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Georgia PI
10-21-2008, 11:57 PM
Ping Map for July 2, 2008 - Discuss that day only


I have requested this thread because the information of that day's event's are getting scattered throuout the pings thread and is making it difficult to keep up with the informaion

Warning - Please discuss that days events only here.

Ping Map for July 2, 2008

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&ll=28.560099,-81.297798&spn=0.134791,0.346069&t=h&z=12&msid=103915041605280294744.000459ce351ab93d5d96f

AZlawyer
10-22-2008, 01:31 PM
Wow...that ping 2 in the very very early morning is interesting.

Georgia PI
10-22-2008, 02:53 PM
From the Calendar


Casey driving Tony's Jeep (AL interview)


Casey at Amy's

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
Casey spends this time sleeping at Amy's, without Caylee. (AH interview, pg. 20, lines 13-22). She mentions this date corrects the date she gave in her first affidavit. *Note* Times are mine.


Cindy on Vacation
Cindy takes the entire week off work.


Amy H. Says: Her & Casey went to Voyage, Makos and back to Voyage and then home

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Amy and Casey go to a couple of clubs. Went to Voyage then to Macos and back to Voyage and then home. [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
Page 1047 Lines 11 & Lines 3-5 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf


Casey washes clothes at Ricardo's/Amy's

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
Ricardo wakes (in the am) to find Casey washing clothes (he does not see what she is washing, she comes up from basement and reports that she is washing clothes). (Ricardo interview pg 20 line 23) He later catches a flight to Boston.


KC and AH Text Messages 7/2/08

07-02-2008
*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
First initials are who received the text message; second initials are who sent the text message

KC AH Still gasy.

AH KC 07/02 6:50 PM Not good. Still hungry. I’m going to eat soon.

AH KC 07/02 9:51 PM How’s the close looking?

KC AH Should be done a little after 11.

AH KC 07/02 10:15 PM Alright cool. I’ll kill time until then.

KC AH If you just want to come here at 1115 we can go to the boys and get me ready.

AH KC 07/02 10:17 PM Sounds like a plan love.

*As organized by QuietStorm from AH's incoming and outgoing text message dump released to the public as discovery evidence
*AH's outgoing messages are undated in the discovery document so there is a slight margin of sorting error; however, the messages nearly always follow a chronological order



Troy B. Says: Ricardo took a flight to Boston that night


*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Melissa E. flew in Tuesday night [Tuesday is actually the July 1] Troy B. was actually dropping Ricardo M. off at the airport to go to Boston and they went out that night to Voyage then Maco’s and the Voyage. Casey met Melissa E. at [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
Page 1327 Line 16-& Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf


Amy H. Says: This is day Casey stole the 400.00 from her

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Amy say is the day Casey stole the $400.00 from her.
Page 1057 Lines 12, 17-24 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf


Amy and Casey party

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Amy and Casey go to a couple of clubs. Went to Voyage then to Macos and back to Voyage and then home. [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
Page 1047 Lines 11 & Lines 3-5 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008


Troy B. Says: Casey went to Voyage, Makos & back to Voyage, met Melissa 1st time

07-02-2008
*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Melissa E. flew in Tuesday night [Tuesday is actually the July 1] Troy B. was actually dropping Ricardo M. off at the airport to go to Boston and they went out that night to Voyage then Maco’s and the Voyage. Casey met Melissa E. at [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
Page 1327 Line 16-& Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf


Amy thinks this is the night 400 dollars stolen

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Amy say is the day Casey stole the $400.00 from her.
Page 1057 Lines 12, 17-24 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008


Diary of Days

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
Casey creates file "Diary of Days" at 10:51am (page 9 of computer forensics)


Casey's Online Presence

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
Casey wrote to Troy:

Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 1:46pm on July 2nd, 2008
you taking a cab tonight?


Tony's sister's facebook wall:
Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 1:01am on July 2nd, 2008
take care of your brother. it's sad...but i can't wait for him to come back home.


Casey Anthony wrote to Cameron
at 1:22pm on July 2nd, 2008
aw, well you have to come back


Casey Anthony wrote to Cameron
at 8:45am on July 2nd, 2008
dude, how's ohio?


