. There is an element of control that you can have over your spouse. But Nancy was fighting back and was going to take away his daughter's. I believe that Brad does love his girls but hated his wife.

That is what this case is about. Money and control. And I do believe it was planned. Divorce can make people do bad things. I have seen it. I will also say that Brad has a good attorney. LE is going to have to find a good bit and today we have only seen probable cause to get a warrant. They better have more or he will walk.

[EnvoyDriver61]

Another situation, I don't think anyone has brought up: if a child is sick/disturbed/off their routine enough to need 2 parents at 4 a.m. wakeup, not many mothers would then go running or really even plan on being out of the house until the child was more "herself," especially just two hours later.

Of course, Brad, trying to make himself look good, and NC look bad, doesn't think of that.

[petra]

Not a theory - have seen it done before on several occasions.

Just hoping it is not the girls, for their sake.
Plus with all the restrictions on the extended custody agreement, it tends to possibly lean in that direction. IMO

[Apex-mom]

thank you Apex-mom for weighing in. Is there anything in particular that made you go :eek: and 'that's it!'??

Sleuthygal- In order of importance, IMO:

scratches on back of neck
cleaning frenzy on the SAME DAY SHE GOES MISSING
hair in trunk
clean trunk yet rest of car interior dirty
timeline issues

I would venture to guess they will find a solid DNA link to solve this case. I just dont think he cleaned up as well as he thought (under her fingernails? would he have thought of that? touch DNA; did he dress her?). I think it was an unplanned thing, and he just refuses to give up his life for her... she had come to mean nothing to him. How can he live with himself? I think he'll kill himself before admitting anything to her family, or going to prison.

Oh, and I bet SH knows WAYYYYY more that anyone else. Hope he can't sleep at night either.

[raisincharlie]

Just hoping it is not the girls, for their sake.
Plus with all the restrictions on the extended custody agreement, it tends to possibly lean in that direction. IMO

That is an interesting question isn't it Petra ? The girls are to be in therapy and with custody established as it currently is, Brad would have no say in the matter.

[ncnative]

I will say that I was a fence sitter too. Even though I thought he was most likely guilty, until today I maintained a wait and see attitude. And I don't regret it. This case still concerns me. The fact that Brad had affairs don't mean anything to me. I don't think this case is about this. I think Nancy did have some spending problems and Brad wanted to be in total control of his house due to being the "breadwinner." I am married to an legal resident but she is not a citizen yet. There is an element of control that you can have over your spouse. But Nancy was fighting back and was going to take away his daughter's. I believe that Brad does love his girls but hated his wife.

That is what this case is about. Money and control. And I do believe it was planned. Divorce can make people do bad things. I have seen it. I will also say that Brad has a good attorney. LE is going to have to find a good bit and today we have only seen probable cause to get a warrant. They better have more or he will walk.

Roy, there may be "...an element of control that you can have over your spouse..." in some people's world, but not in mine. No one controls me; I control no one in this marriage of 35 years. :whip2:

I think Brad could've used a bit of control on himself in the alleged adultry as well as the probable resort to murder as a sick way of handling issues.

[SleuthyGal]

RC, I noticed that the items detailed in SW #3 (all the computer stuff from BC home) was ALSO detailed in the SW #1 (items taken from BC home).

That duplication seems unnecessary to me. Any thought on that?

[raisincharlie]

RC, I noticed that the items detailed in SW #3 (all the computer stuff from BC home) was ALSO detailed in the SW #1 (items taken from BC home).

That duplication seems unnecessary to me. Any thought on that?

This warrant listing all the computer items is IMO a warrant which must accompany the seized items to a location with facilities for the retrieval of data from the various drives. In other words forensic computer data retrieval - simply indicates that permission is granted for the retrieval of any and all data that may be found on the drives that may relate to the items listed in Section I. Seems normal to me.

[jumpstreet]

From conversing with you I don't think you understand much of what I am thinking actually. No conspiracy issues at all, your words not mine.

Apologies RC, didn't mean to mis-interpret here! Earlier on the thread, when discussing the 3rd warrant, I recalled:

I believe a deal has been struck between the media and the DA which tends to make me think several things [...] I think we are dealing with a person.

Then, more recently a query to the group:
Looking at this I am beginning to believe there is no "undisclosed location" and that the warrant for retreival of digital/astral data from the computers is indeed the third warrant. Any thoughts ?

