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SteveHuff
09-01-2008, 03:27 PM
This is just as strange as it gets:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf?/base/news-15/1220259324120020.xml&coll=1

Quotes from the news story:
The death of an 11-year-old [...] Palermo girl on Friday was being investigated Sunday as a homicide, according to state police.

Investigators were releasing almost no information about the death of Erin E. Maxwell at her home at 1647 state Route 264. They would say only that rescue workers responded to a medical call at the home around 5:20 p.m. Friday and that she died of her injuries later at University Hospital.

[...]

Neighbors say Erin and her family kept to themselves in an area where everyone knows each other. They lived in a home filled with 120 cats, according to animal-control investigators. The home reeked of animal feces and urine, the investigators said.
I can't fathom stories like this. I can barely write about them, as a journalist. This one already reeks of very strange, incredibly sad circumstances for the children in the home.

Steve

barb0301
09-01-2008, 03:39 PM
OMG....I'm sick to my stomach after reading this. I don't have any words....none at all..just tears and overwhelming sadness.

tbthow
09-01-2008, 04:15 PM
:( How sad for this little girl.

Shavaun
09-01-2008, 04:23 PM
oh my g

Reannan
09-01-2008, 05:11 PM
From the link above that Steve provided:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...020.xml&coll=1 (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf?/base/news-15/1220259324120020.xml&coll=1)

"A male who lives at the Maxwells' home, who appeared to be in his early 20s, was often seen in the yard wearing a cape and a feathered hat and brandishing a sword, according to Lindsley and other neighbors. He would sometimes walk down Route 264 in the outfit, Lindsley said."

Well, that is the person I would sit in the chair underneath the bright lights first. I bet he had a fantasy life on-line - if they had computer access.

Filly
09-01-2008, 05:17 PM
Poor, poor little girl.

cali_mommy
09-01-2008, 05:25 PM
How awful, poor child. :(

Reannan
09-01-2008, 05:28 PM
Apparently, this may be another case where the child was reported to officials, and in this case, the living conditions were ruled to be "a lifestyle choice". WTF does that mean???

See the "Comments" left at this news story:
http://tinyurl.com/55jo54

From poster named vjs529 (http://www.9wsyr.com/user/default.aspx?id=Sf71Xnn3zUit32GLzatuAw) - 9:59 AM today, 9/1/08
I knew the little girl. I along with others have turned the family in, a number of times to DSS to no avail. The living conditions were putrid, animal waste, 100's of animals of all varieties wandering through the house and kitchen. Animal waste greets you in the shed at the door. This child has a history of being neglected, underfed, and certainly abused and no one would remove her from the home. It was branded a lifestyle choice. Erin had no choices, she was at the mercy of her family and our system, both of which failed her. It makes me sick, that the big issue out there now is how many animals are being taken from the home. We need to ask ourselves, why, the living conditions are bad enough to remove the animals, but considered a lifestyle choice when deciding whether to remove a helpless child. Erin was a most beautiful child with so much potential and resiliancy. I hope justice will found here and I sincerely hope our DSS is held accountable for this preventable tragedy.

Filly
09-01-2008, 05:56 PM
Apparently, this may be another case where the child was reported to officials, and in this case, the living conditions were ruled to be "a lifestyle choice". WTF does that mean???

See the "Comments" left at this news story:
http://tinyurl.com/55jo54

From poster named vjs529 (http://www.9wsyr.com/user/default.aspx?id=Sf71Xnn3zUit32GLzatuAw) - 9:59 AM today, 9/1/08
I knew the little girl. I along with others have turned the family in, a number of times to DSS to no avail. The living conditions were putrid, animal waste, 100's of animals of all varieties wandering through the house and kitchen. Animal waste greets you in the shed at the door. This child has a history of being neglected, underfed, and certainly abused and no one would remove her from the home. It was branded a lifestyle choice. Erin had no choices, she was at the mercy of her family and our system, both of which failed her. It makes me sick, that the big issue out there now is how many animals are being taken from the home. We need to ask ourselves, why, the living conditions are bad enough to remove the animals, but considered a lifestyle choice when deciding whether to remove a helpless child. Erin was a most beautiful child with so much potential and resiliancy. I hope justice will found here and I sincerely hope our DSS is held accountable for this preventable tragedy.

Oh man.:furious: Here we go. I can't even think about this.:mad:

texasgirl
09-01-2008, 06:31 PM
OMG, this is so heartbreaking!! :(

That poor child!! NO child should grow up and live like this and I wonder why noone helped her if it was reported! Makes me sick!!!

PrayersForMaura
09-02-2008, 12:49 PM
this is heartbreaking! :(
The poor little girl was failed by everyone.

I hate to think this, but maybe she hanged herself out of depression. That or her sword-brandishing brother was playing a sick game.

Prayers for her soul. I am sure she is resting in a much better place with the angels.

MCDRAW
09-02-2008, 01:10 PM
Apparently, this may be another case where the child was reported to officials, and in this case, the living conditions were ruled to be "a lifestyle choice". WTF does that mean???

See the "Comments" left at this news story:
http://tinyurl.com/55jo54

From poster named vjs529 (http://www.9wsyr.com/user/default.aspx?id=Sf71Xnn3zUit32GLzatuAw) - 9:59 AM today, 9/1/08
I knew the little girl. I along with others have turned the family in, a number of times to DSS to no avail. The living conditions were putrid, animal waste, 100's of animals of all varieties wandering through the house and kitchen. Animal waste greets you in the shed at the door. This child has a history of being neglected, underfed, and certainly abused and no one would remove her from the home. It was branded a lifestyle choice. Erin had no choices, she was at the mercy of her family and our system, both of which failed her. It makes me sick, that the big issue out there now is how many animals are being taken from the home. We need to ask ourselves, why, the living conditions are bad enough to remove the animals, but considered a lifestyle choice when deciding whether to remove a helpless child. Erin was a most beautiful child with so much potential and resiliancy. I hope justice will found here and I sincerely hope our DSS is held accountable for this preventable tragedy.


It appears that animals are more important than children.

Knoxx
09-02-2008, 02:39 PM
So sad.
RIP Erin E. Maxwell

Filly
09-03-2008, 02:31 AM
This link has a photograph of this sweet little girl, Erin Maxwell.

LE are not comfortable calling this a suicide. The only time suicide was mentioned was in the 911 call.

Living in the home were Erin's biological father, Lindsey Maxwell, and her step-mother Lynn Maxwell, and Lynn's son, Alan Jones aged 27. LE says they have no particular "person of interest" right now. The family is staying at a hotel.

Meanwhile this link also has alot of comments from people claiming to "know" this or that. One person claiming to be family somewhere across the country.

God Bless this poor, poor little girl.

http://blog.syracuse.com/news/oswego/

cacnotcam
09-03-2008, 03:40 AM
OMG! WTF is wrong with people??? How awful! Poor girl!!!

kcsmom76
09-03-2008, 04:13 PM
That is so very sad. My heart breaks for this little girl. Thank God she is in heaven with the angels now. ((((((((((Erin))))))))))

Hopeful One
09-03-2008, 04:33 PM
How sad. Sounds like she was l living with a bunch of nutjobs.

texasgirl
09-03-2008, 11:31 PM
Seeing her picture made my heart break for her all over again... :(

RIP sweet angel Erin!

concernedperson
09-03-2008, 11:49 PM
From the link above that Steve provided:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...020.xml&coll=1 (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf?/base/news-15/1220259324120020.xml&coll=1)

"A male who lives at the Maxwells' home, who appeared to be in his early 20s, was often seen in the yard wearing a cape and a feathered hat and brandishing a sword, according to Lindsley and other neighbors. He would sometimes walk down Route 264 in the outfit, Lindsley said."

Well, that is the person I would sit in the chair underneath the bright lights first. I bet he had a fantasy life on-line - if they had computer access.

He sounds like he has a schizophrenic personality. Hearing voices/visions of grandeur and acting the part. Something is extremely wrong with the family (obviously) and it trickles down and poor Erin is the victim of this atrocity. Lifestyle...phooey...abuse and neglect are more the answer. Going to find some other personality disorders within this group.

I heard a comment the other night on the news and the person said the prisons are filled with personality disordered individuals. These people know right from wrong and act out their impulses anyway. If the man is schizophrenic and not on meds there is further culpability from the people responsible for his care. These same people are responsible for having children live in squalid/unhealthy conditions due to enough animals to fill a zoo.

Filly
09-04-2008, 12:49 PM
LE is still mum. They are still trying to locate Erin's biological mother.

http://www.syracuse.com/oswego/index.ssf?/base/news-13/1220518512320810.xml&coll=1

January.
09-05-2008, 09:33 PM
The guy in the cape sounds creepy. This poor little girl. Strange story indeed.

BeavisMom62
09-21-2008, 01:24 PM
This whole story is strange. Poor little girl dead, 100's of cats, an emu! and a crazy guy with a cape and a sword! a nurse and a "househusband"?!? WTH is that? I mean, I know what it is, but why? And I don't know why, but one of the first things that crossed my mind after reading a comment from a boy that went to school with her was, if she lived in that house with all of those cats, wouldn't that poor little girl smell? Even if she bathed and washed her clothes, that smell of cat would permeate everything? Any updates on this story by the way? RIP little angel. How horribly sad.

MissieMt
09-22-2008, 09:59 AM
ugh, here is an editorial
http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/2008/09/two_tragedies_erin_maxwells_de.html

and here is the latest news article i could find:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2008/09/court_records_show_troopers_co.html

Reannan
09-22-2008, 10:32 AM
This story just breaks my heart! Erin's case needs more attention than it is getting. Her story is one of a failed system that had the opportunity to save her, but chose to walk away instead. :furious::furious: Obviously, we are now dealing with a rape and murder case....Oh God, how I wish I could have been there to hold her in my arms that night! I sit here with tears streaming down my face as I type this! I thought this comment by a poster named "Cuseopinion" at the site MissieMt posted above was interesting:

http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/200...xwells_de.html (http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/2008/09/two_tragedies_erin_maxwells_de.html)
"Although it is speculation, I have become to think that perhaps it is not the step brother. Times are hard and he was living in the home only a short time. Perhaps he couldnt get a job and needed a place to live even if it was in the scum hole. Perhaps he also wanted to protect Erin. The reason I think this is because he would wake up in the morning and wait with and for her to get on and off the bus. It seems the father has been portrayed as quite the strange one parading around in his costumes. And I thought it to make sense the father would say the step brother was the only one home, while the father himself is unemployed and was only on a store run. I believe due to the frantic state of the step brother and his call in to 911 shows he found her in this condition. The emotional state of the father seems quite erie to me and does not sit right."

RIP little Erin - you did not deserve this, and justice will be served.

believe09
09-22-2008, 12:30 PM
Should we bother to point out to those officials who had the capacity to be decision makers, that Erin did not make that "lifestyle choice?" Perhaps, just perhaps, the adults in her life were not making decisions that were best for her at all? I mean, are you kidding me?

Another Rowan Ford case...

MissieMt
09-22-2008, 12:57 PM
I agree believe...I am beyond disgusted by the fact that this poor little girl was never protected. I can't imagine what she must have felt-seeing that CPS had been called-that someone out there cared-only to shown that the people who could save her, the people that SHOULD care-did not.

MeoW333
09-25-2008, 12:54 PM
That "lifestyle choice" is complete B.S. if the parents "lifestyle choice" involved sexual abuse with the child; then they would have taken her away. They need to define lifestyle choice and also one meal a day is ridiculous for a growing child?? NYS again is just trying to cover their azzes as they've messed up once again.

raeann
09-26-2008, 10:40 AM
This is a very sad story. Every time that I see the Animal Planet channel t.v. show where the "animal police" are driving around to rescue abused and neglected animals, I think it is wonderful that people in this country care to do that and financially support such efforts. BUT, if we care enough to do this for animals, why in the world do we not have similar police units which are only devoted to protecting children? I realize this is the job of CPS, but they are not police, and they do not have the resources or often the background or dedication that is needed to do a proper job. These stories happen EVERY DAY in this country!

chiperoni
09-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Was Erin attending school or did I miss that? Sorry if that question was already answered.

Rosco
09-26-2008, 02:38 PM
I was reading on the blog from the links above - one poster said that the father was shopping at Wal-mart when the 911 call was made - AND HE KEPT SHOPPING!??

Please tell me that is not correct....

RIP poor Erin... Poor poor little girl Erin.

Rosco

Jesikah1
09-27-2008, 01:01 AM
Was Erin attending school or did I miss that? - Chiperoni
If I remember correctly, I think that the death occurred before school started.

if the parents "lifestyle choice" involved sexual abuse with the child; then they would have taken her away.- MeoW333
I think that in the end their lifestyle choice did include sexual abuse considering how Asphyxiation is listed as the cause of death with sexual trauma listed as a contributing factor.
The family has explained the death away on play acting from scenes of the movie Pirates of the Caribbean, however the best they could do to explain the sexual abuse evidence is point to relatives she spent time with earlier.
http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=12d5a7c1-bacd-478d-a518-2e2c8c030106

I don't know, this case literally makes me feel sick to my stomach and right now I feel as though they should just lock up every single adult living in that house. Each one of them, even if they didn't kill her or molest her is responsible to some degree. I am usually a liberal Lucy but there is just no defense in this case.

Bobbisangel
09-27-2008, 06:30 AM
The death of this little girl just makes my hair stand on end. CPS should have taken her out of the home. It is just unbelievable that they didn't. This they should have to answer for. Most people have a "lifestyle choice" but CPS pulls kids out of homes anyway. Why not this little girl? We all choose our lifestyle come to think of it. Like someone said...this little girl didn't have a choice so CPS should have made a positive choice for her and yanked her out of that home.

The father does sound like a weird one. I hope LE put him in the hot seat. I hope they found DNA on this little girl so the killer can be charged and sent away for ever. I wonder who is paying for their motel????? The state I'll bet :furious:

nursebeeme
09-28-2008, 09:43 PM
From the link above that Steve provided:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...020.xml&coll=1 (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf?/base/news-15/1220259324120020.xml&coll=1)

"A male who lives at the Maxwells' home, who appeared to be in his early 20s, was often seen in the yard wearing a cape and a feathered hat and brandishing a sword, according to Lindsley and other neighbors. He would sometimes walk down Route 264 in the outfit, Lindsley said."

Well, that is the person I would sit in the chair underneath the bright lights first. I bet he had a fantasy life on-line - if they had computer access.
dude! Hey Reeeeeee! I was thinking the same exact thing! I would also adopt the ducks if I lived a little closer.... What a sad, sad story! Steve, are you going to write about this one? Keep us up to date!

nursebeeme
09-28-2008, 10:52 PM
If I remember correctly, I think that the death occurred before school started.


I think that in the end their lifestyle choice did include sexual abuse considering how Asphyxiation is listed as the cause of death with sexual trauma listed as a contributing factor.
The family has explained the death away on play acting from scenes of the movie Pirates of the Caribbean, however the best they could do to explain the sexual abuse evidence is point to relatives she spent time with earlier.
http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=12d5a7c1-bacd-478d-a518-2e2c8c030106

I don't know, this case literally makes me feel sick to my stomach and right now I feel as though they should just lock up every single adult living in that house. Each one of them, even if they didn't kill her or molest her is responsible to some degree. I am usually a liberal Lucy but there is just no defense in this case.
The step brother was surly cooperative. He had the LDT and submitted bucal swab as well. I suppose the autopsy will show how recent the sexual trauma was. One has to wonder, however, if she were visiting the biological mother for the summer and if any sexual abuse did in fact occur at that time.

This is a very strange case.....and it may not be what it seems to be imhoo.

rm_blogger
10-07-2008, 06:17 PM
Just finished updating this story at one of my sites. Both the Father and Step-Mother were jailed today on six charges child endangerment apiece and the Step-Brother Alan Jones was charged with second-degree murder.

MissieMt
10-07-2008, 07:50 PM
Oh...I get it. Now that she is dead they can charge them with child endangerment?!:mad:

believe09
10-07-2008, 08:36 PM
http://www.centralmediaserver.com/WIXT/maxwell%20report.pdf

This is the PDF of the completely self-serving report released by CPS regarding the three prior reports of substandard care for Erin. They congratulate themselves all the way around for meeting expectations in regards to the law.

Now, how will they approach the fact that they were WRONG. That there was clearly the standard of care was eroding for Erin and she had begun to eat out of garbage cans at school and hoard food, while her parents refused food stamps. How will the case workers deal with the fact that they observed in 2004 and 2006 that there was a hook-eye latch on the OUTSIDE of Erin's bedroom door? That the parents were still keeping their chickens in the kitchen and living room?

I guess it is easy for me to quarterback since I know how the story ends. But this report made me sick. Really.

PSST-CPS-if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...and you have been visiting with these folks since the child was 6 years old....

Filly
10-07-2008, 10:28 PM
Just finished updating this story at one of my sites. Both the Father and Step-Mother were jailed today on six charges child endangerment apiece and the Step-Brother Alan Jones was charged with second-degree murder.

Thanks for this update, RM.:furious:

This poor little girl lived in hell. Lived every single day in hell on earth. I want to poke her father's eyeballs out, and slap the living crap out of him and then hang him by a green cord and tell everyone he was just playing a scene from his favorite movie.

Her dad was supposed to protect her. :furious: I'd just pass the freak, murderer up to be tortured by someone else. Maybe make him lay in that fecal waste for a year or so. Chickens in a da*n kitchen.:furious: Step-mom has to be a loop too. How in God's name do people like this find eachother.

None of that brings back this little girl. No amount of punishment. Nothing. This poor child was murdered after having to live in that nightmare. There can't be anything sadder. Poor baby girl.

Blink34
10-07-2008, 10:32 PM
http://www.centralmediaserver.com/WIXT/maxwell%20report.pdf

This is the PDF of the completely self-serving report released by CPS regarding the three prior reports of substandard care for Erin. They congratulate themselves all the way around for meeting expectations in regards to the law.

Now, how will they approach the fact that they were WRONG. That there was clearly the standard of care was eroding for Erin and she had begun to eat out of garbage cans at school and hoard food, while her parents refused food stamps. How will the case workers deal with the fact that they observed in 2004 and 2006 that there was a hook-eye latch on the OUTSIDE of Erin's bedroom door? That the parents were still keeping their chickens in the kitchen and living room?

I guess it is easy for me to quarterback since I know how the story ends. But this report made me sick. Really.

PSST-CPS-if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...and you have been visiting with these folks since the child was 6 years old....

This is truly one of the sickest cases I have seen. God Bless this baby.
I cant even stand to read the whole thing. My God.

doonerinohio
10-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Absolutely horrible that this young child was not protected by authorities and that people knew that this was going on and did not stop it. How alone she must have felt! It saddens me to think of the life that she endured under the so-called care of her father, step-mother and step-brother. May she rest in peace.

believe09
10-08-2008, 06:41 AM
Absolutely horrible that this young child was not protected by authorities and that people knew that this was going on and did not stop it. How alone she must have felt! It saddens me to think of the life that she endured under the so-called care of her father, step-mother and step-brother. May she rest in peace.

If you read the PDF, step-mom had prior run in's with CPS in 1996. The information was deemed outside the scope of the Erin investigation so details were not included. And I would like to point out that step brother looks remarkably well fed considering Erin was starving.

OneLostGrl
10-08-2008, 08:14 AM
He sounds like he has a schizophrenic personality. Hearing voices/visions of grandeur and acting the part. Something is extremely wrong with the family (obviously) and it trickles down and poor Erin is the victim of this atrocity. Lifestyle...phooey...abuse and neglect are more the answer. Going to find some other personality disorders within this group.

I heard a comment the other night on the news and the person said the prisons are filled with personality disordered individuals. These people know right from wrong and act out their impulses anyway. If the man is schizophrenic and not on meds there is further culpability from the people responsible for his care. These same people are responsible for having children live in squalid/unhealthy conditions due to enough animals to fill a zoo.

Woah, wait. You are mistaken here- Schizophrenia is not a personality disorder, not even close! They are on two completely different Axis'!Schizophrenia is an Axis I mental illness, Personality disorders have their own little place in the DSM under Axis II.

doonerinohio
10-08-2008, 08:44 AM
It seems to me, after reading the PDF, that only when an allegation was made would the parents partially clean the house. Only enough to pass the caseworkers inspection. Meanwhile they let it get dirty and brought chickens and such in the house. I believe they knew how to work around the caseworker and were able to hide things that were really going on inside the house. Also Erin felt "attacked" by any allegations that something was going on at the house. Bless her that she was sticking up for her family and her homelife when questioned by authorities. She was making do and trying to get by in life. I noticed the step-mother was much older than the father and also was the only one that worked. I would love to see what psychological problems the father had and also the step-brother. Someone failed this child miserably.

MissieMt
10-08-2008, 10:12 AM
http://www.centralmediaserver.com/WIXT/maxwell%20report.pdf


This so called report makes me want to vomit. They clearly wrote this up as a defense for their actions (lack there of). I despise the way they try to validate their lack of actions by using Erins own testimony. Of course she is going to say everything is fine at home. Of course she was going to deny any wrong-doing on her parents part-they probably scared the carp out of her everyday. The way CPS defends themselves in this report is lower than low.:furious:

NSC
10-08-2008, 12:38 PM
This is unthinkable -- what next?? I am just ill - RIP Erin Maxwell.

Chezhire
10-08-2008, 12:56 PM
Apparently, this may be another case where the child was reported to officials, and in this case, the living conditions were ruled to be "a lifestyle choice". WTF does that mean???

See the "Comments" left at this news story:
http://tinyurl.com/55jo54

From poster named vjs529 (http://www.9wsyr.com/user/default.aspx?id=Sf71Xnn3zUit32GLzatuAw) - 9:59 AM today, 9/1/08
I knew the little girl. I along with others have turned the family in, a number of times to DSS to no avail. The living conditions were putrid, animal waste, 100's of animals of all varieties wandering through the house and kitchen. Animal waste greets you in the shed at the door. This child has a history of being neglected, underfed, and certainly abused and no one would remove her from the home. It was branded a lifestyle choice. Erin had no choices, she was at the mercy of her family and our system, both of which failed her. It makes me sick, that the big issue out there now is how many animals are being taken from the home. We need to ask ourselves, why, the living conditions are bad enough to remove the animals, but considered a lifestyle choice when deciding whether to remove a helpless child. Erin was a most beautiful child with so much potential and resiliancy. I hope justice will found here and I sincerely hope our DSS is held accountable for this preventable tragedy.

I am welling tears - I cannot imagine that little girl's 11 years of life, nor can I imagine how a parent could subject their child to it. :( :( :(

Chezhire
10-08-2008, 12:57 PM
OMG, this is so heartbreaking!! :(

That poor child!! NO child should grow up and live like this and I wonder why noone helped her if it was reported! Makes me sick!!!

It really is. Reminds me of the DSS in Philly, PA - same thing happening over there...

believe09
10-08-2008, 01:57 PM
lets see-they have been following the child's substandard home environment for three years-the family refuses food assistance even though the child at the center of the report eats from garbage cans in spite of there being adequate food within the house.

Just a question if CPS is looking for a place where Erin might have fallen through the cracks, especially after the home visit in 2006-what would have happened if Erin was evaluated by medical personnel? When was the last time the child was seen by a pediatrician? How was her growth? I mean, just because she had some internal mechanism that allowed for her to continue to be bright and social does not mean that she either was not starving or that she believed she deserved to eat out of garbage cans. Beyond that there was already a person in the household (step mom) who was known to CPS.

MissieMt
10-08-2008, 03:44 PM
You are correct believe...and not only was cps following Erin's sub-standard home environment, they witnessed it deteriorating first-hand. Any clown who could read those reports and compare the 1st complaint to the last complaint could see it deteriorating!! I'm sorry but this is a flat out failure on the part of CPS. There is no way they can candy-coat it to make it look like they tried. If I were living in Oswego County I would be outraged that they really think people living there are dumb enough to buy their bull.

Lyn1001
10-08-2008, 03:55 PM
I do not know much about the court system or anything in New York, my experience is in a different state. However, in my experience, if CPS would have petitioned the court in any of the three instances, the petition would have been denied. Before removing a child, unless there is a risk of immediate danger, you are supposed to provide the family with services or give them a chance to clean up a dirty house. To go into court and say that the family did clean up when asked and the child, as well as everyone else, deny any problems, the court will throw it out and ream out the worker for filing the petition.

Even if a petition was authorized, there is no way the child would be in the system for any length of time. All the parents' attorney has to do is demonstrate that the house is clean and, since the child denies any problems, the child would be returned home.

As a worker, you can have a gut feeling, and you can know deep down that something is wrong. However, the court doesn't let you get by with gut feelings, you have to have hard evidence that the parents are not cooperating and being at home is detrimental to the child. If a child is well adjusted, saying they are eating, saying there are no problems, there is adequate food in the home, and the parents follow directions to clean up, there is no LEGAL basis to remove the child.

Sometimes it sucks being a social worker because sometimes you are forced to do something you don't feel in your gut is right simply because of the law/court. Yet, when something happens, the social workers are the ones that get "thrown under the bus" so to speak.

As I said, I cannot say how New York works, I only know from my experience in a different state. There is so much that factors into social workers decisions that people don't realize and don't know about. I will admit, there are bad social workers who make bad decisions. But that's not always the case. And before someone brings up that they never brought any of the allegations to court, so how would they know how it would be handled, let me say this. If you've worked in a specific county for any length of time, you learn what flies and what doesn't. You know exactly what needs to be in the petition and what proof you need. If you don't have that proof, you know to not even take the case to court.

believe09
10-08-2008, 04:29 PM
I do not know much about the court system or anything in New York, my experience is in a different state. However, in my experience, if CPS would have petitioned the court in any of the three instances, the petition would have been denied. Before removing a child, unless there is a risk of immediate danger, you are supposed to provide the family with services or give them a chance to clean up a dirty house. To go into court and say that the family did clean up when asked and the child, as well as everyone else, deny any problems, the court will throw it out and ream out the worker for filing the petition.

Even if a petition was authorized, there is no way the child would be in the system for any length of time. All the parents' attorney has to do is demonstrate that the house is clean and, since the child denies any problems, the child would be returned home.

As a worker, you can have a gut feeling, and you can know deep down that something is wrong. However, the court doesn't let you get by with gut feelings, you have to have hard evidence that the parents are not cooperating and being at home is detrimental to the child. If a child is well adjusted, saying they are eating, saying there are no problems, there is adequate food in the home, and the parents follow directions to clean up, there is no LEGAL basis to remove the child.

Sometimes it sucks being a social worker because sometimes you are forced to do something you don't feel in your gut is right simply because of the law/court. Yet, when something happens, the social workers are the ones that get "thrown under the bus" so to speak.

As I said, I cannot say how New York works, I only know from my experience in a different state. There is so much that factors into social workers decisions that people don't realize and don't know about. I will admit, there are bad social workers who make bad decisions. But that's not always the case. And before someone brings up that they never brought any of the allegations to court, so how would they know how it would be handled, let me say this. If you've worked in a specific county for any length of time, you learn what flies and what doesn't. You know exactly what needs to be in the petition and what proof you need. If you don't have that proof, you know to not even take the case to court.

I absolutely accept this argument as truth, HOWEVER by their own admission, medical personnel are a resource-what if CPS had given her an examination, at the very least in 2006? I am not trying to nitpick, however by anyone's standards hoarding food at school and eating from garbage cans is not normal behavior.

Lyn1001
10-08-2008, 04:49 PM
I absolutely accept this argument as truth, HOWEVER by their own admission, medical personnel are a resource-what if CPS had given her an examination, at the very least in 2006? I am not trying to nitpick, however by anyone's standards hoarding food at school and eating from garbage cans is not normal behavior.

I concede that a psychological examination probably would have been appropriate. The reason I say this is because 1.) there was plenty of food observed in the home, and 2.) the mother stated the child did the same thing at home. While it may be that she was honestly hungry, it also may have pointed to possibly psychological issues steming from a need for control. Since there was no note of her looking emanciated or anything, I would tend to lean more towards the fact that a psychological should have been requested. However, here is where you come to a catch 22. Unless the court has jurisdiction of the children, the family cannot be FORCED to do anything. It can be strongly recommended, or you can say "if you don't do this your children may be removed", but it cannot be forced. In situations of immediate danger, or alleged sexual abuse, the rules are a little different. However, I do believe they should have made an attempt to at least provide the family with information regarding counseling.

believe09
10-08-2008, 07:00 PM
I concede that a psychological examination probably would have been appropriate. The reason I say this is because 1.) there was plenty of food observed in the home, and 2.) the mother stated the child did the same thing at home. While it may be that she was honestly hungry, it also may have pointed to possibly psychological issues steming from a need for control. Since there was no note of her looking emanciated or anything, I would tend to lean more towards the fact that a psychological should have been requested. However, here is where you come to a catch 22. Unless the court has jurisdiction of the children, the family cannot be FORCED to do anything. It can be strongly recommended, or you can say "if you don't do this your children may be removed", but it cannot be forced. In situations of immediate danger, or alleged sexual abuse, the rules are a little different. However, I do believe they should have made an attempt to at least provide the family with information regarding counseling.

I think it is fascinating that the child and house reeked of animal urine-another question that might have crossed my mind was whether the other family members clothing also reeked of urine.

In these some what subtle cases, is it fair to say that one family member is targeted to bear the brunt of neglect, deprivation or abuse? Maybe this should be part of a new yardstick-the house was in substandard condition but the family refused public assistance. The school went so far as to repeatedly launder the child's clothing....Step mom and son were employed outside of the home-did their clothing smell as well?

JMO.

PrayersForMaura
10-08-2008, 11:43 PM
but what if the reports were correct and she was happy and the family had a hard time keeping up? Reports said she did well in school.

I don't know... I mean, it seems her step-brother killed her, not her parents. I know they should've protected her.
I feel sooo bad for the poor little girl, God rest her soul.
But she seemed to love her dad.

Filly
10-09-2008, 12:02 PM
It really is. Reminds me of the DSS in Philly, PA - same thing happening over there...

It's actually DHS over here.

Six people were just arraigned the other day concerning Danieal Kelly. In case folks aren't familiar with this case this was a 14 year old little girl with cerebal palsey who was left to starve to death in her own waste with maggots crawling on her in the heat of summer with no venilation in the room. Amazingly at some point relatives decided to sue.

We also had several years ago poor little Portia Bennett murdered. DHS was supposed to be on the ball for Portia and her siblings.:furious:



http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20081007_Six_arraigned_in_Phila__child-neglect_case.html

pjsmommy
10-09-2008, 12:04 PM
this is right near my house. its been all over the news. there is a lady who reported this years ago who is livid at this, the same things she reported were still going on and no one did anything about it.

believe09
10-09-2008, 02:29 PM
this is right near my house. its been all over the news. there is a lady who reported this years ago who is livid at this, the same things she reported were still going on and no one did anything about it.


Ahh well, I agree that the perps were responsible-yes perhaps her step brother murdered her, but I cannot help but argue that there is a reason why he thought she was disposable....

CaliKid
10-09-2008, 03:07 PM
Ahh well, I agree that the perps were responsible-yes perhaps her step brother murdered her, but I cannot help but argue that there is a reason why he thought she was disposable....

If she was being neglected and mistreated then that would account to why the brother felt she didn't matter.

MeoW333
10-09-2008, 05:21 PM
Lets all face it; NYS's system is completely screwed up.

PrayersForMaura
10-09-2008, 05:43 PM
If she was being neglected and mistreated then that would account to why the brother felt she didn't matter.

or maybe he's just sick and twisted.

My goodness, I just realized the father is only one year older than me!!
I pictured someone much older.

the step brother is just 9 or 10 years younger than the father, I believe.

PrayersForMaura
10-09-2008, 05:44 PM
where and when did they get 100 cats? I thought the last time they were checked on by DHS was in 2006, they only had 7? They must have gotten almost 100 cats in 2 years. Crazy. Where did they find them all??
Or were they hiding in the master bedroom the whole time that the parents wouldn't let them see their room?

MeoW333
10-09-2008, 05:58 PM
"Lindsey explained to police that "she always goes to bed around 6:00pm right after she eats dinner. She usually eats dinner in her bedroom and we usually eat dinner in the living room."

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=12d5a7c1-bacd-478d-a518-2e2c8c030106

Now why on earth would an 11 year old girl always eat in her room and the rest of the family eat together in the living room??
Lock them all up for murder; they probably planned it all out together for some sick reason or another. Why did they keep her locked in her room with 3 locks on the door?
They probably killed her thinking they'd get away with it. The poor thing was probably ready to turn them in.

MeoW333
10-09-2008, 06:00 PM
"Then there was her habit of stealing food from other students. Her fifth grade teacher says that one day she "asked her why... Erin broke down and cried then told us she was hungry."
So the principal got involved, and called the Maxwells to offer them an application for free or reduced price school lunches. When the Maxwells refused, "I ended up personally paying for erin's food," the principal said."


http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=12d5a7c1-bacd-478d-a518-2e2c8c030106

New York State is a disgrace; with all this evidence and the amount of times social services was called and CPS they should have taken this child out of their care a long time ago.

ArizonaGiGi
10-10-2008, 03:34 AM
Anybody ever notice how when a child is starved to death, the rest of the family members are usually "overfed".

MeoW333
10-10-2008, 07:00 PM
Anybody ever notice how when a child is starved to death, the rest of the family members are usually "overfed".

I have noticed that as well; in a number of cases..

believe09
10-10-2008, 07:56 PM
I have noticed that as well; in a number of cases..
It's gotta be part of the "kick" or the selfishness that creates the situation to begin with.

I swore I was done posting on this case and here I am again-the child was isolated and her parents did not care enough about her to feed her or fill out the paperwork that would allow her to be fed at least one square meal per day.

:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

MissieMt
10-12-2008, 09:47 AM
Lyn1001, thank you for posting your personal knowledge on this subject. I agree that we shouldn't be blaming only the caseworkers and if I have I am sorry.
I DO however, blame the system that completely, 100%, without a doubt, FAILED poor Erin. I blame those who sit idley by and allow the system to work in such a screwed up manner, and I blame those who have first hand knowledge of the backward thinking of the system and do nothing to change it.
I'm sorry if this offends anyone but there were red flags flying up EVERYWHERE around this poor little girl-and those who tried to do something about it were completely blown off by the system that is supposed to know what is best for children. It is down right unacceptable and disgusting in my opinion.

believe09
10-12-2008, 10:37 AM
Lynn, what would make sense if someone told you that you could re-write the laws associated with social work? I mean, what is realistic?

MrsG728
10-15-2008, 12:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/07/child.killed.charges.ap/index.html

FULTON, New York (AP) -- A man was charged Tuesday in the strangling death of his 11-year-old stepsister who was starved by her parents and slept in a locked room inside an upstate New York house filled with garbage and more than 100 cats, police said.
Alan Jones, 27, was indicted on a second-degree murder charge in the death of Erin Maxwell on August 29. The girl died a day after she was found unconscious in her bedroom with a green cord around her neck, one end caught on a nail in a window frame.

believe09
10-15-2008, 04:03 PM
I am not being salacious, but didn't the original stories include sexual assault? I am becoming nauseous at the scenario unfolding here, and the last terror filled hours of this child.

Lyn1001
10-15-2008, 04:40 PM
Lynn, what would make sense if someone told you that you could re-write the laws associated with social work? I mean, what is realistic?

To be perfectly honest, nothing is realistic. The system, in theory, is a great idea. However, there is no good way to put it into practice. Due to the fact that a lot of gut feelings are involved, so many things are subjective, and there are always going to be both bad and overzealous workers. If the laws are written too strict, people will be losing their kids to the system left and right. If they're too lienient, then kids who should be removed will stay in the home. There are plenty of cases on each side. And that's just at the first line. Then you have the courts to deal with. Sometimes it comes down to which judge you're in front of. Then you go even further to everything being overlooked by the state or the federal government. As a worker, you do what you can. You try to help. Sometimes you have a feeling it will turn out bad, but there is nothing legally you can do. You either get shot down by "higher ups" or the court. You just have to know you did the best you could. And if something does happen, and the media doesn't have the whole story, you have to know in your heart that you tried.

As an aside, until you have a case in the media, you don't really realize how much they get wrong! You also don't realize how many "official statements" don't include the whole story.

RainbowsAndGumdrops
10-15-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't know why I am on such a high horse today about the safe haven rules, but this is exactly why those safe haven rules are needed for older kids. Erin would be in a sucky situation knowing she wasn't wanted and that she was dumped at a hospital, but at least she'd be alive if she were taken to a safe haven. The family could/would continue living their pathetic life and continue to pretend Erin didn't exist. The difference is that Erin would have a chance in life if there were a safe haven she could be left at - and that the family were willing to take her to.

Txmom
10-15-2008, 07:16 PM
I have been thinking about Erin for the past 4-5 days. She was at an age that she could verbalize what was going on in the home, she knew that she was hungry and was digging in the trash cans for food, she knew that she smelled, and she most likely was being sexually assulted in her home by her step-brother.

We have to establish some type of system that is "better" than what we have. Maybe we need to take children of this age out of the home, and down to sometype of "home" style like office building. Something that is like an office, but yet could house children for overnights if possible. And "interview" them and find out whats going on in their lives. But in reality, the neighbors, teachers, etc., knew what was going on and the state blew it.

As I have say many times, at the age of 51 I have no business raising more children, but she would have been welcomed with open arms into our home. My daughter and son would have absolutely loved to have had a sister.

ArizonaGiGi
10-16-2008, 01:33 AM
I hope he gets the max 25 years. Too bad they can't give him more. And baby killers don't fare well in prison. He will get lots of special attention in there. Every single day. And night.
Now it's time for the Dad and Step-Mom to pay.

Jesikah1
10-16-2008, 03:19 AM
Could somebody explain to me why he would get a second degree murder charge as opposed to a first degree charge? I really don't understand the nuances of this. I'm off to look for the answer on the web, but I am sure somebody here will give a more straight forward answer that I can actually understand!

I am not being salacious, but didn't the original stories include sexual assault? I am becoming nauseous at the scenario unfolding here, and the last terror filled hours of this child. Believe09

Yes if I remember correctly one newspaper article actually said that Sexual Assault was listed as a secondary cause of death, but I am working on memory, but I'm positive that sexual assault was part of this poor girl's world. This story simply makes me sick. :furious:

Jesikah1
10-16-2008, 03:34 AM
Believe09: Here is the information regarding the Sexual Trauma
http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=12d5a7c1-bacd-478d-a518-2e2c8c030106
"Lanza and the family produced what they say is the official death certificate -- asphyxia is listed as the primary cause of death; sexual trauma is listed as a contributing factor. The family says they have no explanation for the sexual trauma, but point to the month and a half Erin spent in Nevada visiting relatives this summer"

The interesting part is that I found no other mention of the sexual assault, which is peculiar, it seems that if it was indeed found to have occurred, there would be more mention of it by prosecutors and reporters. So at this point I'm less sure about this aspect of the case, but it was brought up by the family themselves. My guess is that it did occur. :mad:

believe09
10-16-2008, 09:08 AM
Thank you for the link-it is beyond sickening to have sexual trauma listed as a CONTRIBUTING to COD...that is how I am interpreting this. I suspect that this is why the family is quick to indicate that angel-baby hung herself...I am puzzled by the concept that a child of this age could have killed herself in this fashion, accident or otherwise because we can all read between the lines as to what they are trying to imply.

Man this case is getting to me-I can not let it go.

cinegal
10-17-2008, 12:31 PM
I apologize if this has been previously posted:

http://justiceforerin.webs.com/index.htm

ckwood32
09-09-2009, 02:01 PM
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Jury-selection-underway-in-Alan-Jones-trial/zTdC7uwVDEqdKHu0j0ihuQ.cspx
This creep is finally on trial!!!

ckwood32
09-09-2009, 02:03 PM
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/09/judge_in_erin_maxwell_murder_t.html
I pray for Justice for this sweet baby!

nursebeeme
09-09-2009, 02:21 PM
thank you to EVERYONE who posted updates on this case. I have thought about it often.. Glad to hear of the upcoming date with THE PEOPLE OF THE COURT!

believe09
09-09-2009, 02:36 PM
25 to life-huh? 11 years old and dead. The last thing she saw and felt was this man. Is there something longer than life???? jk.

annmarie62
09-09-2009, 10:33 PM
...oooohhhh...*sigh*... this case makes me so,so SAD!!!! more than likely, mine will be the last post on this case; more than likely, no one will even read it, but- here goes:
it is truly amazing how little press was given to this case (NG, JVM, etc.)- it seems the spotlight always stays on abductions/missing children, which I realize also deserve our full attention but... it seems that the reason such relatively little (nonlocal/-state) attention was given to erin is because she was AT HOME when she was murdered and violated. if, say, she had disappeared for 3-5 days, then been found murdered by her stepbrother, THEN she would've had the "amber alert" spotlight of national focus. as it is, she was born, lived (miserably), and died without ever "disappearing," thus, she is a mere blip on our national "outrage" meter. i give many props to the posters here who kept this story going, all 4 pages of it. and i am not knocking WS at all, just remarking on how quickly and quietly she came upon then disappeared from the collective american "conscience," unlike caylee, hayleigh, etc. and i mean NO disrespect to those two little ones, but...sometimes it seems that a death is "measured" in terms of headlines/TV shows- i know i am guilty of focusing on the most "popular" (hideous term, but we all know what i mean) cases, reading "thread #'s 2 or 3 or 4, even of the same crimes, and i do feel guilty in a sense that, until today, i had ignored this thread in order to post on others. ok, not making much sense here, i know, just wanted to express my profound sadness re. this poor child's passing, esp. given the way her own community failed her...jmo, etc...:mad:

Texas Mist
09-15-2009, 04:05 PM
WTH is going on here??!!...I have the same question as the DA (why would the court allow the case to go forward if the indictment was inappropriate???)


Oswego, NY -- Oswego County Court Judge Walter Hafner said in court this morning that defendant Alan Jones could admit to strangling Erin Maxwell to death and the jury would have to find him not guilty under the theory presented by the prosecution.

The judge's statement -- while the jury was out of the room -- came after District Attorney Donald Dodd argued that testimony about Jones' views of death were crucial for the jury to hear. Defense lawyer Salvatore Lanza said that Jones is a pagan and views death differently than a Christian would.

....
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/09/judge_in_erin_maxwell_trial_al.html

JoeFromLB
09-15-2009, 05:03 PM
...oooohhhh...*sigh*... this case makes me so,so SAD!!!! more than likely, mine will be the last post on this case; more than likely, no one will even read it, but- here goes:
it is truly amazing how little press was given to this case (NG, JVM, etc.)- it seems the spotlight always stays on abductions/missing children, which I realize also deserve our full attention but... it seems that the reason such relatively little (nonlocal/-state) attention was given to erin is because she was AT HOME when she was murdered and violated. if, say, she had disappeared for 3-5 days, then been found murdered by her stepbrother, THEN she would've had the "amber alert" spotlight of national focus. as it is, she was born, lived (miserably), and died without ever "disappearing," thus, she is a mere blip on our national "outrage" meter. i give many props to the posters here who kept this story going, all 4 pages of it. and i am not knocking WS at all, just remarking on how quickly and quietly she came upon then disappeared from the collective american "conscience," unlike caylee, hayleigh, etc. and i mean NO disrespect to those two little ones, but...sometimes it seems that a death is "measured" in terms of headlines/TV shows- i know i am guilty of focusing on the most "popular" (hideous term, but we all know what i mean) cases, reading "thread #'s 2 or 3 or 4, even of the same crimes, and i do feel guilty in a sense that, until today, i had ignored this thread in order to post on others. ok, not making much sense here, i know, just wanted to express my profound sadness re. this poor child's passing, esp. given the way her own community failed her...jmo, etc...:mad:

Lots of people have read your post, and it won't be the last one on the subject. Your passion and COMpassion for the victim of this horrific crime is uplifting in the midst of all this darkness. There are too many people to count who really care about justice for this poor little girl. And justice will be done, whether by this court, or by God, when the time comes for Mr. Jones to meet his Maker and Judge.

Keep posting, and keep the passion alive!

Truman
09-16-2009, 10:37 AM
A reporter for the Syracuse Post-Standard News updates frequently on this case directly from court via Twitter. The little blurbs are absolutely incredible, and are virtually real-time.

I have never used Twitter before, but I am signing up to "follow" this account. I figure the more people displayed as "following" Erin's trial will encourage the reporter and the paper to keep this story in the news, providing a little bit of justice for Erin, and hopefully preventing us from repeating some of the same mistakes with other innocent children - children who have NO voice and suffer unimaginable agony all alone, with no consolation, love, or care from anyone. :cry:

You can find the updates here:

http://twitter.com/ps_news

southcitymom
09-16-2009, 10:43 AM
A reporter for the Syracuse Post-Standard News updates frequently on this case directly from court via Twitter. The little blurbs are absolutely incredible, and are virtually real-time.

I have never used Twitter before, but I am signing up to "follow" this account. I figure the more people displayed as "following" Erin's trial will encourage the reporter and the paper to keep this story in the news, providing a little bit of justice for Erin, and hopefully preventing us from repeating some of the same mistakes with other innocent children - children who have NO voice and suffer unimaginable agony all alone, with no consolation, love, or care from anyone. :cry:

You can find the updates here:

http://twitter.com/ps_news

Welcome to WS, Truman, and thanks for this information!

LCoastMom
09-16-2009, 12:26 PM
...oooohhhh...*sigh*... this case makes me so,so SAD!!!! more than likely, mine will be the last post on this case; more than likely, no one will even read it, but- here goes:
it is truly amazing how little press was given to this case (NG, JVM, etc.)- it seems the spotlight always stays on abductions/missing children, which I realize also deserve our full attention but... it seems that the reason such relatively little (nonlocal/-state) attention was given to erin is because she was AT HOME when she was murdered and violated. if, say, she had disappeared for 3-5 days, then been found murdered by her stepbrother, THEN she would've had the "amber alert" spotlight of national focus. as it is, she was born, lived (miserably), and died without ever "disappearing," thus, she is a mere blip on our national "outrage" meter. i give many props to the posters here who kept this story going, all 4 pages of it. and i am not knocking WS at all, just remarking on how quickly and quietly she came upon then disappeared from the collective american "conscience," unlike caylee, hayleigh, etc. and i mean NO disrespect to those two little ones, but...sometimes it seems that a death is "measured" in terms of headlines/TV shows- i know i am guilty of focusing on the most "popular" (hideous term, but we all know what i mean) cases, reading "thread #'s 2 or 3 or 4, even of the same crimes, and i do feel guilty in a sense that, until today, i had ignored this thread in order to post on others. ok, not making much sense here, i know, just wanted to express my profound sadness re. this poor child's passing, esp. given the way her own community failed her...jmo, etc...:mad:



AnnMarie, for the first time in a long time a post made me cry from the writers reaction to what happened to a voiceless child. I hope you continue to follow the case and what happened to this little girl. You are absolutely right that all of these children deserve our attention. I can't say equal attention, no matter what I would like, because with Caylee many people followed her case hoping to find Caylee alive. The rest of us have hung on to make sure her murderer gets the full sentence she deserves. After her atty and her family have turned the case into a three ring circus.

There are not enough hours in the day or news shows on the tube, for all of us to follow every case, but if one or two of us can hang on to each one of these babies, and continue to tell their stories, about how they were so badly neglected in life, by the families who were supposed to care for them. I hope we can begin to make a difference, so their death wasn't in vain.

I am currently following 2 cases that received almost no press at all. 18 month old Emma Barker, whose mother allegedly :rolleyes: smothered her and dumped her little body on along a CA HWY. In this case WS actually made a little difference by filling the email of a couple of prominent news people who actually put her on their national shows.

The other received even less press. 2 year old Rene Torres whose mother and her boyfriend admit they had been binding the baby with tape; his arms, legs, feet and mouth as a means of discipline. On the night of Aug 17th they put him to bed this way and he choked. They found him dead in his crib the next morning. That precious baby had turned 2 a couple weeks before. They admitted to LE they had been doing this for several months!! I can't even imagine the pain and suffering that baby experienced over and over at the hands of these monsters. The boyfriend weighed in at the jail at 210 lbs. A great big, 32 yr old man knew of no other way to discipline this tiny little, baby boy; but to wrap his little body in tape so he couldn't move or make any noise..Oh, big surprise! Meth was found on the premises too. And yet no one knew what was happening to baby Rene.

I was so relieved to see that as of now, these POS are being held for murder. I just hope the DA doesn't let either one plea out the charges.

I hope every time someone new hears about these lost angels, including little Erin. That some how we will make a difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LCoastMom
09-16-2009, 03:16 PM
I just read the posts that are being made on the links on page 1. It sounds like there is no evidence against the step brother... It also sounds like he may very well get off.

Locals are asking what happened to the sexual attack that police reported last year, they want to know if LE questioned anyone else and tons of people are pointing fingers at her father and even the step mother.

Police said that the step brother was alone with her so he should know what happened to her, neighbors are saying something happened to Erin before parents left to go to walmart and then completed their shopping spree after getting the call that Erin was very badly hurt. These are not crazy nosey neighbors but concerned people who heard one story last year by police, and a new story since the trial starting.

This was posted on the blog. Jackie Siver had called CPS, trying to help Erin after her daughter befriended her.

One was Jackie Siver, whose daughter befriended Erin. She said the conditions in the home were awful two years ago. She said the girl's odor was so bad that students used to throw soap at her and teachers would sometimes wash her clothes. Her daughter said Erin rummaged through cafeteria garbage looking for food.

Siver said a caseworker told her the girl could not be removed from the home because she was getting the minimum standard of care, which included having at least one meal a day.

Is the state's standard really so low that it's acceptable for a child to have only one meal a day?

Oswego DSS Commissioner Frances Lanigan said the DSS responded properly and the family took "all the necessary steps to rectify the situation." "We're not out there to tear families apart," she said. "If there are things that need to be dealt with, we're going to work with the family."

But how do you work with a family who would subject a child to such stomach-turning conditions?

I'm trying to understand, if the condition was deemed to be soo bad after Erin was found unresponsive in the home; that authorities removed the animals. (This included a pile of feces 3 feet high and dead animals kept in the family's freezer.) Why was it not bad enough to remove the child????? Please, anyone???

How do these case workers sleep at night? The family home was filled with over 100 cats and was called a "Life Style choice." before Erin died. I don't recall reading anywhere that said Erin was given a choice...

How many children are going to die at the hands of their family after CPS investigates and does nothing to help. How can case workers lie down in their clean, comfortable bed, knowing a child went to bed hungry in a room that reeks of cat and how can they sleep well, feeling they did their best?

believe09
09-16-2009, 04:36 PM
missmybaby, this whole case was a CPS trainwreck from the beginning. There are no excuses sufficient. I love the fact that this poor tortured child was still so resilient she had friends and people who were concerned about her-in the end that speaks volumes for her bravery.

Every adult in that home is culpable-all are guilty of any sexual assault and soul-stunting treatment of that child. No one should get a pass.

elle1919
09-16-2009, 04:42 PM
Apparently, this may be another case where the child was reported to officials, and in this case, the living conditions were ruled to be "a lifestyle choice". WTF does that mean???

See the "Comments" left at this news story:
http://tinyurl.com/55jo54

From poster named vjs529 (http://www.9wsyr.com/user/default.aspx?id=Sf71Xnn3zUit32GLzatuAw) - 9:59 AM today, 9/1/08
I knew the little girl. I along with others have turned the family in, a number of times to DSS to no avail. The living conditions were putrid, animal waste, 100's of animals of all varieties wandering through the house and kitchen. Animal waste greets you in the shed at the door. This child has a history of being neglected, underfed, and certainly abused and no one would remove her from the home. It was branded a lifestyle choice. Erin had no choices, she was at the mercy of her family and our system, both of which failed her. It makes me sick, that the big issue out there now is how many animals are being taken from the home. We need to ask ourselves, why, the living conditions are bad enough to remove the animals, but considered a lifestyle choice when deciding whether to remove a helpless child. Erin was a most beautiful child with so much potential and resiliancy. I hope justice will found here and I sincerely hope our DSS is held accountable for this preventable tragedy.


wow.....your post gave me goosebumps. This story is heartbreaking. I have an 11 year old daughter that I can't wait to love on when she walks in the door from school today. DSS in many states these days are dropping the ball on our nation's most valuable resource! MOO

elle1919
09-16-2009, 04:45 PM
I lived in Onondaga County 4 years ago before running like mad as far away as I could get. I recognize the judge and many names involved. I have no further questions.

LCoastMom
09-16-2009, 06:47 PM
I lived in Onondaga County 4 years ago before running like mad as far away as I could get. I recognize the judge and many names involved. I have no further questions.

I do!! What can we do to stop these people from getting away with murder? One of the blogs was titled Two Tragedies.; The life and death of Erin...

That is just heinous!!! Someone killed this little girl and it sounds like the guilty party may not be on trial. If she died from sexual trauma (a co-factor in her death) where is the DNA? If the gold "rope" was used to strangle her, it has someone else's DNA besides just hers. Are they bringing anything in as evidence?

If there is no DNA from her "step" brother, whose DNA was there?

Why is CPS not being called on the rug here?

This reminds me of baby P, where all the evidence was right out in the open. That baby was taken into the walk in clinic with a broken back and the doctor didn't finish his exam because he was so cranky!!! and wrote it off as a cold!! Well hot damn, I bet that doctor would be cranky if she was being ill treated and suffered from a broken back too!!!

Heads are rolling in that case, not all the heads that should have rolled, but some are better than none. Who is going on the chopping block this time?



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Disguiseduser0308
09-16-2009, 07:45 PM
How is it the home was perfectly fine for a child to reside in, yet when that child dies suddenly the animals need to be removed? Eh, yeah, I agree with everyone who said this child was completely failed by the system put into place to protect her. Sadly, this won't be the last time we hear of a child protective service dropping the ball.

CuriousTwo
09-17-2009, 06:49 PM
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/carsuch/erinmaxwell.jpg
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/oswego/

I just wanted to post Erin's pic, to remind us of the young life that was ended far too soon.

CuriousTwo
09-17-2009, 06:57 PM
I have to add that when I began following Emma Thompson's case and how CPS failed her, I had hoped it was an isolated incident (boy was I naive!). Now, with all the cases that have resulted from CPS's ineffective investigations and case conclusions, it is an EPIDEMIC! I only hope and pray that the entire CPS system will be investigated nation-wide and revamped before any more children are assaulted, killed, starved and tortured. Someone has to advocate for these children!

ella971
09-18-2009, 07:40 PM
Why can't I find videos of inside of the home? I'm following the case on Twitter. I want justice for this amazing little girl who went thru so much.

ella971
09-18-2009, 08:08 PM
I was able to find the video of her father and step mother in the park.Hard to watch that.They both had such little emotion for her passing and too much for the concern of who was feeding the animals.Has anyone found the video of inside the house?

arielilane
09-18-2009, 10:29 PM
I am just now reading about the horrible life of Erin. No child should ever have to experience what Erin did. This whole story is extremely upsetting; including the most recent findings. These monsters better not get away with this...Justice for Erin.

Here is a photo of beautiful Erin Maxwell, may she rest-in-peace.


http://stopcorruptdss.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/erinmaxwell1.jpg?w=500&h=320

arielilane
09-18-2009, 10:31 PM
http://stopcorruptdss.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/erin-maxwell-case-deplorable-living-conditions-ignored-by-dss/

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/arrests_made_in_erin_maxwell_c.html

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/ive_from_the_erin_maxwell_tria.html

arielilane
09-18-2009, 10:32 PM
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2009/07/large_erinwave.jpg Erin

arielilane
09-18-2009, 10:33 PM
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=192168

Defense attorney Sal Lanza tried to pick apart the autopsy, but Jumbelic stuck by her findings.

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=351565

http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2008/09/erin_maxwell_was_hung.php

~greeneyedgirl~
09-19-2009, 10:06 AM
I just started reading this case yesterday, there are no words to describe how I feel right now after. I do have one question though, Where is Erin's bio "mom" I only remember reading a small bit about her that Erin had spent the summer with her.

This is just so tragic on so many different levels.

arielilane
09-22-2009, 11:28 PM
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/carsuch/erinmaxwell.jpg
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/oswego/

I just wanted to post Erin's pic, to remind us of the young life that was ended far too soon.
That's a pretty picture of Erin. I had not been about to view the picture before. For some reason when I first came to this thread the picture had not been download for me to view it as I was scrolling through the posts.

arielilane
09-22-2009, 11:33 PM
Defense rests in Alan Jones murder trial

By Jim Kenyon (http://www.cnycentral.com/about/bio.aspx?id=348)
Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 6:33 p.m.

OSWEGO -- Unless something unforeseen happens, a jury of twelve men will decide the innocence or guilt of Alan Jones on the charge of murder in the death of his stepsister, Erin Maxwell. Jones is accused of strangling the 11-year-old Maxwell in their home in Palermo in August of 2008.

The testimony portion of the Jones trial ended Tuesday afternoon, and the defense rested its case. Jones’s attorney, Salvatore Lanza, asked Oswego County Court Judge Walter Hafner to dismiss the charges against Jones outside of the presence of the trial jury. Lanza claimed that the prosecution has not proven its case against his client.
Judge Hafner denied the defense’s request, and asked both sides if they would consider a reduced charge of manslaughter instead of the more serious murder charge. Both Lanza and District Attorney Donald Dodd refused.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=353551 (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=353551)

arielilane
09-24-2009, 11:25 PM
Guilty verdict in Alan Jones murder trial

Updated 4:40 PM
Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 4:17 p.m.

OSWEGO -- Alan Jones has been found guily of second degree murder by "depraved indifference" in the death of his stepsister, Erin Maxwell.

The jury foreman looked directly at Jones as he read the verdict. Jones reacted by sitting down and putting his face in his hands as the judge thanked and excused the jury.

The Oswego County jury of 12 men took approximately 12 hours over two days to come to the verdict, requiring multiple readbacks of witness testimony as well as extra instructions from the trial judge, Walter Hafner. They had also asked for all evidence, including more than a hundred photos, diagrams, witness statements and physical items.

http://www.cnycentral.com/includes/images/news/video-icon-topic.gif (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/video.aspx?id=354564)

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=354564

arielilane
09-25-2009, 11:30 PM
[/URL][URL="http://www.cnycentral.com/news/video.aspx?id=354745"]http://www.cnycentral.com/includes/images/news/video-icon-topic.gif (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=354745) Alan Jones: Neighbors react to guilty verdict
It's been a long year for the many who involved themselves with the story of Erin Maxwell's killing. On Thursday, it came to a close.

• Alan Jones: Neighbors react to guilty verdict (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/video.aspx?id=354745)

believe09
09-26-2009, 08:56 AM
Hallelujiah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

arielilane
09-28-2009, 09:29 PM
Bumping for this brave young girl Erin who lost her life too early. I know that she is at peace with all the other children and angels.

LCoastMom
09-30-2009, 11:30 AM
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/carsuch/erinmaxwell.jpg
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/oswego/

I just wanted to post Erin's pic, to remind us of the young life that was ended far too soon.

Ohhh, look at that beautiful child, with such a sweet smile. Thank you CT...

This is another case that just churns my stomach.

Why did CPS abandon this baby? With so many people offering to help her...

If her father and his wife cared so little as they seem. Why did they not just hand her over to the state?

It must have been some huge inconvenience for them every time CPS knocked on their door and suggested they clean the place up and start keeping some food in the house for their child and not just for their pets. They obviously don't care what other people think... It's not like anyone would have criticized them, if I knew them and knew their child had been put into foster care, I would have thanked them for caring enough to get her out of their sty.

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Mysterylover
09-30-2009, 07:20 PM
Should we bother to point out to those officials who had the capacity to be decision makers, that Erin did not make that "lifestyle choice?"

Perhaps, just perhaps, the adults in her life were not making decisions that were best for her at all? I mean, are you kidding me?

Another Rowan Ford case...

believe09, You are absolutely right. Who are they kidding?

I am reading about this case for the first time, Sept. 09. I am so disgusted something like this can take place, I have to vent and say what I think.

This beautiful child did NOT choose to live in this 'hog-pen' with 120 cats, and 3-foot high piles of feces, 12 dead kittens in the freezer, two chickens and a snake.
This case is beyond sad, the neglect and starvation of this child is beyond words. She had no where to turn and no one to save her from this household.

It's unimaginable to think what this child endured at home and at school.

someone, other than the rapist and killer, needs to be held responsible.

cindysue
10-01-2009, 03:58 PM
Im reading it for the first time today, Did her parents receive any kind of punishment, did the stepmonster, I mean stepmother lose her job? In a town that i used to live the parents of a murdered child's house was burned to the ground from outraged people. What has become of these two people that locked and starved a sweet child, im sick thinking people like this exist even. It goes to show you if you work hard enough (to destroy your child) then that is exactly what you will get plus some.

MeoW333
10-01-2009, 04:12 PM
Im reading it for the first time today, Did her parents receive any kind of punishment, did the stepmonster, I mean stepmother lose her job? In a town that i used to live the parents of a murdered child's house was burned to the ground from outraged people. What has become of these two people that locked and starved a sweet child, im sick thinking people like this exist even. It goes to show you if you work hard enough (to destroy your child) then that is exactly what you will get plus some.

I'm glad this little girl isn't being forgotten!
Cindysue, that's a good town to live in that you mention! I hope the town where little Erin lived exacts the same kind or similiar justice on her family!:furious:

arielilane
10-01-2009, 10:27 PM
Guilty verdict in Alan Jones murder trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=354564) - 9/24/2009 3:17:27 PM Alan Jones has been found guily of second degree murder in the death of his stepsister, Erin Maxwell.
Jury begins deliberations in Jones trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=353805) - 9/23/2009 9:49:24 AM UPDATE: The jury has begun deliberating the fate of Alan Jones, the man accused of strangling his stepsister Erin Maxwell last summer.
Defense witness testimony in Alan Jones murder trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=352951) - 9/21/2009 6:12:07 PM The defense is trying to show that it was possible for Erin to have hung herself.
Erin Maxwell's father testifies in Jones trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=352704) - 9/21/2009 11:32:49 AM The third week of the Alan Jones murder trial is underway in Oswego County Court.
Trial of Alan Jones to begin Tuesday (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=347038) - 9/7/2009 12:34:12 PM The trial of an Oswego County man accused of killing his step-sister is set to begin Tuesday.
One year anniversary of Erin Maxwell's death (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=343571) - 8/29/2009 11:36:07 AM The death of Erin Maxwell has touched the community and Sunday night people that didn't even know her will be coming together to remember her.
Maxwells out of jail on lowered bail (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=336823) - 8/13/2009 2:37:08 PM The two were being held after being convicted of child endangerment charges.
Maxwells to appeal conviction (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=335836) - 8/11/2009 4:08:09 PM During Tuesday's bail hearing in Oswego County Court, the Maxwells' attorney revealed five of the arguments upon which an appeal will be based.
Judge grants Maxwells lower bail (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=335556) - 8/11/2009 5:52:34 AM Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell were in Oswego County Court Tuesday morning in an attempt to be released on bail while awaiting sentencing.
What now for the Erin Maxwell house? (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=335304) - 8/10/2009 3:54:19 PM The owner of the home agreed to speak with Action News for the first time.
Guilty verdict in Maxwell trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334761) - 8/8/2009 7:28:25 PM UPDATE: Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell, the father and stepmother of Erin Maxwell, have been found guilty on all four counts of endangering the welfare of a child.
Lindsey Maxwell takes the stand (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334674) - 8/7/2009 11:22:22 PM The father of Erin Maxwell took the stand Friday night in Palermo town court to testify in his own defense.
Lynn Maxwell finishes third night of testimony (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334195) - 8/7/2009 12:22:43 AM Lynn Maxwell's testimony wrapped up Thursday night in Palermo town court.
Lynn Maxwell faces tough cross examination (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=333607) - 8/5/2009 11:48:33 PM The stepmother of young murder victim, Erin Maxwell, takes the stand for a second night, testifying in her own defense.
Lynn Maxwell takes the stand (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=333145) - 8/4/2009 11:24:50 PM The stepmother of young murder victim, Erin Maxwell, tells her side of the story.
Disturbing testimony in the Maxwell trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=331909) - 8/1/2009 4:44:20 PM In Palermo Town Court, jurors heard gripping and disturbing testimony Saturday in the trial of Lynn and Lindsey Maxwell.
Tension outside the courtroom on Friday in the Maxwell trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=331869) - 8/1/2009 9:22:59 AM Tensions ran high Friday night outside Palermo Town Hall where the Maxwell trial continues.


Police investigator testifies in Maxwell trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=331391) - 7/30/2009 11:04:05 PM Investigator Joe Harriger testified for four hours Thursday night about conditions he saw inside the Maxwell home in Palermo.
Opening statements in the Maxwell trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=330894) - 7/29/2009 11:05:23 PM In Wednesday night's opening statements, Defense Attorney Sal Lanza revealed the parents of young murder victim Erin Maxwell would testify.
Jury selection complete in Maxwell trial (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=330377) - 7/28/2009 10:49:57 PM Six jurors and two alternates have been seated in the child endangerment trial of Lynn and Lindsey Maxwell.
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arielilane
10-01-2009, 10:29 PM
Maxwell parents' trial to begin tonight (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=330045) - 7/28/2009 9:37:28 AM A trial is scheduled to begin for a couple whose 11-year-old daughter lived in deplorable conditions before she was slain last summer.
Judge to consider dropping Maxwell charges (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=329655) - 7/27/2009 2:57:58 PM The parents of Erin Maxwell hope to have two of the child endangerment charges against them dropped before they go to trial Tuesday evening.
Judge rejects jury pool complaint in Maxwell case (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=328668) - 7/24/2009 6:24:40 AM The Palermo town justice has denied a motion filed by the attorney for Lynn and Lindsey Maxwell.
Maxwells' lawyer objects to Palermo jury pool (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=327284) - 7/21/2009 4:10:08 PM The lawyer for Lynn and Lindsey Maxwell says the couple will not get a fair jury for their upcoming trial.
Oswego County DSS commissioner presents hiring plan (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=316906) - 6/24/2009 11:17:46 AM The head of the Oswego County Department of Social Services is getting some help to improve the quality of service in her department.

Trial date set in Maxwell murder case (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=312806) - 6/15/2009 10:35:48 AM September 8th has been set as the date of the murder trial of Alan Jones.
Citizens' group wants investigation of Oswego DSS (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=301934) - 5/19/2009 4:40:01 PM 'Oswego For Change' group wants the Attorney General to investigate.
Jones back in court for more Maxwell case hearings (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=298764) - 5/12/2009 11:09:02 AM The Erin Maxwell murder case was back in Oswego County Court, and more information is being released regarding the defense's case.
Lawyers argue over evidence in Maxwell case (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=298515) - 5/11/2009 10:21:23 PM Lawyers in the Erin Maxwell case are arguing over evidence.
Maxwell child endangerment charges stay for now (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=292610) - 4/27/2009 11:03:45 PM The father and stepmother of 11-year-old Erin Maxwell, who was found strangled in her Palermo home last summer, appeared in town court Monday.
Update: No charges dropped against Maxwells (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=292356) - 4/27/2009 1:06:41 PM The defense and prosecution in the Erin Maxwell case discussed dropping four counts of Endangering the Welfare of a Child against Maxwell's parents, but it didn't happen at Monday's court appearance.
Oswego Co. HHS meets with community task force (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=284456) - 4/8/2009 3:52:18 PM The Oswego County Health and Human Services committee held a discussion with the Pulaski Community Task Force Wednesday afternoon.
Report says Oswego Co. did poor job on Maxwell case (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=275132) - 3/18/2009 10:20:02 AM A much anticipated state report on Oswego County’s handling of the Erin Maxwell case was made public Wednesday morning.
Legislature says Lanigan "Won't Be Fired" (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=274106) - 3/16/2009 3:22:19 PM Leemann hopes to get state permission to publicly release the report at a special Wednesday meeting of the Health and Human Services committee.
Maxwells back in town court (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=268264) - 3/3/2009 10:41:06 PM 11-year-old Erin Maxwell's father and step mother make an appearance in Palermo Town Court to see if statements they made to police can be used in a trial.
Oswego Co. evaluation of Fran Lanigan 'satisfactory' (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=261460) - 2/17/2009 4:43:21 PM An update on the investigation into the Social Service Department following Erin Maxwell's death.
Attorney for Erin Maxwell's parents wants charges dropped (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=261178) - 2/17/2009 8:22:18 AM The attorney for Lynn and Lindsey Maxwell has requested that child endangerment charges against the Maxwells be dismissed due to what he claims is a lack of evidence.
Court hears motions in Erin Maxwell murder (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=250190) - 1/22/2009 5:11:48 PM The D.A. tries to stop release of "confidential" information.
Alan Jones appears in county court (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=243037) - 1/6/2009 11:47:51 AM Alan Jones, the stepbrother of Erin Maxwell, was in Oswego County Court Tuesday morning where his attorney made a number of motions in Jones’s murder case.
Court appearance for Erin Maxwell's parents (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=235966) - 12/16/2008 6:58:21 AM Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell, the Palermo couple charged with endangering the welfare of their child Erin, say they are innocent and are ready to take the case against them to trial in order to prove it.

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arielilane
10-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Morning Express for Tuesday 12/16/2008 (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=235924) - 12/16/2008 4:29:23 AM The lawyer for Erin Maxwell's father and stepmother said there is not enough evidence to support charges of endangering the welfare of a child.
Morning Express (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=235336) - 12/15/2008 6:11:53 AM Here's a look at the top stories on Action News this morning.
Alan Jones loses bid for lower bail (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=218886) - 11/7/2008 4:06:47 PM Alan Jones, the Palermo man accused of murdering his 11-year-old stepsister Erin Maxwell, failed in his bid for lower bail Friday.
Morning Express (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=214587) - 10/30/2008 4:20:51 AM Here's a look at the top stories on Action News this morning.
Maxwell bail hearing far from routine (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=204127) - 10/8/2008 4:46:33 PM Normally bail hearings are routine subdued court proceedings, but not in the Erin Maxwell case.
Maxwells, Jones denied lower bail (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=203828) - 10/8/2008 11:39:35 AM An Oswego County court judge today refused a defense request to reduce bail in the case of Erin Maxwell.
A look inside the Maxwell home (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=203543) - 10/7/2008 8:20:09 PM Action News has obtained images from inside the Maxwell home in Palermo.
Neighbors relieved after Maxwell arrests (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=203483) - 10/7/2008 5:53:56 PM Throughout the Erin Maxwell homicide investigation, State Police told the public not to be concerned about any predator on the loose.
Police: 'Today is about Erin Maxwell' (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=203430) - 10/7/2008 4:55:32 PM More than a month after the death of the 11-year-old sent a shockwave through Oswego County, State Police made their arrests.
Action News obtains Maxwell court docs (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=203274) - 10/7/2008 1:34:54 PM Action News has obtained the court documents relating to the arrest of Erin Maxwell’s father and stepmother.
Police hold news conference on Maxwell case (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=203159) - 10/7/2008 11:37:31 AM State police have charged a Central New York man with strangling his 11-year-old stepsister in the family's house, which was filled with garbage and scores of cats
Police arrest Erin Maxwell's family (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=202957) - 10/7/2008 7:28:17 AM State Police held a news conference this morning to explain the arrests in the murder of 11-year-old Erin Maxwell.
Police expand Maxwell DNA search (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=201760) - 10/3/2008 4:45:07 PM A new twist in the case of Erin Maxwell as State Police have apparently expanded their investigation.
Maxwells give DNA samples (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=201533) - 10/3/2008 12:53:31 PM State Police have obtained DNA samples from Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell, the father and stepmother of Erin Maxwell.
Maxwell family news conference (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=198470) - 9/26/2008 5:11:26 PM Even though they're the subjects of several investigations, the family of homicide victim, Erin Maxwell went public Friday. Family attorney Salvatore Lanza read a statement for a full half hour, but refused to answer reporters questions.
Family of Erin Maxwell speaks out (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=198273) - 9/26/2008 10:57:46 AM Erin's death certificate confirms the young girl died from asphyxia with a contributing factor of sexual trauma.
Investigation into Palermo girl's death continues (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=184472) - 9/2/2008 5:00:05 PM State Police are continuing to investigate the death of an Oswego County girl who died from injuries she suffered in her home.


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arielilane
10-01-2009, 10:45 PM
Im reading it for the first time today, Did her parents receive any kind of punishment, did the stepmonster, I mean stepmother lose her job? In a town that i used to live the parents of a murdered child's house was burned to the ground from outraged people. What has become of these two people that locked and starved a sweet child, im sick thinking people like this exist even. It goes to show you if you work hard enough (to destroy your child) then that is exactly what you will get plus some.

Guilty verdict in Maxwell trial

Updated 10:40 PM
By Lisa Spitz (http://www.cnycentral.com/about/bio.aspx?id=591)
Saturday, August 08, 2009 at 8:28 p.m.


PALERMO, OSWEGO COUNTY -- Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell, the father and stepmother of Erin Maxwell, have been found guilty on all four counts of endangering the welfare of a child.
The Palermo Town Court jury handed down its decision at 10:17 on Saturday night after deliberating for about four hours. Both Maxwell parents were led out of the courtroom in handcuffs by New York State Police, and said nothing to the 25 to 30 onlookers who came out to watch the trial on a daily basis. Their bail was raised to $10,000. Defense attorney Sal Lanza admits he was surprised by the final verdict, saying he expected the couple to be found innocent on at least a couple of the charges.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334761

Lanza says sentencing has been scheduled for October 12th in the case. Lanza says he plans to start looking at an appeal, and possibly delay sentencing in the case. The Maxwells can be sentenced up to one year in prison for each one of the four charges they are convicted of. State Law would not allow them to serve more than two years in Oswego County jail because their crimes were misdemeanors.

arielilane
10-05-2009, 10:39 PM
Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell, the father and stepmother of Erin Maxwell, have been found guilty on all four counts of endangering the welfare of a child. Sentencing has been scheduled for October 12th.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334761 (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334761)

arielilane
10-11-2009, 07:55 PM
Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell, the father and stepmother of Erin Maxwell, have been found guilty on all four counts of endangering the welfare of a child. Sentencing has been scheduled for October 12th.

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334761 (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=334761)

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-forum/bump.gif October 12, 2009 is Columbus Day, a Federal holiday. Will sentencing still be scheduled for that day? I don't think so...we will have to wait and see. I have wondered about this since they stated October 12 as the day of sentencing. Courts are closed that day...right?

believe09
10-11-2009, 08:30 PM
One year per count for a maximum of two years. Arent they the lucky ones.

arielilane
10-12-2009, 06:54 AM
One year per count for a maximum of two years. Arent they the lucky ones. :loser:It's outrageous...:furious: a slap on the wrist...no accountability:banghead:

arielilane
10-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Maxwell's to be sentenced tonight (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=361702)
http://www.cnycentral.com/uploadedImages/wstm/News/Stories/LindseyLynnMaxwell.JPG?w=172&h=129&aspect=nostretch (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=361702)
Monday, October 12, 2009 at 6:31 AM
Two parents are scheduled to be sentenced this evening in one of central New York’s most high profile trials. Lindsey and Lynn Maxwell were convicted of http://www.cnycentral.com/includes/images/news/iconFullStory.gif (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=361702) Full Story (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=361702)

http://www.cnycentral.com/

Salem
10-12-2009, 11:28 PM
One year per count for a maximum of two years. Arent they the lucky ones.

Makes me want to choke. I'm quite sure they also knew that AJ was not being nice to Erin. They should have gotten 10 years for "failure to protect." I'd call them swine, but honestly, swine act better than these two POSs.

I could just scream. 2 stinking years. I could do that standing on my head. 2 years goes by so fast....... I hope that their time in the slammer is "hard time". A lot like little Erin experienced.

Salem

believe09
10-13-2009, 10:53 AM
They can do this again. Just move on and do this again to some other child, some other animal as well. After all, I think it is fair to say that they have hoarding issues with animals and that the animals were not well taken care of either. God forbid we revisit what they put their poor murdered child through.

Can the state put something in place to prevent that?

believe09
10-13-2009, 10:56 AM
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=362105

"Prior to sentencing, Lynn Maxwell was asked to respond to people who were calling upon the judge to sentence her to the maximum sentence. "A lot of people would like to see me drop dead. I don't think that's going to happen." Maxwell replied.

Lindsey Maxwell doubted the onlookers were concerned about what happened to Erin. "They just want the circus there." Lindsey Maxwell told reporters, "These people aren't here for Erin, none of them knew her."

believe09
10-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Sorry for all of the back to back posts btw...but I cannot get this story out of my head.

Here is what I learned from this-vigilance and reporting are not enough. If you know a child in conditions like this, you have to be a pain in the a**. You have to never let up, you have to bring clothes to school for her, food and shampoo. You have to give her a place to be outside of the home....this case and Rowan Fords case are such good examples. You cannot rest on the belief that others will take over and do the right thing.

arielilane
10-26-2009, 11:40 PM
Thinking about Erin. I know that she is at peace.

Salem
10-26-2009, 11:55 PM
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=362105

"Prior to sentencing, Lynn Maxwell was asked to respond to people who were calling upon the judge to sentence her to the maximum sentence. "A lot of people would like to see me drop dead. I don't think that's going to happen." Maxwell replied.

Lindsey Maxwell doubted the onlookers were concerned about what happened to Erin. "They just want the circus there." Lindsey Maxwell told reporters, "These people aren't here for Erin, none of them knew her."

What a POS! Too bad the judge didn't give her life. What a POS! I don't even have words for this. It is so sad. I hope a poltergist haunts her and she thinks it is Erin. I don't want Erin to distrub her time with the angels, but I do hope some restless soul will rattle some chains in Maxwell's conscious. Uggggghhhhggghghghghghgh

Salem

arielilane
11-14-2009, 06:24 AM
Alan Jones sentencing postponed
Friday, November 06, 2009 at 9:28 a.m.

OSWEGO -- Sentencing has been delayed for a 29-year-old Central New York man convicted of murdering his 11-year-old stepsister, who lived in filth and was starved by her parents.
Alan Jones of Palermo was found guilty in September of killing Erin Maxwell. His sentencing was postponed Friday until Nov. 16 so a judge can consider a last-minute defense motion to set aside the verdict. Defense attorney Salvatore Lanza says he was approached by jurors in Jones’ trial who believe Jones is innocent. The prosecution requested the delay so that it could review the claims made in the defenses motion.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=373265

arielilane
11-14-2009, 06:24 AM
Jury faulted, Jones sentencing delayed

By Jim Kenyon (http://www.cnycentral.com/about/bio.aspx?id=348)
Friday, November 06, 2009 at 2:12 p.m.

OSWEGO -- Alan Jones never got the chance to stand in front of Judge Walter Hafner Friday. His sentencing for the strangulation murder of 11-year-old Erin Maxwell was delayed because defense attorney Sal Lanza has allegedly uncovered evidence that the jury deliberations were improper.
Neither Lanza nor Oswego County District Attorney Donald Dodd would discuss the motion to throw out Jones conviction. They said Judge Walter Hafner instructed them not to talk about it, and say the Judge will not release the motion papers to the public. Inside the courtroom, Lanza told the judge that jurors "reached out to him" because they felt Jones was not guilty. Lanza said they told him about "what happened inside the jury room" during deliberations. He said a deposition is included in his motion papers.

When pressed by reporters for further details, Lanza said the judge may have to order a hearing on his motion to toss the verdict and "individuals may have to be subpoenaed." Lanza added, "then the judge will rule whether or not sentencing is even going to take place."
Unless Hafner sets aside the verdict on November 16th, Alan Jones faces a sentence of 25 years to life. He was convicted of strangling Maxwell, who died August 30, 2008. Jones told police she accidentally hanged herself.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=373454 (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=373454)

arielilane
11-14-2009, 06:27 AM
Schumer says 'Erin's Law' will help protect kids
Monday, October 26, 2009 at 2:54 p.m.

SYRACUSE (AP) -- A new $50 million federal program proposed by U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer would help smaller and financially struggling communities around the country hire more social workers to help protect children.
Schumer is calling the proposal "Erin's Law" after 11-year-old Erin Maxwell of Palermo.
Erin was starved and neglected by her parents before she was strangled in August 2008 by her 28-year-old stepbrother. Maxwell's parents have been sentenced to two years in jail for child endangerment. Her stepbrother will be sentenced next month to 25 years to life for her murder.
County social workers visited the Maxwell house three times but did not remove her. A subsequent probe suggested the county agency was significantly understaffed in the face of growing caseloads.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=367875

Schumer to introduce Erin's Law (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=367494) - Sunday, October 25, 2009
U.S. Senator Charles Schumer is set to introduce "Erin's Law" to help municipalities investigate allegations of child abuse.

elle1919
11-18-2009, 11:57 AM
Everyone please remember Erin on Sunday, at 12 noon on November 21, 2009. She will have a small playground dedication. Those who can't be there can of course be present in mind and thoughts. May Erin's Law become a success and save the lives of our nations abused and neglected children.

arielilane
11-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Everyone please remember Erin on Sunday, at 12 noon on November 21, 2009. She will have a small playground dedication. Those who can't be there can of course be present in mind and thoughts. May Erin's Law become a success and save the lives of our nations abused and neglected children.
Thank you elle for bringing this to our attention!

arielilane
11-20-2009, 04:47 PM
Everyone please remember Erin on Sunday, at 12 noon on November 21, 2009. She will have a small playground dedication. Those who can't be there can of course be present in mind and thoughts. May Erin's Law become a success and save the lives of our nations abused and neglected children.elle, can you confirm if this is on Saturday the 21st of November or Sunday the 22nd? I could not find anything on it. Thank you in advance.:angel:

arielilane
11-22-2009, 10:06 PM
Palermo, Oswego County (WSYR-TV) - An overnight fire has damaged a home that was at the center of the investigation into the death of Erin Maxwell, and now, investigators are trying to figure out how it started.
The call went out a little after 1 a.m. Saturday at the home on Rt. 264 in Palermo.

The home was at the center of the Maxwell case for filthy conditions inside, where Erin lived in squalor. It's also the home where Erin was found hanging from a string attached to a nail in a window.
There were no reports of injury at the scene.

On the same day that Erin's home caught fire, a playground was built in her honor.
A zip line and park bench was dedicated to her on Saturday.
Josh Russo put together the play set at the Palermo town park as part of a Boy Scout project.
He said he didn't know Erin, but what he heard was enough for him to do something about it.
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Fire-damages-home-where-Erin-Maxwell-lived/SwGE-AnNnk-HlN7Ll6jOFg.cspx

Sheromom
11-23-2009, 03:21 AM
Palermo, Oswego County (WSYR-TV) - An overnight fire has damaged a home that was at the center of the investigation into the death of Erin Maxwell, and now, investigators are trying to figure out how it started.
The call went out a little after 1 a.m. Saturday at the home on Rt. 264 in Palermo.

The home was at the center of the Maxwell case for filthy conditions inside, where Erin lived in squalor. It's also the home where Erin was found hanging from a string attached to a nail in a window.
There were no reports of injury at the scene.

On the same day that Erin's home caught fire, a playground was built in her honor.
A zip line and park bench was dedicated to her on Saturday.
Josh Russo put together the play set at the Palermo town park as part of a Boy Scout project.
He said he didn't know Erin, but what he heard was enough for him to do something about it.
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Fire-damages-home-where-Erin-Maxwell-lived/SwGE-AnNnk-HlN7Ll6jOFg.cspx

This is just too sad. God Bless our children and save them from all forms of evil adults!!! I was SO bonded to each of mine (4) before they were even born. I had their names and knew their sex (correctly and before ultrasound) every time. I just cannot understand cases like this. I sometimes worry that compassion and love are being bred OUT of the human race!

SunnieRN
11-28-2009, 06:10 PM
This is one of the most disturbing and shocking cases I have ever heard of. What kind of torture this child must have been subject to time and again. How could her "father" let her be subjected to this kind of treatment. This had to be perpetuated mostly by him, since he is the "househusband".

This poor child. Afraid to be honest with teachers, social workers or extended family. My God. Poor dear girl, have a wonderful time TWA!!

pennydawn
12-03-2009, 06:02 PM
I agree with Sunnie. It's obvious this child was afraid to tell the truth. Whether she was coached on what to say if ever she was approached remains to be seen. But why would she state she had 6 or 7 cats, when asked about pets? Is it 6? or 7? or 118? The caseworkers had ample opportunity to delve beneath the surface.

Also, the locks on the bedroom doors is puzzling. According to the father, it was to keep the cats out of her room, but she could escape to the dogs' room, in case of emergency. Later, LE stated the door to the dogs' room was padlocked. According to the mother, OTOH, the locks were placed on Erin's doors to keep her from getting into cleaning supplies. Hmmm...did it appear that there were ANY cleaning supplies at the home? Not from what I've read. And we're not talking about a 2-year-old, here. I had ample access to cleaning supplies at age 6, when I started cleaning my room and the family bathroom. I think an 11-year-old--even a whimsical one with a penchant for hoarding--would be just fine to handle cleanser. If the parents thought perhaps Erin might ingest the alleged cleaning products, as a way of intentionally harming herself, maybe there was due reason, which I'll address in a minute.

WHY DON'T THE PARENTS AGREE ON THIS SIMPLE DETAIL REGARDING THE DOOR LOCKS? Much like the number of cats...was it 6 or 7?...if someone's telling the truth, there's no discrepancy.

The other aspect of this case that repeatedly gnaws at me is the obvious sexual abuse. Someone obviously assaulted this baby (bruised and abrased vagina, cervix, and anus), and LE stated the murder was more important. I read somewhere (anyone else recall this?) that Jones' DNA did not match that which was found on Erin's body. Which means someone out there is getting away with rape! This enrages me.

I've looked for proof that the case is continually being investigated, but I can't find much of anything. Has anyone heard the latest? Maybe I'm missing something.

believe09
12-03-2009, 06:56 PM
I agree with Sunnie. It's obvious this child was afraid to tell the truth. Whether she was coached on what to say if ever she was approached remains to be seen. But why would she state she had 6 or 7 cats, when asked about pets? Is it 6? or 7? or 118? The caseworkers had ample opportunity to delve beneath the surface.

Also, the locks on the bedroom doors is puzzling. According to the father, it was to keep the cats out of her room, but she could escape to the dogs' room, in case of emergency. Later, LE stated the door to the dogs' room was padlocked. According to the mother, OTOH, the locks were placed on Erin's doors to keep her from getting into cleaning supplies. Hmmm...did it appear that there were ANY cleaning supplies at the home? Not from what I've read. And we're not talking about a 2-year-old, here. I had ample access to cleaning supplies at age 6, when I started cleaning my room and the family bathroom. I think an 11-year-old--even a whimsical one with a penchant for hoarding--would be just fine to handle cleanser. If the parents thought perhaps Erin might ingest the alleged cleaning products, as a way of intentionally harming herself, maybe there was due reason, which I'll address in a minute.

WHY DON'T THE PARENTS AGREE ON THIS SIMPLE DETAIL REGARDING THE DOOR LOCKS? Much like the number of cats...was it 6 or 7?...if someone's telling the truth, there's no discrepancy.

The other aspect of this case that repeatedly gnaws at me is the obvious sexual abuse. Someone obviously assaulted this baby (bruised and abrased vagina, cervix, and anus), and LE stated the murder was more important. I read somewhere (anyone else recall this?) that Jones' DNA did not match that which was found on Erin's body. Which means someone out there is getting away with rape! This enrages me.

I've looked for proof that the case is continually being investigated, but I can't find much of anything. Has anyone heard the latest? Maybe I'm missing something.

There is really not too much more to add to your post, unless it is to hope that DNA was taken from all of the adults living in the home to compare to this child's battered body. I guess if there was still no match, then I am sure LE is looking at the stepbrother's friends. Tough to get a warrant for DNA based on a guess....I wish justice was well rounded-I wish in this case all who participated in this were adequately punished. And I am not even sure what that means.

Belinda
07-20-2010, 06:25 AM
Published: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:55 AM
Updated: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 AM

Oswego, NY -- Alan Jones was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison today in Oswego County Court after being convicted of murdering his 11-year-old stepsister, Erin Maxwell.

Judge Walter Hafner Jr. denied a motion by Jones' defense lawyer, Salvatore Lanza, to set aside a guilty verdict delivered by a 12-man jury.

snip

Hafner denied Lanza's motion, saying all of the issues raised by the defense lawyer were ones to be addressed on appeal. Lanza said he would file an appeal today.

Before he was sentenced, Jones told Hafner, "I'm not a threat to anyone." He also said he would never cause injuries to anyone and that he is confident his conviction would be overturned on appeal.

snip

Lindsey Maxwell and his wife, Lynn Maxwell, are serving two years in the Oswego County jail after being found guilty in Palermo Town Court of four counts of endangering the welfare of a child stemming from Erin being locked in her room on two occasions and the deplorable conditions Erin lived in at her Palermo home on two occasions.

More at link:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/alan_jones_sentenced_to_25_yea.html


Alan L. Jones

Jury Trial - Guilty
Location: Clinton
Sentence Date: 11/19/2009

Offense: 2nd Degree Murder
Sentence: 25 years - Life

Parole Eligibility Date: 10/05/2033

ETA: I have not yet located any appeal information.

Belinda
07-20-2010, 06:30 AM
04/09/2010 05:32 PM

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- A Syracuse attorney will be filing an appeal in the Alan Jones murder case. Jones was convicted of killing his 11-year-old stepsister, Erin Maxwell.

John A. Cirando will be handling the appeal. He tells YNN he has not yet received the transcripts from the trial yet, so a timetable as for when the appeal will be filed is unknown. Cirando says the Supreme Court Appellate Division Fourth Department in Rochester assigned him to the appeal

http://elmira-corning.ynn.com/content/all_news/central_new_york/501278/syracuse-attorney-assigned-to-alan-jones-appeal/

LadyL
07-25-2010, 12:03 AM
Thanks for the update Belinda. IMO the 'parents' (and I use that term loosely) should've been up on more serious charges.

RIP Erin.

Filly
07-25-2010, 12:35 AM
Thanks button not enough, Belinda.

This case I believe hit me the hardest here. I don't even like to think about it.

Here's a picture of Erin with her biological mom. Happy, pretty girl. Then she got sent back to them.


http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2008/11/1112eringrad.JPG

JLMcKenna83
01-24-2011, 04:10 PM
Erin Maxwell's father, stepmother released from jail (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/01/erin_maxwell_father_stepmother.html)

Oswego, NY -- Lynn and Lindsey Maxwell have been released today from the Oswego County jail after serving their time for endangering the welfare of their daughter, Erin.


I can't even begin to explain my disgust with these two and their pathetic sentences.

SunnieRN
08-30-2011, 05:17 PM
Erin Maxwell's father, stepmother released from jail (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/01/erin_maxwell_father_stepmother.html)




I can't even begin to explain my disgust with these two and their pathetic sentences.

It really speaks of the lack of importance our laws place on our children. The fact that these two have been released, despite the statements they made, admitting to locking up this sweet child, abusing her emotionally and physically, is a slap in the face of justice. Their sentence should run as long as Erin's, intil their death.