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Pink Panther
10-07-2008, 10:03 PM
I think you are on to something Panther. Maybe KC finally got a motherly feeling in her body, and took a blanket of her mom's or something and wrapped little Caylee in a blanket to bury her. And later she realized she had to replace the blanket so her parents wouldn't notice.

(On an episode of CSI once Grissom new the mom had killed the baby because the baby was buried wrapped tightly with a blanket and a little toy, he said a random killer would not do that.,,

Just think maybe you are right Panther...about KC checking the credit limit. maybe she needed to shed her dirty clothes and buy new ones too after she got dirty burying the baby.

Well she definitely made purchases at JCPenney's with her mother's card (scroll up a few posts on this thread) and she called JCPenney's several times on June 27th and July 1rst (see the PING thread). Don't know why or what this has to do with anything but LP mentioned JCPenney's tonight on NG.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:03 PM
Hmmm...I am sure I heard that all the receipts were turned over except CA refused to hand over the JCPenney card. OK if this is not the case, I will need to take this over to the psychic thread :crazy:

I think we are getting confused between credit card statements and store receipts. LA gave the attorney receipts and LE had them as well. It was discussed in LA's interview.

rlms56
10-07-2008, 10:03 PM
Casey likes to talk on the phone. She knows she isn't free to do that from home because calls from there are listened in on.

SO, Casey may have gotten around that with a prepaid phone.

Also, LP implied tonight that TES and LE are closing in and about to find Caylee's body (where Casey hid her).

I think what LP said tonight was a message to Casey. "We know about the phone...we know where Caylee is too."

IMO

KC told LE in her initial interview she had 2 phones. Yes she lies, but there are bits of truths in it.

OpenMind4U
10-07-2008, 10:04 PM
...just a question: does anyone knows if use of internet or/and 'non-identified' cell phone while on bond/house arrest is prohibited? What if existance of this 'secret phone' could be used as the proof that Casey has broke the rule of the bond/house arrest and now court has foundation to rewoke the bond? Of course, my wishfull thinking:)....

rlms56
10-07-2008, 10:05 PM
I think we are getting confused between credit card statements and store receipts. LA gave the attorney receipts and LE had them as well. It was discussed in LA's interview.

True and a store receipt has the date and time on it.

Boston
10-07-2008, 10:06 PM
Casey likes to talk on the phone. She knows she isn't free to do that from home because calls from there are listened in on.

SO, Casey may have gotten around that with a prepaid phone.

Also, LP implied tonight that TES and LE are closing in and about to find Caylee's body (where Casey hid her).

I think what LP said tonight was a message to Casey. "We know about the phone...we know where Caylee is too."

IMO

While I do hope you are right i'm taking what LP says with a grain of salt as he has a history of contradictory statements -


Example - Just a week ago this is what he said on NG

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 3, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

PADILLA: I believe that law enforcement is pretty much convinced that the child cannot be found, shall we say, in a normal place where somebody would have buried her or put her in a -- under a tree or something to that effect. It`s either the landfill, or she put her into a pond, where an alligator has done their thing.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:06 PM
Casey likes to talk on the phone. She knows she isn't free to do that from home because calls from there are listened in on.

SO, Casey may have gotten around that with a prepaid phone.

Also, LP implied tonight that TES and LE are closing in and about to find Caylee's body (where Casey hid her).

I think what LP said tonight was a message to Casey. "We know about the phone...we know where Caylee is too."

IMO

I guess I'm not used to LP beating around the bush. He normally just spouts things out IMO and he isn't a "read between the lines" kind of guy. NG brought up the phone and he just said yes it was a possibility. I didn't read much more into it then just that.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:07 PM
True and a store receipt has the date and time on it.

Right where as a credit card statement would only have the date of purchase and amount.

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 10:08 PM
I am poor as a church mouse.... but I was able to donate twice since this all began, I make quilts and my proceeds went to TES..... I was so happy I was able to send MONEY to this cause. The money was going to be used for me to buy something for me, but finding Caylee is more important than a new outfit, so when Tim finds her I can say I helped.
Ahh, that is beautiful chesterp. Your post brought tears to my eyes.
Yes you can say you helped find her and helped to bring that precious little girl home. And I just have such a strong feeling she will be found really soon!
That is so touching. Thank you for sharing that.
God bless you always chesterp.:blowkiss:

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:09 PM
While I do hope you are right i'm taking what LP says with a grain of salt as he has a history of contradictory statements -


Example - Just a week ago this is what he said on NG

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 3, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

PADILLA: I believe that law enforcement is pretty much convinced that the child cannot be found, shall we say, in a normal place where somebody would have buried her or put her in a -- under a tree or something to that effect. It`s either the landfill, or she put her into a pond, where an alligator has done their thing.



I have to agree with Boston..I go back and forth with LP. He IMO seems to jump the gun and go with whatever theory is most recent. I think he changed his mind this time with the woman who claims to have seen KC's car and someone that looked like her coming from the woods. If we were to back track throughout this case I bet LP has had at least 6 solid theories and they all coincided with recent evidence. Don't get me wrong I think LP has a big heart and good intentions for the most part...but his theories change with every breeze that floats by.

karen7868
10-07-2008, 10:10 PM
Let's not forget about having to get a manicure too. She had to get them nice and scrubbed clean. Besides calling to check the balance, she was probably making her nail appointment at JC Penney's salon.

I wonder what shape her nails were in when she went to have them done on the 1st? I would love to ask the manicurist if they remember anything unusual while doing her nails.

Gaia713
10-07-2008, 10:11 PM
As for Baez, I really need to state this now. Not ALL lawyers are ethical. Maybe he and Casey are planning a trip to Mexico to look for Caylee (and never return. Her bracelet has no GPS on it and all it does is report her more than the agreed distance from her phone line. Once she is out of the house, she could be anywhere. Baez watching her is like the fox watching the hen house imo.

On August 21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_21), 1971 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971), three days before he was to go on trial, George Jackson was gunned down in the prison yard at San Quentin during an escape attempt.
According to the state of California[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], lawyer-activist Stephen Bingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Bingham) had smuggled a pistol concealed in a tape recorder into the prison to Jackson, who was housed in San Quentin's Adjustment Center time awaiting trial for the murder of a prison guard. On August 21, 1971, Jackson used the pistol, an Astra 9-mm semi-automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_weapon), to take over his tier in the Adjustment Center. In the failed escape attempt, six people were killed, including prison guards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_guard) Jere Graham, Frank DeLeon and Paul Krasnes, two white prisoners, and Jackson himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jackson_(Black_Panther)

leandjl
10-07-2008, 10:16 PM
Okay I feel really stupid but why would she have a secret cell phone? For what purpose? I doubt anyone that she knows wants or are talking to her. Maybe I'm missing something?

She needs a phone so she can stay in touch with CA every day or text her every day while she's at JB's office. Be in touch every day just like she was when she was missing from Hope Spring with Caylee................. CA doesn't speak the truth.

Boston
10-07-2008, 10:17 PM
I have to agree with Boston..I go back and forth with LP. He IMO seems to jump the gun and go with whatever theory is most recent. I think he changed his mind this time with the woman who claims to have seen KC's car and someone that looked like her coming from the woods. If we were to back track throughout this case I bet LP has had at least 6 solid theories and they all coincided with recent evidence. Don't get me wrong I think LP has a big heart and good intentions for the most part...but his theories change with every breeze that floats by.

It amazes me to no end -

If you go back & read NG's transcripts from just the past few weeks LP is all over the place.....

He states his theories with such a conviction that you believe he's sure about what he is saying

He had me convinced that KC put Caylee in the Recycling bin next to the dumpster at amscott but that was last week - this week it's something new

Truthwillsetufree
10-07-2008, 10:21 PM
Well she definitely made purchases at JCPenney's with her mother's card (scroll up a few posts on this thread) and she called JCPenney's several times on June 27th and July 1rst (see the PING thread). Don't know why or what this has to do with anything but LP mentioned JCPenney's tonight on NG.

I think The location of the JC Penney is a BIG factor in this story.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:25 PM
I think The location of the JC Penney is a BIG factor in this story.

Well JC Penney does have a nail salon..I don't think it has anything to do with anything but that is JMO.

Boston
10-07-2008, 10:26 PM
As for Baez, I really need to state this now. Not ALL lawyers are ethical. Maybe he and Casey are planning a trip to Mexico to look for Caylee (and never return. Her bracelet has no GPS on it and all it does is report her more than the agreed distance from her phone line. Once she is out of the house, she could be anywhere. Baez watching her is like the fox watching the hen house imo.

On August 21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_21), 1971 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971), three days before he was to go on trial, George Jackson was gunned down in the prison yard at San Quentin during an escape attempt.
According to the state of California[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], lawyer-activist Stephen Bingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Bingham) had smuggled a pistol concealed in a tape recorder into the prison to Jackson, who was housed in San Quentin's Adjustment Center time awaiting trial for the murder of a prison guard. On August 21, 1971, Jackson used the pistol, an Astra 9-mm semi-automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_weapon), to take over his tier in the Adjustment Center. In the failed escape attempt, six people were killed, including prison guards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_guard) Jere Graham, Frank DeLeon and Paul Krasnes, two white prisoners, and Jackson himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jackson_(Black_Panther)


You've got my imagination going now......Do we kow if Jose is married?

Does he have a family?

Seems odd that KC needs to spend 6 hours a day at his office

Chilly Willy
10-07-2008, 10:26 PM
It amazes me to no end -

If you go back & read NG's transcripts from just the past few weeks LP is all over the place.....

He states his theories with such a conviction that you believe he's sure about what he is saying

He had me convinced that KC put Caylee in the Recycling bin next to the dumpster at amscott but that was last week - this week it's something new

Yes, that was after Caylee died from jumping off a balcony while munching on a candy bar. LP just makes things up as he goes along. I can't understand why NG keeps having him on her show.

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 10:27 PM
I think The location of the JC Penney is a BIG factor in this story.

I do too, it's like I can't shake it. I'm going to do a search on all the JCP's in our area.

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 10:27 PM
I wonder if she is capable of feeling fear? We already know she doesn't feel guilt.

I think she feels a bit of both.. just differently then others.. very differently.

Pink Panther
10-07-2008, 10:29 PM
Yes, that was after Caylee died from jumping off a balcony while munching on a candy bar. LP just makes things up as he goes along. I can't understand why NG keeps having him on her show.
A lot of the times, it sounds to me like he's communicating with the A's. When he through that out about the balcony and the choking on candy - my impression was that he was saying...It's possible it was an accident. As in - opening the door to KC perhaps coming forward with a potential accident scenario. Could that make some sense of what he says?

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:31 PM
You've got my imagination going now......Do we kow if Jose is married?

Does he have a family?

Seems odd that KC needs to spend 6 hours a day at his office

Yes he is married from my understanding with kids.


She spends time at his office so she isn't home. He probably has a nice set up for her there.

suki
10-07-2008, 10:34 PM
I just wanted to mention something about her possible 'secret phone' as I think it was stated. Most of us might think of a cell phone or house phone but we should also add in the possibility that she might be using an Internet phone service - such as SKPE for example. And I'm sure we have all thought about this - while she is at her attorney's office, she might just be using HIS internet services and HIS phone services also. We, more than likely, will never know what happend behind closed doors.

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 10:34 PM
This has already probably been done, but no harm in posting it again I guess. Plus didn't Amy say Cindy picked her up at the Florida Mall? That mall is much closer to the airport than The Fashion Square Mall is. There is a bunch of wooded area not far from it off of Sand Lake Rd near Orange Ave, which kind of starts to go into the Taft area

JCPenney
West Oaks Mall
9409 W Colonial Dr
Ocoee, FL 34761Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 12:00-6:00 407-292-99154.9 miles
(http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.556647%3a-81.515833%3aRedCircle1%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=West+Oaks+Mall&storenum=2722&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=9409+W+Colonial+Dr&GAD3_D=Ocoee%2c+FL+34761&GCITY_D=Ocoee&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=34761&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)JCPenney
Orlando Fashion Sq
3115 E Colonial Dr
Orlando, FL 32803Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 11:00-6:00 407-896-10066.4 miles
JCPenney
Altamonte Spgs Mall
451 E Altamonte Dr Ste 1301
Altamonte Springs, FL 32701Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 11:00-7:00 407-332-96006.9 miles
(http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.66621%3a-81.37676%3aRedCircle3%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=Altamonte+Spgs+Mall&storenum=0321&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=451+E+Altamonte+Dr+Ste+1301&GAD3_D=Altamonte+Springs%2c+FL+32701&GCITY_D=Altamonte+Springs&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32701&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)JCPenney
The Florida Mall
8001 S Orange Blossom Ste 700
Orlando, FL 32809Mon-Sat 10:00-9:30
Sun 11:00-7:00 407-851-520010.1 miles
(http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.44449%3a-81.39627%3aRedCircle4%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=The+Florida+Mall&storenum=2069&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=8001+S+Orange+Blossom+Ste+700&GAD3_D=Orlando%2c+FL+32809&GCITY_D=Orlando&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32809&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)JCPenney
Seminole Towne Ctr
310 Towne Ctr Cir
Sanford, FL 32771Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 12:00-6:00 407-323-131016.5 miles
(http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.80384%3a-81.33665%3aRedCircle5%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=Seminole+Towne+Ctr&storenum=0718&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=310+Towne+Ctr+Cir&GAD3_D=Sanford%2c+FL+32771&GCITY_D=Sanford&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32771&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)

rlms56
10-07-2008, 10:34 PM
I do too, it's like I can't shake it. I'm going to do a search on all the JCP's in our area.

ITA.....where is the closest JCPenney to the Anthony's home?

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:37 PM
We need to look on the ping thread and find out what number was called that would narrow it down. Anyone want to help dig?

rlms56
10-07-2008, 10:38 PM
I suppose LE matched the JCPenney location with the cell phone pings and towers. My guess is that is where TES will be searching.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:38 PM
Lp on NG again...if anyone wants to listen again.

rlms56
10-07-2008, 10:38 PM
We need to look on the ping thread and find out what number was called that would narrow it down. Anyone want to help dig?

We must have posted at the same time! GMTA!

Chilly Willy
10-07-2008, 10:39 PM
A lot of the times, it sounds to me like he's communicating with the A's. When he through that out about the balcony and the choking on candy - my impression was that he was saying...It's possible it was an accident. As in - opening the door to KC perhaps coming forward with a potential accident scenario. Could that make some sense of what he says?

I don't think that's it. LP made up the story a few days ago about Casey staking out the Sawgrass apts while driving Tony's Jeep on 6/17. That was a complete fantasy on his part - what would the story communicate to the A's?

Pink Panther
10-07-2008, 10:39 PM
This has already probably been done, but no harm in posting it again I guess. Plus didn't Amy say Cindy picked her up at the Florida Mall? That mall is much closer to the airport than The Fashion Square Mall is. There is a bunch of wooded area not far from it off of Sand Lake Rd near Orange Ave, which kind of starts to go into the Taft area

JCPenney
West Oaks Mall
9409 W Colonial Dr
Ocoee, FL 34761Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 12:00-6:00 407-292-99154.9 milesDriving
Directions (http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.556647%3a-81.515833%3aRedCircle1%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=West+Oaks+Mall&storenum=2722&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=9409+W+Colonial+Dr&GAD3_D=Ocoee%2c+FL+34761&GCITY_D=Ocoee&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=34761&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)http://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gif2 JCPenney
Orlando Fashion Sq
3115 E Colonial Dr
Orlando, FL 32803Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 11:00-6:00 407-896-10066.4 milesDriving
Directions (http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.555677%3a-81.341351%3aRedCircle2%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=Orlando+Fashion+Sq&storenum=0709&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=3115+E+Colonial+Dr&GAD3_D=Orlando%2c+FL+32803&GCITY_D=Orlando&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32803&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)http://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gif3 JCPenney
Altamonte Spgs Mall
451 E Altamonte Dr Ste 1301
Altamonte Springs, FL 32701Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 11:00-7:00 407-332-96006.9 milesDriving
Directions (http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.66621%3a-81.37676%3aRedCircle3%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=Altamonte+Spgs+Mall&storenum=0321&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=451+E+Altamonte+Dr+Ste+1301&GAD3_D=Altamonte+Springs%2c+FL+32701&GCITY_D=Altamonte+Springs&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32701&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)http://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gif4 JCPenney
The Florida Mall
8001 S Orange Blossom Ste 700
Orlando, FL 32809Mon-Sat 10:00-9:30
Sun 11:00-7:00 407-851-520010.1 milesDriving
Directions (http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.44449%3a-81.39627%3aRedCircle4%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=The+Florida+Mall&storenum=2069&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=8001+S+Orange+Blossom+Ste+700&GAD3_D=Orlando%2c+FL+32809&GCITY_D=Orlando&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32809&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)http://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gif5 JCPenney
Seminole Towne Ctr
310 Towne Ctr Cir
Sanford, FL 32771Mon-Sat 10:00-9:00
Sun 12:00-6:00 407-323-131016.5 milesDriving
Directions (http://www5.jcpenney.com/jcp/StoreLocatorDirections.aspx?IC_O=28.5841282330918% 3a-81.4422194367482%3a32%3a32808&IC_D=28.80384%3a-81.33665%3aRedCircle5%3aJCPenney&GAD2_O=&GAD3_O=32808&GCITY_O=&GSTATE_O=&GZIP_O=&GAD4_O=&GAD1_D=JCPenney&Address2=Seminole+Towne+Ctr&storenum=0718&recipient_name=&notify_phone=&dzip=&context=&action=ViewStore&nickname=&iia=&GAD2_D=310+Towne+Ctr+Cir&GAD3_D=Sanford%2c+FL+32771&GCITY_D=Sanford&GSTATE_D=FL&GZIP_D=32771&GAD4_D=USA&CmCatId=customerservice|storelocatormenu)http://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gifhttp://cache.jcpenney.com/images/seasonal/colorchange/spacer.gif

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The two purchases she made at JCPenneys on June 27th and July 1rst are both listed as being made at the Fashion Square mall on LA's written list of receipts. Don't know of any others that may not have been released.

Here's the link:

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/la092308.pdf

chesterp
10-07-2008, 10:40 PM
I just wanted to mention something about her possible 'secret phone' as I think it was stated. Most of us might think of a cell phone or house phone but we should also add in the possibility that she might be using an Internet phone service - such as SKPE for example. And I'm sure we have all thought about this - while she is at her attorney's office, she might just be using HIS internet services and HIS phone services also. We, more than likely, will never know what happend behind closed doors.

Yes, I have used Skype when my friend was in Thailand, it is free.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:40 PM
We must have posted at the same time! GMTA!

Right we need to go to that thread and see which JC Penney she called.

Truthwillsetufree
10-07-2008, 10:42 PM
I do too, it's like I can't shake it. I'm going to do a search on all the JCP's in our area.

I just did one and since I'm in Texas and unfamiliar with the area I can not figure out which one would be the one she would most likely go to since she is so short of fuel most of the time. I did a Google search, satellite and then street view, but a better location would help.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:42 PM
Okay thanks PP for saving us the trouble..I forgot about that list. Now I need to go look at when it was said that she had a manicure. I'm thinking that could be the $31.83 charge, sounds about right for a mani.

Pink Panther
10-07-2008, 10:42 PM
Right we need to go to that thread and see which JC Penney she called.Go to the ping thread...They've been listed! :)

rlms56
10-07-2008, 10:43 PM
What date did LP say there was a large gap in her cellphone calls?

kathyn2
10-07-2008, 10:43 PM
I wish that LE could get ahold of this phone she supposedly has and find out who she is calling. I would love to know what sort of person is still friendly to her that she knew. That would give us a big hint on who may know something or be in cajoots with her if anyone is (I have always doubted that but LP thinks she has a cohort).

Pink Panther
10-07-2008, 10:43 PM
Okay thanks PP for saving us the trouble..I forgot about that list. Now I need to go look at when it was said that she had a manicure. I'm thinking that could be the $31.83 charge, sounds about right for a mani.
I think it was July 1rst???

CrimeAddict
10-07-2008, 10:45 PM
The two purchases she made at JCPenneys on June 27th and July 1rst are both listed as being made at the Fashion Square mall on LA's written list of receipts. Don't know of any others that may not have been released.

Here's the link:

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/la092308.pdf

Sounds to me like she called to make sure she could buy a new outfit so she could throw away hers because she knew she would get it smelling bad after dumping the body. Man, this is all coming together now isnt it, its freaky.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:45 PM
I think it was July 1rst???

That's what I thought and that is when one of the charges to JC Penney was made..interesting. Now I need to see if she called that one on this day to maybe make an appt?

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 10:47 PM
I just did one and since I'm in Texas and unfamiliar with the area I can not figure out which one would be the one she would most likely go to since she is so short of fuel most of the time. I did a Google search, satellite and then street view, but a better location would help.

Neither the Fashion Square Mall or Florida Mall are real close to the Anthony home, but my guess would be Florida Mall, it is close to the airport. From 436 take Airport Rd, to Sand Lake Road and the Mall would be on the left. I'm sure she visted that mall, it's pretty popular around here.

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 10:48 PM
I suppose LE matched the JCPenney location with the cell phone pings and towers. My guess is that is where TES will be searching.

ITA, I truly believe that there was alot of 'brainstorming' going on with LE & LP when LE went to visit them:waitasec:

I think that TES, LE & LP are going to prove that they are 'tighter' than the A family! AND, they have truth on their side!

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 10:49 PM
Oh and as others have said they do have her at The Fashion Square Mall, but I'm just really curious to know if anything came up at The Fl Mall? Especially since that is where Cindy picked up Amy the night they went to go get Casey from Tony's. It is the closest mall to the Airport.

Boston
10-07-2008, 10:49 PM
Yes he is married from my understanding with kids.


She spends time at his office so she isn't home. He probably has a nice set up for her there.

I wonder how Mrs Baez feels about Casey spending so much time with Jose?

I mean really......What could they possible be doing all day? <sarcasm

I can't wait until she's charged with murder & her bail is revoked

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 10:50 PM
How close is the wooded area where the car like Casey's and the slight built woman with hat, coming out of woods, to a JC Penney store?
Is it close by?

Suzie002
10-07-2008, 10:52 PM
Wasn't it the JCPenney credit card receipt that CA would not give to LE?!

Could it have been a suitcase or something that she bought there? Is that why the receipt is missing? LP said that she called Amy on the morning of the 27th to say the smell was gone. I wonder what she bought at JCPenny if anything.

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 10:52 PM
How close is the wooded area where the car like Casey's and the slight built woman with hat, coming out of woods, to a JC Penney store?
Is it close by?

The FL Mall would be the one. It isn't that close though, she would have had to travel a bit.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:53 PM
That's what I thought and that is when one of the charges to JC Penney was made..interesting. Now I need to see if she called that one on this day to maybe make an appt?

It appears that KC called the 800 number of JC Penney which is the credit line not the store. I'm sure she was checking the balance to see how much more money she could blow of her mothers before hitting the limit.

Boston
10-07-2008, 10:53 PM
I don't think that's it. LP made up the story a few days ago about Casey staking out the Sawgrass apts while driving Tony's Jeep on 6/17. That was a complete fantasy on his part - what would the story communicate to the A's?

He also said that he thought Caylee had drowned in the pool & then when Casey put her in the trunk the chlorine from the pool got mixed in with urine from one of Caylee's dirty diapers & that was the reason for the chloroform

Not sure of his exact words, I could look them up, but it was something along those lines.

karen7868
10-07-2008, 10:53 PM
I wish that LE could get ahold of this phone she supposedly has and find out who she is calling. I would love to know what sort of person is still friendly to her that she knew. That would give us a big hint on who may know something or be in cajoots with her if anyone is (I have always doubted that but LP thinks she has a cohort).

Ya know, after all the documents I have read, I think the ONLY person that could possibly still want to have anything to do with her is WW.

I, like some others here at WS, thought he was just too smitten with her and sounds a little odd and desperate.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:54 PM
I wonder how Mrs Baez feels about Casey spending so much time with Jose?

I mean really......What could they possible be doing all day? <sarcasm

I can't wait until she's charged with murder & her bail is revoked

She's probably sitting back waiting for their big "pay day" I'm sure KC is not a threat to her at all. KC is just hiding out there playing online, watching some TV, snacking etc. she doesn't want to be inside that house with CA.

Suzie002
10-07-2008, 10:56 PM
[QUOTE=vickycopsy;2786565]I think you are on to something Panther. Maybe KC finally got a motherly feeling in her body, and took a blanket of her mom's or something and wrapped little Caylee in a blanket to bury her. And later she realized she had to replace the blanket so her parents wouldn't notice.

(On an episode of CSI once Grissom new the mom had killed the baby because the baby was buried wrapped tightly with a blanket and a little toy, he said a random killer would not do that.,,

I think if she did get a motherly feeling, she would have buried her with the doll that she never left without. But that was found in the car.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 10:56 PM
He also said that he thought Caylee had drowned in the pool & then when Casey put her in the trunk the chlorine from the pool got mixed in with urine from one of Caylee's dirty diapers & that was the reason for the chloroform

Not sure of his exact words, I could look them up, but it was something along those lines.

Lets not forget about he early theories of KC being with the Nanny, then with friends of KC in NY, PR,etc..I've counted about 6 "solid" theories he has had so far..and it's not over. As I said..I honestly think he wants to help bring Caylee home but he is way too vocal IMO.

lizzysf
10-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Niki Pierce - "KC is at JB's office from 10am - 4pm Mon. thru Fri."

Can you even believe that? What do you suppose she does there all day? How is Baez paying his bills? Is Casey his only client? You would think she would be at home with her supportive family...LOL ! They obviously can't be in the same room very easily....

Boston
10-07-2008, 10:57 PM
It appears that KC called the 800 number of JC Penney which is the credit line not the store. I'm sure she was checking the balance to see how much more money she could blow of her mothers before hitting the limit.

That makes perfect sense.

ElizaAvalon
10-07-2008, 10:58 PM
Well she definitely made purchases at JCPenney's with her mother's card (scroll up a few posts on this thread) and she called JCPenney's several times on June 27th and July 1rst (see the PING thread). Don't know why or what this has to do with anything but LP mentioned JCPenney's tonight on NG.

I don't know if this has been discussed, but Cindy found (and took back) the JCPenney card out of Casey's wallet that had been dumped on the floor when Lee retrieved her stuff from Tony's.

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 10:59 PM
I have felt this as well. I think it will all come out. I can't wait ti wipe that smirk off her face and to see Cindys face

It'll never happen. She will be smirking all the way to death row if that's where they send her. And Cindy will be denying until the day she dies!

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:00 PM
Ya know, after all the documents I have read, I think the ONLY person that could possibly still want to have anything to do with her is WW.

I, like some others here at WS, thought he was just too smitten with her and sounds a little odd and desperate.

I agree!

alwaysonmymind
10-07-2008, 11:00 PM
I wish that LE could get ahold of this phone she supposedly has and find out who she is calling. I would love to know what sort of person is still friendly to her that she knew. That would give us a big hint on who may know something or be in cajoots with her if anyone is (I have always doubted that but LP thinks she has a cohort).


I'm hoping LE has the A's house wired w/ listening devices. Maybe they can get some more incriminating evidence that way...

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:01 PM
It'll never happen. She will be smirking all the way to death row if that's where they send her. And Cindy will be denying until the day she dies!


ITA..she will NEVER let anyone see her sweat..ever.

karenmamo
10-07-2008, 11:01 PM
Yes she did and she also called JCPenney's. It was tracked by one of our sleuther's in the PING THREAD.

Might it have been the jcp records Cindy did not want to release to LE? She said: There was nothing important on them. Hmmmmm:confused:

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:01 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed, but Cindy found (and took back) the JCPenney card out of Casey's wallet that had been dumped on the floor when Lee retrieved her stuff from Tony's.

Yes she did!

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 11:01 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed, but Cindy found (and took back) the JCPenney card out of Casey's wallet that had been dumped on the floor when Lee retrieved her stuff from Tony's.

That's right I remember that now! That is when she took the money out of the wallet too! Figured it was hers too I guess!

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:02 PM
Ya know, after all the documents I have read, I think the ONLY person that could possibly still want to have anything to do with her is WW.

I, like some others here at WS, thought he was just too smitten with her and sounds a little odd and desperate.

Ya know, Karen, my hinky meter went off when I read his interreview. I got the impression that he was like a puppy dog where casey was concerned.

It would not suprise me if she came to him and made up some lie about someone in her family hurting Caylee and if he would help her hide/cover up. He was the only one she could turn to, you knoe, that damsel in distress kind of thing. Just my opinion because he was so into her. I think she is use to manipulating people, and it wouldn't be hard for her, with him

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:02 PM
Might it have been the jcp records Cindy did not want to release to LE? She said: There was nothing important on them. Hmmmmm:confused:

All LE would have to do is subpeona to get them so whatever she thought she could try and hide I have no idea.

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 11:03 PM
Might it have been the jcp records Cindy did not want to release to LE? She said: There was nothing important on them. Hmmmmm:confused:

Well if there was nothing important on them, then why not show them? That sure makes me wonder, what is she trying to hide? Can LE get the records without her consent? Never mind MD already answered that! lol

karenmamo
10-07-2008, 11:03 PM
Christmas is around the corner. As much as we adults like our surprises under the tree, it really is about the kids. How many gift exchanges do we all do at Christmas....families, office, church etc. Lots of families set a dollar limit. What if this year we asked every single person in the exchange to pool their money together to make a gift to TES. Don't take from the little ones in the exchange, but most of us adults don't really need another thing.
When my children were very very young I took them to the toy store to pick out something they really wanted from Santa. We then had them take that item to the check out and had them put it in the toys for tots bin. Naturally Santa also brought that same item to them.
As you all know I have 2 grandsons and a new one due early Dec. We are traveling to Europe where my daughter & her family livefor the birth of our new grandson. WHile I have already purchased some Santa for the kids, I will also give a donation to TES in all three of their names, explaining to the 2 older ones who they are and what they do. I think another perfect gift for the older ones ( 8 & 9) is a new piggy bank. I can hand paint TES on it and ask them to save 1.00 a wk until next Christmas ( just in that bank) and make another donation next year. Let's challenge each other for ways to help get others involved with TES and educating them on who they are. The greatest holiday gift we can give is HOPE to all families that Tim will always have the resources he needs to help all families. It could be any of us that has someone we know and love go missing. We can help him 1.00 at a time & we can teach our kids to do the same.

what a loving post....:clap::clap::clap:
.......and congrats on that new one coming.

karen7868
10-07-2008, 11:03 PM
Another thought about the KC having a "secret" phone. I have often thought she was in the phone sex business.

Would she need one to keep up with the facade and if someone calls her on a regular basis, she wouldn't someone putting 2 + 2 together.

The that person stops getting calls from this woman and sees her on the news.

I know this is not making much sense, it's getting late and I need to be going to bed.

I know a lot of people doesn't think she would have been in the sex business because she never had any money.

My thoughts about that are things are expensive now days, and let's face it, KC has a problem getting her priorities straight, tattoos are expensive, and who's not to say she has been stashing away money to set up house when she fled Florida.

I'll go now. I know I probably irritate other posters.

kajohn
10-07-2008, 11:04 PM
Heres the link to Casey's conditions for Home Confinement.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42181239.pdf

Page 3 and 4 contain the stipulations regarding telephones.

Stipulation 1 is Telephone calls are limited to 5 minutes. LOL!!

I can't quite understand what they are saying in reference to what kind of Cell Phone she can have as addressed on Page 4. Can someone figure it out?

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:04 PM
Ya know, after all the documents I have read, I think the ONLY person that could possibly still want to have anything to do with her is WW.

I, like some others here at WS, thought he was just too smitten with her and sounds a little odd and desperate.
You may be right, but it's hard for me to believe that there's anyone that would have anything to do with her at all!
Do you think that after reading and hearing everything that's come out about KC, that WW could be that desperate?

Boston
10-07-2008, 11:05 PM
He also said that he thought Caylee had drowned in the pool & then when Casey put her in the trunk the chlorine from the pool got mixed in with urine from one of Caylee's dirty diapers & that was the reason for the chloroform

Not sure of his exact words, I could look them up, but it was something along those lines.



Here's the exact quote.....

PADILLA: I believe that possibly the child drowned, she hurriedly picked her up out of the pool, the diaper had urine, the chlorine, throw her in the trunk, and then try and figure out, now what do I do? I`ve got a dead child, what do I do?

dreamweaver
10-07-2008, 11:06 PM
I wish that LE could get ahold of this phone she supposedly has and find out who she is calling. I would love to know what sort of person is still friendly to her that she knew. That would give us a big hint on who may know something or be in cajoots with her if anyone is (I have always doubted that but LP thinks she has a cohort).
____________________________________________
My opinion: Lee would help out Casey. Maybe he bought a pre paid cell phone and gave it to her. Still, like one of the people said tonight on NG, LE would know if there was another cell phone being used other than the ones they have been tracking.

karenmamo
10-07-2008, 11:07 PM
she had Cindys JC penny card in her wallet when LA retreived her
things from TONE .........

I didnt catch it all but LP says JC Penny has alot to do with
where or when kaylee was disposed of ........ will watch the rerun
and get it right

Stay tuned

.........could this be in reference to a 'rug' I heard about somewhere back when the searches were going on? Rug and something else?
hmmmmmm

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:07 PM
Heres the link to Casey's conditions for Home Confinement.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42181239.pdf

Page 3 and 4 contain the stipulations regarding telephones.

Stipulation 1 is Telephone calls are limited to 5 minutes. LOL!!

I can't quite understand what they are saying in reference to what kind of Cell Phone she can have as addressed on Page 4. Can someone figure it out?

I believe it is saying the land line phone is subjected to the rules on that page b/c her monitoring device is hooked up to that phone line. The last thing it says is cell phones and other landline phones NOT hooked up to the monitoring device line, are not subjected to the rules.

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:07 PM
You may be right, but it's hard for me to believe that there's anyone that would have anything to do with her at all!
Do you think that after reading and hearing everything that's come out about KC, that WW could be that desperate?

Hey sweetmop, read my post above and see what you think! If WW really believed her which is NOT hard to imagine because I have seen people who don't even know casey, that believe her.

Anyway, read my post and tell me your opinion :blowkiss: I do value it!

Chilly Willy
10-07-2008, 11:09 PM
Here's the exact quote.....

PADILLA: I believe that possibly the child drowned, she hurriedly picked her up out of the pool, the diaper had urine, the chlorine, throw her in the trunk, and then try and figure out, now what do I do? I`ve got a dead child, what do I do?

Was there a pool underneath the balcony that Caylee jumped off of while eating a candy bar?

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:10 PM
Was there a pool underneath the balcony that Caylee jumped off of while eating a candy bar?

Yes in NY and PR...

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:12 PM
Was there a pool underneath the balcony that Caylee jumped off of while eating a candy bar?

Hahaha! LMAO, He is throwing out theories trying to make sense of this madness. God knows my theories have changed with each doc dump :waitasec:

3doglady
10-07-2008, 11:12 PM
Maybe Kc is using the secret phone to call the female body guard that stayed with her while on LP's bond. Did she ever tell LE what KC said to her?

nancy botwin
10-07-2008, 11:16 PM
Ya know, Karen, my hinky meter went off when I read his interreview. I got the impression that he was like a puppy dog where casey was concerned.

It would not suprise me if she came to him and made up some lie about someone in her family hurting Caylee and if he would help her hide/cover up. He was the only one she could turn to, you knoe, that damsel in distress kind of thing. Just my opinion because he was so into her. I think she is use to manipulating people, and it wouldn't be hard for her, with him


Ya know, after all the documents I have read, I think the ONLY person that could possibly still want to have anything to do with her is WW.

I, like some others here at WS, thought he was just too smitten with her and sounds a little odd and desperate.

I agree! Remember how, before he made his myspace private, his "Who I want to meet" field read "I met you a short while ago but you are on a little vacation right now. but will see you soon we all hope." --??

IMO we'll be hearing more about WW. Until then, he has a message for us-- http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/waterswalkaroundapark.jpg

karenmamo
10-07-2008, 11:16 PM
I guess I'm not used to LP beating around the bush. He normally just spouts things out IMO and he isn't a "read between the lines" kind of guy. NG brought up the phone and he just said yes it was a possibility. I didn't read much more into it then just that.

Is it possible.....LP already had the info about phone and before the show let NG know ahead of time.
Some of that show is planned for sure.
As I have mentioned before, her guests know she will diss them and they often giggle when she does it. They know what is coming--especially the lawyers.

shivs
10-07-2008, 11:21 PM
I agree! Remember how, before he made his myspace private, his "Who I want to meet" field read "I met you a short while ago but you are on a little vacation right now. but will see you soon we all hope." --??

IMO we'll be hearing more about WW.



I wish WW would use proper grammar. Thant was a painful read! :crazy:

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:22 PM
You may be right, but it's hard for me to believe that there's anyone that would have anything to do with her at all!
Do you think that after reading and hearing everything that's come out about KC, that WW could be that desperate?

You'd be amazed how charming a person like Casey can be. Absolutely amazed!

LeLe1953
10-07-2008, 11:23 PM
I suppose LE matched the JCPenney location with the cell phone pings and towers. My guess is that is where TES will be searching.
I watched NG for the 2nd time b/c I wanted to re hear that statement about JCP . LP said she returned to her parents home on the 27th, spending 15 minutes on the phone with JCP. I think he then said something about 2 areas of interest based on pings very close to the home. I took it these were in between her home and JCP ??????????????? :confused: Wish I had recorded it so I could play it again....maybe she is on again and I will t voe

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:25 PM
Ya know, Karen, my hinky meter went off when I read his interreview. I got the impression that he was like a puppy dog where casey was concerned.

It would not suprise me if she came to him and made up some lie about someone in her family hurting Caylee and if he would help her hide/cover up. He was the only one she could turn to, you knoe, that damsel in distress kind of thing. Just my opinion because he was so into her. I think she is use to manipulating people, and it wouldn't be hard for her, with him
Ok... let me check this out:)
This is a good post, btw Lovejac!:)

So I see what you're saying here. And if she had the opportunity to talk to him "privately" , if he's really infatuated with her, this is a very good possibility. Poor guy, he's playing with the devil! :eek:

It seems that after seeing, reading and hearing all of the info that's come out, there wouldn't be anyone that would want to have anything to do with her. But I keep reminding myself that some of these players don't have the same thoughts on things as I do. lol! And she most definately knows how to manipulate, for sure!

And then again, some of these guys may not care what she may have done to her daughter, they just think she's hot.:yuck:

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 11:27 PM
Ok... let me check this out:)
This is a good post, btw Lovejac!:)

So I see what you're saying here. And if she had the opportunity to talk to him "privately" , if he's really infatuated with her, this is a very good possibility. Poor guy, he's playing with the devil! :eek:

It seems that after seeing, reading and hearing all of the info that's come out, there wouldn't be anyone that would want to have anything to do with her. But I keep reminding myself that some of these players don't have the same thoughts on things as I do. lol! And she most definately knows how to manipulate, for sure!

And then again, some of these guys may not care what she may have done to her daughter, they just think she's hot.:yuck:


Actually my own son said that, he is soon to be 23 and I had to stop myself from smacking him in the head! I did give him about 20 mins of verbal hell though after he said it!

Voice4theSilent
10-07-2008, 11:28 PM
I watched NG for the 2nd time b/c I wanted to re hear that statement about JCP . LP said she returned to her parents home on the 27th, spending 15 minutes on the phone with JCP. I think he then said something about 2 areas of interest based on pings very close to the home. I took it these were in between her home and JCP ??????????????? :confused: Wish I had recorded it so I could play it again....maybe she is on again and I will t voe

LP on NG 10/07/08-

“She, uh, she has no fear and the reason she has no fear is because she figures she is in complete control of the situation. She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it. TM has access to the same information that LE and my partner Rob have. And that is they know exactly where she was....on those days...that took place between the 16th and the 30th and TM I am telling you he is the best equipped, he is the most knowledgeable and HE WILL FIND Caylee…I guarantee you that.”

NG asks LP if KC would be stupid enough to go to the body….
“Oh yeah, she figures she is in complete control and I can tell you this, she knows where the body is and my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid because she is that idiotic about doing things. She figures, “I am in control… I know where the body is at.” A LOT of other people know where the body is at too because between the 26th and the 28th…I will tell you when she got rid of the body it was prior to the 27th when she called Amy and says, “I got rid of the smell in the car.” The night of the 26th she parked the car there at Amscot. The morning of the 27th she went and picked the car back up went to her mom’s, she called JCP and there are a couple signals down there in that area where she spent about 15 minutes …that’s where the body is going to be found and I’m telling you TM is going to get it done. She is concerned about that!”

According to the show....Search Focus - Blanchard Park, Airport Area and a nearby landfill.

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:30 PM
I agree! Remember how, before he made his myspace private, his "Who I want to meet" field read "I met you a short while ago but you are on a little vacation right now. but will see you soon we all hope." --??

IMO we'll be hearing more about WW.

uhh huh. I really think something is up with him- his interview with police was odd... he's an odd one. I think we will hear more about him as well.

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:30 PM
You'd be amazed how charming a person like Casey can be. Absolutely amazed!
I just find it difficult to believe that she can sucker somone now, since all of this info on her has been released.
Though I'm sure that to some, that alone makes the thought of her even more exciting! Yuck! I'm gonna be sick now!:sick:

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Is it possible.....LP already had the info about phone and before the show let NG know ahead of time.
Some of that show is planned for sure.
As I have mentioned before, her guests know she will diss them and they often giggle when she does it. They know what is coming--especially the lawyers.

Possibly but normally he shocks the socks off NG and just spouts stuff out. NG's guests know exactly what they are getting into. I was actually surprised then not so surprised to see T. Miller back on her show. I thought she was terrible to him.

Samijeansg
10-07-2008, 11:31 PM
LP on NG 10/07/08-

“She, uh, she has no fear and the reason she has no fear is because she figures she is in complete control of the situation. She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it. TM has access to the same information that LE and my partner Rob have. And that is they know exactly where she was....on those days...that took place between the 16th and the 30th and TM I am telling you he is the best equipped, he is the most knowledgeable and HE WILL FIND Caylee…I guarantee you that.”

NG asks DP if KC would be stupid enough to go to the body….
“Oh yeah, she figures she is in complete control and I can tell you this, she knows where the body is and my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid because she is that idiotic about doing things. She figures, “I am in control… I know where the body is at.” A LOT of other people know where the body is at too because between the 26th and the 28th…I will tell you when she got rid of the body it was prior to the 27th when she called Amy and says, “I got rid of the smell in the car.” The night of the 26th she parked the car there at Amscot. The morning of the 27th she went and picked the car back up went to her mom’s, she called JCP and there are a couple signals down there in that area where she spent about 15 minutes …that’s where the body is going to be found and I’m telling you TM is going to get it done. She is concerned about that!”

According to the show....Search Focus - Blanchard Park, Airport Area and a nearby landfill.


:clap: Nice JOB!

bayterrace11360
10-07-2008, 11:32 PM
I believe it is saying the land line phone is subjected to the rules on that page b/c her monitoring device is hooked up to that phone line. The last thing it says is cell phones and other landline phones NOT hooked up to the monitoring device line, are not subjected to the rules.

I'm sure CA has already bought her a pre-paid cell.

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:33 PM
I wish WW would use proper grammar. Thant was a painful read! :crazy:

Hi Shivs! :U There:

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:33 PM
LP on NG 10/07/08-

“She, uh, she has no fear and the reason she has no fear is because she figures she is in complete control of the situation. She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it. TM has access to the same information that LE and my partner Rob have. And that is they know exactly where she was....on those days...that took place between the 16th and the 30th and TM I am telling you he is the best equipped, he is the most knowledgeable and HE WILL FIND Caylee…I guarantee you that.”

NG asks DP if KC would be stupid enough to go to the body….
“Oh yeah, she figures she is in complete control and I can tell you this, she knows where the body is and my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid because she is that idiotic about doing things. She figures, “I am in control… I know where the body is at.” A LOT of other people know where the body is at too because between the 26th and the 28th…I will tell you when she got rid of the body it was prior to the 27th when she called Amy and says, “I got rid of the smell in the car.” The night of the 26th she parked the car there at Amscot. The morning of the 27th she went and picked the car back up went to her mom’s, she called JCP and there are a couple signals down there in that area where she spent about 15 minutes …that’s where the body is going to be found and I’m telling you TM is going to get it done. She is concerned about that!”

According to the show....Search Focus - Blanchard Park, Airport Area and a nearby landfill.


Firstly thanks for posting that...:blowkiss: Bolded part by me...

Didn't the Amscot employee see the car at the Amscott at 7 AM the morning of the 27th????

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:34 PM
I just find it difficult to believe that she can sucker somone now, since all of this info on her has been released.
Though I'm sure that to some, that alone makes the thought of her even more exciting! Yuck! I'm gonna be sick now!:sick:

It's like the prison groupies, ya know? nasty, yes!

Shermie
10-07-2008, 11:34 PM
This doors to Nancy Grace Show will open at show time.

PLEASE stay on topic of the Anthony case ONLY while discussing the show.


Nancy Grace, October 7, Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX0uNLBB30A

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuLoczamUz8

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsQMgV_5Zq8

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUmGj9bJYLA
(all "Drew Peterson")

LeLe1953
10-07-2008, 11:38 PM
what a loving post....:clap::clap::clap:
.......and congrats on that new one coming.

:blowkiss: Thank you. We are so blessed. I am so grateful NG has kept this story out there. I am even more grateful she has had Tim on so often. When I signed the Lifetime Petiton I suggested they make the movie but give the million to TES instead of the Anthonys. Maybe we can NG to beat that horse.:)

Invisible
10-07-2008, 11:39 PM
He should get all that reward money if/WHEN he finds her.

Good idea, Janis.

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:39 PM
Actually my own son said that, he is soon to be 23 and I had to stop myself from smacking him in the head! I did give him about 20 mins of verbal hell though after he said it!
lol! Well the young male species thinks in a whole different manner than you or I do. That's a fact. lol! :)
That's funny, because to me, there's nothing pretty about her. When I see her I don't think she's pretty or attractive at all!

TxLady2
10-07-2008, 11:39 PM
While I do hope you are right i'm taking what LP says with a grain of salt as he has a history of contradictory statements -


Example - Just a week ago this is what he said on NG

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 3, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

PADILLA: I believe that law enforcement is pretty much convinced that the child cannot be found, shall we say, in a normal place where somebody would have buried her or put her in a -- under a tree or something to that effect. It`s either the landfill, or she put her into a pond, where an alligator has done their thing.


Well... so do a lot of other folks have contradictory statements. He's not a saint... he makes mistakes, and he's allowed to have different theories as the case progresses. Even NG has made misstatements at times. Unless there has been some new facts to date, NO ONE really knows what happened to Caylee yet. We're ALL guessing!

MiraclesHappen
10-07-2008, 11:40 PM
I do too, it's like I can't shake it. I'm going to do a search on all the JCP's in our area.

Sorry if a repeat..For a while, I've thought that there is a possibility that Casey bought a piece of rolling luggage at JCPenney, to transport the body....to hide the body and to make carrying it easier.

Maybe LP knows that, or LE knows. She was driving people to the airport. She could easily explain away a piece of luggage...

Just thinking aloud. Thanks for your patience.

Sorry OT for a second while I think of it:
Do you have a catalogue or pictures, ChesterP? (your own for the quilts, not JCPenney:eek:)

Voice4theSilent
10-07-2008, 11:41 PM
Didn't the Amscot employee see the car at the Amscott at 7 AM the morning of the 27th????

I think he is stating she left it there the night before and then after the employee saw it at 7am went back and got the car and then returned it after disposing of the body. Maybe she had the body somewhere else and after "sleeping on it" overnight on the 26th decided to move it somewhere else OR the body was in the car and she thought about it overnight on the 26th and and decided she needed to come up with another plan (instead of leaving it in the car), went back and got the car and dumped the body elsewhere....? I don't necessarily know if the employee would have noticed if it was there, then gone, then back there again as she seemed to only notice it when she was coming or going.

(I am sorry....I have to refer to it as "the body" or else it brings me to tears!)

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:43 PM
It's like the prison groupies, ya know? nasty, yes!
Yes, the prison groupies! What better place to find a mate and fall in love? lol!:)
As my sweet Grandaddy used to say, Well, it takes all kinds to make this world go round, doesn't it? Guess that's true.

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:44 PM
:eek: Whats up with THAT!:eek: there goes that hinky meter again! oh yeah, now I am convinced somethings up with him!!!


I agree! Remember how, before he made his myspace private, his "Who I want to meet" field read "I met you a short while ago but you are on a little vacation right now. but will see you soon we all hope." --??

IMO we'll be hearing more about WW.

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:44 PM
LP on NG 10/07/08-

“She, uh, she has no fear and the reason she has no fear is because she figures she is in complete control of the situation. She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it. TM has access to the same information that LE and my partner Rob have. And that is they know exactly where she was....on those days...that took place between the 16th and the 30th and TM I am telling you he is the best equipped, he is the most knowledgeable and HE WILL FIND Caylee…I guarantee you that.”

NG asks LP if KC would be stupid enough to go to the body….
“Oh yeah, she figures she is in complete control and I can tell you this, she knows where the body is and my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid because she is that idiotic about doing things. She figures, “I am in control… I know where the body is at.” A LOT of other people know where the body is at too because between the 26th and the 28th…I will tell you when she got rid of the body it was prior to the 27th when she called Amy and says, “I got rid of the smell in the car.” The night of the 26th she parked the car there at Amscot. The morning of the 27th she went and picked the car back up went to her mom’s, she called JCP and there are a couple signals down there in that area where she spent about 15 minutes …that’s where the body is going to be found and I’m telling you TM is going to get it done. She is concerned about that!”

According to the show....Search Focus - Blanchard Park, Airport Area and a nearby landfill.


Thanks for posting this. It's kinda funny to read becuase he contradicts himself so badly. "She has no fear because she thinks she is in control" then RIGHT after that "She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it."

So which is it LP.. is she in control & feeling no fear or does she know her jig is up? LOL Don't get me wrong, I like the guy I just had to laugh at this statement.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:45 PM
:eek: Whats up with THAT!:eek: there goes that hinky meter again! oh yeah, now I am convinced somethings up with him!!!

He cannot even compose a proper sentence lol..he is an odd one..for sure.

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:46 PM
Thanks for posting this. It's kinda funny to read becuase he contradicts himself so badly. "She has no fear because she thinks she is in control" then RIGHT after that "She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it."

So which is it LP.. is she in control & feeling no fear or does she know her jig is up? LOL Don't get me wrong, I like the guy I just had to laugh at this statement.

I know, it's endearing isn't it!:blowkiss: I love me some Lenny!

Voice4theSilent
10-07-2008, 11:48 PM
Thanks for posting this. It's kinda funny to read becuase he contradicts himself so badly. "She has no fear because she thinks she is in control" then RIGHT after that "She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it."

So which is it LP.. is she in control & feeling no fear or does she know her jig is up? LOL Don't get me wrong, I like the guy I just had to laugh at this statement.

I thought that, too, when I was reading what I was typing him saying. I think A LOT of what he says and what NG says on her show is for JB and KC because they know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that both JB and KC are watching. I think LP more than ANYONE knows that and is using that to LE advantage. IMO

Sammi99
10-07-2008, 11:48 PM
I watched NG for the 2nd time b/c I wanted to re hear that statement about JCP . LP said she returned to her parents home on the 27th, spending 15 minutes on the phone with JCP. I think he then said something about 2 areas of interest based on pings very close to the home. I took it these were in between her home and JCP ??????????????? :confused: Wish I had recorded it so I could play it again....maybe she is on again and I will t voe

Hey there LeLe, I recorded NG and I watched LP numerous times and here is what I think he was trying to say.

1. He believes that Casey got rid of the body before the 27th because she called Amy and told her she got rid of the smell in the car.

2. The night of the 26th she parked the car at Amscott.

3. The morning of the 27th she went back to Amscott got the car went to Mom's house and called JCP.

4. Then she spent 15 minutes at a location where they have telephone signals.

5. I think this is the location where Padilla believes the body was disposed of and the 15 minutes at the location was to check on it.

That was my interpretation.

California Dreamer
10-07-2008, 11:49 PM
Sounds to me like she called to make sure she could buy a new outfit so she could throw away hers because she knew she would get it smelling bad after dumping the body. Man, this is all coming together now isnt it, its freaky.

Maybe also the purchase of a rug - I remember what the rug was mentioned during the last search.

LeLe1953
10-07-2008, 11:49 PM
:clap: Nice JOB!

Yes, it was an awesome job. Thank you. :clap:

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:49 PM
LP on NG 10/07/08-

“She, uh, she has no fear and the reason she has no fear is because she figures she is in complete control of the situation. She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it. TM has access to the same information that LE and my partner Rob have. And that is they know exactly where she was....on those days...that took place between the 16th and the 30th and TM I am telling you he is the best equipped, he is the most knowledgeable and HE WILL FIND Caylee…I guarantee you that.”

NG asks LP if KC would be stupid enough to go to the body….
“Oh yeah, she figures she is in complete control and I can tell you this, she knows where the body is and my only concern would be that she would go out there and attempt to move it or do something stupid because she is that idiotic about doing things. She figures, “I am in control… I know where the body is at.” A LOT of other people know where the body is at too because between the 26th and the 28th…I will tell you when she got rid of the body it was prior to the 27th when she called Amy and says, “I got rid of the smell in the car.” The night of the 26th she parked the car there at Amscot. The morning of the 27th she went and picked the car back up went to her mom’s, she called JCP and there are a couple signals down there in that area where she spent about 15 minutes …that’s where the body is going to be found and I’m telling you TM is going to get it done. She is concerned about that!”

According to the show....Search Focus - Blanchard Park, Airport Area and a nearby landfill.
Thank you for your transcribing this Voice4theSilent!:)
I'm reading it over and over, trying to get the full story that LP was trying to get across here. I'm so tired, I think my brain has turned to mush! :crazy:

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:49 PM
I think he is stating she left it there the night before and then after the employee saw it at 7am went back and got the car and then returned it after disposing of the body. Maybe she had the body somewhere else and after "sleeping on it" overnight on the 26th decided to move it somewhere else OR the body was in the car and she thought about it overnight on the 26th and and decided she needed to come up with another plan (instead of leaving it in the car), went back and got the car and dumped the body elsewhere....? I don't necessarily know if the employee would have noticed if it was there, then gone, then back there again as she seemed to only notice it when she was coming or going.

(I am sorry....I have to refer to it as "the body" or else it brings me to tears!)

Oh okay, I get it now. Thanks 'cause I was a little miffed about that date and thought maybe he just got the dates wrong. :crazy:

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:49 PM
I think he is stating she left it there the night before and then after the employee saw it at 7am went back and got the car and then returned it after disposing of the body. Maybe she had the body somewhere else and after "sleeping on it" overnight on the 26th decided to move it somewhere else OR the body was in the car and she thought about it overnight on the 26th and and decided she needed to come up with another plan (instead of leaving it in the car), went back and got the car and dumped the body elsewhere....? I don't necessarily know if the employee would have noticed if it was there, then gone, then back there again as she seemed to only notice it when she was coming or going.

(I am sorry....I have to refer to it as "the body" or else it brings me to tears!)

But nobody is saying the car was there on the 26th. She could have picked up the car after 7am when it was spotted, then went and put it back before 11am when TonE picked her up. He confuses me sometimes because he overly complicates a scenario lol. Thanks for trying to help me understand. though!

TxLady2
10-07-2008, 11:50 PM
Lets not forget about he early theories of KC being with the Nanny, then with friends of KC in NY, PR,etc..I've counted about 6 "solid" theories he has had so far..and it's not over. As I said..I honestly think he wants to help bring Caylee home but he is way too vocal IMO.

Compared to the dozens of theories that are posted on here all the time??? Let him be vocal... he just might be instrumental in getting Casey convicted. Isn't that what we all want??
The man has a good heart... he wants to see justice done... I don't see how anyone can fault him for that!

jinnimae
10-07-2008, 11:52 PM
That's what I thought and that is when one of the charges to JC Penney was made..interesting. Now I need to see if she called that one on this day to maybe make an appt?

If what's said elsewhere on this thread is true, KC called the credit dept of JCP, it could be that she was just too lazy to look up the local number (to talk to the store, to make an appt)she could have asked them to connect her to the store. Yeah, she's that lazy!

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:53 PM
He cannot even compose a proper sentence lol..he is an odd one..for sure.
He sure can't! Geez!
Not only that, but he's one creepy dude!:eek:

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:54 PM
If what's said elsewhere on this thread is true, KC called the credit dept of JCP, it could be that she was just too lazy to look up the local number (to talk to the store, to make an appt)she could have asked them to connect her to the store. Yeah, she's that lazy!

Yeah that is what I posted up thread..lol.

OneLostGrl
10-07-2008, 11:54 PM
Hey there LeLe, I recorded NG and I watched LP numerous times and here is what I think he was trying to say.

1. He believes that Casey got rid of the body before the 27th because she called Amy and told her she got rid of the smell in the car.

2. The night of the 26th she parked the car at Amscott.

3. The morning of the 27th she went back to Amscott got the car went to Mom's house and called JCP.

4. Then she spent 15 minutes at a location where they have telephone signals.

5. I think this is the location where Padilla believes the body was disposed of and the 15 minutes at the location was to check on it.

That was my interpretation.

thank you!

Lovejac
10-07-2008, 11:54 PM
:blowkiss: Thank you. We are so blessed. I am so grateful NG has kept this story out there. I am even more grateful she has had Tim on so often. When I signed the Lifetime Petiton I suggested they make the movie but give the million to TES instead of the Anthonys. Maybe we can NG to beat that horse.:)


WOW, now that would be justice :clap:

Betty Boop
10-07-2008, 11:56 PM
Compared to the dozens of theories that are posted on here all the time??? Let him be vocal... he just might be instrumental in getting Casey convicted. Isn't that what we all want??
The man has a good heart... he wants to see justice done... I don't see how anyone can fault him for that!

I agree. I don't think he's that inconsistent . . . just has an evolving theory.

technicalconfusion
10-07-2008, 11:56 PM
If she does have a secret phone has she sucked in some new admiirer from the internet to help her?

I think there's someone definitely on the internet. Only she isn't doing the sucking in like she thinks.


While I do hope you are right i'm taking what LP says with a grain of salt as he has a history of contradictory statements -




I have to agree with Boston..I go back and forth with LP. He IMO seems to jump the gun and go with whatever theory is most recent. I think he changed his mind this time with the woman who claims to have seen KC's car and someone that looked like her coming from the woods. If we were to back track throughout this case I bet LP has had at least 6 solid theories and they all coincided with recent evidence. Don't get me wrong I think LP has a big heart and good intentions for the most part...but his theories change with every breeze that floats by.

He does contradict himself. But I think he does it on purpose. Remember, his nephew said he was shrewd.

MD MOMMY
10-07-2008, 11:56 PM
Compared to the dozens of theories that are posted on here all the time??? Let him be vocal... he just might be instrumental in getting Casey convicted. Isn't that what we all want??
The man has a good heart... he wants to see justice done... I don't see how anyone can fault him for that!

Read up thread, throughout all of my posts I've talked about how I think he has a good heart etc. I like him however, it's of my opinion that he is too vocal in the sense that he speaks too factually. Yes theories are posted here, but here and National TV IMO is a touch different. No one here has an in so to speak, he apparently does or thinks he does..can't figure out which sometimes, in regards to his theories that he tends to spew factually. JMO.

sweetmop
10-07-2008, 11:57 PM
Hey there LeLe, I recorded NG and I watched LP numerous times and here is what I think he was trying to say.

1. He believes that Casey got rid of the body before the 27th because she called Amy and told her she got rid of the smell in the car.

2. The night of the 26th she parked the car at Amscott.

3. The morning of the 27th she went back to Amscott got the car went to Mom's house and called JCP.

4. Then she spent 15 minutes at a location where they have telephone signals.

5. I think this is the location where Padilla believes the body was disposed of and the 15 minutes at the location was to check on it.

That was my interpretation.
Great interpretation Sammi. Thank you :)

Truthwillsetufree
10-07-2008, 11:58 PM
I agree! Remember how, before he made his myspace private, his "Who I want to meet" field read "I met you a short while ago but you are on a little vacation right now. but will see you soon we all hope." --??

IMO we'll be hearing more about WW.

Well, doesn't he think he's special...and I guess he is really pizzed at Amy, that's a crappy shot, I believe WW smitten with KC and is her only "friend" that we know of at the moment. By the way if that is him on the back of that vehicle no one could call him "Tiny" for sure. Spell check dude, use it!

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 12:00 AM
But nobody is saying the car was there on the 26th. She could have picked up the car after 7am when it was spotted, then went and put it back before 11am when TonE picked her up. He confuses me sometimes because he overly complicates a scenario lol. Thanks for trying to help me understand. though!

He absolutely overly complicates things sometimes! Unless he knows something we don't know (witness stating the car was there on the 26th maybe?) I will assume he is merely theorizing a bit. BUT it does make sense that she dropped the car off and then picked it back up because she had to get around somehow between 7am on the 27th and the time TonE picked her up. IMO if she did drop the car off either on the 26th at night or in the morning of the 27th before 7am and then picked it back up and then left it there again to be towed that to me is very important. (So confusing!)

Lovejac
10-08-2008, 12:01 AM
While I do hope you are right i'm taking what LP says with a grain of salt as he has a history of contradictory statements -


Example - Just a week ago this is what he said on NG

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 3, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

PADILLA: I believe that law enforcement is pretty much convinced that the child cannot be found, shall we say, in a normal place where somebody would have buried her or put her in a -- under a tree or something to that effect. It`s either the landfill, or she put her into a pond, where an alligator has done their thing.

Hey Boston! I truly believe that LP is effin' with the A's, KWIM?:rolleyes:

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:02 AM
Well, doesn't he think he's special...and I guess he is really pizzed at Amy, that's a crappy shot, I believe WW smitten with KC and is her only "friend" that we know of at the moment. By the way if that is him on the back of that vehicle no one could call him "Tiny" for sure. Spell check dude, use it!

OMG I didn't even see that it said AMY..wholy crap thanks for pointing that out!

ETA..and you know I had to go to that website just to see if it was AH..lol it's not.

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 12:03 AM
He absolutely overly complicates things sometimes! Unless he knows something we don't know (witness stating the car was there on the 26th maybe?) I will assume he is merely theorizing a bit. BUT it does make sense that she dropped the car off and then picked it back up because she had to get around somehow between 7am on the 27th and the time TonE picked her up. IMO if she did drop the car off either on the 26th at night or in the morning of the 27th before 7am and then picked it back up and then left it there again to be towed that to me is very important. (So confusing!)

The only thing that always bothers me with that theory is wouldn't she stink to high heaven when TonE picked her up? Wouldn't he have noticed and remembered the odor?

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:03 AM
He absolutely overly complicates things sometimes! Unless he knows something we don't know (witness stating the car was there on the 26th maybe?) I will assume he is merely theorizing a bit. BUT it does make sense that she dropped the car off and then picked it back up because she had to get around somehow between 7am on the 27th and the time TonE picked her up. IMO if she did drop the car off either on the 26th at night or in the morning of the 27th before 7am and then picked it back up and then left it there again to be towed that to me is very important. (So confusing!)

LOL..I was thinking of all the possibilities of where she was from 7am that morning until 11am, that has always bothered me.

shivs
10-08-2008, 12:04 AM
Hi Shivs! :U There:

Hi OneLostGirl :)

Hi everyone. I am praying Caylee is found soon.

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:05 AM
The only thing that always bothers me with that theory is wouldn't she stink to high heaven when TonE picked her up? Wouldn't he have noticed and remembered the odor?

I wonder if she took a cab home to shower then went back for TonE to get her..but then someone would have been home..hm..IDK it's so confusing.

sweetmop
10-08-2008, 12:08 AM
I just love Leonard Padilla. :heart: I have to speak up for him.
And remember... last night on NG that FBI big wig guy went to bat for Leonard, saying when Leonard Padilla says something you can take that to the bank!

I think LP is both very intelligent and street smart, and I have the utmost respect for him too. He is very well respected in his area of expertise( I've read up on him)

I've said this before, and here I go again, but Leonard knows a whole lot more than he tells us. I think he will play a significant role in bringing KC down too. He throws out little tid bits here and there. I think he's on to KC and he wants her arrested as much as the rest of us.
OK, off my soapbox now.

sweetmop
10-08-2008, 12:09 AM
Hi OneLostGirl :)

Hi everyone. I am praying Caylee is found soon.
I'm praying too shivs. :blowkiss:

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:12 AM
I just love Leonard Padilla. :heart: I have to speak up for him.
And remember... last night on NG that FBI big wig guy went to bat for Leonard, saying when Leonard Padilla says something you can take that to the bank!

I think LP is both very intelligent and street smart, and I have the utmost respect for him too. He is very well respected in his area of expertise( I've read up on him)

I've said this before, and here I go again, but Leonard knows a whole lot more than he tells us. I think he will play a significant role in bringing KC down too. He throws out little tid bits here and there. I think he's on to KC and he wants her arrested as much as the rest of us.
OK, off my soapbox now.

I agree I like LP as well..and the FBI guy was definitely sticking up for LP bigtime. I just have to sift through his comments and decide which ones to take to the bank LOL. LP does know more than us and he is definitely trying I will give him that.

Busylady
10-08-2008, 12:12 AM
She wouldnt turn over the credit card statements, told LE she looked at them and there was nothing on there. I am sure LE has been able to get ahold of those by now.


Hmmm...I am sure I heard that all the receipts were turned over except CA refused to hand over the JCPenney card. OK if this is not the case, I will need to take this over to the psychic thread :crazy:

Wheeltravel
10-08-2008, 12:14 AM
I say, let Casey out.....and she will run away. Then the mystery bail bondsman will loses lots of money, Cindy and George will lose the house. In about 2 months Caseys new boyfriend will call the police because she stole his paycheck. She goes to jail and everyone else loses. AHHHH, justice.

Busylady
10-08-2008, 12:14 AM
But Lee made sure he pointed out that LE might not have all of them but if any were missing it wasnt his fault because he had given them all to Jose.


I think we are getting confused between credit card statements and store receipts. LA gave the attorney receipts and LE had them as well. It was discussed in LA's interview.

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:16 AM
But Lee made sure he pointed out that LE might not have all of them but if any were missing it wasnt his fault because he had given them all to Jose.

Correct..there is a difference between store RECEIPTS and credit card statements, that is where we were going back thread.

sweetmop
10-08-2008, 12:19 AM
I agree I like LP as well..and the FBI guy was definitely sticking up for LP bigtime. I just have to sift through his comments and decide which ones to take to the bank LOL. LP does know more than us and he is definitely trying I will give him that.
I know you like him. I wasn't jumping on you or anyone really.:)
Some have said they don't respect anything he has to say. Well I happen to feel the opposite.
And I was just thinking how I've jumped from here to there to here and back with all this mess. And I have thought one way and then changed my theories or opinions too.
I think there is a method to Leonard's madness. lol!:)
And I have a respect for what he thinks.
I really think he's helping in this case more than anyone knows about too.

Geez I better go to bed, I'm rambling.:crazy: And can't stop.:rolleyes:

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 12:19 AM
How busy is that Amscot parking lot? I find it very difficult to believe that Casey took the car, after it was seen by the employee at 7am, drove it home, returned it, backed it into the exact same parking space which apparently was still unoccupied, and no one noticed that it had been moved. Why would Casey have parked there to be seen at 7am if she was planning to continue driving it?

They really need to keep LP off the air, his crazy fantasies don't even make sense anymore.

jademonkey
10-08-2008, 12:20 AM
ITA..she will NEVER let anyone see her sweat..ever.


Except Tony who said she was waking up in cold sweats.:eek:

txsvicki
10-08-2008, 12:20 AM
LP's theory of Casey leaving the car at Amscot all night on the 26th then coming back to it the next morning doesn't make sense to me. How does he think she got back and forth to Tony's apartment. He does change theories alot, and I'm glad he's finally off the dumpster theory.

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:22 AM
Except Tony who said she was waking up in cold sweats.:eek:

Yeah but that wasn't her in control of her emotions it was her pysche...lol.

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 12:22 AM
I wonder if she took a cab home to shower then went back for TonE to get her..but then someone would have been home..hm..IDK it's so confusing.

7 to 11 and no stink. Thats the question I can't figure. If she dropped it off that night how did she get home or wherever, then back to the car that morning? I think cab drivers would have come forward...it's almost as if she is either walking or there has to be someone else giving her a ride.

MD MOMMY
10-08-2008, 12:24 AM
7 to 11 and no stink. Thats the question I can't figure. If she dropped it off that night how did she get home or wherever, then back to the car that morning?

IDK..my mind is MUSHY at this point. The question is, where was she the night of the 26th..inquiring minds wanna know!

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 12:27 AM
The only thing that always bothers me with that theory is wouldn't she stink to high heaven when TonE picked her up? Wouldn't he have noticed and remembered the odor?

She would have had to deal with/mask/shower away, etc. the smell on her clothes, hair, etc. everytime she drove in the car around the 27th, regardless of whether or not that is when she disposed of the body, because that smell was in the car so strongly at the tow yard. We know that to be true. I don't know enough about decomposition smell to know how strong it would have been on the 27th based on what we know about the strength of the smell at the tow yard. Perhaps she was able to shower, change (didn't CA wash some clothes of KCs that were in the car?) and pick up some freezer pops and chicken nuggets at her parent's house after disposing of the body sometime between 7am and 11am, make the 7 mile drive back to Amscot, put some lotion on and air out for a bit before she was picked up so the smell wouldn't have been that bad (?) I think she could probably have masked whatever odor would linger on her from being in the car for only 10 minutes after showering and changing... maybe?

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 12:30 AM
IDK..my mind is MUSHY at this point. The question is, where was she the night of the 26th..inquiring minds wanna know!

What, we don't know? Not one of us know? Crapola.

EastSideOfSaddness
10-08-2008, 12:31 AM
OMG I didn't even see that it said AMY..wholy crap thanks for pointing that out!

ETA..and you know I had to go to that website just to see if it was AH..lol it's not.

where does it say Amy? I must be blind.

EDIT: oh, that's just an add that pops up on myspace--has nothing to do with AH. What's up with WW? I feel sorry for him, he can't even spell Americans?!!? He is completely in love with KC. ewwww!

Busylady
10-08-2008, 12:31 AM
The dirty pants were in the car when it was towed? Did she change clothes before he picked her up? What LP is saying makes sense because we have been trying to figure out how the heck Casey was moving around from 7 am until 11:30 when Tone picked her up because the pings were in several various places.


The only thing that always bothers me with that theory is wouldn't she stink to high heaven when TonE picked her up? Wouldn't he have noticed and remembered the odor?

Im On It
10-08-2008, 12:32 AM
She would have had to deal with/mask/shower away, etc. the smell on her clothes, hair, etc. everytime she drove in the car around the 27th, regardless of whether or not that is when she disposed of the body, because that smell was in the car so strongly at the tow yard. We know that to be true. I don't know enough about decomposition smell to know how strong it would have been on the 27th based on what we know about the strength of the smell at the tow yard. Perhaps she was able to shower, change (didn't CA wash some clothes of KCs that were in the car?) and pick up some freezer pops and chicken nuggets at her parent's house after disposing of the body sometime between 7am and 11am, make the 7 mile drive back to Amscot, put some lotion on and air out for a bit before she was picked up so the smell wouldn't have been that bad (?) I think she could probably have masked whatever odor would linger on her from being in the car for only 10 minutes after showering and changing... maybe?

Hi, I'm new...but have been following this case on NG and WS since the beginning...just wanted to say...didn't the witness who saw a woman fitting the description of KC say that female was wearing a sports bra? If this was KC maybe she was wise enough to know not to wear too much while, uh, doing her dirty work.

nancy botwin
10-08-2008, 12:33 AM
where does it say Amy? I must be blind.
It's in one of the ads on the page-- just for clarification, the two ads under WW's special "message" are just ads and he can't control the ad content.

Well haha in a weird way, he can because google analytics put weight loss ads on his page since his visible text relates to our need to get off our fat a**es etc.

bayterrace11360
10-08-2008, 12:33 AM
LOL..I was thinking of all the possibilities of where she was from 7am that morning until 11am, that has always bothered me.

That bothers me, too.
Where has she been all day for the past 2 years is also something that is driving me crazy.

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 12:34 AM
She would have had to deal with/mask/shower away, etc. the smell on her clothes, hair, etc. everytime she drove in the car around the 27th, regardless of whether or not that is when she disposed of the body, because that smell was in the car so strongly at the tow yard. We know that to be true. I don't know enough about decomposition smell to know how strong it would have been on the 27th based on what we know about the strength of the smell at the tow yard. Perhaps she was able to shower, change (didn't CA wash some clothes of KCs that were in the car?) and pick up some freezer pops and chicken nuggets at her parent's house after disposing of the body sometime between 7am and 11am, make the 7 mile drive back to Amscot, put some lotion on and air out for a bit before she was picked up so the smell wouldn't have been that bad (?) I think she could probably have masked whatever odor would linger on her from being in the car for only 10 minutes after showering and changing... maybe?

Well I just don't know either but I can shower, shampoo, perfume and all that good stuff and smoke one cigarette and my daughter tells me how bad it stinks, and so I kind of thought a decomposing body was a little worse than cig smoke. Just don't know.

cyberborg
10-08-2008, 12:38 AM
Thanks for posting this. It's kinda funny to read becuase he contradicts himself so badly. "She has no fear because she thinks she is in control" then RIGHT after that "She right now knows that TM is within days of finding her daughter Caylee’s remains. She knows that. She can sense it. She can feel it."

So which is it LP.. is she in control & feeling no fear or does she know her jig is up? LOL Don't get me wrong, I like the guy I just had to laugh at this statement.

To me, throwing out theories and pursuing them is helpful and good, whether on WS or in the media. Brainstorming. It sponsors other ideas and enables dots to be connected or rejected. Post game analysis.

For some reason folks are treating guests on NG and NG as too credible sources when they are just researching, speculating, theorizing and, floating them like everyone else.

We don't know everything KC knows or the LE knows else the jigsaw puzzle would be easy to complete the full picture. To me LP is good food for thought as long as you don't treat everything he/anyone says as verbatim fact. At least he is trying....

bayterrace11360
10-08-2008, 12:42 AM
I wonder if she took a cab home to shower then went back for TonE to get her..but then someone would have been home..hm..IDK it's so confusing.

There's something not quite right about this. If Caylee's body was in the car for about 11 days the stench would have to be overwhelming. She could take as many showers as she wanted, but the smell would permeate her clothes and hair in a matter of minutes. Much like a car that retains the smell of cigarette smoke. Y
This does explain however, why she was waiting outside the car when TonE picked her up.

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 12:44 AM
To me, throwing out theories and pursuing them is helpful and good, whether on WS or in the media. Brainstorming. It sponsors other ideas and enables dots to be connected or rejected. Post game analysis.

For some reason folks are treating guests on NG and NG as too credible sources when they are just researching, speculating, theorizing and, floating them like everyone else.

We don't know everything KC knows or the LE knows else the jigsaw puzzle would be easy to complete the full picture. To me LP is good food for thought as long as you don't treat everything he/anyone says as verbatim fact. At least he is trying....

So true. I love me some LP. Ideas/theories come from everywhere.

krimekat
10-08-2008, 12:46 AM
There's something not quite right about this. If Caylee's body was in the car for about 11 days the stench would have to be overwhelming. She could take as many showers as she wanted, but the smell would permeate her clothes and hair in a matter of minutes. Much like a car that retains the smell of cigarette smoke. Y
This does explain however, why she was waiting outside the car when TonE picked her up.

11 days? I don't get it.

Wheeltravel
10-08-2008, 12:47 AM
So true. I love me some LP. Ideas/theories come from everywhere

_________________________
I so agree........... I know most people disagree with him, but I like him. He knows his stuff.

jademonkey
10-08-2008, 12:53 AM
Well I just don't know either but I can shower, shampoo, perfume and all that good stuff and smoke one cigarette and my daughter tells me how bad it stinks, and so I kind of thought a decomposing body was a little worse than cig smoke. Just don't know.


Know nothing about decomp smell but would think a little frebreeze, windows down, sunroof open, short trip and a perfume bottle might do the trick well enough until she gets another shower??? Or maybe she's just telling everyone she knows she stinks but that she just had to peel squirrels off the frame of the car. da*n squirrels.:bang:

momtomany
10-08-2008, 12:54 AM
How busy is that Amscot parking lot? I find it very difficult to believe that Casey took the car, after it was seen by the employee at 7am, drove it home, returned it, backed it into the exact same parking space which apparently was still unoccupied, and no one noticed that it had been moved. Why would Casey have parked there to be seen at 7am if she was planning to continue driving it?

They really need to keep LP off the air, his crazy fantasies don't even make sense anymore.

Ditto plus it is daytime, and this place where the Amscot is - there are other businesses right next to it all sharing a pretty tight parking lot (the lot itself is very small). Just seems risky to move the car during the day as anyone could have spotted the (lets be honest here) young good looking woman with the white car. Plus how did she get to Amscot, what, she walked there from AL's apartment (2 miles I believe?). Naaa - Far easier for her to get someone ELSE to give her ride to/from. I find that it is more possible for KC to get a ride from home.... :rolleyes:

But I want LP still in air, I get that he has the same desire to nail KC just as much as anyone else watching this sad circus.

OneLostGrl
10-08-2008, 12:55 AM
I agree I like LP as well..and the FBI guy was definitely sticking up for LP bigtime. I just have to sift through his comments and decide which ones to take to the bank LOL. LP does know more than us and he is definitely trying I will give him that.

He's passionate, that one! Can't help but love him!

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 12:58 AM
Ditto plus it is daytime, and this place where the Amscot is - there are other businesses right next to it all sharing a pretty tight parking lot (the lot itself is very small). Just seems risky to move the car during the day as anyone could have spotted the (lets be honest here) young good looking woman with the white car. Plus how did she get to Amscot, what, she walked there from AL's apartment (2 miles I believe?). Naaa - Far easier for her to get someone ELSE to give her ride to/from. I find that it is more possible for KC to get a ride from home.... :rolleyes:

But I want LP still in air, I get that he has the same desire to nail KC just as much as anyone else watching this sad circus.

We don't actually know that Casey went anywhere near home on the morning of the 27th. That came from Tony who speculated that the food Casey had in bags may have come from her parent's house.

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 01:00 AM
Know nothing about decomp smell but would think a little frebreeze, windows down, sunroof open, short trip and a perfume bottle might do the trick well enough until she gets another shower??? Or maybe she's just telling everyone she knows she stinks but that she just had to peel squirrels off the frame of the car. da*n squirrels.:bang:

Well, I know from now on I'm tellin' my kids it's the squirrels that have been smokin' not me....it seems to work for KC.

OneLostGrl
10-08-2008, 01:03 AM
To me, throwing out theories and pursuing them is helpful and good, whether on WS or in the media. Brainstorming. It sponsors other ideas and enables dots to be connected or rejected. Post game analysis.

For some reason folks are treating guests on NG and NG as too credible sources when they are just researching, speculating, theorizing and, floating them like everyone else.

We don't know everything KC knows or the LE knows else the jigsaw puzzle would be easy to complete the full picture. To me LP is good food for thought as long as you don't treat everything he/anyone says as verbatim fact. At least he is trying....

I agree!

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 01:04 AM
We don't actually know that Casey went anywhere near home on the morning of the 27th. That came from Tony who speculated that the food Casey had in bags may have come from her parent's house.

This is true. I wonder what made him think she got the food from her parents?

seekingjustice**
10-08-2008, 01:06 AM
We don't actually know that Casey went anywhere near home on the morning of the 27th. That came from Tony who speculated that the food Casey had in bags may have come from her parent's house.

From memory, I thought I had read in the ping thread, somthing about her phone pinging from the home on the morning of the 27th:confused:

momtomany
10-08-2008, 01:07 AM
We don't actually know that Casey went anywhere near home on the morning of the 27th. That came from Tony who speculated that the food Casey had in bags may have come from her parent's house.

But the phone pigs did place her near the A's, no? or am I incorrect.

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:09 AM
Know nothing about decomp smell but would think a little frebreeze, windows down, sunroof open, short trip and a perfume bottle might do the trick well enough until she gets another shower??? Or maybe she's just telling everyone she knows she stinks but that she just had to peel squirrels off the frame of the car. da*n squirrels.:bang:

And I am thinking (and could be wrong so please correct me if I am) that the smell in the car at the tow yard was so potent because decomposing matter had actually come in contact with something in the car (either on the clothes, the carpet in the back, etc.) so therefor if KC took a shower, washed off whatever she got on her and changed into clean clothes and didn't come in contact with it again, she could pretty much mask the smell. My husband has been in rooms with decomposing bodies numerous times and he believes the smell could have easily been masked if she was only in the car for a short amount of time. (am I completely OT here? LOL!)

momtomany
10-08-2008, 01:09 AM
see this..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=351&day=2008-6-27&c=4

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 01:10 AM
But the phone pigs did place her near the A's, no? or am I incorrect.

I forget the phone pings. The beautiful little phone pings.

shergal
10-08-2008, 01:10 AM
The only thing that always bothers me with that theory is wouldn't she stink to high heaven when TonE picked her up? Wouldn't he have noticed and remembered the odor?

Not if she spent those missing 4 hours cleaning up and getting her hair and nails done.

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:11 AM
well, i know from now on i'm tellin' my kids it's the squirrels that have been smokin' not me....it seems to work for kc.

lol!!!

momtomany
10-08-2008, 01:11 AM
notice that the phone pings do NOT ping at the Amscot earlier than 11:00ish... so nope she did not go pick up that car earlier

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:13 AM
This is true. I wonder what made him think she got the food from her parents?

He said something to the effect of the food was in plastic bags, not packaged as if they had come from the store.

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:16 AM
notice that the phone pings do NOT ping at the Amscot earlier than 11:00ish... so nope she did not go pick up that car earlier

Then how is it that she dropped the car off by 7am for the Amscot employee to see it? (I assume you are talking about the 27th, right?) I am SO confused! LOL

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 01:17 AM
Then how is it that she dropped the car off by 7am for the Amscot employee to see it? (I assume you are talking about the 27th, right?) I am SO confused! LOL

Where can we find the overnight pings from the 26th? Do they show her near the Amscot?

Brini
10-08-2008, 01:18 AM
The "Mafia" has Caylee or some other mysterious all powerful secret organisation & KC is affraid to search for her because she's affraid that if she gets close then harm will come to Caylee.

I'll give KC this - She has a very active imagination

So.. why is she not afraid NOW?

Brini
10-08-2008, 01:19 AM
:rolleyes: so now the mafia is involved. geesh

That's it! KC has been sitting home, watching all three parts of the Godfather.

jademonkey
10-08-2008, 01:26 AM
Well, I know from now on I'm tellin' my kids it's the squirrels that have been smokin' not me....it seems to work for KC.

Too Funny!:crazy:

Brini
10-08-2008, 01:26 AM
I think TES found something when they were here that related to Caylee but the conditions were too strong to ruin the evidence if they plowed thru with their equipment and couldn't see what they were doing. Just my opinion but I think they know the location where she is located. LE has been biding its time waiting for TES to come back.

I think you're right.

momtomany
10-08-2008, 01:29 AM
Here is a map of the 26th, I am NOT sure that all the pings are listed -
1:44 PM very near the Amscot?

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.0004588c6d74c1fa79714&ll=28.566733,-81.309128&spn=0.139607,0.215607&t=h&z=12

Courtesy of GeorgiaPI

Brini
10-08-2008, 01:29 AM
Really, I wonder who, the rest of the family?

Maybe he meant that last search team!

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:30 AM
Where can we find the overnight pings from the 26th? Do they show her near the Amscot?

I looked at the thread about the pings on the 27th and there are none from approx. 7:00am until 10:30am. (I am only going off what is on that thread and not the official documents as I am assuming all pings that were released would have been added.) Therefore we don't know where she was during that time. It does look like around 11am she was at her parent's home and then was picked up shortly thereafter at Amscot.

Also, didn't TonE say KC spent the night of the 26th at his apt.?

Brini
10-08-2008, 01:32 AM
Something that keeps poppin in my head... and it was said again tonight on NG....
KC will only help search for a "live" Caylee...
I know if it were me, and thing happened to my daughter, I too would want her alive, however, she would be WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE! What is wrong with her?!

Because the "live" KC is on other states!

TakeNote
10-08-2008, 01:37 AM
I really think KC droped the car off at Amscot and had someone else pick her up and then take her back when she called Toni to pick her up.....is there any other stores banks etc....that she could call someone to pick her up for a ride....not really telling them that her car in at amscot?.....remember KC was waiting for Toni out side of the car on like the corner....I think it said....

about the smell in the car.....I think she first had caylee in the back yard and then moved her......most likely....the last day she back in to the garage at her house....then put her somewhere else....and I think moved her again....and by then the decomp was leaking from what ever she had her in....and that is what started to stink up the truck so bad......

LinasK
10-08-2008, 01:39 AM
Unfortunately, they probably won't arrest Casey immediately upon finding the body. There will be a million tests run to determine cause and manner of death, and to see if they can directly link Casey to the killing.

Don 't be so sure... Scott Peterson was arrested within 4 days of Laci & Conner's bodies washing up on shore. They went after him to keep him from fleeing to Mexico. He was arrested within a 30 min. drive of the border. They never determined Laci's cause or manner of death, wasn't necessary. Personally, I think he strangled her with the cord from the Tiffany lamp.

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:40 AM
Here is a map of the 26th, I am NOT sure that all the pings are listed -
1:44 PM very near the Amscot?

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.0004588c6d74c1fa79714&ll=28.566733,-81.309128&spn=0.139607,0.215607&t=h&z=12

Courtesy of GeorgiaPI

When you click on the actual time it shows between 5:49 pm - 6:50 pm there was a ping (or several, depending on what the map represents) at the tower nearest Amscot on the 26th. Hmmmm, then I guess the question(s) would be...if she dropped the car off at that time, how did she get back to TonE's (it looks like she went from Amscot back to his place and stayed there over night, not leaving until the following morning) and how did she get back to Amscot in the morning?

momtomany
10-08-2008, 01:41 AM
Map of the 27th pings - thanks to JBean:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.0004580252d6d169c1f5e&ll=28.548659,-81.21068&spn=0.008802,0.013475&t=h&z=16

momtomany
10-08-2008, 01:44 AM
When you click on the actual time it shows between 5:49 pm - 6:50 pm there was a ping (or several, depending on what the map represents) at the tower nearest Amscot on the 26th. Hmmmm, then I guess the question(s) would be...if she dropped the car off at that time, how did she get back to TonE's (it looks like she went from Amscot back to his place and stayed there over night, not leaving until the following morning) and how did she get back to Amscot in the morning?

I know - that is what we are pondering. Someone gave her a ride? and that person also helped the next day? We do not know.. now of course we are going under the assumption that the Amscot employee was correct with the time and all of that.

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 01:50 AM
I was under the impression that Casey said the car ran out of gas and she got help pushing it into the Amscot lot sometime in the late evening, when it was dark out. Did I imagine that or was it in her statement? - I so don't want to go back and read the statement again.

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 01:51 AM
BTW, I haven't seen those maps with the pings before now. Someone put a lot of work into that! Way to go, someone!

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:53 AM
She was ALL over the place on the 27th! (I think I am starting to go cross-eyed!) Looks like LP might be onto something here....who knows. I truly hope there is some big news within the week...some GOOD big news! Thanks for the maps!

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:54 AM
I was under the impression that Casey said the car ran out of gas and she got help pushing it into the Amscot lot sometime in the late evening, when it was dark out. Did I imagine that or was it in her statement? - I so don't want to go back and read the statement again.


I thought it was the morning of the 27th that she claimed that happened?

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:55 AM
BTW, I haven't seen those maps with the pings before now. Someone put a lot of work into that! Way to go, someone!

LOL....YAY SOMEONE! :clap: :woohoo:

Voice4theSilent
10-08-2008, 01:57 AM
I know - that is what we are pondering. Someone gave her a ride? and that person also helped the next day? We do not know.. now of course we are going under the assumption that the Amscot employee was correct with the time and all of that.

Sorry, sometimes it takes me a bit more time then the rest to catch up!:waitasec: Thanks for the maps!

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 02:10 AM
Sorry, sometimes it takes me a bit more time then the rest to catch up!:waitasec: Thanks for the maps!

Well, me too. I have been going over and over and over the maps. I have looked and looked at the JC penneys and I just don't get the connection or if it is just as simple as she was having her nails done that morning, I guess we wont know without receipts, but it is driving me crazzzy. I hate puzzles!

momtomany
10-08-2008, 02:16 AM
^Dont feel too bad - this is a huge puzzle indeed!!! I also am not sure but the maps may still be work in progress, some of the information is def. missing for the 27th. The actual Amscot call was closer to noon that day.

Zoe Bogart
10-08-2008, 02:17 AM
I'd love it if TM had a good idea of where to search for Caylee's body and brought KC out with him to search when they find her body. I wonder if you'd get any sort of reaction from KC then.

Casey and Cindy would say, "So that's where Zanny put her!" :eek: They'd blame LE for not looking on the right place sooner, and probably create an even more elaborate story about how she got there. "Zanny kidnapped her for the Mafia, and they threw her here because Casey wouldn't give them any money. Do you want to see the ransom note?" :confused:

DollyPardonMe
10-08-2008, 02:17 AM
Does anyone else have this strange feeling about TM and LP going to Orlando in a few days at the same time? Does anyone else think something may be up with that? LP was very careful in his speech tonight and almost said that TM and LE "know where she is." He carefully changed that to where KC WAS...anyone else notice that? And...the guarantee?! hmmmmmm

Do you think this has anything to do with the lady that just came forward stating she saw someone that looked alot like Casey in the median of an Orlando Highway driving a white Pontiac wearing a pulled down baseball cap. Maybe LE checked out the pings on the date of the ladies sighting and they seemed to match. They might just have to check that area now for dear little Caylee. :Justice:

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 02:19 AM
I thought it was the morning of the 27th that she claimed that happened?

I've reread that part of her statement. She doesn't say when the car ran out of gas, only that 2 guys helped her push it into the Amscot lot and then she called Tony to pick her up, making it sound like she called him right away.

kaelieanne
10-08-2008, 02:19 AM
I think the ONLY person that could possibly still want to have anything to do with her is WW.

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Sorry... who is WW?

kaelieanne
10-08-2008, 02:26 AM
I was actually surprised then not so surprised to see T. Miller back on her show. I thought she was terrible to him.
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She was! But I think they received enough negative feedback that she apologized to him behind the scenes.

sharpar
10-08-2008, 02:27 AM
WW is Amy's boss who is smitten with KC - she was flirting like
mad with him up until she is going to the gate to meet TONE on his return from NY .........

I believe he also tried to see her in jail after her first arrest

he hasnt connected the dots and doesnt realize what a wingnut she is
Kc was definitely grooming him for the next mark

He has it bad for her - he is manager of Houlihans and is
30 years old

sharpar
10-08-2008, 02:28 AM
I've reread that part of her statement. She doesn't say when the car ran out of gas, only that 2 guys helped her push it into the Amscot lot and then she called Tony to pick her up, making it sound like she called him right away.

Casey lies ..................

Chilly Willy
10-08-2008, 02:29 AM
Casey lies ..................

Ya think? :crazy:

kaelieanne
10-08-2008, 02:33 AM
I've jumped from here to there to here and back with all this mess. And I have thought one way and then changed my theories or opinions too.
I think there is a method to Leonard's madness. lol!
And I have a respect for what he thinks.
++++++++++++++++==


ITA I originally thought he was a complete doofus, but as time goes on I believe he's a very smart man and that he'll get to the bottom of this entire mess... with Tim Miller.

Annie

DollyPardonMe
10-08-2008, 02:45 AM
Christmas is around the corner. As much as we adults like our surprises under the tree, it really is about the kids. How many gift exchanges do we all do at Christmas....families, office, church etc. Lots of families set a dollar limit. What if this year we asked every single person in the exchange to pool their money together to make a gift to TES. Don't take from the little ones in the exchange, but most of us adults don't really need another thing.
When my children were very very young I took them to the toy store to pick out something they really wanted from Santa. We then had them take that item to the check out and had them put it in the toys for tots bin. Naturally Santa also brought that same item to them.
As you all know I have 2 grandsons and a new one due early Dec. We are traveling to Europe where my daughter & her family livefor the birth of our new grandson. WHile I have already purchased some Santa for the kids, I will also give a donation to TES in all three of their names, explaining to the 2 older ones who they are and what they do. I think another perfect gift for the older ones ( 8 & 9) is a new piggy bank. I can hand paint TES on it and ask them to save 1.00 a wk until next Christmas ( just in that bank) and make another donation next year. Let's challenge each other for ways to help get others involved with TES and educating them on who they are. The greatest holiday gift we can give is HOPE to all families that Tim will always have the resources he needs to help all families. It could be any of us that has someone we know and love go missing. We can help him 1.00 at a time & we can teach our kids to do the same.

What a beautiful post LeLe! When I saw TM on NG tonight and heard how he had $35,000 invested in finding little Caylee my heart went out to him. His face shows the years of effortless hard work sacrificing for others only to be treated so badly by the Anthony's! The loss of his daughter was probably the most painful experience of his life but he has turned it around to be a guardian angel for the world! I am on Social Security but starting with my next check I too will start to send a monthly check to TES. It won't solve their problems but hopefully, it will ease a small burden, especially if we all give a little of ourselves. Thanks for planting the seed in my heart to help Tim with the resources he needs to help all families and to bring our little Caylee home! :)

WillenFan21
10-08-2008, 02:56 AM
This is just my opinion but I don't think that when Mr Padilla said other people know where Caylee is that he was refering to her friends. I think he was implying that Cindy, George, and Lee know where Caylee is. I totally believe that they are covering Casey's ass.

Also, I know I said this a couple pages back but I totally do not trust Casey's lawyer. I wouldn't put it past this asshat and his people to actually help Casey get away from LE so that she wouldn't have to go to jail. I do not see a judge letting her out since she is a suspect.

Leila
10-08-2008, 03:56 AM
I have to watch the rerun of NG later, but LP didn't say which day Casey called JC Penney or the fifteen minutes? I wonder why Casey would be calling a store like JC Penney even if that was one of her stolen credit cards.

I didn't get to watch the initial broadcast of NG tonight and had to wait for the re-broadcast. LP said that it was the morning of June 27th that she called J.C. Pennys. Then he said the part about the 15 minutes.

SanJoaquinValleyGirl
10-08-2008, 04:20 AM
Yeah a spare office with a bed in it. I think there is more going on here than your basic lawyer client "relationship" I have NEVER heard of a lawyer allowing a client to "hang out" 6 hours a day at their office. What do you do for 6 hours a day in a spare room at your lawyers office... that you could not do in your own room at home. I would be very curious to hear what the Wife has to say about all this? Would love to be at the water cooler in that office or better yet a fly on the wall!!!

Yes he is married from my understanding with kids.


She spends time at his office so she isn't home. He probably has a nice set up for her there.

Leila
10-08-2008, 04:20 AM
:waitasec:I'm wondering why would KC need a "secret phone."

Who would be be talking to? Does she even have any friends now that would even talk to her?

All of Casey's friends prior to her arrest probably want nothing to do with her now. But, Casey has been online since she's been on home confinement and has probably made some new friends.

We see male murderers - Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Ted Bundy, and others - have female fans who want to become their girlfriend. Ted Bundy even got married while on death row. So, there may be some new young male friends who want to be Casey's new boyfriend. Casey may be attracting young males with, let say, unsavory leanings.......someone who would do anything for her including breaking the law, by helping her escape.

SanJoaquinValleyGirl
10-08-2008, 04:34 AM
[i][quote=

I just don't understand why Baez even wasted the paper to file this motion.[/quote]

I wonder if this is something he agreed with, or something she is insisting he do. I just can't fathom him even asking. :banghead: :doh::o

dcorrigano
10-08-2008, 07:45 AM
NG had no sound on my cable last night, I recorded it and none of the reruns had any sound..jeez... So Im reading this catching up on what I missed.... With that said...

The secret cell phone: Her phone was being shut off for non payment, KC had to know there was a good chance that AH checkbook was pretty dry at the point she made the payment. I would bank on the fact that this wasnt the first time for a shut off of the phone for non payment. So she probably had a prepaid for awhile to compensate for anytime it was shut off, hence 2 cell phones she stated. My first thought actually on this was OMG, they are using the "gift card" donations to buy her extra minutes...

JCPenny: If she loved the child and all this was an accident, I can see her wrapping Caylee in her own blanket and putting her somewhere with her baby doll "mama". But we all know Caylees favorite baby was in the car... KC didnt care about Caylee enough to do any of those things. She called JCP to see if her mother shut off the card and find out the limit. If I had to take a guess she was looking to buy TonE a gift, clothing or something like that. And/or to buy herself a new outfit to go to Fusion, she cant show up week after week in repeat clothing. Typical behaviour for her kind. I dont see anything to lead me to Caylee dead around JCP.

You have to remember she is a Sociopath, so you cant think normal...

concentric
10-08-2008, 09:14 AM
All of Casey's friends prior to her arrest probably want nothing to do with her now. But, Casey has been online since she's been on home confinement and has probably made some new friends.

We see male murderers - Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Ted Bundy, and others - have female fans who want to become their girlfriend. Ted Bundy even got married while on death row. So, there may be some new young male friends who want to be Casey's new boyfriend. Casey may be attracting young males with, let say, unsavory leanings.......someone who would do anything for her including breaking the law, by helping her escape.

I agree with you--she is conniving, and if she has someone to connive with, well...

EgyptNug
10-08-2008, 09:15 AM
Thanks again to Nancy for putting this on National TV.

Absolutely! I don't see any other news programs staying on this case and keeping Caylee in the news. :clap::clap::clap:

concentric
10-08-2008, 09:39 AM
He used some kind of ground penetrating radar in Aruba to search for Natalee. He does have some very high tech equipment, I think.. and sometimes stuff is donated to his team to search with if he doesn't already own it.
God Bless Tim Miller... he is a giant among men!

I believe so. Remember the article about searching for bodies on Spahn ranch (Manson)? I'm sure Tim has much the same type of equipment.

tx_Dot
10-08-2008, 09:40 AM
Hey there LeLe, I recorded NG and I watched LP numerous times and here is what I think he was trying to say.

1. He believes that Casey got rid of the body before the 27th because she called Amy and told her she got rid of the smell in the car.

2. The night of the 26th she parked the car at Amscott.

3. The morning of the 27th she went back to Amscott got the car went to Mom's house and called JCP.

4. Then she spent 15 minutes at a location where they have telephone signals.

5. I think this is the location where Padilla believes the body was disposed of and the 15 minutes at the location was to check on it.

That was my interpretation.


Hmmm......Who picked her up @ amscot on the 26th ??......& who took her back to amscot on the 27th ??

concentric
10-08-2008, 09:53 AM
I have read most of the messages here on this thread, but, please, can someone explain what the defense lawyers were saying on NG?

From my understanding there is no restriction on her defense in asking that she be allowed to search. But, the judge is the one who determines to allow/not allow it?

Please explain.

mandif3
10-08-2008, 09:55 AM
WW is Amy's boss who is smitten with KC - she was flirting like
mad with him up until she is going to the gate to meet TONE on his return from NY .........

I believe he also tried to see her in jail after her first arrest

he hasnt connected the dots and doesnt realize what a wingnut she is
Kc was definitely grooming him for the next mark

He has it bad for her - he is manager of Houlihans and is
30 years old

Well then he must be a complete moron.

concentric
10-08-2008, 10:08 AM
It might be very alluring to someone who becomes obsessed with her to want to help her escape. The case that enters my mind is Colton Pitonyak and Laura Hall who fled together to Mexico--she imagined them to be a Bonnie and Clyde, daring and romantic.

JMCDAD
10-08-2008, 10:31 AM
I may be wrong but I think from what LP said the connection to JCP was were she called JCP from. I think he is implying where she called JCP from is where they might find the body
I am no sure why or where but thats my take

weasel
10-08-2008, 10:32 AM
<<.........could this be in reference to a 'rug' I heard about somewhere back when the searches were going on? Rug and something else?>>

Ohhhh, what rug? I hadn't heard about this. Hmmm, that is interesting.

Meagain
10-08-2008, 10:37 AM
I will say... Leonard seemed wound up or excited. He seemed different.
Something's UP!

(personally, I think Leonard's comments deserve their own thread cuz he sure throws things out there very adamantly).

Truthwillsetufree
10-08-2008, 10:42 AM
Hmmm......Who picked her up @ amscot on the 26th ??......& who took her back to amscot on the 27th ??

Yes, I have been having long duscussions with myself about that very question and self can't figure it out.

sharpar
10-08-2008, 10:49 AM
Well then he must be a complete moron.



maybe - guillible for sure - like I said he doesnt realize he dodged a big bullet - hasnt connected the dots - most of these wingnuts are very charming and KC tells everyone exactly what they want to hear - she mirrors them - they like her because she is reflecting their own preferences back to them -

it takes awhile before you realize they arent right and often they have
gotten what they wanted from you by then

Most dont see through them immediately unless they have already been burned by one

weasel
10-08-2008, 11:47 AM
<<To me, throwing out theories and pursuing them is helpful and good, whether on WS or in the media. Brainstorming. It sponsors other ideas and enables dots to be connected or rejected. Post game analysis.>>

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

EgyptNug
10-08-2008, 12:02 PM
Hmmm...I am sure I heard that all the receipts were turned over except CA refused to hand over the JCPenney card.

There's so much materials here.. I hope LE uses good organizational software with Google desktop searching, cause I can't keep it all straight, not to mention they are actively pursuing new information and leads out in "the field".

But, someone please correct my vague memory, but I *think* I read that (Lee? said that) there were receipts in a nice little stack (in the backpack? I think part of the whole "backpack was too neat to have been packed by KC" section of an interview), but there or elsewhere, someone said that LE did not originally WANT the receipts, so Lee kept them, and then offered them again (?) and at that point said some from June (or earlier ones) were missing.
(I remember wondering why she only kept receipts after that date..)



I mostly agree:

1. He believes that Casey got rid of the body before the 27th because she called Amy and told her she got rid of the smell in the car.

Question: that sounds like it would be a coded conversation telling someone (amy) that she got rid of the body? I don't remember reading of this conversation.. I haven't found Amy to be someone suspicious, but that is a suspicious comment for casey to make to her..?

2. The night of the 26th she parked the car at Amscott.

I think with the body in the trunk

3. The morning of the 27th she went back to Amscott got the car went to Mom's house and called JCP.
4. Then she spent 15 minutes at a location where they have telephone signals.
5. I think this is the location where Padilla believes the body was disposed of and the 15 minutes at the location was to check on it.

I think that she decided overnight that leaving the body in the car at Amscott had too many things that could go wrong. So she goes back and gets the car. She then either buries (I hate to say "dumps" but that's probably what she did :( ) the body and then goes home to her mom's to clean up and gets the food and popsicles, drops car off, waits for AL (this scenario explains the popsicles... I am sorry, but AL's answer on the popsicles makes no sense. If you are holding a box of popsicles that are melted, you'd toss them in the dumpster you are sitting next to, so there's no chance of a sticky popsicle leak, OR you bring them to AL's freezer, and they are misshapen (which AL would remember if he ate one, or remember if they never made it to the freezer.) OR she gets the car, goes home for whatever reason, then goes to bury the body before dropping the car off at amscott the second time, and waiting for AL to pick her up. I think the JCPenney call is irrelevant except that it shows her location for 15 minutes in a swamp or somewhere odd.

That was my interpretation.

weasel
10-08-2008, 12:07 PM
<<she got help pushing it into the Amscot lot sometime in the late evening, when it was dark out>>

I'm wondering, if this is true, why hasn't anyone stepped forward and stated they were the ones who helped her? I'm thinking, as high profile as this case is, surely the people who helped her would tell about it.

Crabcake23
10-08-2008, 12:09 PM
<<she got help pushing it into the Amscot lot sometime in the late evening, when it was dark out>>

I'm wondering, if this is true, why hasn't anyone stepped forward and stated they were the ones who helped her? I'm thinking, as high profile as this case is, surely the people who helped her would tell about it.


Plus, wasn't immunity offered to anyone who may have assisted her?

awakewriter
10-08-2008, 12:10 PM
Yes, I have been having long duscussions with myself about that very question and self can't figure it out.

I guess part of this mystery could be solved with cell pings. If she pinged on the tower closest to the Amscot, then pinged somewhere else soon after ...

LE might at least know if she left Amscot on foot or by automobile by how long it would take her to come into range at the next tower. Of course, if she stayed at Amscot for a long time, that would hurt the math. I don't think she would have stayed there for a long time, though. She likely wanted to get the heck out of there.

EgyptNug
10-08-2008, 12:17 PM
I say, let Casey out.....and she will run away. Then the mystery bail bondsman will loses lots of money, Cindy and George will lose the house. In about 2 months Caseys new boyfriend will call the police because she stole his paycheck. She goes to jail and everyone else loses. AHHHH, justice.

Actually, I think this is a great idea. I don't think she will have another crime of passion, so the population at large is safe, and the only people at risk are the ones that buy her bs anyway..

Boston
10-08-2008, 12:26 PM
I will say... Leonard seemed wound up or excited. He seemed different.
Something's UP!

(personally, I think Leonard's comments deserve their own thread cuz he sure throws things out there very adamantly).

I agree about an LP thread......


I have a "BUNCH" of questions I would like answers to staring with the 50k he put up for KC's bond

Does anyone know if we can start an LP

karenmamo
10-08-2008, 12:34 PM
I agree about an LP thread......


I have a "BUNCH" of questions I would like answers to staring with the 50k he put up for KC's bond

Does anyone know if we can start an LP

Sure you can.
"Leonard Padilla Says".............etc.
Then start your first post with a comment he made as far back as you can remember.
Ask others to add what they have.

MsMacGyver
10-08-2008, 12:43 PM
All of Casey's friends prior to her arrest probably want nothing to do with her now. But, Casey has been online since she's been on home confinement and has probably made some new friends.

We see male murderers - Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Ted Bundy, and others - have female fans who want to become their girlfriend. Ted Bundy even got married while on death row. So, there may be some new young male friends who want to be Casey's new boyfriend. Casey may be attracting young males with, let say, unsavory leanings.......someone who would do anything for her including breaking the law, by helping her escape.

I don't know if anyone has brought this up but I hope KC isn't in contact with anyone that she could convince to move Caylee again. If KC is concerned that LE or TM is getting too close to finding Caylee I could see KC talking one of her new male friends into helping her in her quest to make sure LE will never find Caylee..

JayBee1940
10-08-2008, 01:02 PM
yuppers...that was the word he used.
But at least..............FINALLY.........he admitted he was wrong about the dumpster theory.
I agree with a previous poster that tim found SOMETHING and I think Padilla knows that now. That is why he regurgitated. LOL

Didn't watch NG last night....DANG!!!! :banghead: Could someone please tell me in what context he used the word regurgitate?? Thanks.

edgeofnight
10-08-2008, 01:16 PM
I don't know if anyone has brought this up but I hope KC isn't in contact with anyone that she could convince to move Caylee again. If KC is concerned that LE or TM is getting too close to finding Caylee I could see KC talking one of her new male friends into helping her in her quest to make sure LE will never find Caylee..

I've been worried about this, I was concerned about Lee, but over on another thread someone mentioned WW. WW would be very easy to manipulate.

MsMacGyver
10-08-2008, 01:43 PM
I've been worried about this, I was concerned about Lee, but over on another thread someone mentioned WW. WW would be very easy to manipulate.

This is a good thought. Seems to me KC is a very bad lier but there are guys out there who are easily manipulated which she is good at. If I was LE I would be keeping a tighter leash on KC..maybe they are and we just don't know it...:banghead:

Sammi99
10-08-2008, 03:44 PM
Didn't watch NG last night....DANG!!!! :banghead: Could someone please tell me in what context he used the word regurgitate?? Thanks.

Well NG asked him if he still believes that KC put the body in the Amscott dumpster. Leonard said no, that after he and Rob regurgitated the phone records they scrapped that the Amscott dumpster theory.

MaryAnn
10-08-2008, 04:05 PM
You've got my imagination going now......Do we kow if Jose is married?

Does he have a family?

Seems odd that KC needs to spend 6 hours a day at his office

Jose's behavior seems really odd to me. Why would he allow Casey to spend day after day in his office. I wouldn't put anything past Casey. She'd screw anything with pants on.

Patty G
10-08-2008, 05:39 PM
Didn't watch NG last night....DANG!!!! :banghead: Could someone please tell me in what context he used the word regurgitate?? Thanks.

Somewhere in this thread are the links to NG's show.

sleutherontheside
04-30-2010, 02:29 AM
I know this is out of left field and is a really old thread....but JB's daughter follows Newman PR on Twitter........Stacey Newman is a Nancy Grace Producer......is it possible that there is a relationship between SN and Newman PR??????