I guess I took "struck a deal" as a "conspiracy" of sorts, but wasn't trying to imply anything [ and sorry if that wasn't an accurate representation of your posts on the subject ]

Regardless, if you're looking for thoughts/opinions on whether or not the 3rd warrant is for the data associated with the computers, then fwiw, my thought is that yes, that would seem a reasonable conclusion to me. [ vs some other explanation ]

Again, apologies if I've mis-stated anything you've said (wasn't intentional). :)

[SleuthyGal]

BTW, for ease of use/referral I listed each of the items seized from each SW and put the lists in the legal documents section.

[ncnative]

I'm thinking about the "green colored dress" and the "Corso Como hi-heel" shoes again. My latest question: maybe Nancy bought and new dress and shoes and Brad saw it, got angry and used the shoes/dress as murder weapons. One can do damage with a high heeled shoe. A dress can be used to tie around the neck, etc. Scenario: "OH, so you had to go out and buy another expensive dress and pair of shoes? Well while I'm at it, here's what I think of your shoes and dress...!" And with that, the rage ensues. :furious: Just another brain spasm.

[reddress58]

BTW, for ease of use/referral I listed each of the items seized from each SW and put the lists in the legal documents section.
Thanks, SG. VERY helpful!

[raisincharlie]

Okay - some theories please:

4 am - sick child claim, this would explain any lights that were on that may have been noticed by neighbors ?

After making two trips to HT for milk and laundry detergent Brad takes Katie to his office area - did he just forget about Bella ?

Nancy was doing laundry during the time she was also caring for Katie, so just by chance Brad notices there is no laundry detergent (from affidavit) and decides to pick up some more ?

Just a few questions, I project more coming soon. :crazy:

[reddress58]

I'm thinking about the "green colored dress" and the "Corso Como hi-heel" shoes again. My latest question: maybe Nancy bought and new dress and shoes and Brad saw it, got angry and used the shoes/dress as murder weapons. One can do damage with a high heeled shoe. A dress can be used to tie around the neck, etc. Scenario: "OH, so you had to go out and buy another expensive dress and pair of shoes? Well while I'm at it, here's what I think of your shoes and dress...!" And with that, the rage ensues. :furious: Just another brain spasm.
I've been also wondering about these items. Doesn't seem like attire one would wear to a bbque. They may have been drapped across her bed and/or lying near where the stain was seen, and LE felt because of their proximity these items could have trace evidence of the same fluid.

[jilly]

SleuthyGal Just wanted to give you a huge THANK YOU!:clap: for detailing the S/W info in the media thread! Appreciated!!:blowkiss:

[SleuthyGal]

Okay - some theories please:

4 am - sick child claim, this would explain any lights that were on that may have been noticed by neighbors ?

After making two trips to HT for milk and laundry detergent Brad takes Katie to his office area - did he just forget about Bella ?

Nancy was doing laundry during the time she was also caring for Katie, so just by chance Brad notices there is no laundry detergent (from affidavit) and decides to pick up some more ?

Just a few questions, I project more coming soon. :crazy:

Did BC say they were dealing with a 'sick' child? I don't recall reading that.

Why were BOTH he and Nancy doing laundry early Sat. morning? How many loads of laundry were done? Who did what first?

How late did the kids sleep in on Sat? Did Katie go back to sleep at any point after 4am? What time did the kids actually get up?

[SleuthyGal]

SleuthyGal Just wanted to give you a huge THANK YOU!:clap: for detailing the S/W info in the media thread! Appreciated!!:blowkiss:

You and everyone are VERY WELCOME! I keep needing to refer to items so I figured others would need to as well.

[chauncey7381]

What do you think about scratches and red marks observed on the back of his neck? And the 4+ hours of cleaning?

Hey Sleuthy...

They could be a result of anything! Have no idea how big, deep, shape...I mean I can scratch my neck right now and leave marks. A tag on the back of my shirt could cause red marks. Why didn't Det ask BC how they got there? For all we know, the 2 yr old could have been clinging to her Dad for awhile that day, they were out and about, I assume he carried her in his arms, she could have put them there.

The cleaning. Where's the clorox smell? The luminol? He's in the doghouse for leaving the house in a pig-sty, while she was at Hilton Head Island. Everyone in the 'hood knows NC is on the warpath about the house being filthy, so he's pushing a vacuum, doing laundry, cleaning the johns, the floors...one can argue he's trying to appease NC. There's gotta be a record of a phone call to cancel tennis, he keeps on cleaning, maybe NC will be civil when she gets back. Cleaning for 4 hours, I dunno how much he got done, while having to keep a 2 yr and 4 yr old occupied.

Gas in the trunk? Hair? I've vacuumed/hosed many spills and not bothered to do the whole car. The hair could be any type of hair. Anyones.

