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sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 02:48 PM
Thought we could use a new thread.

Continue discussion here.


I thought this may make it easier for those trying to follow along. Maybe we could bump this every page so we have something to refer to or something.


Link to Fox's Web Cam @ Anthony's home: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

Link to Cindy's tirade (raw footage - 10mins) http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

Link to WESH's up to the minute blog: http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Link to immunity deal emails (thanks, Gigi!): http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0829/17335521.pdf


Hope this helps everyone!

Search- TES Saturday 8.30.08 8am
From TES:

Any volunteers can met at the Command Center at:
5750 TG Lee Boulevard
Orlando. The rear parking lot behind the Holiday Inn
Please be there by 8am. You will need a photo ID to participate

You DO NOT need to be a member of TES to volunteer. It has been reported that there was a $25 fee to search. That is erroneous, that is the donation to be a member, which you do not need to do to particpate in the search..


http://www.texasequusearch.org/
Carrying this over.........

CheckDaFacts
08-29-2008, 02:51 PM
Thank you was PM sent to close other thread as they still appear to be there?

Cagney
08-29-2008, 02:52 PM
I just want to commend you that are in the area that are willing to go out and look for little Caylee.
My heart and prayers are with you all this weekend as you do this daunting task. (((HUGS)))

LaLaw2000
08-29-2008, 02:52 PM
Thank you, sleuthmommy!
I was hoping someone would start a new thread!

January.
08-29-2008, 02:52 PM
I knew I would get "scolded" if Fox didn't report anything new after claiming they had breaking news. Shame on me for repeating what they say on TV. :rolleyes:

Blink34
08-29-2008, 02:52 PM
Thanks sleuth, Christine

sabego
08-29-2008, 02:53 PM
My thought on this is that JB called LP. Told him to please not revoke the bond yet, Casey is about to crack. I feel JB is quite a pleader when he wants something.

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 02:53 PM
Yeah, I sent a PM too. That thread was just so long. 31 pages!

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 02:54 PM
I don't want to be a "buzz kill" here but I just feel that at this point it will take a miracle to find Caylee.
I hope TES gets one.
There as simply been way to much time for further decomposition. IMHO. Not to mention, as hard as it is to say it, she may have been put in an area full of gators.

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 02:54 PM
Does anyone wish like I do, that we knew who the father was and if he really died (which I doubt), but in the slim chance he did, that his grave is in North Carolina?

Paladine
08-29-2008, 02:55 PM
I knew I would get "scolded" if Fox didn't report anything new after claiming they had breaking news. Shame on me for repeating what they say on TV. :rolleyes:

I didn't scold you! :) I appreciate the moment by moment reporting, not your fault, it happens, imo.

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 02:55 PM
My thought on this is that JB called LP. Told him to please not revoke the bond yet, Casey is about to crack. I feel JB is quite a pleader when he wants something.

I hope you are right...now that would be news!!

Somethings going on but I cant put my finger on it...

Will some of you other sleuthers tell me what you are thinking?

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 02:56 PM
SuzieQ...I just read that Kiomarie lived across the street from Sawgrass apt...I knew I read someone lived across from there and that is why I was thinking she saw ZG from there. Is that true that she did give LE a corrected address of across the street?

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 02:56 PM
This case is going to end up needing more than a forum before long. We will have to get a whole other site. LOL Sheesh! I never anticipated seeing 149 threads on a case here or as many members/guests reading one forum. Wow.

Kudos to WS for providing this for us who are keeping up with every detail here! GO TRICIA! THANKS!

helloitsme
08-29-2008, 02:56 PM
Bringing this over from the old thread.
"Posted by curiositycat
I feel that what this PI said just now is so true. "Getting this girl out of jail has given the family more time to get her story together. They have resigned themselves to the fact that the child is dead and now they are standing behind their daughter. The worst thing that could have happened was this bounty hunter getting this girl out of jail"

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 02:56 PM
I don't want to be a "buzz kill" here but I just feel that at this point it will take a miracle to find Caylee.
I hope TES gets one.
There as simply been way to much time for further decomposition. IMHO. Not to mention, as hard as it is to say it, she may have been put in an area full of gators.

While the odds are against it, with Casey not giving them a location...I would never bet against Tim Miller.

ShinaLite
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
car coming out the garage again

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
SuzieQ...I just read that Kiomarie lived across the street from Sawgrass apt...I knew I read someone lived across from there and that is why I was thinking she saw ZG from there. Is that true that she did give LE a corrected address of across the street?

Kiomarie is the key. I am telling you, she knows something!

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
Breaking News can mean any of the following
Major breaking news
A great piece of video (car chase, fire, etc)
A sensational, but not important, piece of news
Old news, like fourteen hours after Joe Biden was picked -- it was still Breaking News
NG has the graphic Breaking News up every night -- no matter developments
Also see: Blockbuster info, Shocking Devlopements, You Won't Believe This, You'll Only See HEre

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
Someone's leaving. Or moved their car out of the garage and is now getting out of the car.

George?

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
Does anyone wish like I do, that we knew who the father was and if he really died (which I doubt), but in the slim chance he did, that his grave is in North Carolina?

Nice thought, but I doubt it. This girl slept with 3 men that we know of in May and June. I doubt if she has a clue who the baby daddy is.

She put the "spin" on it to make an excuse as to why the daddy completely ignored Caylee. I am sure her friends asked. I think it made her sound more respectable to say "He was killed on Caylee's first birthday"

She doesn't know who the dad is. She doesn't care.

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
Any idea who George is talking to in the front yard?

GA2FL_Girl
08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
George is in Driveway w/ car

sciteach
08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
George home

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
Does anyone wish like I do, that we knew who the father was and if he really died (which I doubt), but in the slim chance he did, that his grave is in North Carolina?

Just curious...what makes you ask if his grave is in North Carolina?

swa
08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
I hope you are right...now that would be news!!

Somethings going on but I cant put my finger on it...

Will some of you other sleuthers tell me what you are thinking?

Here's what I'm thinking:

LP had a change of heart because fellow bondsman told him it would look bad to their profession to revoke it.

Casey is not going to crack EVER. She spent over 30 days in jail and never said a word.

magiemay
08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
Mr Anthony is home check the lice cam at house

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
Kiomarie is the key. I am telling you, she knows something!
I am with you on this one.

Dr. Pennypacker
08-29-2008, 02:59 PM
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/icons/i/ive_been_bad-1221.gif

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 02:59 PM
While the odds are against it, with Casey not giving them a location...I would never bet against Tim Miller.

He is the only chance Caylee has left. But even he can't make something out of nothing.
I pray I am wrong!:mad:

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 02:59 PM
Here's what I'm thinking:

LP had a change of heart because fellow bondsman told him it would look bad to their profession to revoke it.

Casey is not going to crack EVER. She spent over 30 days in jail and never said a word.

Oh NO Swa!!!

Those are my thoughts but I was hoping nobody agreed with me???!!!

Well, can we comfort ourselves by saying Great minds think alike????

miss lisa
08-29-2008, 03:00 PM
I don't want to be a "buzz kill" here but I just feel that at this point it will take a miracle to find Caylee.
I hope TES gets one.
There as simply been way to much time for further decomposition. IMHO. Not to mention, as hard as it is to say it, she may have been put in an area full of gators.

Curiositycat, I asked this on a different thread and maybe you didn't see it so I will ask again. What was your opinion on the video with Cindy and the hammer?

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:00 PM
Hmmm, who's George talking with and walking with. He took the car out of the garage and now is walking around with someone in the yard.

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 03:00 PM
I knew I would get "scolded" if Fox didn't report anything new after claiming they had breaking news. Shame on me for repeating what they say on TV. :rolleyes:I don't think you are being scolded at all. It's sad that we can't believe what we see/hear on TV, no matter the source.

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:01 PM
Bringing this over from the old thread.
"Posted by curiositycat
I feel that what this PI said just now is so true. "Getting this girl out of jail has given the family more time to get her story together. They have resigned themselves to the fact that the child is dead and now they are standing behind their daughter. The worst thing that could have happened was this bounty hunter getting this girl out of jail"

Thank you for bringing this over - I was about to comment on it when the thread closed. Just want to say that I agree with that statement 100%, though I don't think that was LP's intention.

shadow of my mind
08-29-2008, 03:02 PM
That there is more to this than we think. That more people are involved. The report is likley Caylee's hair and there was a dead body. For me the timeline for the time the tow truck picked up the car and when the Anthony's got the notice is too long. I need to go back and reread. There was a doc about some type of database with address of owner on it.

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:02 PM
Just curious...what makes you ask if his grave is in North Carolina?

It has come up alot and I have also followed ****************s.com, he works with the bodyhunters team (Gail, psychic). Anway, I am not into that stuff, but there seems to be a reason to believe NC is connected somehow. And, that guy in the jail who said that CA said that Caylee is with her Ex. Maybe not true, but who knows.

swa
08-29-2008, 03:02 PM
Oh NO Swa!!!

Those are my thoughts but I was hoping nobody agreed with me???!!!

Well, can we comfort ourselves by saying Great minds think alike????

Casey has been home for over a week and Cindy said she hasn't even mentioned Caylee to Casey?

What are they doing in that house? Watching Seinfeld? Playing Wii? Having a BBQ?

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:02 PM
I really want an explanation as to why he changed his mind about the bond. I want to know why they are baking brownies. I want to know why Casey is spending 8 hours a day at her lawyers. I want to know why this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 03:03 PM
Curiositycat, I asked this on a different thread and maybe you didn't see it so I will ask again. What was your opinion on the video with Cindy and the hammer?

I think she will soon have to be escorted to a mental health facility. She is worse mentally then she has ever been.

What do you think, Lisa? :confused:

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:03 PM
Nice thought, but I doubt it. This girl slept with 3 men that we know of in May and June. I doubt if she has a clue who the baby daddy is.

She put the "spin" on it to make an excuse as to why the daddy completely ignored Caylee. I am sure her friends asked. I think it made her sound more respectable to say "He was killed on Caylee's first birthday"

She doesn't know who the dad is. She doesn't care.

Or maybe she does know, and he doesn't care. IMOO

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:03 PM
Casey has been home for over a week and Cindy said she hasn't even mentioned Caylee to Casey?

