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housemouse
10-03-2008, 10:29 PM
I am starting this thread because we are in for a very difficult (or interesting) period in the years ahead.

Immediately, we are facing an opposition between Saturn and Uranus. These two planets have very little in common. The aspect is 4 degrees away exact today, but Saturn will be moving closer and closer, until Election Day, when it will finally confront Uranus.

So, what does this mean?

The forces of order tradition,and control are confronting the forces of disruption, revolution, and disorder.

The "bail-out" votes in Congress are tied in with this forming aspect. If you think about it, you can probably "see" how it works, but please understand that nothing has been resolved, and the passage of the Bill has not really fixed the problem.

If anything, the general public is just now becoming aware of the conflict between traditional responsible money management, and all the unusual shenanigans that have challenged stability.

Enough for now. More later, and I hope the other excellent astrologers will join me here, so we can be prepared for the challenging times to come.

Bosco
10-03-2008, 10:48 PM
Thanks HM! Should I bring over the link you referenced earlier?

Sorry, that's cryptic. I'm half-asleep. The mmacycles link.

housemouse
10-03-2008, 10:52 PM
Sure, Bosco!

Bring it over. I will add a link for those who might need to study up a bit on the history of Pluto. It might help provide some perspective.

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0008354.HTM

Bosco
10-03-2008, 11:03 PM
Respectfully brought over from other thread, from Housemouse:

"And, in case any of you need a "heads up" about the years ahead, please know that Pluto is moving into Capricorn.

So, what does that mean?

Read this, download it, and ponder it. The world we think we know is going to change. Smart people pay attention, and adjust their sails accordingly."

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/articles/pluto-in-capricorn/

housemouse
10-03-2008, 11:15 PM
Saturn and Uranus are clashing this month. See them as two knights heading into one of those duels on horseback, with helmets down and poles directed.

I see it mostly as related to the voting on Nov 4th, and can only see the potential for financial and social upheaval. The financial upheaval is now obvious.

Is the social yet to come? I must be honest here, I distrust Obama, mostly because of his past associations. As an independent voter, I have no allegiance with either party, and am not very happy with any of the candidates, except Sarah Palin.

And, lest we forget... our enemies are always ready to take advantage of any perceived weakness. President Bush has only a few months left. What better time for enemies to try to pull something off?

Just late night ramblings...

housemouse
10-03-2008, 11:23 PM
Respectfully brought over from other thread, from Housemouse:

"And, in case any of you need a "heads up" about the years ahead, please know that Pluto is moving into Capricorn.

So, what does that mean?

Read this, download it, and ponder it. The world we think we know is going to change. Smart people pay attention, and adjust their sails accordingly."

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/ar...-in-capricorn/

That link doesn't seem to work. What I will do is a total "copy and paste", and hope that Merriman understands that I am not claiming credit for his insight!

Tried that, and it was too long, so tried a new link, which I think works.

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/articles/pluto-in-capricorn/

housemouse
10-03-2008, 11:28 PM
Here is Merriman's link to the week ahead.... just in case you are curious.

http://www.mmacycles.com/weekly-preview/mma-comments-for-the-week/comments-for-the-week-beginning-october-6,-2008/

housemouse
10-03-2008, 11:32 PM
And, back to the Saturn/Uranus opposition....

My main worry is about the consequences of the election. I am worried about civil disorder in our cities. There are too many opposing groups in the U.S. at the present time. It wouldn't take much to start riots.

Those of you in areas that might be vulnerable, be prepared, and hope that the preparations are not needed.

Just sayin....

Moe
10-03-2008, 11:57 PM
Not only have we dealt with financial turmoil this week, losing thousands in our 401k, but my sister had to take her two kids, teenagers screaming from their father's home tonight. Mercury is definitely in retrograde, always scares me. I don't know much about astrology, but Mercury in retrograde is always a very scary time. Thank God they are all okay. I hate my x brother in law the narcissist.

Zoe Bogart
10-04-2008, 01:12 AM
Hi, housemouse. I posted a direct link to this thread in the other (Caylee) astrology thread.

Thanks for starting this thread and subject here.

Maui4me
10-04-2008, 01:22 AM
Housemouse I love your posts and so believe in Astrology. It appears there are several rough years ahead for all of us no matter who is elected.... funny thing I like all three candidates except Sarah Palin... she has just totally turned me off. I cannot stand to hear her voice, if they win I may have to turn the volume down a lot in the next four years. Funny thing my aunt wrote me the same thing, she cannot stand her nasaly voice.

technicalconfusion
10-04-2008, 01:43 AM
Housemouse I love your posts and so believe in Astrology. It appears there are several rough years ahead for all of us no matter who is elected.... funny thing I like all three candidates except Sarah Palin... she has just totally turned me off. I cannot stand to hear her voice, if they win I may have to turn the volume down a lot in the next four years. Funny thing my aunt wrote me the same thing, she cannot stand her nasaly voice.

I have nothing against McCain, except that he's too old and I'm afraid he's too much like Bush.

Not sure about Obama. I wanted Hilary. I've always felt that if Obama or Hilary made it into office, someone would try to assassinate them, and succeed. If McCain makes it, he's gonna drop dead in office. I can feel it. And, not only can I not handle Palin's voice, she downright gives me the creeps.

I want Hilary! Or Lou Dobbs.

Liz
10-04-2008, 01:56 AM
Housemouse, I look forward to your posts on this topic. :)

Are you aware of this, U.S. Troops In Homeland “Crowd Control” Patrols From October 1st‏?
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks. More at link.

I received that story linked in an email on Sept 25th and your post sure made me wonder if the government isn't expecting some type of citizen upheaval in our country.


(Not that it matters to me but it might to Housemouse. If you guys continue the political discussion, me thinks the thread will be moved.)

secreteye
10-04-2008, 02:40 AM
:waitasec:I agree with you Liz. I am really glad to have this thread, as I believe that times have become such that we need all the help that we can get. Maybe we can all chime in and make some suggestions on how to be able to keep the thread, while keeping the mods and Tricia happy all at the same time. I really think that would be possible, as we are all adults here.:)

It is really going to be hard to separate, as politics have much ado with the situation. Maybe we could refrain from posting our personal picks and when someone posts an opinion, take it as just that. Don't respond in a negative or positive way, just appreciate that we are priviledged enough to be able to have an opinion.

These are all just suggestions here, but the ultimate say so will come from Tricia, just thought I would state how I feel because I'm sure this is a discussion that is coming.


HM...I look every day for your latest posts. I appreciate your readings and respect your thoughts. Thanks for all you do for us here. I hope you feel better soon. Thank you for the heads up on the situation at hand.

Psmith
10-04-2008, 04:38 AM
I think a lot of people associate change with bad.

What I think to be fearful about is temper, since we are going there, and Mc Cain has one. As well as a strange memory pack.

I honor him for his service to the US and in congress.

I sure wish people would get off the weird with Obama just because he is not your neighbor, communities. He can save us, the cities, and our nation.

Why auspices favorable for a strong, smart, short armed man with rage issues since chopped and swiftboated last time BY HIS OWN PARTY?



:waitasec:I agree with you Liz. I am really glad to have this thread, as I believe that times have become such that we need all the help that we can get. Maybe we can all chime in and make some suggestions on how to be able to keep the thread, while keeping the mods and Tricia happy all at the same time. I really think that would be possible, as we are all adults here.:)

It is really going to be hard to separate, as politics have much ado with the situation. Maybe we could refrain from posting our personal picks and when someone posts an opinion, take it as just that. Don't respond in a negative or positive way, just appreciate that we are priviledged enough to be able to have an opinion.

These are all just suggestions here, but the ultimate say so will come from Tricia, just thought I would state how I feel because I'm sure this is a discussion that is coming.


HM...I look every day for your latest posts. I appreciate your readings and respect your thoughts. Thanks for all you do for us here. I hope you feel better soon. Thank you for the heads up on the situation at hand.

chesterp
10-04-2008, 09:20 AM
At this point, I am so sick and tired of all the ads, the coverage the he said/shesaid, I agree with HM regarding her prediction, I posted earlier I do not think this economic breakdown is going to effect the election.... I think there is going to be a major UPSET relating to the WAR ON TERROR and that is going to be the key factor on election day. I think we are going to be shocked and that will affected how people vote despite all the negative ads, pollsters, media bias, pundits, and we as a Nation will pull together for awhile, then all hell will brake out. JMO

housemouse
10-04-2008, 12:18 PM
OK, guys, here is my opinion about discussing the election. Let's not go there.

Here is my reasoning. We will just end up arguing with each other, if not offending each other. After all, Saturn opposing Uranus will be affecting us, too. The conservatives vs the liberals here could really get us all into a non-productive dust-up.

I read so many articles by astrologers about the candidates, and notice that it is almost impossible for them not to read the chart according to their personal political preferences. So, let's not do that here.

We could discuss the astrology of the election, but not the candidates. Watching how the Saturn Uranus opposition plays out is productive, if we adopt the attitude of "watching to learn".

I will post the chart for Election Day here. I chose a time of 11PM EST, as most of the polls should be closed by then. If some of you would prefer a "noon" chart, I can post that as well.

Everyone take a look, and then we can comment on it.


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Election08.jpg

housemouse
10-04-2008, 02:37 PM
Was it something I said? :confused:

Perhaps you all need some interpretation to get the conversation started!

Fist, how about some definitions in mundane astrology, which is what we call looking at transits as they engage in world affairs...

Since we are first considering the Saturn/Uranus opposition, here are the "mundane" meanings.

Saturn: Traditions, history, authority, order, stability, mines, deaths

Uranus: Changes, revolutions, anarchy, innovations, technology, earthquakes

Now, just to explore what happens when, we will use the Moon as a timer, because it tends to work that way, and its meaning?

Moon - General public and their opinions, families, community, women, agriculture


The Moon is now in Sagittarius, and is going to square both ends of the Saturn/Uranus opposition in a few hours, when it hits 15 Sag. Let's see if there are any events that happen later on or overnight that we can tie to the above keywords.

housemouse
10-04-2008, 03:14 PM
Next bit of information to consider, and one of the reasons I worry about this opposition....

In the USA chart I use, Mars and Neptune are in square aspect, at 20 01 Gemini for Mars (7th house), and Neptune is at 22 23 Virgo (9th house)

With Uranus at 19 50 Pisces, and Saturn at 15 Virgo, the USA Mars/Neptune square is activated. When the transiting moon hits the same degrees of Sagittarius at these, a grand cross will be formed.

in Mundane Charts...

Mars - Armies, engineering, aggression and violence, war

Neptune - Reform, ideals, trends, arts

In the next post, the mundane houses involved....

housemouse
10-04-2008, 03:49 PM
I have bolded the houses in the chart I use for the USA that are involved in the aspect pattern discussed above.


The Houses in Mundane Astrology

1st House - the nation, its people, its image as a country

2nd House - the wealth of the nation, domestic trade, money market, banks and financial institutions

3rd House - transport, bridges, communications, postal service, education, media, authors, literature

4th House - land, houses, agriculture, farming, crops, mines, coal pits, minerals, quarries, the weather, the opposition party in government

5th House - theatre, arts, places of entertainment, sports, fashion, leisure, children, speculative interests, Stock Exchange, colonies, dependencies

6th House - public health, sanitation, food, national service, army, navy, police, civil service, trade unions, working class

7th House - foreign relations, treaties and/or disputes, business relationships, agreements

8th House - taxes, deaths, probate, inheritance, losses, international finance, multi-national corporations

9th House - foreign lands, high seas, ecclesiastical and legal professions, religious affairs and religion, the church, justice, lawyers, higher education, overseas, publishing

10th House - the sovereign and their government, prestige of the country, parliament, aristocracy

11th House -national treasury, allies of the country, local government

12th House - hospitals, prisons, institutions and any place of confinement or detention, charities, secret groups, enemies within

housemouse
10-04-2008, 04:52 PM
Are those internet rumors about Biden dropping out going to come true? The moon is now at 14 Sagittarius.

CNN) — Democratic Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden is cancelling his campaign events for Saturday and Sunday as his mother-in-law battles a serious illness.

The Senator from Delaware's campaign spokesman, David Wade, put out a statement saying "the campaign has cancelled Sen. Biden's schedule today and tomorrow because of a serious illness in Jill Biden's family. Hospice has advised the Bidens to remain close by, and we appreciate everyone's respect for the family's privacy."

Biden was scheduled to speak in Washington D.C. and then attend a fund-raiser in the nation's capitol Saturday night. Sunday he was expected to campaign in Virginia.

housemouse
10-04-2008, 05:05 PM
More interesting developments... and remember, I am a rather detached independent voter, not exactly overjoyed about either candidate. Just watching what happens new-wise in while the Moon is transiting the sensitive points in Sagittarius

The connection between Obama and William Ayres (60s radical terrorist) is now breaking on national news.


Should I post links, or can you all check for yourself?

Bosco
10-04-2008, 05:06 PM
I'd be shocked if he dropped out; he's been wanting to go to the "Show" for years!

ON thread, I'm sorry I can't contribute. I know virtually nothing yet about astrology and I don't understand any of it. But if you say Mercury in retrograde is _________________, I believe it. Just patiently waiting for the analysis/interpretation--as your time/Arthur permits. Also, fascinated by astrological interpretation as it relates to historical points of interest so that we may learn and grow.

Off thread -- How bout that OJ verdict?

housemouse
10-04-2008, 05:11 PM
More bad news...

Both California and Massachusetts are now asking for Federal loans, as they don't have the cash to meet obligations, (like payrolls for police and teachers)!

The credit crunch apparently prevents them from borrowing from the usual sources.

I live in NY, and read yesterday that NYS is very dependent on Wall and Broad for much of it's budget. I'll bet NY is next to ask for a "bail-out" loan...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Credit-Concerns.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

housemouse
10-04-2008, 05:19 PM
I'd be shocked if he dropped out; he's been wanting to go to the "Show" for years!

ON thread, I'm sorry I can't contribute. I know virtually nothing yet about astrology and I don't understand any of it. But if you say Mercury in retrograde is _________________, I believe it. Just patiently waiting for the analysis/interpretation--as your time/Arthur permits. Also, fascinated by astrological interpretation as it relates to historical points of interest so that we may learn and grow.

Off thread -- How bout that OJ verdict?

I haven't paid any attention to the astrology of the OJ trial, so can't make an intelligent comment.

Arthur seems to be taking sometime off today! PTL!

As far as the astrology of the Saturn/Uranus aspect, it relates back to the 60s, and all the ruckus that was active then. Remember the Chicago riots? The "WeatherUnderground"? The bombings they pulled off, including the Pentagon?

William Ayers, an associate of Obama, was one of the WeatherUnderground....

Read my posts above, and make up some sentences using the keywords for Saturn and Uranus. You can do it! Then just watch the timer (Moon).

Isn't it interesting that William Ayers hits the news just now, while the Moon is triggering the Saturn/Uranus opposition?

Saturn: Traditions, history, authority, order, stability, mines, deaths

Uranus: Changes, revolutions, anarchy, innovations, technology, earthquakes

housemouse
10-04-2008, 05:29 PM
Also, on Biden... He has been trying for the White House for so long that I agree with you. I have read these 'net rumors, about him being asked to drop out for "health" reason for weeks now, however.

The working theory, according to all these rumors, is that Obama will dump him for Hillary, trying to win back the disaffected Hillary supporters that have gone over to McCain.

I take no position, just wonder if the Obama advisors suddenly have very cold feet because of internal polling reflecting the loss from the HIllary camp. And then, when Biden's messed up the debate, with all sorts of lies and misstatements, they are trying to figure out a way to get him off the ticket, and Hillary back on?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042008/postopinion/editorials/the_lies_biden_told_132104.htm

This is just speculation on my part, but it would fit with the symbolism of Saturn and Uranus.

Saturn: Traditions, history, authority, order, stability, mines, deaths

Uranus: Changes, revolutions, anarchy, innovations, technology, earthquakes

Bosco
10-04-2008, 06:10 PM
Also, on Biden... He has been trying for the White House for so long that I agree with you. I have read these 'net rumors, about him being asked to drop out for "health" reason for weeks now, however.

The working theory, according to all these rumors, is that Obama will dump him for Hillary, trying to win back the disaffected Hillary supporters that have gone over to McCain.

I take no position, just wonder if the Obama advisors suddenly have very cold feet because of internal polling reflecting the loss from the HIllary camp. And then, when Biden's messed up the debate, with all sorts of lies and misstatements, they are trying to figure out a way to get him off the ticket, and Hillary back on?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042008/postopinion/editorials/the_lies_biden_told_132104.htm

This is just speculation on my part, but it would fit with the symbolism of Saturn and Uranus.

Saturn: Traditions, history, authority, order, stability, mines, deaths

Uranus: Changes, revolutions, anarchy, innovations, technology, earthquakes

Disclaimer: I am very disinterested in this presidential race. I am neither for McCain nor Obama.

I had not heard the rumors about Biden's dropping out. That would be a very odd move considering the latest electoral college vote predictions that Obama is far ahead of McCain (as of Wednesday(?) And I think this morning I heard Obama leads in MI, OH and FL--three key states. Would the EC votes change often in the next 30 days like a see-saw? Do you remember the movie "Wag the Dog"? Since I saw that movie, I am less shocked when a significant event happens very close to election day and manages to sway the electorate. Economic "disaster" = vote Democrat. Terrorism attack = vote Republican. I'd love to read the interpretation of the events immediately preceding the 2000 and 2004 presidential races. Fascinating!

housemouse
10-04-2008, 06:50 PM
I just found this video. If you are sensitive, you might want to skip watching it. But, given that I found it when the Moon is making a transit, some of you might find it interesting. It is a long one, and might be controversial.

I find it interesting. It was recorded in September of 2007.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

housemouse
10-04-2008, 08:40 PM
Found this post on FreeRepublic. See the links to Obama's refutation of Palin's attack on him. FreeRepublic tends to be a conservative website, but from what I read, they aren't real happy with Mc. It is a good site to keep up with the headlines, however,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2097679/posts?q=1&;page=51

The moon in Sagittarius isn't letting us down!

secreteye
10-04-2008, 08:50 PM
More bad news...

Both California and Massachusetts are now asking for Federal loans, as they don't have the cash to meet obligations, (like payrolls for police and teachers)!

The credit crunch apparently prevents them from borrowing from the usual sources.

I live in NY, and read yesterday that NYS is very dependent on Wall and Broad for much of it's budget. I'll bet NY is next to ask for a "bail-out" loan...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Credit-Concerns.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Yes HM, I heard that today also. Seems the "bail-out" didn't help the individual states' woes. I will try and find a link that addresses this and post it here.

...and about no one commenting yet, may take a few days for everyone to get used to this thread here in the jury room. I know from experiience that it is easy to get all wound up in the Caylee threads and lose track of time.:crazy:

As for me, I'm trying to focus and study what you are saying. This is very new to me but I am very intersted. I'm sure I'm going to have questions, but I have to figure out what they are. I felt it only respectful to you to kind of familiarize myself with some things beforehand. Thanks again.

housemouse
10-04-2008, 08:52 PM
Shamelessly copied for your edutainment, and I don't think the poster has ever studied astrology.

But, not to disrespect the poster, for he/she has discovered "cycles" which, of course relates, right?

Posted on October 4, 2008 8:13:48 PM EDT by Jubal Harshaw

Here's a vanity post, put out there in hopes of illumination.

It strikes me that there's been a major financial crisis every 50-70 years in the US, and similar crisies in English history. Of course, that statement depends on how one defines a "financial crisis," but, putting that definition aside, it does seem that something happens on a pretty cyclical basis every other generation or so. It might be that each financial crisis occurs as the young men who lived through the last crisis die off, taking their experience with them.

For example, it appears we're just living through the latest such crisis. The men who were young in 1941 (a reasonable marker for the end, in the US, of the depression that started in 1929), are dying off now, and so another great financial crisis looms.

I wonder how long this has been going on. More to the point, I wonder if this sort of thing has been going on since before recorded financial history. Even more to the point, I wonder if a response to these financial crisies, if not the records of the crisis itself, has come down to us in the Jewish concept of "Jubilee."

As you may know, "Jubilee" is an ancient Jewish custom of forgiving debts, ending leases, freeing slaves, and generally starting the financial system fresh. In Leviticus, it's described as occurring every 50th year, about when the generation of men who were working at the start of the last Jubilee might be expected to have died off or otherwise left the financial system of the day.

I am wondering if, perhaps, "Jubilee" was an ancient recognition of, and formalization of, the unrest that seems to occur in financial markets as generations pass. Is it possible that the old Israelites had enough experience with human nature and finance to plan for the financial breakups they knew would occur?

Rather than research this on my own, I am, as you can see, lazily throwing it out to the Freepers for comment. I hope someone reads this, and, for their own amusement perhaps, is tempted to disprove or bolster the idea that "Jubilee" is a remnant of generational financial crisies that have been going on since ancient times. If so, not only would that be historically interesting, but perhaps it would suggest a course of action for our own financial markets. Perhaps, in modern times, we should formalize a system by which financial contracts are ended every 50 years or so. If we must have crisis, perhaps it is better to have a brief, predictable crisis rather than a long, unpredictable crisis.

Your thoughts?

the by and by
10-04-2008, 09:06 PM
I find this totally fascinating and look forward to HM charts and readings. I don't understand the charts myself but I think I have picked up on some things. Thank you HM for taking the time to do this.

the by and by
10-04-2008, 09:13 PM
Could be something to that if you go by the old sayings, that came from somewhere. Like, "History repeats itself", "Chickens coming home to roost" but the people that say that forget to look in their own backyards.

magiemay
10-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Shamelessly copied for your edutainment, and I don't think the poster has ever studied astrology.

But, not to disrespect the poster, for he/she has discovered "cycles" which, of course relates, right?

Posted on October 4, 2008 8:13:48 PM EDT by Jubal Harshaw

Here's a vanity post, put out there in hopes of illumination.

It strikes me that there's been a major financial crisis every 50-70 years in the US, and similar crisies in English history. Of course, that statement depends on how one defines a "financial crisis," but, putting that definition aside, it does seem that something happens on a pretty cyclical basis every other generation or so. It might be that each financial crisis occurs as the young men who lived through the last crisis die off, taking their experience with them.

For example, it appears we're just living through the latest such crisis. The men who were young in 1941 (a reasonable marker for the end, in the US, of the depression that started in 1929), are dying off now, and so another great financial crisis looms.

I wonder how long this has been going on. More to the point, I wonder if this sort of thing has been going on since before recorded financial history. Even more to the point, I wonder if a response to these financial crisies, if not the records of the crisis itself, has come down to us in the Jewish concept of "Jubilee."

As you may know, "Jubilee" is an ancient Jewish custom of forgiving debts, ending leases, freeing slaves, and generally starting the financial system fresh. In Leviticus, it's described as occurring every 50th year, about when the generation of men who were working at the start of the last Jubilee might be expected to have died off or otherwise left the financial system of the day.

I am wondering if, perhaps, "Jubilee" was an ancient recognition of, and formalization of, the unrest that seems to occur in financial markets as generations pass. Is it possible that the old Israelites had enough experience with human nature and finance to plan for the financial breakups they knew would occur?

Rather than research this on my own, I am, as you can see, lazily throwing it out to the Freepers for comment. I hope someone reads this, and, for their own amusement perhaps, is tempted to disprove or bolster the idea that "Jubilee" is a remnant of generational financial crisies that have been going on since ancient times. If so, not only would that be historically interesting, but perhaps it would suggest a course of action for our own financial markets. Perhaps, in modern times, we should formalize a system by which financial contracts are ended every 50 years or so. If we must have crisis, perhaps it is better to have a brief, predictable crisis rather than a long, unpredictable crisis.

Your thoughts?
housemouse,I have not a clue as to how to read these charts but I do look forward to your posts and I have felt for over a year now just a gut feeling that this election would not go smoothly if at all

housemouse
10-05-2008, 01:54 AM
housemouse,I have not a clue as to how to read these charts but I do look forward to your posts and I have felt for over a year now just a gut feeling that this election would not go smoothly if at all

Thanks for your post, magiemay. Your gut feeling is right on track. But, don't sell yourself short on reading the signs of the times. They just support your natural intuition, which is a gift from Himself.

Just learn the words/principles of the planets, and use these to make your own sentences when you see the timing work. Don't try to be too specific, for that is not our human calling.

Our only task, if we are interested, is to understand the basic language, and then watch to see how it all plays out, within the framework God has given us.

housemouse
10-05-2008, 02:04 AM
This posted because it is within the "time" window of the transiting Moon to the Saturn/Uranus battle. See how the fight is developing?


Exclusive: Obama to preempt McCain assault
By: Mike Allen
October 4, 2008 11:14 PM EST

Branding his opponent as “erratic in a crisis,” Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is preempting plans by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) to portray him as having sinister connections to controversial Chicagoans.

Obama officials call it political jujitsu – turning the attacks back on the attacker.

McCain officials had said early in the weekend that they plan to begin advertising after Tuesday’s debate that will tie Obama to convicted money launderer Tony Rezko and former Weathermen radical William Ayers.

But Obama isn’t waiting to respond. His campaign is going up Monday on national cable stations with a scathing ad saying: “Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy. No wonder his campaign wants to change the subject.

“Turn the page on the financial crisis by launching dishonorable, dishonest ‘assaults’ against Barack Obama. Struggling families can't turn the page on this economy, and we can't afford another president who is this out of touch.”

Then Obama says: “I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message.”

McCain officials told Politico that the new offensive is likely to focus on Rezko and Ayers. The officials said the campaign will not bring up the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s former pastor, because McCain has forbade them from using that as a weapon. Without being specific, the officials said outside groups may focus on Wright.

When word of the planned attacks leaked Saturday, Obama officials said within hours that it was an attempt by McCain to distract voters from the economy.

“We think the McCain campaign made a huge error by telling the press that their strategy was to distract from the most important issue facing voters,” a senior Obama official said. “Every attack going forward will be easy to characterize for what it is – an attempt to distract from the Bush-McCain economic record."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds hinted at the tough new line Saturday on “Fox & Friends.”

“There are associations that are important to who Barack Obama is as a candidate, who he’d be as president,” Bounds said.

Obama-Biden communications director Dan Pfeiffer said about the new ads: “If John McCain thinks he can ‘turn the page’ on the economic crisis facing American families, he is even more out of touch than we imagined. Now there may be no good answers for John McCain due to his erratic response to the financial crisis, but his desire to avoid discussing the economy is something we will remind voters of everyday for the next month.”

© 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC

hockeymom
10-05-2008, 04:30 PM
I love all this and truelly believe in it,yet I'm so confused and really can't interpret any of it. Could anybody do that ,ala "Astrology for Dummies". What does it all mean for the US.
I am in the same boat personally.I had my chart done years ago and the woman gave me a two hour reading. I taped it and can't find the tape,so I have no idea what that all means. I also have all my kids and husbands,not that its doing me any good!

housemouse
10-05-2008, 05:22 PM
Here is a good website to get you started, hockeymom.

The secret to learning astrology is to see it like a language. You have to learn the "words" before you can make intelligent sentences.

Take it slow, and learn the principles. Following event charts is a good way. It is so tempting to look at personal charts looking for direction, but I think that just gets you confused.

I know my chart, but I don't pay much attention to it, because like popeye said, "I yam what I yam". That said, when you watch the transits to your chart, and observe how these work in your life, you are better prepared to take on life's challenges.

An example for you. My grown son was having a "down" period a few years back, and asked me to check his chart. I did, and he was having a Neptune transit. He wanted "instant" resolution, what to do, etc.

I told him there was nothing to do but to accept that this was a period of confusion and fogginess, and that it would go on much longer than he would like. But, that it was a part of life, could be endured, and eventually would pass. There was nothing wrong with him, as these transits happen to all of us.

Anyway, here is the link. Go through the basic lessons over and over. Make "flash cards" for yourself, and read them over again and again...

http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/index.html

hockeymom
10-09-2008, 01:32 PM
This probably doesn't belong here as it isn't necessarily astrology,but while reading various forums,some dealing with psychic predictions,some astrology,on the outcome of the election,many of them seem to be in agreement that the person who is elected will not be the one inaugerated. Its alittle scary and disconcerting to me and I wonder if either of the candidates have something very negative in their charts between Nov. and Jan.
Thanks

housemouse
10-10-2008, 10:16 AM
I have looked at both charts (Obama & McCain), and can't find a definitive winner.

I read the opinions of other astrologers posting on the net, but so many of them inject their own politics into their analysis, which is a waste of time.

Probably why the Bible warns us against astrologers, in fact!

Liz
10-17-2008, 06:01 PM
Housemouse ~ Do you have anymore insight you can add? I so enjoy reading what you have to say. Thanks!

jal
10-18-2008, 12:06 AM
Housemouse, your thread has got my interest. I used to study astrology as a hobby in the 70s and gave it up because of religon. Once you know it, you can't unknow it. Anyway, looking at your chart for election day I noticed several things. One is if Saturn is the teacher and it takes approx. 29 years for Saturn to go around the zodiac, we would be looking for what was going on in approx. 1979. My understanding we could repeat what we didn't learn on the prior transit or be tested. I am interested in any comment you have. I have forgotten much of what i knew.

Liz
10-18-2008, 12:25 AM
OMG, jal ... not back to the future of the Jimmy Carter days! :eek:

CourtsInSession
10-21-2008, 02:23 AM
This probably doesn't belong here as it isn't necessarily astrology,but while reading various forums,some dealing with psychic predictions,some astrology,on the outcome of the election,many of them seem to be in agreement that the person who is elected will not be the one inaugerated. Its alittle scary and disconcerting to me and I wonder if either of the candidates have something very negative in their charts between Nov. and Jan.
Thanks

Right away I thought of an assasination when I read your post Hockeymom. Hope I am wrong, no matter which candidate wins the election.

Housemouse, hope you are starting to feel better. I sincerely miss your posts here and on the Caylee Anthony board. I took your advice and just have last minute grocer shopping to do before the election. I do take your revelations seriously.

Zoe Bogart
10-31-2008, 05:36 AM
I'm bumping this up because I think it's important and it'll be easier to find it on the first page.

Zoe Bogart
10-31-2008, 05:42 AM
This probably doesn't belong here as it isn't necessarily astrology,but while reading various forums,some dealing with psychic predictions,some astrology,on the outcome of the election,many of them seem to be in agreement that the person who is elected will not be the one inaugerated. Its alittle scary and disconcerting to me and I wonder if either of the candidates have something very negative in their charts between Nov. and Jan.
Thanks

Actually, Jan, it probably does belong here because I read that in an astrology column (not one of those horrible sun sign things). If I can find it, I'll reference it here. Although I sort of remember the author was implicating the stars were ripe for John Edwards to take over which ain't gonna happen unless something really strange takes place. It was written at a time when he was in the running for possible VP.

I'll get back with what I find.

Alexa

Zoe Bogart
11-04-2008, 01:24 AM
I found one of the articles I wrote about. It was from Today's Astrologer, the monthly membership publication of American Federation of Astrologers (AFA). Article title, "The 2008 Presidential Election", written by Marc Penfield, pages 4-16. The John Edwards part comes in on pages 15-16. Interestingly, Edwards' chart doesn't have presidential promise for the 2008 election, but there is promise for the highest office in the land, following the election, if he had been Obama's running mate. The Solar Return aspects weren't good on his 2007 birthday, but are considerably better on his 2008 birthday, with the natal angle aspects to his Solar Return chart making his chances excellent. If the election would have been held one year later (2009), Edwards' presidency prospects would have been terrific (of course, I think he severely screwed up his political power - my note).

Penfield says he thought Edwards would move up the presidential ladder due to illness or assassination, and he would have had a great mess to clean up because of the situation. (past tense mine) Edwards could still become president IF he were named Speaker of the House and both the president and vice president died or resigned, or, if the president dies, Edwards is nominated vice president, and the president either died or resigned. :eek: Quite a convoluted set of scenarios, right?

hockeymom
11-04-2008, 07:51 AM
I'm guessing John Edwards is pretty much done politically

Zoe Bogart
11-05-2008, 09:54 PM
Oh, darn! I can't edit my above post. I forgot to give the month of the publication! My above notes came from the March 7, 2008 issue of Today's Astrologer.

If I were dealing the cards, I'd say yes, Edwards is about done politically. However, not every cheating politico had been punished politically. I could name a few, but I won't, most people know who they are.

Well, the election is over. Now we'll have to 'wait and see' what the future holds.

The most recent issue of Today's Astrologer, September 29, 2008 predicts troubled times for December 5 & 6, and especially Dec. 10 through 15th when the markets will bring us more financial worries.

There's a lot more, but since very few are reading and responding to this thread, I won't continue.

FifthEssence
11-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Oh, darn! I can't edit my above post. I forgot to give the month of the publication! My above notes came from the March 7, 2008 issue of Today's Astrologer.

If I were dealing the cards, I'd say yes, Edwards is about done politically. However, not every cheating politico had been punished politically. I could name a few, but I won't, most people know who they are.

Well, the election is over. Now we'll have to 'wait and see' what the future holds.

The most recent issue of Today's Astrologer, September 29, 2008 predicts troubled times for December 5 & 6, and especially Dec. 10 through 15th when the markets will bring us more financial worries.

There's a lot more, but since very few are reading and responding to this thread, I won't continue.


I'm listening...share the knowledge and yes your opinions are welcome:)

housemouse
11-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Sorry to have been off sick for the past few weeks. It has been a bad bout!

But, for those who pick up on the thread, we have seen the outcome of the first Saturn/Uranus opposition, exact on election day.

Uranus won with the election of Barack Obama. There are 4 more opposition to come before the series is complete. These will be interesting, but more interesting is the entry of Pluto into Capricorn later this month (November '08)

Those of you interested might go to this link, print out the article and save it to see how accurate this financial astrologer will prove to be. I totally agree with his analysis of the Saturn/Uranus opposition, and we haven't seen the last of it.

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/articles/saturn-in-virgo,-oppositiion-to-uranus/

Then, go to his article on Pluto entering Capricorn, and you will see why, despite Obama's promises, we (USA) are in major trouble, and our country/government may not exist as we know it in the not too distant future.

Again, print it out, put it in a safe place, and see how accurate Merriman will be.

These are long articles, and cannot be digested in a single reading. Keep them close at hand, in your favorite "uninterrupted" reading spot, then keep them in a safe place for re-reading as the events unfold over the next few years.

In the meantime, pay off all your bills and get ready for some lean times ahead.

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/articles/pluto-in-capricorn/

And, lastly, here is another article by Merriman that you might find helpful. He writes for the non-astrologer pretty well, and explains the difference between forecasting and prediction.

http://www.mmacycles.com/articles/articles/the-cardinal-climax%3a-2008%112015/

FifthEssence
11-06-2008, 11:58 PM
Thank you HOUSEMOUSE...always good to read your posts. Appreciate the links as well....good reading there. I agree, get out of debt, live simple.

CourtsInSession
11-20-2008, 02:14 AM
Housemouse, so glad you are feeling better. I have been checking here regularly to see if you had posted anything more. Have you looked at the chart pertaining to this subject lately? If so, I am trying to be patient waiting for more of your interpretations. (I am not actually very patient at all, but I understand this was not a priority when you were sick).

I feel sorry for those who volted for the new president with the hope that there will be real change. I don't think many of those people took into consideration that things are bleak and not going to get better anytime soon. Many are going to be very disappointed as things get tougher.

Now that the election is over, what is the next event we should watch for? Can you be more specific on the four events forthcoming?

less0305
11-20-2008, 01:11 PM
housemouse,

Thank you for the information. It is fascinating to read and I just wish I understood it better. Please don't think no one is interested. I'm just not comfortable making a lot of comments about something I don't know a lot about - so reading the information and getting insight from you is exactly what I need.

thanks,
less

CourtsInSession
11-22-2008, 06:02 PM
Here is some helpful information that I previously requested from Housemouse, pertaining to 'helping' yourself in a crisis. She has ordered dehydrated foods, soup etc. from some of them. I too plan on making out an order this weekend, just in case. Even if we have a heavy snow, and I don't feel like running to the store for vegetables for soup, I can still make a pot. I am anxious to try these foods.

http://www.harmonyhousefoods.com/
http://www.readyreservefoods.com/
http://www.freezedryguy.com/

My thoughts are maybe there will be a crisis, maybe not. I just know that I do not want to be without the necessities if something should happen. It's too late to prepare then. It must be my girl scout background and their motto, "be prepared".

I take a black magic marker and mark the exp. date on top of all my canned goods. Every time I add cans, I move the older dated cans to the front, and put the new in the back. This eliminates having to throw away out dated food. I do the same with food in the freezer. I keep a chart of what I have stored, the weight and the date I froze it. This way I use the older food in the freezer first keeping the newest for later.

I hope no one thinks I've lost it, but I always prepare for everything in life. I have always been this way. I prepared for Y2K, and when it wasn't needed, I used what I had stored for the next couple of years.

the by and by
11-23-2008, 11:49 AM
Hope you are feeling better HM, I look forward to your posts. I guess I go by intuition more and 'got' that the election had some strange happenings going on, almost like everyone(all parties) were making sure this would be the outcome. Why? Have 'feelings about that too but it will play out now. For some reason when I went to the store I would find myself buying extra of certain things and storing them such as Courtinsession has described and kept the 'KISS'(keep it simple stupid) rule in my mind and changed some of my habits because of their convenience at the time. Replaced some of my camping essentials that my sons had taken when they left home, because of my limited space on storing things I could go 3 or 4 months before some things might need to be replaced longer if I limit them or do without a few things. Since I started doing this we have had 2 storms that limited travel, some roads were shut down no electricity and boil water advisory. A couple of power outages, transformer blew and don't know what other was. We had a couple of times they sent water advisories out for repair on sewers, the water was turned off 2 days on one of them. It has helped me see that just those short intervals that I was glad I had some extra supplies but if longer I would need more. Thank goodness I had a very frugal mom who's habits are coming into use now that was instilled in me when I was younger but I had let go because of convenience and time saving for me, thank you mom. Thank you HM for using your gift to help others by making them aware and to open minds to help in the changes to come.

housemouse
11-29-2008, 12:54 PM
Have been watching the mumbai massacre, and decided to take a look at transits to the US Chart.

Between the 10th and 12th of December looks difficult. Make note of that, friends, and se what happens, if anything. It could be planning behind the scenes, but it could also be an action of some kind. Will post the chart later.

chesterp
11-29-2008, 01:20 PM
Have been watching the mumbai massacre, and decided to take a look at transits to the US Chart.

Between the 10th and 12th of December looks difficult. Make note of that, friends, and se what happens, if anything. It could be planning behind the scenes, but it could also be an action of some kind. Will post the chart later.

On 9/19/08 I had a dream of something like this all the destruction and this is just the beginning. There was a reporter in this black and white dream asking Who Do You Feel Is A Better Choice To Lead Us Through Terrorism? This was in regard to the election for President. I hope and pray this is not the beginning of more attacks.

housemouse
11-29-2008, 07:32 PM
Ok, here is the chart. I hope that our resident astrologers will chime in and speculate on this. I have way too many scenarios in mind for comfort. So, maybe more minds than mine can try to pin down what might be probable!

Please note that I have chosen the first date for pressure to be felt. Watch how the Sun, etc. will oppose the USA natal Mars, and how the transiting Saturn Neptune opposition is in aspect to USA mars as well.




http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/USATransitsofDec102008.jpg

Liz
11-29-2008, 07:41 PM
I enjoy your posts so much, housemouse. Reading the links in your post #51 was really fascinating! The charts ... I hate to admit it, but they are like 'greek' to me. ;) (I wish I could understand them!)

Thanks for continuing to update us! :blowkiss:

jal
11-29-2008, 08:38 PM
Thank you for the chart. It is very active, wish I could remember more of what I used to know. All I can remember so far is the transit second house, resources and finance, is active; neptune is going over moon, deception from someplace. I remember things like Pluto takes away and replaces while Uranus changes whatever for good.

Liz, the first time I was given my chart which looked like the one posted. I looked at it and said "what does this mean?" You can learn to read it a like book

housemouse
11-29-2008, 11:44 PM
Well, this particular chart is not as easy to read as some. I notice the 8th house/2nd house activation, which implies banking/economy/financial issues.

I also notice, by sign position, the emphasis on transportation, news, schools, unions, and law.

Mars is being activated in the US natal chart. I can see the activation/timing, but exactly how it will manifest? I dunno. I am going to worry about a bunch of different things!

And, maybe it will just be our courts finally ruling on Barack Obama's need to produce a legitimate birth certificate, showing that he was born on US soil, and not in Kenya. And that he did something other than apply to the various universities as an American, and not an Indonesian.

If the latter, it could trigger what is politely called "civil unrest". Most do not think the SCOTUS will demand that Obama produce the $10 dollar legitimate Birth Certificate, showing that he was, in fact, born in Hawai'i. If they don't do that, there are a lot of people, both sides of the political aisle, who probably will not give up on the issue.

In case some of you are interested in following this absolutely horrendous story, here is a link that will give you a few sleepless nights.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index

housemouse
11-30-2008, 04:10 PM
I just finished checking Obama's chart, even though I have no idea where or when he was born.

What immediately struck me is that the Saturn/Uranus opposition is sitting right on his natal Mars. And all the transits shown above will be affecting his Mars as well. On the 13th, if I remember correctly, the Moon will be full, and forming a grand cross to the Saturn/Uranus opposition, and, of course, will be also aspecting his Mars.

Saturn is conjunct Obama's Mars, and Uranus is opposing it. And, another little detail to toss into the mix. Obama's Mars is conjuncting the USA Neptune! Will we be hoodwinked?


Anyone want to speculate on what might transpire?

Soulscape
12-03-2008, 07:42 PM
I just finished checking Obama's chart, even though I have no idea where or when he was born.

What immediately struck me is that the Saturn/Uranus opposition is sitting right on his natal Mars. And all the transits shown above will be affecting his Mars as well. On the 13th, if I remember correctly, the Moon will be full, and forming a grand cross to the Saturn/Uranus opposition, and, of course, will be also aspecting his Mars.

Saturn is conjunct Obama's Mars, and Uranus is opposing it. And, another little detail to toss into the mix. Obama's Mars is conjuncting the USA Neptune! Will we be hoodwinked?


Anyone want to speculate on what might transpire?

Hi Housemouse,

Good to see you back & posting!!

I am aware of the current controversy surrounding Barack Obama's birth certificate. This was an issue during his campaign, as well. It rather leaves me shaking my head, since the state of Hawaii has since confirmed the b.c. is legitimate...

There is a picture of the b.c. (along with an article) here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama-ad-03-dec03,0,3124041.story



BARACK OBAMA
August 4, 1961
7:24 pm AHST +10
Honolulu HI
21:18:25 N
157:51:30 W

ASC 18:03 Aquarius
SUN 12:32 Leo
MOO 03:21 Gemini

According to astrologer Michael Wolfstar:

Obama's birth time of 7:24 pm shown here is now known to be accurate. Listed below are a few examples from Obama's personal history that verify the 7:24 pm time, with attention paid to the angles, and as the ruler of his Aquarius Ascendant, transiting Uranus. Abbreviations: T = transit, P2 = secondary progressed. Orbs are given as minutes of a degree, with all being less than one degree, and most less than 1/4º:



October 1982 - Father dies drunk in car accident

T UR cnj MC, opp MO

T PL squ SA

P2 MO opp PL



November 7, 1995 - Mother dies of ovarian cancer

T PL cnj MC

T UR cnj SA

P2 MO cnj P2 UR



February 6, 1990 - elected Editor of the Harvard Law Review

T SU cnj AS

T PL in 9th squ AS

T UR sxt NE in 9th

P2 MO tri AS

P2 AS cnj Pallas



October 3, 1992 - marries Michelle

T PL opp CE

T CH cnj DE

T JU sxt MC

T (MO-UR-NE) octile MC

P2 AS tri MC

P2 AS cnj Juno

P2 ME opp Juno



July 26, 2004 - Speech at the Democratic National Convention

T UR cnj CH

T PL sxt AS

T MA cnj DE, P2 VE

P2 MO cnj MC



February 10, 2007 - Declares Candidacy

T MO cnj IC

T SA cnj DE

T NE cnj AS

T UR sxt P2 MC

P2 MO squ P2 ME, P2 MA

P2 VE cnj UR



January 3, 2008 - Wins Iowa

T SU cnj P2 MC

T NE squ CE, cnj AS

T SA sxt NE

T NN squ MC

P2 SU tri P2JU

P2 MO tri P2 Vesta

Source: http://neptunecafe.com/Obama2.html

To address your comments above, maybe Obama's Mars conjuncting USA Neptune means he will act/use his energies (Mars) to manifest the hopes & dreams (Neptune) of the American people, although current transit Saturn opp Uranus may restrain or tone down (Saturn) some of the changes (Uranus) he'd like to make...


Thanks,
Soulscape

Sonne
12-03-2008, 11:21 PM
I don't understand the birth certificate controversy. Here are the birth announcements. :bang:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg

Soulscape
12-04-2008, 03:01 PM
I don't understand the birth certificate controversy. Here are the birth announcements. :bang:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg


Great find, Cotton!!!

I didn't understand the controversy either -- and after seeing these as well as the b.c., I am truly scratching head!!

Thanks,
Soulscape

CourtsInSession
12-10-2008, 11:41 PM
Housemouse, where have you been? I keep checking every day to see what the charts are telling you. I am also very concerned about the near future and am depending on you to help me out here.

I sure hope that you and your hubby aren't under the weather again. Please update us when you have a minute. I miss you and your posts.

housemouse
12-11-2008, 08:15 PM
Am here from time to time. My husband had another fall, outside in the snow and ice, unfortunately.

I have to stay pretty close to him, for once he falls, we have to call for help to get him up.

I am watching the find of the small child with interest... the active t-square, turning into a grand cross with the full moon tomorrow certainly seems to be flooding us with events!

The kind of astrology I practice is different than the done by the other fine folks posting. I mostly watch timing, and see what happens. I don't predict, work with horary, or psychological astrology.

So, do not have as much to talk about as the others.

housemouse
12-11-2008, 08:34 PM
Hi Housemouse,

Good to see you back & posting!!

I am aware of the current controversy surrounding Barack Obama's birth certificate. This was an issue during his campaign, as well. It rather leaves me shaking my head, since the state of Hawaii has since confirmed the b.c. is legitimate...

There are some who doubt this, Soulscape. Hawaii could, and did, issue a Certificate of Live Birth to those born outside of the country, as they did for Barack's sister. She was born in Indonesia.

Also, if you read the statement very carefully, there is some parsing going on there. Also, some seem to be concerned that Obama never dealt with his Indonesian citizenship properly, and may have used it to apply to several colleges as a foreign student.

To address your comments above, maybe Obama's Mars conjuncting USA Neptune means he will act/use his energies (Mars) to manifest the hopes & dreams (Neptune) of the American people, although current transit Saturn opp Uranus may restrain or tone down (Saturn) some of the changes (Uranus) he'd like to make...

I hope you are right, Soulscape. I do not have an opinion as to how he will use the energies, and will wait and see. There are other possible uses for these Mars/Neptune energies, which are not so positive, as I am sure you know.

At any rate, the controversies surrounding his relationships with various colorful characters, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Rezko, and the Illinois governor certainly support these energies. The questions about the circumstances of his birth are probably also related.

But, I am just a watcher, and do not form opinions. I do notice that there are now over 20 court cases in various states demanding that he prove his eligibilty to hold the office. People want to see the original long form birth certificate, signed by the doctor, indicating the location, date, and time of his birth, and are not satisfied by what he has presented so far.

Tuba
12-11-2008, 09:16 PM
The conjunction of the new president's Mars, the U.S. Neptune and transit Saturn is a powerful punch and the conjunction of Mars and Pluto immediately following Christmas redoubles the warning. We will be fortunate if our troubles are solely economic. Too many unfriendly forces traveling as a gang. Our national Mars is in the equation by square so treachery is the threat that concerns me.

housemouse
12-11-2008, 10:00 PM
Tuba, I am past concerned now, and on the verge of being scared.

Pluto's entrance into Capricorn has not happened since our revolution, if I remember right. Have any "Democracies" lasted much beyond 200 years?

Our new President has Sun square Neptune, if we can trust the photoshopped COLB put out on his website. (Think it has now been taken down, since some have proved it a forgery).

Remember that the USA has Mars square Neptune in it's natal chart. Obama's Mars is conjunct USA Neptune, square USA Mars.

His Pluto is in applying square to USA Uranus. His south node and ASC (if we trust the forged BC?) is two degrees separating from the US Moon, and his Uranus is opposing. I use the Scorpio rising chart, by the way (2:21 PM).

Obama's Venus is applying (1 degree) conjunct the USA Venus.

But, what bothers me the most, Tuba? The present Sun/Mars conjunction in Sag, which the Moon will be opposing in a few hours, is right on Obama's Mars and the USA Neptune, with that nice grand cross to the existing Saturn/Uranus opposition.

This Saturn/Uranus opposition will be recurring about 5 times, I think. This is just the first pass at their dance.

That, plus Pluto's entrance into Capricorn, plus all the confusion and corruption, have me truly depressed about our future as a nation.

If you want me to post a "Tri-wheel" for all of this, let me know. I am just skimming the surface, and not doing a detailed analysis.

(DH had another bad fall last week, and I am busy following him around like a shadow, to make sure he doesn't fall again, for I am not strong enough to get him back on his feet once he goes down.)

housemouse
12-12-2008, 04:14 PM
A curious detail for those of you following "mundane" astrology...

The COLB (Certificate Of Live Birth) posted by Daily Kos, (I think), and which some think is a forgery, is exactly 6 months old today.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

I found this by surfing around to various sites, quite by accident. Or was it?

And, the Supreme Court is hearing a second case in private today. I do not know what the outcome will be, but thought the timing was interesting, considering today's Grand Cross. About the only thing I can say is that the conflicts shown in a Grand Cross are usually very hard to resolve. Maybe the trine to Jupiter will help?

housemouse
12-12-2008, 07:40 PM
Events that have happened since this Grand Cross started forming earlier this week.

The crash of the Jet in Miramar, killing 4.
O.J.'s conviction and jail sentence
Obama's birth certificate controversy goes to the supremes
The Chicago Blogo mess comes to light
Wicked winter storms cause snow in New Orleans
The Big Three "auto" bailout fails
Ice Storm in the NE causes power failure for million households
Caylee's remains possible found.
Stories about bankruptcies in media and newspaper outlets.
Problems with labor unions and state budgets, many broke.

And, there are still more to come, if I can speculate. Notice how many of these are transportation, union, or judicial stories?

Tessie
12-12-2008, 08:36 PM
We also had a tornado in my part of North Texas Monday night.
Most unusual this time of year.
Blessings,
Tess

Tuba
12-14-2008, 03:57 PM
Keeping always in mind The Pilgrim Chart because it represents first touch to our nation's soil in New England. The advent of Pluto, then Mars, to the Sun of that chart opposite Saturn is ominous. Landing of the Pilgrims on Plymouth Rock, 70 West Long., 41:58 North Lat., Monday at 6 a.m. December 21, 1620, New Style Calendar. Midheaven is afflicted by Pluto & Mars transit, 0 Libra at H. 10 Cusp. Sagittarius rises at 10:21. I have done a great deal of work with this chart since September 11, 2001 because that was an attack on our soil.

housemouse
12-15-2008, 05:38 PM
Keeping always in mind The Pilgrim Chart because it represents first touch to our nation's soil in New England. The advent of Pluto, then Mars, to the Sun of that chart opposite Saturn is ominous. Landing of the Pilgrims on Plymouth Rock, 70 West Long., 41:58 North Lat., Monday at 6 a.m. December 21, 1620, New Style Calendar. Midheaven is afflicted by Pluto & Mars transit, 0 Libra at H. 10 Cusp. Sagittarius rises at 10:21. I have done a great deal of work with this chart since September 11, 2001 because that was an attack on our soil.

Tuba, thank you so much for this insight! I never thought of studying that chart, (even though li'l ol me is one of the thousands of descendants of John and Priscilla Alden[/I])

So, off to study it right now.

This Saturn/Uranus opposition bears watching. There will be 5 of them! Next one in February, I think, but am not that far ahead yet.

Also, am worrying bout the Mars/Pluto conjunct on the 28th, since it is right on my son's natal Sun, square his Uranus.

hockeymom
12-15-2008, 09:44 PM
I don't want to steal this thread as it is about the USA,but do have an astrological question. After reading in the threads in the Caylee Anthony section,I began thinking about how the charts of people close to us interact with our own. I've always found it interesting that I have three sons and my first son shares my sun sign,Pisces,my second son,was born in my moon sign,Taurus,and my third son was born in my ascendent,Leo. Is this sort of thing typical,unusual or just coincidental? (I'm not asking for any reading or anything,just curious if this is the norm?)

housemouse
12-16-2008, 08:55 PM
I don't want to steal this thread as it is about the USA,but do have an astrological question. After reading in the threads in the Caylee Anthony section,I began thinking about how the charts of people close to us interact with our own. I've always found it interesting that I have three sons and my first son shares my sun sign,Pisces,my second son,was born in my moon sign,Taurus,and my third son was born in my ascendent,Leo. Is this sort of thing typical,unusual or just coincidental? (I'm not asking for any reading or anything,just curious if this is the norm?)

Yes, this is very normal. And, if you do more chart comparisons, you will find many more links between your charts. If you think about it from a logical point of view, doesn't it make sense to you?

Go back and look at your parents' charts, and your grandparents. Also look the your husband's chart and his parents and grandparents. You will find lots of interesting links.

What you all, as a family, make of these is even more interesting to think about...

TURBOTHINK
12-18-2008, 12:41 AM
Just wanted to bump this and not let this thread go into some obscure place. I find it interesting.

hockeymom
12-18-2008, 08:03 AM
Yes, this is very normal. And, if you do more chart comparisons, you will find many more links between your charts. If you think about it from a logical point of view, doesn't it make sense to you?

Go back and look at your parents' charts, and your grandparents. Also look the your husband's chart and his parents and grandparents. You will find lots of interesting links.

What you all, as a family, make of these is even more interesting to think about...

Thanks. I don't have time of birth for most of them,but I think I will look and see how all those charts compare,with the info I have,

housemouse
12-19-2008, 01:04 PM
Between the news conference on the Caylee case, and the Blogo news conference, and the auto bailout, today is certainly an interesting news day.

Airport transportation is problematic at many northern locations, and over-the road travel in the north is very hazardous.

All fits with today's aspects.

And, I found this on worldnet daily. Take it with a grain of salt, however.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83977

hockeymom
12-27-2008, 10:42 PM
Was something happening in the stars this Christmas? Seriously everyone I know had a "weird" Christmas. Not necessarily bad,just weird. Lots of sickness, electric problems,flooding in their houses. People acting stranger than ever. Can you guys give me any insight?

housemouse
12-28-2008, 01:58 PM
A big line up of planets in Capricorn, hockeymom. Mars approaching a conjunction to Pluto, exact today, as a matter of fact.

You can see the chart for today at the site linked below. Scroll down a bit to see the chart titled "Astrological Weather".

Think about the killing in LA, the Israelis going after Hamas, and all the potentially violent situations around the world, like the increasing tension between Pakistan and India...

It has been a tense time for many people.

http://www.strangehouse.com/

housemouse
12-29-2008, 03:50 PM
An interesting development today...

Small Earthquakes in Yellowstone (30 in 48 hours, 4 in last hour)

Hope this is "normal", since Yellowstone sits on top of a huge caldera. If it ever blows, we are in big trouble. A little reminder of Mars/Pluto just passing conjunction?

MysteryAddict
12-29-2008, 04:16 PM
Housemouse- With the Mars/Pluto conjunction taking place within the
Saturn/Uranus opposition, what do you see ahead for Israel?
Do you see this latest battle with Hamas escalating into something of
Biblical proportion since the other Muslim countries are threatening
to join in?
Should that happen, I would see no other help for Israel but the one
promised them by God.

housemouse
12-30-2008, 11:10 AM
I am watching it with concern. I notice that Israel has Venus at 4 Cancer 49, and Mars is approaching opposition. Mars is also making a one of the minor hard aspects (sesquiquadrate) to Saturn.

We will just have to watch and see. I am going to do some research later on today, if I can find the time. Will check what was going on astrologically during Israel's past defensive actions.

Also, it will be important to check the midpoints to get a better idea of the prevailing "weather" as it relates to the Israeli natal chart.

housemouse
01-02-2009, 04:26 PM
I have been watching the earthquake swarms at Yellowstone with fascination, tinged with worry. I figure that if I watch every single minute of every single day, maybe nothing will happen!

The earthquakes started just as the Mars/Pluto conjunction was forming, and they are still going on. These are all localized in Yellowstone Park, mostly under the northern end of Yellowstone lake.

If Yellowstone blows, we could be in a big mess, so let's hope she doesn't!

WildHeart
01-02-2009, 08:21 PM
I wonder how the upcoming Mercury Retrograde will impact our financial markets and world affairs--the inauguration is also going to be during the MR.

housemouse
01-02-2009, 09:22 PM
I wonder too! It will be very interesting to watch and see "how it goes"!

A good financial astrologer to watch, on a weekly basis, is linked below;

http://www.mmacycles.com/weekly-preview/mma-comments-for-the-week/

Salem
01-07-2009, 11:48 AM
Housemouse - so glad you brought this over from the Parking Lot or Jury Room. I don't read there often and always forgot to check. Now I won't because I'm very interested in the references for learning about this stuff.

I'm off to look up Soulscape's Horary references.

Salem

housemouse
01-07-2009, 01:39 PM
Mars will be opposing the US natal Sun between Jan 10 and Jan 12, being exact on Jan 11th.

Then it will square US natal Saturn Jan 15th & 16th, exact on the 15th.

But, and this is an important consideration... There is a background influence to the US Mars. Uranus is squaring it between Jan 10th and Jan 31st. This is a highly unpredictable transit.

There is a Mars transit opposing the US Mercury at the end of January, exact on the 29th. Will post on that later, after we see what takes place with the Mars transits between the 10th and the 16th.

So, what is the "forecast" for this kind of "weather"? Here are the principle keywords for "mundane or political" astrology. We shall see how the events, whatever they might be, reflect the principles involved.

Sun : Supreme authority in the State (the President/Prime Minister/Chancellor). National character and identity, major events, overall Weltanschauung.

Mars : The armed forces and police; violent crime, war, industrial concerns; when associated with Uranus may cause explosions, terrorism; with Neptune, treachery. Divisive elements in society.

Saturn : Property, the system of government, institutions and bureaucracy, economy, conservatism, infrastructure, law, control

Uranus : Administration, revolutions, progressive or radical movements, countercultures; power in its physical sense - electrical and nuclear, new technology, innovation.

Zoe Bogart
01-20-2009, 03:00 AM
I've just spent time reading this thread and catching up on the newest posts. I'm shocked the Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory is still going strong. I thought it was settled months ago. Can you imagine the uproar if it's found out he wasn't born in Hawaii and is truly foreign-born? He wouldn't be the legitimate president - oh my. :eek: I'm going to crawl into my gopher hole out back. Punxsutawney Phil, move over.

This is a most interesting thread. So many topics. Thank you so much, ladies. Now I have to read all the referenced articles and study the charts.

Thanks so much for all your hard work.

CourtsInSession
01-20-2009, 10:40 PM
I've just spent time reading this thread and catching up on the newest posts. I'm shocked the Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory is still going strong. I thought it was settled months ago. Can you imagine the uproar if it's found out he wasn't born in Hawaii and is truly foreign-born? He wouldn't be the legitimate president - oh my. :eek: I'm going to crawl into my gopher hole out back. Punxsutawney Phil, move over.

This is a most interesting thread. So many topics. Thank you so much, ladies. Now I have to read all the referenced articles and study the charts.

Thanks so much for all your hard work.

This is where I live and am personal friends with Phil!!

Zoe Bogart
01-21-2009, 12:04 AM
Oh, really? That's cool. Tell Phil my friends and I used to celebrate his day every year until some of them died from old age. I was the youngest of the group. :wink:

housemouse
01-23-2009, 05:38 PM
I notice that Venus will be squaring the US Mars and opposing the US Neptune tomorrow and Sunday. The USA North Node is semi-square Venus as well, and transiting Sun is opposing the same North Node.

Of the above, USA Mars and Neptune are being activated by the Saturn Uranus opposition. This is a longer transit, so is more a "background" influence, that is being triggered by Venus. Another background influence is transiting Neptune 2 degrees away from a conjunction to the USA moon.

The following midpoints in the USA chart are also being aspected: Pluto/MH and Jupiter/Uranus.

So, what might be in the news?

The background (Saturn/Uranus) is the tension between our existing system and institutions, law and control, conservatism, established ways and procedures, vs. the desire for innovation, progressive or radical ideas, electricity/nuclear energy.

Neptune (oil, drugs, fraud, glamour, idealism, covert actions, socialism, scandal) near conjunction with the USA Moon (the people, national security needs, basic necessities for food, clothing, shelter, women, national mood, desire for change, suggests to me that we could easily be fooled in these areas...

We all know this, as we have been living with it for awhile, so it isn't news.

The Mars (military, police, manufacturing and industrial concerns, generals, war, violence, metals, fire & Neptune (see above) in the US Chart are indications of confusion about the present situation regarding the war on terror. President Obama is trying to distance himself from President Bush, and may not be as transparent as he has promised. Or, perhaps his administration will lie to us about his intentions.

Venus (women, peace and diplomatic efforts, celebrities, fashion, money, values) is the activating planet in the next two days. Will President Obama be thwarted in his efforts to ask other countries to take for the Gitmo inmates? Does this relate to Hillary Clinton's first diplomatic efforts to stop the fighting in the middle east?

Or, does Venus suggest the decision to spend more money than we can afford on manufacturing alternative energy resources?

It will be interesting to watch the topics chosen by the cable channel talking heads this weekend. Let's see how closely they fit within the framework above.

Will discuss house placements in the next post.

housemouse
01-23-2009, 05:48 PM
Here is the BiWheel chart for the USA and now.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/USABiWheel.jpg

housemouse
01-23-2009, 06:04 PM
Since Venus is in the fifth, that suggests financial speculation, stock market, gambling, the entertainment industry, recreational activities, the birth rate, children

Mars in the eighth, the national debt, taxes, credit, inheritances, corporate finances, loans, insurance, capital.

Neptune in the 11th, political ideologies, local governments, congress, community programs, national alliances and organizations.

My goodness! Perhaps there will be some conservative backlash about the two or 3 trillion dollars planned spending, which will certainly turn our children and our grandchildren into indentured servants to the State?

If transiting Saturn up there in the 11th, sitting on USA neptune, can't stop the congress from firing up the printing presses to toss all that money around, the news media (check the position of both Mercuries and the proximity the the USA Pluto) we are truly facing a catastrophe, and one that might eliminate our freedom of speech.

Obama may try to dictate what can and can't be said. I will be watching transiting Mars as it approaches US Pluto.

housemouse
01-23-2009, 11:03 PM
I am wondering what would be the easiest for everyone. I am thinking of posting Barack Obama's "stress" chart, so people can watch the transits, but am not sure whether to post them here, in the USA section, or to start a third thread just for Obama, and keep this thread for the USA?

Any opinions? Any ideas?

CourtsInSession
01-23-2009, 11:40 PM
Oh, really? That's cool. Tell Phil my friends and I used to celebrate his day every year until some of them died from old age. I was the youngest of the group. :wink:


I will be sure to tell Phil. It sounds perfectly logical why you quit celebrating Groundhog Day!

CourtsInSession
01-23-2009, 11:42 PM
I am wondering what would be the easiest for everyone. I am thinking of posting Barack Obama's "stress" chart, so people can watch the transits, but am not sure whether to post them here, in the USA section, or to start a third thread just for Obama, and keep this thread for the USA?

Any opinions? Any ideas?

My opinion, since no one else has expressed theirs, is that it would be best to create a seperate one for Obama. That way you can find specifically what you are looking for without getting bogged down searching for info.

ChattyWoman
01-24-2009, 09:04 AM
I am wondering what would be the easiest for everyone. I am thinking of posting Barack Obama's "stress" chart, so people can watch the transits, but am not sure whether to post them here, in the USA section, or to start a third thread just for Obama, and keep this thread for the USA?

Any opinions? Any ideas?

I don't post often, but I read every word written.
I would like to see a seperate thread for BO.

Salem
01-24-2009, 11:11 AM
I agree - a separate thread for the new president would make it easier to follow.

I love this thread housemouse. I know I don't post much, but please know that I read often.

Salem

FifthEssence
01-24-2009, 11:28 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

For the time being, we will keep Obama inside this thread. He is the #1 representative of our United States and our thread heading does ask the question: What's ahead for the USA.

Thank you.

housemouse
01-24-2009, 11:36 AM
I will keep any chart information on President Obama in this thread. Fifth Essence is "the word" on this! Hopefully will get it up later today.

beckaroozie
01-24-2009, 11:42 AM
Fifth O/T -- I LOOOOOOVE YOUR LIL PUPPY!! There have been meaning to say that for over a week. He's adorable!

housemouse
01-24-2009, 02:06 PM
Here is President Obama's natal chart showing only the stress or event-related aspects.

IF, and I say again, IF this birth time is accurate, which I doubt for various reasons, we should watch transits to his ascendant and midheaven.

The Sun/Uranus opposition to his ascendant, and the Uranus square to his midheaven, when transited by planet, should be good "timers" of events.

Also, we can watch transits to his Moon at 3 Gemini, because it is approaching a square to Pluto, and events timed this way would confirm his Moon placement.

The opposition between Mercury and Jupiter is not tied in with his time of birth as long as he was actually born on August 4th, 1961. So transits to this aspect should be reliable. Also, we can watch the wide square between his Sun and Neptune, as that is dependent on the moment of birth.



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/Obamastressnatal.jpg

Old Bird
01-25-2009, 03:55 PM
Housemouse,

I'm curious as to the possibility of a merger between the US, Canada, & Mexico into a North American Union. I read lots of stuff that is speculation --not anything that I could claim as fact. But, anything in the stars for this?

I'd think we could someday see the EU and other "Unions" evolve into the TEN nations spoken of in the Book of Revelation. I share your concern for our country -- I am not sure what the future brings for our children & grandchildren as our sovereignty disappears & God gets booted out of the nation!

Thx, Old Bird

housemouse
01-25-2009, 05:02 PM
Hello, Old Bird!

I haven't looked at the various charts for the USA in that regard. I will keep it in mind, however, and post here if something comes to mind.

That said, I would guess the planet to watch would be Pluto. It is once again in Capricorn. It hasn't been there since the Constitution was signed, when it was at about 27 degrees, if my old memory serves me.

There will be a square forming between Saturn to Pluto later on this year. I will post more about that later.

Suffice it to say, it would be a wise idea to prepare for this coming square, and take the time between now and then to get our houses and families ready.

Old Bird
01-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Hello, Old Bird!

I haven't looked at the various charts for the USA in that regard. I will keep it in mind, however, and post here if something comes to mind.

That said, I would guess the planet to watch would be Pluto. It is once again in Capricorn. It hasn't been there since the Constitution was signed, when it was at about 27 degrees, if my old memory serves me.

There will be a square forming between Saturn to Pluto later on this year. I will post more about that later.

Suffice it to say, it would be a wise idea to prepare for this coming square, and take the time between now and then to get our houses and families ready.


It's very interesting that Pluto is once again in Capricorn & it hasn't been since the Constitution was signed, HM. I have heard some mutterings about a rewrite of the Constitution -- you know, an update for modern times. Yes, I will watch -- that is what I always do is watch. Great advice to get things in order! Yes, if you do come across this type of info, I am always interested. Always look forward to your posts! Thx, OB

Salem
01-25-2009, 07:17 PM
Housemouse,

I'm curious as to the possibility of a merger between the US, Canada, & Mexico into a North American Union. I read lots of stuff that is speculation --not anything that I could claim as fact. But, anything in the stars for this?

I'd think we could someday see the EU and other "Unions" evolve into the TEN nations spoken of in the Book of Revelation. I share your concern for our country -- I am not sure what the future brings for our children & grandchildren as our sovereignty disappears & God gets booted out of the nation!

Thx, Old Bird

Interesting that you should bring this up. I have been hearing these rumors also. If I remember correctly, the rumors started with the Clinton administration and the trade agreement. I'll see what other info I can find. I know someone who has been following this Union for the past several years. Maybe I can get some article links or something.

Salem

Torrie
01-26-2009, 08:54 PM
Hello, Old Bird!

I haven't looked at the various charts for the USA in that regard. I will keep it in mind, however, and post here if something comes to mind.

That said, I would guess the planet to watch would be Pluto. It is once again in Capricorn. It hasn't been there since the Constitution was signed, when it was at about 27 degrees, if my old memory serves me.

There will be a square forming between Saturn to Pluto later on this year. I will post more about that later.

Suffice it to say, it would be a wise idea to prepare for this coming square, and take the time between now and then to get our houses and families ready.

Housemouse, I would love to learn more of this coming square. I check here several times a day, I find this all extremely interesting. I don't know how you remember it all, lol. Didn't you mention having FMS? I have it, and my memory is kaput...I can't even remember the signs that go on the charts, let alone everything else. :(

housemouse
01-27-2009, 10:47 AM
Yes, I have FMS among other problems.

Will post more on the coming Saturn/Pluto square in a little while. Want to write up a good explanation for everyone as to why we should interested and prepared..

Torrie
01-27-2009, 11:27 AM
Thanks, housemouse. I'm looking forward to reading your write up. I am sorry about your FMS. Must be extremely hard on you caring for your hubby on top of it. You're in my thoughts & prayers.

housemouse
01-27-2009, 11:55 AM
First of all, let's review Pluto's trek through the signs in recent history.

Pluto was in Scorpio from 1983 through 1995. This was a period of years that brought our attention to sex, death, and crime. While the AIDS virus had been lurking under the radar before this, it wasn't until Pluto entered Scorpio that it came to the surface of our attention.

Pluto is like that. Problems relating to the basic meaning of the sign seem to go unnoticed until Pluto brings them to the light of day. We all know that homosexuality and bisexuality are nothing new under the sun, but during this time, they became a socio-political issue.

This was also the time when violent video games, street gangs, music, the sexual abuse of children, battered women also dominated the news as "social problems". We still worry about these problems, as we lost our blissful assumptions when Pluto lifted up the rock, and exposed our lack of awareness.

Pluto entered Sagittarius in 1995, and stayed there until this last fall of 2007. What came to the surface in these years? Think of 9th house matters... This was the period when we began to realize that not all was excellent about our educational institutions, calls for reforms of these, an explosion of mass media outlets, cable channels, public awareness and use of the internet, political bias by the main stream media, and most of all, religious beliefs.

We humans tend to confuse our personal truths for absolute truth in all forms of religion, which is under the "Sagittarius Search For Truth/Information/Justice etc." Some in our culture, unable to achieve the implementation of their social and community goals through legislation, decided to turn to the courts. Other decried using the courts to enforce a social agenda desired by minority special interest groups.

Fundamentalism seemed to spread like a virus throughout all kinds of special interest groups. From a demand via the court system from secular "believers" to stomp out all displays of Christian beliefs and symbols, Hollywood stars flocking to Scientology, cable channels dedicated to specific faiths, a split in mainstream churches about the ordination of homosexuals, to the beginning of CDs, podcasting, and other forms of media explaining, exhorting, and proclaiming religious truths, we became aware of the conflicts between all these faiths.

But, the biggest of all was the rise of fundamental Islam, and the attack on the secular/Christian/Jewish west by fanatic believers in the justice of Jihad.

Wars over religion, ideology, culture, groups that think differently, celebrity journalism, the internet, sports scandals... all these are symbolized by Pluto in Sagittarius.

Now Pluto is entering Capricorn, a practical, material world sign, one that related to karma, time, and old age. Saturn rules Capricorn, which is the 10th house sign. Also considered under the influence of Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th house are structures, systems, status, administrators, bureaucrats, leaders, big corporations, and governments.

Control is a big Capricorn word. Rather than speculate on the forecast for Pluto's transit through Capricorn, I would encourage you all to google "Pluto in Capricorn", read all you can from the various astrologers on-line, and do your own forecasting!

Here is one link to get you started! Not that I agree with any or all these forecasts, but they do help to get a feel for how astrologers speculate about this transit.

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/06_pluto.htm


Next, the coming Saturn/Pluto square...

housemouse
01-27-2009, 12:46 PM
Pluto is about the power of transformation. Saturn is conservative, rigid, reactionary, but it is also about order and structure.

We need Saturn in our lives, for we need order, a degree of predictability, and structure in our society, instead of anarchy.

The combination of Saturn in Libra and Capricorn Pluto in hard aspect suggests that the existing lawful and orderly systems and structures represented by Saturn will be challenged by Pluto's power to breakdown, decay, and destroy these structures.

So, the square between these two suggests that we may face a crisis involving our resources, our freedom of movement, and our government.

When Saturn last opposed Pluto, between August 2001, and May 2002, what major event happened? What was affected?

From November 2009 through August of 2010 , Saturn will form a closing square to Pluto. In July of 2010, there will be a grand cross formed by Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto (all between 0 and 3 degrees of Aries, Libra, and Capricorn), and the inner planets in Cancer.

There will be some dramatic changes and challenges to deal with, particularly since there will be a continuing square between Uranus and Pluto during this transit.

My plans are to save as much money as possible, stock up on anything we might need regarding food, clothing, and shelter, and to be prepared for unexpected limitations. I am praying that there will not be "civil unrest", because we, as a nation, no longer have the skills we had several generations back.

So many people are dependent on fast food and microwave meals, not to mention government checks. How will they manage if our "systems" fail?

What will happen if the present total of 8.5 trillion spent and proposed causes a total melt-down of our economy?

Most importantly, with all the keywords in front of you, what do you think the forecast might be?

Carolina Girl
01-27-2009, 04:47 PM
Martial Law.

Old Bird
01-27-2009, 07:54 PM
Hi Housemouse,

You have my head spinning. :crazy: I’ve read so many things that all point in this direction: more Gov’t, less freedom for individuals, economic crisis, division, and conflict…

Until now had not seen it put under one umbrella. I should have looked to the stars! Thank you for the background info & the “scary stuff” in the 2nd post! When I’m on the computer at home (weekend) I’ll do the googling and read the link you provided. I’m sure I’ll have lots of questions.

I did take a few minutes today to look at some sources of info for the “North American Union”…

The North American Partnership http://www.ssp.gov - documents a March 2005 meeting in TX between Pres Bush (US), PM Martin (Canada) & Pres Fox (Mexico). The documentation is called the Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP).

And Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp says no agreements or treaties – just the SPP came from the meeting of the leaders of the three nations. The SPP calls for increased cooperation in areas of common interest.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union , the “rumor” of a future North American Union is a product of the conspiracy theorists (like moi, I think – I love a good conspiracy theory!) Guess we can just watch & see what comes.

Again, HM, thanks! I really appreciate your work :clap: & hope we can have some interesting discussions on what may lie ahead for our country without landing in the Parking Lot...

V/R, OB

housemouse
01-27-2009, 10:59 PM
Old Bird, I enjoy a well-constructed conspiracy too!

I started at a young age, reading Taylor Caldwell. The age of the internet has helped create so many of them, though these are much more easily "de-constructed" than they used to be. Probably because of the age of the internet, and the basic fact that sleuthing is so much easier now, and any really big one would be very hard to keep a secret for long!

We should probably be thinking of how Saturn in Aries will deal with the challenge from Pluto. I hope some of the other astrologers will join us in speculation.

housemouse
01-28-2009, 12:04 PM
I decided to do a little historical sleuthing just now, to see the date of the last closing square from Saturn to Pluto was... We know Pluto hasn't been in Capricorn since the signing of the Constitution days.

It was November 2nd, 1776, and Saturn was at 26 Libra, Pluto at 26 Capricorn.

housemouse
01-29-2009, 02:04 PM
Just came across the news. There is a credible threat against President Obama, by someone in Colorado. There is a manhunt ongoing. The threatmaker is also threatening to attack the Mall of America in Minnesota.

So, I quickly checked tranists to Obama's chart, and sure enough, Mars in conjunct his natal Saturn, and Uranus is approaching an opposition to Obama's natal Mars. Pluto is opposing his Venus, but I don't think this threat is related to this aspect.

Don't have a date for Mall of America.

Let us pray that this guy is a nutcase who gets caught quickly, and that the President is protected. An assassination is the last thing this country needs at the present time!

housemouse
01-29-2009, 06:37 PM
I am looking ahead at President Obama's chart, and listing the stressful aspects to his natal planets.

Around Feb 5th, Mars will conjunct his Jupiter, and then will oppose his Mercury on Feb. 7th. Positively, we can expect great oratory with this influence, but negatively, there could be failure due to negligence, clumsiness, or dishonesty. If his birth certificate is accurate, this falls across his 12th/6th, with transiting Mars in the 12th.

Starting on Feb 9th, transiting Jupiter, in the 12th, will be within orb of square to his Neptune in the 9th, be exact on Feb 11th, and will leave orb on Feb 13th. The positive way this aspect could be used is the pursuit of idealistic inclinations. Negatively used, it could signify losses, a scandal caused by instability, and political conflicts.

Mars will be in sesquiquadrate to his natal Mars, exact on the 14th, and will then square his Neptune on the 15th, and oppose his Sun on the 20th. Again, this energy can be used in two ways.

Positively, it can bring inspiration, a lot of plans, help at the right time. Negatively, it can indicate failures caused by an absence of plans, a lack of energy, obstinacy, stubbornness, narrow-mindedness.

Keeping you all up to date on the coming month in D.C. We will watch and see what happens, and if it relates to 6th and 9th house and 12th house matters.

housemouse
01-29-2009, 11:27 PM
Very bad storm coming for the entire east coast...

Not astrological, (unless we consider that nasty Saturn/Uranus opposition making a semisquare to the "north node") but nevertherless, a dire forecast! Get out, and get stocked up before Sunday, fellow sleuthers.

http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&date=2009-01-29_20:50

beckaroozie
01-30-2009, 12:39 AM
It just left us in Indiana HM - you sure better stock up! Take care and stay warm. :)

housemouse
01-30-2009, 09:00 AM
It just left us in Indiana HM - you sure better stock up! Take care and stay warm. :)

Becka, I am so sorry that there is yet another one on the way! Check the link!

Old Bird
01-30-2009, 06:54 PM
Old Bird, I enjoy a well-constructed conspiracy too!

I started at a young age, reading Taylor Caldwell. The age of the internet has helped create so many of them, though these are much more easily "de-constructed" than they used to be. Probably because of the age of the internet, and the basic fact that sleuthing is so much easier now, and any really big one would be very hard to keep a secret for long!

We should probably be thinking of how Saturn in Aries will deal with the challenge from Pluto. I hope some of the other astrologers will join us in speculation.

HM, there are a FEW conspiracy theories I find very interesting still. Maybe part of my continued curiosity is not having enough time to thoroughly do the required research. :rolleyes: I want to know what the real story is on TWA Flt 800. Wonder if there is a chart on the crash I can google ....

I am awaiting your insight, and agree, I hope others are or will become interested. Am especially interested in this one that you mentioned: "There will be a square forming between Saturn to Pluto later on this year. I will post more about that later." You mentioned it so you have to deliver! :) I've started reading some on Pluto in Capricorn ... verrrry interesting. Thx!!!

Take care, OB

Old Bird
01-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Martial Law.

Sounds like the Government will be getting prepared to enforce martial law if it becomes necessary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Deborah1012
01-30-2009, 09:39 PM
Thank you so much, I find these forecasts fascinating. I've been reading a vedic astrology site http://www.galacticcenter.org/ and the astrologer has her forecasts month by month for the coming year. This is Feb 2009:
There is a building of expectations with fears of when will we bottom out. For everyone knows emotions are high and expectations are extreme. The financial markets are on an emotional ride. The exact opposition of Uranus and Saturn is exact again on February 5th.
Neptune will enter into Aquarius February 13th promoting a new world order in the masses being swayed. This is a new movement toward spiritual truths and spiritual delusions.
There is a fine line between the spiritual and delusional. Neptune rules both, delusion and spirituality. There will be a rise in spiritual groups now. With spiritual and religious philosophies, there is the problem of people taking advantage of those who are easily swayed. When people hear what they want to hear and are given magic formulas to get what they want they will follow hook, line and sinker. Do not be swayed by leaders who promise you everything without you doing the work. On February 13th Mars will cross over the eclipse degree of the last January Solar eclipse of 12 degrees of Capricorn. This is a very sensitive point and it has severe repercussions. Mars crossed over an eclipse degree on September 11, 2001. Expect the unexpected! This is a dangerous time.
Align yourself with those who motivate and help you attain your own goals, not those who give empty promises for their own gain and egos. This can be hard to recognize at times, so rely on your intuition. If it feels wrong, pay attention. There will be a massive increase of cults and religious fanaticism in the world now.
Mars will conjunct Jupiter February 17th in Capricorn where Mars is exalted. On February 22nd and 23rd the Moon will conjunct these powerful planets, indicating some powerful changes within the government. Many new policies will begin to be put into action. This will create a big stir from many who are opposed to the radical changes. There is much confusion and fear.
Mars is volatile and strong this month and since it rules real estate this will indicate big shifts in the housing markets and volatile conditions that affect the banks and loans.
Have a look at March, it really sounds bad:
http://www.galacticcenter.org/predictions/world-predictions/march-2009.html

Deborah1012
01-31-2009, 10:29 AM
Hi Deborah,

Affliction is a state of being harmed or damaged. Generally, a planet (or point, e.g., ASCENDANT) is afflicted or harmed/damaged by being in hard aspect (square, opposition, sesquisquare, etc.) to a malefic (MARS/ SATURN/ PLUTO/ URANUS/ NEPTUNE). A planet can also be afflicted by being in a sign it cannot easily function in, such as MARS in Cancer (its Fall) or VENUS in Aries (its Detriment). Also, a planet or point can be afflicted by being in conjunction/ opposition to a malefic Fixed Star such as CAPUT ALGOL.

Exaltation is one of the Essential Dignities:

Rulership
Exaltation
Triplicity
Term
Face

VENUS in Pisces is Exalted. So is MARS in Capricorn, SATURN in Libra and JUPITER in Cancer. Exaltation gives the planet extra power/strength. See a Table of Essential Dignities here:

http://www.astrologycom.com/dignities.html

Thanks,
Soulscape
Thank you very much, that was a great explanation!

housemouse
01-31-2009, 10:42 AM
Sounds like the Government will be getting prepared to enforce martial law if it becomes necessary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

I hadn't seen that video, Old Bird. It scares the daylights out of me. Under the Saturn/Pluto square coming in November, and lasting on and off into 2010, something like this is entirely possible.

housemouse
01-31-2009, 10:50 AM
In checking out the first Saturn/Pluto waning square in November, the inevitable question comes to mind.

Which chart do we use for the USA? There is a lot of debate about the actual time to use. Some use 5:10 PM, some swear by
2:21 PM, and at least one respected financial astrologer prefers July 2nd at 5:43 PM.

I found that the 5:10 PM chart worked perfectly for the WTC attack, Those who prefer the 2:21 PM chart argue that the 5:10 doesn't work as well over all the events in our history as the 2:21 time. They also can explain the timing of the WTC attack with that time.

I am wondering if any of you other astrologers have an opinion. Probably it would be sensible to watch the November Saturn/Pluto square, and see which of the three seems to work the best.

I am checking midpoints for all three, and will post later which of the USA midpoints show up as in hard aspect.

Carolina Girl
01-31-2009, 11:56 AM
I hadn't seen that video, Old Bird. It scares the daylights out of me. Under the Saturn/Pluto square coming in November, and lasting on and off into 2010, something like this is entirely possible.

I saw that speech when he gave it. It scared me then, and still does.

Soulscape
01-31-2009, 08:11 PM
In checking out the first Saturn/Pluto waning square in November, the inevitable question comes to mind.

Which chart do we use for the USA? There is a lot of debate about the actual time to use. Some use 5:10 PM, some swear by
2:21 PM, and at least one respected financial astrologer prefers July 2nd at 5:43 PM.

I found that the 5:10 PM chart worked perfectly for the WTC attack, Those who prefer the 2:21 PM chart argue that the 5:10 doesn't work as well over all the events in our history as the 2:21 time. They also can explain the timing of the WTC attack with that time.

I am wondering if any of you other astrologers have an opinion. Probably it would be sensible to watch the November Saturn/Pluto square, and see which of the three seems to work the best.

I am checking midpoints for all three, and will post later which of the USA midpoints show up as in hard aspect.

Housemouse, there's another chart that might be very interesting to track. It's called the Regulus USA National Chart, developed by an Astrologer who calls himself Dr. H and put out by Regulus Astrology.

4 July 1776
6:17:37 PM LMT
Philadelphia, PA
Ascendant = 26 SA 54' 40"

There is a nice description and review of the work at Dave R.'s site, Astroamerica.com

http://astroamerica.com/rectify.html#r135

Thanks,
Soulscape

housemouse
01-31-2009, 11:47 PM
Thanks, Soulscape!

Will be checking it tomorrow.

housemouse
02-01-2009, 12:07 AM
Just found this, and I am praying that this guy is wrong!

Could this be what is coming with the Saturn/Pluto waning square? We all better prepare to hunker down!


http://market-ticker.org/archives/759-Here-It-Comes.html

Old Bird
02-01-2009, 02:34 PM
:eek: YIKES & DOUBLE YIKES!!! Agree HM, hope this is wrong. But as I am reading more on this topic, I am seeing some common themes :eek: that don't look so promising. :eek::eek::eek: I worry about our kids & grandkids!

I WONDER if it's possible that things will turn around. I'm afraid that we would need to clean house & put some honest people in office for BIG & positive changes to happen. Not saying they are all crooks, but TOO MANY!!!

IMO, instead of Drill Baby Drill we need to Pray Baby Pray!!! BIG TIME!

Moe
02-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Amen! We need to tread very carefully in these trying times, my husband says I read too much. Look at California, they are halting tax refunds, welfare and subsidized day care. We live in New York, I sent my taxes in three days ago because I fear we may be in the same boat.

Soulscape
02-02-2009, 09:03 AM
Just found this, and I am praying that this guy is wrong!

Could this be what is coming with the Saturn/Pluto waning square? We all better prepare to hunker down!


http://market-ticker.org/archives/759-Here-It-Comes.html


Hopefully it won't be as bad as this guy predicts --- yet I fear he is right --- the systems in place are broken beyond fixing.

So a question Housemouse --- do we put our money (as little as it may be) under the mattress?

And if it all goes to hell in a handbasket, what good would paper dollars be, anyway???

Those who can would be better off obtaining a property with a working fresh water well and growing a big vegetable garden....

And as several of you have mentioned, it sure doesn't hurt to pray.

Love,
Soulscape

housemouse
02-02-2009, 11:25 AM
I am certainly in no position to know what to do with our carefully saved pieces of pretty green paper (or those digital figures in the local bank)!

We have been self-employed since the early 1980s, and every time we got a bit ahead in our savings, the tax laws changed to our disadvantage. We are facing retirement with just enough in the bank for about a year, maybe two if we eat beans and rice.

All I can suggest for those at our level is to build a good stockpile of food, clothing, and household necessities to last as long as possible.

I am one of those who do not think anything coming from Washington will fix this. It is in the hands of God, who warned us that there would be "seven fat years and seven lean years".

So, we must prepare for the lean years as best we can, considering our individual circumstances. We have, by choice, a tiny house with a central wood-burning stove, our own well, and enough land to grow some of our own veggies. We are too old to care for chickens and milk goats, unfortunately.

I am a good knitter and seamstress, so I am prepared to barter my hand-knitted socks and clothing repair in exchange. for eggs, milk, and modest amounts of meat. There are amish in our area, and they may be able to help us if things get really bad.

But, Saturn is going to square Pluto no matter what anyone does. The best way to deal with these energies is to prepare ourselves, spiritually and mentally. To develop self-discipline, to be tenacious and tough, willing to work very hard in order to endure. That is the positive use of Saturn and Pluto.

It will be a time for seclusion and renunciation.


And, I say again. Elected representatives in Washington who think they can spend our money to avoid or "fix" this are just deluded or liars. All they can do is make it worse. They should, if they were true leaders, be preparing the nation for the hard times ahead.

Think about that.

Deborah1012
02-02-2009, 02:46 PM
And, I say again. Elected representatives in Washington who think they can spend our money to avoid or "fix" this are just deluded or liars. All they can do is make it worse. They should, if they were true leaders, be preparing the nation for the hard times ahead.

Think about that.

I can't tell you how very much I agree with what you say. It gets scarier by the day and I don't see that anyone has any idea of how to fix it because I think it's unfixable at this point.
- get this - latest Yahoo headline -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090202/ap_on_bi_ge/obama_economy
President Barack Obama said Monday that “very modest differences” over a massive package to revive the economy should not delay its swift passage, a fresh appeal to Congress as the nation dealt with another dose of dire financial news.
- who does he think he is kidding?? - there is nothing “modest” about these differences…

Moe
02-02-2009, 03:18 PM
I have to agree with you both, many government officials are only concerned with the next election, sad to say. It's not fair to saddle future generations with this kind of debt.

Sonne
02-02-2009, 04:41 PM
Madame Secretary of State Clinton was sworn in today at 4:13 PM EST.

I don't trust her as far as I can throw her, nor do I even like her. I'd be interested in seeing what a chart drawn up for the swearing in would show. I don't think she's qualified, either. TIA

ValleySailor
02-02-2009, 08:34 PM
Have any other Geminis been severely affected by the recent Mercury retrograde that just ended yesterday? The last three weeks have been torturous with anything to do with communications on every level. Or is it just me??

housemouse
02-02-2009, 11:23 PM
I will try to get Hillary's swearing in posted tomorrow, and will do my best to point out both the positive and negative probable manifestations of any major aspects.

We do not have a verified accurate birth time for her, so that makes Moon and houseplacement unavailable for analysis.

And, a gentle reminder that we will have to try to keep our individual political opinions down to gentle comments. If we get into a political food fight, we will get in trouble with Tricia. She has provided a private forum where we can debate until our fingers get numb!

FifthEssence
02-03-2009, 12:35 AM
Have any other Geminis been severely affected by the recent Mercury retrograde that just ended yesterday? The last three weeks have been torturous with anything to do with communications on every level. Or is it just me??

Welcome Valley Sailor!:)
Many experienced some problems w/Mercury going Retrograde. Even here at WS, they had multiple problems w/servers, many of our members were complaining about their computers not performing properly even crashing; many played phone tag for days, the jet landing in the Hudson, verbal misunderstandings, Google having world wide glitches, problems executing contracts and agreements.....

There are some who do well during this period IF Merc is Rx in their own birth chart w/ good aspects. Evidently you aren't one of those and neither was I.


(will copy this post and place in our Astrology-General Thread)

housemouse
02-03-2009, 11:25 AM
When looking at this chart, keep in mind that Hillary was sworn in before yesterday's ceremony. So, I am wondering if this chart will supercede the former swearing in.

Maybe someone can sleuth up the prior swearing- in, soeach can be followed to see which one seems more sensitive?

Comments on it will be in the next post. Feel free to jump in, even if you are new to the study of mundane astrology. We are eager to see how you all are coming along!


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/HillarysSwearingIn.jpg

housemouse
02-03-2009, 12:26 PM
Taking a very quick look, I see two interesting midpoints. One could be considered very positive, and one difficult.

Positively, and very interesting is Jupiter = Sun/Mars midpoint. COSI suggests this lends:

a positive outlook, the striving for power, "The Civil Servant", the taking of possession, successful activity.

But Mars = Neptune/Pluto;

This suggests a lack of energy, the misforune to be used as a tool for other people's interest, a lack of resistance and stamina, the tendency to succumb to external powers

You will notice that Mars is almost exactly conjunct the descendant, opposing the ascendant. This adds to the picture in that:

the tendency to force one's will on others, the ability to lead or guide resolutely, active teamwork, but negatively used, quarrels, conflicts, disputes

The Mercury/Jupiter midpoint is just within allowable orb, and perhaps this will help a bit;

The execution of plans, action guided by common sense, a good critic, speaking and acting in coordination, a successful discussion or conference

Organizing ability,arranging everything successfully

But we must remember that every midpoint has both positive and negative manifestation. If the Mercury/Jupiter energy is used negatively, it will indicate;

Failure through dishonesty, negligence, or clumsiness, fraud, calumny*

I had to look up the definition of "calumny", because I had no idea what the word meant. Here is the definition...

A false statement maliciously made to injure another's reputation.

The utterance of maliciously false statements; slander.

Both Venus and the Ascendant/Descend degree being the 29th degree of Pisces and Cancer respectively is interesting. Maybe others can add to this quick look at the Swearing-In chart from their own area of expertise.

Soulscape
02-03-2009, 09:42 PM
Housemouse, as I'm sure you've noticed, this swearing-in chart has the very late Ascendant 29:33 Cancer. In Horary Astrology, such a late Ascendant carries the meaning of **too late** to influence anything. The question/ condition/ situation is already too advanced to pull a valid answer out of the chart.

Maybe the late Ascendant doesn't apply to Mundane charts. (I don't know, since Mundane is not my focus...).

Nonetheless, it makes me wonder, if the previous swearing-in chart may be the one to use (assuming we can get the date & time)?

Thanks,
Soulscape

housemouse
02-03-2009, 10:11 PM
I am looking ahead at President Obama's chart, and listing the stressful aspects to his natal planets.

Around Feb 5th, Mars will conjunct his Jupiter, and then will oppose his Mercury on Feb. 7th. Positively, we can expect great oratory with this influence, but negatively, there could be failure due to negligence, clumsiness, or dishonesty. If his birth certificate is accurate, this falls across his 12th/6th, with transiting Mars in the 12th.

Starting on Feb 9th, transiting Jupiter, in the 12th, will be within orb of square to his Neptune in the 9th, be exact on Feb 11th, and will leave orb on Feb 13th. The positive way this aspect could be used is the pursuit of idealistic inclinations. Negatively used, it could signify losses, a scandal caused by instability, and political conflicts.

Mars will be in sesquiquadrate to his natal Mars, exact on the 14th, and will then square his Neptune on the 15th, and oppose his Sun on the 20th. Again, this energy can be used in two ways.

Positively, it can bring inspiration, a lot of plans, help at the right time. Negatively, it can indicate failures caused by an absence of plans, a lack of energy, obstinacy, stubbornness, narrow-mindedness.

Keeping you all up to date on the coming month in D.C. We will watch and see what happens, and if it relates to 6th and 9th house and 12th house matters.

Looks like it MIGHT relate to the military, which is a 6th house matter! Feb 5th is only 2 days off!

Here is a thread that discusses some major discontent among our high-up Generals, including Petraus and Gates. I have no way of knowing whether the info is accurate, but thought it interesting. Time will tell, of course!

So, we will watch and see.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2177729/posts

Moe
02-03-2009, 10:27 PM
Looks like it MIGHT relate to the military, which is a 6th house matter! Feb 5th is only 2 days off!

Here is a thread that discusses some major discontent among our high-up Generals, including Petraus and Gates. I have no way of knowing whether the info is accurate, but thought it interesting. Time will tell, of course!

So, we will watch and see.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2177729/posts
Could it be the stimulus package does not pass?

housemouse
02-03-2009, 10:35 PM
That might happen too, Moe. From what I am hearing on the news, and reading on the web, there seems to be some confusion/deception about the "stimulus package"

Many are saying that it is more like a "pork package" full of all sorts of stuff we will be stuck with forever, like huge increases in medicaid that we all know will never be "undone".

How that will stimulate the economy is beyond me!

housemouse
02-03-2009, 10:38 PM
Just ran a check on the USA chart.

Noticed that the Saturn/Uranus opposition is squaring the US Mars. I probably mentioned that before, but in light of the last post about the Generals being unhappy with Obama's plans to withdraw combat troops from Iraq, it struck me that Mars in the US chart also refers to our military.

I am as nervous as a cat in a roomful of rocking chairs, folks.

February looks like a rocky month for the USA.

Moe
02-03-2009, 11:06 PM
That might happen too, Moe. From what I am hearing on the news, and reading on the web, there seems to be some confusion/deception about the "stimulus package"

Many are saying that it is more like a "pork package" full of all sorts of stuff we will be stuck with forever, like huge increases in medicaid that we all know will never be "undone".

How that will stimulate the economy is beyond me!
Good, we need help but rushing into it is not the right way to go.

housemouse
02-03-2009, 11:08 PM
That might happen too, Moe. From what I am hearing on the news, and reading on the web, there seems to be some confusion/deception about the "stimulus package"

Many are saying that it is more like a "pork package" full of all sorts of stuff we will be stuck with forever, like huge increases in medicaid that we all know will never be "undone".

How that will stimulate the economy is beyond me!

More on how we are being "deceived" (Neptune) by the "Stimulus Package"!

• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.

• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.

• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.

• $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.

• $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.

• $850 million for Amtrak.

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.

• $75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.

Sanddollar14
02-04-2009, 08:09 AM
Housemouse, where did you find that information about the stimulus plan?

housemouse
02-04-2009, 10:17 AM
I found it in several place, and went to the original article on the CNN website.

Here is the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/index.html

Just found another link to the growing dissent on the bill in the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020304024.html?hpid=topnews

housemouse
02-04-2009, 10:36 AM
Moe, you might be right about the "Stimulus" Plan. Every news site I read this morning seems to be pointing to problems in trying to pass the darn monstrosity!

Here is one from the Wall Street Journal. Tomorrow is the fifth, the first of the three difficult periods for Obama this month.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123369271403544637.html

Moe
02-04-2009, 10:42 AM
Oh I hope so! I don't want this kind of debt facing our nation. Our children and grandchildren deserve more. So much of this bill seems wasteful to me, thanks for the list!

housemouse
02-04-2009, 11:12 AM
Moe, I am posting a "bi-wheel" chart for the USA. USA planets are in the middle circle, and today's transits are in the outer circle.

I notice that transiting Pluto is opposing the USA Venus, from the second house to the 8th house, respectively. This aspect may have more to do with the financial mess than Obama's transits.

Pluto brings things to light. Venus rules our money and values. So Pluto is exposing the pork in the stimulus bill, the massive debt we will owe, or the taxes we will have to pay. These are all 8th house matters, as are banks and investment firms.

I also wonder if the exposure of so many DC pols cheating on their taxes is related to the Pluto opposition USA Venus. Obama has come out with cap on the salaries paid to the bankers, which bothers me in principle. Here is a link to read:

http://townhall.com/columnists/DonaldLambro/2009/02/04/tax_cheats_put_white_house_on_the_defensive

If he can do this, what will stop him from deciding how much the rest of us can make?

Anyway, here is the chart for you to scrutinize. Learn what the little glyphs mean, and lean to look for the "hard" aspects. Ignore the "easy ones.

Hard aspect are those that divide into 360 by 2, 4, and 8. Easy are those that divide into 360 by 3 and 6.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/USABi-wheel.jpg

PS: Support for stimulus drops to 37%, as Obama is making a speech about it!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

housemouse
02-04-2009, 11:53 AM
Interesting article from Human Events page! I didn't even know about this separate $500 billion dollar omnibus appropriations bill....

Notice the bolded part, which I bolded because it so clearly fits the Pluto opposition USA Venus energy!

"House Republicans have challenged Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to release the details of the expected $500 billion proposed omnibus appropriations legislation encompassing the nine remaining spending bills for fiscal year 2009. Entirely separate from the $1.2 trillion Democrat “stimulus” spending bill passed by the House last week with no Republican support, this additional estimated half-trillion dollar omnibus spending bill was scheduled for consideration as early as today. Pelosi removed the bill from the legislative calendar yesterday amid Democrat fears that the actual omnibus spending bill may help scuttle passage of the trillion-dollar “stimulus” spending bill already in very deep trouble in the Senate.

House Republican Conference chairman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) and Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.), ranking member of the House Legislative Branch Appropriations Subcommittee, challenged the Democratic leadership to make the omnibus spending bill available on the internet -- now -- for public review.

“There were some estimates that it [the actual omnibus spending bill] would be upwards to $500 billion, and I know I speak for my colleague and for all House Republicans when I say that we urge the Democratic leadership and Chairman Obey to release that bill to the public,” Pence said. “For whatever reason, the bill has been delayed. We believe this is an opportunity for even greater public scrutiny and we, today, are urging Chairman Obey and the Democratic leadership to make the omnibus bill available to the public on the internet and to the media so that it can be examined. We can use this additional time to make sure the American people know both the broad outlines and the specific details of the next massive government spending bill. … We take President Obama at his word; that he wants to bring a new era of transparency to the process of developing the nation’s laws and spending the people’s money.”

House Republicans have not been given a copy of the omnibus spending bill, as was the case with the so-called stimulus bill which has little to do with actually stimulating the economy but uses the urgency of this economic crisis to try to sneak through hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayers' money as payoffs to Democrat constituencies. Due to the disingenuous manner in which the so-called stimulus bill was engineered, Republicans are vigorously calling for transparency in regard to release of the omnibus spending bill.

Public support for the “stimulus” spending bill continues to plummet as more hidden wasteful spending is exposed daily. According to a new Gallup poll released yesterday, only 38% of Americans believe that President Obama’s so-called stimulus bill should be passed “as Barack Obama proposed it” while 37% believe the bill should “undergo major changes.” 17% believe that the plan should be “rejected outright,” with 8% having “no position.”

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) continued his efforts to expose non-stimulus-related items, this time in the Senate bill.

Boehner today released a new list of spending items congressional Republicans have identified in the Senate version as unrelated to significant job creation that included $20 million “for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers”; $25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails; $34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce headquarters, and $70 million to “Support Supercomputing Activities” for climate research.

I asked Boehner spokesman Mike Steel yesterday about the momentum Republicans have as the Senate begins debate on the legislation and about a panicked Pelosi pulling the omnibus bill. Steel told me, “After the American people, House Republicans, and almost a dozen House Democrats last week rejected the ridiculous and wasteful provisions in their trillion-dollar spending bill, it seems that the House Democratic leadership wanted to take a week off before trying to cram through another half-a-trillion dollars in government spending. That is good news, but this is a marathon, not a sprint. We’ve got a lot more work to do, and it is going to require continued vigilance on the part of Congressional Republicans and the American people to hold the big-spending Democratic leadership accountable. We can never forget that by standing together, and standing on the side of the taxpayers, House Republicans can win any debate, even if we lose the vote.”

Connie Hair is a freelance writer, a former speechwriter for Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) and a former media and coalitions advisor to the Senate Republican Conference.

Link for those preferring to read the original source:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30554

FifthEssence
02-04-2009, 02:25 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

The recent 'general' INQUIRY by Deborah1012 " what does it mean when a planet is 'afflicted' or 'exhaulted' and answered by our SOULSCAPE has been moved to the 'Forensic Astrology-GENERAL' thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77544

We have the LIBRARY thread which provides informative resources and places to go when you are looking for answers to the workings of astrology and it's applications.

Should you have a 'general question' about Astrology, go ahead and post those queries in the GENERAL Thread.

Sonne
02-04-2009, 04:22 PM
Thank you housemouse for the chart about Hillary's swearing in. I haven't been able to find a time for the first swearing in.

I apologize for voicing my opinions of her.

******

I've been reading a lot of astrology sites about this very issue, and I came across this from Richard Noelle. Here are his predictions for last year. He is spot on and it kept me awake last night. :eek:

The big story for 2008, in a word, is money. It's much bigger than that, actually; but that's the headline. Money is an obvious and visible manifestation of the historic changes we're living through at the moment; it's also the foundation of our global civilization, and it's crumbling faster than most people might have imagined just a few years ago. This may sound at least politically incorrect, if not horribly crass and abysmally materialistic. But the simple fact is that money is a way of valuing what's important to humans, and without it there's no accountability, no responsibility - ultimately, only anarchy. And the money, in a word, is gone.

The headline for the year will be a global financial system in crisis, teetering at the precipice. It's a crisis that got going in a big way over the past two years, exactly as I predicted in my 2006 and 2007 forecasts. But the underlying story, the real deal, is that this is part of the ongoing and historic shift in civilization I've been writing about in my forecasts these past several years. It hit critical mass, as I have written, under the aegis of the 2006 Saturn-Jupiter-Neptune T-square configuration (the first of its kind since the year 536), and the subsequent 2006-2007 Saturn-Neptune opposition. These in turn are rooted in what the astrologers of old called the Trigonalis, the historic watershed we've all been living in since 1980-81 and which culminates in 2020. The Saturn-Uranus opposition and Neptune-lunar node conjunction of 2008 are the next steps along the way. These things need some explaining, and I'll get to that. But first . . .

Apocalyptic hysteria is spreading like wildfire, what with the "liquidity crisis" staring us in the face and the 2012 Mayan madness looming around the corner. I'm sure it sells books and glues eyeballs to the cable networks, but it's a lie. In the first place, the problem isn't a liquidity crisis per se. That's a euphemism, a way of avoiding the reality; which is that the global financial system is a charade, because what passes for money is in fact a sham. It's all very convenient to blame the liquidity crisis on those shiftless, sub-prime poor folks who conned unsuspecting lenders into issuing them mortgages for homes they couldn't afford. Or the crafty lenders who conned naïve borrowers into taking mortgages they couldn't afford. Or the greedy financiers who packaged up and unloaded those toxic mortgages onto banks and pension funds and hedge funds. The fact is that in a system of fiat money, where credit is created out of debt, the pursuit of ever-higher returns on investment is the only thing that keeps the whole system from crashing down. But there comes a time when that pursuit becomes unsustainable. We hit that wall in 2006-2007, as Saturn opposed Neptune in the heavens, just exactly as I predicted: "it's an alignment that points to a time when people, both individually and collectively, are experiencing a crisis of confidence. What was once apparently so solid and real that you could build a life, a financial system, a global trade network, even a civilization on it: that's just what has been dissolving under the aegis of Saturn's opposition to Neptune in combination with the T-square from Jupiter."

We're going to be dealing with the consequences of this turning point for some time to come . . . well past 2012 in fact, because the world won’t end then. Why would anyone believe a bunch of wacky Mayans silly enough to mistake Spaniards for gods, anyway? In short, this is not a time to despair, but to prepare. What to prepare for? Not just a monetary meltdown, although that's certainly part of it. Practically speaking, this means a continuing dollar collapse of course, but also a collapse of the yen, the pound, the euro - all the major currencies, because they're all essentially counterfeit. They aren't real money, in other words; they're only bank notes. The dollar may be up or down against the euro or pound this month or next; but in the long run, they'll all be down against gold, silver and the like until such time as the currencies once again are backed by real money. And that time is coming . . .

Ever since shortly after the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of 1940-41, the entire world financial system has been dollar-based - and the dollar is broke, people. Not just the US Federal Reserve, but central banks all over the world - all of which have substantial dollar reserves - will eventually be forced to do what for several years I've recommended individuals do: buy gold (and other precious metals, but primarily gold). And for the same reason: the longer they hold dollars (or yen or euros or what-have-you), the less they're worth. (With Jupiter in Capricorn all year, the products of lands and mines and wells - and the producers of the equipment and providers of the services essential to that production - are where the real money is.)

In the broader sense, what we're going through now are the death throes of one historical epoch, and the birth pangs of the next; the torch passing from one form of civilization to its successor. Is it any wonder that Saturn, whose Greek name (Chronos) is the root of chronology and all measures of time, is the celestial signal that marks off these shifts from one epoch to the next?

Speaking of the Ringed Planet, Saturn aligns in opposition to Uranus in 2008, for the first time in over forty years. The opposition of these two planets tends to come in sets of several, over a period of a couple years. The last set of Saturn-Uranus oppositions, for example, occurred in 1965-1967, and included five alignments in all. Two of these occurred with Saturn retrograde, and three with Uranus retrograde, all in the Virgo-Pisces polarity. The US Mint stopped producing silver coins around the time of this particular set of oppositions, and the US Treasury stopped redeeming Silver Certificates as well. Reality went out of monetary circulation because the US dollar had been sufficiently devalued that the silver in a silver dollar was worth more than a dollar. That's what Saturn-Uranus oppositions do: they replace a bankrupt regime with a new one, because the old fiction becomes too expensive to maintain.

The next set (2056-57) comprises only three Saturn-Uranus oppositions, and is relatively quick in passing. But this time around, the alignment of these two planets at opposite ends of the heavens stretches out from 2008 into 2010. The opposition is exact five times, from November 4, 2008 to July 26, 2010. Once again, this set includes two alignments with Saturn retrograde and Uranus direct, and three with Saturn direct and Uranus retrograde. The first four alignments are in the Virgo-Pisces polarity, like every other Saturn-Uranus opposition since August 13, 1919. And then things change: the July 26, 2010 alignment slides into the Aries-Libra polarity, where it will remain well into the next century. It's the first sign change for this opposition since the 1918-1920 set, which began in Leo-Aquarius in 1918 and slid into Virgo-Pisces in 1919. Saturn-Uranus oppositions won't change signs again until 2146.

With the first polarity change in the Saturn-Uranus opposition since 1919 coming into play in the current sequence of oppositions between these two planets, the World-War I era - the League of Nations, the IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank - is finally coming to an end. So is the era of the Industrial Revolution, which historians date to the late 18th and early 19th Centuries - coinciding with the beginning of the current earth sign series of Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions. These were the two outermost planets known to the ancients, the two slowest moving wandering celestial orbs visible to the naked eye. Their conjunctions, when they appear to come together in the night sky, were the longest and therefore most historic planetary alignment cycles dealt with in ancient astrology. They remain a foundation for the astrological study of history, although the discovery of other more distant planets since the invention of the telescope provides astrologers with a great many more and longer-term cycles; e.g. the Saturn-Uranus and Saturn-Neptune cycles.

The alignment of Jupiter and Saturn at twenty-year intervals was known from ancient times as the Great Chronocrator, because it was observed to time significant turning points in civilization - indeed, entire eras, when the alignment changed element. (The change of element is termed the Trigonalis.) Until 1802, the Great Chronocrator had taken place in an unbroken series in the fire signs of the zodiac (Aries, Leo and Cancer), dating back to 1663. The shift into signs of the earth element began with the Virgo conjunction on July 17, 1802. This ushered in a period of transition that was interrupted by one final fire sign conjunction (in Aries, on Jun 19, 1821), before an unbroken series in the earth element began with the Capricorn conjunction of 1842.

The 1802-1842 period neatly brackets the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, although the precise dating of this turning point in civilization remains a subject of debate among historians. Simultaneously, modern capitalism ("finance capitalism") supplanted mercantilism as the prevailing economic system during this period, a transition first formalized de jure in Great Britain in the 1840s by the repeal of the Corn Laws and the Navigation Acts (in 1846 and 1849 respectively). The two went hand in hand: you can't have industrialism without expanding markets, and you can't have expanding markets without credit. Factories require banks, in other words. The Industrial Revolution was a Capital Revolution.

Fine points aside, it's clear that the transition from an economy (and more broadly, a civilization) based on manual labor to one based on mechanization (and the capitalist system required to fund it) roughly coincided with the beginning of the current earth sign series of the Great Chronocrator, which dates back to the period from 1802 (the earth sign alignment that broke the fire sign series) to 1842 (the beginning of an unbroken series of earth sign conjunctions). We may as well distinguish these Trigonalis periods as stretching from a dawn that coincides with the first out-of-element Chronocrator (the first one to break the old element series), to a dusk that coincides with the first in a long unbroken series in the new element. In that sense, we're now more than halfway from dawn to dusk in the current Trigonalis, the transition to a new order of the ages that will last for the better part of a couple centuries.

The earth sign Chronocrator series that ushered in industrialization and the civilization that embraced it is now itself in a period of transition into the next element series, which comprises the air signs (Gemini, Libra and Aquarius). The first air sign Chronocrator in centuries (since 1405, actually) happened in 1980-81, when a Libra triple conjunction broke into the earth sign run: the dawn of the new Trigonalis. However this was followed in 2000 by the last of the earth element series, the May 28 alignment at 22° 43' Taurus. The continuous air element Chronocrators begin in 2020, with the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in Aquarius: the dusk of the current Trigonalis. The air sign series is then unbroken until 2159, when these two planets align in the water sign Scorpio. This ushers in the dawn of a new Trigonalis, which includes a return to the air element for the conjunctions of 2179 and 2199, before the continuous water element series begins in 2219 (carrying through to 2318).

The last earth to air Trigonalis occurred in 1166-1226, initiating a period of less than a century during which "there were more inventions developed and applied usefully than in the previous thousand years of human history." (See Wikipedia, "Renaissance of the 12th Century".) In retrospect, 1980 is just far enough back to seem historic from the perspective of today's culture of immediacy. That first air sign conjunction in centuries brought the popularization of the personal computer, followed shortly afterwards by the first generation cell phones: two developments very much in tune with the intellectual and communicative nature of the air element. (Arguably, both technologies had their antecedents; but their current manifestations are clearly recognizable in the wake of the 1980 Chronocrator.)

Connectivity is certainly a keyword of the promise held out by the air sign series, if its 1980 harbinger is any real indication. It's a peculiarly impersonal kind of connectivity, a virtual rather than real connection - and yet, it passes for real. People are in touch, but not touching. They're aware of so much, yet they fully grasp very little; they're smart, but not wise. The network is the thing. In short, the Chronocrator element change in 1980 heralded a fundamental shift in civilization, from earth (industrialization and finance capitalism) to air (virtualization, and a new economic order). Virtualization means globalization, and that's the one key outline of the new world order that's undeniably well underway. The earth sign Chronocrator series saw the rise of the modern nation-state, while the air sign series launched what is now glibly called globalization - which amounts to a dissolving of nation-states. Look around you, see the things that have grown up since 1980: the European Union, NAFTA, the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its emergence as an oligarchic capitalist entity, Red Capitalism in China, outsourcing, off-shoring, etc., etc.

Judging from past Trigonalis periods, I think the one we're in now will lead to a new currency regime. This time, it will be global, and it won't be based on one particular national currency. The last Trigonalis, from 1802 to 1842, set the stage for the Bank of England going on the gold standard (per the 1844 Bank Charter Act). The 1940-1941 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in Taurus was followed in short order by the Atlantic Charter, which set in motion the process that led to the 1944 Bretton Woods Agreement. In essence, Bretton Woods made the US dollar the money of the world. Which was all well in good as long as the dollar was backed by something real; namely gold. Unfortunately, the US stopped redeeming dollars in gold on August 15, 1971 - right in the middle of a triple Saturn-Neptune opposition, the last such alignment of these two planets prior to their 2006-2007 triple opposition. Since that time, the dollar is no longer real money, only bank notes, mere digits.

Neptune alignments have had a curious connection with historic financial developments, from the closing of the gold window in 1971 to the liquidity crisis of 2006-2007. There's another such Neptune alignment this year, to the Moon's north node. The lunar nodes are the points at which the plane of the Moon's orbit intersects the plane of Earth's orbit around the Sun (the ecliptic). Eclipses of the Sun and Moon occur because these two orbital planes cross, and when they do happen they always take place near the lunar nodes - within about 18° at most. There are two nodes, one for each point of intersection between the orbits of Earth and Moon. The north node is the point at which the Moon rises from below (south of) to above (north of) the ecliptic: it's the northward crossing, hence the name. Likewise, the south node is the Moon's southward crossing of the ecliptic. The Moon makes each crossing once a month in the course of its orbit around the Earth. When one of these crossings takes place at a time when Earth and Sun are aligned near enough the nodal degrees, an eclipse occurs: a lunar eclipse if there's a full moon, a solar eclipse if there's a new moon.

Eclipses are always important telltales of the cosmos in their own right, and I'll have more to say about the four eclipses of 2008 a little later. For now, those nodes where the eclipses happen are the focus, because they're involved in an unusual alignment this year. It's a factor that gives the year's eclipses a special importance and significance. This year, for the first time in 17 years, the Moon's north node will align in the same degree of the zodiac as the planet Neptune, at 24° Aquarius. It's the first conjunction in that sign since 1841 - the year of the first in a continuous series of earth sign Chronocrators, remember? - and the first in that very spot in the heavens (to the nearest degree) since 1189 (during the last earth-to-air Trigonalis, remember?).

Any planet that's on or fairly near the nodal axis - as Neptune is in 2008 - is bound to be aligned with an eclipse. That makes planetary conjunctions and oppositions to the lunar nodes a signal that eclipses taking place around the time of these planetary-nodal alignments will be colored by the nature of the planet in the alignment. Any eclipse represents an emphasis on things signified by the Sun, Earth and Moon - the three bodies in the eclipse. Of course this means geophysical phenomena, such as storms and seismic disturbances. But these three are the substrata of all human experience, from gender to food to territory and power. Last year, the eclipses took place in Virgo-Pisces, with Saturn in Virgo opposing the Moon's north node. (The lunar eclipse of August 28 was directly opposite Saturn.) It was, generally speaking, a year - and it really hit home in August - that was all about Saturn: debts coming due, people coming up short, money and security vanishing, hard times particularly with regard to health care and foodstuffs, etc.

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(continue on next post)

Sonne
02-04-2009, 04:23 PM
With Neptune on the north lunar node in 2008, this year's eclipses are Neptunian in nature as they slide from the Virgo-Pisces polarity into Leo-Aquarius. February and August are the months to watch. The solar eclipse on February 7 is conjunct Neptune, as is the lunar eclipse on August 16. This in effect extends the 2006-2007 Saturn-Neptune opposition theme: a loss of confidence, the money's gone, misplaced faith, theft and deception (including self-deception), the Emperor has no clothes. This operates at a lot of levels, to be sure. But given what has already gone before, and the fact that we're having a Saturn-Uranus opposition this year as well, I have to think the currency crisis now underway gets a whole lot bigger in 2008. And the Saturn-Uranus opposition speaks of international conferences addressing what has become a global financial crisis.

I don't see a solution this year, mind you. Saturn and Uranus make their on-and-off opposition last until 2010, after all. The fix begins in 2008, probably after the US Presidential election, but it takes years until the fix is in. That's because just about everybody's ox is going to get gored, before this is done. And since the fix has always been and will ever be a hard money foundation underlying paper currency, you can expect that the international experts will ultimately agree on things like gold, silver, platinum and the like being basic to whatever solution arises. Other commodities will be argued for and accepted to some degree (oil, uranium, silicon chips, photovoltaic cells, etc.), but the foundation will be the precious metals because they are in fact a store of value: always have been, always will be. And, incidentally, an essential part of this restoration entails the price of precious metals skyrocketing in the process of liquidating debt. If that doesn't tell you what to do, you haven't been paying attention . . .

I mentioned Neptune's connection with the eclipses of 2008, and certainly these alignments will bring times of particular social, economic and political significance. But eclipses - and SuperMoons as well - are also notable in their own right, as indicators of geophysical surges affecting everything on Earth.

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You can read the rest here:

http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2008-all.html

Sonne
02-04-2009, 04:27 PM
Here is 2009 if you're interested:

http://www.astropro.com/homeNS45.html

Sanddollar14
02-04-2009, 08:04 PM
I found it in several place, and went to the original article on the CNN website.

Here is the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/index.html

Just found another link to the growing dissent on the bill in the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020304024.html?hpid=topnews

Thanks housemouse. I had not read that all that money was on the bill. This is getting scary. I keep wondering how to plan and take some kind of action now to make things not so bad a year from now, but it is tough to know what to do. Thanks for all your charts and explanations.

housemouse
02-04-2009, 11:47 PM
Here is 2009 if you're interested:

http://www.astropro.com/homeNS45.html

Thanks for posting this, Cotton Candy. It is good to read how other reliable astrologers are forecasting.

housemouse
02-04-2009, 11:50 PM
There are articles hitting the web tonight, and some radio stations reporting that Geithner supports a proposal put forth by Barney Frank to extend the limits on executive pay ceilings to ALL US COMPANIES!

Tomorrow should be a very interesting day. I wonder what the reaction will be in the press?

Link included below:

http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090203/REG/902039977/1003/TOC

IWannaKnow
02-05-2009, 03:11 PM
Hello forensic astrologers. I've not posted in this thread before, but I do read here, and want to say "Good Job"!

I've read this entire thread today and want to tell a little story.......the Bretton Woods treaty was signed near where I live. 4.5 miles down the road is the AMC Highland Center......A little know Native American story from the area is that an enormous burial mound was located at the original location of the Highland Center (4.5 miles from Bretton Woods, which wasn't there at the time, nothing was but wilderness :crazy:) and upon the invasion of the white man, a Native warrior stood atop that mound and proclaimed that "The Great Spirit whispered in my ear, no pale-face shall take deep roots here.'"

But white man kept trying, and his efforts kept burning to the ground.

http://cowhampshire.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/4/20/1898705.html
snipped~
"Finally a stock company, called the Mount Washington Hotel Company, composed of Messrs. Hartshorn, Walcott and Sylvester Marsh was chartered, and in 1872 work was begun on a new hotel.
At this time the "Giant's Grave (mound) was removed to obtain a level site. :eek:
By now, there were locals, aware of the legend, who wondered if the curse had been broken.... "



They flattened the burial mound to break the curse, only it didn't work. Everything they built there burned to the ground........so today that area is the leach field for the AMC Highland Center! :eek: You might not think much of that, but Bretton Woods sits at the base of Mount Washington, in its day thought of as the home of the Great Spirit by the Natives who lived here. The whites came in and turned their most sacred area into a tourist mecca...not a very auspiscious place for a world currency conference. Hope they hold the next one somewhere else!

Old Bird
02-06-2009, 06:16 PM
Finally back to my computer so I can post a few articles I found. I’ve been looking at some info on food shortages & will offer snips from two of the articles I read. I think planting a garden is a great idea. Course, then you will probably have to guard it from more than bugs & rabbits…

Famine in America?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1218309/famine_in_america_why_99_of_the_us_pg2.html?cat=3

snips:
Nearly everyone recognizes that the U.S. may be in for very hard times in the near future. Some economists are predicting financial collapse as catastrophic as the Great Depression. ……..

During the Great Depression, formerly wealthy executives stood in line for hours waiting in ragged clothes for a hand-out of hot soup, while the rural "poor" went about life as usual, barely noticing the Depression….

Lost in our false sense of security, America has now forgotten the fine arts of gardening, canning, tending livestock, and cooking from scratch….

The time has come for anyone who is concerned about their (in)ability to feed themselves and their families to begin making accomodations to do so. A backyard garden may seem like an unnecessary waste of labor now, but it will seem like a godsend if and when our economy begins to crumble.

Source Used: U.S. Department of State. Outline of the U.S. Economy. American Agriculture: Its Changing Significance.


And 2nd article (a more global look):

How Far is the US From Food Shortages and Food Riots?

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/04/12/18492403.php

snips:
As Americans complain over high gasoline and food prices, many third world countries are experiencing food riots over price and scarcity of food. In some parts of the word rice is so expensive that it is transported in heavily guarded convoys and farmers guard their fields from thieves.

Food riots are becoming more common, as more land and crops are being diverted from the food chain by the world biofuels industry. According to an investment magazine, the crisis shows no signs of weakening. Food, the bread of life, is fast becoming the “gold” of the Twenty-first century.

……………………

With finite amounts of cropland, competition between fuel and food crops for land and economic resources, and unpredictable natural disasters, wars and pestilence waiting in the wings, our food supply is not as secure as we think it is.

Even the United States is not immune from the potential for food shortages, food riots and food insecurity. We’re just blind to the possibility

Old Bird
02-06-2009, 06:24 PM
Not being reported on mainline media sites that I can find is this new bill to establish 6 National Emergency Centers. Conservative watchdog sites are reporting it and asking WTH about the language that would allow Homeland Security to use these “centers” as they deem necessary. Seems to fit with my post #126 -- Pres Obama's statements during his campaign that the US needs a civilian security force and other poster's comments about martial law.

“Detention Camps” – WND Article

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87757


***************

Here’s the Bill itself (I looked) – SEC 2SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS, (b)4, says :

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.645.IH:

Old Bird
02-06-2009, 06:31 PM
One more for today -- I'll have HouseMouse shaking in her boots :) Oh no, none of this is happening we're told...IMO, just watch!!!

MARKET WATCH (from the Wall Street Journal's Market Watch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/do-we-need-north-american/story.aspx?guid=%7BD10536AF-F929-4AF9-AD10-250B4057A907%7D
TODD HARRISON
How realistic is a North American currency?
Commentary: Uniting U.S., Canada, Mexico money could result from crisis By Todd Harrison
Last update: 6:12 a.m. EST Jan. 28, 2009

Comments: 562
"World, hold on. Instead of messing with our future, open up inside." -- Bob Sinclair

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Thomas Jefferson once said: "When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on." As the global financial system pushes on a string, investors are desperately trying to hold tight.

The New World Order is upon us, full of hope, promise and a fair amount of fear. In our recent discussion regarding the direction of our country, we noted the risks of catering to conventional wisdom and the implications for the U.S. dollar. See MarketWatch column on New World Order.

The Minyanville mantra is to provide financial news you need to know before you know you need it. That's a fine line to walk, as foresight often flies in the face of mainstream acceptance.

In 2006, it seemed counterintuitive to forecast a "prolonged socioeconomic malaise entirely more depressing than a recession." See Minyanville column.
For years, the notion of an "invisible hand" was conspiracy theory until we learned that the Working Group on Financial Markets was a central policy tool. See Minyanville column.

And now, as we gaze across our historically significant horizon, we must open our minds to thoughts and ideas that may seem foreign to folks conditioned by the past and stunned by the present.

...................

housemouse
02-06-2009, 08:27 PM
Thank you for the articles, Old Bird!

I am hoping and praying that the "Stimulus" bill somehow fails to pass, even though all the news networks are posting that it will. It will not accomplish what they are saying it will, and possible will make our precarious situation even worse, I fear.

It seems unclear now whether it will pass tonight, or later this weekend. Would those of you who watch C-Span 2, or the news please take note of the time it passes, so I can put a chart up for us?

I am worried that I will be caretaking, and might miss being able to time it properly.

Torrie
02-06-2009, 10:12 PM
Fox news is reporting they have reached an agreement on the bill, but will not vote tonight.

On another note housemouse, what do you think of California not refunding taxes? Here's a link that's interesting...they are spending $2 million in office furniture, but can't refund tax money.
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21834108/california_dreaming.htm

Sonne
02-06-2009, 10:34 PM
I've read this entire thread today and want to tell a little story.......the Bretton Woods treaty was signed near where I live. 4.5 miles down the road is the AMC Highland Center......A little know Native American story from the area is that an enormous burial mound was located at the original location of the Highland Center (4.5 miles from Bretton Woods, which wasn't there at the time, nothing was but wilderness :crazy:) and upon the invasion of the white man, a Native warrior stood atop that mound and proclaimed that "The Great Spirit whispered in my ear, no pale-face shall take deep roots here.'"

But white man kept trying, and his efforts kept burning to the ground.

http://cowhampshire.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/4/20/1898705.html
snipped~
"Finally a stock company, called the Mount Washington Hotel Company, composed of Messrs. Hartshorn, Walcott and Sylvester Marsh was chartered, and in 1872 work was begun on a new hotel.
At this time the "Giant's Grave (mound) was removed to obtain a level site. :eek:
By now, there were locals, aware of the legend, who wondered if the curse had been broken.... "

They flattened the burial mound to break the curse, only it didn't work. Everything they built there burned to the ground........so today that area is the leach field for the AMC Highland Center! :eek: You might not think much of that, but Bretton Woods sits at the base of Mount Washington, in its day thought of as the home of the Great Spirit by the Natives who lived here. The whites came in and turned their most sacred area into a tourist mecca...not a very auspiscious place for a world currency conference. Hope they hold the next one somewhere else!

I had never heard of Bretton Woods mentioned in Mr. Noelle's article. Thank you for enlightening me, what an interesting story.

Sanddollar14
02-06-2009, 10:45 PM
Finally back to my computer so I can post a few articles I found. I’ve been looking at some info on food shortages & will offer snips from two of the articles I read. I think planting a garden is a great idea. Course, then you will probably have to guard it from more than bugs & rabbits…

Famine in America?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1218309/famine_in_america_why_99_of_the_us_pg2.html?cat=3

snips:
Nearly everyone recognizes that the U.S. may be in for very hard times in the near future. Some economists are predicting financial collapse as catastrophic as the Great Depression. ……..

During the Great Depression, formerly wealthy executives stood in line for hours waiting in ragged clothes for a hand-out of hot soup, while the rural "poor" went about life as usual, barely noticing the Depression….

Lost in our false sense of security, America has now forgotten the fine arts of gardening, canning, tending livestock, and cooking from scratch….

The time has come for anyone who is concerned about their (in)ability to feed themselves and their families to begin making accomodations to do so. A backyard garden may seem like an unnecessary waste of labor now, but it will seem like a godsend if and when our economy begins to crumble.

Source Used: U.S. Department of State. Outline of the U.S. Economy. American Agriculture: Its Changing Significance.


And 2nd article (a more global look):

How Far is the US From Food Shortages and Food Riots?

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/04/12/18492403.php

snips:
As Americans complain over high gasoline and food prices, many third world countries are experiencing food riots over price and scarcity of food. In some parts of the word rice is so expensive that it is transported in heavily guarded convoys and farmers guard their fields from thieves.

Food riots are becoming more common, as more land and crops are being diverted from the food chain by the world biofuels industry. According to an investment magazine, the crisis shows no signs of weakening. Food, the bread of life, is fast becoming the “gold” of the Twenty-first century.

……………………

With finite amounts of cropland, competition between fuel and food crops for land and economic resources, and unpredictable natural disasters, wars and pestilence waiting in the wings, our food supply is not as secure as we think it is.

Even the United States is not immune from the potential for food shortages, food riots and food insecurity. We’re just blind to the possibility


Thank for all the articles Old Bird. It may not have housemouse shaking in her boots, but it sure has me doing a dance. If you find any articles on a smart way to stockpile some staples, I'd love to read it. Not all of us have land to even grow a small garden.

housemouse
02-07-2009, 03:19 AM
Having trouble sleeping tonight, SandDollar...

found a link for you to select different articles to read by this writer for Backwoods Home magazine...

you can select the ones that might interest you.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/author_index.html#jclay

Old Bird
02-07-2009, 02:35 PM
Thank for all the articles Old Bird. It may not have housemouse shaking in her boots, but it sure has me doing a dance. If you find any articles on a smart way to stockpile some staples, I'd love to read it. Not all of us have land to even grow a small garden.


Sanddollar, I'm interested in the topic of stockpiling too, but on my way to Atlanta for the week & not much time to poke around. Good that housemouse gave us some places to look... I'll join in when I return.

A friend reminded me that a neighbor does container gardening -- I'm going to stop by & look at what she's growing & how. I seem to recall a few years back that we saw ads for growing plants upside down. I saw a tomato plant in some sort of container that you could hang -- the plant grew downward &, of course, the plant in the pic had zillions of tomatos on it! :rolleyes:

Looking forward to exploring this more.

V/R, OB

housemouse
02-07-2009, 06:52 PM
For those of you who might be interested in long term food storage, this is one company that has a good reputation.

http://beprepared.com/

It is a good idea to make a list of those foods everyone in the family likes and eats on a regular basis before ordering food, and before ordering one of the 1 year bulk packs.

Many foods can be purchased from the regular grocery store, and repackaged for proper storage. Try to buy what you will actually eat, and rotate your stock. Keep your food in a cool dry place.

Learn to cook with these foods, if you do not know how.

Another good company for buying dehydrated foods, which I use all the time, saving my vacuum packed for dire emergencies is below. These are not vacuum-packed, but have a shelf life, stored properly of a couple of years. They never last long enough at my house, because I use them all the time in soups, stews, and casseroles.

http://www.harmonyhousefoods.com/

Tessie
02-07-2009, 08:48 PM
There is also a series of books, I think they are called Foxfire. I am not sure if they are at the library or even still available, but they will teach you how to do lots of different things.

housemouse
02-10-2009, 09:53 AM
Right on time, the S hit the F this morning...

News broke on the rationing of care for seniors, tucked away in the stimulus bill. I guess this is how the dems will solve the social security problem.

Question is, will there be more to come?

Read this, and weep!

http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=6010

Tessie
02-10-2009, 12:32 PM
HouseMouse this is so scary. I had to turn the President off last night.
My husband has been ill since 2003 and it's been a fight already to keep him alive. He's only 62. I am very scared and concerned right now.

Sanddollar14
02-10-2009, 05:52 PM
right on time, the s hit the f this morning...

News broke on the rationing of care for seniors, tucked away in the stimulus bill. I guess this is how the dems will solve the social security problem.

Question is, will there be more to come?

Read this, and weep!

http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=6010


wtf?????

KAITLAND
02-10-2009, 07:22 PM
Right on time, the S hit the F this morning...

News broke on the rationing of care for seniors, tucked away in the stimulus bill. I guess this is how the dems will solve the social security problem.

Question is, will there be more to come?

Read this, and weep!

http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=6010


Hello housemouse. I heard this on the news today, but have not had time to read the whole thing (and really dread knowing the full extent). Will try to catch up with things in the next few days, as I have been under the weather myself. But this issue is very close to my heart. As an ICU nurse, I see more than my share of "very sick elderly". With the already stringent cuts in medical care, it has become harder and harder for them to receive the care they need. For sure it is a very convoluted issue - and it certainly should not be buried in some 800 page document where it can hardly see the light of day. I'll be back when feeling better - have more to say on this important topic.

housemouse
02-12-2009, 06:04 PM
Well, right on time...

Sen. Judd Gregg has withdrawn from being nominated Secretary of Commerce.

It seems he was blindsided by control of the Census being taken away from the Commerce Department and put under the control of the White House.

Some are speculating that today's decision by the Obama Admin to lift sanctions against Syria might have been the final straw for Gregg.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/11/syria-assad-sanctions-opinions-columnists_0212_claudia_rosett.html

Embarrassing for the Obama administration.

housemouse
02-12-2009, 08:53 PM
There is more!

"President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., "said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."

Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

But after the president left the event, Owens said the exact opposite

Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again"

"It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill" means re-hiring, he said."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html

Sanddollar14
02-13-2009, 08:30 AM
Thank you housemouse for keeping us updated. I think we have a nation of people who are concerned about what awaits us.

Deborah1012
02-13-2009, 11:04 AM
http://astrologyandpsychicpredictions.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/economic-stimulus-package/

An astrologer at the above link did a horary chart on the stimulus package but she's very pro-Obama and does not really give details about what she sees in this chart and I'm wondering if those of you who are the "experts" with charts could take a look and let us know what you see.

Soulscape
02-13-2009, 02:01 PM
http://astrologyandpsychicpredictions.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/economic-stimulus-package/

An astrologer at the above link did a horary chart on the stimulus package but she's very pro-Obama and does not really give details about what she sees in this chart and I'm wondering if those of you who are the "experts" with charts could take a look and let us know what you see.

Deborah,

I think either the time Senate votes tonight or, more likely, the date/time Mr. Obama actually signs the bill would be the valid chart to work with.

Housemouse, what do you think?

See:


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/us/politics/14web-stim.html?hp


The $787 billion program to be voted on Friday afternoon is the product of negotiations between the House and Senate, which had favored a somewhat larger package. The final package, whose estimated price tag has fluctuated daily and was finally pegged at $787 billion as of Friday, ended up considerably smaller than either the House or Senate had originally approved.

The Senate was expected to vote on the final legislation Friday evening, clearing the way for the paperwork to go to President Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per), who is eager to sign the measure.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Old Bird
02-13-2009, 06:02 PM
I was driving home from Pensacola earlier & was listening to the radio. The guy who owns the site http://www.gunowners.org was on and talking about the stimulus package. Of course, his emphasis was gun ownership and he talked about the legislation that keeps military folks from owning guns if they have any medical information in their files that shows they might be a risky person to let have a gun (battle stress, etc). I'll have to look that up because I heard about it some time ago, but didn't realize it had passed.

He did say that buried in the "stimulus" bill is a provision that will now put everyone's medical history on the computer for Big Brother & Insurance Companies (& who knows who else) to see. Guess they can use that to decide who to insure & who to provide medical help for. They will also use it to take guns away, I'm sure. :furious: at almost ALL of what's happening.

If you don't care about guns, keep looking -- surely you will find stuff in that bill that you do care about! And lots of it involves taking away freedoms for private citizens. :mad:

V/R, OB

Old Bird
02-13-2009, 06:26 PM
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey

Commentary by Betsy McCaughey


Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

..... remainder of commentary at: www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

CourtsInSession
02-13-2009, 10:15 PM
For the first time in my life, I am honestly grateful that I do not have grandchildren to worry about. I can see why suicide becomes a real possibility. I don't want to live this way. What are people and our leaders thinking in our country?

http://apathetic-usa.com/

Tboy4
02-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Quite simply, they're not thinking at all. Not a single one of them has even read the whole thing, I dare say. It is totally irresponsible on the part of our representatives.

housemouse
02-14-2009, 01:56 PM
What do I think?

I think we are in for major trouble. There in no point in checking the chart for the signing. One doesn't have to be an astrologer to know that this "stimulus" is going to destroy us.

The waning square from Saturn to Pluto is when it will become obvious, and that starts next November, and culminates in the summer of 2010.

Here is the chart for June 2010. The date is just an example, as this is a long term transit, and will be in effect for quite a long time.

All I can say is that there is time to get prepared. Sooner, rather than later, though.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/TransitsofJun262010.jpg

housemouse
02-14-2009, 02:37 PM
Closer in time, let's keep an eye on the second week of March. This could be a rough time for the markets and national financial affairs.

Venus will be turning retrograde, and the full moon period will in the same degree areas as the Saturn/Uranus opposition across Virgo and Pisces.

President Obama is dealing with a long term Uranus transit, opposing his natal Mars at 22 Virgo, and this also is "spotlighted" by the full moon. His nerves are definitely being tested, and he is apt to be argumentative, stubborn, and obstinate. Some kind of accident or violence is a possibility. (Basketball injury?)

But, considering that the US Mars (in Gemini) is being squared by the Saturn/Uranus opposition, and the full Moon, this might involve a challenge to Obama's presidency.

Adding that the March full moon is echoing the full moon last September, when the financial crisis smacked us between the eyes. Some are speculating that the "meltdown" was deliberately triggered by persons unknown.....

Virtual Truth
02-14-2009, 03:30 PM
Hello HM and all,
I would like to suggest a book that you all may like to read. It is a thin paperback (123 pages --WalMart - about $8). It is a quick read with great information.

Financial Armageddon by John Hagee.

Hagee is a preacher in San Antonio, TX. The book relates what is happening today in our government and the world to the Bible....The Revelation in particular.

Here are the bullets listed on the cover of the book:

We are in a battle for our very survival....
-- Discover how oil will become the ultimate weapon of war
-- Learn the four events that will cause the West to implode
-- Keep our investments from funding the enemy's advance
-- Why energy independence is key to our survival

HM, if you choose to read this book, I would love to have feedback from you as to your thoughts based on how you read the charts. I feel that you are so on target. I am one who plans to take action to heed the warning!! TIA!!

Old Bird
02-14-2009, 08:36 PM
Well, it took me til today to figure out that I posted the same article that housemouse posted... sorry for being a ditz! :crazy: I blew thru here when I returned from my trip & was all fired up about some of the cr@p in the stimulus bill -- went ahead & posted before I read. Just catching up now. I haven't figured out how to delete my post. Well, the good news is that HM & I (& many others) have the same concerns...I know I'm not alone...

YIKES on the chart for the passage of that bill. Scary! :eek: Thanks for the chart and the words of explanation, housemouse. I'm going to agree with those who think strings have been pulled to get us into this fine mess! I also think some of the larger cases of identity theft are orchestrated to frighten people into agreeing to a national ID or worse (microchipping).

Yes, I am very concerned about our future... Our past has been blessed & we have been protected. Sure seems that life as we knew it is passing us by.

Old Bird
02-14-2009, 08:41 PM
Hello HM and all,
I would like to suggest a book that you all may like to read. It is a thin paperback (123 pages --WalMart - about $8). It is a quick read with great information.

Financial Armageddon by John Hagee.

Hagee is a preacher in San Antonio, TX. The book relates what is happening today in our government and the world to the Bible....The Revelation in particular.

Here are the bullets listed on the cover of the book:

We are in a battle for our very survival....
-- Discover how oil will become the ultimate weapon of war
-- Learn the four events that will cause the West to implode
-- Keep our investments from funding the enemy's advance
-- Why energy independence is key to our survival

HM, if you choose to read this book, I would love to have feedback from you as to your thoughts based on how you read the charts. I feel that you are so on target. I am one who plans to take action to heed the warning!! TIA!!

VT, thanks for the recommendation. I BETCHA w/o looking that one of the four events that will cause the West to implode is that we're kicking God out of the country! IMO, BIG mistake! FATAL mistake! Sad for us all...

Virtual Truth
02-14-2009, 11:08 PM
VT, thanks for the recommendation. I BETCHA w/o looking that one of the four events that will cause the West to implode is that we're kicking God out of the country! IMO, BIG mistake! FATAL mistake! Sad for us all...

U R welcome OB. Hope you enjoy it.... I agree with you, GOD is the key to our success. I have been a Christian for many years, but I am, just now, coming to understand the end of time prophecy.

housemouse
02-14-2009, 11:39 PM
Hello HM and all,
I would like to suggest a book that you all may like to read. It is a thin paperback (123 pages --WalMart - about $8). It is a quick read with great information.

Financial Armageddon by John Hagee.

Hagee is a preacher in San Antonio, TX. The book relates what is happening today in our government and the world to the Bible....The Revelation in particular.

Here are the bullets listed on the cover of the book:

We are in a battle for our very survival....
-- Discover how oil will become the ultimate weapon of war
-- Learn the four events that will cause the West to implode
-- Keep our investments from funding the enemy's advance
-- Why energy independence is key to our survival

HM, if you choose to read this book, I would love to have feedback from you as to your thoughts based on how you read the charts. I feel that you are so on target. I am one who plans to take action to heed the warning!! TIA!!


Thanks for the tip to the book, Virtual. I will try to get my little paws on it the next time I venture out. (That isn't very often these days, alas)

Will see if I can find it on Amazon, maybe?

Virtual Truth
02-15-2009, 12:33 AM
Thanks for the tip to the book, Virtual. I will try to get my little paws on it the next time I venture out. (That isn't very often these days, alas)

Will see if I can find it on Amazon, maybe?

Amazon does have it, HM. It is about $1 more than WalMart, but if you order it by Feb 17 you get free shipping! :woohoo:

housemouse
02-15-2009, 01:00 AM
The chart I think would be most appropriate for the "Stimulus" bill would be the chart for the time President Obama signs it on Tuesday night.

I will be watching, since he is supposed to sign it in "prime time".

That said, I do not think it makes much difference in the long run....

housemouse
02-15-2009, 01:50 AM
Amazon does have it, HM. It is about $1 more than WalMart, but if you order it by Feb 17 you get free shipping! :woohoo:

I got it, Virtual. Will be reading it tomorrow. It is available in the "kindle" edition, so have downloaded it. Yes, I am a "read-a-holic".

Right now, I am listening, whenever I have a chance, to Joel C. Rosenberg books, available on Audible.com.

The similarity between Gerald Celente and one of his protagonists in "The Last Jihad" is very intriguing!

Old Bird
02-15-2009, 12:15 PM
Accurate Trend Forecaster: Food Riots, Tax Rebellions, Revolution in USA by 2012


November 14, 2008 at 10:52 am

America's most prescient trend forecaster, Gerald Celente, has a grim forecast for America's future. He predicts a complete collapse in the economy sparking squatter rebellions, food riots, tax rebellions, job marches, and unparalleled social upheaval in a mere four years. By December 2012 the consumer Christmas will be a memory only and getting enough food will be top of people's minds rather than buying presents. He says the precipitous slide the USA has entered over the last few years will culminate with America plunging to the status of an undeveloped nation.


Reading this you may think this man a dangerous flake, and his ideas preposterous, but his rate of accuracy on major predictions is considered uncanny by many, and down right scary by most. Here's just a few comments from major news sources that will put this man, and his company, Trend Research Institute's reliability and credibility into a spine chilling context:

"When CNN wants to know about the Top Trends, we ask Gerald Celente."
— CNN Headline News


...and the rest of the major news source comments & the article can be found at:
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/accurate-trend-forecaster-food-riots-tax-rebellions-revolution-usa-2012

Virtual Truth
02-15-2009, 03:38 PM
I got it, Virtual. Will be reading it tomorrow. It is available in the "kindle" edition, so have downloaded it. Yes, I am a "read-a-holic".

Right now, I am listening, whenever I have a chance, to Joel C. Rosenberg books, available on Audible.com.

The similarity between Gerald Celente and one of his protagonists in "The Last Jihad" is very intriguing!

Glad you found it! I am checking out these other 2 guys, too....Thanks!!

housemouse
02-17-2009, 02:51 PM
Not a good comment, because I had DC time...

Probably should use Denver time!

Recasting the chart with proper Denver time... Io Sprite keeps insisting on putting EST in, instead of Denver time, so stay tuned, as I am watching for the pen to be put to the blasted document!

Soulscape
02-17-2009, 03:04 PM
Am watching the signing of the Stimulus bill right now, and notice that the ceremony starts with the Saturn/Uranus opposition straddling the Midheaven and Nadir of the chart, but I do not have the time set for Denver.

Probably should use Denver time, right?


Yep. Denver time.

Not surprised about SATURN/URANUS opp across 10/4. Status quo vs change, for better or worse, who knows?

Love,
Soulscape

housemouse
02-17-2009, 03:11 PM
Am listening to the Speech, waiting for the pen to hit the paper...

Just wish I could have a better feeling about this. Am so afraid this is going to totally mess up the system, in spite of all the promises and hooplas going around.

Full delineation later on, if I can get to it...

Kat
02-17-2009, 03:25 PM
I've been following along with all of the posts. My gut tells me this is going to destroy us for a very long time. (this particular bill)

housemouse
02-17-2009, 03:29 PM
Totally Strange Experience here... The chart for Denver echoes the first chart I did for DC, earlier, with the wrong time and place! Almost as if the Almighty was trying to send a message!

Here is the chart, showing the opposition straddling the Midheaven/Nadir...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/StimulusBill.jpg

Annie Maude
02-17-2009, 03:29 PM
With Neptune on the north lunar node in 2008, this year's eclipses are Neptunian in nature as they slide from the Virgo-Pisces polarity into Leo-Aquarius. February and August are the months to watch. The solar eclipse on February 7 is conjunct Neptune, as is the lunar eclipse on August 16. This in effect extends the 2006-2007 Saturn-Neptune opposition theme: a loss of confidence, the money's gone, misplaced faith, theft and deception (including self-deception), the Emperor has no clothes. This operates at a lot of levels, to be sure. But given what has already gone before, and the fact that we're having a Saturn-Uranus opposition this year as well, I have to think the currency crisis now underway gets a whole lot bigger in 2008. And the Saturn-Uranus opposition speaks of international conferences addressing what has become a global financial crisis.

I don't see a solution this year, mind you. Saturn and Uranus make their on-and-off opposition last until 2010, after all. The fix begins in 2008, probably after the US Presidential election, but it takes years until the fix is in. That's because just about everybody's ox is going to get gored, before this is done. And since the fix has always been and will ever be a hard money foundation underlying paper currency, you can expect that the international experts will ultimately agree on things like gold, silver, platinum and the like being basic to whatever solution arises. Other commodities will be argued for and accepted to some degree (oil, uranium, silicon chips, photovoltaic cells, etc.), but the foundation will be the precious metals because they are in fact a store of value: always have been, always will be. And, incidentally, an essential part of this restoration entails the price of precious metals skyrocketing in the process of liquidating debt. If that doesn't tell you what to do, you haven't been paying attention . . .

I mentioned Neptune's connection with the eclipses of 2008, and certainly these alignments will bring times of particular social, economic and political significance. But eclipses - and SuperMoons as well - are also notable in their own right, as indicators of geophysical surges affecting everything on Earth.

.....

You can read the rest here:

http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2008-all.html

I probably shouldn't be posting here, since I know nothing about astrology, but I really "feel" there is truth in these predictions. I agree with the return to precious metals as the basis for our future currency, and I have had a premonition about the world economy collapsing since around the time of the WTC disaster.

housemouse
02-17-2009, 03:35 PM
Notice Mercury, Mars, Jupiter in the 8th house and Aquarius? Lots of talk, energy, and expansion using our tax dollars.

Pluto, in the 6th, widely opposing the ascendant.... not quite sure how to interpret that, but with the opposition straddling the Midheaven/Nadir, I think the second week in March might be very interesting. See a post I put up a few days ago about the aspects around the time of the March full moon.

Maybe we will have a better feel for how this is going to play out then, because that chart will echo this one.

Also, notice how Venus squares the ascendant? Venus rules money, of course, and in the tenth, kind of echoes Pluto's Capricorn placement...

Interesting chart, and we will have to watch the transits to it...

housemouse
02-17-2009, 03:58 PM
I probably shouldn't be posting here, since I know nothing about astrology, but I really "feel" there is truth in these predictions. I agree with the return to precious metals as the basis for our future currency, and I have had a premonition about the world economy collapsing since around the time of the WTC disaster.

There is no rule that only astrologers can post here, Annie! Feel free to chime in, ask questions, and participate.

FifthEssence
02-17-2009, 04:19 PM
I probably shouldn't be posting here, since I know nothing about astrology, but I really "feel" there is truth in these predictions. I agree with the return to precious metals as the basis for our future currency, and I have had a premonition about the world economy collapsing since around the time of the WTC disaster.



Even the BLIND MAN knows GOLD. Yes, AnnieMaude, it continues to rise in value as world economies go on the blink and attempt to scramble for stability.

housemouse
02-17-2009, 04:20 PM
I am now studying the midpoints to the Stimulus signing chart, and I am not happy at all about what I see!

I am posting it, and hope it isn't too hard to see. What you do with a midpoint list like this is check to see what midpoints are involved with the planets. This gives more info about their "health", so to speak.

Details below the chart...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/housemouse43/SBMidpointSort45.jpg

Mars is very unhealthy, as it is involved with the Pluto/Midheaven, and Saturn/Pluto. (striving for the attainment of power, the urge to dominate other people, a career crisis ::: ruthlessness, brutality, the need to fight for one's existence or life, maltreatment)

Pluto is also involved with Mars/Neptune, and Jupiter/Neptune (the tendency to cause damage to others brutally, or to suffer likewise, dissolution, death :::: Plans unreasonable beyond measure, far-reaching speculations - a great loss)

The Ascendant can be considered "sick", because of the sesquiquadrate from Neptune... (the act of deceiving or cheating others, the inability to achieve success in life, with the Moon/Node; the undermining of associations or unions between people, with Moon/Mercury; fancies, whims, notions, exposure to lies fabricated by others...)

There are more midpoints and aspects to consider, the Midheaven, in addition to the Saturn/Uranus challenge, has Venus/Neptune... (lying about money?) and this is reinforced by Neptune/Ascendant, see above...

I am getting depressed, so going to quit now...

Annie Maude
02-17-2009, 04:58 PM
I'm new, so I hope I'm not out of line for asking; I'm an RN and have had another premonition (embarrasses me to admit it) that we, not sure who, will experience a biohazardous attack associated with the final throes of the economy. Anyone?

housemouse
02-17-2009, 05:08 PM
You are not out of line in asking, Annie. It is entirely possible.

Predicting such an attack in advance is problematic, though. We can watch Neptune, which rules drugs, chemicals, gasses, etc..and one would think Mars and Pluto might be involved... but pinpointing an exact aspect or time period is tough.

My guess, totally unrelated to astrology, except indirectly (Pluto, I would guess, in Capricorn), is that underground systems might be attacked in some way. The logic behind this is the Sarin attack in Japan, the railway attacks in Spain, the London attacks, etc...

But, this is just speculation. We will know when they do it, and will be able to see the timing in the charts, just as we did for the WTC attacks.

Given how many terrorists have established training camps on our own soil, it seems that it is just a matter of time, unfortunately.

Virtual Truth
02-17-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm new, so I hope I'm not out of line for asking; I'm an RN and have had another premonition (embarrasses me to admit it) that we, not sure who, will experience a biohazardous attack associated with the final throes of the economy. Anyone?

Hi Annie Maude,
I have no special knowledge, but after the peanut butter mess, I can see how easy it would be for our food supply to be attacked. I wish I would have paid attention when my grandmother planted and harvested her veggie garden....I think I am going to need those skills....better start learning now...

And, welcome. You will LOVE this thread!! It is my favorite...

Annie Maude
02-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Ooh! I didn't even think about the peanut plant issue in connection to a future deliberate terrorist attact. That just gave me chills.

Kat
02-18-2009, 08:09 AM
I read a book back in the early 2000's called Fast Food Nation: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal (2001) by Eric Schlosser.

If anyone is interested in centralized food sources this book explores it and the potential consequences.

After I read the book, there was a huge dog food recall, the reason I mention this is because the dog food industry is also centralized. Couple that with the fact that we've had Samonella outbreaks in the human food centralization.

Sorry if it's O/T for this thread but it's such a good book I wanted to share with others.

housemouse
02-19-2009, 09:57 AM
I'm new, so I hope I'm not out of line for asking; I'm an RN and have had another premonition (embarrasses me to admit it) that we, not sure who, will experience a biohazardous attack associated with the final throes of the economy. Anyone?

Annie, I am still thinking about your post quoted above. So I have been looking for info on the muslim terrorist camps here on our own soil...

found this link this morning, after hearing about it on one of the cable networks. The anchor asked why nothing could be done, and the answer was our "freedom of religion" clause in the Constitution.. So these groups are using our own rules against us.

Here is the link. Sleuthers should do more research and find out where all these groups are, and contact local authorities to make sure they are being watched. It seems pretty clear that the Feds have their hands tied...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30762

housemouse
02-19-2009, 10:04 AM
Here is the google search for these camps. Hoping that everyone can find out if there are any camps near them... I do not have time today to hunt them all down.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Jamaat+ul-Fuqra+camps+in+the+USA&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Tuba
02-20-2009, 03:24 PM
The Telegraph in London reports today this from the IAEA: "Iran has increased the number of its centrifuges by only 136 from 3,800 in November." Oh good, now we can relax.

FifthEssence
02-20-2009, 05:49 PM
The Telegraph in London reports today this from the IAEA: "Iran has increased the number of its cetrifuges by only 136 from 3,800 in November." Oh good, now we can relax.


So do we take the Potassium Iodide tablet before or right after we bend over?

housemouse
02-20-2009, 06:21 PM
If I remember right (amazing when I do!) today was an interesting date for Obama.

Ran to look at my print out of what I posted, and the aspect energizing him today is an opposition to his natal Sun by Mars.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting he had with Mayors today. He is failing at the moment, unfortunately. The market has tanked, indicating that investors are not impressed with his plans.

The Senator appointed by disgraced Gov. Blogo appears to have bought his way into office. Rahm Emanuel is in trouble re: taxes, word came out today that President Obama owes well over 1 million to Chicago, behind in paying...

The auto makers in Detroit have failed to come up with a plan, and overseas markets are in tumoil, with Russia shutting down completely a few days back, and China making noises about not buying our debt if we inflate the dollar.

Who was it that warned Caesar about the "Ides of March? I think Shakespeare wrote it, but can't remember which character...

Wonder if this would be good advice for Barack Obama!

housemouse
02-20-2009, 06:37 PM
Somebody in the UK gets it!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3374696/the-fifth-columnist-in-the-white-house.thtml

housemouse
02-20-2009, 07:26 PM
Went over to the Rush Limbaugh site, and found an interesting long article. If Rush drives you nuts, don't read it... I am just keeping track of the growing doubts related to the bail-outs and stimulus plans.

"But people are keeping score. This is what Obama doesn't know. Barack Obama and his administration cannot kill the American some people. The stimulus package cannot kill the American spirit. We are keeping score. We have compassion for those who were truly blindsided by this, but we don't want to bail out loser after loser after loser who decided to play fast and loose while we played it straight. And make no mistake, that's how people look at this. A lot of people, the vast majority of people in this country think they've played it straight.

Now they're being told they have to make good for those who didn't. It's no different than what the left has done in schools with outcome-based education. "We can't put people in advanced placement classes, and humiliate those who were not suitable for admission." The majority of the American people at the end of the day are competitive. This is why we're a nation, for example, obsessed with our sports teams. I'm a Steelers fan. You think I don't care who wins when they play? Hell, sometimes I'll even take a call from a referee wrong that goes in my favor. I don't want to charge out there and say, "Hey, ref, you blew it. Give the other team the ball. They deserve it." I'll take it.

Well, the referees are giving everything to the losers, under the premise that they're only losers 'cause the winners are winners. Tax -paying people who make it all work will not put up long rewarding failure, being forced to reward failure. Beware this huge backlash. It'll turn. It'll turn slowly, and like the tide coming in, it is unstoppable. It has already started, in fact. The pulse of the backlash has begun. The pulse of revolution is out there, and at some point the anger that you know is there will surface and you will see it and you will hear it. People will overcome their fear of opposition to this because at the end of the day they will not sit there and let everything they've worked for be destroyed, particularly on the basis that they deserve to be destroyed because it's been unfair in the first place that they succeeded.

Much more at this link, including some good links at the bottom...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_022009/content/01125109.guest.html

housemouse
02-20-2009, 08:05 PM
U.S. officials: Hamas slipped note to Obama via senator



http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/02/20/kerry.letter/index.html?eref=rss_world

Virtual Truth
02-21-2009, 01:12 AM
If I remember right (amazing when I do!) today was an interesting date for Obama.

Ran to look at my print out of what I posted, and the aspect energizing him today is an opposition to his natal Sun by Mars.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting he had with Mayors today. He is failing at the moment, unfortunately. The market has tanked, indicating that investors are not impressed with his plans.

The Senator appointed by disgraced Gov. Blogo appears to have bought his way into office. Rahm Emanuel is in trouble re: taxes, word came out today that President Obama owes well over 1 million to Chicago, behind in paying...

The auto makers in Detroit have failed to come up with a plan, and overseas markets are in tumoil, with Russia shutting down completely a few days back, and China making noises about not buying our debt if we inflate the dollar.

Who was it that warned Caesar about the "Ides of March? I think Shakespeare wrote it, but can't remember which character...

Wonder if this would be good advice for Barack Obama!


BOLDED ABOVE TO COMMENT--
According to the Bible, the King of the North (Russia) and the King of the East (China) will march together to Israel. I pray the Ides of March don't set that in motion!

HM, did you get a chance to read the book by Hagee, yet?

housemouse
02-21-2009, 07:50 PM
BOLDED ABOVE TO COMMENT--
According to the Bible, the King of the North (Russia) and the King of the East (China) will march together to Israel. I pray the Ides of March don't set that in motion!

HM, did you get a chance to read the book by Hagee, yet?

Am halfway through it. I skipped to the last part to see what advice he had for preparation, and was a bit disappointed, because I was hoping for more practical advice. I am going to re-read as soon as we get somewhere in the Haleigh tragedy.

housemouse
02-21-2009, 07:51 PM
Back to Obama and Feb 20th Mars opposing Obama's Sun...

if this isn't an excellent example of that, I do not know what is!

a youtube worth pondering...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/obama-birth-cer.html

Virtual Truth
02-21-2009, 10:36 PM
Am halfway through it. I skipped to the last part to see what advice he had for preparation, and was a bit disappointed, because I was hoping for more practical advice. I am going to re-read as soon as we get somewhere in the Haleigh tragedy.

I understand. I am interested in getting your thoughts on the countries and events he lays out in the first half of the book. No rush.....I agree the Haleigh and all other missing persons come first. I am just sick over the Haleigh case. Thanks for taking the time to keep us up to date on this site when you can.

Moe
02-22-2009, 09:08 AM
I am very scared for our country right now, and I've never felt this way before. Alan Keye's makes perfect sense talking about spending money we don't have. If my husband and I took every credit card that was offered to us and maxed it out, we would be doing what the Federal government is doing right now. This is not brain surgery, what in the world is going on?

reeseeva
02-22-2009, 09:19 AM
More on this
http://www.financialarmageddon.com/

Old Bird
02-22-2009, 03:11 PM
Evans-Pritchard: In Europe, Depression Now


Friday, February 20, 2009 10:32 AM

By: Julie Crawshaw

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, international business editor for the Daily Telegraph in London, says debating the risk of a full-blown depression is pointless.

“There’s no risk,” Evans-Pritchard told Moneynews.com in a wide-ranging interview. “We’re in it. It’s begun.”

Evans-Pritchard has covered world politics and economics for 25 years. His reporting in the Telegraph about the global liquidity crisis and now banking crisis was way ahead of the curve.

In an exclusive interview, Evans-Pritchard compared the present economic environment to the beginning of the Great Depression, just before the European banking crisis of 1931 that took down the German and central European banking systems.

He pointed out that, during the past six months, the world’s major economies contracted at rates more severe than those of the 1930s.

source: http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/evans_pritchard_interview/2009/02/20/183719.html?s=al&promo_code=7AAB-1


Volcker: Crisis May Be Worse Than Depression


Friday, February 20, 2009 3:22 PM

The global economy may be deteriorating even faster than it did during the Great Depression, Paul Volcker, a top adviser to President Barack Obama, said on Friday.

Volcker noted that industrial production around the world was declining even more rapidly than in the United States, which is itself under severe strain.

"I don't remember any time, maybe even in the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast, quite so uniformly around the world," Volcker told a luncheon of economists and investors at Columbia University.


remainder of the article here: http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/recession/2009/02/20/183784.html

the by and by
02-23-2009, 08:49 PM
Tonight on Greta, B. Ayers will be interviewed, thought you might be interested. I think this is the first interview since B.O.'s election.

housemouse
02-24-2009, 07:45 PM
I decided to take a look at the astro-weather surrounding Obama's speech tonight.

There is a new moon at 6 Pisces. This is opposing Obama's Pluto. According to COSI, this indicates a biased attitude or changed circumstances lead to critical phases of development, or to separation from others.

In the chart for the speech, Pluto/Node is very near the Sun, suggesting the urge to impose one's will on others with ruthlessness, and vice versa.

I expect some pessimism in the speech, because the Saturn/Neptune midpoint is very close to the Moon.

Jupiter/Pluto is also involved, so President Obama has the desire to bring about social aspirations and improvements, the ability to influence the masses or the public through an appeal to the feelings, a good psychologist

Transiting Jupiter and Mercury are opposing Obama's Sun, so he has the opportunity to make a good speech. wealth of ideas, talkativeness, an orator with expressive gestures, an actor, success in one's vocation

Uranus/Pluto are also transiting Obama's Sun, along with Mars/Node. This lends comradeship, the will to unite with others, the inclination to form associations with others to serve one's own needs, the urge for independence and freedom, strong emotional tensions, the constant occupations with new things and plans

I hope it is at least an interesting and inspiring speech. We, the people, need some hope and inspiration at this point.

housemouse
02-24-2009, 09:16 PM
Well, he is late. Checking the time for the speech now!

butterfly1978
02-25-2009, 03:22 AM
Housemouse, Your chart was pretty accurate, even if the speech was a little late.

I hope you will continuee this I have been speaking to my family and friends for awhile about the things that are going to happen in America, of course no one believes me, but once I started reading here I was shocked to find that the charts match the things that I have been saying.

housemouse
02-25-2009, 01:16 PM
Butterfly, I do not follow the stock market, mostly because we are not investors. We just save, and hope the .gov doesn't inflate away our small savings for our retirement.

But, I usually have the news on in the background as I work, and some of the newsies seem to think it is a decent barometer of how the various "stimulus" plans, bills, and speeches made by Obama and his team are being received by those who do invest.

This morning, the market seems to be down again, suggesting that the traders and investors were not convinced that any of these plans will work, and that last night's speech, although eloquent, didn't change any minds.

One of these days, I have to start following the chart for the stock market, also the one for the Federal Reserve. So many charts, so little time!

housemouse
02-25-2009, 02:07 PM
Here is the link, for those of you who are interested.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090225/D96IFSC80.html

But, according to this news site, the public really liked what they heard. In my opinion, that was the Jupiter/Pluto contact to the New Moon last night.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/02/25/2009-02-25_president_obama_wins_big_points_with_spe.html

butterfly1978
02-27-2009, 02:32 PM
Housemouse I am going to take a chance and throw a question out there for you. I have heard about the things going on in Mexico, with the drug cartel and almost a civil war going on down there. I also heard yesterday that Mexico asked the American governemnt to change our gun laws and it was said that United states has an obligation to appease Mexico's request. They state that illegal guns are being smuggled into Mexico from the United states. My fear is that Obama will make it impossable for us to own guns, and that the fighting in Mexico will move here. LAst I heard there was major fighting going on less than 2 hours from the Texas, Mexico boarder. Is there anything in the charts showing that Mexico is a threat to us?

housemouse
02-27-2009, 04:14 PM
About a week os so ago, I decided that it might be time to take a look at Mexico's chart, and just like the USA chart, there seems to be some dispute among astrologers as to which chart is the correct one to use.

The one I finally picked is now in my charts file, and I will take some time to study it and let you know what I think.

That said, there is a very strong anti-gun movement, here is the USA, as you know. I have no doubt that the politicians would use any excuse to try to ban guns, but not sure they would get it past the Supreme Court.

Time to look for the dates of the last Mexican/American war, perhaps.

housemouse
02-27-2009, 04:37 PM
Found a news article that supports what you heard. I am linking to page 2 of the story, for those who want confirmation.

Looks like AttyGen Eric Holder wants to ban certain guns....

"Holder said the Obama administration would push for renewing a U.S. ban on assault rifles, but the timing was uncertain. "I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum," he said."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE51P0I820090226?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

housemouse
02-27-2009, 04:57 PM
Taking a very quick look at Mexico's chart, I see the potential for "stormy weather" toward the end of 2009, and early 2010.

There will be stressful aspects to Mexico's Chiron and Sun, involving Saturn and Pluto. As you know, in Mundane Astrology, the Sun represents the "head of state, president, king, ruler, etc.

Interesting that Mexico has a close, but out of sign, conjunction between Uranus and Neptune, in the 9th house, and Pluto is squaring the pair, from the 12th house. Mexico's Sun is also square Neptune.

In late May of this year, Neptune will be in stress aspect to Mexico's midheaven, along with Jupiter. Also in May, Saturn will make a station on Mexico's Mars.

butterfly1978
02-27-2009, 10:03 PM
Thank you House mouse. I am sorry I should have linked you to what Eric holder had said, about the US needing to appease the Mexican government. I was furious, but of course since, my husband and I came to realize that Obama would be the next president we realized that things were going to be changing, and the very first thing I said is we need to get a gun or 5.It was eerie to hear Mr. Holder say what he said the other day, but I have been following the activity in Mexico for about a year now. I dont know if you follow Glenn Beck but I do, (he is diffrent, I like him) but he first reported on the Mexican kidnapping ring, the drug Cartel, he has been real big on boarder patrol, NOT BECAUSE HE IS RACIST, but because it is a very shaky situation down there and with an open boarder it can easily spill over here and in some areas it all ready has.

I am probably about to lose all crediability here by making this comment, but housemouse, astrologically speaking, what signifigance is December 21, 2012 going to have? I am not talking conspiracy theories, but the fact that the galaxy is going to align and earth will be stuck in between Jupitar and the sun. Does this have anything to do with the increase in things that are happening world wide?

butterfly1978
02-27-2009, 10:05 PM
Sorry, I didnt say this earlier but thanks you for your response! I appreciate you greatly. I have lurked for a long time but just recently registered you do great work, you are truly blessed!

housemouse
02-27-2009, 11:48 PM
Thank you House mouse. I am sorry I should have linked you to what Eric holder had said, about the US needing to appease the Mexican government. I was furious, but of course since, my husband and I came to realize that Obama would be the next president we realized that things were going to be changing, and the very first thing I said is we need to get a gun or 5.It was eerie to hear Mr. Holder say what he said the other day, but I have been following the activity in Mexico for about a year now. I dont know if you follow Glenn Beck but I do, (he is diffrent, I like him) but he first reported on the Mexican kidnapping ring, the drug Cartel, he has been real big on boarder patrol, NOT BECAUSE HE IS RACIST, but because it is a very shaky situation down there and with an open boarder it can easily spill over here and in some areas it all ready has.

I am probably about to lose all crediability here by making this comment, but housemouse, astrologically speaking, what signifigance is December 21, 2012 going to have? I am not talking conspiracy theories, but the fact that the galaxy is going to align and earth will be stuck in between Jupitar and the sun. Does this have anything to do with the increase in things that are happening world wide?

What a good question! Everybody has an opinion on this, but I do not. I understand that the Mayans thought this was a significant date, and who am I to question?

My husband and I have both been watching Glenn Beck, and find him refreshingly honest about the situation we are facing. We also like some of the guests he has on, like Gerald Calente. This guy has a good track record, if I am to believe what I read on the net.

This is why the recommendation for fellow sleuthers to stock up on food, water, other neccessities, and be prepared for the worst.

Here is a link for those who have wandered in here. And, remember to watch that March full moon. Events around the 10th should be very interesting, give or take a few days.

http://www.***********/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977503258&nav=Explore

housemouse
02-28-2009, 12:01 AM
Just found this "podcast", and thought some might find it interesting. The meat of it starts about 5 minutes in...

http://odeo.com/episodes/23651756-Episode-97-Gerald-Celente-Predictions-and-My-Thoughts

Old Bird
02-28-2009, 03:46 PM
SOURCE:
http://www.rense.com/general85/act.htm

SNOPES: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp


If you haven't heard of this . . . read. Check it out; Google it, Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009, and read. Scary because this kind of stuff is alive and well!

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program. Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information..

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

·It is registered

·You are fingerprinted

·You supply a current Driver's License

·You supply your Social Security #

·You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing (SNOPES says this part is not quite true: applicants would have to authorize the release of any existing mental health records)

·Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

·There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

WildHeart
02-28-2009, 03:50 PM
John Hagee? Free Republic? A Gun nut's website? Let me just say that while I do very much believe in astrology it is no wonder some of you are scaring yourselves to death by using any of these as news sources. They are anything but. The only words I'd believe at any of those sites are "and, but, and the".

And Glen Beck? Like Rush Limbaugh, he's had his issues with substance abuse.

butterfly1978
02-28-2009, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the two links house mouse. Geroldo Celente is great, IMO. He is pretty accurate. Do you happen to know how he does his predictions? is it astrology or does he base his predictions on patterns and logic? Many of the things that he has said. I have said for a long time myself. I base mine off of logic. I sure would like to know how he predicts these events. I hope that America stands up. I had posted a blog a while back on myspace called What has happened to the backbone of America, where I talked about how complacent America as a society has become. People I know usually think I am negetive but, I'm not I see that everyone else is blind. You can not see what is going on and turn a blind eye to it and expect the government to fix things. I love the ant and grasshoppper story, I use it often, LOL.
The reason I had asked about 2012 is to see if you have cast a chart. I am kind of on the fence about what may or may not happen. I wish I could do charts. I have tried and I just can not make heads or tails out of them. I firmly believe in Forinsic astrology, and from the things I have read about 2012 it will be a major astrological event, something that happens only every 30,000 or so years and with the alignment of the galaxy with the planets it is hard for me to imagine that nothing will happen. Its not like 2000 which would have been a man made event. 2012 is a natural astrological event and I am curious as to what the impact will be.