The green/veggie stuff could be anything, a rotten banana.

I do wonder about a few things.

1). NC came home after midnight, back up around 4 and goes running on little sleep. Maybe she was used to that, I didnt get a lot of sleep when my two were that young and they are 18 months apart, those were very busy days for me. Was this norm, could she operate on 4 hours of sleep, maybe, did she forget her phone and key, and did she carry them with her religiously?

2). Jessica Adam. Why did this woman insist NC go paint the next morning, and call her the night before at 10:30 pm to make sure she was coming, when she obviously knew NC and BC had a major fight about the painting? Do you think she might regret this now? Is it possible that NC had planned to run by her house and tell her painting might not be a good idea right now given it's causing some tension in the house and something happened to NC while out?

3). Back to COD and TOD. How, what, when, and where's the evidence? From the items ceased, it appears LE is checking fibers.

4). Death by suspicious nature....what does this mean? Face down.

I don't know what to think of the high heels.

[raisincharlie]

Did BC say they were dealing with a 'sick' child? I don't recall reading that.

Why were BOTH he and Nancy doing laundry early Sat. morning? How many loads of laundry were done? Who did what first?

How late did the kids sleep in on Sat? Did Katie go back to sleep at any point after 4am? What time did the kids actually get up?

Last paragraph on page 4 of the probable cause section:

"both he and Nancy had awoke around 0400 to care for their two year old child"

[reddress58]

Okay - some theories please:

4 am - sick child claim, this would explain any lights that were on that may have been noticed by neighbors ?

After making two trips to HT for milk and laundry detergent Brad takes Katie to his office area - did he just forget about Bella ?

Nancy was doing laundry during the time she was also caring for Katie, so just by chance Brad notices there is no laundry detergent (from affidavit) and decides to pick up some more ?

Just a few questions, I project more coming soon. :crazy:
Also he said he cleaned from 9-1 (stated in SW). If NC left the house to run at 7 (stated in affidavit)and he picked up detergent at 6:45, what was he doing from 7-9?

[SleuthyGal]

Last paragraph on page 4 of the probable cause section:

"both he and Nancy had awoke around 0400 to care for their two year old child"

Right. I saw that. 'Caring' for a two year old child can mean lots of things besides a sick child. Nightmare, she heard something, she can't sleep, wants water/food/something....

[raisincharlie]

Also he said he cleaned from 9-1 (stated in SW). If NC left the house to run at 7 (stated in affidavit)and he picked up detergent at 6:45, what was he doing from 7-9?

Looking for a place to dispose of a body - disposing of a body - checking the internet for how to clean certain fluids ? Dunno.

[raisincharlie]

Right. I saw that. 'Caring' for a two year old child can mean lots of things besides a sick child. Nightmare, she heard something, she can't sleep, wants water/food/something....

Okay - point is they were up - lights were probably on - convenient excuse ? It takes both of them ?

[SleuthyGal]

Also he said he cleaned from 9-1 (stated in SW). If NC left the house to run at 7 (stated in affidavit)and he picked up detergent at 6:45, what was he doing from 7-9?

yes, what was he doing from 4am to 6am and then again from 7am to 9am?

[SleuthyGal]

Okay - point is they were up - lights were probably on - convenient excuse ? It takes both of them ?

Yes, convenient excuse. Plus maybe in his own way he's trying to cover himself just in case someone saw him driving the car around 4am or so...

and no, it absolutely does NOT take 2 of them at all. Nopey.

[reddress58]

yes, what was he doing from 4am to 6am and then again from 7am to 9am?
Well, we know what he was doing at 4:20 am. :-)

[raisincharlie]

Well, we know what he was doing at 4:20 am. :-)

I don't :crazy:

[jilly]

I've been stuck on Brad's excuse for "cleaning" the trunk.

Brad Cooper advised both detectives that he had "spilled gas" within the trunk of the vehicle a few weeks prior and wanted to "clean it" for that reason. There was no odor or either gasoline, a cleaning solution or a fragrance within the trunk of the motor vehicle.

When I used to get gas for the lawn mower, I'd put the gas can in the back on the floor behind the driver's seat. Some might spill and yes, there was a smell but for a very short time because it evaporated. So Brad is saying that he cleans after a few weeks!!Why? Was there a stain on the carpet? If so, he would have had to use something like vinegar or liquid dish soap. The detectives couldn't smell any cleaner at all.

:liar:

[SleuthyGal]

Wasn't it NANCY'S BMW in which he 'cleaned the gasoline spill?'

ETA: nope I was wrong. He claimed he spilled gas