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CW
10-17-2008, 12:35 PM
Continue posting here please. I am giving a last and final warning before we start giving timeouts. I have posted so many post with a warning that members are NOT TO POST PEOPLES LAST NAME. I hate to have to timeout folks BUT some think that they do not have to Obey Tricia's rules here at WS. We do NOT feel that is asking much of our members.
Thank You,
Sincerely,
Windchime

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 12:38 PM
Please remember, if you accidentally post a last name, you can go back and edit your message to remove the last name and only use the initial.

Thank you WindChime for allowing us to continue

tasylshari
10-17-2008, 01:03 PM
Sorry if this has already been answered in a previous thread or post, but does anyone know if KC's cell pinged by Boggy Creek Road at the end of June? Apparently there are two seperate witnesses who claim to have seen what appeared to be Casey and the white Pontiac there. If she pinged out there around the end of June.....?????? THANKS!

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 01:12 PM
Sorry if this has already been answered in a previous thread or post, but does anyone know if KC's cell pinged by Boggy Creek Road at the end of June? Apparently there are two seperate witnesses who claim to have seen what appeared to be Casey and the white Pontiac there. If she pinged out there around the end of June.....?????? THANKS!

So far the only ping is located at the main terminal at the Orlando Airport, nothing south west of that yet.

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 01:12 PM
Georgia PI,

Sorry for coming up with more addresses for the maps. Hopefully it's easy to change on all maps. Here is Voyage night club.

Voyage Night Club‎
17 W Pine St

Black Magic Woman
10-17-2008, 01:14 PM
I have sent that section of the ping missing locations (pg. 74) to the person at AT&T. we'll see what she comes up with.

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 01:14 PM
So far the only ping is located at the main terminal at the Orlando Airport, nothing south west of that yet.

What do you think of making a map with ALL pings on one map? There are 58unique pings in the cell records.

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 01:17 PM
Georgia PI,

Sorry for coming up with more addresses for the maps. Hopefully it's easy to change on all maps. Here is Voyage night club.

Voyage Night Club‎
17 W Pine St

No problem, I trying to keep the maps clean and not have to much information that it gets confusing, do you know what days that address comes into play and I can add it to those days.

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 01:19 PM
What do you think of making a map with ALL pings on one map? There are 58unique pings in the cell records.

Could do, buy it won't be until much later, I am trying to get the Ping Maps Thu June completed.

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 01:19 PM
I have sent that section of the ping missing locations (pg. 74) to the person at AT&T. we'll see what she comes up with.

Good deal, Thanks !.

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 01:23 PM
So far the only ping is located at the main terminal at the Orlando Airport, nothing south west of that yet.

The closest ping I see is July 5th at this location:

28.4372222 N 81.365 W

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 01:25 PM
No problem, I trying to keep the maps clean and not have to much information that it gets confusing, do you know what days that address comes into play and I can add it to those days.

July 2nd is what's indicated on the docs and calendar.

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 01:30 PM
July 2nd is what's indicated on the docs and calendar.

OK, when I get to July I will add it.

BondJamesBond
10-17-2008, 02:23 PM
OK, when I get to July I will add it.

"No good deed goes unpunished" :blowkiss:

BondJamesBond
10-17-2008, 02:29 PM
I have sent that section of the ping missing locations (pg. 74) to the person at AT&T. we'll see what she comes up with.

Nice, 1st time. Very nice! TY! :)

BondJamesBond
10-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Sorry if this has already been answered in a previous thread or post, but does anyone know if KC's cell pinged by Boggy Creek Road at the end of June? Apparently there are two seperate witnesses who claim to have seen what appeared to be Casey and the white Pontiac there. If she pinged out there around the end of June.....?????? THANKS!

Even if the cell pings don't put Casey in the Boggy Creek Road area...don't forget...the periods of inactivity may yet match up w/ sitings - IOW, don't discount the sitings only on the basis of no pings there...(I dunno how credible the sitings are...I'm jus sayin'...)

...another poster already provided a short-list of long periods w/ no cell inactivity. A more detailed list should be forthcoming...

shadow of my mind
10-17-2008, 02:42 PM
sniped: Brought over from the last thread

Courtesy of Georgia PI

The Following Ping Maps have been created.

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The Following Ping Maps have been created and can be found at the link below.

Ping Map for June 15, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 17, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 18, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 19, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 20, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 21, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 26, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 27, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 28, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for July 10, 2008 - Discuss that day only


(Maps for June 22 thru June 25 are in work)


Anthony Case Sticky Threads

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233
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alwaysonmymind
10-17-2008, 03:01 PM
OOPs-

mommya
10-17-2008, 03:12 PM
always... I don't think that link is welcome here - you may want to remove it.

alwaysonmymind
10-17-2008, 03:17 PM
always... I don't think that link is welcome here - you may want to remove it.

Thank you. I knew there was a link that is a no-no but I had never seen it.

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 03:44 PM
Bullet provided me with some unusual pings that we haven't seen in analyzing the 6/15 forward ping locations. I decided to create a map of these in case we find interest/coincidence that these ping locations never again showed up after 6/15.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108634223982490658038.00045977dc5140d65cdf0&ll=28.654441,-81.283722&spn=0.562777,0.878906&t=h&z=10&iwloc=0004597821586fc42cb5b

bullet225ho
10-17-2008, 04:09 PM
Bullet provided me with some unusual pings that we haven't seen in analyzing the 6/15 forward ping locations. I decided to create a map of these in case we find interest/coincidence that these ping locations never again showed up after 6/15.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108634223982490658038.00045977dc5140d65cdf0&ll=28.654441,-81.283722&spn=0.562777,0.878906&t=h&z=10&iwloc=0004597821586fc42cb5b

I went back and looked. The unknown ping in the map was made on June 1st at 1:45am

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 04:35 PM
I went back and looked. The unknown ping in the map was made on June 1st at 1:45am

Ok... I added the date to the map. Thanks!

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108634223982490658038.00045977dc5140d65cdf0&ll=28.614665,-81.285095&spn=0.56058,0.878906&t=h&z=10

Georgia PI
10-17-2008, 07:06 PM
Ping Map for June 23, 2008 is posted in the other thread.

TexasLil
10-17-2008, 07:12 PM
Ping Map for June 23, 2008 is posted in the other thread.

Thanks Georgia PI. You hard work is much appreciated here and doesn't go unnoticed.

Here's the link again since this just bumped up.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233

realist
10-17-2008, 08:11 PM
Bullet provided me with some unusual pings that we haven't seen in analyzing the 6/15 forward ping locations. I decided to create a map of these in case we find interest/coincidence that these ping locations never again showed up after 6/15.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108634223982490658038.00045977dc5140d65cdf0&ll=28.654441,-81.283722&spn=0.562777,0.878906&t=h&z=10&iwloc=0004597821586fc42cb5b

The 3 pings NW are when she took AL to pick up his car from the repair shop. It is located in Fern Park.

Muzikman
10-17-2008, 08:51 PM
Bullet provided me with some unusual pings that we haven't seen in analyzing the 6/15 forward ping locations. I decided to create a map of these in case we find interest/coincidence that these ping locations never again showed up after 6/15.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108634223982490658038.00045977dc5140d65cdf0&ll=28.654441,-81.283722&spn=0.562777,0.878906&t=h&z=10&iwloc=0004597821586fc42cb5b

Good idea Lil! Interesting to see that one ping way down south - on June 9. Makes me wonder if she was checking out locations ahead of time.

Muzikman
10-17-2008, 08:54 PM
Was anybody ever successful in transferring the complete ping records into Excel? I could really use it if so, or even a partial transfer.

TakeNote
10-17-2008, 09:21 PM
sniped: Brought over from the last thread

Courtesy of Georgia PI

The Following Ping Maps have been created.

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The Following Ping Maps have been created and can be found at the link below.

Ping Map for June 15, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 17, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 18, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 19, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 20, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 21, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 26, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 27, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for June 28, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Ping Map for July 10, 2008 - Discuss that day only


(Maps for June 22 thru June 25 are in work)


Anthony Case Sticky Threads

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233
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WOW Thank you for all the hard work eveyone has put into these maps!!
:clap::clap::clap::woohoo::clap::clap::clap::clap: :blowkiss:

justanordnryday
10-17-2008, 09:35 PM
Was anybody ever successful in transferring the complete ping records into Excel? I could really use it if so, or even a partial transfer.

The ones with the text messages and everything?

Pink Panther
10-18-2008, 03:43 AM
Good idea Lil! Interesting to see that one ping way down south - on June 9. Makes me wonder if she was checking out locations ahead of time.
I find this ping very interesting as well. I have always suspected the the real "big fight" occured on the 8th and that KC took off with Caylee the next day. They spent the night of the 9th at RM/AH. I didn't realize that we had pings for the 9th!

QuietStorm
10-18-2008, 08:32 AM
I am finding pings between the 16th and 17th of July very interesting, when it is known that KC does not have the cell phone. From midnight to 12:45 pm on the 16th, the towers near KC's parents' home ping. Then there is movement out of the normal area (which there would be with a new user carrying the phone), but I wonder if someone was sent on a mission out to Lake Cane and a wooded area close by. Does anyone know why there would be activity out there?

7/16

12:41:51 - Chickasaw Trl Rd; 28.5444 -81.2767472

12:45:58 - Lowell Blvd; 28.5542778 -81.3328611

13:04:53 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

13:06:57 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

13:40:13 to 14:11:06 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

14:36:13 to 14:38:12 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

14:42:48 - Hospitality Way; 28.4658333 -81.4602778

15:06:18 until end of records on 7/17 - Michigan Ct; 28.5475028 -81.4113194

Pink Panther
10-18-2008, 09:03 AM
I am finding pings between the 16th and 17th of July very interesting, when it is known that KC does not have the cell phone. From midnight to 12:45 pm on the 16th, the towers near KC's parents' home ping. Then there is movement out of the normal area (which there would be with a new user carrying the phone), but I wonder if someone was sent on a mission out to Lake Cane and a wooded area close by. Does anyone know why there would be activity out there?

7/16

12:41:51 - Chickasaw Trl Rd; 28.5444 -81.2767472

12:45:58 - Lowell Blvd; 28.5542778 -81.3328611

13:04:53 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

13:06:57 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

13:40:13 to 14:11:06 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

14:36:13 to 14:38:12 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

14:42:48 - Hospitality Way; 28.4658333 -81.4602778

15:06:18 until end of records on 7/17 - Michigan Ct; 28.5475028 -81.4113194
Do we know who had her phone on these dates? I thought that it was Lee???

Muzikman
10-18-2008, 09:19 AM
I am finding pings between the 16th and 17th of July very interesting, when it is known that KC does not have the cell phone. From midnight to 12:45 pm on the 16th, the towers near KC's parents' home ping. Then there is movement out of the normal area (which there would be with a new user carrying the phone), but I wonder if someone was sent on a mission out to Lake Cane and a wooded area close by. Does anyone know why there would be activity out there?

7/16

12:41:51 - Chickasaw Trl Rd; 28.5444 -81.2767472

12:45:58 - Lowell Blvd; 28.5542778 -81.3328611

13:04:53 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

13:06:57 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

13:40:13 to 14:11:06 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

14:36:13 to 14:38:12 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

14:42:48 - Hospitality Way; 28.4658333 -81.4602778

15:06:18 until end of records on 7/17 - Michigan Ct; 28.5475028 -81.4113194

Those final pings are on a tower by OCSO.

All the others look like Lee's movements around after picking up the phone (some out by Universal - wonder if his GF lived out there?). Note that they are all INCOMING, the only outgoing one is checking voicemail, probably by OCSO.

Muzikman
10-18-2008, 09:27 AM
Hmmm, this made me realize that they MUST have some docs that haven't been released with her text messages. I was thinking that she might have wiped her phone, but there are all these texts from friends after she was arrested - so there are some at least.

If shed didn't delete all of her earlier texts, THOSE would be interesting!

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 10:00 AM
Ping Map for June 24, 2008 - Posted in the other thread.....

Muzikman
10-18-2008, 10:18 AM
Ping Map for June 24, 2008 - Posted in the other thread.....

Good work Georgia.

It's looking to me like she had a habit of visiting her parents house between the time George went to work and Cindy came home from work. No surprise really, but it is interesting to see how often she did it in those time periods.

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 10:21 AM
Good work Georgia.

It's looking to me like she had a habit of visiting her parents house between the time George went to work and Cindy came home from work. No surprise really, but it is interesting to see how often she did it in those time periods.

I guess she is trying to backup her story about working and leaves the house, after everyone is gone, she then comes back.

Lovejac
10-18-2008, 10:25 AM
I am finding pings between the 16th and 17th of July very interesting, when it is known that KC does not have the cell phone. From midnight to 12:45 pm on the 16th, the towers near KC's parents' home ping. Then there is movement out of the normal area (which there would be with a new user carrying the phone), but I wonder if someone was sent on a mission out to Lake Cane and a wooded area close by. Does anyone know why there would be activity out there?

7/16

12:41:51 - Chickasaw Trl Rd; 28.5444 -81.2767472

12:45:58 - Lowell Blvd; 28.5542778 -81.3328611

13:04:53 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

13:06:57 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

13:40:13 to 14:11:06 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

14:36:13 to 14:38:12 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

14:42:48 - Hospitality Way; 28.4658333 -81.4602778

15:06:18 until end of records on 7/17 - Michigan Ct; 28.5475028 -81.4113194

:eek::eek: Isn't this when LEE had casey's phone?:eek::eek:

realist
10-18-2008, 10:28 AM
I am finding pings between the 16th and 17th of July very interesting, when it is known that KC does not have the cell phone. From midnight to 12:45 pm on the 16th, the towers near KC's parents' home ping. Then there is movement out of the normal area (which there would be with a new user carrying the phone), but I wonder if someone was sent on a mission out to Lake Cane and a wooded area close by. Does anyone know why there would be activity out there?

7/16

12:41:51 - Chickasaw Trl Rd; 28.5444 -81.2767472

12:45:58 - Lowell Blvd; 28.5542778 -81.3328611

13:04:53 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

13:06:57 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

13:40:13 to 14:11:06 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

14:36:13 to 14:38:12 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

14:42:48 - Hospitality Way; 28.4658333 -81.4602778

15:06:18 until end of records on 7/17 - Michigan Ct; 28.5475028 -81.4113194


This was when she took LE on a wild goose chase. Pings show her out at Universal where she was ultimately arrested.

Lovejac
10-18-2008, 10:35 AM
This was when she took LE on a wild goose chase. Pings show her out at Universal where she was ultimately arrested.


:clap::clap::clap::clap: GREAT catch! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

I WOULD like to know about when LEE picked up her phone from Tony's.

IIRC, he was gone a pretty long time before he came home.:waitasec:

I think I will go look.

realist
10-18-2008, 10:40 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap: GREAT catch! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

I WOULD like to know about when LEE picked up her phone from Tony's.

IIRC, he was gone a pretty long time before he came home.:waitasec:

I think I will go look.

Supposedly he left around midnight, but did not get back until 2am. Should have only taken him an hour at most.

QuietStorm
10-18-2008, 10:44 AM
Good Catch ...................
OK, I was thinking Universal was closer to KC than this.

QuietStorm
10-18-2008, 10:45 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap: GREAT catch! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

I WOULD like to know about when LEE picked up her phone from Tony's.

IIRC, he was gone a pretty long time before he came home.:waitasec:

I think I will go look.
Now that I've read these posts, my memory is jogged. Didn't LE have the phone before LA got to TL's?

Lovejac
10-18-2008, 10:47 AM
Supposedly he left around midnight, but did not get back until 2am. Should have only taken him an hour at most.

Thank you realist. I was looking for this and couldn't find the time frame!

I am going to visit the ping threads for July 15 thru early morning 16

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Was anybody ever successful in transferring the complete ping records into Excel? I could really use it if so, or even a partial transfer.

Working w/ TexasLil and doing data quality checks now.

If someone can email me the 7/2-7/7 pdf I can finish. I'm @ bondjamesbond@ec rr com (just add "." before & after the "rr").

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 10:57 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap: GREAT catch! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

I WOULD like to know about when LEE picked up her phone from Tony's.

IIRC, he was gone a pretty long time before he came home.:waitasec:

I think I will go look.

All: LA didn't pick up the phone. LE did. The pings show LE taking Casey on the most logical route from Hopespring Dr. over to Sawgrass, etc. (via Lee Vista). This is why it hits the tower SW of Anthony home.

FWIW, it still is a good validation of needing to be in that area to ping this tower.

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 11:03 AM
I will also post on the Myspace, etc. thread. If anyone has a clean Excel ss of Casey's myspace & facebook entries with their associated date/timestamps and to/from info I could use those too (already have rough versions, but, would save me bunch-o-work if someone already has these handy.) TIA!

...all of the above to be incorporated in a detailed activity/inacivity vs. text/fb/ms message content vs. date/time vs. ping loc...analysis

Muzikman
10-18-2008, 11:12 AM
Working w/ TexasLil and doing data quality checks now.

If someone can email me the 7/2-7/7 pdf I can finish. I'm @ bondjamesbond@ec rr com (just add "." before & after the "rr").

Just sent -

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 11:30 AM
Just sent -

Thanks, MM. Hmmmm....I'm not seeing yet, but, don't wanna litter up the thread. I'll keep checking and may hafta PM you if it doesn't come through in a bit. Thanks again!

Whyamisointerested
10-18-2008, 11:44 AM
All: LA didn't pick up the phone. LE did. The pings show LE taking Casey on the most logical route from Hopespring Dr. over to Sawgrass, etc. (via Lee Vista). This is why it hits the tower SW of Anthony home.

FWIW, it still is a good validation of needing to be in that area to ping this tower.

I thought that LA went to Tony's and picked up her stuff computer etc..the phone had to be there because Tony said that he had called AH from it to see what was going on.So I think that LA had the phone and computer etc before handing them over to LE. I guess he only would have had the phone from 12-2 while he was gone.

Coley
10-18-2008, 11:51 AM
To everyone who is working SOOOOO hard on these pings.....
THANK YOU!!!!

It is much appreciated. :clap:

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 12:17 PM
I thought that LA went to Tony's and picked up her stuff computer etc..the phone had to be there because Tony said that he had called AH from it to see what was going on.So I think that LA had the phone and computer etc before handing them over to LE. I guess he only would have had the phone from 12-2 while he was gone.

...it's confusing :) but the details are in LA's statement and you have to watch carefully, or you'll miss it.

LE went to Tony's and picked up Casey's phone only (as far as we know) around 10-11PM and brought it back to Hopespring Dr.. The last call from Tony's apt ping location was 10:07PM from Casey's phone to Amy (Tony using, IIRC) LE and Casey were using Casey's phone @ Hopespring Dr to place calls/texts to her contacts. The phone is pinging on the tower S of Hopespring Dr. beginning @ 11:55PM thru until just after 7AM on 7/16.

LA did go to Tony's and picked up her stuff ~Midnight-2AM, but, LE had already retrieved the phone.

Hope that helps!

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 12:20 PM
...it's confusing :) but the details are in LA's statement and you have to watch carefully, or you'll miss it.

LE went to Tony's and picked up Casey's phone only (as far as we know) around 10-11PM and brought it back to Hopespring Dr.. The last call from Tony's apt ping location was 10:07PM from Casey's phone to Amy (Tony using, IIRC) LE and Casey were using Casey's phone @ Hopespring Dr to place calls/texts to her contacts. The phone is pinging on the tower S of Hopespring Dr. beginning @ 11:55PM thru until just after 7AM on 7/16.

LA did go to Tony's and picked up her stuff ~Midnight-2AM, but, LE had already retrieved the phone.

Hope that helps!


Lee A. Interview on July

According to Lee he left the parents house at 12:00 midnight on July 15, 2008 to retrieve Casey’s items from Tony’s apartment in Sutton Place, he arrived and collected a large leopard print duffel bag (with cloths & other item’s inside) a white back pack with a print pattern or symbol on it (with cloths inside) a large purse (with female toiletries in it) and a slender black bag with papers in it (that he thought Casey carried Cindy’s laptop around in) and Cindy’s laptop computer. Lee stated that everything was well organized (unlike Casey) and he believed that someone else packed the bags, because knowing Casey, that’s not the way she packs, she’s not an organized person.

Lee stated that he saw Amy H’s check book on Tony’s dresser, Tony told Lee that Amy was coming over in the morning (16th) to pick it up. Lee believed that Amy called Tony and told him what happened and Tony removed the check book from Casey’s bag.

Lee stated that he arrived back at the parents house about 2:25am on the 16th (where was he and what was he doing for about two hours), Tony don’t live that far away from Lee’s parents house. Lee said that when he arrived he took all the items into the parent’s house and that one of the female officers that first responded was still there (he was ask what color the officers uniform was, he stated he did not know because he was color blind and that it was the female officer that he had went to school with).

Lee stated that he originally offered to go get the cell phone, but the officers pick it up around 11:00pm and started to call all the contacts(that would have been on the 15th and Lee was not at Tony’s, again where was he, still at the A's?)

Cindy told the female officer that she wanted to go through the stuff and the female officer told her to dump in out as if she was giving permission for her to do so. Cindy then dumped the items of the purse out and the only officer in the house left and went out side.(what are you kidding me, no officer watching) Cindy found approximately between $140 and $200 unfolded $20.00 bills in Casey’s wallet and put them in her pocket also a JC Penny and another unidentified credit card(where are the cops), , at this point the female officer returned as Cindy has the wallet open and tells the female officer look this is the JC Penny card that she took from me, look this is another card that she took from me, but as Cindy went to take out Casey’s identification from the clear sleeve, the female officer immediately grabbed something that was directly behind that ID and according to Lee the item that the female officer took looked white like the old style drivers license or learners permit or something like that, but it struck him and he noticed it because of how quickly the female officer grabbed it, but Lee was unsure what it was possibly another ID.

Lee was questioned about a single key being in there the belonged to Amy, Lee stated that Amy reached out to him the next day stating that her key was probably on Casey’s key ring or something, Lee told Amy that he was one step ahead of her and that he already had it and to consider it taken care of.

Lee was then questioned about Casey taken money from Cindy, Checks that have been taken from Lee, and checks that had been taken from a friend named Ryan that lived it Jacksonville (on of Casey’s best friends which see meet through Lee in school) , then Lee was questioned about a sheet of paper that he provided to the police that had 22 receipts cronilogicly listed by date of some form of transactions that Casey made(which Lee stated later was done at Casey’s attorney’s office and not when they were first discovered in the bag), and that there could be more, but that was what he cataloged at the attorney’s office on July 28th (again were are the police when these were discovered).

Lee stated that it seemed odd that if she was saving these receipts and he had receipts from the June 28th to July 15th and if there was another JC Penny transaction on the June 27th why was that not in there, did it get lost, was it never saved and that if your saving receipts why not save them all. Lee also stated that he provided them to the attorney around June 21st after trying to offer them to the Orange County Detectives on the morning and afternoon of July 16th and again on the 17th ( What, the detectives did not want them)

Lee provided three names of guy’s as he called it, guys really in play and named Ricardo M., Jesse G. and Anthony L. (Tony)


A few things that amazed me is where were the police when Cindy was going through Casey’s bags after Lee brought them home and why did the detectives not want the receipts that Lee had. Are they trying to show incompetence on the part of the police and detectives?

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 12:24 PM
I just noticed "a white back pack with a print pattern or symbol on it", wasn't that the one for Caylee ?????????????

Whyamisointerested
10-18-2008, 12:38 PM
...it's confusing :) but the details are in LA's statement and you have to watch carefully, or you'll miss it.

LE went to Tony's and picked up Casey's phone only (as far as we know) around 10-11PM and brought it back to Hopespring Dr.. The last call from Tony's apt ping location was 10:07PM from Casey's phone to Amy (Tony using, IIRC) LE and Casey were using Casey's phone @ Hopespring Dr to place calls/texts to her contacts. The phone is pinging on the tower S of Hopespring Dr. beginning @ 11:55PM thru until just after 7AM on 7/16.

LA did go to Tony's and picked up her stuff ~Midnight-2AM, but, LE had already retrieved the phone.

Hope that helps!

Ok got it. Weird that LE would go to the apt. and get the cell phone only and not the computer and all her neatly organized stuff sitting there.So I guess LA never did have that phone(that we know of ) that night or any night after.

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 12:56 PM
Ok got it. Weird that LE would go to the apt. and get the cell phone only and not the computer and all her neatly organized stuff sitting there.So I guess LA never did have that phone(that we know of ) that night or any night after.

...yeh...

a family member retrieving evidence unescorted
only the phone retrieved from Tony's ..no laptop, etc.
family left to rummage through retrieved evidence unmonitored
Pontiac left in control of family for almost 2 days (IIRC)

...still...LE was dealing with a missing persons case...I don't wanna bash'em...they're really workin' their arses off, and I appreciate all they're doing. :clap:

OK...back to pings, and, longs, and lats....OH MY! :biggrin:

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 01:46 PM
the following ping maps have been created and can be found at the link below.

Ping map for june 15, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 16, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 17, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 18, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 19, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 20, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 21, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 22, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 23, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 24, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 25, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 26, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 27, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 28, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 29, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for june 30, 2008 - discuss that day only

ping map for july 10, 2008 - discuss that day only




anthony case sticky threads

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233

bump, bump, bump...............

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 01:53 PM
Testing how well PB quality works...

TBE = Time Between Events
Threshold = 4 hrs (can vary) shows periods of inactivity >4hrs for example
Results table incl. date&time and starting & ending ping location

Still quality testing data (thanks Muzikman!) and need to finish some review w/ TexasLil (all built on her hard work), but, here's an excerpt from a table...abbreviated for test...

http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq95/BondJamesBondWS/CellPingTBE/TBEThresholdExampleExerpt4hrs1.jpg

...again...excerpt only and just finishing data quality testing this PM. Objective is to have a tool that can provide insight into windows of opportunity for disposal. Also enables a means to analyze sleep patterns.

The full cell/ping spreadsheet is set-up to filter fields such as "Call To" and "Call From", etc. to allow viewing "conversation" (text & call...fb/ms later) patterns between individuals (e.g. Casey and Cindy/Anthony home is interesting).

TexasLil
10-18-2008, 02:21 PM
I find this ping very interesting as well. I have always suspected the the real "big fight" occured on the 8th and that KC took off with Caylee the next day. They spent the night of the 9th at RM/AH. I didn't realize that we had pings for the 9th!

Apparently so. I found one more phone log that I was missing dated 6/1 through 6/11 I believe on docstoc. I tried to download and my internet explorer crashed. Does any one have a better download link for this particular cell log? I think it might be good if we add prior to June 15th into our analysis.

Since LE confirmed the nursing home visit on the 15th we've all just been concentrating on days after that. Hopefully we can get the other pings.

TexasLil
10-18-2008, 02:25 PM
Working w/ TexasLil and doing data quality checks now.

If someone can email me the 7/2-7/7 pdf I can finish. I'm @ bondjamesbond@ec rr com (just add "." before & after the "rr").

Bond,

I just emailed you the link to download this pdf.

Lil

ElizaAvalon
10-18-2008, 02:52 PM
Testing how well PB quality works...

TBE = Time Between Events
Threshold = 4 hrs (can vary) shows periods of inactivity >4hrs for example
Results table incl. date&time and starting & ending ping location

Still quality testing data (thanks Muzikman!) and need to finish some review w/ TexasLil (all built on her hard work), but, here's an excerpt from a table...abbreviated for test...

http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq95/BondJamesBondWS/CellPingTBE/TBEThresholdExampleExerpt4hrs1.jpg

...again...excerpt only and just finishing data quality testing this PM. Objective is to have a tool that can provide insight into windows of opportunity for disposal. Also enables a means to analyze sleep patterns.

The full cell/ping spreadsheet is set-up to filter fields such as "Call To" and "Call From", etc. to allow viewing "conversation" (text & call...fb/ms later) patterns between individuals (e.g. Casey and Cindy/Anthony home is interesting).

This will be an excellent tool for analysis! Good work!

One thing I think to take into consideration is that incoming texts do not necessarily mean that Casey is with her phone. Incoming calls with cell tower pings (those without go to voicemail, IMO), outgoing texts and outgoing voice calls all mean she is physically using the phone. Incoming texts can come in with her not being physically present.

TexasLil
10-18-2008, 03:19 PM
This will be an excellent tool for analysis! Good work!

One thing I think to take into consideration is that incoming texts do not necessarily mean that Casey is with her phone. Incoming calls with cell tower pings (those without go to voicemail, IMO), outgoing texts and outgoing voice calls all mean she is physically using the phone. Incoming texts can come in with her not being physically present.

Very good point Eliza!

Lovejac
10-18-2008, 04:00 PM
...yeh...

a family member retrieving evidence unescorted
only the phone retrieved from Tony's ..no laptop, etc.
family left to rummage through retrieved evidence unmonitored
Pontiac left in control of family for almost 2 days (IIRC)

...still...LE was dealing with a missing persons case...I don't wanna bash'em...they're really workin' their arses off, and I appreciate all they're doing. :clap:

OK...back to pings, and, longs, and lats....OH MY! :biggrin:

but didn't they (LE) get a signed statement from Cindy saying they could search her laptop? Maybe if they had taken it that night, it and what it contained could be thrown out in court? Also, did LE even know that was her laptop? Just thinking out loud here!:crazy:

Lovejac
10-18-2008, 04:02 PM
This will be an excellent tool for analysis! Good work!

One thing I think to take into consideration is that incoming texts do not necessarily mean that Casey is with her phone. Incoming calls with cell tower pings (those without go to voicemail, IMO), outgoing texts and outgoing voice calls all mean she is physically using the phone. Incoming texts can come in with her not being physically present.

The one thing I learned from the cell phone ping experts was that your cell phone will continually ping whether you are using it or not and even if it is turned off. The ONLY way to insure NO PINGS is to disconnect the battery from the phone. That info was pretty shocking to me.:eek:

Muzikman
10-18-2008, 04:02 PM
Apparently so. I found one more phone log that I was missing dated 6/1 through 6/11 I believe on docstoc. I tried to download and my internet explorer crashed. Does any one have a better download link for this particular cell log? I think it might be good if we add prior to June 15th into our analysis.

Since LE confirmed the nursing home visit on the 15th we've all just been concentrating on days after that. Hopefully we can get the other pings.

Uploading the PDF's now, I'll email you a link when done - actually 2 links, 6/1 - 6/11 is 50 pages!

I think it would be a great idea to have her previous history to show her patterns.

Pink Panther
10-18-2008, 04:13 PM
Uploading the PDF's now, I'll email you a link when done - actually 2 links, 6/1 - 6/11 is 50 pages!

I think it would be a great idea to have her previous history to show her patterns.
Ooooh. I'm excited and can't wait to see these!

(I just want you guys to know that I could never tell anyone else that ping information from June 1rst -11th is exciting. They just wouldn't understand.):crazy:

ElizaAvalon
10-18-2008, 04:18 PM
The one thing I learned from the cell phone ping experts was that your cell phone will continually ping whether you are using it or not and even if it is turned off. The ONLY way to insure NO PINGS is to disconnect the battery from the phone. That info was pretty shocking to me.:eek:

Right.

My point being that you can't track Casey's physical location by the ping locations of incoming texts because she might not necessarily be with the phone at that very moment.

Outgoing texts, outcoming phone calls? Yes. She physically has to be with the phone to make those calls. Incoming phone calls that don't go to voicemail, too.

TakeNote
10-18-2008, 04:49 PM
I just noticed "a white back pack with a print pattern or symbol on it", wasn't that the one for Caylee ?????????????

That is the same thought I had when I read it :)

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 05:15 PM
Ping Map for June 30, 2008 is posted on the other thread..........

Pink Panther
10-18-2008, 06:45 PM
Do we know the dates and times that the phone was NOT pinging or when it is believed to have been turned off? Comments come up occasionally about this but I haven't been able to attach them to specific dates/times!???

TexasLil
10-18-2008, 07:14 PM
Uploading the PDF's now, I'll email you a link when done - actually 2 links, 6/1 - 6/11 is 50 pages!

I think it would be a great idea to have her previous history to show her patterns.

I may need some help to convert these. I signed up for a 7 day free trial on an OCR conversion and, unfortunately, it's expired. I think Bionic had a converter as well as he/she did a few days of the original conversion..

Does anyone else have a pdf to Excel or text conversion tool?

Lil

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 10:38 PM
Ping Map for June 30, 2008 is posted on the other thread..........

Georgia PI - YOU are a MACHINE! :clap: :bowdown:

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 10:45 PM
Do we know the dates and times that the phone was NOT pinging or when it is believed to have been turned off? Comments come up occasionally about this but I haven't been able to attach them to specific dates/times!???

All we have is activity-associated ping information. The idea behind the TBE analysis is to put a stake in the ground for periods where there was no activity-associated ping info at all...and per ElizaA's observation - with which I'm in violent agreement :) - for some activities (e.g. incoming texts that went unanswered, incoming calls that went to vmail) this isn't a perfect analysis - just a rough one. On the bright side...Casey was a voracious cell user, so she left one helluva trail.

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 11:03 PM
I will also post on the Myspace, etc. thread. If anyone has a clean Excel ss of Casey's myspace & facebook entries with their associated date/timestamps and to/from info I could use those too (already have rough versions, but, would save me bunch-o-work if someone already has these handy.) TIA!

...all of the above to be incorporated in a detailed activity/inacivity vs. text/fb/ms message content vs. date/time vs. ping loc...analysis

bumping...no responses on this yet. The date & timestamps of Casey-originated ms & fb messages will also help narrow down on the time she would've been available to focus on disposal. IF anyone has these in Excel I'd be most interested in getting them. I have some of the fb's, but, not ms.

TIA!

BondJamesBond
10-18-2008, 11:09 PM
I have the text between KC & AH in word.

Thanks, Georgia PI. I had these handy too, so they're already built into the cellping ss. Thanks though.

Georgia PI
10-18-2008, 11:13 PM
Thanks, Georgia PI. I had these handy too, so they're already built into the cellping ss. Thanks though.

Have you checked the Calendar to see if anyone has posted some of them their.

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 02:21 AM
OK...cross-eyed now...

Spreadsheet back to TexasLil for review. Don't wanna unleash this beast without looking for obvious errors first. Also know we have to correct some long/lat errors from the OCR conversion.

The input on the outgoing-only analysis couldn't have been timed better, ElizaAvalon :applause:. Spreadsheet now has one tab for all call/texts and one tab for outgoing-only call/texts. Both are set-up for easy filtering and a variable 'threshold' field to allow changing (e.g. greater than 1hr inactivity, or, greater than 4hr inactivity, etc.)

Soooo...after correcting the OCR errors on long/lats we'll figure out the best way to upload & share.

shadow of my mind
10-19-2008, 02:33 AM
I was playing around with the spread sheet and was goi8ng to break out the times that left 10 min. or more.... then I saw the post about the incoming and was like shoot.... that won't help. I can still do it day by day to see when there 'could' be a possible time for a body to have been dumped but I am not sure what good it will do. It really opens up a lot of windows of time that may not really be true.

Just as a side. I had my son do a little experiment for me. Healthy, ex-military just a few years older than Casey. 10 min. to dig a shallow grave for a 3' x 1-1/2' deep grave and fill it back in. That was in good old regualr dirt.

That did not count carring a body. I didn't have a 3 year old handy to give him. LOL

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 02:42 AM
I was playing around with the spread sheet and was goi8ng to break out the times that left 10 min. or more.... then I saw the post about the incoming and was like shoot.... that won't help. I can still do it day by day to see when there 'could' be a possible time for a body to have been dumped but I am not sure what good it will do. It really opens up a lot of windows of time that may not really be true.

Just as a side. I had my son do a little experiment for me. Healthy, ex-military just a few years older than Casey. 10 min. to dig a shallow grave for a 3' x 1-1/2' deep grave and fill it back in. That was in good old regualr dirt.

That did not count carring a body. I didn't have a 3 year old handy to give him. LOL

Hey - Shadow...just a quick post & I'm gone.

1) If you can stand to wait a day, don't sweat the spreadsheet stuff. After TexasLil & I finish long/lat OCR conversion errors you'll be able to filter & play to your heart's content.

2) O/T, but, I posted a new thread a few weeks ago, in signficant detail, about digging a grave recently for a family pet.....just happened to be 'bout what Casey would've needed to do. It was merged w/ "Rants" thread. Details here... http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2780930&postcount=445

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 10:27 AM
I was playing around with the spread sheet and was goi8ng to break out the times that left 10 min. or more.... then I saw the post about the incoming and was like shoot.... that won't help. I can still do it day by day to see when there 'could' be a possible time for a body to have been dumped but I am not sure what good it will do. It really opens up a lot of windows of time that may not really be true.

Just as a side. I had my son do a little experiment for me. Healthy, ex-military just a few years older than Casey. 10 min. to dig a shallow grave for a 3' x 1-1/2' deep grave and fill it back in. That was in good old regualr dirt.

That did not count carring a body. I didn't have a 3 year old handy to give him. LOL

Thanks for the dig info Shadow, good for comparison purposes.

Eliza is correct about the incoming, but if those pings are showing up on different towers we can pretty much assume she had the phone with her and was traveling. It's not a hard-n-fast rule.
If there is a bunch of them coming in, on say 1-2 towers, with no outgoing for a period of time, then I would agree.

david918
10-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Ive spent the morning listening to the recorded conversations between LA and KC. KC says she had a new blackjack phone for 1 1/2 weeks while Caylee was missing. She says she always used her sim card but moved in back and forth between her xxx-9286 number. KC also said she was receiving calls from ZF-G but were from a 954, 407 or lately a 'private number'. Here is how you would see that on the phone records.
1. If KC was using two different phones on the xxx-9286 number then the IMEI would be different for each physical phone. The IMSI will always stay the same because the IMSI is the SIM card. Look at the records and you only will find 1 IMEI number indicating the phone she most likely used all the time. What I do find interesting is there are many 'blank' IMEI entries which could indicate another phone was used but the IMEI number was deleted in the records released.

2. If you get a call from a person who has block their ID to show a 'private call' then your records will show that your number ie: xxx-9286 is the calling number and the called number - it looks like you called yourself. Looking at the records I see several instances where this is happening and this could actually be a 'private caller' notice also that this only would apply to 'Terminating' calls because you wouldnt call yourself and block it. If you see the same number calling and called to on an originating call it could indicate calling to check your voicemail.
Also notice that it wont show up with SMS or text messages because you arent able block your identity when you text someone.

3. In the recorded interviews KC tells LA that the last time she spoke with Caylee was around 12 noon on the day that CA called the authorities. Looking at the records for 7-15 and focusing in on terminating 'private' calls it doesnt appear like that happens. KC does get a call at 11:35am from xxx-4419 that lasts 23 minutes. My latest list of numbers doesnt include that one?

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 11:11 AM
3. In the recorded interviews KC tells LA that the last time she spoke with Caylee was around 12 noon on the day that CA called the authorities. Looking at the records for 7-15 and focusing in on terminating 'private' calls it doesnt appear like that happens. KC does get a call at 11:35am from xxx-4419 that lasts 23 minutes. My latest list of numbers doesnt include that one?

It's in her phone book list, Jamie L.

Nice analysis, we've got somebody working on finding out why those blank spots are in her records. No latitude/longitude either.

david918
10-19-2008, 11:26 AM
Okay so on those entries where IMEI is missing it very well could be the erased listings for the second phone. If you also look at the E.164 address for those entries where IMEI is missing you will also see a different E.164 address. E.164 is a method of addressing used in the IP world for routing calls. It is a psuedo address that identifies a particular number to an IP location or IP device like a computer or wireless IP phone ie: if KC was using a smart phone like a Black Jack in 3G mode which is essentially an IP based device then you would expect that the E.164 address would be different because of its Data or internet capabilities. IMO -- the entries that have the IMEI missing are the ones made with a different phone. Also worth noting is if the missing IMEI indicates a swap to the other phone it looks like the very first call is always an originating call from KC. Need to look at who that first call is made to if indeed switching to a different phone

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 11:32 AM
Okay so on those entries where IMEI is missing it very well could be the erased listings for the second phone. If you also look at the E.164 address for those entries where IMEI is missing you will also see a different E.164 address. E.164 is a method of addressing used in the IP world for routing calls. It is a psuedo address that identifies a particular number to an IP location or IP device like a computer or wireless IP phone ie: if KC was using a smart phone like a Black Jack in 3G mode which is essentially an IP based device then you would expect that the E.164 address would be different because of its Data or internet capabilities. IMO -- the entries that have the IMEI missing are the ones made with a different phone.

Or could they be MMS messages that she sent?

I could see her doing that frequently, but switching out the SIM card every few minutes or seconds? - some of the blank spots are only seconds away from other calls with her normal E.164 number.

david918
10-19-2008, 11:39 AM
Or could they be MMS messages that she sent?

I could see her doing that frequently, but switching out the SIM card every few minutes or seconds? - some of the blank spots are only seconds away from other calls with her normal E.164 number.

Just focus on the IMEI and E.164 rows where the IMEI is missing and the E.164 ends in 94xx. You should also notice that every first call after that is to 407-xxx-7686.

Yes there were a few calls where IMEI was missing but I think that is just a fluke in the data. The real key is watching the E.164 number change when IMEI is missing. In those cases there was a few minutes between the last call to make the Sim card switch.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 11:47 AM
Just focus on the IMEI and E.164 rows where the IMEI is missing and the E.164 ends in 94xx. You should also notice that every first call after that is to 407-xxx-7686.

Yes there were a few calls where IMEI was missing but I think that is just a fluke in the data. The real key is watching the E.164 number change when IMEI is missing. In those cases there was a few minutes between the last call to make the Sim card switch.

Look at June 30, 22:59. There is only 20 seconds between that one and an incoming text, and less than a minute to an outgoing text to Amy. That's not enough time to switch SIM cards - and don't you have to power the phone on/off to do it also?

The more I look at this, the more I think those are MMS's she is sending.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 11:50 AM
Hmmm, just noticed that the 7686 number is an AT&T voicemail number.

liltigress
10-19-2008, 11:52 AM
David, you have great knowledge in this, seems like.

Would it be logical to think if there was a blackjack under a different account, that AT&T would be able to cross reference that IMEI number and find out what other account and number it is associated with, if there is one?

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 12:01 PM
Hmmm, just noticed that the 7686 number is an AT&T voicemail number.

And the 623 number associated with this - made at the exact same time - is to Mark H's number.

At least for this call, it looks to me like she is sending him a MMS.

david918
10-19-2008, 12:03 PM
David, you have great knowledge in this, seems like.

Would it be logical to think if there was a blackjack under a different account, that AT&T would be able to cross reference that IMEI number and find out what other account and number it is associated with, if there is one?

The short answer is Yes -- but also you could purchase a phone from ATT and pay the full price without associating any number to it. Sometimes a person would do this to get phones with different features. I cant see why KC would want to switch phones ... it would seem more likely to switch SIM cards so you can have 2 different numbers and one phone. The only other reason I can think of is the Black Jack would have better texting and email capabilities -- but it doesnt appear like texting is the reason as there are plenty of text msgs from the primary phone.

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:08 PM
The short answer is Yes -- but also you could purchase a phone from ATT and pay the full price without associating any number to it. Sometimes a person would do this to get phones with different features. I cant see why KC would want to switch phones ... it would seem more likely to switch SIM cards so you can have 2 different numbers and one phone. The only other reason I can think of is the Black Jack would have better texting and email capabilities -- but it doesnt appear like texting is the reason as there are plenty of text msgs from the primary phone.

Didn't RG say on the NG show that he gave her the blackjack? Or was I dreaming that? LOL

Pink Panther
10-19-2008, 12:09 PM
Didn't RG say on the NG show that he gave her the blackjack? Or was I dreaming that? LOL

He said he gave her the phone that she was using. Not the blackjack. He has re-iterated this now in writing on his myspace blog.

ETA - He says that there never was a blackjack.

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:11 PM
OK...cross-eyed now...

Spreadsheet back to TexasLil for review. Don't wanna unleash this beast without looking for obvious errors first. Also know we have to correct some long/lat errors from the OCR conversion.

The input on the outgoing-only analysis couldn't have been timed better, ElizaAvalon :applause:. Spreadsheet now has one tab for all call/texts and one tab for outgoing-only call/texts. Both are set-up for easy filtering and a variable 'threshold' field to allow changing (e.g. greater than 1hr inactivity, or, greater than 4hr inactivity, etc.)

Soooo...after correcting the OCR errors on long/lats we'll figure out the best way to upload & share.

I am having issues opening the file. Muzik, if I email to you the latest version can you tell me if you can open? Bond isn't online yet so I'm at a loss and would like to finish cleaning up the ping data and location description.

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:12 PM
He said he gave her the phone that she was using. Not the blackjack. He has re-iterated this now in writing on his myspace blog.

ETA - He says that there never was a blackjack.

Thanks for clearing that up Pink Panther.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 12:13 PM
I am having issues opening the file. Muzik, if I email to you the latest version can you tell me if you can open? Bond isn't online yet so I'm at a loss and would like to finish cleaning up the ping data and location description.

Sure, go for it -

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Sure, go for it -

Just sent. Please see if you can open.

BTW love the new avatar.

liltigress
10-19-2008, 12:18 PM
The short answer is Yes -- but also you could purchase a phone from ATT and pay the full price without associating any number to it. Sometimes a person would do this to get phones with different features. I cant see why KC would want to switch phones ... it would seem more likely to switch SIM cards so you can have 2 different numbers and one phone. The only other reason I can think of is the Black Jack would have better texting and email capabilities -- but it doesnt appear like texting is the reason as there are plenty of text msgs from the primary phone.

Thank you. I'm a hardcore blackjack believer.. lol. I keep thinking she had a different account with that phone and different number. Something more sinister associated with her job.

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:24 PM
If ur ok I'll go ahead and send as beta to Muzikman in case your troubles continue...

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:27 PM
Just sent. Please see if you can open.

BTW love the new avatar.

'jus sent you a "flurry" of emails TexasLil :)

I will have to jump offline any second...so I went ahead and fwd'd rev 7 as "beta" to MM. It's a 7MB file now.

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:28 PM
BTW love the new avatar.
*snipped*

:) "Welcome to [Our] Nightmare" eh? :) Love it!

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:31 PM
If ur ok I'll go ahead and send as beta to Muzikman in case your troubles continue...

OK I have rev 7 open. Proceed with sending the beta.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 12:32 PM
Just sent. Please see if you can open.

BTW love the new avatar.

Heh. Figured it was about time I added an avatar. One of my idols, and fitting for October. :)


Looking at these odd calls a little more, I found some that don't quite fit with my theory that they are all MMS's. There are 4 of them within a few minutes on July 1 to the Anthony home phone - 1:43 AM (57 second call), 1:51 AM (12 seconds), 1:52 AM (15 seconds), 2:02 AM (10 seconds).

She couldn't be sending MMS's to their home phone, right? (or could be but they wouldn't work right?) What would she be doing calling the house several times at that time of the night?

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:33 PM
OK I have rev 7 open. Proceed with sending the beta.

...I'll have to drop off anysec...interested in initial thoughts...

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Heh. Figured it was about time I added an avatar. One of my idols, and fitting for October. :)


Looking at these odd calls a little more, I found some that don't quite fit with my theory that they are all MMS's. There are 4 of them within a few minutes on July 1 to the Anthony home phone - 1:43 AM (57 second call), 1:51 AM (12 seconds), 1:52 AM (15 seconds), 2:02 AM (10 seconds).

She couldn't be sending MMS's to their home phone, right? (or could be but they wouldn't work right?) What would she be doing calling the house several times at that time of the night?

You looking @ rev 7 MM?

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:35 PM
...I'll have to drop off anysec...interested in initial thoughts...

Did you send to MM and PI?

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 12:36 PM
*snipped*

:) "Welcome to [Our] Nightmare" eh? :) Love it!

Hahaha, how true. Actually I think it's from the "From the Inside" album, where AC goes into the Insane Asylum to dry out. :crazy::behindbar

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:40 PM
Did you send to MM and PI?

Only had time to get it to MM. Would you do the honors please?..also to Shadow, pls. Thanks!

TexasLil
10-19-2008, 12:43 PM
Only had time to get it to MM. Would you do the honors please?..also to Shadow, pls. Thanks!

Can Shadow and Georgia PI send me your email address pls? We want you to beta test the spreadsheet and help identify any further corrections before we go with a global share.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 12:43 PM
Only had time to get it to MM. Would you do the honors please?..also to Shadow, pls. Thanks!

The one you sent me was Rev 4 -

donnam
10-19-2008, 12:44 PM
Hahaha, how true. Actually I think it's from the "From the Inside" album, where AC goes into the Insane Asylum to dry out. :crazy::behindbar

"From the Inside Looking Out"
One of my favorite albums ever!

My fav song is Millie and Billy LOL

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:45 PM
BTW...when you get around to it...on the TBA, if you filter to 4hrs you'll see I stuck some comments in a column to the right just cipherin' on where Casey slept each night. This highlighted to me that she either slept in the Pontiac more than I orig. thought, or Tower 45 (near Amscot) is actually carrying cell traffic from Tony's apt or nearby it...????

BondJamesBond
10-19-2008, 12:46 PM
The one you sent me was Rev 4 -

My email may be dragging due to sending several 7MB'ers. Gotta run though. I sent it to you prolly 15mins ago. Really gotta run. Later!

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 12:55 PM
BTW...when you get around to it...on the TBA, if you filter to 4hrs you'll see I stuck some comments in a column to the right just cipherin' on where Casey slept each night. This highlighted to me that she either slept in the Pontiac more than I orig. thought, or Tower 45 (near Amscot) is actually carrying cell traffic from Tony's apt or nearby it...????

What a great idea Bond! You Rock!


Donna, the tour for that album (1977 or 78 IIRC) was the first rock concert that I paid for when I was a kid... whatta show!

donnam
10-19-2008, 01:00 PM
What a great idea Bond! You Rock!


Donna, the tour for that album (1977 or 78 IIRC) was the first rock concert that I paid for when I was a kid... whatta show!
Never got to see him live, wish I had!!

I can't wait to see this spreadsheet you all are working on!

shadow of my mind
10-19-2008, 06:09 PM
To try to give substance to any thing found using phone records or cell pings of Casey’s phone records I thought that having words to go with actions might be helpful. [Bracketed] information is what I have added and was not in the interview

Brian Burner Interview with LE on July 30, 2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 10-16 Brian B. was away on vacation with his family in Chicago arriving back home about 6:00PM.
Page 1385 Lines 23-25 & Page 1386 Lines 1-2, 11-12
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 17-21 Brian B. was vacationing at home.
Page 1386 Lines 4-5 Brian B. Interview with LE on 7/30/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 17 Brian B. saw Casey backed her car in the garage
Page 1387 Lines 1-4,11 Brian B. Interview with LE on 7/30/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 18 OR 19 Casey borrowed the shovel about 1:30PM from Brian B. when he was doing yard work; to dig up a bamboo root. Casey went back to the house and went into the garage, her car was backed in and the garage door was open.
Casey retuned the shovel to Brian B. about 2:30PM. She had not changed clothing. The shovel was not dirty and looked no different than when he gave it to her.
Page 1388 Lines 5-7 12-25 & Page 1389 Lines 8-11,16 & Page 1390 Lines 1-10 Brian B. Interview with LE on 7/30/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 20 Casey’s car was backed into the garage, Brian B. did not see Casey or Caylee only the car it was late afternoon and that was the third time that week he saw her car backed in.
Page 1391 Lines 2-7 & Page 1401 Lines 10-11, 23 Brian B. Interview with LE on 7/30/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 23 Brian B. heard Casey’s voice, saw a green truck, smaller than a F-150, like a S-10 or a Ford Ranger and a white male with brownish hair that he had never seen before, they walked into the garage; it was late afternoon.
Page 1394 Lines 12-16,25 & Page 1395 Lines 1-11 & Page 1395 Lines 2-13 Brian B. Interview with LE on 7/30/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 24 George A. informed Brian B.’s son that someone had broken into his shed and stolen gas.
Page 1393 Lines 9-14 Brian B. Interview with LE on 7/30/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

entered on calendar and Brian B. interview thread.

Brini
10-19-2008, 06:31 PM
Heh. Figured it was about time I added an avatar. One of my idols, and fitting for October. :)


Looking at these odd calls a little more, I found some that don't quite fit with my theory that they are all MMS's. There are 4 of them within a few minutes on July 1 to the Anthony home phone - 1:43 AM (57 second call), 1:51 AM (12 seconds), 1:52 AM (15 seconds), 2:02 AM (10 seconds).

She couldn't be sending MMS's to their home phone, right? (or could be but they wouldn't work right?) What would she be doing calling the house several times at that time of the night?

Checking to see whether the coast is clear.

Theonly1
10-19-2008, 06:54 PM
Since I did not know what an MMS was I googled it. I then clicked on the Nokia's version of MMS (says Nokia uses EAIF). I'm an ignoramus when it comes to this stuff (it's all acronyms to me) but maybe this will help the techies.

http://www.it.uc3m.es/~kukielka/service_engineering/laboratory/related_material/MMSC%20EAIF%20Emulator%20User%27s%20Guide.pdf

shadow of my mind
10-19-2008, 08:45 PM
In general this is what I was able to figure out about MMS & SMS

SMS=Short message service=Text only; phone to phone or phone to web
MMS=Multi Media Message service= Picture, video, animation; phone to phone or phone to web.

MMS means it is a picture or video. You can take a picture of something: save it to your phone, send it to someone; their phone, their web account, send it to your storage online account with your carrier. [Kind of like a Facebook or Myspace directly on the carries site; that you can give others access to view on that carriers website account that is then accessed through the internet], send it to your own web account on Facebook, Myspace etc.
[Casey can give her password to anyone to view what is on any site that is considered her online acount; AT&T picture account, Myspace, Facebook, email etc]

Pictures that have text written with it are sent through different formats and then reconfigured back together when it gets to phone but here is where the question is:

The text and the picture are sent out, the text pings a tower and several seconds later the picture pings a tower- the phone gets the text, then the phone gets the picture - and then the phone alerts you that you just received a MMS. The question is since towers do not store any information, they just move information could there be a delay in delivery causing pings to be only several seconds apart- causing Incoming Text to show up on the report that is just seconds apart from one another. I have not been able to come up with an answer for that.
If this is correct this would account for say 15 Incoming Text from Amy but only finding 14 actual worded text messages and maybe some of those short numbers in the phone number colume.

As far as the A's landline receiving MMS or SMS. Not that I know about. There is what was called teletype (think Western Union) but I haven't used Teletype in years so how or even if it works now... not a clue. Could it be some type of data dump from a cell phone via a landline to a computer? I have no idea.
A landline can be set to receive faxes and if the phone is busy or not on a automatic switching system the sending fax machine will hang up and redial the number over again until it reaches a clear line that excepts that annoying fax noise signal.
My understanding is that faxes over the phone are a lot slower than text messaging as far as duration so if it were a some type of fax it would be longer than 15 seconds from reaching the number, send that noise signal, no recognition by the phone, reject call and terminate call.

Anyone out there a NOC = Network Operations Center person. I am not much help with the phone questions. Basically I know very little about how all of this ‘new fangled’ stuff works.

mommya
10-19-2008, 09:17 PM
Hey guys - I've just been wondering if anyone has come across any phone #'s in Casey's address book that don't match up? Do we even have what is called the "address book" for comparison? I'm just remembering that info we heard early on about Lee calling #'s from Casey's address book - and the #'s not matching the names - and Lee getting the neighbors or some such on the line and being confused...

Thanks.

ElizaAvalon
10-19-2008, 09:20 PM
And the 623 number associated with this - made at the exact same time - is to Mark H's number.

At least for this call, it looks to me like she is sending him a MMS.

I think these are calls that she lets go to voicemail. They are all in pairs, all at the same exact time, for the same exact duration and never ping a celltower because they aren't picked up.

You will notice that the call from Casey's phone in the pair is to the 7686 number in every instance. This, I believe, is the voicemail number that the call is forwarded to.

The other number, the one that is called from, is most often from her parents' home or from Mark H.

I also believe that the order in the report is not the order that the calls occurred. Probably just a result of the sort of the report, being that the calls occur at the same exact time.

Also note that in almost every instance a text message comes in from "11". I believe this is an alert message from the service provider that she has voicemail.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 09:33 PM
I think these are calls that she lets go to voicemail. They are all in pairs, all at the same exact time, for the same exact duration and never ping a celltower because they aren't picked up.

You will notice that the call from Casey's phone in the pair is to the 7686 number in every instance. This, I believe, is the voicemail number that the call is forwarded to.

The other number, the one that is called from, is most often from her parents' home or from Mark H.

I also believe that the order in the report is not the order that the calls occurred. Probably just a result of the sort of the report, being that the calls occur at the same exact time.

Also note that in almost every instance a text message comes in from "11". I believe this is an alert message from the service provider that she has voicemail.

Eliza, I think you may have hit the nail on the head! That makes a lot of sense to me.

And the above bolded part - do you think it's because her phone is turned OFF? That would explain no tower ping. If her phone were on it seems like it would ring and thus cause a tower ping. Off and it goes straight to voicemail.

ElizaAvalon
10-19-2008, 10:20 PM
Eliza, I think you may have hit the nail on the head! That makes a lot of sense to me.

And the above bolded part - do you think it's because her phone is turned OFF? That would explain no tower ping. If her phone were on it seems like it would ring and thus cause a tower ping. Off and it goes straight to voicemail.

I don't know if we can tell for sure that the phone is off.

Take a look at the phone log on 6/28 between 5:01 and 5:08pm.

I don't think the phone could have been off between the 2 sets of texts to/from Jesse. And, of course, because there is one outgoing text BEFORE the Anthony Home phone call and one outgoing text AFTER, we know that she is physically using the phone to make those texts.

It's also quite the coincidence that of the 70 phone calls that were made to Casey's phone from the Anthony home, 50 of them went to voicemail. Of the 47 voice calls that Tony made to Casey's phone, only 1 went to voicemail.

Georgia PI
10-19-2008, 10:21 PM
Hey guys - I've just been wondering if anyone has come across any phone #'s in Casey's address book that don't match up? Do we even have what is called the "address book" for comparison? I'm just remembering that info we heard early on about Lee calling #'s from Casey's address book - and the #'s not matching the names - and Lee getting the neighbors or some such on the line and being confused...

Thanks.

I do know that the number listed under "Universal" is actually AT & T account management (bill collection).

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 10:38 PM
I don't know if we can tell for sure that the phone is off.

Take a look at the phone log on 6/28 between 5:01 and 5:08pm.

I don't think the phone could have been off between the 2 sets of texts to/from Jesse. And, of course, because there is one outgoing text BEFORE the Anthony Home phone call and one outgoing text AFTER, we know that she is physically using the phone to make those texts.

It's also quite the coincidence that of the 70 phone calls that were made to Casey's phone from the Anthony home, 50 of them went to voicemail. Of the 47 voice calls that Tony made to Casey's phone, only 1 went to voicemail.

Eliza, I assume you mean 6/29 - no calls like that 6/28.

I see what you mean... Is it possible to send only certain phone numbers directly to voicemail? forwarding them in other words?

cacnotcam
10-19-2008, 10:44 PM
Eliza, I assume you mean 6/29 - no calls like that 6/28.

I see what you mean... Is it possible to send only certain phone numbers directly to voicemail? forwarding them in other words?

You mean skipping the ringing...Like if I were to call you....Or do you mean if you were to call me? I know that with some cell phones, if you hit that button on the side or wherever to silence the ringer if you can't pick it up at that time, sometimes it will send the call to voice mail. Make sense? Not sure if I helped or not! :P

ElizaAvalon
10-19-2008, 10:52 PM
Eliza, I assume you mean 6/29 - no calls like that 6/28.

I see what you mean... Is it possible to send only certain phone numbers directly to voicemail? forwarding them in other words?

Yes, you're right. Sorry about that - I meant 6/29.

Do you know the make and model of the cellphone that she had? Not the (imo, imaginary) razor, but the other one?

I know on some phones it is possible to set your security (or parental controls) up so that calls from numbers not in your contacts are blocked and go directly to voicemail. But I don't know if you can block specific numbers.

For example, on some phones, you can set your incoming calls to to "Allow All", "Phone Book Only" or "Special #s" (where you would add the special #s that you would allow your phone to accept). All other calls would go to voicemail.

Muzikman
10-19-2008, 11:01 PM
Yes, you're right. Sorry about that - I meant 6/29.

Do you know the make and model of the cellphone that she had? Not the (imo, imaginary) razor, but the other one?

I know on some phones it is possible to set your security (or parental controls) up so that calls from numbers not in your contacts are blocked and go directly to voicemail. But I don't know if you can block specific numbers.

For example, on some phones, you can set your incoming calls to to "Allow All", "Phone Book Only" or "Special #s" (where you would add the special #s that you would allow your phone to accept). All other calls would go to voicemail.

The phone that was forensically examined was a Nokia 2610, a cheap phone but it did have internet capabilities, among other thngs.

TxRose
10-19-2008, 11:59 PM
Sorry if this has been asked and/or answered before...but you all are clearly the experts on the cell phone pings.

I was looking at the cell records for June 16th - the day George says was the last time he saw Caylee. If I remember correctly, he stated that he saw Casey and Caylee and that they left the house at around 1:00 pm. I know he later left for work. What bothers me is that the cell phone continues to ping from the same cell tower near the Anthony home that it pinged at earlier in the morning. This continues until after 4:00 pm. So how did they leave and still have the phone pinging on the same tower? What is the theory here...that she drove around the block and parked until George left for work? Why not just wait until he left before coming out of the bedroom? Has anyone discussed this? (My apologies if this has been brought up before)

Muzikman
10-20-2008, 12:13 AM
Sorry if this has been asked and/or answered before...but you all are clearly the experts on the cell phone pings.

I was looking at the cell records for June 16th - the day George says was the last time he saw Caylee. If I remember correctly, he stated that he saw Casey and Caylee and that they left the house at around 1:00 pm. I know he later left for work. What bothers me is that the cell phone continues to ping from the same cell tower near the Anthony home that it pinged at earlier in the morning. This continues until after 4:00 pm. So how did they leave and still have the phone pinging on the same tower? What is the theory here...that she drove around the block and parked until George left for work? Why not just wait until he left before coming out of the bedroom? Has anyone discussed this? (My apologies if this has been brought up before)

Nobody knows for sure. But George could have been lying... many people have been suspicious at the great detail of his memory of what they were wearing, etc, over a month later.

Theonly1
10-20-2008, 12:15 AM
Sorry if this has been asked and/or answered before...but you all are clearly the experts on the cell phone pings.

I was looking at the cell records for June 16th - the day George says was the last time he saw Caylee. If I remember correctly, he stated that he saw Casey and Caylee and that they left the house at around 1:00 pm. I know he later left for work. What bothers me is that the cell phone continues to ping from the same cell tower near the Anthony home that it pinged at earlier in the morning. This continues until after 4:00 pm. So how did they leave and still have the phone pinging on the same tower? What is the theory here...that she drove around the block and parked until George left for work? Why not just wait until he left before coming out of the bedroom? Has anyone discussed this? (My apologies if this has been brought up before)

According to the pings, neither the "left in a huff on the night of the 15th" nor the "left in the morning/afternoon of the 16th" is plain and obvious because of what you just stated--that the pings were coming from the towers around the A home until late afternoon (4'ish). I'm assuming the same cell towers would service Lee's house as the Anthony home. Casey could have driven around the block and waited for GA to leave. She could have driven to Lee's. Or maybe she was simply at home and people are wrong in their recollections. I don't know.

And what "following her pings" makes even more problematic is that she seemingly did not really leave the Greater Orlando area on key dates. Further, the cell towers can service an area of upwards of 3 miles (at least) so the area in which a person can "be" is vast. For example, at the A home you will see two or three main towers servicing that area. At AL's apartment you will also see three main towers servicing that area (and it's a large area). Since Casey did not seem to be that well-travelled it's hard to say if she was at "home" or a boyfriends or simply down the street doing something else but still pinging away from a home tower.

shadow of my mind
10-20-2008, 12:29 AM
For reference Only

All Casey Cell Phone Logs & Pings Thread posts from 9/8 to 10/2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70666
Continued >
All Casey Cell Phone Logs & Pings Part #2 Thread posts from 10/2 to 10/17
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72435
Continued >
All Casey Cell Phone Logs & Pings Part #3 Thread posts from 10/17 to 10/19
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73373

The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack Thread post
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69933

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 01:02 AM
Just looking @ this pattern Cindy' Cell & Anthony home => Casey, FWIW...

6/15 thru 6/24: Calls are hit & miss during this period. 0 to 2 a day, most <1min. and most from Anthony home. 1 call on 6/24 @ 3:15PM lasts 5mins. (gas cans?)

6/25: Cindy sends her first text msg to Casey (don't have pre-6/15 records yet)

(NOTE: Casey sent her first text to Cindy 6/18 @ 10:52AM...this was first break of silence since "flurry" of calls 6/16)
Casey returns 2 texts messages 6/25.

6/26: Cindy calls Casey and has almost a 10min conversation + 1 text msg

6/27: Cindy calls 3 times in PM ranging from <1min to 6 mins, + 1 text msg

6/28: No activity

6/29-7/3 Mid-day: All calls are from Anthony home (none from Cindy's Cell) and appears almost all of them are ignored and go to vmail (if interpreting correctly)

7/3 mid-day: Cindy's texting starts to explode. (Day Cindy posts on Myspace)

8 in <3hrs, then 1 call for 11 mins.
Then 4 texts from Cindy,
Then 3 calls from Cindy lasting <3mins
Then 16 texts from Cindy until 11:17PM

7/4: Morning Cindy calls Casey and they talk for 30mins

7/4 - 7/15: Cindy calls ~1-4/day and most appear to go into vmail. Cindy texts ~4/day

Muzikman
10-20-2008, 01:24 AM
Just looking @ this pattern Cindy' Cell & Anthony home => Casey, FWIW...

6/15 thru 6/24: Calls are hit & miss during this period. 0 to 2 a day, most <1min. and most from Anthony home. 1 call on 6/24 @ 3:15PM lasts 5mins. (gas cans?)

6/25: Cindy sends her first text msg to Casey (don't have pre-6/15 records yet)

(NOTE: Casey sent her first text to Cindy 6/18 @ 10:52AM...this was first break of silence since "flurry" of calls 6/16)
Casey returns 2 texts messages 6/25.

6/26: Cindy calls Casey and has almost a 10min conversation + 1 text msg

6/27: Cindy calls 3 times in PM ranging from <1min to 6 mins, + 1 text msg

6/28: No activity

6/29-7/3 Mid-day: All calls are from Anthony home (none from Cindy's Cell) and appears almost all of them are ignored and go to vmail (if interpreting correctly)

7/3 mid-day: Cindy's texting starts to explode. (Day Cindy posts on Myspace)

8 in <3hrs, then 1 call for 11 mins.
Then 4 texts from Cindy,
Then 3 calls from Cindy lasting <3mins
Then 16 texts from Cindy until 11:17PM

7/4: Morning Cindy calls Casey and they talk for 30mins

7/4 - 7/15: Cindy calls ~1-4/day and most appear to go into vmail. Cindy texts ~4/day

Great analysis Bond. Makes it easy to see there was definitely something going on between the two of them.

Would LOVE to see those texts that Cindy sent!!! Hopefully LE got them all and just hasn't released them yet.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 01:28 AM
Heh. Figured it was about time I added an avatar. One of my idols, and fitting for October. :)


Looking at these odd calls a little more, I found some that don't quite fit with my theory that they are all MMS's. There are 4 of them within a few minutes on July 1 to the Anthony home phone - 1:43 AM (57 second call), 1:51 AM (12 seconds), 1:52 AM (15 seconds), 2:02 AM (10 seconds).

She couldn't be sending MMS's to their home phone, right? (or could be but they wouldn't work right?) What would she be doing calling the house several times at that time of the night?
I have no idea why she would have been calling them at that hour - repeatedly. (Sounds like she was tormenting them, lol.) I just wanted to comment about the date here. This is the night that she pings way out near Andy F's place I think. I have mentioned before that I think that this is one of the only evenings where she didn't have a place to stay and may well have spent the night in her car.

MOO

ETA - I believe that this was one of the weeks where CA was on holiday. They had talked about maybe visiting GA's parents or going to the beach. Maybe she was hoping that they weren't home?

deerpack2003
10-20-2008, 01:30 AM
Do you think that she ever traveled without the cell phone?

jademonkey
10-20-2008, 01:44 AM
Do you think that she ever traveled without the cell phone?


I sure do.

Everyone knows that your phone is traceable. I think it's possible she left it at home when she didn't want it known where she was at

or

that she went out dumped it in a field by the airport, went somewhere totally different and came back to get the phone. If true she is sitting back laughing at everybody combing the airport, knowing she disposed of her somewhere totally different. :furious: We shall see if she was that smart, I doubt it but you never know!

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 01:50 AM
I sure do.

Everyone knows that your phone is traceable. I think it's possible she left it at home when she didn't want it known where she was at

or

that she went out dumped it in a field by the airport, went somewhere totally different and came back to get the phone. If true she is sitting back laughing at everybody combing the airport, knowing she disposed of her somewhere totally different. :furious: We shall see if she was that smart, I doubt it but you never know!

Unfortunately, lately...I've starting wondering about something similar as well. :confused:

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 06:40 AM
I have no idea why she would have been calling them at that hour - repeatedly. (Sounds like she was tormenting them, lol.) I just wanted to comment about the date here. This is the night that she pings way out near Andy F's place I think. I have mentioned before that I think that this is one of the only evenings where she didn't have a place to stay and may well have spent the night in her car.

MOO

ETA - I believe that this was one of the weeks where CA was on holiday. They had talked about maybe visiting GA's parents or going to the beach. Maybe she was hoping that they weren't home?

On July 1, I believe those calls are calls FROM the Anthony home that go to voicemail.

One thing I find interesting is that between July 1 and July 5 it looks like Casey got very little sleep. Red bull, anyone? Or... something else?

AZRiverRat
10-20-2008, 07:23 AM
Re: The call from AZ...

I was looking on facebook, and MH has his location listed as Western AZ.
I know this is the same MH that is in the military because I recognize the photo.

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=1066864950&sid=90477b05b7c37480ab6dc985511b7aac

So I browsed through his friends and it looks like he has a relative that lives there. (Last name is the same as his mom's)

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=1446861697&sid=7c73937a346237e18fe13b250926cc99

Here is another friend of his. She is in a lot of photos with KC.

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=75311619&sid=064dcd111b61ce03408c509188d90661

So, how many calls were there to and from AZ?

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 08:15 AM
Just looking @ this pattern Cindy' Cell & Anthony home => Casey, FWIW...

6/15 thru 6/24: Calls are hit & miss during this period. 0 to 2 a day, most <1min. and most from Anthony home. 1 call on 6/24 @ 3:15PM lasts 5mins. (gas cans?)

6/25: Cindy sends her first text msg to Casey (don't have pre-6/15 records yet)
(NOTE: Casey sent her first text to Cindy 6/18 @ 10:52AM...this was first break of silence since "flurry" of calls 6/16)
Casey returns 2 texts messages 6/25.
6/26: Cindy calls Casey and has almost a 10min conversation + 1 text msg

6/27: Cindy calls 3 times in PM ranging from <1min to 6 mins, + 1 text msg

6/28: No activity

6/29-7/3 Mid-day: All calls are from Anthony home (none from Cindy's Cell) and appears almost all of them are ignored and go to vmail (if interpreting correctly)

7/3 mid-day: Cindy's texting starts to explode. (Day Cindy posts on Myspace)
8 in <3hrs, then 1 call for 11 mins.
Then 4 texts from Cindy,
Then 3 calls from Cindy lasting <3mins
Then 16 texts from Cindy until 11:17PM
7/4: Morning Cindy calls Casey and they talk for 30mins

7/4 - 7/15: Cindy calls ~1-4/day and most appear to go into vmail. Cindy texts ~4/day

Bond - Just a couple of things to note...6/29 to 7/3 - CA was off work. She took the week off so that's probably why the calls were coming from the Anthony home rather than from her cell. Also - the 3rd (not sure what time the calls occured) but CA does mention in her interview that she was supposed to meet up with Caylee at Universal but that they didn't show up so, she must have been quite angry about being stood up.

This is also the day she posted her one and only post on myspace...Sounds like she was perhaps getting desperate and panicky at this point. (She mentions somewhere else - I can't remember where - that she didn't know how to do anything on the computer so it's likely that LA helped her set up the myspace page that very day.) July 3rd - LOTS of stuff happening...Lee was trying to get in touch with her and I believe that he and her talked in the wee hours of the morning of the 4rth.

ETA - Where are you seeing all of this phone information? I can't find anything that has been consolidated?!! To use Muzikman's phrase, I am definitely a noob with this stuff but would really like to help to analyze if possible!

mommya
10-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Bond - great work - and PinkP. too - just want to add in about July 3 - that's the night that Casey said Lee was coming to see her at the bar so she boogied. Also July 3 is the day Casey told Jesse not to take any calls from her mother.

ETA - I think July 3 is when the new paver work was done too.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 09:05 AM
I am finding pings between the 16th and 17th of July very interesting, when it is known that KC does not have the cell phone. From midnight to 12:45 pm on the 16th, the towers near KC's parents' home ping. Then there is movement out of the normal area (which there would be with a new user carrying the phone), but I wonder if someone was sent on a mission out to Lake Cane and a wooded area close by. Does anyone know why there would be activity out there?

7/16

12:41:51 - Chickasaw Trl Rd; 28.5444 -81.2767472

12:45:58 - Lowell Blvd; 28.5542778 -81.3328611

13:04:53 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

13:06:57 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

13:40:13 to 14:11:06 - Dr. Phillips Blvd, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4869444 -81.4919444

14:36:13 to 14:38:12 - Quiet Oaks Ln, Lake Cain Hills; 28.4905556 -81.4681694

14:42:48 - Hospitality Way; 28.4658333 -81.4602778

15:06:18 until end of records on 7/17 - Michigan Ct; 28.5475028 -81.4113194

These pings that we now assume to have occurred while she was taking LE on a wild “goose chase” got me thinking a lot. I keep thinking that this little trip she took them on had to be because SHE wanted to see something. So, I mapped it out on google maps and I was stunned to see that it basically goes right by the La Bella Vita resort that has been discussed on various occasions. Seeing the map gives this possibility a whole new meaning! Is it possible that she took them there because she wanted to see this location???

I have always believed that the tattoo she got had meaning and when I saw this map, I went in for a closer look. Right near the area, to the right of Little Sand Lake, is Lake Marie. Just a little further south is a Cindy Street. This morning while doing the rounds of the blogs, I saw that this was being discussed again on the SM blog (not because of these pings) so there is certainly lots of other information available about this. It’s not a new idea but perhaps one worthwhile revisiting?

Apparently, Jesse’s house is nearby and most certainly this area fits with her “comfort zone”. I’m not sure that pings to this area appear in any of our logs but we have been discussing the possibility that she could have been turning her phone off sometimes; this location could fit into that kind of a scenario.

It has been bothering me so I had to post it. I’m not sure that I’m convinced that this could be a viable location but it’s been nagging at me. Just something to think about...

mommya
10-20-2008, 09:22 AM
QuietStorm and PinkP. -

Dunno if it ties in - but when George followed Casey that day she took Cindy's car - he said he followed her on the 408 out to the west side of town and lost her at the Kirkman Rd. or Hiawassee exit I think. That is a bit north of Lake Cane - but you'd still take that way to get there probably?

Also - it is Jesse's parents who live near Lake Marsha - Jesse had an apt. on the other side of town. Still could be relavent tho - we know the G's watched Caylee when she was younger - it must have been at their home out there.

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 09:35 AM
These pings that we now assume to have occurred while she was taking LE on a wild “goose chase” got me thinking a lot. I keep thinking that this little trip she took them on had to be because SHE wanted to see something. So, I mapped it out on google maps and I was stunned to see that it basically goes right by the La Bella Vita resort that has been discussed on various occasions. Seeing the map gives this possibility a whole new meaning! Is it possible that she took them there because she wanted to see this location???

I have always believed that the tattoo she got had meaning and when I saw this map, I went in for a closer look. Right near the area, to the right of Little Sand Lake, is Lake Marie. Just a little further south is a Cindy Street. This morning while doing the rounds of the blogs, I saw that this was being discussed again on the SM blog (not because of these pings) so there is certainly lots of other information available about this. It’s not a new idea but perhaps one worthwhile revisiting?

Apparently, Jesse’s house is nearby and most certainly this area fits with her “comfort zone”. I’m not sure that pings to this area appear in any of our logs but we have been discussing the possibility that she could have been turning her phone off sometimes; this location could fit into that kind of a scenario.

It has been bothering me so I had to post it. I’m not sure that I’m convinced that this could be a viable location but it’s been nagging at me. Just something to think about...

Pink Panther,

I had posted about this exact location about a month ago. I was more focused on the Boo Boos Lake area which is just south of the resort. Interesting that more than one of us had a funny feeling about this location. Also, I've always wondered too if, in some crazy way, she was "about" to take them to the body after the Sawgrass visit and when they got to Universal they busted her lies and she went deeper into the sociopath denial mode and knew she couldn't give up the body location at that point.

Now, we have nothing to prove this theory or any other pings in that area prior to the 16th. Just odd feelings on both our parts.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Will put this on individual day threads, but, putting here also since they don't see the same level of scrutiny as it will here.

IIRC, Brian B. states shovel day is 6/17 or 6/18 and Casey borrows shovel ~1:30-2:30PM or as late as maybe 3PM...not quite certain, but, she has it for ~1hr.

Consider the following ping, fb & computer forensic info and which may support shovel day as 6/17 or 6/18.

All times are approximate based on pings entering/leaving area...

ON TUE 6/17:

2:29PM...arrived @ G&C's...1 min call to Ricardo
2:44PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:44PM...~20 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...attempted call to Clint...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...~10 second call to Clint pinged @ G&C's
3:15PM...Facebook msg'd Amy "can't wait to get you moved in" (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:31PM...downloaded Father's day pics to laptop (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:53PM...text to Tony...pinged Lee Vista Area (note: pics downld @ 3:31, then ping @ 3:53..then next ping back @ G&C's)
3:55PM...text to Tony...pinged back @ G&C's
3:56PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
3:57PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:04PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:05PM...~10 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
5:20PM...called 9899#...Chris S. security gate maybe?
5:20PM-8:38PM...no cell activity...Chris S. states Casey there in dark Grand Cherokee

ON WED 6/18:

3:16PM...arrived @ G&C's...short (seconds) call to Tony
3:42PM...pinged @ G&C's...2 min call to Tony...
4:11PM...left G&C's before this time...2 min call to Amy...pinged NE of Chris S. house

NOTE: Brian B. comments on seeing the PONTIAC backed into the garage. 6/17 events suggest Casey had to change cars between 4:05PM and 5:20PM to have Tony's GC @ Chris' by 5:20. Hmmmmm :waitasec:

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 10:21 AM
QuietStorm and PinkP. -

Dunno if it ties in - but when George followed Casey that day she took Cindy's car - he said he followed her on the 408 out to the west side of town and lost her at the Kirkman Rd. or Hiawassee exit I think. That is a bit north of Lake Cane - but you'd still take that way to get there probably?

Also - it is Jesse's parents who live near Lake Marsha - Jesse had an apt. on the other side of town. Still could be relavent tho - we know the G's watched Caylee when she was younger - it must have been at their home out there.
It does tie in. If you map it on google from the A's home to Little Sand Lake, that's the suggested route. There are other routes of course, but that's the one that comes up. It's 20. 5 miles and the estimated time one-way is 33 minutes.

david918
10-20-2008, 10:36 AM
Great analysis Bond. Makes it easy to see there was definitely something going on between the two of them.

Would LOVE to see those texts that Cindy sent!!! Hopefully LE got them all and just hasn't released them yet.

I think what is interesting is how the only time KC and LA talked or texted is the early AM hours 7-4. This is probably due to CA not being able to reach KC so LA tried. I find it a bit odd that KC and LA did not communicate.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 10:38 AM
I know many have beaten the proverbial dead horse w.r.t. the missing phone#'s. At this point, do you think a "Missing phone#'s" thread would yield a renewed interest/new WS's and perhaps resolve a few more #'s? Or has that effort run its course?

I'm working off of a list that has at least 19 #'s still unidentified.

Whaddya think?

bullet225ho
10-20-2008, 10:55 AM
I'd like to see a list of all the numbers myself and who they belong to.

19? wow, that's alot of numbers.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 11:04 AM
I know many have beaten the proverbial dead horse w.r.t. the missing phone#'s. At this point, do you think a "Missing phone#'s" thread would yield a renewed interest/new WS's and perhaps resolve a few more #'s? Or has that effort run its course?

I'm working off of a list that has at least 19 #'s still unidentified.

Whaddya think?
Great idea! Where can we see the existing list?

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 11:31 AM
Great idea! Where can we see the existing list?

I'm not sure if we could make any additional progress or not. Here is the missing list with the third number omitted. Feel free to move to a new thread if you think it's worthy:

77X-111-0102
32X-331-1996
40X-756-2823
40X-462-0293
40X-883-3008
81X-268-3418
40X-282-3833
40X-836-4102
86X-361-4999
40X-629-5765
32X-231-6564
32X-377-6993
77X-713-9232
40X-415-9290
32X-278-9765
95X-478-9899
40X-478-9999
40X-447-9999

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 11:34 AM
I'm not sure if we could make any additional progress or not. Here is the missing list with the third number omitted. Feel free to move to a new thread if you think it's worthy:

77X-111-0102
32X-331-1996
40X-756-2823
40X-462-0293
40X-883-3008
81X-268-3418
40X-282-3833
40X-836-4102
86X-361-4999
40X-629-5765
32X-231-6564
32X-377-6993
77X-713-9232
40X-415-9290
32X-278-9765
95X-478-9899
40X-478-9999
40X-447-9999
Thanks TexasLil! Has the list with numbers and known names been posted somewhere as well???

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 11:49 AM
Ping Map for July 1, 2008 is posted in the other thread.

realist
10-20-2008, 11:50 AM
I'm not sure if we could make any additional progress or not. Here is the missing list with the third number omitted. Feel free to move to a new thread if you think it's worthy:

77X-111-0102
32X-331-1996
40X-756-2823
40X-462-0293
40X-883-3008
81X-268-3418
40X-282-3833
40X-836-4102
86X-361-4999
40X-629-5765
32X-231-6564
32X-377-6993
77X-713-9232
40X-415-9290
32X-278-9765
95X-478-9899
40X-478-9999
40X-447-9999

3833 is a Taxi Company
5765 is a Back line to Gentiva (CA's employer)
The 9899 and 9999 numbers are ATT numbers used for transferring data.

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 12:05 PM
3833 is a Taxi Company
5765 is a Back line to Gentiva (CA's employer)
The 9899 and 9999 numbers are ATT numbers used for transferring data.

Actually I should have taken the 3833 number off the missing list. That ended up being a data transfer error and was later corrected. So she didn't ever call the taxi company,

Thanks for the others... I'll add the descriptions to the list. Are you 100% confident on the 9899 and 9999 numbers? Only ask because others had speculated something different.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 12:12 PM
3833 is a Taxi Company
5765 is a Back line to Gentiva (CA's employer)
The 9899 and 9999 numbers are ATT numbers used for transferring data.

Thanks, realist.

A quick follow-up...

There are (407) and (954) area codes listed for 9999 numbers. Do you mean to include both as "ATT numbers used for transferring data."?

...and, if you'll humor me, what's an example of "transferring data"? I've speculated these are used to send codes to unlock security gates (e.g. apartment/gated community, etc.)...would this fit?

TIA!

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 12:17 PM
The 0293 number belongs to someone by the name of Antionette? Any one heard of this person?

The only call is a text sent by Casey on the morning of 7/16 and IIRC she wasn't in Casey's phone book.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 12:21 PM
I know many have beaten the proverbial dead horse w.r.t. the missing phone#'s. At this point, do you think a "Missing phone#'s" thread would yield a renewed interest/new WS's and perhaps resolve a few more #'s? Or has that effort run its course?

I'm working off of a list that has at least 19 #'s still unidentified.

Whaddya think?

...I'll PM Tricia to see if she'll support a "Missing #'s" thread as a standalone to see what we can do about narrowing those down w/o destroying the general cell/ping discussion...we'll see...

Black Magic Woman
10-20-2008, 12:22 PM
I sure do.

Everyone knows that your phone is traceable. I think it's possible she left it at home when she didn't want it known where she was at

or

that she went out dumped it in a field by the airport, went somewhere totally different and came back to get the phone. If true she is sitting back laughing at everybody combing the airport, knowing she disposed of her somewhere totally different. :furious: We shall see if she was that smart, I doubt it but you never know!I'm inclined to believe that she was way more savey than we're giving her credit for. Every time I watch CSI I am reminded that was her favorite program. I believe she either turned the phone off (battery out) or left it someplace as you've described above. Sociopath yes, stupid no. just hope LE is taking that possibility seriously.

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 12:24 PM
OK so when I call the 4999 number the message says:

"We're sorry but your service has been suspended due to a past due balance"... "Please enter the wireless number you are calling about". The calls to this number were made on 7/15 from 5:42 to 6:26 p.m.

The logs show an incoming call at 5:33 p.m. and an incoming text at 6:30. Is this known to be the date and time her phone was disconnected and she used Amy's account to make a payment?

realist
10-20-2008, 12:30 PM
Actually I should have taken the 3833 number off the missing list. That ended up being a data transfer error and was later corrected. So she didn't ever call the taxi company,

Thanks for the others... I'll add the descriptions to the list. Are you 100% confident on the 9899 and 9999 numbers? Only ask because others had speculated something different.


According to a guy I know at ATT, he said these are land line numbers used to transfer multiple data packets (bursts) through the network.

AZRiverRat
10-20-2008, 12:47 PM
Has anyone ID'd 2 calls to GGM's house? In her statement to LE, she was telling them someone had called and left messages on her answering machine.

12 KK: Is there anything you can think of...
13 SP: Yeah (affirmative)
14 KK: ..that we haven't?
15 SP: I can tell you something.
16 KK: Okay.
17 SP: Uh, I don't know what date it was, but when Cindy wasn't hearing from Casey I'd
18 go home from here and you know how the answering machine gots (sic)
19 solicitors on, right? I put this, I played it and it was a jibber-jabber of a little kid
20 with a whole lot of noise in the background. And they let it play and run until the
21 thing stopped.
22 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
23 SP: I don't know who's doing that. I don't think Casey would do that with her
24 daughter. Somebody's horsing around is what I figured. Well I don't know how
25 much later but it was, then the, within a few days I got another one.
Well I answered the phone and it just went on with a little, same identical thing. So it
2 had to be a recording to get it to sound like that. A little child jibber-jabbering,
3 and which Caylee speaks plain if she's going to speak.
4 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
5 SP: You know, she is almost three. She's not just two. I mean she'll be three in...
6 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
7 SP: ...a little bit. But, uh, that was two times. So I told Cindy the other day, I said, "If
8 Casey says she heard I hope she could identify Casey, or Caylee," because
9 maybe it was some weird thing like they did to me. Somebody playing something
10 on a, I haven't ever had it, you know, since she's reported missing or anything.
11 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
12 SP: But it was during the time, two times.
13 SH: Now this gibber-jabber was not Caylee's voice?
14 SP: See, I wasn't, in a way I wasn't expecting it. But if I said it was Caylee's voice I'm
15 not telling the truth because I don't know. But it sounded like a little kid.
16 SH: But it didn't jump out at you of, oh, this is Caylee. Why is she not talking plain
17 English? It didn't jump out at you like that?
18 SP: I'll tell you the first time it was just a shock.
19 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
20 SP: And the second time, as soon as they knew a person answered they played just
21 such a little bit and stopped it. They didn't let it go all the way, you know, like
22 that. And nobody answered when I said hello.
23 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
*snipped*
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_S_Plesea072208.htm

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 12:58 PM
According to a guy I know at ATT, he said these are land line numbers used to transfer multiple data packets (bursts) through the network.

Based on the reliability of the source I will take this as confirmation. I wonder if this would indicate mass texts being sent?

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 12:58 PM
Has anyone ID'd 2 calls to GGM's house? In her statement to LE, she was telling them someone had called and left messages on her answering machine.


*snipped*

Her number is unlisted on Intelius now. Anyone have any segment of her number? I can do a quick search of the phone logs for match.

AZRiverRat
10-20-2008, 01:01 PM
*snipped*

her number is unlisted on intelius now. Anyone have any segment of her number? I can do a quick search of the phone logs for match.

(xxx)xxx-1469

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 01:08 PM
(xxx)xxx-1469

Thanks, AZ.

A search of all numbers inbound & outbound from Casey's cell log between the date/times 6/14 6:07PM and 7/17 11:25PM yield no matches with "1469".

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 01:13 PM
Here are the remaining missing numbers:

(X21) 331-1996
(X07) 756-2823
(X07) 883-3008
(X16) 268-3418
(X07) 836-4102
(X21) 231-6564 (Disconnected Nextel #)
(X21) 377-6993 (Disconnected Nextel #)
(X07) 415-9290
(X21) 278-9765

Amberjack
10-20-2008, 01:15 PM
LP says there are 2 days of no cell phone activity

Tues. June 17th
Only one call from airport area

Late June

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 01:19 PM
LP says there are 2 days of no cell phone activity

Tues. June 17th
Only one call from airport area

Late June

Amberjack,

There are days that have periods of inactivity but never full days with no activity. On the 17th there was a period of 3 hours with no activity from 5:23 to 8:23 p.m.

AZRiverRat
10-20-2008, 01:19 PM
Thanks, Bond!

Does anyone have that AZ #?

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 01:28 PM
LP says there are 2 days of no cell phone activity

Tues. June 17th
Only one call from airport area

Late June

...depending on what you want to define as "no cell phone activity"...

The following are the periods where there was no Casey-initiated-phone-activity >12 hrs. The first line in each pair is the last activity before a break, then the second line is the first activity after the break:

Date DOW Time
6/16/08 MON 8:03 PM 14.9 hours
6/17/08 TUE 10:59 AM

6/18/08 WED 6:57 PM 13.6 hours
6/19/08 THU 8:32 AM

6/23/08 MON 8:52 PM 14.5 hours
6/24/08 TUE 11:20 AM

7/6/08 SUN 8:05 PM 12.1 hours
7/7/08 MON 8:11 AM

7/8/08 TUE 9:44 PM 12.8 hours
7/9/08 WED 10:29 AM

7/10/08 THU 10:17 PM 13.1 hours
7/11/08 FRI 11:20 AM\

I should add, these are rough. Its going to take more time to figure out how to filter if incoming calls go to vmail or actually get answered by Casey. In some cases above (e.g. 6/24) Casey receives an incoming call w/ a duration of 11 mins @ 9:56AM...before the 11:20AM call she places herself. Still working on it though...the above should give you rough ideas to work from though.

realist
10-20-2008, 01:40 PM
Thanks, realist.

A quick follow-up...

There are (407) and (954) area codes listed for 9999 numbers. Do you mean to include both as "ATT numbers used for transferring data."?

...and, if you'll humor me, what's an example of "transferring data"? I've speculated these are used to send codes to unlock security gates (e.g. apartment/gated community, etc.)...would this fit?

TIA!

Believe it would Bond, but I am doing a follow up with him tomorrow regarding the pings and some tower info. Will update as soon as I get that info.

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 01:50 PM
The 0293 number belongs to someone by the name of Antionette? Any one heard of this person?

The only call is a text sent by Casey on the morning of 7/16 and IIRC she wasn't in Casey's phone book.

Might be A. Salazar, Graduated Colonial High in 2003.

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 01:53 PM
Here are three more numbers to add to the missing list:

(X21) 948-0081
(X21) 663-0990 Found - Adam ?
(X07) 647-0001

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 01:56 PM
Might be A. Salazar, Graduated Colonial High in 2003.

Could be. I'll put it in our list at "Antionette" until we can find a connection.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Will put this on individual day threads, but, putting here also since they don't see the same level of scrutiny as it will here.

IIRC, Brian B. states shovel day is 6/17 or 6/18 and Casey borrows shovel ~1:30-2:30PM or as late as maybe 3PM...not quite certain, but, she has it for ~1hr.

Consider the following ping, fb & computer forensic info and which may support shovel day as 6/17 or 6/18.

All times are approximate based on pings entering/leaving area...

ON TUE 6/17:

2:29PM...arrived @ G&C's...1 min call to Ricardo
2:44PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:44PM...~20 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...attempted call to Clint...pinged @ G&C's
2:45PM...~10 second call to Clint pinged @ G&C's
3:15PM...Facebook msg'd Amy "can't wait to get you moved in" (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:31PM...downloaded Father's day pics to laptop (likely @ G&C's, IMHO)
3:53PM...text to Tony...pinged Lee Vista Area (note: pics downld @ 3:31, then ping @ 3:53..then next ping back @ G&C's)
3:55PM...text to Tony...pinged back @ G&C's
3:56PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
3:57PM...text to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:04PM...attempted call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
4:05PM...~10 second call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
5:20PM...called 9899#...Chris S. security gate maybe?
5:20PM-8:38PM...no cell activity...Chris S. states Casey there in dark Grand Cherokee

ON WED 6/18:


2:42PM...arrived @ G&C's...incoming text
2:47PM...pinged @ G&C's...text from Tony...
3:16PM...short (seconds) call to Tony...pinged @ G&C's
3:42PM...pinged @ G&C's...2 min call to Tony...
4:11PM...left G&C's before this time...2 min call to Amy...pinged NE of Chris S. house

NOTE: Brian B. comments on seeing the PONTIAC backed into the garage. 6/17 events suggest Casey had to change cars between 4:05PM and 5:20PM to have Tony's GC @ Chris' by 5:20. Hmmmmm :waitasec:

Bumping to assist w/ follow-up on the LP comment about 6/17. The "Lee Vista" ping @ 3:53PM matches what he's talking about.

Also, FWIW, Casey pinged this "Lee Vista" area:
Briefly on evening of 6/14.
Briefly around 1:30AM 6/15
HEAVILY from 8:15-11:44PM 6/15
Briefly 6/17
Briefly 6/27 @ 11:28AM (Pontiac left @ Amscot this day)
Briefly 7/1

Added a correction (thanks Marsha). Casey arrived @ G&C's earlier on 6/18 than 3:16PM as I previously posted.

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 01:59 PM
86X-361-4999 <-- Collection Agency

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 02:05 PM
86X-361-4999 <-- Collection Agency

Eliza

I think we figured out that was the number she called to find out her phone was disconnected due to the past due balance. The number never called Casey as it was always outbound calls by her.

Thanks for all your help with the numbers.

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 02:10 PM
Eliza

I think we figured out that was the number she called to find out her phone was disconnected due to the past due balance. The number never called Casey as it was always outbound calls by her.

Thanks for all your help with the numbers.

Gotcha. I got that from somewhere but not sure where.

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 02:25 PM
Bumping to assist w/ follow-up on the LP comment about 6/17. The "Lee Vista" ping @ 3:53PM matches what he's talking about.

Also, FWIW, Casey pinged this "Lee Vista" area:
Briefly on evening of 6/14.
Briefly around 1:30AM 6/15
HEAVILY from 8:15-11:44PM 6/15
Briefly 6/17
Briefly 6/27 @ 11:28AM (Pontiac left @ Amscot this day)
Briefly 7/1


I think if you look at the ping patterns that the "Lee Vista" cell tower gets pinged pretty consistently when the other "Anthony Home" cell towers ping.

On Sun 6/15, there are 2 separate pings - 1 outgoing text and 1 incoming - at 9:16 pm. One hits the "Lee Vista" cell tower, the other is 1.5 mi NW of Anthony home.

I wish the Lee Vista ping was an anomaly, but, alas, I think it is not.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 02:41 PM
I think if you look at the ping patterns that the "Lee Vista" cell tower gets pinged pretty consistently when the other "Anthony Home" cell towers ping.

On Sun 6/15, there are 2 separate pings - 1 outgoing text and 1 incoming - at 9:16 pm. One hits the "Lee Vista" cell tower, the other is 1.5 mi NW of Anthony home.

I wish the Lee Vista ping was an anomaly, but, alas, I think it is not.

I hear what your sayin' ElizaAvalon. I'm just trying to connect the real info w/ what LP is talking about. I was searching for a way to convince myself what might support the "Lee Vista" having some validity for a disposal. Of course just shifting cell traffic to adjacent towers might explain some of it.

Here's what I was able to check out w/ the cell log data:

There are basically 3 towers that serve the Anthony home:
Tower 21: ~1.5 mil NW of the home
Tower 7: ~1.5 miles S of home (In the towyard)
Tower 11: ~2 miles SW of the home ("Lee Vista" tower)

If it was blind luck that calls hit these towers you'd expect a somewhat even distribution. Here's how it looks for all pings 6/14 through 7/17 that are serviced by these three towers:

Tower 21: Carried 205 of the 389 or 53%
Tower 7: Carried 141 of the 389 or 36%
Tower 11: Carried 43 of the 389 or 11%

It could certainly be explained by something unrelated (e.g distance & traffic patterns)...still...I understand now why they're looking at it closer.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 02:51 PM
Bumping to assist w/ follow-up on the LP comment about 6/17. The "Lee Vista" ping @ 3:53PM matches what he's talking about.

Also, FWIW, Casey pinged this "Lee Vista" area:
Briefly on evening of 6/14.
Briefly around 1:30AM 6/15
HEAVILY from 8:15-11:44PM 6/15
Briefly 6/17
Briefly 6/27 @ 11:28AM (Pontiac left @ Amscot this day)
Briefly 7/1

Forgive me but I think I'm starting to get confused. I thought that LP's comment regarding pings was for June 27th. What is it that he said about June 17th???

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 03:19 PM
Forgive me but I think I'm starting to get confused. I thought that LP's comment regarding pings was for June 27th. What is it that he said about June 17th???

Hey - Pink...I'm goin' on nothing more than Amerjack's post. Not intending to infer what LP said or didn't say...only to provide some data to assist the times he mentioned per the following post. I don't follow LP closely enough myself to keep up w/ what he's sayin' :)

...here 'tis

LP says there are 2 days of no cell phone activity

Tues. June 17th
Only one call from airport area

Late June

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 03:25 PM
Forgive me but I think I'm starting to get confused. I thought that LP's comment regarding pings was for June 27th. What is it that he said about June 17th???

IMO LP has said sooo many different things it's hard to keep up. However I do recall one of the recent statements he made did infer that she was "down in that area" - Lee Vista - on the 27th. His opinion was that she disposed of the body then.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 03:28 PM
Hey - Pink...I'm goin' on nothing more than Amerjack's post. Not intending to infer what LP said or didn't say...only to provide some data to assist the times he mentioned per the following post. I don't follow LP closely enough myself to keep up w/ what he's sayin' :)

...here 'tis

This makes no sense to me at all. You yourself have posted a whole series of calls/texts for this day???

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 03:30 PM
IMO LP has said sooo many different things it's hard to keep up. However I do recall one of the recent statements he made did infer that she was "down in that area" - Lee Vista - on the 27th. His opinion was that she disposed of the body then.

...I do recall much adieu about tying the texts to Amy 'bout finding what was causing the smell and gettin' rid of the it, and this 6/27 ping in the Lee Vista area.

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 03:34 PM
IMO LP has said sooo many different things it's hard to keep up. However I do recall one of the recent statements he made did infer that she was "down in that area" - Lee Vista - on the 27th. His opinion was that she disposed of the body then.

Right. That's when he had her driving to Amscot for the 7 AM eyewitness to see the car there in the parking lot, somehow go back for the car, go to her parents' house and then run out of gas for real at 11:30ish.

Not buyin' it. I think the eyewitness is incorrect.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 03:36 PM
This makes no sense to me at all. You yourself have posted a whole series of calls/texts for this day???

If by "makes no sense" that there IS cell activity, and LP is alledgedly saying there ISN'T...then, yes, we're in violent agreement :) That was the purpose of my follow-up, to clarify there WERE calls. I didn't take it to be so much of a quote from LP, but, I thought some might...so I stuck some data out there FYI.

Hope that helps.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 03:37 PM
LP says there are 2 days of no cell phone activity

Tues. June 17th
Only one call from airport area

Late June

Amberjack - This post is causing confusion and it is not what I remember LP saying. Can you please help us out??? Where/when did LP say that there was no cell phone activity on the 17th???

petchie
10-20-2008, 03:45 PM
First post, please be kind.

Not sure if this will help or not, but I looked up area code and exchanges to see what type of phone lines these numbers were.

Using http://switchboard.intelius.com/zipcodelookup.php

321-331
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint Spectrum L.p.
Line Type Wireless

407-756
City, State WINTER PARK, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Florida Cellular Service, Inc.
Line Type Wireless


407-883
No listing for that exchange in the 407 area code. Mis-dial?

816-268
City, State KANSAS CITY, MO
County JACKSON
Provider Everest Connections Corporation - Mo
Line Type LandLine


407-836
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Bellsouth Telecomm Inc Dba Southern Bell Tel & Tel
Line Type LandLine

407-415
City, State WINTER PARK, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Cellco Partnership Dba Verizon Wireless - Fl
Line Type Wireless

321-278
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint Spectrum L.p.
Line Type Wireless

(321) 948
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Aerial Communications
Line Type Wireless


(321) 663
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint Spectrum L.p.
Line Type Wireless

(407) 647
City, State WINTER PARK, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint-florida, Inc. Dba United Tel Of Florida
Line Type LandLine

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 03:47 PM
First post, please be kind.

Not sure if this will help or not, but I looked up area code and exchanges to see what type of phone lines these numbers were.

Using http://switchboard.intelius.com/zipcodelookup.php

321-331
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint Spectrum L.p.
Line Type Wireless

407-756
City, State WINTER PARK, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Florida Cellular Service, Inc.
Line Type Wireless


407-883
No listing for that exchange in the 407 area code. Mis-dial?

816-268
City, State KANSAS CITY, MO
County JACKSON
Provider Everest Connections Corporation - Mo
Line Type LandLine


407-836
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Bellsouth Telecomm Inc Dba Southern Bell Tel & Tel
Line Type LandLine

407-415
City, State WINTER PARK, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Cellco Partnership Dba Verizon Wireless - Fl
Line Type Wireless

321-278
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint Spectrum L.p.
Line Type Wireless

(321) 948
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Aerial Communications
Line Type Wireless


(321) 663
City, State ORLANDO, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint Spectrum L.p.
Line Type Wireless

(407) 647
City, State WINTER PARK, FL
County ORANGE
Provider Sprint-florida, Inc. Dba United Tel Of Florida
Line Type LandLine

Thanks for all that great research Petchie. Hopefully someone can assist with matching names to the numbers soon.

Lil

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 03:49 PM
Amberjack - This post is causing confusion and it is not what I remember LP saying. Can you please help us out??? Where/when did LP say that there was no cell phone activity on the 17th???

With all these dates, pings, longs, lats, events and so on... it doesn't take much to confuse me now.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 03:49 PM
First post, please be kind.

Not sure if this will help or not, but I looked up area code and exchanges to see what type of phone lines these numbers were.


*snipped*

Nice, petchie! And, welcome!

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 03:54 PM
With all these dates, pings, longs, lats, events and so on... it doesn't take much to confuse me now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bullet225ho
KC did NOT use her personal cell during these times on the 6/17

6/17 11:30am – 2:12pm(2hr 40min break)
6/17 2:45pm – 3:53pm(1hr+ break)
6/17 4:05pm – 5:20pm(1hr 15min break)
6/17 5:20pm – 8:38pm(3hr 18min break)

OK, Lets get something straight, If you look at this posting above it looks like Casey took a break from calling people.

But what is not said is that times in between those listed above, she is "TEXTING", So why do you want to say the she did not use her phone.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 03:56 PM
OK, Lets get something straight, If you look at this posting above it looks like Casey took a break from calling people.

But what is not said is that times in between those listed above, she is "TEXTING", So why do you want to say the she did not use her phone.

Come on folks, let's get it together.
I agree. All of these entries have me confused on the single day threads. :waitasec:

petchie
10-20-2008, 03:57 PM
Thanks for the welcome. Have been reading here for years and just got the guts to join.

Do we know who might be in Missouri? seems like an odd place to call.

816-268
City, State KANSAS CITY, MO
County JACKSON
Provider Everest Connections Corporation - Mo
Line Type LandLine

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 03:59 PM
I agree. All of these entries have me confused on the single day threads. :waitasec:

This has been the problem with LP's statements all along, we have the records it's easy to get the answer, check the records.

I do not pay any attention to these kind of remarks from LP.

BondJamesBond
10-20-2008, 04:02 PM
...depending on what you want to define as "no cell phone activity"...

The following are the periods where there was no Casey-initiated-phone-activity >12 hrs. The first line in each pair is the last activity before a break, then the second line is the first activity after the break:

Date DOW Time
6/16/08 MON 8:03 PM 14.9 hours
6/17/08 TUE 10:59 AM

6/18/08 WED 6:57 PM 13.6 hours
6/19/08 THU 8:32 AM

6/23/08 MON 8:52 PM 14.5 hours
6/24/08 TUE 11:20 AM

7/6/08 SUN 8:05 PM 12.1 hours
7/7/08 MON 8:11 AM

7/8/08 TUE 9:44 PM 12.8 hours
7/9/08 WED 10:29 AM

7/10/08 THU 10:17 PM 13.1 hours
7/11/08 FRI 11:20 AM\

I should add, these are rough. Its going to take more time to figure out how to filter if incoming calls go to vmail or actually get answered by Casey. In some cases above (e.g. 6/24) Casey receives an incoming call w/ a duration of 11 mins @ 9:56AM...before the 11:20AM call she places herself. Still working on it though...the above should give you rough ideas to work from though.

Bump. Highlighting to emphasize GeorgiaPI's point. In many cases there are incoming texts...so we don't know if Casey was attending the phone since she didn't initiate anything. Still working to figure out how to account for calls she answered (a non-Casey-initiated activity that does require Casey to be attending her phone).

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the welcome. Have been reading here for years and just got the guts to join.

Do we know who might be in Missouri? seems like an odd place to call.

816-268
City, State KANSAS CITY, MO
County JACKSON
Provider Everest Connections Corporation - Mo
Line Type LandLine

Petchie,

That Missouri number has stuck out to many and we have yet to figure it out.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 04:46 PM
This has been the problem with LP's statements all along, we have the records it's easy to get the answer, check the records.

I do not pay any attention to these kind of remarks from LP.
I don't think that the problem is with LP's statements at all. They are opinion and as you state, it's easy to check the records. The problem is with possibly mis-communicating ANYONE's statements and with inaccurate posts that claim NO PHONE ACTIVITY has taken place when it obviously has.

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 04:49 PM
I don't think that the problem is with LP's statements at all. They are opinion and as you state, it's easy to check the records. The problem is with possibly mis-communicating ANYONE's statements and with inaccurate posts that claim NO PHONE ACTIVITY has taken place when it obviously has.

20 lashes with a WET NOODLE?

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 05:10 PM
Have we finalized the location for residence of Jesse G? I know our last go-round we showed two addresses:

One on Lake Marsha Drive that he listed on his initial written statement to LE.

The second location is identified as Arden Villas. His recorded transcript on 7/23 he states on May 31st he lived at Arden Villas where he met Tony for the frist time at the pool.

Is it possible he lived there for a period then moved to Lake Marsha Drive? vice versa?

bullet225ho
10-20-2008, 05:12 PM
OK, Lets get something straight, If you look at this posting above it looks like Casey took a break from calling people.

But what is not said is that times in between those listed above, she is "TEXTING", So why do you want to say the she did not use her phone.

Come on folks, let's get it together.

During these times she may have gotten a call, or recieved a text. But she did not reply.

Yes, there are pings in between these times, but KC herself was not initiating these pings. so, she could be where the phone is pinging...she may not. All I was pointing out is ping or no ping, she was not actually using her phone during those times.

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 05:15 PM
Its going to take more time to figure out how to filter if incoming calls go to vmail or actually get answered by Casey.

One way to do it is filter out all those calls which don't ping to a celltower.

Then there are only a handful of voicemail calls that ping. Easy to delete manually in Excel by searching (of a copy of the log, of course).

ElizaAvalon
10-20-2008, 05:25 PM
OK, Lets get something straight, If you look at this posting above it looks like Casey took a break from calling people.

But what is not said is that times in between those listed above, she is "TEXTING", So why do you want to say the she did not use her phone.

Come on folks, let's get it together.

I think if it's worded a little differently it makes more sense. In the examples given, she is not texting, she is receiving incoming texts.

We don't know that Casey is physically holding her phone when she gets incoming texts. She might be, but we don't know that. Outgoing texts, yes. She has to physically do the typing and sending.

So Incoming texts can be construed as inactivity because for all we know she might at that moment be driving around the airport looking for a hiding spot while her phone is sitting on her parents' dining room table.

What I'd like to see is the time differences between all of her outgoing calls (minus those that go to voicemail) and outgoing texts. That would be very interesting.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 05:31 PM
20 lashes with a WET NOODLE?
Lol. Let's make it 40 and we can move on! :)

mommya
10-20-2008, 05:34 PM
Have we finalized the location for residence of Jesse G? I know our last go-round we showed two addresses:

One on Lake Marsha Drive that he listed on his initial written statement to LE.

The second location is identified as Arden Villas. His recorded transcript on 7/23 he states on May 31st he lived at Arden Villas where he met Tony for the frist time at the pool.

Is it possible he lived there for a period then moved to Lake Marsha Drive? vice versa?

The Marsha Dr. address comes up when you search his dad too - so I think that's the G. family home.

david918
10-20-2008, 05:42 PM
I agree. All of these entries have me confused on the single day threads. :waitasec:

I too agree but also remember that you should watch for originating SMS as terminating SMS will happen even if KC is not using phone.

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 05:44 PM
The Marsha Dr. address comes up when you search his dad too - so I think that's the G. family home.

He wrote the 7000 Lake Marsha Drive address on his July 16th written statement to LE. It's likely that he moved prior to this...He had left his job on/around June 24th and there was quite a bit of talk of him moving to Georgia where his brother lives. Hmmm...Not sure how else we can find out.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1473812/Statement---Grund-Jesse---Written-Statement-2008-0716

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 05:59 PM
Have you guys been able to determine WW's phone number? There is discussion on another forum that there are calls between KC and him as far back as June 20th but in his statement to LE he says that the first time he met her (face-to-face) was July 4th.

ETA - Also - Are there any unidentified numbers she called on July 8th? Remember KioMarie said that a Casey called her on July 8th asking to borrow money and then she backtracked and said it wasn't this KC but a Casey W.

shadow of my mind
10-20-2008, 05:59 PM
Total Activity On Cell Tower 11
Lee Vista & Goldenrod 2 mi SW of Anthony Home

6/14/08
9:41PM –9:48PM
INCOMING TEXT 9:41 PM short number text? To Casey A.
OUTGOING TEXT 9:41 PM short number text? From Casey A.
INCOMING TEXT 9:41 PM short number text? To Casey A.
OUTGOING TEXT 9:42 PM short number text? From Casey
INCOMING TEXT 9:47 PM From Tony L. To Casey A.
OUTGOING TEXT 9:48 PM From Casey A. To Tony L.

6/15/08
1:15AM-1:36AM
INCOMING TEXT 1:15 AM short number text? To Casey A.
INCOMING TEXT 1:36 AM From Tony L. To Casey A.

8:14PM- 10:43PM
INCOMING TEXT 8:14 PM .
INCOMING TEXT 8:14 PM From Amy H. To Casey A..
UNKNOWN 8:14 PM From Casey A. To Tony L.
OUTGOING TEXT 8:19 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:21 PM From Tony L. To Casey A.
OUTGOING TEXT 8:23 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
OUTGOING TEXT 8:33 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:40 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING CALL 8:48 PM From Casey A. To Unknown
INCOMING TEXT 8:51 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 8:53 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 8:54 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 8:56 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:07 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 9:08 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:10 PM short number text? From Casey A.
INCOMING TEXT 9:16 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
OUTGOING TEXT 9:25 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 9:26 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 9:26 PM From Tony L. To Casey A
INCOMING TEXT 10:43 PM From Tony L. To Casey A

6/17/08
3:53PM- 3:54PM
OUTGOING TEXT 3:53 PM From Casey A. To Tony L
INCOMING TEXT 3:54 PM From Tony L. To Casey A

6/27/08
11:28AM
INCOMING TEXT 11:28 AM From Tony L. To Casey A

7/1/08
7:36PM
OUTGOING TEXT 7:36 PM From Casey A. To Tony L


Make of it what you will.

My first thought: Casey is at Hopespring address and this tower picks up excess traffic
The most activity is Father's Day evening...possible overflow due to heavy cell phone use?

Second thought: This may be Casey’s ‘go to spot’ private place that would end up oinging off of this tower

TexasLil
10-20-2008, 06:04 PM
Have you guys been able to determine WW's phone number? There is discussion on another forum that there are calls between KC and him as far back as June 20th but in his statement to LE he says that the first time he met her (face-to-face) was July 4th.

Yep... 321-2XX-9971

To much activity post 7/5 to post here but this is consistent with his 7/4 statement.

Meagain
10-20-2008, 06:08 PM
With 9 pages here and hundreds of ping posts elsewhere......

Have we at all nailed down when she might've killed her or disposed of a body? I never see any dates coming out of these threads. Is there any general consensus or is this just going round and round in minutia?

dreamerlin
10-20-2008, 06:19 PM
With 9 pages here and hundreds of ping posts elsewhere......

Have we at all nailed down when she might've killed her or disposed of a body? I never see any dates coming out of these threads. Is there any general consensus or is this just going round and round in minutia?


You know what they say: The devil's in the details. Uh, somewhere...
I applaud you people for all this intricate, tedious work you are doing. A path is being built.

david918
10-20-2008, 06:26 PM
3833 is a Taxi Company
5765 is a Back line to Gentiva (CA's employer)
The 9899 and 9999 numbers are ATT numbers used for transferring data.

So much good work going on here and dont want to sound negative but ATT or prior Cingular does not reserve the 9899 or 9999 numbers for anything. Try calling one of these from your own area and you can see. Take your current cell phone number and change the last four digits to 9999 and chances are you will reach someone. Now there are local business and sometimes govt agencies that will request these numbers for various reasons. I know in some towns the local time and temperature number ends with 9999.

The data portion of your cell phone service gets 'tunneled' over your radio connection ie: the frequency between your handset and the tower.
One method for this is known as GPRS (General Packet Radio Service) at the tower site the data is then back hauled to the nearest switching station and the voice calls are sent to the public switched telephone network and the data packets are sent to the Internet. SMS, Email, MMS all use GPRS. IMEO the numbers ending in 9999 or 9899 could be valid numbers but at this time are "not in service". No real way to tell if they were in service prior.

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 06:31 PM
You know what they say: The devil's in the details. Uh, somewhere...
I applaud you people for all this intricate, tedious work you are doing. A path is being built.

There is a huge amount of data that is being gathered, spreadsheets are being built, maps are being made and then there are the inconsistent statements that have to be researched and then that data has to be entered into the spreadsheets.

Once that is done, that's is when you might be able to find an answer.

My hat goes off to everyone in gathering the information and putting it in one place, that is a monumental task.

Thanks everyone...............:thumb:

Pink Panther
10-20-2008, 06:38 PM
There is a Hugh amount of data that is being gathered, spreadsheets are being built, maps are being made and then there are the inconsistent statements that have to be researched and then that data has to be entered into the spreadsheets.

Once that is done, that's is when you might be able to find an answer.

My hat goes off to everyone in gathering the information and putting it in one place, that is a monumental task.

Thanks everyone...............:thumb:

NOW you really have me confused! Who is Hugh??? I don't think I've ever seen him mentioned anywhere. Another cop?








Jokes Aside - I second the thanks and want to add that this is the first thread I check when I log in every day...I am in awe of what you guys are doing and it's great to have the opportunity to analyze and discuss the facts. :)

shadow of my mind
10-20-2008, 06:41 PM
Have you guys been able to determine WW's phone number? There is discussion on another forum that there are calls between KC and him as far back as June 20th but in his statement to LE he says that the first time he met her (face-to-face) was July 4th.

ETA - Also - Are there any unidentified numbers she called on July 8th? Remember KioMarie said that a Casey called her on July 8th asking to borrow money and then she backtracked and said it wasn't this KC but a Casey W.

I did not see any calls back that far to WW. Fisrt time is on 7/5 unless is has a landline we have not identified yet. First time meeting her was the party on July 4th.
But there are calls past July 4th and text also. His statement was he only spoke to her once after July 4th and a few text back and forth. Just could never get together.

WW statement does not jive with Casey's phone calls as far as I can tell. I need to find out what tower would ping from Lake Eola that she was suppose to have been at for the fireworks on July 4th. WW stated she was on the phone with Tony L. the entire time.

The Tower that is pinging from 6:31 to midnight on July 4th is Towers 33,34,38. I don't know yet if these towers would cover that area.

As far as Kiomarie, yes, there is one call that the number is still unknown yet. -July 8th 5:08PM unknow outgoing call 9232 off tower #45

david918
10-20-2008, 06:47 PM
Here are three more numbers to add to the missing list:

(X21) 948-0081
(X21) 663-0990 Found - Adam ?
(X07) 647-0001

x07-647-0001 comes up as:
Benton, Steven Audiology Consultants of America
4375 Orlando Avenue
Maitland, FL 32751
Wk: x07-647-4114
Fax: x07-647-0001

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 06:48 PM
NOW you really have me confused! Who is Hugh??? I don't think I've ever seen him mentioned anywhere. Another cop?



Jokes Aside - I second the thanks and want to add that this is the first thread I check when I log in every day...I am in awe of what you guys are doing and it's great to have the opportunity to analyze and discuss the facts. :)

Sorry, mind is going faster than my hands. I corrected it.....LOL

david918
10-20-2008, 06:52 PM
x07-647-0001 comes up as:
Benton, Steven Audiology Consultants of America
4375 Orlando Avenue
Maitland, FL 32751
Wk: x07-647-4114
Fax: x07-647-0001

Both missing numbers are at the same location. One number is a fax line.

Georgia PI
10-20-2008, 07:09 PM
both missing numbers are at the same location. One number is a fax line.

Super Nails (Waterford Lakes Town Center)

463 N Alafaya Trl
Orlando Fl 32828
x07-647-4114

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=463+n+alafaya+trl,+orlando+fl+32828&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=image

http://www.octaxcol.com/OclWeeklyReports/OccLicRep2006/olnbl20060626-30.pdf

Themis
10-20-2008, 07:10 PM
BOGGY CREEK ROAD may become very important.:eek::eek:

Remember when the grand jury indictment came down and Cindy took KC on the scenic route from Baez's office to wherever (home) (jail)? Well, the road they took was Boggy Creek Road. Some posters were thinking KC might be "saying goodbye" to Caylee in some symbolic way or showing Cindy where, generally, Casey was buried. They stopped under an overpass and switched cars ... on Boggy Creek Road. Further, there were pings in this area on the suspicious dates when we think KC disposed of Caylee.

The new witness that surfaced last week saw KC coming out of the woods carrying a shovel at the end of June on Boggy Creek Road.

Boggy Creek Road is adjacent to Orlando International Airport.

Boggy Creek Road would have been too wet to search right after the hurricanes.

This was on the daily updates 10-20-08.

BUSINESS JOINING SEARCH FOR CAYLEE

Even some business leaders are getting involved in the search for Caylee's body. Top management at Manheim Auto Auction in Orange County say they'll help an employee search in the woods off Boggy Creek Road near Orlando International Airport.

An employee named Paul Kovach called Eyewitness News last week saying he saw a woman who looked like Casey Anthony leave the woods with a shovel back in June.

Manheim and WFTV are owned by the same company.

Themis
10-20-2008, 07:12 PM
With 9 pages here and hundreds of ping posts elsewhere......

Have we at all nailed down when she might've killed her or disposed of a body? I never see any dates coming out of these threads. Is there any general consensus or is this just going round and round in minutia?

Murdered on June 15th or 16th. Disposed out of the car trunk or off the Anthony family home premises, sometime between June 24th and 27th. Try the 27th first since that seems to be the most popular "consensus."

TexasLil
10-21-2008, 09:24 AM
x07-647-0001 comes up as:
Benton, Steven Audiology Consultants of America
4375 Orlando Avenue
Maitland, FL 32751
Wk: x07-647-4114
Fax: x07-647-0001

Wow, so many possibilities for one number. When you call the number it doesn't go to a fax machine but goes to voice mail instead. I jut googled and came up with another possibility.

Healing Touch
Altamonte Springs
FL 32714
(X07)647-0001

Healing touch (HT) is a combination of hands-on and off-body techniques to influence the flow of energy through a person's biofield. It was developed by Janet Mentgen. HT and the Kreiger-Kunz Method of Therapeutic Touch seem to be the most common forms of biofield therapies or energy-based therapy involving the practitioner's use of mental intention and the placement of hands in specific sequences either on the body or above it in the recipient's energy field.

TexasLil
10-21-2008, 09:48 AM
Wow, so many possibilities for one number. When you call the number it doesn't go to a fax machine but goes to voice mail instead. I jut googled and came up with another possibility.

Healing Touch
Altamonte Springs
FL 32714
(X07)647-0001

Healing touch (HT) is a combination of hands-on and off-body techniques to influence the flow of energy through a person's biofield. It was developed by Janet Mentgen. HT and the Kreiger-Kunz Method of Therapeutic Touch seem to be the most common forms of biofield therapies or energy-based therapy involving the practitioner's use of mental intention and the placement of hands in specific sequences either on the body or above it in the recipient's energy field.


And yet another possibility
Simmons, M. (X07) 647-0001
Praxis Technology Inc.

BondJamesBond
10-21-2008, 09:49 AM
ETA - Also - Are there any unidentified numbers she called on July 8th? Remember KioMarie said that a Casey called her on July 8th asking to borrow money and then she backtracked and said it wasn't this KC but a Casey W.
*snipped*

Thanks for the reminder, Pink, kinda guilty pleasure looking that one up :)

Search of Casey's log for Kio's # per LE statement (407) 4##-9966 yields:

0 calls to this #, and, 0 calls from this #

Search of Casey's log for Kio's Fiance's # provided to LE (407) 92#-1683 yields:

0 calls to this #, and, 1 call from this #...7/17 10:40PM duration 25mins

BondJamesBond
10-21-2008, 09:53 AM
*snipped*

Thanks for the reminder, Pink, kinda guilty pleasure looking that one up :)

Search of Casey's log for Kio's # per LE statement (407) 4##-9966 yields:

0 calls to this #, and, 0 calls from this #

Search of Casey's log for Kio's Fiance's # provided to LE (407) 92#-1683 yields:

0 calls to this #, and, 1 call from this #...7/17 10:40PM duration 25mins

TexasLil: BTW...I didn't see these #'s in the phone table. You wanna add'em for completeness sake?

BondJamesBond
10-21-2008, 10:02 AM
One way to do it is filter out all those calls which don't ping to a celltower.

Then there are only a handful of voicemail calls that ping. Easy to delete manually in Excel by searching (of a copy of the log, of course).

...this is next on my list ElizaAvalon. I'll overlay another filter to add to all "outgoing" activities those incoming calls that have a duration >0. I think that should do it.

TexasLil
10-21-2008, 10:06 AM
TexasLil: BTW...I didn't see these #'s in the phone table. You wanna add'em for completeness sake?

Kio was alredy on the list and I've just added her fiance. Thanks for finding this one.

BondJamesBond
10-21-2008, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the welcome. Have been reading here for years and just got the guts to join.

Do we know who might be in Missouri? seems like an odd place to call.

816-268
City, State KANSAS CITY, MO
County JACKSON
Provider Everest Connections Corporation - Mo
Line Type LandLine

TexasLil:
I took a quick look @ this one. The only activity I see of it is an incoming call on 7/16 w/ duration of 35 seconds. I suspect this is possibly telemarketing.

kiki the parrot
10-21-2008, 10:08 AM
Sorry I know this must have been asked, I can't find an answer but was wondering what makes LE think KC kept her cell w her? Are they just hoping she was not smart enough to leave it across town? It just seems crazy, that she or anybody trying to conceal their movement would take along their cell these days w all the stories we hear... JMHO

Georgia PI
10-21-2008, 10:12 AM
Sorry I know this must have been asked, I can't find an answer but was wondering what makes LE think KC kept her cell w her? Are they just hoping she was not smart enough to leave it across town? It just seems crazy, that she or anybody trying to conceal their movement would take along their cell these days w all the stories we hear...

It's possible that she may have left it behind, but if you look at the records, she is a cell calling / cell texting fanatic.

TexasLil
10-21-2008, 10:25 AM
TexasLil:
I took a quick look @ this one. The only activity I see of it is an incoming call on 7/16 w/ duration of 35 seconds. I suspect this is possibly telemarketing.

Well, if all else fails,,, call the darn number. The voice mail was one of Amy with Pinnacle Career Institute. I wonder if Casey had a resume on Monster or other job search sites. Any one have a Monster search membership?

bullet225ho
10-21-2008, 10:25 AM
Didn't she leave it behind at AL's house when CA picked her up?

treeseeker
10-21-2008, 10:33 AM
Well, if all else fails,,, call the darn number. The voice mail was one of Amy with Pinnacle Career Institute. I wonder if Casey had a resume on Monster or other job search sites. Any one have a Monster search membership?

Could you link me or pm me the whole 816-268 number? the exchange looks familiar

ElizaAvalon
10-21-2008, 10:35 AM
...this is next on my list ElizaAvalon. I'll overlay another filter to add to all "outgoing" activities those incoming calls that have a duration >0. I think that should do it.

Well, it would not be all OUTGOING calls to voicemail with duration >0. Some of the calls are her actually calling her voicemail to listen to them. You definitely do not want to miss those because she has to physically dial the phone which means she is physically at the location being pinged.

What you want to look for is the distinct voicecall-to-voicemail pattern of 2 calls, one incoming, one outgoing to voicemail, both at the same exact datetime, same duration. For these calls, she does not need to be physically with the phone.

ElizaAvalon
10-21-2008, 10:36 AM
TexasLil:
I took a quick look @ this one. The only activity I see of it is an incoming call on 7/16 w/ duration of 35 seconds. I suspect this is possibly telemarketing.

Could be media, too.

Or, a WSer, LOL!

Remember, this is the day she was arrested.

Georgia PI
10-21-2008, 10:41 AM
Didn't she leave it behind at AL's house when CA picked her up?

Yes, when CA went with Amy to find KC, she did leave it there, LE went and picked it up, later LA went and retrieved her other belongings.

bullet225ho
10-21-2008, 10:51 AM
Do we know anyone from Yuma AZ in this case?

wedavis
10-21-2008, 10:53 AM
Thanks for the welcome. Have been reading here for years and just got the guts to join.

Do we know who might be in Missouri? seems like an odd place to call.

816-268
City, State KANSAS CITY, MO
County JACKSON
Provider Everest Connections Corporation - Mo
Line Type LandLine


I live in MO. Everest is a cable, internet, phone provider.

treeseeker
10-21-2008, 11:08 AM
I live in MO. Everest is a cable, internet, phone provider.

This is the number
http://www.pcitraining.edu/00-kansas-city-campus.asp

liltigress
10-21-2008, 11:41 AM
Throwing out another thought.

It's possible to call your voice mail from a different phone. Say, like if Casey misplaced her phone and used Tony's phone to check for messages. This happens more often than one would think. I don't know how that would show up on her bill or if it would.

AZlawyer
10-21-2008, 05:35 PM
Did anyone notice the phone book entry "zan" in RM's phone?

http://www.patriotstoolbox.org/pdfs/Pages%201310-1315%20-%20RM(2).pdf

"zan 978-***-9014"

Does this number show up at all in Casey's cell records?

TexasLil
10-21-2008, 05:50 PM
Did anyone notice the phone book entry "zan" in RM's phone?

http://www.patriotstoolbox.org/pdfs/Pages%201310-1315%20-%20RM(2).pdf

"zan 978-***-9014"

Does this number show up at all in Casey's cell records?

The number does not show up in Casey's cell records post 6/15 (we have these in Excel). Can someone check the logs prior to that date manually?

bullet225ho
10-21-2008, 05:54 PM
I can look tomorrow. they are on my work pc

TexasLil
10-21-2008, 06:10 PM
The number does not show up in Casey's cell records post 6/15 (we have these in Excel). Can someone check the logs prior to that date manually?

Actually I went ahead and dowloaded the 6/1 through 6/14 logs and manually scanned. I do not see the 9014 number.

Georgia PI
10-21-2008, 06:39 PM
Check out this thread, they are asking the same type of questions we are.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68970

mysterycat
10-21-2008, 07:12 PM
Did you all check out the rumours thread - in the latest globe article there is interesting info from LP regarding the location where KC may have disposed of the body. Just wondering if that info corresponds with the cell phone pings