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10-27-2008, 04:23 PM
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waltzingmatilda
10-27-2008, 04:28 PM
Thank you so much,
Windchime.:clap:

Dolce171
10-27-2008, 05:39 PM
Originally posted from Tube (thread 2 Page 28 #681)

The horary Where Is Caylee dates back to 2 Sep, before I came to the Forum. I've been a member of WS longer but not the Caylee Forum. My first post here is #664 on page 27 of our first Astro Thread. So, no bad, not to worry, you did not complicate the question. The situation is simply complicated because Caylee is our cherub but there are also remains of her here and there, in the air, as stains on a trunk carpet, as hair there, as DNA in the toys and clothes she left behind, as bones yet to be found. In order to prove what became of Caylee we have to look at her as these traces, pieces and parts and there was a lot to uncover and examine and test. Not only in the cause of justice but also to undo the dishonor done to her after death, we want to gather her up and give her a proper resting place.
Whatever does corporeally remain is more symbol as this late date, no longer whole. The spirit and its new form has soared away to its real home.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question Tuba. What you have shared makes perfect sense. :) Here's to all that will give of their personal time to give this angel her proper resting place..... yvette :blowkiss:

Dolce171
10-27-2008, 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by Dolce171
Soulscape,

The one thing that continually bothers me is that George was the one that stood over the trunk when it was originally opened. I have smelt death from a distance and can only imagine the horrible stench that must have come from the vehicle as George opened it. As a former member of LE - he would be all too familiar with what death smelt like.

At that very moment - George knew!

He drove that car home..... how???? I will never be able to comprehend ????

His denial of Caylee's death puzzled me - but I tried to resolve within myself that I have never grieved over the loss of the child and he must be working his way through the grieving process.

GA's presence and statements at the GJ brought me a glimmer of hope which was quickly blotted out in the days that followed by his return to the "land of denial."

Is it possible that George's inner turmoil with what he knows is true, his statements to the public, and his testimony before the GJ contribute to what your charts have revealed regarding "concealment" ? It's almost as if he is battling within himself......

your thoughts .....
yvette

Originally posted by Soulscape #682

Yvette,

I decided to look ahead a few days to 10/28 (Casey's upcoming court date) and see that George will continue to undergo some challenging transits to his natal planets. I am just listing a few that I think are relevant to your comments:

Transit Mercury sesquisquare (135 degrees) natal Mercury
Transit Mercury conjunct natal Neptune
Transit Mercury parallel natal Neptune

Mercury is the mind, mindset, thinking process. The contacts to natal Neptune could indicate both a tendency to be deceived and/or an ability to deceive others. Basically, George doesn't know what he is thinking because Neptune fogs everything up. With Neptune involvement, sometimes you are sure black is black and white is white and you are totally and completely unable to see the truth of the matter. Mercury/Neptune can also make a person gullible and/or subject to victimization. It can make one secretive.

Transit Mars sesquisquare natal Saturn (struggle, hardship, anger, impatience and depression)
Transit Mars trine natal Uranus (stamina, ability to withstand difficulties)
Transit Mars square natal Pluto (intense struggle, violence, violent feelings)
Transit Mars parallel natal Chiron (intense anger that can hurt or heal depending on how he uses the energy)

Transit Jupiter sesquisquare natal Mercury (overinflation of thought; poor judgment, bad decisions)
Transit Jupiter square natal Neptune (exaggeration, confused emotions, can cause him to be deceived or be deceiving, not being able to see straight, instability, changing his mind)

Transit Saturn conjunct natal Sun (depression, heavy burdens)
Transit Saturn parallel natal Sun (depression, heavy burdens, responsibility, taking it all on his shoulders, heavy heavy load)
Transit Saturn contraparallel natal Neptune (reality vs confusion/illusion --- what is real? what is a lie?)

Transit Neptune POSSIBLY parallel Moon (great sensitivity, highly impressionable, hides real feelings so sensitivity is not apparent, not talkative, attracts secret enemies, heightened sensitivity to drugs/medications)

We are not sure of George's Moon position, not having his exact time of birth. The Sunrise chart gives 29:30 Libra, but I suspect he was born later and has a Scorpio Moon, which is highly secretive, private, impatient, moody, easily hurt, jealous, set in its ways and very stubborn. This is a Moon that feels intensely but doesn't want to show its cards to the public. The Scorpio Moon, above all others, values its privacy...

The ongoing Mercury/Neptune and [probable] Neptune to Moon aspects are likely responsible for the denial and discrepancies he is exhibiting.

Hope this explanation is helpful,

Thanks,
Soulscape

Amazing insight Soulscape. Thank you!!!!! This certainly give's light to his behavior and reactions. My heart aches for this man and as a Scorpio I understand all too well the deep need for privacy. While the rest of the Anthony clan seems to be living in the land of "serious denial" - I strongly sense the inner struggle that is going on inside of George.

Tuba
10-27-2008, 06:29 PM
Since ministers & priests visit cells as part of the jail program, I don't place much weight on KC's consultation Friday. The Moon and Venus were at odds in the small hours and Mercury conflicted with Jupiter. Just as we all experience a period of thirty days once a year when we do not appear to advantage and tend to err in judgment, each month there are two and a half days when the Moon opposes our Sun Sign. We put our worst foot forward and are surprised when matters don't go well.

On Friday, the Moon had entered Virgo marking the day as Casey's monthly low, along with Saturday. Venus in Sagittarius put many in touch with their faith but the Moon was afflicting Venus and Venus was applying to Casey's Saturn. A day when she would sorely feel the limitations of her circumstances & when loneliness would invade her. Humility calls her name and offers to provide some aid in her situation but, being KC, she does not answer. She was envying those on the outside and her morale was on the cell floor.

In straits like these, when Moon trined Jupiter, she did anticipate at least diversion from the visit of the clergy. She did not come off well, did not make a favorable impression but on her part, she did appreciate relief from the day to day sameness.

technicalconfusion
10-27-2008, 07:15 PM
Trial date set for Feb 9, 2009:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17815663/detail.html

MeenaMom
10-27-2008, 07:34 PM
exactly 6 months after Caylee would have turned 3...........hmm

Tuba
10-27-2008, 07:48 PM
I thought how useful for court economy, when I saw the trial date. This is the very time when, you may remember, the truth comes to light! The writing on that was back in thread #2. I'll find the post and note it in our new thread thanks to Windchime.

I uploaded the chart for the pre-trial which will take place the day after the Election.
The chart is at http://s481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172CausticSalt

Tuba
10-27-2008, 08:04 PM
Thread: Amateur Astrological Info on Casey and Caylee: #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2762265#post2762265)
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Looking Months Ahead
Half way between Casey's Mars-Uranus conjunction and her Mercury is a sensitive place called the midpoint of her communicative tommyrot at 8°Aquarius. In February of the coming year, that sensitive degree will see the Moon's Node then Jupiter, then Venus and Mars together. On January 26, there will be a solar eclipse very close, 6° Aquarius 29'. All of this activity should bring a sharp turn, a change, significant news, espectially with the lunar node on that midpoint from February 7 through 25. Somehow, like a light ray piercing a black cloud, some truth will win through. Thank you Aquarius!:liar:

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Soulscape
10-27-2008, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by FifthEssence, 10/27/08 at 1:11 pm:
SOULSCAPE-TUBA-KAITLAND-HOUSEMOUSE(we miss you Housemouse)

According to the Nancy G show of 10/24, Casey had a 3 hour visit from a Minister-the same one whom the A's have recently held their vigils. It was never mentioned if Casey asked for the visit.
show transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../24/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/24/ng.01.html)

Do your findings show in any way that Casey was 'receptive' to spiritual counseling.

================================================== ============

Hello FifthEssence,
According to WESH-TV, the minister visited Casey for about three hours, Friday morning, 10/24/08. I decided to use an 8:45 am start time and found the chart to be as transparent as the lingerie Casey purchased from Target with Amy’s stolen credit card.


First, let me say I completely agree with Tuba’s read above in post #5. Casey was “lonely, envying those on the outside and her morale was on the cell floor” --- and this visit from the minister was likely a semi-welcome respite from boring slammer routine.


I say “semi-welcome” because although she likely enjoyed the diversion of a three hour chit-chat session with another human being --- unmonitored and untaped at that! --- she surely had no intention of letting anyone, Man of the Cloth or not, hear her confession and/or attempt to save her Immortal Soul.


Quite the contrary…


Out of 360 degrees and 12 signs in the Zodiac, guess which degrees/signs came up as angles on this Event chart?

…Caylee’s natal angles…


Stunningly, the Minister Visits Casey Event Chart has 16 Scorpio/Taurus on the Ascendant – Descendant axis (Caylee’s natal IC and Midheaven), and 20 Leo/Aquarius on the Midheaven – IC axis (Caylee’s natal Ascendant – Descendant).


You can view the chart at Photobucket, link below:


http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/MinisterVisitsCaseyinJail102408.gif


16 Scorpio rises making Mars chart ruler and symbolizing Casey. This 16 Scorpio Ascendant is partile (in the same degree) exact Caylee’s natal Ceres (the mother) and one degree applying to Caylee’s 4th House Cusp – The End of Life/ The Grave. Transparently, the chart is already revealing violence (Mars) done by the mother (Ceres) that results in death (conjunct Caylee’s 4th House End of Life/ The Grave.


Chart Ruler Mars (Casey) conjuncts the Ascendant from the 12th House of Secrets/ Self-Undoing/ Imprisonment (she is literally sitting in prison), sextiles Jupiter (the minister) and widely squares Neptune (lies). This shows deceitful (Neptune) action (Mars) by Casey (Mars) towards the minister (Mars sextile Jupiter). Additionally, Mercury (speech) squares Jupiter (natural ruler of ministers, priests, clergymen), so Casey didn’t confess anything.


She is totally on the defensive in her sneaky little way (all planets except Uranus on the Eastern side of the chart with chart ruler Mars (Casey) at the Ascendant and Mars in the 12th House of sneakiness).


And there's more transparency:



Poor Caylee’s natal Sun (16:58 Leo) is conjunct Event chart malefic South Node (death).


Even chart Part of Death 20:16 Leo is partile (in the same degree) conjunct Event chart Midheaven 20:46 Leo, and partile conjunct Caylee’s natal Ascendant degree 20:54 Leo.


Event chart Mercury (speech) in critical degree 13 Libra and Event chart Neptune (deceit) in critical degree 21 Aquarius so we have crisis involving speech (Mercury) and lies (Neptune) vs confession (Mercury) and salvation (Neptune). As shown above, no truth was told during this three hour meeting, no soul was comforted, no sinner saved...



It was just another act in Casey’s ongoing hit reality show, It’s (Honestly!) All About Casey!, the episode where tot mom wrongly accused of murder and rotting in jail gets to play victim/abandoned one in exchange for some human contact --- and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn she tuned him out as soon as he bowed his head, said “let us pray” and began reciting the Lord’s Prayer….

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
10-27-2008, 08:38 PM
We have a forum member called TiredOfThis. I love that moniker and I am myself feeling tired & disgusted by the lies and fabrications and equivocations rife in this case. So, feeling harsh, I want to bring up the fact that KC's Mars/Saturn midpoint is also a critical degree, 17°Sagittarius, telling us a sadistic urge caused a life crisis for KC and a death crisis for Caylee.

FifthEssence
10-28-2008, 02:04 AM
SOULSCAPE and TUBA,

Instinctively, I had similar feelings about Casey as you expressed but kept it under raps-I was questioning myself :confused:and wondering if I was being too judgemental and not open to the possibility that MAYBE the Minister 'planted a few seeds' that would echo in her mind, perhaps in her sleep.
The details you both have presented confirm a 'shell of a human being'. Ice cold and dark.

Maybe an EXORCISM is in order next vist.


The event in February perks my interest. How likely is it that she breaks down prior to her trial date and reveals some truths?

drip~drop
10-28-2008, 02:14 AM
Trial date set for Feb 9, 2009:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17815663/detail.html


Feb.9th huh?
Around here that means snowed in days. Looks like I'll be clear and free to watch MOTY get sent to prision for life.:behindbar

shgrbkr
10-28-2008, 06:45 AM
Has anyone done a chart on the "witnesses" who say thay saw someone similar to Casey coming out of the woods with shovel and bag to see if this is actually related to Casey's activities? I do not know the exact date and time of the report myself, but thought it might be an interesting question to ask in that it might be beneficial to search teams. If a chart has been done, please direct me where I can find it. I've looked, but I've been blind before. Many heartfelt thanks to all the amateur astrologists here sharing their insights.

Theonly1
10-28-2008, 07:20 AM
SOULSCAPE and TUBA,

Instinctively, I had similar feelings about Casey as you expressed but kept it under raps-I was questioning myself :confused:and wondering if I was being too judgemental and not open to the possibility that MAYBE the Minister 'planted a few seeds' that would echo in her mind, perhaps in her sleep.
The details you both have presented confirm a 'shell of a human being'. Ice cold and dark.

Maybe an EXORCISM is in order next vist.



"The power of Christ compels you!"

:)

Recovering-Lurker
10-28-2008, 09:52 AM
Hi. It looks like the trial date has been moved up.

"At a hearing on Tuesday morning, Judge Stan Strickland set a trial date for Jan. 5, 2009, at 9:30 a.m. A pretrial hearing is also slated for Dec. 11 at 9 a.m"

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17819528/detail.html

indymom77
10-28-2008, 10:08 AM
Has anyone done a chart on the "witnesses" who say thay saw someone similar to Casey coming out of the woods with shovel and bag to see if this is actually related to Casey's activities? I do not know the exact date and time of the report myself, but thought it might be an interesting question to ask in that it might be beneficial to search teams. If a chart has been done, please direct me where I can find it. I've looked, but I've been blind before. Many heartfelt thanks to all the amateur astrologists here sharing their insights.



Actually I beleive a chart was done and those witness statements were not true, or at least one of them was, it was in the other thread, towards the end.

Soulscape
10-28-2008, 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by shgrbkr http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2872866#post2872866)
Has anyone done a chart on the "witnesses" who say thay saw someone similar to Casey coming out of the woods with shovel and bag to see if this is actually related to Casey's activities? I do not know the exact date and time of the report myself, but thought it might be an interesting question to ask in that it might be beneficial to search teams. If a chart has been done, please direct me where I can find it. I've looked, but I've been blind before. Many heartfelt thanks to all the amateur astrologists here sharing their insights.



Actually I beleive a chart was done and those witness statements were not true, or at least one of them was, it was in the other thread, towards the end.

Hello Shgrbkr & Indymom,

The chart and post addressed the question whether or not Casey had an accomplice. Please see #672 on page 27 of Astro Thread #2:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71426&page=27

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
10-28-2008, 11:42 AM
Hi. It looks like the trial date has been moved up.

"At a hearing on Tuesday morning, Judge Stan Strickland set a trial date for Jan. 5, 2009, at 9:30 a.m. A pretrial hearing is also slated for Dec. 11 at 9 a.m"

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17819528/detail.html

Wonder what instigated a change in pre-tial and trial dates?
I went back to previous posts and found this one by TUBA. Changing the pretrial date to Dec.11th brings even more meaning to this:

TUBA quote:The Full Moon on Dec. 13 and then again the planets of the following Tuesday afflict Casey's chart so powerfully that she may want to tear those pages off the calendar. The Sun will be on her Mars-Uranus square her Mercury with Saturn also square her Mercury and the Moon completing a Mutable Grand Square: all four points mutually afflicting one another. Also called a Mutable Grand Cross. By Dec. 16, Mars and Saturn will move even closer. Mars will be 21:34 Sag and Saturn 21:32 Virgo at zero hours of the 16th. Fighting and failing, fighting and failing. Nerves on wires. Anger that cannot be contained.

Tuba
10-28-2008, 11:58 AM
It was a swift change from yesterdays setting so JB may have argued for a speedier trial. December has a couple of other posts, #473 on p. 19 and #402 on p. 17 of Thread 2. If JB thinks the present state of the ev is weak, he may feel sanguine about going forward but December holds trouble for the prisoner & the defense. FifthEssence, I don't see the verities of the case emerging until those dates from February 7. What I do see is the amassing of convincing ev between now and trial and December should yield some discoveries and analyses that bear heavily on the case. The eclipse in January is a flag drop, signaling the appearance of important, well argued information to come.

Recovering-Lurker
10-28-2008, 12:06 PM
It was a swift change from yesterdays setting so JB may have argued for a speedier trial. December has a couple of other posts, #473 on p. 19 and #402 on p. 17 of Thread 2. If JB thinks the present state of the ev is weak, he may feel sanguine about going forward but December holds trouble for the prisoner & the defense. FifthEssence, I don't see the verities of the case emerging until those dates from February 7. What I do see is the amassing of convincing ev between now and trial and December should yield some discoveries and analyses that bear heavily on the case. The eclipse in January is a flag drop, signaling the appearance of important, well argued information to come.

Hi Tuba. The state requested the trial date be moved up, so they must feel confident in the evidence they have. I don't know if that changes anything, but just thought I would put it out there. Thanks for all you do. :blowkiss:

"The state also asked the judge to move the trial period back from a previously set date in early February, possibly to put more pressure of the defense,. The judge agreed and Casey's pre-trial conference is now set for December 11 and the trial is set for January 5."

http://www.wftv.com/news/17819575/detail.html

Soulscape
10-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Pre-Trial Chart December 11, 2008, 9:00 am, Orlando FL suggests Murder Trial will be delayed.

See the chart here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/pre-trial121108.gif


Capricorn Rising retards or delays. Since prosecution initiates, they are given 1st House Capricorn, ruled by Saturn at 21:22 Virgo conjunct 9th House of Law/the Court. They are chomping at the bit to get this trial going. However, Saturn (prosecution) is squared by MARS (judge) and opposed by Uranus (T-square formation). MARS the judge is combust (within 8 degrees of the Sun) and peregrine. Combustion literally means "burned up," by the Sun, and thus, Mars the Judge is greatly weakened as well as being peregrine (unable to act).

7th House Cancer, ruler MOON symbolizes defense. MOON (defense) is Out of Bounds (loose canon), in critical degree (4 Mutable) and thus in crisis mode, peregrine (unable to act) and besieged (trapped) between Saturn (prosecution) and Uranus (sudden changes/ the uncontrollable). This sounds really bad for MOON (defense) but actually, under the circumstances, it is favorable for them. They are not ready to go to trial so they will move to delay. The Judge will have no recourse but to grant their motion.

This likelihood is confirmed by examing End of the Matter 4th House (Taurus) and its ruler Venus.

VENUS exactly trines the MOON (defense). Notice also LIBRA is intercepted in the 9th House of Law, so VENUS, ruler of Libra, interferes with the matters of this House. Venus in Aquarius breaks free --- and trining the Moon (defense), her wish is granted.

In a nutshell, defense will move to delay the trial because they are not ready to proceed. The court (Judge) will have to grant their motion. There will be no murder trial on January 5, 2009....

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
10-28-2008, 09:35 PM
You are very welcome, Recovering Lurker. Thank YOU for the information about the re-setting of the Homicide Trial, which you provided before the date was calendared at the Orange Co. Ct. Clerk site or in many of the Florida newspapers. With today's Moon ruling the H. of the lawyers, H. 9 at zero degrees, there will be changes in personnel as the weeks tic by. Defense may seek a change of venue & depending on the result of that quest, there may be another trial judge. Since there is so much case publicity and it is widespread, another venue may not alter bias in the jury pool. I don't think much was gained by moving the Scott P. trial and it was costly in time lost and in expense.

shgrbkr
10-28-2008, 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by shgrbkr http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2872866#post2872866)
Has anyone done a chart on the "witnesses" who say thay saw someone similar to Casey coming out of the woods with shovel and bag to see if this is actually related to Casey's activities? I do not know the exact date and time of the report myself, but thought it might be an interesting question to ask in that it might be beneficial to search teams. If a chart has been done, please direct me where I can find it. I've looked, but I've been blind before. Many heartfelt thanks to all the amateur astrologists here sharing their insights.


Hello Shgrbkr & Indymom,

The chart and post addressed the question whether or not Casey had an accomplice. Please see #672 on page 27 of Astro Thread #2:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71426&page=27

Thanks,
Soulscape



Thank you, yes, I have already read the evaluation on the accomplice theory. I was actually asking if the witness' statements of seeing her coming from the woods were true or pertinent to this case, but it's a small thing I suppose, and I won't persist with this query. It was more a curiosity.

Now, I would like to ask if any of the astrologers here have looked at the sampling of the tips, as some of them are from astrological charting, and would like to know what you think of them?

FifthEssence
10-28-2008, 11:04 PM
You are very welcome, Recovering Lurker. Thank YOU for the information about the re-setting of the Homicide Trial, which you provided before the date was calendared at the Orange Co. Ct. Clerk site or in many of the Florida newspapers. With today's Moon ruling the H. of the lawyers, H. 9 at zero degrees, there will be changes in personnel as the weeks tic by. Defense may seek a change of venue & depending on the result of that quest, there may be another trial judge. Since there is so much case publicity and it is widespread, another venue may not alter bias in the jury pool. I don't think much was gained by moving the Scott P. trial and it was costly in time lost and in expense.



What ever the transitions may be, I pray nothing prevents Strickland from presiding over this trial. I'm a big fan of his presence. If there's going to be changes or additonal personnel, I hope it's limited to the prosecution and defense teams.

In the henious kidnapping and murder of Jessica Lunsford, Judge Richard Howard oversaw all courts proceedings from initial charges to sentencing. Although the crime occurred In Citrus County FL where he presides, he heard the case at a venue around the Miami area because of a Defense action seeking an unbiased jury. Once the jury announced their decision, the Judge & the convicted evil one, Couey, returned to the county for the sentencing phase.

:praying: Hope my prayers are heard! :praying:

magic-cat
10-29-2008, 02:07 AM
Respectfully snipped:)

:praying: Hope my prayers are heard! :praying:


I will pray with you...I like Judge Strickland also...and hope he will be the presiding judge.

Tuba
10-29-2008, 11:31 AM
Even though the defense would be super foolish to call the accused to the stand in light of her incredibility, she has absented herself from a series of appointments with the court where she could have chosen to appear. Lately, her position in hiding has been symbolised by planets, notably Mars, in the Hidden House, 12. Prior to this period, she was Mars or other planets in Libra.

It is not good protocol to avoid the humiliation of the bond hearing by refusing to come before Judge Strickland with a vocal plea in later proceedings. Looks like skulking in a guilty corner or a shrew going to ground. One of our Constitutional guarantees is the right to face our accuser and there are more than the obvious reasons for that.

Juries and the public make assumptions, despite instructions, when the accused fails to testify in his or her own behalf. Likewise, concealing oneself from the court and the prosecution raises suspicion. What is to be made of a prisoner who has so little faith in the rightness of her position that she will not willingly show her face! It is a failure that tarnishes the lustre of a bold defense.

Theonly1
10-29-2008, 11:48 AM
Even though the defense would be super foolish to call the accused to the stand in light of her incredibility, she has absented herself from a series of appointments with the court where she could have chosen to appear. Lately, her position in hiding has been symbolised by planets, notably Mars, in the Hidden House, 12. Prior to this period, she was Mars or other planets in Libra.

It is not good protocol to avoid the humiliation of the bond hearing by refusing to come before Judge Strickland with a vocal plea in later proceedings. Looks like skulking in a guilty corner or a shrew going to ground. One of our Constitutional guarantees is the right to face our accuser and there are more than the obvious reasons for that.

Juries and the public make assumptions, despite instructions, when the accused fails to testify in his or her own behalf. Likewise, concealing oneself from the court and the prosecution raises suspicion. What is to be made of a prisoner who has so little faith in the rightness of her position that she will not willingly show her face! It is a failure that tarnishes the lustre of a bold defense.

Tuba, it is typical to send it a written plea at this point. But I'm surprised she didn't want to get some air and get out of that cell for a little while that wasn't just "rec time".

Pink Panther
10-29-2008, 11:53 AM
Tuba, it is typical to send it a written plea at this point. But I'm surprised she didn't want to get some air and get out of that cell for a little while that wasn't just "rec time".
I've removed my post because it was catty and inappropriate to this thread. :)

magic-cat
10-29-2008, 12:04 PM
I read some of the "tips" and wonder if any of our astrologers here has had a chance to look them over. The one in particular that I am looking at is the one from a "so-called" astrologer who implicates Amy and Tony in numerous ways, and that the drug may have been heroine instead of chloroform, and that Caylee was being used to "transport" drugs and died because of it...This sounds completely off base with everything that we have discussed here, and I wondered if anyone in our forum could understand how the writer came up with those conclusions...just a wonder...Thanks guys-

Soulscape
10-29-2008, 01:55 PM
I read some of the "tips" and wonder if any of our astrologers here has had a chance to look them over. The one in particular that I am looking at is the one from a "so-called" astrologer who implicates Amy and Tony in numerous ways, and that the drug may have been heroine instead of chloroform, and that Caylee was being used to "transport" drugs and died because of it...This sounds completely off base with everything that we have discussed here, and I wondered if anyone in our forum could understand how the writer came up with those conclusions...just a wonder...Thanks guys-

Hi Magic,

I have not read the tips you mention, but I'll make a comment:

Many of the charts connected to this case have, right from the start, involved strong and consistent Neptune & Pluto factors.

In general, negative manifestations of Neptune include drugs (of any kind), alcohol, poison, deception, illusion, fantasy, trickery, deceit, guilt and addiction --- among other things. Keep in mind that Neptune also rules what is hidden, never to be revealed.

Pluto is often connected with conspiracies, drug addiction, crime, death, sexual excess and complications of extreme nature.

However, to look at a chart and proclaim Neptune is a substance rather than something ethereal, or that Neptune is cocaine rather than pot, or that it's heroin rather than chloroform --- and that Pluto is a sex ring, or it's a child prostitution ring, or it's using a body to transport drugs --- these are not distinctions I would feel comfortable making unless I ascertained very strong, compelling and consistent astrological back-up evidence. Personally, I would have to see more than 3 testimonies per chart, and I'd have to see some kind of replication in subsequent charts, and even then, I'm not sure I could differentiate between two types of drugs, for example...

As astrologers, we each read charts through our own perception filters -- or blinders, as the case may be! I can only speak for myself, but my impressions of the charts in this case I've examined do not support the conclusions offered by the astrologer in your quote above.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
10-29-2008, 02:03 PM
I just want to add to my post #31 above, that Neptune in Aquarius --- if it were to be a drug or poison -- would suggest "chloroform in the air" as opposed to heroin, as Aquarius is an Air sign, as Tuba previously pointed out (not sure in which post she discussed this...).

Thanks,
Soulscape

technicalconfusion
10-29-2008, 02:06 PM
Hi Magic,

I have not read the tips you mention, but I'll make a comment:

Many of the charts connected to this case have, right from the start, involved strong and consistent Neptune & Pluto factors.

Soulscape

I extracted one chart and the commentary with it if anyone wants it. I don't know how many astro charts are in the tips dump - I haven't read them all yet.

MeenaMom
10-29-2008, 04:06 PM
I would like a peek at it would you post it please.....Thank you :)

technicalconfusion
10-29-2008, 05:10 PM
Download it from here:

http://flawebhosting.net/tips/astrochart.zip

There are a few pdf's in the bundle.

Soulscape
10-29-2008, 08:07 PM
Download it from here:

http://flawebhosting.net/tips/astrochart.zip

There are a few pdf's in the bundle.

Hi Tech,

Thank you very much for posting the link.

I have been aware of this Astrologer's work for some time now and highly respect her. She has published several articles regarding Missing Person (and particularly, missing children) cases on the internet and IIRC, at one time she maintained a blog (don't think it's still active, but don't know for sure).

I noticed on these PDFs she appeared to work with Caylee's untimed birthchart. I do not know if she used accurately timed event charts (such as the #3 Phone Call by Cindy to LE) as we have on our Astro threads. Her work with lexigrams is very interesting and if you have the chance to read some of her previous case work, you may be amazed at the insights she revealed that later proved to be accurate.

However, while I respect her work, I cannot honestly say I agree with some of her conclusions regarding Caylee's demise --- particularly the heroin, ingesting of drugs, and involvement of Amy and Tony --- based on my own analysis of several timed charts (including Caylee's timed natal chart) over the course of this case thus far.

Nonetheless, I respect her time & commitment in examining the charts and reporting her findings to LE, just in case they may prove helpful.

FWIW, I think our greatest hope is that little Caylee's remains will be recovered and her family, as well as all of us, can come to closure on this sad, heartbreaking story, regardless of whether it ever comes to pass that some astrologer's analysis turned out to be "correct."

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
10-29-2008, 09:07 PM
The chart for the pre-trial hearing on 5 November is a standing bowl, self contained and with Saturn as the leading planet. Saturn is found in H. 9 of our common law foundation and legal precedents, where that planet requires serious assumption of moral, ethical and legal obligations as a way of going forward and filling in the empty half of the chart.

In the empty hemisphere are the important Houses that deal with the assets of others, the legal opposition, forensic services and agents and tools, brazen risk taking and confidence games and finally, the outcome of the event. These are read clockwise from Saturn, in order. Pallas Athena is shown at 20°II but is not included in pattern determination such as The Bowl.

The event is derived from the Sun's position, here in the H. of law breaking and in the Sign of Scorpio which is the Sign of resources belonging to others. The Moon is in the House of money but in that Sign of rebellion, Aquarius. Aquarius does not conform to norms and bounds. The Moon rules H. 8, cash, checks and assets belonging to others. How interesting that the Node is not only at the degree of the Sun but also in partile square. This denotes a tragedy and a male figure important to this case is menaced by the affliction seen here.

The last aspect of the Moon in prosecuting the fraud, theft, false uttering & conversion is a sextile to Pluto and an out of Sign inconjunct to Mercury. Aside from serving time (Moon square Mars), there will be an opportunity for restitution due to these aspects, which denote the need to repay the stolen funds. That is not to say that this moral call will be heeded.

Some event will occur at the hearing that is not planned. At pre-trial, JB will advise the court whether a jury is wanted for the crimes charged. The judge may entertain certain motions having to do with legal issues. Any rulings on them will be binding & not relitigated at trial. If JB does not file important motions, they are deemed waived.
The Rising Sign of Sagittarius confirms that this event is a legal proceeding, also shown by the Sun's Sign on H. 9. Once again, Sagittarian ruler Jupiter (the judge himself) is the energy that mediates the powerful tension between Saturn and Uranus. Judge Strickland also has solar support by sextile so he is well situated to govern the hearing with wisdom and eloquence. http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt

Mars is contra parallel Pluto and Saturn is contra parallel Uranus during this morning hearing, so despite the containment shown by The Bowl standing on its edge, emotions are running high.

FifthEssence
10-29-2008, 10:18 PM
respectfully snipped from [QUOTE=Tuba;2881205]

The event is derived from the Sun's position, here in the H. of law breaking and in the Sign of Scorpio which is the Sign of resources belonging to others. The Moon is in the House of money but in that Sign of rebellion, Aquarius. Aquarius does not conform to norms and bounds. The Moon rules H. 8, cash, checks and assets belonging to others. How interesting that the Node is not only at the degree of the Sun but also in partile square. This denotes a tragedy and a male figure important to this case is menaced by the affliction seen here.

Some event will occur at the hearing that is not planned


As to the 'some unplanned event' occuring at the $$ hearing, is there any possibility they change their plea to Nolo Contendere, after all they do have her on film at the bank and shopping plus her own incriminating signature on Amy's check. I ask this because you said someone may have an opportunity to pay restitution. hmmm..

Regarding the 'menaced' male adult, GA comes to mind. I'm thinking maybe it's becoming unbearable for him to live the lie.


Tuba, what ARE the possibilities?

Tuba
10-29-2008, 10:44 PM
Yes, 5th, I feel the same concern for George. Then I happened to discover that Casey will have the Dark Moon Lilith on her Saturn on 5 November, which could damage the saturnian figure in her life, her father. Generally speaking, Saturn is identified to the father in a native's chart. That is true whether he is the disciplinarian and task master or not. So, I share your alarm & dread.

Sure, it is available to Casey and the defense that she change her plea to nolo. Aside from the vid, a witness can be present at the hearing if needed. Also, the Moon will reach Neptune of renunciation but not before the hearing ends. Also Mars is square Neptune which denotes challenging the witnesses of H. 3. Mars is the prisoner, Miss Anthony.

This weekend, the Sun will square George's Mars in the Sign of the heart.

housemouse
10-29-2008, 11:01 PM
Fellow Astrological researchers, I haven't forgotten you. I have been laid very low with "adult croup", and am slowly recovering, but exhausted from all the unproductive coughing.

Carry on, and when I am back to myself, I will chime in again.

Lovejac
10-29-2008, 11:11 PM
Fellow Astrological researchers, I haven't forgotten you. I have been laid very low with "adult croup", and am slowly recovering, but exhausted from all the unproductive coughing.

Carry on, and when I am back to myself, I will chime in again.

Oh, my dear housemouse! The reason I joined Websleuths......

I have been praying for your recovery along with MANY others!

Please, please take care of yourself first.....I do miss you so!:blowkiss:

Tuba
10-29-2008, 11:27 PM
I am sorry you are still wracked w. that cough. Such a cough is an irritating companion too. We are all waiting for the all-out search, of course and praying there will be a result.

shgrbkr
10-30-2008, 12:47 AM
I was wondering if the male figure menaced by the affliction could also be her grandfather as it was the funds stowed away to pay for his care that was also stolen. Then again, George has also been victimized financially by Casey as well.

TURBOTHINK
10-30-2008, 01:37 AM
Trial date set for Feb 9, 2009:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17815663/detail.html

I believe the trial date has been set back by the judge to January 5th. Not positive about the exact date, but you might want to check it.

Zoe Bogart
10-30-2008, 02:19 AM
Hello Shgrbkr & Indymom,

The chart and post addressed the question whether or not Casey had an accomplice. Please see #672 on page 27 of Astro Thread #2:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71426&page=27

Thanks,
Soulscape


Wow! That was terrific Soulscape. I'm just catching up on all the posts. I've been on vacation and didn't bring my laptop for fear I'd be glued to it and not have an ounce of fun or rest while away. Now I'm reading all the stuff I missed.

In the 2nd thread, regarding the alleged accomplices, you said, "In the end, it will be shown that the rumor (Neptune in House 3) was a lie and there was no accomplice." This is exactly what I've been thinking all along. I just couldn't image anyone else taking part in such a horrific crime. Not one of Casey's ex-friends, nor any of her family, seem to be the type who would help off a little girl or help Casey hide the body. Although Casey's mother does seem the type to lie through her teeth to salvage the illusion of a happy family while protecting her daughter in spite of what's happened to Caylee.:rolleyes:

Since I've been away for a few weeks, my brain is a bit rusty. Has anyone done a chart to see if poor Caylee's death was accidental or pre-meditated? I can't recall, and it's something I'd love to know how to do, as well as I'd love to know the answer. I have my own thoughts about it but my thoughts aren't facts, so I'm curious what astrology has to say. Since we aren't positive about the time of death, although we do have a good idea or two, I'm assuming horary would be the method to use, right?

I haven't spent time studying forensic or horary astrology, something I really want to learn.

Thanks a bunch, Soulscape.

Alexa

magic-cat
10-30-2008, 02:25 AM
Wow! That was terrific Soulscape. I'm just catching up on all the posts. I've been on vacation and didn't bring my laptop for fear I'd be glued to it and not have an ounce of fun or rest while away. Now I'm reading all the stuff I missed.

In the 2nd thread, regarding the alleged accomplices, you said, "In the end, it will be shown that the rumor (Neptune in House 3) was a lie and there was no accomplice." This is exactly what I've been thinking all along. I just couldn't image anyone else taking part in such a horrific crime. Not one of Casey's ex-friends, nor any of her family, seem to be the type who would help off a little girl or help Casey hide the body. Although Casey's mother does seem the type to lie through her teeth to salvage the illusion of a happy family while protecting her daughter in spite of what's happened to Caylee.:rolleyes:

Since I've been away for a few weeks, my brain is a bit rusty. Has anyone done a chart to see if poor Caylee's death was accidental or pre-meditated? I can't recall, and it's something I'd love to know how to do, as well as I'd love to know the answer. I have my own thoughts about it but my thoughts aren't facts, so I'm curious what astrology has to say. Since we aren't positive about the time of death, although we do have a good idea or two, I'm assuming horary would be the method to use, right?

I haven't spent time studying forensic or horary astrology, something I really want to learn.

Thanks a bunch, Soulscape.

Alexa

There was a chart done concerning the time frame preceding Caylee's disappearance and it was quite eye opening...from what the stars held during that time in Casey's chart, she had it in her mind to free herself in one way or another. I am not sure if it was in this or the last parts of the #2 thread...But there was something done is all I am saying and you should be able to hunt it up pretty easily.

:blowkiss:

Zoe Bogart
10-30-2008, 02:44 AM
Originally Posted by Dolce171
The one thing that continually bothers me is that George was the one that stood over the trunk when it was originally opened. I have smelt death from a distance and can only imagine the horrible stench that must have come from the vehicle as George opened it. As a former member of LE - he would be all too familiar with what death smelt like.

At that very moment - George knew!

He drove that car home..... how???? I will never be able to comprehend ????

His denial of Caylee's death puzzled me - but I tried to resolve within myself that I have never grieved over the loss of the child and he must be working his way through the grieving process.


I think this is what has bothered me about the grandparents' denial. As a parent who HAS suffered the death of a child, I remember how frustrating it was for me when everyone else was in denial, looking at the situation optimistically. When my child was diagnosed with a terminal disease, it seemed I was the only one who knew he wouldn't be with us much longer. Everyone else, and I mean every family member and friend, couldn't and wouldn't face reality. I had no support from them because they couldn't handle it!!!! Jeez.

So with Cindy and George, I find it difficult to believe they have no clue, no instincts that Caylee is gone and was killed at the hands of Casey. That kind of instinct is so profound I just can't believe they truly believe otherwise.

Zoe Bogart
10-30-2008, 03:25 AM
Even though the defense would be super foolish to call the accused to the stand in light of her incredibility, she has absented herself from a series of appointments with the court where she could have chosen to appear. Lately, her position in hiding has been symbolised by planets, notably Mars, in the Hidden House, 12. Prior to this period, she was Mars or other planets in Libra.

It is not good protocol to avoid the humiliation of the bond hearing by refusing to come before Judge Strickland with a vocal plea in later proceedings. Looks like skulking in a guilty corner or a shrew going to ground. One of our Constitutional guarantees is the right to face our accuser and there are more than the obvious reasons for that.

Juries and the public make assumptions, despite instructions, when the accused fails to testify in his or her own behalf. Likewise, concealing oneself from the court and the prosecution raises suspicion. What is to be made of a prisoner who has so little faith in the rightness of her position that she will not willingly show her face! It is a failure that tarnishes the lustre of a bold defense.

You are very correct. Why isn't the accused standing up for herself? What has she to hide? Is she afraid she'll give herself away? Afraid she'll appear guilty? etc.

How guilty did Casey appear when she didn't attend the vigils for her daughter held in her own driveway? How could we believe Caylee is alive when Casey didn't bother to make the appearance of believing it herself?

Yes, we have the right not to incriminate ourselves by keeping quiet, but by keeping quiet, we can appear all the more guilty to others looking on.

Obviously, Baez doesn't understand human nature or he would have had Casey appear once or twice in her conservative suit, hair neatly combed into a conservative style, looking a touch anxious at not knowing the whereabouts of her "missing" daughter.:waitasec:

FifthEssence
10-30-2008, 10:29 AM
QUOTE: AKSLEUTH
You are very correct. Why isn't the accused standing up for herself? What has she to hide? Is she afraid she'll give herself away? Afraid she'll appear guilty? etc.

How guilty did Casey appear when she didn't attend the vigils for her daughter held in her own driveway? How could we believe Caylee is alive when Casey didn't bother to make the appearance of believing it herself?

Yes, we have the right not to incriminate ourselves by keeping quiet, but by keeping quiet, we can appear all the more guilty to others looking on.

Obviously, Baez doesn't understand human nature or he would have had Casey appear once or twice in her conservative suit, hair neatly combed into a conservative style, looking a touch anxious at not knowing the whereabouts of her "missing" daughter.:waitasec:[/QUOTE]



AKSLEUTH- YOU have experienced the most sorrowful loss and pain a Mother would have to live through. I can't even imagine the weight of such a loss and am so very sorry to hear about this Aksleuth. You have every right to question the actions and demeanor of Casey.
She is A SHELL of a HUMAN BEING and operating on the lowest plane on Earth. There is no comparison spiritually, so it's likely that no matter how much we try to understand and figure that 'creature' out, we will be left with our heads shaking.

It is Caylee who is so worthy of all the attention and energy...something the A's don't seem to grasp to date.

Tuba
10-30-2008, 11:40 AM
Again in re: the next court date, the pre-trial meeting. The fact that all of the planets lie on the eastern half of the horoscope is interesting. The half that is vacant represents unseen, underlying elements of the case. That is, unseen at this time. The full hemisphere is what is out there or manifest, except for the rising Pluto of hidden knowledge. Casey harbors those secrets, of course, and she is ruled by Mars and Pluto. On 26 November, Pluto enters Capricorn.

The bowl formation is delimited by the end planets, Saturn opposite Uranus. Uranus breaks the law and Saturn rules all of the thievery in the crimes charged, House 2. The Moon shown there is erratic and makes changes without notice. We know the hearing is affected by an unplanned event. I am worried about the well being of one of the lawyers working this case and commuting or traveling to the hearing.

The part of fortune is 5:50 Pisces and in that Sign, it is the part of misfortune. This is a statement about the hearing itself. It is financially unfortunate for the county & the state to need to prosecute a crime where the culpability is conspicuous. The Moon is applying to the square and parallel of the Sun, so she is drawn into the misfortunes by the close of the day.

princess
10-30-2008, 12:11 PM
I read some of the "tips" and wonder if any of our astrologers here has had a chance to look them over. The one in particular that I am looking at is the one from a "so-called" astrologer who implicates Amy and Tony in numerous ways, and that the drug may have been heroine instead of chloroform, and that Caylee was being used to "transport" drugs and died because of it...This sounds completely off base with everything that we have discussed here, and I wondered if anyone in our forum could understand how the writer came up with those conclusions...just a wonder...Thanks guys-

Sounds like one of the Cindy A. tips since she has accused them of similar behaviors.
The state has impilcated her in generating the majority of the tips anyway.

john's mom
10-30-2008, 12:23 PM
Again in re: the next court date, the pre-trial this case and commuting or traveling to the hearing.
The part of fortune is 5:50 Pisces and in that Sign, it is the part of misfortune. This is a statement about the hearing itself. It is financially unfortunate for the county & the state to need to prosecute a crime where the culpability is conspicuous. The Moon is applying to the square and parallel of the Sun, so she is drawn into the misfortunes by the close of the day.

Could this mean there will be change of venue requested at the pre trial?
That would be expensive and require travel.

Or am I way off base?

Soulscape
10-30-2008, 02:12 PM
Could this mean there will be change of venue requested at the pre trial?
That would be expensive and require travel.

Or am I way off base?

Hi John'smom,

Tuba is discussing the pre-trial for the financial charges --- stealing checks from Amy, uttering a forged instrument, etc.

I don't think defense will request a change of venue for this upcoming (November 17) trial.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
10-30-2008, 03:05 PM
I was wondering if the male figure menaced by the affliction could also be her grandfather as it was the funds stowed away to pay for his care that was also stolen. Then again, George has also been victimized financially by Casey as well.

The male figure of Grand Da's age is symbolised by Uranus and that planet is under opposition from Saturn in the pre-trial chart. Your worry is well founded. He must be demoralised if the family has told him Caylee is gone. He had such an affectionate visit with her and he was one of the last people to see her.

In terms of your comment, it was his generous gift to Casey that was converted into a means to siphon from his bank account. What low and twisted conniving. That treachery left a wound.

Dolce171
10-30-2008, 03:24 PM
I think this is what has bothered me about the grandparents' denial. As a parent who HAS suffered the death of a child, I remember how frustrating it was for me when everyone else was in denial, looking at the situation optimistically. When my child was diagnosed with a terminal disease, it seemed I was the only one who knew he wouldn't be with us much longer. Everyone else, and I mean every family member and friend, couldn't and wouldn't face reality. I had no support from them because they couldn't handle it!!!! Jeez.

So with Cindy and George, I find it difficult to believe they have no clue, no instincts that Caylee is gone and was killed at the hands of Casey. That kind of instinct is so profound I just can't believe they truly believe otherwise.

Aksleuth - I know I will never find the proper words to express my sadness over you loss.....so I will not even begin to try. Thank you for being so open and vulnerable before us all.

With deepest sympathy and love,
Yvette :hug:

LetJusticePrevail
10-30-2008, 07:14 PM
Respectfully snipped!

Tuba, does this mean she will not be given jail time? When you say aside...wasn't sure if you meant in addition to or as an alternative. Sorry - thanks!

[QUOTE=Tuba;2881205]
Aside from serving time (Moon square Mars), there will be an opportunity for restitution due to these aspects, which denote the need to repay the stolen funds.

Tuba
10-30-2008, 07:47 PM
I meant that she will be found guilty and sentenced to time inside but that apart from that ......

Just uploaded the horoscope for the $70 order KC placed today in jail, in honor of Kaitland who has not returned from her visit. We like to examine the point of view from the defendant. The chart is at http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt

Zoe Bogart
10-30-2008, 08:37 PM
Tuba, this is the direct link to the chart you just posted.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/CommisaryOrderOct30005.jpg

The link you posted is to the entire Photobucket account. To eliminate confusion, I've posted the direct link. You can find it below the image labeled "Direct link". Just copy and paste it, and viola, direct link to the image.


Thanks to all who voiced condolences on the death of my son. Just before Christmas, it will be 12 years. While his loss isn't as numbing as it was in the beginning, there are days when I'm enormously saddened, then there are days when it seems like he could walk in at any moment. Believe me, I haven't let the memories of my child die, I chatter about him all the time. :)

Recovering-Lurker
10-30-2008, 08:39 PM
Fellow Astrological researchers, I haven't forgotten you. I have been laid very low with "adult croup", and am slowly recovering, but exhausted from all the unproductive coughing.

Carry on, and when I am back to myself, I will chime in again.

Please feel better soon Housemouse. :blowkiss: We all miss you.

magic-cat
10-30-2008, 11:14 PM
Tuba, this is the direct link to the chart you just posted.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/CommisaryOrderOct30005.jpg

The link you posted is to the entire Photobucket account. To eliminate confusion, I've posted the direct link. You can find it below the image labeled "Direct link". Just copy and paste it, and viola, direct link to the image.


Thanks to all who voiced condolences on the death of my son. Just before Christmas, it will be 12 years. While his loss isn't as numbing as it was in the beginning, there are days when I'm enormously saddened, then there are days when it seems like he could walk in at any moment. Believe me, I haven't let the memories of my child die, I chatter about him all the time. :)

I know that words sound so hollow and empty in a situation as great as the loss that you have suffered, but they are the only means that I have to convey my deepest sympathies to you. You must be an extraordinary person and I am pleased to have encountered you here. I am so sorry that you have had to endure and will continue to endure such a tremendous loss.
Christine

housemouse
10-30-2008, 11:32 PM
Please feel better soon Housemouse. :blowkiss: We all miss you.

I miss all of you too! I now have a major rib problem from my cough. Probably damaged it or the cartilage. What a royal pain it is, first I couldn't sleep cause of the cough, and now can't sleep because of the rib pain.

Must be that nasty Saturn/Uranus opposition. But, it will pass, i am sure.

For the rest of the astrological info, please remember I do not do personal/psychological astrology. I am more interested in event-mundane astrology, and therefore do not have much to say about interpreting the personal charts of others involved in this horrendous case.

All I can say to those of you interested in astrology as it pertains to the family of Caylee, be very careful. Do not accept the notions of psycho-analytical astrologers, for while they are expressing their opinions, they are not always right in their judgements.

I started these threads to pinpoint the probable times of when the event could have taken place. Others have given you the best of their judgements of motives and personalities. Do not accept anything an astrologer says as the gospel truth, for we do not really know.

We just see through a glass darkly, and we are not given any special knowledge, just because we study the language of astrology. We can misinterpret it, according to our own biases, predilections, and opinions.

sweetwater
10-31-2008, 12:01 AM
Fellow Astrological researchers, I haven't forgotten you. I have been laid very low with "adult croup", and am slowly recovering, but exhausted from all the unproductive coughing.

Carry on, and when I am back to myself, I will chime in again.

Dear Housmouse-
I have missed your extraordinary insight and kindness. I've thought about you often and am sorry to hear you have been so sick.
Please take good care.:blowkiss:

KAITLAND
10-31-2008, 12:22 PM
Hi everyone - back from visit to beautiful Michigan to see DD and GS...wonderful time had by all. Can't believe how much I have to catch up on! Need to go back and read soooo many posts. Did manage to catch NG a few times.. Of interest today was a website I found under WS Daily Update 10/31 (Murtwitness Ustream)......not familiar with this guy at all...but they are doing extremely detailed timeline of phone calls/texts etc for June 16th...going to further narrow time the actual time of death (how it hurts to write that down), so ya'll might want to take a look at that.
I am having some concerns about the newest report of physical contact between JB and KC....very very inappropriate....think he will end up getting his hand smacked by higher ups. And this feeds fuel to the fire from earlier complaints (by public) about him seeming to be "too familiar" and many tasteless jokes about what KC was doing 6 hrs a day at his office.
Now - off to catch up and read all the old posts!

LetJusticePrevail
10-31-2008, 02:10 PM
i meant that she will be found guilty and sentenced to time inside but that apart from that ......

Just uploaded the horoscope for the $70 order kc placed today in jail, in honor of kaitland who has not returned from her visit. We like to examine the point of view from the defendant. The chart is at http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/causticsalt



thanks tuba!

LetJusticePrevail
10-31-2008, 02:15 PM
Hi Kaitland, is there an actual timeline document on the site - I only saw videos and user chat. Would you direct me to it - I'd love to take a look at the timeline.

And on the Baez thing...I hope someone at a higher level will mandate he step down as her attorney. Otherwise, I think it's gonna be an open/close case for KC to get a new trial. KC will claim ineffective council...not only on the fact he's a dork but that "he wasn't representing me/he wanted to date me...even the guards witnessed it...not that I'd need them to tell you that...I've had this problem all my life...everyone wants me-KC mentality.


Hi everyone - back from visit to beautiful Michigan to see DD and GS...wonderful time had by all. Can't believe how much I have to catch up on! Need to go back and read soooo many posts. Did manage to catch NG a few times.. Of interest today was a website I found under WS Daily Update 10/31 (Murtwitness Ustream)......not familiar with this guy at all...but they are doing extremely detailed timeline of phone calls/texts etc for June 16th...going to further narrow time the actual time of death (how it hurts to write that down), so ya'll might want to take a look at that.
I am having some concerns about the newest report of physical contact between JB and KC....very very inappropriate....think he will end up getting his hand smacked by higher ups. And this feeds fuel to the fire from earlier complaints (by public) about him seeming to be "too familiar" and many tasteless jokes about what KC was doing 6 hrs a day at his office.
Now - off to catch up and read all the old posts!

zoey
10-31-2008, 02:18 PM
Hi Kaitland, is there an actual timeline document on the site - I only saw videos and user chat. Would you direct me to it - I'd love to take a look at the timeline.

And on the Baez thing...I hope someone at a higher level will mandate he step down as her attorney. Otherwise, I think it's gonna be an open/close case for KC to get a new trial. KC will claim ineffective council...not only on the fact he's a dork but that "he wasn't representing me/he wanted to date me...even the guards witnessed it...not that I'd need them to tell you that...I've had this problem all my life...everyone wants me-KC mentality.


you mean Casey might actually speak?????? That alone might make it news worhthy!

Sparky
10-31-2008, 05:24 PM
Tuba,

I had to go to Walmart today close to the airport and look what I found. The yellow flowers and pine trees are everywhere.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/jrlgogators/100_4830.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/jrlgogators/100_4832.jpg

Dolce171
10-31-2008, 05:51 PM
Heavens ... these photos send chills right up my spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theonly1
10-31-2008, 06:04 PM
Tuba,

I had to go to Walmart today close to the airport and look what I found. The yellow flowers and pine trees are everywhere.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/jrlgogators/100_4830.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/jrlgogators/100_4832.jpg

That's what a lot of the areas look like. I think some of that flora is sawgrass. I'm still not sure what the yellow flowers are called. They *are* everywhere.

Sparky
10-31-2008, 06:30 PM
That's what a lot of the areas look like. I think some of that flora is sawgrass. I'm still not sure what the yellow flowers are called. They *are* everywhere.


Yes, they are "everywhere". They are across the street, they out behind the buildings. I mean everywhere. lol I can't even tell you how shocked I was when I saw them and what Tuba said about Pines and yellow flowers.

Tuba
10-31-2008, 06:39 PM
Yes, they are "everywhere". They are across the street, they out behind the buildings. I mean everywhere. lol I can't even tell you how shocked I was when I saw them and what Tuba said about Pines and yellow flowers.

Thank you, Sparky. It's good to see the real thing. I am getting shivvers too--is it partly the cloudy sky or is it the resemblance to the "grave"?

Pink Panther
10-31-2008, 06:46 PM
Tuba - If the boards are any indication, everything is quiet at the moment. At least to us, if you're willing to set aside Baez's hugs...Can you give us an indication of when we can expect additional information to be released? Is there any way that you can look at that based on the dates that the last two major information releases have occured?

Tuba
10-31-2008, 07:56 PM
I agree, news is slow right now. I did examine the coming November days and what I see favors action, like the TES and the pre-trial hearing. The Sun in Scorpio, Jupiter in Capricorn, Saturn in Virgo, Uranus in Pisces are very well aligned to produce happenings and acts. Mars is part of that line-up today.

Away from the glare of public spotlight, investigation of physical evidence is being conducted by the defense. LE and prosecutors continue to probe case materials and gather more. Unending detective work is a signature of Mercury in Scorpio. Further spills of information under this influence would be premature.

Pink Panther
10-31-2008, 07:59 PM
I agree, news is slow right now. I did examine the coming November days and what I see favors action, like the TES and the pre-trial hearing. The Sun in Scorpio, Jupiter in Capricorn, Saturn in Virgo, Uranus in Pisces are very well aligned to produce happenings and acts. Mars is part of that line-up today.

Away from the glare of public spotlight, investigation of physical evidence is being conducted by the defense. LE and prosecutors continue to probe case materials and gather more. Unending detective work is a signature of Mercury in Scorpio. Further spills of information under this influence would be premature.
So...Everyone is busy Tuba?!!! I hope so. I also hope that we hear something about it soon. Thanks for answering. :)

KAITLAND
10-31-2008, 08:17 PM
Hi Kaitland, is there an actual timeline document on the site - I only saw videos and user chat. Would you direct me to it - I'd love to take a look at the timeline.

And on the Baez thing...I hope someone at a higher level will mandate he step down as her attorney. Otherwise, I think it's gonna be an open/close case for KC to get a new trial. KC will claim ineffective council...not only on the fact he's a dork but that "he wasn't representing me/he wanted to date me...even the guards witnessed it...not that I'd need them to tell you that...I've had this problem all my life...everyone wants me-KC mentality.

The website is www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live ...some interesting stuff on there. I am hopeful we will get a closer time line than ever.

KAITLAND
10-31-2008, 08:23 PM
I agree, news is slow right now. I did examine the coming November days and what I see favors action, like the TES and the pre-trial hearing. The Sun in Scorpio, Jupiter in Capricorn, Saturn in Virgo, Uranus in Pisces are very well aligned to produce happenings and acts. Mars is part of that line-up today.

Away from the glare of public spotlight, investigation of physical evidence is being conducted by the defense. LE and prosecutors continue to probe case materials and gather more. Unending detective work is a signature of Mercury in Scorpio. Further spills of information under this influence would be premature.

Tuba - I am also awaiting Neptune's return to direct motion, hoping this will bring about some clearing of the fog, and allow a strong Scorpio mercury to plumb the depths. A sigh of relief to the culmination of the saturn-uranus opposition.

Pink Panther
10-31-2008, 08:26 PM
Tuba - I am also awaiting Neptune's return to direct motion, hoping this will bring about some clearing of the fog, and allow a strong Scorpio mercury to plumb the depths. A sigh of relief to the culmination of the saturn-uranus opposition.
Ah. And when might that happen for those of us not yet indoctrinated? :)

KAITLAND
10-31-2008, 09:00 PM
NEptune goes direct on Nov 1st, and the saturn-uranus opposition reaches its peak on Nov 4 along with Mercury entering Scorpio.

Just heard that JB will be investigated by the bar for repeated breaking rules by hugging KC. With his sun in affable libra in nice sextile to moon in leo he is a genuinely warm, affectionate person. But harsh square between neptune/venus (there's that fog again!) in scorpio to that leo moon shows propensity for indiscretion. Natal saturn (authority) opposite his sun will make him toe the line. Transiting saturn in virgo is all over his mars, pluto, and jupiter - hence got caught with hand in cookie jar. Every move he makes will be judged (harshly, especially by the public) and he will have to keep on the straight and narrow every single moment. Bar Assn. will probably issue a letter. Don't see him off the case.

gardenhart
10-31-2008, 09:41 PM
Tuba,

I had to go to Walmart today close to the airport and look what I found. The yellow flowers and pine trees are everywhere.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/jrlgogators/100_4830.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/jrlgogators/100_4832.jpg


It's hard to tell at this distance, but that looks like goldenrod. That blooms here in the fall, not anytime during the summer.

Tuba
10-31-2008, 09:46 PM
Thank you for that identification, gardenhart.:thumb:

Tuba
11-01-2008, 01:37 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/DiscoveryofDeath006.jpg

http://1481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt

The first link is the chart I use for the Discovery of Death and the second link is the album of charts dedicated to this case.

gardenhart
11-01-2008, 02:10 PM
Thank you for that identification, gardenhart.:thumb:

Sorry, I forgot my location isn't on my posts. I'm in Virginia, zone 6 so probably two zones colder than Florida. Goldenrod is a pretty common wildflower/weed all over the US.

There's a distribution map here, you can see it's present all over the US and Canada.

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=SOLID

Tuba
11-01-2008, 02:13 PM
:eek:Under the chart at the above link is some interpretation of the horoscope. The Part of Fatality, marked (F) is 26:07 Scorpio square Neptune in Aquarius at 26:08, Neptune representing the chloroform poison in the air of Aquarius. Another part commonly used, the Part of Death, is found in the House of the Child at 29:09 Capricorn, marked (D).

Mars rules the H. of Death and is conjunct and at the same degree as the mean node of the Moon, south. Caylee's natal ASC is on the Cusp of Sorrows & Something to Weep Over. Her heart action is arrested (Leo of the Heart). Inside that House are planets that denote hidden horrors (usually referred to as 'skeletons in the closet' by astrologers). The Moon is square that Saturn of stoppage: Virgo health of constitution relinquishes life. Moon in H. 3 is our breathing, particularly in II or Sagittarius and it has stopped. It is a Moon Day, so we have to pay careful att'n to the Moon.

It is the Hour of Venus (uses standard time) and as has been much discussed, Venus and the Sun are tragically afflicted by Uranus and Pluto. On June 13, Casey slept over for the first time at AL's and that was 3° before the solar position here. It marks the beginning of the Uranus, shocking habit (ruling House 6) of drugging with chloroform, when the Sun-Uranus square was exact.

Ascendant Significator Casey is found at 13II17 on the north node of the planet Uranus as she tries to plot her way out of the predicament in flagrante delicto. She is making an effort at inventive solutions. The Sun, however, rules the House of Disastrous Consequences & Self Undoing, and he is found blazing away in the most prominent angle of any chart, the 10th House. What is covered will be uncovered.

The Sun opposes the very notion of hidden knowledge, knowledge withheld, Pluto at 29:56 Sagittarius. Sagittarius always examines our values. I value my child; she is missing; but I will not speak about it? Within a month Casey is arrested.

waltzingmatilda
11-01-2008, 03:28 PM
Tuba, I love viewing your charts. I've started studying astrology again after putting it on the back burner 10 years ago due to my christian upbringing. I'm at peace with it now thanks to our dear Housemouse and her gentle explanation. I'm grateful to all who post charts here as it is time consuming. Am looking forward to one day being able to contribute and at the very least ask intelligent questions.:)

Tuba
11-01-2008, 04:25 PM
I'm glad you can take them in. I'm now looking a chart I cast for the Tx EquuSearch to begin on 8 Nov. The ASC is the same as the ASC for Casey's initial arrest. One of the searchers is like Diana the Huntress (or Artemis). She is like the point woman or lead for a group that includes several women. An important find before the close of daylight, when Moon meets Uranus. Fortuna is square Pluto, however, not sure what they have happened upon. Part of Find is 6:02 Pisces trine Mercury at 6:17 Scorpio. That Mercury is a friend of the group & a part of the group in that sense and quite young! "...and a little child shall lead them."

Thanks for taking the time to review the possibilities.

Tuba
11-01-2008, 05:55 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/TXEquuSearchNov8007.jpg

This is the coming all in search one week from today. The ASC is the same, 2° Sagittarius, as the ASC for Casey's initial arrest. Both Uranus and Neptune are in equidistant parallel to the House 4 Cusp. Spiritual guidance is shown by these outer planets controlling the outcome.

The Moon is separating from the parallel to Uranus & the contraparallel to Saturn. (Sorry about the ink blot on Uranus). This has more to do with who searches where and some changes in that.

Lake Erie Princess
11-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Tuba
My mind is just not "getting" this today.
Will she be found by the searchers ?
Define for a victim of a milld stroke.....:blowkiss:

Tuba
11-01-2008, 07:06 PM
How we wish Caylee was laid to rest in a sealed casket in a properly dug grave marked with a proper memorial or at least a cross. Unfortunately, it wasn't that way. What I believe TES will come upon is something more like a remnant of her "burial" but it will provide needed information and a realization of what to do next.

MiraclesHappen
11-01-2008, 08:35 PM
I don't know if this matters or not but I am posting this just in case it does help. I love this thread.
Anyway, there is an article I put in today's daily updates and the article tells the date AND time Leonard Padilla's plane will touch down as he arrives to rejoin with TES in Orlando.:blowkiss:


http://leonardpadilla.net/current_news

Soulscape
11-01-2008, 09:10 PM
I have examined the TES Resumes Search chart from a slightly different (but I believe compatible) perspective than Tuba, and am guardedly optimistic.


As Tuba did, I have cast the chart for 8:00 am, Saturday November 8, 2008, using the coordinates of Orlando Florida. I am looking at the chart in the Regiomontanus House system (I believe Tuba used Placidus).



You can view the chart here:


http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/TESResumesSearch110808.gif

02:01 Sagittarius rises, making Jupiter chart ruler. Using the Regiomontanus house system, Sagittarius also owns the 2nd House cusp, which is both the House of Near Future and the natural house looked at to locate lost items. Because TES initiated the action, Jupiter symbolizes TES and the search & rescue team. The 4th House End of the Matter is Pisces, also ruled by Jupiter (using traditional rulers). This tells me TES (1st House), the Near Future/ Lost Items (2nd House) and the End of the Matter (4th House) are all connected because they all are ruled by Jupiter. So whether success is portended depends greatly on Jupiter’s condition, position and aspects.


Unfortunately, as Tuba has already told us, all that could be reasonably expected to be found at this point, 20 long weeks after probable death, are “parts and pieces” and bones….


Before I go further, please be reminded that our precious angel Caylee, in essence and spirit, is with the Heavenly Father where nothing and no one can ever harm her again. She is perfectly safe and protected within the loving arms of the angels. What is left here on earth is simply “the packaging,” the earthly vehicle which housed the soul during its short sojourn on this planet….



But packaging or not, we, as well as TES, are single-mindedly committed to recovery of our beloved, innocent angel, to give her proper respect and burial, and bring closure and healing to our wounded hearts and souls…


Now back to the analysis:


“Parts and pieces” are ruled by Mars, which owns the 5th House of the Child and the 12th House of Hidden Circumstances in the chart. The 12th house of the chart is also the 8th House of Death of the Child (8th from the 5th), so it reconfirms the child (5th house) is dead (ruler of the 1st in the 8th). Bones are ruled by Saturn, which owns the intercepted 2nd House of Near Future/Lost Items and the 3rd House of the Near Neighborhood (Saturn is the traditional ruler of Aquarius). Notice Jupiter (TES) is intercepted in Capricorn and trine Saturn (bones) located in Virgo in the 10th House (what is visible to the public eye). This suggests that TES (Jupiter) will find the hiding place (interception in the 2nd house of Lost Items) and recover the bones (Saturn in 10th House of Public Eye). The bones will be found “in the near neighborhood” because Saturn (bones) rules the 3rd House of Near Neighborhood. Jupiter (TES) closely sextiles Uranus 51 minutes applying. Uranus is the modern ruler of the 3rd House of Near Neighborhood, so the opportunity (sextile) for TES (Jupiter) to make a startling and perhaps unexpected (Uranus) discovery is surely there (Jupiter sextile Uranus).



Another reason I am guardedly optimistic is because Jupiter (TES) is closely applying trine (1 degee 16 minutes) to Saturn (bones), which again, is located in the 10th House of What Is Visible to the Public. Additionally both Lights (Sun and Moon) are in benefic applying sextile aspect to Jupiter (TES). All this support for Jupiter (TES) gives me hope.


While Mars (parts and pieces) is hidden away in the unfortunate 12th House, Sun does apply to conjunction in slightly less than 8 degrees. Might the search take 8 days?



The final reason I am guardedly optimistic is that The Part of Success in this chart (not shown) at 20:26 Virgo tightly conjuncts Saturn (bones) in the 10th House of the Public Eye. Saturn (bones) conjunct Part of Success trines both Jupiter (TES) and Uranus (sudden finds), another hopeful indicator that TES will have success.



Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-01-2008, 09:39 PM
I believe TES and LE may do follow up on 17 and 20 November, also. We will have Sun and then Mercury at 26° Scorpio and this degree opposes the Part of Death from the initial arrest chart. These will be productive days in this quest.
26° Scorpio is the Part of Fatality in the horoscope for the homicide posted above at#81.

Thank you, Miracles, for the LP time. We have done nothing on him and if we want to check his influence on the search, the arrival time will reveal that.

I have been looking at the photos of goldenrod from gardenhart and Sparky. The photo from Iowa and the photo from Wal Mart Orlando show a truly golden flower and the others are lemony yellow.

MiraclesHappen
11-01-2008, 09:47 PM
I believe TES and LE may do follow up on 17 and 20 November, also. We will have Sun and then Mercury at 26° Scorpio and this degree opposes the Part of Death from the initial arrest chart. These will be productive days in this quest.

Thank you, Miracles, for the LP time. We have done nothing on him and if we want to check his influence on the search, the arrival time will reveal that.

I have been looking at the photos of goldenrod from gardenhart and Sparky. The photo from Iowa and the photo from Wal Mart Orlando show a truly golden flower and the others are lemony yellow.


You are very welcome, Tuba.

I was getting nervous that I had cluttered the place with old news...kind of relieved.:)

LetJusticePrevail
11-01-2008, 09:49 PM
Tuba, you'd mentioned you believed TM and LE will do follow up on 17/20 - do you mean they'll resume their search on one of/both days?

Soulscape had included...might the search last 8 days. Very interesting if it did and resulted in Caylee being found (bones) as this brings us to 1 day prior to check fraud charges trial. Would be a terrible reminder to KC of what follows beyond being found guilty on those charges.

Soulscape
11-01-2008, 10:12 PM
Thank you, Miracles, for the LP time. We have done nothing on him and if we want to check his influence on the search, the arrival time will reveal that.



<<Respectfully snipped...>>

Have any of our excellent sleuths been able to track down LP's date and place of birth? It would be very interesting to check his natal chart...

Thanks,
Soulscape

technicalconfusion
11-01-2008, 11:02 PM
<<Respectfully snipped...>>

Have any of our excellent sleuths been able to track down LP's date and place of birth? It would be very interesting to check his natal chart...

Thanks,
Soulscape

How old does he look? If you go to http://leonardpadilla.net/

Leonard has been a Bounty Hunter for over 32 years:

* US Air Force 1957-1963
* Law Degree, Lincoln Law School, 1980
* President and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Lorenzo Patino Law School 1982-present.
* Bounty Hunter 1975-present.

Using the 1957 Air Force reference: figure he was 18 going in. Subtract 18 from 1957 and you have 1939. That would make him, by my estimates, 69 years old.

Also, anyone ever hear of a middle name or initial.

Lovejac
11-01-2008, 11:29 PM
How old does he look? If you go to http://leonardpadilla.net/

Leonard has been a Bounty Hunter for over 32 years:

* US Air Force 1957-1963
* Law Degree, Lincoln Law School, 1980
* President and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Lorenzo Patino Law School 1982-present.
* Bounty Hunter 1975-present.

Using the 1957 Air Force reference: figure he was 18 going in. Subtract 18 from 1957 and you have 1939. That would make him, by my estimates, 69 years old.

Also, anyone ever hear of a middle name or initial.

Okay guys! I went to his website listed above and sent him an email I will post below. Hopefully, he will answer!
Hello, Mr. Padilla,

First, let me thank you for all of your efforts to find Caylee, as the whole world is captivated by this lovely childs fate. I believe that you and your nephew, Tony, have a heart of gold and I respect and admire both of you tremendously.

I am a proud member of Websleuths.com, my screen name is Lovejac. We have conversed with your nephew on several ocassions during the course of this case and appreciate his time and insight.

Thank being said, I will get to the question I hope you will answer for me. We have a thread on Websleuths title, Astrological Info. We have several knowledable astrologers on our website that study Forensic Astrology. They do not tryito "predict" the future, rather they use specific times and dates and use them to see how the stars and planets were lined up during key dates and times. They have been "right on the money" with everything they have charted and, if you have the time or interest, it is very good reading.

Currently, our astrologers are working on charts for the much anticipated search with TES and yourself begininnig Nov. 8 to see how the planets and stars are lined up for hopefully success. It would be very beneficial for them if they know your date of birth and city and state you were born, as you are one of the 'key players' in this search effort.

I understand completely if you have reservations giving us that information, however, I want know if I don't ask!

Again, thank you for all you have done and continue to do. You are a true hero to alot of us at Websleuths!

God Bless,

Catherine ******
aka. Lovejac

Tuba
11-01-2008, 11:44 PM
That should work. Thanks for your effort. All I could find was his birth year, 1939 and his divorce from "Rose".

technicalconfusion
11-01-2008, 11:48 PM
Okay guys! I went to his website listed above and sent him an email I will post below. Hopefully, he will answer!
Hello, Mr. Padilla,


I was thinking about that. However, I'm a chicken. Thanks!

Lovejac
11-02-2008, 12:00 AM
That should work. Thanks for your effort. All I could find was his birth year, 1939 and his divorce from "Rose".


Geez, I feel like I need to contribute something to this thread since it is my very favorite and the reason I joined Websleuths!

I am sooooo interested in studying this and I will after the trial. Maybe then, I could contribute more. You guys are awesome!!!

Lovejac
11-02-2008, 12:02 AM
I was thinking about that. However, I'm a chicken. Thanks!

Haha, I am usually the chicken! I guess lack of sleep, coupled with sick kids, can make a women crazy!

Plus, several people have actually called him on the phone :eek:, now I would be way too chicken for that!

MommaD
11-02-2008, 12:50 AM
How old does he look? If you go to http://leonardpadilla.net/

Leonard has been a Bounty Hunter for over 32 years:

* US Air Force 1957-1963
* Law Degree, Lincoln Law School, 1980
* President and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Lorenzo Patino Law School 1982-present.
* Bounty Hunter 1975-present.

Using the 1957 Air Force reference: figure he was 18 going in. Subtract 18 from 1957 and you have 1939. That would make him, by my estimates, 69 years old.

Also, anyone ever hear of a middle name or initial.


Tech.... If I remember right leonard is his middle name.. I lost all my info on everyone when MY PUTER went poof about a month ago.. so have a new one with windows vista and its an experience for sure.. lol can't even remember where i found it but when he answers lovejac maybe he will say something about it.. i would never of thought that was his first name tho.. this is why I remember finding it.. prob why he goes by leonard.. lol he is a trip for sure.. but a great guy tho.. it would be interesting to sit down with him for a few hours and have a beer...

good luck to all and good health to HM and everyone...

MommaD

momtective
11-02-2008, 01:18 AM
J. Leonard Padilla..that's the best I could do and born 1939

http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/paca-paganelli.html

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?zip=95814&last=Padilla&first=J+Leonard

momtective
11-02-2008, 01:25 AM
More on LP

http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/06/06/ca/sac/vote/padilla_j/paper1.html

About Leonard Padilla

-Born in Firebaugh, California
-Attended Grammar School in Toulumne, CA
-Graduated High School in Tulelake, CA, 1957
-Served in United States Air Force from 1957-1963. Stationed in various cities across the United States as well as Germany, France, and Libya.
-Honorably Discharged from the United States Air Force Reserves in 1963, with the rank of Buck Sergeant.
-Relocated to Sacramento in 1963
-Small Buisness owner, 1963-1975
-Graduated from Lincoln Law School with a J.D., 1975-1980.
-California Certified Bounty Hunter 1975-Present
-Founding president of the Mexican Patriotic Committee, 1971
-Member of the founding committee of the Mexican-American Chamber of Commerce, 1973
-Raised 5 children and proud grandparent of 5 grandsons.


Hope it helps

cjm11
11-02-2008, 01:57 AM
I believe LP's BD might be 7/10/39.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=237906377

Laneymae
11-02-2008, 06:02 AM
How we wish Caylee was laid to rest in a sealed casket in a properly dug grave marked with a proper memorial or at least a cross. Unfortunately, it wasn't that way. What I believe TES will come upon is something more like a remnant of her "burial" but it will provide needed information and a realization of what to do next.

Ahhh Tuba ..., yes, I wish (and we all do) that Caylee was laid to rest in a sealed casket. (a little pink casket, with lots of pink flowers and her favorite stuffed animal, and maybe a book or two). Cindy would have been able to say goodbye and grieve appropriately. Casey deprived her of that.

I am praying that TES will find Caylee, and that she will be "all together", if you know what I mean.

I am reminded of the Laci Peterson case. When Laci's body was discovered (she was 8 1/2 months pregnant with Conner), her Mom, Sharon, never gave a thought to "how much of the body was found".

Sharon was told shortly after that only Laci's torso was found, no arms. It was one of the hardest things that Sharon had to deal with because she said, Laci never had the chance to hold Conner, even in her casket. Even in death, Laci was never able to hold her baby.

I am one of the old timers from the time of the Scott Peterson trial. Sharon Rocha had such grace when she lost her daughter. I guess I expected more from CA and GA, but because of this thread, I understand that it will take some time before CA can come to grips about what happened.

Again, Tuba, thank you again for all of your insight. :blowkiss:

Laney

Laneymae
11-02-2008, 06:15 AM
You are very welcome, Tuba.

I was getting nervous that I had cluttered the place with old news...kind of relieved.:)

I love this thread, too. This is the first thread I read when I log in.

BTW, I am glad you are here. I have no clue about astrology and have lots of questions. I think that every member that posts here is valued and appreciated.

This is an incredibly insightful thread, and I appreciate everyone who posts here.

Laney

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 07:04 AM
I believe LP's BD might be 7/10/39.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=237906377

Hi CJM,

Where did you find this possible 7/10/39 birth date? (I browsed through his myspace you so kindly posted but was not able to find a date of birth...)

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 07:06 AM
More on LP

http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/06/06/ca/sac/vote/padilla_j/paper1.html

About Leonard Padilla

-Born in Firebaugh, California
-Attended Grammar School in Toulumne, CA
-Graduated High School in Tulelake, CA, 1957
-Served in United States Air Force from 1957-1963. Stationed in various cities across the United States as well as Germany, France, and Libya.
-Honorably Discharged from the United States Air Force Reserves in 1963, with the rank of Buck Sergeant.
-Relocated to Sacramento in 1963
-Small Buisness owner, 1963-1975
-Graduated from Lincoln Law School with a J.D., 1975-1980.
-California Certified Bounty Hunter 1975-Present
-Founding president of the Mexican Patriotic Committee, 1971
-Member of the founding committee of the Mexican-American Chamber of Commerce, 1973
-Raised 5 children and proud grandparent of 5 grandsons.


Hope it helps

Nice work, Mom!

Now we have place of birth Firebaugh, California and possible 7/10/39 birthdate supplied by CJM. If LP responds to Lovejac's email and confirms, we'll be set!!

Thanks to all of you, you rock!!!

Soulscape

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 07:22 AM
Keep in mind, as I post this, we have NOT received verification that this is the correct birthdate! Hopefully LP will reply to Lovejac's email (maybe even today!!) and either confirm or supply the correct information.

However, I have cast the chart for 7/10/39, Firebaugh, CA which you can see here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/LeonardPadilla7-10-39.gif

If this is the correct birth data, Leonard has an almost perfect T-square, most impressive. I used an intuitive time of birth (the time on my computer clock as I entered the chart information) and got LEO RISING (seems appropriate, he sure likes his time in the limelight ---) with PLUTO conjunct Ascendant at 00 Leo closely opposite MARS conjunct Descendant at 2 Aquarius. This powerful opposition is squared by Saturn in House 10 (the career, what one is known for) at 00 Taurus. Quite a configuration for a Bounty Hunter.

Very powerful chart!

Thanks again to Lovejac for having the courage to email LP. I can hardly wait to see if he responds. --- Lovejac, if he does respond, could you email him back & pretty, pretty please with sugar on it ask for TIME OF BIRTH ??

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 07:45 AM
OK, since we're on a roll here, here's my next challenge to the fantastic sleuths on this thread:

Can anyone track down Tim Miller's birth data??

The progressions and transits to both Tim's and Leonard's charts could give significant information as to whether they'll be successful.

Thanks for all your help,
Soulscape

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 09:56 AM
Off topic, but I stumbled across a very interesting article this morning, containing summaries from highly knowledgeable astrologers regarding the upcoming presidential election, the economy and the January 20th inauguration. It's a fairly quick read and suitable for beginners and/or the astrologically curious.

See below link if you're interested...


http://www.astrodispatch.com/2008/11/01/election-astrology-2/

Thanks,
Soulscape

Lovejac
11-02-2008, 11:01 AM
Keep in mind, as I post this, we have NOT received verification that this is the correct birthdate! Hopefully LP will reply to Lovejac's email (maybe even today!!) and either confirm or supply the correct information.

However, I have cast the chart for 7/10/39, Firebaugh, CA which you can see here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/LeonardPadilla7-10-39.gif

If this is the correct birth data, Leonard has an almost perfect T-square, most impressive. I used an intuitive time of birth (the time on my computer clock as I entered the chart information) and got LEO RISING (seems appropriate, he sure likes his time in the limelight ---) with PLUTO conjunct Ascendant at 00 Leo closely opposite MARS conjunct Descendant at 2 Aquarius. This powerful opposition is squared by Saturn in House 10 (the career, what one is known for) at 00 Taurus. Quite a configuration for a Bounty Hunter.

Very powerful chart!

Thanks again to Lovejac for having the courage to email LP. I can hardly wait to see if he responds. --- Lovejac, if he does respond, could you email him back & pretty, pretty please with sugar on it ask for TIME OF BIRTH ??

Thanks,
Soulscape


Good morning, awesome astrologers! I just checked my email and nothing yet from LP, however it is Sunday and from what I hear he is a family man so I doubt he is in his office today! Probably hanging with his 5 grandsons (WOW :eek:)

I will check my email after we get back from grocery shopping!

MiraclesHappen
11-02-2008, 11:05 AM
http://*************.com/2005/12/11/happy-birthday-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch/





OK, since we're on a roll here, here's my next challenge to the fantastic sleuths on this thread:

Can anyone track down Tim Miller's birth data??

The progressions and transits to both Tim's and Leonard's charts could give significant information as to whether they'll be successful.

Thanks for all your help,
Soulscape



Thanks to all in this thread. I found this :birthday_party:Happy 59th Birthday!!! message to Tim, listed on 12-11- 2005. I did a search and found other posts which link this site so I am assuming it is not on the forbidden list. It is linked above.:blowkiss:

Hope this helps...

momtective
11-02-2008, 11:22 AM
Hi CJM,

Where did you find this possible 7/10/39 birth date? (I browsed through his myspace you so kindly posted but was not able to find a date of birth...)

Thanks,
Soulscape

Pg 9 of myspace comments...Happy Birthday wishes left on July 10
I'd say that's the date!

http://www.myspace.com/godfatherofbail

Tuba
11-02-2008, 12:05 PM
Thanks everybody for the good information & thank you Soulscape for mounting his horoscope. LP has made the most of his planetary array; his achievements are many. He is a most active participant in life & I don't think he has an inflated sense of his importance. He holds his own but is the rare guest on NG who is so relaxed it is contagious. Another feature of his character I appreciate is his will to share. He sees the value in even small details and facts, although I inspect his conclusions with care. The mtDNA - incest theory was absurd and offensive.

His friends at myspace complain that he is cut off when he tries to add information to the case and I agree, although I see he has gained respect during the progress of this prosecution & is now allowed some oxygen. One more Cancerian self-made man and NG, Scorpio that she is, should be grateful for his many contributions to her program.

cjm11
11-02-2008, 12:26 PM
Pg 9 of myspace comments...Happy Birthday wishes left on July 10
I'd say that's the date!

http://www.myspace.com/godfatherofbail

Thank you momtective. That's where I got the date. Sorry I didn't lead everyone there on my post. Of course, another WS member was right there to take up the slack! :blowkiss:

Tuba
11-02-2008, 02:12 PM
One feature of a horoscope that has been insufficiently explained is the Moon. In event charts and horaries, we look to her for Activity. She is the agent of Change. She is the final member of the planetary congregation to add impulse in timing. As I did stress in the action coming in December, Mars is an extremely important activator and he is needed to "make things happen." The Moon refines that.

In the chart for the all-in TES, the Moon is in the H. of outcome and she is about to join the sudden surprise Uranus. Uranus jolts you out of flat routine. And the Moon comes upon him as the day's search wraps up. He is electric & telepathic and dogs and horses alert to Uranus because they don't have so many layers of presumption blocking the input such as we humans do. In late afternoon, the animals should be given their head, even more than is normally granted them.

We need to pray for clement weather for the searches.

Tuba
11-02-2008, 05:29 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/TheftFraudTrial008.jpg

An appearance commanded in defense of criminal charges being tried on 17 November before Judge Stan Strickland at 9:30 a.m., Orlando. The favor of luck is with the Prosecution, in House 1. Both Venus and Jupiter lie in that House. There is a delay caused by Saturn and a complication due to Pluto but matters should go forward.

The Moon, or activity at hand, is in crisis. The Defendant is ruled by this Moon and is emotionally fraught. A prospective witness is CA, who was also a victim of theft but what are we to make of her testimony? CA's Venus is on the Part of Deceit & Trickery square her Moon, which sits on the cusp of the financial H. 2.

Part of Fortune is 29° Leo square Mars and in H. 8 which converts it into the Part of Misfortune, especially at the 29th degree. Therefore, the Defendant's half of the chart has no support. Mercury square Neptune not only insures that there is provable and known deception but leaves her Mercury-Sun att'y at a loss to refute the videos at the store and at the bank.

Pluto opposite the DSC is humiliating, mortifying really. But what can you truthfully expect when you reach your manicured claws into the assets of supposed dear ones and rake out everything that comes loose?

sharpar
11-02-2008, 05:48 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/TheftFraudTrial008.jpg

But what can you truthfully expect when you reach your manicured claws into the assets of supposed dear ones and rake out everything that comes loose?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Tuba - that statement is my nomination for sentence of the case -
it is elegant accurate and provokes images for me of pirates raiding
the treasure chest . I simply love it . My profession is in fiscal
auditing and I will never catch another thief without thinking
of this .

Tuba
11-02-2008, 06:11 PM
May all the thieves of your life have nice nails.

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 06:17 PM
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Tuba - that statement is my nomination for sentence of the case -
it is elegant accurate and provokes images for me of pirates raiding
the treasure chest . I simply love it . My profession is in fiscal
auditing and I will never catch another thief without thinking
of this .

Kudos, Tuba!! Surely you must be a writer in your other life!!

Tuba said: But what can you truthfully expect when you reach your manicured claws into the assets of supposed dear ones and rake out everything that comes loose?

Indeed!!!!

Thanks,
Soulscape

sharpar
11-02-2008, 06:33 PM
May all the thieves of your life have nice nails.


despicable lot - nothing nice about any of them

Pink Panther
11-02-2008, 06:39 PM
Tuba - I left a post to you on the "crosses" thread about her hands...Have a look!

Theonly1
11-02-2008, 07:04 PM
Tuba - I left a post to you on the "crosses" thread about her hands...Have a look!

Also see the pictures (owned by Rev. Grund, I believe) of Casey holding baby Caylee (with the Rottweiller in the background). Caylee was a tiny infant and Casey has these blood red claw hands. I thought it was not the kind of nails a young mother with an infant would normally have (long nails can scratch the baby).

T

magic-cat
11-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Thanks everybody for the good information & thank you Soulscape for mounting his horoscope. LP has made the most of his planetary array; his achievements are many. He is a most active participant in life & I don't think he has an inflated sense of his importance. He holds his own but is the rare guest on NG who is so relaxed it is contagious. Another feature of his character I appreciate is his will to share. He sees the value in even small details and facts, although I inspect his conclusions with care. The mtDNA - incest theory was absurd and offensive.

His friends at myspace complain that he is cut off when he tries to add information to the case and I agree, although I see he has gained respect during the progress of this prosecution & is now allowed some oxygen. One more Cancerian self-made man and NG, Scorpio that she is, should be grateful for his many contributions to her program.

Hey tuba! I wondered if you had seen the thread that someone started today-theony1 I believe about the reverse dna and how they use it when they do not have a known father. The process, simplified, is to remove all of the mothers known markers and what is left belongs with the father. Perhaps there were too many known markers and once they removed all of those from the equation they were left with an "incomplete" set of markers, so perhaps this is what they actually did do and how LP arrived at that conclusion? I know it does not show "abuse" in the charts for Casey, but if it was consenting and mutual then that would not show in the charts as "abuse" would it?

Anyhow, just thought I would throw it out there, how he MAY have arrived at that conclusion...:eek:

Tuba
11-02-2008, 10:10 PM
I did read the reverse DNA thread but it does not explain LP's statements. He made it clear his "analysis" was from the one hair in the trunk when its mitochondrial DNA was examined. So, whatever conclusions might be drawn from reverse analysis of a hair containing the root and DNA, those conclusions are not possible from the portion of a hair that he was talking about. There isn't any male component to the mtDNA.

Tuba
11-02-2008, 10:13 PM
Yes, the perversion would show in the chart. Both Kaitland and Soulscape made presentations on this subject.

Pondering Mind
11-02-2008, 10:15 PM
More on LP

http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/06/06/ca/sac/vote/padilla_j/paper1.html

About Leonard Padilla

-Born in Firebaugh, California
-Attended Grammar School in Toulumne, CA
-Graduated High School in Tulelake, CA, 1957
-Served in United States Air Force from 1957-1963. Stationed in various cities across the United States as well as Germany, France, and Libya.
-Honorably Discharged from the United States Air Force Reserves in 1963, with the rank of Buck Sergeant.
-Relocated to Sacramento in 1963
-Small Buisness owner, 1963-1975
-Graduated from Lincoln Law School with a J.D., 1975-1980.
-California Certified Bounty Hunter 1975-Present
-Founding president of the Mexican Patriotic Committee, 1971
-Member of the founding committee of the Mexican-American Chamber of Commerce, 1973
-Raised 5 children and proud grandparent of 5 grandsons.


Hope it helps

Sorry, I know that this is O/T for this thread, but I had never heard that LP is an attorney? Very Interesting!

magic-cat
11-02-2008, 10:15 PM
Yes, the perversion would show in the chart. Both Kaitland and Soulscape made presentations on this subject.

Gotcha! I was just relaying to you one way in which LP may have come up with his theory...

magic-cat
11-02-2008, 10:20 PM
I did read the reverse DNA thread but it does not explain LP's statements. He made it clear his "analysis" was from the one hair in the trunk when its mitochondrial DNA was examined. So, whatever conclusions might be drawn from reverse analysis of a hair containing the root and DNA, those conclusions are not possible from the portion of a hair that he was talking about. There isn't any male component to the mtDNA.

Yes, I realize that there would be no male DNA obtainable from the portion of the hair that they extracted the mitochondria from, but sometimes LP talks in circles, and on purpose I suspect, and crosses up one story with another. There was a root on the hair from which they could have extracted the male dna, but in order to achieve that they would have to destroy the death band and although in doing THAT they could have proven beyond any shadow of doubt that it was Caylee's hair for certain-I do not think they were willing to sacrifice the proof of the death band, especially when mitochondria would prove it was Caylee anyhow, since Casey, Lee, Cindy and Cindy's mother are all alive and this hair came from a corpse.

Soulscape
11-02-2008, 10:49 PM
Hey tuba! I wondered if you had seen the thread that someone started today-theony1 I believe about the reverse dna and how they use it when they do not have a known father. The process, simplified, is to remove all of the mothers known markers and what is left belongs with the father. Perhaps there were too many known markers and once they removed all of those from the equation they were left with an "incomplete" set of markers, so perhaps this is what they actually did do and how LP arrived at that conclusion? I know it does not show "abuse" in the charts for Casey, but if it was consenting and mutual then that would not show in the charts as "abuse" would it?

Anyhow, just thought I would throw it out there, how he MAY have arrived at that conclusion...:eek:


It is easy to see promiscuity in Casey's chart. She has Venus (Aries) and Mars (Sagittarius) both in fire signs, which are quick to start things (sexually). Mars conjunct Uranus acts impulsively and erratically and unpredictably. Venus in Aries is selfish and self-centered, out for the chase, the notch in the belt. Casey's Pluto, another sex marker in a horoscope, is in steamy Scorpio, the sign most associated with sex. Additionally, Casey's Mars/Uranus conjunction squares her Sun/Mercury conjunction, so she has a tendency to act (Mars) against (square) herself (Sun).

This promiscuity does not make her incestuous.

She likes exciting, bad boy types (Mars conjunct Uranus in Sagitarrius) and she's attracted (Venus) to masculine, take charge men (Venus in Aries). I can even see where she takes to LE types with the Mars/Uranus in Sag because Sagittarius is the sign of the Law. With her Pisces Sun, she might gravitate towards men who are dreamy, sensitive, artistic, or addicted.

Lee's and Casey's Suns are closely trine which makes them supportive of each other and both Mercurys in trine make them understanding of each other. These are great aspects to have between a brother and sister, but they are not sexual aspects, despite the fact they could enhance a relationship if the two parties were romantically involved.

From a sexual perspective, in a man's chart we look to Venus and the Moon to gain insight in what kind of woman he finds attractive.

Lee's Venus in Sagittarius is most attracted to honest, friendly, outdoorsy girls with ideals and ethics --- in fact, Venus in Sagittarius values ethics and honesty more than any other sign. Surely with his Scorpio Sun & Mercury, Lee was aware his sister was not, by any stretch of the imagination, honest and ethical... (By the way, Lee has no Neptune afflications in his chart fogging up his vision. That, combined with his strong Scorpio gives me the sense he could "see right through her...".)

With Lee's Moon very likely in serious, business-like Capricorn, Lee is attracted to practical, level-headed, hard working women who make something of themselves. With his serious Capricorn Moon, he would be sexually turned off by party girls like his sister.

Lee's Mars (action, sex) is also in Capricorn, a slow, steady, think before you act sign. This gives a man who is likely to look before he leaps (into bed).... and with Moon (feelings, habit patterns) also in practical, conservative Capricorn, he is even more likely to be discerning and picky about his women...

Just as I saw nothing in these two charts indicating incest, I see nothing in the chart synastry that suggests a mutual/ consensual sexual relationship between LA and KC.

Thanks,
Soulscape

magic-cat
11-02-2008, 10:56 PM
Very good...Just trying to look out for poor old LP-lot's of folks just hate him so bad...

If it is not there, it simply is not there.

Tuba
11-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Pondering Mind, Leonard and two partners also founded a private law school in Sacramento some years ago. I think he has accomplished a great deal and from what I see of him, he is modest about his achievements.

Pondering Mind
11-02-2008, 11:28 PM
Pondering Mind, Leonard and two partners also founded a private law school in Sacramento some years ago. I think he has accomplished a great deal and from what I see of him, he is modest about his achievements.

Impressive IMO, I like him and have from the beginning. I know the board is divided in their opinions of Leonard. The fact that he is obviously modest regarding his achievements make me admire him even more! Thanks so much for the info Tuba.

karenmamo
11-02-2008, 11:43 PM
Impressive IMO, I like him and have from the beginning. I know the board is divided in their opinions of Leonard. The fact that he is obviously modest regarding his achievements make me admire him even more! Thanks so much for the info Tuba.

Pondering: The board is not evenly divided. There are only nine how intensely dislike him.:blowkiss:

magic-cat
11-03-2008, 03:45 AM
Pondering: The board is not evenly divided. There are only nine how intensely dislike him.:blowkiss:

Got it down to the count ay? Now that's funny right there...:dance:

Tuba
11-03-2008, 10:48 PM
In times past, I wrote about a coming time of revelations when a column of planets file over the midpoint of Casey's Mercury/Mars Uranus at 8 Aquarius. The Sun, Mercury, the Lunar Node, Venus, Mars, Jupiter all transit this degree from February 7 to 20, but so does Medea. Refresh your impression of this mythical witch.

Also under my Sleuth Brand magnifying glass was the December Full Moon and the ff. 8 days when Casey endures her Mars return with Saturn squaring. The FM of course also trips off the natal square between her Mercury and her Mars-Uranus conjunction. But she was born with Mars conjunct Medea.

Recall that Cindy and Lee have Saturn and Neptune on her conjunction, respectively. I think I called this wham-mo Bad Day at Black Rock. Black Rock being Medea. She was subject to grand infatuations & would do anything under their sway. All too familiar, is it not? BTW, Medea also sacrificed her own brother.

curiositycat
11-03-2008, 11:35 PM
In times past, I wrote about a coming time of revelations when a column of planets file over the midpoint of Casey's Mercury/Mars Uranus at 8 Aquarius. The Sun, Mercury, the Lunar Node, Venus, Mars, Jupiter all transit this degree from February 7 to 20, but so does Medea. Refresh your impression of this mythical witch.

Also under my Sleuth Brand magnifying glass was the December Full Moon and the ff. 8 days when Casey endures her Mars return with Saturn squaring. The FM of course also trips off the natal square between her Mercury and her Mars-Uranus conjunction. But she was born with Mars conjunct Medea.

Recall that Cindy and Lee have Saturn and Neptune on her conjunction, respectively. I think I called this wham-mo Bad Day at Black Rock. Black Rock being Medea. She was subject to grand infatuations & would do anything under their sway. All too familiar, is it not? BTW, Medea also sacrificed her own brother.

Ouch.....poor Lee:eek: He had better watch out. LOL

Lovejac
11-03-2008, 11:55 PM
Still no e-mail from Leonard. I fear I waited too long to contact him as I am sure he is preparing for his trip to Or-lawn-do.

O/T, did anyone on this thread watch the video of cindy hugging that little girl at the vigil? It broke my heart. It is the first time I have seen cindy express sadness in public, and it was very raw and very real.

gardenhart
11-04-2008, 12:01 AM
Medea scattered the pieces of her brother's body after killing him to slow down pursuit of her and her lover/husband Jason. She later killed her two sons because Jason left her for another woman.

Lovejac
11-04-2008, 12:07 AM
Medea scattered the pieces of her brother's body after killing him to slow down pursuit of her and her lover/husband Jason. She later killed her two sons because Jason left her for another woman.

:eek::eek: Yikes! Maybe Lee should stay in hiding!

Tuba
11-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Still no e-mail from Leonard. I fear I waited too long to contact him as I am sure he is preparing for his trip to Or-lawn-do.

O/T, did anyone on this thread watch the video of cindy hugging that little girl at the vigil? It broke my heart. It is the first time I have seen cindy express sadness in public, and it was very raw and very real.

No but I just heard this from you and NG. I hope this release helps her. It is just unbearable to look at Caylee in her videos and many photos, isn't it? Makes me want to put my fist through the wall.

magic-cat
11-04-2008, 12:44 AM
Still no e-mail from Leonard. I fear I waited too long to contact him as I am sure he is preparing for his trip to Or-lawn-do.

O/T, did anyone on this thread watch the video of cindy hugging that little girl at the vigil? It broke my heart. It is the first time I have seen cindy express sadness in public, and it was very raw and very real.

Hey lovejac! Do you have a link for that? Hope your boys are well...:)

Lovejac
11-04-2008, 12:53 AM
Hey lovejac! Do you have a link for that? Hope your boys are well...:)


Hey magic cat! My house is on day 10 of a nasty throw -up bug that started with my oldest and hopefully, will be ending with my youngest within a couple of days! Not much sleep lately and all I smell is vomit!

deleted copy of my email

Lovejac
11-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Hey lovejac! Do you have a link for that? Hope your boys are well...:)

duh magic cat :bang: I told you I was sleep deprived!! I think you meant the link for the vigil! Sorry..... I found the link on the daily update thread!

FifthEssence
11-04-2008, 12:15 PM
In times past, I wrote about a coming time of revelations when a column of planets file over the midpoint of Casey's Mercury/Mars Uranus at 8 Aquarius. The Sun, Mercury, the Lunar Node, Venus, Mars, Jupiter all transit this degree from February 7 to 20, but so does Medea. Refresh your impression of this mythical witch.

Also under my Sleuth Brand magnifying glass was the December Full Moon and the ff. 8 days when Casey endures her Mars return with Saturn squaring. The FM of course also trips off the natal square between her Mercury and her Mars-Uranus conjunction. But she was born with Mars conjunct Medea.

Recall that Cindy and Lee have Saturn and Neptune on her conjunction, respectively. I think I called this wham-mo Bad Day at Black Rock. Black Rock being Medea. She was subject to grand infatuations & would do anything under their sway. All too familiar, is it not? BTW, Medea also sacrificed her own brother.

I recall you describing something like the 'piercing ray of light' in February after the January Eclispe and this alignment mentioned in February. When I think of 'Light', I think of the Truth.... in this case, only a little piece of the truth. A VERY far out scenario came to mind as I read your words. As discussed previously, a possible delay in the trial was noted; the evidence is mounting and her demise becomes more evident as time goes by. The sentencing in the fraud check cashing case tips her over the edge. And by then perhaps remnants of Caylee or her belongings will be located. The realization that she really IS going to be imprisoned for a LONG time forces her to 'appear' as though she has been broken and finally acknowledges Caylee's death resulting from an accident; a new story to alter the picture of her as a murderer (a manslaughter plea is sought-a lesser sentence) and she incriminates her family with those actions many have discussed as 'cover-ups'. That although they may not have known the true story initially or even now, she knew they knew in their hearts Caylee wasn't EVER coming home and something seriously terrible had happened. In her 'goodness', she had to protect them from any more pain-she stuck to her 'nanny' story although she knew they doubted her all along. That her continued delay in confessing the 'accident' was because she didn't want her family to be charged with the obvious-being aware of and covering up hints of evidence and other signs that would implicate her. And in Casey's true self serving form, she throws her family under the bus and blames them for her lie.

There have been so many odd twists in this case and they keep on coming. I began getting a headache as I was writing, thinking...'hmmmm why not'? Anything is possible. She and her family see things in a ‘backward sort of a way’, a way that will haunt them through Eternity.
The mindspace of this clan and their strange form of self preservation is pitiful.

What is most sad and heartbreaking is they have not demonstrated ANY form of respect for Caylee's soul. It's ALL about them.

Rest in peace Little One.

magic-cat
11-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Hey magic cat! My house is on day 10 of a nasty throw -up bug that started with my oldest and hopefully, will be ending with my youngest within a couple of days! Not much sleep lately and all I smell is vomit!

deleted copy of my email

Oh you poor dear. We had the same thing happen here last April, and I honestly did not think that my babies were going to make it so horrible it was for them. It made its way through our entire household also, but for the 3 and 5 year old, it lasted 8 days and it was horrible. We became full time nurse-maids, and it was my honor to care for them in their illness, but it does take a toll on mom and dad. Remember to take care of YOU too!

magic-cat
11-04-2008, 12:22 PM
duh magic cat :bang: I told you I was sleep deprived!! I think you meant the link for the vigil! Sorry..... I found the link on the daily update thread!

You are funny...:blowkiss:

Tuba
11-04-2008, 01:04 PM
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Half way between Casey's Mars-Uranus conjunction and her Mercury is a sensitive place called the midpoint of her communicative tommyrot at 8°Aquarius. In February of the coming year, that sensitive degree will see the Moon's Node then Jupiter, then Venus and Mars together. On January 26, there will be a solar eclipse very close, 6° Aquarius 29'. All of this activity should bring a sharp turn, a change, significant news, espectially with the lunar node on that midpoint from February 7 through 25. Somehow, like a light ray piercing a black cloud, some truth will win through. Thank you Aquarius!:liar:



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Soulscape
11-04-2008, 01:07 PM
... A VERY far out scenario came to mind as I read your words. As discussed previously, a possible delay in the trial was noted; the evidence is mounting and her demise becomes more evident as time goes by. The sentencing in the fraud check cashing case tips her over the edge. And by then perhaps remnants of Caylee or her belongings will be located.

The realization that she really IS going to be imprisoned for a LONG time forces her to 'appear' as though she has been broken and finally acknowledges Caylee's death resulting from an accident; a new story to alter the picture of her as a murderer (a manslaughter plea is sought-a lesser sentence) and she incriminates her family with those actions many have discussed as 'cover-ups'. That although they may not have known the true story initially or even now, she knew they knew in their hearts Caylee wasn't EVER coming home and something seriously terrible had happened. In her 'goodness', she had to protect them from any more pain-she stuck to her 'nanny' story although she knew they doubted her all along. That her continued delay in confessing the 'accident' was because she didn't want her family to be charged with the obvious-being aware of and covering up hints of evidence and other signs that would implicate her. And in Casey's true self serving form, she throws her family under the bus and blames them for her lie.

...

What is most sad and heartbreaking is they have not demonstrated ANY form of respect for Caylee's soul. It's ALL about them.

Rest in peace Little One.

<<Respectfully snipped>>

Heartbreaking, indeed, FifthEssence.

And your "very far out scenario" may not be so far out at all...

It might be interesting to look at KC's upcoming Solar Return, as well as the applicable Solar Returns of GA, CA & LA. Although we are limited not having exact birth times, we still may be able to glean insights as to what 2009 has in store for this family.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-04-2008, 01:21 PM
"some truth will win through" understates my real expectation. When looking at event charts and horaries, Aquarius is where we find the truth that has been put down with covers over its face in Pisces. This can happen through misinformation and mistake or through deception.
The transits from February 7th will shred the fabrications created with KC's Mercury in affliction with her Mars-Uranus-Medea because these transits are hitting on the midpoint. The Sun and Mercury, the Node of the Moon, Venus and Mars, Jupiter, Medea. I believe these are the evidential ammunition from the prosecution.

FifthEssence
11-04-2008, 01:51 PM
I have a question: Does the Prosecution HAVE to provide the defense with all the evidence they've accumulated PRIOR to the start of the trial?
And if so, wouldn't this be the time when the Defense cops a plea?

sharpar
11-04-2008, 02:03 PM
Yes the evidence from the prosecutors is turned over prior to the trial
they are not allowed any surprises . The defense then has the opportunity to interview witnesses and find their own experts to
weigh in on foresnics etc

The defense may approach the prosecutors with a plea bargain
prior to the trial .
Alot of factors enter into it and prosecutors may not accept if
the case is strong or try and modify the terms presented if
they are too lenient .

The actual plea of guilty or not guilty is done at arraignments
when the charges are read.

gardenhart
11-04-2008, 02:07 PM
Yes the evidence from the prosecutors is turned over prior to the trial
they are not allowed any surprises . The defense then has the opportunity to interview witnesses and find their own experts to
weigh in on foresnics etc

The defense may approach the prosecutors with a plea bargain
prior to the trial .
Alot of factors enter into it and prosecutors may not accept if
the case is strong or try and modify the terms presented if
they are too lenient .

The actual plea of guilty or not guilty is done at arraignments
when the charges are read.

Plea bargains are often done the day of the trial. I've even seen a couple of defendants change their pleas during a trial. That, of course, stops the trial provided the judge accepts the plea.

waltzingmatilda
11-04-2008, 02:29 PM
I was seated on the jury for a drug trial once and the day of the trial the jurors stayed in the jury room all day. The trial was delayed for a pleabargain deal to be reached. And it was. It was tuff being isolated in that room all day with stangers tho. I would never want to be incarcerated.

FifthEssence
11-04-2008, 02:48 PM
I do believe she/the Defense will cop a plea. Any located or forensically found fragment of this child IS the BODY of Caylee and the defense knows this. I still thinks she may take the family down with her. She is TREACHEROUS.

MiraclesHappen
11-04-2008, 02:55 PM
I have a question: Does the Prosecution HAVE to provide the defense with all the evidence they've accumulated PRIOR to the start of the trial?
And if so, wouldn't this be the time when the Defense cops a plea?



Not everything they have Fifth,

There are matters not traditionally subject to disclosure. Florida follows the norm:
From Florida Rules Criminal Procedure section 3.220:

(g) Matters Not Subject to Disclosure.
(1) Work Product. Disclosure shall not be required of legal research or of records, correspondence, reports, or
memoranda to the extent that they contain the opinions, theories, or conclusions of the prosecuting or defense
attorney or members of their legal staffs.
(2) Informants. Disclosure of a confidential informant shall not be required unless the confidential informant is to
be produced at a hearing or trial or a failure to disclose the informant’s identity will infringe the constitutional rights of
the defendant.

There is really no correct time when the defendant can change the plea to not guilty. She could do it in November. She could do it when the State rests or half way through the defense, etc.

jmho:)

Theonly1
11-04-2008, 03:00 PM
As of today the docket shows:

Pre-trial conference set for December 11, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Trial set for January 5, 2009 at 9:30 AM

MiraclesHappen
11-04-2008, 03:05 PM
Plea bargains are often done the day of the trial. I've even seen a couple of defendants change their pleas during a trial. That, of course, stops the trial provided the judge accepts the plea.


Thank you , Gardenhart.
I just wanted to add something about the pretrial logistics of plea bargaining in this case.

Every time there is an offer from the prosecution relative to Casey's pleading guilty, Baez or some defense lawyer on the case has to take the offer into the jail and communicate it to her face to face. It's not like she has a phone in her cell. To do less than that would be improper as the only one who can accept or reject offers from the prosecutors is Casey. She has a right to know the offer, no matter how good or bad it might be and in fact must be advised of such.

I am not saying there will be an offer. Just pointing out the logistics if there is.

jmho:)

Tuba
11-04-2008, 03:48 PM
Since the re-arrest, the lack of jail visits has drawn comment. The family can cite intrusion on privacy and I believe, if questioned, they would. But I think estrangement has kept them away.

You can go to the jail and lend your presence for reassurance, utter some consoling words, ask about well being. That wasn't done. Casey will have fastened even more on the attentions and counsel of JB, who comes every other day. When I study the still frames and photos taken in recent weeks, the attachment is strong but there is revolt stirring. This is owing to adverse rulings.

Family tradition blames the outsider, The Other. Casey is doing a slow broil because it's all coming down around her neck. Despite the fact that JB warned her of what was sure to happen, she clung to the belief that the ankle bracelet days would go on and on. Now, she gives him, "What about THIS!" when a court session closes. That is to say, one reads the defiant exclamation on her face.

If there was high tension between KC & JB over her self expression when she dialed 911, it seemed like a good idea to look at the chart for that event. He is Uranus, she is Mars the daughter of the household, Cancer rising. The two planets are in tightest inconjunct, Mars at 20° Libra and the att'y at 20° Pisces and 20'. This depicts real strain. Something in attitudes has to give. They cannot go forward together until this contretemps is resolved.

JB had the whip hand in the September 19 situation, the call. He brought her into line. I suspect she had no objection to that discipline at all. But what she sees as failures to triumph in court is a whole other order of fish. She does not consider what she gave him to work with.

I remember what she said about Survivor or a game like it. She said it was "impeccable". You just outwit, outplay and outlast your opponents. Impeccable doesn't make sense, she rarely does. But inmate 08049710 does expect to win. As the scores come in and they do not favor her, she will kick against the traces. I hope JB is prepared for a truculent client and one who would betray him in a Jacksonville minute.

gardenhart
11-04-2008, 04:39 PM
Since the re-arrest, the lack of jail visits has drawn comment. The family can cite intrusion on privacy and I believe, if questioned, they would. But I think estrangement has kept them away.

You can go to the jail and lend your presence for reassurance, utter some consoling words, ask about well being. That wasn't done. Casey will have fastened even more on the attentions and counsel of JB, who comes every other day. When I study the still frames and photos taken in recent weeks, the attachment is strong but there is revolt stirring. This is owing to adverse rulings.

Family tradition blames the outsider, The Other. Casey is doing a slow broil because it's all coming down around her neck. Despite the fact that JB warned her of what was sure to happen, she clung to the belief that the ankle bracelet days would go on and on. Now, she gives him, "What about THIS!" when a court session closes. That is to say, one reads the defiant exclamation on her face.

If there was high tension between KC & JB over her self expression when she dialed 911, it seemed like a good idea to look at the chart for that event. He is Uranus, she is Mars the daughter of the household, Cancer rising. The two planets are in tightest inconjunct, Mars at 20° Libra and the att'y at 20° Pisces and 20'. This depicts real strain. Something in attitudes has to give. They cannot go forward together until this contretemps is resolved.

JB had the whip hand in the September 19 situation, the call. He brought her into line. I suspect she had no objection to that discipline at all. But what she sees as failures to triumph in court is a whole other order of fish. She does not consider what she gave him to work with.

I remember what she said about Survivor or a game like it. She said it was "impeccable". You just outwit, outplay and outlast your opponents. Impeccable doesn't make sense, she rarely does. But inmate 08049710 does expect to win. As the scores come in and they do not favor her, she will kick against the traces. I hope JB is prepared for a truculent client and one who would betray him in a Jacksonville minute.

She often doesn't make sense because she's trying to make herself sound more educated by using words that really aren't in her vocabulary. I think that says a lot about the kind of person she is.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the visits, Tuba. I think she's furious with her family. Who knows, maybe despite their public protestations of her innocence they're furious or at least fed up with her too.

Hi, Miracle. Good to see you again. :)

FifthEssence
11-04-2008, 05:21 PM
Since the re-arrest, the lack of jail visits has drawn comment. The family can cite intrusion on privacy and I believe, if questioned, they would. But I think estrangement has kept them away.

You can go to the jail and lend your presence for reassurance, utter some consoling words, ask about well being. That wasn't done. Casey will have fastened even more on the attentions and counsel of JB, who comes every other day. When I study the still frames and photos taken in recent weeks, the attachment is strong but there is revolt stirring. This is owing to adverse rulings.

Family tradition blames the outsider, The Other. Casey is doing a slow broil because it's all coming down around her neck. Despite the fact that JB warned her of what was sure to happen, she clung to the belief that the ankle bracelet days would go on and on. Now, she gives him, "What about THIS!" when a court session closes. That is to say, one reads the defiant exclamation on her face.

If there was high tension between KC & JB over her self expression when she dialed 911, it seemed like a good idea to look at the chart for that event. He is Uranus, she is Mars the daughter of the household, Cancer rising. The two planets are in tightest inconjunct, Mars at 20° Libra and the att'y at 20° Pisces and 20'. This depicts real strain. Something in attitudes has to give. They cannot go forward together until this contretemps is resolved.

JB had the whip hand in the September 19 situation, the call. He brought her into line. I suspect she had no objection to that discipline at all. But what she sees as failures to triumph in court is a whole other order of fish. She does not consider what she gave him to work with.

I remember what she said about Survivor or a game like it. She said it was "impeccable". You just outwit, outplay and outlast your opponents. Impeccable doesn't make sense, she rarely does. But inmate 08049710 does expect to win. As the scores come in and they do not favor her, she will kick against the traces. I hope JB is prepared for a truculent client and one who would betray him in a Jacksonville minute.


So, it is indicated that against all odds, she will continue to play a GAME fueled by ego colored with anger, hatred and deceit. That although there could be a possibility of a lighter sentence by way of a Plea Deal (JB getting kicked to the curb for such a suggestion), she in her lowly mind, can never acknowledge the slightest responsibility for the loss of her precious baby. Besides that, the GAME is too thrilling for her to surrender. SICK SICK SICK

Call in the E X O R C I S T.

Tuba
11-04-2008, 05:25 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/911fromCasey009.jpg

This is the event horoscope for the 911 call Casey made on September 19 at 1:30 in the morning. Interesting that the call and the situation on Hopespring do qualify as an event. Events have strictures. Cancer rises, so look to House 4 and there you find the agent of the call and the trouble, Mars & two other planets holed up in intercepted Libra. The activity, shown always by the Moon, is self protective (Taurus). Cancer belongs on H. 4.

The event, as contrasted with the activity, is represented by the Sun. It is the call itself in House 3 and the neighborhood melee. That is traceable to the H. of self protection and possessions, Leo on H.2 and to the situation at the front of the home, H. 3, also Leo. It is also the rare occasion when Casey speaks and can be heard by the public. The att'y Uranus is adverse to the call itself, Sun opposite Uranus.

She is Mars//Saturn and in the Sign of Mars' detriment. This is a different sort of close-up, Miss A, and you're not looking good.

Tuba
11-04-2008, 05:40 PM
So, it is indicated that against all odds, she will continue to play a GAME fueled by ego colored with anger, hatred and deceit. That although there could be a possibility of a lighter sentence by way of a Plea Deal (JB getting kicked to the curb for such a suggestion), she in her lowly mind, can never acknowledge the slightest responsibility for the loss of her precious baby. Besides that, the GAME is too thrilling for her to surrender. SICK SICK SICK

Call in the E X O R C I S T.

I think that is too true. Puts me in mind of a woman I went to school with. She has renounced life in favor of computer games, which she plays by her own admission 24/7. Her husband has long since taken a room at the end of the hall.

Casey is not an introvert. She is a PLAYA. The obsession is with winning and she trumped all of her friends, her men and her parents. Just bled them white. Isn't that special?

FifthEssence
11-04-2008, 07:02 PM
TUBA-SOULSCAPE-KAITLAND and HOUSEMOUSE

Geo A was spotted at 6:30 on Oct 30th starring into the woods. Here is link:
http://www.wftv.com/news/17891218/detail.html#-

Can you do a chart for him at that time ?

Brini
11-04-2008, 07:08 PM
It is easy to see promiscuity in Casey's chart. She has Venus (Aries) and Mars (Sagittarius) both in fire signs, which are quick to start things (sexually). Mars conjunct Uranus acts impulsively and erratically and unpredictably. Venus in Aries is selfish and self-centered, out for the chase, the notch in the belt. Casey's Pluto, another sex marker in a horoscope, is in steamy Scorpio, the sign most associated with sex. Additionally, Casey's Mars/Uranus conjunction squares her Sun/Mercury conjunction, so she has a tendency to act (Mars) against (square) herself (Sun).

This promiscuity does not make her incestuous.

She likes exciting, bad boy types (Mars conjunct Uranus in Sagitarrius) and she's attracted (Venus) to masculine, take charge men (Venus in Aries). I can even see where she takes to LE types with the Mars/Uranus in Sag because Sagittarius is the sign of the Law. With her Pisces Sun, she might gravitate towards men who are dreamy, sensitive, artistic, or addicted.

Lee's and Casey's Suns are closely trine which makes them supportive of each other and both Mercurys in trine make them understanding of each other. These are great aspects to have between a brother and sister, but they are not sexual aspects, despite the fact they could enhance a relationship if the two parties were romantically involved.

From a sexual perspective, in a man's chart we look to Venus and the Moon to gain insight in what kind of woman he finds attractive.

Lee's Venus in Sagittarius is most attracted to honest, friendly, outdoorsy girls with ideals and ethics --- in fact, Venus in Sagittarius values ethics and honesty more than any other sign. Surely with his Scorpio Sun & Mercury, Lee was aware his sister was not, by any stretch of the imagination, honest and ethical... (By the way, Lee has no Neptune afflications in his chart fogging up his vision. That, combined with his strong Scorpio gives me the sense he could "see right through her...".)

With Lee's Moon very likely in serious, business-like Capricorn, Lee is attracted to practical, level-headed, hard working women who make something of themselves. With his serious Capricorn Moon, he would be sexually turned off by party girls like his sister.

Lee's Mars (action, sex) is also in Capricorn, a slow, steady, think before you act sign. This gives a man who is likely to look before he leaps (into bed).... and with Moon (feelings, habit patterns) also in practical, conservative Capricorn, he is even more likely to be discerning and picky about his women...

Just as I saw nothing in these two charts indicating incest, I see nothing in the chart synastry that suggests a mutual/ consensual sexual relationship between LA and KC.

Thanks,
Soulscape

The old "KC's a criminal because of LA's sexual abuse" thing being proposed, yet, again? I wish we'd LOSE that. :-(

Dolce171
11-04-2008, 07:21 PM
I think that is too true. Puts me in mind of a woman I went to school with. She has renounced life in favor of computer games, which she plays by her own admission 24/7. Her husband has long since taken a room at the end of the hall.

Casey is not an introvert. She is a PLAYA. The obsession is with winning and she trumped all of her friends, her men and her parents. Just bled them white. Isn't that special?

Bolded by me

And bled her daughter white too .......:sheesh:

Brini
11-04-2008, 07:36 PM
I think that is too true. Puts me in mind of a woman I went to school with. She has renounced life in favor of computer games, which she plays by her own admission 24/7. Her husband has long since taken a room at the end of the hall.

Casey is not an introvert. She is a PLAYA. The obsession is with winning and she trumped all of her friends, her men and her parents. Just bled them white. Isn't that special?

Exactly! KC is not a victim.

KC is a preditor. Period.

Soulscape
11-04-2008, 09:19 PM
This is a quote from mydailyopinions on the thread discussing George staring into the woods on October 30th:


George needs to be on suicide watch.
I think he feels her there..
Lord help him...
George knows Caylee is gone.

FifthEssence, the news source gives 6:15 pm as the time the witness saw him staring into the woods so I cast the chart as follows:

Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:15 pm, Orlando Florida. You can see the chart by clicking on below link.

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/GeorgeStaresintoWoods.gif


I viewed the chart before I scanned through the thread in which I found the quote above and that was my first thought. He knows she is dead.

This is an unusual chart. I found myself reading it almost wholly intuitively. First, 00 degees of Taurus rises. Taurus, of all the signs, is physical. It is a live little girl or a dead body. I see through George's eyes, the baby is dead because Venus, Lord 1, is in the 8th House of Death, accompanied by Black Moon Lilith, who herself is about to conjunct Pluto, another death significator. Additionally, Venus (Caylee) is in Fateful Degree --- same degree as the Nodes --- which always means a catastrophe, tragedy or fatality. Also notice Pluto's placement is just past the 9th House Cusp. The 9th House is the House of Beliefs and Pluto will soon enter Capricorn, ruled by Saturn, Lord of Death, so George's belief that his granddaughter is alive, is also on the cusp of changing. This is strenghthened because the Moon, showing the action, is in anaretic (last) degree of Scorpio, and about to enter Sagittarius of Truth.

George, the grandfather, is Uranus, locked into almost exact opposition with Saturn, Lord of Death. Venus (Caylee) in fateful degree squares the Uranus/Saturn opposition. George is also the Sun. The Sun lies in the Portal of Death (7th house of the chart), in the Via Combusta (The Burning Way), squares the Nodes, opposes the Ascendant and semi-squares Black Moon Lilith, Bringer of Death. Capricorn rules the Midheaven. There is death all over this chart. George, as the Sun, makes no contact with any other planet. He is alone and there is nothing he can do.

Heartbreaking.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Lovejac
11-04-2008, 09:37 PM
This is a quote from mydailyopinions on the thread discussing George staring into the woods on October 30th:



FifthEssence, the news source gives 6:15 pm as the time the witness saw him staring into the woods so I cast the chart as follows:

Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:15 pm, Orlando Florida. You can see the chart by clicking on below link.

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/GeorgeStaresintoWoods.gif


I viewed the chart before I scanned through the thread in which I found the quote above and that was my first thought. He knows she is dead.

This is an unusual chart. I found myself reading it almost wholly intuitively. First, 00 degees of Taurus rises. Taurus, of all the signs, is physical. It is a live little girl or a dead body. I see through George's eyes, the baby is dead because Venus, Lord 1, is in the 8th House of Death, accompanied by Black Moon Lilith, who herself is about to conjunct Pluto, another death significator. Additionally, Venus (Caylee) is in Fateful Degree --- same degree as the Nodes --- which always means a catastrophe, tragedy or fatality. Also notice Pluto's placement is just past the 9th House Cusp. The 9th House is the House of Beliefs and Pluto will soon enter Capricorn, ruled by Saturn, Lord of Death, so George's belief that his granddaughter is alive, is also on the cusp of changing. This is strenghthened because the Moon, showing the action, is in anaretic (last) degree of Scorpio, and about to enter Sagittarius of Truth.

George, the grandfather, is Uranus, locked into almost exact opposition with Saturn, Lord of Death. Venus (Caylee) in fateful degree squares the Uranus/Saturn opposition. George is also the Sun. The Sun lies in the Portal of Death (7th house of the chart), in the Via Combusta (The Burning Way), squares the Nodes, opposes the Ascendant and semi-squares Black Moon Lilith, Bringer of Death. Capricorn rules the Midheaven. There is death all over this chart. George, as the Sun, makes no contact with any other planet. He is alone and there is nothing he can do.

Heartbreaking.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I have had George on my mind alot lately. Thank you for this insight, Soulscape. I feel for him and pray he has or will find someone to help him through this. As always, he will be in my prayers.

ETA: I hope he didn't have to face the wrath of cindy when she found out he had been spotted.

FifthEssence
11-04-2008, 11:19 PM
SOULSCAPE..thank you for taking the time to do the chart and analogy. What you say validates a past writing from Tuba:10-29-2008 which I've respectfully snipped here:
George Anthony Under Pressure
Then I happened to discover that Casey will have the Dark Moon Lilith on her Saturn on 5November, which could damage the saturnian figure in her life, her father. Generally speaking, Saturn is identified to the father in a native's chart. That is true whether he is the disciplinarian and task master or not.This weekend, the Sun will square George's Mars in the Sign of the heart.

It's taking a toll on him in every way. Hopefully he's visited an MD recently. Look at his grim reality..his only baby Grandaughter who brought him unconditional love is gone-his lying daughter is the responsible one-his wife continues to try to control his thoughts, actions, movements (he can't breathe)-he knows his son is aware and for sure his daughter is going to prison. What is left after all this? Doesn't look too good, but then again, he may find the only way he can live with this and show respect for his Caylee, is to escape from the grip of Cindy and tell all of what he knows to the prosecution.
Either way, his life is in ruins.

Dolce171
11-04-2008, 11:37 PM
Thank you Soulscape!

You have only reaffirmed what has been on my heart for quite some time. My prayer is that George will come to terms with what he knows is true!! My deepest prayer is that he will have the COURAGE to stand for the TRUTH and press to bring it out in the light!

TURBOTHINK
11-04-2008, 11:53 PM
SOULSCAPE..thank you for taking the time to do the chart and analogy. What you say validates a past writing from Tuba:10-29-2008 which I've respectfully snipped here:
George Anthony Under Pressure
Then I happened to discover that Casey will have the Dark Moon Lilith on her Saturn on 5November, which could damage the saturnian figure in her life, her father. Generally speaking, Saturn is identified to the father in a native's chart. That is true whether he is the disciplinarian and task master or not.This weekend, the Sun will square George's Mars in the Sign of the heart.

It's taking a toll on him in every way. Hopefully he's visited an MD recently. Look at his grim reality..his only baby Grandaughter who brought him unconditional love is gone-his lying daughter is the responsible one-his wife continues to try to control his thoughts, actions, movements (he can't breathe)-he knows his son is aware and for sure his daughter is going to prison. What is left after all this? Doesn't look too good, but then again, he may find the only way he can live with this and show respect for his Caylee, is to escape from the grip of Cindy and tell all of what he knows to the prosecution.
Either way, his life is in ruins.

I have seen such darkness around him. It is almost like it envelops him which fits in with all found by charts. I am not sure he is long for this world.

KAITLAND
11-05-2008, 03:41 AM
Hi everyone. Have been swamped since I got back from visit with DD and DGS ...I feel the "pace" is picking up now. Caught the midnight version of NG and saw TM - he is resolute. I do believe he/his teams will be successful. Of concern, was George's visit to the wooded area and Cindy's text message to media that he "was scouting out new location for their command center" (bogus!). I have had nagging feelings that "others" were searching for Caylee, especially after TES announced the date they would return to Orlando. Geoerge has been feeling the heavy weight of Saturn in Virgo on his Sun/Venus/Mercury/South Node for a long time now. It is getting harder and harder for him to maintain the pretense. In January t. Pluto in Capricorn will square his Saturn in Libra, a crushing blow to his "sense of order" and he will have to plumb the very depths of his being...this process has just begun. Even aside from astrological perspectives, George's LE experience is deeply ingrained. He knows the meaning of the evidence. He knows Casey is not innocent. And he knew the moment he smelled the car that Caylee was dead. Interesting thing about smells - it is mediated by limbic system in the brain.....the seat of deep emotions....and smell cannot be rationalized away. It is what it is. Apple pie. Favorite perfume. the smell of your house, fresh cut grass. Everything these scents evoke in you. The smell of intimate loved one. The smell of your children. Deeply, indelibly etched on your mind, your heart, your soul. The smell of that car robbed GA of the last shreds of peace of mind. For family pressure, misguided parenting.....he has decided to maintain the public farce of "she's with the nanny". He will not be able to sustain this. The current saturn-uranus opposition is still within orb of afflicting his sun. The moon in pisces (during the TES search) will be especially troubling for George. Also interesting to see that of all the Anthony's, George has the least difficult chart.
Thank you Soulscape and Tuba for the fabulous charts you have been doing. I have hardly had much time to study them and am printing them out for quiet contemplation. You all do the deepest and most intuitive readings. I am just awed.

Laneymae
11-05-2008, 05:16 AM
Hey lovejac! Do you have a link for that? Hope your boys are well...:)

Here is a link for the vigil where Cindy is hugging the little girl. She gives that little girl a good hug and takes a breathe, knowing what she has lost forever.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17873279/index.html

Tuba
11-05-2008, 12:08 PM
In Soulscape's chart for George at the woods, I see a reversal of beseigement. Mars at Serpentis rules what is hidden from view, what is past, what is sorrowful, H. 12 and he, Mars, is at the midpoint of the Moon and the Sun. He therefore dyes the moment for George with Mars Serpentis fever.

You may remember that George experienced a progressed New Moon on Casey's Pluto. That was the realisation that she did not have a job and was truant from her obligations and covering. We all just had the experience of a New Moon in the heavens at the same place, 5:54 Scorpio. So George has had two gongs from the mallet that identify and characterise the stealth acts and the concealed life of Casey.

The coming Full Moon at 21:15 Taurus afflicts George's Pluto, yes again, the Pluto connection, and George has Pluto at 21:52 Leo. We've been over those points in the zodiac that denote crisis and 21° of a Fixed Sign is one of them. So 13 November brings yet another emergency and turning point in this man's affairs. Because it was born at the New Moon which we are all under, it is full of all the meanings and identifications discussed above.

Of course, we may not have Pluto at a crisis degree in our charts but we will all experience the crisis of the coming Full Moon on a degree of exigency in the financial Sign of Taurus. Because Mars and Neptune are at 21° Fixed Signs today and there is a court proceeding, the pre-trial, the climax of events is already being fed its elements.

magic-cat
11-05-2008, 12:30 PM
Here is a link for the vigil where Cindy is hugging the little girl. She gives that little girl a good hug and takes a breathe, knowing what she has lost forever.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17873279/index.html

My heart breaks for what Cindy has lost. I know that her sorrow over Caylee and Casey is deep and painful. I also know from watching this link that she KNOWS that Caylee is gone and is never coming back and she is now just going through the motions trying to save all that she has left, which is her rotten, stinking daughter. I feel for her because Casey is not much of a compensation for the sweet innocent child that she has lost forever.

Lovejac
11-05-2008, 02:33 PM
Hello friends! I found this info on the Daily Update thread for today and thought it was interesting. I am also wondering what, if any, is the benefit of this?

"The judge did grant Baez’s motion to continue the case, but said this “judicial economy may be best served by hearing the murder case first,” after the State objected to trying the murder case before the check fraud case."

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Hello friends! I found this info on the Daily Update thread for today and thought it was interesting. I am also wondering what, if any, is the benefit of this?

"The judge did grant Baez’s motion to continue the case, but said this “judicial economy may be best served by hearing the murder case first,” after the State objected to trying the murder case before the check fraud case."

It means the fraud case is small change, and if KC is going to jail for the rest of her life for murdering Caylee, there may not be any need to try her for the check and credit card charges.

Lovejac
11-05-2008, 02:37 PM
It means the fraud case is small change, and if KC is going to jail for the rest of her life for murdering Caylee, there may not be any need to try her for the check and credit card charges.


Thank you Calikid:blowkiss: Once again, I read soooo much more into something! Seems to be a theme for me lately!!

CaliKid
11-05-2008, 02:40 PM
Thank you Calikid:blowkiss: Once again, I read soooo much more into something! Seems to be a theme for me lately!!

:) That is very easy to do with this case. Everything seems suspicious.

MysteryAddict
11-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Have our astrologers done a chart for June 16th at 1:50 PM when George stated he
saw KC and Caylee leave the Anthony home?

Many sleuthers still wonder if this statement from George was truthful or not.

A chart may answer this question.

Tuba
11-05-2008, 07:59 PM
The time was 12:50, MysteryAddict. I did do a chart for that day and it is here in thread #3. I was looking at Casey and Caylee and I based the chart on a gap in her tel. usage, not George's recall of the t.v. show and their goodbyes. I do not believe Caylee survived this day.

It was a day of crisis, with Mars at a critical degree and the south node, also of course critical, conjunct Mars. This all was on George's Pluto and Caylee's ASC.

The hostile dance at the trunk of the Pontiac was to occur in a few days and that registers as a coming event in the chart of June 16, one that fully aroused his suspicions. I never felt he shaded her avoidance when he gave his account. He made it clear she did not want him in the trunk or in the car and that she cut up rough.

Tuba
11-05-2008, 08:27 PM
The chart for 12:53 pm, June 16 is on page 4 of this #3 thread at post #81 and #83. The first post is the chart itself. The Part of Fatality is 26:07 Scorpio square Neptune of poisoning in the air of Aquarius. The second chart point to examine when looking for death is the Part of Death. Here it is 29:09 Capricorn in the H. of the child and it conjoins the natal Lilith of Casey.

MysteryAddict
11-05-2008, 09:11 PM
Thank you Tuba for the reference to the June 16th chart and your insight into it.

Soulscape
11-05-2008, 10:04 PM
Back on one of the previous Astrology threads, I looked at a 2:50 pm time of death on 6/16/08 (discussed at post below):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2598567#post2598567


Today I was looking at charts between 12:03 pm on Sunday 6/15 (the time Caylee was videotaped at nursing home with great-granddad on Father's Day) and early morning Tuesday 6/17.

Here's what really grabbed me: At 11:52 pm Sunday night 6/15/08 transit MARS is exactly on Caylee's natal Ascendant, 1 minute applying. This transit MARS is exactly conjunct (same degree) malefic South Node placing MARS in Fateful degree (a catastrophe, tragedy, fatality). Also, JUPITER is in Fateful Degree and so is the Event chart Ascendant and Chiron!!

I uploaded two charts, the first is this possible 6-15-08 death date by itself and the second is a biwheel showing Caylee's natal chart as inner and the possible 6-15-08 death date as outer.

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/PossibleCayleeDeath6-15-08.gif

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/PossibleCayleeDeath6-15-08Biwheel.gif


Notice the following:

North/South Nodes 20:06 Leo (across the Ascendant/Descendant axis)
MARS 20:52 Leo (conjunct Caylee's natal Ascendant 20:53 Leo)
JUPITER 20:15Rx Capricorn (trine Caylee's natal Venus 20:53 Virgo; also note JUPITER is (traditional) ruler of Caylee's 8th House of Death)
CHIRON 20:54Rx Aquarius exact conjunct Event chart Ascendant and exact opposition Caylee's natal Ascendant

Additionally, at this 11:52 pm time on Sunday night 6/15/08, Black Moon Lilith (death indicator when prominent) is conjunct Midheaven and square Ascendant (traditional) ruler Saturn.

Part of Death 19:57 Sagittarius is aspecting every single one of those planets listed above in 20 degrees and square Caylee's natal Venus 20:53 Virgo.

===================================
By 2:50 pm Monday 6/16/08, Event chart Ascendant was at 14:33 Libra --- partile conjunct Caylee's natal Jupiter within 2 minutes. Jupiter (traditionally) rules Caylee's natal 8th house of Death.

===================================


As I was discussing with Kaitland off thread, late Sunday evening 6/15/08 through approx. 7:30 pm Monday 6/16/08 (whenever Casey was videotaped on the Blockbuster security camera) is the death window, but late Sunday night through mid-afternoon on 6/16/08 looks awfully suspicious.....

Also, keep in mind, MARS, the killer planet at Event Chart Ascendant rules Caylee's natal 4th House of the Mother...

Tuba, please add your further insights.


Thanks,
Soulscape

chesterp
11-05-2008, 10:36 PM
I do not know anything about astrology and I am fascinated by this. Contrary to the pings....and supposed evidence before the BOND hearing in my dream I asked what day Caylee went to Heaven and I was told clearly JUNE 14th......... I do not know who kindly responded, Caylee's soul was aware of the impending death, I hope I phrased it properly. Would it be possible for a chart on Caylee the 14th? If not that is OK, I know the Father's Day video states differently..and I can not let go of the 14th, MAYBE DENIAL, but we all know DENIAL does not play any part in this saga.

Lovejac
11-05-2008, 11:51 PM
Back on one of the previous Astrology threads, I looked at a 2:50 pm time of death on 6/16/08 (discussed at post below):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2598567#post2598567


Today I was looking at charts between 12:03 pm on Sunday 6/15 (the time Caylee was videotaped at nursing home with great-granddad on Father's Day) and early morning Tuesday 6/17.

Here's what really grabbed me: At 11:52 pm Sunday night 6/15/08 transit MARS is exactly on Caylee's natal Ascendant, 1 minute applying. This transit MARS is exactly conjunct (same degree) malefic South Node placing MARS in Fateful degree (a catastrophe, tragedy, fatality). Also, JUPITER is in Fateful Degree and so is the Event chart Ascendant and Chiron!!

I uploaded two charts, the first is this possible 6-15-08 death date by itself and the second is a biwheel showing Caylee's natal chart as inner and the possible 6-15-08 death date as outer.

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/PossibleCayleeDeath6-15-08.gif

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/PossibleCayleeDeath6-15-08Biwheel.gif


Notice the following:

North/South Nodes 20:06 Leo (across the Ascendant/Descendant axis)
MARS 20:52 Leo (conjunct Caylee's natal Ascendant 20:53 Leo)
JUPITER 20:15Rx Capricorn (trine Caylee's natal Venus 20:53 Virgo; also note JUPITER is (traditional) ruler of Caylee's 8th House of Death)
CHIRON 20:54Rx Aquarius exact conjunct Event chart Ascendant and exact opposition Caylee's natal Ascendant

Additionally, at this 11:52 pm time on Sunday night 6/15/08, Black Moon Lilith (death indicator when prominent) is conjunct Midheaven and square Ascendant (traditional) ruler Saturn.

Part of Death 19:57 Sagittarius is aspecting every single one of those planets listed above in 20 degrees and square Caylee's natal Venus 20:53 Virgo.

===================================
By 2:50 pm Monday 6/16/08, Event chart Ascendant was at 14:33 Libra --- partile conjunct Caylee's natal Jupiter within 2 minutes. Jupiter (traditionally) rules Caylee's natal 8th house of Death.

===================================


As I was discussing with Kaitland off thread, late Sunday evening 6/15/08 through approx. 7:30 pm Monday 6/16/08 (whenever Casey was videotaped on the Blockbuster security camera) is the death window, but late Sunday night through mid-afternoon on 6/16/08 looks awfully suspicious.....

Also, keep in mind, MARS, the killer planet at Event Chart Ascendant rules Caylee's natal 4th House of the Mother...

Tuba, please add your further insights.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, I have read your post 3 times and I feel as if I am missing something.

As you know, I have been following this thread since the beginning and have soaked up all your posts :blowkiss:

Are you saying that you don't think Caylee even saw the day of 6/16/08? Do you think she was killed Fathers Day night?

I apologize if I am being dense! I have been battling with a NASTY bug that has made its round with all my 3 boys, so there hasn't been alot of sleep in my house!

Thanks!

KAITLAND
11-06-2008, 12:55 AM
Soulscape - the other issue at hand as to the timing of death...if indeed it was chloroform or other drug (which I believe it was), the time of death could have been many many hours after Casey's ACTION of administering the drug...so the different charts could end up representing 1.) the ACTION that led to death, and 2.) the actual moment of death/cessation of breathing/soul departing. I feel the intensity of mars relates to the ACTION by Casey. Fascinating how we can glean so many layers of information by looking at the various charts.
Have been thinking so much about the search coming up on Saturday....pondering once again about "timing" because the search has been a very intense and ongoing process ...making maps, looking at the phone record pings, orchestrating a myriad of details...and I think these actions do count as "looking for Caylee" also. I wonder what a "span of time" can tell us about the search.
I did a chart (still cannot get it to post!!!) for sunrise 6:43am "the dawning of day" 11/8/08. The chart angles lock onto Caylee's natal chart. Ascendant is 15 & Sun 16 Scorpio (straddles Caylee's n. 4th house cusp end of life) and Midheaven is 20 Leo, which is Caylee's n. ascendant degree - showing her resting place is the "highest concern in the chart. Neptune at 4th cusp is the mystery to be solved. Mercury in Scorpio in h. 12 in wide trine support to moon/uranus in Pisces holds promise of revealing secrets deeply hidden.
If you set the chart to sunset to reveal what is at the "close of the day" at 5:35pm 11/8/08 the ascendant changes to 18 Taurus (Caylee's n. MH) with ruler Venus in Sag w/ Pluto in 8th h. of death. Now Midheaven is 4 Aquarius which places Caylee's n. Saturn 3 Leo smack on 4th H cusp "end of the matter" and "final resting place" along w/her Mercury & Sun. Moon/Uranus conj in Pisces "emotional shocks" very tight and in 11th h. hopes & wishes & organizations (TES) widely trine to a very aggressive Sun/ Mars in Scorpio on 7th h. of "others", especially LE. I like the 9th h. Jupiter in this chart (people at a distance) in support of the Moon/Uranus + Sun/Mars + Saturn. TES should prevail.
I see George standing at the edge of the woods, knowing Caylee will finally be home soon.

magic-cat
11-06-2008, 01:05 AM
Soulscape, I have read your post 3 times and I feel as if I am missing something.

As you know, I have been following this thread since the beginning and have soaked up all your posts :blowkiss:

Are you saying that you don't think Caylee even saw the day of 6/16/08? Do you think she was killed Fathers Day night?

I apologize if I am being dense! I have been battling with a NASTY bug that has made its round with all my 3 boys, so there hasn't been alot of sleep in my house!

Thanks!

You know lovejac,
It is possible that she came back for Caylee after everyone was asleep-chlorformed her right there in her bed so she would not cry or awaken and took her off into the night. This could easily have been the scenario, or the argument/fight could have gone on for LONG-remember Cindy did not even get back to the house WITH Caylee that evening until sometime after 8 pm, so if Casey came at 9 or 10 and the fight occurred THEN she could very well have taken her right out the door that night and done her dirty deeds immediately after.

I hope your boys are recovering-if it is a rotovirus, did you know they are NOW immunizing against that after it has been KILLING so many children especially in China?

Lovejac
11-06-2008, 02:04 AM
You know lovejac,
It is possible that she came back for Caylee after everyone was asleep-chlorformed her right there in her bed so she would not cry or awaken and took her off into the night. This could easily have been the scenario, or the argument/fight could have gone on for LONG-remember Cindy did not even get back to the house WITH Caylee that evening until sometime after 8 pm, so if Casey came at 9 or 10 and the fight occurred THEN she could very well have taken her right out the door that night and done her dirty deeds immediately after.

I hope your boys are recovering-if it is a rotovirus, did you know they are NOW immunizing against that after it has been KILLING so many children especially in China?

Okay, that makes more sense to me. I, for the life of me, can't see cindy 'letting' casey take Caylee after a huge fight or kicking them out.

My boys are on the mend, thanks for asking! It lasted 48 hours for each of them. Little Austin was the last, no fever since around 2pm. I cannot believe I didn't get it! THAT is good to know about rotovirus, I will definitely ask next visit!:blowkiss:

CaliKid
11-06-2008, 02:21 AM
Okay, that makes more sense to me. I, for the life of me, can't see cindy 'letting' casey take Caylee after a huge fight or kicking them out.

My boys are on the mend, thanks for asking! It lasted 48 hours for each of them. Little Austin was the last, no fever since around 2pm. I cannot believe I didn't get it! THAT is good to know about rotovirus, I will definitely ask next visit!:blowkiss:

OT, but once you've had rotovirus, you can't get it again.

Zoe Bogart
11-06-2008, 04:17 AM
I believe LP's BD might be 7/10/39.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=237906377

I found this in California's Birth Records:

Jesse Leonardo Padilla
10 July 1939
Fresno County


Of course, the birth records online don't give a birth time. I got this info through my Ancestry.com access.

Zoe Bogart
11-06-2008, 04:45 AM
http://*************.com/2005/12/11/happy-birthday-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch/


Thanks to all in this thread. I found this :birthday_party:Happy 59th Birthday!!! message to Tim, listed on 12-11- 2005. I did a search and found other posts which link this site so I am assuming it is not on the forbidden list. It is linked above.:blowkiss:

Hope this helps...


Would that be December 11th or November 12th?

I haven't found his birth information yet, as given by MiraclesHappen above, but I've found his marriage record to wife Georgeann. They were married 19 May 1990 in Galveston County, Texas. This could be the date of their marriage license, or could be the actual date of their marriage. I'm assuming this is his second marriage (or later), as his daughter was killed in 1984.

I don't know if this could help us with this weekend's search though. The record only gives his name as Timothy Miller. I was hoping for a middle name. His name is Timothy A. Miller, according to a record I found where he was honored by Congress in 2002.

Tim began EquuSearch in August 2000. His daughter was abducted 10 September 1984 in League City, Texas. Her remains were found 17 months later. The Texas Death Records give her date of death as 2 Feb 1986, although the newspaper says her remains were found Feb 3rd. I don't know if any of this helps to associate Tim astrologically with the birth record given above as his, but it might.

FifthEssence
11-06-2008, 03:13 PM
TUBA-SOULSCAPE-KAITLAND-HOUSEMOUSE


:clap:REMARKABLE WORK here LADIES!!!! :clap:

:clap: :blowkiss: :clap: :clap: :blowkiss: :clap:

Tuba
11-06-2008, 04:51 PM
Kaitland, just assuming you have seen the chart for the official start of the Saturday search, which is posted on page 4 of this thread (3) at #86.

Your sunrise horoscope may represent more than TES, instead the whole community of Orlando focusing on the search from the moment of awakening? With Caylee at the H.10 cusp and her end of life rising, the day seems very personal to her. The TES launch chart reinforces the reception of spiritual guidance. Before the search begins at 8:00 a.m., the Moon will have separated from her contraparallel to Saturn and parallel to Uranus, which leads me to the notion of leads from dreams the previous night.

The Moon was last over Neptune in both charts, so intuition in the days before November 8 will assist powerfully. The 8 o'clock search begins during the Jupiter hour and Sagittarius rises, with Jupiter trine Saturn on a Saturn day. I like the Moon - Sun trine too for substantial progress. With an array of planets at the middle of a series of Signs, there is an orderly, methodical approach.

When I analysed my chart, sub-groups were part of the picture and Venus ruled a sub-group and is protecting the venture from a First House position. She is in a dual Sign and with Pluto in a dual Sign, so this is a collection of people on horseback. There are plenty of foot scouts too with Moon and Uranus both in dual Pisces. And, always that child, Mercury at 6:17 Scorpio trine the Part of Find at 6:02 Pisces. He or she has excellent instincts.

Soulscape
11-06-2008, 05:00 PM
Soulscape - the other issue at hand as to the timing of death...if indeed it was chloroform or other drug (which I believe it was), the time of death could have been many many hours after Casey's ACTION of administering the drug...so the different charts could end up representing 1.) the ACTION that led to death, and 2.) the actual moment of death/cessation of breathing/soul departing. I feel the intensity of mars relates to the ACTION by Casey.

<<Respectfully snipped and bolded>>

Excellent observation, Kaitland! Another possibility is that the 11:52 pm time could be symbolic of the action Casey was to soon take (the next day). Perhaps MARS at that degree triggered Casey (so likely after the huge fight with parents). Perhaps that was the moment Casey consciously decided she would put her plan into action....

The reason I bring this up is because after reading George's taped transcript with LE released today, I noted he seems to have an exceptionally strong memory/ recollection of times as well as dates (not surprising for a Virgo), which strengthens the possibility that he was in fact telling the truth, that he saw Casey & Caylee at 12:50 pm on Monday 6/16/08.

I have to admit, I have felt he did see them at that date and time from the start...

Thanks,
Soulscape

karenmamo
11-06-2008, 05:27 PM
<<Respectfully snipped and bolded>>

Excellent observation, Kaitland! Another possibility is that the 11:52 pm time could be symbolic of the action Casey was to soon take (the next day). Perhaps MARS at that degree triggered Casey (so likely after the huge fight with parents). Perhaps that was the moment Casey consciously decided she would put her plan into action....

The reason I bring this up is because after reading George's taped transcript with LE released today, I noted he seems to have an exceptionally strong memory/ recollection of times as well as dates (not surprising for a Virgo), which strengthens the possibility that he was in fact telling the truth, that he saw Casey & Caylee at 12:50 pm on Monday 6/16/08.

I have to admit, I have felt he did see them at that date and time from the start...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Good on you, Soul.
I 'just knew' he way lying. Now I am feeling so bad about it all.

Tuba
11-06-2008, 06:15 PM
Sorry, Soulscape. I do not have any insights beyond what we have all put on the board here from the beginning about the death itself. Leonard said last night that a choloroform soaked rag had been left in the trunk. He didn't seem to be inferring this but instead stating that he knew of a rag taken in evidence.

If true, we don't know whether Caylee was left in the car for sufficient time to harm and kill her from the rag in proximity or whether she died from a specific application of the rag to her face. I strongly believe she was given chloroform from June 13 on. Not casually but by Casey playing anaesthetist. By the 16th, the poisonous routine had been underway for three days.

All the charts for that two day period are interesting and if we continue to study them, we'll figure out more. I see that the Moon was trine and parallel Neptune on the day I believe this drugging took place for the first time. I have the Part of Fatality at 26:07 Scorpio and you have the Moon at 27. The saturated rag itself is the Moon and in the Sign of poison, Scorpio, looks like the lethal combination.

Tuba
11-06-2008, 08:31 PM
I do not know anything about astrology and I am fascinated by this. Contrary to the pings....and supposed evidence before the BOND hearing in my dream I asked what day Caylee went to Heaven and I was told clearly JUNE 14th......... I do not know who kindly responded, Caylee's soul was aware of the impending death, I hope I phrased it properly. Would it be possible for a chart on Caylee the 14th? If not that is OK, I know the Father's Day video states differently..and I can not let go of the 14th, MAYBE DENIAL, but we all know DENIAL does not play any part in this saga.

Caylee was born with Mercury on the North Node of Neptune: psychic premonition, ESP. If you scrutinize the video from the nursing home, and I'm sure you have, you can see foreboding & apprehension in her face and even her movements. If Cindy had asked her, "Do you want to stay with Grand Da?" Caylee would have said yes. We have no chart for Caylee for June 14 because we have no time on the clock to look at but we can look at the transits to her chart on that day.

You know from my posts if you read them that she had been drugged for several days (June 13 on). So, she probably did "go to heaven" that Saturday, June 14. I mean really, as in a NDE. That tells you how dangerous the chloroforming had already been, before the fatal dose.

Lovejac
11-06-2008, 08:44 PM
Caylee was born with Mercury on the North Node of Neptune: psychic premonition, ESP. If you scrutinize the video from the nursing home, and I'm sure you have, you can see foreboding & apprehension in her face and even her movements. If Cindy had asked her, "Do you want to stay with Grand Da?" Caylee would have said yes. We have no chart for Caylee for June 14 because we have no time on the clock to look at but we can look at the transits to her chart on that day.

You know from my posts if you read them that she had been drugged for several days (June 13 on). So, she probably did "go to heaven" that Saturday, June 14. I mean really, as in a NDE. That tells you how dangerous the chloroforming had already been, before the fatal dose.

Tuba, I'm sorry to ask, but what does NDE stand for?

I am so emotionally drained after reading George's interview today, I am having trouble understanding.

Once again, all of you here were correct regarding George. Please join with me to pray for him again tonight :blowkiss:

housemouse
11-06-2008, 08:49 PM
Hello, Friends!

Still getting over the "adult croup", with the busted rib from coughing, but am finally beginning to feel human again.

I can't add anything to what Soulscape, Tuna, and all have been posting. I do not do much "personal astrology", and focus mostly on "mundane/political/criminal" astrology.

I am looking forward to seeing what the trial brings out, as I still am interested in my original times/dates. (late night 17th/wee hours of the morning on the 18th).

What I would like to see the most is a confession from Casey, but that is improbable!
charts on every event in the case, but will still do charts for major events. I use different methods than the rest, but not any better or worse, just different.

Will go and read up on what has transpired, now that I am off the cough medicine, and can think clearly.

Lovejac
11-06-2008, 08:52 PM
Hello, Friends!

Still getting over the "adult croup", with the busted rib from coughing, but am finally beginning to feel human again.

I can't add anything to what Soulscape, Tuna, and all have been posting. I do not do much "personal astrology", and focus mostly on "mundane/political/criminal" astrology.

I am looking forward to seeing what the trial brings out, as I still am interested in my original times/dates. (late night 17th/wee hours of the morning on the 18th).

What I would like to see the most is a confession from Casey, but that is improbable!
charts on every event in the case, but will still do charts for major events. I use different methods than the rest, but not any better or worse, just different.

Will go and read up on what has transpired, now that I am off the cough medicine, and can think clearly.

I am sooo glad to hear from you, dear housemouse! :blowkiss: So glad you are taking care of yourself. You are missed very much! Catherine

Pink Panther
11-06-2008, 08:53 PM
Do any of our astrologers see a confession?

Dolce171
11-06-2008, 08:57 PM
Caylee was born with Mercury on the North Node of Neptune: psychic premonition, ESP. If you scrutinize the video from the nursing home, and I'm sure you have, you can see foreboding & apprehension in her face and even her movements. If Cindy had asked her, "Do you want to stay with Grand Da?" Caylee would have said yes. We have no chart for Caylee for June 14 because we have no time on the clock to look at but we can look at the transits to her chart on that day.

You know from my posts if you read them that she had been drugged for several days (June 13 on). So, she probably did "go to heaven" that Saturday, June 14. I mean really, as in a NDE. That tells you how dangerous the chloroforming had already been, before the fatal dose.


It just breaks my heart to think that she was drugging Caylee on a consistant basis and it wasn't just a one time occurence. It just makes this whole situation even more malicious =(

suggie
11-06-2008, 09:07 PM
Lovejac,

NDE=near death experience

Wow this is fantastic work here...this thread has me captivated. TY

housemouse
11-06-2008, 09:14 PM
Do any of our astrologers see a confession?

I didn't see one when I first looked at her chart, Pink Panther. But, I am going to go back and recheck Casey's transits for the next few months to see if there is any possibility.

Probably won't be tonight, though. Have to go get hubby ready for bed. That usually wears me out, since I am not as young and spry as I would like to be.

magic-cat
11-06-2008, 09:19 PM
OT, but once you've had rotovirus, you can't get it again.

And thank GOD in heaven for THAT! lol:eek:

chesterp
11-06-2008, 11:03 PM
Caylee was born with Mercury on the North Node of Neptune: psychic premonition, ESP. If you scrutinize the video from the nursing home, and I'm sure you have, you can see foreboding & apprehension in her face and even her movements. If Cindy had asked her, "Do you want to stay with Grand Da?" Caylee would have said yes. We have no chart for Caylee for June 14 because we have no time on the clock to look at but we can look at the transits to her chart on that day.

You know from my posts if you read them that she had been drugged for several days (June 13 on). So, she probably did "go to heaven" that Saturday, June 14. I mean really, as in a NDE. That tells you how dangerous the chloroforming had already been, before the fatal dose.

I never saw that date I have not read these postings prior to my joining WS. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

KAITLAND
11-06-2008, 11:28 PM
Kaitland, just assuming you have seen the chart for the official start of the Saturday search, which is posted on page 4 of this thread (3) at #86.

Your sunrise horoscope may represent more than TES, instead the whole community of Orlando focusing on the search from the moment of awakening? With Caylee at the H.10 cusp and her end of life rising, the day seems very personal to her. The TES launch chart reinforces the reception of spiritual guidance. Before the search begins at 8:00 a.m., the Moon will have separated from her contraparallel to Saturn and parallel to Uranus, which leads me to the notion of leads from dreams the previous night.

The Moon was last over Neptune in both charts, so intuition in the days before November 8 will assist powerfully. The 8 o'clock search begins during the Jupiter hour and Sagittarius rises, with Jupiter trine Saturn on a Saturn day. I like the Moon - Sun trine too for substantial progress. With an array of planets at the middle of a series of Signs, there is an orderly, methodical approach.

When I analysed my chart, sub-groups were part of the picture and Venus ruled a sub-group and is protecting the venture from a First House position. She is in a dual Sign and with Pluto in a dual Sign, so this is a collection of people on horseback. There are plenty of foot scouts too with Moon and Uranus both in dual Pisces. And, always that child, Mercury at 6:17 Scorpio trine the Part of Find at 6:02 Pisces. He or she has excellent instincts.

Hi Tuba - yes, I did read that great analysis of the search set for 8a.m. Actually it gave me chills. Have just been ruminating a lot over the "time" issues with this whole case. And with the search, and soooo many people involved in it...would the chart be timed with the first step taken to do the physical search? or the 8a.m. time of the "gathering". In a wedding chart, much preparation, pagentry, but timed for the spoken words "I now pronounce you husband & wife".. So, decided to look at a "scope of time" and was surprised to the the sunrise and sunset chart locked right onto Caylee's natal angles. Just another layers.

Got a PM from Soulscape with TM b'date of 12/11/46 Dickinson TX...do we know this is confirmed??????? Looking at contacts between Tim & Caylee off top of my head: His sun/mars in sag on her pluto; his jupiter/venus in scorpio straddling her 4th house cusp with mercury sitting in it; his 8th house saturn/pluto in leo on her 12th house saturn/mercury/sun! i'm sure he feels she is literally speaking to him from the grave; his libra MH on her moon/jupiter. This is sunrise chart. Powerful.

KAITLAND
11-06-2008, 11:35 PM
Kaitland, just assuming you have seen the chart for the official start of the Saturday search, which is posted on page 4 of this thread (3) at #86.

Your sunrise horoscope may represent more than TES, instead the whole community of Orlando focusing on the search from the moment of awakening? With Caylee at the H.10 cusp and her end of life rising, the day seems very personal to her. The TES launch chart reinforces the reception of spiritual guidance. Before the search begins at 8:00 a.m., the Moon will have separated from her contraparallel to Saturn and parallel to Uranus, which leads me to the notion of leads from dreams the previous night.

The Moon was last over Neptune in both charts, so intuition in the days before November 8 will assist powerfully. The 8 o'clock search begins during the Jupiter hour and Sagittarius rises, with Jupiter trine Saturn on a Saturn day. I like the Moon - Sun trine too for substantial progress. With an array of planets at the middle of a series of Signs, there is an orderly, methodical approach.

When I analysed my chart, sub-groups were part of the picture and Venus ruled a sub-group and is protecting the venture from a First House position. She is in a dual Sign and with Pluto in a dual Sign, so this is a collection of people on horseback. There are plenty of foot scouts too with Moon and Uranus both in dual Pisces. And, always that child, Mercury at 6:17 Scorpio trine the Part of Find at 6:02 Pisces. He or she has excellent instincts.

Hi Tuba - yes, I did read that great analysis of the search set for 8a.m. Actually it gave me chills. Have just been ruminating a lot over the "time" issues with this whole case. And with the search, and soooo many people involved in it...would the chart be timed with the first step taken to do the physical search? or the 8a.m. time of the "gathering". In a wedding chart, much preparation, pagentry, but timed for the spoken words "I now pronounce you husband & wife".. So, decided to look at a "scope of time" and was surprised to the the sunrise and sunset chart locked right onto Caylee's natal angles. Just another layers.

Got a PM from Soulscape with TM b'date of 12/11/46 Dickinson TX...do we know this is confirmed??????? Looking at contacts between Tim & Caylee off top of my head: His sun/mars in sag on her pluto; his jupiter/venus in scorpio straddling her 4th house cusp with mercury sitting in it; his 8th house saturn/pluto in leo on her 12th house saturn/mercury/sun! i'm sure he feels she is literally speaking to him from the grave; his libra MH on her moon/jupiter. This is sunrise chart. Powerful.

Tuba
11-06-2008, 11:53 PM
chesterp, I mean that is the astrology of the chloroform use and I vouch for that but we may never see it substantiated. And every time Casey put her daughter under, she risked her life. All the websites clearly showed the chloroform was poison and featured skull & crossbones.

What are your feelings about near death experiences? Do you think that fits the answer to your spiritual question ( she went to heaven on June 14th)?

Tuba
11-07-2008, 12:15 AM
Kaitland, I do believe the scheduled, preannounced time for any event is pregnant with meaning & always take that hour for the casting of the horoscope but like you, I think it's instructive to look into auxilliary surrounding moments if I have the leisure to do that.

For example, you mention weddings. I was some minutes late for mine but used the printed announcement time. I should have also charted the time a one armed bible salesman surprised me at my apt. & warned me that he would stalk me no matter where I went if I ever left my husband to be. And the time my future mother in-law published the banns in the church w/o consulting me or my fiance who had not firmed up the date ourselves.

As you say, it is a matter of layers and if all the times are correct, there is never contradiction. Only added meaning. I have done a lot of political astrology--not meaning in re: elections but in the strict sense of the charts of nations. As countries went through drastic transformations, it was always possible to see YES, but this aspect, Sign, House is rooted in that which was.

Tuba
11-07-2008, 12:42 AM
Just a word about chills because it just happened again. It comes home to me that the child in the TES chart is Caylee or that Caylee is directing the child. And the chills overwhelmed me this afternoon when I looked at it and just now again. Mercury is in the House of Spirit Form, H. 11. This Mercury is precisely opposite the afflicted Mars in Caylee's natal and sextile that awful conjunction of Saturn (6°) & Mars in the chart of the first arrest. I saw that as maltreatment as it was very active on the Cusp of the child's H. 6 (Cusp of H. 10 in the unturned arrest chart).

I resist thinking about this Dolce171, but the mistreatment has come out in chart after chart. Do you remember the witnesses who reported that Caylee would awaken at those night parties with tears in her eyes and start to cry and then go back to sleep? The Xanax possibility is being explored. Certainly Caylee was never free of the Neptunian influence from her H. of health and routines, so I suspect Xanax and similar potions over months.

chesterp
11-07-2008, 01:12 AM
chesterp, I mean that is the astrology of the chloroform use and I vouch for that but we may never see it substantiated. And every time Casey put her daughter under, she risked her life. All the websites clearly showed the chloroform was poison and featured skull & crossbones.

What are your feelings about near death experiences? Do you think that fits the answer to your spiritual question ( she went to heaven on June 14th)?

No I think she was killed 6/14.........When my dream first began before the BOND HEARING..............I saw a white trash bag with something in it... I asked is this CAYLEE.............I was told YES. After I composed myself....I was shown a couple of other things.. I SPECIFALLY ASKED what day did she die/murder/accident.....no answer. I rephrased the question... What date did Caylee go to Heaven................I was told JUNE 14TH...that is why I am having a hardtime believing the Father's Day video...............

I have died 3 times.............no white lights, no tunnels, no heavenly celestial experience...dead/flatline.....

magic-cat
11-07-2008, 01:13 AM
chesterp, I mean that is the astrology of the chloroform use and I vouch for that but we may never see it substantiated. And every time Casey put her daughter under, she risked her life. All the websites clearly showed the chloroform was poison and featured skull & crossbones.

What are your feelings about near death experiences? Do you think that fits the answer to your spiritual question ( she went to heaven on June 14th)?

I think she wanted to use the chloroform because it was, perhaps, simpler for her to pour it on a rag as opposed to crushing up pills such as Xanex, and I suspect she had begun to want the Xanex for herself.

As has been stated previously in many threads here, Xanex is HIGHLY habit forming, and if she had given it to Caylee even in small amounts over an extended period of say, 6 to 10 days, it is highly likely that Caylee was ADDICTED to it already. Maybe Casey thought the chloroform would "go" further AND she got the added benefits of no pills to crush and her Xani's back for HER.

So, when she drugged her on the 14th, if she did in fact, then it is possible that Caylee ALMOST died THAT night and DID have a near death experience-but she came back. I am not so sure about that whole week of the 9th of June UNTIL the 15th-something tells me that this was all well under way before the 15th ever arrived. They were spending nights away-the last documented night at Ricardo's is the 12th IIRC, and the 13th is when she "got" with Tony. 2 days later/Caylee is GONE...

Where IS Caylee?

KAITLAND
11-07-2008, 01:15 AM
Have we ever found out the date of the computer searches for chloroform?? And if anyone is reading the newly dumped documents - is there anything in there about the dates of purchase of components to make chloroform?

Watched the news video of CA reaffirming her belief Caylee is alive......and that sad, sad statement about "no one's brought me a body..." The A's have pretty much infuriated the entire nation (well, certainly Cindy has), but they are going to need all of our prayers when Cindy receives proof. And George's interview was just pitiful..."I don't want to think I brought someone who could hurt another human being..." They certainly dread seeing the light of day Saturday morning.

chesterp
11-07-2008, 01:31 AM
I think she wanted to use the chloroform because it was, perhaps, simpler for her to pour it on a rag as opposed to crushing up pills such as Xanex, and I suspect she had begun to want the Xanex for herself.

As has been stated previously in many threads here, Xanex is HIGHLY habit forming, and if she had given it to Caylee even in small amounts over an extended period of say, 6 to 10 days, it is highly likely that Caylee was ADDICTED to it already. Maybe Casey thought the chloroform would "go" further AND she got the added benefits of no pills to crush and her Xani's back for HER.

So, when she drugged her on the 14th, if she did in fact, then it is possible that Caylee ALMOST died THAT night and DID have a near death experience-but she came back. I am not so sure about that whole week of the 9th of June UNTIL the 15th-something tells me that this was all well under way before the 15th ever arrived. They were spending nights away-the last documented night at Ricardo's is the 12th IIRC, and the 13th is when she "got" with Tony. 2 days later/Caylee is GONE...

Where IS Caylee?

That makes perfect sense to me since the VIDEO unless proven otherwise.

savannahanna
11-07-2008, 02:33 AM
[quote=housemouse;2908431]Hello, Friends!

Still getting over the "adult croup", with the busted rib from coughing, but am finally beginning to feel human again.

Housemouse, so good to hear that you are on road to recovery and posting!!!!:clap:

Savannahanna

Justice for Caylee

Sparky
11-07-2008, 08:58 AM
Tuba as we searchers begin our quest on Sat to bring Caylee home, is there anything besides the pines and yellow flowers we should look for? Thank you.

Soulscape
11-07-2008, 12:23 PM
Just a word about chills because it just happened again. It comes home to me that the child in the TES chart is Caylee or that Caylee is directing the child. And the chills overwhelmed me this afternoon when I looked at it and just now again. Mercury is in the House of Spirit Form, H. 11. This Mercury is precisely opposite the afflicted Mars in Caylee's natal and sextile that awful conjunction of Saturn (6°) & Mars in the chart of the first arrest. I saw that as maltreatment as it was very active on the Cusp of the child's H. 6 (Cusp of H. 10 in the unturned arrest chart).

I resist thinking about this Dolce171, but the mistreatment has come out in chart after chart. Do you remember the witnesses who reported that Caylee would awaken at those night parties with tears in her eyes and start to cry and then go back to sleep? The Xanax possibility is being explored. Certainly Caylee was never free of the Neptunian influence from her H. of health and routines, so I suspect Xanax and similar potions over months.

<<Respectfully bolded>>

Tuba,

Your posts from #199 on have brought tears to my eyes. I am beyond saddened by the probability that KC may have drugged that poor innocent baby on an ongoing basis. But as you clearly pointed out, the stars repeatedly point to this sickening scenario.

I pray with all my heart Tim Miller finds her, Lord willing, this weekend...

Thanks,
Soulscape

PS--- On a happier note, welcome back Housemouse!!!! So glad you are feeling better & very much looking forward to reading your upcoming posts!

KAITLAND
11-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Do any of our astrologers see a confession?

Even without relying on actual charts, I do not see Casey confessing - at least anytime soon. All the A's are lawyered up and firmly entrenched in saving Casey. When/if TES finds Caylee, they will go into BLAME LE mode in a huge way......"LE refused to find Caylee so someone else killed her..."the nanny" killed Caylee....they didn't followup on all our leads, it's LE's fault....Casey didn't do this". They will maintain that position as long as possible. The existing forensics connect the dots to Casey, even if they are not "perfect". And as her freedom (mars/uranus conj in Sagittarius-the-sign-of-freedom) is of primary import to her, she would cooperate somewhat to LESSEN HER JAIL TIME. She does not currently believe she will remain incarcerated. When party girl understands she will be behind bars for DECADES then she will absolutely crack and "break" as she so insists she will not do. The only time she cried in court was when she realized she wasn't going home!

Soulscape
11-07-2008, 12:36 PM
Got a PM from Soulscape with TM b'date of 12/11/46 Dickinson TX...do we know this is confirmed??????? Looking at contacts between Tim & Caylee off top of my head: His sun/mars in sag on her pluto; his jupiter/venus in scorpio straddling her 4th house cusp with mercury sitting in it; his 8th house saturn/pluto in leo on her 12th house saturn/mercury/sun! i'm sure he feels she is literally speaking to him from the grave; his libra MH on her moon/jupiter. This is sunrise chart. Powerful.

<<Respectfully snipped & bolded>>

Kaitland, MiraclesHappen tracked down TM's birth date, Post #113 on this thread (see post below).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2892732&postcount=113

The date of birth has not been confirmed. I used Dickinson TX as that is where Tim's organization Equusearch is located. Despite the fact we likely have the wrong place of birth, the Sunrise Chart for him is, as you expressed, powerful.

Sagittarius, as half man half horse is a most fitting sign for him and his organization named after the horse, Equusearch.

Thanks,
Soulscape

OakIceShimmer
11-07-2008, 12:58 PM
Casey was not in court for the hearing. However, the judge did agree to continue the check fraud hearing until Dec. 11. See related story (http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/28/casey_anthony_to_be_arraigned_for_murder.html)

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/6/texas_equusearch_resumes_caylee_search.html

Dolce171
11-07-2008, 02:42 PM
Just a word about chills because it just happened again. It comes home to me that the child in the TES chart is Caylee or that Caylee is directing the child. And the chills overwhelmed me this afternoon when I looked at it and just now again. Mercury is in the House of Spirit Form, H. 11. This Mercury is precisely opposite the afflicted Mars in Caylee's natal and sextile that awful conjunction of Saturn (6°) & Mars in the chart of the first arrest. I saw that as maltreatment as it was very active on the Cusp of the child's H. 6 (Cusp of H. 10 in the unturned arrest chart).

I resist thinking about this Dolce171, but the mistreatment has come out in chart after chart. Do you remember the witnesses who reported that Caylee would awaken at those night parties with tears in her eyes and start to cry and then go back to sleep? The Xanax possibility is being explored. Certainly Caylee was never free of the Neptunian influence from her H. of health and routines, so I suspect Xanax and similar potions over months.

Caylee :angel: is speaking to you as well Tuba.

I am shying away from allowing my thoughts to wrap around all the abuse that poor angel received from her mother. It is really beyond comprehension for me and I just can't seem to let my mind take me there. And now that KC has had several days and many hours in solitude - I wonder have any of her thoughts taken her back to what she has done and what she did to Caylee over and over again?

As tragic as this all has been - this sweet child is finally at peace and in the arms of our Lord. There is no better place. I can sense her twirling around in a dance, her fingers holding on to the hem of her tulle skirt and her eyes are bright and filled with sparkle.

I somehow feel that her spirit will play a great role in leading the group this weekend during the search. I hope that all ears will be open to hear her whisper =).

Recovering-Lurker
11-07-2008, 02:48 PM
Caylee :angel: is speaking to you as well Tuba.

I am shying away from allowing my thoughts to wrap around all the abuse that poor angel received from her mother. It is really beyond comprehension for me and I just can't seem to let my mind take me there. And now that KC has had several days and many hours in solitude - I wonder have any of her thoughts taken her back to what she has done and what she did to Caylee over and over again?

As tragic as this all has been - this sweet child is finally at peace and in the arms of our Lord. There is no better place. I can sense her twirling around in a dance, her fingers holding on to the hem of her tulle skirt and her eyes are bright and filled with sparkle.

I somehow feel that her spirit will play a great role in leading the group this weekend during the search. I hope that all ears will be open to hear her whisper =).

*bold by me*
Your post gave me goosebumps and made my eyes start to fill with tears. :blowkiss: Come home sweet Caylee!!!

Dolce171
11-07-2008, 03:00 PM
*bold by me*
Your post gave me goosebumps and made my eyes start to fill with tears. :blowkiss: Come home sweet Caylee!!!

If you look back a few posts (Tuba's) - you will see that you are not alone when it comes to having the goosebumps. We all seem to share an incredible connection to precious Caylee.

Soulscape
11-07-2008, 03:16 PM
Story below at this link:


http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/17805.html

Casey Anthony's Computer Seized And Examined

As the search for 2 year old Caylee Anthony continues, investigators in the case seized and examined her mother's laptop computer and found evidence that Casey Anthony visited a number of missing children websites prior to Caylee's disappearance.

According to reports at the National Enquirer Casey Anthony was educating herself about police work following the report of a missing child.

The publication also alleged that Casey Anthony used her laptop computer to research how to make chloroform at home, a substance that can be used to subdue and kill.

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, told the National Enquirer, "The missing children’s sites are a big clue. She’s searching for answers she’s
going to give to police about why her child is missing, studying how searches for missing children are done – perhaps to learn how to hide a body so searchers don’t find it – and who she could blame for the crime. You combine that with her searches for chloroform, and her computer shows the methodology of murder — a premeditated murder plan."

...(more at link above)


Never underestimate the power of Pluto, which as we know, has been relentlessly squaring KC's Sun.

Godspeed & Godlight to Tim Miller & Team this weekend.

Kaitland, have you had the chance to look at KC's progs/transits over the next 3 months (maybe even through her March birthday)?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-07-2008, 05:59 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SparkysHoraryTES010.jpg

This is the horary Sparky posed regarding tomorrow's all-in search. She will be participating and lives in Orlando.

KAITLAND
11-07-2008, 06:15 PM
Tuba - does the 0 degree rising mean the chart is invalid? I don't have much experience in doing horary charts (almost none) but I thought the "rules" say chart can't be read if ascendant is 0-5 degrees because "it's too early to tell"?

KAITLAND
11-07-2008, 06:20 PM
Forgot to say GOOD LUCK & GOD BLESS Sparky. I'll be praying for you and all the other searchers to be safe and successful. ---Kait

Tuba
11-07-2008, 06:39 PM
Much has changed since I asked "Where is Caylee?" months ago. Her remains at that time were near water but now appear to require raising. The Moon in this horary has recently paralleled Mercury which means the remains moved. In Pisces and parallel the Scorpio planet, this was due to change in wetland conditions.

In the horoscope of the initial arrest, the Part of Find was 1:56 Pisces and for this horary, the Moon now holds that place. From above one can see that where the original digging was done is embankment territory. What I mean is that if a stake or a flag was stuck in the ground where the shoveling and spading was done, an aerial view would reveal that the soil was part of a bank. Unfortunately, we have no such markers.

The very tall pine, the yellow flowers, the deteriorated bronze-black piece of plastic are location clues. Still refining the opening to the slush ground.

Tuba
11-07-2008, 06:49 PM
Because this is a horary and not an event, 0°45 does mean it is too early to tell, meaning to answer this question. But many astrologers have found that 0° and also 29° don't prohibit a valid answer. Joan McEvers is one of those and she has a book on the subject of horaries and lectures on horaries.

Still, the chart does tell us that we are missing certain information that would lead to the remains because the ASC is so early. We'll just do the best we can with what we have.

FifthEssence
11-07-2008, 07:39 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SparkysHoraryTES010.jpg

This is the horary Sparky posed regarding tomorrow's all-in search. She will be participating and lives in Orlando.



TUBA...we have some 'intuitives' spiritually sensitive WS members that will be participating in the search this weekend and I believe they will be checking on this thread.

Please, ANYTHING, ANY thought, idea, visual that comes to mind as you,Soulscape and Kaitland work the charts, PLEASE post the details for all to SEE.


From all our lips to GOD's ears, we ask you Lord to please open our eyes and fine tune our ears so we can find this precious child of Yours.

Soulscape
11-07-2008, 07:59 PM
When, where and at what time did Sparky ask her question? I have gone through this thread and cannot find the post.

I have a thought, perhaps we can look at the chart for the date/time/place Sparky herself asked the question, since that is when it was weighing most potently on her mind. Perhaps this chart could provide additional insight.

Sparky, please give your physical geographical location of where you were when you asked the question. Repeat your exact question as well as time and date (or link to the post containing this information).

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-07-2008, 08:04 PM
When, where and at what time did Sparky ask her question? I have gone through this thread and cannot find the post.

I have a thought, perhaps we can look at the chart for the date/time/place Sparky herself asked the question, since that is when it was weighing most potently on her mind. Perhaps this chart could provide additional insight.

Sparky, please give your physical geographical location of where you were when you asked the question. Repeat your exact question as well as time and date (or link to the post containing this information).

Thanks,
Soulscape

SCROLL up to post # 220 on this page for question and time. SPARKY lives in Florida, Tuba said in post# 229 she lives in Orlando

Tuba
11-07-2008, 08:14 PM
I thought maybe the military and police members of the team might make a discovery, so I calculated that Part. There were no outstanding aspects until very early Sunday morning when I believe police will be visiting the scene as members of the force, LE. Like 6 a.m.

In Sparky's chart, the Moon is making a fortunate trine to the H. of the dead, which has 1:02 Cancer on the cusp. This helps the search. The Moon is sextile Pluto of hidden knowledge, and that also helps the search. Talking Pluto, Mercury on Saturday will be on KC's own Pluto trine EquuSearch Chart Part of Find, exactly. So what she alone has known is slowly being uncovered.

Naturally, KC's Pluto opposite Caylee's Mars was an unfortunate connection between them, eliciting drastic measures and sadistic impulses from Pluto. An enduring imprint on the spirit also known as a revenant. Returning to visit the scene and lend direction.

The Part of Military and Police is 26:10 Virgo.

Tuba
11-07-2008, 08:15 PM
Soulscape, that is the time and place I used. She asked the question this morning.

Soulscape
11-07-2008, 08:18 PM
Soulscape, that is the time and place I used. She asked the question this morning.

I just realized that, sorry! For some reason I thought you were using date of search.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-07-2008, 08:29 PM
Many weeks ago, I explained that I had asked my own horary before coming to our astro thread and that I was handicapped because I live on the other coast, so there is no part of Florida that is near neighborhood to me and that department of potential answers was foreclosed to me. Nevertheless, I posted my chart and analysis for what it was worth.

At that time, Sparky suggested that someone like herself, living in Orlando, would be the ideal questioner and I agreed but said it would be better for another astrologer to
answer her question since I had already approached the oracle, so to speak. There are strictures against asking the same q. twice. No one offered to do her chart.

Now we are at the gate. She is one of the searchers. She asked me for more tips, clues and information this morning and I recorded the time. When I got home, I cast the chart for her time & place, as noted at the top of the horary.

Tuba
11-07-2008, 08:36 PM
Yes, I did do an Event Chart for the Texas EquuSearch, which launches at 8 a.m., November 8 and it is on page 4 of this thread at #86. In this new horary analysis, I compared the two.

Theonly1
11-07-2008, 08:37 PM
If I ask a directional question can anyone try and see what comes up? Our family has property off of Judge Road, in what direction and how far is Caylee located from that location? [Obviously, I live in Orlando. :)]

KAITLAND
11-07-2008, 08:48 PM
I wish I could offer more, but I have way too little experience with horary charts. I'm sending positive thoughts, prayers....

Tuba
11-07-2008, 08:50 PM
That is an excellent question which does not require a separate chart. The land to search is low lying and very prone to flooding. Bank of water, bayou, swamp. Expect growth not barren ground.

Your r.p. is at Judge Road and what cross road, fwy or street? Since I have not visited Orlando, I will have to consult a map but need a coordinate. Judge Rd. at.....?

Sparky
11-07-2008, 09:24 PM
When, where and at what time did Sparky ask her question? I have gone through this thread and cannot find the post.

I have a thought, perhaps we can look at the chart for the date/time/place Sparky herself asked the question, since that is when it was weighing most potently on her mind. Perhaps this chart could provide additional insight.

Sparky, please give your physical geographical location of where you were when you asked the question. Repeat your exact question as well as time and date (or link to the post containing this information).

Thanks,
Soulscape


7:58 am 11/07 Tuba as we searchers begin our quest on Sat to bring Caylee home, is there anything besides the pines and yellow flowers we should look for? Thank you.


Latitude = 28.4918, Longitude = -81.2966
Lat = 28 degrees, 29.5 minutes North
Long = 81 degrees, 17.8 minutes West

FifthEssence
11-07-2008, 09:33 PM
Tuba and Soulscape...we're keeping you plenty busy this evening....many many thanks.
QUESTION: Could a question be asked as to Caylee's location if you used the A's house longitude and latitude for tomorrow?

Theonly1
11-07-2008, 09:44 PM
That is an excellent question which does not require a separate chart. The land to search is low lying and very prone to flooding. Bank of water, bayou, swamp. Expect growth not barren ground.

Your r.p. is at Judge Road and what cross road, fwy or street? Since I have not visited Orlando, I will have to consult a map but need a coordinate. Judge Rd. at.....?

Do it for Judge Road and Conway Road. Our neighborhood is off Judge.

Coincidentally, the command center is literally down the street!

Soulscape
11-07-2008, 10:25 PM
7:58 am 11/07 Tuba as we searchers begin our quest on Sat to bring Caylee home, is there anything besides the pines and yellow flowers we should look for? Thank you.


Latitude = 28.4918, Longitude = -81.2966
Lat = 28 degrees, 29.5 minutes North
Long = 81 degrees, 17.8 minutes West

Thank you Sparky. Tuba used your information to cast her chart, I misunderstood, thinking she had used November 8 (start of search). Sorry for the confusion.

I looked at the chart Tuba cast and compared to Caylee's and Casey's. I noticed something, I don't know if it's important. Let me backtrack for a moment...

In Caylee's natal (timed) chart, she has SUN at 16:57 Leo. Her 4th house cusp (the end of life, the grave) is 17:37 Scorpio. Ceres (the mother) conjoins her 4th House cusp at 16:51 Scorpio, exactly squaring natal Sun. (I had posted on one of the previous Astro threads about the natal promise of harm from the mother and how this configuration supported that theory...).

In Sparky's chart, the SUN is at 15:29 Scorpio, conjunct Caylee's natal CERES (the mother) and 4th House cusp (end of life/ the grave) and square Caylee's natal SUN (life).

Here's what struck me (creepily, I may add): would KC have been egotistical (Sun) enough to leave something belonging to herself, the mother (CERES) with Caylee "at the grave" (4th House Cusp)?

I don't know if this will be helpful, but throw it out there anyway, just in case...

I also noted in the chart cast for Sparky's question that the SUN applies sextile (beneficial) to both Jupiter (the searchers) and Saturn (bones), and Saturn (bones) trines Jupiter in Capricorn and in fact, disposits Jupiter. So it seems hopeful the searchers (Jupiter) will recover bones (Jupiter trine Saturn). I saw this Jupiter-Saturn connection in the Search chart (November 8th @ 8:00 am) also...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-07-2008, 10:26 PM
Isn't it true that TES will have set areas to search? That is what I understand. but if foot scouts are free to follow their own guidance, the horary shows that north is the direction to explore. I realise this does not conform to the largest number of pings but that is the answer from the chart. As far as the N-S line, that is on target.

What may be best, since the search is going to follow an orderly methodical progression is to conform. Exhaust the southern area, following TM & team leader directions, and then when everything that can be accomplished has been, go north.

Sparky
11-07-2008, 11:39 PM
Thank you both. I understand what both of you are saying. Wish us all luck and say a prayer. I will check back in tomorrow nite.