What are they doing in that house? Watching Seinfeld? Playing Wii? Having a BBQ?

Baking brownies and doing laundry.

swa
08-29-2008, 03:03 PM
I really want an explanation as to why he changed his mind about the bond. I want to know why they are baking brownies. I want to know why Casey is spending 8 hours a day at her lawyers. I want to know why this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?

The reason why it is allowed to go on -- is because the detectives believe it was an accident.

They can't drum her up on first degree murder charges -- when they don't even believe that is what happened. So what do they get her on?

She's not going to talk.

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:04 PM
I'm surprised the cameras haven't totally swarmed George and the person he's talking to..........

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:04 PM
They are probably discussing where to put the keg for the weekend festivities!

IrishSweetOne
08-29-2008, 03:04 PM
JB & LP new interview
http://www.wftv.com/video/17336376/index.html

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:05 PM
My thought on this is that JB called LP. Told him to please not revoke the bond yet, Casey is about to crack. I feel JB is quite a pleader when he wants something.

You could go insane trying to figure it out, wherever Padilla is concerned. I don't think that the usual rules apply here because Padilla's involvement is atypical. He seems to be motivated primarily by self-interest and publicity. Therefore, it's difficult to analyze his actions based on factors that would traditionally apply to the relationship between bondsperson, bounty hunter and criminal defendant.

shadow of my mind
08-29-2008, 03:05 PM
I am with you on this one.

I aslo agree. Just too much to disregard her. She was suppose to have been on the June 9th bandwagon like everyone else but got the month wrong and had to backtrack with changing it to a different Casey.

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 03:05 PM
I really want an explanation as to why he changed his mind about the bond. I want to know why they are baking brownies. I want to know why Casey is spending 8 hours a day at her lawyers. I want to know why this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?

Not one of them is crying for Caylee because they have ALL reconciled themselves to the fact that she has gone. Now they are protecting their daughter.

I believe LP was given more money to secure her safety. Money and fame seem to be the motivating facts for him.

I think she is spending 8 hours a day with JB, because if she and her crazy mother are left in the same house together for long they will lose it.

IMHO

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:05 PM
I think the guy must be friend or neighbor. He isn't a reporter because he isn't being told to go away. He is rather large, amybe he is part of the increased security detail.

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:06 PM
They are probably discussing where to put the keg for the weekend festivities!

bow chicka bow wow...chicka chicka chicka.....:woohoo:

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:06 PM
I really want an explanation as to why he changed his mind about the bond. I want to know why they are baking brownies. I want to know why Casey is spending 8 hours a day at her lawyers. I want to know why this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?

There has to be a really good reason, because he could get his 50G cash bond back right?

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 03:07 PM
So Casey is with Baez today, Cindy is now out, and George finally shows his face in the yard (he moved the car to allow Casey to get into the house, imo). Not much to see if you ask me. Watching paint dry. Watching water boil. Ugh. I guess I don't see the point of the live feed at the house.

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:07 PM
I really want an explanation as to why he changed his mind about the bond. I want to know why they are baking brownies. I want to know why Casey is spending 8 hours a day at her lawyers. I want to know why this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?

Not ONCE, Suspicious!! Not a tear.....

And your post says it all...I, too, am tired of these clowns bashing the media, LE, everyone but their daughter.

I am sick of BH playing a game....

Has any of them been told by their mamas to think before your speak???/

dreamfeather
08-29-2008, 03:07 PM
I think the guy must be friend or neighbor. He isn't a reporter because he isn't being told to go away. He is rather large, amybe he is part of the increased security detail.

They're probably giving him a grand tour and showing him where they keep the hose just in case.

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:07 PM
Why does the sound of JB's voice make me want to vomit

miss lisa
08-29-2008, 03:08 PM
I think she will soon have to be escorted to a mental health facility. She is worse mentally then she has ever been.

What do you think, Lisa? :confused:

Honestly not completely sure what I think. You always seem to have a great read on people that's why I asked. I just can't get past the nonsense that has fallen out of every single family members mouth. Especially that video Cindy. I've watched that thing numerous times. Just can't get past it. Crazy I know....

karenmamo
08-29-2008, 03:09 PM
Why does the sound of JB's voice make me want to vomit

Cause he is like casey....few truths escape his lips....sleeze ball(s)

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:09 PM
I don't want to be a "buzz kill" here but I just feel that at this point it will take a miracle to find Caylee.

I agree. And I doubt that Casey will help, even if she is able to. I think that she will insist on a trial, as is her right. It appears that she will maintain her innocence and tell Baez that she does not want to go through life as a convicted felon, thus forcing LE to prove their case in a Court of Law.

For what it's worth, it appears as if any potential charges against LE based on either on intent to kill, or on criminal responsibility for Caylee's death based on grossly negligent or reckless conduct, would be based entirely on speculation.

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:09 PM
Why does the sound of JB's voice make me want to vomit

I don't know, I feel that way about Nancy Grace, yet my sad little self still watches her.

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:09 PM
JB & LP new interview
http://www.wftv.com/video/17336376/index.html

Thank you for that.

JB is now making LP look like a fool too. Both of them make me sick, all they care about is getting press out of this.

IMO

miss lisa
08-29-2008, 03:10 PM
bow chicka bow wow...chicka chicka chicka.....:woohoo:

And the pole! Casey IS home you know!

MrBosox78
08-29-2008, 03:10 PM
That there is more to this than we think. That more people are involved. The report is likley Caylee's hair and there was a dead body. For me the timeline for the time the tow truck picked up the car and when the Anthony's got the notice is too long. I need to go back and reread. There was a doc about some type of database with address of owner on it.

My thoughts as well.

I do have one question... please help answer as I'm not a decomp expert:

How long does a body have to sit in a car to make it wreak of human decomposition?



I ask this because George "supposedly" got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th(afternoon), and the car was left in the check cashing parking lot sometime between then and the 26/27th. The body could not have been there after the 27th unless someone went back to it after and removed it(anything goes in this case I guess).

I would personally think a body would have to be in the car for at least 2 days, but I'm only a Corp. Manager... Anyone else?

My theory is George saw Caylee, dead in the trunk at one point.

FYI I've been lurking here for a while(few mths), but didn't have an email address I could use to join. 'Til recently.

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:10 PM
And I should add, how disgusting that he tells the press before he even tells his client. IMO

sciteach
08-29-2008, 03:11 PM
Guy in white shirt HAS to be security... We have not seen ANY friends or neighbors just DROP in for a visit this whole time...

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:11 PM
Why does the sound of JB's voice make me want to vomit

Because you live in the real world and have common sense! :clap:

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:11 PM
You know, Tony has been very nice on WS but in my opinion, this whole revoke, not revoke, etc. makes them look like rank amateurs!

momtective
08-29-2008, 03:11 PM
Have nothing of substance to add to the conversation...just wanted y'all to know I'm here..refreshing, watching live video, reading, refreshing, watching live video...

MD MOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:12 PM
I'm so glad the webcam is watching the house...

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 03:12 PM
Honestly not completely sure what I think. You always seem to have a great read on people that's why I asked. I just can't get past the nonsense that has fallen out of every single family members mouth. Especially that video Cindy. I've watched that thing numerous times. Just can't get past it. Crazy I know....
I can tell you that if a person is truly nutzo, stress makes them more nutzo.

I believe that she will soon crack. I think the tension in that house is so strong you can cut it with a knife.

I think she projects her feelings onto others, the parasite, maggots, ect. She is telling us what she thinks about herself.

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:12 PM
You know, Tony has been very nice on WS but in my opinion, this whole revoke, not revoke, etc. makes them look like rank amateurs!

IMO, he is a nice person and I would just hope all can reserve judgement until we know the whole story.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:12 PM
SuzieQ...I just read that Kiomarie lived across the street from Sawgrass apt...I knew I read someone lived across from there and that is why I was thinking she saw ZG from there. Is that true that she did give LE a corrected address of across the street?

Kiomarie and sawgrass went from she lived in sawgrass, to across then finally up the street. There was a bit of jumping the gun. I would have to go reread but the corrected address, IIRC, came from another board that misinterpreted what one of our posters posted. I believe a former address in a data search yielded info from years past. There was no incorrect address to correct to begin with.

eg@gm
08-29-2008, 03:13 PM
Get this: Not that we all didn't know that Casey's e-mails were fake, but I looked into each one of the yahoo's she had cc'd and such in her e-mails. This is what I found:

gabe.marsh --- e-mail address created 5/14/08 (same day e-mail sent to her)

cheryl.davis76 --- e-mail address created 5/14/08 (same day e-mail sent to her)

trusciano775 --- created 4/8/08. CC's in e-mail from cheryl.

gapgirl14 --- seems legit. Created in 1999. Person would be 24 and living in Florida.

jlewis --- created 3/3/02. No info on owner of account, though.

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 03:13 PM
My thoughts as well.

I do have one question... please help answer as I'm not a decomp expert:

How long does a body have to sit in a car to make it wreak of human decomposition?

I ask this because George "supposedly" got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th(afternoon), and the car was left in the check cashing parking lot sometime between then and the 26/27th. The body could not have been there after the 27th unless someone went back to it after and removed it(anything goes in this case I guess).

I would personally think a body would have to be in the car for at least 2 days, but I'm only a Corp. Manager... Anyone else?

FYI I've been lurking here for a while(few mths), but didn't have an email address I could use to join.Not an expert either, but in the Florida heat...probably not too long. However, I believe that she was first buried before she entered the vehicle and was already in a more advanced state of decomp than simply being left there right after she died.

Welcome to WS!

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
Kills me their is no cam on Baez office- how the hell long does it take to eat brownies

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
Not ONCE, Suspicious!! Not a tear.....

And your post says it all...I, too, am tired of these clowns bashing the media, LE, everyone but their daughter.

I am sick of BH playing a game....

Has any of them been told by their mamas to think before your speak???/

I can not get past the fact that I have not seen ANY of them shed even ONE tear during all this time!!! How is that possible??? I don't care what lies they are telling themselves, I cry when I miss someone. Even in their twisted minds little Caylee is at least missing...so why no tears??? Thousands of strangers have shed tears for little Caylee, but her own family can't?? Outrageous!

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
Have nothing of substance to add to the conversation...just wanted y'all to know I'm here..refreshing, watching live video, reading, refreshing, watching live video...
LOL..we all have something to add. You just made me smile in the middle of this crazy mess.:crazy:

Lanie
08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
This case is going to end up needing more than a forum before long. We will have to get a whole other site. LOL Sheesh! I never anticipated seeing 149 threads on a case here or as many members/guests reading one forum. Wow.

Kudos to WS for providing this for us who are keeping up with every detail here! GO TRICIA! THANKS!

Boy, ain't that the truth? I remember on the old server, seeing a long time ago the most people ever on, which had been the day before, and thinking I was sorry I missed it. I learned my lesson, lol.
Very many thanks go out to Tricia from me, also!
Lanie

catherineb
08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
JB & LP new interview
http://www.wftv.com/video/17336376/index.html

I'm pretty sickened....don't even know what to say, really.

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:14 PM
IMO, he is a nice person and I would just hope all can reserve judgement until we know the whole story.

ITA. He is in a very tough place right now.

miss lisa
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
I can tell you that if a person is truly nutzo, stress makes them more nutzo.

I believe that she will soon crack. I think the tension in that house is so strong you can cut it with a knife.

I think she projects her feelings onto others, the parasite, maggots, ect. She is telling us what she thinks about herself.

That's kinda where I was headed with the exception I was feeling that was what she was thinking/feeling about Casey as well.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Kiomarie is the key. I am telling you, she knows something!

It's more likely Casey borrowed bits and pieces of people she knew to incorporate into her lies. Sure there are going to be connections, because Casey created them.

impatientredhead
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
My thoughts as well.

I do have one question... please help answer as I'm not a decomp expert:

How long does a body have to sit in a car to make it wreak of human decomposition?

I ask this because George "supposedly" got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th(afternoon), and the car was left in the check cashing parking lot sometime between then and the 26/27th. The body could not have been there after the 27th unless someone went back to it after and removed it(anything goes in this case I guess).

I would personally think a body would have to be in the car for at least 2 days, but I'm only a Corp. Manager... Anyone else?

FYI I've been lurking here for a while(few mths), but didn't have an email address I could use to join. 'Til recently.


Decomp is accelerated by heat and of course smaller bodies decompose faster overall as well. The heat in the trunk midday is estimated to be 130 plus degrees. According to the body farm it takes 2 days of 80 degree heat for the skin to start to come off in sheets. I think the car would easily reek within a day or two.

Babyfeets
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Kiomarie and sawgrass went from she lived in sawgrass, to across then finally up the street. There was a bit of jumping the gun. I would have to go reread but the corrected address, IIRC, came from another board that misinterpreted what one of our posters posted. I believe a former address in a data search yielded info from years past. There was no incorrect address to correct to begin with.

What does IIRC stand for? I am so trying to learn my way around WS. You guys are great!:clap:

Theonly1
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
I did not want to mention this on the board but I called the owners of Trackshack (as I know them personally) earlier this week and told one of the owners about the clothes. They are in California for a run this week. I explained the find at Blanchard Park, that it may have *nothing* to do with Caylee, and that I saw their logo on a shirt (that may have been a sponsor logo along with other logos) which was discovered. He said he had not been contacted by LE (maybe because it has nothing to do with Casey/Caylee). I saw that logo the first day the pictures were posted, but I didn't feel impelled to act on it until I read the discovery documents where Casey implied she was a runner. I told him everything I knew and I suggested that they check their database/s to see if Casey was in any of their sponsored runs or purchased anything from their store. Short of that, in my opinion that logo/shirt was a few years old so Trackshack would not be able to shed any light on the matter unless she was a client of theirs and they could tie that black running top (with the white piping) to Casey.
T

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
You know, Tony has been very nice on WS but in my opinion, this whole revoke, not revoke, etc. makes them look like rank amateurs!

I agree. I am truly disappointed in the way this has turned out. No one in this case wants to take a position and stay with it.

I want that girl in JAIL. Not running around with her brownies. It reminds me on when I sent my children to school with treats for the rest of the class.

If they had of left her there, she would have IMHO, more of an incentive to talk. Of course, I never think she will talk..in or out of jail.

zadari
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
So Casey is with Baez today, Cindy is now out, and George finally shows his face in the yard (he moved the car to allow Casey to get into the house, imo). Not much to see if you ask me. Watching paint dry. Watching water boil. Ugh. I guess I don't see the point of the live feed at the house. imho its awful the press is even doing that .. i dont understand why its being allowed . that is an awful invasion of privacy and its unprofessional and tacky ..

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Kiomarie and sawgrass went from she lived in sawgrass, to across then finally up the street. There was a bit of jumping the gun. I would have to go reread but the corrected address, IIRC, came from another board that misinterpreted what one of our posters posted. I believe a former address in a data search yielded info from years past. There was no incorrect address to correct to begin with.
Thanks! Know wonder I am getting confused.

JMCDAD
08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Isn't it ironic that they are wearing shirts and driving around with messages on their cars to find Caylee, call ###,
And the person that can do that is sitting in their house

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
I really want an explanation as to why he changed his mind about the bond. I want to know why they are baking brownies. I want to know why Casey is spending 8 hours a day at her lawyers. I want to know why this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?

Padilla changed his mind because he can. Padilla's in it for the publicity. He basically paid his way into this drama and appears to be the only player involved that is enjoying every minute of it.

Brownies? I dunno. Maybe they were hungry. Beats me.

LE will be very lenient in allowing Casey to visit Baez. Constitutional right to an attorney stuff and all. Perhaps these increased meetings are a reflection of the hurried pace that this case is suddenly moving at.

When I was a kid, I loved the circus.

MD MOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
Kills me their is no cam on Baez office- how the hell long does it take to eat brownies

Maybe he is having a hard time digesting the nuts.

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
IMO, he is a nice person and I would just hope all can reserve judgement until we know the whole story.I agree. I feel he has also been quite professional in his interviews with the media and he will have legit reasons for his actions.

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
You know, Tony has been very nice on WS but in my opinion, this whole revoke, not revoke, etc. makes them look like rank amateurs!

What bothers me, is he certainly doesnt stand by his word. He first states that he is going to find caylee alive. He believes Casey. the 400 page document doesnt mean anything to him. he is going to revoke his bond. all this in front of america.

now caylee is feared dead.
he doesnt believe Casey
the 400 pages make a huge difference to him
and now he isnt going to revoke her bond.

Just out of committment to america...he should stand by his works. I sure would!!:behindbar

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
Why does the sound of JB's voice make me want to vomit

It does for me too. And if he's using his office to babysit bailees, that ought to be investigated. IMO

LP looks like someone who is very happy to capitalize on this tragedy...IMO. I wish they'd stop putting him and his comrades on tv. IMO

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
IMO, he is a nice person and I would just hope all can reserve judgement until we know the whole story.

I will, Blink. But this fiasco today makes them look bad. LP saying even this morning...No chance I will change my mind....then a convo with Baez and OOPS...changed it.

I am sorry but that was not good. I have liked these guys and believe that they did this for the right reasons..(bail is a right for most people...) but this is becoming like a zoo.
JMO

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:16 PM
what is this demonstration LP kepps referring to that is supposed to happen on monday?

GizzySmith
08-29-2008, 03:17 PM
I think the guy must be friend or neighbor. He isn't a reporter because he isn't being told to go away. He is rather large, amybe he is part of the increased security detail.
When his back was to us he was leaning to the side and I thought it was Tim because he stands like that at times. Totally wrong there. The posture is very relaxed, so I thought friend or neighbor. The mics aren't in their faces so it must be personal.

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:17 PM
You know, Tony has been very nice on WS but in my opinion, this whole revoke, not revoke, etc. makes them look like rank amateurs!

What bothers me, is he certainly doesnt stand by his word. He first states that he is going to find caylee alive. He believes Casey. the 400 page document doesnt mean anything to him. he is going to revoke his bond. all this in front of america.

now caylee is feared dead.
he doesnt believe Casey
the 400 pages make a huge difference to him
and now he isnt going to revoke her bond.

Just out of committment to america...he should stand by his words. I sure would!!:behindbar

Emma Peel
08-29-2008, 03:17 PM
Curiositycat, I asked this on a different thread and maybe you didn't see it so I will ask again. What was your opinion on the video with Cindy and the hammer?

I'm not curiosity cat. But I had just posted this on the other thread about Cindy's thoughts. I have to say that particular image from yesterday was burned into my head. Raw. Wow.

Would love to hear from Curiosity cat, but here are my thoughts:

Sometimes, Cindy takes my breath away. The pounding in the no-tresspassing signs exercise we watched yesterday - yesterday made tears stream down my face. Don't people realize what we witnessed there?

The physical manifestation of Cindy's exhausted, clouded, tortured mind and heart: "Keep off my property, keep off my heart, keep off my brain, respect my family while we deal with this devastating pain."

By the way, the guy in the Hawaiian shirt helping Cindy draw the lines of defense around her grief ... he's another of my new heros. What a sweetheart to go out and help that poor woman.

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:18 PM
It's more likely Casey borrowed bits and pieces of people she knew to incorporate into her lies. Sure there are going to be connections, because Casey created them.

You didn't find her interview and backtracking to be suspicious?

MnkeyBznes
08-29-2008, 03:20 PM
You know, Tony has been very nice on WS but in my opinion, this whole revoke, not revoke, etc. makes them look like rank amateurs!


Remember tho they are riding this roller coaster first hand not on a message board like the rest of us. Tony has been very gracious and honest answering questions here. (in my opinion)

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:20 PM
There has to be a really good reason, because he could get his 50G cash bond back right?

No chance, it's gone.

LaLaw2000
08-29-2008, 03:20 PM
I just HAVE to say this - I had written an apology over on the Padilla thread the other evening right after Leonard had stated that had he read or known the contents of the 400+ pages of documents, he would not have bailed Casey out. I thought that he handled that well and felt guilty about blasting him for getting Casey out in the first place.

Then when LP announced yesterday and last night that Casey's bond was going to be revoked due to safety issues and that he no longer felt little Caylee was alive, I applauded him for that. I knew TES was in town and I know what a top notch organization that is.

This morning on TV, I watched LP affirm that Casey WAS going back to jail on Saturday.

