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joellegirl
04-09-2004, 12:52 PM
Hi, instead of starting a bunch of new threads I thought I'd make a list of several cold cases that haunt me. I've included links-which I hope work. I also hope when I submit this it looks neat and not all jumbled. Here goes:

Eveyln Hartley-teenager vansihed while babysitting in 1953. I've heard this story since I was a child, as my father was growing up in La Crosse, WI when this happened.

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2003/10/24/news.03h

Indiana Dunes Mystery-Three young women vanish in 1966.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/6865/mystery.html


Trenny Lynn Gibson-vanished while on a field trip in the Great Smoky Mountains.

http://doenetwork.bravepages.com/425dftn.html

Sheila and Katherine Lyon-sisters missing since 1975

http//www.nealjconway.com/essays/whyweliketobe/lyonsisters.html

Janice Pockett-missing since 1973

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/pockett.html

Madeline Babcock-she wasn't a child-she was 35 when she vanished. Her sister is stil searching for her.

http://members.fortunecity.com/maggyw/

Suzanne Lyall-college student missing since 1998.

http://www.global2000.net/suzy/


There are more but this will do for now. I hope these links come out-please forgive me if they don't!

What are your thoughts on these cases, and what cases haunt you?

joellegirl
04-09-2004, 01:06 PM
I'l try posting the links that didn't work:

Evelyn Hartley--

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2003/10/24/news/03h

Sheila and Katherine Lyon--

http://www.nealjconway.com/essays/whyweliketobe/lyonsisters.html

I apologize if these do not work.

joellegirl
04-09-2004, 01:16 PM
Ok, one last try for Evelyn Hartley--

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2003/10/24/news/03hartley.bd

MysteryMomma
04-09-2004, 02:15 PM
I can't find a link....it was a Dublin, CA girl, Eileen Mishaloff, I think I spelled her name wrong. She was an ice skater, she was walking I think home to or from the rink and she was never scene again. I was working in Dublin when this happened I can't even remember the year. I looked on www.missingkids.com and I couldn't find her missing poster. I think she was later thought to be a runaway and no one ever mentioned her again. She didn't take any of her stuff with her and she gave me the feeling that she wasn't a runaway................Does anyone else remember her? I still think about her.

MysteryMomma
04-09-2004, 03:51 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=719556&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

I hope that link works....It was bugging me. Ilene's poster....from 1989

MysteryMomma
04-09-2004, 03:58 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=767759&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Amber Garcia also went missing in the late 80's. I think these cases have stuck with me cuz they all happened relatively close together and they were never solved. There was a boy who was kidnapped during this time also, I think they found his body.....I may be wrong....I remember his father working to change the law's regarding child killers and things like that.

MysteryMomma
04-09-2004, 05:14 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=600782&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Kevin Collins....was the boy I was thinking of. The poster says he is still missing. I thought they found him. Gosh he would be 30 yrs old now. This is another case from Northern CA.

blueclouds
04-09-2004, 09:26 PM
Here's some further links to the 3 missing Indiana women

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/bruhl.html
http://doenetwork.bravepages.com/384dfin.html



"MERRIVILE, INDIANA: On July 2nd, 1966. Patty Blough (l9), Renee Bruhl (l9). and Ann Miller (21)- all from Illinois vanished from The Indiana Dunes State Park 36 years ago. With more than a l,000 pages of notes since their disappearance, police are not one step closer to the answer that 3 decades ago. Recently the case has been reviewed by a COLD CASE SQUAD, and there just isn't anything new or anywhere to start. The three very attractive and outgoing women were on a weekend get-a-away at the popular northern Indiana resort area, bikini clad & soaked in baby oil- what started out as a day in the sun, somehow became a plot-line out of a horror movie, but almost like the infamous Phantom killer in texarkana, texas in the early 40's, the killer eluded the police altogether, and still has investigative experts scratching their collective heads. It's not the Zodiac, or D.B. COOPER, even kansas city's infamous BTK (bind, torture, kill) strangler of the 1970's- But here's what can be said about this case after 36 years: S Y P N O S I S/ The three women vanished off the face of the earth, leaving behind their clothes, a car, a blanket, purses, and $60.00 cash. This was July 2, 1966/ A tanned man, with wavy hair was driving the boat that some witnesses (which have since deceased) say the women boarded. It has been rumored the man was, an abortion doctor, or friend. In the mid-1990's, investigators checked a possible lead involving a federal probe of the horse industry, which the 1977 murder of Brach candy's heiress Helen Vorhees Brach was solved eight years ago. The young women were also linked to the George Jaynes Stables, but the investigators did not provide new leads into their disappearances. Since then, there's been no leads and the story has faded from the public view. A one time photographer, for the Post-tribune, Dick Wylie- grew up in the area and was in the northwest Indiana bureau of the Sun-Times- working as both reporter and photographer when the three women disappeared. The mystery serves as a chapter in his yet unpublished book "Life & Death Through the Lens." He believes the women were coerced into white slavery or kidnapping, but over the years, he has changed his opinion to an abortion that went wrong, and the illegal surgery had to be covered-up by murdering the other two witnesses. Hope flared in 1975, when police recieved a call and tip that the three bodies were buried in the dunes. The bones turned out to be remains of Indians...................." Partial story from Myusm.com

blueclouds
04-09-2004, 09:28 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=767759&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Amber Garcia also went missing in the late 80's. I think these cases have stuck with me cuz they all happened relatively close together and they were never solved. There was a boy who was kidnapped during this time also, I think they found his body.....I may be wrong....I remember his father working to change the law's regarding child killers and things like that.


Sad thing about Amber is that her dad (police officer) was killed sometime prior to her disappearance.

joellegirl
04-09-2004, 10:46 PM
Here is another link about the Evelyn Hartley case that includes her picture. The text isn't easy to read as it is a picture of a old newspaper article. I can't seem to find a link that details her disappearance but will keep looking. There is a very detailed description in the book "Getting Away With Murder" by Ed Baumann and John O'Brien. I just wanted to mention that there were definite signs of four play as her glasses were on the livingroom floor, one of her shoes was in the basement, and the basement window was open, with blood splashed about, and a blood trail to the street. She was abducted within a half hour of starting her babysitting job, and the 18 month old girl she was watching was luckily unharmed.

Here is the link with her picture--

http://lplcat.lacrosse.lib.wi.us/digitalproject/images/hartley/00060006.jpg

joellegirl
04-10-2004, 12:53 AM
Oh my, I had a major typo in my last thread. I meant "foul" play, not four play. I am so sorry..

Cypros
04-11-2004, 11:35 AM
The case that always pops into my mind when I hear about a child disappearing while camping or hiking is the case of little Laura Bradbury (3 years old) who disappeared fom her family's campsite in Joshua Tree National Park (near Palm Springs, CA) in 1984. There was a big search and I remember daily updates in the news for quite some time. I have a vague memory that then child actor, Rick Schroeder, made some public pleas for her safe return. She was a distant relative of his.

I did a web search to try to find information about this case and only found some references which say that she was never found and is believed to have been abducted. I am surprised that her family doesn't have a website for her and that she is not on the official missing children sites (as far as I could find).

Anybody remember this case?

kylie
04-11-2004, 02:25 PM
The case that always pops into my mind when I hear about a child disappearing while camping or hiking is the case of little Laura Bradbury (3 years old) who disappeared fom her family's campsite in Joshua Tree National Park (near Pal Springs, CA) in 1984. There was a big search and I remember daily updates in the news for quite some time. I have a vague memory that then child actor, Rick Schroeder, made some public please for her safe return. She was a distant relative of his.

I did a web search to try to find information about this case and only found some references which say that she was never found and is believed to have been abducted. I am surprised that her faily doesn't have a website for her and that she is not on the official missing children sites (as far as I could find).

Anybody remember this case?

Cypros, I remember. That was so sad. Don't you have to pay to get into Joshua Tree. I'm surprised they couldn't track the people at the park that day.
That is so tragic. I'm really glad I don't have kids, just for this reason.

Cypros
04-11-2004, 02:49 PM
Cypros, I remember. That was so sad. Don't you have to pay to get into Joshua Tree. I'm surprised they couldn't track the people at the park that day.

You do have to pay, but it is not like the park is fenced or walled in. Anybody could hike in from the surrounding desert, I suppose. I'm sure they checked out all of the official visitors at that time.
I couldn't find anything that explained why they determined this was an abduction as opposed to a case of the child wandering off an getting lost or being dragged off by a wild animal. Was there evidence for an abduction?
All of these cases are terribly sad. I can't imagine a loved one, especially a child, just disappearing.

MysteryMomma
04-12-2004, 04:56 PM
What struck me about all these old cases is when you look at missingkids.com there are hundreds of kids from my state that I have never heard of. I'm a news junkie CNN, Fox, local news is always on in my house even when I worked on listened to news radio. Why do only a few get air time? This is what bugs me about Audrey, the college student. She really got soooo much air time and little kids that are helpless hardly get any.

I know some are runaways, some are parental abductions, but a lot of these kids are just gone....Where are the children? I know life isn't fair.

little1
04-12-2004, 06:04 PM
Isn't it sad how many people go missing and are never eard from again? No trace is ever found? That must be hell for their families......

I think the NCMEC estimates something like 500,000 children go missing a year......

joellegirl
04-13-2004, 01:46 AM
It bothers me too how some people just simply vanish and are never found. One of the links I posted was about Trenny Gibson, who vanished on a school field trip in 1976. She was walking ahead of her classmates on the trail, was out of sight for an instant, and vanished. She was one of three people who simply vanished into thin air at the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. In the late 1960's little boy was with his family, playing hide and go seek with some other children, went behind a bush and was gone. The third case was a middle aged woman who was walking ahead of her two friends on a trial, went over a hill and vanished.

I think how many of these children vansihed doing things I did all the time as a child-riding my bike around the block, walking home from the store, playing in my own yard. I am so paranoid with my children, knowing how quick something can happen.

My heart breaks for all these families. I often wonder things like, how long did they keep their children's rooms as they were, did they keep all their toys, clothes etc. I would guess some never change a thing and some come to a point where they feel the need for closure even though they still don't know what really happened. It just makes me so sad. I came across a story about the missing Lyon sisters from Maryland (29 years now), where their parents, two brothers (and their families) a few years ago had a tombstone put in their local cemetery with the girls birthdates and missing dates. They visit it weekly.It is just so sad that they, like so many other parents of missing children, will probably never know what happened to their daughters.

I, too wish these cold cases would get some media again. Of the missing persons I mentioned in my first post, I have never seen their story on any show like Unsolved Mysteries, Cold Case Files and the like. It is wierd to think many of these "children" I mentioned wpould be in their forties and older now, but they are forever frozen in time at the age they vansihed.

Thanks to all of you who have posted and shared more links. Hopefully we will see the cases that haunt us solved one day.

Anyone else have more cases to share?

GingerFitz
04-20-2004, 03:07 AM
Amanda Campbell (http://www.vca.org/missing/child_posters/a_e/campbelln.htm)

Michaela Garecht (http://www.vca.org/missing/child_posters/f_h/garecht.htm)

Here's the posters of two girls who disappeared around the same time as Ilene Misheloll. I used to live in the same small town that Amanda was abducted from

~Ginger

VespaElf
04-20-2004, 02:18 PM
A few years ago there was a little girl missing in the Mid-West(she was 3-5 years old ,blonde hair,blue eyes).
Her last name was Beers(?) and soon after some (horryifying)child pornography photos had surfaced of a little girl who looked EXACTLY like her.................DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER INFO ON THIS CASE???

It's another one of those "haunting" cases I learned about on America's Most Wanted.

osme
04-22-2004, 05:30 PM
The only crime victim I have heard of named Beers was Katie Beers. She was held in
an underground bunker by someone named Esposito in Bay Shore, Long Island for 17 days before she was freed. She turned 10 on the second day of her captivity.

Diane

MysteryMomma
04-23-2004, 11:54 AM
Amanda Campbell (http://www.vca.org/missing/child_posters/a_e/campbelln.htm)

Michaela Garecht (http://www.vca.org/missing/child_posters/f_h/garecht.htm)

Here's the posters of two girls who disappeared around the same time as Ilene Misheloll. I used to live in the same small town that Amanda was abducted from

~Ginger

Ginger I remember both of these cases. There were so many missing kids in No. CA during the late eighties that were never found. I have often wondered if the girls were all taken by the same person.

October
04-23-2004, 08:06 PM
The little girl's name was Brittney Beers. Here's a link to her case:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/bbeers.html

smile22
05-01-2004, 06:42 PM
some of these cases hount me as well the one on janice hits home to me im 22 so when she was born my parents were in school when she disapeard my parents just started college, the thing that links us is we are both from the state of connecticut i did some research on her and dead ends i cant even look at her pic for some reason i get goose bumps, she was linked to another case of a mising lowel mass boy andrew or andy puglise i think thats how u spell his last name he went mising a few years later shes from tolland its about an hr from where i live 20 miles from where andy lived in mass he went missing at the local pool he never came home he was epileptic, the suspected child molester charles peierce i think that was his first name he confessed while in jail for the murder of another girl that he killed a young girl and boy in that area in the late 50s early 60s thing is they went missing in the 70's, but he was out of it from tuberculosis and cancer but he brought them to a sight where he burried them but no bodies or anything was found to suspect someone was burried their, all the info on andy and some on janice can be found at haveyouseenandy.com his childhood friend melanie created the site, she was the last person to see him at the pool she left early and he wasnt ready to leave she said she felt something strange inside her so she asked to be walked home so his older or her brother walked her home i also was just reading about the girls from md who went missing from the mall how sad

Pepper
05-02-2004, 01:07 PM
Mason City Iowa TV anchorwoman Jodi Huisentruit disappeared in 1995. Her remains have never been found. What happened to her?

http://showcase.netins.net/web/keithh/missing.htm

http://showcase.netins.net/web/keithh/missing2.htm

smile22
05-11-2004, 12:21 PM
what do u think im doing some cold cases janice pockett and connie smith connie smith went missing also in ct in a camp called camp slone it was a ymca camp for a few weeks in the summer the camp is still running she went missing at the age of 10 in 1952 i belive, do you think its wrong to send out letters and copy of the flyer of when these people went missing to residents of the town someone might remeber something that could have been so trivial and stupid but can link another peice of the puzzle, i was thinking if i could get enugh poeple to help me we could eventualy do more cold cases, between 1950-the80s when computers werent around and stuff 80s we had more advances but in the 50s and 60s it was hard what do u think?

Dugie
05-14-2004, 06:09 AM
This is my first post.

I found a possible answer to the Indiana State Dunes mystery. The below link is to a web site that outlines the arrest of two men, Kenneth Hansen and Silas Jayne, in connection with crimes involving horses/owners.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/761/IL/US/1/print

Apparently, they came into contact with Blough and Miller at the stable where the two young women kept their horses. This site mentions the Blough, Bruhl, and Miller specifically as being likely vicitims of the men.

Lovin' this website!

SoonerMom
05-16-2004, 11:37 PM
Here is the one case that I will never forget as it happened the week after I was in Tahoe.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dugard.html

gardenmom
05-17-2004, 01:56 AM
This is my first post.

I found a possible answer to the Indiana State Dunes mystery. The below link is to a web site that outlines the arrest of two men, Kenneth Hansen and Silas Jayne, in connection with crimes involving horses/owners.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/761/IL/US/1/print

Apparently, they came into contact with Blough and Miller at the stable where the two young women kept their horses. This site mentions the Blough, Bruhl, and Miller specifically as being likely vicitims of the men.

Lovin' this website!

Interesting, these were some bad people. Too bad they couldn't tie them for sure to the murders of the three girls. I also wonder why they didn't dig up Jaynes backyard for the girls since he claimed three bodies were buried there.

VespaElf
05-18-2004, 06:32 PM
The little girl's name was Brittney Beers. Here's a link to her case:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/bbeers.html


OMG! Her story is worse than I imagined! BEFORE being abducted she had been molested/abused by her Father,her Uncle AND her Mother's boyfriend????? : (


............I can't help but wonder if they were looked at? After all they were all under investigation when she went missing??? OR were they all aware of what they were each doing to her ? Were they some sort of pedo "group"??
Did they set up her abduction??? After all how do we know its NOT her in the found pictures?


SOOOOOOOOOOOO much WRONG in the case IMO not only just the abduction!

kimmpp
05-25-2004, 07:27 PM
Hello I am a relative of Janice Pockett would be very interested in hearing what you think,,,,kimmpp@hotmail.com

CaliKid
06-07-2004, 12:22 AM
The case that always pops into my mind when I hear about a child disappearing while camping or hiking is the case of little Laura Bradbury (3 years old) who disappeared fom her family's campsite in Joshua Tree National Park (near Palm Springs, CA) in 1984. Anybody remember this case?

If memory serves me right, Laura's remains were found 2-3 years after she disappeared either in the park itself or not far from it. I don't remember if a cause of death was listed or someone was involved in her disappearance.

Azlaw
06-23-2004, 06:39 PM
This is my first post.

I found a possible answer to the Indiana State Dunes mystery. The below link is to a web site that outlines the arrest of two men, Kenneth Hansen and Silas Jayne, in connection with crimes involving horses/owners.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/761/IL/US/1/print

Apparently, they came into contact with Blough and Miller at the stable where the two young women kept their horses. This site mentions the Blough, Bruhl, and Miller specifically as being likely vicitims of the men.

Lovin' this website!

You're right. Ken and Si were responsible for the deaths of these girls. They rode at Si's brother's barn and witnessed Ken's brother planting a bomb on Si's brother's car. (Si eventually succeeded in killing his brother years later). An assistant trainer, a young woman named Cherie, was asked to bring the car around to the front. The car exploded and she was killed. The three girls were witnesses, so Si had Ken kill them. Ken used his boat (which matched the description given by eyewitnesses) and then burned it. (he also collected insurance for the 'accident' to his boat).

The real mystery is where did Si's nephew, Frank Jayne Jr., put the body of Brach candy heiress Helen Brach. There have been books and movies about Helen Brach, but no one has ever found her body. Jayne's accomplice, Richard Bailey is in prison for life for his involvement in her murder.

mic730
06-28-2004, 05:12 PM
Hi, instead of starting a bunch of new threads I thought I'd make a list of several cold cases that haunt me. I've included links-which I hope work. I also hope when I submit this it looks neat and not all jumbled. Here goes:

Eveyln Hartley-teenager vansihed while babysitting in 1953. I've heard this story since I was a child, as my father was growing up in La Crosse, WI when this happened.

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2003/10/24/news.03h

Indiana Dunes Mystery-Three young women vanish in 1966.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/6865/mystery.html


Trenny Lynn Gibson-vanished while on a field trip in the Great Smoky Mountains.

http://doenetwork.bravepages.com/425dftn.html

Sheila and Katherine Lyon-sisters missing since 1975

http//www.nealjconway.com/essays/whyweliketobe/lyonsisters.html

Janice Pockett-missing since 1973

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/pockett.html

Madeline Babcock-she wasn't a child-she was 35 when she vanished. Her sister is stil searching for her.

http://members.fortunecity.com/maggyw/

Suzanne Lyall-college student missing since 1998.

http://www.global2000.net/suzy/


There are more but this will do for now. I hope these links come out-please forgive me if they don't!

What are your thoughts on these cases, and what cases haunt you?
Those are haunting cases - thanks for posting.

I live close to the area where Jennifer Short and her family were murdred.
Does not seem they are any closer to an arrest than the first day it happened.
Wonder if the parents were the target or she was.
Here is a link:
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story139268.html

Michelle

mic730
06-28-2004, 05:19 PM
Hello I am a relative of Janice Pockett would be very interested in hearing what you think,,,,kimmpp@hotmail.com
First - sorry for your loss. You and your family have suffered a tragedy.
When reading the link it was sad to read that there were 2 pedophiles as suspects - children are prey and this reminds me of that lesson.

What jumped out to me was that she was classified a runaway at 8 years old.
Was there any reason for that classification or was it just the times before the awareness of child vicitms? Did that impeded a search at the time?

I hope that you get some answers someday soon.
Michelle

kimmpp
06-28-2004, 09:51 PM
Funny thing about it was that I remember that she always had tictacs with her,,,my sister and Janice werre very close,,,would love to find closure need to know more but do not know where to look or what to do,,,very new at this if anyone can help please let me know

joellegirl
06-29-2004, 06:15 PM
Funny thing about it was that I remember that she always had tictacs with her,,,my sister and Janice werre very close,,,would love to find closure need to know more but do not know where to look or what to do,,,very new at this if anyone can help please let me know
I really feel for you and your family, having had such a tragedy happen and having no closure. I guess the main thing is to keep Janice's story in the media. She is on several missing persons websites which is good. Perhaps create a personal website about her and her abduction? Though I realize that may be emotionally hard to do. Maybe have someone sketch a picture of what she may look like now.

Janice's case haunts many of us here and we really want to see it solved, and I think many of us would like to hear more tibits about Janice, like the tic tac story. It is nice to hear little things about her, to know more what she was like. Please share more with us if you are able to and want to. Bless you and your family and lets hope modern science and interest in her case can soon solve it.

amandab
07-01-2004, 12:30 PM
OMG! Her story is worse than I imagined! BEFORE being abducted she had been molested/abused by her Father,her Uncle AND her Mother's boyfriend????? : (


............I can't help but wonder if they were looked at? After all they were all under investigation when she went missing??? OR were they all aware of what they were each doing to her ? Were they some sort of pedo "group"??
Did they set up her abduction??? After all how do we know its NOT her in the found pictures?


SOOOOOOOOOOOO much WRONG in the case IMO not only just the abduction!

OMG, my daughter looks SO MUCH like Brittney, it gives me chills.......

VespaElf
07-01-2004, 04:04 PM
OMG, my daughter looks SO MUCH like Brittney, it gives me chills.......


My daughter too............its really haunting isnt it???

amandab
07-01-2004, 04:44 PM
My daughter too............its really haunting isnt it???

It seems like the only thing that's different is the cold, sad look that Brittney has in her eyes.....that poor little girl..... :-(

kylie
07-04-2004, 02:35 AM
As far as the Evelyn Hartley case, did they save the blood-stained jacket and shoes? Can they do some DNA testing on them? It would be interesting to know.

smile22
07-05-2004, 11:36 AM
i have a friend who has the gift of sight well he did at one point and i remember one day over breakfast telling him about the doenetwork, and websleuths, and finding info on this missing girl i gave him little details i was like she was 8 went bike riding never found, he goes she has blond hair right gap 2 front teeth, she had on shorts and a shirt, i was like omg,hes like whats her name i go janice pockett, he goes shes close by im like what do u mean? he says she was from around here i go yeah tolland 45 minns away he goes omg. so when i get home i send him a link to her picture and hes on the phone with me going omg omg that was her it was freeky, well im writing back and forth with someone who does writing for cold cases in ct and have recived intresting information that was in the hartford courrant about other girls missing after she went missing, and were trying to find a link between janice and the other missing girls, also peirce and bar-jones the people listed that may be involved dont really look like they are. at one point i thought peirce was involved cuz of his confession but i think he was just saying it, and the other girls who went missing after her a few years later the towns were relitvely close, and peirce was in mass at the time and i think already in prison for some murder he commited, also it was brought to my attention the guy who killed molly bish would have been around the time janice went missing so im trying to find out if he was in ct at the time, talked to my friend who said he thinks its a guy whos in dc commited alot of child crimes but is not doing it anymore meaning got help, from someone to stop the killings, does anyone know of anyone in the dc area that commited lots of crimes but was suspected but then never charged? or vis versa

dont think im crazy about the visons and stuff if anyone isnt crazy let me know

kitty
07-08-2004, 11:55 AM
One of the cases that has stuck with me for a long time, even though it happened before I was born, is that of Marjorie "Christy" Luna. It may have something to do with the fact that she lived not even ten minutes from me. I can't find anything new on her case; I can't even find another picture of her. :(

Here is a link to her case:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/luna.html

They interviewed her mom on the news last year or so, and it's been 20 years since her daughter disappeared. I can't imagine what that must be like for her. It's something you never forget.


