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Friptzap
10-11-2008, 02:57 PM
I initially searched this park once on Labor day. I did not have my camera at that time so I did not want to move any items I had seen att hat time. I retured on September 12th and these are the photos from that search.

There are way to many to post/comment individually to each photo so I thought I would post them and if people wish to ask some specifics I will try to respond as well as I can to those concerns.

Background on this park: It has been around for a while, you will see a tag I photo'd from the bottom of one of the benches which dates the bench to 06' This park is next to a huge lake right where the airplanes pass overhead on their landing approach to the OIA. This is just off of McCoy road. This visit with the photos was at 5pm the park was very empty as I exited there were a few more poeple there for a little league soccer practice/game. Maybe 30 people at that time. There were areas of this park back in the woods where you can see evidence of "homeless" and or "party" hangouts.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.457958~-81.318011&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=27645446&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
The above link shows the location on a map.

You will also notice that on my way out I circled the south most hotel and took some shots from behind it including it's dumpster and along the south perimiter as well and in one picture you can see the Airport Tower. Then I traveled southwest onto McCoy road and took a few images of a canal I have an interest to search along one day. This canal leads back to the big lake next to the park. This park is opposite the lake from Conway road. It is also very near the A's residence. And minimally used as far as I can tell.

Here are the Slideshows:
Part1
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/th_P9120015.jpg (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=6cbdb1eb.pbw)
Link for those who cannot click the image: http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=6cbdb1eb.pbw

Part2
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/th_P9120078.jpg (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=b3bdf259.pbw)
Link for those who cannot click the image: http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=b3bdf259.pbw

The individual files are in photobucket as well if you wish to post a specific one to ask a question. If you follow the progression of the slide show this also follows my path of travel in the order that I took the pictures.

MiraclesHappen
10-11-2008, 03:06 PM
Wow Frip that's alot of hiking.

I was wondering...do you know if any of these areas were under water the last time TES was around or after Fay hit? Was it soggy walking or fairly dry in most places you went?
Sorry too many questions.

Thanks in advance!:)

Edam
10-11-2008, 03:15 PM
This is just off of McCoy road. This visit with the photos was at 5pm the park was very empty as I exited there were a few more poeple there for a little league soccer practice/game. Maybe 30 people at that time. There were areas of this park back in the woods where you can see evidence of "homeless" and or "party" hangouts.


Evidence of "homeless" and or "party hangouts" and 30 people at one time...wouldn't that make it an unlikely place to dump a body, despite the relative emptiness at 5pm?

dreamerlin
10-11-2008, 03:21 PM
Wow! Thank you! This is the area I was looking into as a possibility on the Google maps.

I saw the gates out front. Is this park closed at night? Also, how close can you get to the woods in a car? Can you drive though the wooded areas?

Great pics!

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 03:24 PM
Wow Frip that's alot of hiking.

I was wondering...do you know if any of these areas were under water the last time TES was around or after Fay hit? Was it soggy walking or fairly dry in most places you went?
Sorry too many questions.

Thanks in advance!:)

This area was dry when I went

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Evidence of "homeless" and or "party hangouts" and 30 people at one time...wouldn't that make it an unlikely place to dump a body, despite the relative emptiness at 5pm?

30 people when I was there at that particular time when I left. When I arrived there were 3 people there.

This park is relatively un-used at certain times of the day, each time I was there it was very empty. And I am sure when the soccer practice was over it went back to 2-3 people.

And those woods are deep.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 03:28 PM
Wow! Thank you! This is the area I was looking into as a possibility on the Google maps.

I saw the gates out front. Is this park closed at night? Also, how close can you get to the woods in a car? Can you drive though the wooded areas?

Great pics!

The park is gated but as you can see there is alot of "auto" junk back in those woods you could drive a car back to where I was during the day, unless you were seen of course or at night if you could get by the gate. You would need to cross the grassy area, the path I walked back to there would be about the same a car may take to get to that locale. In one pic you can see an old white car seat in the woods and several tires.

*lore621*
10-11-2008, 03:35 PM
Thank you for sharing your pictures
and thank you for searching.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 03:55 PM
Don't miss the seperate thread for my Blanchard Park search:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72873

Marple
10-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Great job, Friptzap!

MiraclesHappen
10-11-2008, 04:08 PM
Evidence of "homeless" and or "party hangouts" and 30 people at one time...wouldn't that make it an unlikely place to dump a body, despite the relative emptiness at 5pm?

To add to what Frip said---

I don't think it really affects the likelihood of being used, as a place to hide a body.
I have a place where I hike in the woods and it is in central Florida. It never ceases to amaze me, how quickly it gets from thickly settled with homes to completely isolated---no one would hear you scream.:eek:
Anyway, I will be in the middle of "nowhere" struggling to move forward because I am off the used trails and making my own way. And it never fails....I will come across something ridiculously out of place such as a bunch of beer cans or a bag of trash or a pillow and tarp. Trash or not, it would be a good place to hide a body. Likelihood of the body being discovered is next to nil.:)

Meagain
10-11-2008, 04:13 PM
Why would anyone put a body in those places?

MiraclesHappen
10-11-2008, 04:16 PM
Why would anyone put a body in those places?

Because you can only pass it off as a lawn ornament for so long?:rolleyes:

Meagain
10-11-2008, 04:19 PM
They appear totally open/exposed and most are public areas, young trees planted, BBQ grills, etc. No one in their right mind would put a body there.

MiraclesHappen
10-11-2008, 04:19 PM
Why would anyone put a body in those places?

But seriously, I am not sure what kind of "places" you mean.

In the kind of woods I am talking about, I can pass a dead deer on the way in and a few hours later, armies of vultures have reduced it to a skeleton which is then scattered by the elements and other critters. No gators needed--body gone!

OT, cute squirrel...:)

MiraclesHappen
10-11-2008, 04:22 PM
They appear totally open/exposed and most are public areas, young trees planted, BBQ grills, etc. No one in their right mind would put a body there.


I am not sure a person would be in their right mind to begin with, if hiding a body is part of the day's concerns.:eek:

dsd07
10-11-2008, 04:32 PM
They appear totally open/exposed and most are public areas, young trees planted, BBQ grills, etc. No one in their right mind would put a body there.

I agree with you, KC didnt put her there. Its a more remote area, Im thinking to the east past Lee Vista. Anyone else agree?

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 04:35 PM
They appear totally open/exposed and most are public areas, young trees planted, BBQ grills, etc. No one in their right mind would put a body there.

Nobody said she planted the body right in the middle of the soccer field?

The woods I searched are as old as the hills, well if florida had hills.....

That is and was an area of my concern, these woods are just as old as any of the woods in central florida. The park was built long after nature created the woods. And the woods are very deep and you could have a wild party back there in the middle of the night and never be noticed.

While I was there on Labor day apparently the park was officially closed. A worker was apparently working on the plumbing in the womans rest room. Deep back by the edge of the lake, in a more open area than deep in the woods, I could barley hear a horn beep. Unbenownst to me it was this worker waiting at the gate I thought the beep sounded unussualy alertive but I figured if it was this person he would go looking for the person the car belong to before locking them in. Well he didnt and I fortunately for me was still there 20 minutes later when I emerged from the lake area. Again I could barely hear his horm beeping.

Why would any sane person hide a body anywhere? Point is this is a possible location as much a possible location as anywhere in Central Florida. ALL areas in Central Florida are as close to public view as any other area. She would need to travel to some unknown locale to find a truely isolated spot and someone like her is not likely to run around the country side looking for an isolated place, most people go to places they are familiar with and consider each locales "isolation" based on that knowlege. One could imagine she would travel 300 miles to the everglades to find a really isolated place if one wished. But to search you must think of places the individual may know about.

Her daughter loved parks and Casey mentioned " I feel she is close to home" when speaking to Cindy at one point. If she is "close to home" she is in a wooded area / lake that is very much near houses buildings other people as much as this particular park is anyway. Because that is all that is "near home" One would have to travel "far away" to reach a truely isolated place.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 04:37 PM
I agree with you, KC didnt put her there. Its a more remote area, Im thinking to the east past Lee Vista. Anyone else agree?


She could be anywhere? T.E.S. has searched numerous areas similar to this very spot and including as far as I have seen a portion of this very area. You two seem to disregard my efforts and to be honest I am insulted.

tiredofthis
10-11-2008, 04:41 PM
:laugh:

Because you can only pass it off as a lawn ornament for so long?:rolleyes:

LMAO!!

Paladine
10-11-2008, 04:49 PM
I am not sure a person would be in their right mind to begin with, if hiding a body is part of the day's concerns.:eek:

You are hilarious today! :)...

Voice4theSilent
10-11-2008, 04:52 PM
Thank you SO much for searching, for taking the pictures and for taking the time to create the slideshows. I for one am very grateful to have these pictures to look at especially since I am in California and have no visual to attach to any of the "places of interest" in this case. I think it is AWESOME that you take time to search for Caylee and think any effort by anyone to find her is extremely important and should be commended instead of dismissed. Lets face it, this little girl's body could be anywhere. It is easy to sit back on our computer and agrue why she wouldn't have put her there however the truth is, we don't have a clue. If/when her body is found I am sure there will be a lot of people who say she shouldn't have put the body where she did for reasons A-Z so ANYWHERE is a good place to search IMO! We are talking about KC here, right? The same girl who signed her OWN name to the bottom of one of the checks she used at Target? The same girl who lied to the police because she assumed they would take her story at face value? The same girl who partied it up instead of making ANY effort at an outward appearance of actually searching for her daughter even though she had to have known she would have to explain her actions? No one can climb into her head and tell us what she was thinking when she disposed of her daughter's body that day. Any search is a good search! THANKS AGAIN!

MiraclesHappen
10-11-2008, 04:53 PM
You are hilarious today! :)...

Awww Paladine:blowkiss: It's kind of an annual event.

(just trying to deflect a few things):)

Angelonline
10-11-2008, 05:00 PM
She could be anywhere? T.E.S. has searched numerous areas similar to this very spot and including as far as I have seen a portion of this very area. You two seem to disregard my efforts and to be honest I am insulted.

God Bless you for searching. I for one appreciate your efforts, photos, and comments.

Nosey Parker
10-11-2008, 05:09 PM
Thank you SO much for searching, for taking the pictures and for taking the time to create the slideshows. I for one am very grateful to have these pictures to look at especially since I am in California and have no visual to attach to any of the "places of interest" in this case. I think it is AWESOME that you take time to search for Caylee and think any effort by anyone to find her is extremely important and should be commended instead of dismissed. Lets face it, this little girl's body could be anywhere. It is easy to sit back on our computer and agrue why she wouldn't have put her there however the truth is, we don't have a clue. If/when her body is found I am sure there will be a lot of people who say she shouldn't have put the body where she did for reasons A-Z so ANYWHERE is a good place to search IMO! We are talking about KC here, right? The same girl who signed her OWN name to the bottom of one of the checks she used at Target? The same girl who lied to the police because she assumed they would take her story at face value? The same girl who partied it up instead of making ANY effort at an outward appearance of actually searching for her daughter even though she had to have known she would have to explain her actions? No one can climb into her head and tell us what she was thinking when she disposed of her daughter's body that day. Any search is a good search! THANKS AGAIN!

:clap: I second that!

Thank you for your efforts, Friptzap. I'm afraid we sometimes get carried away in our sleuthing modes, and forget to notice the efforts others are putting in. Please don't take offence.

Samijeansg
10-11-2008, 05:13 PM
Very nicely done! You coverd a lot of area!

FLjay
10-11-2008, 05:21 PM
I am not sure a person would be in their right mind to begin with, if hiding a body is part of the day's concerns.:eek:


yep, you've nailed it. :bang:

and thanks, Friptz, for your work. I'll be so glad when everything hidden has been brought to light.

OakIceShimmer
10-11-2008, 05:38 PM
She could be anywhere? T.E.S. has searched numerous areas similar to this very spot and including as far as I have seen a portion of this very area. You two seem to disregard my efforts and to be honest I am insulted.


I certainly appreciate your efforts.

The diapers? Were they their the first time you searched? If so, did you notify LE? No - duh, they wouldn't still be there? Do you have any idea what size they are? It's very difficult to tell from a pic...

That canal is definitely interesting as are those mounds every where. Did you get any idea what the mounds are about? Are LE interested in these areas at all? The dogs would definitely be handy in there.

Lots of stupid questions, sorry.
Oak

dreamerlin
10-11-2008, 05:53 PM
The park is gated but as you can see there is alot of "auto" junk back in those woods you could drive a car back to where I was during the day, unless you were seen of course or at night if you could get by the gate. You would need to cross the grassy area, the path I walked back to there would be about the same a car may take to get to that locale. In one pic you can see an old white car seat in the woods and several tires.

I feel she could not have carried the body very far, even if it was in a duffle type of bag. Plus it would have looked too conspicuous. So the area would have to be where she could pull her car close.

Thank you!

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 06:00 PM
I certainly appreciate your efforts.

The diapers? Were they their the first time you searched? If so, did you notify LE? No - duh, they wouldn't still be there? Do you have any idea what size they are? It's very difficult to tell from a pic...

That canal is definitely interesting as are those mounds every where. Did you get any idea what the mounds are about? Are LE interested in these areas at all? The dogs would definitely be handy in there.

Lots of stupid questions, sorry.
Oak

Nt sure what size that diaper was, I wasn't even sure thats what it as at first, when I flipped it over it was like a mushy sponge almost looked like jello. I suspect they were infant size? looked almost like a hair shower cap when I flipped it at least that size anyway. No I had not reported this and I did not see it the first time. But I was not in that exact spot the first time either. The dogs would be good. I suspect more the end of the canal by the lake, next time I go I will be searching that area. Problem is finding parking close to it! long walk around the roadway hehe. Alot of those mounds are debree piles, leaves etc from raking and maybe wood chipping, apparently they have done alot of that in the past. I was concerned about the wood piles too because they could have been used to place abody under, but by the time I was done in the woods the second time I was too pooped to sift though them to see what if anything was underneath.

there is so much here a search team would be great but I do believe T.E.S. was there at some point for at least part of the park. According to google earth anyway and the map points there. I whish they would offer more detail on how much of an area they have searched. I never had much time when they were her to get involved in anything official so I have just been spending what time I have had when it was available. I would love a map that shows me specifics so I can look in areas that I know for sure have not been previously searched.

dreamerlin
10-11-2008, 06:02 PM
I agree with you, KC didnt put her there. Its a more remote area, Im thinking to the east past Lee Vista. Anyone else agree?

It can't be so remote that she couldn't drive to it. Additionally, I believe it would be an area that she's familiar with. From what I've seen she's not your average murderer (if there is such a thing). She doesn't plan ahead because she doesn't believe she'll be caught, so she doesn't have to. I feel her main concern was to remove the body from her existence, secondary was being hidden so well it would never be found.

I have to say again, excellent job, Frip!!! I live so far away, I really appreciate seeing pics of areas I've only Google-mapped. THANK YOU!!

TURBOTHINK
10-11-2008, 06:03 PM
This area was dry when I went

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.457958~-81.318011&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=27645446&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

I hope this works. This is in that area and it looks like some type of bridge and easy access from a road. You have to do it in the birds eye view.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 06:09 PM
I feel she could not have carried the body very far, even if it was in a duffle type of bag. Plus it would have looked too conspicuous. So the area would have to be where she could pull her car close.

Thank you!

Oh I indeed think she was too lazy to carry her very far but to the woods from the parking lot is not too far really. It's shorter than I have seen mothers carry a 2 1/2 year old in the malls anyway. :) But if she was desperate enough I can see her carrying her much farther even. She could have carried her into the woods one day, just inside and then carried her a litle farther the next and so on too. Or even took breaks all in one day. She is thin young and healthy and apparently was a jogger so she had the energy level to do it. Maybe a tad lazy to do it based on her work history or lack thereof but she could have carried her some distance physically.

But I do agree with the sentiment and I certianly suspect she would take the easiest rotue in the least obvious place she could find to avoid notice. This is a possible such place but there are others that could be easier and closer of course.

One of the reasons I chose this place is it's proximity to her home and it is a park. I would suspect some sort of sentimental value to that in Casey's mind placing her near home and something she loved so much - parks.

GameTheory
10-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Thank you for your efforts, Friptzap. That is one great job you did.

Please though tell me you are taking someone with you in these hikings. No reason to endanger yourself in secluded areas!! BE SAFE

2goldfish
10-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Because you can only pass it off as a lawn ornament for so long?:rolleyes:

:biglaugh: true!


thanks for searching - wish I could help.

TURBOTHINK
10-11-2008, 06:24 PM
She could be anywhere? T.E.S. has searched numerous areas similar to this very spot and including as far as I have seen a portion of this very area. You two seem to disregard my efforts and to be honest I am insulted.

Here are a couple of pictures I am interested in knowing more about. What is this? Is there a road close? Is that a walking trail or a road beside it?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120103.jpg

This one hit me as strange to be out there - what was that made of?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120091.jpg

TURBOTHINK
10-11-2008, 06:25 PM
Thank you for your efforts, Friptzap. That is one great job you did.

Please though tell me you are taking someone with you in these hikings. No reason to endanger yourself in secluded areas!! BE SAFE

Oh at least a 9mm. LOL

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 06:30 PM
Thank you for your efforts, Friptzap. That is one great job you did.

Please though tell me you are taking someone with you in these hikings. No reason to endanger yourself in secluded areas!! BE SAFE

I'm and ex-boyscout from back in the day. I only walk out halway as far as I can walk in one trip and I carry a bottle of water a walking stick and a hunting knife along with my cell phone. But I have been walking alone. I have not hiked in years but the action remains the same and I am always extreemly careful.

So far the only critters I ran across where spiders and squirrels. Considering the squirrel facts I posted on another thread I should be more concerned with the squirrel than the spider but I hate spiders, well more so it is that I hate spider webs!!! those things freak me out!!!

As long as I have water and I am carefull to not twist an ankle I feel very safe, I am not searching swampy gator areas and probably would seek a partner/group in that situation. Or a boat even! But I do appreciate the concern. I have had the same thoughts about some of the teams I have seen searching the one day as I passed by them, some of them look like they have never seen a racoon, possum or for that matter even a squirrel!

If you have never been in the woods deffinatley take a partner, even if you have take one anyway if you have the oppertunity, infortunately my timing has prevented that. I used to hike for 10 miles plus alone in my youth so I have no real fear in doing so again. I just need to monitor my actual ability now conisdering my "conditioning" as long as I do that I'm gold! Which is why I was leaving the woods when I did yesterday in Blanchard Park, dang it that I found that possible evidence and had to wait an additional 3+ hours longer than I intended lol and I did not eat lunch nor did I have any water with me. that was supposed to be a simple "recon" seaqrch only lol. Again thanks for the concern, it is not without merit!

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 06:38 PM
Here are a couple of pictures I am interested in knowing more about. What is this? Is there a road close? Is that a walking trail or a road beside it?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120103.jpg

This one hit me as strange to be out there - what was that made of?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120091.jpg

The first picture is a drainage ditch. I can't recall if the water was running to it or from it but the water goes between there and the lake. That is the trail that runs adjacent to the woods this is just north of the middle of the trail. This trail makes a circle from the first pavilion in the picture to the opposite side of the restroom/maintenance building. Oh and you can see this building in that picture also, look just left of the tree on the right side kind of at the small branchy leaves, it's right there in the background. and the Parking lot is right behind it.

Taht other picture is a what appears to be a MR turtle sand box? It is plastic. I wanted to return here specifically because of that. It was all broken up but partially covered next to /under that carpet. I was considering that it may be the small wagon seen in Casey's beach picture with Caylee inside. But after my return it looks much more like a sandbox and I believe I searched the net and found a Mr Turtle sand box that looked just like what this could have been. But I also did not see any wheels either. and there was much more green plastic than I would think that wagon was made of.

anny0905
10-11-2008, 06:39 PM
Thanks so much for taking your own time to search for Caylee. It's people like you that we need more of in this world! I wish I could help search but I am to far away.

Thanks again for all your effort and pictures. You did a wonderful job.

TURBOTHINK
10-11-2008, 06:39 PM
Here is another one I have a question about. Is that a chain link fence on the right? On the other side of that fence is there water?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120073.jpg

Same question here - is there water beside that fence anywhere?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120061.jpg

There is also a wooden walkway in one of them. Does it go over water?

TURBOTHINK
10-11-2008, 06:42 PM
The reason I am asking you all these questions is I am trying to work it out where I can bring my dog and come down there the end of next week. I am setting up some places I want to go first. I don't have the details worked out yet, but I would like to get with you on some of these areas.

Sassynic
10-11-2008, 06:47 PM
Great job on the pics. Thank you for searching.

sweetmop
10-11-2008, 06:47 PM
Friptzap thank you so much for your searching of these areas... my goodness, you have covered such a lot of ground! And thank you also for all of the pictures. That is super to be able to look at all of the areas that we've heard about and that have been mentioned in news reports. I'm really amazed at the denseness of vegetation in some of these areas, as shown in your pictures.I really applaud your tireless efforts! Your searching for a little girl that this entire country 'has adopted'!:clap:

I wish I lived down there and could join you on some of your searches! I would love to be able to help the cause!
Thank you so much for your searching for precious little Caylee! Poor baby, it is sickening to think about her being out there. She could really be anywhere, couldn't she?

I'm going to look over all of your pictures againg... so interesting!
Thank you again. I appreciate your sharing all that you have done!:blowkiss:

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Here is another one I have a question about. Is that a chain link fence on the right? On the other side of that fence is there water?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120073.jpg

Same question here - is there water beside that fence anywhere?

http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/P9120061.jpg

There is also a wooden walkway in one of them. Does it go over water?

If you loook on the map, this park is next to the lake that is a wood walkway out to a wood pavillion that hangs over the water, as you go out that far it is swampy so the walkway is to reach the pavilion. You can see this on the map easy for a reference. This is the wood walkway you see in the first picture.

In the second picure, the woods itself is surrounded by a fence to "seperate" it from the park. Near the lake edge of this deep woodsy area the fence is mushed down, people have been walking over it for years it seems. Farther along wrapping east and then south around the woods the fence in a few spots is knocked down from the frame. Also if you notice the sandy area there is a fence frame knocked to the ground, this is the entrance to the deep trail that winds through this woods. Well it is a trail at first but vanishes a little ways through, vehicles have been there at one time. I searched a "natural" looking winding pathway through the woods and was probably in the middle when I turned back.

CaliKid
10-11-2008, 06:51 PM
Good job, Fritz. I think I sort of understand what you are saying about the woods.

When I was growing up I lived in a typical southern California subdivision, but across the street and behind a row of homes was a small woods of eucalyptus trees bordering a playground. The trees are gone now - torn down for about 35 newer houses with small yards. That's how small this area was, but to hike in there when it was all trees was like going into a totally different world.

sandcastles4me
10-11-2008, 07:08 PM
Thank you for sharing these pics and for your search efforts. I have never have been to Florida so this really helps me see what the search is up against. A lot of woods and water!:eek:

LeLe1953
10-11-2008, 07:29 PM
:blowkiss: Thank you for all your efforts in searching for Caylee. Stay safe

Marple
10-11-2008, 07:42 PM
One of the reasons I chose this place is it's proximity to her home and it is a park. I would suspect some sort of sentimental value to that in Casey's mind placing her near home and something she loved so much - parks.

Friptzap, I know this area and can vouch that it is definitely a place that someone could drop a body. Just wanted to pipe in as another local.

ETA: As to getting lost in the middle of a city; any other locals remember when that poor guy went missing out by UCF? They found him a few days later, he could hear the cars going by and yelled for help but nobody could hear him! He had sank down in the muck and couldn't get out. For those of you with maps, this was near UCF, Alafaya and Research Pkwy. Very populated area with pockets of wooded areas, so a place does not have to be remote to get lost!

SeriouslySearching
10-11-2008, 07:58 PM
Great job, Friptzap!! The photos are excellent and I am glad you are taking time to search. I think it is very admirable. :) WTG!

I see a lot of areas which look like they could be easily used to hide a small body in those woods. I have to agree with you that Casey isn't going to go to great lengths to do this and looking everywhere is important. The "close to home" comment always stuck with me, too. (The "she's OK" which I now take to mean she had checked and nothing had changed...in other words...still hidden where she left her.)

I noticed a fern in the one photo. Are there a lot of those growing wild in that area? (I know...I know...I have a thing about the ferns. LOL) Did you see any rocks or boulders in that area as I didn't notice any? Strange not to see in the woods because here they are all over the place naturally.

Doing a fine job!! Keep up the good work!! :) Thanks!!

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 08:11 PM
Great job, Friptzap!! The photos are excellent and I am glad you are taking time to search. I think it is very admirable. :) WTG!

I see a lot of areas which look like they could be easily used to hide a small body in those woods. I have to agree with you that Casey isn't going to go to great lengths to do this and looking everywhere is important. The "close to home" comment always stuck with me, too. (The "she's OK" which I now take to mean she had checked and nothing had changed...in other words...still hidden where she left her.)

I noticed a fern in the one photo. Are there a lot of those growing wild in that area? (I know...I know...I have a thing about the ferns. LOL) Did you see any rocks or boulders in that area as I didn't notice any? Strange not to see in the woods because here they are all over the place naturally.

Doing a fine job!! Keep up the good work!! :) Thanks!!

Wild? yes natural to the region? I am not sure, botony is not my bag, some of the vegetation I have seen looked like it may be dumped at some point and not natural to florida in that regard. But again not my bag ..... :)

Boulders? Well I did take geology in college and they are not natural here ;-) florida was the ocean bottom for millions of years the ground is sandy soil and the rock bed is limerock! any boulders would have to roll down hill(Stream) from Georgia but that is why Florida is silty and not "rocky" The geological proccess negates boulders :)

Marple
10-11-2008, 08:20 PM
I noticed a fern in the one photo. Are there a lot of those growing wild in that area? (I know...I know...I have a thing about the ferns. LOL)

I can tell you something about the vegetation in CenFL. Basically it grows all the time since the winters are generally mild. We have many plants on the noxious plants list that are fine in other parts of the country but down here, they just take off like mad! Ferns grow everywhere in shady woodsy areas. I don't see many rocks and stones actually. The soil is sandy, the terrain is flat. During the fire seasons we've had, the firefighters from other states were amazed to see green stuff burning!

surini59
10-11-2008, 08:29 PM
Snipped quote:

Here are the Slideshows:
Part1
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/o...h_P9120015.jpg (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=6cbdb1eb.pbw)
Part2
<A href="http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=b3bdf259.pbw" target=_blank>http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/o...h_P9120078.jpg
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When I click on the links you gave, all that comes up is one photo, very small, appears in upper left corner of screen.....I can't make it larger and it is stationery, not a slideshow. Can anyone give me any help? Thanks.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 08:36 PM
Snipped quote:

Here are the Slideshows:
Part1
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/o...h_P9120015.jpg (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=6cbdb1eb.pbw)
Part2
<A href="http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=b3bdf259.pbw" target=_blank>http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/o...h_P9120078.jpg
**************

When I click on the links you gave, all that comes up is one photo, very small, appears in upper left corner of screen.....I can't make it larger and it is stationery, not a slideshow. Can anyone give me any help? Thanks.

Just click the picture don;t try to "use" the link. In board forums to make the image show up there is adirect link to one of the images related to the slide show so if you only use that portion of the "link" you will not get the slide show.

Try that first andd see if it works, you should get a new window when you click the image in the first post.

SeriouslySearching
10-11-2008, 09:07 PM
Wild? yes natural to the region? I am not sure, botony is not my bag, some of the vegetation I have seen looked like it may be dumped at some point and not natural to florida in that regard. But again not my bag ..... :)

Boulders? Well I did take geology in college and they are not natural here ;-) florida was the ocean bottom for millions of years the ground is sandy soil and the rock bed is limerock! any boulders would have to roll down hill(Stream) from Georgia but that is why Florida is silty and not "rocky" The geological proccess negates boulders :)Thanks for the info, Friptzap and Marple!!

So boulders or rocks you would see in FL would be from landscaping the area or used as rip rap on the edge of waterways and such places then?

Marple
10-11-2008, 09:08 PM
Thanks for the info, Friptzap and Marple!!

So boulders or rocks you would see in FL would be from landscaping the area or used as rip rap on the edge of waterways and such places then?

Yes, we have to buy our boulders. :) Although Northern FL has some rocky areas, as you get nearer to Georgia.

SeriouslySearching
10-11-2008, 09:12 PM
I could get you guys boulders from here for a song. LOL A lot of people use the rock found on their land to build their homes!

Thanks, Marple! :)

surini59
10-11-2008, 09:39 PM
Just click the picture don;t try to "use" the link. In board forums to make the image show up there is adirect link to one of the images related to the slide show so if you only use that portion of the "link" you will not get the slide show.

Try that first andd see if it works, you should get a new window when you click the image in the first post.

I still can't get it to work, I don't see an image in the first post, just the links I quoted above. But I do thank you for trying to help me, I'm sure it's me.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 09:44 PM
I still can't get it to work, I don't see an image in the first post, just the links I quoted above. But I do thank you for trying to help me, I'm sure it's me.

No it's not you. It may be yourfirewal or something, or how you have your personal settings on the forum, can you ever view any images?

That aside just copy and past the first part of the "link" from the http/ to the pxb that part is the link to the slide show. I will post a direct link as well to make it easy in the meantime try that. (Check the original post for the new links in a few minutes.)

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 09:46 PM
Thanks for the info, Friptzap and Marple!!

So boulders or rocks you would see in FL would be from landscaping the area or used as rip rap on the edge of waterways and such places then?

Bassically that is the only way. Rocks cost money too! not just a song! I paid 80 bucks for a big white smooth looking rock for my pond!!

Pink Panther
10-11-2008, 09:47 PM
I still can't get it to work, I don't see an image in the first post, just the links I quoted above. But I do thank you for trying to help me, I'm sure it's me.

Click only on the picture. Not on the underlined title. Hold your control key down while you click.

karenz
10-11-2008, 09:54 PM
This area was dry when I went

I was in Orlando today (I live in St. Augustine) and I was amazed on how wet it was compared to the last time I was there (my daughter is a soccer player so we travel in FL a lot). I understand much better what TES has been saying.

Thanks for searching. I wish we could find her.

Openmyeyes
10-11-2008, 09:57 PM
Thanks for all the pics, Friptzap. I drove Frontage Rd all the way until it dead ends and that area is very desolate. We were there early in the morning and didn't see many cars pass us at all. Not hard to imagine Casey going somewhere that would provide the path of least resistance, so to speak. She could have easily done this and cleaned up in a 3 hour time span.l

Also, I commend you for venturing into any woods around there, at any time of day. The heat was the part that got me. It was oppressive, even when you are in the thick part of the woods.