NOW LP is NOT going to revoke Casey's bond. OK, now I am mad. Sorry to those who are still fans, but this has done it for me. Casey needs to be back in jail, IMO. LE will get the evidence they need and be able to indite her for a homicide soon. And I do not want Casey to get any sort of immunity, either.

I am a Caylee advocate, and have tremendous faith in Tim Miller and TES! Casey lies so much I do not see how LE can believe anything she says anyway!

Sorry. I just had to rant!

carole
08-29-2008, 03:21 PM
That there is more to this than we think. That more people are involved. The report is likley Caylee's hair and there was a dead body. For me the timeline for the time the tow truck picked up the car and when the Anthony's got the notice is too long. I need to go back and reread. There was a doc about some type of database with address of owner on it.

I thought the documents released said that the car was towed on June 27 and was picked up by the grandparents on the following Monday.

Truthwillsetufree
08-29-2008, 03:21 PM
I just want to commend you that are in the area that are willing to go out and look for little Caylee.
My heart and prayers are with you all this weekend as you do this daunting task. (((HUGS)))

Me too ! I don't want anyone to have to find her but I sure hope she is found, now how stupid is that?:bang:

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:21 PM
So Casey is with Baez today, Cindy is now out, and George finally shows his face in the yard (he moved the car to allow Casey to get into the house, imo). Not much to see if you ask me. Watching paint dry. Watching water boil. Ugh. I guess I don't see the point of the live feed at the house.

Ratings.......IMO

tx_Dot
08-29-2008, 03:22 PM
Kiomarie is the key. I am telling you, she knows something!

Why ??....... she voluntarily went to LE

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:22 PM
I really want an explanation as to why ... this circus is being allowed to go on, and on, and on.

Has anyody ever seen any of these people cry for Caylee?The reason why it is allowed to go on -- is because the detectives believe it was an accident.

The detectives have likely not ruled out that Caylee's death was more than an innocent accident. But they don't have a shred of evidence to support that theory.

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 03:22 PM
imho its awful the press is even doing that .. i dont understand why its being allowed . that is an awful invasion of privacy and its unprofessional and tacky ..

This has never happened in any other case. The reason it is happening in this case is not the media's fault. Cindy and George started this circus.
These people need to take responsibility for their own behavior.

Sorry, I just dislike this family so much. I try to find a bit of compassion for them and anytime I do then Cindy comes running out with a hammer or something. Add to this the fact that they change their mind from day to day and can't stick to one story and they lie as easily as others breathe.

The media watches the circus, because like us they just can't believe what they are seeing.

Just my opinion..that and about 48 cents more will buy ya a soda:)

Patty G
08-29-2008, 03:23 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:23 PM
Why ??....... she voluntarily went to LE

And guilty parties regularly insert themselves into criminal investigations.

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:24 PM
I just HAVE to say this - I had written an apology over on the Padilla thread the other evening right after Leonard had stated that had he read or known the contents of the 400+ pages of documents, he would not have bailed Casey out. I thought that he handled that well and felt guilty about blasting him for getting Casey out in the first place.

Then when LP announced yesterday and last night that Casey's bond was going to be revoked due to safety issues and that he no longer felt little Caylee was alive, I applauded him for that. I knew TES was in town and I know what a top notch organization that is.

This morning on TV, I watched LP affirm that Casey WAS going back to jail on Saturday.

NOW LP is NOT going to revoke Casey's bond. OK, now I am mad. Sorry to those who are still fans, but this has done it for me. Casey needs to be back in jail, IMO. LE will get the evidence they need and be able to indite her for a homicide soon. And I do not want Casey to get any sort of immunity, either.

I am a Caylee advocate, and have tremendous faith in Tim Miller and TES! Casey lies so much I do not see how LE can believe anything she says anyway!

Sorry. I just had to rant!

Ok, if Orange County detectives have the dead body evidence, then she will be arrested, no need to revoke. They (Orange County) still has not confirmed that evidence right? If they truly have the evidence in hand, then why is she still out?

Chilly Willy
08-29-2008, 03:24 PM
imho its awful the press is even doing that .. i dont understand why its being allowed . that is an awful invasion of privacy and its unprofessional and tacky ..

I agree. I can't imagine what it's like to live in a home where you can't even use the bathroom without fear that some reporter might be holding a camera to the window. There should be a law.

Elley Mae
08-29-2008, 03:24 PM
The car was abandoned sometime before 7am on the 27th June,it was towed on the 30th June George and Cindy picked it up on the 15th July after receiving a registered letter on the 13th July according to George.

Emma Peel
08-29-2008, 03:24 PM
Oops - I meant to add to my recent post about the tresspassing signs (post 99 this thread, page 4)...

The tresspassing signs = the hose idea, only less risky for Cindy.

Sometimes, I think I'd have liked to seen the hose idea implemented.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:25 PM
What does IIRC stand for? I am so trying to learn my way around WS. You guys are great!:clap:

IIRC=If I remember correctly :)

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 03:25 PM
You didn't find her interview and backtracking to be suspicious?

I sure did and the fact that her boyfriend wouldn't let her hand over the phone records. Yeah...that is suspicious to me.

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:25 PM
Remember tho they are riding this roller coaster first hand not on a message board like the rest of us. Tony has been very gracious and honest answering questions here. (in my opinion)

Oh he absolutely has! But this still looks kookie.

I think all of this should have been thought through, discussed with Baez (if thats what they want to do) before telling the world that shes going back Saturday morning!

Thats all I am saying...NOT impugning their character.

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:25 PM
Why does the sound of JB's voice make me want to vomit
I don't know, I feel that way about Nancy Grace, yet my sad little self still watches her.


I agree. NG bothers me much more so than Baez.

gigi2009
08-29-2008, 03:25 PM
Robotdog!! Not a rant at all--just praise--LOL.

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:25 PM
I thought the documents released said that the car was towed on June 27 and was picked up by the grandparents on the following Monday.

Abandoned on June 27th, towed on June 30th, notice was mailed to Anthony's and they picked up on July 15th (same day they got the notice)

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 03:26 PM
That there is more to this than we think. That more people are involved. The report is likley Caylee's hair and there was a dead body. For me the timeline for the time the tow truck picked up the car and when the Anthony's got the notice is too long. I need to go back and reread. There was a doc about some type of database with address of owner on it.
This is a new one. Are you saying that there was cover-up going on during the time the car was in the tow pound? What info makes you thiink that?

MrBosox78
08-29-2008, 03:26 PM
Decomp is accelerated by heat and of course smaller bodies decompose faster overall as well. The heat in the trunk midday is estimated to be 130 plus degrees. According to the body farm it takes 2 days of 80 degree heat for the skin to start to come off in sheets. I think the car would easily reek within a day or two.

Hm. So it's close. Thanks. I'll have to re-read the docs and see when the check cashing employee first saw the car. I thought was the 26th but I could be wrong.

Either way, I don't think it was gas cans GA saw or at least only gas cans.

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:26 PM
The George has left the building.

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:26 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Wow - thats what was going on?

MD MOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:27 PM
Why ??....... she voluntarily went to LE

I agree with Concerned Mom. I think she's webbed into this somehow, I don't care if she went to LE or not.

edgeofnight
08-29-2008, 03:27 PM
Isn't it ironic that they are wearing shirts and driving around with messages on their cars to find Caylee, call ###,
And the person that can do that is sitting in their house

Such nerve, is there not one family member who can stop this madness, I can't believe no one feels any shame for this circus. How are they paying for living expenses, it doesn't appear anyone is working.

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:27 PM
Get this: Not that we all didn't know that Casey's e-mails were fake, but I looked into each one of the yahoo's she had cc'd and such in her e-mails. This is what I found:

gabe.marsh --- e-mail address created 5/14/08 (same day e-mail sent to her)

cheryl.davis76 --- e-mail address created 5/14/08 (same day e-mail sent to her)

trusciano775 --- created 4/8/08. CC's in e-mail from cheryl.

gapgirl14 --- seems legit. Created in 1999. Person would be 24 and living in Florida.

jlewis --- created 3/3/02. No info on owner of account, though.

Hmmm, isn't the bolded the cop that was just fired?

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:27 PM
I sure did and the fact that her boyfriend wouldn't let her hand over the phone records. Yeah...that is suspicious to me.

She also took him to or met him at their secret hideout, instead of him coming to her house.

I feel like clothing (if they are CA) in blanchard park was a plant to deter everyone. Just a hunch, though.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:27 PM
What bothers me, is he certainly doesnt stand by his word. He first states that he is going to find caylee alive. He believes Casey. the 400 page document doesnt mean anything to him. he is going to revoke his bond. all this in front of america.

now caylee is feared dead.
he doesnt believe Casey
the 400 pages make a huge difference to him
and now he isnt going to revoke her bond.

Just out of committment to america...he should stand by his works. I sure would!!:behindbar

Tony has never flipped flopped. He's always stated he doesn't want to revoke Casey's bond.

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
I will, Blink. But this fiasco today makes them look bad. LP saying even this morning...No chance I will change my mind....then a convo with Baez and OOPS...changed it.

I am sorry but that was not good. I have liked these guys and believe that they did this for the right reasons..(bail is a right for most people...) but this is becoming like a zoo.
JMO

I dont disagree it looks bad, I am just hopeful we reserve judgement until we know the whole story. If it does not pass my smell test I'll be heaving rocks like the rest of ya, Im just not ready to pick one up.

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
What bothers me, is he certainly doesnt stand by his word. He first states that he is going to find caylee alive. He believes Casey. the 400 page document doesnt mean anything to him. he is going to revoke his bond. all this in front of america.

now caylee is feared dead.
he doesnt believe Casey
the 400 pages make a huge difference to him
and now he isnt going to revoke her bond.

Just out of committment to america...he should stand by his words. I sure would!!:behindbarPsssst...not talking about Leonard...talking about Tony who has stood by his word as far as I know. Leonard has said things that he has had to retract, but some of those things are because of other circumstances and not just his own doing.

Lanie
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
My thoughts as well.

I do have one question... please help answer as I'm not a decomp expert:

How long does a body have to sit in a car to make it wreak of human decomposition?





Not a decomp expert, but what I think happened is this.
The body was in the car long enough to begin decomposing and losing fluids. I don't think it takes all that long in the FL heat, maybe 12 hours. It was then removed. I think the fluids from the body (and I wish I knew what size of a 'stain' they are talking about...) are what actually began to smell, and since the trunk was closed and the heat was on, it just got worse and worse.
IMO, there's no way a body was put in that trunk after the car was towed. Too much coincidence.
Lanie
Edited to add: also, IMO, if there had still been a body in the trunk after at least 18 days in FL conditions, that whole impound lot would have reeked, and no way was George just getting in that car and driving it home.

sciteach
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

NOW webcam is pointed at Casselberry citizens, watching them...

ShinaLite
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Wow - thats what was going on?

yep they adjusted the webcam so you can now see the guy sitting in the chair with the knocked over umbrella

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Get this: Not that we all didn't know that Casey's e-mails were fake, but I looked into each one of the yahoo's she had cc'd and such in her e-mails. This is what I found:

gabe.marsh --- e-mail address created 5/14/08 (same day e-mail sent to her)

cheryl.davis76 --- e-mail address created 5/14/08 (same day e-mail sent to her)

trusciano775 --- created 4/8/08. CC's in e-mail from cheryl.

gapgirl14 --- seems legit. Created in 1999. Person would be 24 and living in Florida.

jlewis --- created 3/3/02. No info on owner of account, though.

Excellent sleuthing!

Interesting re the jlewis and trusciano. I can't believe that guy didn't tell LE all he knew, including fact he'd been led to believe she worked at universal. I find that very odd. IMO

carole
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Abandoned on June 27th, towed on June 30th, notice was mailed to Anthony's and they picked up on July 15th (same day they got the notice)

OK, but it looks like they picked it up as soon as they received notice. I was thinking they didn't just leave it at the impound lot. Thanks!

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Such nerve, is there not one family member who can stop this madness, I can't believe no one feels any shame for this circus. How are they paying for living expenses, it doesn't appear anyone is working.

i hope they arent using the donations that are meant for caylee's search:furious:

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
who's name is the car really in? do they automatically send a registered letter to nitify them of the impound, or do they first send through reg mail? If it were sent reg mail, and the person it was addressed to didn't get it, perhaps somebody got rid of it to buy more time. do you really think casey dumped her car willingly, or do you think she was givin some advice from somebody? I cant see her ditching her car, she has done nothing else that would suggest she had any kind of concious or anxiety and would feel compelled to get rid of the car out of fear.

Chilly Willy
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Sheesh, the nerve of some people. Did they bring popcorn? Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a member of the human race.

marbrit
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
I found this article for you to read if you're bored watching webcam "Anthony TV."

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2008/08/cadaver-dogs-canis-familiaris.html


:)

Elley Mae
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
And guilty parties regularly insert themselves into criminal investigations.

She went IIRC after she spoke to Brian a friend and neighbor of Casey's as she was,she grew up with Casey,went all through school with Casey. And had just recently spoken to Casey,IIRC Brian told her that she should talk to the police.

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
so ol george home and he is going to get the hammer LOL

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
Tony has never flipped flopped. He's always stated he doesn't want to revoke Casey's bond.

Very true, as far as I know he has never wavered from that. Now, that being said, I do know he would like the pressure taken off by other means (upgraded charges, hint hint)

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
I agree with Concerned Mom. I think she's webbed into this somehow, I don't care if she went to LE or not.

Thank you MD MOMMY, I don't WANT to be right, but I can not exclude this woman KT. She may have gone voluntarily, but that may have been part of the plan, especially if she doesn't want them to know her real address.

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
Abandoned on June 27th, towed on June 30th, notice was mailed to Anthony's and they picked up on July 15th (same day they got the notice)

All is correct except when they got the notice. We actually don't know when they got the notice. From what's been said they had the notice of a letter at their home sometime Sunday, a day it could not have been delivered. There was also talk about going to the Post Office on Monday. They finally picked-up the car on Tuesday.

robotdog
08-29-2008, 03:30 PM
I just HAVE to say this - I had written an apology over on the Padilla thread the other evening right after Leonard had stated that had he read or known the contents of the 400+ pages of documents, he would not have bailed Casey out. I thought that he handled that well and felt guilty about blasting him for getting Casey out in the first place.

Then when LP announced yesterday and last night that Casey's bond was going to be revoked due to safety issues and that he no longer felt little Caylee was alive, I applauded him for that. I knew TES was in town and I know what a top notch organization that is.

This morning on TV, I watched LP affirm that Casey WAS going back to jail on Saturday.

NOW LP is NOT going to revoke Casey's bond. OK, now I am mad. Sorry to those who are still fans, but this has done it for me. Casey needs to be back in jail, IMO. LE will get the evidence they need and be able to indite her for a homicide soon. And I do not want Casey to get any sort of immunity, either.

I am a Caylee advocate, and have tremendous faith in Tim Miller and TES! Casey lies so much I do not see how LE can believe anything she says anyway!

Sorry. I just had to rant!

with ya all the way..... these guys are circus clowns.

they are nothing but walking talking bull crap media monsters

enough already..........they have done nothing

ZERO
to help in this case........

pass the popcorn - nothing but a sideshow
:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous:

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:30 PM
Hmmm, isn't the bolded the cop that was just fired?

Yep, another example of how Casey weaves her real life into her lies.

Elley Mae
08-29-2008, 03:30 PM
who's name is the car really in? do they automatically send a registered letter to nitify them of the impound, or do they first send through reg mail? If it were sent reg mail, and the person it was addressed to didn't get it, perhaps somebody got rid of it to buy more time. do you really think casey dumped her car willingly, or do you think she was givin some advice from somebody? I cant see her ditching her car, she has done nothing else that would suggest she had any kind of concious or anxiety and would feel compelled to get rid of the car out of fear.

George's name

FloridaKatz
08-29-2008, 03:30 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Well George had it wrong on that one. I just saw those guys on the video, and they are on imminent domain property, not George's property. Geez! I'm surprised Cindy didn't come out and try to stop him, "for fear of losing her husband"....:rolleyes:

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:31 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Wow, so that's what was going on that whole time. That was a neighbor. Technically, I guess those people aren't doing anything wrong. They aren't on their property. Guess they got a dose of George's anger for themselves. Expect to see them on the 5 oclock news............

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:31 PM
I think it's more the tone of voice JB uses in every interview, like, what are you people stupid or what? It's a very manipulative tone, defensive in a way to make you feel stupid for questioning him. Reminds me of the tone casey had in that 1st jail convo w/ her mom.

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:31 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

MrBosox78
08-29-2008, 03:31 PM
snip
IMO, there's no way a body was put in that trunk after the car was towed. Too much coincidence.
Lanie


I wasn't suggesting that. I was speculating it was in there on the 24th, and removed sometime between then and the 26/27th before it was left in the lot and towed.

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:31 PM
I dont disagree it looks bad, I am just hopeful we reserve judgement until we know the whole story. If it does not pass my smell test I'll be heaving rocks like the rest of ya, Im just not ready to pick one up.

Agreed! And this is partially frustration talking........I just want Caylee to be found and the person responsible for her death at the tender age of two put away for a very long time.
And I honestly despise Casey Anthony.

MIMOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:31 PM
Good sleuthing on the email stuff

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
Psssst...not talking about Leonard...talking about Tony who has stood by his word as far as I know. Leonard has said things that he has had to retract, but some of those things are because of other circumstances and not just his own doing.

oooppps sorry ....my brain is fried, i thought we were talking about LP. Carry on....

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
Wow, so that's what was going on that whole time. That was a neighbor. Technically, I guess those people aren't doing anything wrong. They aren't on their property. Guess they got a dose of George's anger for themselves. Expect to see them on the 5 oclock news............

He has driven to the local hardware store to purchase a new hammer LOL

edgeofnight
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
i hope they arent using the donations that are meant for caylee's search:furious:

I hope not too, but you have to wonder where is the money coming from to live.

Theonly1
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
I'm not curiosity cat. But I had just posted this on the other thread about Cindy's thoughts. I have to say that particular image from yesterday was burned into my head. Raw. Wow.

Would love to hear from Curiosity cat, but here are my thoughts:

Sometimes, Cindy takes my breath away. The pounding in the no-tresspassing signs exercise we watched yesterday - yesterday made tears stream down my face. Don't people realize what we witnessed there?

The physical manifestation of Cindy's exhausted, clouded, tortured mind and heart: "Keep off my property, keep off my heart, keep off my brain, respect my family while we deal with this devastating pain."

By the way, the guy in the Hawaiian shirt helping Cindy draw the lines of defense around her grief ... he's another of my new heros. What a sweetheart to go out and help that poor woman.

Hi Emma,
While I'm glad you can feel compassion for Cindy, mine has dried completely up. I think I'm as angry at her as I am at Casey. Cindy helped to create this whole problem (in my opinion) from Casey's childhood onward. Now when the chickens are coming home to roost my heart is supposed to bleed for her? My heart bleeds for Caylee and that's it. The rest of that bunch are plain old wackadoos.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
Very true, as far as I know he has never wavered from that. Now, that being said, I do know he would like the pressure taken off by other means (upgraded charges, hint hint)

IMO, Tony's comment last night could be very prophetic. I kept reposting it today, but it seems to have been ignored for the most part.

shadow of my mind
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
My thoughts as well.

I do have one question... please help answer as I'm not a decomp expert:

How long does a body have to sit in a car to make it wreak of human decomposition?



I ask this because George "supposedly" got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th(afternoon), and the car was left in the check cashing parking lot sometime between then and the 26/27th. The body could not have been there after the 27th unless someone went back to it after and removed it(anything goes in this case I guess).

I would personally think a body would have to be in the car for at least 2 days, but I'm only a Corp. Manager... Anyone else?

My theory is George saw Caylee, dead in the trunk at one point.

FYI I've been lurking here for a while(few mths), but didn't have an email address I could use to join. 'Til recently.

In the heat, I think I read about 2 days and gets worse from there. Car noticed by Amscot women morning of 6/27 was told by boss to wait for days, called for tow. car towed 6/30. Notice that a letter was as PO delivery date unknown but 'found' on door 7/13 by George. Date that letter picked up is not clear to me. [have to see if it was stated anywhere] but assuming late in the day on 7/14 and CA & GA went to tow lot 7/15.
My question is if a body was in the trunk and then removed prior to be dumped sometime on the 26th into the morning of the 27th but GA claims that he saw gas cans in the back on 6/24 then that means you have only 2 to 2-1/2 days. Once the tow lot had the car, how did anyone have a chance to move a body unless the tow yard is part of this mystery.
I have a hard time seeing little Ms. Casey picking up a body that has been dead and starting to decompose and putting it in her trunk and then picking it up again to move it. I could be wrong but I don't see it. Someone else had to helped.

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
All is correct except when they got the notice. We actually don't know when they got the notice. From what's been said they had the notice of a letter at their home sometime Sunday, a day it could not have been delivered. There was also talk about going to the Post Office on Monday. They finally picked-up the car on Tuesday.

Didn't they get a certified letter that had to be picked up at the post office?

gigi2009
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
Snipped>>>>

Sometimes, Cindy takes my breath away. The pounding in the no-tresspassing signs exercise we watched yesterday - yesterday made tears stream down my face. Don't people realize what we witnessed there?

The physical manifestation of Cindy's exhausted, clouded, tortured mind and heart: "Keep off my property, keep off my heart, keep off my brain, respect my family while we deal with this devastating pain."

By the way, the guy in the Hawaiian shirt helping Cindy draw the lines of defense around her grief ... he's another of my new heros. What a sweetheart to go out and help that poor woman.


Hey Emma,
I don't know how long you''ve watched the family in action, but I can understand why you think Cindy should have sympathy. But a lot of us have added up her actions and we just can't have sympathy for her--ONLY FOR CAYLEE.
Did you miss this Cindy statement:
Cindy about TES search "I want him to do a search around here to satisfy all of you leaches, parasites and all of you maggots," Cindy Anthony said Thursday evening.
(awwww Cindy, that's what WE want too!)
http://www.wftv.com/news/17335493/detail.html


Why isn't she searching?

Silk
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
Rarely post but read for hours daily. Here goes:

-Notice how much weight Cindy has lost? She is extremely stressed. I think her monkey is missing a banana or two but her total disregard of the facts and her total ramblings worry me more as her being the suicide risk; not Casey.

-Casey doesn't KNOW who the father is. Let's face it, the girl was stealing money, etc. If she could have had a steady income of child support, she surely would have but she would have had to have proof of parentage to get it.

-I doubt George actually SAW Caylee's body in the car. What parent/grandparent could have seen that, left it there and not had a TOTAL meltdown that is more obvious than we have seen? Just cannot fathom that one. Odor, gas cans, dirt? Sure. Not a body.

-Cannot figure the ZG and apartment viewing into the whole picture but somehow, Casey knew it and used that info. I think that will come out, eventually.

-Ever noticed how JB's hairline is just like Eddie Munsters????

-Interesting JB had not talked with CMA about LP not revolking bond, yet, but he is live on Fox...and just who was minding the princess?

And man, am I sure glad that I am not the nurse who has been having to take care of GGPa in the nursing home. Don't you know they can't do ANYTHING to please CA???

Thanks - back to lurking....

ibyoungr
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
I thought the documents released said that the car was towed on June 27 and was picked up by the grandparents on the following Monday.

Good point!! I was thinking why did it take 2 weeks for the tow truck to notify the Anthonys?? Who says the tow truck company did not "loan" the car out? Casey runs out of gas on the 27th, car gets picked up on the 30th and G+C Anthony are notified on July 15th?? I would be :furious: if my car was towed and I was not notified of it for 2 weeks. I am sure the registration was in the cubby hole and the tow company SHOULD have notified them of the impound LONG before the 15th. Sounds wrong to me.

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
I think it's more the tone of voice JB uses in every interview, like, what are you people stupid or what? It's a very manipulative tone, defensive in a way to make you feel stupid for questioning him. Reminds me of the tone casey had in that 1st jail convo w/ her mom.

Couple the voice with his simpy smile...acting like hes a bad defense attorney with lots of wins behind him (which there are not) and yes, talking down to everyone.

He has had a full week and cant crack his client!

I would put anyone of us up against him anytime, any day!

Emma Peel
08-29-2008, 03:33 PM
Such nerve, is there not one family member who can stop this madness, I can't believe no one feels any shame for this circus. How are they paying for living expenses, it doesn't appear anyone is working.

I feel some shame for the circus. I feel some shame for logging on or tuning in and "paying my ticket" for entry too.

I wonder how much the front row seats (on the grass between the sidewalk and the street) cost? If those people aren't paying anything to TES, then, once again, I'm all for invoking Cindy's right to bear hose. :square:

Truth Seeker
08-29-2008, 03:33 PM
http://cmsimg.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A9&Date=20080829&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=808290341&Ref=AR&Profile=1006&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

oops, she lost her shoe yesterday....

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:33 PM
Wow, so that's what was going on that whole time. That was a neighbor. Technically, I guess those people aren't doing anything wrong. They aren't on their property. Guess they got a dose of George's anger for themselves. Expect to see them on the 5 oclock news............

LMAO, the guys are still sitting there! I think they are there to taunt Cindy and her trespassing signs.

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:33 PM
Well George had it wrong on that one. I just saw those guys on the video, and they are on imminent domain property, not George's property. Geez! I'm surprised Cindy didn't come out and try to stop him, "for fear of losing her husband"....:rolleyes:

Yeesh, I thought that immediately when I saw it on the cam, he's on "boil"

tx_Dot
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
And guilty parties regularly insert themselves into criminal investigations.


There was MUCH bad info in the thread started on her.......LE has had phone records prolly since the beginning......if they had any suspicions about her, they prolly wolud NOT have released her interview.....

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
Good point!! I was thinking why did it take 2 weeks for the tow truck to notify the Anthonys?? Who says the tow truck company did not "loan" the car out? Casey runs out of gas on the 27th, car gets picked up on the 30th and G+C Anthony are notified on July 15th?? I would be :furious: if my car was towed and I was not notified of it for 2 weeks. I am sure the registration was in the cubby hole and the tow company SHOULD have notified them of the impound LONG before the 15th. Sounds wrong to me.

I dont think it did. I understood that they sent a certified letter on the 30th..and the Anthonys did not retrieve it until 2 weeks later.

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
OK, but it looks like they picked it up as soon as they received notice. I was thinking they didn't just leave it at the impound lot. Thanks!I will have to check, but it would seem illegal to me to keep a car in impound to run up a tab without notifying the owner in a short period of time. I do not believe it took from June 30th until July 15th for them to notify George or attempt to.

robotdog
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
http://cmsimg.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A9&Date=20080829&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=808290341&Ref=AR&Profile=1006&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

oops, she lost her shoe yesteday....


shoe today

baby 2 months ago

probably more concerned about the show


what BAG, she is

irishbosoxfan
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

I see them on the webcam now

Patty G
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
IMO, Tony's comment last night could be very prophetic. I kept reposting it today, but it seems to have been ignored for the most part.

Which one of Tony's comments from last night did you post?

Truthwillsetufree
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
Remember tho they are riding this roller coaster first hand not on a message board like the rest of us. Tony has been very gracious and honest answering questions here. (in my opinion)

I agree. We do not know what request from LE have been made if any. Frankly, I could care less if she is in jail or out. I think out of jaail in that house is a whole lot worse having to look at that baby's toys, animals and pictures, not to mention GA and CA, so jail would be a respite. IMHO of course.

Silk
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
Oh! And at least our Susan Smith had the decency to fake a cry!!!!

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
I think the fluids from the body (and I wish I knew what size of a 'stain' they are talking about...) are what actually began to smell, and since the trunk was closed and the heat was on, it just got worse and worse.
.

An expert on decomp stated on one of the news shows that fluids from a body would smell up the car just as bad as a corpse.

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
LE will be very lenient in allowing Casey to visit Baez. Constitutional right to an attorney stuff and all. Perhaps these increased meetings are a reflection of the hurried pace that this case is suddenly moving at.


The court sets the condition of the bond, not LE, and she needs permission for every legal visit, and they are for the purpose of holding legal conferences. If it was discovered that she was spending time there, other than for legal conferences, both her and JB would be in some trouble. IMO

IrishSweetOne
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Whoa , I knew it was just a matter of time . Looks like they are still there and camera guys heading over by them.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
I sure did and the fact that her boyfriend wouldn't let her hand over the phone records. Yeah...that is suspicious to me.

Maybe the phone belongs to his employer and he doesn't want his employer to scrutinize his records. Heck, maybe he's been calling another woman and doesn't want Kio or his job to find out?

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
LMAO, the guys are still sitting there! I think they are there to taunt Cindy and her trespassing signs.

I SO WISH I WAS THEM, I know really immature, I would stick my big toe on his property and then pull it back every time he looked and pile garbage right next to his property line heh heh.. Blink needs a minute I think

Leila
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
I"m trying to catch up with today's news. I wasn't able to participate in last night's thread in which Tony answered questions, but I did read it and from some of his answers have come up with an idea of where we're going with this.

One thing Tony mentioned was that he thought this would be over soon. I've reached that same opinion. I don't think it matters if Casey's bond is revoked or not. I think it's just a matter of days before Casey is re-arrested on new charges.

The immunity offer runs out at 9:00am on Tuesday. If Casey has not accepted that offer by then, she won't ever talk. At that point, LE might re-arrest her, charge her with homicide, and she would likely be held on no bond. I feel Casey will be returning to jail within a number of days.

Hopefully, TES will be successful in finding Caylee's remains. Poor Caylee deserves a decent burial and it will bring closure to all who loved her.

gigi2009
08-29-2008, 03:35 PM
IMO, Tony's comment last night could be very prophetic. I kept reposting it today, but it seems to have been ignored for the most part.


I've been meaning to comment on it all day SuziQ! The whole thing smells to me, I've been waiting to hear what TP had to say because LP was SO ADAMANT about her going back, he wasn't only commenting on her safety but making comments about the DNA too. TP said he was going to basically do what LP wanted whether he disagreed or not but something shifted today. I swear LP got whiplash today with that turnaround.

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:36 PM
http://cmsimg.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A9&Date=20080829&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=808290341&Ref=AR&Profile=1006&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

oops, she lost her shoe yesterday....

that wouldnt be cellulite on the back of that right thigh now is it? sorry just had to:crazy:

OkGrace
08-29-2008, 03:37 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Honestly imo they have NO business harrassing these folks, Casey may have done something however I believe her family to be innocent.
Not sure how most feel but my home is my "safe comfortable place", if one of my children did something and I show up to defend them in court that is one thing however to protest in front of my home is an entire different ballgame.

George and Cindy Anthony did nothing (as far as the evidence shows!) thier daughter did, I honestly fear that one or the other will have a total breakdown should this continue. I think I would. I would at the very least totally lose it, I doubt they are even sleeping or eating properly.

tx_Dot
08-29-2008, 03:37 PM
I agree with Concerned Mom. I think she's webbed into this somehow, I don't care if she went to LE or not.

If she were a POI why did LE release her interview ??

helloitsme
08-29-2008, 03:37 PM
with ya all the way..... these guys are circus clowns.

they are nothing but walking talking bull crap media monsters

enough already..........they have done nothing

ZERO
to help in this case........

pass the popcorn - nothing but a sideshow
:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous:
I strongly object to LP being compared to a circus clown.
Circus clowns bring laughter to people.
LP brings only annoyance,frustration, and anger.
LP needs slither back under his rock, and let Casey rot in jail.:behindbar

Patty G
08-29-2008, 03:37 PM
I SO WISH I WAS THEM, I know really immature, I would stick my big toe on his property and then pull it back every time he looked and pile garbage right next to his property line heh heh.. Blink needs a minute I think

Your a Jersey girl for sure! :)

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:38 PM
shame they can't shock her with that ankle bracelet every time she lies

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 03:38 PM
Didn't they get a certified letter that had to be picked up at the post office? That's what's been mixed-up. If they had to go to the Post Office (and I'm not sure about this) then what they received in the mail is NOTIFICATION, not a certified letter. It tells you to pick something up at the Post OFfice, that delivery was attempted, but nobody was home.

Can anybody confirm
- this Post Office thing?
- Cindy has said that they had the letter (or was it the notification) on Sunday?

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:38 PM
Tony has never flipped flopped. He's always stated he doesn't want to revoke Casey's bond.

I agree SuziQ. I think maybe some posters may not realize that we are talking about two different people here. Leonard (LP) is the bounty hunter that we see on television giving the interviews - the one who dresses like a cowboy. Tony Padilla is his nephew who is the bail bondsman. He has only been on television a few times and dresses in a business suit usually. Tony, not Leonard, is the one who talks to us here on Websleuths and he has been very open and honest. He also made it clear when posting on this board that he did not want to revoke the bond and gave his reasons. I have a feeling this case and the difference between Leonard's emotional reasons for wanting to revoke the pond vs. Tony's business (and reputation) reasons for not wanting to revoke the bond may be causing a bit of a family tiff. That last part is IMOO.

Just wanted to clarify the difference between the two in case anyone is confused about there being two different people we are discussing. :)

Lanie
08-29-2008, 03:38 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

HOW DID I MISS THIS? I've had that web cam up for at least an hour.
Man. Stupid work.
Lanie

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 03:38 PM
Maybe the phone belongs to his employer and he doesn't want his employer to scrutinize his records. Heck, maybe he's been calling another woman and doesn't want Kio or his job to find out?

There is a missing baby...I would hope that wouldn't matter.

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
what is this demonstration LP kepps referring to that is supposed to happen on monday?


I wonder if he makes it up as he goes along...just a week ago we were getting the 5 day deadline, he apparently defamed 5 people suggesting they were involved, then he says he'll go get Caylee, then he changes his mind, sorry he was involved, if knew then what he knows now etc...now suddenly he knows he stands no chance of achieving his original goal, seems to have abandoned his 2nd mentioned goal (IIRC correctly he said they'd search for Caylee dead or alive), now decides to offer her and her family free security so their daughter can stay out of jail and continue to impede the investigation?????

All above is IMO of course.

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
I SO WISH I WAS THEM, I know really immature, I would stick my big toe on his property and then pull it back every time he looked and pile garbage right next to his property line heh heh.. Blink needs a minute I think

Hee hee hee!!!!

OkGrace
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Such nerve, is there not one family member who can stop this madness, I can't believe no one feels any shame for this circus. How are they paying for living expenses, it doesn't appear anyone is working.

IIMO if they were working they would be followed and harrassed, no employer could deal with this circus for very long.

ibyoungr
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Rarely post but read for hours daily. Here goes:

-Notice how much weight Cindy has lost? She is extremely stressed. I think her monkey is missing a banana or two but her total disregard of the facts and her total ramblings worry me more as her being the suicide risk; not Casey.

-Casey doesn't KNOW who the father is. Let's face it, the girl was stealing money, etc. If she could have had a steady income of child support, she surely would have but she would have had to have proof of parentage to get it.

-I doubt George actually SAW Caylee's body in the car. What parent/grandparent could have seen that, left it there and not had a TOTAL meltdown that is more obvious than we have seen? Just cannot fathom that one. Odor, gas cans, dirt? Sure. Not a body. I agree
-Cannot figure the ZG and apartment viewing into the whole picture but somehow, Casey knew it and used that info. I think that will come out, eventually.Remember there is a connection to the tattoo parlor and ZG through her family or friends based upon her MS page. I would think it possible while Casey was getting her Tattoo that she could have overheard the people with a connection to ZG discussing how ZG looked at the Sawgrass apt. Casey remembered that and simply used ZG's name and info she heard in the tat parlor on the police report.

-Ever noticed how JB's hairline is just like Eddie Munsters????

-Interesting JB had not talked with CMA about LP not revolking bond, yet, but he is live on Fox...and just who was minding the princess?

And man, am I sure glad that I am not the nurse who has been having to take care of GGPa in the nursing home. Don't you know they can't do ANYTHING to please CA???

Thanks - back to lurking....

Sometimes it is easier to lurk... and think about what is written and what you want to write. Thanks to those that post regularly or lurking would be BORING!

Elley Mae
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
In reference to webcam, around here that's called county easement. usually about 10-12 feet is the county right of way. not the home owners property.

DeltaDawn
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Casselberry Citizens Camp Out At Anthony House; George's Temper Flares 3:05 p.m. Friday: Tempers flared at the Anthony house when two Casselberry citizens set up lawn chairs, an umbrella and a tripod onthe grass between the street and the house. When asked what they were doing, the men said they wanted to get video of Casey for themselves. George emerged from the garage and told them to get off his property. When they refused, he knocked over their tripod, threw their umbrella across the lawn. He started to grab one of the men by their shirt, but a neighbor intervened and calmed him down. George then left in his car.

Great..now George is losing it big time too. First Cindy, now George, next Lee will be doing something crazy. Why is it the only famiy member who seems calm and assured is the littel b*tch Casey?

I hope the grandparents make it through this weekend bewteen the press and having Casey holed up there.

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Oh! And at least our Susan Smith had the decency to fake a cry!!!!
Ain't that the truth!!

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
I think it's more the tone of voice JB uses in every interview, like, what are you people stupid or what? It's a very manipulative tone, defensive in a way to make you feel stupid for questioning him. Reminds me of the tone casey had in that 1st jail convo w/ her mom.

I get the exact same vibe from him.

edgeofnight
08-29-2008, 03:39 PM
What is a Casselberry citizen, is that a city near by?

Lanie
08-29-2008, 03:40 PM
That's what's been mixed-up. If they had to go to the Post Office (and I'm not sure about this) then what they received in the mail is NOTIFICATION, not a certified letter. It tells you to pick something up at the Post OFfice, that delivery was attempted, but nobody was home.

Can anybody confirm
- this Post Office thing?
- Cindy has said that they had the letter on Sunday?

Cindy said they had the notification, but they couldn't pick up the letter because it was Sunday.
Lanie

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:40 PM
those guys beter get off the sidewalk you never know if he will run them over with the car...

Patty G
08-29-2008, 03:40 PM
HOW DID I MISS THIS? I've had that web cam up for at least an hour.
Man. Stupid work.
Lanie

A lot can happen in 10 seconds. :)

MrBosox78
08-29-2008, 03:40 PM
that wouldnt be cellulite on the back of that right thigh now is it? sorry just had to:crazy:

Was going to say the same thing.

Did anyone mention that she was dressed(yesterday) just like George described Caylee on the last day he saw her?? With the oversized sunglasses, backpack, etc..

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:41 PM
Psssst...not talking about Leonard...talking about Tony who has stood by his word as far as I know. Leonard has said things that he has had to retract, but some of those things are because of other circumstances and not just his own doing.

Oh please. He contradicts himself every day. He could care less about the truth or what he tells the media because he knows that there is no accountability, that NG and Greta don't follow-up their first questions with intelligent improvised second questions, and that very few bother or even care to remember what LP said 45 minutes ago.

Yesterday he said he would revoke Casey's bail. Days before that, LP said he has no power to revoke Casey's bail because under his arrangement, the decision is entirely Tony's. He said to go ask Tony. TOday, Tony said that the bail revocation is Leonard's call.

A few days ago, LP said that the $50K bond investment is lost money, and likened it to an auto insurance premium that's not refundable even if the insured is not involved in any car accidents. OF course, he left out the part that the $50K went to Tony. The money essentially went from the left hand to the right hand. And if LP wants to now say that it would be illegal for Tony to refund LP the $50K, I've got a bridge to sell you. And even so, there are an infinite number of ways to circumvent that rule, legally. And even more so, why wasn't LP so forthcoming in explaining the mechanics of the $50K originally. LP himself doesn't seem to remember what he said the day before.

We're still waiting on that four day deadline for the kidnappers to return Caylee. Wanna know what's gonna happen when the four days are up? LP will give them another four days to return Caylee.

I agree that his demeanor is very pleasant.

Clearly Confused
08-29-2008, 03:41 PM
shame they can't shock her with that ankle bracelet every time she lies

The mental picture...LMAO!

Tracy1
08-29-2008, 03:41 PM
That's what's been mixed-up. If they had to go to the Post Office (and I'm not sure about this) then what they received in the mail is NOTIFICATION, not a certified letter. It tells you to pick something up at the Post OFfice, that delivery was attempted, but nobody was home.

Can anybody confirm
- this Post Office thing?
- Cindy has said that they had the letter (or was it the notification) on Sunday?

You are right Puff. They received the noticed and I remember Cindy saying on one of her many interviews on tv that the notification was stuck on the front glass of thier front door and they didnt get it until they day the picked it up at the post office and then fetched the car.

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:41 PM
I thought this may make it easier for those trying to follow along. Maybe we could bump this every page so we have something to refer to or something.


Link to Fox's Web Cam @ Anthony's home: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

Link to Cindy's tirade (raw footage - 10mins) http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

Link to WESH's up to the minute blog: http://www.wesh.com/news/17323063/detail.html

Link to immunity deal emails (thanks, Gigi!): http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0829/17335521.pdf


Hope this helps everyone!

Search- TES Saturday 8.30.08 8am
From TES:

Any volunteers can met at the Command Center at:
5750 TG Lee Boulevard
Orlando. The rear parking lot behind the Holiday Inn
Please be there by 8am. You will need a photo ID to participate

You DO NOT need to be a member of TES to volunteer. It has been reported that there was a $25 fee to search. That is erroneous, that is the donation to be a member, which you do not need to do to particpate in the search..


http://www.texasequusearch.org/
Carrying this over.........

SeriouslySearching
08-29-2008, 03:42 PM
I SO WISH I WAS THEM, I know really immature, I would stick my big toe on his property and then pull it back every time he looked and pile garbage right next to his property line heh heh.. Blink needs a minute I thinkBlink needs an early martini, if you ask me! :eek: However, I could see us renting one of those limos converted to a hot tub in the back, our TES logo umbrellas, and wearing our flip flops that say, "Step back and smell the reality." on them.

Emma Peel
08-29-2008, 03:42 PM
Honestly imo they have NO business harrassing these folks, Casey may have done something however I believe her family to be innocent.
Not sure how most feel but my home is my "safe comfortable place", if one of my children did something and I show up to defend them in court that is one thing however to protest in front of my home is an entire different ballgame.

George and Cindy Anthony did nothing (as far as the evidence shows!) thier daughter did, I honestly fear that one or the other will have a total breakdown should this continue. I think I would. I would at the very least totally lose it, I doubt they are even sleeping or eating properly.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

STOP TRESSPASSING ON MY PAIN !!!

tx_Dot
08-29-2008, 03:42 PM
Thank you MD MOMMY, I don't WANT to be right, but I can not exclude this woman KT. She may have gone voluntarily, but that may have been part of the plan, especially if she doesn't want them to know her real address.

Why do you think LE released her interview ???

Seems like they are witholding ALL info that would pertain to any MORE charges.

PS....the "wrong add." info came from another forum poster.

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 03:42 PM
Honestly imo they have NO business harrassing these folks, Casey may have done something however I believe her family to be innocent.
Not sure how most feel but my home is my "safe comfortable place", if one of my children did something and I show up to defend them in court that is one thing however to protest in front of my home is an entire different ballgame.

George and Cindy Anthony did nothing (as far as the evidence shows!) thier daughter did, I honestly fear that one or the other will have a total breakdown should this continue. I think I would. I would at the very least totally lose it, I doubt they are even sleeping or eating properly.

The media is not doing anything illegal. Immoral? Maybe. But morality in the media is a whole nother message board. It's up to the police to keep public order, and I am amazed how they have played such a laissez-faire role. Where I come from, there would at least be a patrol car outside the house, to keep EVERYBODY honest.

dreamfeather
08-29-2008, 03:43 PM
shame they can't shock her with that ankle bracelet every time she lies

They probably considered it, but the entire city of Orlando would suffer blackouts from the constant power surge.

MIMOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:43 PM
Someone pulling in

momtective
08-29-2008, 03:43 PM
George is back...all $%@* MAY BREAK LOSE

LaLaw2000
08-29-2008, 03:43 PM
Ok, if Orange County detectives have the dead body evidence, then she will be arrested, no need to revoke. They (Orange County) still has not confirmed that evidence right? If they truly have the evidence in hand, then why is she still out?

I do not have the answer to the questions except to say that they do want to have Caylee's body back so that she can have a dignified burial, IMO. I firmly believe that Casey is not the only person in that family who knows what happened to little Caylee. I also just am of the opinion that George helped Casey dispose of the body after the fact.

Also, it takes time to get a Grand Jury inditement, IMO. I do not want to see Casey have another weekend of relative freedom. I feel she should be back in jail, and that is my honest feeling.

Peace.

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:43 PM
Which one of Tony's comments from last night did you post?

Here you go.


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Do you too? There seems to be speculation that she is going back Saturday and you were both on board with that, but also heard -- and am I getting this right from what you are saying -- you are not in agreement with that? Is she going back?

I really don't want to put her back. I think the end is coming near and we should stick it out. But, I don't have much to say about it as Leonard is the indemnitor or guarantor.

MD MOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
If she were a POI why did LE release her interview ??

Never said she was a POI to anyone but me LOL. where'd ya get that one from?

curiositycat
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
Great..now George is losing it big time too. First Cindy, now George, next Lee will be doing something crazy. Why is it the only famiy member who seems calm and assured is the littel b*tch Casey?

I hope the grandparents make it through this weekend bewteen the press and having Casey holed up there.
Lee doesn't live there. Lucky him!! To bad his sister never had his work ethic.:rolleyes:

bunnyphoenix1
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
Why ??....... she voluntarily went to LE

IMO, the fact a person voluntarily goes to LE, doesn't necessarily mean they are not involved in that matter or know more than they tell.

PassTheMotrin
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
Cindy's home eyeballing the dudes with the umbrella. :eek:

MIMOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
Something going on because Cindy parked outside

momtective
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
Web cam link http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
uh oh! it's cindy!

TonyGatto
08-29-2008, 03:44 PM
You are right Puff. They received the noticed and I remember Cindy saying on one of her many interviews on tv that the notification was stuck on the front glass of thier front door and they didnt get it until they day the picked it up at the post office and then fetched the car.
So what is your understanding of when she first noticed the notification?

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:45 PM
IMO, Tony's comment last night could be very prophetic. I kept reposting it today, but it seems to have been ignored for the most part.

Another thing I've noticed about Tony's posts are that you can gather a lot of information from what he DOESN'T say. IMO

Elley Mae
08-29-2008, 03:45 PM
It looks like a white line in front of the fellows sitting in lawn chairs, George cannot stop them from crossing that line. I would cross it,and if he touched me, Casey would not be his only problem right now. I wish I lived there just for that.

MIMOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:46 PM
Is the guy in the white shirt the same guy that was "calming" George down?

ConcernedMom
08-29-2008, 03:46 PM
Why do you think LE released her interview ???

Seems like they are witholding ALL info that would pertain to any MORE charges.

PS....the "wrong add." info came from another forum poster.

gotcha, sorry about that:waitasec:

irishbosoxfan
08-29-2008, 03:46 PM
Someone approaching umbrella watchers

not_my_kids
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Cindy just had a brief exchange with the camera guys and, of course, got swarmed by the reporters.

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Now there is a guy beyond the signs , beter move Gorege might be nasty behind the wheel when he returns, run them right over put them in the trunk and say there a bad pizza

Emma Peel
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
They'll going to need that umbrella if Cindy resorts to the hose.

kh1967
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Something going on because Cindy parked outside

holy toledo we might see the meltdown on the web cam!!!!!!!!!!:clap:

SuziQ
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
I've been meaning to comment on it all day SuziQ! The whole thing smells to me, I've been waiting to hear what TP had to say because LP was SO ADAMANT about her going back, he wasn't only commenting on her safety but making comments about the DNA too. TP said he was going to basically do what LP wanted whether he disagreed or not but something shifted today. I swear LP got whiplash today with that turnaround.

Omg, he had to have! Certainly gave me whiplash.

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
I thought Cindy was driving that truck? Did she get out yet?

sciteach
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Is the guy in the white shirt the same guy that was "calming" George down?

Yes.. he must be a neighbor after all... he walked off to the left and dissapeared when George drove away..

BTW... George drove away... 10 mins later CINDY drives up in same car.. no George... seems to talk to guys with umbrella and then go into garage

wishingtree
08-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Oh! And at least our Susan Smith had the decency to fake a cry!!!!

My fiance and I said the exact same thing last night! I see you are in SC and we are in NC, and remember that case VERY clearly. Susan Smith and OJ are the two names we've always used to describe the lowest people in the world. Casey Anthony's name has now replaced Susan Smith (not that Susan is any less disgusting than she always has been).

pizmex
08-29-2008, 03:48 PM
The court sets the condition of the bond, not LE, and she needs permission for every legal visit, and they are for the purpose of holding legal conferences. If it was discovered that she was spending time there, other than for legal conferences, both her and JB would be in some trouble. IMO

I'm sure she has permission to go to Baez's office and is not just up and running over there on her own whim. Thank you for your response.

Got any evidence that she's going to Baez just for fun?

suspicious mind
08-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Honestly imo they have NO business harrassing these folks, Casey may have done something however I believe her family to be innocent.
Not sure how most feel but my home is my "safe comfortable place", if one of my children did something and I show up to defend them in court that is one thing however to protest in front of my home is an entire different ballgame.

George and Cindy Anthony did nothing (as far as the evidence shows!) thier daughter did, I honestly fear that one or the other will have a total breakdown should this continue. I think I would. I would at the very least totally lose it, I doubt they are even sleeping or eating properly.

Well, there is one way for all of this to end. Casey to produce Caylee. Pretty simple. Obviously it isnt bothering the family too much , Casey isn't feeling any pressure to talk with all their blind love and support. It's a monster they feed. You feed it, you keep it.

magiemay
08-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Mr anthony is beside the reports on the road

Truthwillsetufree
08-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Sheesh, the nerve of some people. Did they bring popcorn? Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a member of the human race.

And how are we any different? We are sitting here watching them watching them. A little like the pot calling the kettle black don't cha think? :)

sleuthmommy
08-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Is the guy in the white shirt the same guy that was "calming" George down?

Nope, that's a different guy.

MIMOMMY
08-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Cindy pulled up - parked in driveway - briefly "discussed" something with umbrellas - and went in ---

Blink34
08-29-2008, 03:49 PM
did george park in front of the dudes?