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christine2448
09-19-2008, 09:24 AM
Continue here please.
raisincharlie
09-19-2008, 10:29 AM
Whitwendy
To answer your question JY worked at ChartOne when Michelle was murdered, he had only been there about two months prior to the murder. ChartOne specialized in medical records computer software systems. Jy was terminated shortly after the murder.
His most recent job (Novo) and firing involved pharmacuetical sales in the Greensboro SC area. I am not exactly sure what those products were but then again, I wasn't curious about them either.
Mendara
09-19-2008, 12:42 PM
Why hasn't he been arrested? Was there ever any fax?
I am tryign to catch up on this case.
raisincharlie
09-19-2008, 03:37 PM
Why hasn't he been arrested? Was there ever any fax?
I am tryign to catch up on this case.
Mendara - your guess is as good as anyone's as to why Jy has not yet been arrested and charged with the brutal and vicious murder of Michelle. Hoping he may be very soon however.
Apparently there was a print out indeed. It was located in the printer tray according to the early search warrants. What exactly it was about however has never really officially been reported to my knowledge.
Mendara
09-19-2008, 04:55 PM
Thank you Raisin - I have always wondered what the actual fax was. I just think keeping Cassidy away from her grandparents is a sure sign that his plan all along was to rid himself of his link to michelle and be free.
raisincharlie
09-19-2008, 05:27 PM
Thank you Raisin - I have always wondered what the actual fax was. I just think keeping Cassidy away from her grandparents is a sure sign that his plan all along was to rid himself of his link to michelle and be free.
You're welcome and I agree - his plan was to be rid of Michelle as well as as inflict as much damage as possible on Linda and Meredith Fisher while he was at it. Pretty darn cold calling Meredith to go over to the house to find her bludgeoned sister. EVIL fits better.
whitywendy
09-22-2008, 01:37 PM
Whitwendy
To answer your question JY worked at ChartOne when Michelle was murdered, he had only been there about two months prior to the murder. ChartOne specialized in medical records computer software systems. Jy was terminated shortly after the murder.
His most recent job (Novo) and firing involved pharmacuetical sales in the Greensboro SC area. I am not exactly sure what those products were but then again, I wasn't curious about them either.
Thanks raisincharlie - so he was "let go" from the job he had when she was murdered...okay makes sense. His most recent job, was this the only job he has had since the job he had when Michelle was murdered?
whitywendy
09-22-2008, 01:40 PM
You're welcome and I agree - his plan was to be rid of Michelle as well as as inflict as much damage as possible on Linda and Meredith Fisher while he was at it. Pretty darn cold calling Meredith to go over to the house to find her bludgeoned sister. EVIL fits better.
I just don't understand how someone can be so cold and evil. Why keep the child away from her maternal grandparents? Just makes him look even more guilty IMO. I don't understand how JY's parents can keep her away from Michelle's family...I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree huh.
raisincharlie
09-22-2008, 02:02 PM
I just don't understand how someone can be so cold and evil. Why keep the child away from her maternal grandparents? Just makes him look even more guilty IMO. I don't understand how JY's parents can keep her away from Michelle's family...I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree huh.
I'm not sure if the job he was recently let go from was the only one he has had since the murder but I believe it is. The only one I've heard about anyhow.
Given what Cassidy says on the 911 tape and the incident at the day care in Raleigh prior to Michelle's funeral, it makes sense they would keep
Cassidy from her maternal side of the family. No sense in letting the little one tell them what she knows anymore than what has already come out. Not that that is right but strictly a function of self preservation for Jy, the little knows what happened and who did it.
ncnative
09-22-2008, 02:57 PM
I'm not sure if the job he was recently let go from was the only one he has had since the murder but I believe it is. The only one I've heard about anyhow.
Given what Cassidy says on the 911 tape and the incident at the day care in Raleigh prior to Michelee's funeral, it makes sense they would keep
Cassidy from her maternal side of the family. No snese in letting the little one tell them what she knows anymore than what has already come out. Not that that is right but strictly a function of self preservation for Jy, the little knows what happened and who did it.
I have read some of what Cassidy said on the 911 tape, but some of it is written as "unable to hear" or whatever. What DID she say that we can't read on the tapes? WHAT INCIDENT at the daycare before the funeral? I must have missed that, or forgotten.
Just the Fax
09-22-2008, 07:21 PM
I have read some of what Cassidy said on the 911 tape, but some of it is written as "unable to hear" or whatever. What DID she say that we can't read on the tapes? WHAT INCIDENT at the daycare before the funeral? I must have missed that, or forgotten.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/
I can plainly hear "Daddy did it".....listen carefully toward the end when the phone is ringing to the WCSO.....she babbles and says "Daddy did it"...meredith then says "ok"....
The daycare incident was in Raleigh right before her mom's funeral. Supposedly, she blurted out something about "daddy did it" and the teacher called WCSO and reported it.
whitywendy
09-23-2008, 08:33 AM
http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/
I can plainly hear "Daddy did it".....listen carefully toward the end when the phone is ringing to the WCSO.....she babbles and says "Daddy did it"...meredith then says "ok"....
The daycare incident was in Raleigh right before her mom's funeral. Supposedly, she blurted out something about "daddy did it" and the teacher called WCSO and reported it.
What in the world? Why keep her with him? Why didn't Michelle's parents fight for her like the Nancy Cooper's family did. That poor little girl....my heart is breaking.
tarheellvr
09-23-2008, 10:34 AM
My heart aches for Cassidy too........and for the Fishers as well. Hopefully he will be arrested soon and Michelle's Mom and sister can somehow get that precious little girl with them where she belongs.
raisincharlie
09-23-2008, 01:14 PM
My heart aches for Cassidy too........and for the Fishers as well. Hopefully he will be arrested soon and Michelle's Mom and sister can somehow get that precious little girl with them where she belongs.
I don't think this will happen. If and when Jy is arrested, the hatefulness will only deepen IMO. To date there has been little proof that the Youngs care whether or not Cassidy ever sees the maternal side of her family. An arrest will only deepen their lack of caring even more.
Topsail Girl
09-23-2008, 03:38 PM
You are so right, RC. And for all we know he has already secretly given custody of Cassidy to Ma Pat or to his sister. That is going to make it even harder for Linda - just like Eric Miller's parents.
jilly
09-23-2008, 05:37 PM
You are so right, RC. And for all we know he has already secretly given custody of Cassidy to Ma Pat or to his sister. That is going to make it even harder for Linda - just like Eric Miller's parents.
Didn't jason and michelle have a will or something to say if anything happened to them the younger sister would get custody of Cassidy? I seem to remember that it was originally Meredith but that was changed. (rumour).
I've always wondered if something happened between jy and meredith? I wouldn't put it past him for him to come on to her. She was the nanny at one point. I can see (like others have opined) that meredith might have wanted to live on her own and Cassidy was put in daycare to be with other children but then it was rumored that the custody clause in their will or whatever was changed.:confused:
Topsail Girl
09-24-2008, 12:02 PM
Didn't jason and michelle have a will or something to say if anything happened to them the younger sister would get custody of Cassidy? I seem to remember that it was originally Meredith but that was changed. (rumour).
I've always wondered if something happened between jy and meredith? I wouldn't put it past him for him to come on to her. She was the nanny at one point. I can see (like others have opined) that meredith might have wanted to live on her own and Cassidy was put in daycare to be with other children but then it was rumored that the custody clause in their will or whatever was changed.:confused:
Supposedly they did have a will naming Heather as the guardian if something happened to BOTH of THEM at once. SInce Jason is still alive I would imagine he can change it if he'd like to. I don't know that for sure, though. Either way I believe he would give custody to Heather or to his mother.
JTF - can you correct me if I've listed the wrong sister. It wasn't Kim was it? I'm pretty sure I recall it being Heather.
jilly
09-24-2008, 04:36 PM
Supposedly they did have a will naming Heather as the guardian if something happened to BOTH of THEM at once. SInce Jason is still alive I would imagine he can change it if he'd like to. I don't know that for sure, though. Either way I believe he would give custody to Heather or to his mother.
JTF - can you correct me if I've listed the wrong sister. It wasn't Kim was it? I'm pretty sure I recall it being Heather.
Yup - it was Heather.
Heather was pregnant, wasn't she? Do you know if she had a boy or girl? just curious!
I sure feel sorry for Cassidy.
Figbarinc
10-17-2008, 09:35 AM
I have had this observation and question for the past several days. I wanted to discuss this in the NC forum but that is kaput. I actually wrote A. Lamb, book author and reporter for wral-tv but she has failed to respond.
My question is do LE officials and DA's in lower profile cities and counties move quicker than LE's and DA's in Higher profile Cities and Counties? Henceforth LE's and DA's in Durham and Wake County have more to lose (public perception) than say their counterparts in Hoke and Cumberland Counties.
]Observation[/B]
4 military women have been murdered in and around Ft.Bragg. Ft. Bragg is located
predominately in Cumberland and Hoke Counties. Sgt. CS and 2nd Lt.HW were alledged to have been killed by their husbands. Lance Cpl ML and Spec.MT were alledged to have been killed by men who had a relationship with them. Their alledged killers were identified as POI and subsequently arrested for their murders.
NC, MY and JN wre killed in Wake County. JA was murdered in Durham County. No POI has been named in the Cooper, Young and Abaroa Murders. There has been a POI identified in the Nielsen murder.
Why is it taking longer to name a POI and make an arrest in these cases?
Just the Fax
10-17-2008, 04:22 PM
I have had this observation and question for the past several days. I wanted to discuss this in the NC forum but that is kaput. I actually wrote A. Lamb, book author and reporter for wral-tv but she has failed to respond.
My question is do LE officials and DA's in lower profile cities and counties move quicker than LE's and DA's in Higher profile Cities and Counties? Henceforth LE's and DA's in Durham and Wake County have more to lose (public perception) than say their counterparts in Hoke and Cumberland Counties.
]Observation[/b]
4 military women have been murdered in and around Ft.Bragg. Ft. Bragg is located
predominately in Cumberland and Hoke Counties. Sgt. CS and 2nd Lt.HW were alledged to have been killed by their husbands. Lance Cpl ML and Spec.MT were alledged to have been killed by men who had a relationship with them. Their alledged killers were identified as POI and subsequently arrested for their murders.
NC, MY and JN wre killed in Wake County. JA was murdered in Durham County. No POI has been named in the Cooper, Young and Abaroa Murders. There has been a POI identified in the Nielsen murder.
Why is it taking longer to name a POI and make an arrest in these cases?
Fair question Figbarinc. First of all, you will not see a POI or suspect 'named' in Wake County unless the subject is a threat to society and possibly a fugitive from justice.The DA has said this is his policy. What is gained by 'naming' ?
The only thing it does is alarm the public and they demand an arrest, often before they have the best case. The terms are also very inflammatory and can jeopardize someones right to a fair trial. Finally, naming an innocent person a POI or "suspect" could be a setup for later litigation towards LE.....remember Richard Jewell , wrongly named the 'suspect' in the Atlanta Olympic park bombing ?
DEPUTYDAWG
10-18-2008, 09:43 AM
Awwww, it seems Dr G has moved on to the Caylee Anthony case. Guess he didn't get any case "win" from the Young case. Wonder if anyone paid him for his insertion into the Anthony case?
From a poster on a Caylee Anthony thread:
Have they given the name of the road yet? Because a very excellent profiler, Dr. Maurice Godwin has made a geographical profile and it seems to be right along Narcoossee Rd., just north of the Airport, in between Hwys 551, 15 and 417. Directly in the middle of Pings number 1,2,3 and 4.
Here's the link posted in the profiler thread.
http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/main.htm
Wait! "A Very excellent profiler." Could this be Dr G himself posting this? Ya never know, since he's had several posting names. Just sayin', have no idea.
:silenced::silenced::silenced::silenced:
raisincharlie
10-18-2008, 12:45 PM
Awwww, it seems Dr G has moved on to the Caylee Anthony case. Guess he didn't get any case "win" from the Young case. Wonder if anyone paid him for his insertion into the Anthony case?
From a poster on a Caylee Anthony thread:
Have they given the name of the road yet? Because a very excellent profiler, Dr. Maurice Godwin has made a geographical profile and it seems to be right along Narcoossee Rd., just north of the Airport, in between Hwys 551, 15 and 417. Directly in the middle of Pings number 1,2,3 and 4.
Here's the link posted in the profiler thread.
http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/main.htm
Wait! "A Very excellent profiler." Could this be Dr G himself posting this? Ya never know, since he's had several posting names. Just sayin', have no idea.
:silenced::silenced::silenced::silenced:
The tree hugging ambulance chaser resurfaces ! ROFL.
DEPUTYDAWG
10-18-2008, 01:40 PM
The tree hugging ambulance chaser resurfaces ! ROFL.
My eyes! My eyes! I cannot get that photo out of my mind. :furious:
Ciara
10-24-2008, 01:31 PM
Everyday this man stays free galls me. I keep checking this thread hoping for some news. I dont want him to have a lovely Christmas Day at home with his family, I want him behind bars where he belongs. I think about Michelle often:frown:
PolkSaladAnnie
10-27-2008, 01:38 PM
Everyday this man stays free galls me. I keep checking this thread hoping for some news. I dont want him to have a lovely Christmas Day at home with his family, I want him behind bars where he belongs. I think about Michelle often:frown:
Hi Ciara - yup, me too :-)
Just logged on to specifically visit this thread ... check on updates myself and horrified he's still languishing in LITTLEville.
Couldn't agree with you more. It's a crying shame - a miscarriage of justice that this "twirp" has been allowed to ... well, live on and keep his fake story going as though nothing happened as he remains a "victim". Its cases like this that grab my stomach and make me realize that the world is sometimes truly, truly unfair.
Browsing back through last few posts I read JY lost his latest job. I BET many at his last company (Novo??) also saw what we all saw from day one: that (as appears to me) he's a lowlife creep (again - IMO) and remains free despite being nothing short of a useless liar, an obvious loser, a suckling leech and ... so much less than what society requires within its realm. This of course is my opinion and I guess it'll just never change!
Smiles and greetings to all posters. Here's trusting Michelle's Angel keeps flying for her and nabs the perp sooner rather than later.
Best: PSA x
Topsail Girl
10-27-2008, 04:01 PM
All posters please remember that we are coming up on the two year anniversary of Michelle's murder. Please keep her in your heart on Monday, Nov 3rd. There will be a small private ceremony and I'm sure some television coverage of the anniversary. Please say a prayer for Michelle, Cassidy, Rylan, Meredith and Linda.
sweetmop
10-27-2008, 11:51 PM
All posters please remember that we are coming up on the two year anniversary of Michelle's murder. Please keep her in your heart on Monday, Nov 3rd. There will be a small private ceremony and I'm sure some television coverage of the anniversary. Please say a prayer for Michelle, Cassidy, Rylan, Meredith and Linda.
One week from today. My goodness, I would have never thought we'd be here for 2 years still waiting on an arrest of this murderer!
I think about Meredith, Linda, and little Cassidy every day. And I have kept them in my prayers. Just knowing how frustrating it is to me that he's not been arrest, I can't even begin to imagine how Linda and Meredith must feel.
Yes, Michelle and Rylan are due justice for the horrific act commited upon them. And JLY deserves the proper punishment & not to be running around as a free man!
I hope and pray that his arrest comes soon.
whitywendy
10-28-2008, 08:38 AM
I woke up this morning and saw on the news that they arrested Nancy Cooper's husband for her murder. SO MAYBE JUST MAYBE they will set the ball in motion to arrest this evil man and give Michelle's family the peace they deserve.
Does anyone know when exactly will the statute of limitations be up for Linda to file a Civil Suit? I am so hoping that she hits him with one just as soon as he is arrested.
DogWood
10-28-2008, 10:53 AM
Does anyone know when exactly will the statute of limitations be up for Linda to file a Civil Suit? I am so hoping that she hits him with one just as soon as he is arrested.
2 years.
"Time is running out for Linda Fisher to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Jason Young, the man suspected of killing her daughter, Michelle Marie Fisher Young of Wake County."
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3832803/
Thanks Dogwood!
I was curious if it was 2 years from the date of the crime or the date that they call them suspects or POI. Thanks for clearing that up. I will be doing some praying this week and next!
Niner
11-01-2008, 01:30 AM
WOW - I can't believe that is HAS been 2 years!!! :confused: still awaiting arrest....
and will light a candle on Monday!
And THANKS - for the info that Nancy's husband got arrested... now tripping over to her thread! :woohoo:
tarheellvr
11-01-2008, 03:18 PM
My thoughts and prayers continue to be with Linda and Meredith..........
May you soon have peace.
Two years seems a terrible amount of time for Cassidy, Linda and Meredith to have to wait for resolution and justice in the horrible murders of their mother and brother, daughter and grandchild, sister and nephew. Resolution and justice must surely come soon. As hard as it is, later is better than never. One day...
momto3kids
11-02-2008, 09:32 AM
Anthony Wilson from WTVD mentioned this morning (9am) broadcast there is going to be a graveside memorial service for family and friend of MY.
I can't locate anywhere on their website any mention of this service and no time was given. I assume it is open for anyone to attend, but not certain, since it was a brief mention.
Anthony Wilson from WTVD mentioned this morning (9am) broadcast there is going to be a graveside memorial service for family and friend of MY.
I can't locate anywhere on their website any mention of this service and no time was given. I assume it is open for anyone to attend, but not certain, since it was a brief mention.
The service will take place at noon at Wake Memorial Park in Cary. It is private and limited to friends, family and invited guests.
[/URL][URL]http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3875169/ (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3875169/)
per_curiam
11-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Certainly Jason Young will want to be there to remember his murdered wife and son. He should especially want to make sure that Cassidy is there to remember her mom and say hello to her "other" grandma and aunt whom she never sees.
They got Cooper. Why oh why can't they get Jason Young? His actions are just as obvious. There's a place waiting for him at NC Central Prison. Ho DO these mamma's boys who have had everything in the material world get along in prison? Do they look at their reflections in the stainless steel fixtures and preen?
raisincharlie
11-02-2008, 02:38 PM
Certainly Jason Young will want to be there to remember his murdered wife and son. He should especially want to make sure that Cassidy is there to remember her mom and say hello to her "other" grandma and aunt whom she never sees.
They got Cooper. Why oh why can't they get Jason Young? His actions are just as obvious. There's a place waiting for him at NC Central Prison. Ho DO these mamma's boys who have had everything in the material world get along in prison? Do they look at their reflections in the stainless steel fixtures and preen?
My opinion - WCSO made a major blunder at the very beginning and it has been both hard to overcome and will be hard to defend in court. The amount of evidence that is public suggests there is a major flaw somewhere as that evidence alone squarely points to JY.
chauncey7381
11-02-2008, 07:32 PM
My opinion - WCSO made a major blunder at the very beginning and it has been both hard to overcome and will be hard to defend in court. The amount of evidence that is public suggests there is a major flaw somewhere as that evidence alone squarely points to JY.
What major blunder was that RC? I know the ME failed to obtain a rape kit during the autopsy cause one wasn't requested by LE. Did LE offend the Young family or something like that in the beginning---like confiscating his car, luggage phone etc....within 24 hours of Michelle being discovered?
raisincharlie
11-02-2008, 07:37 PM
What major blunder was that RC? I know the ME failed to obtain a rape kit during the autopsy cause one wasn't requested by LE. Did LE offend the Young family or something like that in the beginning---like confiscating his car, luggage phone etc....within 24 hours of Michelle being discovered?
I dunno what it could be - it is just my opinion it happened. As for the rape kit - LE did request it, it was clearly written on the forms. Dr. Clarke at the ME's office in Chapel Hill took it upon himself to decide not to do it as he saw no indication that a sexual assault occurred.
Then there is the tooth... and an NTO that was several days after the fact... they failed to take measurements of stains on furniture to provide scale as required and those are just the ones we know about. They finally got SBI help and went back to collect the deck boards, a year later...
raisincharlie
11-02-2008, 07:54 PM
Finally, a marker for Michelle and Rylan:
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6484376
Video link:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3877138/
chauncey7381
11-02-2008, 07:58 PM
I dunno what it could be - it is just my opinion it happened. As for the rape kit - LE did request it, it was clearly written on the forms. Dr. Clarke at the ME's office in Chapel Hill took it upon himself to decide not to do it as he saw no indication that a sexual assault occurred.
Then there is the tooth... and an NTO that was several days after the fact... they failed to take measurements of stains on furniture to provide scale as required and those are just the ones we know about. They finally got SBI help and went back to collect the deck boards, a year later...
Okay, I remember now, the ME overlooked the request and it came out the ME didn't think one was needed.
Is it known what kind of surprise, gift, whatever was intended for Michelle? What was the content of the fax her sister was dispatched to retrieve?
raisincharlie
11-02-2008, 08:03 PM
Okay, I remember now, the ME overlooked the request and it came out the ME didn't think one was needed.
Is it known what kind of surprise, gift, whatever was intended for Michelle? What was the content of the fax her sister was dispatched to retrieve?
Supposedly the gift was an anniversary gift (a month late) but it has been said it was a print out showing various Coach purses. Jy was going to have friends look to see which one might be best. I don't think that has every really been officially confirmed however.
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 10:58 AM
I really hope Sheriff Harrison makes me eat my words above:
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1279649.html
Sheriff Donnie Harrison said there are no new suspects in the case, but he hopes to make an arrest "in the near future." "We talk about this case nearly every day," Harrison said in an interview last week. "It's something that's still fresh."
Boyz_Mum
11-03-2008, 11:02 AM
I really hope Sheriff Harrison makes me eat my words above:
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1279649.html
Sheriff Donnie Harrison said there are no new suspects in the case, but he hopes to make an arrest "in the near future." "We talk about this case nearly every day," Harrison said in an interview last week. "It's something that's still fresh."
I really hope that Sheriff Harrison is correct and they can make an arrest and solve this case.
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 11:08 AM
I really hope that Sheriff Harrison is correct and they can make an arrest and solve this case.
Le should arrest him today - just to remind him of his evilness and to remind him of Michelle and Rylan.
Boyz_Mum
11-03-2008, 11:43 AM
Le should arrest him today - just to remind him of his evilness and to remind him of Michelle and Rylan.
I couldn't agree more. Today would be a great day for justice to be served for Michelle, Rylan and the family.
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 11:47 AM
I couldn't agree more. Today would be a great day for justice to be served for Michelle, Rylan and the family.
Le would have to go to the beach or someone's lakehouse to find him though. He's off on holiday since he lost another job.
Boyz_Mum
11-03-2008, 11:49 AM
Le would have to go to the beach or someone's lakehouse to find him though. He's off on holiday since he lost another job.
It makes me angry to think he's off enjoying himself in this life. :furious:
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 12:21 PM
It makes me angry to think he's off enjoying himself in this life. :furious:
Me too - but I believe his day will come in some form and it won't be pleasant. Especially if mommy isn't about to hold his little hand.
Topsail Girl
11-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Hi all,
The memorial was beautiful. Linda and Meredith unveiled the headstone and one of Michelle's co-workers talked about her and also read some quotes from the Bible and led us in prayer. One of our posters sent box of red rose pins and almost all of us got one. You can see tha ladies being interviewd are wearing them. There was about 50 people in attendance. WTVD had video of the headstone last night but I haven't been able to get video to work there today. The News & Observer also has a pretty good picture of the headstone. Let us all remember that sometimes making a decision about a headstone is painful because it is a type of acceptance of death in a way. Linda had to do this in her own way and in her own time. In the end the wait was worth it. (IMO)
ETA Thank you all so much for keeping Michelle, Cassidy and Rylan in your thoughts and hearts. One day they will have justice!!!
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 01:14 PM
Hi all,
The memorial was beautiful. Linda and Meredith unveiled the headstone and one of Michelle's co-workers talked about her and also read some quotes from the Bible and led us in prayer. One of our posters sent box of red rose pins and almost all of us got one. You can see tha ladies being interviewd are wearing them. There was about 50 people in attendance. WTVD had video of the headstone last night but I haven't been able to get video to work there today. The News & Observer also has a pretty good picture of the headstone. Let us all remember that sometimes making a decision about a headstone is painful because it is a type of acceptance of death in a way. Linda had to do this in her own way and in her own time. In the end the wait was worth it. (IMO)
ETA Thank you all so much for keeping Michelle, Cassidy and Rylan in your thoughts and hearts. One day they will have justice!!!
Good to know. I have to admit my admiration for the Fishers and their ability to remain positive and kind through this terrible event. 2 years is a very long time to have to keep from speaking one's mind. Guess it just takes love, and it is obvious Michelle was loved by those who count.
Topsail Girl
11-03-2008, 01:45 PM
2 years is a very long time and I don't know how Linda and Meredith do it. And all the while they are strong and beautiful and positive. I think one thing that helps is the lady bug sightings. In the oddest times and places. For instance yesterday at the memorial Linda had finished speaking and Michelle's co-worker was speaking and reading from the Bible and a lady bug flew over and sat on Linda's shoulder. Meredith has them around her home, on her porch and flowers constantly. Yesterday was a warm sunny day but most lady bugs would be long gone by now. Michelle wanted us to know she was with us......
SleuthyGal
11-03-2008, 03:09 PM
Hey TSG. The headstone Linda selected is lovely and perfect. Did I read correctly that she got to see Cassidy and release a balloon w/her? The article I read said something about that.
Topsail Girl
11-03-2008, 03:18 PM
Hey TSG. The headstone Linda selected is lovely and perfect. Did I read correctly that she got to see Cassidy and release a balloon w/her? The article I read said something about that.
Yes Linda, Meredith and Linda's mother were able to visit with Cassidy last weekend. They talked wih Cassidy about Michelle and Cassidy wrote a message to her mother on a balloon and Cassidy released it to her mother while Linda and Meredith looked on. I did not get to see it but I got to see pics of Cassidy yesterday. She has grown so much since the last pics I saw of her in May. She's just beautiful and she looks very much like Michelle.
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 03:32 PM
Yes Linda, Meredith and Linda's mother were able to visit with Cassidy last weekend. They talked wih Cassidy about Michelle and Cassidy wrote a message to her mother on a balloon and Cassidy released it to her mother while Linda and Meredith looked on. I did not get to see it but I got to see pics of Cassidy yesterday. She has grown so much since the last pics I saw of her in May. She's just beautiful and she looks very much like Michelle.
I'm glad they were able to see Cassidy. They need to see her more than once a year or when they can sneak in to see her. Cassidy needs to see them as well and to remember her Mother who loved her so.
hroark2112
11-03-2008, 04:28 PM
I'll admit I don't know much about this murder, but after reading the autopsy reports & search warrants....wow. I can't imagine what that poor lady went through.
So sad, and such a waste of life.
o/t but i found cute. i just moved into a new place a couple weeks ago. all weekend there were two little lady bugs walking around the ceiling of my new bathroom. actually they're still there. lol
raisincharlie
11-03-2008, 06:27 PM
I'll admit I don't know much about this murder, but after reading the autopsy reports & search warrants....wow. I can't imagine what that poor lady went through.
So sad, and such a waste of life.
Pretty horrific and yes very sad. A waste of two lives, Michelle and Rylan, and probably a scar forever on Cassidy. Evil
jilly
11-03-2008, 08:03 PM
Topsail Thank you so much for your report. The headstone is absolutely beautiful and I'm so happy that Linda, her mother and Meredith got to see Cassidy again.
I don't know how Linda does it but I admire her so much!
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 04:51 PM
Thanks Whit Wendy for the link.
Linda Fisher has filed a wrongful death suit against JY.
"The lawsuit, filed late Tuesday afternoon on behalf of Michelle Young's mother, Linda Fisher, claims Jason Young is liable for her daughter's death.
"There's not much more I can say than how much I miss Michelle," Fisher said.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3882830/
Wow. Guess it takes a Mum to get this done.
Seems to me if JY decides to remain silent for this one, he's definitely going to lose.
jilly
11-04-2008, 04:58 PM
Thanks Whit Wendy for the link.
Linda Fisher has filed a wrongful death suit against JY.
"The lawsuit, filed late Tuesday afternoon on behalf of Michelle Young's mother, Linda Fisher, claims Jason Young is liable for her daughter's death.
"There's not much more I can say than how much I miss Michelle," Fisher said.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3882830/
Wow. Guess it takes a Mum to get this done.
:woohoo::Banane09::Banane21::Banane33::Banane32:
SleuthyGal
11-04-2008, 05:02 PM
YEAH LINDA!!!
She can always choose to not go through with it later if she wants, but once that statute of limitations has passed, she'd be SOL if she didn't file.
Go Linda, Go!
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 05:02 PM
:woohoo::Banane09::Banane21::Banane33::Banane32::b ananajump::Banane05::Banane52::bananapowerslide::B anane57::Banane57::woohoo:
I'm glad to see this too Ms. Jilly.:)
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 05:11 PM
More detail here :
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1281718.html
In a suit filed in Wake Superior Court, Linda Lee Fisher seeks a court finding that Jason Young was his wife's killer or an accessory to her murder.
Fisher also asks the court to bar Young from receiving his wife's insurance benefits or other assets from her estate. She seeks at least $10,000 from Young to compensate for her daughter's death -- the standard minimum threshold for lawsuits in Superior Court.
jilly
11-04-2008, 05:13 PM
I'm glad to see this too Ms. Jilly.:)
Do you think this deserves it's own thread?
I'm ecstatic!!!!!
Folks were speculating that the Youngs' gave Linda a visit last week with Cassidy to appease her and make her reconsider about filing this. What do you think? Think seeing Cassidy now, is a thing of the past? It's sooo sad.
So! Will he show up and take the 5th or simply not contest it so that Linda will get a default judgment?
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 05:17 PM
Do you think this deserves it's own thread?
I'm ecstatic!!!!!
Folks were speculating that the Youngs' gave Linda a visit last week with Cassidy to appease her and make her reconsider about filing this. What do you think? Think seeing Cassidy now, is a thing of the past? It's sooo sad.
So! Will he show up and take the 5th or simply not contest it so that Linda will get a default judgment?
As far as Cassidy goes, all that hatefulness will come out at trial I think. It would not surprise me if the Young's withdrew any potential visits between Linda and Cassidy. I don't know - can Linda also seek access to Michalle's daughter as a part of the compensation ? Hmmmmmm.
jilly
11-04-2008, 05:23 PM
As far as Cassidy goes, all that hatefulness will come out at trial I think. It would not surprise me if the Young's withdrew any potential visits between Linda and Cassidy. I don't know - can Linda also seek access to Michalle's daughter as a part of the compensation ? Hmmmmmm.
Well....I think 2 yrs ago we were informed that grandparents had no rights in NC. Then came the Cooper case.
I was doing a search about it recently and it seems there is a provision for grandparents - I have no idea where that link is now, lol.
I think she would have to file in Family Court for this.
What gets me right now is that the Judge with held this suit from the media until jason was served. Wonder why?
Thanks for the links RC!:)
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 05:26 PM
Well....I think 2 yrs ago we were informed that grandparents had no rights in NC. Then came the Cooper case.
I was doing a search about it recently and it seems there is a provision for grandparents - I have no idea where that link is now, lol.
I think she would have to file in Family Court for this.
What gets me right now is that the Judge with held this suit from the media until jason was served. Wonder why?
Thanks for the links RC!:)
By law the filing cannot be made public until the DEFEDENT (sounds sooooo goooooood) is notifed of the action. Guess that kind of put a damper on his latest holiday with his buddy down there in S.C.
jilly
11-04-2008, 05:31 PM
By law the filing cannot be made public until the DEFEDENT (sounds sooooo goooooood) is notifed of the action. Guess that kind of put a damper on his latest holiday with his buddy down there in S.C.
Interesting!
By the wording of the document " Jason Young was his wife's killer or an accessory to her murder" - sounds like the holdup on the investigation is those shoe prints hey? They can't pin that size 10 Franklin on him.
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 05:36 PM
Interesting!
By the wording of the document " Jason Young was his wife's killer or an accessory to her murder" - sounds like the holdup on the investigation is those shoe prints hey? They can't pin that size 10 Franklin on him.
Could be Jilly since the shoes have not been found, could be indeed. It does seem to imply LE cannot confirm if JY had help or not. One thing is for sure. LE and the DA are going to be watching this very closely to see what happens. Seems to me just in the publically available warrants we have seen and the probable cause sections of those warrants that there is a significant amount of evidence which can used against Jy for the WD suit.
Just the Fax
11-04-2008, 05:45 PM
Could be Jilly since the shoes have not been found, could be indeed. It does seem to imply LE cannot confirm if JY had help or not. One thing is for sure. LE and the DA are going to be watching this very closely to see what happens. Seems to me just in the publically available warrants we have seen and the probable cause sections of those warrants that there is a significant amount of evidence which can used against Jy for the WD suit.
I thought something may be brewing when Linda refused to be interviewed Sunday. She seemed 'upbeat' at Meredith's house after the memorial but would not say anything...other than a smile when I asked her if there was anything new to report.
The 2/08 SW's offer more than enough to win a WD suit based on preponderance of the evidence. It will be found he more likely did it than not....easy burden based on what we know
Just the Fax
11-04-2008, 05:49 PM
Interesting!
By the wording of the document " Jason Young was his wife's killer or an accessory to her murder" - sounds like the holdup on the investigation is those shoe prints hey? They can't pin that size 10 Franklin on him.
Great news huh Jilly !!!!
I noticed the last reward poster last week said "person(s) responsible"
I think the size 10 shoes have been the hold up. They can place JY there with the Hush puppies. If he had an accomplice, they are waiting out that break so they can offer a deal to testify against JY, making it slam dunk. At some point, they go to trial with what they have and explain the possible '2 killer' theory and tell the jury they have 1 for now.
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 05:55 PM
I thought something may be brewing when Linda refused to be interviewed Sunday. She seemed 'upbeat' at Meredith's house after the memorial but would not say anything...other than a smile when I asked her if there was anything new to report.
The 2/08 SW's offer more than enough to win a WD suit based on preponderance of the evidence. It will be found he more likely did it than not....easy burden based on what we know
I have serious doubts JY will even show up.
Just the Fax
11-04-2008, 06:14 PM
I have serious doubts JY will even show up.
Good point. He may well concede and be found liable.
He is unemployed and flat broke.
I think he already knows he will never get the life insurance.
His biggest worry is life in prison or the needle.
except....if he found liable for MY's death, the Fisher's will have a solid case for custody.
What judge will allow someone responsible for the heinous death of his wife to be allowed to parent a child ????
DEPUTYDAWG
11-04-2008, 06:19 PM
By law the filing cannot be made public until the DEFEDENT (sounds sooooo goooooood) is notifed of the action. Guess that kind of put a damper on his latest holiday with his buddy down there in S.C.
LOL, yes, it looks good too! :woohoo:
I'm so glad she got that done. As I've told you before, THIS was a key, telling point to me - whether she would or wouldn't file it. That she did speaks volumes, IMO. She knows far more than any of us, knows the history of the marriage issues and what Michelle had told her in the weeks leading up to the murder, etc. Linda also knows what LE and the DA have told her (it's certainly limited, I'm sure...and rightfully so...but hello, she's got the jist of their case.)
You go, Linda!
RC, Shuze, Dog Wood, Jilly, etc - road trip?!?!?! :)
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 06:26 PM
Good point. He may well concede and be found liable.
He is unemployed and flat broke.
I think he already knows he will never get the life insurance.
His biggest worry is life in prison or the needle.
except....if he found liable for MY's death, the Fisher's will have a solid case for custody.
What judge will allow someone responsible for the heinous death of his wife to be allowed to parent a child ????
The custody issue is an interesting one for sure. The Cooper case makes it plain it can be done. Just don't know how complicated it would be now after all this time. I did notice in the N & O article the lawyer named, is also a lawyer that has been used by some of Nancy's friends with respect to the Cooper custody issue. Perhaps Linda can get some very good advice there but they would most likely end up going against Tharrington Smith, if JY can con his friends and family into footing the bill that is. Perhaps he should take a cheaper route and head for K & B :crazy:
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 06:27 PM
LOL, yes, it looks good too! :woohoo:
I'm so glad she got that done. As I've told you before, THIS was a key, telling point to me - whether she would or wouldn't file it. That she did speaks volumes, IMO. She knows far more than any of us, knows the history of the marriage issues and what Michelle had told her in the weeks leading up to the murder, etc. Linda also knows what LE and the DA have told her (it's certainly limited, I'm sure...and rightfully so...but hello, she's got the jist of their case.)
You go, Linda!
RC, Shuze, Dog Wood, Jilly, etc - road trip?!?!?! :)
I'm not sure I would be anything other than in a really bad bad mood just seeing JY. Wouldn't want to spoil the party. :crazy:
jilly
11-04-2008, 06:59 PM
Great news huh Jilly !!!!
I noticed the last reward poster last week said "person(s) responsible"
I think the size 10 shoes have been the hold up. They can place JY there with the Hush puppies. If he had an accomplice, they are waiting out that break so they can offer a deal to testify against JY, making it slam dunk. At some point, they go to trial with what they have and explain the possible '2 killer' theory and tell the jury they have 1 for now.
It is really good news!!:Banane21:
An hour ago I was doing the happy dance. Now I'm thinking about Linda and Cassidy.:( Mixed feeling right now.
I would like to jump on board with you on the 2 killer theory but how do they prove who did the beating? Both of them? They don't have the murder weapon. I think they've got to be more specific with who dealt the fatal blows.
Just the Fax
11-04-2008, 07:01 PM
It is really good news!!:Banane21:
An hour ago I was doing the happy dance. Now I'm thinking about Linda and Cassidy.:( Mixed feeling right now.
I would like to jump on board with you on the 2 killer theory but how do they prove who did the beating? Both of them? They don't have the murder weapon. I think they've got to be more specific with who dealt the fatal blows.
Naw, even if jy watched from the other room, he is just as guilty and could be charged with 1st degree murder.
But you are right, a jury will want to know Jason inflicted those brutal blows if they sentence him to death.
jilly
11-04-2008, 07:07 PM
RC, Shuze, Dog Wood, Jilly, etc - road trip?!?!?! :)
How ya doing Dep?!! Ohhhh sure is tempting.:) My dh already thinks I'm obsessed here so if I said I was going to a trial in North Carolina, I think I might be in a local Court here pleading my sanity!:crazy:
jilly
11-04-2008, 07:11 PM
Naw, even if jy watched from the other room, he is just as guilty and could be charged with 1st degree murder.
But you are right, a jury will want to know Jason inflicted those brutal blows if they sentence him to death.
OK - you've just convinced me! :dance:
jilly
11-04-2008, 07:17 PM
The custody issue is an interesting one for sure. The Cooper case makes it plain it can be done. Just don't know how complicated it would be now after all this time. I did notice in the N & O article the lawyer named, is also a lawyer that has been used by some of Nancy's friends with respect to the Cooper custody issue. Perhaps Linda can get some very good advice there but they would most likely end up going against Tharrington Smith, if JY can con his friends and family into footing the bill that is. Perhaps he should take a cheaper route and head for K & B :crazy:
I'm sure he'll con them for the full ride. TS sure has been put on a pedestal around there.
I hope Linda's lawyers took note of Wade Smith's comments during the Cooper case!:crazy:
per_curiam
11-04-2008, 08:08 PM
Love that comment from RC about Jason Young taking the "cheaper route and heading for K&B" 'cause he won't be able to afford TS. He won't be able to afford anyone.
I keep getting flashbacks of Jason driving Michelle around with her other pregnancies, having "car accidents". Especially, the one where they landed in the French Broad River. A divorce would have been so much easier and cheaper than murder. He could have started over. Now, he's sunk. No job, no money, mamma's boy, no women to tell about how he's a young professional who may someday "want another child".
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 08:49 PM
An additional aspect to the filing from NcWanted
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3879364/?d_feature_story=1
It also asks for compensation for the "horror, pain and suffering … caused by the defendant's fatal assault," reasonable funeral expenses and the monetary value to Cassidy for the loss of her mother.
jilly
11-04-2008, 08:50 PM
Here's the Complaint
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf
Zoom in and keep scrolling (if you're just finding out about this, like me:crazy:)
Linda's asking for a jury trial
raisincharlie
11-04-2008, 08:57 PM
Here's the Complaint
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf
Zoom in and keep scrolling (if you're just finding out about this, like me:crazy:)
Linda's asking for a jury trial
Thanks Jilly - interesting that Linda Fisher is the Executrix of Michelle's Estate - yes ? One would have thought Jy was but apparently not ?
jilly
11-04-2008, 09:03 PM
Thanks Jilly - interesting that Linda Fisher is the Executrix of Michelle's Estate - yes ? One would have thought Jy was but apparently not ?
I know. She's claiming for reimbursement of funeral expenses; she put on the headstone. Maybe he relinquished his rights 2 yrs ago. That wouldn't surprise me.
Samiya
11-05-2008, 02:23 AM
Jy was terminated shortly after the murder.
If only that were literally true! :blowkiss: How are ya Raisin??
hugs
Sami
Samiya
11-05-2008, 02:29 AM
Thanks Jilly - interesting that Linda Fisher is the Executrix of Michelle's Estate - yes ? One would have thought Jy was but apparently not ?
I am so glad that she is. Cassidy deserves to have someone who is looking out for her interests and not selfishly thinking of himself, as he has done so....... long before he returned to the house to kill Michelle and Rylan.
He deserves to suffer....
Samiya
11-05-2008, 02:34 AM
It is really good news!!:Banane21:
An hour ago I was doing the happy dance. Now I'm thinking about Linda and Cassidy.:( Mixed feeling right now.
I would like to jump on board with you on the 2 killer theory but how do they prove who did the beating? Both of them? They don't have the murder weapon. I think they've got to be more specific with who dealt the fatal blows.
Hey Jilly...
Just keep thinking of Linda *with* Cassidy.
It won't happen overnight..........
But it will happen!
hugs
Sami
xxx
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 08:28 AM
Hey Jilly...
Just keep thinking of Linda *with* Cassidy.
It won't happen overnight..........
But it will happen!
hugs
Sami
xxx
I hope so Sami, its a good thought to have.
JY will get his due some day, another good thought.
Hope you have been well Sami :)
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 08:39 AM
WRAL has stated that there will be a 10am EST press conference this morning concerning the WD law suit. Doesn't say if WRAL will cover it live but you may want to check and see.
Update : Conference moved until 11 al EST
jilly
11-05-2008, 11:33 AM
Wake sheriff weighs in on Jason Young lawsuit
"It's something I felt was coming," Harrison said Wednesday. "And my reaction is I think it was due and the right thing to do."
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3897023/
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 11:49 AM
Wake sheriff weighs in on Jason Young lawsuit
"It's something I felt was coming," Harrison said Wednesday. "And my reaction is I think it was due and the right thing to do."
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3897023/
Unfortunately, I tire at hearing Sheriff Harrison say they hope to resolve this soon - I know bad attitude, but it has been two years and now Linda Fisher is running the risk of not being able to see Cassidy at all. Incredibly sad.
jilly
11-05-2008, 12:07 PM
Unfortunately, I tire at hearing Sheriff Harrison say they hope to resolve this soon - I know bad attitude, but it has been two years and now Linda Fisher is running the risk of not being able to see Cassidy at all. Incredibly sad.
I'm with you RC! I'm even tired of looking at him!
Just the Fax
11-05-2008, 12:52 PM
Unfortunately, I tire at hearing Sheriff Harrison say they hope to resolve this soon - I know bad attitude, but it has been two years and now Linda Fisher is running the risk of not being able to see Cassidy at all. Incredibly sad.
WCSO sent their case to the DA long ago.
The 'delay' rests in the DA's office, as they have asked for more.
Believe me, the cops are frustrated too.
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 01:18 PM
WCSO sent their case to the DA long ago.
The 'delay' rests in the DA's office, as they have asked for more.
Believe me, the cops are frustrated too.
I'm sure they are, more so than us. But that is their job and the DA is doing their job, guess if they want more, then the case needs more. No need to keep saying soon...
I have been following this case for so long. I am just curious if anyone knows what they mean when they suggest another person being involved. I know that due to legal reasons, no one can post a name but do they actually have someone in mind or are they just speculating?
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 03:06 PM
I have been following this case for so long. I am just curious if anyone knows what they mean when they suggest another person being involved. I know that due to legal reasons, no one can post a name but do they actually have someone in mind or are they just speculating?
Honestly don't know the answer for sure. There were two bloody shoe prints from different shoes found on a pillow located in the crime scene. One print was identified as a certain Hushpuppy style, and proof of purchase in JY's size for that shoe. The second print came from a size 10 pair of Franklin tennis shoes - which have not been found and for which not proof of purchase by JY was discovered either. Jy wears a size 11 if I recall the SW data correctly. I suspect this may be why they cannot rule a second person out. I do not know if LE has any idea about who it might have been or even if they exist.
whitywendy
11-05-2008, 04:53 PM
Honestly don't know the answer for sure. There were two bloody shoe prints from different shoes found on a pillow located in the crime scene. One print was identified as a certain Hushpuppy style, and proof of purchase in JY's size for that shoe. The second print came from a size 10 pair of Franklin tennis shoes - which have not been found and for which not proof of purchase by JY was discovered either. Jy wears a size 11 if I recall the SW data correctly. I suspect this may be why they cannot rule a second person out. I do not know if LE has any idea about who it might have been or even if they exist.
I think he chose the different size shoe to throw off LE. I mean you can (not comfortably) fit into a pair shoes that are a size smaller. Who knows....would not surprise me one bit.
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 05:13 PM
I think he chose the different size shoe to throw off LE. I mean you can (not comfortably) fit into a pair shoes that are a size smaller. Who knows....would not surprise me one bit.
Different brands of shoes aren't always consistent in size. There has been much discussion of why SBI went back to the residence and collected deck boards from the back deck and the stain. Don't know precisely why but there has been talk Jy stained the deck not long before Michelle was murdered - will be interesting to see if a print consistent with a size 10 Franklin was found on some of those boards.
jilly
11-05-2008, 05:19 PM
Different brands of shoes aren't always consistent in size. There has been much discussion of why SBI went back to the residence and collected deck boards from the back deck and the stain. Don't know precisely why but there has been talk Jy stained the deck not long before Michelle was murdered - will be interesting to see if a print consistent with a size 10 Franklin was found on some of those boards.
Maybe these are the lab results that Donnie says they are still waiting for.
You're right about shoe sizes being inconsistent. You'd think they could simply compare the Franklin 10 with a Hush Puppy 12 or whatever.
Just the Fax
11-05-2008, 05:38 PM
Maybe these are the lab results that Donnie says they are still waiting for.
You're right about shoe sizes being inconsistent. You'd think they could simply compare the Franklin 10 with a Hush Puppy 12 or whatever.
The SW in Feb said the SBI would continue to work on the show impresion from the deck. He said 'forensics', so this sounds about right.
jilly
11-05-2008, 05:53 PM
The SW in Feb said the SBI would continue to work on the show impresion from the deck. He said 'forensics', so this sounds about right.
Thanks for correcting me jtf.:) Geez - I really gotta sharpen my pencil around here!:yes:
per_curiam
11-05-2008, 07:46 PM
I have ideas: Maybe Michelle's sister kept a pair of size 10s out in the garage for when she needed to muck around with Cassidy. Maybe Meredith put them on when she saw the mess. Or, maybe JY put them on. OR, maybe when JY had the deck stained, he hired someone who wore size 10s. Maybe that person (the hypothetical hired deck staining person in size 10s) was later hired again by JY to "help with the deed". Throwing those out there for you. Do they know if the Youngs hired anyone to do the deck staining? Or, if anyone came over before it dried and walked on the deck to leave prints? Still, how the heck would someone walk on a pillow during a murder and not remove the evidence of a shoe print in blood? Maybe the shoeprint was staged.
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 07:47 PM
The video with info from Linda's lawyers. Jy has 30 days to respond to the suit and WCSO says they will share infor with Linda's lawyers.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3904415/
Hi! I've followed this case (and many others!) but was only recently able to register due to my email account. Anyway, is there shoe-print technology that can determine whether a person was wearing a shoe that was too big or too small for them? For example, if someone was wearing a shoe that was too big, maybe the front of the shoe wouldn't press down as hard. Does anyone know what I am talking about or am I just dreaming?
Thanks for all of the info from the regulars here! I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts ever since the Laci Peterson case!
raisincharlie
11-05-2008, 10:05 PM
Hi! I've followed this case (and many others!) but was only recently able to register due to my email account. Anyway, is there shoe-print technology that can determine whether a person was wearing a shoe that was too big or too small for them? For example, if someone was wearing a shoe that was too big, maybe the front of the shoe wouldn't press down as hard. Does anyone know what I am talking about or am I just dreaming?
Thanks for all of the info from the regulars here! I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts ever since the Laci Peterson case!
Hi amm - welcome aboard !
I am aware that there are means of establishing the wear pattern, such as if one walks on more on the outer part of the foot or if one is more inclined to apply more pressure to the heel or toe area. I am not myself aware if it can be determined if the shoe fits properly or not with respect to size. Sorry i can't be of more help, perhaps someone else has more information and can pipe up to help you out. :)
Just the Fax
11-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Even if he takes the 5th on many questions, this will be the first time WCSO will see JY open his mouth in 2 years. They will be able to use any of his statements in a later criminal trial.
I think the cops and the DA welcome this unprecedented move before a criminal indictment. I can't imagine it could possibly harm their case against JY....it can only help, imo
jilly
11-05-2008, 10:09 PM
I've been trying to find something on this law firm that Linda has. I can't seem to find anything!:eek:
On the court documents they list a phone # and fax #. That's it. I thought all law firms had a website.
I've googled SC lawyers, wrongful death attornies and their name doesn't come up at all. I'm a little concerned.
Just the Fax
11-05-2008, 10:14 PM
I've been trying to find something on this law firm that Linda has. I can't seem to find anything!:eek:
On the court documents they list a phone # and fax #. That's it. I thought all law firms had a website.
I've googled SC lawyers, wrongful death attornies and their name doesn't come up at all. I'm a little concerned.
May be a good sign jillie
No need to run ads and yellow page solicitations.
Not ambulance chasers
Good attorney's don't need publicity
jilly
11-05-2008, 10:47 PM
May be a good sign jillie
No need to run ads and yellow page solicitations.
Not ambulance chasers
Good attorney's don't need publicity
I hope so jtf.
Samiya
11-06-2008, 02:50 AM
I have ideas: Maybe Michelle's sister kept a pair of size 10s out in the garage for when she needed to muck around with Cassidy. Maybe Meredith put them on when she saw the mess. Or, maybe JY put them on. OR, maybe when JY had the deck stained, he hired someone who wore size 10s. Maybe that person (the hypothetical hired deck staining person in size 10s) was later hired again by JY to "help with the deed". Throwing those out there for you. Do they know if the Youngs hired anyone to do the deck staining? Or, if anyone came over before it dried and walked on the deck to leave prints? Still, how the heck would someone walk on a pillow during a murder and not remove the evidence of a shoe print in blood? Maybe the shoeprint was staged.
So, in talking about Meredith putting on size 10 Franklins to muck around with Cassidy....
In consideration of the fact that Michelle was not supposed to even be home when Meredith came to the house, one would also deduce from that that Cassidy should not have been home either.
Therefore.....no reason for Meredith to change shoes when coming to the house, even if she did have 'muck around shoes' at the house for playing with Cassidy.
So there is no evidence of a receipt for Jason to have a new pair of Franklins.
May have bought them second hand from a thrift shop.
As for hiring someone to stain the deck....there would be receipts for the work that would have been found at the Birchleaf house. Had it been done by friend, it would still be easily found out as to who did it....because the staining would have become a topic of conversation by either Michelle or Jason with other friends. Michelle would also have mentioned it to at least Meredith, who was very close to Michelle.
Sami
Just the Fax
11-06-2008, 07:26 AM
If JY is deposed, how could he be compelled to say anything ?
We know his plan for the past 2 years......stay 100% mute.
Why would a deposition change that ?
Could he not plead the 5th on each and every question since a possible criminal charge is looming ?
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/1284198.html
raisincharlie
11-06-2008, 08:00 AM
I've been trying to find something on this law firm that Linda has. I can't seem to find anything!:eek:
On the court documents they list a phone # and fax #. That's it. I thought all law firms had a website.
I've googled SC lawyers, wrongful death attornies and their name doesn't come up at all. I'm a little concerned.
Jilly - these lawyers were used by some of Nancy Cooper's friends to make their arguments against BC's subpeona's for the load of information he was wanting from them prior to the last custody hearing. You can see those on the legal docs thread on Nancy's forum.
whitywendy
11-06-2008, 08:29 AM
So, in talking about Meredith putting on size 10 Franklins to muck around with Cassidy....
In consideration of the fact that Michelle was not supposed to even be home when Meredith came to the house, one would also deduce from that that Cassidy should not have been home either.
Therefore.....no reason for Meredith to change shoes when coming to the house, even if she did have 'muck around shoes' at the house for playing with Cassidy.
So there is no evidence of a receipt for Jason to have a new pair of Franklins.
May have bought them second hand from a thrift shop.
As for hiring someone to stain the deck....there would be receipts for the work that would have been found at the Birchleaf house. Had it been done by friend, it would still be easily found out as to who did it....because the staining would have become a topic of conversation by either Michelle or Jason with other friends. Michelle would also have mentioned it to at least Meredith, who was very close to Michelle.
Sami
Maybe he bought the shoes with cash. That would be hard to trace. I thought the shoe print on the pillow and the shoe print on the decking was the same style/size. I agree that if they had hired someone to stain the deck then it would of already been brought out in the open. I believe JY stained the deck. My husband stained ours and it looked great so I don't think they needed a professional.
I still think both shoes were his. He could've had the Franklins from a decade before. Anyway, I hope that they have had someone who fits into a size 12 Hush Puppy try on a size 10 Franklin to see how tight it is. It wouldn't surprise me if he could wear both.
jilly
11-06-2008, 12:04 PM
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3905707/
"The [Wake County] Clerk of Court could see that due to the potential of this lawsuit, on behalf of a 2-year-old child [Cassidy Young] that Jason Young had a conflict," said Jack Michaels, one of Fisher's attorneys.
Linda Fisher was named the executor of Michelle Young's estate last week. Fisher had been listed as the alternate executor, according to Michelle Young's will.
Thanks RC for your above response!
If JY is deposed, how could he be compelled to say anything ?
We know his plan for the past 2 years......stay 100% mute.
Why would a deposition change that ?
Could he not plead the 5th on each and every question since a possible criminal charge is looming ?
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/1284198.html
From what I can determine, JY can plea the 5th, but, IMHO, that would not bode well in front of a judge. The burden of proof is much lower in a civil trial. JY refuses to answer, IMHO, a judge would most likely determine he's refusing because it would incriminate himself, which would go towards him losing his defense of the case.
Looks like no matter which way he turns, JY is a loser here. At least civily.
JMHO
fran
DEPUTYDAWG
11-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Yeppers, OMG sums it up in simple terms, huh?
DEPUTYDAWG
11-06-2008, 09:20 PM
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3905707/
"The [Wake County] Clerk of Court could see that due to the potential of this lawsuit, on behalf of a 2-year-old child [Cassidy Young] that Jason Young had a conflict," said Jack Michaels, one of Fisher's attorneys.
Linda Fisher was named the executor of Michelle Young's estate last week. Fisher had been listed as the alternate executor, according to Michelle Young's will.
Thanks RC for your above response!
Excellent, Jilly! Thanks for posting it.
:blowkiss:
per_curiam
11-06-2008, 10:02 PM
So, in talking about Meredith putting on size 10 Franklins to muck around with Cassidy....
In consideration of the fact that Michelle was not supposed to even be home when Meredith came to the house, one would also deduce from that that Cassidy should not have been home either.
Therefore.....no reason for Meredith to change shoes when coming to the house, even if she did have 'muck around shoes' at the house for playing with Cassidy.
So there is no evidence of a receipt for Jason to have a new pair of Franklins.
May have bought them second hand from a thrift shop.
As for hiring someone to stain the deck....there would be receipts for the work that would have been found at the Birchleaf house. Had it been done by friend, it would still be easily found out as to who did it....because the staining would have become a topic of conversation by either Michelle or Jason with other friends. Michelle would also have mentioned it to at least Meredith, who was very close to Michelle.
Sami
SAMIYA, I also suggested in my next sentence that perhaps Meredith put the size 10 shoes on AFTER she saw the bloody mess. Now of course, we have different info that will lead to the size 10 shoe mystery. Jason's blistered toes and the podiatrist's testimony.:python:
Jason has so much going against him that he has done, I cannot understand what the holdup is for not arresting him. I'm not a specialist in this field, so I'll let the LE figure it out and do it right.
raisincharlie
11-07-2008, 01:54 PM
Hey Jilly...
Just keep thinking of Linda *with* Cassidy.
It won't happen overnight..........
But it will happen!
hugs
Sami
xxx
Sami,
Hope so to the above. Seems to me LE has given Linda some ammunition with this new search warrant. The most important statement I can see is on Page 14 - last line:
"Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to the lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wife's murder cannot be ruled out.
Then there is the whole section about medications - plumb scary to even think about. However, I hope such information will be useful to Linda securing her goals in this matter. Sending positive thoughts she will prevail.
gritguy
11-07-2008, 05:01 PM
If JY is deposed, how could he be compelled to say anything ?
We know his plan for the past 2 years......stay 100% mute.
Why would a deposition change that ?
Could he not plead the 5th on each and every question since a possible criminal charge is looming ?
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/1284198.html
I think you're right; the sanction really would be losing the case.
He could dodge the whole discovery thing if he just didn't answer the lawsuit and allowed a default judgment. Perhaps a strategy if he thinks (which he damn sure should) that he will lose that case.
This guy needs to go down!!!
Just the Fax
11-10-2008, 10:22 PM
Full press conference with 2 attorneys representing LF in the WD suit.
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/3904724/
1- 100% of the estate to Cassidy
2- "if" Jason answers the suit by 30 days, they will proceed to discovery and that will involve deposing him. He may decline and accept a default judgment since he knows he has no chance to prevail....save mommy's cash for the criminal trial.
3- They did complete due diligence and feel they have a very strong case to prove Jason Young murdered Michelle
4- The cops and DA have shared a lot of 'confidential' investigation evidence.
5- Could not answer for the DA as to why he has not yet filed murder charges. However, they did say the investigation remains very active.
6- They are not involved in possible custody case...perhaps that will come later with another firm that specializes in domestic cases.
These guys are not flashy ambulance chaser plaintiff lawyers.
I hear they are superb litigators in a court room and will represent Linda and Cassidy (in the name of Michelle and Rylan) to prove Jason Lynn Young is a cold blooded killer
DEPUTYDAWG
11-11-2008, 03:11 PM
Thank you.
That answered my questions I had regarding how she became the sole executor and whether Jason had to agree to it, or had knowledge of it beforehand.
Go Linda!
sweetmop
11-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Full press conference with 2 attorneys representing LF in the WD suit.
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/3904724/
1- 100% of the estate to Cassidy
2- "if" Jason answers the suit by 30 days, they will proceed to discovery and that will involve deposing him. He may decline and accept a default judgment since he knows he has no chance to prevail....save mommy's cash for the criminal trial.
3- They did complete due diligence and feel they have a very strong case to prove Jason Young murdered Michelle
4- The cops and DA have shared a lot of 'confidential' investigation evidence.
5- Could not answer for the DA as to why he has not yet filed murder charges. However, they did say the investigation remains very active.
6- They are not involved in possible custody case...perhaps that will come later with another firm that specializes in domestic cases.
These guys are not flashy ambulance chaser plaintiff lawyers.
I hear they are superb litigators in a court room and will represent Linda and Cassidy (in the name of Michelle and Rylan) to prove Jason Lynn Young is a cold blooded killer
Thanks for this link JTF.:)
So, these attorneys seem to know their stuff and are ready to fight for Linda and Cassidy? They have great presense and I'm happy that Linda has obtained the best! Wonderful!
God bless Linda Fisher, such a strong woman, I admire her so much. I can not begin to imagine how horrible these past 2 years have been for her and for Meredith.
per_curiam
11-11-2008, 06:04 PM
If it ever comes down to Cassidy being placed in the custody of Meredith or Linda F., what sort of trauma will that do to Cassie, as far as transitioning from one familiar lifestyle to another. I believe that the Youngs (Jason, Mamma, sisters, etc.) wanted to keep Cassidy away from Michelle's family for several reasons: to keep Cassidy from remembering them. She was so young. It's easier to forget. Next, of course to keep Cassidy from being questioned by anyone or for keeping anyone from hearing Cassidy say anything that would be "telling".
Certainly there is trauma from Cassidy's seeing her mom dead in the room. There will be post traumatic problems affecting her as time goes on and she learns more. There is psychological trauma when moving a child Cassie's age (at the time of Michelle's murder) from one lifestyle to another (her mother's arms and care into Mamma Young's lair).
Then, if Cassidy is put into the custody of Mamma Y. or Jason's sister or the Fisher family, there will be yet another trauma to Cassidy. All the way around, this child (as with the Cooper children too) are forever traumatized now and down the road.
I suppose I am only thinking out loud here. Stupid stupid adults who kill. They kill the child in the long run.
jilly
11-11-2008, 06:09 PM
Thank you.
That answered my questions I had regarding how she became the sole executor and whether Jason had to agree to it, or had knowledge of it beforehand.
Go Linda!
Hey Dep!:blowkiss:
My questions answered too! He must be really pizzed about this hey? My eyes popped open when they said notice to jason wasn't required!!
Do you or anyone else remember the terms of this Life Insurance Policy? Just so I have it clear - was it a $1 million payout to either Michelle or jason if one of them died and $1 million to Cassidy if both parents died?
Just the Fax
11-11-2008, 07:48 PM
Hey Dep!:blowkiss:
My questions answered too! He must be really pizzed about this hey? My eyes popped open when they said notice to jason wasn't required!!
Do you or anyone else remember the terms of this Life Insurance Policy? Just so I have it clear - was it a $1 million payout to either Michelle or jason if one of them died and $1 million to Cassidy if both parents died?
Jilly, the news reported the policy was on Michelle's life @$1,000,000.
per_curiam
11-12-2008, 12:18 PM
That one million in life insurance would've paid lots of Jason's way in the panty hose and purse department, as well a many exciting vacations with mountaineer Mamma. He was too dumb to figure out that killing his wife and son wasn't gonna work.
SleuthyGal
11-12-2008, 01:00 PM
Divorce, alimony, child support is ALWAYS cheaper in the long run. Not to mention the better and legal way to proceed, allowing one to have the rest of their life ahead of them.
These dumbwits never consider that and always think they'll be the one to get away with their actions. And most of the time, they are wrong.
jilly
11-12-2008, 02:21 PM
Jilly, the news reported the policy was on Michelle's life @$1,000,000.
:eek::eek::eek:
terminatrixator
11-12-2008, 10:59 PM
Agent 050 on District Attorney Power
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/blogpost/3949156/
by Agent 050
Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 6:35 p.m.
Updated: Nov. 12, 2008 8:35 p.m.
In Wake County, why would Brad Cooper be charged, but not Jason Young? In Durham County, why would Michael Peterson be charged, but not Raven Abaroa? In Granville County, why has Kelly Morris's husband not been charged?
A simplified answer: The District Attorneys are refusing to move forward in those cases.
A well-respected district attorney once told me: "Prosecutors are the most powerful people in the system. By signing my name, I can dismiss a first-degree murder charge, or I can send the charge to the grand jury."
SEE LINK FOR REST OF ARTICLE
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/blogpost/3949156/
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Very intriguing blog and very correct assumption on how the DA's office actually works.
I also agree with Agent 050 - that Jason and Raven shouldn't get too comfortable.
WSPeaches
11-13-2008, 02:31 AM
JustTheFax or anyone else who knows --
What are the laws in N.C. wrt what can be subpoena'd of a therapist's records?
raisincharlie
11-13-2008, 09:09 AM
JustTheFax or anyone else who knows --
What are the laws in N.C. wrt what can be subpoena'd of a therapist's records?
I cannot cite you the specific section of NC law however in this case, and it is unclear how this came about, but the therapist Michelle went to see provided her notes to a Superior Court judge who reviewed the notes in their chambers and ruled the notes were relevant to Michelle's murder. As I understand it, the notes were not made avialable to LE for inclusion in the case file but were provided to an investigator from the DA's office.
It is not clear if the therapist contacted the DA concerning her meetings with Michelle or if the DA contacted her requesting the notes. Either way, based on the judge's ruling, the relevance of the notes to the murder, and the fact Michelle is deceased appear to have alleviated the need for client/doctor priviledge in this case.
Kadie
11-13-2008, 12:21 PM
I'd really like to see what those "notes" have to say....should be interesting!!
WSPeaches
11-14-2008, 02:56 AM
Thanks, RC!
Me, too, Kadie.
tarheellvr
11-14-2008, 11:14 AM
Tick Tock......Tick Tock.....Tick Tock.....Tick Tock
Are you ready Jason?
http://www.trulia.com/homes/North_Carolina/Raleigh/sold/117485-5108-BIRCHLEAF-DR-RALEIGH-NC-27606
Goodness, wonder if the new owners know the history? I just couldn't live in a home with a history like this....
Just the Fax
11-14-2008, 01:37 PM
Michelle Young's mother filed a wrongful death lawsuit against her son-in-law late last month, claiming he is responsible for her daughter's beating death more than two years ago.
Linda Fisher also wants Jason Young to lose property rights to a townhouse the couple once shared, according to a civil summons filed in Wake County District Court.
Michelle and Jason Young lived in the residence at Trinity Square Townhomes in Raleigh prior to moving to 5108 Birchleaf Drive.
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3960867 (http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3960867)
Looks like this is jason Young's only appreciable asset
Jason has owned the townhouse for 5 years....it should sell for $179,000
The original mortgage amount was $131,040 + $15,500 second = $146K.
Looks like after 5 years , the remaining principal is close to $139,000 .....$40,000 equity
....$30,000 net after real estate fees at sale.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/JH160155.jpg
http://www.trulia.com/homes/North_Carolina/Raleigh/sold/117485-5108-BIRCHLEAF-DR-RALEIGH-NC-27606
According to the link above, it sold for $370,000 on Jun 27 2008.
Just the Fax
11-14-2008, 04:25 PM
http://www.trulia.com/homes/North_Carolina/Raleigh/sold/117485-5108-BIRCHLEAF-DR-RALEIGH-NC-27606
According to the link above, it sold for $370,000 on Jun 27 2008.
That is the primary home.....we are talking about his rental property that he still owns
http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/Account.asp?id=0246979&stype=owner&owner=young%2C+jason&spg=1
SleuthyGal
11-14-2008, 06:29 PM
I hope Linda gets it ALL!
Of course she'd rather have her daughter and grandson, and a close rel'p with Cassidy, but this is the only thing she can do so I hope she prevails.
per_curiam
11-14-2008, 07:31 PM
Before the town home was Michelle's and Jason's, it was deeded to Ryan Schaad and Jason Young. Look on the deed tab.
Now we need someone to check out Ryan Schaad. (I think I am remembering the name correctly).
OK, checked out Ryan Schaad. He's now living in a single family home according to the Wake.gov real estate search. Raleigh. Must be a family man now (Ryan S.).
j2mirish
11-14-2008, 07:59 PM
Tick Tock......Tick Tock.....Tick Tock.....Tick Tock
Are you ready Jason?
tired of hearing it will be any day--:bang:
he should be behind bars as we type
jilly
11-14-2008, 10:31 PM
tired of hearing it will be any day--:bang:
he should be behind bars as we type
I hear ya!:blowkiss:
raisincharlie
11-14-2008, 10:47 PM
Before the town home was Michelle's and Jason's, it was deeded to Ryan Schaad and Jason Young. Look on the deed tab.
Now we need someone to check out Ryan Schaad. (I think I am remembering the name correctly).
OK, checked out Ryan Schaad. He's now living in a single family home according to the Wake.gov real estate search. Raleigh. Must be a family man now (Ryan S.).
Mr. Schaad is married, to the young lady who spent the evening with Michelle the night she was murdered.
per_curiam
11-15-2008, 08:09 AM
Oh my. So do you think the Schaad guy may know something? Of course they've already thought to ask about that (LE). Poor Ms. Schaad. She probably needs trauma counseling knowing she was in the house just before the murder. Why haven't the WS posters talked this one up? (The Schaad guy living w/Jason before he was with Michelle, in the townhome they owned and eventually, Michelle and Jason owned? I mean, here I had to go to the deed to find out for the first time. WS talks about everything, but haven't heard this townhome story, or that it was Ms. Schaad that was w/Michelle the night of the murder.)
If I were LE, I'd have already talked to the Schaad's! I know, they have most certainly many times. I do remember the report that the woman who was watching TV w/Michelle Y. that night said that she felt like she was being watched. Is that right? It's been a long time.
SleuthyGal
11-15-2008, 08:24 AM
Why haven't the WS posters talked this one up? (The Schaad guy living w/Jason before he was with Michelle, in the townhome they owned and eventually, Michelle and Jason owned? I mean, here I had to go to the deed to find out for the first time. WS talks about everything, but haven't heard this townhome story, or that it was Ms. Schaad that was w/Michelle the night of the murder.)
What makes you think it wasn't discussed on WS? This case is 2 years old now and discussions have gone on the entire time. You're only seeing the most recent threads; there's a whole world of archived threads. The posters following this case closely and from the beginning are some of the brightest, most thorough, thoughtful, and well-connected (my observation from following it over the last couple of months). If there's an angle to the Young case, they're on it, without a doubt, and probably were one of the first to discuss it way back when.
raisincharlie
11-15-2008, 09:41 AM
Oh my. So do you think the Schaad guy may know something? Of course they've already thought to ask about that (LE). Poor Ms. Schaad. She probably needs trauma counseling knowing she was in the house just before the murder. Why haven't the WS posters talked this one up? (The Schaad guy living w/Jason before he was with Michelle, in the townhome they owned and eventually, Michelle and Jason owned? I mean, here I had to go to the deed to find out for the first time. WS talks about everything, but haven't heard this townhome story, or that it was Ms. Schaad that was w/Michelle the night of the murder.)
If I were LE, I'd have already talked to the Schaad's! I know, they have most certainly many times. I do remember the report that the woman who was watching TV w/Michelle Y. that night said that she felt like she was being watched. Is that right? It's been a long time.
You would have to go back to threads very near the beginning of the case. The townhome and RS were discussed, disected every imaginable way and shredded basically. Including his work history, history relating to Jy to Kevin Saum and a murder of a fellow down by Atlanta - you name it, it is in the earlier threads.
WSPeaches
11-15-2008, 12:10 PM
Per_Curiam, do a search on "Schaad," and click so it'll bring up posts, rather than threads. I think you'll find what you're looking for. As a latecomer to this case, I have had to do a lot of that sort of thing!
Just the Fax
11-15-2008, 12:12 PM
Before the town home was Michelle's and Jason's, it was deeded to Ryan Schaad and Jason Young. Look on the deed tab.
Now we need someone to check out Ryan Schaad. (I think I am remembering the name correctly).
OK, checked out Ryan Schaad. He's now living in a single family home according to the Wake.gov real estate search. Raleigh. Must be a family man now (Ryan S.).
Yes per_curiam, we know all about RS...yes , he is now repulsed by JY
We also know probably too much about any name involved with Jason and Michelle Young.
We make it our business to know who surrounds a killer.;)
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/ryanwy8ym2.jpg
per_curiam
11-15-2008, 05:50 PM
Thanks. I'm on it.
scandi
11-16-2008, 05:09 AM
If it ever comes down to Cassidy being placed in the custody of Meredith or Linda F., what sort of trauma will that do to Cassie, as far as transitioning from one familiar lifestyle to another. I believe that the Youngs (Jason, Mamma, sisters, etc.) wanted to keep Cassidy away from Michelle's family for several reasons: to keep Cassidy from remembering them. She was so young. It's easier to forget. Next, of course to keep Cassidy from being questioned by anyone or for keeping anyone from hearing Cassidy say anything that would be "telling".
Certainly there is trauma from Cassidy's seeing her mom dead in the room. There will be post traumatic problems affecting her as time goes on and she learns more. There is psychological trauma when moving a child Cassie's age (at the time of Michelle's murder) from one lifestyle to another (her mother's arms and care into Mamma Young's lair).
Then, if Cassidy is put into the custody of Mamma Y. or Jason's sister or the Fisher family, there will be yet another trauma to Cassidy. All the way around, this child (as with the Cooper children too) are forever traumatized now and down the road.
I suppose I am only thinking out loud here. Stupid stupid adults who kill. They kill the child in the long run.
How true Per_Curiam, that children always suffer when they are the victims of a crime.
I think in this case Love will win out over everything else. And Cassidy will grow and blossom being around those who love and care about her. That is all it will take IMO. xox
j2mirish
11-16-2008, 10:18 PM
I hear ya!:blowkiss:
hi jilly- backatcha :blowkiss:
per_curiam
11-17-2008, 12:08 PM
]What makes you think it wasn't discussed on WS? [/B] This case is 2 years old now and discussions have gone on the entire time. You're only seeing the most recent threads; there's a whole world of archived threads. The posters following this case closely and from the beginning are some of the brightest, most thorough, thoughtful, and well-connected (my observation from following it over the last couple of months). If there's an angle to the Young case, they're on it, without a doubt, and probably were one of the first to discuss it way back when.
I KNOW that it was discussed on WS. I wonder why I hadn't remembered it being "talked up" on WS. Now that I've ventured back through searching, I recall it now. I am interested to know what LE may have wanted to know (from Schaad's viewpoint) about JY's "feelings"...regarding Michelle Young, old girlfriends, etc., his personality, just because I like to know those things too.
Yes, I realize Michelle's murder was in early Nov. 2006. I live in the same area. The Schaad name just didn't ring a bell with my memory.
I will admit that I want to see Jason Lynn Young cringe, quiver and "fall plumb to his knees" one big time when he is arrested.:devil: Those clouds have been lingering too long and low over justice, IMO.
SleuthyGal
11-17-2008, 01:40 PM
He's gonna get his, I have faith. I don't have a lot of patience, I'll admit, but I do have faith. I never thought BC would be arrested this quickly--that helped restore my faith in the system (and confirmed that our DA was, in fact, still alive and kicking). I had started to wonder about that.
jilly
11-17-2008, 07:41 PM
He's gonna get his, I have faith. I don't have a lot of patience, I'll admit, but I do have faith. I never thought BC would be arrested this quickly--that helped restore my faith in the system (and confirmed that our DA was, in fact, still alive and kicking). I had started to wonder about that.
Funny SG - I was just thinking the other day that we have to be the most patient posters on the Internet:crazy:.....but I think you're right, the Cooper case has helped.
I think we were all starting to wonder about the DA.:yes:
So what do you think it'll take to bring on an arrest? It absolutely disgusts me that he is still walking around.
momto3kids
11-17-2008, 08:33 PM
I think we were all starting to wonder about the DA.:yes:
So what do you think it'll take to bring on an arrest?
Exlax. Guess I need to send him some addressed, "for use on JY case."
per_curiam
11-17-2008, 09:30 PM
Ex Lax! <snort> !! Send him some of the prison label toilet paper too. :D:run::run::run:
momto3kids
11-18-2008, 12:01 AM
HAHA...I meant Ex Lax to the DA. As the saying goes, "chit or get off the pot" with the JY case.
PC...we could request BC to send JY the prison toilet paper signed, "can't wait to meet my new roommate!"
per_curiam
11-18-2008, 01:03 AM
Mom, that's what I meant: send the DA some of the prison label tpaper. That and the ExLax will get his butt moving. They probably use sawdust from the "hobby room" at the prison to make into toilet paper for the jailmates. Splintery, and a renewable resource too.
jilly
11-18-2008, 09:54 AM
:laugh:Exlax. Guess I need to send him some addressed, "for use on JY case."
:floorlaugh: Very:thumb: clever Mom!
Just the Fax
11-18-2008, 10:30 AM
The Novo Nordisk computer forensics may take a while.
I was told the SBI does this in a "cue" and this is not the only case they are looking at hard drive data.
State budgets are tight, so a private computer forensic firm is out of the question.
I hope JY is scheduled for deposition ASAP in December rather than drawing it out into 2009. Though I bet he takes the 5th, the cops will be very interested in his response....don't look for an arrest until they know the direction of this possible civil discovery...imo.
raisincharlie
11-18-2008, 10:46 AM
The Novo Nordisk computer forensics may take a while.
I was told the SBI does this in a "cue" and this is not the only case they are looking at hard drive data.
State budgets are tight, so a private computer forensic firm is out of the question.
I hope JY is scheduled for deposition ASAP in December rather than drawing it out into 2009. Though I bet he takes the 5th, the cops will be very interested in his response....don't look for an arrest until they know the direction of this possible civil discovery...imo.
From reading the warrant, last page in particular, it seems Novo recovered the data for LE. The warrant is for the data - page 1. Perhaps all that is required is a verification procedure.
Just the Fax
11-18-2008, 05:30 PM
From reading the warrant, last page in particular, it seems Novo recovered the data for LE. The warrant is for the data - page 1. Perhaps all that is required is a verification procedure.
Raw data on a large hard-drive can be like a reading a road map to nowhere. I think the time consuming part is organizing the file fragments and determining if the browser searches, cache files and e-mails are of evidenciary value. I imagine that process would quite time consuming.
raisincharlie
11-18-2008, 07:22 PM
Raw data on a large hard-drive can be like a reading a road map to nowhere. I think the time consuming part is organizing the file fragments and determining if the browser searches, cache files and e-mails are of evidenciary value. I imagine that process would quite time consuming.
I would agree if the hard drive had been seized, it was not.
DEPUTYDAWG
11-18-2008, 09:28 PM
The Novo Nordisk computer forensics may take a while.
I was told the SBI does this in a "cue" and this is not the only case they are looking at hard drive data.
State budgets are tight, so a private computer forensic firm is out of the question.
I hope JY is scheduled for deposition ASAP in December rather than drawing it out into 2009. Though I bet he takes the 5th, the cops will be very interested in his response....don't look for an arrest until they know the direction of this possible civil discovery...imo.
I now work for a LE agency that has its own internal computer forensics lab. I'd be glad to ask any questions you may have (I can't answer, as it's all basically like Greek to me).
Watching those that do the forensics exams, it appears that they average 1-3 days to complete, but as you mentioned, there's usually a backlog. We did have another agency call one day to see if one of our experts could do an exam on a computer from a murdered man's house, and that one did get "bumped" up in the order. However, it was a new case, versus one that was 2 years old.
DEPUTYDAWG
11-18-2008, 09:30 PM
I would agree if the hard drive had been seized, it was not.
Just sayin' hello!
traveler
11-18-2008, 09:34 PM
I would agree if the hard drive had been seized, it was not.
I agree with you Raisincharlie - the warrant was executed and returned within 1 minute of each other on Nov 6. I was under the impression that once a SW was returned, the search was over. Is that not the case?
Just the Fax
11-18-2008, 09:49 PM
I agree with you Raisincharlie - the warrant was executed and returned within 1 minute of each other on Nov 6. I was under the impression that once a SW was returned, the search was over. Is that not the case?
No it is not the case.
The SW was needed before LE could analyze the data.
Just the Fax
11-18-2008, 09:56 PM
I would agree if the hard drive had been seized, it was not.
Novo Nordisk has reportedly been able to recover data from the hard drive of the computer issued to Jason Young. This search warrant is being requested for the limited purpose of gathering possible evidence and recovered data from a computer used by Jason Young that is the personal property of Novo Nordisk
Yes, the drive data was apparently copied and given to LE.
Guess that saved the SBI about an hour or so ?
Just the Fax
11-18-2008, 10:05 PM
I now work for a LE agency that has its own internal computer forensics lab. I'd be glad to ask any questions you may have (I can't answer, as it's all basically like Greek to me).
Watching those that do the forensics exams, it appears that they average 1-3 days to complete, but as you mentioned, there's usually a backlog. We did have another agency call one day to see if one of our experts could do an exam on a computer from a murdered man's house, and that one did get "bumped" up in the order. However, it was a new case, versus one that was 2 years old.
Thanks for the insider answer DD.
Like I said, I was told there is a backlog at the SBI for computer forensic exams,,,no different from the DNA backlogs in our lab.....our State budgets are being cut as we speak.
raisincharlie
11-19-2008, 10:30 AM
I agree with you Raisincharlie - the warrant was executed and returned within 1 minute of each other on Nov 6. I was under the impression that once a SW was returned, the search was over. Is that not the case?
Not necessarily with computer's. If there was a hard drive seized under a warrant, there will need to be another warrant for the retrieval of the data contained within the hard drive. This is necessary to establish and document custody of the property. What is contained on a hard drive is not openly viewable and must therefore be obtained under a warrant separate from the warrant for the physical drive.
My interpretation of this warrant is Novo did a search of their computer which had been used by JY and provided that recovered data to LE - not the drive. The property to be seized section of this warrant is for the data only, no mention of a physical seizure of the drive or a copy of said drive, and is served on a legal firm representing Novo. What can be expected if it goes to trial is for Novo to present how they obtained the data.
raisincharlie
11-19-2008, 10:32 AM
Novo Nordisk has reportedly been able to recover data from the hard drive of the computer issued to Jason Young. This search warrant is being requested for the limited purpose of gathering possible evidence and recovered data from a computer used by Jason Young that is the personal property of Novo Nordisk
Yes, the drive data was apparently copied and given to LE.
Guess that saved the SBI about an hour or so ?
More than that and no need for SBI to do anything if the recovered data was handed over in printed form.
Just the Fax
11-19-2008, 04:16 PM
Not necessarily with computer's. If there was a hard drive seized under a warrant, there will need to be another warrant for the retrieval of the data contained within the hard drive. This is necessary to establish and document custody of the property. What is contained on a hard drive is not openly viewable and must therefore be obtained under a warrant separate from the warrant for the physical drive.
My interpretation of this warrant is Novo did a search of their computer which had been used by JY and provided that recovered data to LE - not the drive. The property to be seized section of this warrant is for the data only, no mention of a physical seizure of the drive or a copy of said drive, and is served on a legal firm representing Novo. What can be expected if it goes to trial is for Novo to present how they obtained the data.
Keep in mind this hard drive belongs to Novo Nordisk and not JY.
If they voluntarily turned that over to LE (like video given by Hampton), no SW for the actual computer or drive was needed. However, a SW is required to open and analyze the data from the hard drive.
Based on the very clear protocol for recovering forensic data from computer hard drives, I sure hope the data was not simply mined by an IT tech at Novo. These searches should be done by LE or a certified and fully trained private forensic computer lab...if not, the defense will be all over the authenticity of recovered data used against JY.
Because Novo has no sales office in Raleigh, I think they sent the hard drive to a local law office and WCSO served the SW there....picking up the computer drive at the same time.
per_curiam
11-23-2008, 10:28 AM
Things are slow around here. Jason Young is still waking up in his warm bed. Mamma is still making his pancakes and hot cocoa every morning, I assume, cutting them up for him and wiping his hands and mouth after he eats? All this while Michelle Young and her baby lie cold and lifeless in their graves and Cassidy has had her life twisted and changed forever? Justice, it is too late to be swift. Justice, be deserving,harsh and cold! Justice. Where, oh where is Justice?
Just the Fax
11-23-2008, 10:36 AM
Things are slow around here. Jason Young is still waking up in his warm bed. Mamma is still making his pancakes and hot cocoa every morning, I assume, cutting them up for him and wiping his hands and mouth after he eats? All this while Michelle Young and her baby lie cold and lifeless in their graves and Cassidy has had her life twisted and changed forever? Justice, it is too late to be swift. Justice, be deserving,harsh and cold! Justice. Where, oh where is Justice?
http://exxy23.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/littleboy.jpg
http://exxy23.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/ncwanted.jpg
Just the Fax
11-23-2008, 11:49 AM
Check out 'fun photos' thread for Jayboy laughs
(courtesy of exxy press)
:D
SleuthyGal
11-23-2008, 11:51 AM
LOLOL...someone has some seriously good Photoshop skills (and a wonderfully twisted sense of humor). :applause:
SleuthyGal
11-23-2008, 11:52 AM
stupid question of the day because I'm too lazy to go back through the archives: who is this "gojo" person? Friend of the killer? Family member of the killer?
Just the Fax
11-23-2008, 11:56 AM
stupid question of the day because I'm too lazy to go back through the archives: who is this "gojo" person? Friend of the killer? Family member of the killer?
"gojo" was "Jake" here before he was banned.
He told us he is a retired HS english teacher from Brevard and a close family friend of the Young's . He started posting 2/07 and 'outed' himself on the CTV boards with his real name. :eek:
http://exxy23.wordpress.com/about/
"This blog tells the story of a very disturbed person. Posting under multiple nicknames on multiple crime forums, this person makes frequent veiled threats against those who disagree with him on the boards. His nicknames will be posted here, and his threats.
This blog also contains the author’s opinions and satirical sketches, and an added bonus: photoshopped parodies by the author’s friends."
SleuthyGal
11-23-2008, 11:59 AM
thanks! Can't believe he actually thinks JLY is innocent of this murder. denial runs very deep, I suppose.
JaneInOz
11-23-2008, 11:08 PM
Hi first time in these threads about Michelle Young
I am so into so many other cases atm I think my head might explode if I read all of this..but I looked at Mauras detailed thread and a couple of others.
Is this similar to SP and Laci case ? except this guy hasnt been charged ?
Did I get this right that there is a place a REAL place that Sabrina The teenage witch was based on and that an actual girl did die there , same place where MY went to school ?
That lots of things are based on this suburb ?
shack
11-24-2008, 02:38 PM
Hi first time in these threads about Michelle Young
I am so into so many other cases atm I think my head might explode if I read all of this..but I looked at Mauras detailed thread and a couple of others.
Is this similar to SP and Laci case ? except this guy hasnt been charged ?
Did I get this right that there is a place a REAL place that Sabrina The teenage witch was based on and that an actual girl did die there , same place where MY went to school ?
That lots of things are based on this suburb ?
Yes that is true. Here are some links to Sayville. Not a very nice place.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/gayville.htm
http://www.geocities.com/oldsayville/santeria.htm
http://www.geocities.com/timmlimm/mob.htm
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 03:17 PM
Here is a real website about Sayville. It's a pretty nice little place.
http://www.sayville.com/
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 03:20 PM
Hi first time in these threads about Michelle Young
I am so into so many other cases atm I think my head might explode if I read all of this..but I looked at Mauras detailed thread and a couple of others.
Is this similar to SP and Laci case ? except this guy hasnt been charged ?
Did I get this right that there is a place a REAL place that Sabrina The teenage witch was based on and that an actual girl did die there , same place where MY went to school ?
That lots of things are based on this suburb ?
A good contrast is to compare Sayville NY (Long Island) to Andrews NC (very rural western NC mountains)
Sayville NY is made up of affluent, educated and hard working people.
Andrews NC is made up of poor, uneducated and generally lazy people.
The median income for a household in the town of Andrews NC was $20,273, and the median income for a family was $28,320.Theper capita income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income) for the town was $11,350. About 21.8% of the population were below the poverty line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line)'
Andrews, NC, violent crime, on a scale from 1(low crime) to 10, is 3.
In addition, Andrews's property crime levels tend to be higher than North Carolina's average level.
The median income for a household in the town of Sayville NY was $75,236, and the median income for a family was $85,229. The per capita income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income) for the CDP was $28,723. About 4.1% of the population were below the poverty line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line).
Sayville, NY, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 10, is 2.
per_curiam
11-24-2008, 04:37 PM
Thank you, JTF. (Andrews NC??? I'm sure you had a good reason.)
I hope to almighty heck that Jason Lynn Young and Mamma do not get a bite of their last supper (Thanksgiving dinner) together. Somebody call Anne Miller over to serve that boy his dinner. :chicken::chicken::hen::hen:
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 05:02 PM
Thank you, JTF. (Andrews NC??? I'm sure you had a good reason.)
I hope to almighty heck that Jason Lynn Young and Mamma do not get a bite of their last supper (Thanksgiving dinner) together. Somebody call Anne Miller over to serve that boy his dinner. :chicken::chicken::hen::hen:
I just picked one of the lowest of the lowest towns in NC :fight: to contrast the very well heeled and pleasant Sayville NY. Yes, Michelle was raised in one of the nicest areas of Long Island. Good people. :heart:
Can you imagine that dysfunctional clan at Pat Young's table ?
Don't you feel for Cassidy ? Good news is she will be free soon.
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 05:26 PM
Cassidy will be finally free of the killer, but not free of his crazy mother and crazy family, unless the Fishers are going to go for custody.
jilly
11-24-2008, 06:50 PM
A big :Welcome-12-june:to each :newbie:
Glad you're all here! We should have more to chat about next week!
shack
11-24-2008, 07:16 PM
A good contrast is to compare Sayville NY (Long Island) to Andrews NC (very rural western NC mountains)
Sayville NY is made up of affluent, educated and hard working people.
Andrews NC is made up of poor, uneducated and generally lazy people.
The median income for a household in the town of Andrews NC was $20,273, and the median income for a family was $28,320.Theper capita income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income) for the town was $11,350. About 21.8% of the population were below the poverty line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line)'
Andrews, NC, violent crime, on a scale from 1(low crime) to 10, is 3.
In addition, Andrews's property crime levels tend to be higher than North Carolina's average level.
The median income for a household in the town of Sayville NY was $75,236, and the median income for a family was $85,229. The per capita income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income) for the CDP was $28,723. About 4.1% of the population were below the poverty line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line).
Sayville, NY, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 10, is 2.
I guess what you are trying to prove is that low income people have better morals than high income people. I agree with you. I don't think anyone will be calling Andrews NC a new Sodom in the near future. Alot has been made about JY googling gay bars in NY. Looks like Sayville is full of them. Wonder if he was looking for one in particular.
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 07:18 PM
I guess what you are trying to prove is that low income people have better morals than high income people. I agree with you. I don't think anyone will be calling Andrews NC a new Sodom in the near future. Alot has been made about JY googling gay bars in NY. Looks like Sayville is full of them. Wonder if he was looking for one in particular.
Interesting. Which gay bar do you think Jason was looking for in particular and why was he looking for a specific one?
shack
11-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Interesting. Which gay bar do you think Jason was looking for in particular and why was he looking for a specific one?
I think he may have thought someone he knew would be there. MOO
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 07:29 PM
I think he may have thought someone he knew would be there. MOO
Wouldn't it be easier just to call the person instead of googling a bar and hoping that the person happened to be there when he showed up? Do you think the bar that Jason was googling was known for a particular (how do I say this?) perversity and that was the thing Jason was into?
shack
11-24-2008, 07:29 PM
I just picked one of the lowest of the lowest towns in NC :fight: to contrast the very well heeled and pleasant Sayville NY. Yes, Michelle was raised in one of the nicest areas of Long Island. Good people. :heart:
Can you imagine that dysfunctional clan at Pat Young's table ?
Don't you feel for Cassidy ? Good news is she will be free soon.
I couldn't find anything newer maybe you can but it looks like you could have picked Raleigh as a better example. I am looking now to see if they have gay bars. I checked Andrews they don't have bars. Dry county.
http://raleigh.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Raleigh&s1=NC&c2=andrews&s2=NC
shack
11-24-2008, 07:32 PM
A good contrast is to compare Sayville NY (Long Island) to Andrews NC (very rural western NC mountains)
Sayville NY is made up of affluent, educated and hard working people.
Andrews NC is made up of poor, uneducated and generally lazy people.
The median income for a household in the town of Andrews NC was $20,273, and the median income for a family was $28,320.Theper capita income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income) for the town was $11,350. About 21.8% of the population were below the poverty line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line)'
Andrews, NC, violent crime, on a scale from 1(low crime) to 10, is 3.
In addition, Andrews's property crime levels tend to be higher than North Carolina's average level.
The median income for a household in the town of Sayville NY was $75,236, and the median income for a family was $85,229. The per capita income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income) for the CDP was $28,723. About 4.1% of the population were below the poverty line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line).
Sayville, NY, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 10, is 2.
Wonder why JY was looking in NY for gay bars he could have just gone up town.
http://www.mygayweb.com/bars/city/?CityID=539
shack
11-24-2008, 07:34 PM
Wouldn't it be easier just to call the person instead of googling a bar and hoping that the person happened to be there when he showed up? Do you think the bar that Jason was googling was known for a particular (how do I say this?) perversity and that was the thing Jason was into?
Why would he pick NY gay bars. I just found several in Raleigh. I think he was checking up on someone that was vacationing there. MOO
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 07:35 PM
Wonder why JY was looking in NY for gay bars he could have just gone up town.
http://www.mygayweb.com/bars/city/?CityID=539
Maybe he didn't want anyone he knew to see his car there or see him walking in.
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 07:36 PM
Wonder why JY was looking in NY for gay bars he could have just gone up town.
http://www.mygayweb.com/bars/city/?CityID=539
Wow! You're really good at finding this stuff! Do you have experience with the gay lifestyle? I'm really curious. I don't know anything about it.
citygirl
11-24-2008, 07:57 PM
I guess what you are trying to prove is that low income people have better morals than high income people. I agree with you. I don't think anyone will be calling Andrews NC a new Sodom in the near future. Alot has been made about JY googling gay bars in NY. Looks like Sayville is full of them. Wonder if he was looking for one in particular.
I would agree that people's morals are not defined by low income versus high income. People are people. That being said are you saying there are no gay bars in Anderson, N.C ? And more importantly do you think being gay is immoral? Who might be the one in particular you are speaking about? You sound a bit homophobic. Are you?
citygirl
11-24-2008, 07:58 PM
I think he may have thought someone he knew would be there. MOO
Who, may I ask?
shack
11-24-2008, 07:59 PM
Wow! You're really good at finding this stuff! Do you have experience with the gay lifestyle? I'm really curious. I don't know anything about it.
Just type in gay bars Raleigh NC. Doesn't take a rocket scientist.
citygirl
11-24-2008, 08:00 PM
I couldn't find anything newer maybe you can but it looks like you could have picked Raleigh as a better example. I am looking now to see if they have gay bars. I checked Andrews they don't have bars. Dry county.
http://raleigh.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Raleigh&s1=NC&c2=andrews&s2=NC
No bars? Must be a BORING place. Are you at all familiar with this town?
citygirl
11-24-2008, 08:02 PM
Why would he pick NY gay bars. I just found several in Raleigh. I think he was checking up on someone that was vacationing there. MOO
Maybe he checked on gay bars in Raleigh too? Stay tuned. This could get good......in a bad way.
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 08:03 PM
Just type in gay bars Raleigh NC. Doesn't take a rocket scientist.
I don't really understand why the location of gay bars in Raliegh is an issue in this case. The search warrant indicated that Jason was searching for gay bars in New York. Of course, he may not have needed to search the Raleigh bars. He may have already known where they were. I thought perhaps you were searching for your own personal reasons.
shack
11-24-2008, 08:05 PM
I would agree that people's morals are not defined by low income versus high income. People are people. That being said are you saying there are no gay bars in Anderson, N.C ? And more importantly do you think being gay is immoral? Who might be the one in particular you are speaking about? You sound a bit homophobic. Are you?
I don't even know where Anderson NC is. I was just defending a little town tucked into the Smokey Mountains. It was called the lowest of the lowest towns in NC. I was just showing it wasn't. Never ever meet a person I knew for sure was gay. So I can't say I am homophobic there probably are some very nice gay people. It just isn't the way of life the bible teaches and I live by the good book. I said there wasn't any bars gay or other wise in Andrews NC.
shack
11-24-2008, 08:05 PM
I don't really understand why the location of gay bars in Raliegh is an issue in this case. The search warrant indicated that Jason was searching for gay bars in New York. Of course, he may not have needed to search the Raleigh bars. He may have already known where they were. I thought perhaps you were searching for your own personal reasons.
I think not.
I guess what you are trying to prove is that low income people have better morals than high income people. I agree with you. I don't think anyone will be calling Andrews NC a new Sodom in the near future. Alot has been made about JY googling gay bars in NY. Looks like Sayville is full of them. Wonder if he was looking for one in particular.
You know, I heard that Andrews used to be a lovely little town, nice families. Now there seems to be an influx of out of state people moving in to escape from other states, for various reasons. Guess the out of state riff raff affects the local morality. Seems to be quite different in Brevard, another lovely little mountain town. It's the local boy there who went wrong.
shack
11-24-2008, 08:11 PM
No bars? Must be a BORING place. Are you at all familiar with this town?
Why are you asking personal questions? Just the fax brought this town up not I. I googled it. Its a tiny town nestled in the Smokey Mountains. I googles some web sites about Sayville Ny I guess I touched a nerve and this guy cut loose on this little town. I didn't know any one here was from Sayville I guess this guy is.
http://www.andrewsnc.com/
shack
11-24-2008, 08:16 PM
You know, I heard that Andrews used to be a lovely little town, nice families. Now there seems to be an influx of out of state people moving in to escape from other states, for various reasons. Guess the out of state riff raff affects the local morality. Seems to be quite different in Brevard, another lovely little mountain town. It's the local boy there who went wrong.
You could be right I have no idea. Still seems their crime rate is low. I googles the homes there for sale not so cheap.
http://www.greatcarolinaproperty.com/
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 08:20 PM
I think not.
So did you search Raleigh bars to show where Jason may have been going? I guess that would explain why Michelle might have been seeing a counselor.
shack
11-24-2008, 08:23 PM
So did you search Raleigh bars to show where Jason may have been going? I guess that would explain why Michelle might have been seeing a counselor.
LE would know why. I guess it could be one of a hundred things. Maybe if there is ever an arrest then everyone will know.
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 08:26 PM
So did you search Raleigh bars to show where Jason may have been going? I guess that would explain why Michelle might have been seeing a counselor.
There could be a very simple explanation for this search. For example if Rhett F was at Jy's and had a planned trip to NY - they could have searched under such circumstances. It is possible the search for gay bars has nothing to do with JY at all. Rhett was open about his lifestyle.
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 08:29 PM
There could be a very simple explanation for this search. For example if Rhett F was at Jy's and had a planned trip to NY - they could have searched under such circumstances. It is possible the search for gay bars has nothing to do with JY at all. Rhett was open about his lifestyle.
That makes sense. I just wonder if it wasn't more than one search at more than one time. It seems odd that they would include that information in the probable cause section of the search warrant. It seems that they had more than enough without including that unless there was something suspicious about the web search.
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 08:40 PM
Please stop spamming this board shack.
This is a crime forum, not a playground. :hand:
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 08:44 PM
That makes sense. I just wonder if it wasn't more than one search at more than one time. It seems odd that they would include that information in the probable cause section of the search warrant. It seems that they had more than enough without including that unless there was something suspicious about the web search.
I agree but perhaps it depends on when the search was made - if made at the same time as the head trauma thing, there could be an implication there I suppose. Just thinking. As to what is in this last warrant - way too much information than what was needed to get the warrant. I think LE has a bit of a guilty conscience because there has been no arrest and is providing as much information as possible in a legal manner for the wrongful death suit filed by LF.
Cheyenne130
11-24-2008, 08:49 PM
I agree but perhaps it depends on when the search was made - if made at the same time as the head trauma thing, there could be an implication there I suppose. Just thinking. As to what is in this last warrant - way too much information than what was needed to get the warrant. I think LE has a bit of a guilty conscience because there has been no arrest and is providing as much information as possible in a legal manner for the wrongful death suit filed by LF.
In order to be beneficial for the lawsuit, I would think the lawyers for Linda Fisher would need those details as to when the searches took place and exactly where he was searching. There is too much grey area for the information to point in a particular direction. The information regarding his affair with Mrs. Money is much more specific and helpful but I think they need more in order to use the internet search information.
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 08:58 PM
In order to be beneficial for the lawsuit, I would think the lawyers for Linda Fisher would need those details as to when the searches took place and exactly where he was searching. There is too much grey area for the information to point in a particular direction. The information regarding his affair with Mrs. Money is much more specific and helpful but I think they need more in order to use the internet search information.
Not in a civil case - a preponderance is all that is required. Jy's computer, searches, Michelle murdered in the same method searched - looks kinda likely there is a relationship. Those serches were obtained from JY's home computer seized on 3 November 2006. Obviously the searches were done before the murder. The nice tidbit at the bottom - JY cannot be ruled out as being involved in the murder of Michelle Young. Lots of stuff to use to meet the legal standard in a civil case when all of the warrants are combined.
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 09:01 PM
When is the 30 day deadline for JLY to respond (or not) to the WD subpoena? I bet the DA is hoping to get some good discovery out of the civil case (like what he was able to get from the Cooper custody case)...have a feeling though that JLY will not be saying much, if anything at all.
citygirl
11-24-2008, 09:03 PM
Never ever meet a person I knew for sure was gay. So I can't say I am homophobic there probably are some very nice gay people. It just isn't the way of life the bible teaches and I live by the good book. I said there wasn't any bars gay or other wise in Andrews NC.[/quote]
Thanks for yer honesty.Ya never ever met a gay person for sure? Guess you dun never had yer double wide decorated by those light in the loafers guys. Too bad. Still living with them vertical blinds? Cause ya read the good book and live by it too? But ya ain't never lived in Andrews? Did ya look that up in the atlas, hons? Ya know the parts about them gay bars? Or them otherwise? What might them otherwise be?
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:06 PM
When is the 30 day deadline for JLY to respond (or not) to the WD subpoena? I bet the DA is hoping to get some good discovery out of the civil case (like what he was able to get from the Cooper custody case)...have a feeling though that JLY will not be saying much, if anything at all.
Monday , 12-1-08 is the deadline.
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 09:07 PM
When is the 30 day deadline for JLY to respond (or not) to the WD subpoena? I bet the DA is hoping to get some good discovery out of the civil case (like what he was able to get from the Cooper custody case)...have a feeling though that JLY will not be saying much, if anything at all.
Can't remember SG - its either 1 December or 5 December.
I dunno what JY will do - but I can see him not ever taking the stand if there is a trial. His lawyer is Roger Smith - of TS - we might hear from Alice again, this time we get to chew her out ! :crazy:
citygirl
11-24-2008, 09:08 PM
There could be a very simple explanation for this search. For example if Rhett F was at Jy's and had a planned trip to NY - they could have searched under such circumstances. It is possible the search for gay bars has nothing to do with JY at all. Rhett was open about his lifestyle.
I agree, RC. He was my first guess. Didn't want to muddy the waters. Nor taint was LE was proposing. It's a stretch in my mind though.
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 09:08 PM
Monday , 12-1-08 is the deadline.
Ohhh!! Hence Miss Jilly's comment about next week being "interesting." Okay, game on, JLY!
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:11 PM
Ohhh!! Hence Miss Jilly's comment about next week being "interesting." Okay, game on, JLY!
Also the same day the sealed SW will be opened
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 09:12 PM
Can't remember SG - its either 1 December or 5 December.
I dunno what JY will do - but I can see him not ever taking the stand if there is a trial. His lawyer is Roger Smith - of TS - we might hear from Alice again, this time we get to chew her out ! :crazy:
Got it. Oh I think Ms. Stubbs can take it! She can more than hold her own. :smile:
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 09:13 PM
Also the same day the sealed SW will be opened
Oh now that is exciting. Opening a sealed SW is like Xmas morning to the websleuthy ones.
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 09:14 PM
I agree, RC. He was my first guess. Didn't want to muddy the waters. Nor taint was LE was proposing. It's a stretch in my mind though.
I think so too - a stretch - just pointing out the possibilities. Now if Rhett wears a size 10 shoe, maybe not...:crazy:
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 09:15 PM
Got it. Oh I think Ms. Stubbs can take it! She can more than hold her own. :smile:
Well if she is gonna stick up for JY - i'm not gonna like her this time around :crazy:
citygirl
11-24-2008, 09:15 PM
Can't remember SG - its either 1 December or 5 December.
I dunno what JY will do - but I can see him not ever taking the stand if there is a trial. His lawyer is Roger Smith - of TS - we might hear from Alice again, this time we get to chew her out ! :crazy:
RC. Stab me in the heart! I love Alice. Love her controlled voice and demeaning questions. Now she will be on the other side? Say it isn't so !
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 09:17 PM
RC. Stab me in the heart! I love Alice. Love her controlled voice and demeaning questions. Now she will be on the other side? Say it isn't so !
Well - she does work for TS - JY has Roger, even Wade boy helped out in the Cooper instance...never know.
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:20 PM
RC. Stab me in the heart! I love Alice. Love her controlled voice and demeaning questions. Now she will be on the other side? Say it isn't so !
I too like this former Judge.
If I ever divorce my wife, that's who I'm calling' :crazy:
shack
11-24-2008, 09:20 PM
Please stop spamming this board shack.
This is a crime forum, not a playground. :hand:
I actually am here watching the BC case. Someone ask about Sayville NY and I posted some web links. I didn't invent the sites they are the first ones up when you google. You are the one that couldn't wait to jump in about another little town. That had nothing to do with the question the poster ask. If I'm not mistaken you are the one that posted the amount of BC's bonus for the year. I will have to research that. If you are you were way off on that.
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 09:21 PM
Well if she is gonna stick up for JY - i'm not gonna like her this time around :crazy:
Hopefully she won't have to get too involved in this one. But even evil SOB's have a right to a fair trial. TS are very good but they can't make every case go their way esp. when the evidence tells the tale. (cf. Jeffrey MacDonald and Ann Miller).
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:23 PM
I actually am here watching the BC case. Someone ask about Sayville NY and I posted some web links. I didn't invent the sites they are the first ones up when you google. You are the one that couldn't wait to jump in about another little town. That had nothing to do with the question the poster ask. If I'm not mistaken you are the one that posted the amount of BC's bonus for the year. I will have to research that. If you are you were way off on that.
Shack, not sure why you are so defensive about a scummy little Podunk town like Andrews :waitasec:
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:25 PM
If I'm not mistaken you are the one that posted the amount of BC's bonus for the year. I will have to research that. If you are you were way off on that.
Save the effort Shack.
You are mistaken yet again.
shack
11-24-2008, 09:26 PM
Shack, not sure why you are so defensive about a scummy little Podunk town like Andrews :waitasec:
I not sure why you are either. You are the one that brought it up. The lady asked about Sayville NY.
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:30 PM
I not sure why you are either. You are the one that brought it up. The lady asked about Sayville NY.
Just a contrast example Hon
Sayville = Yankee paradise
Andrews = Rebel landfill
Can we drop this now ?
If not, please use PM.
Thanks
raisincharlie
11-24-2008, 09:33 PM
Hopefully she won't have to get too involved in this one. But even evil SOB's have a right to a fair trial. TS are very good but they can't make every case go their way esp. when the evidence tells the tale. (cf. Jeffrey MacDonald and Ann Miller).
For some reason I tend to think Ms. Stubbs had some assistance with some of the questions she asked in the BC spectacle. She won't have that luxury this time around. Plenty of info in the warrants but I don't see that the warrants provide a large volume of ammunition for TS.
I would still like Alice as long as she doesn't sink to the K & B/Sandlin level. :crazy: I admire good work.
Just the Fax
11-24-2008, 09:41 PM
Hopefully she won't have to get too involved in this one. But even evil SOB's have a right to a fair trial. TS are very good but they can't make every case go their way esp. when the evidence tells the tale. (cf. Jeffrey MacDonald and Ann Miller).
Alice is an accomplished divorce and custody lawyer.
Doubtful she will participate in the WD or criminal trials.
Look for big Roger to help out little Rog .....Ma Pat will be flat broke by the time she pays for the WD case and then the criminal trial.:bang:
Jason continues to destroy a lot of lives.
citygirl
11-24-2008, 09:44 PM
[quote=SleuthyGal But even evil SOB's have a right to a fair trial.
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Sad but true, Sleuthy Gal. Here's hoping justice prevails. Way late. But eventually.:crazy:
citygirl
11-24-2008, 09:46 PM
I think so too - a stretch - just pointing out the possibilities. Now if Rhett wears a size 10 shoe, maybe not...:crazy:
Ooooh. Never considered that. But I think not. Just sayin'.:)
citygirl
11-24-2008, 09:49 PM
I actually am here watching the BC case. Someone ask about Sayville NY and I posted some web links. I didn't invent the sites they are the first ones up when you google. You are the one that couldn't wait to jump in about another little town. That had nothing to do with the question the poster ask. If I'm not mistaken you are the one that posted the amount of BC's bonus for the year. I will have to research that. If you are you were way off on that.
Sure.:waitasec:
SleuthyGal
11-24-2008, 09:51 PM
Sad but true, Sleuthy Gal. Here's hoping justice prevails. Way late. But eventually.:crazy:
It's one of the foundations of our constitution, so it's actually a very good thing. I would want those protections if it were me.
It's sad that MY was murdered, and it's sad that she was married to a cheating/killer hillbilly louse...and I certainly hope that the evidence will be presented in a criminal court one day, and that a jury will find this evidence compelling, beyond a reasonable doubt.
And while I do get frustrated with the slowwwww road to justice, I still think it's a very, very good thing that we have our constitution, which gives rights to everyone.
JaneInOz
11-24-2008, 10:42 PM
Sooooooooo lol I am in Australia and have nfi where these places are - but was what i said correct ? its kind of like the Laci P case ?
per_curiam
11-24-2008, 10:48 PM
Oh now that is exciting. Opening a sealed SW is like Xmas morning to the websleuthy ones.
Exactly, SG. And here I thought I was the only one who felt that way.
per_curiam
11-24-2008, 10:58 PM
Alice is an accomplished divorce and custody lawyer.
Doubtful she will participate in the WD or criminal trials.
Look for big Roger to help out little Rog .....Ma Pat will be flat broke by the time she pays for the WD case and then the criminal trial.:bang:
Jason continues to destroy a lot of lives.
Ha ha, JTF! She probably is flat broke already, what with supporting boy Jason and Cassidy, while preparing a place to hide him when the time comes. How far away are any caverns from Mamma's, that she can adorn with trappings for her fine boy?
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