Another case that has stuck with me is Andrea Parsons. I remember when this happened. It was all over the news. I remember the pictures and the descriptions of her, I remember the searches, I remember the suspects.

Here is a link to her case:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/aparsons.html

smile22
07-10-2004, 06:11 PM
was janice cassified as a runaway or a nonfamily abduction. also today on tv i was watching about the adam walsh story john walshes late son who was kidnaped and killed how sad and how back then they didnt do much for children who were missing, scarry, we need to keep these children in our memorie, i know im gona be lighting a candle for every anniversery of some of the missing janice, andy puglies, the lyons sisters, rachel cooke, evelyn hartly, connie smith, jacob wetterling, jason jarkowski, if u are intrested in starting a prayer circle for them let me know

smile22
07-16-2004, 04:17 PM
you know how through the jason jarkowski foundation thing that they have the buttons for the missing such as murra murray rachael cooke and others, well what about pins for older cases. i know like a 20 year old case might not be important to most people. but, what if your taken a walk and u have the pin on u and someone goes omg i remeber that case i lived in the town such and such and starts talking to u about stuff, and then they start to remeber and some new leads pop up, if anyone thinks its a good idea let me know i thinking pins on evelen hartley, the lyon sisters, janice pockett, andy puglies. indiana dunes girls and any other cold cold cases. or they could even be a reminder to poeple that these are the missing still who have yet to be found, the reason i got involved in missing persons and cold cases were the young children and adults missing for years with no clues, as to where they are

SoccerMom
07-24-2004, 08:28 PM
This is only my second post on this forum, so I'm still a "newbie." This case has always stayed in the back of my mind, partly because my Mom was in the area at the time of Christy's discovery, and partly because of another death in our area that occured around the same time. (solved but the killer is still fighting to get free) On the day that Christy's body was found, the police were diverting traffic so that they could bring the body out and not be interrupted. My Mom ended up having to wait (in her car) on the side of the road facing Christy's house. At that time, a man in a dark sedan was parked next to her. Mom considers herself to be a little psychic, and she said she got an overwhelming aura of anger from this man as he stared at Christy's house. In her head she kept hearing "good, the ***** is dead" over and over again. Then the man pulled out of his spot and went in the opposite direction. She swears it was the killer, and still gets freaked out about it. Everything I've ever heard about Christy is that she was sweet and kind, never a "*****." I got this story from another site, so I hope it works.




A mother's dying wish
By Barbara Hough Roda
Dec 14, 2002, 18:53 EST
Lancaster Sunday News


Knowing she might not live to see the 10th anniversary of her daughter's unsolved killing, Gerry Mirack asked for an interview to tell her story of the pain of losing her "Chrissy' and her fear that justice will never be done.

Gerry Mirack was sick and weary when she got word to the Sunday News this summer that she wanted to talk.
Battling cancer, grief and the clock, she feared that she would die before the 10th anniversary of her daughter's unsolved murder. Mrs. Mirack wanted to leave this life knowing that she would have a say in a December article about her middle child, about the devastating loss to her family, about frustration with a murder investigation that has failed to produce a killer.

She did not want Christy Mirack, the daughter taken from her family four days before Christmas, to be forgotten.

"It's too late now ... I feel it's too late for me because of how sick I am," Mrs. Mirack said in a shaky and tired voice.

But on that day in September, as she glanced at her two surviving children during an interview at daughter Alicia's Philadelphia-area home, she added, "My kids are still here ... It's such a long time, 10 years."

Less than two months later, on Nov. 4, Mrs. Mirack, 59, died at her Shamokin home. Death came one day after Christy would have celebrated her 35th birthday.

Mrs. Mirack was a Catholic, a member of Our Lady of Hope Church in Coal Township, Northumberland County. There was daunting comfort in the belief that Christy, and truth about the murder, awaited her in death.

The terrible call

It was Mrs. Mirack who got the call from Christy's principal that her daughter hadn't arrived at Rohrerstown Elementary School the morning of Monday, Dec. 21, 1992. Did Christy visit Shamokin that weekend, the principal asked?

She had not, and a worried Mrs. Mirack started calling Christy's East Lampeter Township townhouse. Her daughter never answered but, after three hours, someone with the police did _ the family does not know to this day who that was _ and told Mrs. Mirack she needed to come to Lancaster.

The man would say no more. Mrs. Mirack persisted, as concern gave way to a mother's worst fears. There was an "accident," she was told. Christy was dead.

The sixth-grade teacher's strangled, beaten and sexually assaulted body was found by the Rohrerstown principal, who had driven to her Greenfield Estates home to check on her. It was one year and one day after Laurie Show was murdered in the same township.

According to a 1995 Lancaster New Era story citing police, neighbors saw a car pull into a lot directly across from Christy's home shortly after her roommate left for work at 7 a.m. A man jumped out of the car and headed toward her door. Police theorized at the time that Christy either knew the man, or opened the door expecting to see someone else, when he forced his way inside. No one saw the man leave.

Witnesses described the vehicle as a 1984 to 1991 Dodge Daytona or Turismo hatchback, the article noted. It was faded silver, dull gray or faded white in color. The vehicle's distinguishing features included roll-up head lamps and black louvers, or sunshades, on the back window. Police described the man as white, in his 20s, tall with an athletic build and sandy blond or light brown hair, possibly in a crew cut.

It appeared that Christy had put up a struggle. A 1993 Sunday News story citing unnamed sources close to the investigation noted that Christmas packages, bags and cushions had been thrown about; there was a slash in a sofa slipcover, though no furniture was overturned. There was a shoe scuff mark inside, on the top of the front door; scrapes on the entryway floor suggested that Christy might have been dragged, sources said. Her elbows and knees were badly bruised.

Previously published reports noted that a neighbor heard a single scream at 7:15 a.m. The killer left the townhouse with the door ajar, which allowed the principal to enter when he arrived looking for Christy shortly after 9 a.m.

Knew her killer

East Lampeter Township Police Lt. Renee Schuler, who heads the murder investigation, said the car and other information linked early on to the case are not being discounted.

But she and Lancaster County Detective Joseph Geesey provided little in the way of new information at an interview held at the District Attorney's Office last week. Although police initially proceeded under the assumption that Christy knew her killer, they won't rule out a random killing now.

But the family is convinced that Christy either knew the murderer, or opened the door to someone she was expecting that morning. There were no signs of forced entry to the townhouse, according to news reports.

Gathering to discuss Christy and the case in September was extraordinarily difficult for a family that has mourned with no closure for a decade. They've watched Christy's life be subjected to the microscope while the killer continues to elude police. Their heartwrenching loss was evidenced on the fatigued face of an ailing Mrs. Mirack, who sat close to her son, Vince T., on a sofa and looked to him, her daughter and husband, Vincent J., for support as she spoke.

The Miracks said Christy was adamant about safety, though they can't explain why she was so careful. Her father offered typical parental advice: keep the keys ready, take different routes home, don't park in the same place.

Recalling his years as a Lancaster nursing student, her brother, now 31, said he always rang the doorbell when he stopped by Christy's home and had to tell her several times who it was before she would let him in.

But last week Schuler and Geesey would only say that the killer is male. They wouldn't say whether there might have been more than one assailant. Dozens of men have been interviewed by authorities, though officials will not say specifically how many. Investigators said they are looking at specific individuals.

They would not comment on how many people have been exonerated by DNA or other evidence.

But three men who were considered suspects by police were absolved because DNA taken from semen did not match DNA found at the scene, county foresnic pathologist Dr. Wayne K. Ross said in a 1993 interview with the Lancaster New Era.

SoccerMom
07-24-2004, 08:31 PM
Sorry, had to make it into two postings due to length.


FBI involved again

The Mirack case received federal attention while Schuler participated in an intensive 11-week training course at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Va., in 1995. Upon her return, the killer's profile had not changed: one man, possibly 25 to 35 years old, who knew that about 7 a.m. Monday, Dec. 21, Christy would be alone getting ready for school in her townhouse.

The motive is still unclear. Geesey would not comment on the crime scene last week. Police remain quiet as to what weapons were used in the crime, and will not comment on information from sources early on that one instrument was a kitchen cutting board.

"She was beaten," Geesey said. "She was beaten in anger, but ... I don't think we should get into specifics."

The tips that inundated police in the weeks after the homicide slowed with the passage of time. These days, it can be a few months before there's a lead on the case. The most recent tip came in Dec. 2; investigators refused comment on the nature of that information.

Schuler said East Lampeter Township detective Joseph Edgell was assigned to assist on the case about 10 months ago. Geesey continues to work with the department, which is aided by local municipalities as well as state and federal law enforcement when the need arises.

The FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit working out of Quantico is assisting on the case and working on a profile of the killer.

It's not the first time for FBI assistance. In addition to Schuler's training, East Lampeter Township investigators sought federal input in 1993.

Later that year, in a Sunday News story, the murderer was described as someone who wouldn't stand out in a crowd. He was an observer, not the center of attention or the life of the party. He probably hadn't killed before but might have committed date rape, according to information based in part on an FBI profile.

He may have gone into a rage when Christy either rejected him or wouldn't stop resisting.

Who and why

For most of the past decade, it was Mrs. Mirack _ a native of Sunbury who moved to Shamokin as a child _ who kept in touch with police for updates on the investigation.

"She always felt like she was on the outside looking in," her son said.

Schuler wasn't sure when last she spoke with the Miracks; Christy's brother, who also lives in suburban Philadelphia, said his mother hadn't talked with Lancaster County officials in at least a year.

That was about the time Mrs. Mirack faced a third bout with cancer, breast cancer that eventually metastasized to her brain. Treatments to fight the disease wore her out, yet she clung to a dimming hope that Christy's killer would be caught.

Mrs. Mirack worked in several Shamokin-area garment factories and was last employed in Northumberland County's maintenance department. She was proud of college-educated Christy, whom the family called "Chrissy." Mother and daughter's relationship was a close one. Family said they were like sisters.

Faced with her own mortality, Mrs. Mirack _ a wife for 38 years, a mother for almost as many, and a grandmother _ straddled a fence between her love for them and the daughter and sister they'd mourned as a family for a decade. Not knowing the killer's identity had been torment upon heartbreak.

"Who? Who and why?" Mrs. Mirack asked through tears, noting that it had been years before she could really even talk about the murder. "Was she that terrible a person that they had to kill her?"

Christy, who had also been a part-time waitress at Conestoga Country Club and an assistant to a pharmacist at the Neffsville Pharmacy, knew hard work.

And she was determined to be a good teacher.

At 25, she was on her way. Her youth, enthusiasm and rapport with the children made her popular with students, parents and colleagues.

The night before the murder she finished wrapping the last of her Christmas presents for her class. Each child was to get a paperback book, "Miracles on Maple Hill," by children's author Virginia Sorensen. A candy cane topped each gift, and inside, she wrote: "Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a great 1993! Love, Miss Mirack."

Her mother bristled at critics who tarred her daughter with a brush long on judgment and short on compassion because she liked to have fun with her girlfriends at local night spots.

"She was a young kid in college," Mrs. Mirack said of Christy's years at Millersville University. "What do you expect?"

The family learned of Christy's four-year relationship with an older married man after the murder. It was but one thread in a rich, 25-year-old life filled with potential and built around teaching, friendship and family.

As Mrs. Mirack put it, "She was just an ordinary girl."

Family's doubts

Blame for the murder is the killer's alone. But finding the murderer has been no small task.

At an emotional September interview with the Miracks, the pain of Christy's death was fresh. Her family second-guessed themselves, worrying aloud that they should have pushed law enforcement harder. They wondered whether the case would have been solved long ago if they lived in Lancaster County.

"We did whatever they asked us to do," said Christy's brother, a sentiment that was affirmed by Geesey and Schuler. "We assumed they told us everything we needed to know."

"We didn't talk," Christy's father, 64, said. "We didn't say nothing to nobody."

The last thing they wanted to do was jeopardize the case.

Now, her father sees things differently. "Nice people finish last."

Alicia, 37, wonders whether the case was too much for local law enforcement. "I didn't get a feeling they were used to dealing with these things," she said.

Then the family learned of allegations of prosecutorial misconduct in the investigation and prosecution of Lisa Michelle Lambert, one of Laurie Show's convicted killers. Although a Lancaster County judge found no evidence to support those charges in a post-conviction hearing reaffirming Lambert's guilty verdict, it raised questions in the minds of the Mirack family.

"They had so many changes of hands down there," Christy's brother added. "Every time you talked to them, somebody different was handling the case."

Schuler, who has been involved in the investigation from the beginning, said she understands the frustrations and doubts of the Mirack family. But she assures them, and the public, that investigators have been diligent in gathering evidence and working to solve this crime.

"This case has been on every police officer's mind in this county ..." said Geesey, suggesting that it is one that police _ Schuler, in particular, because of her contact with Mrs. Mirack _ have taken personally.

Although investigators have changed _ people get older, move to new positions and retire, noted Schuler _ "that does not affect the continuity," Geesey said.

The Mirack case is one of the unsolved crimes the county is continuing to look into. Others include the 1975 stabbing of Lindy Biechler and the 1984 disappearance of Mary Ann Bagenstose.

Resolve lives on

Schuler said the Mirack case will remain open until it is solved. Investigators believe it can be solved.

But, Schuler added, "We need (the public's) help. We are not an island. We need phone calls and letters to continue."

Investigators stressed that no piece of information is too small or insignificant. Someone may want to come forward who didn't before; there may be others who want to change, or add to, information they supplied to police.

Mrs. Mirack's resolve to find Christy's killer lives on in her husband and surviving son and daughter.

"You don't think something like this will happen to you," she said during the interview in September, "and when it does, it's overwhelming."

Less than two months later, mother was buried alongside daughter at All Saints Cemetery in rural Elysburg.

smile22
07-25-2004, 10:08 AM
hi every one tomrow monday will be janice pocketts 31st ann, since the day she went missing in july at the age of 8 in 1973




i pray that she is found, and that the horable person who did this is also found




im going to light a candle at nite for her

LinasK
07-26-2004, 04:12 AM
I can't find a link....it was a Dublin, CA girl, Eileen Mishaloff, I think I spelled her name wrong. She was an ice skater, she was walking I think home to or from the rink and she was never scene again. I was working in Dublin when this happened I can't even remember the year. I looked on www.missingkids.com (http://www.missingkids.com/) and I couldn't find her missing poster. I think she was later thought to be a runaway and no one ever mentioned her again. She didn't take any of her stuff with her and she gave me the feeling that she wasn't a runaway................Does anyone else remember her? I still think about her.Mystery Momma, Yes I know something about this case, I live in the area. Her name I believe is spelled Ilene Mischeloff. She was abducted walking between school/home and Dublin Iceland. She was never classified as a runaway. She is believed to be a victim of foul play. Her mother still holds candlelight vigils for her and her missing posters can still be found in a few storefronts in Dublin.
There was a murdering couple (James Daveggio & Michelle Michaud) just a couple of years ago that abducted and killed a Phillipino woman from Pleasanton walking on her way to work and dumped her body near Lake Tahoe. They grabbed her off the street and tortured her in their van. They are suspects in the disappearance of Ilene Mischeloff.:twocents:

MaryBelle
08-03-2004, 03:09 PM
I just had to mention Angie Housmann on this thread. Hers is the most disturbing child abduction / murder case I have ever known of in my entire life.

Angie was found dead a short distance from where I live in a nature preserve area. She had been molested and tortured for days before being tied to a tree naked and left in the forest alone in freezing temperatures. Her clothes were in a bag nearby. Police believe she had been kept and tortured for about a week and then left in the forest for about 3 days & nights afterwards before she died - which by that time had to be a blessing for her. My husband used to be in law enforcement and one of the LE who was called to the scene when she was found (by hunters) told my husband that the things that had been done to this little girl were so horrible they could never be talked about.

She was just a sweet little girl who wanted to be everyone's friend. PLEASE read this article about Angie and remember her. It is just so sad. Periodically the local news does an update feature talking with her poor mother. My heart breaks for her. The monster who did this has never been caught.

[snip]
St. Louis, MO -- On Nov. 18, 1993, Angie Housman, a trusting fourth-grader, vanished after getting off her school bus up the street from her home. Nine days after her disappearance, a deer hunter found her body in a wooded area. Angie had been tied to a tree and died slowly of exposure.
She had been raped and tortured.

Police are nowhere near solving the case.

Detectives have tracked down more than 300 leads in their fruitless investigation into Angie's death. "If you're looking for a bunch of frustrated policeman, this is the place to come," said St. Louis Sgt. Riley Hughes, who is heading the Major Case effort.

"This is the most frustrating case I've encountered in my 30 1/2 years as a policeman."

[snip]
"It's our feeling she got in a car on her own," Hughes said. "She was starved for affection.
She told people, `I want to be your friend.' She was a little more trusting than many kids."

Another Major Case squad investigator added: "We've learned that Angie would meet you two or three times and you were her friend. We've been told that she'd go up to people and say,
`Hi. My name is Angie. Are you my friend?'

<http://www.kgl900.com/html/body_angie.htm>

BethInAK
08-16-2004, 08:55 PM
Tara Leigh Calico
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/091903_news_tara.shtml
her disappearance was rather simple but the polaroids found later were not...
http://home.earthlink.net/~jenbird/calico.html

VespaElf
08-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Tara Leigh Calico
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/091903_news_tara.shtml
her disappearance was rather simple but the polaroids found later were not...
http://home.earthlink.net/~jenbird/calico.html

Isnt that creepy? We were discussing this case in another thread.To find three pictures in three different areas of what appears to be her........chilling.
I think all too often we discount "white slavery" cases as being just too far fetched but clearly,imo,Tara was/is being kept alive somewhere.

KATKAT19691
08-18-2004, 02:33 AM
I am sure this will get many of you up in arms, but one way to make sure we can always find our babies is tracking device, much like they use for people on house arrest. if we can use those leg brac. to keep track of them we could use them to track our kids if they come missing. also they have a device in cell phones that can be tracked i wish they could somehow put one in jewerly or something so we could track them if needed. tell me what you think. the worst thing i can think of is not knowing where or what happened to my son.

kat

blueclouds
08-18-2004, 02:57 AM
I am sure this will get many of you up in arms, but one way to make sure we can always find our babies is tracking device, much like they use for people on house arrest. if we can use those leg brac. to keep track of them we could use them to track our kids if they come missing. also they have a device in cell phones that can be tracked i wish they could somehow put one in jewerly or something so we could track them if needed. tell me what you think. the worst thing i can think of is not knowing where or what happened to my son.

kat
There is actually a PRODUCT they are working on that is embedded in the skin and works with a GPS system. NOT ready yet however. The ASIAN are working with "manipulating" skin with computer chips.

However scary this sounds with reference to "Revelations" in the BIBLE, I would rather put something in my kids skin than to wish I had NOT.

emma l
08-18-2004, 06:23 AM
This case has bothered me for ages..its beyond creepy. I read that apparently the police siad at the time that they didnt believe the photos were Tara, but that her parents had an independent "ear matching" test done over here at Scotland Yard and they confirmed that it was indeed Tara. Also there was the v obvious clue of the Virginia Andrews book- which was apparently Taras favourite author..............This is too much of a coincidence. I wonder why they left them though? Is obviously not an accident. But then to have no other contact after that? Also read that the boy in the photos was believed to be Michael Henley- a boy missing at the time who has since be found dead. No other info on him though. It would be wonderful to think Tara was still alive.............

smile22
08-18-2004, 07:51 AM
what if that book was left buy the kidnapers but she somehow when they werent looking got a hold of a pen and put down the number of where she was at im sure she heard them talking to people and im sure the kidnapers had to give out the number a few times u know like if they are calling a friend and they are like im at this place now this is the number. becuse there friends are most likely shaddy people and dont want them comming in and out of the house you know looks suspicus. didn the parents find a number but it was all scratched out i wonder if they used a magnifing glass to better see the numbers

emma l
08-18-2004, 10:44 AM
Smile,
Appparently they DID call all possible combinatons of this phone number and none of them led to Tara. I think there were 30 something possible combinations.
I think you are right though- there are only 2 possible explanations for the number:
1) Tara somehow managed to write it as a way of tracking her.
2) The kidnappers wrote it as some kind of clue.

With either of these the number could be many things- a phone number, a code of a street name or address, a code of a persons name, some kind of message to Taras family, a message regarding her fate- perhaps a date...........The list just goes on and on!! I don't think that number is there by accident- WHATEVER it was meant to say, the message hasn't got through! On the other hand maybe its somekind of message to the abducters friends...some kind of secret code or something. Goodness knows, there are so many possible explanations, you could try and decifer this code forever.......

My personal view? I think the code is a message- a private message of some kind and that somebody, somewhere knows da*n well what it means, but has chosen not to say. Kidnappers don't have the time or inclination to make up complicated codes- I think this is something really obvious thats been overlooked. I think the photos themselves are also some kind of code- wasn't there a really weird one with her bound in gauze or something??

Interestingly I also found this link to missing boy Zack Bernhardt of a photo found of a boy bound and gagged which might be him.....Connected? Very possibly. Even if this photo isn't Zack, theres still a child bound and gagged.....

Heres the link http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/958923/detail.html

I'm gonna post this on Zacks thread as well.

BethInAK
08-18-2004, 11:32 PM
This case has bothered me for ages..its beyond creepy. I read that apparently the police siad at the time that they didnt believe the photos were Tara, but that her parents had an independent "ear matching" test done over here at Scotland Yard and they confirmed that it was indeed Tara. Also there was the v obvious clue of the Virginia Andrews book- which was apparently Taras favourite author..............This is too much of a coincidence. I wonder why they left them though? Is obviously not an accident. But then to have no other contact after that? Also read that the boy in the photos was believed to be Michael Henley- a boy missing at the time who has since be found dead. No other info on him though. It would be wonderful to think Tara was still alive.............
Michael Henley was found in the same place he disappeared, hunting with his father or grandfather, I think. He died of exposure when he got lost. Took ten years or something to find him - must have been pretty lost.

I find it very interesting about the ear matching! I spent hours staring at the photo to try and see if both girls had the same type earlobe (attached or detached).

sadiesue
08-18-2004, 11:51 PM
I recently had a long conversation with several friends about missing persons. I think it was right about the time that Lori Hacking was missing.

I hope this comes across well, and the story isn't viewed as totally insensitive. But you know how groups of good friends can get, hanging out with a couple of cocktails.

These are guys who grew up in the country, many working on farms, some now farmers themselves, some now businessmen, etc. I grew up in the city.

A couple of the men in the group started asking each other "if you wanted to make someone disappear forever, what would you do?" The overwhelming response was "I'd throw him in with the hogs".

Our resident hog farmer confirmed the fact that a pen of hungry pigs could make a person disappear pretty quickly, (insert Hannibal flashbacks here) and any "smart killer" would do just that. Horrifying, terrible thought, but one that made me wonder if some of the missing people in the world disappeared that way.

