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FifthEssence
11-07-2008, 11:48 PM
7:58 am 11/07 Tuba as we searchers begin our quest on Sat to bring Caylee home, is there anything besides the pines and yellow flowers we should look for? Thank you.


Latitude = 28.4918, Longitude = -81.2966
Lat = 28 degrees, 29.5 minutes North
Long = 81 degrees, 17.8 minutes West


Sparky, is this the location of your home? If we were to go North of that, a few places mentioned throughout the threads are the Oveida house area, Little Econ Trail Park??(not sure of name as it seems to have a couple nicknames when I look it up online) and then there's Blanchard Park where she said Caylee liked going - also said Blanchard Park is where Zenaida & sister kidnapped Caylee from her.

Tim Miller is 2nd to none. You are all in good hands. There are so many prayers going out to those who are participating. God Bless you all.

Salem
11-07-2008, 11:54 PM
Soulscape - could the thing that KC left behind be the "rumored" second cross?

I don't think the cross has ever been firmly substantiated, but there are photos of both CA and KC wearing crosses and it is rumored that KC bought a cross for Caylee.

Again - just rumor.

Salem

magic-cat
11-08-2008, 12:00 AM
Thank you Sparky. Tuba used your information to cast her chart, I misunderstood, thinking she had used November 8 (start of search). Sorry for the confusion.

I looked at the chart Tuba cast and compared to Caylee's and Casey's. I noticed something, I don't know if it's important. Let me backtrack for a moment...

In Caylee's natal (timed) chart, she has SUN at 16:57 Leo. Her 4th house cusp (the end of life, the grave) is 17:37 Scorpio. Ceres (the mother) conjoins her 4th House cusp at 16:51 Scorpio, exactly squaring natal Sun. (I had posted on one of the previous Astro threads about the natal promise of harm from the mother and how this configuration supported that theory...).

In Sparky's chart, the SUN is at 15:29 Scorpio, conjunct Caylee's natal CERES (the mother) and 4th House cusp (end of life/ the grave) and square Caylee's natal SUN (life).

Here's what struck me (creepily, I may add): would KC have been egotistical (Sun) enough to leave something belonging to herself, the mother (CERES) with Caylee "at the grave" (4th House Cusp)?

I don't know if this will be helpful, but throw it out there anyway, just in case...

I also noted in the chart cast for Sparky's question that the SUN applies sextile (beneficial) to both Jupiter (the searchers) and Saturn (bones), and Saturn (bones) trines Jupiter in Capricorn and in fact, disposits Jupiter. So it seems hopeful the searchers (Jupiter) will recover bones (Jupiter trine Saturn). I saw this Jupiter-Saturn connection in the Search chart (November 8th @ 8:00 am) also...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Like perhaps a silver cross such as the one that keeps creeping in to the threads? A silver cross that MAY have been replaced again so that nobody would notice it was gone? A silver cross like the one Mr. Padilla was talking about?

Oh God in heaven I beg thee let them find her.

Zoe Bogart
11-08-2008, 01:32 AM
I must have missed those threads about the cross. However, I did wonder a while back if Casey had left something of hers or Cindy's at the grave as a statement to her mother!

There's no telling what she was thinking.

About the video of Father's Day, the dates Cindy initially quoted as the dates she saw Caylee (June 7 & 8), and George's statement about Casey probably not knowing how to alter the date on the video camera but it could be done, I'm also wondering if little Caylee could have died earlier. We'll probably never know for sure..........

I pray God goes with Sparky, Tim, and the searchers and guides them this weekend and next week if need be. I don't know how they have it planned.

Great job, astrologers. I wish I knew more about horary and forensic to share the burden.

Virtual Truth
11-08-2008, 05:24 AM
I would like to say "thank you" to everyone who posts the chart readings on this thread. I have watched and read for a while now, and it was because of the postings here that I decided to sign-up with WSs. My heart is so invested in this lovely child. I pray for her to be found, and peace to enter all hearts who have come to love her.

Lovejac
11-08-2008, 10:37 AM
Tuba? I saw on another thread where someone posted when the search teams were actually dispersed.

Will this time be of any more help than the 8 am chart?

I know you have pretty much covered all charts. I am on pins and needles today, as I truly believe she will be found sooner than later.

Again and as always, thanks for all you do

Tuba
11-08-2008, 10:58 AM
Because the dispatching of the teams is the natural outflow of the start time of 8 a.m., it is covered by that chart. N

Not for the first time, there is a connection between the eclipse of last February, the Part of Find from the initial arrest chart and the Moon in Sparky's chart. These are all at the same degree. On February 20-21, the Sun was 1:53 Pisces and the Moon 1:53 Virgo.

Is there anyone in our forum who got into the MySpace and Face Book pages before their removal and who might know where KC was on February 20-21? There are, in her life, so many ties to that date and the events thereof. More than I have mentioned above.

What would be so helpful now, is knowing the location of her actions on that day. Believe me, it is resonating now.

Lovejac
11-08-2008, 11:10 AM
Because the dispatching of the teams is the natural outflow of the start time of 8 a.m., it is covered by that chart. N

Not for the first time, there is a connection between the eclipse of last February, the Part of Find from the initial arrest chart and the Moon in Sparky's chart. These are all at the same degree. On February 20-21, the Sun was 1:53 Pisces and the Moon 1:53 Virgo.

Is there anyone in our forum who got into the MySpace and Face Book pages before their removal and who might know where KC was on February 20-21? There are, in her life, so many ties to that date and the events thereof. More than I have mentioned above.

What would be so helpful now, is knowing the location of her actions on that day. Believe me, it is resonating now.


Tuba, I have posted this question on the Question for Fellow WS thread.

I am going to try and search this info myself but have asked for additional help.

Wish me luck!

Soulscape
11-08-2008, 11:41 AM
Soulscape - could the thing that KC left behind be the "rumored" second cross?

I don't think the cross has ever been firmly substantiated, but there are photos of both CA and KC wearing crosses and it is rumored that KC bought a cross for Caylee.

Again - just rumor.

Salem

Hello Salem,

The short answer is, Yes, it is very possible both that the rumor is true and that Casey may have left it at the grave as a "funeral memorial"...

I will post an analysis later today. In the meantime, God bless Tim and everyone who is out there looking for our precious angel Caylee. Also, if anyone can, please help Tuba track down that February date she is looking for. I got the chills when I read Tuba's post.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Dolce171
11-08-2008, 11:41 AM
Tuba, I have posted this question on the Question for Fellow WS thread.

I am going to try and search this info myself but have asked for additional help.

Wish me luck!

Treeseeker provided a link to a previous thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67808&highlight=February&page=2.

Post 22 was highlighted for Feb. - however it does not contain specifics for Feb. 20th - Feb. 21st. I am sleuthing through the rest of the posts now.... :)

Pink Panther
11-08-2008, 11:59 AM
Tony R joined LE in February. The Sawgrass appt. had been empty since February. That's all I've been able to find so far. Will post more if it comes up.

ETA - Riccardo and KC hook up in February. Just after Valentine's Day. (Found a blog that says they started "seriously" dating February 23rd.)

Lovejac
11-08-2008, 12:02 PM
Tony R joined LE in February. The Sawgrass appt. had been empty since February. That's all I've been able to find so far. Will post more if it comes up.

Ricardo stated he began dating Casey in early February

Lovejac
11-08-2008, 12:07 PM
February 2008 Casey and Amy became friends on a steady basis, ie calls/texts, etc., by Feb 2008.

February 23 2008 Casey and Ricardo start seriously dating, with Casey sleeping over many times and Caylee sleeping with them when she was there.

Spyglass
11-08-2008, 12:09 PM
Did KC go to ER with JG in February 2008?

Tuba
11-08-2008, 12:15 PM
That was v. helpful. It's obvious there was a Valentine's Day party from the dress up comments the day before. Also, involvement with a man in Tallahassee from her entries on February 11 & 13. I am going to push on, looking for one week later by other means.

Pink Panther
11-08-2008, 12:16 PM
Jesus Ortiz, 21, died in a car crash in Orlando in February 2008. I haven't confirmed this yet but found it posted on a blog.

ETA - I thought it was the year before but don't know. Does anyone have this info?

ETA - Please ignore this post. It's incorrect. He died in May, 2007.

Virtual Truth
11-08-2008, 01:15 PM
That was v. helpful. It's obvious there was a Valentine's Day party from the dress up comments the day before. Also, involvement with a man in Tallahassee from her entries on February 11 & 13. I am going to push on, looking for one week later by other means.

Hi Tuba,
I don't know the date, but there was something about Casey possibly having a miscarriage. I think Amy talked about it in her statement...something to do with Casey getting so upset when she ran into the boyfriend after this happened. I'm not postive, but this was the first thing that I thought about when I read your post.
Good luck!

Salem
11-08-2008, 01:17 PM
Okay guys - in Ricardo Moralas statement, at this link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-case-discovery-documents,0,2061984.htmlpage

page 103 of the PDF file at lines 4 and 5, the detective asks RM about the picture of Caylee with the black and RM says it happened on Jan. 23rd.

I got really excited about this because when I first read it, I thought it said Feb. 23rd. Now re-reading it says Jan 23rd. But I'm posting anyway, just in case it will be helpful.

Salem

Virtual Truth
11-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Hi Tuba,
I don't know the date, but there was something about Casey possibly having a miscarriage. I think Amy talked about it in her statement...something to do with Casey getting so upset when she ran into the boyfriend after this happened. I'm not postive, but this was the first thing that I thought about when I read your post.
Good luck!


I just looked up Amy's interview. She said on May 25th, at the no clothes party, Casey ran into Brandon and was upset and crying. She was upset at seeing him because she had had a miscarriage with him. Amy did not say when the miscarriage happened. Possibly it was in February....???

Virtual Truth
11-08-2008, 01:49 PM
Someting found by searchers behind YMCA Blanchard Park. Hauled away around noon today.

Tuba
11-08-2008, 01:59 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MoonEclipseFeb011.jpg

We now know Amy & Ricardo were the personnel of February but along with the Tallahassee Valentine. This chart is an effort to peer into the activities for Wednesday into Thursday when the eclipse took place.

The eclipse casts a shadow into the Houses where it falls, here H. 1 and H. 7. Personal affairs and relationships feel the impact. The Moon, as she leaves Leo, is jaded and out of patience. She recently felt forced by circumstances to compromise herself (Moon last over Mars now opposing the ruler of H. 1 from H. 1).

Intoxication, glamour and deception are highly active on this night because Neptune rides the Descendant. Mercury holds the degree of the truth about this case, 8° Aquarius, which is laid bare in the future court proceedings and general developments.

Mercury is with Venus in a residential tract, Aquarius. Venus rules the circulating and driving of H. 3. She is coming into tight inconjunct with rising Saturn. Strain & fatigue are evident in this chart from that inconjunct and the applying conjunction of Moon to Saturn.

Are uppers the next resort, Mars trine Neptune and Node, in order to party on? Jupiter in H. 5 is looking for "fun" and the Sun in susceptible Pisces is sextile Pluto, also positioned in the funhouse.

I'm looking at 20° Scorpio on the base of operations Fourth and contemplating ponds and lakes.:eek:

the by and by
11-08-2008, 02:03 PM
This could explain why Lee asked KC when in jail "Is this like before?" And GA and CA were heard saying "Oh no, not again." Could KC have possibly aborted her child taking drugs or something and buried or got rid of the fetus? I guess this sounds far out but KC seems not to think like normal people.

Crabcake23
11-08-2008, 02:07 PM
Someting found by searchers behind YMCA Blanchard Park. Hauled away around noon today.

Firstly, this is my favorite thread here at WS. Secondly, OMG, I finally got the courage up to post my psychic vision on that thread this morning and mentioned how at the very beginning of this case, I'd seen a location that was wooded, mushy wet ground and a building nearby very much like a school gym. A few stories tall, very little or maybe no windows and some boys playing ball nearby. SOUNDS LIKE A YMCA!!!!

I am going to FREAK if this is it and I'm right. I've never had a vision about someone I didn't know before. Whoa.

Not that I solely want to be right, I just want to see Caylee found and laid to rest. Everyone involved needs closure on this.

Tuba
11-08-2008, 02:35 PM
I have always believed that the Brandon Snow miscarriage did occur, although many doubt it. And that KC took a time out from the party and came undone. She didn't expect to see him again. This makes me think it was some time ago. Witnesses from the scene at the party probably know when the miscarriage occurred.

Whether the suspicious sack is the remains or not, I'm glad the teams are looking in water and have already gone north. Search dogs are essential to the discovery and I think the foot scouts know this and trust them.

It's my belief that dredging will not be necessary, only lifting or raising.

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 03:27 PM
I recall LP and Tim saying there were several points of interest around Orlando, not limited to the Airport area which would be SE of the A's home. Additionally, she very well may have thrown out pieces of evidence around the city in her travels.

tammi05
11-08-2008, 03:28 PM
I have always believed that the Brandon Snow miscarriage did occur, although many doubt it. And that KC took a time out from the party and came undone. She didn't expect to see him again. This makes me think it was some time ago. Witnesses from the scene at the party probably know when the miscarriage occurred.

Whether the suspicious sack is the remains or not, I'm glad the teams are looking in water and have already gone north. Search dogs are essential to the discovery and I think the foot scouts know this and trust them.

It's my belief that dredging will not be necessary, only lifting or raising.


TUBA , i so enjoy reading this stuff the

work you guys put into it is awesome.

:blowkiss:

tammi vancouver canada

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 04:12 PM
In my heart of hearts, I don't feel she was upset in the least about any miscarriage because Caylee already was a burden for her. I recall the friends saying she went into some sort of dramatic thing when she ran into Bran. at the Oveida house party, but I believe it was all about her having a need for attention. Maybe he didn't fuss enough over her or maybe she was simply jealous Bran. was showing more interest in another female. By the time that party occurred, Caylee was already missing.
Just this moment I had a quick thought..perhaps this was the beginning of a possible story she could use as to why her car began to have some unusual odor?

Virtual Truth
11-08-2008, 04:21 PM
In my heart of hearts, I don't feel she was upset in the least about any miscarriage because Caylee already was a burden for her. I recall the friends saying she went into some sort of dramatic thing when she ran into Bran. at the Oveida house party, but I believe it was all about her having a need for attention. Maybe he didn't fuss enough over her or maybe she was simply jealous Bran. was showing more interest in another female. By the time that party occurred, Caylee was already missing.
Just this moment I had a quick thought..perhaps this was the beginning of a possible story she could use as to why her car began to have some unusual odor?

The party was May 25, 2008. Caylee was around until June 15 or 16, according to interviews with LE.

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 04:34 PM
The party was May 25, 2008. Caylee was around until June 15 or 16, according to interviews with LE.

My mistake... I thought there was a party in early July at the Oveida house???

Nevertheless, I still don't believe she genuinely would be upset about any miscarriage. Had to be a drama play. Caylee, a once living breathing human being is gone and do we see an upset or emotion in this person? And IF she had a miscarriage, which guy of the many she bedded with was the father?
I am sorry, I only see her as an evil self-serving creature. No mercy here.

marlame
11-08-2008, 04:53 PM
My mistake... I thought there was a party in early July at the Oveida house???

Nevertheless, I still don't believe she genuinely would be upset about any miscarriage. Had to be a drama play. Caylee, a once living breathing human being is gone and do we see an upset or emotion in this person? And IF she had a miscarriage, which guy of the many she bedded with was the father?
I am sorry, I only see her as an evil self-serving creature. No mercy here.

I agree what Casey has done is evil and self-serving, but something shifted for Casey. Over time she became more mentally unstable. She chose the darkest path one could venture down and I would like to know what set these events in motion. Could the hormonal effect of a pregnancy/miscarriage have had some bearing consciously or subconsciously on Casey? Hopefully, the stars can shed some light...

Soulscape
11-08-2008, 05:17 PM
Mars went Retrograde at 12 degrees Cancer on 11/15/07. While we don't know KC's Moon position not having her exact birth time, this degree could be very close to her natal Moon. (The sunrise chart gives 7 Cancer...). Mars conjunct Moon can give anger, moodiness and "female problems" or problems with women, among other things.

By 1/5/08, Mars had retrograded back to 28 Gemini, opposing KC's natal Uranus/Mars conjunction (22:21 - 25:31 Sagittarius) and squaring KC's natal Mercury/Sun conjunction (23:26 - 28:33 Pisces).

By 1/16/08, Mars had retrograded further back to 25 Gemini, opposing KC's natal Uranus/Mars conjunction (22:21 - 25:31 Sagittarius) and still well within orb of squaring KC's natal Mercury/Sun conjunction (23:26 - 28:33 Pisces).


Mars went Direct on 1/30/08.


By 2/15/08, Mars was at 25:31 Gemini, partile (same degree) opposite KC's natal Mars and setting off all described above.

By 2/28/08, Mars had reached 28:32 Gemini, once again partile squaring KC's natal Sun and triggering the same aspects described above.

Because of the involvement with natal Uranus, this could have manifested as abortion as well as miscarriage (transit Mars opposite natal Uranus/Mars, transit Mars square natal Sun).

I am not stating this actually happened, and I certainly don't want to contribute to starting any more rumors. My point is simply that a miscarriage/ abortion within that time frame (1/5/08 through 2/28/08) is astrologically feasible...........

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-08-2008, 05:21 PM
My impression & recollection is that KC never wanted to see this Brandon again & that the aversion stemmed from the way he treated her when the miscarriage occurred. She expected she would never encounter him again and then there he was in a social setting. She blew her wig.

My impression is challenged by the fact that she supposedly also questioned why he was dissing her at the party and did he maybe not like her? So, did she feel antagonism toward this man or not? I do think he represented a rum go. The planets can't help us with this one because we don't know when the miscarriage took place.

Pink Panther
11-08-2008, 05:30 PM
I believe that she sees Brandon again in early July when she meets up with friends from this group including Dante. He talks about this in his interview with LE. He also mentions that they have a volatile relationship.

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 05:33 PM
Mars went Retrograde at 12 degrees Cancer on 11/15/07. While we don't know KC's Moon position not having her exact birth time, this degree could be very close to her natal Moon. (The sunrise chart gives 7 Cancer...). Mars conjunct Moon can give anger, moodiness and "female problems" or problems with women, among other things.

By 1/5/08, Mars had retrograded back to 28 Gemini, opposing KC's natal Uranus/Mars conjunction (22:21 - 25:31 Sagittarius) and squaring KC's natal Mercury/Sun conjunction (23:26 - 28:33 Pisces).

By 1/16/08, Mars had retrograded further back to 25 Gemini, opposing KC's natal Uranus/Mars conjunction (22:21 - 25:31 Sagittarius) and still well within orb of squaring KC's natal Mercury/Sun conjunction (23:26 - 28:33 Pisces).

Mars went Direct on 1/30/08.

By 2/15/08, Mars was at 25:31 Gemini, partile (same degree) opposite KC's natal Mars and setting off all described above.

By 2/28/08, Mars had reached 28:32 Gemini, once again partile squaring KC's natal Sun and triggering the same aspects described above.

Because of the involvement with natal Uranus, this could have manifested as abortion as well as miscarriage (transit Mars opposite natal Uranus/Mars, transit Mars square natal Sun).

I am not stating this actually happened, and I certainly don't want to contribute to starting any more rumors. My point is simply that a miscarriage/ abortion within that time frame (1/5/08 through 2/28/08) is astrologically feasible...........

Thanks,
Soulscape


Aside from a possible physical event, are you saying this could have enchanced or triggered some kind of mental imbalance?

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 05:44 PM
I believe that she sees Brandon again in early July when she meets up with friends from this group including Dante. He talks about this in his interview with LE. He also mentions that they have a volatile relationship.



PINK PANTHER, would you have a quick link to the interview you noted? thank you:)

I'm confused now.:confused: Was it in May or early July?

Dolce171
11-08-2008, 05:59 PM
IMO - KC was only upset at the party because of the way she thought Brandon was treating her that evening. It had absolutely nothing to do with a possible miscarriage. She felt she was already burdened with precious Caylee...why would she possibly be upset over another child??? The fact that she was being snobbed by one of her many "scratches on the bedpost" did not fare well with KC.

She is only happy when she is the center of adoration and attention!!!

shgrbkr
11-08-2008, 06:55 PM
In my heart of hearts, I don't feel she was upset in the least about any miscarriage because Caylee already was a burden for her. I recall the friends saying she went into some sort of dramatic thing when she ran into Bran. at the Oveida house party, but I believe it was all about her having a need for attention. Maybe he didn't fuss enough over her or maybe she was simply jealous Bran. was showing more interest in another female. By the time that party occurred, Caylee was already missing.
Just this moment I had a quick thought..perhaps this was the beginning of a possible story she could use as to why her car began to have some unusual odor?

I completely agree that the whole Brandon episode was nothing more than a drama show on her part. I doubt if she was ever pregnant in the first place. KC is such a liar, and as narcissistic as she is, this would be right up her alley.
After not wanting Caylee and Caylee beoming the increasing burden that she was, I believe KC would be diligent about birth control. I also agree with others that if Brandon was ignoring her at the party, this would set her off that he might have been paying more attention to other women.

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 07:06 PM
PINK PANTHER, would you have a quick link to the interview you noted? thank you:)

I'm confused now.:confused: Was it in May or early July?



I found the interview. Thanks anyway Pink Panther.

She had the drama run-in w/ Brandon in late May just as as Virtual Truth noted.

MysteryAddict
11-08-2008, 08:09 PM
You are all busy going over the past which is fine but right now-

I am personally depressed because I had such hopes that the
predictions of the astrologers here would come true today!

You gave me such hope that the chart looked so great today for the search for Caylee!

I believed her remains would be found and was terribly disappointed to find out that the
discovery at Blanchard Park turned out to be dog bones!!
As far as I know that was the only "find" today.

This makes me wonder- how do you ever discount a chart as favorable looking as today's chart and have confidence in predicting anything at all?

miss lisa
11-08-2008, 08:17 PM
You are all busy going over the past which is fine but right now-

I am personally depressed because I had such hopes that the
predictions of the astrologers here would come true today!

You gave me such hope that the chart looked so great today for the search for Caylee!

I believed her remains would be found and was terribly disappointed to find out that the
discovery at Blanchard Park turned out to be dog bones!!
As far as I know that was the only "find" today.

This makes me wonder- how do you ever discount a chart as favorable looking as today's chart and have confidence in predicting anything at all?

I believe that there was a "find" behind the YMCA and the "find" was wisked away.

Tuba
11-08-2008, 08:42 PM
On page 4 of this thread, I stated that what I expected to be found was a remnant that would lead to a later discovery, post 88. Maybe such a remnant, scrap, clue or vestige was found today. There is another day to this search, MysteryAddict and possibly six more. It was a most fortunate day to launch this search.

I am fully behind TES and all of the promising forecasts done here. It is conk busting work to cast and analyze these charts. I don't discount any of them and I greatly value each and every study posted here. Each represents sincere, heart felt effort.

No more would I send my search dogs back to the kennel, tail between the legs, because they were just getting their feet wet today!

cjm11
11-08-2008, 08:42 PM
respectfully snipped

this could have manifested as abortion as well as miscarriage (transit Mars opposite natal Uranus/Mars, transit Mars square natal Sun).

I am not stating this actually happened, and I certainly don't want to contribute to starting any more rumors. My point is simply that a miscarriage/ abortion within that time frame (1/5/08 through 2/28/08) is astrologically feasible...........

Thanks,
Soulscape

I have wondered about an abortion instead of miscarriage. Is it possible that KC felt that being pregnant and then not pregnant, (however it happened, if at all) made her realize this could have been the way it could have been with Caylee. IF it was an abortion, it may have given her "strength" to do away with Caylee later. She was able to get rid of unwanted pregnancy, now she can get rid of an unwanted child.

I mean no disrespect, MOO.

Virtual Truth
11-08-2008, 09:10 PM
On page 4 of this thread, I stated that what I expected to be found was a remnant that would lead to a later discovery, post 88. Maybe such a remnant, scrap, clue or vestige was found today. There is another day to this search, MysteryAddict and possibly six more. It was a most fortunate day to launch this search.

I am fully behind TES and all of the promising forecasts done here. It is conk busting work to cast and analyze these charts. I don't discount any of them and I greatly value each and every study posted here. Each represents sincere, heart felt effort.

No more would I send my search dogs back to the kennel, tail between the legs, because they were just getting their feet wet today!


Tuba,
Please know that some of us respect and value your talents. I am one! Thanks.....

magiemay
11-08-2008, 09:35 PM
On page 4 of this thread, I stated that what I expected to be found was a remnant that would lead to a later discovery, post 88. Maybe such a remnant, scrap, clue or vestige was found today. There is another day to this search, MysteryAddict and possibly six more. It was a most fortunate day to launch this search.

I am fully behind TES and all of the promising forecasts done here. It is conk busting work to cast and analyze these charts. I don't discount any of them and I greatly value each and every study posted here. Each represents sincere, heart felt effort.

No more would I send my search dogs back to the kennel, tail between the legs, because they were just getting their feet wet today!
Tuba please don't leave us out of the loop even if some are disheartened in today I remember a few months back when you and housemouse did some charts and the day ended and we all thought it didn't happen only a day or so later info came out and I remember housemouse saying there it is what was in the chart that day it had happened but we were all unaware it had happened at the time, I think sometimes people just become a little weary waiting for something to brake and as we all know when it does break it will be on GODS time not ours as I have heard one pastor say we think we can get GOd on our level it won't happen sort of like we are in a microwave world and GOD works on a crock pot timing, just keep up the good work it aint over yet.

MysteryAddict
11-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Please know that I also respect and value Tuba's talents.

Actually I consider Tuba a genius in the interpretation of charts and I apologize to her if my post sounded otherwise.

My mistake was to think her prediction had to do with just the one day rather than the whole search.

I am in awe of Tim Miller and pray for a successful search.

Sorry Tuba!

Tuba
11-08-2008, 10:22 PM
Apart from TES intention to allow this search to continue for eight days (if support is there), my own forecast, you may recall, is for follow up on November 17 and 20! Call me Patience on a Monument.

ShadowGal
11-08-2008, 10:27 PM
Apart from TES intention to allow this search to continue for eight days (if support is there), my own forecast, you may recall, is for follow up on November 17 and 20! Call me Patience on a Monument.


Could those dates (17th and 20th) also have something to do with test results back should something have been found today? I think your forecasts have been vey accurate so far :)

KAITLAND
11-08-2008, 10:52 PM
Whew, just got in from really long work day ....only had the opportunity to check the website a few brief times today. Yes, disappointed no "instant news or find" yet. But, thanks Tuba for reminding that this really is a continuum. I do think it was an auspicious chart to start the search too. Keeping the faith - Kait

Tuba
11-08-2008, 10:54 PM
Yes, the follow up would be a confirmation that suspicious findings had been correctly identified. The discovery could come on any day TES is searching as it is all flowing from the launch today. All one search, interrupted only by night falls.

There is so much water to investigate in the area. How difficult is THAT!! Even the animals have a beastly challenge tracing under such conditions. Especially without the Web Sleuth hydro penetrating aerial optics.

Dolce171
11-08-2008, 10:54 PM
Holding the faith here!!!! And my faith is unyielding !!!!

FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 11:01 PM
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FifthEssence
11-08-2008, 11:13 PM
Yes, the follow up would be a confirmation that suspicious findings had been correctly identified. The discovery could come on any day TES is searching as it is all flowing from the launch today. All one search, interrupted only by night falls.

There is so much water to investigate in the area. How difficult is THAT!! Even the animals have a beastly challenge tracing under such conditions.

Especially without the Web Sleuth hydro penetrating aerial optics.



Well if you're up to it this evening, how about a little 'flight' time ~

:angel:

Psmith
11-09-2008, 12:04 AM
I value your serious analyses, which show the possibilities and the alternatives before demonstrating the truth of the matter.

Another aspect that makes this thread so fantastic is that every one of the astologers collaborates and exchanges info / theories / models.

That said, I hope we WSers can stay on topic and not get into whether or not KC had an abortion, miscarriage, etc. It is not relevant, really, to the issue at hand.

What is important, IMHO, is: Premeditated Murder Motive Opportunity, finding Caylee, trial aspects, persons involved (whether the perp, abettors / colluders, LE, LP, investigators, TM, TES, the woman BH).

Yay! Go, Astrologers!

Psmith
11-09-2008, 12:08 AM
Well if you're up to it this evening, how about a little 'flight' time ~

:angel:

Interesting. Are you suggesting / hinting about special powers?

TURBOTHINK
11-09-2008, 01:21 AM
You are all busy going over the past which is fine but right now-

I am personally depressed because I had such hopes that the
predictions of the astrologers here would come true today!

You gave me such hope that the chart looked so great today for the search for Caylee!

I believed her remains would be found and was terribly disappointed to find out that the
discovery at Blanchard Park turned out to be dog bones!!
As far as I know that was the only "find" today.

This makes me wonder- how do you ever discount a chart as favorable looking as today's chart and have confidence in predicting anything at all?

Don't give up yet............today may not be a total wash.

RR0004
11-09-2008, 01:24 AM
Don't give up yet............today may not be a total wash.
I have to look at it as being a day closer to the truth...whatever that may be or wherever it may be found.

magic-cat
11-09-2008, 01:35 AM
Don't give up yet............today may not be a total wash.

Hey turbo! I hope you are staying safe and thanks so much for checking in with us while you are THERE! We are keeping the faith and feel that the light is going to shine for our sweet little Caylee! Many blessings to you for your devotion to her!

TURBOTHINK
11-09-2008, 01:49 AM
I have a question for tomorrow if anyone is still up. Could the charts be showing something north of the airport around Lake Jessup or the Ovieda house?

I have to get my rear in the bed, so I won't have the time to read all of these and wonder if north to the NW of the college show anything at all.

RR0004
11-09-2008, 01:53 AM
I have a question for tomorrow if anyone is still up. Could the charts be showing something north of the airport around Lake Jessup or the Ovieda house?

I have to get my rear in the bed, so I won't have the time to read all of these and wonder if north to the NW of the college show anything at all.
From what I've read of late, they do believe water is involved.

TURBOTHINK
11-09-2008, 02:04 AM
From what I've read of late, they do believe water is involved.

Thanks, I am out of here til tomorrow night. Hope to bring good (sad) news back tomorrow. My fingers are not typing well, it took me three times to type this. LOL Thanks.

savannahanna
11-09-2008, 02:16 AM
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:clap: :blowkiss: :clap: :clap: :blowkiss: :clap:


Bumped because you are soooooo WORTHY!

HEAVENLY MATHMATICS DON'T LIE

I am overly awed and continue to be astonished by what Housemouse, Tuba, Soulscape, Kaitland, Lovejac, & all others I haven't listed who are working up charts and interpreting! It is hard work, very time consuming and shows the degree of experience all these special ladies have acquired. They deserve the thanks from all of us who enjoy reading this thread & believe in their work. I can get completely befuddled by the charts unless someone posts a basic outline of what they indicate. Thankfully, there are many kind people here to help us understand the charts. Planets, stars, sun, moon, etc. have their own evolutions that can't be changed to fit our wants unfortunately. Ladies of the charts, you will never really know how truly appreciated you are-you all give us hope each day!
Fifthessence's personal quote as it sums up my feelings as well.
"HEAVENLY MATHMATICS DON'T LIE"
Thank you Fifthessence

Savannhanna

Caylee, we miss you!!!

Zoe Bogart
11-09-2008, 02:59 AM
On page 4 of this thread, I stated that what I expected to be found was a remnant that would lead to a later discovery, post 88. Maybe such a remnant, scrap, clue or vestige was found today. There is another day to this search, MysteryAddict and possibly six more. It was a most fortunate day to launch this search.

I am fully behind TES and all of the promising forecasts done here. It is conk busting work to cast and analyze these charts. I don't discount any of them and I greatly value each and every study posted here. Each represents sincere, heart felt effort.

No more would I send my search dogs back to the kennel, tail between the legs, because they were just getting their feet wet today!


Don't worry, Tuba, most of us understood we may again be doing the "waiting game" but this time, we may have some news at the end of the wait. I remember something about "eight" and that TES may not have a big find or results of a find for a possible eight days or longer.

The optimistic start of today's search chart didn't really guarantee anything for today. I understand that. I believe the stars have given us for more information than Casey has, so I can wait patiently. I'm in awe of the accuracy of the charts. They are usually on the money!

TURBOTHINK, Good Luck!!!

Psmith
11-09-2008, 03:47 AM
Even without hard evidence (bones, etc.) the State has a very good case since they have "enough" of the body (DNA from hair root and epithelial tissues, death band on hair, decomp fluids / gasses, chloroform traces of over 100% than usual) to say said person is deceased. It is not as if there was simply blood, victim living offshore somewhere nursing a nasty cut or as in other defense cases missing an arm but ok otherwise. (ahem)

Even though State cannot prove a link because of vacated car, they have every right to go for common sense: if the mother of the child was not there, then where was she? Try explaining that to a jury. As we know, and jury will know, ZFG does not exist, then there is the desperate search at Fusian, the tattoist shop, her parents house and Tone's apartment, Blockbuster for peace of mind to watch movies about murdering or missing kids. State of mind argument will not fly JB is not that sophisticated or even a good enough actor, and BTW court released her after 1 *maybe 2* psych exams for bail. Good to go, they decided. So, No way, Jose. Can't do that either. Dang!

You all know the weight the court (jury) gives to "excited utterance" (or words to that force) before people begin making up stories. That 911 tape will play, and nothing CA does can take it away.

KC is going down. The only reason she hasn't cracked yet is because her excellent attorney keeps on blowing crack-pipe dreams that yeah, he can get her off, in the meanwhile not showing her what State has and how bad it is. She doesn't believe it yet because he wants to impress her with his abilities to make it go away. Just wait.

Also, astros, I am completely behind the idea KC left a vanity cross for her daughter as theater.

Justice will be done.

Soulscape
11-09-2008, 08:40 AM
Back on the 1st Astrology thread I analyzed Cindy's #3 Phone to LE, the one in which she finally admitted the baby was gone and that she'd found her daughter's car today and it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car.

Below is the pertinent portion of that analysis and why I thought Caylee lay WEST NORTH WEST of the Anthony house. If you want to read the entire post, it is here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2542258&postcount=327

Also, for what it's worth, I have come to believe that Tim Miller & Team will find our precious Angel. The chart for resuming the search was very auspicious. Three different astrologers using three different approaches came to similar conclusions. Just because it didn't happen the first day out doesn't mean they failed. The Stars indicate they will ultimately prevail.

================================================== ====

So where is Caylee? According to the teachings of Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, you will find the person where the significator is located by House and sign. (See Simplified Horary Astrology)

Caylee is signified by the Sun, located in the turned 12th House/ radix 6th House at 23:54 Cancer. The 6th/ 12th houses are cadent houses. She will be found farther off and may be lost, hidden or secluded, perhaps sent away, in a neighborhood different from that of the querent (Cindy, because she placed the call to LE).

The Sun (Caylee) is in Cancer: reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, water-ways and run-offs, rivers and their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants and plumbing lines.

The direction of Cancer is NORTH, and being a water sign, indicates lowlands (below sea level).

The direction by house and sign is WEST NORTH WEST. The mileage is calculated based on the celestial latitude of the planet that is the significator (the SUN) and the difference in degrees between that planet and the MOON.
Sun is a 00 Latitude giving 1 mile according to Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson. The difference in degrees between significator SUN and the Moon is 4 degrees 46 minutes. 46 minutes is approximately ¾ of 60 (60 minutes in a degree), so the indication is that Caylee is approximately 4.75 miles away from her home in a WEST NORTH WEST DIRECTION, or its opposite, EAST SOUTH EAST. (If you superimpose the chart over a land map, you will see the SUN (Caylee) in the EAST SOUTH EAST area.) (See Simplified Horary Astrology page 72)


Thanks,
Soulscape

Lovejac
11-09-2008, 03:57 PM
I am a little miffed today by the turn-out of volunteers (or lack thereof)

I don't understand why so many people would sign up, but not follow through.

I wonder if people are angered/upset by the lack of support from the A's?

Sparky
11-09-2008, 04:49 PM
All,

Don't give up yet. Please, please remember there is a lot of ground to cover. It's not easy. Yesterday was good. There were a lot of searchers and yes, less today. The elderly and young there. Not to mention us in between. :) It was exhausting and very emotional. We don't know why they all didn't show today. I know there were a few that didn't stay hydrated enough.

Unless you have heard it from TM you don't know what all was found in all the areas.

I have never been so far back in the woods as yesterday. We came across snakes and little critters. We walked through water but it was good! All for little Caylee.

Just remember it ain't over yet! Say your prayers!

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:01 PM
I have a question for tomorrow if anyone is still up. Could the charts be showing something north of the airport around Lake Jessup or the Ovieda house?

I have to get my rear in the bed, so I won't have the time to read all of these and wonder if north to the NW of the college show anything at all.

Lake Jessup is really perfect. An alligator lake, with a bridge across it. And, a couple of secluded little parks.

Tuba
11-09-2008, 05:02 PM
I thought it might be interesting to see how the prisoner was reacting to TES yesterday and today. Venus, which is one of the protective planets, was on her Mars Medea conjunction in Sagittarius, having just transited her Uranus. That is her murderous conjunction, aggravated to the umptieth degree by the proximity of willful, explosive Uranus.

Uranus is 22°, Mars & Medea, 25°. Transit Venus yesterday was also 25°. On At Large last night, JB was pressed to answer questions about a perceived inappropriate relationship between KC and him. This was the bold curiosity of Sag. Venus on her Mars. Being KC, she may have interpreted JB's response as an expected professional dismissal. But when it was suggested she might lure him seductively, his reply, "No way, it takes two to tango!" may have smarted as both a rejection & an offense to her pride.

Taken by and large, I believe KC would have been satisfied by the favors of Venus yesterday. One more day with no corpus. KC's Mars-Medea is at the solstice point or antiscion of her Neptune. The asteroid Juno, subtle Juno, is fast approaching that Neptune at 5:43 Capricorn and will reach it this week. This will once again draw att'n to KC's crime. It will set off flares. My guess, if sketching the scene in inmate 08049710's cell last night: under the jail house blanket dozing with one eye open.

The Moon yesterday was neutral to her chart, supporting her own Cancer Moon but squaring her natal Juno mid-Sagittarius. KC's Cancer Moon, in cohort with her Piscean Mercury & Sun, selected a grave in the Florida wetlands. I don't think Kristina is correct in saying KC fed her daughter to the alligators. My charts have shown the body inside some cover.

The Sunday Moon has changed colors. At 12:27 p.m., she entered Aries, the Sign that holds KC's daughter, Venus at 13°. But it takes time for the Moon to reach that Venus. Meanwhile, the Sun is very supportive to the search planets of Jupiter, Uranus and Saturn today. We could use more help from the search & investigate planet, Mars, which just completed his hour of the day. Mars has not been making important aspects. The Sun, however, is and we are now in the hour of the Sun.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:06 PM
IMO - KC was only upset at the party because of the way she thought Brandon was treating her that evening. It had absolutely nothing to do with a possible miscarriage. She felt she was already burdened with precious Caylee...why would she possibly be upset over another child??? The fact that she was being snobbed by one of her many "scratches on the bedpost" did not fare well with KC.

She is only happy when she is the center of adoration and attention!!!

I think he dissed her, and she asserted the upper hand by throwing a hissy/pity party in the potty.

I suspect he might be ne of the few guys who can see through her.

I am one who doubts the miscarrriage story.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:13 PM
You are all busy going over the past which is fine but right now-

I am personally depressed because I had such hopes that the
predictions of the astrologers here would come true today!

You gave me such hope that the chart looked so great today for the search for Caylee!

I believed her remains would be found and was terribly disappointed to find out that the
discovery at Blanchard Park turned out to be dog bones!!
As far as I know that was the only "find" today.

This makes me wonder- how do you ever discount a chart as favorable looking as today's chart and have confidence in predicting anything at all?

Because you never know what positive event might be coming at us from some other quarter.

As far as we know, the search has not been productive.

But, maybe something else is happening behind the scenes. Or, something unexpected may happen.

I had an 18 year (because I am in the north lunar node period of my life) reading done by a Vedic Astrologer. It predicted a lot fo things, including exile (which is a longish, unexpected move), and change of profession, and some other stuff that didn't sound too appetizing, at the time.

It all happened, down to the very last thing! But, most of it came out positively.

Remember, these are abstract energies. They won't tell you what will happen, specifically. They will only tell you what energies are influencing the situation.

the by and by
11-09-2008, 05:13 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74722 The search for Caylee has been suspended. It is over. So sad.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:22 PM
Much has changed since I asked "Where is Caylee?" months ago. Her remains at that time were near water but now appear to require raising. The Moon in this horary has recently paralleled Mercury which means the remains moved. In Pisces and parallel the Scorpio planet, this was due to change in wetland conditions.

In the horoscope of the initial arrest, the Part of Find was 1:56 Pisces and for this horary, the Moon now holds that place. From above one can see that where the original digging was done is embankment territory. What I mean is that if a stake or a flag was stuck in the ground where the shoveling and spading was done, an aerial view would reveal that the soil was part of a bank. Unfortunately, we have no such markers.

The very tall pine, the yellow flowers, the deteriorated bronze-black piece of plastic are location clues. Still refining the opening to the slush ground.

The floods may have moved her remains.

A psychic to whom this site is not speaking keeps talking about water near yellow flowers, BTW.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:25 PM
I thought maybe the military and police members of the team might make a discovery, so I calculated that Part. There were no outstanding aspects until very early Sunday morning when I believe police will be visiting the scene as members of the force, LE. Like 6 a.m.

In Sparky's chart, the Moon is making a fortunate trine to the H. of the dead, which has 1:02 Cancer on the cusp. This helps the search. The Moon is sextile Pluto of hidden knowledge, and that also helps the search. Talking Pluto, Mercury on Saturday will be on KC's own Pluto trine EquuSearch Chart Part of Find, exactly. So what she alone has known is slowly being uncovered.

Naturally, KC's Pluto opposite Caylee's Mars was an unfortunate connection between them, eliciting drastic measures and sadistic impulses from Pluto. An enduring imprint on the spirit also known as a revenant. Returning to visit the scene and lend direction.

The Part of Military and Police is 26:10 Virgo.

There's a revenant? Well, that's another reason why we need to find out what is hidden.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:29 PM
Hello, Friends!

Still getting over the "adult croup", with the busted rib from coughing, but am finally beginning to feel human again.

I can't add anything to what Soulscape, Tuna, and all have been posting. I do not do much "personal astrology", and focus mostly on "mundane/political/criminal" astrology.

I am looking forward to seeing what the trial brings out, as I still am interested in my original times/dates. (late night 17th/wee hours of the morning on the 18th).

What I would like to see the most is a confession from Casey, but that is improbable!
charts on every event in the case, but will still do charts for major events. I use different methods than the rest, but not any better or worse, just different.

Will go and read up on what has transpired, now that I am off the cough medicine, and can think clearly.

All the good wishes, prayers, and anything else positive I can send is coming your way, dear House Angel!

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:38 PM
My heart breaks for what Cindy has lost. I know that her sorrow over Caylee and Casey is deep and painful. I also know from watching this link that she KNOWS that Caylee is gone and is never coming back and she is now just going through the motions trying to save all that she has left, which is her rotten, stinking daughter. I feel for her because Casey is not much of a compensation for the sweet innocent child that she has lost forever.

But, CA KNEW that her daughter was too irresponsible to take good care of a child, full time.

I don't feel sorry for CA.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:41 PM
The chart for 12:53 pm, June 16 is on page 4 of this #3 thread at post #81 and #83. The first post is the chart itself. The Part of Fatality is 26:07 Scorpio square Neptune of poisoning in the air of Aquarius. The second chart point to examine when looking for death is the Part of Death. Here it is 29:09 Capricorn in the H. of the child and it conjoins the natal Lilith of Casey.

Thanks! This explains a LOT.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:52 PM
Sorry, Soulscape. I do not have any insights beyond what we have all put on the board here from the beginning about the death itself. Leonard said last night that a choloroform soaked rag had been left in the trunk. He didn't seem to be inferring this but instead stating that he knew of a rag taken in evidence.

If true, we don't know whether Caylee was left in the car for sufficient time to harm and kill her from the rag in proximity or whether she died from a specific application of the rag to her face. I strongly believe she was given chloroform from June 13 on. Not casually but by Casey playing anaesthetist. By the 16th, the poisonous routine had been underway for three days.

All the charts for that two day period are interesting and if we continue to study them, we'll figure out more. I see that the Moon was trine and parallel Neptune on the day I believe this drugging took place for the first time. I have the Part of Fatality at 26:07 Scorpio and you have the Moon at 27. The saturated rag itself is the Moon and in the Sign of poison, Scorpio, looks like the lethal combination.

Maybe that's why it looks like she has a few neuro jerks during one part of the film clip.

Brini
11-09-2008, 05:53 PM
"some truth will win through" understates my real expectation. When looking at event charts and horaries, Aquarius is where we find the truth that has been put down with covers over its face in Pisces. This can happen through misinformation and mistake or through deception.
The transits from February 7th will shred the fabrications created with KC's Mercury in affliction with her Mars-Uranus-Medea because these transits are hitting on the midpoint. The Sun and Mercury, the Node of the Moon, Venus and Mars, Jupiter, Medea. I believe these are the evidential ammunition from the prosecution.

Medea killed her children.

Brini
11-09-2008, 06:02 PM
From what I've read of late, they do believe water is involved.

Two good reasons: 1) FL is so wet. Lots of bodies of water, 2) Women tend to dispose of remains in water.

Brini
11-09-2008, 06:04 PM
Even without hard evidence (bones, etc.) the State has a very good case since they have "enough" of the body (DNA from hair root and epithelial tissues, death band on hair, decomp fluids / gasses, chloroform traces of over 100% than usual) to say said person is deceased. It is not as if there was simply blood, victim living offshore somewhere nursing a nasty cut or as in other defense cases missing an arm but ok otherwise. (ahem)

Even though State cannot prove a link because of vacated car, they have every right to go for common sense: if the mother of the child was not there, then where was she? Try explaining that to a jury. As we know, and jury will know, ZFG does not exist, then there is the desperate search at Fusian, the tattoist shop, her parents house and Tone's apartment, Blockbuster for peace of mind to watch movies about murdering or missing kids. State of mind argument will not fly JB is not that sophisticated or even a good enough actor, and BTW court released her after 1 *maybe 2* psych exams for bail. Good to go, they decided. So, No way, Jose. Can't do that either. Dang!

You all know the weight the court (jury) gives to "excited utterance" (or words to that force) before people begin making up stories. That 911 tape will play, and nothing CA does can take it away.

KC is going down. The only reason she hasn't cracked yet is because her excellent attorney keeps on blowing crack-pipe dreams that yeah, he can get her off, in the meanwhile not showing her what State has and how bad it is. She doesn't believe it yet because he wants to impress her with his abilities to make it go away. Just wait.

Also, astros, I am completely behind the idea KC left a vanity cross for her daughter as theater.

Justice will be done.

I think you are right on the money, Emma!

Brini
11-09-2008, 06:07 PM
All,

Don't give up yet. Please, please remember there is a lot of ground to cover. It's not easy. Yesterday was good. There were a lot of searchers and yes, less today. The elderly and young there. Not to mention us in between. :) It was exhausting and very emotional. We don't know why they all didn't show today. I know there were a few that didn't stay hydrated enough.

Unless you have heard it from TM you don't know what all was found in all the areas.

I have never been so far back in the woods as yesterday. We came across snakes and little critters. We walked through water but it was good! All for little Caylee.

Just remember it ain't over yet! Say your prayers!

You're right! We've still yet to hear any fat opera singers chriping arias.

Lovejac
11-09-2008, 06:19 PM
O/T, Leonard Padilla was just interviewed by Murt. He and his crew are going to conduct their own search of Blanchard Park. Trying to line up some divers for tomorrow morning. Talking about the necklace that was found hanging from a tree. It was made with the same beads and materials that casey has.

Tuba
11-09-2008, 06:32 PM
You may remember that in a recent chart for mid-November, the defendant was intercepted in House 7 at a crisis degree of Cancer. The slight closeness of her cell has been weighing on the spirits of Miss A, who prefers to be free & unencumbered.

I think we will see the minister visit once again right after her lunar return and that she may see a counselor as well. That will be a week from now.

Brini
11-09-2008, 06:33 PM
O/T, Leonard Padilla was just interviewed by Murt. He and his crew are going to conduct their own search of Blanchard Park. Trying to line up some divers for tomorrow morning. Talking about the necklace that was found hanging from a tree. It was made with the same beads and materials that casey has.

Yeah, he's there with Murt, and some guys in chamo LE is also there.

Also, TES will be searching tomorrow. Tomorrow will be the last day.

Am hearing that LE et all are about halfway in.

Astologers! What's doing for 8am, tomorrow? That's when the divers are going in. The FBI will be there.

LE says there will be a memorial in Blanchard Park on Tuesday.

Murt's w/s posters are divided-- hysterectomy for KC w/ or w/o chloroform?

Lovejac
11-09-2008, 07:14 PM
Yeah, he's there with Murt, and some guys in chamo LE is also there.

Also, TES will be searching tomorrow. Tomorrow will be the last day.

Am hearing that LE et all are about halfway in.

Astologers! What's doing for 8am, tomorrow? That's when the divers are going in. The FBI will be there.

LE says there will be a memorial in Blanchard Park on Tuesday.

Murt's w/s posters are divided-- hysterectomy for KC w/ or w/o chloroform?


Thanks for the laugh Brini! I certainly did need this today!

ETA: 1 vote for hysterectomy without chloroform

Tuba
11-09-2008, 07:43 PM
I see two different years of birth for TM afloat. Was he 59 in 2005 (1946) or was he born in the 1950's?

Leonard has Moon going over his Jupiter tonight and then Tuesday (Mars Day), his lunar return. His Sun was well aspected this weekend. His Mercury is being transited by the mean south node of the Moon. I don't intend to say cruel or cheap, just intermediate. Usually people get twitchy and dejected under this influence but he is holding up just fine. It can also bring a lot of air time to what one has to say and that has been true.

savannahanna
11-09-2008, 08:14 PM
I know that Tim's daughter Laura was 16 in 1984 when she went missing. Tim's age of 61, BD 12-11-1946 makes sense. He would have been only 22 or a possible 23 the time of her birth. I can't remember the link be it here or intellius that listed the age.
Hope this helps although it isn't confirmed.
Savannahanna

Caylee, we miss you!!!

Lovejac
11-10-2008, 12:21 AM
I hope and pray that none of our astrologers took offense to any 'certain' post.

Not all understand that just because the stars and planets are lined up in certain beneficial ways, there is no guarantee that certain things are going to happen.

Although, I did not lose my hope today, it did take a few hits!

Two things are in my mind as I write this, both which came from a very 'wise mouse"!

1. ultimately everything is in the Hands of the Creator, His will be done.
2. Neptunian influence means we might not ever know the whole truth.

I am still very thankful for all of you that helped my mind understand this tragedy.

Catherine

TURBOTHINK
11-10-2008, 12:32 AM
Back on the 1st Astrology thread I analyzed Cindy's #3 Phone to LE, the one in which she finally admitted the baby was gone and that she'd found her daughter's car today and it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car.

Below is the pertinent portion of that analysis and why I thought Caylee lay WEST NORTH WEST of the Anthony house. If you want to read the entire post, it is here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2542258&postcount=327

Also, for what it's worth, I have come to believe that Tim Miller & Team will find our precious Angel. The chart for resuming the search was very auspicious. Three different astrologers using three different approaches came to similar conclusions. Just because it didn't happen the first day out doesn't mean they failed. The Stars indicate they will ultimately prevail.

================================================== ====

So where is Caylee? According to the teachings of Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, you will find the person where the significator is located by House and sign. (See Simplified Horary Astrology)

Caylee is signified by the Sun, located in the turned 12th House/ radix 6th House at 23:54 Cancer. The 6th/ 12th houses are cadent houses. She will be found farther off and may be lost, hidden or secluded, perhaps sent away, in a neighborhood different from that of the querent (Cindy, because she placed the call to LE).

The Sun (Caylee) is in Cancer: reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, water-ways and run-offs, rivers and their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants and plumbing lines.

The direction of Cancer is NORTH, and being a water sign, indicates lowlands (below sea level).

The direction by house and sign is WEST NORTH WEST. The mileage is calculated based on the celestial latitude of the planet that is the significator (the SUN) and the difference in degrees between that planet and the MOON.
Sun is a 00 Latitude giving 1 mile according to Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson. The difference in degrees between significator SUN and the Moon is 4 degrees 46 minutes. 46 minutes is approximately ¾ of 60 (60 minutes in a degree), so the indication is that Caylee is approximately 4.75 miles away from her home in a WEST NORTH WEST DIRECTION, or its opposite, EAST SOUTH EAST. (If you superimpose the chart over a land map, you will see the SUN (Caylee) in the EAST SOUTH EAST area.) (See Simplified Horary Astrology page 72)


Thanks,
Soulscape

Could it be here? I have tried imposing it and it looks good to me, but I am not sure and don't want to waste time tomorrow if this is way off.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sanfor...8&g=sanford+fl

Google in close - notice the boat ramp and the loading dock.

Anyone have any idea about this area?

Tuba
11-10-2008, 12:12 PM
My prayers are with Leonard this morning. Mars is no longer idle, not aspecting. Now Mars is on the Moon of Soulscape's death chart and the Part of Fatality of mine. Leonard's progressed Mars in Capricorn is just on sextile to that and his Venus in Virgo is as well. His progressed Mercury is dead bang on Saturn in the heavens.

Since Mars is the agent of searches & investigations, we have wanted for his involvement but after he squared Neptune on Election Day, he did not engage. Ideally, we would see Mars initiating action with another planet in transit today. That would help the searchers, LP and LE but we work with what we have.

Salem
11-10-2008, 12:39 PM
Tuba - it appears they are looking in the bank as per your post, several back. I too am saying prayers!

Salem

FifthEssence
11-10-2008, 12:58 PM
My prayers are with Leonard this morning. Mars is no longer idle, not aspecting. Now Mars is on the Moon of Soulscape's death chart and the Part of Fatality of mine. Leonard's progressed Mars in Capricorn is just on sextile to that and his Venus in Virgo is as well. His progressed Mercury is dead bang on Saturn in the heavens.

Since Mars is the agent of searches & investigations, we have wanted for his involvement but after he squared Neptune on Election Day, he did not engage. Ideally, we would see Mars initiating action with another planet in transit today. That would help the searchers, LP and LE but we work with what we have.


Leonard is pushing on and for that many are greatful. He's quite a character; I think he doesn't like he was taken for granted by THE PRISONER and the disrespect dished out to him by the A's. Many would agree this man continues to stimulate interest and is instrumental in keeping focus on the case. This past weekend searches and even today at Blanchard Park has been most helpful in the process of narrowing down the possibilities of Caylee's location. Little Caylee is being heard.

Tuba: I'd also like to say a very SPECIAL THANK YOU for the countless hours and Energy you have devoted to Caylee. Blessing dear one.:blowkiss:

Sparky
11-10-2008, 07:39 PM
Could it be here? I have tried imposing it and it looks good to me, but I am not sure and don't want to waste time tomorrow if this is way off.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sanfor...8&g=sanford+fl

Google in close - notice the boat ramp and the loading dock.

Anyone have any idea about this area?

If you are looking at Sanford, it is further away then 4.75 miles.

magic-cat
11-11-2008, 04:08 AM
My impression & recollection is that KC never wanted to see this Brandon again & that the aversion stemmed from the way he treated her when the miscarriage occurred. She expected she would never encounter him again and then there he was in a social setting. She blew her wig.

My impression is challenged by the fact that she supposedly also questioned why he was dissing her at the party and did he maybe not like her? So, did she feel antagonism toward this man or not? I do think he represented a rum go. The planets can't help us with this one because we don't know when the miscarriage took place.

Hi Tuba. I am catching up-computer woes.:eek:
I am thinking about this "miscarriage" and here is my take on it. Many young women will call an abortion a "miscarriage" to avoid the stigma that may be attached to an abortion in the eyes of those who know them. I do not think that Casey would have wanted another child, and if she found out she had accidentally gotten pregnant, she would not have waited on a miscarriage to take care of it for her. I think she would have made arrangements to have an abortion in the blink of an eye, and then perhaps AFTER the fact, perhaps she "toyed" with the father and told him she was pregnant to see what his reaction was? She may have done this before as well, but in any event, the fact that she told him at all is amazing to me, as I am 100% positive she did not want the one she had and would have gone out of her way to make sure that another one did not manage to be BORN. She would have likely hidden this from everyone, including her mother, as she knew her mom would never approve an abortion. Then when seeing Brandon, as the sociopath within her demands, she played her drama queen cards for all they were worth for his attention and the attention and sympathy of others. She would keep the charade of a miscarriage going in this way, and nobody would ever know that she actually took care of that "little problem" herself. Is it possible that it happened this way?:confused:

technicalconfusion
11-11-2008, 12:20 PM
She would keep the charade of a miscarriage going in this way, and nobody would ever know that she actually took care of that "little problem" herself. Is it possible that it happened this way?:confused:

I agree with you. That's exactly what she did. I know someone who did that as well.

She went to the hospital for a "seizure." Maybe she had some complications from this episode.

Soulscape
11-11-2008, 12:35 PM
I agree with you. That's exactly what she did. I know someone who did that as well.

She went to the hospital for a "seizure." Maybe she had some complications from this episode.


This was previously addressed, and determined astrologically feasible.

See http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2915035&postcount=281

However, at this point, it's neither "here nor there," IMO....

Tuba/ Kaitland/ Housemouse: do any of you see anything of import with the upcoming Full Moon? I noted just before it goes Full, November 13th just after midnight, Moon @ 20 Taurus exactly squares Caylee's ASC/DSC (Leo/Aquarius) axis...


Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-11-2008, 01:24 PM
When you did a chart for Geo. staring into the woods, I posted about the FM at page 4, #176. As you say, Caylee's life and self are accentuated by the Full Moon and Geo. is also activated through his Pluto, squared to the very degree. He has said he was tired of living the lie and Pluto has him extremely uncomfortable in regards to his position; i.e., the public conviction that Caylee is deceased and his maintenance that she is not. Tired of playing the fool.

Since Casey is going through a crisis mid-month, it would seem the prosecution's case is hardening by the day and she will become aware of that, as will we all.

Soulscape
11-11-2008, 04:08 PM
As Tuba points out in post above, prosecutor's case against KC is hardening every day, and GA tires of playing the fool.

CA, on the other hand, continues to slurp up the kool-aid and her current Solar Arc vs Natal shows no signs of let-up and/or touchdown to Earth anytime soon.

See:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CindyAnthonySolarArcvsNatalBiwheel.gif

First, we note that Natal Moon 02 Aquarius* is partile opposite Solar Arc Sun and this opposition is triggered by Natal Neptune at 02 Scorpio. Huge T-Square.

In English, Cindy is at total odds with herself (Sun opposite Moon) and Dear Mr. Fantasy (Neptune) is running the (puppet)show.


(*This 02 Aquarius Moon position is arbitrary, since we do not have CA's exact birth time. Still, I find it enormously interesting how charts reveal the prevailing energies, exact or not...)


Additionally, Solar Arc Moon in delusional Pisces squares Solar Arc Neptune (lies/deceit/illusion/delusion) AND natal Saturn (reality).

So natal Saturn (the reality principle) is actually being battered (square) by a Moon currently living in Fantasyland (Solar Arc Moon in Pisces) and Solar Arc Neptune, the Deceiver. (Also note CA's natal Saturn is Retrograde and in Sagittarius, making it somewhat afflicted to begin with...).

Lastly, Solar Arc Mercury (the mindset/ thinking process) at 17 Cancer trines Solar Arc Moon and closely squares Solar Arc Pluto at 18 Libra (the degree of arrest) which sextiles Solar Arc Neptune (delusion), which we already see is conjunct natal Saturn and square SA Moon... (see how it all ties in? I have colored the aspect lines...)

Solar Arc Mercury in Cancer is fixated on the home, the family, the family traditions. This is an "us against the world" aspect, "our family sticks together through thick & thin" mindset. Mercury trine Moon in Pisces makes it easy (trine) to think unrealistically (Moon in Pisces). And at the same time, CA's thought processes (Mercury) are at odds (square) with the reality of the situation (Pluto in Libra demanding justice be done. It doesn't help at all that CA's natal Mercury (mindset, thought process) at 29 Taurus is conjunct Alcyone, a.k.a. The Pleiades a.k.a. The 7 Weeping Sisters --- always giving something to cry about.

Thanks,
Soulscape

chesterp
11-11-2008, 04:19 PM
Hi Tuba. I am catching up-computer woes.:eek:
I am thinking about this "miscarriage" and here is my take on it. Many young women will call an abortion a "miscarriage" to avoid the stigma that may be attached to an abortion in the eyes of those who know them. I do not think that Casey would have wanted another child, and if she found out she had accidentally gotten pregnant, she would not have waited on a miscarriage to take care of it for her. I think she would have made arrangements to have an abortion in the blink of an eye, and then perhaps AFTER the fact, perhaps she "toyed" with the father and told him she was pregnant to see what his reaction was? She may have done this before as well, but in any event, the fact that she told him at all is amazing to me, as I am 100% positive she did not want the one she had and would have gone out of her way to make sure that another one did not manage to be BORN. She would have likely hidden this from everyone, including her mother, as she knew her mom would never approve an abortion. Then when seeing Brandon, as the sociopath within her demands, she played her drama queen cards for all they were worth for his attention and the attention and sympathy of others. She would keep the charade of a miscarriage going in this way, and nobody would ever know that she actually took care of that "little problem" herself. Is it possible that it happened this way?:confused:

Whenever or however it happened....it was sometime after Caylee was born because when I was talking to CAYLEE...........she told me she was playing with her little sister.

Tuba
11-11-2008, 04:23 PM
Brandon went to SC as a serviceman in November of 2006. One more reason KC was jarred by his presence at the party.

Zoe Bogart
11-11-2008, 05:46 PM
Soulscape, thanks for posting that chart with the lovely aspect markings. That makes it a bit clearer for those who aren't astrologically learned than the charts with all the aspects showing, including those not being discussed at the moment. Excellent job. As I've said, I've studied astrology since my early teen years (too long to speak of :eek:) so I do understand the language, but for others who do not, your chart is perfect.

I still haven't gotten down to business with studying horary or forensics, however. I need to get to it. I have saved most of the discussions from here and the charts so I'll know what I'm looking at later. :crosseyed: What encourages me to learn more is how accurate most of these charts have been! Gives me a whole new respect for this type of astrology. I'm in awe.

Thanks so much, Tuba, Soulscape, Kaitland, and all astrologers here. This is ABSOLUTELY my favorite thread here. :blowkiss:

Lovejac
11-11-2008, 06:58 PM
Brandon went to SC as a serviceman in November of 2006. One more reason KC was jarred by his presence at the party.

:eek::eek: WOW, Tuba!

passionflower
11-11-2008, 08:22 PM
Back on the 1st Astrology thread I analyzed Cindy's #3 Phone to LE, the one in which she finally admitted the baby was gone and that she'd found her daughter's car today and it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car.

Below is the pertinent portion of that analysis and why I thought Caylee lay WEST NORTH WEST of the Anthony house. If you want to read the entire post, it is here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2542258&postcount=327

Also, for what it's worth, I have come to believe that Tim Miller & Team will find our precious Angel. The chart for resuming the search was very auspicious. Three different astrologers using three different approaches came to similar conclusions. Just because it didn't happen the first day out doesn't mean they failed. The Stars indicate they will ultimately prevail.

================================================== ====

So where is Caylee? According to the teachings of Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, you will find the person where the significator is located by House and sign. (See Simplified Horary Astrology)

Caylee is signified by the Sun, located in the turned 12th House/ radix 6th House at 23:54 Cancer. The 6th/ 12th houses are cadent houses. She will be found farther off and may be lost, hidden or secluded, perhaps sent away, in a neighborhood different from that of the querent (Cindy, because she placed the call to LE).

The Sun (Caylee) is in Cancer: reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, water-ways and run-offs, rivers and their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants and plumbing lines.

The direction of Cancer is NORTH, and being a water sign, indicates lowlands (below sea level).

The direction by house and sign is WEST NORTH WEST. The mileage is calculated based on the celestial latitude of the planet that is the significator (the SUN) and the difference in degrees between that planet and the MOON.
Sun is a 00 Latitude giving 1 mile according to Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson. The difference in degrees between significator SUN and the Moon is 4 degrees 46 minutes. 46 minutes is approximately ¾ of 60 (60 minutes in a degree), so the indication is that Caylee is approximately 4.75 miles away from her home in a WEST NORTH WEST DIRECTION, or its opposite, EAST SOUTH EAST. (If you superimpose the chart over a land map, you will see the SUN (Caylee) in the EAST SOUTH EAST area.) (See Simplified Horary Astrology page 72)


Thanks,
Soulscape

I hope LP reads this, any help in a direction for him to search........contact him? Also remnant found........the cross????

Zoe Bogart
11-11-2008, 10:02 PM
Back on the 1st Astrology thread I analyzed Cindy's #3 Phone to LE, the one in which she finally admitted the baby was gone and that she'd found her daughter's car today and it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car.

Below is the pertinent portion of that analysis and why I thought Caylee lay WEST NORTH WEST of the Anthony house. If you want to read the entire post, it is here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2542258&postcount=327

Also, for what it's worth, I have come to believe that Tim Miller & Team will find our precious Angel. The chart for resuming the search was very auspicious. Three different astrologers using three different approaches came to similar conclusions. Just because it didn't happen the first day out doesn't mean they failed. The Stars indicate they will ultimately prevail.

================================================== ====

So where is Caylee? According to the teachings of Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, you will find the person where the significator is located by House and sign. (See Simplified Horary Astrology)

Caylee is signified by the Sun, located in the turned 12th House/ radix 6th House at 23:54 Cancer. The 6th/ 12th houses are cadent houses. She will be found farther off and may be lost, hidden or secluded, perhaps sent away, in a neighborhood different from that of the querent (Cindy, because she placed the call to LE).

The Sun (Caylee) is in Cancer: reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, water-ways and run-offs, rivers and their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants and plumbing lines.

The direction of Cancer is NORTH, and being a water sign, indicates lowlands (below sea level).

The direction by house and sign is WEST NORTH WEST. The mileage is calculated based on the celestial latitude of the planet that is the significator (the SUN) and the difference in degrees between that planet and the MOON.
Sun is a 00 Latitude giving 1 mile according to Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson. The difference in degrees between significator SUN and the Moon is 4 degrees 46 minutes. 46 minutes is approximately ¾ of 60 (60 minutes in a degree), so the indication is that Caylee is approximately 4.75 miles away from her home in a WEST NORTH WEST DIRECTION, or its opposite, EAST SOUTH EAST. (If you superimpose the chart over a land map, you will see the SUN (Caylee) in the EAST SOUTH EAST area.) (See Simplified Horary Astrology page 72)


Thanks,
Soulscape



So, by looking at an Orlando map, it doesn't appear Blanchard Park is West North West nor East South East of the Anthony house. :waitasec: So LP is looking in the wrong place? Could that location WNW or ESE be from somewhere else other than the Anthony home? I'm not sure how it's being calculated and which is the starting point.

Soulscape
11-11-2008, 10:44 PM
So, by looking at an Orlando map, it doesn't appear Blanchard Park is West North West nor East South East of the Anthony house. :waitasec: So LP is looking in the wrong place? Could that location WNW or ESE be from somewhere else other than the Anthony home? I'm not sure how it's being calculated and which is the starting point.

I am not very good with Google Earth --- but I don't think Blanchard Park is where KC left Caylee, because she mentioned it too frequently. I don't think KC would have given the correct location under any circumstances. From what I could see on Google Earth 4.75 mi. approx WNW of Hopespring Drive appears to be residential neighborhood, so that doesn't look right either. I cannot tell what ESE would be although it doesn't look residential on Google Earth.

As far as where Leonard is looking, I fear it is in the wrong place, although I hope I am wrong.

Thanks,
Soulscape

KAITLAND
11-11-2008, 11:36 PM
I am always amazed by the directional charts! I have no experience in those, so it's way over my head. Thanks for the beautifully done chart SS. Any way we can get this info to LP? I do also think that ultimately searchers will prevail in finding Caylee. Even though she is well hidden - transits will part the clouds of neptune, laying bare her resting place. As future transits (not just months from now, but ongoing into several years) apply stress to Casey....she might be forced to tip her hand a bit to mitigate the harshness of her sentence. She will NOT like being incarcerated. And yes, I do believe she will be found guilty...even if there is no body disovery. She is indeed riding the crest of JB hopefully utterances of "their forensics are not solid". While the forensics are not perfect.....her lies, evasion, partying, lack of fear/dread/outrage at the loss of her daughter are PERFECTLY documented in word, on film, and up front in person for every rational juror to analyze. There is not a good mother alive who has not recoiled in disbelief at the charade being performed on daily tv.
Am wondering if new date has been set to hear arguments for the proposed gag order? Saw experts on NG the other day saying that LE must have some very potent evidence coming out that they want saved for trial!

suggie
11-11-2008, 11:53 PM
I sometimes see things or get vibes..anyhow, I saw KC holding on to stones, larger than brick and these were nice stones like ones that are used to identify different neighborhoods, for instance, mine is mockingbird. Anyhow, these stones were put together, like a brick wall and I only saw one side and it was circular, at least the half I saw, and I was way down and I could look up and see KC's whole face looking over the side and holding on I could just see fingers on the hands. It was black and white so I am not sure if the stones had any color. These types of stones are also used on very nice buildings. When I read Soulscapes posts about wells and such for Caylee, I got cold chills and had to post. I am in Maryland and do not know if anyplace like this is in Florida.

I thank everyone here for all of the hard work and you have encouraged me to be a beginner at this. I do not know where to start. Thanks, Suggie

Zoe Bogart
11-12-2008, 01:04 AM
I originally tried to figure it out using a street map then I went to Google Earth. At ESE, it doesn't look like much except undeveloped area or fields or a mixture of both. Where my arrow lands is below the Bee Line Expressway (Hwy 528) about .75 mile (3/4 mile) north of Wewahootee Road and a railroad track that runs near it. On the street map, this area appears blank. On Google Earth is looks like maybe a marshy area with some trees and appears to have a road or roads circling it.

(28° 26' 17.42" N - 81° 11' 51.67" W)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/MarshyAreaOrlando.jpg

Here's the street map of the same area. Hopespring Drive is marked by the red pointer. The black blob marks the area shown above in the Google Earth image.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/MarshyAreaOnStreetMAp.jpg

Here's the mile ruler (yellow line) from Google Earth.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/4_50milesHopespring.jpg

Of course, it may be off somewhat, as I guessed ESE approximately.

FifthEssence
11-12-2008, 01:23 AM
respectfully snipped from KAITLAND post:
Am wondering if new date has been set to hear arguments for the proposed gag order? Saw experts on NG the other day saying that LE must have some very potent evidence coming out that they want saved for trial![/QUOTE]


No date has been rescheduled as of yesterday. Last article I could find was:
http://origin-www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-gag-order-111008,0,1479793.story.

Hearing on gag order canceled in Casey Anthony case
November 10, 2008
An afternoon hearing for the state's request for a gag order in the Casey Anthony case was canceled. Court officials said there was a scheduling conflict with attorneys. A new hearing date has not been announced.

Prosecutors are asking Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland to issue gag order prohibiting cops, lawyers and family members from talking publicly about the Casey Anthony case.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANGELstarsSMALL.jpg

technicalconfusion
11-12-2008, 01:54 AM
I originally tried to figure it out using a street map then I went to Google Earth. At ESE, it doesn't look like much except undeveloped area or fields or a mixture of both. Where my arrow lands is below the Bee Line Expressway (Hwy 528) about .75 miles north of Wewahootee Road and a railroad track that runs near it. On the street map, this area appears blank. On Google Earth is looks like maybe a marshy area with some trees and appears to have a road or roads circling it.

Check out this thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2930455#post2930455

Look at cocoamom's posts. Specifically, post 559. Does it seem to be wnw or ese?

ETA: She also posted this on another thread, and here's the response:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2930701&postcount=167

I don't know the area.

LetJusticePrevail
11-12-2008, 02:17 AM
When you did a chart for Geo. staring into the woods, I posted about the FM at page 4, #176. As you say, Caylee's life and self are accentuated by the Full Moon and Geo. is also activated through his Pluto, squared to the very degree. He has said he was tired of living the lie and Pluto has him extremely uncomfortable in regards to his position; i.e., the public conviction that Caylee is deceased and his maintenance that she is not. Tired of playing the fool.

Since Casey is going through a crisis mid-month, it would seem the prosecution's case is hardening by the day and she will become aware of that, as will we all.

Tuba, I am hanging on every letter of every word of yours above. I so hope we will soon learn this is the case and be able to take solace in at least the fact, some justice will be served for Caylee.

Zoe Bogart
11-12-2008, 02:34 AM
For my WNW findings, I came upon this (28° 31' 32.56"N - 81° 18' 57.91"W):

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/WNW_HopespringGoogle.jpg

Above is the mile ruler (yellow line) from Google Earth marking 4.50 miles approx. WNW from Hopespring Drive.


Here it is on a street map:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/WNW_of_HopespringDr.jpg


Here's a close up of the WNW area:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/WNW-closeup.jpg

The ruler comes closest to Egan Park, but notice how large and inviting Demetree Park could appear to a crazed person. Off to the right of Demetree is El Dorado Park. There's an airport to the NW of the area, plus other lakes, too.

The surrounding main streets in this area are: Holland N E Expressway and Lake Underhill Road, S Conway Rd, Curry Ford Road, and S Semoran Blvd. Sawgrass Apartments complex isn't far from here, just south of E Michigan on S Conway between Lakes Parker and Tennessee.

Of course, this is all approximate because I don't know how to get exact direction locations.

LetJusticePrevail
11-12-2008, 04:04 AM
Has anyone done a chart on our prosecutor LL? Would that help to glean anything? Found out he was born April 5, 1942 in West Palm Beach

Zoe Bogart
11-12-2008, 05:04 AM
Check out this thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2930455#post2930455

Look at cocoamom's posts. Specifically, post 559. Does it seem to be wnw or ese?

ETA: She also posted this on another thread, and here's the response:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2930701&postcount=167

I don't know the area.



Are we confused yet? :crosseyed: I know I am, I keep having to check my maps!

After reading her post more carefully (at first, I thought she was still talking about the Blanchard Park area) and the checking map, I see she is actually talking about Goldenrod just above 50, which is north of the Anthony's house, but slightly westerly. So while it's more northerly, it does lean toward the west. If you follow a straight line from the Anthony's house, then cross over a bit to the west, you have the location on Goldenrod! So could the chart have meant slightly north but a bit westerly? Soulscape? Tuba?

A straight line north from Hopespring Dr (Anthony house) would bring us just east of Hwy 417 at Colonial (Hwy 50). We then turn west, cross 50 and head to Goldenrod, then north to the church (1/2 mile). Not exactly what I call true WNW, but on a narrow scale, it could be. It's very close to where she left her car at the Amscot. However, this location is 6.38 miles from the A house and didn't the astrologers say Caylee's location is only about 4.5 miles away?

I'm wondering, if Casey put Caylee here, near the church, why did Cindy freak out at Blanchard Park? Other than the fact that Cindy freaks out on occasion, like clockwork.

technicalconfusion
11-12-2008, 09:21 AM
Are we confused yet? :crosseyed: I know I am, I keep having to check my maps!

Googlemaps tends to crash my machine, so I can't study a map the way I want to. A quick glance for me is about it, so thank you for looking.



I'm wondering, if Casey put Caylee here, near the church, why did Cindy freak out at Blanchard Park? Other than the fact that Cindy freaks out on occasion, like clockwork.

Just speculating, but maybe she's trying to throw people off the scent. Either Caylee is there, she knows it and freaked, or Caylee is not there, she knows it and freaked to make us think she is.

Maybe Caylee was moved and CA thinks she was moved there.

Maybe Caylee was put somewhere in the exact opposite of Blanchard Park.

Another thought I just had (which is dangerous when I haven't had all of my coffee) = What about wnw in the park itself? Starting from the entrance, and go west north west. Or east south east. Blanchard Park is 84 acres. How big is that in mileage? (I'm thinking of the 4.75 miles) When I looked at the 2 maps, going to Blanchard Park frm Hopespring Drive was 9.6 miles. Going to the church from Hopespring Drive was 7.8 - both by car.

KAITLAND
11-12-2008, 10:50 AM
Has anyone done a chart on our prosecutor LL? Would that help to glean anything? Found out he was born April 5, 1942 in West Palm Beach

Great find Misheley! Will try to get up a chart sometime today and see what we have. Thanks! kait

suggie
11-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Googlemaps tends to crash my machine, so I can't study a map the way I want to. A quick glance for me is about it, so thank you for looking.



Just speculating, but maybe she's trying to throw people off the scent. Either Caylee is there, she knows it and freaked, or Caylee is not there, she knows it and freaked to make us think she is.

Maybe Caylee was moved and CA thinks she was moved there.

Maybe Caylee was put somewhere in the exact opposite of Blanchard Park.

Another thought I just had (which is dangerous when I haven't had all of my coffee) = What about wnw in the park itself? Starting from the entrance, and go west north west. Or east south east. Blanchard Park is 84 acres. How big is that in mileage? (I'm thinking of the 4.75 miles) When I looked at the 2 maps, going to Blanchard Park frm Hopespring Drive was 9.6 miles. Going to the church from Hopespring Drive was 7.8 - both by car.


I agree and I think you all are on the right track. I do think KC moved her little body more than once, while trying to figure out where to put her. I would be interested to know if she bought or "borrrowed/stole" any type of bag/suitcase on wheels. I think this is how she finally put her at her final resting place, not necessary in the bag (used to move her without being noticed). And she gave her a KC type memorial and she was finished/done but I do think her actions are weighing heavy on her mind as she has nothing to do but [B]think[B] and :eat:

Theonly1
11-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Aksleuth,

I know the Orlando area well. What if we extended the line just a tad to Lake Underhill (the lake with the expressway over it) (I was really against thinking she threw her there due to active construction in the area). Also, what if we knocked the line down to Lake Tennessee which is DIRECTLY across from the Sawgrass Apartments?

I'm willing to snorkel in any lakes where there aren't TONS of gators (like there are in Jessup).

FifthEssence
11-12-2008, 11:11 AM
Aksleuth,

I know the Orlando area well. What if we extended the line just a tad to Lake Underhill (the lake with the expressway over it) (I was really against thinking she threw her there due to active construction in the area). Also, what if we knocked the line down to Lake Tennessee which is DIRECTLY across from the Sawgrass Apartments?

I'm willing to snorkel in any lakes where there aren't TONS of gators (like there are in Jessup).

Just sent a message to TURBOTHINK to see if she is still in Orlando w/her dogs and have referred her to your post and inquiry.

BE SAFE
God Bless you:blowkiss:

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Lovejac
11-12-2008, 11:20 AM
Just a thought!

Has anyone thought that a good question for a chart could be

"Where are Caylee Marie Anthony's remains right now?"

In case they were moved (by someones hand, animals or the weather)

Soulscape
11-12-2008, 11:51 AM
Just a thought!

Has anyone thought that a good question for a chart could be

"Where are Caylee Marie Anthony's remains right now?"

In case they were moved (by someones hand, animals or the weather)

Hi Lovejac,

Please post the geographic coordinates for your physical location when you asked the question.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-12-2008, 12:14 PM
When we're staring at the scales in dismay on the day following Thanksgiving, Casey will be heavy from the transits of Mars and Mercury to her Saturn, Sun in attendance. There is defeat in that collection of planets.

If a sociopath has a swinging brick for a heart, what does she have for a conscience? A bucket of lead. From that sinking feeling of Mars on Saturn, if nothing more she will know that acts which violated society's norms have incarcerated her and that it is not a place she likes to call home. The enclosed tedium of the days is weighing on her fey spirits.

When Casey concocted the kidnapper, she had her own shadow, her dark under side to work from. "If I mouth off, if I take overt action, if I walk in, the kidnapper will harm my child." And that, of course, is exactly what Cindy did and so Casey harmed her child. That's right, you dare not move for fear of offending volcanic Casey or from her great power, there will be great consequences.

Well, she is no longer the maestro of consequences and they keep on coming. December is punishing with bombardment from every angle and that has already been laid out. Saturn square natal Mars, Mars transiting natal Mars Uranus, Sun transiting natal Mars Uranus, Moon opposing at the Full Moon, and transit Uranus on stand-by.

The impending New Moon on 21 November squares Casey's Jupiter and heralds a most unlucky period.



(Lovejac, a horary was done for Sparky on that question just before the search.)

KAITLAND
11-12-2008, 12:26 PM
Is LP searching around the church? Caylee's 4th h scorpio has modern ruler mars in taurus in the 9th house which holds rulership over churches; traditional rulership is pluto and her's is in sagittarius - this is under jupiter, who in turn rules the 9th house of religion/churches. So, could be a connection there.

Tuba - yes, dreadful aspects for Casey beginning end of Nov. Full moon Dec 12th at 21:02 Gemini sets off crisis of Grand Cross aspect. She will not be feeling pretty.

First time trying to edit a post - so bear with me: meant to write: scorpio-traditional ruler mars, and pluto modern rule. Said it backwards!

Tuba
11-12-2008, 01:01 PM
I meant to include the Thanksgiving information about the fortunes of the state's case. Jupiter in Capricorn (gov't) will be on the antiscion or solstice point of the headache in Casey's chart: Mars, Mercury & Sun on her Saturn. This improves the state's position at her expense and marks a water shed moment in development of the prosecution's case.

I haven't been shy about calling for a new lead prosecutor, although I should have been. I'm giving thanks because we have one. He comes in on this new good luck in the state's corner. I am not disparaging the competence of the personnel previously assigned but there was not a winning personality in sight.

dapa4por
11-12-2008, 01:09 PM
KAITLAND are you talking about the church Cocomama found on the "LP keep searching" if not I was wondering if someone could do a chart on the time she posted to see what comes up.:)

21merc7
11-12-2008, 01:49 PM
Just want to thank all of the Asto's here. Your charts and explanations help to understand the case better and keep things in proper perspective, which is much needed. I must say I tried to study astology nearly 10 years ago, it was too complicated for me. I was in a place that would not be good for learning something so complicated, (getting divorced from the man whom is still my best friend to this day, lol!), but I just couldn't grasp it all. Thank you for all the time you spend on this and for sharing it with us.

KAITLAND
11-12-2008, 03:44 PM
KAITLAND are you talking about the church Cocomama found on the "LP keep searching" if not I was wondering if someone could do a chart on the time she posted to see what comes up.:)


Yes that is the post I was reading. Do we have any info as to whether this search will really take place? By LP?

KAITLAND
11-12-2008, 04:40 PM
Early tomorrow morning full moon across Scorpio-Taurus 21:14 falls across Caylee's medium coeli/innum coeli (4th house/10th house) axis. Mercury has just passed over her mars, but is not yet to the medium coeli. Perhaps some type of press release? News about the gag order? Also 4th-10th house is the axis of parentage. This FM has softer aspects to Casey's chart, but cushion short lived.

FifthEssence
11-12-2008, 05:42 PM
[QUOTE=Tuba;2932071]When we're staring at the scales in dismay on the day following Thanksgiving, Casey will be heavy from the transits of Mars and Mercury to her Saturn, Sun in attendance. There is defeat in that collection of planets.

If a sociopath has a swinging brick for a heart, what does she have for a conscience? A bucket of lead. From that sinking feeling of Mars on Saturn, if nothing more she will know that acts which violated society's norms have incarcerated her and that it is not a place she likes to call home. The enclosed tedium of the days is weighing on her fey spirits.

When Casey concocted the kidnapper, she had her own shadow, her dark under side to work from. "If I mouth off, if I take overt action, if I walk in, the kidnapper will harm my child." And that, of course, is exactly what Cindy did and so Casey harmed her child. That's right, you dare not move for fear of offending volcanic Casey or from her great power, there will be great consequences.

Well, she is no longer the maestro of consequences and they keep on coming. December is punishing with bombardment from every angle and that has already been laid out. Saturn square natal Mars, Mars transiting natal Mars Uranus, Sun transiting natal Mars Uranus, Moon opposing at the Full Moon, and transit Uranus on stand-by.

The impending New Moon on 21 November squares Casey's Jupiter and heralds a most unlucky period.[QUOTE]


Ahhhh, good news from Tuba. She needs to be shaken up big time. We'll be looking forward to God's 'collective' planetary squeeze on her this December beginning with the New Moon Nov. 21st; it'll weigh heavily on her psyche. Will the walls in The PRISONER's Quarters close in on her and rob her of oxygen? No wind left in the sails? Will she hear Caylee's voice?

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Dolce171
11-12-2008, 06:09 PM
Tuba, Soulscape, Kaitland - I hope that you have been able to see the awesome pics CocoaMom has posted from the church. I am sitting here on pins and needles to get your thoughts on the matter .......The embankment, the trees, etc .. all seem to line up. I tried to see if there were any yellow flowers .. only spotted one pic .. very tiny yellow flower (but then again it is not really the time of year for blooming) ....

Soulscape
11-12-2008, 09:05 PM
Tuba, Soulscape, Kaitland - I hope that you have been able to see the awesome pics CocoaMom has posted from the church. I am sitting here on pins and needles to get your thoughts on the matter .......The embankment, the trees, etc .. all seem to line up. I tried to see if there were any yellow flowers .. only spotted one pic .. very tiny yellow flower (but then again it is not really the time of year for blooming) ....

I just finished reading 11 pages of CocoaMom's thread. I didn't get goosebumps like some of the others and if anything, I feel skeptical, but hopeful too, if you can imagine feeling both emotions at the same time.

All things considered, the direction & mileage isn't that far off from the chart's WEST NORTH WEST & 4.75 miles. I went to Google Earth and it seems the location is approx. 7-1/2 miles from Anthony home, more NORTH than WEST.

I don't know if Caylee is there but feel the location should definitely be checked out. (I was shocked to hear Yuri blew her off...) I sure hope CocoaMom gets permission from the Church to search, the sooner the better...


Thanks,
Soulscape

passionflower
11-12-2008, 09:43 PM
I originally tried to figure it out using a street map then I went to Google Earth. At ESE, it doesn't look like much except undeveloped area or fields or a mixture of both. Where my arrow lands is below the Bee Line Expressway (Hwy 528) about .75 mile (3/4 mile) north of Wewahootee Road and a railroad track that runs near it. On the street map, this area appears blank. On Google Earth is looks like maybe a marshy area with some trees and appears to have a road or roads circling it.

(28° 26' 17.42" N - 81° 11' 51.67" W)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/MarshyAreaOrlando.jpg

Here's the street map of the same area. Hopespring Drive is marked by the red pointer. The black blob marks the area shown above in the Google Earth image.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/MarshyAreaOnStreetMAp.jpg

Here's the mile ruler (yellow line) from Google Earth.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/4_50milesHopespring.jpg

Of course, it may be off somewhat, as I guessed ESE approximately.

I hope someone can get this info to LP!!!! and cocoamom's suggestions!!!

Pink Panther
11-12-2008, 09:47 PM
I hope someone can get this info to LP!!!! and cocoamom's suggestions!!!

I can't find the post, but last night someone also suggested that the end of Fabian Street (directly across the street from the Amscott) should be checked! If you look on google map, it would fit as well. It's really close to the Amscott but secluded and woodsy at the end and has a reservoir/pond. I wish I could find that post to link but I've searched and searched to no avail!

Dolce171
11-12-2008, 10:19 PM
I just finished reading 11 pages of CocoaMom's thread. I didn't get goosebumps like some of the others and if anything, I feel skeptical, but hopeful too, if you can imagine feeling both emotions at the same time.

All things considered, the direction & mileage isn't that far off from the chart's WEST NORTH WEST & 4.75 miles. I went to Google Earth and it seems the location is approx. 7-1/2 miles from Anthony home, more NORTH than WEST.

I don't know if Caylee is there but feel the location should definitely be checked out. (I was shocked to hear Yuri blew her off...) I sure hope CocoaMom gets permission from the Church to search, the sooner the better...


Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you for your response Soulscape :)

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 01:21 PM
Check out David918's post on CocoaMom's Church Theory thread (#527):


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2936708&postcount=527

I am particularly intrigued by David918's suspicion KC moved the body for the last time the night of 6/30 - morning of 7/1 (while TonE was out of town)...

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Salem
11-13-2008, 01:29 PM
Interesting post. He could be right. Of interest is that in the Bella Vida area - it is the only time ever she pinged those towers. Indicates this was an area she did not go to often, if ever, so to be there in the middle of the night would be a tad scary, IMO. If I was sleeping in my car, I sure wouldn't go someplace I was unfamilar with....

Salem

FifthEssence
11-13-2008, 02:27 PM
Check out David918's post on CocoaMom's Church Theory thread (#527):


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2936708&postcount=527

I am particularly intrigued by David918's suspicion KC moved the body for the last time the night of 6/30 - morning of 7/1 (while TonE was out of town)...

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Soulscape



Yeah, no more pings in the Bella Vida street area after 7/30 into 7/1 a.m.? hmmm...very interesting. I continue to feel she disposed of miscellaneous items in her travels around town, anything that could be considered evidence or reveal an incident.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANGELstars1.jpg

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 02:34 PM
If KC moved the body the night of 6/30 - morning of 7/1, it would have been in TonE's jeep. Does anyone know if TonE's jeep was ever investigated by LE? Also, on the Shower at Jesse G thread, it was stated KC took the shower at JG's on July 1st.

I am looking at charts within this July 1, 2008, 2:00 am - 10:00 am timeline & right off the bat not seeing anything blatantly obvious, although the 2:00am chart looks suspicious... (I'll try to give a closer look later today.)

Tuba, Kaitland? Do either of you have time now to take a look?

Thanks,
Soulscape

KAITLAND
11-13-2008, 02:42 PM
Will try to take a look later today. Running late for an appointment and have out of town guests coming for the next 4-5 days!
L
LP turned over a black bag of toys (found in water) to LE - includes plastic shamrock toy -- didn't Caylee have one of these?

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 02:57 PM
There is all sorts of commotion going on over at the LP search at BP thread --- they found SOMETHING... and Murt was crying.

I don't know what to think... my hopes have been dashed so many times now.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Theonly1
11-13-2008, 03:02 PM
The news is reporting a clover leaf toy was found in the water.

Can you do a chart for June the 19th? I think this was the day Casey disposed of Caylee at Blanchard (if that is where Caylee's remains are located).

KAITLAND
11-13-2008, 03:32 PM
LP diver's found bag with child toys, small BONES, and shamrock toy. Reported on www.wesh.com TUBA????????? I am sooo late for an appointment but can barely tear myself away. I do think this could be it. They said LP turned over info to FBI on TUESDAY proving Caylee was in the water.......

Tuba
11-13-2008, 06:13 PM
I wasn't here when the discovery was made but my planetary buzzer went off and I did cast the chart. I almost fell into a horary but caught myself in time since I live on the opposite coast. Therefore, the chart is for the event of the divers pulling up the sack weighted with bricks and the bones and toys.

Uranus was rising opposite Saturn of bones and weights. The Moon, ruler of the child, is on The Weeping Sisters and parallel Jupiter, having just opposed the search & dive planet, Mars in Scorpio. Part of Fortune is with the bones.

Mercury is parallel Neptune, the chart ruler but the Sun is square Neptune. That one gives me pause because any planet on the hidden side of H. 9 indicates a person who is secretly planning a trip. This person is someone affiliated with the case who gives service, H. 6. This individual and the prisoner, Neptune, are at odds. Indeed, the Sign of imprisonment, sorrows, rivers, self-undoing rises and so does the planet ruling H. 12.

Coming to public notice are Venus and Pluto, conjunct: toys & charms and a garbage sack. They are disposited by Jupiter of fortunate circumstances and high hopes (H. 11) sextile the surprise of Uranus.

The state atty's planets make lots of contacts to this chart, so I would not be too quick in dismissing this find.

21merc7
11-13-2008, 06:17 PM
Thank you Tuba! I am pretty sure something is in that find, least my instincts say so. You just made me feel a lot less silly.

Tuba
11-13-2008, 06:27 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ShamrockToysBones012.jpg

Result! No matter the Fate of this evidence, it is progress to discover these items which include the shamrock. Every single thing which is dropped into the collection counts. They are all reminders, perhaps most especially to Casey, that nothing disappears forever. I call my expert witness, Professor Albert Energy Einstein.

The chart is set for 2 p.m., using the mean node.

21merc7
11-13-2008, 06:31 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ShamrockToysBones012.jpg

Result! No matter the Fate of this evidence, it is progress to discover these items which include the shamrock. Every single thing which is dropped into the collection counts. They are all reminders, perhaps most especially to Casey, that nothing disappears forever. I call my expert witness, Professor Albert Energy Einstein.

The chart is set for 2 p.m., using the mean node.

Well stated. I bow to your wisdom of the infinite.

Dolce171
11-13-2008, 06:41 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ShamrockToysBones012.jpg

Result! No matter the Fate of this evidence, it is progress to discover these items which include the shamrock. Every single thing which is dropped into the collection counts. They are all reminders, perhaps most especially to Casey, that nothing disappears forever. I call my expert witness, Professor Albert Energy Einstein.

The chart is set for 2 p.m., using the mean node.


Tuba,
Your post brings encouragement to a rather "heavy hearted" day. Thank you for bringing to light that nothing disappears forever (did you hear that CASEY????).

I read on another thread that Casey caught part of something they were showing on television but then the guard moved her along. I will look for proof of this report and confirm back.

Sending warm thoughts your way....:blowkiss:

LetJusticePrevail
11-13-2008, 07:21 PM
Also reported was that LE arrived at A's home and left with a brown bag. It would be interesting if we could find out if JB makes a visit to KC tonight. I saw at one point someone posted a visitor's log. Does anyone know if there's a way to access logs on the jail site? I wasn't able to find it. Actually, don't bother responding - I'm going to call them to find out if this is info available to the public. Maybe we can get a reading on time of visit.

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!!

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ShamrockToysBones012.jpg

Result! No matter the Fate of this evidence, it is progress to discover these items which include the shamrock. Every single thing which is dropped into the collection counts. They are all reminders, perhaps most especially to Casey, that nothing disappears forever. I call my expert witness, Professor Albert Energy Einstein.

The chart is set for 2 p.m., using the mean node.

LetJusticePrevail
11-13-2008, 07:36 PM
Just found out info on who's visited inmates is not public record. Oh well, scratch my idea on whether JB's going there tonight. Damn!

Dolce171
11-13-2008, 07:48 PM
LINK TO ARTICLE -
Casey - Jail - Dayroom television and news from Blanchard Park

http://www.wesh.com/news/17970481/detail.htm

"Casey Anthony is in Orange County Jail awaiting trial on first-degree murder and other charges. Prosecutors said she killed her daughter, who has not been seen since June.

A jail spokesman said she was watching television in a jail dayroom when news came from Blanchard Park. Guards asked her to return to her cell when they saw what was being broadcast, and Anthony went without comment, spokesman Allen Moore said."

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As Tuba so eloquently stated - NOTHING DISAPPEARS FOREVER!!!!

Virtual Truth
11-13-2008, 08:30 PM
Check out David918's post on CocoaMom's Church Theory thread (#527):


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2936708&postcount=527

I am particularly intrigued by David918's suspicion KC moved the body for the last time the night of 6/30 - morning of 7/1 (while TonE was out of town)...

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape,
This is haunting to me. Remember that TonE said that KC was having nightmare/sweats after he returned from NY on July 5. If she moved the body on 6/30 - 7/1, I'm sure the thoughts and smells would give anyone nightmares!! Thanks for your good work!! Just a thought....

Pink Panther
11-13-2008, 08:48 PM
Just found out info on who's visited inmates is not public record. Oh well, scratch my idea on whether JB's going there tonight. Damn!
REALLY? Since when? They were always public record before. That's how we found out about Patrick B...Did you end up phoning them or did you find this information somewhere else?

LetJusticePrevail
11-13-2008, 08:57 PM
I called the automated attendant number (407) 836-3400 listed on http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/DEPT/correct/default.htm?REDID={A89F878B-E267-4F73-AF81-FA65A0F50867}
and waited for an operator who told me there's no way for me to find out that info. I thought someone on here had gotten the info one time, since I saw it but after the woman told me this, I thought maybe that info was released through the media. Maybe someone else can try calling the number to see if they get a different response??? Hint, Hint



REALLY? Since when? They were always public record before. That's how we found out about Patrick B...Did you end up phoning them or did you find this information somewhere else?

cocoamom
11-13-2008, 09:02 PM
Hi guys! Regarding the yellow flowers you mentioned - I thought it was very odd...When I Google Earthed this church, and went to street level, the entrance had alternating small white and red flowers. I remember saying to myself how pretty that was - when I drove there to take the photos and was turning in, I noticed all the flowers were not red and white, but a full flowerbed of small bright yellow flowers - all one color...I thought I ought to take a pic because I have read of your yellow flower threads but the traffic and people were too bad for me to stop going in or out..

I was hoping that they found her today. I don't care where or by whom, I just want her found!! Thanks for your input and I DO read your thread as do the naysayers of psychic abilities. I'm kinda on the fence about all of it but I have seen some pretty amazing things happen that psychics predicted so I never discount it. Why do you all think I took pics of the Hawk's sign, the soccer field, the pond, noticed the flowers, heart stopped when I saw the wooden bridge like "stage" thing....I heard all of that on your thread! Keep it up everyone!! We all read you!

LetJusticePrevail
11-13-2008, 09:10 PM
To all the experts, I'd sent an email to LL (prosecutor) and got a reply which is just a generic type reply but wanted to share it privately with one, or all of you to see if you'd like to do a chart on it. Maybe you'd find some meaning in it based on time of receipt, etc. Please let me know if you'd like me to provide you with it. Thanks.

waltzingmatilda
11-13-2008, 10:12 PM
Thank you cocoamom.....for your kind words and all the hard work you have been doing. So great to see folks working together. It seems miss kc manages to cause dissention among all associated with this case. I admire your for your diligence and open mind in the goal we all share, which is Caylee being found and laid to rest properly. YOU Rock!

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 10:17 PM
Both quotes below from David918 on CocoaMom's Church Theory Thread
<<Respectfully snipped & bolded>>

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74902&page=23

Yes there is a Bella Vita Blvd in east Orlando. ... something happened the night of 6-30 into the early morning hours of 7-1. There were cell pings off the tower that serves Blanchard Park YMCA area from 12:07am to 2:00 am then those pings moved east to an area that has Bella Vita Blvd. Pings from towers that surround Bella Vita Blvd occured from 2:00 am to 10:00 am on July 1 (approx). ...Worth noting is the pings in the Bella Vita Blvd area only happened on the early morning hours of 7-1 and never again. This area is full of new construction - nice big homes - private community. KC did the tatoo Bella Vita either on July 2 or July 3 depending on how you interpret the cell pings. So I ask again .. isnt it strange that KC pinged off the primary tower serving Blanchard Park YMCA area from 12am - 2am then moved east from 2am to 10 am in an area that had Bella Vita Blvd surrounded by cell towers? No sleep that night ... first night away from Tony L .. in a Jeep not a Sunfire ... why didnt she just stay at Tony L apartment? this is the timeframe of interest and why LP is at the river search now ... LP gets it where most dont.


IMO ... KC was disposing of CL in the river where LP is now searching. LP divers may not find it but LP is spot on here. If you just take out the emotion of this whole deal and follow the "out of normal" activities you will get it. Why else would KC be in the BP area from 12am to 2am? The events of this night were not documented prior and not documented after. KC acted out on this night ... it makes perfect sense if you look at it considering the events of the last 2 days. I appreciate the sleuthing taking place on this thread concerning the church theory but how can you overlook the fact KC was in the BP area "alone" 12am to 2am then moved east from 2am to 10am before going back to the area near TonyL apartment? The ping data supports this and the fact that the river in BP is so hot right now only makes it more possible.

Thoughts?
Thanks,
Soulscape

Lake Erie Princess
11-13-2008, 10:43 PM
Soulscape I have always felt CL was at Blanchard Park, placed in the sawgrass, out of site.

Of course she did move when we had they had the last storm.

Somewhere in the Econ River she rests waiting for someone to place her
in a final resting place with dignity.

Pings in this area from 12 - 2 am ? She is there in the park (water/river) waiting to be found.

Wasn't 11/17 the BEST day for a find ? We MUST keep LP in the area to finish
what he started.

FifthEssence
11-13-2008, 10:43 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ShamrockToysBones012.jpg

Result! No matter the Fate of this evidence, it is progress to discover these items which include the shamrock. Every single thing which is dropped into the collection counts. They are all reminders, perhaps most especially to Casey, that nothing disappears forever. I call my expert witness, Professor Albert Energy Einstein.

The chart is set for 2 p.m., using the mean node.

Tuba...you are soooo VISUAL:clap:

SIGNS and SYMBOLS - all Relative and very stimulating

C A Y L E E wants to be found

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANGELstars1.jpg

petresq_algc
11-13-2008, 10:47 PM
I am so upset by the recent negative aspect to LP & TM's relationship, as I have held them both in high regard. My question is if anyone spotted anything in either of their charts regarding this & whether or not it will have any lasting negative effects on the true collective mission of finding Caylee.

Thank you so much for ALL the time & work you guys have put into these beautiful charts :) Blessed Be!!!!

Lovejac
11-13-2008, 10:53 PM
Soulscape I have always felt CL was at Blanchard Park, placed in the sawgrass, out of site.

Of course she did move when we had they had the last storm.

Somewhere in the Econ River she rests waiting for someone to place her
in a final resting place with dignity.

Pings in this area from 12 - 2 am ? She is there in the park (water/river) waiting to be found.

Wasn't 11/17 the BEST day for a find ? We MUST keep LP in the area to finish
what he started.

I agree also Lake Erie. I pray that LP can let this role off of his back and please stay and finish.

I would like to see SOMEONE finish what they started and I think he is the man to do it.

LP deals with criminals on a daily basis as a BH, he is the best person IMO to try and get into casey's evil little mind.

Please God, let him stay! When I read Tuba's post about 'someone close to this planning a secret trip" I immediately worried that LP had had enough and would be leaving soon.

Lovejac
11-13-2008, 10:56 PM
I am so upset by the recent negative aspect to LP & TM's relationship, as I have held them both in high regard. My question is if anyone spotted anything in either of their charts regarding this & whether or not it will have any lasting negative effects on the true collective mission of finding Caylee.

Thank you so much for ALL the time & work you guys have put into these beautiful charts :) Blessed Be!!!!


What a great idea! I wish I knew how to do this. I also think highly of both of them and it upsets me that casey has, yet again, caused harm. She is worse than any disease I have ever heard of

Lake Erie Princess
11-13-2008, 10:58 PM
Doesn't take a chart, to realize that Tim is jealous IMO of Padilla.
LP has done nothing but "plug" for TES donations, nightly on NG,
and spoken very highly of Tim Miller.

It is hard to swallow when I read the less than kind, rude, inappropriate
comments to the press frrom Tim's mouth about LP. IMO it makes Tim look like a jealous jerk. Caylee's search is not a monopoly ! I admire LP for what he is doing, and going by his 30 yr. experience , and going on strong GUT instincts !

God bless LP, and anyone who gives their time to bring this baby home to
be laid to rest, properly.

cocoamom
11-13-2008, 11:12 PM
"UMMMMM", lol - I don't understand these charts at all and it all looks so intimidating to me! My eyes are practically falling out of my head from non stop reading for days so please forgive me for not going through the whole thread...was there anything in any of these charts about the church, the Hawk's Hollow, or anything regarding my theory or just some of the signs of things I photographed? How hard is it to chart? Just wondering if your thread feels I am spinning my wheels here...wanna chart me???

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 11:17 PM
I am so upset by the recent negative aspect to LP & TM's relationship, as I have held them both in high regard. My question is if anyone spotted anything in either of their charts regarding this & whether or not it will have any lasting negative effects on the true collective mission of finding Caylee.

Thank you so much for ALL the time & work you guys have put into these beautiful charts :) Blessed Be!!!!

Their Suns are inconjunct (150 degrees), Mercurys widely square and Moons likely square. These are very difficult interaspects.

TM has SUN at 18 Sagittarius, the sign that KNOWS (and has a tendency to firmly believe it is right, and even superior...). LP has SUN at 17 Cancer, the sign that FEELS, giving a highly intuitive, even psychic nature. The inconjunct interaspect is highly stressful and gives a sense that these two have "nothing in common." No matter how much they may say they like and/or respect each other (up until recently they did in fact praise each other), deep down they simply do not operate on the same wavelength.

The (wide) square between the two Mercurys suggests an inability to truly understand each other. They think (Mercury) differently (square). TM's Mercury in Scorpio is private, intense, deep, penetrating. LP's Mercury in Leo is flamboyant, generous, attention-hungry and looking for recognition.

Without exact birth data, the Moon positions are questionable. Sunrise (TM) and early morning (LP) charts give 28 Cancer to TM and 26 Aries to LP. This makes TM sensitive and moody (Moon in Cancer) and very concerned about home/ family/ tradition/ respect. On the other hand, LP's Moon in feisty, impulsive, me-first Aries acts before thinking, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. The square interaspect certainly is mirrored by their personalities.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 11:22 PM
"UMMMMM", lol - I don't understand these charts at all and it all looks so intimidating to me! My eyes are practically falling out of my head from non stop reading for days so please forgive me for not going through the whole thread...was there anything in any of these charts about the church, the Hawk's Hollow, or anything regarding my theory or just some of the signs of things I photographed? How hard is it to chart? Just wondering if your thread feels I am spinning my wheels here...wanna chart me???

Hi Cocoamom,

Tuba speaks of yellow flowers and some kind of tree (pine)? Perhaps she can alert you to the post numbers that speak of these things.

I have been following your thread with high interest.

Thanks,
Soulscape

cocoamom
11-13-2008, 11:31 PM
Hi Cocoamom,

Tuba speaks of yellow flowers and some kind of tree (pine)? Perhaps she can alert you to the post numbers that speak of these things.

I have been following your thread with high interest.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Hi Soulscape - yes, I am aware of the flowers and trees and tons of the other stuff because I also follow your thread with high interest!! :clap: but I have to admit I get so lost on the chart talk because I know nothing about them except they are based on birthdate, stars and planets - duh I feel dumb! Nothing like the basics right?

I understand that it's not exactly something I can learn in a crash course either but I find it really interesting as things are happening right along with the dates you indicate - only you indicated the dates way before! I love it! Thanks for your work

FifthEssence
11-13-2008, 11:34 PM
"UMMMMM", lol - I don't understand these charts at all and it all looks so intimidating to me! My eyes are practically falling out of my head from non stop reading for days so please forgive me for not going through the whole thread...was there anything in any of these charts about the church, the Hawk's Hollow, or anything regarding my theory or just some of the signs of things I photographed? How hard is it to chart? Just wondering if your thread feels I am spinning my wheels here...wanna chart me???


respectfully snipped from earlier post:
from KAITLAND
Is LP searching around the church? Caylee's 4th h scorpio has modern ruler mars in taurus in the 9th house which holds rulership over churches; traditional rulership is pluto and her's is in sagittarius - this is under jupiter, who in turn rules the 9th house of religion/churches. So, could be a connection there.

COCOAMOM: you've done quite a bit of work these past couple days regarding the CHURCH area. :clap:Treat yourself to a glass of Vino as I am sure this has drained your reserves. You're not spinning your wheels...very good possibility she used those grounds to regroup, hide out, wait for friends to get home, avoid Mommy. Definetly interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANGELstars1.jpg

Soulscape
11-13-2008, 11:39 PM
"UMMMMM", lol - I don't understand these charts at all and it all looks so intimidating to me! My eyes are practically falling out of my head from non stop reading for days so please forgive me for not going through the whole thread...was there anything in any of these charts about the church, the Hawk's Hollow, or anything regarding my theory or just some of the signs of things I photographed? How hard is it to chart? Just wondering if your thread feels I am spinning my wheels here...wanna chart me???

Birds of prey are symbolized by Saturn. Hawks in particular are symbolized by Mars. In the 2:00 am chart for 7/1/08, Mars forms an out-of-sign conjunction to Saturn. We have seen this Mars/Saturn conjunction in several of the charts in the June 16 - July 15 time period. We have been reading them as violent (Mars) death (Saturn).

Saturn as hawks has been posited in Virgo, a sign associated with level ground, not difficult to reach, and specifically gardens, cornfields, grazing & pasture grounds for barnyard animals/fowls; dairies, haystacks, barns, storehouses for grains & dairy produce.

Saturn rules the grave, fences, walls, barriers (among other things).

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-13-2008, 11:47 PM
Birds of prey are symbolized by Saturn. Hawks in particular are symbolized by Mars. In the 2:00 am chart for 7/1/08, Mars forms an out-of-sign conjunction to Saturn. We have seen this Mars/Saturn conjunction in several of the charts in the June 16 - July 15 time period. We have been reading them as violent (Mars) death (Saturn).

Saturn as hawks has been posited in Virgo, a sign associated with level ground, not difficult to reach, and specifically gardens, cornfields, grazing & pasture grounds for barnyard animals/fowls; dairies, haystacks, barns, storehouses for grains & dairy produce.

Saturn rules the grave, fences, walls, barriers (among other things).

Thanks,
Soulscape


Soulscape- you are a Champion to the cause. Thank you for your contributions.

Is this analysis related to the question from Cocoamom for today?

cocoamom
11-13-2008, 11:51 PM
Thanks for that FifthEssence and Soulscape! Oh so interesting. I find myself turning away from others so eager in all of this and just looking inward. Spent quite a lot of time alone today pondering things. I feel much better now because of that down time. I wish everyone so excited about this case would slow down and really think out some of these things.

When I started doing that I was able to start scratching theories right off that list. Back to the basics and the facts is a ground point to start and with a clear head, I just leaned and looked with feelings. I have quite a few things going around in my head. Sadly none of them include a "live" Caylee. She is/was such a beautiful child - those eyes just speak! Thank you all again for the interesting info.

Lovejac
11-13-2008, 11:58 PM
Their Suns are inconjunct (150 degrees), Mercurys widely square and Moons likely square. These are very difficult interaspects.

TM has SUN at 18 Sagittarius, the sign that KNOWS (and has a tendency to firmly believe it is right, and even superior...). LP has SUN at 17 Cancer, the sign that FEELS, giving a highly intuitive, even psychic nature. The inconjunct interaspect is highly stressful and gives a sense that these two have "nothing in common." No matter how much they may say they like and/or respect each other (up until recently they did in fact praise each other), deep down they simply do not operate on the same wavelength.

The (wide) square between the two Mercurys suggests an inability to truly understand each other. They think (Mercury) differently (square). TM's Mercury in Scorpio is private, intense, deep, penetrating. LP's Mercury in Leo is flamboyant, generous, attention-hungry and looking for recognition.

Without exact birth data, the Moon positions are questionable. Sunrise (TM) and early morning (LP) charts give 28 Cancer to TM and 26 Aries to LP. This makes TM sensitive and moody (Moon in Cancer) and very concerned about home/ family/ tradition/ respect. On the other hand, LP's Moon in feisty, impulsive, me-first Aries acts before thinking, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. The square interaspect certainly is mirrored by their personalities.

Thanks,
Soulscape

WOW, Soulscape! That pretty much hits the nail on the head!!!

BTW, did you get my PM about my location when I asked my question?

sassyantique
11-14-2008, 12:08 AM
Do you think the finding today are connected to Caylee?

FifthEssence
11-14-2008, 12:17 AM
Do you think the finding today are connected to Caylee?


Here is some commentary from our TUBA posted earlier ( respectfully snipped):

Result! No matter the Fate of this evidence, it is progress to discover these items which include the shamrock. Every single thing which is dropped into the collection counts. They are all reminders, perhaps most especially to Casey, that nothing disappears forever. I call my expert witness, Professor Albert Energy Einstein.

petresq_algc
11-14-2008, 12:52 AM
Their Suns are inconjunct (150 degrees), Mercurys widely square and Moons likely square. These are very difficult interaspects.

TM has SUN at 18 Sagittarius, the sign that KNOWS (and has a tendency to firmly believe it is right, and even superior...). LP has SUN at 17 Cancer, the sign that FEELS, giving a highly intuitive, even psychic nature. The inconjunct interaspect is highly stressful and gives a sense that these two have "nothing in common." No matter how much they may say they like and/or respect each other (up until recently they did in fact praise each other), deep down they simply do not operate on the same wavelength.

The (wide) square between the two Mercurys suggests an inability to truly understand each other. They think (Mercury) differently (square). TM's Mercury in Scorpio is private, intense, deep, penetrating. LP's Mercury in Leo is flamboyant, generous, attention-hungry and looking for recognition.

Without exact birth data, the Moon positions are questionable. Sunrise (TM) and early morning (LP) charts give 28 Cancer to TM and 26 Aries to LP. This makes TM sensitive and moody (Moon in Cancer) and very concerned about home/ family/ tradition/ respect. On the other hand, LP's Moon in feisty, impulsive, me-first Aries acts before thinking, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. The square interaspect certainly is mirrored by their personalities.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Thanx so much Soulscape! Now if they could just get those two heads together & come at this search from different angles, different perspectives I believe they could have great success.

Dolce171
11-14-2008, 12:59 AM
Hi guys! Regarding the yellow flowers you mentioned - I thought it was very odd...When I Google Earthed this church, and went to street level, the entrance had alternating small white and red flowers. I remember saying to myself how pretty that was - when I drove there to take the photos and was turning in, I noticed all the flowers were not red and white, but a full flowerbed of small bright yellow flowers - all one color...I thought I ought to take a pic because I have read of your yellow flower threads but the traffic and people were too bad for me to stop going in or out..

I was hoping that they found her today. I don't care where or by whom, I just want her found!! Thanks for your input and I DO read your thread as do the naysayers of psychic abilities. I'm kinda on the fence about all of it but I have seen some pretty amazing things happen that psychics predicted so I never discount it. Why do you all think I took pics of the Hawk's sign, the soccer field, the pond, noticed the flowers, heart stopped when I saw the wooden bridge like "stage" thing....I heard all of that on your thread! Keep it up everyone!! We all read you!

And you have just answered the only question that I had regarding your theory CocoaMom. As I looked through your photos I kept waiting to see the yellow flowers and was sad to see that there were none. I speculated in a previous post that maybe this was due to the time of year and that perhaps it was not prime time for the yellow flowers to bloom.

I pray that permission will be granted to search this area!!!!!!

:blowkiss:

housemouse
11-14-2008, 01:00 AM
For whatever it is worth, I quickly checked the chart for the supposed discovery today, spotted Neptune making a hard aspect (square) to the full moon forming, and instantly knew the "discovery" would be found false.

I am not posting much because I just don't have the time to do daily charts on every twist and turn in the case.

I am so grateful that the rest of the good astrologers here do have the time, for I know how much all of us care about Caylee, and seeing justice for her.

If an event, such as today's, shows up, I will try to post promptly, if I can get to the 'puter. But, there is no doubt in my mind that today's find was a total Neptunian delusion.

Zoe Bogart
11-14-2008, 06:25 AM
Thanks, housemouse. So glad you found the time to do a small chart and post.

I keep remembering someone here saying "something" might happen around the 19th-20th, or thereabouts, so I still have hope. Not that I expect to hear right away, of course, because of testing and possible gag orders, etc., but I'm hopeful.

With all the infighting and the searchers pulling out right and left, I'm wondering if the find could be an accidental find? That happened to one of my friends a few years ago when a father and his sons found her floating in the swamp. They were just out for a day of fun. Quite tragic.

Love all the work the astrologers are doing with this case.

Btw, can someone tell me the significance of the "shamrock" in this case? I've seen it mentioned several times but don't understand why? Thanks.

21merc7
11-14-2008, 07:17 AM
For whatever it is worth, I quickly checked the chart for the supposed discovery today, spotted Neptune making a hard aspect (square) to the full moon forming, and instantly knew the "discovery" would be found false.

I am not posting much because I just don't have the time to do daily charts on every twist and turn in the case.

I am so grateful that the rest of the good astrologers here do have the time, for I know how much all of us care about Caylee, and seeing justice for her.

If an event, such as today's, shows up, I will try to post promptly, if I can get to the 'puter. But, there is no doubt in my mind that today's find was a total Neptunian delusion.

Thank you housemouse. And a HUGE thank you for ever even starting the astro threads. I do hope your health is much improved, and we all look forward to any and all you have time to add. (That goes for all you Astros' here, thank you again!)

FifthEssence
11-14-2008, 01:32 PM
Thanks, housemouse. So glad you found the time to do a small chart and post.

I keep remembering someone here saying "something" might happen around the 19th-20th, or thereabouts, so I still have hope. Not that I expect to hear right away, of course, because of testing and possible gag orders, etc., but I'm hopeful.

With all the infighting and the searchers pulling out right and left, I'm wondering if the find could be an accidental find? That happened to one of my friends a few years ago when a father and his sons found her floating in the swamp. They were just out for a day of fun. Quite tragic.

Love all the work the astrologers are doing with this case.

Btw, can someone tell me the significance of the "shamrock" in this case? I've seen it mentioned several times but don't understand why? Thanks.


Hi Aksleuth - she has a tatoo somewhere on her back of a Shamrock or Clover-also a picture of her shows her wearing a Shamrock/Clover pendant.

chesterp
11-14-2008, 01:47 PM
Hi Aksleuth - she has a tatoo somewhere on her back of a Shamrock or Clover-also a picture of her shows her wearing a Shamrock/Clover pendant.

and in a picture of her driving a car there is a Shamrock hanging on the rearview mirror. She seems obssessed with Shamrocks....

Dolce171
11-14-2008, 01:53 PM
I believe that there was a shamrock sticker in the back window of the Sunfire.

miss lisa
11-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Hi Aksleuth - she has a tatoo somewhere on her back of a Shamrock or Clover-also a picture of her shows her wearing a Shamrock/Clover pendant.

It's on her foot...sorry that's the new one. Yes on her back.

indymom77
11-14-2008, 04:27 PM
there was also a hat with a shamrock on it that she wore, and one that was found in the trash.

MommaD
11-14-2008, 04:35 PM
kc also wears a ring with shamrocks on it . it is like a wedding band.. have seen it in pics and video footage of different media sites.. look close u can see the shamrocks. she wears it on her right hand.. middle finger if i remember correctly..

Lovejac
11-14-2008, 08:40 PM
Good evening, Soulscape, Tuba and Housemouse.

Nothing of importance was found during the dive at JBP.

LP said there will be no searches on Sat the 15th or Sun the 16th because that is when the park is the most crowded.

They will resume search on Mon, Nov 17.

Pink Panther
11-14-2008, 08:54 PM
kc also wears a ring with shamrocks on it . it is like a wedding band.. have seen it in pics and video footage of different media sites.. look close u can see the shamrocks. she wears it on her right hand.. middle finger if i remember correctly..

Are you sure that it has a shamrock on it? I haven't been able to find a "close up" photo of it - that's why I ask. She wears it on her middle finger and I always just assumed that it was an Irish Claddagh ring...But I don't know!

Zoe Bogart
11-14-2008, 09:00 PM
Good evening, Soulscape, Tuba and Housemouse.

Nothing of importance was found during the dive at JBP.

LP said there will be no searches on Sat the 15th or Sun the 16th because that is when the park is the most crowded.

They will resume search on Mon, Nov 17.


Ohhh! So that puts them closer to the Nov. 17th or 19th-20th, or so, predictions! My heart just skipped a beat. I must admit, I'm getting a little shaky over this.

Shamrocks everywhere! :eek: How did I miss them?! :bang: Thanks for letting me know. I'll look through some of the pictures again. Obviously, I haven't been as obsessed with the things Casey wears as I have been about little Caylee. Thanks to all for the shamrock information. How did I ever miss them? :waitasec: I think I don't usually pay close attention to Casey's person because it disgusts me to look at her.

waltzingmatilda
11-14-2008, 09:37 PM
aksleuth, I pm'd a link to you w/ tatoo pic. wasn't sure if I could post it here. 'tilda

Soulscape
11-14-2008, 09:54 PM
Has anyone done a chart on our prosecutor LL? Would that help to glean anything? Found out he was born April 5, 1942 in West Palm Beach

Can anyone give some basic info on LL --- his background, what brought him to this case, etc? What about the female assistant prosecutor? What do we know about her?

I have lost track of the court dates. What's coming up next & when?

I will post LL's chart shortly...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Dolce171
11-14-2008, 10:07 PM
Can anyone give some basic info on LL --- his background, what brought him to this case, etc? What about the female assistant prosecutor? What do we know about her?

I have lost track of the court dates. What's coming up next & when?

I will post LL's chart shortly...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape - I am pm'ing you some basic info on LL. I will continue searching for more info.

LetJusticePrevail
11-14-2008, 10:15 PM
I posted this yesterday sometime but didn't get a response indicating interest. I sent an email to LL and received a response from the Director of Investigation at the SA Office. Very generic response but originally asked in my earlier post if it would help to glean anything by looking at the date/time I sent my email and date/time I received the reply. SS, if you want those emails, let me know.



Can anyone give some basic info on LL --- his background, what brought him to this case, etc? What about the female assistant prosecutor? What do we know about her?

I have lost track of the court dates. What's coming up next & when?

I will post LL's chart shortly...

Thanks,
Soulscape

LetJusticePrevail
11-14-2008, 10:24 PM
Interesting the announcement, we all remember so vividly was made post-election for LL's renomination to States Attorney.


Casey Death Case Hard To Make At This Time

Aggravating Factors Required To Get Death Sentence

http://www.wesh.com/news/17923372/detail.html

FifthEssence
11-14-2008, 10:27 PM
12/11/2008 0900 MANUAL - PRETRIAL CONFERENCE ROOM 6-D ON THE SIXTH FLOOR
1/5/2009 0930 MANUAL - TRIAL 23-A GENE MEDINA COURTROOM
(copy and paste from www.myorangeclerk.com as of today)



LAWSON LAMAR is the State Attorney for the 9th Circuit Court in Orlando. He was just re-elected for another term. Here is a link that gives a little background on him-initially elected in 1980 to be Orange County Sheriff .
http://www.ourstateattorney.com/2008_08_01_archive.html

Don't have info about the female person on the Prosecutors team.

leophoenix
11-14-2008, 10:34 PM
Strange: My niece came to visit and she throws up this yellow bag to me and yells out, "Look at my bag".
It is a yellow drawstring bag and written in black Blanchard Cat. I nearly fell backwards like she had waved a Benny Hinn coat on me.

Tuba
11-14-2008, 10:36 PM
If interested in the search of lowlands, bogs and waterways, we have only a short period remaining where planets facilitate results. Tonight, Mars leaves Scorpio and Mars is the search agent or search activist if you like. Then we have one week left wherein the Sun transits the last seven degrees of Scorpio, the Sign of Investigation & Search. Scorpio is one of three water Signs. Shortly, the Cancer Moon will be helpful too.

It seemed like we should exhaust the watery possibilities while it's timely. Maybe a good idea would be the examination of June 18 and 20 et seq when KC had Venus in Cancer and then the Sun in Cancer to inspire her to think of water as a repository. Looking at her chart then and Caylee's in combination with the June Cancer transits might provide some hints about KC's choices and movements that we can correlate to pings and silence of pings.

Once the possibilities have been explored, we can say we covered our grid like TES did theirs. Leonard plans to return on Monday for further dives. Maybe we can add to our perspective on water searches before time runs out.

Soulscape
11-14-2008, 10:47 PM
I posted this yesterday sometime but didn't get a response indicating interest. I sent an email to LL and received a response from the Director of Investigation at the SA Office. Very generic response but originally asked in my earlier post if it would help to glean anything by looking at the date/time I sent my email and date/time I received the reply. SS, if you want those emails, let me know.

Hi Misheley,

I saw your earlier post and meant to respond but time got away from me. For now we would like to study LL's 4/5/1942 chart to see what type of energy he may bring to this action.

I would like to compare his chart to KC's for starters.

FifthEssence, thank you for refreshing my memory with the court dates. I suspect at the pre-trial that defense will move to postpone the trial so I don't want to put much weight on a chart for the January 5, 2009 trial date just yet.

Maybe we can look at the 12/11/08 pre-trial chart to see if this is likely.

Tuba, Kaitland, Housemouse --- please jump in with your insights on any/ all of these charts!

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-14-2008, 10:48 PM
If interested in the search of lowlands, bogs and waterways, we have only a short period remaining where planets facilitate results. Tonight, Mars leaves Scorpio and Mars is the search agent or search activist if you like. Then we have one week left wherein the Sun transits the last seven degrees of Scorpio, the Sign of Investigation & Search. Scorpio is one of three water Signs. Shortly, the Cancer Moon will be helpful too.

It seemed like we should exhaust the watery possibilities while it's timely. Maybe a good idea would be the examination of June 18 and 20 et seq when KC had Venus in Cancer and then the Sun in Cancer to inspire her to think of water as a repository. Looking at her chart then and Caylee's in combination with the June Cancer transits might provide some hints about KC's choices and movements that we can correlate to pings and silence of pings.

Once the possibilities have been explored, we can say we covered our grid like TES did theirs. Leonard plans to return on Monday for further dives. Maybe we can add to our perspective on water searches before time runs out.


bolded by me

Tuba...now THAT's some SLEUTHING!

So how does it LOOK for those 2 dates when looking at both Casey & Caylee's influences back then?

Sonne
11-14-2008, 10:51 PM
I've been following this case from the beginning and this thread since housemouse posted it.

Who is paying Baez, NeJame, the Anthony's PI, Dr. Lee? I'm beginning to think Casey was involved with organized crime, she knows too much, and they're paying for everything.

On edit, I forgot to thank everyone here for their time and effort.

Soulscape
11-14-2008, 11:00 PM
If interested in the search of lowlands, bogs and waterways, we have only a short period remaining where planets facilitate results. Tonight, Mars leaves Scorpio and Mars is the search agent or search activist if you like. Then we have one week left wherein the Sun transits the last seven degrees of Scorpio, the Sign of Investigation & Search. Scorpio is one of three water Signs. Shortly, the Cancer Moon will be helpful too.

It seemed like we should exhaust the watery possibilities while it's timely. Maybe a good idea would be the examination of June 18 and 20 et seq when KC had Venus in Cancer and then the Sun in Cancer to inspire her to think of water as a repository. Looking at her chart then and Caylee's in combination with the June Cancer transits might provide some hints about KC's choices and movements that we can correlate to pings and silence of pings.

Once the possibilities have been explored, we can say we covered our grid like TES did theirs. Leonard plans to return on Monday for further dives. Maybe we can add to our perspective on water searches before time runs out.

The sign Cancer rules reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, waterways & run-offs, rivers & their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants & plumbing lines.

In the #3 Phone Call to LE Chart, Caylee's significator (SUN at 23 Cancer) was disposited by the MOON in the last degree of Sagittarius. That Moon was conjunct PLUTO (death). Sagittarius rules "high, clearly visible ground suitable for large buildings, temples, etc. which are best seen by raising the eyes on high." (Ivy Goldstein Jacobson, Simplified Horary Astrology, page 41)

The Part of Death (15 Scorpio) was located in the chart's 9th House of Religion...

Cocoamom's church?????

Thanks,
Soulscape

gardenhart
11-14-2008, 11:09 PM
I called the automated attendant number (407) 836-3400 listed on http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/DEPT/correct/default.htm?REDID={A89F878B-E267-4F73-AF81-FA65A0F50867}
and waited for an operator who told me there's no way for me to find out that info. I thought someone on here had gotten the info one time, since I saw it but after the woman told me this, I thought maybe that info was released through the media. Maybe someone else can try calling the number to see if they get a different response??? Hint, Hint




Those visitor records were acquired by the media making FOIA requests in writing, not by phoning the jail.

FifthEssence
11-14-2008, 11:18 PM
The sign Cancer rules reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, waterways & run-offs, rivers & their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants & plumbing lines.

In the #3 Phone Call to LE Chart, Caylee's significator (SUN at 23 Cancer) was disposited by the MOON in the last degree of Sagittarius. That Moon was conjunct PLUTO (death). Sagittarius rules "high, clearly visible ground suitable for large buildings, temples, etc. which are best seen by raising the eyes on high." (Ivy Goldstein Jacobson, Simplified Horary Astrology, page 41)

The Part of Death (15 Scorpio) was located in the chart's 9th House of Religion...

Cocoamom's church?????

Thanks,
Soulscape



Wonder if anyone got a response back from Leonard Padilla? Had read a few members were in contact with him about this.

Soulscape
11-14-2008, 11:19 PM
I was browsing through some of my charts. I had noted that URANUS went stationary Retrograde at 22:39 Pisces on June 26th around 8pm. This coincides with KC abandoning the Pontiac at Amscot.

Note this degree conjuncts her natal Mercury 23 Pisces and partile squares her natal Uranus 22 Sagittarius.

I noted that URANUS will turn direct at 18:44 Pisces on November 27th. I thought then, and still think, something will happen when Uranus turns direct. If not on November 27, then by the time Uranus returns to the degree at which it went Retrograde (again exactly squaring her natal Uranus), or March 13-14, 2009...

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-14-2008, 11:26 PM
I was browsing through some of my charts. I had noted that URANUS went stationary Retrograde at 22:39 Pisces on June 26th around 8pm. This coincides with KC abandoning the Pontiac at Amscot.

I noted that URANUS will turn direct at 18:44 Pisces on November 27th. I thought then, and still think, something will happen when Uranus turns direct. If not on November 27, then by the time Uranus returns to the degree at which it went Retrograde, or March 13-14, 2009...

Thanks,
Soulscape


bolded by me

That's both Thanksgiving Day and my B'day. :eek:

Dolce171
11-14-2008, 11:29 PM
I posted this yesterday sometime but didn't get a response indicating interest. I sent an email to LL and received a response from the Director of Investigation at the SA Office. Very generic response but originally asked in my earlier post if it would help to glean anything by looking at the date/time I sent my email and date/time I received the reply. SS, if you want those emails, let me know.


Misheley my friend ... did you happen to inquire about the asst. state attorney LDB when you made you request? I have encountered difficulty in locating background info on her.

KAITLAND
11-14-2008, 11:33 PM
The sign Cancer rules reservoirs, wells, cisterns, fountains, pools, marshes, ditches, moats, canals, waterways & run-offs, rivers & their banks, lakes, ponds, hydrants & plumbing lines.

In the #3 Phone Call to LE Chart, Caylee's significator (SUN at 23 Cancer) was disposited by the MOON in the last degree of Sagittarius. That Moon was conjunct PLUTO (death). Sagittarius rules "high, clearly visible ground suitable for large buildings, temples, etc. which are best seen by raising the eyes on high." (Ivy Goldstein Jacobson, Simplified Horary Astrology, page 41)

The Part of Death (15 Scorpio) was located in the chart's 9th House of Religion...

Cocoamom's church?????

Thanks,
Soulscape
Just a quick check in SS - still have house guests. The Sagittarius influence is supported also in Caylee's natal chart. Scorpio 4th house (graves, end of life) ruler in 9th house of churches, religious facilities; it is also ruled by pluto and Caylee's is in Sagittarius - as you said above. I do not think we can rule out Cocoamom's church either.... I'll have so much to catch up on when company leaves monday! Hope search goes well when it resumes. GREAT JOB EVERYBODY!

LetJusticePrevail
11-14-2008, 11:39 PM
No Dolce, I sent the email early in the week and directed it to LL specifically since I found a direct email for him. It was a kind of plee to stay the course - I just couldn't help myself after this past weekend turned up no Caylee (although I didn't state anything about that in my letter).


Misheley my friend ... did you happen to inquire about the asst. state attorney LDB when you made you request? I have encountered difficulty in locating background info on her.

Dolce171
11-14-2008, 11:42 PM
This is all I have found so far....

LDB

Licensed 1989
Graduated - Univ. of Pittsburgh School of Law 1989

Burrell H.S. - Grad 1982

Whitepages - age 44 (unable to locate dob)

Dolce171
11-14-2008, 11:43 PM
No Dolce, I sent the email early in the week and directed it to LL specifically since I found a direct email for him. It was a kind of plee to stay the course - I just couldn't help myself after this past weekend turned up no Caylee (although I didn't state anything about that in my letter).

I will PM her name ... perhaps you can help me sleuth.

:blowkiss:

MommaD
11-15-2008, 07:44 AM
Are you sure that it has a shamrock on it? I haven't been able to find a "close up" photo of it - that's why I ask. She wears it on her middle finger and I always just assumed that it was an Irish Claddagh ring...But I don't know!


Yes PP I am sure .. racked my brain trying to remember where I saw it.. It is a beautiful close up.. So I went to image thread also and looked at egads pics and media videos.. then sitting here I remember buy that stupid Globe rag mag that came out . cost me 3.49 and hurt my feelings.. well , its on the middle spread close up of kc face laughing drunk as usual tho eyes closed and hand up by mouth.. bingo the ring on left hand here .. with a very small plain gold band. I have seen pics from the rag mags her walking to the monday appts. with porole officer and its on her right hand in those.. and sorry i cant produce a pic for u . its about copyright and stuff. maybe sm still has it posted they scanned a few rag mags there ..

but against ws rules.. its issue oct. 20,08 cover says why caylee mom snapped... but pic is on center of mag.
sorry i couldnt get u a pic.

also ,, I read alot of your posts yesterday.. and please i mean this in the kindest way.. I know you want Caylee Baby found like the rest of us if not more but please just take a deep breath and say a prayer for her , caylee knows she has 1000's looking for her wanting her to come home to final resting place. caylee wouldnt want us to hurt anymore than we do.. Caylee has to finish something first then she will come to us.. Please, listen closely for her ,, meditate quietly and ask her ... please Pink I beg you sweets.. step back a few and let caylee guide you. give her the space she needs right now to carry out her mission..

I hope I have not upset anyone with my post.. Not my means at all. I just want to comfort those with my outlook at this time of us trying so hard to find dear sweet caylee baby..

Caylee will know the right time.... Then let us all shout from the mountains and the seas..

God Bless all in our travels of finding Caylee and all the missing .



P.s. yes I did have to sign back in to post this. time ran out.. lol

chesterp
11-15-2008, 09:32 AM
Yes PP I am sure .. racked my brain trying to remember where I saw it.. It is a beautiful close up.. So I went to image thread also and looked at egads pics and media videos.. then sitting here I remember buy that stupid Globe rag mag that came out . cost me 3.49 and hurt my feelings.. well , its on the middle spread close up of kc face laughing drunk as usual tho eyes closed and hand up by mouth.. bingo the ring on left hand here .. with a very small plain gold band. I have seen pics from the rag mags her walking to the monday appts. with porole officer and its on her right hand in those.. and sorry i cant produce a pic for u . its about copyright and stuff. maybe sm still has it posted they scanned a few rag mags there ..

but against ws rules.. its issue oct. 20,08 cover says why caylee mom snapped... but pic is on center of mag.
sorry i couldnt get u a pic.

also ,, I read alot of your posts yesterday.. and please i mean this in the kindest way.. I know you want Caylee Baby found like the rest of us if not more but please just take a deep breath and say a prayer for her , caylee knows she has 1000's looking for her wanting her to come home to final resting place. caylee wouldnt want us to hurt anymore than we do.. Caylee has to finish something first then she will come to us.. Please, listen closely for her ,, meditate quietly and ask her ... please Pink I beg you sweets.. step back a few and let caylee guide you. give her the space she needs right now to carry out her mission..

I hope I have not upset anyone with my post.. Not my means at all. I just want to comfort those with my outlook at this time of us trying so hard to find dear sweet caylee baby..

Caylee will know the right time.... Then let us all shout from the mountains and the seas..

God Bless all in our travels of finding Caylee and all the missing .



P.s. yes I did have to sign back in to post this. time ran out.. lol

I'll make this short because I am on wrong thread. My last dream of Caylee..months ago her last words to me were FORGIVENESS... I have struggled with those words because I point blank said once I know the truth and you are found I will do my best to forgive KC and the involved parties.

I think Caylee predicted this past weekend and she knows how much we all have fallen in love with her...... Who could have imagined a search would bring out so much HATE in a massive efforted search for her? She knew...I am not upset with TM/LP/LE or the A's.... and I hope and pray everyone will let go of all the negativity and get back to the main focus and that is finding Caylee who wants to be found. My heart tells me she will not be found until Jan 11th......... but I am ignoring that feeling because if we continue to have positive searches as a collected team.... Caylee might reveal herself sooner with the power of love once all the ego's calm down.

Soulscape
11-15-2008, 11:31 AM
This is all I have found so far....

LDB

Licensed 1989
Graduated - Univ. of Pittsburgh School of Law 1989

Burrell H.S. - Grad 1982

Whitepages - age 44 (unable to locate dob)

Thanks, Dolce.

If you (or anyone) finds date & place of birth, please let us know. It would be interesting to see what kind of support she may bring to LL, or if she would likely be a hindrance.

I am working up LL's chart & will post my impressions later this morning.

Thanks to all of you who are taking the time & effort to track down birth data and other relevant information.

~~Soulscape

Soulscape
11-15-2008, 01:01 PM
OK Sleuths,

Can you track down his birth data? Looks like he will be a highly important player in the upcoming murder trial...


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-casey1508nov15,0,3147124.story

Who is Henry Lee?

The Connecticut-based criminalist's r�sum� includes work on the cases of JonBenet Ramsey and Laci Peterson. Lee has decades of experience and hundreds of murder cases under his belt and is known for charisma on the stand and ability to explain complex science in a way that juries understand.



Thanks,
Soulscape

Spitfire4ever
11-15-2008, 01:09 PM
Hi I'm new here but have been lurking for awhile. I think all of you are great and especially love this thread. I wanted to help so I found information on Henry Lee.
Birthdate is Nov. 22, 1938

Lee was born in Rugao city, Jiangsu province, China, and fled to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War when he was six. He graduated in 1960 from the Central Police College with a degree in Police Science. Lee then began his work with the Taipei Police Department, where he rose to the rank of captain at age 25, the youngest in Taiwanese history.

In 1972, after coming to the United States to pursue his education, he earned a B.S. in Forensic Science from John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. He went on to study science and biochemistry at New York University and earned his M.S. in 1974 and Ph. D. in Biochemistry in 1975.

I hope this helps.
Praying that Caylee is found soon!

Dolce171
11-15-2008, 01:11 PM
OK Sleuths,

Can you track down his birth data? Looks like he will be a highly important player in the upcoming murder trial...


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-casey1508nov15,0,3147124.story

Who is Henry Lee?

The Connecticut-based criminalist's r�sum� includes work on the cases of JonBenet Ramsey and Laci Peterson. Lee has decades of experience and hundreds of murder cases under his belt and is known for charisma on the stand and ability to explain complex science in a way that juries understand.



Thanks,
Soulscape

He was also a key player for the defense team in the infamous OJ murder trial. He is most certainly a prominent person of interest.

Soulscape
11-15-2008, 01:18 PM
Hi I'm new here but have been lurking for awhile. I think all of you are great and especially love this thread. I wanted to help so I found information on Henry Lee.
Birthdate is Nov. 22, 1938

Lee was born in Rugao city, Jiangsu province, China, and fled to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War when he was six. He graduated in 1960 from the Central Police College with a degree in Police Science. Lee then began his work with the Taipei Police Department, where he rose to the rank of captain at age 25, the youngest in Taiwanese history.

In 1972, after coming to the United States to pursue his education, he earned a B.S. in Forensic Science from John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. He went on to study science and biochemistry at New York University and earned his M.S. in 1974 and Ph. D. in Biochemistry in 1975.

I hope this helps.
Praying that Caylee is found soon!

Spitfire, YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Soulscape

the by and by
11-15-2008, 01:18 PM
Was just about to post information I found on Henry Lee from Wikipedia and saw Spitfire4ever had already sleuthed the information, I do hope it helps.

FifthEssence
11-15-2008, 01:25 PM
Hi I'm new here but have been lurking for awhile. I think all of you are great and especially love this thread. I wanted to help so I found information on Henry Lee.
Birthdate is Nov. 22, 1938

Lee was born in Rugao city, Jiangsu province, China, and fled to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War when he was six. He graduated in 1960 from the Central Police College with a degree in Police Science. Lee then began his work with the Taipei Police Department, where he rose to the rank of captain at age 25, the youngest in Taiwanese history.

In 1972, after coming to the United States to pursue his education, he earned a B.S. in Forensic Science from John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. He went on to study science and biochemistry at New York University and earned his M.S. in 1974 and Ph. D. in Biochemistry in 1975.

I hope this helps.
Praying that Caylee is found soon!



SPITFIRE- you're off to a great start.
EXCELLENT! Can't wait to hear from our Wise Astro Ladies.

Welcome to WS and a very special welcome to this particular thread.



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Tuba
11-15-2008, 02:26 PM
As Mars left Scorpio and entered Sagittarius, he hooked Henry Lee whose Sun Moon and Venus are at that degree. Lee is a force to reckon with and will be arguing doubts raised by the defense team.

Spitfire4ever
11-15-2008, 02:26 PM
Spitfire, YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Soulscape

Thanks Soulscape. I want sooooooo much for Caylee to be found, so I will keep reading this thread and if I can help in anyway.....COUNT ME IN! I have a great appreciation for all, especially on this thread, and believe that all of you are going to be able to find this sweet baby!! Prayers for Caylee!

Spitfire4ever
11-15-2008, 02:29 PM
spitfire- you're off to a great start.
Excellent! Can't wait to hear from our wise astro ladies.

Welcome to ws and a very special welcome to this particular thread.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/angelstars1.jpg

Thank you for the welcome, it's appreciated!!

Soulscape
11-15-2008, 02:30 PM
Ok, this is a little O/T, but it is important.

Anyone who has ever worked with lawyers (or is a lawyer!) KNOWS, all things being equal, the strength of the legal team is the key to the outcome of a criminal trial.

Unless the body is discovered before this case goes to trial, I fear Prosecution will have a tough time getting a conviction, regardless of the truth of the matter...

The charts show two strong men, whom I believe will give each other a run for their money. Quick-minded LL thinks on his feet, punches, jabs, stings with alarming accuracy. He is "all over the place," yet purposeful with ability to overcome obstacles. His natal Saturn/Uranus conjunction closely conjunct ALGOL (not shown) gives me the sense his attitude when prosecuting is "Off With Their Heads!!" (Caput Algol is associated with 'losing one's head,' either literally or figuratively...).

LL's Mars at 17 Gemini (words, speech) exactly trines HL's Mars at 17 Libra (the law, justice, being able to see both sides of the story). Mars is action, agression, energy. You can see here they are equally matched and how HL will likely get the jury to see & consider "the other side of the story..."

HL's SUN (and possibly MOON) are in deep, secretive, penetrating, powerful Scorpio. He will definitely intimidate and persuade.

There's more to be said, but this is enough for now...

Without having their birth times it is impossible to calculate their angles (Ascendant, Midheaven) that could show, using progressions and transits, who appears more likely to prevail.

Here are the charts:

1) Lawson Lamar

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/LawsonLamar.gif


2) Henry Lee

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/HenryLee.gif


3) Biwheel with HL as inner and LL as outer

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/HenryLeevsLawsonLamarBIWHEEL.gif





Tuba, Kaitland, Housemouse --- comments?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-15-2008, 03:33 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SilenceoftheTomb013.jpg

This is a horoscope I cast to follow up on my suggestion of last night that we look into the cell pings & their silences during that period when Casey was encumbered with a body. It seems like a good idea to explore possible burial or disposal locations by water while we are in the Scorpio sector of the zodiac. We have little of it left.

Casey faced one of the major decisions of her life as Mercury stationed to turn direct on the degree of the Uranian node. The Part of the Female Child for this chart is 14:40 II conjunct Mercury. The Moon was in the Sign of the Gravedigger and in detriment and was opposing a very young Venus at 0:44 Cancer. Moon is conjunct Pluto and Venus combust the Sun. Both Moon & Venus are in crisis (0° Cardinal Signs).

Pluto will shame an inert, vacillating individual into action and the embarrassment here is due to the Mars opposite Neptune reek in the Pontiac. Pluto conceals knowledge private to her and acts with detachment, stolidly. Pluto works silently and the cell phone will be turned off in a half hour. The gravedigging Moon and Pluto are trine Saturn in the earth of Virgo. Saturn repeats the theme of gravedigger.

Mars in H. 9 (very active on a cusp) is the action planet of a completed YOD, with Neptune at the reaction point and Jupiter and Uranus forming the sextile, both of course qunicunx Mars. A YOD means Casey was at the crossroads and would make a major decision. The YOD triggers life shifting change and many crimes are committed under this formation.

In thread #1, I wrote about the Mars identification to her mother in Caylee's chart. Casey had Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto plus progressed Mars all at the degree of Caylee's own parental planet Mars in Taurus. All those facets of Casey's character & personality expressed as a Mars mother in Caylee's chart, one who was also sensual and focused on young men who appeared as strangers to Caylee (H. 9).

In this chart the type of parenting in behalf of her child is again Mars, ruler of H. 5 where is found the critical degree of 26 Aries, a crisis over a child. Unless you were born on a raft and had to swim to an island, you would not choose Mars for your mother.

This chart still speaks of a grave dug on the bank of water, likely a lake or pond but definitely by water. Because the critical node & Neptune were opposite Mars and the Sun was in the H. of others & the public opposite Pluto and the Moon of activity, I believe Casey was dreadfully afraid of being seen. Strangers, travelers did see her, certainly. Those oppositions and the Sun in H. 7 ruling H. 9 make that clear.

Casey's natal decision point was 1:18 Aries, square the choice made here. She forced herself to do this, therefore, though fearful of being caught at it.

FifthEssence
11-15-2008, 04:25 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SilenceoftheTomb013.jpg

This is a horoscope I cast to follow up on my suggestion of last night that we look into the cell pings & their silences during that period when Casey was encumbered with a body. It seems like a good idea to explore possible burial or disposal locations by water while we are in the Scorpio sector of the zodiac. We have little of it left.

Casey faced one of the major decisions of her life as Mercury stationed to turn direct on the degree of the Uranian node. The Part of the Female Child for this chart is 14:40 II conjunct Mercury. The Moon was in the Sign of the Gravedigger and in detriment and was opposing a very young Venus at 0:44 Cancer. Moon is conjunct Pluto and Venus combust the Sun. Both Moon & Venus are in crisis (0° Cardinal Signs).

Pluto will shame an inert, vacillating individual into action and the embarrassment here is due to the Mars opposite Neptune reek in the Pontiac. Pluto conceals knowledge private to her and acts with detachment, stolidly. Pluto works silently and the cell phone will be turned off in a half hour. The gravedigging Moon and Pluto are trine Saturn in the earth of Virgo. Saturn repeats the theme of gravedigger.

Mars in H. 9 (very active on a cusp) is the action planet of a completed YOD, with Neptune at the reaction point and Jupiter and Uranus forming the sextile, both of course qunicunx Mars. A YOD means Casey was at the crossroads and would make a major decision. The YOD triggers life shifting change and many crimes are committed under this formation.

In thread #1, I wrote about the Mars identification to her mother in Caylee's chart. Casey had Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto plus progressed Mars all at the degree of Caylee's own parental planet Mars in Taurus. All those facets of Casey's character & personality expressed as a Mars mother in Caylee's chart, one who was also sensual and focused on young men who appeared as strangers to Caylee (H. 9).

In this chart the type of parenting in behalf of her child is again Mars, ruler of H. 5 where is found the critical degree of 26 Aries, a crisis over a child. Unless you were born on a raft and had to swim to an island, you would not choose Mars for your mother.

This chart still speaks of a grave dug on the bank of water, likely a lake or pond but definitely by water. Because the critical node & Neptune were opposite Mars and the Sun was in the H. of others & the public opposite Pluto and the Moon of activity, I believe Casey was dreadfully afraid of being seen. Strangers, travelers did see her, certainly. Those oppositions and the Sun in H. 7 ruling H. 9 make that clear.

Casey's natal decision point was 1:18 Aries, square the choice made here. She forced herself to do this, therefore, though fearful of being caught at it.



I find 'some' relief in you saying it is implied Caylee is NEAR/CLOSE to water versus having been disposed of directly into a body of water. Florida floods quite often during the rainy summer and hurricane season, so I'm thinking the remains have probably been surrounded by or saturated with water.
Do you think she actually 'dug' into the earth ? or do you think she may have hidden her and covered her up with rocks, pebbles, tree branches, some brush?
Are you in agreement with the WNW or the ESE possible locations?

Lovejac
11-15-2008, 07:59 PM
Does anyone who reads here know if any of this info has been given to Leonard?

Tuba, what an insightful chart you decided to cast. :clap: I swear, you guys impress me on a daily basis. I wish forensic astrologers were involved with all LE. What a great perspective.


http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SilenceoftheTomb013.jpg

This is a horoscope I cast to follow up on my suggestion of last night that we look into the cell pings & their silences during that period when Casey was encumbered with a body. It seems like a good idea to explore possible burial or disposal locations by water while we are in the Scorpio sector of the zodiac. We have little of it left.

Casey faced one of the major decisions of her life as Mercury stationed to turn direct on the degree of the Uranian node. The Part of the Female Child for this chart is 14:40 II conjunct Mercury. The Moon was in the Sign of the Gravedigger and in detriment and was opposing a very young Venus at 0:44 Cancer. Moon is conjunct Pluto and Venus combust the Sun. Both Moon & Venus are in crisis (0° Cardinal Signs).

Pluto will shame an inert, vacillating individual into action and the embarrassment here is due to the Mars opposite Neptune reek in the Pontiac. Pluto conceals knowledge private to her and acts with detachment, stolidly. Pluto works silently and the cell phone will be turned off in a half hour. The gravedigging Moon and Pluto are trine Saturn in the earth of Virgo. Saturn repeats the theme of gravedigger.

Mars in H. 9 (very active on a cusp) is the action planet of a completed YOD, with Neptune at the reaction point and Jupiter and Uranus forming the sextile, both of course qunicunx Mars. A YOD means Casey was at the crossroads and would make a major decision. The YOD triggers life shifting change and many crimes are committed under this formation.

In thread #1, I wrote about the Mars identification to her mother in Caylee's chart. Casey had Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto plus progressed Mars all at the degree of Caylee's own parental planet Mars in Taurus. All those facets of Casey's character & personality expressed as a Mars mother in Caylee's chart, one who was also sensual and focused on young men who appeared as strangers to Caylee (H. 9).

In this chart the type of parenting in behalf of her child is again Mars, ruler of H. 5 where is found the critical degree of 26 Aries, a crisis over a child. Unless you were born on a raft and had to swim to an island, you would not choose Mars for your mother.

This chart still speaks of a grave dug on the bank of water, likely a lake or pond but definitely by water. Because the critical node & Neptune were opposite Mars and the Sun was in the H. of others & the public opposite Pluto and the Moon of activity, I believe Casey was dreadfully afraid of being seen. Strangers, travelers did see her, certainly. Those oppositions and the Sun in H. 7 ruling H. 9 make that clear.

Casey's natal decision point was 1:18 Aries, square the choice made here. She forced herself to do this, therefore, though fearful of being caught at it.

Tuba
11-15-2008, 09:12 PM
I need to rethink this because there is no way an attorney and bounty hunter could make any sense out of this. It would be worse than a foreign language because there is no convenient web translation software for what is written here. So far in plain English, we have a lofty pine, yellow flower, some item buried with Caylee like a toy watch, a belt, a chain, a stuffed dog, a note or paper of some kind, and the fact the body was enclosed. Digging was easier because the earth was actually part of a bank, so the soil was softer. But because these are wetlands that later flooded, I don't know how much the water encroached and shifted the "grave" and its contents.

passionflower
11-15-2008, 09:37 PM
I've been following this case from the beginning and this thread since housemouse posted it.

Who is paying Baez, NeJame, the Anthony's PI, Dr. Lee? I'm beginning to think Casey was involved with organized crime, she knows too much, and they're paying for everything.

On edit, I forgot to thank everyone here for their time and effort.


now that is a thought.........hmmmmmmmm...........

passionflower
11-15-2008, 09:46 PM
off subject but KC lovs shamrocks.......are the Anthony's Irish? Mother's maiden name sounds Italian........is this another fantasy?????

passionflower
11-15-2008, 09:48 PM
I need to rethink this because there is no way an attorney and bounty hunter could make any sense out of this. It would be worse than a foreign language because there is no convenient web translation software for what is written here. So far in plain English, we have a lofty pine, yellow flower, some item buried with Caylee like a toy watch, a belt, a chain, a stuffed dog, a note or paper of some kind, and the fact the body was enclosed. Digging was easier because the earth was actually part of a bank, so the soil was softer. But because these are wetlands that later flooded, I don't know how much the water encroached and shifted the "grave" and its contents.

This is a dumb thought but did anyone use sonar on the banks there?
Or metal detecter to find metal as in necklace cross.......sonar for ground search beneath the ground since the flood would cover it? Just a random thought..........

Soulscape
11-15-2008, 09:55 PM
off subject but KC lovs shamrocks.......are the Anthony's Irish? Mother's maiden name sounds Italian........is this another fantasy?????

Plesea (Cindy's maiden name) appears to be Romanian from what I've been able to gather so far. Anthony is Italian.

KC's love of shamrocks may have nothing to do with her ethnic heritage. It could just be something she thinks is "cool" or trendy...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Sonne
11-15-2008, 09:59 PM
Dr. Henry Lee was working for the defense on the Phil Spector murder trial. He was accused of hiding incriminating evidence by the Judge:

Judge in Spector trial rules defense expert Dr. Henry Lee hid or destroyed evidence

By Harriet Ryan
Court TV

LOS ANGELES — The judge in the Phil Spector murder trial said Wednesday that he had concluded Dr. Henry Lee, a defense expert and one of the country's most famous forensic scientists, hid or destroyed a piece of evidence from the scene of an actress's shooting.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler said Spector's defense can still call Lee as a witness, but prosecutors will be permitted to present evidence to the jury that Lee found potentially important evidence and failed to turn it over to the prosecution as the law requires.

...

In his ruling, Fidler indicated that he believed Lee had lied under oath. He specifically cited the conflict between Lee's testimony that he had never collected the item in question and the account of a former defense attorney, Sara Caplan, who said she saw him place such an object in a clear vial.

The judge acknowledged that Lee was a "world-renowned expert," but said he found Caplan "very credible."

"If I have to choose between the two, I am going to choose Ms. Caplan, is more credible than Dr. Lee," he said, adding, "Dr. Lee has a lot to lose if this turns out to be true."

...

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/052307_ctv.html

Soulscape
11-15-2008, 10:56 PM
This is from the LP Timeline thread, Post #24, bolding mine:


If we believe that GA saw Caylee alive and well on Monday June 16th at approximately 1pm and we know from witnesses and the BB video that Caylee was no where to be found by 8pm, this indicates that Caylee died somewhere in those 7 hours. However, two issues may upset this timeline, they are:

1) JG says he heard Caylee in the background during his 3pm-ish call with KC on that same day and the time of death is really between 3pm and 8pm on June 16th; or

2.) Caylee was drugged and asleep in the hot car trunk while KC was hanging out with TonE and died later during the night of the 16th or early morning of the 17th.

As KC stated she had not seen Caylee in 31 days, the 16th looks most reasonable, but it could have been early on the 17th before KC stumbled out of bed and noticed that the baby was dead. (I haven't seen her ALIVE in 31 days.)

Since forensics tell us that the air inside the trunk was consistent with (less than sign used in report) 2.6 days of decomposition of a human body, we can safely assume one of 2 options:

1.) that the body was in the trunk immediately after death and stayed there for roughly 60 hours before removal; or

2.) the body was placed in there for a short period of time after roughly 60 hours had passed since death.

We know facts that are inconsistent with the body being in the car at any time after the 19th of June. Therefore, LP's theories of disposal post 6/19, or theories that GA actually saw a body on 6/24 are moot. That is unless we want to believe that KC kept Caylee alive, but drugged in the trunk for many days which is impossible due to the temperatures in the trunk.

I agree with Dotseyes. That baby was removed from the car and buried/ dumped/ dropped into water surely by the 19th of June. Tuba's chart of 6/18/08 at 6:21pm fits exactly into this time frame, which shows several indications of a burial (as opposed to dropping into the water). Other charts we've looked at also point to burial (Virgo, Capricorn emphasis). One chart in particular I did a while back suggested KC may have left something, a "memento" of sorts, at the grave, which Tuba's Entombment chart echoes.

Additionally, I very seriously doubt KC moved the corpse once she buried it. Too messy. Might ruin that awesome clawsome manicure....

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-16-2008, 01:23 AM
I agree with Dotseyes. That baby was removed from the car and buried/ dumped/ dropped into water surely by the 19th of June. Tuba's chart of 6/18/08 at 6:21pm fits exactly into this time frame, which shows several indications of a burial (as opposed to dropping into the water). Other charts we've looked at also point to burial (Virgo, Capricorn emphasis). One chart in particular I did a while back suggested KC may have left something, a "memento" of sorts, at the grave, which Tuba's Entombment chart echoes.

Additionally, I very seriously doubt KC moved the corpse once she buried it. Too messy. Might ruin that awesome clawsome manicure....

Thanks,
Soulscape


Here are the June 18th/Wed. ping details copied from the Sticky archives.
Note it was a FULL MOON that day and the Sun set @ 8:29pm

Tuba's analysis shows a 'burial' atmosphere after 6:21pm-now look at the ping activity around that time. I can see her waiting around till dusk to do the deed. It's the end of the day so most people/visitors/traffic would be gone - it's a time she hopefully would not be noticed. I can't see her walking through any wooded area/path or approaching a waterway in the dark because of the serious wildlife nightime activity, therefore the late dusk period fits into the scenario. She's a phone freak and it's interesting there isn't any further activity or pings for the rest of the evening; 6:39pm would be unusually early for her to shut down communications. She either purposely turned her phone off or the battery needed a charge??
(I can only hope she gets flash backs every Full Moon that lights the night throughout her lifetime)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANGELstars1.jpg



Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsha on 10/18
A POSSIBLE SYNOPSIS OF JUNE 18TH:

12:10-12:19am------KC makes 2 calls to Pappa John's Pizza and 2 calls to unknown # -----------from area of AL apartment

12:22am--------------KC texts AL (one of them is not at apartment, otherwise why text) ------------from area of AL apartment

12:31am--------------AL texts KC (one of them is not at apartment, otherwise why text) -----------from area of AL apartment

7:55am-10:48am----Several unknown texts, possibly ATT related - No other phone activity -------from area of AL apartment
(10+ hr gap since last text from AL at 12:31 am)
10:52am---------------KC texts Cindy A's cell phone -------------------------------------------------------from area of AL apartment

12:33pm---------------KC calls the Lexus Dealership-------------------------------------------------------from area of AL apartment

12:34pm---------------KC calls Cindy A's cell....3 sec (Mom, Call me please) -------------------------from area of AL apartment

12:35pm---------------KC calls Anthony home.....no answer (Cindy is working, where's GA?) -----from area of AL apartment

12:36pm---------------KC calls George A's cell twice, no answer (trying to find out where GA is?) -from area of AL apartment

1:09pm---------------- KC calls Cindy A's cell - 1.3 min (still trying to find out if GA is home?) -----from area of AL apartment

1:11pm-----------------KC calls Anthony home - 30 sec----(Hi dad, oh you're getting ready for
work, or wherever....oh shoot, I've got another call, I'll call you later OK) ----from area AL apartment
(Ah-haa, he's not going to be home! I've got to get in that backyard and
move Caylee!)

2:05pm-----------------KC texts AL -----------------------------------------------------------------------------from area of AL apartment

2:42pm-3:42pm-------KC is in Anthony Home area, possibly arrived there as early as 2:25pm-----Anthony home area
(rec'd 2 msgs (poss. from ATT) at 2:11p while en route & at 2:42p and
text from AL at 2:47pm)

(THIS QUITE POSSIBLY IS THE AFTERNOON KC BORROWED THE SHOVEL!!
(If Not on the 18th, KC was in Anthony Home area between 2:29p - 4:05p on the 17th)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/cal...=2008-6-18&c=4

2:47pm-----------------AL texts KC

3:42pm-----------------KC calls AL - almost 2 min. ----------------------------------------------------------from Anthony area

4:10pm-4:11pm-------KC calls Amy H. 1/1/2 min, she is en route back to AL's apartment -----------en route back to AL area

4:13pm-----------------KC calls Lexus Dealership again-----------------------------------------------------en route back to AL area

4:27pm-----------------Maria K. calls KC, 1 1/4 min.---------------------------------------------------------back in AL area

4:28pm-----------------No phone activity until 6:39pm (other than poss. ATT msgs----------------------in AL area
(2 hr. gap)
6:39pm-----------------KC calls Cindy A's cell- 2.6 min-------------------------------------------------------from AL Area
(This is the last call of the day of the 18th until 8:32am the next morn.) (13+ hr. gap)

Zoe Bogart
11-16-2008, 02:32 AM
Aksleuth,

I know the Orlando area well. What if we extended the line just a tad to Lake Underhill (the lake with the expressway over it) (I was really against thinking she threw her there due to active construction in the area). Also, what if we knocked the line down to Lake Tennessee which is DIRECTLY across from the Sawgrass Apartments?

I'm willing to snorkel in any lakes where there aren't TONS of gators (like there are in Jessup).


I wouldn't suggest you snorkel alone. Gators, ugh! I encountered one once and one of the guys near us asked if I was sure it was a gator and not a croc, then proceeded to explain the difference! One has a squared mouth/nose the other has a more pointed one. :rolleyes: Like I was going to get up close and personal, for crying out loud! The idiot should have known our waters are infested with alligators. Had he never heard "Polk Salad Annie"? It ain't the crocodiles who grow so mean around these parts. Ask Elvis. Sheesh!

I'm catching up on this thread and I hope you haven't risked your life alone. :eek:

I tried to ask the other night about the pinpoint of where to start looking for 4.5 miles WNW or ESE, but I don't think I was understood. I wanted to know if there could be another location instead of from the Anthonys' house? Like possibly Tony's apartment, Amscot, Fusion?

Lake Tennessee looked interesting to me, too, but is there a large park area, isolated, where KC could go undetected at night or anytime of the day? Honestly, I can't see that gal going to all sorts of labor-intensive activities or endangering herself just to hide Caylee. I mean, think of KC's slender body, her tight skimpy shirts, her 'lovely' nails - she could get hurt or worse, break a nail. She doesn't strike me as a get down in the mud, crawling through the swamps, facing the gators and snakes kind of gal. Either she had someone else do the dirty work or she ditched her quite easily in a place where she just had to place her or throw her, and camouflage her.

21merc7
11-16-2008, 08:13 AM
Cotton_Candy I think the Court appointed Jose during the initial phases for fraud, which would mean the experts will be paid by the State also. (There should be a document somewhere for the Court Appointment, I don't know where.)

Asksleuth, Polk Salad Annie, lol! I love that song. My ex-husband went a visit to an old record store and found the 45, just because I told him how to make it, and made it from the "weed" it is made of for him. He was scared. Ha!

ETA: I am not sure about Baez being appointed. I am not good with the search function yet. If he is not, he could have signed up pro bono as this will just make his career take off like a jet plane!

21merc7
11-16-2008, 08:17 AM
Ok, this is a little O/T, but it is important.

Anyone who has ever worked with lawyers (or is a lawyer!) KNOWS, all things being equal, the strength of the legal team is the key to the outcome of a criminal trial.

Unless the body is discovered before this case goes to trial, I fear Prosecution will have a tough time getting a conviction, regardless of the truth of the matter...

The charts show two strong men, whom I believe will give each other a run for their money. Quick-minded LL thinks on his feet, punches, jabs, stings with alarming accuracy. He is "all over the place," yet purposeful with ability to overcome obstacles. His natal Saturn/Uranus conjunction closely conjunct ALGOL (not shown) gives me the sense his attitude when prosecuting is "Off With Their Heads!!" (Caput Algol is associated with 'losing one's head,' either literally or figuratively...).

LL's Mars at 17 Gemini (words, speech) exactly trines HL's Mars at 17 Libra (the law, justice, being able to see both sides of the story). Mars is action, agression, energy. You can see here they are equally matched and how HL will likely get the jury to see & consider "the other side of the story..."

HL's SUN (and possibly MOON) are in deep, secretive, penetrating, powerful Scorpio. He will definitely intimidate and persuade.

There's more to be said, but this is enough for now...

Without having their birth times it is impossible to calculate their angles (Ascendant, Midheaven) that could show, using progressions and transits, who appears more likely to prevail.

Here are the charts:

1) Lawson Lamar

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/LawsonLamar.gif


2) Henry Lee

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/HenryLee.gif


3) Biwheel with HL as inner and LL as outer

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/HenryLeevsLawsonLamarBIWHEEL.gif





Tuba, Kaitland, Housemouse --- comments?

Thanks,
Soulscape

I am no astrologer, but I do believe she has quite the big name team now. Very powerful figures, powerful reputations, powerful minds. (Excluding Baez, snicker.) I am happy you did this chart. When I say Henry Lee is now involved, well, regardless of the Spector incident, that says a lot.

21merc7
11-16-2008, 08:21 AM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SilenceoftheTomb013.jpg

This is a horoscope I cast to follow up on my suggestion of last night that we look into the cell pings & their silences during that period when Casey was encumbered with a body. It seems like a good idea to explore possible burial or disposal locations by water while we are in the Scorpio sector of the zodiac. We have little of it left.

Casey faced one of the major decisions of her life as Mercury stationed to turn direct on the degree of the Uranian node. The Part of the Female Child for this chart is 14:40 II conjunct Mercury. The Moon was in the Sign of the Gravedigger and in detriment and was opposing a very young Venus at 0:44 Cancer. Moon is conjunct Pluto and Venus combust the Sun. Both Moon & Venus are in crisis (0° Cardinal Signs).

Pluto will shame an inert, vacillating individual into action and the embarrassment here is due to the Mars opposite Neptune reek in the Pontiac. Pluto conceals knowledge private to her and acts with detachment, stolidly. Pluto works silently and the cell phone will be turned off in a half hour. The gravedigging Moon and Pluto are trine Saturn in the earth of Virgo. Saturn repeats the theme of gravedigger.

Mars in H. 9 (very active on a cusp) is the action planet of a completed YOD, with Neptune at the reaction point and Jupiter and Uranus forming the sextile, both of course qunicunx Mars. A YOD means Casey was at the crossroads and would make a major decision. The YOD triggers life shifting change and many crimes are committed under this formation.

In thread #1, I wrote about the Mars identification to her mother in Caylee's chart. Casey had Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto plus progressed Mars all at the degree of Caylee's own parental planet Mars in Taurus. All those facets of Casey's character & personality expressed as a Mars mother in Caylee's chart, one who was also sensual and focused on young men who appeared as strangers to Caylee (H. 9).

In this chart the type of parenting in behalf of her child is again Mars, ruler of H. 5 where is found the critical degree of 26 Aries, a crisis over a child. Unless you were born on a raft and had to swim to an island, you would not choose Mars for your mother.

This chart still speaks of a grave dug on the bank of water, likely a lake or pond but definitely by water. Because the critical node & Neptune were opposite Mars and the Sun was in the H. of others & the public opposite Pluto and the Moon of activity, I believe Casey was dreadfully afraid of being seen. Strangers, travelers did see her, certainly. Those oppositions and the Sun in H. 7 ruling H. 9 make that clear.

Casey's natal decision point was 1:18 Aries, square the choice made here. She forced herself to do this, therefore, though fearful of being caught at it.

Wow! You guys are really astounding. Tuba, do you think Caylee is somewhere that she can or will be found? Everyone is looking IN the water, not at the banks....

technicalconfusion
11-16-2008, 12:08 PM
Cotton_Candy I think the Court appointed Jose during the initial phases for fraud, which would mean the experts will be paid by the State also. (There should be a document somewhere for the Court Appointment, I don't know where.)

Asksleuth, Polk Salad Annie, lol! I love that song. My ex-husband went a visit to an old record store and found the 45, just because I told him how to make it, and made it from the "weed" it is made of for him. He was scared. Ha!

ETA: I am not sure about Baez being appointed. I am not good with the search function yet. If he is not, he could have signed up pro bono as this will just make his career take off like a jet plane!

She hired him. Told him she had $5000 to give him. Which is a lie. This is believe is in her dads interview with the LE that just recently was released.

angelight
11-16-2008, 12:25 PM
Hi I think what ya all do is very astonishing on here I have been following the case since day 1 and been a lurker on this sight I also have a very strong psychic intuition and I can not shake some posts that I have read on (Brians Dreams) I hope I am allowed to post this ???On page 7 someone please go to and tell me what ya all believe on the pictures where there is a building with few windows a dirt road wild yellow flowers poles on the embankment of a canal and the walt disney blue tarp or to me it looks like a childs poncho raincoat from disney covering a spot in the woods.Thanks

FifthEssence
11-16-2008, 12:34 PM
Hi I think what ya all do is very astonishing on here I have been following the case since day 1 and been a lurker on this sight I also have a very strong psychic intuition and I can not shake some posts that I have read on (Brians Dreams) I hope I am allowed to post this ???On page 7 someone please go to and tell me what ya all believe on the pictures where there is a building with few windows a dirt road wild yellow flowers poles on the embankment of a canal and the walt disney blue tarp or to me it looks like a childs poncho raincoat from disney covering a spot in the woods.Thanks


Page 7 in this thread? I didn't see any pictures there. What area/vicinity is the photo referencing?

angelight
11-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Im sorry no you must of misunderstood page 7 on (Brians Dreams)

Tuba
11-16-2008, 02:48 PM
21merc7, this is the best time to look in the water because the Sun is moving through Scorpio. Scorpio not only represents water but is also the Sign of searching and investigating. Mars was also transiting Scorpio during recent weeks and he is the active force in searches. We lost Mars to Sagittarius a couple of days ago.

Before we lose the Sun as well, diving and scanning is well timed. What is in the earth will wait for us. The Sun enters Sagittarius on November 21 at 5:45 p.m. in Orlando. Blackwater found the sack with the toys although it was lodged under an object but currents being what they are, we can't trust remains to stay in place under water. It is difficult to say whether the original "grave" was invaded by enough flooding to shift the contents. If there was a gross upheaval, we would have found some part of the cadaver by now.

Examining the chart for 18 June, Saturn in H. 9 tells us Casey made an effort to be shrewd and cunning in her decision about placing the body on her hands. She has watched and played a lot of commercial games. From her own remarks, she considers herself highly skilled with them. There may be craft and guile in what she did with Caylee. My imagination is dead this morning but maybe someone else has suggestions along these lines. When I try to pursue this at night, I get sick just following her on the mental retina.

This same Virgo Saturn in H. 9 is in reflex action with the cusp of H. 5. Each is the solstice point of the other. That means the Sun's transit of the chart Saturn would have reactivated the crisis, 26° Aries, to do with Caylee. I checked the timeline and it was then that the first case documents were dumped and JB tried for an injunction to prevent that. That was also the day the A's stated that Casey was helping find her daughter. Interesting that Leonard's Aries planets also continually agitate the facts surrounding the Saturn burial. Without his participation, we would be in something of a dead zone right now.

mom_of_five
11-16-2008, 03:07 PM
Where can I find any charts done for June 19? Thanks!

Soulscape
11-16-2008, 03:31 PM
Back on Astro thread #1, I quoted an age-old saying that bears repeating:

The Stars don’t lie. People lie, but the Stars do not lie.

On November 15, 2008 at 7:49 pm, CBS posted an article stating “New Spokesperson and Cindy Anthony: Caylee is Still Alive.”

http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710762___article.html/bart_family.html

In the article, new spokesperson Michelle Bart encourages “the community to get to know the Anthony family on a different level.” Bart thinks the family will surprise you. “They’re down to earth…approachable…very honest,” Bart said.

The chart cast for Ms. Bart’s entrance into the Wonderful World of the Anthonys begs to differ.

Before I even cast the chart, I expected to see strong Gemini/ Mercury/ Neptune/ Pisces (all associated with liars and lying) and I was not disappointed. In fact, if the chart were any more transparent, it would be arrested for indecent exposure.

See:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/NewPRPersonsaysCayleeisAlive.gif


29:58 degrees Gemini rises. There are only 30 degrees in a sign, so what is being said now, “Caylee is Still Alive,” is way, way too late... More than that, it’s a lie because Gemini is the sign of liars in this type of horary question.

Why is it way too late for Caylee to be alive? Because she’s dead. How do we know she’s dead? Because if we look across the horizon to the 7th House, we see the Truth (Sagittarius):

Pluto (death) in Sagittarius (Truth) conjunct Venus (Caylee) in Capricorn (the grave) --- glaringly opposed to New PR Person’s “Caylee is Alive” statement. Astrologically, this is strikingly indisputable testimony the statement is a lie.

New PR Person is symbolized by Mercury, ruler of the 1st House Gemini. In the chart you will see Mercury located at 18:25 Scorpio (intrigue, what goes on behind the scenes, "under the covers") in the 5th House of Children, so New PR Person (Mercury) is blabbering --- er, “broadcasting” about a child being alive (Mercury conjunct Sun (life) in the 5th House of Children).

But wait --- what’s that I see? (Lying) Mercury squares (deceptive) Neptune (in crisis degree, no less!) and Neptune (deception) squares the Sun (life). Oh Duh!!! (slapping head with hand) --- I get it, NEW PR PERSON IS LYING!!!

The 10th House shows what is before the public eye. With delusional Pisces on the 10th House Cusp, we know the public is being bamboozled by a spinmeister --- i.e., New PR Person.

The End of the Matter 4th House, Virgo, is ruled by Mercury (New PR Person), so it is obvious she will go ahead and continue to broadcast (Mercury) her version of the story (Mercury), that Caylee is alive. However, notice that Saturn, significator of Death as well as ruler of the 8th House of Death in this chart is just inside the 4th House cusp. So New PR Person is speaking with forked tongue... Saturn situated in 4th House of Endings also rules the 9th House of Broadcasting/ Mass Communications (as the traditional ruler) and with delusional Neptune there (in the 9th House), inconjunct Saturn and squared by Mercury (PR Person), we can see that all of this will eventually be revealed to be a lie.

Of course, those who read this thread already knew that...

In summary, as Magic Cat so succinctly stated on the New Anthony Spokesperson Caylee is Alive thread,

"The child is dead, has been dead and will continue to be dead..."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2949952&postcount=13

Thanks,
Soulscape

mom_of_five
11-16-2008, 04:40 PM
Back on Astro thread #1, I quoted an age-old saying that bears repeating:

The Stars don’t lie. People lie, but the Stars do not lie.

On November 15, 2008 at 7:49 pm, CBS posted an article stating “New Spokesperson and Cindy Anthony: Caylee is Still Alive.”

http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710762___article.html/bart_family.html

In the article, new spokesperson Michelle Bart encourages “the community to get to know the Anthony family on a different level.” Bart thinks the family will surprise you. “They’re down to earth…approachable…very honest,” Bart said.

The chart cast for Ms. Bart’s entrance into the Wonderful World of the Anthonys begs to differ.

Before I even cast the chart, I expected to see strong Gemini/ Mercury/ Neptune/ Pisces (all associated with liars and lying) and I was not disappointed. In fact, if the chart were any more transparent, it would be arrested for indecent exposure.

See:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/NewPRPersonsaysCayleeisAlive.gif


29:58 degrees Gemini rises. There are only 30 degrees in a sign, so what is being said now, “Caylee is Still Alive,” is way, way too late... More than that, it’s a lie because Gemini is the sign of liars in this type of horary question.

Why is it way too late for Caylee to be alive? Because she’s dead. How do we know she’s dead? Because if we look across the horizon to the 7th House, we see the Truth (Sagittarius):

Pluto (death) in Sagittarius (Truth) conjunct Venus (Caylee) in Capricorn (the grave) --- glaringly opposed to New PR Person’s “Caylee is Alive” statement. Astrologically, this is strikingly indisputable testimony the statement is a lie.

New PR Person is symbolized by Mercury, ruler of the 1st House Gemini. In the chart you will see Mercury located at 18:25 Scorpio (intrigue, what goes on behind the scenes, "under the covers") in the 5th House of Children, so New PR Person (Mercury) is blabbering --- er, “broadcasting” about a child being alive (Mercury conjunct Sun (life) in the 5th House of Children).

But wait --- what’s that I see? (Lying) Mercury squares (deceptive) Neptune (in crisis degree, no less!) and Neptune (deception) squares the Sun (life). Oh Duh!!! (slapping head with hand) --- I get it, NEW PR PERSON IS LYING!!!

The 10th House shows what is before the public eye. With delusional Pisces on the 10th House Cusp, we know the public is being bamboozled by a spinmeister --- i.e., New PR Person.

The End of the Matter 4th House, Virgo, is ruled by Mercury (New PR Person), so it is obvious she will go ahead and continue to broadcast (Mercury) her version of the story (Mercury), that Caylee is alive. However, notice that Saturn, significator of Death as well as ruler of the 8th House of Death in this chart is just inside the 4th House cusp. So New PR Person is speaking with forked tongue... Saturn situated in 4th House of Endings also rules the 9th House of Broadcasting/ Mass Communications (as the traditional ruler) and with delusional Neptune there (in the 9th House), inconjunct Saturn and squared by Mercury (PR Person), we can see that all of this will eventually be revealed to be a lie.

Of course, those who read this thread already knew that...

In summary, as Magic Cat so succinctly stated on the New Anthony Spokesperson Caylee is Alive thread,

"The child is dead, has been dead and will continue to be dead..."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2949952&postcount=13

Thanks,
Soulscape

I absolutely love this thread, but am sad and disappointed that all Pisces are perpetually being tossed into the "lying and liar" categories. I am actually a Pisces Sun AND Moon (with Taurus rising) and have always been told by those who know me that I'm the most honest person they've met. The more I read here, the less I want to.

:confused:

Soulscape
11-16-2008, 04:53 PM
I absolutely love this thread, but am sad and disappointed that all Pisces are perpetually being tossed into the "lying and liar" categories. I am actually a Pisces Sun AND Moon (with Taurus rising) and have always been told by those who know me that I'm the most honest person they've met. The more I read here, the less I want to.

:confused:

Momoffive,

As I told another reader of this thread awhile back, you are comparing apples with oranges. Forensic horary astrology, which is what I use most frequently on this thread, has a completely different set of rules & interpretations than natal astrology. I would never look at a person's chart, see strong Pisces (or strong Gemini) and declare them to be deceitful or a liar.

Horary astrology is very clear-cut, fatalistic and black & white. Please keep that in mind while reading my posts and don't take it personally.

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-16-2008, 04:57 PM
Back on Astro thread #1, I quoted an age-old saying that bears repeating:

The Stars don’t lie. People lie, but the Stars do not lie.

On November 15, 2008 at 7:49 pm, CBS posted an article stating “New Spokesperson and Cindy Anthony: Caylee is Still Alive.”

http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710762___article.html/bart_family.html

In the article, new spokesperson Michelle Bart encourages “the community to get to know the Anthony family on a different level.” Bart thinks the family will surprise you. “They’re down to earth…approachable…very honest,” Bart said.

The chart cast for Ms. Bart’s entrance into the Wonderful World of the Anthonys begs to differ.

Before I even cast the chart, I expected to see strong Gemini/ Mercury/ Neptune/ Pisces (all associated with liars and lying) and I was not disappointed. In fact, if the chart were any more transparent, it would be arrested for indecent exposure.

See:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/NewPRPersonsaysCayleeisAlive.gif


29:58 degrees Gemini rises. There are only 30 degrees in a sign, so what is being said now, “Caylee is Still Alive,” is way, way too late... More than that, it’s a lie because Gemini is the sign of liars in this type of horary question.

Why is it way too late for Caylee to be alive? Because she’s dead. How do we know she’s dead? Because if we look across the horizon to the 7th House, we see the Truth (Sagittarius):

Pluto (death) in Sagittarius (Truth) conjunct Venus (Caylee) in Capricorn (the grave) --- glaringly opposed to New PR Person’s “Caylee is Alive” statement. Astrologically, this is strikingly indisputable testimony the statement is a lie.

New PR Person is symbolized by Mercury, ruler of the 1st House Gemini. In the chart you will see Mercury located at 18:25 Scorpio (intrigue, what goes on behind the scenes, "under the covers") in the 5th House of Children, so New PR Person (Mercury) is blabbering --- er, “broadcasting” about a child being alive (Mercury conjunct Sun (life) in the 5th House of Children).

But wait --- what’s that I see? (Lying) Mercury squares (deceptive) Neptune (in crisis degree, no less!) and Neptune (deception) squares the Sun (life). Oh Duh!!! (slapping head with hand) --- I get it, NEW PR PERSON IS LYING!!!

The 10th House shows what is before the public eye. With delusional Pisces on the 10th House Cusp, we know the public is being bamboozled by a spinmeister --- i.e., New PR Person.

The End of the Matter 4th House, Virgo, is ruled by Mercury (New PR Person), so it is obvious she will go ahead and continue to broadcast (Mercury) her version of the story (Mercury), that Caylee is alive. However, notice that Saturn, significator of Death as well as ruler of the 8th House of Death in this chart is just inside the 4th House cusp. So New PR Person is speaking with forked tongue... Saturn situated in 4th House of Endings also rules the 9th House of Broadcasting/ Mass Communications (as the traditional ruler) and with delusional Neptune there (in the 9th House), inconjunct Saturn and squared by Mercury (PR Person), we can see that all of this will eventually be revealed to be a lie.

Of course, those who read this thread already knew that...

In summary, as Magic Cat so succinctly stated on the New Anthony Spokesperson Caylee is Alive thread,

"The child is dead, has been dead and will continue to be dead..."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2949952&postcount=13

Thanks,
Soulscape

above comments from Soulscape BOLDED by me

A perfect use of superlatives to describe the PR tale and the position of this new PR woman. Amazing how some will sell their Soul for a $buck$.

BAMBOOZLED-FORKED TONGUE-DECEPTION-BLABBERING-SPINMEISTER-LIARS
She fits in well with ANTHONY FREAKS and Associates.

Thank you Soulscape-did working up this chart make you dizzy?


W H E R E A R E Y O U L I T T L E G I R L? C A Y L E Eeeeee....
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mom_of_five
11-16-2008, 04:59 PM
Momoffive,

As I told another reader of this thread awhile back, you are comparing apples with oranges. Forensic horary astrology, which is what I use most frequently on this thread, has a completely different set of rules & interpretations than natal astrology. I would never look at a person's chart, see strong Pisces (or strong Gemini) and declare them to be deceitful or a liar.

Horary astrology is very clear-cut, fatalistic and black & white. Please keep that in mind while reading my posts and don't take it personally.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Thanks for clearing that up. I understand now. The question I was going to ask before feeling compelled to post that last reply was how do you recommend one begins studying horary astrology? I'm deeply interested in learning it. TIA.

I'm also still trying to find a June 19 chart...any direction is greatly appreciated.

Theonly1
11-16-2008, 05:07 PM
I absolutely love this thread, but am sad and disappointed that all Pisces are perpetually being tossed into the "lying and liar" categories. I am actually a Pisces Sun AND Moon (with Taurus rising) and have always been told by those who know me that I'm the most honest person they've met. The more I read here, the less I want to.

:confused:

Don't feel bad. I'm a Pisces too and not a liar either!

mom_of_five
11-16-2008, 05:19 PM
Don't feel bad. I'm a Pisces too and not a liar either!

Nice to meet you :). Unfortunately, lying is one of those accusations that you really cannot defend yourself from due to its very nature -- folks will just say you're lying about lying...heehee. :rolleyes: