Where would you put a dead body?

[kajohn]

You clever people - where would you put a dead body?

My first thought was to bury it, but then my friend said she would put one down a storm drain found along a street glutter (and I think that is brilliant) which I never would have thought of.

If I had a dead body in the trunk, my first line of business would be getting rid of it in a meticulous fashion. I don't think that was Casey's priority.

Plus, there may be different ways of disposing of a body if it was still in a stage of rigor mortis or in Padilla's words "body stew in a bag."

So, in a brainstorming fashion, where would you put a dead body?

[BetsyB]

I think I'd have to go the frozen-body-into-the-woodchipper route.

[Clock's Tickin]

Sorry. I wouldn't touch a dead body. That's why the coroner is paid the big bucks!

[Insomnia Momma]

Well, after reading here for a long long time I think I'd go for a dumpster that I knew would be emptied that day. Maybe in a gator infested swamp/lake if I lived in an area that that was feasible.

This gives me the chills though, I'd never be able to live with myself and would cave right away. But then I'm a normal human being and Casey isn't. It's hard to get in her head to figure this out. I kept thinking about a lake I saw on a map there called Mother's Arms. I think I'd go with there. No one has discussed that though that I know of. It's not far from where she is either.

[txanmom]

i actually googled this yesterday. the main consensus was:

1. wrap it tightly in plastic and bury it as far from your home as possible at least six feet underground
2. leave it in an area where animals (esp. pigs apparently:eek:) or alligators would devour it
3. (this one is really gross) put it into a large drum of acid in a secluded area of your home and then carefully pour this down your garbage disposal
4. fill a large drum with the body pour cement over, go out late at night in a boat several miles offshore and drop it (something about if you do it right the body will decompose create an air bubble pop the drum and the concrete will disperse into the water).
5. woodchipper (fargo, anyone?)

me personally, i might try the "Weekend at Bernie's" approach lol!!

i hope this post is not offensive, it's kinda meant tongue in cheek, the only things i've ever successfully killed are some geckos which met their demise squished in the side of my back door and the random cockroach/fly/skeeter.

[RebeccaAdrianne]

I wouldn't hide a dead body I call 911. But I guess if I wanted to I'd call up KC and get some tips. :mad:

[kajohn]

Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

Author indicates that according to NCMEC study mothers frequently dispose of childs bodies in womblike conditions, such as wrapping. And, almost always found in or close to the home.

[Fandy]

hmmm, I've buried beloved pets at my parents house, they have big property. that is my extent of knowledge in bodies...(we have little markers for them).

The only person I ever considered doing away with is my X-husband during my divorce and he was 6'4" and 275 lbs....I'm 5'5" and about 150. i would need a forklift or a hand-truck or an accomplice.

but I would bury a body, very very deep in a desert area, (think Joe Pecsi in Goodfellas)

[txanmom]

Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

Author indicates that according to NCMEC study mothers frequently dispose of childs bodies in womblike conditions, such as wrapping. And, almost always found in or close to the home.

i remember reading this awhile back. really so sad isn't it?

as for KC - i think she wrapped her in a blanket, put her in a duffel bag and buried her in a wooded area 5-25 miles from her home. pure speculation.

[kajohn]

As an afterthought, I am more apt to believe that on the final day she got rid of the body she probably didn't have a shovel. Dumping is more likely.

[diane952]

I wouldn't hide a dead body I call 911. But I guess if I wanted to I'd call up KC and get some tips. :mad:

:woohoo:

I cant see myself putting a dead body anywhere..

[not_my_kids]

Find an abandoned refrigerator.
Place body inside.
Palce as many large heavy rocks as you can in the fridge as well.
Drive fridge to a body of water, dump it in and watch it sink.
Go to Fusian and table dance.

Side note: can also be done with chest freezers.

[diane952]

I still think KC put her in the dumpster.

[not_my_kids]

Just thought of one that goes one better, in a very morbid sense of "better."
I have a unidentified child from my files, her parents (presumably) wrapped her in a baby blanket, then wrapped her in plastic sheets, placed her inside a suitcase, wrapped the suitcase entirely in duct tape, opened up the back of a large console TV, cleared out all the wires and tubes that were in the way, put the suitcase in the TV, screwed the back of the TV on and took it to the dump themselves.
If some random person hadn't decided to go hunting for metal in the dump and kicked the back of the TV, causing the suitcase to fall out the body never would have been found.

[Fandy]

Just thought of one that goes one better, in a very morbid sense of "better."
I have a unidentified child from my files, her parents (presumably) wrapped her in a baby blanket, then wrapped her in plastic sheets, placed her inside a suitcase, wrapped the suitcase entirely in duct tape, opened up the back of a large console TV, cleared out all the wires and tubes that were in the way, put the suitcase in the TV, screwed the back of the TV on and took it to the dump themselves.
If some random person hadn't decided to go hunting for metal in the dump and kicked the back of the TV, causing the suitcase to fall out the body never would have been found.

that is chilling.......I would never survive this type of case work, I have nightmares as it is.

[servingothers]

You clever people - where would you put a dead body?

My first thought was to bury it, but then my friend said she would put one down a storm drain found along a street glutter (and I think that is brilliant) which I never would have thought of.

If I had a dead body in the trunk, my first line of business would be getting rid of it in a meticulous fashion. I don't think that was Casey's priority.

Plus, there may be different ways of disposing of a body if it was still in a stage of rigor mortis or in Padilla's words "body stew in a bag."

So, in a brainstorming fashion, where would you put a dead body?

That is a horrible thing to even think of. However, I don't think I would carry it around in the trunk. If it were planned then I think she would have had where she was going to put it in her mind and would be equipped to transport it (ie a plastic container that could be sealed and prevent things getting into the carpet). One thing is obvious to me. It was not planned. She has to be smarter than to leave it in the trunk. Even the lady that froze her daughters (just out in the news this week) shows more thought than Casey).

I do not know why if she were planning this that she did not just leave town and start another life. She could have told Cindy she was leaving town, taking Caylee with her and she would not be contacting them again---that she was done with her mother and father. She could have turned the child over to child welfare in another state and been finished with all. No, Casey did not plan this. She acted in haste. Either it was an accident or she decided to do this on the spur of the moment. She may have been thinking and researching about this for a while but she did the deed spur of the moment.

[Recovering-Lurker]

:confused:That is a horrible thing to even think of. However, I don't think I would carry it around in the trunk. If it were planned then I think she would have had where she was going to put it in her mind and would be equipped to transport it (ie a plastic container that could be sealed and prevent things getting into the carpet). One thing is obvious to me. It was not planned. She has to be smarter than to leave it in the trunk. Even the lady that froze her daughters (just out in the news this week) shows more thought than Casey).

I do not know why if she were planning this that she did not just leave town and start another life. She could have told Cindy she was leaving town, taking Caylee with her and she would not be contacting them again---that she was done with her mother and father. She could have turned the child over to child welfare in another state and been finished with all. No, Casey did not plan this. She acted in haste. Either it was an accident or she decided to do this on the spur of the moment. She may have been thinking and researching about this for a while but she did the deed spur of the moment.

And she didn't clean the trunk either. She could have ripped the carpet out, vacuumed for hairs, etc. Why wouldn't she have done that? :confused:

[kajohn]

Find an abandoned refrigerator.
Place body inside.
Palce as many large heavy rocks as you can in the fridge as well.
Drive fridge to a body of water, dump it in and watch it sink.
Go to Fusian and table dance.

Side note: can also be done with chest freezers.


Hilarious!

Can you see entries in her dayrunner?

11:45 get nails done
12:45 Dump Caylee's body
1:15 Go to Target to buy party dress

[want2help]

No, Casey did not plan this. She acted in haste. Either it was an accident or she decided to do this on the spur of the moment. She may have been thinking and researching about this for a while but she did the deed spur of the moment.
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I think she did plan it, she just did not research the decomp process. She's not as smart as she thought she was.

[Salem]

I think Caylee is near where ever it was that KC last saw Zanieda. Not at Sawgrass. I think KC followed Zanny when she left Sawgrass, maybe even for a day or so. I'm thinking maybe Zanieda took her younger girls to a park or somewhere to play and KC saw her and where ever that is, that is where Caylee is.

That or Caylee is where ever KC left or threw away the remainder of her Xanex.

KC keeps saying Zanny is the last person she saw Caylee with, only KC says it funny. I'll have to go get a quote, but she doesn't just say "I left her with Zanny" she says something like "that is the last person I saw my daughter with." I just think it is odd how she spins the words together. Because of that, I think there is an element of truth to the story.

I'm thinking KC, in a bit of shock over what she had done, watched Zaniada with her children and fantisized that Caylee was playing with them, and where ever that was, that is where she left Caylee.

I know Zaniada has nothing to do with this, but it would be nice to know what she was doing on June 16, 17, 18 and maybe the 19th.

Salem

[not_my_kids]

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I think she did plan it, she just did not research the decomp process. She's not as smart as she thought she was.

One of her favorite shows. CSI. Okay, she would have known that if you lay someone dead in the trunk of your car there are certain clean up procedures that need to be done afterward or you will get busted.

[Clearly Confused]

I think Caylee is near where ever it was that KC last saw Zanieda. Not at Sawgrass. I think KC followed Zanny when she left Sawgrass, maybe even for a day or so. I'm thinking maybe Zanieda took her younger girls to a park or somewhere to play and KC saw her and where ever that is, that is where Caylee is.

That or Caylee is where ever KC left or threw away the remainder of her Xanex.

KC keeps saying Zanny is the last person she saw Caylee with, only KC says it funny. I'll have to go get a quote, but she doesn't just say "I left her with Zanny" she says something like "that is the last person I saw my daughter with." I just think it is odd how she spins the words together. Because of that, I think there is an element of truth to the story.

I'm thinking KC, in a bit of shock over what she had done, watched Zaniada with her children and fantisized that Caylee was playing with them, and where ever that was, that is where she left Caylee.

I know Zaniada has nothing to do with this, but it would be nice to know what she was doing on June 16, 17, 18 and maybe the 19th.

Salem

Very interesting.

[magnolia]

I can't imagine being burdened with a dead body to dispose of. However, why would someone bury a body on land when they have close access to so many bodies of water? I sure wouldn't toss a dead body in a dumpster. Too risky!!

[kajohn]

I had serious intentions when I started this thread, but now I am sidetracking myself with my own comedy. So just this one and then I am going to be good.

I remember one of the shows from the Alfred Hitchcock series where this old lady kills her husband, and the detective can't figure out what she did with the body. What she did was covered the body in plaster of paris, set him in a sitting position until he hardened and looked like a statue, then set him in the foyer and hung umbrellas on his arms!

[Short_Stuff]

I wouldnt do what she did. But I think Caylees body is in water.

[Recovering-Lurker]

One of her favorite shows. CSI. Okay, she would have known that if you lay someone dead in the trunk of your car there are certain clean up procedures that need to be done afterward or you will get busted.

Yeah, I just don't understand why she didn't clean out the trunk after she disposed of that precious little girl's body. If it smelled so bad, and she left the car in a public place, she had to have known incriminating evidence would be found. I don't get that part.

[Prayin_4_Grace]

I think Caylee is near where ever it was that KC last saw Zanieda. Not at Sawgrass. I think KC followed Zanny when she left Sawgrass, maybe even for a day or so. I'm thinking maybe Zanieda took her younger girls to a park or somewhere to play and KC saw her and where ever that is, that is where Caylee is.

That or Caylee is where ever KC left or threw away the remainder of her Xanex.

KC keeps saying Zanny is the last person she saw Caylee with, only KC says it funny. I'll have to go get a quote, but she doesn't just say "I left her with Zanny" she says something like "that is the last person I saw my daughter with." I just think it is odd how she spins the words together. Because of that, I think there is an element of truth to the story.

I'm thinking KC, in a bit of shock over what she had done, watched Zaniada with her children and fantisized that Caylee was playing with them, and where ever that was, that is where she left Caylee.

I know Zaniada has nothing to do with this, but it would be nice to know what she was doing on June 16, 17, 18 and maybe the 19th.

Salem

Interesting theory Salem. You may be on to something. I do believe that KC followed ZG around for a little bit

[PoppyH]

I think she has placed her in some kind of container, maybee a rolling suitcase{would be easy for Casey to roll somewhere} and has pitched her out in the woods somewhere, a hollow tree trunk pehaps?? In thick brush?? I just don't see Casey exerting herself by digging a grave, maybee under a brush/leave pile??


Poppy

[SharetheLight]

I don't know what I would do. I would always be thinking that no matter where I put the body somebody would find it. I guess I think there is always someone out there smater than me that would figure it out. I also think that there are very few places one can go where nobody sees you. there are witnesses everywhere. Most of us probably witness something significant each day that we are totally unaware of.
Just a little paranoid here. Well that and I've got a terrible poker face.

[JulieR]

Well, I think we would all agree something big went down on 6/15, the fight. Up until this time I don't think KC was planning anything, but how to get out and party a little more and steal money. After this fight, (which makes me wonder where was Caylee when these two were going at it) I think KC lost it and when Caylee cried to be with CA she shut her up..........now not knowing what to do, I think she just tossed her somewhere in the woods, wrapped in a blanket and plastic, when she backed her car up at the house I think she needed wrapping supplies, she didn't want to look at Caylee dead, I also think she could have been wrapped well enough that the odor didn't start for a while, till she tried to move her from the back of the car and the plastic leaked fluid. she may have had the thought that she was going to bury Caylee in the back yard (Right by the pool under the plastic box), but digging was just to hard and what if she was found. No, I think she may have driven to Jacksonville at sometime while her phone was off, or she is just in the woods around the home somewhere. One other thought CA and GA were working and digging in the back yard 7/4 moving plants and working on the pavers, I think that is why the dogs hit in more then one place, because the dirt was moved around plus, I don't think Casey would have removed Caylee from the trunk untill she had a hole deep enough to hold Caylee.

[dreamerlin]

I think she has placed her in somekind ogf container, maybee a rolling suitcase{would be easy for Casey to roll somewhere} and has pitched her out in the woods somewhere, a hollow tree trunk pehaps?? In thick brush?? I just don't see Casey exerting herself by digging a grave, maybee under a brush/leave pile??


Poppy

That's what I think too. She doesn't think far enuf ahead. She would just want to be rid of the body as quickly as possible and then forget poor Caylee ever existed. I think she's too full of herself to think someone would find the child's remains.

If I were cold-hearted enuf to get rid of a body I'd probably do the garbage bag in a dumpster thing.

[PaperDoll]

I would put a dead body in a CASKET for proper burial...

ok, ok, that is not what this thread was asking.. hehe :crazy: If I committed murder I would probably dumb the body in the ocean.. weight it down and let the sea creatures have at it.. If that isn't possible then I'd probably dumb it in the dumpster all wrapped nice and tight in a bag full of trash.. Gosh, now I feel I need a bath...

[Love_Mama]

I would never even think about how to get rid of a body, so can't answer that question. I think that Casey had help doing it. There is no way on earth that Casey could have pulled this off without help. No way at all.

Casey is pretty small and digging, wrapping a body, then going out and getting rid or the body?
Didn't happen! Think about it! All you gals out there......could you have done that? I don't think so. I think what we should be thinking about is WHO was it who helped her aand THEN decide who you think that could be. Father, Brother? Don't think it was her mama.
My first choice is her brother.

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mama

[suddenlyobsessed]

Honestly if it were my family member and I thought I could pull them off as not being noticed missing, it would be my backyard. If they would be noticed missing, I'd have to just fold like a house of cards and just leave them and hope I could escape the country before anybody noticed. Perhaps move to Saudia Arabia where I could walk around in full burka since almost every country extradites people who have committed crimes in the U.S. If it was a random stranger, I'd probably just leave it because nobody could link me to it. The main problem is, when I try to think about this, I couldn't imagine killing a loved one on purpose and then if it's an accident I could see no reason to hide it. I'm fairly certain I could kill a stranger provided they had molested my child, based off of the fact that my husband was molested as a child and I've already decided that if I ever see that man alone, I will kill him. Nobody go and call the FBI, I'm fairly certain I'll never get the opportunity since he lives in the Palestinian territorys of Israel. In that country, the rapists get to brag and the male children are the family shame who are blackmailed by their abusers out of fear their own father's will murder them for the abuse. The thing that really is confusing me with this case is murder implys hatred and it's hard to imagine a mother hating her child enough to see them unworthy of life and be mentally able to sustain the appearance of a loving mother. And if this were a legitimate accident I can't see any half decent mother not confessing, no matter what they had done negligent. Who risks a murder charge when they have the option of lesser charges. I mean I couldn't even imagine OJ and his "dream team" turning down a manslaughter charge if it had been a possibility for him. Sorry if this is going of topic a bit..I'll bold the relevent part and cross my fingers that nobody flags me for leaving the rest here.

[PaperDoll]

I would never even think about how to get rid of a body, so can't answer that question. I think that Casey had help doing it. There is no way on earth that Casey could have pulled this off without help. No way at all.

Casey is pretty small and digging, wrapping a body, then going out and getting rid or the body?
Didn't happen! Think about it! All you gals out there......could you have done that? I don't think so. I think what we should be thinking about is WHO was it who helped her aand THEN decide who you think that could be. Father, Brother? Don't think it was her mama.
My first choice is her brother.

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mama

Hi Love-Mama :blowkiss: :blowkiss: I understand what you are saying, but I think she acted alone. The reason is because she would risk that other person ratting her out. That would be my reason for doing it alone. I would fear the person who helped me would turn on me to save their own butt..

[websurfer]

Things are a lot different here.
So relating to her options and her possible way of thnking?

She may have tied her up in a tree someplace?

She is not logical
have the dogs looked up in trees?
Do the trees in Florida drop leaves like ours do here in the EAST?

I saw a story once on COURT TV.
Nobody could find the guy cuz he hung himself and was way high up in a tree.

It was after the leaves had fallen that somebody spotted his body hanging up there in a tree.

[hinkymeter]

Well, I couldn't kill anyone except to protect my family. And that would include killing someone in my family if they were harming another family member. The latter won't ever happen and hopefully the former wouldn't happen either.

If I were to murder in cold blood, I would make sure I lived in a place that was full of alligators and swamps. I mean FULL. In addition, I would dispose IMMEDIATELY and would not hang onto the body as decomp starts setting in sooo fast. And forget the smell of death-- that stinch is sooo bad.... unforgettable.

I am not sure what I would transport in but, I'd have to make sure that the body was wrapped in something that would disinegrate in water-- something like rice paper or something (ha!)

But definitely alligator infested swamp. Yeah, definitely. (I'm channeling Rain Man err George... err Rain Man)

[Janis396]

i actually googled this yesterday. the main consensus was:

1. wrap it tightly in plastic and bury it as far from your home as possible at least six feet underground
2. leave it in an area where animals (esp. pigs apparently:eek:) or alligators would devour it
3. (this one is really gross) put it into a large drum of acid in a secluded area of your home and then carefully pour this down your garbage disposal
4. fill a large drum with the body pour cement over, go out late at night in a boat several miles offshore and drop it (something about if you do it right the body will decompose create an air bubble pop the drum and the concrete will disperse into the water).
5. woodchipper (fargo, anyone?)

me personally, i might try the "Weekend at Bernie's" approach lol!!

i hope this post is not offensive, it's kinda meant tongue in cheek, the only things i've ever successfully killed are some geckos which met their demise squished in the side of my back door and the random cockroach/fly/skeeter.

I think the only one of those Casey is capable of is "2. leave it in an area where animals (esp. pigs apparently:eek:) or alligators would devour it"

[TURBOTHINK]

I would go at night to where they had dug a fresh grave at a cemetery and was going to bury someone the next day. I would get in the hole and dig a shallow grave (enough to cover the body) and cover it with some dirt. When they set the vault the next day it would be buried forever.

[dr dona]

she could easily wrap Caylee up in a blanket and toss her in a dumpster. She could have put the old moldy pizza there as well ( sick attenpt at a joke ) Now Caylee lies below tons of mashed trash and will never be found!!

[Linda7NJ]

Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

Author indicates that according to NCMEC study mothers frequently dispose of child's bodies in womb like conditions, such as wrapping. And, almost always found in or close to the home.


I don't think Casey did. because she didn't even keep Caylee's favorite doll with the child's body. she certainly didn't keep it for sentimental reasons.

[want2help]

I would go at night to where they had dug a fresh grave at a cemetery and was going to bury someone the next day. I would get in the hole and dig a shallow grave (enough to cover the body) and cover it with some dirt. When they set the vault the next day it would be buried forever.

I've heard stories from my family about this scenario happening a lot within the organized crime world. (Im Italian, lol...NOT saying I have family members in the mob...just family folklore/stories) Ive also heard that mob bosses would pay funeral homes to bury bodies inside a casket, after the family had left, but before the casket was put into the Hearse to go to the cemetery. Also, mob paid funeral homes with access to crematoriums.

[TURBOTHINK]

If GA helped KC - she could be buried in the back yard. I wonder if they mixed any concrete and poured it since she disappeared. Concrete poured over a body diminishes the smell of decomp for the dogs because it is mixed with lime. There was a case where a body was dismenbered and "poured" into concrete walkway stones. I can't see them doing that but ...........There is something about him putting lime all over his yard which has bothered me since they showed him doing it.

[Lady Loves Lurking]

If I had to dispose of a body I would do it in the backyard of the house I own. We have no plans to sell anytime soon. I'd plant it seriously deep and then move my greenhouse or shed on top of it.

[not_my_kids]

Yeah, I just don't understand why she didn't clean out the trunk after she disposed of that precious little girl's body. If it smelled so bad, and she left the car in a public place, she had to have known incriminating evidence would be found. I don't get that part.


I've never gotten that part either. Since she knew what she would have needed to do to cover it up, it's almost like she wanted to be caught.

[TURBOTHINK]

I don't think Casey did. because she didn't even keep Caylee's favorite doll with the child's body. she certainly didn't keep it for sentimental reasons.

Anyone who could carry around their child's dead body for days to decide where to get rid of it is beyond caring.

[Linda7NJ]

That is a horrible thing to even think of. However, I don't think I would carry it around in the trunk. If it were planned then I think she would have had where she was going to put it in her mind and would be equipped to transport it (is a plastic container that could be sealed and prevent things getting into the carpet). One thing is obvious to me. It was not planned. She has to be smarter than to leave it in the trunk. Even the lady that froze her daughters (just out in the news this week) shows more thought than Casey).

I do not know why if she were planning this that she did not just leave town and start another life. She could have told Cindy she was leaving town, taking Caylee with her and she would not be contacting them again---that she was done with her mother and father. She could have turned the child over to child welfare in another state and been finished with all. No, Casey did not plan this. She acted in haste. Either it was an accident or she decided to do this on the spur of the moment. She may have been thinking and researching about this for a while but she did the deed spur of the moment.


imo psychopaths lack normal cause and effect thinking. they're poor planners as they have no fear of getting caught and usually don't seriously ever even consider getting caught as a real possibility.

in Casey's mind the lies she told were great, she doesn't comprehend how ridiculous they are. when one doesn't work...she just tells another. she honestly believes she's smarter than everyone else. she still isn't scared.

i think she may have planned this based on the above.

[Lady Loves Lurking]

I've never gotten that part either. Since she knew what she would have needed to do to cover it up, it's almost like she wanted to be caught.


Do you think she just pretended she wasn't there? I would be unable to function well enough to drive in that nightmare scenario.


I wonder if anyone else was ever in the car when Caylee was.

[TURBOTHINK]

I've never gotten that part either. Since she knew what she would have needed to do to cover it up, it's almost like she wanted to be caught.

I think she really thought by leaving that car with her purse in it where she did, that it would be stolen. Think about a check cashing place- people go there because they do not have any money and if they are like the ones in this area, it is a very "rough" looking crowd.

I don't believe she considered them having it towed anywhere, but that someone would heist the car and then she would have someone to blame it all on. In her mind that was the perfect plan.

[Linda7NJ]

I think she has placed her in some kind of container, maybee a rolling suitcase{would be easy for Casey to roll somewhere} and has pitched her out in the woods somewhere, a hollow tree trunk pehaps?? In thick brush?? I just don't see Casey exerting herself by digging a grave, maybee under a brush/leave pile??


Poppy


agree. no way she dug a grave

[TxLady2]

You clever people - where would you put a dead body?

My first thought was to bury it, but then my friend said she would put one down a storm drain found along a street glutter (and I think that is brilliant) which I never would have thought of.

If I had a dead body in the trunk, my first line of business would be getting rid of it in a meticulous fashion. I don't think that was Casey's priority.

Plus, there may be different ways of disposing of a body if it was still in a stage of rigor mortis or in Padilla's words "body stew in a bag."

So, in a brainstorming fashion, where would you put a dead body?

Rigor mortis and the "body stew" are two separate stages entirely. Rigor mortis is the stiffening and hardening of the body which occurs several hours after death, then disappears, and then returns... what Padilla describes is after the body has become liquefied by the tissues deterorating.

[suddenlyobsessed]

I've never gotten that part either. Since she knew what she would have needed to do to cover it up, it's almost like she wanted to be caught.

I think she honestly thought in her deluded brain that Caylee's dissapearance would never be investigated. I also suspect she had full intention of retrieving the car and driving it to Cali based off of her having Amy buy her the gas can, and off of her discussions with M.H. If she planned to stay in town I see no reason for her to steal from Amy because Amy was one of her most generous and trusting friends. The tow yard ruined her plan to flee by auto IMO so she was probably trying to have her last hoorah and get the cash together for a plane ticket..perhaps that was the $200 Cindy recovered from her purse and the reason she told Cindy she needed 1 more day.

[Recovering-Lurker]

I think she really thought by leaving that car with her purse in it where she did, that it would be stolen. Think about a check cashing place- people go there because they do not have any money and if they are like the ones in this area, it is a very "rough" looking crowd.

I don't believe she considered them having it towed anywhere, but that someone would heist the car and then she would have someone to blame it all on. In her mind that was the perfect plan.

But wouldn't she have left the keys?

[Linda7NJ]

I would go at night to where they had dug a fresh grave at a cemetery and was going to bury someone the next day. I would get in the hole and dig a shallow grave (enough to cover the body) and cover it with some dirt. When they set the vault the next day it would be buried forever.


ooooooooooo that's good! if i ever have the need....i am stealing your plan;)

[momtomany]

I don't believe KC acted alone in disposing of the body. She was intending to bury it on June 18th but the job was not as easy as she thought:
- hottest/most humid time of the day 1:30-2:30 pm
- borrowed a shovel for less than one hour; you need MORE than one hour to dig a good size hole
- KC is the type of person who does no hard physical labor; has no experience doing gardening; this is not her "thing" etc.
- petite build; she is just too much of a "girly" "party" type of girl accustomed to having others to things for her. I have a hard time picturing her going into swampy, alligators, mosquito infested areas. She could not handle a disposal on her own.


IMO She ended up carrying Caylee around in the trunk for days wandering and driving around many areas looking for a spot; then came up with the idea to put the vehicle on fire (gas cans stolen). This did NOT work out because GA found Caylee in the trunk along with the gas cans - my theory is that when GA came upon the gas cans in the trunk he also found the body there. I don't believe for a minute that he is truthful about what he saw!

Now we would need to think like him, there is not much time to think/act at this point. What would he do? where would be the BEST place to hide the body in a quick manner while at the same time give Caylee "proper burial"?

Simplest solution - the back of the house!! You put the body in a sealed container, make a hole deep enough that cadaver dogs would not be able to sniff (I have read that they cannot smell below 4 feet). Then you put pavers or a shed on top of the burial site "sealing the area". Then you think of something to throw off investigators (abandon car next to a dumpster -throwing off LE to look for the body in a landfill).

IMO GA's whereabouts and statements need to be looked a little closer...

[Cagney]

I honestly don't know what I would do with a body. I mean my rational side tells me that with all the latest technology finding a body even burried deep in the desert will be found.

My speculation as to where Casey put this babys body has always been to the alligators from the begining.

Another theory that I thought about today is- Do we know where george went after bringing back the car from the tow yard? What if he found the body then and disposed of it that night? Have his whereabouts been accounted for from the time he picked up the car?
Obviously this is all pure speculation on my part.

[monoxide]

I'd eat the body or make clothing out of it! :) I sure wouldn't hide it my backyard.

[simonsmom]

I think tossing her in a gator infested body of water is the most likely. I think she buried her in the back yard first but got scared and moved her to a swamp. I can't imagine being that evil.

[Marina2]

I would bury the body at a construction site where I knew concrete would be poured soon, preferably under a new high-rise building. Or, if I had a friend with a large cabin cruiser..."swim with the fishees". Of course this would take considerable forethought and planning, something Casey lacked.

I do think Caylee's body will be found. Casey under estimated decomp and as the days went on she realized she had to do something and quick. I think, to her, putting the body anywhere was better than having it in the trunk. She may have started out by leaving the body in the trunk until a good plan was formulated but the decomp rate was so fast that she wasn't able to plan. I don't think she had time to give more than a moments thought with all the socializing and phone convos she was involved in during that week.

[monoxide]

If it is found it will be without the help of Casey. Casey will never tell. She is scared

[Linda7NJ]

If it is found it will be without the help of Casey. Casey will never tell. She is scared


IMO she isn't scared at all

[passin_through]

You clever people - where would you put a dead body?

My first thought was to bury it, but then my friend said she would put one down a storm drain found along a street glutter (and I think that is brilliant) which I never would have thought of.

If I had a dead body in the trunk, my first line of business would be getting rid of it in a meticulous fashion. I don't think that was Casey's priority.

Plus, there may be different ways of disposing of a body if it was still in a stage of rigor mortis or in Padilla's words "body stew in a bag."

So, in a brainstorming fashion, where would you put a dead body?

I have a hard time with this one, it's even more difficult because the body would be that of my child. Being my child I would have to think of a really pretty place I had been that was out of the way or I would search for one. I would bury, I could in no way do the gator thing or dumpster thing.

Some random body of someone I couldn't care less about and would prob'ly hate--concidering they're dead at my hands? I guess if I know I'm going to be suspect I would want them far away.

I tell myself dismembering and disposing of in several locations would work best, but I can't imagine I could get past the ralph factor. But gators and such sound good to me in that case.

I don't know, I think I'm not so good at this gettin' rid of a body bit. Think I'll stick to my boring life, it's simple and baking cookies smells much better than disposing of bodies! *shiver*

[tiredofthis]

I think tossing her in a gator infested body of water is the most likely. I think she buried her in the back yard first but got scared and moved her to a swamp. I can't imagine being that evil.

I think she is in the swamp too. KC just seems far to confident Caylee's body will never be found.

[monoxide]

Oh she is scared. She just has a very good poker face. Everybody gets scared near the end. She knows better to fess up for her own good

[SleuthinCa]

I just can't put myself in a situation where I'd have to hide a body! I don't have it in me, at all!

[MiraclesHappen]

I don't believe KC acted alone in disposing of the body. She was intending to bury it on June 18th but the job was not as easy as she thought:
- hottest/most humid time of the day 1:30-2:30 pm
- borrowed a shovel for less than one hour; you need MORE than one hour to dig a good size hole
- KC is the type of person who does no physical hard labor; has no experience doing gardening; this is not her "thing" etc.
- petite build; she is just too much of a "girly" "party" type of girl accustomed to having others to things for her. I have a hard time picturing her going into swampy, alligators, mosquito infested areas. She could not handle a disposal on her own.

***(snipped)***

Simplest solution - the back of the house!! You put the body in a sealed container, make a hole deep enough that cadaver dogs would not be able to sniff (I have read that they cannot smell below 4 feet). Then you put pavers or a shed on top of the burial site "sealing the area". Then you think of something to throw off investigators (abandon car next to a dumpster -throwing off LE to look for the body in a landfill).

IMO GA's whereabouts and statements need to be looked a little closer...

True, Momto.
That's been my stumbling block for Casey going into the woods alone, on foot, with a body in hand.
Until you actually get out there and experience the Florida wooded areas...not nature trails...but really undisturbed wooded areas, you don't know how CREEEEEEPY it really is. One foot into it and boom you are facing a giant web, with a spider that is huge, and at face level. :eek: There are poisonous snakes, swarming biting bugs, scorpions...it is not for the faint hearted casual hiker/ or party girl.
There is no way in he!! she is gonna stick around in those conditions long enough to dig a hole, especially in the brutally oppressive Florida heat. Planting a flower is an effort.
My avatar and I have been out in that type of woods in Central Florida.
While we have encountered all sorts of wildlife, 2 species come to mind as not being scared off by the dog. :snake: The rearing rattling snake and the galloping feral pig.
Everything else, including bears, has just scooted off. We have seen gators but only in the water and we kept a respectful distance.
The point being, Once you step off of well used or marked trails, it's a real creature feature around here. You never know what you'll bump into and the brush and undergrowth can suddenly become so thick you are either entangled or at a dead end, unless you have a machete.
I still say the turkey vultures are a Florida alternative to the gators for quick body consumption.
We have seen a large male deer in the woods, nearly intact, and in passing the animal, or what is left, a few hours later, it has attracted a mass of these carrion eating birds and it is a scattered skeleton. There is no blood, nothing. This is not to say a dog would not know...but a human observer would not be alerted.
I guess my point is that I cannot mentally form a picture of Casey in that type of environment with a body or without a body.

As for the sealed container, just don't charge it at JCPenney.:rolleyes:

[Pink Panther]

I think that she wrapped her up in plastic (probably a bag), put her in a suitcase, drove to a bridge over an aligator infested lake/river and dumped her.

I don't think that the decomposition was something that she had considered and I do think that she tried to somehow clean the car but that the smell just wouldn't go away.

ETA - I also think that she put one of those pavers inside the luggage - to weigh down the suitcase.

[jennjenn]

Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

Author indicates that according to NCMEC study mothers frequently dispose of childs bodies in womblike conditions, such as wrapping. And, almost always found in or close to the home.

Problem is, I don't think you can call Casey a mom in any sense of the word. I also do not think, psychologically speaking, she sees herself as a mother either. Hence, in this case, I don't think she would follow the above hypothesis. JMO

[Vanpet]

Hello Everyone I am new to post , but I have been lurking since the beginning of Caylee's disappearance. Excellent ideas and thoughts from everyone. A while back me and a friend was throwing back a few beers and a conversation came up that tripped me way out. My friend said if I was going to hide a body the best place that I could think of would be look in the local newspaper at the obituaries (at this point I was like oh my god why would something like this ever cross his mind.....but just wait it will all make sense). He said I would look at the obituaries to see when the next grave side service is taking place and the day before they usually dig the grave and prepare for the service. So the night before place the body in the grave cover it with a shallow layer of dirt and the grave workers usually lower the steel vault into the ground the morning of the service, the burial takes place, the coffin is lowered into the vault and the burial ground is filled back up with the soil. End of story. FYI he said the person had to be older and died of natural causes so there wouldnt be a possibility of the grave being dug up for any reasons.
I looked at him and asked where in the heck that came from, months earlier a lady we worked with her niece had come up missing and he was researching the area and possible leads to helping locate the coworkers niece.
Van

[suzet]

I think she really thought by leaving that car with her purse in it where she did, that it would be stolen. Think about a check cashing place- people go there because they do not have any money and if they are like the ones in this area, it is a very "rough" looking crowd.

I don't believe she considered them having it towed anywhere, but that someone would heist the car and then she would have someone to blame it all on. In her mind that was the perfect plan.

Totally agree!

[DiDi]

Totally agree!

At first I thought that makes alot of sense, but then I thought. Wait, she had Tony pick her up. So he would know that he picked her up, the car was there and Caylee wasn't. So I don't think that would fly, unless I'm not following what your thoughts are.

[suzet]

If I lived in FL, I'd dump a body in an alligator infested lake. If I lived in FL, I would probably know which lakes are more infested than others -Lake Jessup, for example, with the largest alligator population in FL. If I was new to FL, I might check out a site like this when looking for alligator infested bodies of water: http://www.gatorchasers.com/

And if there was a bridge going over Lake Jessup, all the better.

[momtomany]

True, Momto.
That's been my stumbling block for Casey going into the woods alone, on foot, with a body in hand.
Until you actually get out there and experience the Florida wooded areas...not nature trails...but really undisturbed wooded areas, you don't know how CREEEEEEPY it really is. One foot into it and boom you are facing a giant web, with a spider that is huge, and at face level. :eek: There are poisonous snakes, swarming biting bugs, scorpions...it is not for the faint hearted casual hiker/ or party girl.
There is no way in he!! she is gonna stick around in those conditions long enough to dig a hole, especially in the brutally oppressive Florida heat. Planting a flower is an effort.
My avatar and I have been out in that type of woods in Central Florida.
While we have encountered all sorts of wildlife, 2 species come to mind as not being scared off by the dog. :snake: The rearing rattling snake and the galloping feral pig.
Everything else, including bears, has just scooted off. We have seen gators but only in the water and we kept a respectful distance.
The point being, Once you step off of well used or marked trails, it's a real creature feature around here. You never know what you'll bump into and the brush and undergrowth can suddenly become so thick you are either entangled or at a dead end, unless you have a machete.
I still say the turkey vultures are a Florida alternative to the gators for quick body consumption.
We have seen a large male deer in the woods, nearly intact, and in passing the animal, or what is left, a few hours later, it has attracted a mass of these carrion eating birds and it is a scattered skeleton. There is no blood, nothing. This is not to say a dog would not know...but a human observer would not be alerted.
I guess my point is that I cannot mentally form a picture of Casey in that type of environment with a body or without a body.

As for the sealed container, just don't charge it at JCPenney.:rolleyes:

This description is soooo right on the money, :clap: this is a true picture of what nature is like in Florida. OMG the snakes and spiders!! Anything outside the roads or even nature trails is absolutely wild and dangerous and so scary!! I will never forget when the ValueJet crashed in the everglades, searchers gave up the search and rescue almost like immediately because the area was too dangerous for even the most experienced searchers to go into. We have mini Everglades areas all over central Florida, same widlife conditions except not as large area like the actual Everglades is.

Now just like KC... I cannot fanthom GA going in those areas either - he is "too spiffy" for that too :nerves:

Thanks for sharing!!

[LeLe1953]

Yeah, I just don't understand why she didn't clean out the trunk after she disposed of that precious little girl's body. If it smelled so bad, and she left the car in a public place, she had to have known incriminating evidence would be found. I don't get that part.

I don't think she bothered because she really thought that car would be stolen. I mean, she made it easy enough for it to be. I'm not sure she did put in the water or dumpster. I think she may have put Caylee where she could "visit" her. That might go along with the witness who saw someone who looked like Casey leaving the area by the airport.

[indymom77]

I've never gotten that part either. Since she knew what she would have needed to do to cover it up, it's almost like she wanted to be caught.



I think the reason why she didnt clean up the car was because she couldnt take the smell! Simple as that. She wanted it to be stolen or towed.
So she left it!

[Evan's Mom]

I can't even fathom ever being in a position to dispose of a dead body.
Seriously, my bf and I were discussing this the other night.
I could never take another person's life unless it was in defense of a loved one and then it would still be hard to kill a living soul.
Even then, I'd be justified and have no reason to hide the body.

[DiDi]

I think the reason why she didnt clean up the car was because she couldnt take the smell! Simple as that. She wanted it to be stolen or towed.
So she left it!


Yes, I could definitely see her thinking ok, someone will steal the car and if it is ever found, the smell would be from whoever stole the car, not from her carting around her dead baby. The other thought I had, she might just have thought the car smell would go away the longer it sat there. ??

[TURBOTHINK]

I don't believe KC acted alone in disposing of the body. She was intending to bury it on June 18th but the job was not as easy as she thought:
- hottest/most humid time of the day 1:30-2:30 pm
- borrowed a shovel for less than one hour; you need MORE than one hour to dig a good size hole
- KC is the type of person who does no hard physical labor; has no experience doing gardening; this is not her "thing" etc.
- petite build; she is just too much of a "girly" "party" type of girl accustomed to having others to things for her. I have a hard time picturing her going into swampy, alligators, mosquito infested areas. She could not handle a disposal on her own.


IMO She ended up carrying Caylee around in the trunk for days wandering and driving around many areas looking for a spot; then came up with the idea to put the vehicle on fire (gas cans stolen). This did NOT work out because GA found Caylee in the trunk along with the gas cans - my theory is that when GA came upon the gas cans in the trunk he also found the body there. I don't believe for a minute that he is truthful about what he saw!

Now we would need to think like him, there is not much time to think/act at this point. What would he do? where would be the BEST place to hide the body in a quick manner while at the same time give Caylee "proper burial"?

Simplest solution - the back of the house!! You put the body in a sealed container, make a hole deep enough that cadaver dogs would not be able to sniff (I have read that they cannot smell below 4 feet). Then you put pavers or a shed on top of the burial site "sealing the area". Then you think of something to throw off investigators (abandon car next to a dumpster -throwing off LE to look for the body in a landfill).

IMO GA's whereabouts and statements need to be looked a little closer...

I have felt he was involved from the beginning. It was always VERY STRANGE to me that CA kept saying how much yard work he had done and how his BLOOD AND SWEAT was what the dogs were hitting on in the back yard. Their grandchild is missing and they all of a sudden start totally redoing their back yard? Give me a break !

In an earlier post today, I commented on all the lime being poured over the back yard. That to me was VERY telling. I honestly believe YOU are right on with this post........

I believe that child is in the back yard and have asked if they poured any concrete during the time she was "gone." Concrete has lime and will cover the smell for the dogs sometimes. Then you take and cover the ENTIRE back yard with lime and PRESTO.........dogs are not an issue anymore.

They would have NO FEAR of any of the searches and were somewhat cooperative UNTIL TES was going to do a search again in their yard. Then all of a sudden they disliked TES and they limed their yard.

Yep..........look under some concrete or a storage building.

[Law_girl41]

I think I'd have to go the frozen-body-into-the-woodchipper route.

oh I remember this one, but they got caught...:behindbar

[Law_girl41]

Just thought of one that goes one better, in a very morbid sense of "better."
I have a unidentified child from my files, her parents (presumably) wrapped her in a baby blanket, then wrapped her in plastic sheets, placed her inside a suitcase, wrapped the suitcase entirely in duct tape, opened up the back of a large console TV, cleared out all the wires and tubes that were in the way, put the suitcase in the TV, screwed the back of the TV on and took it to the dump themselves.
If some random person hadn't decided to go hunting for metal in the dump and kicked the back of the TV, causing the suitcase to fall out the body never would have been found.

:eek:


...but it was a nice try! :rolleyes:

[TURBOTHINK]

There was a case in my area where a woman killed her husband and buried him in the back yard and 15 years later LE got a warrant and dug up the entire back yard. They found him. She is in jail now.

I dont' know what it would take for a search warrant for a complete "dig up" of that yard, but I do think it needs to be done.

It has really bothered me that as soon as TES wanted to do their yard, they went ballistic. To me that was very telling.

[ysun]

There are so many places to put a body that it would never be found.

Find a field where the farmers are going to be disking the ground. The dirt is always uneven and crops are planted twice a year. This time of year here they are harvesting the crops and planting their fall crops. Rice fields are perfect b/c the burn the fields then disk up the ground. No one would ever think to look there, ever changing soil is perfect. Swamps are perfect with the gators plus you can wrap the body in black trash bags with weights and the body will sink.

This is scary, I can't even think about it anymore.

[Elley Mae]

Did it ever come out what day of the week it was that George saw Casey in Cindy's truck and chased her down the 408,it was the week of 23-27. where was Casey's car when she had moms truck.

[magnolia]

I would go at night to where they had dug a fresh grave at a cemetery and was going to bury someone the next day. I would get in the hole and dig a shallow grave (enough to cover the body) and cover it with some dirt. When they set the vault the next day it would be buried forever.

lol Turbo, you must have given this a lot of thought. Brilliant!!

[SharetheLight]

I have felt he was involved from the beginning. It was always VERY STRANGE to me that CA kept saying how much yard work he had done and how his BLOOD AND SWEAT was what the dogs were hitting on in the back yard. Their grandchild is missing and they all of a sudden start totally redoing their back yard? Give me a break !

In an earlier post today, I commented on all the lime being poured over the back yard. That to me was VERY telling. I honestly believe YOU are right on with this post........

I believe that child is in the back yard and have asked if they poured any concrete during the time she was "gone." Concrete has lime and will cover the smell for the dogs sometimes. Then you take and cover the ENTIRE back yard with lime and PRESTO.........dogs are not an issue anymore.

They would have NO FEAR of any of the searches and were somewhat cooperative UNTIL TES was going to do a search again in their yard. Then all of a sudden they disliked TES and they limed their yard.

Yep..........look under some concrete or a storage building.

why would he lime the yard. that's crazy. i didn't know this.

[SharetheLight]

Things are a lot different here.
So relating to her options and her possible way of thnking?

She may have tied her up in a tree someplace?

She is not logical
have the dogs looked up in trees?
Do the trees in Florida drop leaves like ours do here in the EAST?

I saw a story once on COURT TV.
Nobody could find the guy cuz he hung himself and was way high up in a tree.

It was after the leaves had fallen that somebody spotted his body hanging up there in a tree.

Wow, trees. I like this one. You never hear of a dead body being discovered up in a tree. This is creative.

[passin_through]

I don't know, Casey doesn't seem that prissy to me. Sure she's lazy and will wrangle someone into doing whatever for her if she can, but priss, nah. She's pees in parking lots for cripes sakes! Her hands aren't all lovely either. Nah, she would dig, get yucky and do just about whatever if it served her purpose. jmo

[Bev]

she must have at first been sick to her stomach with panic and fear and wondering what to do. She had a situation on her hands that was out of her control and she knew she had to have help handling this. That explains the fast and furious flurry of calls to her parents that occurred that Monday afternoon. When they didn't answer their phones that gave her a few minutes to think and if you were her what would be the first thing that would have crossed your mind? "What is Mom going to say?" The one person in the world whose opinion of you, you most care about. That's the one confrontation you are going to dread the most and probably the one you're going to want to avoid at all costs. It's too late to avoid it now, but you want to postpone it as long as possible - you do though, want to know when Mom finds out because you don't want that coming down on you without any kind of warning. You want to know when the body is found so where are you going to put it? You're going to put where you can keep an eye on it and know when the jig is up. You're going to bury it in the backyard so you can know if someone has been close to it or messing around by or in it.

You look at the body for awhile and you start to think that she's dead and nothing is going to bring her back and you didn't mean to do it and when it is found out your life is over anyway so why not try to buy some time until you can think what to do. So you get a garbage bag from the kitchen or a duffel bag from the bedroom and you put the body in it and you get a shovel and you bury the body in the backyard. That way you'll know right away if it is found and at the same time you think it doesn't look that bad if you do it that way rather than dump it in a swamp or river. Then you leave and drive around all day sick to your stomach with fear and trying to figure out a believable story. You can't stand it though and you keep calling Mom and then Dad to see if anything has been found or if they're suspicious. That explains the second flurry of phone calls you make that day.

When nothing happens that day and nothing happens the next day or the day after that you begin to think that maybe it's not going to be found and by staying away you can avoid confrontations or suspicions. When you get away with it for awhile and life seems in someways easier without a kid you begin thinking that maybe you better move the body someplace where it can never be found. So you dig it up, you put it in the trunk of the car and then drive someplace you think is safe from anyone seeing you. But there isn't really any kind of place like that, that you can think of anyway, you try some places but everytime someone is around or driving down the road or you see lights coming towards you, so you make the decision to wait awhile and come up with a better plan. In the meantime you're forced to leave the body in the trunk of the car which in a way is a lot safer because you always have the car with you.

But then the car begins to stink and it gets worse and worse and you begin to worry that maybe someone else is going to smell it or has smelled it and is wondering why it stinks like that. Just another level added to the problem that needs an alibi set up for it - so you tell your friends a story that to you at least sounds plausible and you put it off another couple days until you can't stand it anymore and you're desparate enough to dump it. The problem now is the car...

[zjsmommy]

There are 2 options for me.

1. If it was some adult that I killed. I would dig a hole in the middle of the no where. Place the body there, and burn it, until very little is left. Then either bury the pieces or spread them out in a lake or river (Marcus fisel case)

or

2. if I was trying to hide the death of my child. I would drive the car into a lake or pond and get out. Then go somewhere with clean clothes and claim I was car jacked.

[zadari]

i dont think there is anything of caylee left.. :( casey most likely made sure of that oh god typing this makes me cry and breaks my heart :(

[Elphaba]

If I was in the position of needing to hide a body, I'd probably off myself. I just can't fathom myself living with the guilt of harming someone to the point of needing to hide their body to stay out of trouble.

If I was a sociopath that wouldn't lose sleep over it, I'd hide a body where no one else ever hid a body on CSI or Forensic Files. :)

[cfromcanada]

I can't even handle open coffin funerals or the idea of cremation so I seriously don't think I could dispose of a body! Okay, but pretending that I am a sociopath with no feelings at all, I guess I go for wooded area, slough, lake etc. and hope that nature assists..Transporting the body so as not to leave evidence..hmmm. I wouldn't have a clue.

[santos1014]

I would go at night to where they had dug a fresh grave at a cemetery and was going to bury someone the next day. I would get in the hole and dig a shallow grave (enough to cover the body) and cover it with some dirt. When they set the vault the next day it would be buried forever.


Ahhhaahhhh Mr. Brooks.

[SusieClue]

Why not just sneak into a landfill area at night and ditch the body? I agree a dumpster would be the easiest least suspected route, though. Makes me feel very sorry for the garbage handlers! I do agree that the Florida alligators could really be helpful at a time like this. Horrid.

[kajohn]

I think she has placed her in some kind of container, maybee a rolling suitcase{would be easy for Casey to roll somewhere} and has pitched her out in the woods somewhere, a hollow tree trunk pehaps?? In thick brush?? I just don't see Casey exerting herself by digging a grave, maybee under a brush/leave pile??


Poppy

Thats an interesting theory. I wonder if she came home and packed her suitcase for her trip when "Zany got into the car accident." ?

[SailorMoon]

I don't know...but Melinda Duckett, the McCanns, and now KC have all seem to have found good spots. I think that there in Florida, by lakes were the choices of MD and KC. They probably laid the body there, said their goodbyes and once they left....whatever happened to it, happened to it (i.e., gators).

I'd be in such a panic I couldn't do it though.

[El Gato]

I'd eat the body or make clothing out of it! :) I sure wouldn't hide it my backyard.

OMG, lol

[Insomnia Momma]

Can I just repectfully say that you are all twisted and sick individulals? :crazy:

Sheesh, some of these ideas scare the bologna out of me! :chicken:

[dcorrigano]

I know exactly what I'd do, in the middle of the night head down south to Port St Lucie it's about an hour or two from Orlando. Drop it off the side of the highway. Someone did this with 3 or 4 bodies several years ago and they have yet to find out who did it.

[YellowDog]

Wow, trees. I like this one. You never hear of a dead body being discovered up in a tree. This is creative.

That would be pretty hard for someone of Casey's size to accomplish.

[YellowDog]

There are so many places to put a body that it would never be found.

Find a field where the farmers are going to be disking the ground. The dirt is always uneven and crops are planted twice a year. This time of year here they are harvesting the crops and planting their fall crops. Rice fields are perfect b/c the burn the fields then disk up the ground. No one would ever think to look there, ever changing soil is perfect. Swamps are perfect with the gators plus you can wrap the body in black trash bags with weights and the body will sink.

This is scary, I can't even think about it anymore.

I think you are right. There are so many people missing in this country that are never found, there must be many, many ways to dispose of a body.

[icherish]

Where would I put a dead body? :eek::waitasec: Hmm, not easy to think about even hypothetically, but I'll try.

Ok, I've thought about it and no can do. I couldn't move a dead body if my life depended on it. :no: :chicken:

Yep, I'd be screwed...

[Rhett]

[quote=Bev;2770327]she must have at first been sick to her stomach with panic and fear and wondering what to do. She had a situation on her hands that was out of her control and she knew she had to have help handling this. That explains the fast and furious flurry of calls to her (clipped for space)
I think this or the other one about George helping is the most likely. However, I think she or her helper ended up burning up Caylee's body thus the gas cans.

[Linda7NJ]

That would be pretty hard for someone of Casey's size to accomplish.

would be very very easy...a rope tied to caylee ...up over a tree limb...and simply pull the other end until the body is up high enough and then tie it off.

[mommya]

Can't really say what I would do in various circumstances - but in Casey's circumstance -

I'd wrap the body in something like a blanket - then maybe put it in a container of some sort for transport (so I don't have to see it or touch it) - then I'd weight it down with a couple of pavers somehow and dump it from a bridge into fairly deep water.

In a panic I may have placed the body somewhere first - like a hidden spot known to me - till I could gather the needed materials. I would not have left it in that first spot very long though - I'd be very worried about decomp beginning.

No burial - I know how hard it is just to bury a pet - there's no way I'd stick around anywhere long enough to dig a grave. Quick disposal is key.

[YellowDog]

would be very very easy...a rope tied to caylee ...up over a tree limb...and simply pull the other end until the body is up high enough and then tie it off.


Yes, I guess you could do it that way. I had a vision of her trying to climb a tree with a dead body under her arm.

[chizap]

I wouldn't.

[Insomnia Momma]

Yes, I guess you could do it that way. I had a vision of her trying to climb a tree with a dead body under her arm.

I get that this is in no way funny but the picture you painted for me made me laugh sooo hard. :crazy:

I'm the exact same height and weight that LE has Casey listed at. I could do the rope over the branch method but climbing a tree carrying anything wouldn't happen :eek:

I was thinking and the average 3 yr old female weighs around 32 lbs. Thats a lot of weight. It would have to be in a bag of some sort that would be easy to handle. I'm thinking a rolling suitcase, then again, I'm lazy that way. :waitasec:

[magnolia]

Wow, trees. I like this one. You never hear of a dead body being discovered up in a tree. This is creative.

What about vultures flying around calling attn. to the body? :eek:

[momtomany]

I have felt he was involved from the beginning. It was always VERY STRANGE to me that CA kept saying how much yard work he had done and how his BLOOD AND SWEAT was what the dogs were hitting on in the back yard. Their grandchild is missing and they all of a sudden start totally redoing their back yard? Give me a break !

In an earlier post today, I commented on all the lime being poured over the back yard. That to me was VERY telling. I honestly believe YOU are right on with this post........

I believe that child is in the back yard and have asked if they poured any concrete during the time she was "gone." Concrete has lime and will cover the smell for the dogs sometimes. Then you take and cover the ENTIRE back yard with lime and PRESTO.........dogs are not an issue anymore.

They would have NO FEAR of any of the searches and were somewhat cooperative UNTIL TES was going to do a search again in their yard. Then all of a sudden they disliked TES and they limed their yard.

Yep..........look under some concrete or a storage building.

That is dead on!! they are just too defensive when it comes to their yard. To me this is the REAL reason why TES abandoned the search. Yes the water was a problem but I think someone in either LE or TES does believe that the backyard needs to be searched more.

There is something about GA's demeanor that has been very telling from the beginning; example - how come....
-GA did not go with CA to locate KC the eve of Jul 15th. I think if my hubby and I were to find our vehicle smelling like death my hubby for sure DROP whatever his schedule was to locate our kids?? Why was he not involved? To me it is telling because if already knew what was going on, just like other men he would not be interested in the drama about to ensue dealing with a freaked-out wife who is just now finding out.
-He refers to little Caylee as "that little girl" -a phrase with a past sense connotation to it.
-GA, after KC, is the most uninvolved of the family members in the search. One day out the blue he goes overboard with a professionally done billboard towed off his car; he said he was going to drive this everywhere forever until Caylee was found. What is he making up for?
-Hmmm the chase situation that so far has not much of an explanation. Told LE he was not sure of the date of the chase (but he does remember KC's "pin stripe pants") So telling right there LOLOLOL.
-Polygraph turned down, :rolleyes:
-Different versions of how he came upon the gas cans. Told Greta VS that he himself went in the car and found the gas cans there; tells LE that KC handed the gas cans to him.

[concentric]

I think the question is confusing because you are asking where YOU (WE) would hide a dead body. I think a better phrasing of the question would be: If SOMEONE wanted to dispose of a body, where would they put the body? That way, you don't have the moral dilemna.

Then, again, you don't have all of the variables present to alter the circumstances, such as: Do you think that person would want to treat the body with care, just throw it out like trash, or have it immediately disintegrate? Then you would have to question the available sources of disposal. I already answered this on the "Where do you think they should search" thread:

a) Look in a swampy area, in the deeper parts, where the body could be submerged completely in mud, possibly encased in a container or covering with weight of some sort. This would require searchers to wade around in muck, and the dogs would have a difficult time scenting it.

b) Look at the bottom of a cliff in dense vegetation where someone even with a machete couldn't possibly squeeze into.

[wallflower67]

You clever people - where would you put a dead body?

My first thought was to bury it, but then my friend said she would put one down a storm drain found along a street glutter (and I think that is brilliant) which I never would have thought of.

If I had a dead body in the trunk, my first line of business would be getting rid of it in a meticulous fashion. I don't think that was Casey's priority.

Plus, there may be different ways of disposing of a body if it was still in a stage of rigor mortis or in Padilla's words "body stew in a bag."

So, in a brainstorming fashion, where would you put a dead body?

We had a case here where a woman's body was put in a man hole and not discovered for nearly 10 years. LE knew who did it, but without the body, they couldn't prove there was a murder. I can't remember whether the perp was found guilty or not.

Also, remember that we all here know more about dead bodies than the average Joe. It's hard for me to say what I would do if I didn't know much about decomp. I'll think about it for a minute or two!

[princess]

:confused:

And she didn't clean the trunk either. She could have ripped the carpet out, vacuumed for hairs, etc. Why wouldn't she have done that? :confused:

IMO..because she did not plan to stick around Fl much longer...

[concentric]

IMO..because she did not plan to stick around Fl much longer...

And because she thought the evidence would evaporate, dissipate in time, time, time...could keep the heat off.
Time and Distance

[wallflower67]

Yeah, I just don't understand why she didn't clean out the trunk after she disposed of that precious little girl's body. If it smelled so bad, and she left the car in a public place, she had to have known incriminating evidence would be found. I don't get that part.

She probably thought she could pull the Susan Smith "I was carjacked" story.

[monoxide]

I believe Casey could handle Caylee's body very easily by her self

[princess]

Well..growing up here in Florida even though it is bulit up compared to just 20 years ago...I still know of a few rock pit/swimming holes, secluded lakes, park like areas that would be perfect to dump a body as well as fairly easily accessible to the public if they know where to go.

[CaliKid]

That is dead on!! they are just too defensive when it comes to their yard. To me this is the REAL reason why TES abandoned the search. Yes the water was a problem but I think someone in either LE or TES does believe that the backyard needs to be searched more.

There is something about GA's demeanor that has been very telling from the beginning; example - how come....
-GA did not go with CA to locate KC the eve of Jul 15th. I think if my hubby and I were to find our vehicle smelling like death my hubby for sure DROP whatever his schedule was to locate our kids?? Why was he not involved? To me it is telling because if already knew what was going on, just like other men he would not be interested in the drama about to ensue dealing with a freaked-out wife who is just now finding out.
-He refers to little Caylee as "that little girl" -a phrase with a past sense connotation to it.
-GA, after KC, is the most uninvolved of the family members in the search. One day out the blue he goes overboard with a professionally done billboard towed off his car; he said he was going to drive this everywhere forever until Caylee was found. What is he making up for?
-Hmmm the chase situation that so far has not much of an explanation. Told LE he was not sure of the date of the chase (but he does remember KC's "pin stripe pants") So telling right there LOLOLOL.
-Polygraph turned down, :rolleyes:
-Different versions of how he came upon the gas cans. Told Greta VS that he himself went in the car and found the gas cans there; tells LE that KC handed the gas cans to him.

You make some very compelling points about George's involvement. I'm going to have to rethink this.

[Charge Them All]

I think Caylee is much closer than alot of people think. Think about it, where is the safest place to hide a body? Where you can keep an eye on it. There is also that statment she made about Caylee bieng close. JMO

[Lexington]

I honestly don't know what I would do with a body. I mean my rational side tells me that with all the latest technology finding a body even burried deep in the desert will be found.

My speculation as to where Casey put this babys body has always been to the alligators from the begining.

Another theory that I thought about today is- Do we know where george went after bringing back the car from the tow yard? What if he found the body then and disposed of it that night? Have his whereabouts been accounted for from the time he picked up the car?
Obviously this is all pure speculation on my part.


He went to work per his interview with LE. His work hours were from 3pm to 11pm. I don't know if LE verified this.

[YellowDog]

I get that this is in no way funny but the picture you painted for me made me laugh sooo hard. :crazy:

I'm the exact same height and weight that LE has Casey listed at. I could do the rope over the branch method but climbing a tree carrying anything wouldn't happen :eek:

I was thinking and the average 3 yr old female weighs around 32 lbs. Thats a lot of weight. It would have to be in a bag of some sort that would be easy to handle. I'm thinking a rolling suitcase, then again, I'm lazy that way. :waitasec:

No, I didn't mean it to be funny either but that was the picture in my mind.

[concentric]

Well..growing up here in Florida even though it is bulit up compared to just 20 years ago...I still know of a few rock pit/swimming holes, secluded lakes, park like areas that would be perfect to dump a body as well as fairly easily accessible to the public if they know where to go.

Hi princess. Are you reading the psychic thread. We are discussing such areas as you say, here. And would definitely welcome your insight.

[wallflower67]

Until this case, i've never really thought about where to hide a body, so I can thank KC for the fact that I actually have pondered this hideous question!

Before I read up on decomp, I honestly don't know what I would have done. Probably throw it in the river and get caught because I'd spend an hour on the bridge struggling with the dead weight of a body, esp if it was an adult. Or just throw it in the woods and hope I don't get caught. digging a hole would be really physically hard for me.

Now that I know more, if it were a child, I'd go the dumpster route. Moms throw their newborn babies in dumpsters all the time, and God knows how many have gotten away with it.

I don't think I could handle an adult body by myself. But the pre-grave-site cermonial burial sounds good. Or re-digging up a new grave site in the middle of the night and burying it 3 feet under would be another plan. If I went the river route, I'd be sure to weigh the body down.

Well, I'm done with this line of thought now!

[Dolphinmomcca]

I wouldnt put a dead body anywhere, because I wouldnt have a dead body to dispose of. lol

[CaliKid]

I wouldnt put a dead body anywhere, because I wouldnt have a dead body to dispose of. lol

Amen to that! Someone above posted about their ex, and I was the same way. The only time in my life I was ever angry enough to want to kill someone was when I was going through my divorce because my ex was being a total jerk about the kids. You just don't mess with a mom and her children.

I actually had some "friends" volunteer to take care of him, but I politely declined. No matter how angry I was, he wasn't worth spending my life in prison for.

[Lexington]

I wouldn't be caught dead with a dead body. If I were KC, I would probably do an easy dump, nothing too strenuous or dangerous. I would use a suitcase on wheels or a duffel bag and leave the body in a wooded area well covered by branches not far from a road. I don't think she would go into a swampy or overgrown area inhabited by alligators, snakes, etc.

[jnTexas]

Just thought of one that goes one better, in a very morbid sense of "better."
I have a unidentified child from my files, her parents (presumably) wrapped her in a baby blanket, then wrapped her in plastic sheets, placed her inside a suitcase, wrapped the suitcase entirely in duct tape, opened up the back of a large console TV, cleared out all the wires and tubes that were in the way, put the suitcase in the TV, screwed the back of the TV on and took it to the dump themselves.
If some random person hadn't decided to go hunting for metal in the dump and kicked the back of the TV, causing the suitcase to fall out the body never would have been found.

OMG!! this is so sad. think if the kids who have not been found. people are so horrible.:eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

In an urn or in a casket. They are the only two places I would ever think to put a body.

[suggie]

The morgue or the undertaker.


I think the suspect did absolutely nothing to put herself in danger, ie snakes, gators. Place of "Beauty" that is secluded enough. Not a lot of work though and I agree with a suitcase on wheels. (Wonder if any are missing)!

[concentric]

I guess her "grandiose sense of self" made her dispose of the body, rather than admit?

[Can't Sleep]

THIS GOT TOO LONG - I really ended up getting into this. Sorry friends.

I can't imagine myself being in this...uh..."predicament," but my sleuthier side makes me try to think about it. :)

The things I would consider (which clearly are not necessarily the things KC would consider) would be - not being observed, smell, physical discovery of remains, evidence to tie me to the death, establishing plausible deniability.

To be inconspicuous, I'd have to make it appear that I'm doing something that is not out of the ordinary (like taking trash to dumpster) or do it with cover of darkness, etc. I would try to do absolutely nothing to draw attention to myself.

The smell is so penetrating (especially if I were lazy/ignorant enough to carry a body around in my trunk for more than 36 hours) that I would realize that it would have to be disposed of in a manner that the smell would be sealed or hidden very well, or in a place where the smell would be masked by some other terrible smell such as a landfill, waste treatment facility or a stagnant marine environment (which always smells like death to me anyway and human remains might be mistaken for just another rotting fish or animal.)

The possibility of the remains being discovered would be diminished the longer I would wait before alerting anyone that there even was a problem so, after completing the deed, I would go into hiding for as long as humanly possible - not telling anyone and acting like nothing was worrying me - all is cool. This would also help with the plausible deniablility. Since I lived on a sheep farm for 13 years, I know how really difficult it is to dig a hole big enough to bury an animal (without a backhoe) and how deep an adequate grave has to be, I would not plan on burying a body with a gardening shovel unless I had opted for leaving the body buried in a sand dune someplace. I might drive to a poorly maintained beach area and take the body in a black trash bag to bury in the back dunes, knowing that it wouldn't raise too much attention and if I was confronted, I could be cool and say that I wanted to bury my kid's deceased dog. No one would ask to look in the bag and I could change my plan to a different location or backup plan.

Pitching a body - bound very well with something which would only decompose after the contents, with a relatively heavy weight (10 to 20 lb.) might be a possibility under the cover of darkness and if I was certain that the traffic would slow so much that I would not be noticed. However, the body's weight plus a 10-20 pound weight would be difficult to manage - 40 to 50 pounds. That is more than one of the really large bags of dog food at the grocery store (next time you walk down the pet food aisle, just drag one of those 40 or 50 pound sacks out and then try to get it back on the shelf) or a sack of feed corn. It would not be an easy matter to "pitch" it and so perhaps dropping off a bridge, but only if I was certain to be unnoticed.

The fear of being seen in an unfamiliar place doing something odd would probably cause me to look for a way to make it look inconspicuous like something other people are doing all the time. I would probably double bag the smallish body in lawn and leaf garbage sacks and just swing it up over the side of a dumpster, like I'm just taking out the day's trash. I might even carry a bag of trash in my trunk for credibility if a friend should see me doing this. <wink>

I would probably use the dumpster I ormally use - either at the apartment complex where I was living (Sutton Place or Sawgrass) or perhaps even setting it out by the curb for trash pickup (Hopespring.) 30 pounds in a bag stuffed with light paper trash (parents' receipts of someone unknown would be good so I could accuse someone else if the remains are found) might not be suspicious to the trash men. I would be certain that absolutely nothing traceable to me was in the bag with the body and would use latex gloves to handle all contents.

I would watch carefully to be certain the trash was taken without incident and then each day that passed, I would feel better and better that the remains would not be found and I would be more and more confident about living my normal life and telling a "kidnapping" story.

Hmmmm. Somewhere along the line here, I got distracted and started going to what I think Casey might've done. I know that wasn't the question but this was hard for me to think about . Sorry.

[kwmred]

In an urn or in a casket. They are the only two places I would ever think to put a body.


Totally agree with you Seriously.

I would never dispose of a dead body, but I would think that a criminal mind in Florida would go for Lake Jessup - easy enough to throw safely from the bridge. I sure hope that isn't what happened to Caylee.

[TakeNote]

I think KC bought something like a suite case and other stuff that CA didnt want the LE to see on her card statements......and its taken awhile to get those records thru the court system...for LE to add to evidence....also that is why she didnt want GA to see in her trunk....he would wonder why there was a suite case, shovel, plastic, tape....etc...in there.....jmo

[TURBOTHINK]

THIS GOT TOO LONG - I really ended up getting into this. Sorry friends.

I can't imagine myself being in this...uh..."predicament," but my sleuthier side makes me try to think about it. :)

The things I would consider (which clearly are not necessarily the things KC would consider) would be - not being observed, smell, physical discovery of remains, evidence to tie me to the death, establishing plausible deniability.

To be inconspicuous, I'd have to make it appear that I'm doing something that is not out of the ordinary (like taking trash to dumpster) or do it with cover of darkness, etc. I would try to do absolutely nothing to draw attention to myself.

The smell is so penetrating (especially if I were lazy/ignorant enough to carry a body around in my trunk for more than 36 hours) that I would realize that it would have to be disposed of in a manner that the smell would be sealed or hidden very well, or in a place where the smell would be masked by some other terrible smell such as a landfill, waste treatment facility or a stagnant marine environment (which always smells like death to me anyway and human remains might be mistaken for just another rotting fish or animal.)

The possibility of the remains being discovered would be diminished the longer I would wait before alerting anyone that there even was a problem so, after completing the deed, I would go into hiding for as long as humanly possible - not telling anyone and acting like nothing was worrying me - all is cool. This would also help with the plausible deniablility. Since I lived on a sheep farm for 13 years, I know how really difficult it is to dig a hole big enough to bury an animal (without a backhoe) and how deep an adequate grave has to be, I would not plan on burying a body with a gardening shovel unless I had opted for leaving the body buried in a sand dune someplace. I might drive to a poorly maintained beach area and take the body in a black trash bag to bury in the back dunes, knowing that it wouldn't raise too much attention and if I was confronted, I could be cool and say that I wanted to bury my kid's deceased dog. No one would ask to look in the bag and I could change my plan to a different location or backup plan.

Pitching a body - bound very well with something which would only decompose after the contents, with a relatively heavy weight (10 to 20 lb.) might be a possibility under the cover of darkness and if I was certain that the traffic would slow so much that I would not be noticed. However, the body's weight plus a 10-20 pound weight would be difficult to manage - 40 to 50 pounds. That is more than one of the really large bags of dog food at the grocery store (next time you walk down the pet food aisle, just drag one of those 40 or 50 pound sacks out and then try to get it back on the shelf) or a sack of feed corn. It would not be an easy matter to "pitch" it and so perhaps dropping off a bridge, but only if I was certain to be unnoticed.

The fear of being seen in an unfamiliar place doing something odd would probably cause me to look for a way to make it look inconspicuous like something other people are doing all the time. I would probably double bag the smallish body in lawn and leaf garbage sacks and just swing it up over the side of a dumpster, like I'm just taking out the day's trash. I might even carry a bag of trash in my trunk for credibility if a friend should see me doing this. <wink>

I would probably use the dumpster I ormally use - either at the apartment complex where I was living (Sutton Place or Sawgrass) or perhaps even setting it out by the curb for trash pickup (Hopespring.) 30 pounds in a bag stuffed with light paper trash (parents' receipts of someone unknown would be good so I could accuse someone else if the remains are found) might not be suspicious to the trash men. I would be certain that absolutely nothing traceable to me was in the bag with the body and would use latex gloves to handle all contents.

I would watch carefully to be certain the trash was taken without incident and then each day that passed, I would feel better and better that the remains would not be found and I would be more and more confident about living my normal life and telling a "kidnapping" story.

Hmmmm. Somewhere along the line here, I got distracted and started going to what I think Casey might've done. I know that wasn't the question but this was hard for me to think about . Sorry.

Good post :clap::clap:

In that scenario (being about the size of KC) I would use a large duffel bag. Maybe even one with wheels. You can get those for less than thirty bucks and Caylee would have fit in it just fine. After the rigor passed, you could even use a smaller one like a large backpack.

[okok]

"Where would you put a dead body?"

Here!

http://www.parkwayreststop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/Alligator%20mouth.jpg


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b253/mware/0412070922_M_041207_croc-1.jpg

[mommyto5monkeys]

Just thought of one that goes one better, in a very morbid sense of "better."
I have a unidentified child from my files, her parents (presumably) wrapped her in a baby blanket, then wrapped her in plastic sheets, placed her inside a suitcase, wrapped the suitcase entirely in duct tape, opened up the back of a large console TV, cleared out all the wires and tubes that were in the way, put the suitcase in the TV, screwed the back of the TV on and took it to the dump themselves.
If some random person hadn't decided to go hunting for metal in the dump and kicked the back of the TV, causing the suitcase to fall out the body never would have been found.

Sick, they obviously put a lot of thought into that!

[concentric]

"Where would you put a dead body?"

Here!

http://www.parkwayreststop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/Alligator%20mouth.jpg


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b253/mware/0412070922_M_041207_croc-1.jpg


Wouldn't there be the fear that some remnant may surface though?

[TopGunner]

I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if I'm duplicating anyone else' post. Personally I don't think KC is all too brillant. I'm of the belief that Caylee is right under everyone's nose. Maybe it's so obvious, it's being totally overlooked.

My 2 humble cents.:)

[not_my_kids]

Sick, they obviously put a lot of thought into that!

I know, usually I can cover about 5 cases a day, searching all the sites and newspaper articles to get all the info I can on Does. I hit a case like the little girl in the TV and I have to stop for the day and just go play with my kids.

However, I don't Casey put quite that much thought into what to do with Caylee. Maybe some, but definitely not that much.

[txsvicki]

I'd never be disposing of a dead body, but I've watched way too much crime tv and read too many crime forums to use water or dumpsters. I'd be very afraid to throw even a weighted body in water due to gases causing it to rise a few months later. There'd be worry of a body part or bone being left and discovered even if partially eaten by an animal or alligator. Also, I'd be afraid to put a body into a dumpster, especially one with decomp smell. I'd worry that someone would discover the body or spot whatever container the body might be inside and decide they wanted it or to snoop. I believe I would put a body in a sealed leakproof container ( such as a cooler or poolbox) with lime and bury under something where people wouldn't want to wander in, land wouldn't develop and build there, and where I could get to without tearing up my vehicle or leaving evidence on it. I can't help but think that Cindy and George might possibly have smelled decomp in the yard before the pavers were ever put in, and that might be when they looked under the playhouse. Maybe it was when Casey moved the body, if she really did move the body.

[Charge Them All]

I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if I'm duplicating anyone else' post. Personally I don't think KC is all too brillant. I'm of the belief that Caylee is right under everyone's nose. Maybe it's so obvious, it's being totally overlooked.

My 2 humble cents.:)


I posted the same thing a couple pages back. I really think that if Casey buried her, she is not far away. Casey would want her somewhere close so she could keep an eye on her body. Casey isn't as smart as she thinks, but she's not at stupid as we think. She will be charged eventually, but has made it this far.

[Jadestar]

A remote area with animals.

I read last night about new searches south of the airport. Two summers ago my family and I vacationed for 10 days in Orlando and stayed a few miles south of the airport. We rented a car and spent alot of time out and about in the area we were staying. The area is, of course, well populated, but in between the neighborhoods (mostly those gated, planned out kind) were lots of large areas with thick brush and tall trees. As you get closer to the airport, there are alot of little windy backroads and one strange area I remember in particular because there were these strange little rolling hills and it looked like in the valleys of the hills were little swamps. :confused:

[TopGunner]

I posted the same thing a couple pages back. I really think that if Casey buried her, she is not far away. Casey would want her somewhere close so she could keep an eye on her body. Casey isn't as smart as she thinks, but she's not at stupid as we think. She will be charged eventually, but has made it this far.


Whoops, sorry CHA! I don't think KC is necessarily stupid, but like Scott Peterson, I do believe that she believes she can snow everyone, which automatically puts her at a disadvantage. In fact, I believe it was Scott's arrogance that ultimately got him convicted. He did so MANY stupid things, believing others were stupid.

I mean, "I wanted to get the boat wet", remember that?!

Anyhow, my gut says Caylee is close, there was nothing elaborate.

[TheLoneRanger]

I don't think Casey did. because she didn't even keep Caylee's favorite doll with the child's body. she certainly didn't keep it for sentimental reasons.

Hi Linda :)
I agree with what you said there... but in a way I think that part is so warped.... even little JML was buried with her little toy stuffed dolphin by the complete stranger who killed her... [she was found right by the house of course] but so many people came out to help look for her, including us, ALL that time that went by - and she was right there.... it was so unbelievably sad :(

[Baznme]

While travelling the Beachline (528) back and forth between Orlando and I-95 to participate in the searches, every trip back east I noticed a little side road that is accessible from the beachline. Anyone driving that road could easily slip down that road and what I can see is mostly pasture and some patches of trees. I've thought more than once that she may have chosen that road, why not. It's secluded, easy to get to and about 10 to 15 miles from the toll booth at Narcoosee Rd. I've tried to look at the entire road on Google earth but can't find it that way. In looking at the cell phone pings matching up to her route between the 21st and 22nd, if you do a bird's eye view of those routes, there are many many places that look secluded but not quite enough. I got the feeling from following the roads that she was looking for a secluded place. I would think that she would want to choose where no cars or people are around at all. That side road would be it.

The only other place I can venture a guess on is where she used to go to the beach with Caylee. Searchers would have to speak the girl that used to go to the beach with them to find the spot. I believe the girl in in the pictures on that thread.

[AZRiverRat]

We buried our beautiful Rottweiler in our backyard.

The more we see of kc's personality and lack of emotion, Im thinking she dumped her in gator infested waters. As a mother, I am horrified at the thought of this, but this would be a way to dispose of her body and never have it found. With forensic science being so advanced, it would be very difficult to hide a body and not have it found nowadays.

[Crafter]

When my daughter passed away, I let the funeral prepare her....but, let me say that when one of my pets die (I'm a crazy cat lady) it can be traumatizing. I freak out. My husband handles the burial, usually in the woods around our house. But a body? Maybe in an abandon well on some old property.

[pb6656]

I've never thought about where I would put a dead body, but I had a really weird dream once that my husband was dead in the car at the ATM. I remember wondering if my mother did it and what I should do with him. I discovered him accidentally because I pulled up behind him. I decided to leave him there and then had to go back because I remembered they had security cameras. Then I wondered what would would happen when they saw on the security tape that I had left and come back. Then I wondered if they would even look at the security tapes if I just removed the body. Then I figured it would be just my luck that someone would come along and try to break into the ATM machine after I removed the body and they would find out anyway. I remember being mad at my mother for causing me so much trouble.

I have no idea what I ate that night.

[Baznme]

I've never thought about where I would put a dead body, but I had a really weird dream once that my husband was dead in the car at the ATM. I remember wondering if my mother did it and what I should do with him. I discovered him accidentally because I pulled up behind him. I decided to leave him there and then had to go back because I remembered they had security cameras. Then I wondered what would would happen when they saw on the security tape that I had left and come back. Then I wondered if they would even look at the security tapes if I just removed the body. Then I figured it would be just my luck that someone would come along and try to break into the ATM machine after I removed the body and they would find out anyway. I remember being mad at my mother for causing me so much trouble.

I have no idea what I ate that night.



That gave me a chuckle!!! Which is healthy once in while going through these posts.

[kiki the parrot]

I'm not sure what became of Caylee's body after she was placed in the trunk but I do suspect a container of some sort would've been needed to transport her even that far presumably from pool or backyard, without detection. And I've always thought (don't ask me why) that some type of plastic storage container (such as the larger one I believe shown later in photos, but smaller) must have been needed. Or possibly duffel, whatever it was though I just keep getting the feeling that this item, along with other conspicuously absent items, would before long have been MISSED by CA and GA. And, were they really interested in aiding LE or finding Caylee, reported by now as missing.

Baznme (or anybody) can you please tell me where I can find the ping/cell tower map?

[kiki the parrot]

But if I WERE trying to dispose of a body... I sure wouldn't attract undue attention or risk detection by parking on median (maybe they meant "shoulder," but it was reported as parked on "median.") The witness who reported (in Sept.) having seen woman coming out of the woods (in June) driving a car matching Pontiac's description may be legit... but a dump-and-dash while illegally parked sounds ridiculously risky to me, even if all she was doing was returning to check on the body. JMHO

[TURBOTHINK]

"Where would you put a dead body?"

Here!

http://www.parkwayreststop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/Alligator%20mouth.jpg


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b253/mware/0412070922_M_041207_croc-1.jpg

OMG...........where did you get that picture of a gator with a real arm in it's mouth?

[mommyto5monkeys]

A man here in MN recently murdered his girlfriend and mother of his 4 year old daughter. He put her body in a street along with her motorcycle to try and make it look like she was killed in an accident. He got caught right away.

[TURBOTHINK]

I'd never be disposing of a dead body, but I've watched way too much crime tv and read too many crime forums to use water or dumpsters. I'd be very afraid to throw even a weighted body in water due to gases causing it to rise a few months later. There'd be worry of a body part or bone being left and discovered even if partially eaten by an animal or alligator. Also, I'd be afraid to put a body into a dumpster, especially one with decomp smell. I'd worry that someone would discover the body or spot whatever container the body might be inside and decide they wanted it or to snoop. I believe I would put a body in a sealed leakproof container ( such as a cooler or poolbox) with lime and bury under something where people wouldn't want to wander in, land wouldn't develop and build there, and where I could get to without tearing up my vehicle or leaving evidence on it. I can't help but think that Cindy and George might possibly have smelled decomp in the yard before the pavers were ever put in, and that might be when they looked under the playhouse. Maybe it was when Casey moved the body, if she really did move the body.

You can overcome the gasses ........just gut it first - like a deer.

[TURBOTHINK]

A man here in MN recently murdered his girlfriend and mother of his 4 year old daughter. He put her body in a street along with her motorcycle to try and make it look like she was killed in an accident. He got caught right away.

Like an idiot here who killed a woman and to keep from being seen leaving he went out the air conditioner vents but got stuck and then called 911 to get him out..............duhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[yolorado]

In the ground in a coffin after a service with a minister. If I ever tried to hide a body, I'd get caught right away.

[Alcestic]

I don't believe KC acted alone in disposing of the body. She was intending to bury it on June 18th but the job was not as easy as she thought:
- hottest/most humid time of the day 1:30-2:30 pm
- borrowed a shovel for less than one hour; you need MORE than one hour to dig a good size hole
- KC is the type of person who does no hard physical labor; has no experience doing gardening; this is not her "thing" etc.
- petite build; she is just too much of a "girly" "party" type of girl accustomed to having others to things for her. I have a hard time picturing her going into swampy, alligators, mosquito infested areas. She could not handle a disposal on her own.


IMO She ended up carrying Caylee around in the trunk for days wandering and driving around many areas looking for a spot; then came up with the idea to put the vehicle on fire (gas cans stolen). This did NOT work out because GA found Caylee in the trunk along with the gas cans - my theory is that when GA came upon the gas cans in the trunk he also found the body there. I don't believe for a minute that he is truthful about what he saw!

Now we would need to think like him, there is not much time to think/act at this point. What would he do? where would be the BEST place to hide the body in a quick manner while at the same time give Caylee "proper burial"?

Simplest solution - the back of the house!! You put the body in a sealed container, make a hole deep enough that cadaver dogs would not be able to sniff (I have read that they cannot smell below 4 feet). Then you put pavers or a shed on top of the burial site "sealing the area". Then you think of something to throw off investigators (abandon car next to a dumpster -throwing off LE to look for the body in a landfill).

IMO GA's whereabouts and statements need to be looked a little closer...

I totally agree with this theory as being the most likely. Considering that Casey said "She is close to home" Considering that George has inconsistencies in statements about the trunk/gas can and the nudge Cindy gave him about it. Hmmm...and what about the statement he made about the body not being his grand daughter. It's like when I went to my friend's visiation and say still to this date that the dead guy in the casket was not my friend. I don't know who it was but it certainly wasn't him. It makes perfect since to me. And seeing how George was former LE he could easily plan this out to protect Casey. I also like the theory that she was planning to take off. The fight happens and she kills Caylee once she is in California it's a little bit harder to pursue custody escpecially if you can't contact your daughter to find your grand daughter. No one would be much the wiser.

The combo of these theories almost make me less obsessed with this case as if we already solved it here. I don't see how ANYONE could think this little girl is alive. If she was there wouldn't be all this other evidence. It's crazy but yeah....Caylee is in the backyard and thats why she is so smug about the whole thing.

Remember Sometimes the MOSt obvious is the LEAST obvious. "She's close to home" Obviously she knows where she is and knows she is a liar and so what does a liar do when they want to throw people off....um...tell the truth. And she knows that this statement will be overlooked because of ALL the other lies...The body is in the backyard. Guaranteed. IMO

[California Dreamer]

But if I WERE trying to dispose of a body... I sure wouldn't attract undue attention or risk detection by parking on median (maybe they meant "shoulder," but it was reported as parked on "median.") The witness who reported (in Sept.) having seen woman coming out of the woods (in June) driving a car matching Pontiac's description may be legit... but a dump-and-dash while illegally parked sounds ridiculously risky to me, even if all she was doing was returning to check on the body. JMHO

It's obviously not the same, but one time I moved to a new home and needed to dump some junk and the easiest way for me to get rid of it was to dump it in the dumpster behind Pier One Imports, which is illegal (but in no way comparable to disposing of a body). I remember doing a dump and dash with my car running, so it's possible I'd do the same with a body.

[TheLoneRanger]

I've never thought about where I would put a dead body, but I had a really weird dream once that my husband was dead in the car at the ATM. I remember wondering if my mother did it and what I should do with him. I discovered him accidentally because I pulled up behind him. I decided to leave him there and then had to go back because I remembered they had security cameras. Then I wondered what would would happen when they saw on the security tape that I had left and come back. Then I wondered if they would even look at the security tapes if I just removed the body. Then I figured it would be just my luck that someone would come along and try to break into the ATM machine after I removed the body and they would find out anyway. I remember being mad at my mother for causing me so much trouble.

I have no idea what I ate that night.


ROFLMAO
sorry - thanks - I needed that laugh :crazy:

[AZRiverRat]

I've never gotten that part either. Since she knew what she would have needed to do to cover it up, it's almost like she wanted to be caught.

I think she planned on making it look like she was carjacked and kidnapped. She was cashing checks, stealing money during that last 2 weeks. All her friends said they hardly saw her after she hooked up with TL. I dont think CA knew she was staying at TL's until she talked to AH that day.
TonE told her he may be moving to NY, so maybe she planned on tagging along. She was also lining up that Marine in CA. (backup plan?).

She just never planned on getting busted by AH and being confronted at TL's house that day. She was probably hoping those checks wouldnt clear until she had the chance to skip town.

She parked the car in a conspicuous spot. Her mom even said kc wouldnt be stupid enough to abandon the car where CA would see it on the way to work every day.

[unsaid]

Seems like in the movies and on tv, people always think burning a body effective. That's probably what I'd try to do just being a common non-murdering person who watches too much tv at times.

At first, with all the gas can talk, I thought that's what Casey may have done.

[vickiev]

I just couldn't imagine! I would get caught because I would have no clue!!!

[lobo34]

Still new to the case, but I have a question.

Do we know (or speculate) how long Sweet Caylee's body could have possibly been in the trunk before being moved?

IMHO, she could have been put in the trunk long enough for the (sorry to be graphic here) decomp to have started, along with the passing of bodily fluids being expelled, and then moved elswhere.

Again, JMHO

J

[Mrs. Peel]

I just couldn't imagine! I would get caught because I would have no clue!!!


Yeah, that getting caught would be bad. Alligators.

[aksleuth]

Originally Posted by servingothers:
No, Casey did not plan this. She acted in haste. Either it was an accident or she decided to do this on the spur of the moment. She may have been thinking and researching about this for a while but she did the deed spur of the moment.

I think she did plan it, she just did not research the decomp process. She's not as smart as she thought she was.


I'm with you, want2help. This gal planned it, she just didn't realize what she'd have to deal with, including having to borrow a shovel. I think after she had Caylee in the trunk, she thought she could keep her there indefinitely until she made up her mind what to do with her. :furious: She may not have realized how difficult it would be to dispose of a little girl. She had the the murder planned but not all the particulars for afterwards.


If I had to dispose of someone, I'm thinking I would dispose of the person in various places - one piece here, another there, other parts elsewhere. Oh, wait a minute, that's how I thought of doing away with my husband many times. :woohoo:

How about the Alfred Hitchcock TV episode where the killer chopped up the person (his wife?) and served her to dinner guests?

Seriously, I'd have to go with the swamp and the alligators. We have lots of swamps around here, so it's the most logical. Whatever.:rolleyes:

OR, best of all, I'd put the body in an old, ignored cemetery, one without regular maintenance and weeds growing all around. Yep, I'd put that body in there with someone else and then I'd replace the weeds.

[aksleuth]

I think Caylee is near where ever it was that KC last saw Zanieda. Not at Sawgrass. I think KC followed Zanny when she left Sawgrass, maybe even for a day or so. I'm thinking maybe Zanieda took her younger girls to a park or somewhere to play and KC saw her and where ever that is, that is where Caylee is.

That or Caylee is where ever KC left or threw away the remainder of her Xanex.

KC keeps saying Zanny is the last person she saw Caylee with, only KC says it funny. I'll have to go get a quote, but she doesn't just say "I left her with Zanny" she says something like "that is the last person I saw my daughter with." I just think it is odd how she spins the words together. Because of that, I think there is an element of truth to the story.

I'm thinking KC, in a bit of shock over what she had done, watched Zaniada with her children and fantisized that Caylee was playing with them, and where ever that was, that is where she left Caylee.

I know Zaniada has nothing to do with this, but it would be nice to know what she was doing on June 16, 17, 18 and maybe the 19th.

Salem


Very interesting thoughts. So you're thinking Zenaida's activities with her children may be the key? You might be right. Casey could have gone to that place later and dumped the child's body. :waitasec: It's a thought.

Or Casey went to a park, saw a person who looked like Zenaida, and fantasized about her daughter being with Z and her kids. Good thoughts. Although, in the beginning, Casey swore Z had no children.

[Baznme]

Still new to the case, but I have a question.

Do we know (or speculate) how long Sweet Caylee's body could have possibly been in the trunk before being moved?

IMHO, she could have been put in the trunk long enough for the (sorry to be graphic here) decomp to have started, along with the passing of bodily fluids being expelled, and then moved elswhere.

Again, JMHO

J

Yes, LOBO, that is the general consensus. Any thoughts as to where she might have moved her to?

[Baznme]

I think Caylee is near where ever it was that KC last saw Zanieda. Not at Sawgrass. I think KC followed Zanny when she left Sawgrass, maybe even for a day or so. I'm thinking maybe Zanieda took her younger girls to a park or somewhere to play and KC saw her and where ever that is, that is where Caylee is.

That or Caylee is where ever KC left or threw away the remainder of her Xanex.

KC keeps saying Zanny is the last person she saw Caylee with, only KC says it funny. I'll have to go get a quote, but she doesn't just say "I left her with Zanny" she says something like "that is the last person I saw my daughter with." I just think it is odd how she spins the words together. Because of that, I think there is an element of truth to the story.

I'm thinking KC, in a bit of shock over what she had done, watched Zaniada with her children and fantisized that Caylee was playing with them, and where ever that was, that is where she left Caylee.

I know Zaniada has nothing to do with this, but it would be nice to know what she was doing on June 16, 17, 18 and maybe the 19th.

Salem

Salem, I have run that KC statement over and over in my head also. In her last conversation with LE, (at Universal, where she DIDN'T work) she said over and over that Z was the last person I saw my daughter with. It didn't make sense to me although it continued to be a statement that didn't ring right. Your theory is interesting and given the runaround KC has put everyone through, it's possible. KC surely must have watched and followed Z to know where she went. Maybe LE should talk again with Z and try to backtrack some of her activities during the appropriate timeframe.

Good sleuthing!

[Can't Sleep]

I think Caylee is near where ever it was that KC last saw Zanieda. Not at Sawgrass. I think KC followed Zanny when she left Sawgrass, maybe even for a day or so. I'm thinking maybe Zanieda took her younger girls to a park or somewhere to play and KC saw her and where ever that is, that is where Caylee is.

That or Caylee is where ever KC left or threw away the remainder of her Xanex.

KC keeps saying Zanny is the last person she saw Caylee with, only KC says it funny. I'll have to go get a quote, but she doesn't just say "I left her with Zanny" she says something like "that is the last person I saw my daughter with." I just think it is odd how she spins the words together. Because of that, I think there is an element of truth to the story.

I'm thinking KC, in a bit of shock over what she had done, watched Zaniada with her children and fantisized that Caylee was playing with them, and where ever that was, that is where she left Caylee.

I know Zaniada has nothing to do with this, but it would be nice to know what she was doing on June 16, 17, 18 and maybe the 19th.

Salem

I have the same feeling about this KC statement and a few others as well. Something about the syntax or the enunciation was weird. "Zanny was the last person I saw with my daughter."

If I was ZG I would be creeped out - BIG TIME.

I think I would be looking at cemeteries to see if there are any dead ZGs. Maybe Casey planted her daughter near such a gravestone and chose it because it's a hard name to forget and easy to look up. Heck...I just don't know but Casey's whole description of the "Sawgrass incident" was very strange.

She insisted that she "dropped her off on the steps." Not, "I waited for Zanny to come out and then I let Caylee climb the stairs by herself." Or, "Zanny was sitting on the steps when I got there and Caylee ran to her while I got Caylee's things out of the car..." Just, "I dropped her off on the steps at that apartment."

And of course the "last person I saw my daughter with" statement. She never deviated from this in that interview and said it repeatedly. It seems like such a good liar would've been able to say something more like, "I waved to Caylee just before Zanny closed the door and that was the last time I saw Caylee." Or, "Zanny was headed out to the grocery store so I strapped Caylee in the car seat Zanny uses and watched as they left."

You are not alone, Salem. I agree that was weird.

[2goldfish]

In the ground in a coffin after a service with a minister. If I ever tried to hide a body, I'd get caught right away.


yeah, me too :(

These people astound me ... because if it was me (which it would never be) I would be caught immediately. I wouldnt even have time to put the gun (or whatever) down before I got the bracelets and the miranda. How they are managing to get away with it, I dont understand.:confused:

[aksleuth]

Can I just repectfully say that you are all twisted and sick individulals? :crazy:

:chicken:


You may say that. We may be sick and twisted, but I would bet the majority of us haven't killed our child, driven around with the body in our trunk, and then made a permanent disposal.

Maybe one or two, but not all of us. :woohoo:

[aksleuth]

They would have NO FEAR of any of the searches and were somewhat cooperative UNTIL TES was going to do a search again in their yard. Then all of a sudden they disliked TES and they limed their yard.


Did TES really want to dig up their back yard? Who balked? Cindy? Goerge? Lee?

I missed that! :eek:

Now I'll have to rethink my thoughts of the backyard, and George???? :behindbar:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

Will we need four cells for this family? Five if we throw in Baez. :waitasec:

[bam]

Salem and Can't sleep, I agree with you 95%. The other theory is she watched CSI and came up a plan of disposal. I woke up to one show in particular where victims were thrown in the sewer.
I have the same feeling about this KC statement and a few others as well. Something about the syntax or the enunciation was weird. "Zanny was the last person I saw with my daughter."

If I was ZG I would be creeped out - BIG TIME.

I think I would be looking at cemeteries to see if there are any dead ZGs. Maybe Casey planted her daughter near such a gravestone and chose it because it's a hard name to forget and easy to look up. Heck...I just don't know but Casey's whole description of the "Sawgrass incident" was very strange.

She insisted that she "dropped her off on the steps." Not, "I waited for Zanny to come out and then I let Caylee climb the stairs by herself." Or, "Zanny was sitting on the steps when I got there and Caylee ran to her while I got Caylee's things out of the car..." Just, "I dropped her off on the steps at that apartment."

And of course the "last person I saw my daughter with" statement. She never deviated from this in that interview and said it repeatedly. It seems like such a good liar would've been able to say something more like, "I waved to Caylee just before Zanny closed the door and that was the last time I saw Caylee." Or, "Zanny was headed out to the grocery store so I strapped Caylee in the car seat Zanny uses and watched as they left."

You are not alone, Salem. I agree that was weird.

[bam]

I just thought of another possibility. What about disposal at a State Park in a Pit toilet?

[Elley Mae]

circumstances? If? If? If? If I found a dead body I sure as He!! would not touch it or get close to it, and would immediately call the police. I once was asked by a female friend, who was considering buying a hand gun for home protection if I would be able to shot an intruder that threatened my life. I told her that I would not have a problem shooting someone that threatened my life but I would have a problem burying that person. The state I live in has the attitude that you should flee and not defend yourself, so I would probably not call the police. I live in an area that hearing a gun shot hear and there is a part of life. And hearing one gun shot with out paying attention it's hard to tell what direction it came from. So if I had to get rid of a dead body I would bury it.

[aksleuth]

We've been thinking along the lines of Caylee being near Zenaida, could she be near a dead Zenaida Gonzalez in or near a cemetery? I just did a search for deceased ZGs in Florida and found TEN of them, plus a lot more living ZGs. The 10 dead ones lived in the Miami-Dade, Ft. Lauderdale, Manatee County, Tampa, and Kissimmee areas. Wouldn't Kissimmee be considered "local" as far as the cell phone pings are concerned?

Florida is loaded with living people named Zenaida Gonzalez. I also found live ones in Texas, California, New Jersey, and other states!

I also considered she planned to burn the body but I have no idea if the gas cans still had gas in them when she gave them back to George. Possibly she was planning to burn the car because of the stench and hadn't had a chance, or thought of burning it with Caylee inside.

At first I thought disposal in the swamp would be good, but like others said, that's a messy trek with a stinking, dripping body in tow. I can't believe I said that about that baby! :eek:

I'm now thinking the backyard, maybe wooded areas near the house, a swampy park, or an unattended cemetery. It would have to be a place easily accessible at night without too much work involved. "She's close" and "She's with Zenaida" could be clues, I agree.

[Baznme]

We've been thinking along the lines of Caylee being near Zenaida, could she be near a dead Zenaida Gonzalez in or near a cemetery? I just did a search for deceased ZGs in Florida and found TEN of them, plus a lot more living ZGs. The 10 dead ones lived in the Miami-Dade, Ft. Lauderdale, Manatee County, Tampa, and Kissimmee areas. Wouldn't Kissimmee be considered "local" as far as the cell phone pings are concerned?

Florida is loaded with living people named Zenaida Gonzalez. I also found live ones in Texas, California, New Jersey, and other states!

I also considered she planned to burn the body but I have no idea if the gas cans still had gas in them when she gave them back to George. Possibly she was planning to burn the car because of the stench and hadn't had a chance, or thought of burning it with Caylee inside.

At first I thought disposal in the swamp would be good, but like others said, that's a messy trek with a stinking, dripping body in tow. I can't believe I said that about that baby! :eek:

I'm now thinking the backyard, maybe wooded areas near the house, a swampy park, or an unattended cemetery. It would have to be a place easily accessible at night without too much work involved. "She's close" and "She's with Zenaida" could be clues, I agree.

I live in Brevard County, the neighboring county to Orange County. The beachline is the frequented highway between I-95 and Orlando. It's not that unusual to find a body here and there just off the road, it was even called the superhighway of bodies corridor at one point. There are still so many stretches of land that are unpopulated it seems it's an easy way to get rid of a body. I'm not saying they find dozens but enough that it makes you take notice. If this person that saw a car that looked like KC's parked in the median and THEN saw someone coming out of the treeline from the side of the highway, that would lend some credence to a bigger possibility of finding anything. I know when TES gets here, they will go over the search areas with a fine toothed comb. It's amazing how they do their work. They leave no stone unturned. If she's there, she'll be found.

[lobo34]

Yes, LOBO, that is the general consensus. Any thoughts as to where she might have moved her to?


Sorry, I was up late, and just woke up ;)

I'm still trying to figure out *where* she might have moved Caylee too. As I said, I'm new to the case, and I'm trying to read up on everything!!! I have my ideas, but I want to wake up completely before I even theorize!!

J

[mysteriew]

If it were me? I would go with a dumpster behind a restaurant or apartment complex in the dead of night.

IMO It could be either near Sawgrass or near ZG's addy at the time. Or could be the motel dumpster. Was Casey trying to plant clues to frame ZG? She gave the name and appeared to have knowlege of ZG's life, the Sawgrass connection, she then parked near a dumpster, said she was near. IMO, she saw ZG at Sawgrass, saw info on her, maybe looked her up on MySpace, paid attention to all the details, but didn't look at her pics too long. Maybe even followed her for a time. She gave details to LE, got most of them right, but when she was shown a pic, she didn't recognize it because when she looked at the pics she had paid attention to the details that were important to her (dress, hairstyles, etc) not the facial features. What was that comment she gave, something about if they had listened to what she "would" have said? ZG will figure heavily into this, and I don't mean that she is knowingly connected. I mean that I think that Casey worked out a scenario that connected ZG to where she left Caylee.

Why not the others? Burning: it would involve an isolated area in the woods, Casey first carrying Caylee to the site, then carrying full gas cans, standing around and watching a fire, and pouring gas on the fire. Too much work.

Alligators: It would involve Casey putting herself near the alligators and an isolated area. I don't think Casey has the nerve to go near the alligators.

Dump in the woods: this one is a strong second possibility.

Dump in water: this is a third possibility. Though I think she might worry about the remains surfacing and would be less likely to do this one. Also, fear of alligators.

Burying: She didn't have the equipment to bury her anywhere but the A home and she wasn't there long enough, plus it would be too much work for her.

[lizzysf]

I can't find the report on evidence obtained from the trunk..but was soil evidence obtained? I think Caylee was in the trunk from the late day 15th after the argument or wee hrs of the 16th...thru the 18th when she borrowed the neighbors shovel and buried her in the backyard at the A's...by herself. George became aware somewhere between the 18th and the 24th when he and Casey moved her body to wherever she is now. I am not sure as to when Cindy became aware of the truth. It would be interesting to see the pings on Georges cell for the 24th!!!

[Pink Panther]

Why not the others?
Dump in water: this is a third possibility. Though I think she might worry about the remains surfacing and would be less likely to do this one. Also, fear of alligators.


Good have used a suitcase with weights in it that was dumped over a bridge? Possible?

[mysteriew]

Good have used a suitcase with weights in it that was dumped over a bridge? Possible?

It depends on how much crime research she has done. It sounds good, but reality is that suitcases filled with gas also raise or float to some extent. They get washed up, or the hinges rust out or burst open from gas pressure. It would take a lot of weight to overcome the gas. There have been a couple of murders in the news recently where the bodies were thrown into water in a suitcase. One was thrown off a bridge where it was washed out into the ocean first, I believe, then washed back to shore. I can't remember the case name but it was a year or so ago.

Also, Casey strikes me as more the duffle bag/backpack type.

[Muzikman]

Alright, was just reading the Music/Video thread about the Modest Mouse video.

And it made me think: Casey was a photo buff supposedly, would she have taken a photo of the place she left Caylee for memories sake?

Yeah, it would be stupid, and she probably would have deleted it July 15 if she did, but maybe she thought she was not going to get caught.

So I looked through her photos that were on her photobucket account, and 2 of them caught my eye - both taken (or added at least) on June 26.

This one is a bridge, looks to me like it might be in Jacksonville or St. Augustine.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ezi42v.jpg

And this one is kind of weird: Is that her in a backyard, or graveyard or something?

http://i33.tinypic.com/308kvmo.jpg

Anyway, food for thought. These were in the Photobucket Filtered folder on the CD I got from the State Attorney. There is also a zipped folder with ALL of her Photobucket pix, I'm off to check that one out....

[dreamerlin]

I really don't think she would have or even could have put her in water. Caylee even at 35-40 lbs. was heavy enough, but then she would have had to add weights to that to sink the body. Not only heavy but awkward.

I truly think she buried her in a wooded area. I own some uncleared land in Florida and anywhere you walk, you're on top of at least two feet of old palm fronds and plant debris. It is not difficult at all to push that aside to shallow-bury something. ......not that i ever have!!!!! :shocked2:

[Pink Panther]

It depends on how much crime research she has done. It sounds good, but reality is that suitcases filled with gas also raise or float to some extent. They get washed up, or the hinges rust out or burst open from gas pressure. It would take a lot of weight to overcome the gas. There have been a couple of murders in the news recently where the bodies were thrown into water in a suitcase. One was thrown off a bridge where it was washed out into the ocean first, I believe, then washed back to shore. I can't remember the case name but it was a year or so ago.

Also, Casey strikes me as more the duffle bag/backpack type.
Duffle bag or suitcase - Either solution would have allowed her to toss over a bridge. That was my only point. I have never heard of this gas business (see, I wouldn't be good at this!) but she could have left either the suitcase or duffle bag slightly open so that alligators would be attracted to the contents...

[Muzikman]

I really don't think she would have or even could have put her in water. Caylee even at 35-40 lbs. was heavy enough, but then she would have had to add weights to that to sink the body. Not only heavy but awkward.

I truly think she buried her in a wooded area. I own some uncleared land in Florida and anywhere you walk, you're on top of at least two feet of old palm fronds and plant debris. It is not difficult at all to push that aside to shallow-bury something. ......not that i ever have!!!!! :shocked2:

Stats from LE / FBI say that 70-80% (don't remember exact number) of women that kill their children put them in water.

Don't know why exactly, but they apparently have stats on this, one of the reasons bodies of water have been on the search list.

[suzet]

Alright, was just reading the Music/Video thread about the Modest Mouse video.

And it made me think: Casey was a photo buff supposedly, would she have taken a photo of the place she left Caylee for memories sake?

Yeah, it would be stupid, and she probably would have deleted it July 15 if she did, but maybe she thought she was not going to get caught.

So I looked through her photos that were on her photobucket account, and 2 of them caught my eye - both taken (or added at least) on June 26.

This one is a bridge, looks to me like it might be in Jacksonville or St. Augustine.

And this one is kind of weird: Is that her in a backyard, or graveyard or something?

Anyway, food for thought. These were in the Photobucket Filtered folder on the CD I got from the State Attorney. There is also a zipped folder with ALL of her Photobucket pix, I'm off to check that one out....

*photos omitted for space*
Thanks for sharing these! The dates when photos were added are very interesting. I lightened up the garden photo and it almost looks like someone is standing next to her.

[dreamerlin]

Stats from LE / FBI say that 70-80% (don't remember exact number) of women that kill their children put them in water.

Don't know why exactly, but they apparently have stats on this, one of the reasons bodies of water have been on the search list.

Interesting. I couldn't see myself putting my child underwater. It doesn't seem like a comforting place. Which is probably why I could never do such harm to my child in the first place!!! This is all so difficult to understand - how someone could do such a thing.

[Muzikman]

*photos omitted for space*
Thanks for sharing these! The dates when photos were added are very interesting. I lightened up the garden photo and it almost looks like someone is standing next to her.

How did you lighten it up? I does look like someone is standing behind her a little bit.

Is it possible to remove the "LOVE" and see it it is her or somebody else? Is it a Photoshop layer?

Yeah, I think the dates are one of the reasons they are most interesting.

[not_my_kids]

Interesting. I couldn't see myself putting my child underwater. It doesn't seem like a comforting place. Which is probably why I could never do such harm to my child in the first place!!! This is all so difficult to understand - how someone could do such a thing.

From what I have heard, women who place their dead kids in water is usually a subconcious decision to return them to a womblike condition. Water: amniotic fluid...get the idea?
Don't know, that part could be bunk, but just thought I would throw it out there.

[Pink Panther]

How did you lighten it up? I does look like someone is standing behind her a little bit.

Is it possible to remove the "LOVE" and see it it is her or somebody else? Is it a Photoshop layer?

Yeah, I think the dates are one of the reasons they are most interesting.

Muzikman - It would be great to see more of these images! Can you PLEASE start a thread on this!!! Do you think you can post some of them there so that we can discuss them???

I don't want to take this thread off topic...but there are many images from her photobucket which are interesting! Here's another one I would like to know more about:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l270/pink-panther01/fairy.jpg

[Dog-ma1]

Has anyone thought about a beach, since she told so many people that Caylee was "at the beach with the nanny"?:confused:

[suzet]

How did you lighten it up? I does look like someone is standing behind her a little bit.

Is it possible to remove the "LOVE" and see it it is her or somebody else? Is it a Photoshop layer?

Yeah, I think the dates are one of the reasons they are most interesting.

I lightened up the photo using my old EZ photo program (and I'm talking OLD, lol). With my limited photo skills, I am unable to remove the LOVE.

About your bridge... I think it's the Queensboro Bridge in New York. I hunted all over google til I found it. :)

[suzet]

Has anyone thought about a beach, since she told so many people that Caylee was "at the beach with the nanny"?:confused:

KC did make a reference to Cocoa Beach at one time.

[Muzikman]

Muzikman - It would be great to see more of these images! Can you PLEASE start a thread on this!!! Do you think you can post some of them there so that we can discuss them???

I don't want to take this thread off topic...but there are many images from her photobucket which are interesting! Here's another one I would like to know more about:


>Snipped for space<

I thought about it for those 2, but they really seemed to fit in this thread. I'm not sure they warrant their own thread. Opinions?

Kind of odd thing about the Garden pic: There are 4 copies of it, the original (4:51 PM, 6/26) and then 3 modifications (4:53 PM, 8:20 PM, 9:43 PM, all on 6/26).
They all seem the same - LOVE over the pic - but sized slightly differently.

Is her Photobucket still up and accessible? Would like to see which camera these came from, if it shows it.

[Pink Panther]

I lightened up the photo using my old EZ photo program (and I'm talking OLD, lol). With my limited photo skills, I am unable to remove the LOVE.

About your bridge... I think it's the Queensboro Bridge in New York. I hunted all over google til I found it. :)
Maybe she was using that one for a myspace or other post to AL then...Given that he was going to NY on the 30th...

[Muzikman]

About your bridge... I think it's the Queensboro Bridge in New York. I hunted all over google til I found it. :)

Did you really find it? Wow! That's impressive. Lotta Work!

Do you have a link? I'd like to compare.

[Dog-ma1]

>Snipped for space<

I thought about it for those 2, but they really seemed to fit in this thread. I'm not sure they warrant their own thread. Opinions?

Kind of odd thing about the Garden pic: There are 4 copies of it, the original (4:51 PM, 6/26) and then 3 modifications (4:53 PM, 8:20 PM, 9:43 PM, all on 6/26).
They all seem the same - LOVE over the pic - but sized slightly differently.

Is her Photobucket still up and accessible? Would like to see which camera these came from, if it shows it.

My daughter is a photographer, you can get this effect using a light source and very slo exposure, it might not be photoshopped,I'm not sure if KC would have the knowledge to do this without help.

[suzet]

Did you really find it? Wow! That's impressive. Lotta Work!

Do you have a link? I'd like to compare.

http://tinyurl.com/4gwk7a
http://tinyurl.com/48onp5
Here ya go. You can google Queensboro Bridge images and see lots more.

[jandkmom]

I get squeamish cleaning up a dead bug....don't think I could move a dead body at all.

[Muzikman]

http://tinyurl.com/48onp5
Here ya go. You can google Queensboro Bridge images and see lots more.

Cool, thanks. I don't think it is Queensboro now - although the bridge itself looks similar, the background as drastically different. You don't see all the city buildings in her pic.

One of the reasons I thought it might be Jaxville is because of the power plant in the background. I've driven over a bridge up there that seems very similar, with a power plant - I'll search to see if I can find it.

[suzet]

Cool, thanks. I don't think it is Queensboro now - although the bridge itself looks similar, the background as drastically different. You don't see all the city buildings in her pic.

One of the reasons I thought it might be Jaxville is because of the power plant in the background.

I added another photo link to my previous post. Here it is. Check it out. It's the Queensboro Bridge for sure. Her photo was taken at a different angle so you didn't see the buildings.

http://tinyurl.com/4gwk7a

[Muzikman]

I added another link to my previous post. Here it is. Check it out. It's the Queensboro Bridge.

http://tinyurl.com/4gwk7a

You are correct! The ones I looked at must have been the opposite angle.

Great work! Eliminates that photo as a possibility.

[suzet]

Maybe she was using that one for a myspace or other post to AL then...Given that he was going to NY on the 30th...

That makes a lot of sense! :)

[Muzikman]

Muzikman - It would be great to see more of these images! Can you PLEASE start a thread on this!!! Do you think you can post some of them there so that we can discuss them???

I don't want to take this thread off topic...but there are many images from her photobucket which are interesting! Here's another one I would like to know more about:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l270/pink-panther01/fairy.jpg

OK, this one was added 1/4/08 at 8:13 AM, 2 versions - 1 normal, 1 tiny.

The more I look at this Photobucket folder, the more I think it could actually help us with our timeline a little - it would show when she was working on her computer, especially when she was modifying pix, as she had a propensity to do. Dates AND times.

Maybe it does deserve it's own thread, or at least added into a Timeline thread. Anybody have an opinion?

[Pink Panther]

OK, this one was added 1/4/08 at 8:13 AM, 2 versions - 1 normal, 1 tiny.

The more I look at this Photobucket folder, the more I think it could actually help us with our timeline a little - it would show when she was working on her computer, especially when she was modifying pix, as she had a propensity to do. Dates AND times.

Maybe it does deserve it's own thread, or at least added into a Timeline thread. Anybody have an opinion?
Is that January 4, 2008 or April 1rst??? When you right click on the image, what name comes up? I'm just wondering because when she had these in photobucket, her names for some of the images would come up. When she'd downloaded from her own camera, the camera info. came up. I'm wondering if the info. that was released is in the original format???

I definitely think that this deserves its own thread!

[Muzikman]

Is that January 4, 2008 or April 1rst??? When you right click on the image, what name comes up? I'm just wondering because when she had these in photobucket, her names for some of the images would come up. When she'd downloaded from her own camera, the camera info. came up. I'm wondering if the info. that was released is in the original format???

I definitely think that this deserves its own thread!

January 4th. One is named Fairy.jpg, the other is th_fairy.jpg -

Asking JBean about where this info belongs - new thread or not - as it can help us with the timeline, would show what she was doing at a particular date and time.

[AlwaysShocked]

What about putting the child's body in a freezer? Is there a freezer in the Anthony garage? There have been several cases in the past year or so of people putting bodies of loved ones in a home freezer.

Another possibility: Wrap and seal child's body in many layers of plastic bags and gray duct tape. Go to Walmart and purchase several different sizes of the larger plastic storage containers that come with a lid that can be tightly placed onto the top of the container. Put body into smallest container possible and seal top. Then put that into next larger container and seal, then next larger container and so on. (I have this type of container in various sizes for storage of items in my garage. I also have a huge one out on my back deck - big enought that an adult could fit into it with legs drawn up and arms folded.)

Next, rent a small "storage spot" at a commercial storage place. Pay for the stoarge spot for one or two years in advance. Place container into storage spot.

[TURBOTHINK]

KC did make a reference to Cocoa Beach at one time.

There is not a bridge like that in Cocoa Beach. That picture of a bridge does look like the St. Johns river, but that bridge is not in Jacksonville. I am wondering about the Titusville area. I don't remember any bridges like that though and I have had a place on Merritt Island for almost 20 years.

[TURBOTHINK]

Alright, was just reading the Music/Video thread about the Modest Mouse video.

And it made me think: Casey was a photo buff supposedly, would she have taken a photo of the place she left Caylee for memories sake?

Yeah, it would be stupid, and she probably would have deleted it July 15 if she did, but maybe she thought she was not going to get caught.

So I looked through her photos that were on her photobucket account, and 2 of them caught my eye - both taken (or added at least) on June 26.

This one is a bridge, looks to me like it might be in Jacksonville or St. Augustine.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ezi42v.jpg

And this one is kind of weird: Is that her in a backyard, or graveyard or something?

http://i33.tinypic.com/308kvmo.jpg

Anyway, food for thought. These were in the Photobucket Filtered folder on the CD I got from the State Attorney. There is also a zipped folder with ALL of her Photobucket pix, I'm off to check that one out....

That bridge in the photograph looks to me like the bridge in NYC going into Manhattan. If I remember correctly there is a plant looking place on the east bank there too. I don't think this has anything to do with where KC went.

[Muzikman]

There is not a bridge like that in Cocoa Beach. That picture of a bridge does look like the St. Johns river, but that bridge is not in Jacksonville. I am wondering about the Titusville area. I don't remember any bridges like that though and I have had a place on Merritt Island for almost 20 years. I am thinking that bridge looks more like the west coast for some reason.

It is DEFINITELY the Queensboro bridge, SuzeT matched the picture with one of QB Bridge. Same power plant and other details in the background.

[Can't Sleep]

It is DEFINITELY the Queensboro bridge, SuzeT matched the picture with one of QB Bridge. Same power plant and other details in the background.

Yes, Queensboro Bridge, aka 59th Street Bridge for any of you Simon & Garfunkel fans.

The photo is actually taken from Roosevelt island which is in the middle of the river, looking back at Queens. Something interesting ( a teency bit interesting) is that the first regular street you come to when you get on Manhattan Island is "Sutton Place." (FDR Dr. is not a regular street - it's like a freeway that goes all along the East side of Manhattan.)

Just made my hair stand up a little bit because TonE lives in Sutton Place. Maybe he sent the photo to Casey as a postcard from Sutton Place...(?)

[Truthwillsetufree]

I will not touch a snake.
I will not touch a mouse.
I will not touch a dead body.
I don't think KC would either, she would leave that dirty work to someone else.

[CASuzk]

Me? I couldn't, but where do I think Casey put her child? In the dumpster.

I'm guess that she was going to dump the car or something but I think she chickened out when she knew the car was starting to smell.
The dumpster provided a place that already smelled and it was unlikey that anyone was going to be messing around in it.

[Insomnia Momma]

Hey! I know that second picture! Thats from a movie. As soon as my husband comes home tomorrow I'll have him tell me which one, he remembers all of that stuff. The word LOVE was photoshopped on it though.

[MD MOMMY]

OK, this one was added 1/4/08 at 8:13 AM, 2 versions - 1 normal, 1 tiny.

The more I look at this Photobucket folder, the more I think it could actually help us with our timeline a little - it would show when she was working on her computer, especially when she was modifying pix, as she had a propensity to do. Dates AND times.

Maybe it does deserve it's own thread, or at least added into a Timeline thread. Anybody have an opinion?

The only place I've seen this photo is from the "unmentioned site" a few months back..are we sure this was uploaded to CASEY'S photobucket? I went all through her photobucket and a bunch of other photo sharing sites of hers,when this all first started before things were being deleted left and right, and I never saw this on her actual photobucket.


ETA...NEVERMIND I JUST READ UP..lol.

[Muzikman]

Hey! I know that second picture! Thats from a movie. As soon as my husband comes home tomorrow I'll have him tell me which one, he remembers all of that stuff. The word LOVE was photoshopped on it though.

Please do, definitely would like to identify any pix like this to rule them out as potential places of interest.

[Crow_Ascending]

I haven't read the entire thread, so if this is already posted, ignore me! If I had to hide a body, I'd dig a 5 ft deep hole in some remote woods and put the body in. I shovel 2-3 ft of dirt on top of the body and then put a large dead dog on top of that dirt. I'd fill in the remaining dirt and try to disguise the digging. Searchers will probably quit after discovering the dog.

[dreamerlin]

I haven't read the entire thread, so if this is already posted, ignore me! If I had to hide a body, I'd dig a 5 ft deep hole in some remote woods and put the body in. I shovel 2-3 ft of dirt on top of the body and then put a large dead dog on top of that dirt. I'd fill in the remaining dirt and try to disguise the digging. Searchers will probably quit after discovering the dog.


Um, okay. (You scare me.) J/K

[Muzikman]

The only place I've seen this photo is from the "unmentioned site" a few months back..are we sure this was uploaded to CASEY'S photobucket? I went all through her photobucket and a bunch of other photo sharing sites of hers,when this all first started before things were being deleted left and right, and I never saw this on her actual photobucket.

This came from the State Attorney's doc dump, and it looks like it was probably subpeonaed from PB. It includes her PB account page - IP address used to originally register, IP address last used, email addy used, and lots of other info including pix that were deleted by her or by PB for TOS violations.

Over 9,000 pix!!!!

[Insomnia Momma]

The only place I've seen this photo is from the "unmentioned site" a few months back..are we sure this was uploaded to CASEY'S photobucket? I went all through her photobucket and a bunch of other photo sharing sites of hers,when this all first started before things were being deleted left and right, and I never saw this on her actual photobucket.


ETA...NEVERMIND I JUST READ UP..lol.

I saw it on the Icons Photobucket which was hers. I'm not sure if I saw a cached version or not but it was there prior to the PB album being deleted, it was on the first page about the third or fourth row down.

[Insomnia Momma]

This came from the State Attorney's doc dump, and it looks like it was probably subpeonaed from PB. It includes her PB account page - IP address used to originally register, IP address last used, email addy used, and lots of other info including pix that were deleted by her or by PB for TOS violations.

Over 9,000 pix!!!!

That is one CD I'd LOVE to have. I had the same thought about her taking a pic of the area but I dismissed it thinking even she couldn't be THAT stupid. :eek:

It makes sense to me that she would. She needed to remember for herself. I'm an amature photographer and my camera is never far from my hands. I have pics of everything. :crazy:

[Bev]

for awhile now and I still think that the most likely place is Jay Blanchard Park. The reason I am thinking this way is the fact that KC told the police that she was there the last day anyone other than KC claims to have seen her, the fact that she told the story to the security guard that this is where she last saw Caylee, (if say, a witness would come forward and say he/she saw her there with Caylee which probably worried her, she would need some kind of alibi) the fact that she said Caylee loved that park, the fact that she told her brother she "was close by" and the fact that she borrowed a shovel from the neighbor and was back in about an hour. The child was in the backyard and then moved to Jay Blanchard Park in one of the wooded areas. Whatever she had been buried in must have leaked all over the trunk. If I was LE I'd go back to Jay Blanchard Park and start all over with a search. I'd look at the landfill where their garbage is dumped, etc.

Just as an aside, we've had two women in our area who left their children, both girls, in the carseats in the car, in summer. Both children died and neither mother was prosecuted. What may have seemed like a good plan to KC when it occurred then became a disaster when she realized she'd have to explain where she was all day while the child was in the car.

Don't you wonder what KC did all day when she had the baby and was pretending to be at work? Kids that age generally still take a nap and can be pretty cranky when they don't get it. Another thing that bugs me is that the backpack for the baby was missing from the car but the doll wasn't. A little white backpack with monkeys on it according to GA - a body may decompose but plastic doesn't.

[Alcestic]

I was talking to my signifigant other about this and I liked some of his ideas although almost scary....lol...

Cut off the head and the hands and go out the remotest part of the woods and leave the body for the coyotes to rip apart. Take the head and hands and put it into a bowling ball bag and weigh it down with cement blocks and throw it into the ocean.

[Muzikman]

Alright, another odd, interesting pic Casey uploaded to PhotoBucket 6/26 @ 8:49 PM - Any locals recognize the graffiti-ed building?

http://i33.tinypic.com/2u7ng2c.jpg

[concentric]

A remote area with animals.

I read last night about new searches south of the airport. Two summers ago my family and I vacationed for 10 days in Orlando and stayed a few miles south of the airport. We rented a car and spent alot of time out and about in the area we were staying. The area is, of course, well populated, but in between the neighborhoods (mostly those gated, planned out kind) were lots of large areas with thick brush and tall trees. As you get closer to the airport, there are alot of little windy backroads and one strange area I remember in particular because there were these strange little rolling hills and it looked like in the valleys of the hills were little swamps. :confused:

Jadestar,

Please take some time to read the Psychic thread, as we are discussing areas such as those you mention.

[passin_through]

http://i33.tinypic.com/308kvmo.jpg
That picture is of interest to me. Though I don't think it's Casey--she has hips but her legs are thinner, imo.

It's a later summer picture and it's a costal/moist area because the bricks have moss all on them. Think the plants are: dwarf purple barberry(low spreading shrub to front right), impatiens in pots(red), japanese maple (green leafy thang) bromide sp? (in pot, not in bloom)the yellow flowers perhaps a musk rose of some sort (they can handle shade and bloom like crazy) gardenia (white flower) not sure of the potted tree, hibiscus perhaps, but leaves are awful small for that.

I think it's an older house (historical, perhaps?) the walkway leads me to believe this. It's not some uber pretty picture, so I don't see why Casey would be interested unless she knew whoever was in the photo.

Is it Amy in PR, what's the date again? Think it looks short for Amy but body build fits her more than Casey. It's costal/moist and the house, at least garden area isn't new...I'm curious. Who is in the photo and where is it?

[concentric]

[QUOTE=Bev;2775358]
Just as an aside, we've had two women in our area who left their children, both girls, in the carseats in the car, in summer. Both children died and neither mother was prosecuted. What may have seemed like a good plan to KC when it occurred then became a disaster when she realized she'd have to explain where she was all day while the child was in the car.

Don't you wonder what KC did all day when she had the baby and was pretending to be at work?

Hi. I listed a case in my area, such as those you mention above.

[passin_through]

If your theory about GA is right, then I would feel more like weeping for him, than jailing him because he is already a broken man. A good man, I think, who adored his grandchild and who managed to keep loving a wife and daughter who are contemptible in every important way. IMO.

I'm starting to think after re-watching Greta a few times and 1st interviews, even without theories...your statement is very accurate.

I had at 1st thought Cindy drug her whole family along, painfully. I now think that yes, she did drag her family along and painfully, but pain for them more so than herself.

She's starting to imerge to me as controling in hurtful ways. Breaking ways. I'm starting to think her daughter was cut from the same cloth as her--blurring the lines of disgust for me.

[oceanblueeyes]

You clever people - where would you put a dead body?

My first thought was to bury it, but then my friend said she would put one down a storm drain found along a street glutter (and I think that is brilliant) which I never would have thought of.

If I had a dead body in the trunk, my first line of business would be getting rid of it in a meticulous fashion. I don't think that was Casey's priority.

Plus, there may be different ways of disposing of a body if it was still in a stage of rigor mortis or in Padilla's words "body stew in a bag."

So, in a brainstorming fashion, where would you put a dead body?

If I had adequate time after the murder I would hide the body in my car and drive to another town at least 30 miles away or even further if time permitted. Then I would find a lake or a wooded area such as a park that had an isolated road and wait and canvas the area to see if anyone goes there. When it was almost dark I would either toss the body weighted down into a lake or waterway or I would bury it in the woods where the dirt is usually softer.

imoo

[Alaska4959]

I had problems even thinking about where I would hide a body but did have one idea I did not see mentioned in this thread: If this area is anywhere near open ocean, are there any crab pots or lobster traps? A small child would fit in one of these and could be dropped overboard almost anywhere. The weight of the pot/trap would be enough to keep it on the bottom and would contain the body until the crab/lobster/fish/ocean currents do what they do best. :no:

[TURBOTHINK]

Someone suggested a number of containers sealed and in a storage facility. That has been done too. Geeshhhhhhhh no original ideas.........

Some Bakersfield residents made a grisly find on August 19th, when they decided to clean out some items from a storage shed they shared with others at Derrel’s Mini Storage. First they found what looked to be a severely decomposed hand, then later, in a separate container, skeletal remains were found. These remains were taken by investigators so that they could be examined. Supervising Deputy Coroner John Van Rensselaer has now stated that the remains were of two children 11 to 13-years-old, a boy and a girl, and have probably been dead for two to four years.

[Pink Panther]

Alright, another odd, interesting pic Casey uploaded to PhotoBucket 6/26 @ 8:49 PM - Any locals recognize the graffiti-ed building?

http://i33.tinypic.com/2u7ng2c.jpg
Hi there. :)

Does anything indicated that KC took this photo? What is the name of the photo??? It looks like something she may have pulled off of the internet.

[TURBOTHINK]

I had problems even thinking about where I would hide a body but did have one idea I did not see mentioned in this thread: If this area is anywhere near open ocean, are there any crab pots or lobster traps? A small child would fit in one of these and could be dropped overboard almost anywhere. The weight of the pot/trap would be enough to keep it on the bottom and would contain the body until the crab/lobster/fish/ocean currents do what they do best. :no:

I have always thought that is what they did with Natalie Holloway.

[Pink Panther]

The only place I've seen this photo is from the "unmentioned site" a few months back..are we sure this was uploaded to CASEY'S photobucket? I went all through her photobucket and a bunch of other photo sharing sites of hers,when this all first started before things were being deleted left and right, and I never saw this on her actual photobucket.


ETA...NEVERMIND I JUST READ UP..lol.

Yes. I remember seeing it in her photobucket account and Muzik has confirmed that it is in the CD that was released by LE.

[kiki the parrot]

Quote: It's obviously not the same, but one time I moved to a new home and needed to dump some junk and the easiest way for me to get rid of it was to dump it in the dumpster behind Pier One Imports, which is illegal (but in no way comparable to disposing of a body). I remember doing a dump and dash with my car running, so it's possible I'd do the same with a body.

It is one thing to be able to drive directly up to a poorly visible dumpster where for a few minutes you took the perilous "risk" of at worse, being spotted dumping some "junk." You're right, not even close or remotely comparable, (in terms of risk). I'm still highly skeptical of a "dump-and-dash" theory in scenario of the woman reported emerging from woods to a car parked on a "median." It just isn't within reason to me. Typically, bodies found quickly tossed or strewn where no time is taken to bury or conceal, are random killings. To "run" inside the woods, while carrying your own deceased child (in either large container, bag, blanket or whatever), quickly ditch the body (because you're not reported to be carrying anything like a shovel) and make a mad dash back to your illegally parked car before a sheriff or this unsuspecting witness happens along...? Doesn't sound feasible, JMHO.

[Muzikman]

Hi there. :)

Does anything indicated that KC took this photo? What is the name of the photo??? It looks like something she may have pulled off of the internet.

No there isn't, but she could have. Kinda looks familiar to me, like maybe something in the downtown area. But she could have pulled it, she is kind of lazy that way. :)

Name of the file is 793593_157727_57091f0fe3_p.jpg

[kiki the parrot]

Quote: Because, next to lying, laziness is one of her strongest traits? Because of that laziness, I think she would have put the baby in a convenient (weighted down) duffel, plastic bag, etc., and simply flung the container into the ocean (off a bridge, ideally, if such is possible). I've sailed out of Orlando on a cruise but don't remember the "lay of the land" so if my hypothesis is impossible, I apologize.

I also can't envision her working up a sweat digging a deep enough grave with a shovel. She might have planned to do that when she borrowed the shovel, and then she realized digging is very hard labor--especially in Florida in the summer. I mean, this is a young woman who is too lazy to work at a pleasant, easy job, even part time.

As to hiking into the woods toward an alligator-infested swamp, that's a good solution, except doesn't that seem awfully dangerous for her?

However, if IIRC, there are some bridges over alligator infested lakes/swamps in the vicinity, and to me that would seem like an ideal solution for her. (No heavy exertion required.) So my vote would be an alligator-infested swamp with a bridge over it.

I know the majority here thinks she used the dumpster--which would totally suit Her Laziness--but it just seems so risky, especially with her car left right there.

God, I feel like I need to say a prayer and take a shower after writing this.

I, too, have trouble envisioning her having the strength (patience, or composure) to keep digging some burial site for any extended length of time. That's probably why, if as reported here, that women/mothers conceal their victims in water. There's far less TIME (and effort) involved because the victim can be almost instantly submerged. IF (and I know this is a big "if" for some of you, although not for me) this actually was an accidental drowning scenario though (as I've suspected all along) where she recovered her child too late (cringing) beyond hope of revival (wincing) from pool where Caylee had been drawn, where she'd spent more joyful hours doing the thing she loved more than anything (crying now, I am so sorry this is very hard to write but call it mother's intuition) IF this were the case, wouldn't you be far less apt to put your child under water? But I am thinking like the devastated mother I would, and hope never to, be and of course in this scenario I would have done NOTHING that leads me to this point. I'm just saying. (And who knows, maybe in her own strange way she even had trouble parting with her remains--I believe she may have been in trunk right up til 6/26). But if that were the case I also just can NOT see being able to bear placing her child back underwater. Honestly having daymares about that pool. And I don't think a shower will do the trick for me, I honestly think I need a grief counselor at this point, this is so heartbreaking...

[Can't Sleep]

Hi there. :)

Does anything indicated that KC took this photo? What is the name of the photo??? It looks like something she may have pulled off of the internet.

Probably her design idea for her next tattoo. Sheesh...anything is possible, huh?

[Can't Sleep]

Alright, another odd, interesting pic Casey uploaded to PhotoBucket 6/26 @ 8:49 PM - Any locals recognize the graffiti-ed building?

http://i33.tinypic.com/2u7ng2c.jpg

Nice colors - probably a digital camera test photo.(?)

BTW, Thanks VERY much Muzikman, for sharing the CD contents with us. You are a real friend!

[Muzikman]

Nice colors - probably a digital camera test photo.(?)

BTW, Thanks VERY much Muzikman, for sharing the CD contents with us. You are a real friend!

No prob, hopefully by all working together we can figure out where she put Caylee!

[not_my_kids]

I think Casey originally intended to torch the car with Caylee's body in it, but she couldn't find a secluded enough spot or she thought she had a better idea or something or the sort.

[Can't Sleep]

I just had a sick thought and it scared me so I want to share.

I spent so much time last night thinking about "how would I get rid of a body" that I've been thinking about it today.

It just occurred to me, what if Casey took Caylee to the back yard after she was dead and borrowed the shovel to cut off her arms and legs, so she could dispose of her in pieces - more easily. We've agreed that a 40 pound child with 10-20 pounds of weights would be very heavy for someone 5'2" and 110 lbs...

Surely she could not be this horrible, right? But that would explain the decomp hits by cadaver dogs and maybe she buried the parts all over the yard - before deciding that wasn't a good idea.

I've never thought for a minute that she could actually dig a grave-sized hole in the back yard but a few little teeny holes might be a lot easier. I hope I'm wrong. I'm gonna have nightmares.

Sorry if this has been discussed someplace else. It's a new thought for me and makes me sick to my stomach.

[Baznme]

If it were me? I would go with a dumpster behind a restaurant or apartment complex in the dead of night.

IMO It could be either near Sawgrass or near ZG's addy at the time. Or could be the motel dumpster. Was Casey trying to plant clues to frame ZG? She gave the name and appeared to have knowlege of ZG's life, the Sawgrass connection, she then parked near a dumpster, said she was near. IMO, she saw ZG at Sawgrass, saw info on her, maybe looked her up on MySpace, paid attention to all the details, but didn't look at her pics too long. Maybe even followed her for a time. She gave details to LE, got most of them right, but when she was shown a pic, she didn't recognize it because when she looked at the pics she had paid attention to the details that were important to her (dress, hairstyles, etc) not the facial features. What was that comment she gave, something about if they had listened to what she "would" have said? ZG will figure heavily into this, and I don't mean that she is knowingly connected. I mean that I think that Casey worked out a scenario that connected ZG to where she left Caylee.

Why not the others? Burning: it would involve an isolated area in the woods, Casey first carrying Caylee to the site, then carrying full gas cans, standing around and watching a fire, and pouring gas on the fire. Too much work.

Alligators: It would involve Casey putting herself near the alligators and an isolated area. I don't think Casey has the nerve to go near the alligators.

Dump in the woods: this one is a strong second possibility.

Dump in water: this is a third possibility. Though I think she might worry about the remains surfacing and would be less likely to do this one. Also, fear of alligators.

Burying: She didn't have the equipment to bury her anywhere but the A home and she wasn't there long enough, plus it would be too much work for her.


Wasn't Z staying in a motel for a while? Maybe that's where she dumped the body???

[babycat]

As awful as this thread is, I almost didn't reply...BUT for the sake of brainstorming...

First, I'd like to say that

a) I think Casey used the chloroform to knock Caylee out before she killed her- probably via suffocation. I think she probably was able to rationalize it to herself that way, ridding herself of some of the guilt thinking that Caylee "didn't suffer" or "just went to sleep" I also believe Caylee is wrapped in plastic (and/or a blanket).

And might I add, that it just KILLS me that little Caylee doesn't even have her doll. For some reason that breaks my heart to no end...

b) I don't think the Anthony's (George and Cindy) know WHERE Caylee is- but I do think they were liming the yard with the intent of covering for Casey, just in case she put the body there. They KNEW there were cadaver hits, and maybe were scared TES would look, or police would look again. I think they'd lime all of Florida, given the chance.

And FINALLY, to answer the post, (I shudder to think that I'm even thinking of this) I'd take a body to a landfill in a bag with lime and lots of trash.

Ugh. I feel like I need a shower even thinking about that.

[Kitty Kat]

I think if I was in Florida I would say an alligator infested pond. I would think that any type of meat whether it be human or animal would not last very long in there

[aksleuth]

I just had a sick thought and it scared me so I want to share.

I spent so much time last night thinking about "how would I get rid of a body" that I've been thinking about it today.

It just occurred to me, what if Casey took Caylee to the back yard after she was dead and borrowed the shovel to cut off her arms and legs, so she could dispose of her in pieces - more easily. We've agreed that a 40 pound child with 10-20 pounds of weights would be very heavy for someone 5'2" and 110 lbs...

Surely she could not be this horrible, right? But that would explain the decomp hits by cadaver dogs and maybe she buried the parts all over the yard - before deciding that wasn't a good idea.

I've never thought for a minute that she could actually dig a grave-sized hole in the back yard but a few little teeny holes might be a lot easier. I hope I'm wrong. I'm gonna have nightmares.

Sorry if this has been discussed someplace else. It's a new thought for me and makes me sick to my stomach.


I said something similar to this somewhere in this thread, I believe. It's a terrible, terrible thought, isn't it, but with Casey, she's done so many things that none of us would actually do: the way she acts, the fact she didn't "mention" the child was "stolen" for over more than a month, she was out partying, the wild goose chases, the made up people, all the lies.......

We know Casey or someone searched chloroform, missing children websites, and Zenaida Gonzalez on her computer in advance of Caylee going missing. These things give me reason to believe this was premeditated murder.

I believe she may have planned to kill Caylee and stuff her into the trunk not realizing the process of decomposition can set in early and so drastically. Maybe she thought she could store her there until Casey got herself out of state - to California, New York, wherever, and she'd dispose of the body along the way.

BUT, decomposition set in rather quickly in the heat and humidity, and being in the trunk exacerbated the deterioration. She panicked when she saw the condition of the body, had trouble lifting it, and began the string of events we're hearing about it: the shovel, backing the car into the garage three times, the gas cans, abandoning the car.........

So, now, let's try to figure out what we would do (and she could have done) in this type of panic situation. Dismemberment sounds horrible, but it could be likely. If she could kill her daughter and drive around with her in the trunk, she could certainly make her more "movable". :eek:

[nursebeeme]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.

[pb6656]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.

This theory makes the most sense of any I have read thus far. I kept leaning towards she died from being left in the car, maybe fell asleep or whatever, and Casey panicked.

Your theory sounds very plausible.

[Baznme]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.


I think you've got this nailed. Very logical.