It also got me thinking, if there is a missing person in a farming community, do you suppose the local law enforcement even thinks to look around hog farms? Or question the farmers? Is it common knowledge? Being a city girl, I was pretty shocked and horrified, I knew hogs were mean, but damn!

My hog farming friend also told a story about another hog farmer that he knows (I do not know him) who was once approached by a wealty man who offered him big bucks to ignore any activity out by his barn late at night. The farmer refused, but my friend thinks that disposing of a body might have been the goal.

Brittany Beers lived within an hour of many pig farms. Seeing her name here in this thread reminded me of this conversation.

What is your opinion on this? Do you think it's something that should be looked into further, when people in rural areas go missing?

Could hog farmers all over the country be making cash by turning a blind eye?

Scary to think about, isn't it?

emma l
08-19-2004, 06:21 AM
Bethinak,
I also spent hours looking at the ears and trying to work out whether it was Tara. Apparently the girl in the photos also had the same hair line as Tara and a scar on her leg from an accident she had as a child (I've spent hours looking for this and couldn't see it). i think its safe to to say it IS her..............too much of a coincidence otherwise.

Interestingly though I read that the police based the idea of the photo not being Tara on one simple fact- the girl in the photo has shaved legs, why would a kidnapper shave or allow an abducted girl to shave her legs?

I personally think its pretty self-explanatory.........You def would let the person shave their legs/wash/do their hair etc if you were keeping them for certain reasons........ I don't think i need to go into details...................
Apparently the girl in the photos was seen by witnesses on a beach shortly beore the photo was found. She was apparently surrounded by males and was being ordered around......but the police suspected it might have been staged...........Who knows? Its a pretty elaborate hoax.

emma l
08-19-2004, 10:34 AM
sadiesue,

I think this is unfortunately a definite possibility............Weirdly I only thought about it for the first time when I saw that Hannibal lector film. I was watching it with my boyfriend and he wasn't suprised- he said that its a well known fact how vicious hogs are! Thinking about how often I read up on true crime, its unbelivable I never thought about it before really........

Its a truly horrible thought, but people will do a lot of things for money. You'd hope they'd draw the line where children are concerned, but most people have a price. People can be pretty cheap...........

As I was posting this I remembered about a case of missing womans DNA being found on a pig farm........heres the (RATHER GRUESOME- BE WARNED) link to the story
http://www.missingpeople.net/another_woman's_dna_found_at_pig_farm-sept_17,_2002.htm

shellbee
08-19-2004, 11:27 AM
A couple of the men in the group started asking each other "if you wanted to make someone disappear forever, what would you do?" The overwhelming response was "I'd throw him in with the hogs".
This actually happened in a rather famous, or maybe I should say infamous, case here in Michigan.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/ognjan.html

http://www.freep.com/news/mich/bros30_20031030.htm

sadiesue
08-19-2004, 09:50 PM
Wow Shellbee and Emma, your links make me wonder even more if it happens more frequently than city dwellers might realize.

Pretty scary.

My husband, having grown up in the country, thinks that rural law enforcement probably isn't smart enough to think of hog farms when people come up missing. I'm hoping he's wrong.

BethInAK
08-20-2004, 01:56 AM
Interestingly though I read that the police based the idea of the photo not being Tara on one simple fact- the girl in the photo has shaved legs, why would a kidnapper shave or allow an abducted girl to shave her legs?

I personally think its pretty self-explanatory.........You def would let the person shave their legs/wash/do their hair etc if you were keeping them for certain reasons........ I don't think i need to go into details...................
Apparently the girl in the photos was seen by witnesses on a beach shortly beore the photo was found. She was apparently surrounded by males and was being ordered around......but the police suspected it might have been staged...........Who knows? Its a pretty elaborate hoax.
I had read about the men ordering the young lady around, and considered it might have been a consensual relationship that she had with the men, but hadn't heard all of the other similarities you mention.

Yes, if you kidnap someone for sexual reasons, you might want them to shave their legs.

It makes me more scared to consider how long Tara might have lived like this than it would to think that someone took and killed her quickly. IIRC, this photo was found MONTHS after Tara was kidnapped.

And who the hell is that little boy?

emma l
08-20-2004, 05:44 AM
BethInak,

I think about the boy in the photos a lot. Its weird that nobody came forward and said it was their child- apart from Micheal Henleys parents.....and as he was said to have died from exposure..................... Although I did notice in the article that Taras parents say that they "even have their doubts about that".....................

I was saying in the Zack Bernhardt thread that although it obviously couldn't be Zack in the photos with Tara, it is weird that the boy in that photo and the boy in the photo found bound and gagged around the time Zack dissapeared are both similar in looks- blonde haired, similar colouring etc. And that photo was also found outside a convience store as well- something about this is really bugging me.............

I also noticed that Tara disappeared in September 1988 and the first photo of her and the boy was taken on film not available until May 1989, the 2nd in June 1989 and the third in FEBRUARY 1990.

This would suggest that the photographer deliberately chose film that would tell people the time it was taken.......Why would anyone bother to do this if not to give some kind of clue or message that Tara was still alive months after she vanished?

Poor Tara, and that poor little boy. It must be devastating for her family, knowing she might have been alive for months after she disappeared- that she might even be somewhere right now. I think the pain of not knowing, of trying to keep some kind of hope alive would crush me. I don't know how people cope.

VespaElf
08-20-2004, 02:03 PM
BethInak,

I think about the boy in the photos a lot. Its weird that nobody came forward and said it was their child- apart from Micheal Henleys parents.....and as he was said to have died from exposure..................... Although I did notice in the article that Taras parents say that they "even have their doubts about that".....................

I was saying in the Zack Bernhardt thread that although it obviously couldn't be Zack in the photos with Tara, it is weird that the boy in that photo and the boy in the photo found bound and gagged around the time Zack dissapeared are both similar in looks- blonde haired, similar colouring etc. And that photo was also found outside a convience store as well- something about this is really bugging me.............

I also noticed that Tara disappeared in September 1988 and the first photo of her and the boy was taken on film not available until May 1989, the 2nd in June 1989 and the third in FEBRUARY 1990.

This would suggest that the photographer deliberately chose film that would tell people the time it was taken.......Why would anyone bother to do this if not to give some kind of clue or message that Tara was still alive months after she vanished?

Poor Tara, and that poor little boy. It must be devastating for her family, knowing she might have been alive for months after she disappeared- that she might even be somewhere right now. I think the pain of not knowing, of trying to keep some kind of hope alive would crush me. I don't know how people cope.



Emma,
I too have been thinking about these cases (I guess we're sharing brainwaves! :) )and in my opinion they are related as the m/os are just too similar.
Think about it.........how many people(children) are abducted and held for longer than 24-48 hours? I dont have a statisic handy but if my memory serves me don't they say that if an abducted child is usually murdered within 2-3 hours after being kidnapped? And if/when they are held is it more than two days? Very rarely(yes theres Elizabeth Smart & Steven Stayer but their cases are anomilies are they not?) and in addition,how often do the abductors take photographs? I know sometimes a memento of sorts is kept(a piece of jewelry or clothing etc) but to my knowledge concrete evidence,i.e photos is again quite rare as is leaving said photos in a public place (those photos were left on purpose to be found imo).

I belive you're correct Emma in regards to the boys similarities and I belive that was deliberate too.


Very chilling!!!!!!!!!

BethInAK
08-20-2004, 05:17 PM
BethInak,

I was saying in the Zack Bernhardt thread that although it obviously couldn't be Zack in the photos with Tara, it is weird that the boy in that photo and the boy in the photo found bound and gagged around the time Zack dissapeared are both similar in looks- blonde haired, similar colouring etc. And that photo was also found outside a convience store as well- something about this is really bugging me.............

I also noticed that Tara disappeared in September 1988 and the first photo of her and the boy was taken on film not available until May 1989, the 2nd in June 1989 and the third in FEBRUARY 1990.

This would suggest that the photographer deliberately chose film that would tell people the time it was taken.......Why would anyone bother to do this if not to give some kind of clue or message that Tara was still alive months after she vanished?

Poor Tara, and that poor little boy. It must be devastating for her family, knowing she might have been alive for months after she disappeared- that she might even be somewhere right now. I think the pain of not knowing, of trying to keep some kind of hope alive would crush me. I don't know how people cope.

Emma!
Tell me about the second and third photos. In all my searches on Tara, I never heard of them.

KATKAT19691
08-22-2004, 04:51 AM
There is actually a PRODUCT they are working on that is embedded in the skin and works with a GPS system. NOT ready yet however. The ASIAN are working with "manipulating" skin with computer chips.

However scary this sounds with reference to "Revelations" in the BIBLE, I would rather put something in my kids skin than to wish I had NOT.




I am in agreement with you on that. Just think how easy it would be to find these kids and return them home to mom, instead of mom spending the rest of her life wondering what happened to her child. It will be the best protection for our children.

2sisters
08-22-2004, 03:32 PM
Case that haunt me are:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1ufny.html, the boy in the box. How could a child reamin unidentified for so long. Someone knows something and aunt, brother, sister, grandparent. Even a family aquantance.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1ufny.html Caledonia, NY Jane Doe. I think her case can be solved. She is probably a runaway who had a falling out with her family and is estranged then met up with the wrong person/people (maybe organized crime?) Her family maybe hasn't looked for her yet and don't even realize she has died. There probably wasn't a missing persons report filed or it was lost.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/34dfca.html Gayle Marks. I wonder if Wesley Shermantine has any information on her. He was convicted of killing 2 girls in Stockton, CA or the surrounding area in the 80's. The remains were never found but they had enough evidence to convict. Her mother has a nice website set up for Gayle at http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/GayleMarks/
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/374dfme.html Kimberly Moreau. I really have no thoughts about her. Maybe someone else out there does.

emma l
08-23-2004, 06:23 AM
QUOTE=BethInAK]Emma!
Tell me about the second and third photos. In all my searches on Tara, I never heard of them.[/QUOTE]

Hey 2 sisters. Unfortunatley I've never seen the other photos,but they're mentioned in several articles.....

Theres this quote from the old MPCNN site and a news article

http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/091903_news_tara.shtml
"Two other similar photographs have surfaced over the years. One Polaroid, made on film that was unavailable until June 1989, was found near a residential construction site in Montecito, California and depicted a girl's face with her mouth covered by duct tape. The image is blurry, but Calico's mother says she thinks the girl in the photo is her daughter. She has a cowlick on her right temple like Calico, and also a lazy eye like Calico has. The blue-striped fabric the girl is lying on is similar to the pillow in the first photo.
The third Polaroid photograph was shot on film not available until February of 1990 shows a woman who is loosely bound in gauze and has her eyes covered with gauze and large black-framed glasses. There is a man sitting next to her on the passenger seat of an Amtrak train. Calico's mother is not sure whether the girl is daughter;or if its a cruel joke. Still, the man's face is included with two other suspect composites"
snip................................

I can't find a picture of the suspect composites anywhere which is annoying. Even if the 3rd photo is a fake, that still leaves the one taken in 1989. Thats a year after Tara was taken. Very spooky.............

Messiecake- we are indeed sharing brainwaves...........I believe that they are either related or are made to look like they are.....too similar otherwise. I wonder if its ever been looked into?

taffy
09-04-2004, 06:03 PM
Don't know why this case sticks in my mind. She was only 20 years old. She had only been married 10 days. I think it happened in 1992 and it has never been solved. She's from Kansas. Have you ever heard of this case?

Taffy

emma l
09-06-2004, 05:03 AM
Hey Taffy,

This was the only link I could find to a Jennifer Judd- is this her?

http://www.unsolvedcrimes.com/juddj.html

I hadn't heard of this case before and I can't find any other links- sometimes unsolved murder cases get almost no publicity- which is terrible. Do you have nay more info on her?

fotoaus
09-07-2004, 09:15 AM
I been looking at this for a long time now and have lost 23MB of info stored also an old posting on websleuths disappeared as well.
http://fbi.edgesuite.net/mostwant/seekinfo/zywicki.htm

emma l
09-07-2004, 09:50 AM
Hey Fotoaus- how did you manage to lose so much info?!! :( You know you can usually take PC's into a store and they can recover even deleted information.

My boyfriends computer died and in it was a full album of songs that his band had written and they have had interest from Sony Records so he was distraught!!
But they recovered it fine- he was sooooooooo worried. Anyway it might be worth a try. You might not even have to pay if it is a hardware or software problem that caused you to lose it and it is still under guarantee. :dance:

Anyway here's all Tammy's google links http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Tammy+J.+Zywicki&btnG=Google+Search

And here's an interesting article http://web.grinnell.edu/sandb/archives/volume119/07/news/zywicki.html

curves
10-01-2004, 12:17 PM
You're right. Ken and Si were responsible for the deaths of these girls. They rode at Si's brother's barn and witnessed Ken's brother planting a bomb on Si's brother's car. (Si eventually succeeded in killing his brother years later). An assistant trainer, a young woman named Cherie, was asked to bring the car around to the front. The car exploded and she was killed. The three girls were witnesses, so Si had Ken kill them. Ken used his boat (which matched the description given by eyewitnesses) and then burned it. (he also collected insurance for the 'accident' to his boat).

The real mystery is where did Si's nephew, Frank Jayne Jr., put the body of Brach candy heiress Helen Brach. There have been books and movies about Helen Brach, but no one has ever found her body. Jayne's accomplice, Richard Bailey is in prison for life for his involvement in her murder.

Has this been proven, about Ken and Silas killing the 3 girls?

kitap
10-04-2004, 09:12 PM
I am sure this will get many of you up in arms, but one way to make sure we can always find our babies is tracking device, much like they use for people on house arrest. if we can use those leg brac. to keep track of them we could use them to track our kids if they come missing. also they have a device in cell phones that can be tracked i wish they could somehow put one in jewerly or something so we could track them if needed. tell me what you think. the worst thing i can think of is not knowing where or what happened to my son.

kat
I doubt this would work as undoubtably kidnappers would take off the item. Anything in the skin would probably get ripped out (ouch!).

kitap

misterallgood
01-11-2005, 06:57 PM
Isnt that creepy? We were discussing this case in another thread.To find three pictures in three different areas of what appears to be her........chilling.
I think all too often we discount "white slavery" cases as being just too far fetched but clearly,imo,Tara was/is being kept alive somewhere.
I normally wouldn't post to messages on a thread that are many months old, but I had to say somewhere that I too have been very bothered by these photos for years, since I first saw them on Unsolved Mysteries.

I've never thought it was an elaborate hoax, either. Things that have occurred to me are "pedophile gangs" or a ring - among criminals of a certain sort, they seem to be the ones most likely to band together at times in some fashion. There appears to be a mindset among pedos that they are not criminals, simply victims of a global prejudice. (I know...amazing, huh?)

Another thing that's occurred to me is of course that these were the taunts of a still active and mobile serial killer. This...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/958923/detail.html

posted earlier in this thread, made me wonder.

If it's a hoax, it's a very strange and oblique one.

Other questions I've had were the same as some asked earlier in this thread...the significance of the book. If Tara Calico liked VC Andrews, does that mean the kidnapper cared enough about her to let her get a book by her favorite author? And what about the shaven legs? Could it have been done for her?

If the book was placed by the photographer, was there another sort of significance there altogether? The plot is classic gothic Andrews...deeply buried family secrets, rape, incest...control and possession. It would still be a rather vague statement.

Whatever the case, it also smacks of one of those big questions that just won't ever get answered, and that's perhaps the saddest part.

Steve

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside

VespaElf
01-13-2005, 10:18 AM
Whatever the case, it also smacks of one of those big questions that just won't ever get answered, and that's perhaps the saddest part.

Steve




So frustrating isn't it? The pictures have really haunted me and I just can't belive it wasn't really investigated(the thing about the shaved legs is so stupid! Of course someone being held "captive" could have shaved their legs or had them shaved for her-duh!!)

I tend to discount stories of missing persons being held for years by a group or gang usually because they're either scams,the ramblings of a nutcase or "satanic panic" cult nonsense but clearly ,imo,in this case there was more than 1 person at work and Tara was indeed held for a long period of time.


Thanks for posting and with cold cases its never TOO late to post!

Richard
01-13-2005, 12:39 PM
[QUOTE=messiecake I tend to discount stories of missing persons being held for years by a group or gang usually because they're either scams,the ramblings of a nutcase or "satanic panic" cult nonsense but clearly ,imo,in this case there was more than 1 person at work and Tara was indeed held for a long period of time.

Although the sad reality is that most stranger abduction cases end in the death of the victim within a relatively short time, there have been cases where the victim is held for many days, months, and even years after the initial abduction. There is one case in particular - that of Cameron Hooker and his wife Janice who picked up hitch hiker Colleen Stan in California in 1977, and then proceeded to hold her for seven years. Most of that time, she was kept in a box in a mobile home and was repeatedly raped by Cameron Hooker. The crime is detailed in the book "Perfect Victim" by Christine McGuire and Carla Norton (1988).

monkalup
01-13-2005, 05:11 PM
and Blue Earth MN Doe 183UFMN
found in 1980

VespaElf
01-13-2005, 06:51 PM
[QUOTE=messiecake I tend to discount stories of missing persons being held for years by a group or gang usually because they're either scams,the ramblings of a nutcase or "satanic panic" cult nonsense but clearly ,imo,in this case there was more than 1 person at work and Tara was indeed held for a long period of time.

Although the sad reality is that most stranger abduction cases end in the death of the victim within a relatively short time, there have been cases where the victim is held for many days, months, and even years after the initial abduction. There is one case in particular - that of Cameron Hooker and his wife Janice who picked up hitch hiker Colleen Stan in California in 1977, and then proceeded to hold her for seven years. Most of that time, she was kept in a box in a mobile home and was repeatedly raped by Cameron Hooker. The crime is detailed in the book "Perfect Victim" by Christine McGuire and Carla Norton (1988).

Ive read "Perfect Victim"-very intriquing case but the book dissapointed me somewhat.
Oh I know it HAS happened("I know My First Name Is Steven" being another) it's just very rare is all I am saying.
I am cautious about claims due to various scam artists .One of whom has even showed up here at W/S (although he is banned).

smile22
01-15-2005, 09:51 AM
yes their are scam artists out their who will say anything to you to get you to belive in what they are saying always check with a reliable source ex le someone handing the case if you feel that you are dealing with a con

monkalup
01-15-2005, 10:27 AM
I just had to mention Angie Housmann on this thread. Hers is the most disturbing child abduction / murder case I have ever known of in my entire life.

Angie was found dead a short distance from where I live in a nature preserve area. She had been molested and tortured for days before being tied to a tree naked and left in the forest alone in freezing temperatures. Her clothes were in a bag nearby. Police believe she had been kept and tortured for about a week and then left in the forest for about 3 days & nights afterwards before she died - which by that time had to be a blessing for her. My husband used to be in law enforcement and one of the LE who was called to the scene when she was found (by hunters) told my husband that the things that had been done to this little girl were so horrible they could never be talked about.

She was just a sweet little girl who wanted to be everyone's friend. PLEASE read this article about Angie and remember her. It is just so sad. Periodically the local news does an update feature talking with her poor mother. My heart breaks for her. The monster who did this has never been caught.

[snip]
St. Louis, MO -- On Nov. 18, 1993, Angie Housman, a trusting fourth-grader, vanished after getting off her school bus up the street from her home. Nine days after her disappearance, a deer hunter found her body in a wooded area. Angie had been tied to a tree and died slowly of exposure.
She had been raped and tortured.

Police are nowhere near solving the case.

Detectives have tracked down more than 300 leads in their fruitless investigation into Angie's death. "If you're looking for a bunch of frustrated policeman, this is the place to come," said St. Louis Sgt. Riley Hughes, who is heading the Major Case effort.

"This is the most frustrating case I've encountered in my 30 1/2 years as a policeman."

[snip]
"It's our feeling she got in a car on her own," Hughes said. "She was starved for affection.
She told people, `I want to be your friend.' She was a little more trusting than many kids."

Another Major Case squad investigator added: "We've learned that Angie would meet you two or three times and you were her friend. We've been told that she'd go up to people and say,
`Hi. My name is Angie. Are you my friend?'

<http://www.kgl900.com/html/body_angie.htm>


Simply breaks my heart

Becba
01-15-2005, 09:25 PM
The picture of Tara and that little boy have haunted me since a child. I was in my teens when this photo was found outside a convience store. The town it was found in was about 20 miles away and in the same county.

The official statement released at that time was that one of the families said it wasn't their kid despite the police believing it was. Gossip went around that this family did not care about their kid. Terrible things to say about a family suffering such a loss.

Tara seems like a good match and so did the boy untill I heard his remains were found. But his family do not believe those are his remains.

A white Toyota van was parked in the parking lot. When the person that found the photo came from the store, the photo was there and the van was gone.

I have always thought these kids were transported far from where they were stolen and transported down south in FL. I still hold out hope they maybe alive.

smile22
01-17-2005, 02:02 PM
their is hope that they could be still alive but with each year that passes it fades faster and faster.. lately ive been really wanting to solve the case of missing ct girl janice pockett it has haunted me for a while and is close to home since i live in the state she was taken from and its about 45 minnuts from my house. if anyone is intrested in the pockett case their is a thread on it and you can pm me

Sunshinelady
01-17-2005, 04:24 PM
There are many cold cases that haunt me but this is perhaps the most haunting cold case against a child that I have ever come along. It involves an unidentified African American female child found in St. Louis, Missouri on February 28, 1983 in a vacant apartment building. She was lying face-down in a furnace room with her hands tied behind her back with red and white nylon rope. The victim had been sexually assaulted prior to being strangled, which was the cause of her death. She was decapitated and her head was never found. She is the only child on The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children(NCMEC) without any type of photo or sketch. Only the bloodied yellow v-necked sweater she was wearing is pictured.

Here is her Doe Network Page:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/54ufmo.html

Read More Here:

The Case That Haunts The most notorious cold case in the history of the St. Louis Police Department still haunts homicide detectives BY CHAD GARRISON


http://riverfronttimes.com/issues/2004-12-01/news/feature.html

Richard
01-18-2005, 12:38 PM
There are many cold cases that haunt me but this is perhaps the most haunting cold case against a child that I have ever come along. It involves an unidentified African American female child found [font=Times New Roman][size=3]in St. Louis, Missouri on February 28, 1983 in a vacant apartment building. She was lying face-down in a furnace room with her hands tied behind her back with red and white nylon rope. The victim had been sexually assaulted prior to being strangled, which was the cause of her death. She was decapitated and her head was never found. She is the only child on The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children(NCMEC) without any type of photo or sketch. Only the bloodied yellow v-necked sweater she was wearing is pictured....]

I have often wondered if this little girl might have been a victim of the BTK killer of Kansas. Except for the decapitation, there are a lot of similarities. It occurred during the span of killings generally attributed to him, the child was found inside a building, bound, strangled, and stabbed (if you consider the decapitation). Here is some more info on her:
Unidentified African-American Female Child

Located on February 28, 1983 in St. Louis, Missouri
Cause of death was homicide; the victim was strangled.

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 8 - 11 years old (DOB circa 1972-75).
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10"; 70 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: She was well-nourished. She had no scars, deformities or irregularities. Medium complexion.
Clothing: She was wearing a yellow v-necked sweater and 2 coats of red fingernail polish.

Case History
The victim was located in a vacant apartment building on Clemens Avenue in St. Louis, Missouri on February 28, 1983. Two men who were in the basement of the building discovered the young girl. She was lying face-down in the furnace room with her hands tied behind her back with red and white nylon rope. The victim had been sexually assaulted prior to being strangled, which was the cause of her death.
The victim's head had been removed with a large-bladed knife after her death. Her head has never been discovered. She had been killed elsewhere and brought to the vacant building after her death.
There were no signs of previous abuse on the victim's body. There was no specific features that would give clues as to her identity.
The St. Louis authorities have conducted extensive investigations into the victim's identity since 1983 and have received no clear leads. Her murderer(s) remain unknown, although several suspects have been under investigation. No arrests have been made in the case.

If you have any information concerning this young girl's identity or the circumstances surrounding her homicide, please contact: St. Louis Police Department, Detective Thomas Carroll 314-444-5371

NCIC Number: U-470002710

Source Information:
NCMEC
Jane Doe: The Girl Nobody Seems To Miss
The Doe Network: Case File 54UFMO

indigomood
01-22-2005, 12:14 AM
Nancy Jo Canode was young and beautiful, with two children, a hard-working husband and a comfortable two-level apartment in Ponte Vedra Beach.
So why did someone rape her, tie a rope around her neck, and stab her with an ice pick and a kitchen knife until she died?

No one knows, except her killer...

http://www.staugustine.com/stories99/060399/unsolved_murder.shtml
(register)

did the husband do it??

LinasK
01-22-2005, 12:28 AM
Mystery Momma, Yes I know something about this case, I live in the area. Her name I believe is spelled Ilene Mischeloff. She was abducted walking between school/home and Dublin Iceland. She was never classified as a runaway. She is believed to be a victim of foul play. Her mother still holds candlelight vigils for her and her missing posters can still be found in a few storefronts in Dublin.
There was a murdering couple (James Daveggio & Michelle Michaud) just a couple of years ago that abducted and killed a Phillipino woman from Pleasanton walking on her way to work and dumped her body near Lake Tahoe. They grabbed her off the street and tortured her in their van. They are suspects in the disappearance of Ilene Mischeloff.:twocents:
There will be a candlelight vigil held for Ilene in the next few days, I forgot the exact date. It has been 16 years since she disappeared, she is gone, but not forgotten.

mysteriew
01-23-2005, 04:53 PM
I just started a thread on this case today:
16 yo Cheryl Fossyl Georgetown, Ohio She was taking law enforcement classes at the local vocational school. Her head was located in Adams County. Ohio and her torso was located in Brown County. Ohio. Still unsolved. Allegations of an offical coverup.

http://www.kdbs.us/help_the_children_link.htm


Carrie Culberson Blanchester, Ohio 24 yo disappeared in 1996 and presumed dead. Body has never been found. Boyfriend has convicted of the murder and his brother of helping to cover up the murder. A civil suit was filed against the city of Blanchester by the victim's mother for misconduct by the police chief in investigating the murder.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/index.html
http://www.justice4vinceandtracey.com/

The two cases are in adjoining counties: Brown County Ohio and Clinton County Ohio.

JDB
01-23-2005, 06:33 PM
I can't find a link....it was a Dublin, CA girl, Eileen Mishaloff, I think I spelled her name wrong. She was an ice skater, she was walking I think home to or from the rink and she was never scene again. I was working in Dublin when this happened I can't even remember the year. I looked on www.missingkids.com and I couldn't find her missing poster. I think she was later thought to be a runaway and no one ever mentioned her again. She didn't take any of her stuff with her and she gave me the feeling that she wasn't a runaway................Does anyone else remember her? I still think about her.


OHH how well I remeber this one. I live in the Bay area. IMHO she was and is not a runaway. Then you had Michela Gerhardt (I know I spelled that one wrong)She was taken from a grocery store just a few miles where I grew up. To this day no leads what so ever.

Becba
01-24-2005, 10:41 AM
Pamela June Ray has been missing since 1992. She came to Panama City Beach from Atlanta, at about 5:30 am she parked with her 2 samll children at Whites Motel in search of a room. A man was senn following her as she left her car and a scream was heard. The police fed and saw to her little children but she was never found. Whites motel is within 2 miles of my house. It has long been thought one or more serial killers come to this area due to the vacation atmosphere and people less wary while on vacation. Unidentified bones have been found in wooded areas on roads miles from the town. Aside from her scream Pamela has never been heard from or seen again. Her keys and purse were in the car with the small children.


http://doenetwork.us/cases/595dffl.html

VespaElf
01-24-2005, 11:58 AM
What's scarier............the fact someone's murder can never be solved OR the fact someone's body is never identified? It just amazes me a body,esp. that of a child,can go without anyone stepping forward saying"that's my child".........it's not like they fell out of the sky! There's family out there somewhere!

It's haunting to think how so many people can just "dissapear" with no clues or witnesses.


Both of these thoughts really scare me.

joellegirl
01-24-2005, 04:44 PM
What's scarier............the fact someone's murder can never be solved OR the fact someone's body is never identified? It just amazes me a body,esp. that of a child,can go without anyone stepping forward saying"that's my child".........it's not like they fell out of the sky! There's family out there somewhere!

It's haunting to think how so many people can just "dissapear" with no clues or witnesses.


Both of these thoughts really scare me.

Those thoughts have always scared me too. It is sad how some bodies are never identified-these people must have had some one who noticed them missing and cares!

And the people who just simply vanish, that haunts me so much. That is why the Evelyn Hartley case (I know, I know, I talk about it alot here) has stayed with me for so many years. She was dragged out of that house and simply vanished. The point is, she is somewhere as I write this, dead or alive. Sadly it is more likely she is dead, and has been dead probably since that night 51 years ago. Whoever killed her, hid her body and hid it good. There was such an extensive search to find her but no trace was ever found. There is so much open countryside around La Crosse. I sometimes think maybe a new house will be built, or a new subdivision or shopping mall or road. Maybe her body will be discovered as they dig into the ground. But there is still so so much open land around there, that she could lie there undiscovered for a 1000 years , or forever. And this is just assuming she was buried. Who know what her killers did with her body. That poor girl, I can't imagine the terror she felt as she was sitting in that livingroom, being surprised by the intruders and dragged out and injured badly.

I sometimes wonder what her surviving sibling(s) think. (Her parents, as least her father, have passed away). I wonder if late at night, maybe sitting at the computer, they do a Google search on her name. I wonder if they've read Websleuths. I am disappointed the book that was being written by three LaCrosse residents in no longer in the works, due to money. I hope someone can come forward and help the book get published. According to an article in the La Crosse Tribune some man came forward last year saying he had a tape recording of a man saying he and another man killed Evelyn and buried her near a town south of LaCrosse. I wonder how much that was looked into. It may be made up but who knows-there may be truth in it. It has been always thought that Evelyn was taken south out of town, as the bloodstained jacket they believed to be the abductors, and bloodstained underclothes her size were found along Rt 14. There has been no more talk of that article, though the authors of the book were looking into it at that time, and so were the police.

When I first discovered the MPCCN amd Doe Network, I never realized how many people have just simply vanished, and how many are unidentified. I knew of many cases already (like Evelyn) and knew it has been happenening since the beginning of time, but to see them all together on one website like that. It is just so haunting.

smile22
01-25-2005, 06:01 PM
i totaly agree the case of little janice pockett is so close to home she was taken about 45 minnuts from where i live and its so sad that she was never found. went riding her bike to find a butterfly and she vanishes without a trace its been a little over 30 years and still never been found how sad im gona take a trip up to where she was taken with a friend of mine who has visions i duno but we will see what happens

DonnaNV
01-29-2005, 08:02 PM
The case that always pops into my mind when I hear about a child disappearing while camping or hiking is the case of little Laura Bradbury (3 years old) who disappeared fom her family's campsite in Joshua Tree National Park (near Palm Springs, CA) in 1984. There was a big search and I remember daily updates in the news for quite some time. I have a vague memory that then child actor, Rick Schroeder, made some public pleas for her safe return. She was a distant relative of his.

I did a web search to try to find information about this case and only found some references which say that she was never found and is believed to have been abducted. I am surprised that her family doesn't have a website for her and that she is not on the official missing children sites (as far as I could find).

Anybody remember this case?

I have thought of this case many times over the past 20 years. I lived in Riverside, CA at the time. Also with a small daughter who resembled Laura.
It haunted me all through the Danielle Van Dam case. Wondering if Westerfield may have been camping at Joshua Tree when Laura disappeared.
Think about it.....Motorhomes, desert, little girl. I always felt that Danielle Van Dam was not his first victim.

karma100
02-01-2005, 12:35 PM
You're right. Ken and Si were responsible for the deaths of these girls. They rode at Si's brother's barn and witnessed Ken's brother planting a bomb on Si's brother's car. (Si eventually succeeded in killing his brother years later). An assistant trainer, a young woman named Cherie, was asked to bring the car around to the front. The car exploded and she was killed. The three girls were witnesses, so Si had Ken kill them. Ken used his boat (which matched the description given by eyewitnesses) and then burned it. (he also collected insurance for the 'accident' to his boat).

The real mystery is where did Si's nephew, Frank Jayne Jr., put the body of Brach candy heiress Helen Brach. There have been books and movies about Helen Brach, but no one has ever found her body. Jayne's accomplice, Richard Bailey is in prison for life for his involvement in her murder.

This is my first post here. I found your post and this site because I did a google search to find out about the girls that were missing. I did not know Ken Hansen was a likely tie in. There was a recent story about this -
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050123-114635-5123r.htm (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050123-114635-5123r.htm)
A horse trainer claims he shot her with the same people that were proven involved in killing three little boys killed in the 1950's and part of that whole Jayne/Hansen scene.

He claims Brach's body was then dumped via mob connections to the Inland Steel Mill in Indiana, which interestingly enough doesn’t seem that far from the Indiana Dunes. Either way, maybe that could be the tie in needed to Indiana for both Helen Brach and these girls to Indiana. There used to be a website that listed a lot of interesting stuff on the Jaynes. Frank Jayne had a son who died in Indiana and a house that burned in Indiana. I think they are getting closer to the truth of what really happened.


Is the information about Ken Hansen’s boat having been used to pick up the girls common knowledge? That is fascinating. I had never read that, but I do recall reading they had a picture or movie of the boat that picked them up from someone on the beach.

LinasK
02-02-2005, 01:53 AM
There will be a candlelight vigil held for Ilene in the next few days, I forgot the exact date. It has been 16 years since she disappeared, she is gone, but not forgotten.Update from Contra Costa Times:

"More than 16 years have passed since Mike and Maddi Misheloff last saw their daughter.
Sixteen years of worry. Sixteen years of wondering. And 16 years of candelight vigils to remember the horrible anniversary.
It was Jan. 30, 1989 when Ilene Misheloff, then 13 years old, left Wells Middle School in Dublin at the end of the school day. Ilene, dressed in a charcoal-gray pullover polo sweater and horizontally striped pink-and-gray skirt, was supposed to go to the Dublin Iceland rink for her lesson that afternoon.
She never showed up at the rink.
Detective Mike Toms with the Dublin police, who has been in charge of the Mischeloff case for more than three years, said his department gets a lead on Ilene about every other month.
Mike and Maddi Misheloff have not given up hope of finding Ilene. They and two other volunteers still operate the Ilene Misheloff Recovery Effort out of an office on Village Parkway.
Every Wednesday between 10a.m. and 2 p.m. they send out fliers with Ilene's information and a picture of what she may look like today to law enforcement and fire departments throughout the United States and Canada. Last week they sent out 500 envelopes."
For more information, visit www.find-ilene.org (http://www.find-ilene.org/). Ilene Misheloff was 5 feet 3 inches tall and 115 pounds at the time of her disappearance. She has brown hair and brown eyes and wore braces on her teeth. Anyone with information is asked to call Dublin Police at 925-833-6670 or 1-800-635-6306, or the FBI at 415-553-7400.
A $95,000 reward is being offered.

CCD
02-06-2005, 10:28 PM
I don't know, the cases that haunt me the most are the ones involving children that would be my age today. I can't help but think as I make major milestones "They should be making these too, or at least there parents should be able to see them." I can't imagine what it must be like for the parents of these children, all that uncertainty. Well, here are the Cold Cases that Haunt Me Most(in no particular order)
Karen Grajeda : Missing in 1996 from Arizona
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/grajeda_karen.html

Thomas Gibson : Missing in 1991from Oregon
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gibson_thomas.html

Michael Hughes(most of you know about that twisted story)
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hughes_michael.html

Bryce Herda : Missing in 1995 from Washington
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/herda_bryce.html

Morgan Nick : Missing in 1995 from Arkansas
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nick_morgan.html

Randi Evers : Missing in 1992 from Nevada - Something doesn't sit right with me on this, someone knows something they're not saying
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/evers_randi.html

Corrine Erstad : This one bothers me the most, it sucks that they can't try Guevara again, but I got a theory once suggesting that her case and Leeanna Warner's case could be related. Whatever works for you
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/erstad_corrine.html

golfmom
02-07-2005, 11:58 AM
I haven't had a chance to read through the entire thread yet, but I wanted to weigh in with the cold case file that I still pray about.

Morgan Nick
At 10:45 p.m. on June 9, 1995 in Alma, Arkansas, six year old Morgan Nick was abducted from a little league ball game by an unidentified man. She was attending the game with her mother and had joined some friends to catch lightning bugs. Morgan was last seen standing near her mother's car where she had stopped to empty sand from her shoes.

emma l
02-08-2005, 06:01 AM
I think about Morgan all the time. I created a thread for her some time ago but I cant find it now. Morgans parents set up a foundation in her name and they believe Morgan is still alive. www.morgannick.com

Theres a letter from Morgans parents to her on the site and it broke my heart:
Dear Morgan,

We want you to know how special you are! You are a blessing we cannot live without. We feel cheated every day that goes by that we do not see your smile, hear your bubbly laughter or listen to your thoughts and ideas. We have never stopped believing that we will find you. We are saving all our hugs and kisses for you. Always know that you are loved. Most of all, don't ever give up. We will find you. We promise!

Love,
Mom and Dad

Prayers for Morgan and all missing children..........

sporto531
09-21-2005, 10:56 PM
The Sharin Morningstar Keenan case. In 1983, the 9yr old was abducted,molested , murdered and stuffed in a refridgerator in Toronto, Ont. She was found 10 days later, only a couple of house down the street from her home.Dennis Melvin Howe has been charged with first degree murder. He has never been caught. If you have any information regarding this case, please contact me at olivertrio@shaw.ca. Thank you. Todd

felder
09-23-2005, 01:39 AM
Bumping this thread. I wish they would solve this case. I am from St. Louis and remember this like it was yesterday. They have fingerprints. Here is an update from the St. Louis Major Case Squad on 11/17/04:

http://www.majorcasesquad.org/releaseb.asp?ID=265

"Angie was 9 years old when two deer hunters found her body in the August A. Busch Memorial Conservation Area. Angie had died from exposure. . .

Police responded to a wooded crime scene on Nov. 27, finding Angie's partially clothed body duct taped to a tree in St. Charles County. Someone had sexually abused the girl and left her to die. . .

St. Ann Police Chief Bob Schrader said investigators have used the best talent and the best technology to crack the Housman case, but to no avail.

"We haven't had that little bit of luck you need in every investigation," Schrader said. "At some point, you need to be in the right place at the right time, like overhearing somebody say something. That hasn't happened. This is a baffling case."

The problem is not a lack of evidence. Schrader said police found fingerprints on the adhesive side of the duct tape.

"We haven't found anyone who matches the fingerprints," he said. "This is not a case where we know who did it and can't prove it. If we had him, we could prove it."

Lt. Robert Boerding, of the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department, said local police make inquiries every time a similar crime occurs anywhere in the United States.

"We want to make sure there is not someone else out there continually preying on kids," Boerding said. "This person is still at large, so there is always a chance he is still preying on children. But it does not appear that he has the latest lead was 53-year-old Ronnie Johnson, a trucker accused of abducting a 13-year-old Illinois girl and leaving her to die in a manner similar to the Housman case.

"We found out that suspect was locked up at the time of the Housman crime," Schrader said.

Boerding said the leads in the Housman investigation fill about 20 binders, each 4 inches thick. Angie's photograph is on the cover of the first binder."



I just had to mention Angie Housmann on this thread. Hers is the most disturbing child abduction / murder case I have ever known of in my entire life.

Angie was found dead a short distance from where I live in a nature preserve area. She had been molested and tortured for days before being tied to a tree naked and left in the forest alone in freezing temperatures. Her clothes were in a bag nearby. Police believe she had been kept and tortured for about a week and then left in the forest for about 3 days & nights afterwards before she died - which by that time had to be a blessing for her. My husband used to be in law enforcement and one of the LE who was called to the scene when she was found (by hunters) told my husband that the things that had been done to this little girl were so horrible they could never be talked about.

She was just a sweet little girl who wanted to be everyone's friend. PLEASE read this article about Angie and remember her. It is just so sad. Periodically the local news does an update feature talking with her poor mother. My heart breaks for her. The monster who did this has never been caught.

[snip]
St. Louis, MO -- On Nov. 18, 1993, Angie Housman, a trusting fourth-grader, vanished after getting off her school bus up the street from her home. Nine days after her disappearance, a deer hunter found her body in a wooded area. Angie had been tied to a tree and died slowly of exposure.
She had been raped and tortured.

Police are nowhere near solving the case.

Detectives have tracked down more than 300 leads in their fruitless investigation into Angie's death. "If you're looking for a bunch of frustrated policeman, this is the place to come," said St. Louis Sgt. Riley Hughes, who is heading the Major Case effort.

"This is the most frustrating case I've encountered in my 30 1/2 years as a policeman."

[snip]
"It's our feeling she got in a car on her own," Hughes said. "She was starved for affection.
She told people, `I want to be your friend.' She was a little more trusting than many kids."

Another Major Case squad investigator added: "We've learned that Angie would meet you two or three times and you were her friend. We've been told that she'd go up to people and say,
`Hi. My name is Angie. Are you my friend?'

<http://www.kgl900.com/html/body_angie.htm>

crs4kds
09-23-2005, 11:02 AM
Marjorie West-1934, 3 y/o, stolen and adopted?
Sheila Fox-1944, 6 y/o
The Beaumont Children-1966

The cases of children that were from so long ago and is assumed that we will never know whatevery happened to them.

shadowangel
09-23-2005, 01:07 PM
There is thread about Marjorie West back in the pages of this Forum (page 6)...I would also add to this list the five missing Sodder children, who disappeared from a burning house in West Virginia in 1945 (page 7). The mother got out of the house with the youngest and two oldest children, but no trace of the other five was ever found. I strongly believe that the Orphanage industry, which was big business and made money for many people in the '30s and '40s, is to blame for many of these unexplained disappearances.

Breehannah6
09-25-2005, 01:49 AM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html

mysteriew
09-25-2005, 03:01 AM
I just started a thread on this case today:
16 yo Cheryl Fossyl Georgetown, Ohio She was taking law enforcement classes at the local vocational school. Her head was located in Adams County. Ohio and her torso was located in Brown County. Ohio. Still unsolved. Allegations of an offical coverup.

http://www.kdbs.us/help_the_children_link.htm


Carrie Culberson Blanchester, Ohio 24 yo disappeared in 1996 and presumed dead. Body has never been found. Boyfriend has convicted of the murder and his brother of helping to cover up the murder. A civil suit was filed against the city of Blanchester by the victim's mother for misconduct by the police chief in investigating the murder.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/index.html
http://www.justice4vinceandtracey.com/

The two cases are in adjoining counties: Brown County Ohio and Clinton County Ohio.

I just sent an email to dateline asking that they profile the Cheryl Fossyl case the other day. I was about the same age as she was. I lived everything she missed. Her killers have always been suspected- but according to rumor, there may be some coverup involved in her murder.

vanillasky
09-25-2005, 03:58 AM
A case that has haunted me for years is the disappearance of 9 year old Dorien Thomas. I lived in the Amarillo / Canyon, TX area at the time, and it's disturbing that this sweet little boy just vanished, and it doesn't seem like there will ever be any answers. It has received a bit of national attention (America's Most Wanted), but still no answers or viable leads. He was riding his bicycle, and they have never even been able to find the bike either. There was an appx. 24 hour delay in reporting him missing (I am not aware of the reason for this... presumably his family thought he was with a friend, I think) They do suspect foul play, and there's a possibility that the man who murdered the child in the bathroom in California is responsible because he may have been in the area at the time... I will never forget this little boy. :(

Some info & photos: (Use http://www.bugmenot.com for a username/password if prompted to register on any of these sites)

http://www.nampn.doenetwork.us/cases/thomas_dorien.html

http://amarillo.com/stories/112198/new_thomas.shtml

http://amarillo.com/stories/111898/new_search.shtml

http://www.pollyklaas.org/missing/kids/page.jsp?itemID=27044400



Another case that stays with me is someone I know... gone without a trace after all these years. He disappeared from Canyon, TX in '98 (Fred Moseley)... a gun was missing from his residence (supposedly suicidal), along with him & his vehicle... his vehicle (a black Neon) was found around the same day he was reported missing by his parents - but nothing of him has ever turned up. The FBI was involved, and they determined there was no foul play involved. Obviously, they know more than me, but I heard a lot of things around town at the time of his disappearance about what had really happened to Fred, however, no proof... just people talking. However, the talking always led back to the same person being involved in his death (if in fact a death really occured)... I know that person very well, and certainly wouldn't put it past them in doing something horrible like what was being said. I got in touch with one of the detectives not long ago to see if there was any update in his case, since I no longer live in TX and am no longer associated with the group of people who also knew Fred... and he said that Fred's father recently passed away (his parents were elderly), and they were expecting Fred to possibly show up at the funeral because they feel he is alive and well. However, he did not show up. I check weekly online hoping that his missing page is updated saying he has been found, one way or another.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M10/17/20013:01:24PM'

http://www.nampn.doenetwork.us/cases/moseley_fred.html

http://www.childsearch.org/fred_moseley.html



And finally... another case that stays with me is the disappearance of 3 females just before Christmas 1974 in Fort Worth, TX. I would have never known about this case, but I moved to Fort Worth in late '99 / early 2000... and was told about it by locals. It is disturbing to think that 3 girls can just disappear like that and never be found... as far as I know, this shopping center / mall - used to be a popular place... but when I lived in Ft. Worth.... it was definitely not a popular place, and I did not feel safe there... it was more of a run down area with just a few stores left, just off I-35.

Here is a great website dedicated to their disappearance. I think you'll be fascinated just like me after reading all about it. Coincidentally, one of the missing girls has the same last name as the person I wrote about above... Fred Moseley.

http://www.missingtrio.com/trio/

Mr. E
09-25-2005, 03:29 PM
Joseph Rodriguez, who disappeared in 1936 from NYC. His aunt received a note stating that he would be returned, that a doctor had said he "couldn't be moved." The boy was never returned. I wonder if he was hurt by accident, and someone feared getting into trouble, or if he was abducted, molested, and hurt at that time. I fear he probably died at that time, but who knows.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rodriguez_joseph.html

The John David Gosch case. I remember reading about it in papers and magazines when I was a kid; I was around the same age at that time, and it fascinated me. His parents separated; his mother has her theory about what happened and his father thinks she's crazy. I have a friend who lived in that area at that time and said both the parents were "weird," and she doesn't believe Johnny saw his 13th birthday.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gosch_john.html

Katherine and Robert Baskin -- I think it's very creepy that they haven't been heard from in all this time. It wasn't as if they were tiny babies that wouldn't remember a past life, either.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baskin_katharine.html

Nyleen Kay Marshall -- I believe she is still alive and probably has no idea who she really is.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/marshall_nyleen.html

The Fandel children -- It's just such a strange case.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fandel_scott.html

Jacob Wetterling because the circumstances surrounding his abduction are so bizarre.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wetterling_jacob.html

Other cases that haunt me are ones in which the missing person was spotted later. A boy who was abducted from his mother (I think), and there is a photo taken of him several years later; Clifford Sherwood, from Canada, who disappeared and some think died, but his mother claims his father had a picture of Clifford that had to have been taken after his disappearance; a boy from Canada who was spotted with a black male in (I think) Delaware; Sabrina Fair, whose photo picturing her looking so sad with her hair badly dyed black -- these things disturb me because it means these children are being kept either against their will or against their knowledge.

teonspaleprincess
09-25-2005, 03:41 PM
I doubt this would work as undoubtably kidnappers would take off the item. Anything in the skin would probably get ripped out (ouch!).

kitap

I doubt they would be able to see a small microchip like the ones vets put in your pets that contain identifying info. I would be all for it. I have 5 kids and I worry about something happening to them constantly.

teonspaleprincess
09-25-2005, 03:57 PM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html
The thing that stands out to me in the photos in the expression in the eyes. To me the girl does not look scared, but the little boy looks absolutely terrified. I am undecided if the picture is of Tara, I see a resemblance but there also seem to be some differences.

Mr. E
09-25-2005, 04:57 PM
I agree that the girl in the photo does not look scared, and that the boy is clearly terrified.

However, the girl does look, to me, angry and defiant. Maybe whatever is going on, she's just had enough.

Marilynilpa
09-26-2005, 01:11 PM
And finally... another case that stays with me is the disappearance of 3 females just before Christmas 1974 in Fort Worth, TX. I would have never known about this case, but I moved to Fort Worth in late '99 / early 2000... and was told about it by locals. It is disturbing to think that 3 girls can just disappear like that and never be found... as far as I know, this shopping center / mall - used to be a popular place... but when I lived in Ft. Worth.... it was definitely not a popular place, and I did not feel safe there... it was more of a run down area with just a few stores left, just off I-35.

Here is a great website dedicated to their disappearance. I think you'll be fascinated just like me after reading all about it. Coincidentally, one of the missing girls has the same last name as the person I wrote about above... Fred Moseley.

http://www.missingtrio.com/trio/
I was a senior in high school in 1974, living in Dallas, Texas, and I vividly remember the story about these three missing girls. My parents refused to let me go to the mall with my friends for months after this happened. I never realized that this was a cold case, I'd always assumed someone had been apprehended.

Does anyone know if any similar type of abduction/disappearance took place in Texas around that time? It seems to me that if someone is capable of abducting and (most likely) killing three youngs girls, he didn't just commit this one crime.

My college English teacher told us that the prevailing theme in most great literature is man's inhumanity to man. It does seem to be limitless, doesn't it?

Richard
09-26-2005, 01:48 PM
I was a senior in high school in 1974, living in Dallas, Texas, and I vividly remember the story about these three missing girls. My parents refused to let me go to the mall with my friends for months after this happened. I never realized that this was a cold case, I'd always assumed someone had been apprehended.

Does anyone know if any similar type of abduction/disappearance took place in Texas around that time? It seems to me that if someone is capable of abducting and (most likely) killing three youngs girls, he didn't just commit this one crime.

My college English teacher told us that the prevailing theme in most great literature is man's inhumanity to man. It does seem to be limitless, doesn't it?
Last December marked the 30th anniversary of that case. They are still missing and no one was ever apprehended or charged. There is another thread in this forum dedicated to those three girls.

Texas seems to have a lot of missing persons and Unexplained Disappearances. Check out the Doenetwork to see specifics on some of them.

Link:
http://www.doenetwork.org/

Usher737
09-27-2005, 04:10 PM
What an interesting case! I think it is safe to say someone approached the girls in the parking lot and perhaps someone one of them knew. It is hard to believe no solid witness emergered or bodies discovered.

michelle
09-27-2005, 05:23 PM
http://www.marylandmissing.com/pages/24/index.htm This is the link to a girl named tracie mosley that my friends and i went to school with and she has been missing ever since with no leads.......We dont think she ran away, we think she was abducted.....I think about her often and many of these other missing people i cant seem to ever get them out of my mind....its so sad...

Auggie21
09-27-2005, 05:57 PM
Derrick Engebretson. Can you imagine a more horrible twist of fate than to emerge from being lost in the woods only to be abducted by a child killer?

www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/engebretson_derrick.html (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/engebretson_derrick.html)

michelle
09-27-2005, 06:04 PM
Auggie, that is so sad!!

vanillasky
09-27-2005, 06:19 PM
Last December marked the 30th anniversary of that case. They are still missing and no one was ever apprehended or charged. There is another thread in this forum dedicated to those three girls.

Texas seems to have a lot of missing persons and Unexplained Disappearances. Check out the Doenetwork to see specifics on some of them.

Link:
http://www.doenetwork.org/

I will have to search and find that thread, would love to read it. Thank you!

Mr. E
09-28-2005, 11:31 AM
Does anybody have any more information on this case? I understand that it looked like he was picked up in the woods by a stranger. And wasn't there a clue some time later regarding some words written on a rest area bathroom wall?

upallnite
09-28-2005, 11:35 AM
The cold cases that haunt me the most are definately the Zodiac killins in California in the 70's and My own dear sister Jan's murder which was never even investigated.

Auggie21
09-28-2005, 01:37 PM
Does anybody have any more information on this case? I understand that it looked like he was picked up in the woods by a stranger. And wasn't there a clue some time later regarding some words written on a rest area bathroom wall?
The Oregonian did a multi-page story on the family and how it has been coping all these years. It appeared last year, but I can't get a link to it because the Oregonian's archives are pay-per-view. It included the information about the bathroom, but, and this is my rusty memory, I think it was discounted.


Here is an article I found on another web-site. BTW, sadly to say, I think the other child who survived Milligan's attack recently died in a car crash.


Convict is prime suspect in boy's disappearance Police think a notorious state pedophile picked up a Bonanza 8-year-old in '98
Oregonian - Saturday, November 13, 2004
MICHELLE ROBERTS

An Oregon man who is serving 30 years in prison for abducting, raping and slashing the throat of a 10-year-old Dallas boy in 2000 is the prime suspect in the disappearance of an 8-year-old boy who vanished in 1998 during a family Christmas tree hunt, The Oregonian has learned.

Derrick Engebretson, a Bonanza third-grader, was searching for a Christmas tree with his father and grandfather on Dec. 5, 1998, when he wandered away in the snowy mountains above Upper Klamath Lake. His disappearance led to a massive search with dogs, snowmobiles and hundreds of volunteers. He was never found.

For years, it was feared that the child had frozen to death in a snowstorm. But law enforcement officials now say they think Engebretson found his way to the roadside, where he was picked up by a man who would later become the state's most notorious pedophile, Frank J.Milligan, 36.

"He is a suspect," said Oregon State Police Detective Ken Pecyna.

Other high-ranking law enforcement officials confirm that Milligan is the lead suspect.

In July 2001, Milligan pleaded guilty to charges of attempted murder, kidnapping, sodomy and sexual abuse after he lured a 10-year-old boy at a Dallas park in 2000 into his black Honda Civic by offering the child $100 to mow his lawn.

Milligan raped and strangled the boy, slashed his throat and left him for dead. The child survived. At the time of the attack, Milligan was out on bail in a sexual assault case of an 11-year-old boy in Seaside.

Milligan surfaced as a person of interest in the Engebretson disappearance after a fellow inmate said claimed that Milligan had bragged about abducting and killing Derrick Engebretson, sources close to the case told The Oregonian.

When confronted, Milligan, who by then faced 36 years behind bars, confessed to killing murdering Engebretson and agreed to lead detectives to the place where he claimed to have buried the boy's body, law enforcement sources said.

But nothing was found, and Milligan later recanted the confession, according to police and Engebretson's family.

"He took them to the spot where he said he had buried the body, then he didn't do much to help them find it," said Lori Engebretson, Derrick's mother. "He said, 'Well, I guess I don't know where it's at. It was night, dark, and I was trying to hurry.'"

Based on evidence found at the scene, family members think believe Derrick was making a snow angel near the road and was abducted by someone who happened to be driving by. "We think it was a crime of opportunity," Lori Engebretson said.

One witness reported seeing a man struggle with a boy near the road but didn't stop because he assumed that the man and they boy were father and son, she said.

Police have never before publicly identified Milligan as a the suspect. In 2002, they announced only that they were investigating a tip that Engebretson might have been abducted by a man driving a black Honda automobile.

The man, they said, was seen near where the boy disappeared and might have been seen struggling with him, but police declined further comment about the tip or the tipster.

At the time, police also released a photo of a black Honda parked in front of a white ranch-style house. The Oregonian, however, obtained from court records in another case an original copy of that photo that includes Milligan, meaning law enforcement officials had used a computer program to erase him from the one released in connection with the search.

The Oregonian learned of Milligan's alleged involvement in the Engebretson case while researching a story about child sex abuse on the children's ward of the Oregon State Hospital in Salem. Milligan, a longtime state worker, was a psychiatric aide on the children's ward from 1994 to 1997.

A law enforcement official said police suspected that Milligan molested at least one Ward 40 child - and that he was the prime suspect in the Engebretson case.

Other law enforcement officials close to the case later confirmed Milligan's status as the main suspect in Engebretson's disappearance.

Contacted Friday, one of the lead detectives in the case said he could not comment on specifics.

Milligan "has not been charged with any crime regarding this, so it would be premature for me to say anything," Pecyna of the state police said.

"If a person ever gets charged with this, I want to make sure it gets done right," he said. "I don't want to say anything to hamper that."

Milligan, who is three years into a 36-year sentence for the cases involving the Dallas and Seaside boys, will be eligible for parole in 2037, when he is 69 years old. Fearing that Oregon inmates would harm him, Department of Corrections officials have transferred him to a prison in another state.

State police are asking anyone with information about the case to phone them at 1-800-452-7888.

JDB
09-28-2005, 03:38 PM
OHH how well I remeber this one. I live in the Bay area. IMHO she was and is not a runaway. Then you had Michela Gerhardt (I know I spelled that one wrong)She was taken from a grocery store just a few miles where I grew up. To this day no leads what so ever.


I just wonder. Ilene disapperance happened in 1989. I am still trying to recall when Michella went miising .I wonder if someone can dig up Jed (UTAH) time line. WAs he in the Bay area during this time?

*02
09-29-2005, 12:43 PM
I'm not sure if this is a cold case or not, but when I was a kid, early 80's, I remember a story of a torso being found in a ditch about 4 miles from the farm we were living on in the Texas panhandle. A few weeks later more of the woman's body parts were found at an airport, maybe her arms and legs- I can't recall for sure. If I remeber right I don't think they ever found her head. I have tried searching the net for info and archives of papers but I don't find anything. Anyone have any ideas?

shadowangel
09-29-2005, 12:56 PM
Jodieo-Mind givinig us the closest town or the PD who probably investigated?

As far as haunting goes, I would have to say the case of Princess Doe...I have visited her grave and the words on her marker are so sad, so devoid of any hope..."Dead Among Strangers". I want so desperately to be able to change that.

*02
09-29-2005, 01:35 PM
Shadowangel, it would have been Plainview, TX

Masterj
09-29-2005, 04:28 PM
I have been haunted for years by the case of Dail Dinwiddie who disappeared from Columbia, SC in 1992. That year I visited USC's campus, as it was one of the school's I planned to apply to. I remember seeing Dail's pictures in the bookstores and all over campus. I also remembered seeing her face on a billboard when we continued on our trip to Clemson.

I will never forget her face and I hope that one day her family will have answers as to what happened to their beautiful daughter.

Alta
09-30-2005, 12:28 PM
Some Canadian disappearances that haunt me.

Carolyn Pruyser missing from Peace River Alberta since May 1984.I went to school with her,no traces have ever been found of her.
http://www.childfind.ab.ca/prog_cases.htm
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/705dfab.html

Corey Braun missing from Peace River Alberta since November 21,2004.No trace has yet been found of this man.
http://www.prrecordgazette.com/story.php?id=129823

Shelly Anne Bacsu missing from Hinton Alberta since May 1983.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/28dfab.html

Tania Murrell missing from Edmonton Alberta since January 1983.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/42dfab.html

Rhonda Running Bird.Missing since 1995 from Rocky Mountain House Alberta.
http://www.geocities.com/missingrhondarunningbird/missing.html

Tamra Keepness since July 5,2004 from Regina Saskatchewan.
http://childsearch.us/site4/tamra_keepness.html
http://primetimecrime.com/Recent/Murder/Tamra%20Keepness.htm

*02
09-30-2005, 12:38 PM
I'm not sure if this is a cold case or not, but when I was a kid, early 80's, I remember a story of a torso being found in a ditch about 4 miles from the farm we were living on in the Texas panhandle. A few weeks later more of the woman's body parts were found at an airport, maybe her arms and legs- I can't recall for sure. If I remeber right I don't think they ever found her head. I have tried searching the net for info and archives of papers but I don't find anything. Anyone have any ideas?
Okay, I found this on the Amarillo Globe News webiste about Henry Lee Lucas- he later recanted the confessions:

In the mid-1980s, Lucas pleaded guilty to the April 26, 1981, death of Dianna Lynn Bryant of Brownfield and the Dec. 19, 1982, death of Glenna Biggers of Petersburg. He received a 75-year sentence in the Brownfield case and a life sentence in the Petersburg case.

He now claims that he pleaded guilty to both cases at the request of Williamson County Sheriff Jim Boutwell, who died several years ago, and Texas Rangers who were members of a task force investigating his confessions.

"They wanted something to back up the death sentence, so they had me plead to cases," he said last week inside a cage at the Ellis Unit.

Lucas also confessed to three previously unsolved murders in Lubbock - the deaths of Naomi Miller Martin on Jan. 31, 1971, Debra Sue Williamson on Aug. 24, 1975, and Elizabeth Ann Price on April 10, 1976. He was indicted in all three cases, but the charges later were dropped when evidence showed he could not have been in Lubbock when the murders occurred. Last week, he stood by his denials of involvement in the three cases.

No one has been arrested for the killings.

Lucas also confessed to five other South Plains murders - the deaths of Lynn Hall Gray on March 18, 1980, in Abilene; Beverly Joyce Luttrell on March 13, 1981, in Odessa; anunidentified female (her headless body was found near Plainview on Jan. 28, 1982) ; Happy Howry on April 25, 1982, in Big Spring; and Herman Junior Brooks in 1982 in Odessa.

In eastern New Mexico, Lucas confessed to the deaths of Elizabeth Faye Bull on July 24, 1978, in San Juan; Barbara Ellen Begley on April 18, 1982, in an oil field near Hobbs; and Jean Alba on Oct. 10, 1982, in Quay County. In those cases he also maintains his innocence.

Lucas said West Texas law-enforcement agencies accepted his confessions to cover their ineptness and, in some cases, to cover the botched autopsies of former Lubbock pathologist Dr. Ralph Erdmann, much of whose work was later discredited.

"Out there (in West Texas), you can do anything and get away with it," he said. "They don't investigate cases. They had some guy out there doing autopsies that was putting the wrong heads on bodies."

Jackie Peoples, a retired Texas Ranger who was involved in Lubbock County confessions, laughed while scoffing at Lucas' assessment of law enforcement officers.

"Look at who you are talking to and where he is at," Peoples said. "That's my only comment. If you believe him, that's your problem. If the people of this area believe him, that's their problem. But that's my only comment."

Last week, Lucas told how he knew so much about the murders in West Texas and eastern New Mexico.

"I was given access to files I shouldn't have been given access to," he said. "At nighttime, the Rangers would leave, and the sheriff (Boutwell) would open the door to the office and just let me go in there and read (the files). I was doing it behind their backs. I'd try to give the information back to them when they came in to talk to me. Some I got right and some I didn't."

Boutwell encouraged the hoax, Lucas said.


http://amarillo.com/stories/062298/new_lucas.shtml (link for whole story- registration required)

So, at least this confirms that I'm not crazy, but now I wonder even more who she was and if it is considered solved?

*02
09-30-2005, 12:50 PM
I found another story that says she was found on 2/16/82?

vanillasky
09-30-2005, 01:09 PM
I'm not sure if this is a cold case or not, but when I was a kid, early 80's, I remember a story of a torso being found in a ditch about 4 miles from the farm we were living on in the Texas panhandle. A few weeks later more of the woman's body parts were found at an airport, maybe her arms and legs- I can't recall for sure. If I remeber right I don't think they ever found her head. I have tried searching the net for info and archives of papers but I don't find anything. Anyone have any ideas?


What a small world - I recall this story as well, but I don't remember any more than you do about it.

*02
09-30-2005, 01:51 PM
What a small world - I recall this story as well, but I don't remember any more than you do about it.
Really is pretty small isn't it-

I have searched and searched and come up with a few things.
2 different dates as to when she was found- one is 1/28/82 and the other is 2/16/82.
Henry Lee Lucas confessed to her murder- said she was a hitch hiker he picked up around Abilene, TX but he later recanted.
She was laid to rest in Plainview on 7/23/93, still unidentified.
I've been on the DOE network and the Texas DPS unidentified and don't see anything on either. Have come up with all kinds of crazy stuff in my searches but nothing pertaining to her.
I sent an email to a reporter for the Plainview Daily Herald who covered most of the stories on Lucas to see if they ever did make an ID on her.

vanillasky
09-30-2005, 06:37 PM
Great! I hope you hear back from the reporter... definitely post if you do!

IdahoMom
10-02-2005, 03:28 PM
Does anyone remember the case of the young boy who went missing in the mountains with his father and grandfather? It occurred several years ago. If I remember right, they went to the mountains to get a Christmas tree (?). I can't remember what state this happened in, either.

The boy went missing in the deep snow. Seems they were by a lake. The grandfather was supposed to watch the boy for a bit while the Dad wasgone. He lost track of the boy somehow...

The Dad returned to the mountains for months, looking for his boy.

Thanks in advance for your help.

ETA:
I changed the words I have been googling a little bit, and found this. This is him:
http://www.searchonek9.org/news/11132004_engelbretson.shtml

IdahoMom
10-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Sweet Derrick Engebretson:

http://egov.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/engebretson_derrick.shtml

------
I found this on the FindCarrie website:

~snip~


...Lori and Robert Engebretson shout into the trees.

"Derrick!"

The word hangs in the air, echoing off the flanks of Pelican Butte.

They know their son will not answer. But they need to call his name in the same way they need to breathe.

"Derrick!"

Six years have passed since the boy disappeared from this spot, a densely wooded mountainside above Upper Klamath Lake.

Derrick would be 14 now. But the eyes peering out from a poster nailed to a nearby tree are still those of an 8-year-old. The weather has all but destroyed the image, erasing the smile the boy wore when the third-grade photo was taken.

It was snowing hard that December night six years ago. Robert remembers how his son's footprints led back to the road, then vanished.

Hundreds came to search for him with snowmobiles, dogs and helicopters. Hours turned into days, then weeks. Eventually, only Robert and Lori remained. Torn by guilt and recrimination, they returned to the mountain again and again, calling for their child as they scanned the forest for his bones. Gripped by their obsession, they slid into a kind of suspended animation, drifting through life with no direction, no thought for the future.

For years, they returned to the mountain every weekend, retracing steps over ground they'd walked hundreds of times. They found nothing, not the small hatchet Derrick had carried that day or a shred of his blue snowsuit.

Authorities insisted that Derrick had wandered off into the woods and died, that animals had scattered his remains. But the Engebretsons never really believed that, and a compulsion took over their world. They came back to the mountain because it was the only thing they could do.

In their hearts they knew somebody had taken their son. They always had.

During the search, a witness said he'd seen a man struggling with a boy along a nearby highway. And Derrick had been missing for only a few hours when Lori called her mother. Lori's intuition told her Derrick was gone.

"He's not here," she remembers crying.

Her mother had tried to reassure her. Of course, he's there. You'll find him before morning.

"No, Mom," Lori remembers insisting. "He's not here. We're not going to find him on this mountain.

"Somebody took him."

"I thought he was with you"

They hadn't planned to go to the woods that year. Lori had somehow talked Robert, an enthusiastic outdoorsman who always looked forward to the family's annual Christmas tree hunt, into getting an artificial pine. Less mess, she'd said.

But when a disabled neighbor asked for help getting a real tree, Robert didn't hesitate.

The afternoon of Dec. 5, 1998, Robert; his 64-year-old father, Bob; and Derrick set out for the woods on the flank of Pelican Butte, about 30 miles from downtown Klamath Falls.

As Bob's red Toyota pickup climbed the Westside Road, Robert remembers telling his father they'd have to make it quick. It was already after 2 p.m., and it would be dark shortly after 4.

Bob pulled onto a turnout at Milepost 12. Robert helped Derrick wiggle into his snowsuit, and the three of them started up an embankment into the ponderosa pines. Robert remembers walking ahead, telling Derrick to stay with his grandfather.

But the boy scrambled through the snow, annoying Bob by chopping on small trees with his hatchet. Derrick told Bob he wanted to catch up with his dad. The grandfather eventually relented.

~snip~

IdahoMom
10-02-2005, 03:55 PM
I did a search on boys missing in Oregon. Alot of these boys are pretty similar to little Derrick. I wonder if the man suspected of taking Derrick is responsible for any of the other boys:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet

Share-in
10-02-2005, 11:55 PM
I just wonder. Ilene disapperance happened in 1989. I am still trying to recall when Michella went miising .I wonder if someone can dig up Jed (UTAH) time line. WAs he in the Bay area during this time?
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Hi JDB!
I remember very well these abductions, as I lived in Pleasanton during these frightful times and my children were young. My son and Michaela (sp) Garrett would have been the same age today, 27. I'm guessing, but I think her abduction took place around 1985 (she would have been 7 years old). She was kidnapped in front of a convenience store in Hayward, CA. She and her little friend parked their bikes and went into the store and when she came out a man in a car had her bike. She ran over to get it, and that's when he took her. Just like that! Never to be heard of again.

This is my recollection: Ilene Misheloff (sp) was abducted in Dublin, CA. in January~mid 80's. She and her brother were twins. She was walking home from school and was going to the Dublin Ice Rink. I guess this was her routine, as she would practice her ice skating after school. There's a "medium street divider" that she would have to cross, and on the other side of that is the ice rink. There was something about someone in a van at the stop light that might have abducted her, but really no one knows exactly what happened to her. She just disappeared. She was NOT a runaway.
I would sometimes see her mom, dad, and brother around town. I felt so sorry for them all.

And still another one that happened in Pleasnton, CA in the late 70's early 80's. A young girl (freshman) was walking home from Foothill High School,as a lot of kids would take a "short cut" home through a field that was behind the school. Someone found Tina/ Terry (?) Ferril(?) (I can't remember her name) dead in a field and all of her papers and books were scattered. Again, another case unsolved.

The police at one time thought the person that might have done these killing was dead. Who knows??? I'll never forget them...

Tristan
10-03-2005, 03:22 AM
Does anyone know about this case: I was watching a TV show (don't remember which one) that was explaining why some cases get MUCH more
media coverage than others. (age of victim, girls more than boys, whether they're attractive or not, etc.)

Anyway, they had a story on a young girl (about 18 or 19) who was in San Francisco and she disapeared into thin air. Totally vanished without a trace.
I think her family has a website set up.

For some reason, this case just haunted me. This girl had no reason to run away...they suspect foul play.

Anyone know her name?

Richard
10-03-2005, 10:11 AM
[QUOTE=Share-in....I remember very well these abductions, as I lived in Pleasanton during these frightful times ...Michaela (sp) Garrett ... was kidnapped in front of a convenience store in Hayward, CA.

This is my recollection: Ilene Misheloff (sp) was abducted in Dublin, CA. in January~mid 80's. ... She just disappeared. She was NOT a runaway.

And still another one that happened in Pleasnton, CA in the late 70's early 80's. A young girl (freshman) was walking home from Foothill High School,as a lot of kids would take a "short cut" home through a field that was behind the school. Someone found Tina/ Terry (?) Ferril(?) (I can't remember her name) dead in a field and all of her papers and books were scattered. Again, another case unsolved.

The police at one time thought the person that might have done these killing was dead. Who knows??? I'll never forget them...[/QUOTE]--------------------------------------------------------------

Michaela Joy Garecht, 9 years old, was abducted in front of witnesses at 10:15AM on 19 November 1988 from the parking lot of the Rainbow Market in Hayward, CA.

ILene Misheloff was 13 years old and disappeared on Monday, 30 January 1989 from Dublin, CA while on her way home from School, shortly after 2:30PM.

Another girl who is still missing from about that time was Amber Jean Swartz-Garcia, age 10. She disappeared about 4:00 PM on 3 June 1988 from the front yard of her home in Pinole, CA.

They are just three of several California girls whose cases have not been solved.

*02
10-03-2005, 10:19 AM
Great! I hope you hear back from the reporter... definitely post if you do!
I heard back from the reporter, he told me to contact the current JP, she was a clerk in the JP office at the time of the burial. They both attended the service. He didn't give me any more than that. I called the JPs office and left a message with her secretary late Friday afternoon and have not heard back yet.

camracrazy
10-03-2005, 11:32 AM
Does anyone know about this case: I was watching a TV show (don't remember which one) that was explaining why some cases get MUCH more
media coverage than others. (age of victim, girls more than boys, whether they're attractive or not, etc.)

Anyway, they had a story on a young girl (about 18 or 19) who was in San Francisco and she disapeared into thin air. Totally vanished without a trace.
I think her family has a website set up.

For some reason, this case just haunted me. This girl had no reason to run away...they suspect foul play.

Anyone know her name?
Are you talking about Kristen Modafferi?

http://www.findkristen.com/Index.html

LinasK
10-04-2005, 03:53 AM
[QUOTE=Share-in....I remember very well these abductions, as I lived in Pleasanton during these frightful times ...Michaela (sp) Garrett ... was kidnapped in front of a convenience store in Hayward, CA.

This is my recollection: Ilene Misheloff (sp) was abducted in Dublin, CA. in January~mid 80's. ... She just disappeared. She was NOT a runaway.

And still another one that happened in Pleasnton, CA in the late 70's early 80's. A young girl (freshman) was walking home from Foothill High School,as a lot of kids would take a "short cut" home through a field that was behind the school. Someone found Tina/ Terry (?) Ferril(?) (I can't remember her name) dead in a field and all of her papers and books were scattered. Again, another case unsolved.

The police at one time thought the person that might have done these killing was dead. Who knows??? I'll never forget them...--------------------------------------------------------------

Michaela Joy Garecht, 9 years old, was abducted in front of witnesses at 10:15AM on 19 November 1988 from the parking lot of the Rainbow Market in Hayward, CA.

ILene Misheloff was 13 years old and disappeared on Monday, 30 January 1989 from Dublin, CA while on her way home from School, shortly after 2:30PM.

Another girl who is still missing from about that time was Amber Jean Swartz-Garcia, age 10. She disappeared about 4:00 PM on 3 June 1988 from the front yard of her home in Pinole, CA.

They are just three of several California girls whose cases have not been solved.[/QUOTE]
Requoting myself:
Update from Contra Costa Times:

"More than 16 years have passed since Mike and Maddi Misheloff last saw their daughter.
Sixteen years of worry. Sixteen years of wondering. And 16 years of candelight vigils to remember the horrible anniversary.
It was Jan. 30, 1989 when Ilene Misheloff, then 13 years old, left Wells Middle School in Dublin at the end of the school day. Ilene, dressed in a charcoal-gray pullover polo sweater and horizontally striped pink-and-gray skirt, was supposed to go to the Dublin Iceland rink for her lesson that afternoon.
She never showed up at the rink.
Detective Mike Toms with the Dublin police, who has been in charge of the Mischeloff case for more than three years, said his department gets a lead on Ilene about every other month.
Mike and Maddi Misheloff have not given up hope of finding Ilene. They and two other volunteers still operate the Ilene Misheloff Recovery Effort out of an office on Village Parkway.
Every Wednesday between 10a.m. and 2 p.m. they send out fliers with Ilene's information and a picture of what she may look like today to law enforcement and fire departments throughout the United States and Canada. Last week they sent out 500 envelopes."
For more information, visit www.find-ilene.org (http://www.find-ilene.org/). Ilene Misheloff was 5 feet 3 inches tall and 115 pounds at the time of her disappearance. She has brown hair and brown eyes and wore braces on her teeth. Anyone with information is asked to call Dublin Police at 925-833-6670 or 1-800-635-6306, or the FBI at 415-553-7400.
A $95,000 reward is being offered
Mystery Momma, Yes I know something about this case, I live in the area. Her name I believe is spelled Ilene Mischeloff. She was abducted walking between school/home and Dublin Iceland. She was never classified as a runaway. She is believed to be a victim of foul play. Her mother still holds candlelight vigils for her and her missing posters can still be found in a few storefronts in Dublin.
There was a murdering couple (James Daveggio & Michelle Michaud) just a couple of years ago that abducted and killed a Phillipino woman from Pleasanton walking on her way to work and dumped her body near Lake Tahoe. They grabbed her off the street and tortured her in their van. They are suspects in the disappearance of Ilene Mischeloff.:twocents:

vanillasky
10-04-2005, 04:03 AM
I heard back from the reporter, he told me to contact the current JP, she was a clerk in the JP office at the time of the burial. They both attended the service. He didn't give me any more than that. I called the JPs office and left a message with her secretary late Friday afternoon and have not heard back yet.

Hopefully she will get back to you soon, that's a start!

Shadow205
10-04-2005, 06:00 PM
This case haunts me.(One of several) Carolyn's husband and the father of the children, James Michael Brown(a school teacher)admitted to killing them all and gave details. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity by mental defect!

Sheketa, her mother Carolyn (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/925dffl.html) and her two brothers, Barry Michael Brown (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/225dmfl.html) and Brandon Mitchell Brown (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/226dmfl.html), disappeared from Port St. Lucie, Florida on July 16, 1985.
James Michael Brown, the father of the Brown children and the husband of Caroline, confessed to murdering all four of the victims. James stated that he killed Caroline and Brandon first, placing their bodies somewhere near West Palm Beach, Florida. James claimed that he then drove to Georgia and murdered Sheketa and Barry, placing their bodies somewhere along Interstate 95. No sign of any of the victims has been discovered.
James was found not guilty of four counts of murder by reason of insanity by mental defect in late 1985. A court-appointed psychiatrist diagnosed him as paranoid schitzophrenic. James claimed he was hearing voices in his head at the time of the murders, something which has continued in the years proceeding the killings as well. He was committed to a mental hospital in Florida after being found not guilty and was moved to a halfway house in 1996. James was released from the halfway house in 1997, but was under investigation for exhibiting psychotic behavior after his initial release. The decision concerning his return to the halfway house was pending in 1998.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/250dffl.html

mere
10-04-2005, 08:31 PM
The case that haunts me the most is that of Carolyn Majane. Carolyn was 15 years old in 1975 and disappeared into thin air while hanging out with her friends on Main Street in Moorestown New Jersey. As far as I know there are no answers to what happened that night. She was presumed a runaway, as almost all disappearances were in those days. It was not until ten years later that her skeletal remains were uncovered across the street from my house. It seems to me that there are a lot of answers out there in regards to what happened to Carolyn. I know that really no proper investigation was ever done.



(I have copied a piece of an article I have on this)



Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA)

January 12, 1986

GRIM TIDINGS FOR PARENTS OF MISSING GIRL, THE LONG VIGIL ENDS

Author: Edward Power, Inquirer Staff Writer

Edition: FINAL
Section: LOCAL
Page: B01

Index Terms:
MISSING PERSON NJ FOUND

Estimated printed pages: 7

Article Text:

Nighttime in Moorestown, Aug. 22, 1975, and Diane Pearson, then 17, has just come home from her summer job. She grabs her parents' car keys and rushes back out, missing by minutes a telephone call from one of her best friends, Carolyn Majane, 15.

"I know some people said she was uptown," Pearson recalls today. "We heard she was walking down Main Street with some younger girls."

In another Moorestown home, Susan Norwood, also then 17, has decided to stay in rather than meet up with her best friend, who had telephoned earlier. That friend was Carolyn Majane.

"I think there was a lot more they could have done," Norwood recalled. ''I don't know much about police procedure, but I think at the time they said, 'Listen, we can't do anything right now. We don't have enough men.' They just didn't seem too concerned."

On that same summer night at around 9 p.m., Elizabeth Majane drives two of her children to meet friends at a nea! rby store, then returns home to her husband, John. One of those children is her only daughter, Carolyn.

"She wanted to go downtown," John Majane recalled. "I didn't want her to go. There had been an altercation in town the night before. Some kids had ended up in the emergency room."

"I think maybe we had a false sense of security," Elizabeth Majane said, ''a sense that it was a safe, wonderful little town and nothing ever happened there."

But something did happen to Carolyn Majane.

Mel1024
10-04-2005, 11:22 PM
A cold case that haunts me is Jennifer Odom. At one point it looked like they were trying to connect it to Joseph P Smith but I guess it did not connect.
Here is the link: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/odom.asp
I wish this case could be solved. Is anyone else familar with this case?

kylie
10-06-2005, 12:55 AM
Why the hell didn't the kids say something??? That bugs me...Didn't the bus driver notice anything???

Mel1024
10-06-2005, 01:14 AM
I know I thought the same thing if I were a bus driver and saw a truck following one of the students i left off being followed i stop again. But this was 1993 and maybe the driver didn't notice and the kids never thought anything like this. i just can't believe it has not been solved and i really thought Joseph P Smith may be the one but I guess not.
I know it bugs me too. I wish one of them did tell the driver. It just breaks my heart all the cases do. The way she was found and then her stuff being found so much later. I still think Smith who is responsible for Carlie Brucia. He had other crimes in this same are which is not far from me or Sarasota. I decided to bring her back thru cold cases who knows just maybe someone will see it and know something.

mere
10-11-2005, 02:07 PM
Richard put this list together on the Edna Thorne thread. I added Carolyn to the list.


Sheila and Katherine Lyon on 25 March 1975 from Wheaton, MD,
Steven Anderson and David Williams on 7 April 1975 from New Lisbon, NJ,
Wendy Eaton on 17 May 1975 from Media, PA,
Edna Christine Thorne on 24 June 1975 from Philadelphia, PA
Tracy Anne King on 8 July 1975 from Littlestown, PA,
Kathy Lynn Beatty on 24 July 1975 from Wheaton, MD
Carolyn Majane on 22 August 1975 from Moorestown New Jersey

Could these be connected?

mere
10-12-2005, 07:47 PM
Unidentified White Female discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands New Jersey. She has been estimated to be at that location from between 1970-1975. Have any of you ever thought who she might be?

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/20ufnj.html

coco
10-16-2005, 12:34 PM
Shadowangel, I would love to be able to visit Princess Doe's grave. That case has bothered me for such a long time.

This is totally off the topic but its been driving me mad so I will say it anyway, Remeber the Linda Sobek murder, well when they were searching for her body in LA nat park, remember how they also stumbled upon another body also of a model who had been murdered before Linda? Does anyone happen to know the name of this other Woman Its just that it has been driving me nuts and I can't seem to find any info...

Another case that haunts me... The Keddie resort murders.

smile22
10-16-2005, 02:28 PM
im looking for connections in the janice pockett case she went missing at the age of 7 in 1973 in tolland ct. she was riding her bike there is a thread on her case. It has haunted me since i got involved in missing persons its a case i want to solve. im looking for connections such as young girls ones who were alone at the time of the abduction. ones who were riding bikes. ones with charateristics that stand out such as hair has a mole on face teeth problems ( janice had a gap in her front teeth). i have little info on suspects only that some sick old man who killed a girl confessed to her murder as well as the murder of andy puglies who went missing a few years later in mass which was i belive less than an hr away no bodys were found. old man was insane and rulled out his story i guess based on news paper info

mere
10-21-2005, 02:33 PM
Shadowangel, I would love to be able to visit Princess Doe's grave. That case has bothered me for such a long time.

This is totally off the topic but its been driving me mad so I will say it anyway, Remeber the Linda Sobek murder, well when they were searching for her body in LA nat park, remember how they also stumbled upon another body also of a model who had been murdered before Linda? Does anyone happen to know the name of this other Woman Its just that it has been driving me nuts and I can't seem to find any info...

Another case that haunts me... The Keddie resort murders.
http://www.keddiemurders.com/page/page/2313567.htm

The message board on this site has some interesting information.

shadowangel
10-25-2005, 01:50 PM
After watching ABC Family Channel's Scariest PLaces on Earth over the weekend, I started looking into a place known as Lake Shawnee, a supposedly haunted amusement park. Instead of articles about this place, I found something else that has me wondering...
In late November, 1968, little Julie Rodriguez, 7, and her friend, 6 year-old Darleen Copensky, went missing from Rockaway Township, NJ. A large-scale search of the area began. The two girls were later found, dead, by Darleen's uncle---less than 150 feet from Julie's home. The girls had been beaten to death with a "boulder" found nearby. The girls were clothed, and there was no immediate sign of molestation. There are no other mentions of the murders in the archives, nor could I find any mention when I googled their names.
This report reminded me of another recent case, the details of which I can't remember, involving two young girls. I believe the father found them after a search, but as it turns out he murdered them. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I have to wonder if the uncle of Darleen was ever looked at in that case....

By the way, the NJ State Police Missing/UID website was finally updated, so I resubmitted Leah Jean Van Schoick as a possible match for Princess Doe. Back to waiting...

smile22
10-25-2005, 01:57 PM
do u have any info on the amusment park i love a good haunting.

Auggie21
10-25-2005, 02:37 PM
After watching ABC Family Channel's Scariest PLaces on Earth over the weekend, I started looking into a place known as Lake Shawnee, a supposedly haunted amusement park. Instead of articles about this place, I found something else that has me wondering...
In late November, 1968, little Julie Rodriguez, 7, and her friend, 6 year-old Darleen Copensky, went missing from Rockaway Township, NJ. A large-scale search of the area began. The two girls were later found, dead, by Darleen's uncle---less than 150 feet from Julie's home. The girls had been beaten to death with a "boulder" found nearby. The girls were clothed, and there was no immediate sign of molestation. There are no other mentions of the murders in the archives, nor could I find any mention when I googled their names.
This report reminded me of another recent case, the details of which I can't remember, involving two young girls. I believe the father found them after a search, but as it turns out he murdered them. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I have to wonder if the uncle of Darleen was ever looked at in that case....

By the way, the NJ State Police Missing/UID website was finally updated, so I resubmitted Leah Jean Van Schoick as a possible match for Princess Doe. Back to waiting...
Laura Hobbs and Krystal Tobias in Zion Illinois

Shadow205
10-25-2005, 03:07 PM
do u have any info on the amusment park i love a good haunting.
try this http://www.pbase.com/kstuebin/hauntedamusementpark

Susan Shock
10-27-2005, 12:36 AM
The case that haunts me is from Vancouver British Columbia. The skeletal remains of two children were found in Stanley Park. They had apparently been there since about 1947. At first they were thought to be a boy and a girl. Thanks to modern forensics however they are now known to be both boys. And they were murdered. It is just such a tragic case, very haunting. It is listed on the Doe Network. I first heard about it on Cold Case Files.

laini
10-30-2005, 05:50 AM
I was going to start a new thread but decided to put this here. Hope somebody might be able to add something on these cases...


www.doenetwork.us/cases/295ufwa.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/295ufwa.html)

An unidentified baby girl (?24 months) found in water, and unidentified woman nearby possibly her mother, also pregnant. So sad. At least they are together now. We just don't know who they are.



The other one is...
www.doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html)

unidentified female pregnant with full term pregnancy. Someone must know who she is.


I am surprised how many unidentified and missing people were pregnant, sometimes in third trimester.

docwho3
10-30-2005, 04:04 PM
I was going to start a new thread but decided to put this here. Hope somebody might be able to add something on these cases...


www.doenetwork.us/cases/295ufwa.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/295ufwa.html)

An unidentified baby girl (?24 months) found in water, and unidentified woman nearby possibly her mother, also pregnant. So sad. At least they are together now. We just don't know who they are.



The other one is...
www.doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html)

unidentified female pregnant with full term pregnancy. Someone must know who she is.


I am surprised how many unidentified and missing people were pregnant, sometimes in third trimester.
I looked at the grown woman info this morning and I found that she had ink writing on her hand that was 'WSR57 or WSR54 or WSR44 or WSR47'
WSR57 is the designation for a weather service radar that went into use in the 1960's up to the about '91. Since she was found in 1976 and had evidently died within 12 hours of being found since it was determined the ink would have been visible on her body only about that long. I actually think there is a better explanation for the lettering but first I will show the simple search results I got.

WSR57:
1953 Beecher Tornado Commemoration Program
This was later replaced in 1961 with a more modern WSR57. model that could be better used for severe weather warnings.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/1953beecher/images/programbook.pdf
http://www.dodgenet.com/~weavers/afss/weather.htm
http://www.dodgenet.com/~weavers/afss/nexrad.htm


WSR54:
WSR54.J. Package Contains 50. Wall Starter Rails

WSR44:
A wall spice rail.
http://www.panracks.com/prices.htm

WSR47 is a snap ring part
http://www.minibearings.com.au/cgi-bin/datafill.pl?product=Rings%20-%20Retaining%20-%20Snaprings%20-%20External&firstitem=1=post

WSR45 Standard Secondo Violin Shoulder Rest 1/8-1/16 42.95
http://www.promusicaustralia.com/other/Strings.htm

OK, I think the letters probably are more likely to be an address.
Maybe something like West Sunset Road number 47=WSR47 or maybe WSR57.

Why did no one miss her?
Maybe someone just moved to a new area & didn't have their new address memorized so it was written on her fingers in ink.
Perhaps young hubby or boy friend maybe decided he didn't want her after all and so killed her and baby and dumped them. After all no one in their new neighborhood even knows she is missing because they probably haven't met her yet.

docwho3
10-30-2005, 05:04 PM
WSR also stood for 'West Somerset Railway'- a UK railway
WSR =wall street reporter
http://www.wallstreetreporter.com/tvopen/

property management
http://www.wsr.net/requestforinformation/

NanaMcZoo
10-30-2005, 07:26 PM
I know it sounds stupid,but any chance she knew she was going to die and managed to write her initials and year of birth?

Richard
10-30-2005, 07:50 PM
I looked at the grown woman info this morning and I found that she had ink writing on her hand that was 'WSR57 or WSR54 or WSR44 or WSR47'
WSR57 is the designation for a weather service radar that went into use in the 1960's up to the about '91. Since she was found in 1976 and had evidently died within 12 hours of being found since it was determined the ink would have been visible on her body only about that long. I actually think there is a better explanation for the lettering but first I will show the simple search results I got.

WSR57:
1953 Beecher Tornado Commemoration Program
This was later replaced in 1961 with a more modern WSR57. model that could be better used for severe weather warnings.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/1953beecher/images/programbook.pdf
http://www.dodgenet.com/~weavers/afss/weather.htm
http://www.dodgenet.com/~weavers/afss/nexrad.htm


WSR54:
WSR54.J. Package Contains 50. Wall Starter Rails

WSR44:
A wall spice rail.
http://www.panracks.com/prices.htm

WSR47 is a snap ring part
http://www.minibearings.com.au/cgi-bin/datafill.pl?product=Rings%20-%20Retaining%20-%20Snaprings%20-%20External&firstitem=1=post

WSR45 Standard Secondo Violin Shoulder Rest 1/8-1/16 42.95
http://www.promusicaustralia.com/other/Strings.htm

OK, I think the letters probably are more likely to be an address.
Maybe something like West Sunset Road number 47=WSR47 or maybe WSR57.

Why did no one miss her?
Maybe someone just moved to a new area & didn't have their new address memorized so it was written on her fingers in ink.
Perhaps young hubby or boy friend maybe decided he didn't want her after all and so killed her and baby and dumped them. After all no one in their new neighborhood even knows she is missing because they probably haven't met her yet.
Some interesting search results. I have a feeling that she wrote this on her hand because she did not have a piece of paper with her. It might be an address like you say, and if so, it might have been given to her over the phone. Maybe she was answering an ad in a paper or posted on a bulletin board, or maybe someone called her and told her to come to that address.

It could also be an auto license plate number that she wrote down quickly because she had a pen, but no paper handy to write on.

laini
10-31-2005, 02:11 PM
These are all good thoughts. I hadn't thought of her boyfriend/husband killing her and they were new to the area so she wasn't known. That sounds like a good possibility. As we know, that happens too often. I think the initials and birth date does make sense. I'll see what I can find there. I was searching for missing people who were pregnant but didn't come up with anything that fit. Her eyes haunt me. When I think of the a joy a woman feels (usually) when their baby is soon to be born and can't wait to hold them, it just is sad.

docwho3
10-31-2005, 06:14 PM
These are all good thoughts. I hadn't thought of her boyfriend/husband killing her and they were new to the area so she wasn't known. That sounds like a good possibility. As we know, that happens too often. I think the initials and birth date does make sense. I'll see what I can find there. I was searching for missing people who were pregnant but didn't come up with anything that fit. Her eyes haunt me. When I think of the a joy a woman feels (usually) when their baby is soon to be born and can't wait to hold them, it just is sad.
I thought of another possibility that should have popped into my head much sooner. With her,in one of the suitcases, was found a news paper (I think it was a newyork paper.)

News papers also usually have a personals section and don't those often use accronyms like swf for single white female? So I wonder if wsr would have any meaning in that context and if so was the very paper found with her the one containing the add in question? I believe that before computers were in large use that newspaper ads were the web of the day that lured many unsuspecting young people into dangerous & sometimes fatal situations.

I think they even listed the date of the paper in question. Maybe there would be an archived copy available?

Azlaw
11-03-2005, 12:09 PM
the paper was the New York Sunday News dated September 26, 1976.

Doe Network says police searched license plates and CB call letters, but didn't say anything about personal ads or local addresses. I would hope they searched the paper for clues, but we shouldn't assume anything.

Let's try to search addresses somehow. We need a map of the local area so we can see what street names are there.

Any locals here who can help us?

Azlaw
11-03-2005, 12:15 PM
I thought this was interesting. Similar MO, but years later.

PENNSYLVANIA UNIDENTIFIED
On July 11, 1995 the dismembered remains of a woman were found in a maroon suitcase covered with a green trash bag along the Brandywine Creek in Downingtown, PA. An autopsy determined that the cause of death was "homicidal violence" and that she had been dead 37 days prior to discovery. She is estimated to be between 17-25 years old. She weighed between 120-140 lbs. and her height is estimated between 4'11"-5'3". She is White or Hispanic. She has pierced ears, brown eyes and hair.

Richard
11-03-2005, 10:55 PM
the paper was the New York Sunday News dated September 26, 1976.

Doe Network says police searched license plates and CB call letters, but didn't say anything about personal ads or local addresses. ...
CB Radios were very popular in 1976. At that time, you had to apply to the FCC for a station license, and you would be given station call letters which started with a K, followed by two more letters and then four numbers.

By about 1977, the FCC had run out of station numbers and started giving out call letters which still started with a K, but were then followed by three letters and four numbers. Sometime later - by about 1980, the FCC gave up on issuing station numbers and enforcing any of the CB rules.

Regarding newspaper ads, there are some kinds of personal ads which require a person to reply to a set phone number, but to refer to code letters/numbers when leaving a message.

LButler
11-07-2005, 02:28 PM
The pregnant lady case has really bothered me. Never came across it before. So, I've been thinking about it. Couple thoughts:

First, she looks French to me. I can't support that in any way, just the first thing that came to my mind when I looked at her.

Second, she's going to give birth soon. It's December, it has to be cold. Could WSR be related to someplace she was going to have her baby? I keep thinking "Women's State Resources" ......... I don't know?

Women's Safe Resources (any shelters in the area at the time?)

I didn't notice any mention of whether LE thought she was homeless, well-groomed or whatever?

I think the suitcases here body was found in were her own. So, maybe she was travelling into or out of the area?

LButler
11-07-2005, 02:59 PM
this missing girl has a scar in the correct place:


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/138dfny.html

but they don't look much alike.

laini
11-07-2005, 03:14 PM
Good points.


Regarding this person: http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/138dfny.html I kind of felt that the unidentified murder victim who was pregnant would be someone who ran away or was away with a husband/boyfriend. I don't think it would have been someone who was kidnapped or taken agains her will originally. It seems unlikely to me that someone would be kidnappped/forcefully taken, then become pregnant and in hiding for 8-9 months through a pregnancy. However, you never know. Stranger things have happened.

The fact those could be her suitcases does make sense. I think maybe she was traveling, also. Good point made above. Regarding the singles ads in the paper being the numbers/letters on her hand, I wouldnt' think someone ready to give birth would be thinking of dating. But you never know. Just some random thoughts of mine. Maybe it is someone who was traveling from Europe.

laini
11-07-2005, 03:22 PM
www.wherearethey.bravepages.com (http://www.wherearethey.bravepages.com) looks interesting. Missing people from all over the world. Just wanted to share the link/ maybe there are some answers there to some of the unidentified.


also,
LButler, thanks for the link and suggestion you provided. Hope I didn't sound rude about your thought. I was just thinking outloud/brainstorming.

laini :)

shadowangel
11-07-2005, 06:33 PM
I had looked into this case previously in relation to several other murders over a span of years along I-80 in the PA-NJ area. The letters and numbers are very confusing.

WSR with either a 4 or 5 and the number 4 or 7 lower to the right. This indicated to me that possibly the first four letters and numbers were a combination, with the fifth a seperate designator. I tried several combinations, changing the "4 or 5" to the letter e, a, or h. I looked for these combinations, including radio or TV call signs (ex, "WSRH[channel] 7".) I discovered a few that came close, but none that made sense geographically.

It would be very helpful to see a photo of the letters and numbers...How can the number 4 be confused for the number 5, and likewise how can the number 4 be confused for the number 7? Writing these numbers down, it is difficult to visualize...

I also had looked into addresses ("West State Route 4 [or 5], #4 [or 7]")...Nothing much there either, except there is a Rt 4 (east-west) in NJ which ties into I-80 in several places.

awagner
11-08-2005, 03:10 AM
Cold Cases From 1953, 1967 and 1968 with two unidentified bodies from Berks County PA...

http://www.stoleninnocence.org/schlappig_dorothy.html
http://www.stoleninnocence.org/wise_christine.html

http://www.geocities.com/theydeservenames/1

Add to the mix the dreamland murders in between just to make it interesting to get a feel for the era and the area.
http://www.darkinthepark.com/Dreamland/dreamland.htm

awagner
11-08-2005, 03:40 AM
[QUOTE=shadowangel]I had looked into this case previously in relation to several other murders over a span of years along I-80 in the PA-NJ area. The letters and numbers are very confusing.
Do you have a running list? I too am interested in following those cases.


It would be very helpful to see a photo of the letters and numbers...How can the number 4 be confused for the number 5, and likewise how can the number 4 be confused for the number 7? Writing these numbers down, it is difficult to visualize...
The photo with the numbers is very illegible which is why they couldnt be sure about the numbers exactly.

shadowangel
11-08-2005, 08:01 AM
[QUOTE=shadowangel]I had looked into this case previously in relation to several other murders over a span of years along I-80 in the PA-NJ area. The letters and numbers are very confusing.
Do you have a running list? I too am interested in following those cases.


It would be very helpful to see a photo of the letters and numbers...How can the number 4 be confused for the number 5, and likewise how can the number 4 be confused for the number 7? Writing these numbers down, it is difficult to visualize...
The photo with the numbers is very illegible which is why they couldnt be sure about the numbers exactly.
I posted a partial list under the thread "Blairstown Princess Doe", and others have added missing/UIDs also. If the letters/numbers are that illigible, I have to wonder if they have been misinterpreted all these years.

LButler
11-08-2005, 05:31 PM
wonder if there is any hope of seeing the photo of the writing for ourselves? someone else may see something else. Anybody here close to the LE that might have it?

Yaya
11-16-2005, 05:59 PM
I had posted a new thread in Cold Case today concerning this woman and her unborn infant... it really had an effect on me when I read her case file. I didn't know you were already discussing the case here.

I deleted the post.

Thanks Marilynilpa for letting me know this was here.:o I had been here several times and had only reached around page 4... trying to look at all the cases listed.

It seems this one has taken on a life of it's own... maybe a new thread of it's own wouldn't be a bad idea.

What do you guys think?

Marilynilpa
11-16-2005, 06:01 PM
I had posted a new thread in Cold Case today concerning this woman and her unborn infant... it really had an effect on me when I read her case file. I didn't know you were already discussing the case here.

I deleted the post.

Thanks Marilynilpa for letting me know this was here.:o I had been here several times and had only reached around page 4... trying to look at all the cases listed.

It seems this one has taken on a life of it's own... maybe a new thread of it's own wouldn't be a bad idea.

What do you guys think?
Glad to be of help!

I think a new thread would be a pretty good idea.

Yaya
11-16-2005, 06:20 PM
Glad to be of help!

I think a new thread would be a pretty good idea.
Ok :) I will create a new thread and title it Carbon County Jane Doe. I hope everyone will come to the thread and continue with the great input I have been reading today. It sounds like you guys have really been working the ol' brain cells on this one. I hope I can help come up with a few good ideas.

See you there... hopefully :)

mere
07-10-2006, 02:27 PM
Jody Lynn Brant, Missing since May 27, 1994


DOB: Feb 16, 1978
Missing: May 27, 1994
Age at time: 16
Age Now: 27
Sex: Female
Race: White
Hair: Blonde
Eyes: Hazel
Height: 5'3"
Weight: 122lbs
Missing From: Lawrenceville, Gwinnett County, Georgia
Endangered Missing

Jody traveled alone from Georgia and was heading to Pontiac, Michigan to stay with family. At some point during the trip she contacted her family stating that she was lost. That was the last time anyone heard from Jody. Her vehicle, a 1987 Ford Escort, was located burned in Erie, Ohio.

http://www.doenetwork.org/ (http://www.doenetwork.org/)
Case File 1097DFGA

Khavna
07-13-2006, 09:03 PM
there is one case that haunts me everyday and i want to know what happened to her as much as her parents do her name is Debra T. Pscholka and she went missing on June 5th 1971 at Carona, riverside county, California she was just 12 years old. she went to see a movie with some friends and after it was finished she told them she was going to the local park, this was at 8.15pm. she has never been seen or heard from again:( . it is not known it she ever made it to the park or not. she could have easily been kidnapped on her way there. mind you i have done my own research on this case and have found out that there is a park on the same street as the movie theatre she was at that night. so she could have made it to the park but something terrible could have happened to her there :( . this case haunts me soo much because there are NO witnesses, tips or leads into this case NOTHING someone out there knows what happened to her. it's horrible, she just disapeared without a trace left behind.

i have been looking at the doenetwork and have found a case that reminds me of her and there are alot of similarites between hers and the jane doe's case.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/889dfca.html this is Debra

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/404ufor.html this is the jane doe

Marie
07-13-2006, 09:55 PM
i have been looking at the doenetwork and have found a case that reminds me of her and there are alot of similarites between hers and the jane doe's case.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/889dfca.html this is Debra

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/404ufor.html this is the jane doeWhat similarities are you seeing?

michelle
07-13-2006, 10:01 PM
What similarities are you seeing? I dont see any. Do You?

kwatson696
07-13-2006, 10:05 PM
http://americasunknownchild.net/

I know this is a very old case but something about it tears my heart out.....:furious:
I have read every thing I can on this but.............nothing. The show on Cold Case that comes on TV, I guess came as close to we will ever know....

http://www.tv.com/cold-case/boy-in-the-box/episode/261307/summary.html

kwatson696
07-13-2006, 10:12 PM
http://boyinthebox.bravehost.com/updates.htm Here are some updates...

Khavna
07-13-2006, 11:20 PM
What similarities are you seeing?the height, weight, look (exspecially her hair) the time of diapperance/murder and the location that the body was found.

Marie
07-13-2006, 11:31 PM
the height, weight, look (exspecially her hair) the time of diapperance/murder and the location that the body was found.Ok, I could see that. Except the nose is way off, and even more bothersome is the age differences. I believe bones and teeth growth would be quite different between a 12yo and late teens, even if they are the same height & weight. But there can always be errors reported so it couldn't hurt to report your conclusion to doe.

Khavna
07-13-2006, 11:39 PM
o.k here's the similarities that I can see in these two cases

Debra:

Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 125 lbs. (57 kg.)

Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.

Missing since June 5, 1971

there's not much to go on her case because very little details are available
jane Doe:

Height and Weight: 5'4" - 5'5"; 125 lbs (only 5 inches off being debra's height allthough this is only a guess) and right on the mark with the weight.

Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair with blonde streaks (if you look at Debra's hair very closely you can see natural blonde streaks running through her brown hair) even you even look at the picture of the jane doe she has brown eyes

Estimated Date of Death: July 1, 1971 (remembering that this is only an estimate this date is only 26 days after Debra went missing)

The victim was located in a wooded area near the Oregon-California border

sure Debra did not live near there (although she lived near a border in California) but there have been many child abduction cases where they are taken to another state far, far away from where they originally came from.

The victim was discovered on August 19, 1971 this is only 2 months after Debra went missing this jane doe was found. there was only skeletal remains left to work with.

Khavna
07-13-2006, 11:44 PM
Ok, I could see that. Except the nose is way off, and even more bothersome is the age differences. I believe bones and teeth growth would be quite different between a 12yo and late teens, even if they are the same height & weight. But there can always be errors reported so it couldn't hurt to report your conclusion to doe.yes that's true, but most of the doe's ratings are just estimates because they remians were so badly damaged (skeletal) yeah bone and teeth growth can contribute to the factor, one example though on how it doesn't always help is ME

i'm in my twenties right, i'm the same height as Debra (5"6) :crazy: and soo many times i have been mistaken for a 14 year old (although sometimes this is a complement) i even look (to some degree) like a 14 year old and people are shocked when i tell them that i'm not :p

everybody is different you just never know

LinasK
01-27-2007, 03:49 AM
DUBLIN: Relatives, friends gather annually to remind public of teen who went missing in 1989

By Sophia Kazmi

CONTRA COSTA TIMES

Posted on Fri, Jan. 26, 2007A candlelight vigil and prayer service for Ilene Misheloff, kidnapped from the streets of Dublin 18 years ago, will be held Tuesday evening.

Since her disappearance on Jan. 30, 1989, her family, friends and Dublin residents have gathered each year on the anniversary to remind the public that Ilene is still missing.

Ilene, 13, was last seen leaving Wells Middle School. She was heading to an ice skating lesson at Dublin Iceland and has not been heard from since.

The Misheloffs have not given up on finding their daughter. They publicize Ilene's case all year. From an office on Village Parkway, the family runs the Ilene Misheloff Recovery Effort. They send out hundreds of fliers each week about Ilene, the facts of her disappearance and a computer enhanced picture of what she may look like as an adult.

Ilene Misheloff was 5 feet 3 inches tall and weighed 115 pounds at the time of her disappearance. She has brown eyes, wore her brown hair shoulder length and had braces on her teeth. The day she disappeared, she was wearing a charcoal gray pullover polo sweater, a horizontally striped pink and gray skirt, black low-top Keds and carried a dark blue back pack. more at link:http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/16551453.htm

kline
09-09-2008, 04:04 AM
We were talking in the Elizabeth Reed thread(Unsolved 1948 murder) about even though there are hundreds of unsolved cases that we read about and they are all tragic some of them stick with you on an emotional level or can even become obsessive.
I thought it might be theraputic or interesting to list some that you feel if not obsessive about but that will probably always be with you or have struck you on a deep emotional level.
I have a few in no particular order:
Betsy Aardsma .
Deanie Pyle Peters
Bonnie Bickwit and Mitchel Weiser
Daniele Imbo and Richard Petrone
And Lonnie Jones
O.K. your turn.

s_finch
09-09-2008, 10:25 AM
Dail Dinwiddie, missing from SC since 1992

joellegirl
09-09-2008, 11:00 AM
I started a thread with this title about four years ago so I know what you mean about how certain cases haunt us.

Evelyn Hartley-1953
Beverly Potts-1951
Connie Smith-1952
Sheila and Katherine Lyon-1975
Janice Pockett-1973
Trenny Lynn Gibson-1976
Daniel Barter-1959
Alan and Terry Westerfield-1964
Karen Tompkins-1961
Ann Marie Burr-1961
Anna Waters-1973
Suzanne Lyall-1998
The three women missing from Indiana Dunes In July 1966-Patricia Blough, Ann Miller and Renee Bruhl
Madeline Babcock-1968
Michelle Pulsifer-1969
Jodi Huisuntruit-1995
Victor John Theel-1944

Edited to add:
Georgia Jean Weckler- 1947
Andy Puglisi (spelling?)-1976
Unsolved murders of Barbara and Patricia Grimes and Judith Mae Anderson-all in Chicago during the 1950's.

As one can see from the dates of these disappearances, the world was never really safe. It drives me nuts when people think that only recently has it been this way. They have no clue about these cold cases. It is good there are people like us who do know about these cases and keep their memory alive!

kline
09-09-2008, 11:29 AM
Yeah you listed a few that are borderline with me as well:Jodi Huisentruit,
The Indian Dunes Women(Thats a strange case)Evelynn Hartley and Beverly Potts.

MaryLiz
09-09-2008, 12:08 PM
I think of these cases and check for updates on most all of them every day.

Mystery Couple Murdered - Sumter, SC, 1976
Three Missing Women - Springfield, MO, 1992
Ronald Tammen - Ohio, 1953
Evelyn Hartley - Wisconsin, 1953
Three Missing Women - Indiana Dunes State Park, 1966
Mary Jane Reed and Stanley Skridla Murder - Illinois, 1948
Betsy Aardsma Murder - Penn State U, 1969
Georgia Jean Weckler, Wisconsin, 1947
Jodi Huisentruit - Iowa, 1995
Mary Shotwell Little - Georgia, 1965
Barbara and Patricia Grimes Murder - Chicago, 1957

And more recently, Tony Luzio (2005) and Brian Shaffer (2006) from Columbus, OH

I forgot to add 2 when I first posted this:
Boulder Jane Doe, Colorado 1954 and the murder of Cliff and Christine Walker and their 2 children in Florida in 1959

Mr. E
09-09-2008, 12:38 PM
Anna Waters
Suzanne Davis/Tanya Hughes/Sharon Marshall
John David Gosch
Those three girls who disappeared from a Texas shopping mall -- I can't remember their names off the top of my head (they were two teens and a 9 year old, and they were Christmas shopping)

If I could find out what happened to these people before I died, I would be a happy woman.

tuppence
09-09-2008, 01:39 PM
Maura Murray
Leanna Warner (Beaner)
Tabitha Tuders
Rachel Cooke

and many more.

Patience
09-09-2008, 02:01 PM
Anna Waters
Suzanne Davis/Tanya Hughes/Sharon Marshall
John David Gosch
Those three girls who disappeared from a Texas shopping mall -- I can't remember their names off the top of my head (they were two teens and a 9 year old, and they were Christmas shopping)

If I could find out what happened to these people before I died, I would be a happy woman.

Would you happen to have a link to the 3 girls who disappeared from the Texas shopping mall by chance? Texas, esp. Lubbock has so many missing girls and woman that I cannot believe it.

Hucklepie
09-09-2008, 02:06 PM
I think often about a lot of the ones listed above - I wish their families and loved ones could see how much perfect strangers care about their missing loved ones!

Some of the main ones that I would love to see solved...
Stephanie Condon
Jason Jolkowski
Ann Marie Burr
Rachel Cooke
Kristen Modafferi
Morgan Nick
Maura Murray
Sara Wood

birdie74
09-09-2008, 02:13 PM
The Sodder family
Anna Christian Waters
Tolbert Percy "Jack" Dalton
Joyce Malinka (solved, I just want to know the details)
Mary Jane Reed

chaddylex
09-09-2008, 02:14 PM
Sharon Marshall
Cherie Mahan
Jennifer Keese
Rachel Cooke
Tammy Leppert - Suzanne their is hope!!

meggilyweggily
09-09-2008, 03:08 PM
Charley Ross for me. I named my missing persons website after him for a reason.

What really frustrates/haunts me though, is the very old cases for which I have no information whatsoever. Cases like Charles Hall III, Francillon Pierre, Ronald Cole...

zelmajane
09-09-2008, 04:04 PM
I have a few-
Christine Wrightwas the first one to hit a nerve when I read it.
Ian Davis II he was a childhood friend.
Ian Davis I he died not long after his son, in odd circumstances.
Bruce Edward Myers if his case is found not to be an "accident" like everyone thinks, it will be one of two murders in our small town.

Someone said something along the lines of "I hope I can figure all this out before I die."

I often think of how exciting it will be when I get to heaven and find all the answers!

Anubis
09-09-2008, 04:52 PM
gee, so many:

Chuck Mauk
Josh Guimond
Jason Jolkowski
The Kingfisher murders (Dr. Juan Dumois & sons and another man murdered by a guy on a bike)
Nita Mayo (a local 63 year old woman who disappeared up on Sonora Pass)
The Grateful Dead boy (fan killed while riding in a van)
Janet Aboroa (spelling is wrong. Husband is getting away with murder)
and many many other

Indianagirl
09-09-2008, 05:02 PM
Brian Shaffer
JonBenet Ramsey
3 missing women from springfield, MO

gaia227
09-09-2008, 06:13 PM
Nice Thread. This is a good way to learn hear about some cases you never heard of before......there are unfortunately so many.

Three Missing Women in Springfield, MO
Terry and Darlene Anderson
Maura Murray
Sharon Marshall
Anna Christian Waters
Evelyn Hartley
The Walker Murders
Jon Benet
Christopher Coan
Barbara Bolick
Dorothy Arnold

mere
09-09-2008, 07:01 PM
wanted to bump this thread

librarian_mama
09-09-2008, 08:11 PM
The Boy in the Box
The Three Missing Women, MO

Trino
09-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Jacob Wetterling

jaybird
09-09-2008, 09:15 PM
Leanna Warner
Kiplyn Davis
Bianca Piper

CCJD
09-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Carbon County Jane Doe aka "Beth Doe"

Mischa
09-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Taj Narbonne and all the other cases, where there is a clear suspect, who could not be caught.
There are so many cases of missing women/girls in which is stated “She was in a troubled relationship. LE calls her boyfriend/husband a person of interest.” And you can even find cases where the person of interest had other girlfriends/ wives prior and afterwards who went missing or got murdered. :mad:

Julessleuther
09-10-2008, 03:01 AM
Anna Christian Waters
Jason Jolkowski
Maura Murray
Sharon Marshall
Deanna Merryfield
Brian Shaffer
Mark Davis
Unidentified Lyle Stevik from Washington
Unidentified Jane Doe found in Fairfax, VA
Kristen Modafferi
Amy Bradley
Rachel Cooke
Sara Anne Woods - One of the first missing persons cases I heard about
Tara Grinstead
Unidentified man-Bedford, PA
Sodder family
Two unidentified teenagers- Northern Cal.
Upstate NY-Caledonia Jane Doe -1st case I ever heard of, was 11 when I saw it on the news.
Rose Cole
Boulder Jane Doe
Amelia Earhart
Morgan Nick

Mr. E
09-10-2008, 08:24 AM
Would you happen to have a link to the 3 girls who disappeared from the Texas shopping mall by chance? Texas, esp. Lubbock has so many missing girls and woman that I cannot believe it.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/59dftx.html

This case bothers me because the only way I can see three healthy girls disappearing like that is if someone they knew or someone they trusted (a police officer or security guard) lured them somewhere and hurt them. Apparently there was a note written by one of the girls saying they were taking off for a week, but who takes off like that at Christmas? Especially when there is a 9yo girl with them? And Christmas presents in the car? I think the note was forged. It's so baffling and frustrating.

Mr. E
09-10-2008, 08:26 AM
Sorry for the double post.

I forgot to mention Nyleen Kay Marshall. Her disappearance, coupled with the sighting and the letter supposedly written by her abductor, make for an intriguing mystery. Then there was that mysterious woman who was pregnant who went by Kay and entered a hospital...there was some speculation that it was Nyleen. Then Nyleen's mother was raped and murdered in Mexico. The whole story is layered in confusion and sadness.

Pdoe
09-10-2008, 09:03 AM
Princess Doe - Unidentified female homicide victim found in Blairstown, NJ on 7/15/1982

http://www.princessdoe.org

newshound81
09-10-2008, 09:44 AM
Jaycee Lee Dugard--one of the first kidnappings I ever heard of and she is around my age.
Four East Bay girls: Michaela Joy Garecht, Ilene Misheloff, Amber Swartz Garcia and Amanda "Nikki" Campbell.

MaryLiz
09-10-2008, 10:29 AM
Sorry for posting twice on this thread...but there is another case I have been intrigued with for a long time. It has a thread on WS though it hasn't garnered much discussion. I became involved in this when I found the website of the two filmmakers who were making a documentary about this case. I began communicating with the filmmakers, and they turned out a wonderful documentary.

In Villisca, Iowa on June 10, 1912 there were eight people murdered with an axe while they slept. The victims were Josiah and Sara Moore and their four children, Herman, Katherine, Boyd and Paul and two visiting neighbor children, Lena and Ina Stillinger. The murder is unsolved to this day. But the story of the murders, their aftermath and how they ripped apart this very small town is fascinating. Here is the link to the WS thread and also the link to the documentary about the Villisca murders.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36661&highlight=Villisca

http://www.villiscamovie.com/

It's a fascinating case but particularly tragic because out of the eight victims, six were children. The film is very well done. I would highly recommend anyone interested in this case to check out the documentary.

flyboy
09-10-2008, 11:26 AM
Michael Adams - whos website has gotten very, very interesting lately. Apparently a bunch of his friends got tired of waiting for the police to resolve it, and got together and started investingating his disappearance on their own. Based on what they've been putting on the website it looks like they know who took Michael and have been leaving very interesting messages for them. It's like a soap, but I say good for them. It shows what people can do when they come together.

www.findmikeadams.com (http://www.findmikeadams.com)


Also:
Tara Leigh Calico
Brian Shaffer
Kyle Fleischmann
The Springfield Three
Matt Cook

I'd love to see a resolution on all of these cases

Mr. E
09-10-2008, 12:22 PM
Michael Adams - whos website has gotten very, very interesting lately. Apparently a bunch of his friends got tired of waiting for the police to resolve it, and got together and started investingating his disappearance on their own. Based on what they've been putting on the website it looks like they know who took Michael and have been leaving very interesting messages for them. It's like a soap, but I say good for them. It shows what people can do when they come together.

www.findmikeadams.com (http://www.findmikeadams.com)


Also:
Tara Leigh Calico
Brian Shaffer
Kyle Fleischmann
The Springfield Three
Matt Cook

I'd love to see a resolution on all of these cases

flyboy, do you know more about the Mike Adams case? I read the website; it was very intriguing. Does the family believe they know who murdered Mike, or do they believe he may still be alive?

gaia227
09-10-2008, 03:47 PM
Sorry for posting twice on this thread...but there is another case I have been intrigued with for a long time. It has a thread on WS though it hasn't garnered much discussion. I became involved in this when I found the website of the two filmmakers who were making a documentary about this case. I began communicating with the filmmakers, and they turned out a wonderful documentary.

In Villisca, Iowa on June 10, 1912 there were eight people murdered with an axe while they slept. The victims were Josiah and Sara Moore and their four children, Herman, Katherine, Boyd and Paul and two visiting neighbor children, Lena and Ina Stillinger. The murder is unsolved to this day. But the story of the murders, their aftermath and how they ripped apart this very small town is fascinating. Here is the link to the WS thread and also the link to the documentary about the Villisca murders.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36661&highlight=Villisca

http://www.villiscamovie.com/

It's a fascinating case but particularly tragic because out of the eight victims, six were children. The film is very well done. I would highly recommend anyone interested in this case to check out the documentary.

Wow, thanks MaryBeth! I just put the documentary on my netflix. I had never heard of this before and it is pretty fascinating. The thread here didn't seem to get a lot of attention though which I don't understand.

gaia227
09-10-2008, 04:04 PM
I want to add the Dyatlov Pass Incident. Nine experience hikers go for a long hike and camping excursion in the Urals in 1959. Something terrified them so badly that they cut their way out of their tents and went running half naked into -40 degree temps. They were all found dead. One group had attempted to make a fire instead of returning to their camp where all of their clothese were - they died of exposure. The second group was not found until months later. They had all sustained massive injuries - injuries that are reminescent of something you would see in a car accident. Blunt Force Trauna to the chest. Two victims were found in a position suggesting they had tried to crawl back to camp. One victim also had a skull fracture. One victim was missing her tongue. All of the hikers tested positive for high levels of radiation. Many believe a cover-up was then executed by the Russian authorities.
The cause of deaths was ruled: A compelling and unknown force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_pass_accident

BostonSu
09-10-2008, 07:38 PM
Evelyn Hartley
Ruth Baumgardner
Paula Weldon

MaryLiz
09-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Wow, thanks MaryBeth! I just put the documentary on my netflix. I had never heard of this before and it is pretty fascinating. The thread here didn't seem to get a lot of attention though which I don't understand.

gaia, you're welcome. It's such a fascinating case, especially if you get into the story of the people who were suspects and their backgrounds and also, like I said, what the murders did to this small town. People took sides and it formed a division in the town that virtually lasts to this day. And it happened 96 years ago! There is a lot of interesting reading on the website.

The filmmakers are the nicest people, and the film is well done, I think. It took them about 10 years to complete it but they wanted it done right and they really wanted to maintain a level of respect for the people of this small town and what they have been through with this horrible tragedy. You may have to watch it a couple times to get all the suspects and theories straight. Even reading up on the case thoroughly before I saw the film, including reading through court transcripts and a lot of other information, I still had to watch it a couple times to understand the whole story. That may be why the thread hasn't taken off here, there is a lot to sift through in this case. I got involved with it before I joined WS and so I had more time to read through everything because it was the only case I was concentrating on at the time.

I hope you enjoy the documentary!

shadowangel
09-10-2008, 09:52 PM
The Villisca Murders are well known in paranormal circles.
http://www.prairieghosts.com/villisca.html

This article by Troy Taylor gives a history of the case, suspects, and recent photos of the home as it exists today after renovation.

gaia227
09-11-2008, 02:11 PM
I've spent the morning reading about the Villisca murders and am leaning towards believing that they are connected with the other ax murders that happened in the midwest around that same time frame. The MO seems very similar in each of them. That is of course a very premature and preliminary overview on my part. Very fascinating.

I bumped it in the Cold Case thread. The last post was in 2006.

blue_the_puppy
09-11-2008, 03:23 PM
the cases i can't get out of my head are:

grateful doe (unidentified grateful dead fan)
sabrina allen
scott kleeschulte
brian shaffer

something in each these cases just strikes a chord with me, even though they are all very different circumstances.

what a great thread idea!

blue_the_puppy
09-11-2008, 03:23 PM
I want to add the Dyatlov Pass Incident. Nine experience hikers go for a long hike and camping excursion in the Urals in 1959. Something terrified them so badly that they cut their way out of their tents and went running half naked into -40 degree temps. They were all found dead. One group had attempted to make a fire instead of returning to their camp where all of their clothese were - they died of exposure. The second group was not found until months later. They had all sustained massive injuries - injuries that are reminescent of something you would see in a car accident. Blunt Force Trauna to the chest. Two victims were found in a position suggesting they had tried to crawl back to camp. One victim also had a skull fracture. One victim was missing her tongue. All of the hikers tested positive for high levels of radiation. Many believe a cover-up was then executed by the Russian authorities.
The cause of deaths was ruled: A compelling and unknown force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_pass_accident

this one haunts me too.

Stella
09-11-2008, 09:06 PM
Any of the old cases, like before 1960, get to me. Ruth Baumgardner, the Foote/Wolf double murder in Parma, Ohio in 1921. And one from 1964, the murder of 16 year old Beverly Jarosz in Garfield Heights, a suburb of Cleveland. The last one could still be solved. All these cases can be found in the books of John Stark Bellamy.

kline
09-12-2008, 03:10 AM
Great posts!
You guys reminded me of so many facinating ones that have slipped my mind.
It is sad and kind of overwhelming when you start looking at the sheer number of cases.
I too am looking forward to that time when all questions are answered.
Boy we have alot of questions....:)

gaia227
09-12-2008, 10:47 AM
Great posts!
You guys reminded me of so many facinating ones that have slipped my mind.
It is sad and kind of overwhelming when you start looking at the sheer number of cases.
I too am looking forward to that time when all questions are answered.
Boy we have alot of questions....:)


I know. I have a list I started a few months ago of cases that caught my attention and I want to learn more about. That list has grown to more than two pages. It is never-ending. When I look at it I just feel overwhelmed and sad - they are more than just names on a piece of paper, they are people with families who had lives they were living, goals they were striving for, loves they were experiencing, hopes and aspirations for the future. It is so sad.

shadowangel
09-12-2008, 11:08 AM
For me, I would have to put the cases into one of two categories...Those that haunt, and those that fascinate. The latter would be those cases I view with more of an historic interest, such as the Kinross Incident, the crew of the Lady Be Good, Amelia Earhart, or cases such as the Villisca Murders mentioned earlier in this thread.
Those that haunt are the cases to which the answers seem just out of reach...Sharon Marshall, Ann Waters, Maura Murray, my present obsession Christine Wright, Janice Pockett, and Gail Joiner. The fact that the missing might still be out there, right now, alive...Or that the murderers of those killed still walk among us...That haunts me.

Mr. E
09-12-2008, 12:23 PM
That Dyatlov Pass Incident stuff? That's some crazy stuff right there. I just finished reading the wiki article. Weird...I wonder what happened?

kline
09-12-2008, 01:01 PM
For me, I would have to put the cases into one of two categories...Those that haunt, and those that fascinate. The latter would be those cases I view with more of an historic interest, such as the Kinross Incident, the crew of the Lady Be Good, Amelia Earhart, or cases such as the Villisca Murders mentioned earlier in this thread.
Those that haunt are the cases to which the answers seem just out of reach...Sharon Marshall, Ann Waters, Maura Murray, my present obsession Christine Wright, Janice Pockett, and Gail Joiner. The fact that the missing might still be out there, right now, alive...Or that the murderers of those killed still walk among us...That haunts me.
Very good point!
I know I could easily categorize those that have captured my attention into those two categories.
Im grateful that the list of those that haunt me is much shorter then those that facinate me .

flyboy
09-12-2008, 01:54 PM
flyboy, do you know more about the Mike Adams case? I read the website; it was very intriguing. Does the family believe they know who murdered Mike, or do they believe he may still be alive?

Mr. E,
I do know some things about the case because I've talked to a couple of people who knew Michael directly through that website. A few months have gone by since I last talked to anyone, but a woman that I had chatted with was a co-worker of his. She shared with me that Michael had a problem with his boss at work that day over the color of his slacks. He went home to change to black slacks and dropped his wallet. She thought it was strange that of all days the day he went missing was the same day he "accidentally" dropped his wallet. Plus there were some rumors that Michael had a rough home life. But there's a corrections page on the website that now disputes that rumor.

That night he got home from work and a car pulled up behind him. In her email she said that Michael did a specific thing that eliminated 99.9% of the suspect. She said that Michael was leaning into the car talking to the driver. His sister looked out the window and said the car was dark and was an old style GM car. She thought they could narrow down who the driver was because it would have had to have been someone Michael knew since he was leaning INTO The car. And there would be a limited number of people that Michael knew who had a car that fit this description and that he would have felt comfortable enough to lean into. She thought maybe they were having a disagreement and Michael didn't want people to hear.

She said that Michael was just a nice kid who wasn't involved in anything illegal and wasn't in anyone's way. He had a bad relationship with his boss and some of the people who worked in that store with them were shady but that Michael usually stayed away from them.
Since he was a few weeks away from college she thought the story that he ran off was a long shot, but that they were going to check to see if he had actually signed up for classes and paid for a dorm room because the wallet incident was too coincidental.

Alot of it is in the video that's on the site too. But if you read some of the messages they're posting it seems to me that they determined that Michael didn't run off and that somebody took him and murdered him. A couple of the things they posted to whoever they're talking about have been a direct challenge or threat. At least that's how I'm reading it.

They did have information up there before about silos but they have that changed now to a lake in Abilene. I have always found this case interesting. I saw Michael a very long time ago on something once and I didn't know anyone had picked it back up again. I'm glad there are still people out there looking for him. But she mentioned that the police shut the door on the case a long time ago and she was trying to get them to look at it again.

Finn
09-12-2008, 02:49 PM
Brian Shaffer, I really really really would like to know what happened to him
Lyle Stevik
Mystery couple

The solving of the case of the Maricopa Jane Doe really gave me hope.

OilPainter
09-12-2008, 05:15 PM
[QUOTE=flyboy;2671116]Mr. E,
I do know some things about the case because I've talked to a couple of people who knew Michael directly through that website. A few months have gone by since I last talked to anyone, but a woman that I had chatted with was a co-worker of his. She shared with me that Michael had a problem with his boss at work that day over the color of his slacks. He went home to change to black slacks and dropped his wallet. She thought it was strange that of all days the day he went missing was the same day he "accidentally" dropped his wallet. Plus there were some rumors that Michael had a rough home life. But there's a corrections page on the website that now disputes that rumor.
/QUOTE]

Thanks flyboy for the information. I too saw the site and hope some answers emerge but I'm missing the implication of the wallet. Could you elaborate a little more on that? Why would his friend find it strange that he dropped his wallet? What does that mean?

The answer to this question is probably as obvious as the keyboard on my desk but I'm missing it.

I also suspect that even though he had a bad relationship with his boss and co-workers he probably thought he could stick it out for a few more weeks until school started.

So sad.

shadowangel
09-12-2008, 10:07 PM
Somehow I forgot Princess Doe, the girl found in Blairstown NJ in 1982. She crosses my mind quite often.

Ms Suzanne
09-12-2008, 10:44 PM
Hi
Deffinantly Tammy Lynn Leppert,The boy in the box,Lorne boulet,Louis Mackerley,Identified John Doe 1979 in Louisiana.JD 83 amarillo Texas.JD 87 toledo Ohio.One of the most disturbing to me was the girl scout murders.This really scared me and still bothers me after reading it.

suzanne

becklynn
09-13-2008, 04:05 AM
Tara Calico bothers me. We had moved to a small town in the same county. We went to Port St.Joe {Joeseph} to go to the beach. We stopped at the same conveinience store we always did. My mom went into the store and came out asking about a van we were parked right next to when we pulled in. My brother and I were 13 and 10 and did not even notice any of the cars next to us. A truck had pulled in the same space or the space beside where my mom was asking about. Turns out that was when the photos thought to be Tara and a young boy were found. My mom brought the picture the people had found out to the car and asked if we had seen them. I was so shocked at the duct tape and fear in their faces my mom did not show my younger brother. She went back in the store and I thought I remembered the van but I had not paid any attention. The police came and we went to the beach. My mother ws always upset about this. She felt she should have seen something. Guess I felt that too.

kline
09-13-2008, 05:17 AM
Tara Calico bothers me. We had moved to a small town in the same county. We went to Port St.Joe {Joeseph} to go to the beach. We stopped at the same conveinience store we always did. My mom went into the store and came out asking about a van we were parked right next to when we pulled in. My brother and I were 13 and 10 and did not even notice any of the cars next to us. A truck had pulled in the same space or the space beside where my mom was asking about. Turns out that was when the photos thought to be Tara and a young boy were found. My mom brought the picture the people had found out to the car and asked if we had seen them. I was so shocked at the duct tape and fear in their faces my mom did not show my younger brother. She went back in the store and I thought I remembered the van but I had not paid any attention. The police came and we went to the beach. My mother ws always upset about this. She felt she should have seen something. Guess I felt that too.
Thats facinating.Tara Calico is another one of those cases.Those pictures...
I know how your Mom Felt.I was back and forth through St.Regis Montana several times during the Groene Children kidnapping and Missed Duncan and Shasta by hours at the Connoco in Kellogg Idaho.
You cant help but wonder if only...

kline
09-13-2008, 05:21 AM
Sorry for posting twice on this thread...but there is another case I have been intrigued with for a long time. It has a thread on WS though it hasn't garnered much discussion. I became involved in this when I found the website of the two filmmakers who were making a documentary about this case. I began communicating with the filmmakers, and they turned out a wonderful documentary.

In Villisca, Iowa on June 10, 1912 there were eight people murdered with an axe while they slept. The victims were Josiah and Sara Moore and their four children, Herman, Katherine, Boyd and Paul and two visiting neighbor children, Lena and Ina Stillinger. The murder is unsolved to this day. But the story of the murders, their aftermath and how they ripped apart this very small town is fascinating. Here is the link to the WS thread and also the link to the documentary about the Villisca murders.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36661&highlight=Villisca

http://www.villiscamovie.com/

It's a fascinating case but particularly tragic because out of the eight victims, six were children. The film is very well done. I would highly recommend anyone interested in this case to check out the documentary.
Post as many times as you like! I am.

BostonSu
09-13-2008, 01:41 PM
Any of the old cases, like before 1960, get to me. Ruth Baumgardner, the Foote/Wolf double murder in Parma, Ohio in 1921. .

I'm not familiar with the Foote/Wolfe case, could you share a bit?

raindrops300
09-14-2008, 02:27 AM
The case of Tara Calico is one that really gets to me. It's also the only case that has ever given me nightmares. The photographs believed to be her are haunting. I follow several other cases on here, but Tara's really intrigues me.

kline
09-14-2008, 04:04 AM
The case of Tara Calico is one that really gets to me. It's also the only case that has ever given me nightmares. The photographs believed to be her are haunting. I follow several other cases on here, but Tara's really intrigues me.
Yeah,I know there is some debate but Im convinced thats her in that Van photo.
Its frustrating because obviously there is much more to the story of this tragedy then we'll probably ever know and because Id like shove a roll of Duck Tape down the Photographer's throat.

kline
09-14-2008, 04:05 AM
The case of Tara Calico is one that really gets to me. It's also the only case that has ever given me nightmares. The photographs believed to be her are haunting. I follow several other cases on here, but Tara's really intrigues me.
Yeah,I know there is some debate but Im convinced thats her in that Van photo.
Its frustrating because obviously there is much more to the story of this tragedy then we'll probably ever know and because Id like shove a roll of Duck Tape down the Photographer's throat.
(Woops,my emotional involvement is showing)

cymster
09-14-2008, 08:09 AM
What a daunting question!!!

Cases that haunt me are mostly Does:

Lyle Stevik
Sharon Marshall
Rancine Jane Doe (that one PM-pic scares the living daylights out of me everytime)
'Jason Doe'
Buckskin Doe
Caledonia JD
Arroyo Grande JD
Tara Calico (Indeed those photos are just disturbing)

And those are just off the top of my head....

flyboy
09-14-2008, 08:04 PM
OilPainter:
Thanks flyboy for the information. I too saw the site and hope some answers emerge but I'm missing the implication of the wallet. Could you elaborate a little more on that? Why would his friend find it strange that he dropped his wallet? What does that mean?

The answer to this question is probably as obvious as the keyboard on my desk but I'm missing it.

I also suspect that even though he had a bad relationship with his boss and co-workers he probably thought he could stick it out for a few more weeks until school started.

So sad.

Hi OilPainter,

I wrote to the website again and asked about the wallet and some other things. I was just going to summarize but I thought it was an interesting read. I'm forwarding it along pretty much as it came.

"We thought the wallet was interesting at first because we figured, if Mike were trying to intentionally disappear, one of the things he would do would be to completely get rid of his identify. So it would be logical that he would leave his wallet, his car, his bank account, all of it behind.

Mike lived with a large, very religious family. He was the sole member of the family who both rejected, and was a bit embarrassed by, some of the religious rituals the others practiced. Mike was also part of a blended family, and was quite a bit different from his step-siblings. He was generally an outsider in his own family.

He was close to his father. He was the "golden boy" of the family, and so they were a little jealous of him because people really liked Mike, he was smart, and everything seemed to go really well for him. It sounds funny, but it really is a good analogy: Mike's story really is very much like Cinderella.

At work, Mike had a boss who not only jumped on him for every little thing at every turn, he took great pride in humiliating Mike in front of customers and other employees. Mike was smart, charismatic, witty, kind, attractive, and really good at anything he set out to do. That included academics, drumming in the marching band, his job, you name it. His boss was the polar opposite of Mike, and he was nearly twice Mike's age. Mike never raised his voice or lost his temper, and his boss resented Mike for everything that he was. Mike always handled it well until that last day.

He wasn't going to go back to work at all after the last humiliation his boss subjected him to. His dad advised him that he should go back to work for his last remaining two weeks, since he enjoyed his job and was good at it, and not let his boss unfairly run him out of it.

His dad has never forgiven himself for that. He thinks, had he not given Mike that advice and just let him quit like he wanted to, Mike would still be here. The unfortunate thing about that is it's actually good advice for a father to give his teenage son. But on this particular day, Mike went missing.

We thought that Mike had just enough and took off. That's why the wallet was significant. But then we were able to verify that Mike had reserved and paid for a dorm room at the University he was attending, and had bought the supplies he needed for his freshman year.

We also found out, after a lot of investigating, that it wouldn't have mattered if Mike had returned to the store that day or not. Mike tended to attract people into his orbit that could be very jealous and possessive of him. Mike, for all of his book smarts, didn't seem to recognize this as fast as he could have. The men that targeted Mike had a specific need for him, and so they chose him as their victim. For what they wanted of him, they would have gotten Mike whether he had returned to that store that day or not."

I plan on writing back because now my curiosity about Michael being "chosen" is peaked. Kline, I hope I haven't hijacked your thread. If you'd like me to move Michael to his own thread just let me know. :)

gaia227, thanks for posting the Dyatlov Pass Incident. I hadn't read about that one before. But I'm adding it to my list of cases now. I've been scouring the internet reading up on it ever since you posted about it. It's a fascinating read.

Filly
09-15-2008, 02:04 AM
Dolores Dellapenna.

This was a Philly girl who was grabbed right outside her home back in the late 70's. A neighbor even heard her scream. Poor Dolores was dismembered. Parts of her body were found in different places. Her head has never been found.

This is a heart wrenching case because Dolores's parents were obviously devastated. Local police and Detective's believed they knew that meth dealers killed Dolores and about 10 years ago they were going to announce a suspect who had been in prison for another crime. Alas, that didn't happen. I pray for Dolores all the time that she is in peace and I pray for her family.



Mark Hinbaugh.

Did I spell that correctly? The little boy missing for many years from Cape May County, New Jersey. For years we'd see this little boys adorable face from billboards on the way down the shore. It broke my heart everytime I saw a flier or poster. I pray wherever Mark is he is safe and at peace.

Kiki
09-15-2008, 06:57 AM
There are several cases that have especially touched me.

* Sharon Marshall - I read A Beautiful Child last month and I've thought of her every day since.
* Betty McCullough - a 10 year old girl who could not hear or speak. Early one morning in 1941 she walked outside of her home in Silver Creek Falls, Oregon to get some water from the pump and disappeared. Tragically, Betty was terminally ill and only had a few more years to live. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2054dfor.html
* Marjorie West - a 4 year old girl who disappeared in 1938 while picking wildflowers during a family picnic in the White Gravel area near Bradford, Pennsylvania. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/799dfpa.html
* Sabrina Paige Aisenberg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1867dffl.html
* Daniel Morecombe, a 12 year old boy who disappeared from my state, Queensland, Australia. http://www.mako.org.au/danielmorcombe1.html
* An unidentified teenage girl who died of a drug overdose in Tempe Arizona in 2002.
http://doenetwork.org/cases/501ufaz.html
* The unidentified young man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt who died in a traffic accident.
* The two unidentified young brothers, who were found murdered in Stanley Park, Vancouver, Canada in 1953. They were about 7 to 10 years old and had been murdered with an axe, possibly by their mother. Doe Network case numbers http://doenetwork.org/cases/68umbc.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/69umbc.html
* The boy in the box
* An undentified man about 28 years old who was horribly murdered in 1977 and dumped in a septic tank in Tofield, Alberta, Canada. No one should have to go through eternity known only as 'Septic Tank Sam'. http://doenetwork.org/cases/1046umab.html
* The unidentified young teenagers whose skeletal remains were found in Mendocino County, California in 1979 (the year I was born). http://doenetwork.org/cases/111umca.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/131ufca.html
* A newborn boy who was neglected to death and dumped in the trash in 1980 in Pennslyvania. http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase946.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/131ufca.html
* The unidentified little boy who was beaten and thrown in Massey Creek, Southern Fairfax County, Virginia in 1972. http://doenetwork.org/cases/461umva.html
* An unidentified young woman who was strangled and shot and then dismembered in 1972. She was pregnant with a full term baby girl. Her remains were found in Carbon County, Pennsylvania. http://doenetwork.org/cases/169ufpa.html
* An unidentified 2 or 3 day old baby boy who was placed in a plastic bag and thrown in a pond in Huntington Township, Adams County, Pennsylvania in 1981. http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase992.html
* Princess Doe http://doenetwork.org/cases/36ufnj.html
* Little Delta Dawn http://doenetwork.org/cases/45ufms.html