Keep up the good work, be safe and keep sending us pictures.

surini59
10-11-2008, 10:02 PM
I got it to work...I don't know what the problem was as I usually don't have any problems viewing anything posted. Thanks so much :blowkiss:

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 10:03 PM
I was in Orlando today (I live in St. Augustine) and I was amazed on how wet it was compared to the last time I was there (my daughter is a soccer player so we travel in FL a lot). I understand much better what TES has been saying.

Thanks for searching. I wish we could find her.

Yeah we got some horendous rain the pat few nights.

Friptzap
10-11-2008, 10:05 PM
I got it to work...I don't know what the problem was as I usually don't have any problems viewing anything posted. Thanks so much :blowkiss:
Great, there are links there now too just in case.

SieSie
10-11-2008, 10:25 PM
((( Friptzap ))) Thank you for all of your hard work - the searching, picture uploading and posting - it is appreciated. :blowkiss:

MiraclesHappen
10-12-2008, 11:40 AM
Yes, we have to buy our boulders. :) Although Northern FL has some rocky areas, as you get nearer to Georgia.
It all balances out--we get free seashells.

I'm about 30 miles inland but if I dig up a sandy area, I unearth shells of all sizes. It's kind of weird. There are seashells all over the dense woods, in some areas around me.

As for the ferns...something about this climate is super fern-friendly.

We have fern farms in my county and they are known to provide the greatest percentage of ferns to florists across the lands. I am approximately 35 miles from Frip's search area.

It is incredibly difficult to walk through the woods around here as compared to the North. The thick tangly underbrush will "attack you". Those "Tarzan swinging" vines are all over the place. They also leap out and capture people...
And vegetation is often too thickly growing to move forward in anything but short increments as you cut out a pathway.
This description is for not too remote terrain...fairly easy to access:)

dsd07
10-13-2008, 08:37 AM
[QUOTE=Friptzap;2804158 You two seem to disregard my efforts and to be honest I am insulted.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry if i offended you, but I didnt see anything insulting in my post. Just that I disagree and think she is somewhere else. good work however.

Gummishoe
10-13-2008, 08:44 AM
Thank you for sharing your search results with us, living up north our woods are not as scary for me at least :waitasec: looking at your photos I shiver at the thought of snakes and anything else there. Please be safe and thank you for all of your hard work and sincere efforts.
:blowkiss:

Friptzap
10-13-2008, 02:17 PM
I am sorry if i offended you, but I didnt see anything insulting in my post. Just that I disagree and think she is somewhere else. good work however.

She could be in any of a million places. This is one of two I have searched. Honestly I don't care that you don't think she is in this one place or even not in the other place I have searched. IF you think she is "someplace" specific please by all means go search. Your comment came accross as an insult to my efforts period and now you choose to say good work? I am not going to stop looking in areas I feel she may be based on your opinion so please keep that opinion to yourself.

Brini
10-13-2008, 02:56 PM
I initially searched this park once on Labor day. I did not have my camera at that time so I did not want to move any items I had seen att hat time. I retured on September 12th and these are the photos from that search.

There are way to many to post/comment individually to each photo so I thought I would post them and if people wish to ask some specifics I will try to respond as well as I can to those concerns.

Background on this park: It has been around for a while, you will see a tag I photo'd from the bottom of one of the benches which dates the bench to 06' This park is next to a huge lake right where the airplanes pass overhead on their landing approach to the OIA. This is just off of McCoy road. This visit with the photos was at 5pm the park was very empty as I exited there were a few more poeple there for a little league soccer practice/game. Maybe 30 people at that time. There were areas of this park back in the woods where you can see evidence of "homeless" and or "party" hangouts.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=28.457958~-81.318011&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=27645446&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
The above link shows the location on a map.

You will also notice that on my way out I circled the south most hotel and took some shots from behind it including it's dumpster and along the south perimiter as well and in one picture you can see the Airport Tower. Then I traveled southwest onto McCoy road and took a few images of a canal I have an interest to search along one day. This canal leads back to the big lake next to the park. This park is opposite the lake from Conway road. It is also very near the A's residence. And minimally used as far as I can tell.

Here are the Slideshows:
Part1
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/th_P9120015.jpg (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=6cbdb1eb.pbw)
Link for those who cannot click the image: http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=6cbdb1eb.pbw

Part2
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/th_P9120078.jpg (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=b3bdf259.pbw)
Link for those who cannot click the image: http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/Friptzap/Airport%20Lakes%20Park%20Search%20Effort%201/?action=view&current=b3bdf259.pbw

The individual files are in photobucket as well if you wish to post a specific one to ask a question. If you follow the progression of the slide show this also follows my path of travel in the order that I took the pictures.

Good on YOU, honey!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap:

And, thanks for the pix! :blowkiss: