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Georgia PI
10-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Discuss that day only.

I have requested this thread because the information of that day's event's are getting scattered throuout the pings thread and is making it difficult to keep up with the informaion

Warning - Please discuss that days events only here.

Ping Map for June 18, 2008

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.0004594335716fe8b328b&ll=28.527226,-81.326981&spn=0.269665,0.432587&t=h&z=11

bullet225ho
10-15-2008, 01:35 PM
Not sure about pings....but I do know that she did NOT use her personal phone for 10 hours that day (18 1/2 hours if you go into the 17th).

Celt1997
10-15-2008, 01:35 PM
Georgia PI- My only question is where did you get the information for JG's address? I originally had been told that he lived in Arden Villas, which is by Rusciano's house.

shadow of my mind
10-15-2008, 01:51 PM
Georgia PI- My only question is where did you get the information for JG's address? I originally had been told that he lived in Arden Villas, which is by Rusciano's house.

In Tony L. interview with LE he said that Casey went to visit someone whom he assumed lived at Arden Villas and after 45 minuets came back to the pool area with JG in tow. So when I first read that I also assumed that JG lived there but on the documnets that first came out where you could still see address and phone number JG lists his address on page 7 of the documents as being in Orlando at Lake Marsha Dr and the number is 7000.

[I try not to show the entire address all together which helps cut down on webcrawlers picking them up.]

TexasLil
10-15-2008, 01:59 PM
Here are all the calls associated with the Pings that day:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=551&pictureid=4283

txmama
10-15-2008, 02:03 PM
So, if I am reading this correctly and by using what very little I know about cell phone pings (or think I know, I'm going to assume that what I know could very well be wrong), she stayed at TonE's until about 2:42pm, heads down to her parents house for an hour or so and then heads back to TonE's. Is that correct?

Georgia PI
10-15-2008, 02:05 PM
Georgia PI- My only question is where did you get the information for JG's address? I originally had been told that he lived in Arden Villas, which is by Rusciano's house.

Early interviews and Whitepages.

TexasLil
10-15-2008, 02:20 PM
In Tony L. interview with LE he said that Casey went to visit someone whom he assumed lived at Arden Villas and after 45 minuets came back to the pool area with JG in tow. So when I first read that I also assumed that JG lived there but on the documnets that first came out where you could still see address and phone number JG lists his address on page 7 of the documents as being in Orlando at Lake Marsha Dr and the number is 7000.

[I try not to show the entire address all together which helps cut down on webcrawlers picking them up.]

On JG's intial handwritten statement dated 7/16 he listed the Marsha address.

Pink Panther
10-15-2008, 02:32 PM
How wonderful to see this threads broken out into days this way! Thanks so much for doing this!

butwhatif?
10-17-2008, 08:34 AM
My pings for that afternoon show her taking a bit of a cruise...and why I have been interested in this date(and detour)
The call at 3.42pm pings at Chelsea harbour drive near Vista Park BLVD. Call was 115 sec to XXXX5443.

28.4547222 -81.2636111
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=28.4547222+-81.2636111&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=28.456128,-81.263616&spn=0.016488,0.033002&z=15

Or am I doing it wrong?
ETA- Also curious as to why we are missing the lat/long of the 15:16:17 call.

If I have worked it out correctly, looks like there is some missing time...
The pings from the incoming SMS at 2.42pm 28.5028444 -81.2863333
show her near Goldenrod and Curry Ford Rd, and the next ping is the one above.
According to google maps, that journey should take 11 mins.
will finish tomorrow...have a cheeky 3yr old who doesnt want to go to bed....cuddletime.

butwhatif?
10-17-2008, 09:13 AM
DUH me!! I hadnt waited for the google map to load properly, and I see you already had the ping there. :blushing:
ITs late here....Can I use that as my excuse? LOL...

Marsha
10-18-2008, 09:52 AM
Here are all the calls associated with the Pings that day:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=551&pictureid=4283


A POSSIBLE SYNOPSIS OF JUNE 18TH:


June 17th continued

8:36pm-11:18pm ---KC initiates texts and receives texts.....several to and from AL----------------from area of AL apartment
(one of them is not at apartment, otherwise why text)
June 18th

12:10-12:19am------KC makes 2 calls to Pappa John's Pizza and 2 calls to unknown # -----------from area of AL apartment

12:22am--------------KC texts AL (one of them is not at apartment, otherwise why text) ------------from area of AL apartment

12:31am--------------AL texts KC (one of them is not at apartment, otherwise why text) -----------from area of AL apartment

7:55am-10:48am----Several unknown texts, possibly ATT related - No other phone activity -------from area of AL apartment
(10+ hr gap since last text from AL at 12:31 am)
10:52am---------------KC texts Cindy A's cell phone -------------------------------------------------------from area of AL apartment

12:33pm---------------KC calls the Lexus Dealership-------------------------------------------------------from area of AL apartment

12:34pm---------------KC calls Cindy A's cell....3 sec (Mom, Call me please) -------------------------from area of AL apartment

12:35pm---------------KC calls Anthony home.....no answer (Cindy is working, where's GA?) -----from area of AL apartment

12:36pm---------------KC calls George A's cell twice, no answer (trying to find out where GA is?) -from area of AL apartment

1:09pm---------------- KC calls Cindy A's cell - 1.3 min (still trying to find out if GA is home?) -----from area of AL apartment

1:11pm-----------------KC calls Anthony home - 30 sec----(Hi dad, oh you're getting ready for
work, or wherever....oh shoot, I've got another call, I'll call you later OK) ----from area AL apartment
(Ah-haa, he's not going to be home! I've got to get in that backyard and
move Caylee!)

2:05pm-----------------KC texts AL -----------------------------------------------------------------------------from area of AL apartment

2:42pm-3:42pm-------KC is in Anthony Home area, possibly arrived there as early as 2:25pm-----Anthony home area
(rec'd 2 msgs (poss. from ATT) at 2:11p while en route & at 2:42p and
text from AL at 2:47pm)

(THIS QUITE POSSIBLY IS THE AFTERNOON KC BORROWED THE SHOVEL!!
(If Not on the 18th, KC was in Anthony Home area between 2:29p - 4:05p on the 17th)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=150&day=2008-6-18&c=4

2:47pm-----------------AL texts KC

3:42pm-----------------KC calls AL - almost 2 min. ----------------------------------------------------------from Anthony area

4:10pm-4:11pm-------KC calls Amy H. 1/1/2 min, she is en route back to AL's apartment -----------en route back to AL area

4:13pm-----------------KC calls Lexus Dealership again-----------------------------------------------------en route back to AL area

4:27pm-----------------Maria K. calls KC, 1 1/4 min.---------------------------------------------------------back in AL area

4:28pm-----------------No phone activity until 6:39pm (other than poss. ATT msgs----------------------in AL area
(2 hr. gap)
6:39pm-----------------KC calls Cindy A's cell- 2.6 min-------------------------------------------------------from AL Area
(This is the last call of the day of the 18th until 8:32am the next morn.) (13+ hr. gap)

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 10:34 AM
...for 6/18-only thread...

IIRC, Brian B. states shovel day is 6/17 or 6/18 and Casey borrows shovel ~1:30-2:30PM or as late as maybe 3PM...not quite certain, but, she has it for ~1hr.

Consider the following ping, fb & computer forensic info and which may support shovel day as 6/17 or 6/18.

All times are approximate based on pings entering/leaving area...

ON TUE 6/17:


2:29PM...arrived @ G&C's...1 min call to Ricardo
2:44PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:44PM...~20 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...attempted call to Clint...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...~10 second call to Clint pinged @ G&C's
3:15PM...Facebook msg'd Amy "can't wait to get you moved in" (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:31PM...downloaded Father's day pics to laptop (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:53PM...text to Tony...pinged Lee Vista Area (note: pics downld @ 3:31, then ping @ 3:53..then next ping back @ G&C's)
3:55PM...text to Tony...pinged back @ G&C's
3:56PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
3:57PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:04PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:05PM...~10 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
5:20PM...called 9899#...Chris S. security gate maybe?
5:20PM-8:38PM...no cell activity...Chris S. states Casey there in dark Grand Cherokee

ON WED 6/18:


3:16PM...arrived @ G&C's...short (seconds) call to Tony
3:42PM...pinged @ G&C's...2 min call to Tony...
4:11PM...left G&C's before this time...2 min call to Amy...pinged NE of Chris S. house
NOTE: Brian B. comments on seeing the PONTIAC backed into the garage. 6/17 events suggest Casey had to change cars between 4:05PM and 5:20PM to have Tony's GC @ Chris' by 5:20. Hmmmmm

Marsha
10-20-2008, 04:17 PM
...for 6/18-only thread...

IIRC, Brian B. states shovel day is 6/17 or 6/18 and Casey borrows shovel ~1:30-2:30PM or as late as maybe 3PM...not quite certain, but, she has it for ~1hr.

Consider the following ping, fb & computer forensic info and which may support shovel day as 6/17 or 6/18.

All times are approximate based on pings entering/leaving area...



ON TUE 6/17:


2:29PM...arrived @ G&C's...1 min call to Ricardo
2:44PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:44PM...~20 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...attempted call to Clint...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...~10 second call to Clint pinged @ G&C's
3:15PM...Facebook msg'd Amy "can't wait to get you moved in" (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:31PM...downloaded Father's day pics to laptop (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:53PM...text to Tony...pinged Lee Vista Area (note: pics downld @ 3:31, then ping @ 3:53..then next ping back @ G&C's)
3:55PM...text to Tony...pinged back @ G&C's
3:56PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
3:57PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:04PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:05PM...~10 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
5:20PM...called 9899#...Chris S. security gate maybe?
5:20PM-8:38PM...no cell activity...Chris S. states Casey there in dark Grand Cherokee

ON WED 6/18:


3:16PM...arrived @ G&C's...short (seconds) call to Tony
3:42PM...pinged @ G&C's...2 min call to Tony...
4:11PM...left G&C's before this time...2 min call to Amy...pinged NE of Chris S. house
NOTE: Brian B. comments on seeing the PONTIAC backed into the garage. 6/17 events suggest Casey had to change cars between 4:05PM and 5:20PM to have Tony's GC @ Chris' by 5:20. Hmmmmm


I show KC being in the A's home area on the 18th at 2:42pm....possibly being there earlier than that...but there is unknown activity on her phone at 2:42p.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 04:43 PM
I show KC being in the A's home area on the 18th at 2:42pm....possibly being there earlier than that...but there is unknown activity on her phone at 2:42p.

I stand corrected, Marsha. Thanks.

Now I see the 2:11PM incoming text up by Amscot,
then, a 2:42PM incoming ext by the Anthony home.

Thanks!

captdj
10-21-2008, 09:55 PM
Casey borrows shovel- returns it 45 minutes later-then she turns phone off at 7pm- Today also is a --Full Moon -----but rainshowers until 9pm. No phone calls, No texts, No computer facebook files modified for this date. Noone confirmed being with her this evening that I have found. Very Very Bizarre Bahavior for Casey.

Does anyone have info on her for this evening?

Pink Panther
10-24-2008, 03:30 PM
If we go by the forensic reports released today, it's likely that KC moved Caylee's body into the trunk of the car the afternoon of the 18th or 19th of June. The pings for this day, support this as a possibility. (Based on the assumption that Caylee was killed on June 16th.)

MOO

awakewriter
10-24-2008, 06:57 PM
Ping 11, 3:42 to 4:11 p.m. has Casey at Johnson's Wreckers.

Can someone tell me what the significance is of this landmark?

Georgia PI
10-24-2008, 07:20 PM
Ping 11, 3:42 to 4:11 p.m. has Casey at Johnson's Wreckers.

Can someone tell me what the significance is of this landmark?

This is Johnson's Wrecker and is where the car was towed to from Amscot, there is a cell tower located to the rear of the lot.

It is observed that when KC is a home her call's hit the two towers (see ping 10 & 11)

JWG
11-01-2008, 01:15 PM
Weather records from Orlando Airport: Clear with some periodic clouds until at least 2:53 PM. Rain reported at 3:53 PM, turns heavy by 4:29 PM, and ends by 4:51 PM. A thunderstorm later rolls through beginning at 7:22 PM and ends by 8:33 PM. Rain is again reported at 8:53 and is over by 9:53.

(http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORL/2008/6/16/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA)June 18 Weather (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORL/2008/6/18/DailyHistory.html)

BB12
11-03-2008, 11:26 PM
June 18 –Heavy rain- 12:10 am - 2:11pm-afternoon = TonE apartment. 10:52am-KC texts Cindy's cell phone. There was another spike in calls to her parents, six in 45 minutes during the early afternoon. Three calls were made to her parent's home phone, two to her mom's cell phone and one to her dad's cell phone from 12:34 to 1:11. 2:05pm-KC texts TonE. Travel time- could be in the Anthony home as early as 2:25pm. 2:42 pm – 4:11 pm- George or Lee’s home— Casey is observed backing her car up into her parent’s garage-from 3-4pm- (Casey attempts to bury Caylee?) Casey borrows a shovel from the neighbor. (BB). Caylee is not seen that day by the neighbor. 2:47pm TonE texts KC. 3:42pm KC calls TonE 2 min. 4:10pm KC calls Amy H. 4:13pm-KC calls Lexus Dealership again. 4:27pm incoming call from Maria K. lasted 1 minute. Then drove to TonE apartment. 4:27 pm - 6:57 pm- back at TonE apartment. 4:28pm-No phone activity until 6:39pm KC calls Cindy A's cell- 2.6 min. No other cell activity after 6:57 pm until 8:32am. 13+ hr. gap Casey text Troy B. about going to Fusion Page 1326 Lines 9 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008 .
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.0004594335716fe8b328b&ll=28.527226,-81.326981&spn=0.269665,0.432587&t=h&z=11 Cell phone pins/map
Ordered Pizza from Papa John’s – one can assume it is this pizza box that ended up in the trunk.

Georgia PI
11-20-2008, 06:10 PM
Originaly Posted by TexasLil

June 18 Ping

Please check June 18th map

4:11 p.m. ping at 28.5280556 N 81.2486111 W


Ping 11 - was corrected to 3:42 pm

Ping 11 A - was added 4:10 pm - 4:11 pm (ping 11A can be found at the bottom of the ping list on the left hand side while viewing the map.

drumstick
01-10-2009, 09:23 AM
If we go by the forensic reports released today, it's likely that KC moved Caylee's body into the trunk of the car the afternoon of the 18th or 19th of June. The pings for this day, support this as a possibility. (Based on the assumption that Caylee was killed on June 16th.)

MOO

I had long ago thought June 19th was the day because after seeing the photos of the 20th I had a gut feeling that she had "discarded her past", so to speak.
I thought there was some confusion about which day she borrowed the neighbor's shovel. The 18th or 19th. I had read somewhere that the neighbor couldn't remember the exact day.

Months later we learn that the FBI results say 2.6 days and le believes the 18th is the day. Working in a "backwards sort of way" that would put the baby in the trunk around 9:00 AM on Monday morning the 16th?

Based on a timeline of 3:00PM Wednesday the 18th being moved from the trunk of the car to the backyard at the A's.

Does that sound right?

Nelliebell
01-10-2009, 04:40 PM
I had long ago thought June 19th was the day because after seeing the photos of the 20th I had a gut feeling that she had "discarded her past", so to speak.
I thought there was some confusion about which day she borrowed the neighbor's shovel. The 18th or 19th. I had read somewhere that the neighbor couldn't remember the exact day.

Months later we learn that the FBI results say 2.6 days and le believes the 18th is the day. Working in a "backwards sort of way" that would put the baby in the trunk around 9:00 AM on Monday morning the 16th?

Based on a timeline of 3:00PM Wednesday the 18th being moved from the trunk of the car to the backyard at the A's.

Does that sound right?

I think that this is probably the closest assumption we can make at this time. I had originally thought that KC had killed Caylee shortly after not being able to reach her parents on the 16th. Maybe thinking, "well sh@#!, who's going to watch her tonight, I want to go hang out with Tony" But now it seems that she may have suffocated her with chloroform shortly after she left her parents home mid morning of the 16th and kept her in the trunk until the afternoon of the 18th when she realized she wouldn't be able to bury her in the backyard. I've played with the idea that she put her somewhere in the backyard at first, but now I'm thinking that she maybe only had her there either when she tried to bury her or possibly when she killed her. JMO

JWG
01-10-2009, 06:41 PM
I think that this is probably the closest assumption we can make at this time. I had originally thought that KC had killed Caylee shortly after not being able to reach her parents on the 16th. Maybe thinking, "well sh@#!, who's going to watch her tonight, I want to go hang out with Tony" But now it seems that she may have suffocated her with chloroform shortly after she left her parents home mid morning of the 16th and kept her in the trunk until the afternoon of the 18th when she realized she wouldn't be able to bury her in the backyard. I've played with the idea that she put her somewhere in the backyard at first, but now I'm thinking that she maybe only had her there either when she tried to bury her or possibly when she killed her. JMO

I would not go so far as to say June 18 is a fixed firm date. This is an estimated date based solely on the forensic botanist and / or entomologist report. Given the analysis was done on evidence that had grown or evolved over 178 days, even a small 1% margin of error would be nearly two days.

The significance of the report is that is supports the body being placed in the area within days after death and not moved around one or more times over the ensuing months as has been postulated on this and other sites. I have little doubt that the authors of the report would agree that the 19th or 20th are well-supported by the evidence as well.

Recent posts Bond and I worked on show that the likely time decompositional fluids leaked into the trunk - based on actual area temperature records - was around 3:30 PM on the 20th. This assumes the time of death was sometime between 3 and 4 PM on June 16, which is well supported by cell phone and computer use evidence as well as testimony from George and JG.

Bond presented compelling evidence in one of his recent posts that the body was dumped at the location on June 20 - as opposed to June 18 or June 24. IMHO the recent rumors of evidence bolster the June 20 theory.

daisy7
01-10-2009, 10:19 PM
JWG-

Love all your posts!:)

Can you give us some more info on the computer activity for this day?

TIA!:)

JWG
01-10-2009, 11:23 PM
JWG-

Love all your posts!:)

Can you give us some more info on the computer activity for this day?

TIA!:)

Unfortunately Daisy, the document dumps have not said anything that I can find regarding computer usage on the 18th. I'd love to see the reports. Better yet, I'd love to have a copy of the hard drive. :wink:

daisy7
01-11-2009, 12:04 PM
Unfortunately Daisy, the document dumps have not said anything that I can find regarding computer usage on the 18th. I'd love to see the reports. Better yet, I'd love to have a copy of the hard drive. :wink:

BUMMER!! But, thanks for letting us know!:)

passionflower
01-15-2009, 12:18 AM
Does anything on this day tie into the abandoned house where the PI's were searching?
Pings? car seen?

BondJamesBond
01-15-2009, 02:23 AM
Hi, passionflower.

The Brackenwood house is so close to G&C's (0.3 mile north) that all we'd be able to say is that when she's pinging in the same area as G&C's she could be @ Brackenwood (or Lee's for that matter which is 0.6 mile north of G&C's).

We do know that she was in the area between 2:11PM and 4:11PM on 6/18, and that Brian B. placed her @ G&C's for at least an hour havin' borrowed the shovel for approx. that time.

Hope that helps.

Valhall
04-28-2009, 07:42 AM
Something is bugging me about the Brian Burner interview with OCSO conducted on July 30th.

Starting on page 6, EE asks about KC's appearance when she finally brings the shovel back.

I'll start here...

EE: No sweat on brow or nothing?

BB: No sweat. She wasn't, didn't appear to be muddy or the shovel wasn't even muddy.

I don't know how to put into words why this is important to me, so I'll just give it a clumsy go. BB centering in on "not muddy" is almost like an excited utterance...in other words, what I'm saying is, that statement is hitting me as if it is a memory from his subconscious rather than him even being aware on a conscious level that "if the shovel had been used it should have been muddy". Stated another way...BB has consciously tried to remember exactly what day the shovel incident happened, and is having a hard time, but subconsciously he is tying the logical thought that the shovel, if used, should have been muddy.

So the reason this stands out to me is that on the 18th of June I'm not sure there should have been any reason for the shovel to have been muddy if it was used. But every day after that through at least the 22nd of June, the shovel, if used and not cleaned off, SHOULD have been muddy.

Just throwing this out for discussion, because this is just one thing hanging me up in getting comfortable with when exactly this darned shovel incident happened. uggh!

BondJamesBond
04-28-2009, 10:43 AM
Something is bugging me about the Brian Burner interview with OCSO conducted on July 30th.
*snipped*

FWIW, seems like a good question for the Brian B. thread in the main forum. Likely to draw more subject-matter experts that way, IMHO.

Boodles
07-08-2011, 12:24 PM
I think that this is probably the closest assumption we can make at this time. I had originally thought that KC had killed Caylee shortly after not being able to reach her parents on the 16th. Maybe thinking, "well sh@#!, who's going to watch her tonight, I want to go hang out with Tony" But now it seems that she may have suffocated her with chloroform shortly after she left her parents home mid morning of the 16th and kept her in the trunk until the afternoon of the 18th when she realized she wouldn't be able to bury her in the backyard. I've played with the idea that she put her somewhere in the backyard at first, but now I'm thinking that she maybe only had her there either when she tried to bury her or possibly when she killed her. JMO

Seems to me you got it right, Nelliebell.