KC's Receipts (Provided by LA)

*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2:

Ross AWL @8:06 pm cash $37.23

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/la092308.pdf


Ricardo M. Says: Left for Boston, at airport 4:00PM

07-02-2008
*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
July 2 Ricardo left for Boston on a delay flight at 7:30PM was at the airport at 4:00PM
Page 1300 Lines 17-24 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf


Casey driving TonE's jeep 30 june~5 July: per Amy

This event occurs every 1 day(s)
06-30-2008 to 07-05-2008
12:00 AM to 12:00 AM
June 30-July 5 Amy said Casey was driving Tony’s jeep
Page 1044 Lines 24-25 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008


Amy H. Says: Casey had Tony's jeep

This event occurs every 1 day(s)
06-30-2008 to 07-05-2008
09:30 AM to 09:30 AM
June 30-July 5 Amy said Casey was driving Tony’s jeep
Page 1044 Lines 24-25 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf



Tony L. Says: He was in New York

This event occurs every 1 day(s)
06-30-2008 to 07-05-2008
11:00 AM to 11:00 AM
June 30-July 5th Tony L. was in NY. Flight departed mid-morning on the June 30th and arrived on July 5th before it was dark no time given
Page 1016- 1017 Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf


Sean D saw Casey in tattoo shop, later she met Lake Vaj friends at WW to chill

07-02-2008 12:00 PM to 11:00 PM
per Sean D interview, Casey came into tattoo shop in (morning?) while he was getting a tattoo, she was going to make an appointment. Sean says she then met with him and friends at Wild Wings later to chill.


Ricardo in Boston

Ricardo spends time in Boston (RM interview, p. 21, line 17 through p. 22, line 7)



Amy H. Says: Casey spent every night with her 6/30-7/4

This event occurs every 1 day(s)
06-30-2008 to 07-04-2008
11:00 PM to 11:00 PM
June 30-July 4 Amy thinks Casey spent every single night with her [232 N Glenwood Ave Orlando, FL 32803]
Page 1045 Lines 13-17 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf

AZlawyer
10-28-2008, 08:28 PM
So on the morning of July 2 she takes Tony's jeep out in what she would consider the middle of the night (before 5 am) (ping 2), then comes back and washes clothes, then writes Diary of Days, then makes a tattoo appointment for the next day (pings before 7 pm)? This may be a more important day than I thought.....

shadow of my mind
11-16-2008, 10:53 PM
I think Caylee was placed in the trunk either right at death and stayed there for 2.6 days, removed and placed in a sealed container and then in that container put back in the trunk. Or was hidden somewhere, placed in the trunk at the time of 2.6 days of decomp, transported to the A's and placed into a sealed container and then disposed of at a later date. I also think she was moved more than once. I also think that a chlorine bucket would seal tight enough to keep the odor of a dead body contained. They smell like chlorine but I think that may be because it is a caustic chemical. A body is not caustic like chlorine and would not leach out through the plastic like chlorine does, at least not in a relativity short period of time. There is also the possibility of an ice chest. They are made of heavy plastic and the newer ones have lock down lids.

Something caused Casey to have night swears starting at least by July 5 as per Tony. They may have started right after he left on June 30th but she was not having then prior to him leaving on June 30th.
What caused them to start? I would think that had she already disposed of poor Caylee right after the 2.6 days then there would not be the 2 or more week delay in the night sweating sleeping problems.
I think that Casey ended up having to handle her dead body or at least see what it looked like many days after the 2.6 time frame time, close to June 30th maybe a few days before; long enough to have it affect her mind during her sleep.

I just cannot pinpoint what day was the day she finally disposed of her body or where. Casey actions with her cell phone point to a couple of different days and several different locations that are outside her normal travel. I will hazard to say between June 24 and July 3 as the final disposal. Prior to that I am having trouble with Casey riding around with a dead body in the trunk, in a container or not, but I am not sure where she would be hidden otherwise. Casey was not a planner and obviously felt that everyone believed whatever she told anyone but ….I just thought of something….. Did Casey have Caylee hidden in Ricardo’s garage inside of some container?

Casey came walking up from the garage Casey said she had been washing clothes.
Page 1300 Lines 9-12 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf

I went back and re-read this part Ricardo leaves for work about 10:35 or 10:40 and he noticed Casey was not on the couch but he saw her coming from the garage so that is how he knew she had stayed over night July 1 for him to see her the morning of July 2.

7/2/08 WED 1:42 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 4:01 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 9286 Casey A. 0.7 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 4:48 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
7/2/08 WED 4:48 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
7/2/08 WED 4:50 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 8191 Ryan P. No Long/Lat Association
7/2/08 WED 4:50 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 8191 Ryan P. 1.0 Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
7/2/08 WED 7:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 7:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 7:46 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 7:47 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 7:49 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 7:50 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 8:01 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 4909 Anthony Home 22.3 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 9:01 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 8750 Ricardo M. Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 9:16 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 8750 Ricardo M. Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 9:53 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 10:29 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) 0.7 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
7/2/08 WED 11:11 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House

Casey checks her voice mail at 4:01AM off of tower 37, Amy & Ricardo’s and goes to the vicinity of tower 22, the A’s and then makes a text to Tony at 4:48AM off of tower 22, then the last one to Ryan P. at 4:50AM off tower 37 and then no activity again until 7:44AM back at tower 37, Amy & Ricardo’s so that means that she was up and out and somewhere in the area of the Anthony home for at least 45 minuets if not longer. Ricardo is correct about seeing Casey at his place before going to work since she made a phone call at 10:29AM to Tony. This time coincides with the time he would be going out to get in his car for work. Casey’s phone activity is so strange even for her from June 30th through the early evening of July 4th.



I keep trying to reconcile the dog hits in the back yard with the shovel with the race to the car trunk with George to the cell pings and the dumping the car on June 27 and still wanting a gas can on June 30th from Amy.

There is something about this night that is important. She is also back down by the mall in the early evening, then all the way up toward the A's then back to the Fusion area and end up back at Amy and Ricardo's. She even texted Amy to find out when
Amy was going to be leaving work.. She did not want to be alone?

So if she was not at the A's and Lee has never said she was at his place in the middle of the night on July 2 then where was she for those 45 minuets pinging off of tower 22.

Does anyone have any idea the ping radius distance is off of that tower and how to find the direction based on those handy dandy CID numbers that make no sense to me. I want to find out what is in that radius and then I would love to figure out how far she could get if she turned her phone off and went somewhere that we have not even thought of. Take the time from about 5AM to 7:45Am and divide in half. How far out could she have gone and then gotten back?

JWG
01-02-2010, 11:51 PM
An intriguing day. Here are some cell pings that have piqued my interest:

12:14:11 PM Ricardo's
12:22:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
12:32:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
12:43:00 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
1:05:06 PM Ricardo's

The pings from the "Area consistent with Baez Orlando office" are rare even though Baez's Orlando office is just 1.5 miles from Ricardo's. Other than a brief ping the afternoon of July 15, these are the only pings consistent with that location (during business hours).

So if KC met with Baez on the 2nd ... why. :waitasec:

JWG
03-12-2010, 12:20 AM
I wanted to open a thread to drill down on the observations many have made in the past regarding the odd trip KC took to her parent's neighborhood in the wee hours of July 2. Most recently Bond and AZlawyer have revisited this event and helped crystallize it by putting it in perspective with other things happening around that time.

Sleuth away!

JWG
03-12-2010, 12:24 AM
Quoting from the sources:


AZ: Some things I'd appreciate your thoughts on if it isn't too far OT for this thread. May need to take up on the ping threads. Maybe these are related.

1) Something happened @ 12:13AM on Wed. 7/2. Home phone flurry-called Casey 7 times in 18 mins. All went to vmail.

2) I may have an error, but I'm showing a few mins after Casey talked to Tony (in NY) she ckd her vmail, then @ 4:48AM pinged near G&C's where she placed 2 calls to Ryan, then received the return call from Ryan. Casey talked to Ryan for 14 mins from this location before the call ends and she apparently showed up again back @ Amy's. I'd really like to hear back from you or JWG on this 'cause IF this isn't an error... you know what I'm thinking.

3) Casey INITIATED a call and talked to Cindy (i assume) for a 22 min call Wed. 7/2 @ 8:01A. The next thing Casey did was call Ryan for a short convo or msg.

Cindy's landmark call to Ryan @ 9:55AM on Thu 7/3 appears amidst Cindy's failed attempts to reach Casey (except for a single text).

Methinks Casey's 14 min convo with Ryan was probably quite remarkable, and Casey may have made a general passing reference to it to Cindy in their 22 min convo (e.g. "I'm stressed, I talked to Ryan and it helped a little...poor me)". So, when Cindy's Groundhog Day started again on 7/3 she recalled Casey's comment :idea: and got out the address book to call Ryan...then...allhell broke loose ;)

Waiting intently on your reply...esp. re: ping location confirmation.



Yes, you are completely right about Casey's 4-5 AM trip to the area of the A house in the early morning of July 2 (in Tony's Jeep, presumably), following the insane midnight flurry of calls to her from the house phone. This (July 2) is also the morning that Ricardo said he saw Casey come in from his garage, saying she was washing clothes. After that, she wrote or copy-pasted from somewhere (but didn't post on MySpace yet) the Diary of Days poem, and later went to the tattoo place to make her appointment for the next day.

IMHO, whatever Casey did from 4-5 AM on July 2 convinced her that she had solved her problem, hence the Diary of Days and tattoo appointment. And whatever she did was triggered by the midnight messages left by her parents. And whatever she did was probably also connected with the phone calls with Ryan. :waitasec:

Maybe this is connected too: A few hours before the midnight flurry of calls to Casey from the house, she pinged around the Anthony home from 7:00-7:20 pm (again, presumably using Tony's Jeep), CALLED RYAN, then drove south toward nowhere important, then was back near the house 7:40 pm-7:50 pm, THEN GOT A CALL FROM THE HOUSE, then pinged near the airport, then back at the house from about 8:10-8:45 pm. I could never figure out why she went down there (repeatedly) when she should have known Cindy was home. Also, although she wouldn't have known this perhaps, this was George's first day "between jobs," so BOTH of her parents would have been home. But maybe if she was just going somewhere NEAR the house (like Suburban Drive), and was in a different car, she figured it would be OK. Maybe one of her parents saw her??

WTF??

AZ's "WTF??" is priceless, isn't it?

Imbackon
03-12-2010, 12:55 AM
Writing fro iPhone so this will be brief.
It's safe to say she was not there to dispose of Caylee at such a late date. I can't imagine she would risk going there for any reason of dumping something else unless it is to add false evidence like has been surmised. She was so sloppy I can't imagine she suddenly realized there was something left that would incrimnate since she left behind the Disney bag and other things from the house.
So what would she plant that has not shown up in doc dumps yet is the 64000 question?

JBean
03-12-2010, 12:58 AM
I moved the whole day's information down to this forum for awhile.

JWG
03-12-2010, 01:05 AM
Hey JBean, the reason I started the unique thread was because I think that trip is better understood in the context of June 1 and June 3, not just June 2. In fact, I was working on an updated timeline that crossed those days. Is it possible to restore that thread for a while to see where it goes?

TallyHo
03-12-2010, 01:05 AM
An intriguing day. Here are some cell pings that have piqued my interest:

12:14:11 PM Ricardo's
12:22:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
12:32:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
12:43:00 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
1:05:06 PM Ricardo's

The pings from the "Area consistent with Baez Orlando office" are rare even though Baez's Orlando office is just 1.5 miles from Ricardo's. Other than a brief ping the afternoon of July 15, these are the only pings consistent with that location (during business hours).

So if KC met with Baez on the 2nd ... why. :waitasec:

JWG - Did you ever figure out if she really did go to Baez's office that day, or just somewhere that was in the general area?

Imbackon
03-12-2010, 02:02 AM
JWG - Did you ever figure out if she really did go to Baez's office that day, or just somewhere that was in the general area?
I know atty RH intimated he thought it hinky how fast JB was on the case. He wrote in depth about it in his blog.
But what would Casey have said to some attorney
Ummm, I might be getting in trouble soon? You wouldn't tell even an attorney, my daughter has been kidnapped, I haven't told anyone yet, but in case I get arrested I think we need to talk? And she certainly wouldn't have said she murdered and disposed of her daughter prior to even the folks knowing she is missing.
Doesn't make sense.

ps. don't forget this is 10 minute KC, no planning needed

BondJamesBond
03-12-2010, 03:16 AM
So on the morning of July 2 she takes Tony's jeep out in what she would consider the middle of the night (before 5 am) (ping 2), then comes back and washes clothes, then writes Diary of Days, then makes a tattoo appointment for the next day (pings before 7 pm)? This may be a more important day than I thought.....



There is something about this night that is important. She is also back down by the mall in the early evening, then all the way up toward the A's then back to the Fusion area and end up back at Amy and Ricardo's. She even texted Amy to find out when
Amy was going to be leaving work.. She did not want to be alone?

So if she was not at the A's and Lee has never said she was at his place in the middle of the night on July 2 then where was she for those 45 minuets pinging off of tower 22.

Does anyone have any idea the ping radius distance is off of that tower and how to find the direction based on those handy dandy CID numbers that make no sense to me. I want to find out what is in that radius and then I would love to figure out how far she could get if she turned her phone off and went somewhere that we have not even thought of. Take the time from about 5AM to 7:45Am and divide in half. How far out could she have gone and then gotten back?*snipped*

AZ & Shadow...you guys had this nailed back in Oct/Nov '08 :clap:

I'm in the process of creating a custom ping map image that I'll post to illustrate what we're discussing.

BondJamesBond
03-12-2010, 03:34 AM
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq95/BondJamesBondWS/Slide1-41.jpg

The area shaded in red in the illustration above shows the area pinged @ 4:50AM 7/2 when Casey talked w/ Ryan. The illustration is a little simplified since I only extended the radius 1.5 miles away from the cell towers and the coverage can extend well beyond that range. I also didn't show the tower that is located south of G&C's for simplicity. Need to stress that this isn't conclusive...IOW, Casey could've been anywhere in the shaded area or even slightly beyond it in the same direction as shown...to a limit where other towers would be more likely to pick up & carry her calls.

One observation worth noting is that the disposal site (and Lee's house, and Brackenwood house) are slightly closer to the tower that carried the 4:50AM calls than the tower to the east shown with blue radii. This supports Casey being in the area of Lee's, Brackenwood, and G&C's houses somewhat since had she been closer to the 'blue' tower, it would've been more likely to carry the calls.

I also used Google to check the travel time per Shadow's thinking above. Depending on the route taken, the time to drive from Ricardo & Amy's Glenwood apt. to the Suburban Dr. disposal site ranges between 19-25 minutes. So, with the pings between the two locations being 46 minutes apart (4:02AM last ping @ R&M's & 4:48AM first ping in the sector shown), there was ample time to make the trip.

In context, IMHO, it is highly, highly likely Casey returned to the disposal site 7/2 sometime after 4:30AM.

zoey
03-12-2010, 08:40 AM
Haven't read all of the posts BUT has anyone considered that the reason for the hanging out by the a's could be looking for her car??--remember when c&g fetched it they took out the battery for some reason or another--

suepitzl
03-12-2010, 08:44 AM
This entry from Valhalls' site, adds more insight to this timeframe.
Chilling to say the least.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=383

Intermezzo
03-12-2010, 09:26 AM
So on the morning of July 2 she takes Tony's jeep out in what she would consider the middle of the night (before 5 am) (ping 2), then comes back and washes clothes, then writes Diary of Days, then makes a tattoo appointment for the next day (pings before 7 pm)? This may be a more important day than I thought.....

Can we speculate how long she may have remained in this area?
EDIT: Just read Shadows post....she may have been at the remains site for about 45mins?

Interesting, this is the day AH alleges Casey stole $400 cash from her then a few days later Casey takes Amy to the airport for the PR trip and proceeds to steal more from Amy in the way of checks..

Macushla
03-12-2010, 10:07 AM
Can we speculate how long she may have remained in this area?
EDIT: Just read Shadows post....she may have been at the remains site for about 45mins?

Interesting, this is the day AH alleges Casey stole $400 cash from her then a few days later Casey takes Amy to the airport for the PR trip and proceeds to steal more from Amy in the way of checks..

Is it possible she was planning to run? these early am wanderings were to check one final time that all was still covered or at least not uncovered. Then for some reason on the 3rd, she changed her mind?

knt
03-12-2010, 10:11 AM
IIRC, Scott P also returned to the scene. The police were having him tailed, he drove to the lake where he'd dumped Lacey, and sat there in his car staring out over the water for awhile. That helped nail him. A police interview I read mentioned that "they always return to the scene". That's why they were following him. I believe KC also was drawn to the scene, needed to drive by when it was safe, in TL's car at night. I'm thinking she at least drove by the scene, or possibly sat in the car there for awhile. Too bad LE wasn't aware at the time to have her followed. :(

headndownstream
03-12-2010, 10:43 AM
This entry from Valhalls' site, adds more insight to this timeframe.
Chilling to say the least.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=383

I went to this site, read down and became engrossed in it. Farther down the page, someone contributed her laptop history for the first week of July:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/laptophistory.csv

I tried to figure out if I could view some of the pages she had viewed. I didn't know how, but pasted some of the names of jpegs into google search.

One was the line 'lettherebelife-small.jpg' so I searched that. I clicked on the 3rd result, which said showed a little picture of 'sorry baby, pimps don't fall in love'. Then I realized it was a photobucket account named kcAnthonyspix's Profile.

Did I find her photobucket account? 2500 pictures, including some of Caylee? I've seen so many of the pictures before, but if felt creepy to possibly be in her old account. I thought it had been zapped long ago.

http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv223/kcAnthonypix/?action=view&current=Pimpsdontlove.jpg&sort=ascending

headndownstream
03-12-2010, 11:25 AM
Awww, I found one picture of Caylee I've never seen.

essies
03-12-2010, 11:31 AM
I went to this site, read down and became engrossed in it. Farther down the page, someone contributed her laptop history for the first week of July:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/laptophistory.csv

I tried to figure out if I could view some of the pages she had viewed. I didn't know how, but pasted some of the names of jpegs into google search.

One was the line 'lettherebelife-small.jpg' so I searched that. I clicked on the 3rd result, which said showed a little picture of 'sorry baby, pimps don't fall in love'. Then I realized it was a photobucket account named kcAnthonyspix's Profile.

Did I find her photobucket account? 2500 pictures, including some of Caylee? I've seen so many of the pictures before, but if felt creepy to possibly be in her old account. I thought it had been zapped long ago.

http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv223/kcAnthonypix/?action=view&current=Pimpsdontlove.jpg&sort=ascending

Very interesting! Did you notice the picture before the "pimps" picture is this one about "Bella"? I wonder if she (KC) is "Bella" and that speaks to her frame of mind at that time? I remember TL called her "Bella Mia" in a phone text once. Is there a way to find out when this was uploaded?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv223/kcAnthonypix/poorbella_thumb.png

TallyHo
03-12-2010, 11:33 AM
This entry from Valhalls' site, adds more insight to this timeframe.
Chilling to say the least.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=383

I had read that at the time Val posted it and had forgotten about it. How, I don't know, because it is one of the most compelling articles about this case that I have seen yet. Thanks for bringing it up! It speaks to the "haunted" and restless qualities that Casey was exhibiting at that exact point. I think it is telling that she called Ryan P as she was in the area of Caylee's body. He seemed to be one of the people who knew her best and she seemed to be trying to reach out to him after her mother had warned him that he shouldn't talk to her because she was a sociopath and had lied and stolen money (she even told him about her stealing from her grandmother - this was in Ryan's interview). Ryan said that she was confessing to him that she had been doing drugs - the exact wording was "pot and whatever else is around", and she was apologetic to him about it. That really makes me wonder if she really wasn't using more drugs than they have been able to prove at this point. Is it possible that she was panicked and thinking "Oh my God, what have I done??" and trying to get some answers/sympathy for herself from Ryan, without going "all the way" to telling him about Caylee?? A little bit like her confessing to be a bad mother, but not anything further.

headndownstream
03-12-2010, 11:49 AM
Yes Essie, I saw that and forgot, glad you did, because it made me wonder too.

I can't find a way to see when anything was uploaded to her site, but I imagine LE knows how. And I think if they can it could show what her state of mind was from day to day?

Actually this all should be in a photobucket thread because I don't want to get away from the ping map. It is interesting to revisit that subject.

I'm loving valhall's site and bookmarked it for further perusing.

belle3
03-14-2010, 02:37 PM
could this be the day that george says he followed her. all those late night phone calls to get in touch with her. maybe for an explanation as to whose car she was in and what she was up to? and then the following days myspace message from cindy. i always believe there was something significant that happened to warrant that message. is it possible that she put caylee in amys car and that was the day she decided to recover and dispose of her??

Just Jayla
03-15-2010, 07:53 PM
could this be the day that george says he followed her. all those late night phone calls to get in touch with her. maybe for an explanation as to whose car she was in and what she was up to? and then the following days myspace message from cindy. i always believe there was something significant that happened to warrant that message. is it possible that she put caylee in amys car and that was the day she decided to recover and dispose of her??

You got me wondering if Caylee was left at Suburban on this night/morning, too.

There were good discussions on this a while back that may help us to either debunk, or put together more puzzle pieces that support this theory. Will see what I can find and bump.

ExpectingUnicorns
03-15-2010, 09:16 PM
You got me wondering if Caylee was left at Suburban on this night/morning, too.

There were good discussions on this a while back that may help us to either debunk, or put together more puzzle pieces that support this theory. Will see what I can find and bump.

June 29th was widely speculated as a possible car chase date. Here's a good place to start:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74563&highlight=e-Pass&page=4

The World According
03-16-2010, 07:30 AM
JWG's post, HinkyMeter

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Nightmare on Suburban Street

Just Jayla
03-16-2010, 09:04 AM
JWG's post, HinkyMeter

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Nightmare on Suburban Street

Excellent stuff, huh? I like reading their work, it's becoming a morning coffee and read ritual :)

darnudes
03-19-2010, 12:38 AM
An intriguing day. Here are some cell pings that have piqued my interest:

12:14:11 PM Ricardo's
12:22:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
12:32:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
12:43:00 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
1:05:06 PM Ricardo's

The pings from the "Area consistent with Baez Orlando office" are rare even though Baez's Orlando office is just 1.5 miles from Ricardo's. Other than a brief ping the afternoon of July 15, these are the only pings consistent with that location (during business hours).

So if KC met with Baez on the 2nd ... why. :waitasec:

So what do you think now JWG - are you still thinking Casey was going by Baez's office?

nanny2five
03-20-2010, 12:11 PM
Is it possible she was planning to run? these early am wanderings were to check one final time that all was still covered or at least not uncovered. Then for some reason on the 3rd, she changed her mind?
it is possible that when she left the car at amscot she didnt mean to abandon it forever. maybe she planned to get some gas and pick it up to go on the lam. then the car was gone after she got the gas can on june 30 so she was trying to find it. if she would have found it at her parents its possible that she planned to sneek over in the middle of the night and take it being that she had the money she stole from amy. i have always wondered why she didnt take off before the you-know-what hit the fan, but running takes gas money which she didnt have. anyway, i dont think kc is smart enough to make it on the run. there are lots of ways to make a little cash as you go but i doubt she knew that. anyway that would require effort to find someone willing to pay cash. it just baffles me that she didnt just get a job. when i lived in central florida for a couple of years it was easy to get a job waiting tables and the tips were very good so she actually could have had a pretty good life with just a little bit of effort.

Jolynna
03-20-2010, 02:08 PM
So what do you think now JWG - are you still thinking Casey was going by Baez's office?

I'm interested in JWG's thoughts about this also.

Putting myself in Casey's shoes, I can see how finding the Pontiac "gone" on June 30 might have spooked her into seeking legal advice. If I'd left my car "parked" out of my boyfriend's sniffing range for a weekend and there was biological evidence from a dead body in my car trunk, I'd be physically ill from fear when I found out my car wasn't where I left it.

Jolynna
03-20-2010, 02:36 PM
it is possible that when she left the car at amscot she didnt mean to abandon it forever. maybe she planned to get some gas and pick it up to go on the lam. then the car was gone after she got the gas can on june 30 so she was trying to find it. if she would have found it at her parents its possible that she planned to sneek over in the middle of the night and take it being that she had the money she stole from amy. i have always wondered why she didnt take off before the you-know-what hit the fan, but running takes gas money which she didnt have. anyway, i dont think kc is smart enough to make it on the run. there are lots of ways to make a little cash as you go but i doubt she knew that. anyway that would require effort to find someone willing to pay cash. it just baffles me that she didnt just get a job. when i lived in central florida for a couple of years it was easy to get a job waiting tables and the tips were very good so she actually could have had a pretty good life with just a little bit of effort.

BBM

I used to think Casey meant to abandon her car forever. But, I changed my mind after finding out what was in the car (practically a map to where she was hiding out) and after finding out that Casey did contact friends to help her get the car.

Now, I think Casey really ran out of gas. And, that Casey procrastinated about getting the car because with her car gone, she wouldn't have to take Tony to the airport in it. Also she was going to have to finesse getting the Pontiac without anybody smelling the dead smell...possibly tricky. She probably was putting off the unpleasantness of smelling the smell herself and getting back to cleaning up the car. Plus, spending the weekend cementing her relationship with Tony before he went to NY without her was probably also a priority. I'm picturing hot sex followed by, "Do you love me?", "Are you coming back?" Tony said that Casey was very concerned about his trip. He admitted he contributed to her insecurities.

As far as going on the lam, I think Casey was fantasizing about it as a back-up plan. But, for the time being, the people that loved Caylee were successfully being held at bay with lies. They didn't know where Casey was hiding out. Casey was having fun pretending she was Tony's wife, the den mother to a house full of men, and a music-industry business partner. That "beautiful life" come true would have been hard for Casey to leave. Well, except for pushing back the worries about going to prison forever or worse if anybody found out she'd killed her baby. Although, I think Casey was/is a pro at disassociating.

imo

BondJamesBond
03-24-2010, 01:49 AM
Back to the Resource Links, etc. Forum w/ you July 2 ;)

eve80
08-18-2011, 08:13 PM
Sorry for the length of the following:

Hi All! I have spend countless hours reading your threads but only now decided to join the forum and post. You are a WONDERFUL group and you can tell than many of you spend a lot of time working on cases.

I realize this is an old thread but I couldn't help myself to add to it. To the pings on July 2nd. Dr. Werner Spitz, a forensic pathology expert, who testified on behalf of the defense, on June 18, 2011, stated: “It is my opinion that the duct tape was applied there after the skin had deteriorated, after the skin has decomposed.”

Do you think it is possible that KC had some time to think about the kidnapping scenario in her head and decided to come back to the scene to add the tape to the remains? We all saw movies where the kidnappers place tape over the victim’s mouth to keep them quiet. The tape stuck to the hair but not really much to the bone because she must had been terrified of touching the skull, so she haphazardly put the tape over the bones. Is Valhall correct stating she may have gotten some “evidence” to frame her ex-fiance?

In the autopsy report, John Shultz states: “It would be expected that decomposition of a small child in Florida that is deposited in an outdoor environment during the summer months would have occurred in less than a month and most likely within two weeks.” In addition, some of the bones were found away from the skull and have been determined to have been dragged away from the main spot when they still had soft tissue on them.

If KC went to the remains site on July 2nd, she would have found a nearly decomposed skull with many other parts of the body already missing. That definitely could have given her reason for the nightmares reported by Tony L, and give a good reason to make a “comforting” phone call to Ryan P. That could also be why the only time she turned her head away from the evidence is when they were showing the skull.

I wish the prosecution would have focused on this fact. This could have been the one and only evidence that places her at the remains site for a sustained period of time, under the cover of the night. She obviously didn’t visit Lee and Amy H. thought she was asleep with her, so there is no other reason for her to be there at 4 a.m. If she wanted to check out whether her car was at the Anthony’s house, she easily could have done that during the day, she was driving a car (Tony’s) that nobody would have recognized (her parents would have been at work, too).

SecretaryGal
10-05-2011, 02:36 PM
Sorry for the length of the following:

Hi All! I have spend countless hours reading your threads but only now decided to join the forum and post. You are a WONDERFUL group and you can tell than many of you spend a lot of time working on cases.

I realize this is an old thread but I couldn't help myself to add to it. To the pings on July 2nd. Dr. Werner Spitz, a forensic pathology expert, who testified on behalf of the defense, on June 18, 2011, stated: “It is my opinion that the duct tape was applied there after the skin had deteriorated, after the skin has decomposed.”

Do you think it is possible that KC had some time to think about the kidnapping scenario in her head and decided to come back to the scene to add the tape to the remains? We all saw movies where the kidnappers place tape over the victim’s mouth to keep them quiet. The tape stuck to the hair but not really much to the bone because she must had been terrified of touching the skull, so she haphazardly put the tape over the bones. Is Valhall correct stating she may have gotten some “evidence” to frame her ex-fiance?

In the autopsy report, John Shultz states: “It would be expected that decomposition of a small child in Florida that is deposited in an outdoor environment during the summer months would have occurred in less than a month and most likely within two weeks.” In addition, some of the bones were found away from the skull and have been determined to have been dragged away from the main spot when they still had soft tissue on them.

If KC went to the remains site on July 2nd, she would have found a nearly decomposed skull with many other parts of the body already missing. That definitely could have given her reason for the nightmares reported by Tony L, and give a good reason to make a “comforting” phone call to Ryan P. That could also be why the only time she turned her head away from the evidence is when they were showing the skull.

I wish the prosecution would have focused on this fact. This could have been the one and only evidence that places her at the remains site for a sustained period of time, under the cover of the night. She obviously didn’t visit Lee and Amy H. thought she was asleep with her, so there is no other reason for her to be there at 4 a.m. If she wanted to check out whether her car was at the Anthony’s house, she easily could have done that during the day, she was driving a car (Tony’s) that nobody would have recognized (her parents would have been at work, too).

Hi everyone! I am also new to Websleuth and have been reading and lurking for months now. You folks are absolutely amazing!

Eve,
The autopsy report also reads, “The duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition…” and “Considering the dispersal of the skeletal remains, it would not be expected to find the mandible in this position unless something affixed the mandible in this position prior to decomposition…”

Since decomposition would have (already) occurred in less than a month and most likely within two weeks, the duct tape must have already been attached prior to that macabre visit to the remains site that morning. I believe she went there, perhaps to move the body (too late – bones were probably already picked at and separated) or to place something(s) there.

I agree with you that what she saw definitely relates to her call to Ryan and her subsequent nightmares. I also wonder why the prosecution didn't bring any of this information up.

No comment on Dr. Spitz