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shadowraiths
11-11-2008, 05:23 AM
New developments in unsolved Jennings murders
By Lee Peck
November 11, 2008

New developments into the investigation of the six unsolved deaths of Jennings women. Authorities confirm the identity of the sixth body found in the Jennings area since 2005 as 24-year-old Crystal Benoit Zeno. DNA confirmed it was Zeno's badly decomposed body that was discovered September 11th off Lacour Road.

A preliminary autopsy ruled her death as a homicide. Meanwhile a full autopsy and toxicology are still pending. Investigators will continue to compare evidence from Zeno's case to the other five victims. Anyone who knows Zeno's whereabouts after Wednesday August 27th is asked to contact their local law enforcement agency.

Now to the search for 17-year-old Brittney Gary. Sunday will mark a week since her disappearance. 7 News was there Saturday afternoon as volunteers continued their search, including a private investigator now employed to look into the rash of unsolved murders.
Full article: click here (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9317692&nav=0nqxHmI6)

gaia227
11-11-2008, 12:01 PM
It is interesting that the latest girl to go missing was a cousin of one of the victims and a good friend of another. Simply a coincidence or was she targeted?

colette
11-11-2008, 12:40 PM
In a small town of 10,000, it looks like the serial killer is one of them. It's amazing that no one has been caught, since it seems most the victims knew each other. He is hiding in plain sight and knows just where to hide the bodies. They need to find this latest girl while there is still evidence. Thanks, Shadowraiths for the update.

MeoW333
11-11-2008, 01:13 PM
That's definitely a serial killer at work there. It's surprising they won't involve the FBI. Sounds like a one horse town of which the sheriff's office doesn't have the knowledge or funds to investigate the murders properly.
If Brittany went missing with a cell phone on her; why wasn't the cell phone pinged?

MeoW333
11-11-2008, 01:14 PM
Do we have a thread for all 6 of these murders together? It's no doubt a serial killer at work.

OkGrace
11-11-2008, 01:42 PM
In a small town of 10,000, it looks like the serial killer is one of them. It's amazing that no one has been caught, since it seems most the victims knew each other. He is hiding in plain sight and knows just where to hide the bodies. They need to find this latest girl while there is still evidence. Thanks, Shadowraiths for the update.

I am amazed, really. Six girls and one disapears who is related to one and friends with another, just does not seem a unrelated.

Soulmagent
11-11-2008, 01:56 PM
As her mother takes action, she's worried her daughter may be the latest victim in the string of unsolved deaths of Jennings women. She was the cousin of one of the victims as well as a friend to several others, and Brittney had expressed concern to her mother.

"She was scared, she was like you don't know who you can trust anymore, they can be your friend. You just never know," said Brittney's mother Teresa Gary.
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9317692&nav=0nqxHmI6

I copied this from the link Shadow posted.
It made me wonder who else this girl would have expressed this concern to.

AmandaBrown23
11-11-2008, 02:20 PM
Im glad someone posted this. I live in Lake Charles where most of the news is coming from. Its so sad that they havent caught the guy yet. I hope they find the girl alive but its not looking too good.

shadowraiths
11-11-2008, 02:40 PM
Jennings murder investigation update
KATC
November 11, 2008

51-year-old Frankie Richard and his niece, 22-year-old Hannah Conner are in jail charged with killing one of the victims, 21-year-old Kristin Gary Lopez. Neither one of the two is a stranger to police.

[...]

So far detectives haven't been able to connect Ernestine Patterson, Loretta Lynn Prejean, or Whitnei Dubois to the two suspects. However, witnesses say they saw Richard with Whitnei Dubois in the last few days she was alive.
Full article: click here (http://www.katc.com/global/story.asp?s=6533619)

I tried finding information regarding the aforementioned victims but was unable to find anything on the web, usenet, or in any news paper archives. Given the number of victims per capita (i.e., small town) in the short time-frame (under 3 years), I'm surprised there is so little info out there.

Btw, and as an aside to the person wondering why the FBI isn't involved. The are. From the original article:

Also working the case is the FBI. Teresa was questioned by them on Friday and says they're not counting anyone out in Brittney's disappearance.

MeoW333
11-11-2008, 02:48 PM
:doh:That was my slight; i forgot i had read about the FBI in the article..
I wonder if they will find the man and his niece responsible in the other murders as well..

shadowraiths
11-11-2008, 04:34 PM
Woman's Body Found in Local Canal
Posted: September 12, 2008
Updated: September 29, 2008
By Britney Glaser

*The first body was found in May 2005 by a fisherman in the Grand Marais drainage canal off LA 1126. The victim was identified as 29-year-old Loretta Lynn Chaisson Lewis of Jennings.

*The second victim was found in June 2005, floating in a drainage canal off LA 102. The victim is identified as 30-year-old Ernestine Marie Daniel Patterson of Jennings.

*The third victim was found in March 2007, by a fisherman in the Petitjean Canal off LA 99. The victim is identified as 21-year-old Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez of Jennings.

*The fourth victim was found in May 2007, near the intersection of Bobby and Earl Duhon Roads. The victim is identified as 26-year-old Whitnei Charlene Dubois of Jennings.

*The fifth victim was found in May 2008, by a city police officer off East Racca Road. The victim is identified as 23-year-old Laconia Shontel "Muggy" Brown of Jennings.
Full article: click here (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?s=8998071)
Also see: Crystal Benoit Zeno (http://american-press.net/wpStorm/?p=835)
Whitnei Charlene Dubois (http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/archive.php?ac=t&forumid=122532&date=08-24-2008&t=1624752-1)

capoly
11-16-2008, 03:48 AM
7th body found in Jeff Davis Parish
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081115/NEWS01/81115023


Body discovered believed to be missing Jennings teen


http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9357379&nav=menu66_2

Jefferson Davis officials wonder if they have serial killer

Pics of girls.


http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160314

MeoW333
11-16-2008, 10:16 AM
Are they incompetent or what? Obviously it's the work of a serial killer!
"And although all the dead women used drugs - most commonly, crack cocaine - and sometimes traded sex for drugs, spent time in jail, knew each other and were disposed of in similar ways, authorities hesitate to say a serial killer is responsible for their deaths."
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160314

mahmoo
11-16-2008, 12:09 PM
This article has some additional information about these murders http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160332&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

From above article (bolding mine):

Patterson was the only official homicide until this year when LaConia "Muggy" Brown, 23, was found in the middle of a gravel road on the city/parish border just hours after she was last seen.

She was doused in bleach but died from what Edwards said was a slit throat. The gravel road leads to a police shooting range, guaranteeing that a police officer would find the body.

capoly
11-16-2008, 12:09 PM
Are they incompetent or what? Obviously it's the work of a serial killer! "And although all the dead women used drugs - most commonly, crack cocaine - and sometimes traded sex for drugs, spent time in jail, knew each other and were disposed of in similar ways, authorities hesitate to say a serial killer is responsible for their deaths."
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160314 (my bold)



LOL I can't trust myself to post anything more than the news article/url with stories like this as I'm sure any personal comment would get me banned!


7 young women dead in 3 years and "Jefferson Davis officials wonder if they have serial killer". That's cartoonist material.


I know the 7 deaths don't automatically mean it's a serial killer but "wondering" should have kicked in long before now.


AmandaBrown23, It says Brittany had a 5+ block walk from the store to her home. "Blocks" makes me think the area was a populated one....stores and homes etc. Do you know if that's right? Thanks.

capoly
11-16-2008, 12:51 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=644&pictureid=4801

theadvertiser.com

AmandaBrown23
11-16-2008, 12:58 PM
(my bold)



LOL I can't trust myself to post anything more than the news article/url with stories like this as I'm sure any personal comment would get me banned!


7 young women dead in 3 years and "Jefferson Davis officials wonder if they have serial killer". That's cartoonist material.


I know the 7 deaths don't automatically mean it's a serial killer but "wondering" should have kicked in long before now.


AmandaBrown23, It says Brittany had a 5+ block walk from the store to her home. "Blocks" makes me think the area was a populated one....stores and homes etc. Do you know if that's right? Thanks.


Im pretty sure it was pretty populated. There isnt much open space out in Jennings, its not very big at all. I am so sad to hear that the girl may have been found dead. Her mom was on the news here and it broke my heart. She was crying so hard and she just knew the serial killer got her.

AmandaBrown23
11-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Im pretty sure it was pretty populated. There isnt much open space out in Jennings, its not very big at all. I am so sad to hear that the girl may have been found dead. Her mom was on the news here and it broke my heart. She was crying so hard and she just knew the serial killer got her.

What really concerns me is that one of this girls family members was murdered by the serial killer, so if someone picked her up obviously she knew them.

mahmoo
11-16-2008, 03:15 PM
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160323

More interesting info from the above link (bolding mine):Brittney's cousin, Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez, was the third victim, and her best friend, fourth victim LaConia Shontel "Muggy" Brown, died earlier this year.


A week before Brittney went missing, a serial killer profiler told a private investigator that another girl would be killed before Christmas.


Every one of the victims is connected to the Gary family in some way, and Teresa Gary said they knew all of them. The second victim, Ernesteine Marie Daniel Patterson, was one of Teresa Gary's employees at Wendy's.


The family had returned to Jennings less than a week before Brittney's disappearance after living with family in Houston and Lufkin, Texas, for four months. Her daughter had done drugs in the past, Gary said, but was clean while they lived in Texas.

MeoW333
11-16-2008, 07:50 PM
Here's a link to the census & website for Jennings, a population of 10,986 people with the town of Jennings 10.24 square miles of land and 1,072.61 people per square mile.
It is a small town.

Here's the link:
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popInfo.php?locIndex=3420

AdoraBlue
11-17-2008, 07:42 AM
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081116/NEWS03/811160306/1062
JENNINGS — More than three years ago, Jefferson Davis Parish authorities began investigating the deaths of Jennings women who were known to live illicit lifestyles.

All the women were in their 20s and had escalated levels of cocaine and alcohol in their bodies when they were found in rural but public areas of the small, poor parish.

With a seventh body found Saturday that is suspected to be that of the 17-year-old relative of one of the victims, officials are investigating tips but are without a lead suspect. (emphasis added)

Lengthy article and timeline at link.



http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081116/NEWS03/811160304/1062
Serial murder not unfamiliar to S. La.

impatientredhead
11-17-2008, 08:19 AM
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160323

More interesting info from the above link (bolding mine):Brittney's cousin, Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez, was the third victim, and her best friend, fourth victim LaConia Shontel "Muggy" Brown, died earlier this year.


A week before Brittney went missing, a serial killer profiler told a private investigator that another girl would be killed before Christmas.


Every one of the victims is connected to the Gary family in some way, and Teresa Gary said they knew all of them. The second victim, Ernesteine Marie Daniel Patterson, was one of Teresa Gary's employees at Wendy's.


The family had returned to Jennings less than a week before Brittney's disappearance after living with family in Houston and Lufkin, Texas, for four months. Her daughter had done drugs in the past, Gary said, but was clean while they lived in Texas.


Very interesting that all the victims tie back to this one family. Any matching cases in Lufkin Texas in the last four months?

AdoraBlue
11-17-2008, 08:27 AM
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081117/NEWS01/81117010
Will a mod please merge with this thread:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74807

I called myself searching before I started a thread but didn't find it. :confused:

Thanks.

MeoW333
11-17-2008, 08:43 AM
:woohoo: It's about time LE has "decided" there is a serial killer!

"All the women were in their 20s and had escalated levels of cocaine and alcohol in their bodies when they were found in rural but public areas of the small, poor parish."
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081116/NEWS03/811160306/1062

I wonder if the killer watched their daily habits and would strike after they had got high.

capoly
11-17-2008, 11:32 AM
What really concerns me is that one of this girls family members was murdered by the serial killer, so if someone picked her up obviously she knew them.

Very interesting that all the victims tie back to this one family. Any matching cases in Lufkin Texas in the last four months?


Been thinking along those lines also. Between the friends/relative murdered and her mother saying "She was scared, she was like you don't know who you can trust anymore, they can be your friend. You just never know,".....it doesn't seem like she'd hop in any ole car.

In Jennings 11/2 the weather was clear, sunset was at 5:22PM with twilight ending at 5:47PM. According to the video Brittany left the store around 5:30 to walk 5 blocks to her home. Darkness is just setting in, don't know if there's street lights or not. The walk from store to home was simple....like an upside down L...no parks, alleys etc. Walk time is estimated @ around 10 mins. And Google map shows S Doyle as a populated steet.

Does make one wonder.


ETA Was thinking car...wouldn't have to be...wondering if any "trusted" individual lived between store and home?

capoly
11-17-2008, 01:18 PM
"It was a feeling we had," said Gary's uncle, Butch Gary. He organized the search parties and combed rural central-Jefferson Davis Parish, where the six other women were found..."
"Authorities searched over the same area the family has searched with infra-red cameras and came up empty, meaning Brittney's body might not have been there long before searchers found it."

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160323


In the location of victims map/post 16, bodies 1, 2, 4, 5 & 6 are kind of clustered directly south of Jennings & and range from 1+ miles (5) to 5+ miles (4) from S Doyle St. The closest body (5) was the one doused in bleach and left in the road by the police shooting range.

Brittany (7) is 9+miles and her cousin is (3) is 16 miles from S Doyle St. Both are to the SW of Jennings.

Kind of a separation from the rest.....perhaps intentional?

Also no bodies were found in 2006.


From kplctv:

"I can tell you that we are investigating some leads and that we do have a short list of persons of interest and that we're working on the case day and night," said Mallett.

Also working the case is the FBI. Teresa was questioned by them on Friday and says they're not counting anyone out in Brittney's disappearance.

"In the end, they need me to take a lie detector test to rule all that out and I don't have a problem with that at all, but it hurts that they would think that, but I guess it's their job," said Teresa.

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9317692&nav=0nqxHmI6

Not thinking it's Teresa but do wonder if all family members will be as obliging re test.

SeriouslySearching
11-17-2008, 01:37 PM
I think they should also take into account while it could be family...it could also be a policeman or someone who works closely with them on these cases. The body being found on the way to the police shooting range is a huge clue, imo.

I wasn't aware of these cases and it is very disturbing to see the inability to close in on a perp when you have so many in a small cluster who are related in some way.

fran
11-17-2008, 02:09 PM
This case is disturbing in that it's in such a small town, similar mo (IMO), and what should be a small # of possible suspects. This reminds me of years ago when I lived in the Pacific Northwest and periodically we'd hear about one, two, or three bodies found along the Green River. Then nothing and years went by and suddenly. :(

It's like the person doing it KNOWS that no one will investigate this fully because of the 'life style' of the victims and the 'lack' of clues, ie dna etc.

IMHO, the FBI needs to look at this from the OUTSIDE-IN, leaving NO ONE, who lives in the area, out as a suspect. ;)

There's clues here. LOTS of clues.

JMHO
fran

STEADFAST
11-17-2008, 03:22 PM
From May of 2007:

51-year-old Frankie Richard and 22-year-old Hannah Conner, both of Jennings, were booked Wednesday on second degree murder charges.
This arrest is connected to the murder of Kristen Gary Lopez.
Deputies say Lopez's nude body was found in a rural area of the parish in March of 2007.
The investigation into her death did not lead to any arrests until now.
Investigators say the names of the two suspects, whom are uncle and niece, have come up often in this investigation.

. . . Sheriff Edwards is now saying that Conner may also be connected to three other murders dating back two years.
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6527079

I wonder what happened with this?

And also from May of 2007
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6568824
There is new information on the homicide investigation of Kristen Gary Lopez.
Investigators have made another arrest. 31-year-old Tracee Chaisson of Jennings, has been booked into the Jennings jail, charged with accessory after the fact.
Chaisson was interviewed on several occasions and was the person who reported Lopez missing.



Chaisson is the last name of one of the victims, right? But not the one she's been arrested about. I wonder how they're related? Also, this Tracee Chaisson got married this May to Dennis Egelston, Jr. http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/weds.php?id=32

SeriouslySearching
11-17-2008, 05:09 PM
So are the uncle and niece in any way related to the victims? I know the article just mentions they were in the drug ring.

capoly
11-17-2008, 06:50 PM
From May of 2007:

51-year-old Frankie Richard and 22-year-old Hannah Conner, both of Jennings, were booked Wednesday on second degree murder charges.
This arrest is connected to the murder of Kristen Gary Lopez.
Deputies say Lopez's nude body was found in a rural area of the parish in March of 2007.
The investigation into her death did not lead to any arrests until now.
Investigators say the names of the two suspects, whom are uncle and niece, have come up often in this investigation.

. . . Sheriff Edwards is now saying that Conner may also be connected to three other murders dating back two years.
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6527079

I wonder what happened with this?

And also from May of 2007
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6568824
There is new information on the homicide investigation of Kristen Gary Lopez.
Investigators have made another arrest. 31-year-old Tracee Chaisson of Jennings, has been booked into the Jennings jail, charged with accessory after the fact.
Chaisson was interviewed on several occasions and was the person who reported Lopez missing.



Chaisson is the last name of one of the victims, right? But not the one she's been arrested about. I wonder how they're related? Also, this Tracee Chaisson got married this May to Dennis Egelston, Jr. http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/weds.php?id=32




I read an article...or something... that said Hannah was released and moved out of Jennings...possibly out of State. And that Richard was released and is now deceased. Thought I placed it under Favorites but can't find it...probably because half the internets there... will post link when found.

capoly
11-17-2008, 07:08 PM
I do have the article but don't know if it can be placed here in due to copyright. Anyone know?



American Press (Lake Charles, LA) - July 31, 2007

Rape charges dropped Alleged victim drops complaint against man once suspected in Jeff Davis slaying
JENNINGS - Rape charges have been dismissed against a local man who was a suspect in the death of one of four women whose bodies were dumped in rural parts of Jeff Davis Parish over the past two years. The charges were dismissed Monday against Frankie Richard, 52, of Jennings, after the alleged victim dropped her complaint. Richard was released from the parish jail shortly after 3 p.m. Monday. The charge stemmed from an incident that occurred earlier this year.

"Second-degree murder charges against Richard and his niece, Hannah Conner, 22, of Jennings, were dismissed in May after authorities received conflicting statements from witness Tracee Lynn Chaisson, 32, of Jennings."

and other of interest:

"Richard has been interviewed in three of the four cases because he was reportedly seen with the women in the final days of their lives. Conner was seen with Lopez in her last days, authorities said.

Manslaughter charges were dismissed earlier this year against two local men who were accused of being involved in the slaying of the second victim, Ernestine Marie Daniel Patterson, 30, of Jennings.

Byron Chad Jones and Lawrence Nixon were indicted last year, but the charges were dropped because of a lack of evidence."


.........
Lopez's body was found March 18 by a fisherman in the Petitjean Canal near Cherokee Road, just off La. 99, about 10 miles south of Welsh. She was last seen March 5 and was reported missing 10 days later.

capoly
11-17-2008, 07:47 PM
I think they should also take into account while it could be family...it could also be a policeman or someone who works closely with them on these cases. The body being found on the way to the police shooting range is a huge clue, imo.

I wasn't aware of these cases and it is very disturbing to see the inability to close in on a perp when you have so many in a small cluster who are related in some way.


This fella was cleared but interesting.


Detective cleared

Truck he purchased from inmate linked to March slaying
Author: DORIS MARICLE; AMERICAN PRESS
November 27, 2007

Article Text:

JENNINGS - A veteran Jeff Davis Parish sheriff's detective has been cleared of wrongdoing in connection with his purchase of a pickup truck that may have been involved in the slaying of a local woman.

The finding follows a seven-month state police investigation of Detective Warren Gary's purchase of the truck from an inmate. ..............


Gary bought the truck from Connie Siler, who had been arrested on worthless-check charges, after she was released from jail on March 30............


State police investigators were unable to get a statement from Siler, who is now in Yuba City, Calif., according to the report. .........

Siler was interviewed as a "person of interest" in three of the four slayings of young women whose bodies have been found dumped in rural parts of the parish over the last two years. .......

Gary told investigators he bought the truck for $9,000, the amount he had available without having to take out a loan. He later sold the truck for $15,000 to a grant writer - the ex-wife of a state trooper in Lake Charles - making a $6,500 profit. ........


Cassidy said it was not until after the transaction and Gary's resale of the truck that authorities learned from a witness that the truck may have been involved in the death of Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez in March. A forensic exam of the vehicle was made, at which time potential evidence was retrieved from the truck. Lab results are still pending, he said.

OrdinaryLife
11-17-2008, 08:14 PM
I know there is another thread concerning these murders, but for the life of me I can't find it.

I find it very interesting that in this small area there has been 6 murders. The possible 7th found this past weekend. Is anyone familiar with the area? There are only a half dozen or so media news blips of these women being murdered and dumped.

This sounds like a serial killer to me, though I wonder if the last young woman found this past week was a victim of opportunity. It has been said she was a family member to one of the other victims. I wonder if she may have known her killer.

capoly
11-17-2008, 08:46 PM
I know there is another thread concerning these murders, but for the life of me I can't find it.

I find it very interesting that in this small area there has been 6 murders. The possible 7th found this past weekend. Is anyone familiar with the area? There are only a half dozen or so media news blips of these women being murdered and dumped.

This sounds like a serial killer to me, though I wonder if the last young woman found this past week was a victim of opportunity. It has been said she was a family member to one of the other victims. I wonder if she may have known her killer.

Here it is......darn forget the thread title :confused: has Jennings in it for sure :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74807

OrdinaryLife
11-17-2008, 10:15 PM
Here it is......darn forget the thread title :confused: has Jennings in it for sure :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74807


Thank you so much, Capoly. I'm going to be scoping out this over the next few days. I cannot help,but wonder if there have been more murdered women that have not been linked to these over the last few years. Worth checking out, I think.

MeoW333
11-17-2008, 10:25 PM
So are the uncle and niece in any way related to the victims? I know the article just mentions they were in the drug ring.

Hi SS; it said in another article that the uncle and niece were arrested on charges of one murder and then the charges were dropped; everyone of the victims knew the Gary family..

"Every one of the victims is connected to the Gary family in some way, and Teresa Gary said they knew all of them. The second victim, Ernesteine Marie Daniel Patterson, was one of Teresa Gary's employees at Wendy's."
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160323

(being it's a smaller town; most people likely know each other in one way or another. yet that should also make it easier for LE to solve..)

MeoW333
11-17-2008, 10:30 PM
This fella was cleared but interesting.


Detective cleared

Truck he purchased from inmate linked to March slaying
Author: DORIS MARICLE; AMERICAN PRESS
November 27, 2007

Article Text:

JENNINGS - A veteran Jeff Davis Parish sheriff's detective has been cleared of wrongdoing in connection with his purchase of a pickup truck that may have been involved in the slaying of a local woman.

The finding follows a seven-month state police investigation of Detective Warren Gary's purchase of the truck from an inmate. ..............


Gary bought the truck from Connie Siler, who had been arrested on worthless-check charges, after she was released from jail on March 30............


State police investigators were unable to get a statement from Siler, who is now in Yuba City, Calif., according to the report. .........

Siler was interviewed as a "person of interest" in three of the four slayings of young women whose bodies have been found dumped in rural parts of the parish over the last two years. .......

Gary told investigators he bought the truck for $9,000, the amount he had available without having to take out a loan. He later sold the truck for $15,000 to a grant writer - the ex-wife of a state trooper in Lake Charles - making a $6,500 profit. ........


Cassidy said it was not until after the transaction and Gary's resale of the truck that authorities learned from a witness that the truck may have been involved in the death of Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez in March. A forensic exam of the vehicle was made, at which time potential evidence was retrieved from the truck. Lab results are still pending, he said.

This article is really interesting. Why would a detective buy a truck off a woman who just got out? Some kind of bargain going on there? Especially after he resells it for $6500.00!
Also; the detective's last name is Gary; any relation to Brittany or the other women who have turned up missing?
Maybe someone in the local police department has watched too much 'Dexter' or something..
How can such a small town be in denial of serial murders and not arrest anyone or come up with any decent leads? Maybe it's someone behind the badge doing the killings.

Reannan
11-17-2008, 11:14 PM
This article has some additional information about these murders http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160332&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

From above article (bolding mine):

Patterson was the only official homicide until this year when LaConia "Muggy" Brown, 23, was found in the middle of a gravel road on the city/parish border just hours after she was last seen.

She was doused in bleach but died from what Edwards said was a slit throat. The gravel road leads to a police shooting range, guaranteeing that a police officer would find the body.


I am just catching up on this story, but when I saw the bolded information that mahmoo had posted, I already had the same idea that Meow just mentioned - someone in LE is involved. Not sure why, but that thought just screamed inside my head. This is obviously a serial killer case, yet LE is in denial!!!!???? That in itself is suspicious and should be investigated. Something stinks here.

nursebeeme
11-17-2008, 11:30 PM
hey REEE! I completely agree with what you said above. Also, perhaps we should look at other "connections" these women may have had besides familyl/friends. This is a strange one indeed!

capoly
11-18-2008, 12:12 AM
Local officers keep close eye on Jefferson Davis Parish killings

Rapides Parish

He was the detective called out when "Jane Doe" was found on the side of Interstate 49 near the Lena exit. Her badly decomposed body has not been identified, nor her cause of death determined.
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160324

mahmoo
11-18-2008, 02:59 PM
Couple of items I found on Topix:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/TP3AHR3961TQE8UNBBrittany Jones
Opelousas, LA
#2 Jul 20, 2007

I am the sister of Whitnei Dubois, and I would like to first and foremost thank the person who was brave enough to speak up and make this comment. I have a very hard time myself believing that in a small town like Jennings, it is near impossible to solve 4 murders of four women. In my opinion, if these women would have been the daughters of elected officials or some of our higher class citizens of Louisiana, then maybe the job would have gotten done. Let's not forget that these girls lived very troubled lives and no one knew what they went through or what they were going through. My sister was a good person, who had just recently gotten caught up in an unhealthy lifestyle that unfortunately cost her her life. She was also the mother of a 5 yr old daughter who will never again get to see her "mommy". Now if anyone could have been the one who had to tell her on MOTHER'S DAY that her mother was not coming home or if you had to hold her as the tears rolled down her face as we put her mother into the ground then maybe people in this community would be more understanding to this tragedy.
The above post is date 2007......This next one (also from above link) doesn't have the year but I'm pretty sure it's 2008: Kirk Menard (http://www.topix.com/member/profile/kirkmenard)
“Licensed Private Investigator”
http://64.13.133.31/pics/up-TFSAQ0QLJRVQ8ANF-m (http://www.topix.com/member/profile/kirkmenard) Joined: Sun Oct 19
Jennings, Louisiana
#3 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/TP3AHR3961TQE8UNB/post3) Sunday Oct 19

We have just opened an investigation independently of any law enforcement investigation. Since we are not law enforcement officials, we have more leeway in questioning and obtaining answers to many unanswered questions. Due to confidentiality, we cannot disclose our clients but we can say that we are receiving alot more information in our first day of this investigation than they have received since the beginning of the law enforcement investigation.
Another post by PI.....his response when another poster asked how it was going.Kirk Menard
#8 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/TP3AHR3961TQE8UNB/post8) Wednesday Nov 12

It's going good. We have some leads that we've turned over to several law enforcement agencies and we are still working night and day on this.

This is another Topix link:
http://www.topix.com/city/jennings-la/2008/09/womans-body-found-near-jeff-davis-canal

A poster at Topix asked PI (Menard) if local LE needed to request additional assistance......Menard replied and then I quoted him and asked the questions below......he hasn't posted a reponse as of yet.Mahmoo
Lafayette, LA (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/lafayette-la)
#3 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/TM38DP6CIJVV5KLPL/post3)Sunday
Kirk Menard wrote:
They can and the FBI has been called in to assist but they can only do so much with the evidence they are given (hint hint)
Any chance you can expound on the "hint hint" part? Not sure if you mean local LE doesn't have much evidence to give or they are just hesitant to turn over what they do have.

What happened with the arrest (connected to the murder of Kristen Gary Lopez) of
51-year-old Frankie Richard and 22-year-old Hannah Conner in May 2007? Is Richard still alive? Is Conner still in the state?

SeriouslySearching
11-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Truck he purchased from inmate linked to March slaying
Author: DORIS MARICLE; AMERICAN PRESS
November 27, 2007

~snip~

Gary told investigators he bought the truck for $9,000, the amount he had available without having to take out a loan. He later sold the truck for $15,000 to a grant writer - the ex-wife of a state trooper in Lake Charles - making a $6,500 profit. ........Now what kind of detective has 9 grand just laying around the house?! I have known many detectives. They drove older cars and lived less than luxurious lifestyles. This seems very odd to me. What does he do as a side job?

mahmoo
11-18-2008, 03:14 PM
This fella was cleared but interesting.


Detective cleared

Truck he purchased from inmate linked to March slaying
Author: DORIS MARICLE; AMERICAN PRESS
November 27, 2007

Article Text:

JENNINGS - A veteran Jeff Davis Parish sheriff's detective has been cleared of wrongdoing in connection with his purchase of a pickup truck that may have been involved in the slaying of a local woman.

The finding follows a seven-month state police investigation of Detective Warren Gary's purchase of the truck from an inmate. ..............

Gary bought the truck from Connie Siler, who had been arrested on worthless-check charges, after she was released from jail on March 30............


Post snipped a bit........Wow, glad you found this article.......has my hinky meter going crazy!! What a coincidence is all I can say.

I'm also wondering why the latest victim, Brittney Gary, was walking alone at dark (last seen at 5:30 pm).....especially in light of the other murders not to mention the fact she had told her mother she was afraid :waitasec:.

As for the body that was found in the middle of the road on the way to the police shooting range.........sounds like whoever is doing this is taunting LE big time.

mahmoo
11-18-2008, 03:17 PM
Now what kind of detective has 9 grand just laying around the house?! I have known many detectives. They drove older cars and lived less than luxurious lifestyles. This seems very odd to me. What does he do as a side job?

Good point SS........plus, Jennings is just a little podunk town for the most part........I doubt the pay is very high.

MeoW333
11-18-2008, 04:17 PM
Now what kind of detective has 9 grand just laying around the house?! I have known many detectives. They drove older cars and lived less than luxurious lifestyles. This seems very odd to me. What does he do as a side job?

Good point SS! Especially in such a little town where median household income is $24,410.
Maybe he did some wheeling and dealing on the side.. why would he even buy the truck from someone who just got out of jail; being that the truck may have been involved in one of the slayings? hm.. 7 month investigation about the truck is a very long investigation. I can't help but wonder if he may know something or someone involved in the murders of these young women.

capoly
11-18-2008, 05:47 PM
Warren Gary
CHIEF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR

http://www.jeffdavis.net/

Wonder if that's a recent promotion?

Also this paragraph goes with the Detective cleared/truck story:

State police investigators were unable to get a statement from Siler, who is now in Yuba City, Calif., according to the report. Gary and Warden Terry Guillory told investigators that Siler offered to sell the truck to Gary after being notified by Jeff Davis Bank of its impending foreclosure on the truck because of overdue payments.

Gary and Guillory allegedly drove the woman to a bank in Lake Arthur in a Sheriff's Office vehicle to complete the transaction after she was released from jail.


Before Gary purchased the vehicle, "he had no knowledge that the vehicle was possibly a crime scene," according to the report. Gary had bought the truck to replace another vehicle, but did not like the gas mileage and sold it.
-----
Okay, the truck sale had nothing to do with it being tied to a murder or the $6,500 profit. :waitasec:

And is anyone else impressed by how accommodating the Warden & Det. Gary were with Ms. Silver? Right to the bank after release!

------------------------------

Sorry to posts bits and pieces but I think there be a copyright issue if full article is posted.

mahmoo
11-18-2008, 11:42 PM
Wow......some toasty tidbits you posted capoly......thanks.

In light of the situation, and after much searching (and not coming across a whole lot considering this started in May 2005), it seems as though these murders have kind of been kept hush-hush, on the down-low so to speak.

Bits and pieces are starting to emerge since the number of "assumed" victims is now at 7 (as far as we know) and the situation appears to have really caught the attention of journalists and media in this area.

Looks like there's a very strong possibility that Louisiana has another serial killer on the loose even though officials are reluctant to come right out and say that :waitasec:.

I've been pouring back over what little info we do have right now. I get the feeling that whoever is murdering these young women is not a druggie or drunk themselves. A person that was drugged and/or liquored up would not be able to murder and dispose of those bodies without leaving some type of evidence. Whoever is doing this had their "wits" about them. There also seems to be some merit to the fact that they're leaving the bodies where they'll be discovered rather quickly and all within close proximity of each other. All 7 bodies have been found within a very, very small radius (crime wise). I could be wrong but, I just don't think someone under the "influence" is doing this.

capoly
11-19-2008, 12:27 AM
Well here's another bit from Det/Truck article.


Gary bought the truck from Connie Siler, who had been arrested on worthless-check charges, after she was released from jail on March 30. She used the proceeds to pay off the truck loan and make restitution as part of her sentence.

The report indicates that the truck had been rented out by Siler to "two black males" in exchange for cocaine and had been found abandoned in a private driveway while Siler was in jail.
...................

I find it hard to believe this is acceptable legal behavior.

..............

Mahmoo, what are you looking for up there? LOL

capoly
11-19-2008, 01:03 AM
April 10, 2008
Section: News
Page: A01
Veteran deputy violated ethics
State board fines ex-investigator for buying truck from inmate
Author: DORIS MARICLE; AMERICAN PRESS

JENNINGS - A former chief investigator with the Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff's Office has been fined $10,000 by the Louisiana Board of Ethics for violating state ethics laws.

The board found Warren Gary violated the ethics code when he bought a truck from an inmate - a vehicle that may have been linked to a murder - and later sold it for profit.

"I received a written correspondence from the Ethics Board stating that they'd reviewed their investigation and found I was basically guilty," Gary said.

The board was scheduled to hear charges today in Baton Rouge, but the issue was removed from the agenda after Gary paid the fine and signed a consent decree agreeing to the board's finding.

mahmoo
11-19-2008, 01:31 AM
Mahmoo, what are you looking for up there? LOL

Thanksgiving, oven on, man with oven mitts looking for turkey, turkey in next room with lampshade on head (hiding)......http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif

mahmoo
11-19-2008, 01:49 AM
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=345264&page=2

Post #42 is quite an interesting read. A lot of info.

capoly
11-19-2008, 04:41 AM
Thanksgiving, oven on, man with oven mitts looking for turkey, turkey in next room with lampshade on head (hiding)......http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif



:toast: :turkey: :Justice:

capoly
11-19-2008, 04:43 AM
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=345264&page=2

Post #42 is quite an interesting read. A lot of info.

Yes, was interesting and informative.

MeoW333
11-19-2008, 11:20 AM
"..the people arrested early this year who were allegedly involved with ONE of the girls...they were release due to lack of evidence. But I say it again, when a cop was caught having sex w/a female who had been arrested for prostitution, he disclosed this along with "other information" to a P.I. The cop was arrested and given a bond of $50K which we know that $5k will get you out...I dont think he's in jail and his trial doesn't have a date yet! Now, scratching your head and going Hum?! would be appropriate.http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/smilies/cuss.gif"
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=345264&page=2
(posted by AngreeCajun on that link there)

Maelstrom5 's post in also interesting:

"..You said “The answer is under Sheriff Edward's nose...he doesn't want to see it” and by that I take it to mean the possible connection to someone in LE. I agree that is an avenue that should be pursued because that is just the type of person whose car Brittney would have gotten in to. But just because Sheriff Edwards has not mentioned that possible connection does not mean he is not looking into it, just that he does not want to go public at this time."

mahmoo
11-19-2008, 12:58 PM
Though there hasn't been many details released about the COD on the murdered women, it has been divulged that one of the women had their throat slit (Ernestine Patterson). It was also known that LaConia Brown had been doused with bleach. What wasn't previously released (until this article was published) http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=124908DFA201B810&p_docnum=3&p_theme=gannett&s_site=theadvertiser&p_product=LADB was that LaConia Brown ALSO had her throat slit. The info was buried within this article and it really caught my eye so I sent an email to the journalist that wrote the article to verify that the info was in fact true.

From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:33 PM
To: tmacias@theadvertiser.com
Subject: Brittney Gary Death

Hello there,

I'm a big "crime junkie" and long-time poster at Websleuths.com. I have been following the Jennings case about the seven women that have been murdered. I have a question about your article (snipped below) that was published in the Advertiser on November 16th. Less than a month after Chaisson's body was found, Ernestine Marie Daniel Patterson, 29, was found floating in a drainage canal a couple miles southeast of Jennings. Her death was later ruled as a homicide; her throat was slit.

Patterson was the only official homicide until this year when LaConia "Muggy" Brown, 23, was found in the middle of a gravel road on the city/parish border just hours after she was last seen.
She was doused in bleach but died from what Edwards said was a slit throat. The gravel road leads to a police shooting range, guaranteeing that a police officer would find the body.
I had read somewhere else that Patterson's throat was slit but this is the first time I've read that Brown's throat was slit. Has it been verified that 2 of the women had their throats slit? I may have misunderstood your article so that's why I decided to inquire.

This is journalist's response to my e-mail:

I think I am the first person to write that Muggy’s throat was slit, that’s why I made sure to explicitly attribute the sheriff to this. I checked my interview tape, too, before I wrote that. Both Ernestine and Muggy definitely died of slit throats.

capoly
11-20-2008, 12:03 AM
November 28, 2005
Section: Local Region
Page: 1B



Officials seek answers in Jennings
Author: Jason BrownThe News-Star

Dateline: Jennings, Louisiana

Edwards said investigators have polygraphed a couple of people and that when asked for a second interview, some requested lawyers. Despite that, he said there are no real suspects in either case.
"It was a cold case when we got it," he said. "The body had been there for three or four days, and a lot of the stuff that we could have possibly used as evidence or put together in a typical crime scene, we don't have."
However, while Edwards and his team of four investigators attempt to overcome those challenges, the bodies of other women continue to surface in waterways around the state.
Earlier this month, officials in Lake Charles reported that the body of 32-year-old Brandy Dyson, a transient originally from Kinder, was found floating in a lake. Lake Charles police said they do not believe a link exists between that victim and the two in Jefferson Davis but said the agencies were in contact regarding the cases.
And on Nov. 14, officials in St. Tammany Parish reported that the partially nude body of an unidentified young female was found floating in the Pearl River, near the Mississippi border.

The bodies of at least 22 other women, all living high-risk lifestyles, have been found all along the Interstate 10 corridor from Lake Charles to Slidell since 1979, according to information Edwards said he obtained from the FBI. All of the cases remain unsolved. Before this year, the latest unsolved case occurred in 2002.

This information was surprising to Edwards, who received the report after asking for assistance from the FBI's Violent Criminal Apprehension Program.
The report, which identified similarities between the two deaths in Jennings and connected them to other crimes and homicides that loosely matched them, has opened new doors for the investigators.

(snips from article)


? for those in the know....is it usual for LE to call it a cold case as Edwards did?

capoly
11-20-2008, 12:11 AM
Though there hasn't been many details released about the COD on the murdered women, it has been divulged that one of the women had their throat slit (Ernestine Patterson). It was also known that LaConia Brown had been doused with bleach. What wasn't previously released (until this article was published) http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=124908DFA201B810&p_docnum=3&p_theme=gannett&s_site=theadvertiser&p_product=LADB was that LaConia Brown ALSO had her throat slit. The info was buried within this article and it really caught my eye so I sent an email to the journalist that wrote the article to verify that the info was in fact true.

From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:33 PM
To: tmacias@theadvertiser.com
Subject: Brittney Gary Death

Hello there,

I'm a big "crime junkie" and long-time poster at Websleuths.com. I have been following the Jennings case about the seven women that have been murdered. I have a question about your article (snipped below) that was published in the Advertiser on November 16th. Less than a month after Chaisson's body was found, Ernestine Marie Daniel Patterson, 29, was found floating in a drainage canal a couple miles southeast of Jennings. Her death was later ruled as a homicide; her throat was slit.

Patterson was the only official homicide until this year when LaConia "Muggy" Brown, 23, was found in the middle of a gravel road on the city/parish border just hours after she was last seen.
She was doused in bleach but died from what Edwards said was a slit throat. The gravel road leads to a police shooting range, guaranteeing that a police officer would find the body.
I had read somewhere else that Patterson's throat was slit but this is the first time I've read that Brown's throat was slit. Has it been verified that 2 of the women had their throats slit? I may have misunderstood your article so that's why I decided to inquire.

This is journalist's response to my e-mail:

I think I am the first person to write that Muggy’s throat was slit, that’s why I made sure to explicitly attribute the sheriff to this. I checked my interview tape, too, before I wrote that. Both Ernestine and Muggy definitely died of slit throats.

That's a good find...suggests a connection between the two. In reading some of the older articles I get the feeling that there's not much energy REALLY being put into these cases.

capoly
11-20-2008, 12:32 AM
Must of missed this one...goes back to truck/Det. Gary was the investigating the murder cases for nearly 2 years by the time he was removed.

May 25, 2007
Section: News

Truck inmate sold may be connected to slaying
Author: DORIS MARICLE; AMERICAN PRESS


JENNINGS - State police are investigating a Jeff Davis Parish sheriff's detective who bought a pickup truck that may have been involved in at least one of the four brutal slayings of local young women.

Longtime detective Warren Gary, who has been investigating the women's deaths was removed from the murder investigation Wednesday after Sheriff Ricky Edwards learned the truck may be connected to one woman's death.

capoly
11-20-2008, 01:34 AM
Lending factors
Although some common characteristics and motives can be connected to serial killers, experts agree that there is no generic template for them.
The South Louisiana serial murders, however, fit a description in the FBI report used to clear the misconception that serial killers often travel and operate interstate.
Serial killers, according to the report, have very defined geographic areas of operation.
They kill within their comfort zones, such as places of residence, employment or residences of a relative.
The report also addresses another widely held view that serial killers often want to be caught.
Criminology professor at at the University of Houston-Clear Lake Steven Egger, who wrote the first dissertation on serial murders in the world, said it is not rare to find several serial killers in places where bodies can be hidden easily.
Serial killers in Louisiana, he said, have access to bodies of water, where victims can be hidden and DNA evidence is often lost.
"Look where the bodies are found," he said. "People are usually not going to find bodies in swamps and bayous. In many cases, serial killers are forensically aware."
He said the Pacific Northwest, where there are several isolated locations, also lends itself as an easy place for serial killers to hide bodies.
Egger said urban areas, which have more concentrated populations, also offer serial killers more victims to choose from.
The only commonality he said he has seen among victims is their vulnerability.
"A serial killer is usually going to pick an easy target, and it's usually not some big man or body builder," he said.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160334/-1/NEWSFRONT2

mahmoo
11-20-2008, 01:30 PM
I made this post on the InSession board and wanted to post it here as well. I sense that Brittney's murder had a different motive than the other killings. According to an 11/16/08 article in the Lafayette Daily Advertiser ( by Tina Marie Macias • tmacias@theadvertiser.com) Brittney Gary and her family had returned to Jennings less than a week earlier after living with family in Houston and Lufkin, Texas, for four months. So they were not away from Jennings very long at all.

To me, this murder seems almost a "warning kill" for lack of a better term. The private investigator, Kirk Menard, was hired on or about Monday, Oct 27th per his post here (http://www.topix.com/city/jennings-la/2008/11/police-17-year-old-la-girl-missing-for-a-week). Brittney goes missing a week later on Sun, Nov 2nd. So basically, the PI is hired about the same time the Gary's returned to Jennings. It's as if the killer was sending a message to those that might have valuable information about the murders that they had better keep their mouths shut.

MeoW333
11-20-2008, 04:29 PM
? for those in the know....is it usual for LE to call it a cold case as Edwards did?

It's just pure laziness and stupidity on Edwards' part.

""It was a cold case when we got it," he said. "The body had been there for three or four days,.."

..maybe he meant to say the body was cold..

capoly
11-20-2008, 05:49 PM
I made this post on the InSession board and wanted to post it here as well. I sense that Brittney's murder had a different motive than the other killings. According to this article (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=124908DF54439388&p_docnum=1&p_theme=gannett&s_site=theadvertiser&p_product=LADB), when Brittney Gary went missing, the Garys had returned to Jennings less than a week earlier after living with family in Houston and Lufkin, Texas, for four months. So they were not away from Jennings very long at all.

To me, this murder seems almost a "warning kill" for lack of a better term. The private investigator, Kirk Menard, was hired on or about Monday, Oct 27th per his post here (http://www.topix.com/city/jennings-la/2008/11/police-17-year-old-la-girl-missing-for-a-week). Brittney goes missing a week later on Sun, Nov 2nd. So basically, the PI is hired about the same time the Gary's returned to Jennings. It's as if the killer was sending a message to those that might have valuable information about the murders that they had better keep their mouths shut.


The article at link has expired, mahmoo. I came across an article last night to which comments were made by PI Menard and a mahmoo! What also caught my eye was the comment made by the person who lives near/on Bobby Rd.....said one body was 1/8 of a mile from him & another body was close. Also that it is an area frequented by drug dealers which police are always being called about it. Now I'm not a drug dealer but if I were I doubt I'd kill someone at one place than drop the body off at my place of business. Sounds more like it be a person with some knowledge of how to bring about 'reasonable doubt'.

"Warning kill" my well explain Brittany. After reading info on the other victims, it seems to me her case was handled differently. She sure was officially identified quicker than the others. In thinking of that.....you know what else could tie in with your theory, Mahmoo,wasn't her cousin 'officially' ID'd just days after Brittany disappeared. Surely it was coincidental...but ??.. if Brittany's was a warning killing, the official release of the cousins ID had to underscore that warning.

I hope the PI takes care. I wonder who hired him? PI's aren't cheap and it doesn't sound like any of these families are well off. Perhaps another party....one with a belief that the killings are linked in some way to LE?

Am I right in thinking there were no killings/bodies found in 2006? Bryon Chad Jones was arrested for Patterson's murder in Jan 2006. A fella named Nixon was also charged but I can't find info as to when he was arrested. Jones (assume Nixon also) initially faced manslaugther charges which were upped to second degree murder after GJ inictment. Bond for each was set at $250,000, neither posted. There was to be a trial in Nov 2006 but as yet can't find anything that says it took place. Both were released the beginning of 2007 for lack of evidence. After reading what I could find...I was left with the impression that the determination re lack of evidence came from the Prosecutor's office. Seems illogical....arrest, high bond, GJ indictment/upgraded charge........yet released, after sitting a year in jail, for lack of evidence. I'd be a mite annoyed.

Also.....haven't been able to find info on Connie Siler. It was said she went to CA but a people search on her ends in Jennings and shows her as being age 62. She was a "person of interest" in three of the four slayings.... owned the truck considered evidence in one of the murders....... was jailed for unrelated charges and on the day she's released sells the truck for below market value to the Detective who is investigating the slayings in which she's considered a "person of interest". Anyone on InSession have info on her, mahmoo? Wondering what her 'status' is.

capoly
11-20-2008, 05:58 PM
It's just pure laziness and stupidity on Edwards' part.
""It was a cold case when we got it," he said. "The body had been there for three or four days,.."

..maybe he meant to say the body was cold..


LOL From what I've read....an I've been reading alot....your assessment isn't far off.

He made another comment re these cases...can't recall it right off...but it had me shaking my head. IMO He's not knocking himself out for these girls.

mahmoo
11-20-2008, 06:12 PM
Here (http://jeffdavisonline.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1117&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) is a rather poignant post by Whitnei Dubois' sister. She writes the family has not been able to get any answers from authorities, nor have we been able to receive any autopsy reports, toxicology reports, etc. We were left to bury her with many questions unanswered.

Her post date is Oct 10, 2007. Wonder if the family ever received any of the reports :confused:.

mahmoo
11-20-2008, 07:22 PM
The article at link has expired, mahmoo. I came across an article last night to which comments were made by PI Menard and a mahmoo!

Thanks for catching that :blowkiss:.......the Advertiser archives their articles a little too quick. I went back and edited the post. And that post you saw by mahmoo was moi :crazy:. Doubt the PI will respond though.

"Warning kill" my well explain Brittany. After reading info on the other victims, it seems to me her case was handled differently. She sure was officially identified quicker than the others. In thinking of that.....you know what else could tie in with your theory, Mahmoo,wasn't her cousin 'officially' ID'd just days after Brittany disappeared. Surely it was coincidental...but ??.. if Brittany's was a warning killing, the official release of the cousins ID had to underscore that warning.

Actually, it wasn't her cousin......it was the 6th victim, Crystal Zeno. Here's a link (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/obitsarch.php?id=727) to her obituary. Her body was found 9/11/08 but it took 2 months to get a positive ID on her. She was buried 11/11/08.......Brittney was missing at that time and not yet located.

I hope the PI takes care. I wonder who hired him? PI's aren't cheap and it doesn't sound like any of these families are well off. Perhaps another party....one with a belief that the killings are linked in some way to LE?

Menard states in Post #3 here (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/TP3AHR3961TQE8UNB#c3) that "due to confidentiality, we cannot disclose our clients". Also, he states here (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081116/NEWS03/811160306) "They were considered what you might call outcasts," said private investigator Menard, who was hired by people close to two of the victims.

Am I right in thinking there were no killings/bodies found in 2006?

That's correct, as far as we know from what is being reported. A year and 9 months had passed from the last body found on 6/18/05 until the killings resumed and the next body was found on 3/18/07. A thought crossed my mind that the culprit may be a military or reserve type person. Maybe they were called to duty and were not in the area during the almost 2 year lull.

The first (that we know of) 2 murders were almost back-to-back.......1st body found 5/20/05 and the 2nd found 6/18/05.

As for the POI's you mentioned........haven't been able to really find out anything about them. I've been scouring the internet and there's basically no info available. Hopefully with the media becoming more interested they will ferret out additional information.

capoly
11-20-2008, 08:41 PM
"..the people arrested early this year who were allegedly involved with ONE of the girls...they were release due to lack of evidence. But I say it again, when a cop was caught having sex w/a female who had been arrested for prostitution, he disclosed this along with "other information" to a P.I. The cop was arrested and given a bond of $50K which we know that $5k will get you out...I dont think he's in jail and his trial doesn't have a date yet! Now, scratching your head and going Hum?! would be appropriate.http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/smilies/cuss.gif"
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=345264&page=2
(posted by AngreeCajun on that link there)

Maelstrom5 's post in also interesting:

"..You said “The answer is under Sheriff Edward's nose...he doesn't want to see it” and by that I take it to mean the possible connection to someone in LE. I agree that is an avenue that should be pursued because that is just the type of person whose car Brittney would have gotten in to. But just because Sheriff Edwards has not mentioned that possible connection does not mean he is not looking into it, just that he does not want to go public at this time."

I've been trying to find an article that would give some info on the cop's arrest. Have you read any new posts about the arrested officer?

mahmoo
11-20-2008, 09:14 PM
I've been trying to find an article that would give some info on the cop's arrest. Have you read any new posts about the arrested officer?

There's just not much out there right now. I don't know if these have been posted yet but it's a little something anyway.

JPD officer arrested for obstruction, malfeasance (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/arch_news.php?id=486) and

Louisiana State Police West District Arrest Message (http://www.lsp.org/lspnewsr.nsf/2777e20e3df3b49786256c76004db777/f0669e7d3cb0c1f4862573b6006d8a6f?OpenDocument)

ARRESTED: Jesse A. Ewing
Jennings, Louisiana 70546

CHARGES: L.R.S. 14:130.1 Obstruction of Justice
L.R.S. 14:134 Malfeasance in Office
L.R.S. 14:134.1 Malfeasance in Office, sexual conduct prohibited

DATE & TIME
OF ARREST: December 19, 2007 @ 8:45 a.m.
PARISH ARRESTED: Jefferson Davis

BOND SET: $50,000.00

capoly
11-20-2008, 09:15 PM
Actually, it wasn't her cousin......it was the 6th victim, Crystal Zeno. Here's a link (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/obitsarch.php?id=727) to her obituary. Her body was found 9/11/08 but it took 2 months to get a positive ID on her. She was buried 11/11/08.......Brittney was missing at that time and not yet located.

That's right it was Crystal. I have viewed her obituary a few times yet her picture continues to catch me off guard. It's a lock eyes picture.



Menard states in Post #3 here (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/TP3AHR3961TQE8UNB#c3) that "due to confidentiality, we cannot disclose our clients". Also, he states here (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081116/NEWS03/811160306) "They were considered what you might call outcasts," said private investigator Menard, who was hired by people close to two of the victims.

Close.....doesn't eliminate relatives yet doesn't limit to relatives. Darn that PI training.


That's correct, as far as we know from what is being reported. A year and 9 months had passed from the last body found on 6/18/05 until the killings resumed and the next body was found on 3/18/07. A thought crossed my mind that the culprit may be a military or reserve type person. Maybe they were called to duty and were not in the area during the almost 2 year lull.

Looks like there's almost a years difference between the last 2007 killing--> and the first 2008 killing.

At this time 2008 has 3....the first being Laconia Brown in May left by the police range. She and Patterson are the only two known to have had their throats slit.

capoly
11-20-2008, 09:23 PM
"......the first being Laconia Brown in May left by the police range. She and Patterson are the only two known to have had their throats slit."


They are also the 2 women with a physically distinct race difference. I don't want to just say AA because that is most likely not true.

Wish we knew if any others died with the same injury.

Pictures

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160314

concernedperson
11-20-2008, 09:35 PM
Mahmoo, do you know of any other "pockets" of murdered women in Louisiana? We have been down this road before when at least 2 serials were operating in the Baton Rouge area. Then Houma had their serial of 20 young men.

I am wondering if the indication that their were no murders in 2006 in Jeff Davis Parish if the killer was someplace else? Or is operating in another area at the same time?

capoly
11-20-2008, 10:39 PM
I've read where the killer showed no racial factors in choosing the women......would that automatically rule out a racial factor with how the women were killed? No results yet on Crystal & Brittany so they are not included below.

Listed by officials as being caucasian:

Loretta Lynn Chaisson, 28 No official cause of death is ever determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found in her body

Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez, 21 No official cause of death is determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found in her body.

Whitnei Charlene Dubois, 26 The cause of her death was never determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found in her body.

Listed by officials as being of the African American race:

Ernesteine Marie Daniel Patterson 29 Her death is later ruled as a homicide by a slit throat.

LaConia Shontel "Muggy" Brown 23 Edwards said she was doused in bleach, but died from a slit throat.


News reports are saying ALL victims showed high levels of drug/alcohol use but individual listings do not state that. It would be interesting to know if Ernestine and LaConia had drug/alcohol levels comparable to the others.
--------

This is not an opinion.....more like an observation/wondering......but at quick glance it appears he may have spent more time with the caucasian women...drinking and doing drugs etc prior to killing them. With the African-American women...again going by limited info in the individual descriptions of death.....it appears the killer may have gone from sex (if any was involved) right to death/disposal.

If this were so does it give any usable insight into the killer?

mahmoo
11-20-2008, 10:52 PM
Looks like there's almost a years difference between the last 2007 killing--> and the first 2008 killing.

Welllllllll........since you bring up time frames.........here ya go (http://www.scribd.com/doc/8229542/Length-of-Time-Between-Murders) LOL

concernedperson
11-20-2008, 11:10 PM
I've read where the killer showed no racial factors in choosing the women......would that automatically rule out a racial factor with how the women were killed? No results yet on Crystal & Brittany so they are not included below.

Listed by officials as being caucasian:

Loretta Lynn Chaisson, 28 No official cause of death is ever determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found in her body

Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez, 21 No official cause of death is determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found in her body.

Whitnei Charlene Dubois, 26 The cause of her death was never determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found in her body.

Listed by officials as being of the African American race:

Ernesteine Marie Daniel Patterson 29 Her death is later ruled as a homicide by a slit throat.

LaConia Shontel "Muggy" Brown 23 Edwards said she was doused in bleach, but died from a slit throat.


News reports are saying ALL victims showed high levels of drug/alcohol use but individual listings do not state that. It would be interesting to know if Ernestine and LaConia had drug/alcohol levels comparable to the others.
--------

This is not an opinion.....more like an observation/wondering......but at quick glance it appears he may have spent more time with the caucasian women...drinking and doing drugs etc prior to killing them. With the African-American women...again going by limited info in the individual descriptions of death.....it appears the killer may have gone from sex (if any was involved) right to death/disposal.

If this were so does it give any usable insight into the killer?

IMO, the biggest factor is vulnerability. He was able to use them. He may not have used drugs/alcohol at the time but may have been a prior abuser.

I had this thought that possibly he was a former abuser that contracted Hep C or something and blamed the illness on others that he had prior contact with. This is obviously a sociopath and this is a getting back.

Jennings is so small that there has to be a link. AA comes to mind. I would check the Lafayette, Crowley, Welch,Lake Charles,Sulfur or any towns with AA meetings and/or a disgruntled member. Or a vocal member....one that has issues that are not easily explained. I think what I am saying is that the people are targeted for their lifestyle or their substance abuse which may have been thwarted in the killer.

capoly
11-20-2008, 11:16 PM
Welllllllll........since you bring up time frames.........here ya go (http://www.scribd.com/doc/8229542/Length-of-Time-Between-Murders) LOL


LOL :clap::clap::clap: Thank you kindly!

mahmoo
11-21-2008, 12:50 AM
Mahmoo, do you know of any other "pockets" of murdered women in Louisiana? We have been down this road before when at least 2 serials were operating in the Baton Rouge area. Then Houma had their serial of 20 young men.

I am wondering if the indication that their were no murders in 2006 in Jeff Davis Parish if the killer was someplace else? Or is operating in another area at the same time?

I know........here we go again :rolleyes:. Right now I don't know if there are other areas. I've mostly been searching for Jennings/Jeff Davis info. Glad you brought it up though.....as soon as I have time I'm going to start checking statewide.

It's interesting about the length of time between the 05 murders and the 07 murders. I've considered the possibilities you suggest as well as that he may be in the military reserves and was perhaps called to active duty during the lull.

MeoW333
11-21-2008, 11:53 AM
I've been trying to find an article that would give some info on the cop's arrest. Have you read any new posts about the arrested officer?

Hi, Capoly, i've not read anything new; if i do i will be sure to post it for y'all :)

mysteriew
11-21-2008, 01:56 PM
It's interesting that the one victim had been doused in bleach. Esp. considering how it destroys chances of collecting any DNA on the remains. I wonder if any of the other victims had bleach poured on them?

mahmoo
11-21-2008, 08:26 PM
It's interesting that the one victim had been doused in bleach. Esp. considering how it destroys chances of collecting any DNA on the remains. I wonder if any of the other victims had bleach poured on them?

I wondered that as well. It could be bleach was poured on them in case they were discovered quickly........if not, then they would be so decomposed by the time they were found it wouldn't matter.

I get the impression the person(s) doing this has no fear, they are not under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time the murder is committed and seem to have a decent knowledge of forensics.

It also seems they were not satisfied with the lack of media coverage and public knowledge of these murders therefore, they stepped it up a notch this year........basically assuring the "word" was gonna get out and more attention would be showered on their actions.

concernedperson
11-21-2008, 08:45 PM
I wondered that as well. It could be bleach was poured on them in case they were discovered quickly........if not, then they would be so decomposed by the time they were found it wouldn't matter.

I get the impression the person(s) doing this has no fear, they are not under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time the murder is committed and seem to have a decent knowledge of forensics.

It also seems they were not satisfied with the lack of media coverage and public knowledge of these murders therefore, they stepped it up a notch this year........basically assuring the "word" was gonna get out and more attention would be showered on their actions.

I am thinking that the bleach poured on the one victim was because the victim put up more of a fight and therefore he had to fight back leaving evidence. The others were more than likely overcome quickly. We know some of the victims had their throats slit but do we know what was used to to accomplish this?

I agree that the killer was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. This doesn't seemed to be a frenzy type killing but more methodical. The person doesn't want to get caught but does want attention for his work otherwise more evidence would have been left at the scene.

I keep getting this feeling that the killer has a grudge against women, especially prostitutes, maybe because of his prior frequenting and maybe because he contracted disease from this activity. He could be projecting his current ailments on the innocent victims he murders.

If my theory is anywhere on target then the killer would be late forties or early fifties. Old enough to have understanding about DNA, other forensics and old enough to be suffering from past indescretions.

capoly
11-22-2008, 06:36 PM
IMO, the biggest factor is vulnerability. He was able to use them. He may not have used drugs/alcohol at the time but may have been a prior abuser.

I had this thought that possibly he was a former abuser that contracted Hep C or something and blamed the illness on others that he had prior contact with. This is obviously a sociopath and this is a getting back.

Jennings is so small that there has to be a link. AA comes to mind. I would check the Lafayette, Crowley, Welch,Lake Charles,Sulfur or any towns with AA meetings and/or a disgruntled member. Or a vocal member....one that has issues that are not easily explained. I think what I am saying is that the people are targeted for their lifestyle or their substance abuse which may have been thwarted in the killer.

Was wondering more along the lines as to whether a victim's race could be a factor in method of killing.......

Going by the basic death info listed for the first 5 women...

With the 3 women of the white race it indicates that no official cause of death has been determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found.

With the 2 women of the black race it indicates a slit throat as cause of death. (there is no mention of alcohol and drugs) One woman with slit throat was found shortly after death but the other with slit throat was badly decomposed.....took two different dna tests before identity established. This tends to make me think that state of decomposure didn't disallow a finding of a slit throat being cause of death.

So it seems that either LE is picking and choosing whom they release info on....(would hope that wouldn't be racially based though)...or if a serial killer...he's got two ways of killing dependent on race.

I also think it is an older man....(believe it was you posted that in other thread)

am one finger typing as hands are bad...so forgive mistakes please

missellen
11-22-2008, 06:47 PM
Can anyone tell me if the murder of 17yo Meghan Runkle whos body was found in a ditch in Jennings State Park on November 5 has been considereded as related/ similar to these deaths? I can't find reference to her anywhere on websleuths but these deaths seemed the most likely place I would see her name.

capoly
11-22-2008, 06:57 PM
Can anyone tell me if the murder of 17yo Meghan Runkle whos body was found in a ditch in Jennings State Park on November 5 has been considereded as related/ similar to these deaths? I can't find reference to her anywhere on websleuths but these deaths seemed the most likely place I would see her name.

She was killed in Florida, missellen.

Police identify body in Jennings State Forest as 17-year-old homicide victim

Jacksonville police have identified the body of a 17-year-old girl who was found Nov. 5 in Jennings State Forest, and the death has been listed as a homicide.

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/11/12/police-identify-body-in-jennings-state-forest-as-17-year-old-homicide-victim/




It sure is a scary world.

ETA Maybe you will start a thread on her?

missellen
11-22-2008, 07:03 PM
Thanks Capoly, yes I will. Sorry to hijack your thread.

capoly
11-22-2008, 07:20 PM
Thanks Capoly, yes I will. Sorry to hijack your thread.

Your welcome. Not my thread, missellen, but don't think anyone would say you were hijacking! :)

concernedperson
11-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Was wondering more along the lines as to whether a victim's race could be a factor in method of killing.......

Going by the basic death info listed for the first 5 women...

With the 3 women of the white race it indicates that no official cause of death has been determined, but high levels of alcohol and drugs were found.

With the 2 women of the black race it indicates a slit throat as cause of death. (there is no mention of alcohol and drugs) One woman with slit throat was found shortly after death but the other with slit throat was badly decomposed.....took two different dna tests before identity established. This tends to make me think that state of decomposure didn't disallow a finding of a slit throat being cause of death.

So it seems that either LE is picking and choosing whom they release info on....(would hope that wouldn't be racially based though)...or if a serial killer...he's got two ways of killing dependent on race.

I also think it is an older man....(believe it was you posted that in other thread)

am one finger typing as hands are bad...so forgive mistakes please

Pretty good thinking. Could be another motive....racial. In any case, I believe if the killer is targeting vulnerability it could be any race. His own reasons are attached. I am sure we will find when he is caught they don't make sense to us.

I was looking at the Lubbock, Texas killings but I think that is too far for this guy. I think this a home grown variety. Meaning South Louisiana vs. a transient.

capoly
11-22-2008, 11:26 PM
Former Jennings Cop Sentenced

......It stems back to March when Ewing was fired for allegedly releasing criminal evidence to a civilian. He reportedly obtained information involving the murders of two of the five dead women found in rural Jeff Davis Parish. Then, allegedly released tape recordings of two inmates in the Jeff Davis Jail describing an alleged cover-up of the murders involving local law enforcement to a private investigator.

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?s=8843722

Funny how information varies on searches. Have searched this Ewing a number of times and this never came up. This article doesn't mention sexual misconduct.



As to a possible race factor. The articles by profilers I'm reading seem to indicate that a male of the black race is more likely to pick victims of either/any race.

As much as I hate to write this, I was leaning towards the killer being a black male if indeed he slit the throats of only the black victims. There's also something about the drug/alcohol levels of the white victims that suggest a kind of 'wine & dine' time took place previous to being killed. If the killer is a black male, he might be of a mindset that I recall existing in the 1950's-60's (not saying killer is that old).......

It doesn't make sense that Brittany Gary would have gone with just anyone......and there's good amount of time between each set of killings...

Wonder if any member of the clergy is being looked at by LE?

capoly
11-22-2008, 11:52 PM
Discalceation is a word that means "removal of footwear".

Some....have also read all....bodies were found without shoes. Maybe a killer rite or maybe home where shoes are removed by all upon entering.

capoly
11-23-2008, 03:22 PM
This may be posted already though don't recall reading some of what's in it.
Authorities fear community's apathy tied to victims' lifestyle
http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20081116/NEWS01/811160319


"The death of the women perplex both authorities and residents who wonder how someone could leave such evidence-free bodies. The sophisticated nature in which the bodies were disposed of make Southside residents question whether a Southside resident could be responsible for the deaths.
"When there are murders here, it's usually in a fight or a bar brawl," bar owner Ardon Jay said. "These people don't know how to do the things I'm reading about.""


Hope the women of the Southside aren't basing their actions on this line of thought.

concernedperson
11-23-2008, 09:14 PM
Discalceation is a word that means "removal of footwear".

Some....have also read all....bodies were found without shoes. Maybe a killer rite or maybe home where shoes are removed by all upon entering.

Ronald Dominique ( the Houma Louisiana serial killer) had this same fetish about shoe removal. Some have speculated that this is a religious serial killer ritual. Given that south Louisiana is very Catholic and religious it could be something ingrained in an otherwise warped mind.

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20080923/articles/809230232

Derrick Todd Lee was black and killed mostly white women and one black woman that we know of. The significant thing is that all the women were very attractive whether younger or older.

Sean Gillis, the second Baton Rouge serial killer was white. He killed mostly black prostitutes that he knew. He also engaged in internet porn and possible snuff films. He was known for his mutilation of the bodies post mortem.

capoly
11-23-2008, 10:29 PM
Ronald Dominique ( the Houma Louisiana serial killer) had this same fetish about shoe removal. Some have speculated that this is a religious serial killer ritual. Given that south Louisiana is very Catholic and religious it could be something ingrained in an otherwise warped mind.

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20080923/articles/809230232

Derrick Todd Lee was black and killed mostly white women and one black woman that we know of. The significant thing is that all the women were very attractive whether younger or older.

Sean Gillis, the second Baton Rouge serial killer was white. He killed mostly black prostitutes that he knew. He also engaged in internet porn and possible snuff films. He was known for his mutilation of the bodies post mortem.


Have been reading of the different religious reasonings behind removing ones shoes. Had no idea there were a number of reasons one might remove shoes....but than there was no reason for me to know..

Thanks for the link to the articles on Ronald Dominique...It seems the first thing a person needs to let go of when following these type cases...is their perception of what a serial killer looks like. 20+ men dead...I'm thinking he has to be able to physically overpower them. Obviously not. Have to keep reminding myself that it is mental/emotional manipulations that entrap.

Perhaps that's why I think so much on Brittany Gary. I've yet to find anything that suggests she was into the strawberry/drug thing at the time she went missing..Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places...

But she was only back in Jennings a week or so and had expressed fear/distrust...& if she was still on the straight and narrow re drugs....I would think her killing would narrow the killer field down.

capoly
11-23-2008, 11:30 PM
December 29, 2007
Section: News
Police officer will be cleared
DORIS MARICLE AMERICAN PRESS

JENNINGS - Efforts to exonerate a veteran Jennings police officer of wrongdoing have moved to the state level. ......

Kirk Menard, a private investigator hired to try to clear Sgt. Jesse Ewing of obstruction of justice, malfeasance in office and sexual misconduct charges, said he turned over evidence to the FBI and Attorney General's Office that will shed new light on the case.........

"The next step is to fight these charges," Menard said. "Jesse does not want a plea bargain. He wants this case to go to trial because he believes he didn't do anything wrong - and I don't feel he did anything wrong, either." .........

Ewing is accused of handing over privileged information involving the ongoing investigation into four unsolved murders in Jeff Davis Parish to a private investigator. He plans to plead not guilty to the charges during his arraignment next month. ........


Ewing, a 19-year veteran of the Jennings Police Department, has been on paid administrative leave since his Dec. 19 arrest by Louisiana State Police. He has also undergone an internal affairs investigation..........

Ewing obtained taped information into the unsolved murders and an alleged cover-up involving a high ranking law enforcement official from two former female inmates in the city jail. He later turned that information over to Menard in an attempt to avoid public accusations of a cover-up by local law enforcement officials............

Menard said the women knew information about the crimes and the crime scenes that had not been released to the public. Though some of the information was askew or third-hand information, the information could have only been obtained by someone at the scene or from someone who was at the scene, he said.............

He also admitted to giving Menard the tapes to deliver to the FBI and Attorney General's Office to avoid the appearance of any cover-ups or improprieties among local officials............



Snips from article.

Was Menard later hired by someone else to investigate murders?

capoly
11-23-2008, 11:45 PM
Former Jennings officer expected to enter guilty plea

American Press (Lake Charles, LA)
August 14, 2008
He was indicted on a charge of felony malfeasance in office in April after he reportedly provided evidence in a criminal investigation to a civilian.
"After giving it a lot of thought, I have decided I will allow Jesse Ewing to plead guilty to a misdemeanor criminal mischief charge which included tampering with the property of another with the intent to interfere with the free enjoyment of any rights of anyone or with the intent to deprive anyone entitled to the full use of the property," said District Attorney Michael Cassidy.

Ewing was fired in March after a state police investigation found that he allowed private investigator Kirk Menard to handle evidence involving the investigation of four unsolved homicides in Jeff Davis Parish Ewing reportedly obtained taped information on the slayings and an alleged cover-up involving a local law enforcement official from two female inmates in the city jail. He reportedly later gave Menard the information to give to the FBI, the state Attorney General's Office and the District Attorney's Office.

One of the inmates later accused Ewing of inappropriately touching her - a charge the grand jury passed on.


Bits snipped from article.


ETA JUst so it's clear re sexual misconduct.

American Press (Lake Charles, LA) - April 17, 2008

Grand jurors return indictment against former police officer, IN JEFF DAVIS
JENNINGS - Jeff Davis Parish grand jurors on Wednesday indicted a former Jennings police sergeant accused of giving privileged information to a private investigator. The same jury cleared the officer of two other charges - malfeasance in office for sexual misconduct with a female inmate and obstruction of justice.Jesse Ewing was indicted on a charge of malfeasance in office for providing evidence in a criminal investigation to a civilian.Ewing was fired from the police department in...



........

He risked his job and reputation to give evidence in a criminal investigation to a civilian in order to give to the FBI, the state Attorney General's Office and the District Attorney's Office.

People rarely do that for no good reason. But if it was a good one...and the FBI etc have known the info since April/May....why no arrests......2 young women have been killed since that time.

concernedperson
11-23-2008, 11:52 PM
Former Jennings officer expected to enter guilty plea

American Press (Lake Charles, LA)
August 14, 2008
He was indicted on a charge of felony malfeasance in office in April after he reportedly provided evidence in a criminal investigation to a civilian.
"After giving it a lot of thought, I have decided I will allow Jesse Ewing to plead guilty to a misdemeanor criminal mischief charge which included tampering with the property of another with the intent to interfere with the free enjoyment of any rights of anyone or with the intent to deprive anyone entitled to the full use of the property," said District Attorney Michael Cassidy.

Ewing was fired in March after a state police investigation found that he allowed private investigator Kirk Menard to handle evidence involving the investigation of four unsolved homicides in Jeff Davis Parish Ewing reportedly obtained taped information on the slayings and an alleged cover-up involving a local law enforcement official from two female inmates in the city jail. He reportedly later gave Menard the information to give to the FBI, the state Attorney General's Office and the District Attorney's Office.

One of the inmates later accused Ewing of inappropriately touching her - a charge the grand jury passed on.


Bits snipped from article.
........

He risked his job and reputation to give evidence in a criminal investigation to a civilian in order to give to the FBI, the state Attorney General's Office and the District Attorney's Office.

People rarely do that for no good reason. But if it was a good one...and the FBI etc have known the info since April/May....why no arrests......2 young women have been killed since that time.

I think he has problems but they aren't related to the murders. Most serials operate under the radar. This one is no exception.

capoly
11-24-2008, 12:02 AM
I think he has problems but they aren't related to the murders. Most serials operate under the radar. This one is no exception.


Sorry didn't intend for it to look like he was involved with murders. I thought that one sentence would show he was cleared than realized it didn't.

Went back and added this to clarify

ETA JUst so it's clear re sexual misconduct.

American Press (Lake Charles, LA) - April 17, 2008

Grand jurors return indictment against former police officer, IN JEFF DAVIS
JENNINGS - Jeff Davis Parish grand jurors on Wednesday indicted a former Jennings police sergeant accused of giving privileged information to a private investigator. The same jury cleared the officer of two other charges - malfeasance in office for sexual misconduct with a female inmate and obstruction of justice.Jesse Ewing was indicted on a charge of malfeasance in office for providing evidence in a criminal investigation to a civilian.Ewing was fired from the police department in...


We must have crossed paths posting.

capoly
11-24-2008, 01:27 AM
I think he has problems but they aren't related to the murders. Most serials operate under the radar. This one is no exception.

Well, I agree...... the poor fella did/does have problems and none are sexual that I could find....2007-2008 have been rather troublesome times for him.......He was in hot water at his job prior to hiring Menard. And the subsequent malfeasance charges were followed by yet another tiff at the workplace which resulted in court involvement.

He probably didn't hire Menard out of the goodness of his heart but no matter what his motive...he must have known or heard something that made it worth his while to hire Menard re murders.

AdoraBlue
11-24-2008, 09:48 AM
It's interesting about the length of time between the 05 murders and the 07 murders. I've considered the possibilities you suggest as well as that he may be in the military reserves and was perhaps called to active duty during the lull.

Could it be that the perp was displaced by Katrina and/or Rita, or just had a cooldown that was maybe prolonged by the storms' aftermath?

AdoraBlue
11-24-2008, 09:54 AM
http://www.rpso.org/web/cold_cases.htm

Teresa Marie Gilcrease
White/Female
DOB: 02/14/1958

On 06/10/2002 a caller to the Rapides Parish Sheriff's Office reported having found a deceased female at the property located at 132 Jenkins Road in Alexandria, La.
The victim was identified as Teresa Marie Gilcrease and was last seen at the "Stick" lounge located on Mac Arthur Drive in Alexandria. The victim was last seen in the company of an unknown white male. The above sketch was made of the white male who was with the victim at the lounge.



This is not too far from Jennings, IIRC.

concernedperson
11-24-2008, 12:26 PM
[QUOTE=AdoraBlue;2981573]http://www.rpso.org/web/cold_cases.htm

Teresa Marie Gilcrease
White/Female
DOB: 02/14/1958

On 06/10/2002 a caller to the Rapides Parish Sheriff's Office reported having found a deceased female at the property located at 132 Jenkins Road in Alexandria, La.
The victim was identified as Teresa Marie Gilcrease and was last seen at the "Stick" lounge located on Mac Arthur Drive in Alexandria. The victim was last seen in the company of an unknown white male. The above sketch was made of the white male who was with the victim at the lounge. (snipped)





I remember that case as one we thought could be connected to the killings in the Baton Rouge and Lafayette areas. A reporter from Baton Rouge faxed me that sketch years ago but we now know that sketch had nothing to do with the other murders.

One interesting thing is both Alexandria and Jennings are readily accessible from I 49 and I 10. Anything south of I 10 has more complicated ingress and egress. It would be difficult to move bodies around without being seen due to heavy closed off traffic. Interstate travel for the killer is more convenient.

I wonder if that guy is involved with the Jennings murders? From the sketch, it looks like he would be late forties or early fifties now.

AdoraBlue
11-24-2008, 12:38 PM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881118039

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081124/NEWS01/81124010

Deputies say the body could be that of a man wanted for kidnapping, rape and attempted murder. The body was found off Louisiana Highway 96.
Maj. Ginny Higgins, public information officer, said investigators believe dead man is 29-year-old Jules David Mallery, a suspect in the four crimes.


Does anyone know about this? How far is St. Martin Parish from Jennings? Now we have a perp in a different case turning up in a ditch?:eek:

capoly
11-24-2008, 02:11 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=644&pictureid=4878

Don't know if this will help....did me....I thought Shreveport was on the coastline!

concernedperson
11-24-2008, 02:33 PM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881118039

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081124/NEWS01/81124010

Deputies say the body could be that of a man wanted for kidnapping, rape and attempted murder. The body was found off Louisiana Highway 96.
Maj. Ginny Higgins, public information officer, said investigators believe dead man is 29-year-old Jules David Mallery, a suspect in the four crimes.


Does anyone know about this? How far is St. Martin Parish from Jennings? Now we have a perp in a different case turning up in a ditch?:eek:

Jennings is only about 35 miles away from St. Martin Parish. I wonder if this perp didn't commit suicide? It looks like he got on I 49 north from Lafayette and did himself in since he was wanted/ID'd. I also think his St. Martinville crime was messy and not the same MO as Jennings or the Alexandria murders.

The residents should be glad he didn't get a chance to cause more damage than he already has. Sounds like he was a budding serial killer but fortunately very stupid.

Jelly Doughnut
11-24-2008, 04:45 PM
This might be why there's not much movement on the investigation - This was written in 2004 I think (after reading it and doing some math), so I don't know how much things have changed. In this article, base rate of a new police officer is listed as $6.67 an hour - it would have had to be adjusted for minimum wage...but, still, who could live on that? and why should you have to as a trained police officer?

I suppose this really is not directly pertinent to the investigation, but to me it makes it easy to see why the investigation appears to be going nowhere. And, also, it really does make one wonder how the cop managed to save $9000 for that truck.

http://www.jeffdavisparish.com/joe/police_officer_raises.htm

April 2004 is the date of the entry: http://www.jeffdavisparish.com/joe

Jelly Doughnut
11-24-2008, 04:48 PM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081124/NEWS01/811240318

Story on funeral for Brittney Gary.

capoly
11-24-2008, 10:40 PM
This might be why there's not much movement on the investigation - This was written in 2004 I think (after reading it and doing some math), so I don't know how much things have changed. In this article, base rate of a new police officer is listed as $6.67 an hour - it would have had to be adjusted for minimum wage...but, still, who could live on that? and why should you have to as a trained police officer?

I suppose this really is not directly pertinent to the investigation, but to me it makes it easy to see why the investigation appears to be going nowhere. And, also, it really does make one wonder how the cop managed to save $9000 for that truck.

http://www.jeffdavisparish.com/joe/police_officer_raises.htm

April 2004 is the date of the entry: http://www.jeffdavisparish.com/joe

If I recall correctly the present Chief of Police Johnny ??? is the 3rd or 4th in as many years and the pay rate was an issue for 2 of them.

That's outrageous $6.67 an hour! Yeah re $9000...must be 2 income family for sure.

capoly
11-25-2008, 03:39 AM
Britney Gary Laid to Rest
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=9402585

FBI Experts Study Jeff Davis Deaths
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9403808

Gary Death Ruled Homicide
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9391795

AdoraBlue
11-25-2008, 10:02 AM
That's outrageous $6.67 an hour! Yeah re $9000...must be 2 income family for sure.

Unfortunately, this is not unusual in more than a few small Louisiana towns. The parishes (Sheriff's Offices) seem to do somewhat better.

AdoraBlue
11-25-2008, 10:05 AM
Jennings is only about 35 miles away from St. Martin Parish. I wonder if this perp didn't commit suicide? It looks like he got on I 49 north from Lafayette and did himself in since he was wanted/ID'd. I also think his St. Martinville crime was messy and not the same MO as Jennings or the Alexandria murders.

The residents should be glad he didn't get a chance to cause more damage than he already has. Sounds like he was a budding serial killer but fortunately very stupid.

Thanks CP. I am from North LA and have not traveled extensively or lived down south so my geography is lacking a little. And you are so right about this perp.

Scooter68
12-06-2008, 01:09 AM
:furious: I was raised in Jennings and these events have really gotten my attention. It’s unbelievable how hard it is to find news about what has been going on there. It seems information has either been suppressed or withheld and it makes me wonder if any 1 agency has all the facts at their disposal. Understand that this is a very small town in which most of the working class have jobs out of town, offshore, or make their living from oil royalties and property. There are very few opportunities for young people. I know this has nothing to do with the subject but I wanted to give some insight about where this is happening. When you read reports about the Southside of Jennings, they are referring to a set of railroad tracks that run through town. It literally divides the white side of town and coon town. No disrespect intended but that's how it’s referred to. I have read that other agencies have gotten involved so there is a lot better chance of these murders getting solved. Believe it when you read about people saying if it would be happening on the other side of town they would be doing a lot more. This site is unbelievable and thanks to the people who made it happen because if we had to rely on the news to get information there is no telling how long this could continue.:behindbar

MeoW333
12-06-2008, 08:06 AM
Britney Gary Laid to Rest
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=9402585

FBI Experts Study Jeff Davis Deaths
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9403808

Gary Death Ruled Homicide
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9391795

It sounds like they are geographically profiling by location of each victim

LaLaw2000
12-06-2008, 04:09 PM
You can go to nola.com and put Akeem Amon Nixon into the search bar and it will take you to the following article concerning this guy.

There was a driveby shooting in Jennings, La., on Thanksgiving day. Akeem Amon NIXON, 21, shot James L. Anderson, 29, in a driveby shooting and is charged with one count of second degree murder, and two counts of attempted first degree murder. NIXON was booked into the Jefferson Davis Parish Jail.
Remember that a Brian Chad Jones and a Lawrence NIXON had been indited and charged with manslaughter in the death of Ernestine Patterson - one of the slain girls. I wonder if this Lawrence NIXON is the same person as Akeem Amon NIXON? He could have converted to Islamic belief.

We know that victim Brittney Gary and her mother, Teresa, had only been back in Jennings from having stayed in Houston and Lufkin with relatives for 4 months. The interesting thing is that Cleveland, Texas, is 45 miles north of Houston, and Lufkin is 79 miles north of Cleveland, Texas. I will explain.
Go to: theadvertiser.com and put the name Dorothy Hey into the site search there and read the three stories it will bring up. Dorothy Hey is from Lake Arthur, Louisiana, and was reported missing October 20th to Lake Arthur Police Dept. in JEFFERSON DAVIS PARISH right outside Jennings. She was found buried in a padlocked box (shallow grave) on her daughter, Betty Fulton's property. Betty Fulton's sister, Roseann Duhon Klumpp, is charged with 2nd degree murder in her mother's death. Authorities believe Dorothy Hey was killed in Louisiana and transported out of state to a storage facility in Iowa, then to Cleveland, Texas, to Betty Fulton's home. Dorothy Hey is the mother of Betty Fulton and Roseann Klumpp.
Betty Fulton and husband, Robert, have been charged with tampering with evidence, and there are related charges for Gordon Hall, 22, family friend. They further believe that Betty Fulton helped bury the body.

Now it seems all these people mentioned above have something in common. They all have ties to Jefferson Davis Parish. I would not be surprised if Akeem Amon NIXON is not actually Lawrence NIXON. When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, we got inmates in from there all the way up here in Northeast Louisiana. Our facility helped transport them. (I do not work there any longer.) They came in wet, hungry, and tired. There was a problem booking one of them because he was arguing that he wanted to use his new Islamic name and we would not let him because he was sentenced under his original name. It was a mess. They had very little records with them. This inmate's Islamic name was listed as an alias.
This Akeem Amon Nixon guy may be someone who just got out of prison and started using his Islamic name. An unbelieveable number of inmates convert to Islam in prison. Their crimes are usually drug related also.

Sorry for the long post, but I was looking for connections between the victims. And I am glad the FBI is investigating the murders because I do think it should go to FBI rather than local authorities. I fully believe the Gary name is tied into all of it and I mean into Dorothy Hey's murder as well in that I feel they all know each other and know many of the same people. In one of the articles, Brittney Gary's mother says she was asked by the FBI to take a polygraph. I am sorry, but she KNOWS something. I would bet on it. At least she is willing to do that and may already have. (I think it would have been her second one.)

Jennings, La. is on I-10. It is well known to have heavy drug traffic. The route is from California, to the Houston area and on to New Orleans and ending up in Florida. Beaumont, Texas is a port city as well as Lake Charles, La. Lots and lots of drugs.

While I did not get us any answers to the serial killings, I do believe I added more players. I believe T. Gary (won't say her name) could solve this for the FBI if she wanted to. IMO, JMO, and MOO.

AmandaBrown23
12-11-2008, 10:46 AM
im not sure if any of you know but another girl from jennings is missing. I cant find the link yet but I saw it on local news. When i can find it I will post it up

MeoW333
12-12-2008, 01:00 AM
im not sure if any of you know but another girl from jennings is missing. I cant find the link yet but I saw it on local news. When i can find it I will post it up

If you find the link, please post it for us :)

MeoW333
12-12-2008, 01:12 AM
""Serial killing is not a crime. Murder is. That's what's used in court. One was too many, seven is too many. I'm going to continue working these cases individually and collectively. We're going to continue working so that if there are links, we put that puzzle together."
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9374347&nav=0nqx

MeoW333
12-12-2008, 01:15 AM
"Economic developers here promote the town to filmmakers who yearn for a shooting location that has the charm of Southern plantation-style homes with grand columns and a picturesque North Main Street that looks like it hasn’t changed since the 1940s. Murals adorn many of the well-kept buildings.

Over the railroad tracks, South Main Street is lined with shotgun houses of small stature with peeling paint, crumbling porches and plywood boards in place of windows. Residents loiter, gamble and traffic drugs in broad daylight.

“Who would think that a small town like Jennings would have such a big drug problem,” said Menard, who was hired by people close to two of the victims."
http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20081115/UPDATES01/81115014

DeepRedVelvet
12-12-2008, 08:16 AM
Just curious...since the local media seems to be so hush hush, does anyone know what kind of evidence has been found with these poor womens bodies?
dna, items, etc. I read on another crime blog that a cell phone was found, but it didn't belong to the victim and that a couple of hunters spotted some guy near where the last young victim was found and he tried to "hide" when they saw him.
IMO they need to put out the type of car this guy who was hiding was driving and flush him out. Come on, a town of 10,000 and 7 girls in the same neighborhood die, that insane!
It has to be some dealer or someone they all knew.

Also, I read where a few women had there throats cut, just like the latest victim in Lafayette (though I am not convinced she is linked, she had an abusive husband)...what about the other women, any ideas on how they died? Anyone know if they were raped? If they were (as I suspect) then I would be looking at any guy in the area convicted of rape in the past.

AmandaBrown23
12-12-2008, 06:36 PM
Just curious...since the local media seems to be so hush hush, does anyone know what kind of evidence has been found with these poor womens bodies?
dna, items, etc. I read on another crime blog that a cell phone was found, but it didn't belong to the victim and that a couple of hunters spotted some guy near where the last young victim was found and he tried to "hide" when they saw him.
IMO they need to put out the type of car this guy who was hiding was driving and flush him out. Come on, a town of 10,000 and 7 girls in the same neighborhood die, that insane!
It has to be some dealer or someone they all knew.

Also, I read where a few women had there throats cut, just like the latest victim in Lafayette (though I am not convinced she is linked, she had an abusive husband)...what about the other women, any ideas on how they died? Anyone know if they were raped? If they were (as I suspect) then I would be looking at any guy in the area convicted of rape in the past.




From what I understand the famililies of the victims are not even being told anything such as cause of death or anything. They are really keeping the lid shut on this one. I watched the news on Wednesday night and it said another girl was missing since monday but I havent been able to find anything about it so I guess she was found.

mahmoo
12-18-2008, 11:57 AM
Jeff Davis Sheriff Ricky Edwards will hold a press conference at 2 p.m. today on the steps of the parish courthouse.

Edwards did not elaborate on the nature of the press conference. He did say, however, that the Sheriff's Office has not arrested anyone in relation to the deaths.

"We're going to announce some things that we're looking for," he said.


http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081218/NEWS01/812180322

thefragile7393
12-18-2008, 12:43 PM
"Serial killing is not a crime. Murder is. That's what's used in court. One was too many, seven is too many. I'm going to continue working these cases individually and collectively. We're going to continue working so that if there are links, we put that puzzle together.
Bolding mine.

Am I the only one who is confused by what he could have meant with those words?

concernedperson
12-18-2008, 12:44 PM
Jeff Davis Sheriff Ricky Edwards will hold a press conference at 2 p.m. today on the steps of the parish courthouse.

Edwards did not elaborate on the nature of the press conference. He did say, however, that the Sheriff's Office has not arrested anyone in relation to the deaths.

"We're going to announce some things that we're looking for," he said.


http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081218/NEWS01/812180322

Thanks for the update. I am very pleased that the sheriff is asking for help from the public as this may be the only way to nail the creep.Someone may remember a detail or had an encounter that they were able to get away from and never mentioned it before. Please let us know if you hear of anything else.

mahmoo
12-18-2008, 04:28 PM
Sheriff Ricky Edwards said today that a multijurisdictional task force has been formed to investigate the deaths of seven women in the Jennings area of Jeff Davis Parish since 2005.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081218/NEWS01/81218025&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

mahmoo
12-18-2008, 11:48 PM
JENNINGS, LA (KPLC) - The following is a verbatum of what Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff Ricky Edwards said at a press conference about the seven dead women found over the past several years:

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.a...nav=menu66_1_5 (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9550151&nav=menu66_1_5)
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=12555125)

concernedperson
12-19-2008, 11:50 PM
You can go to nola.com and put Akeem Amon Nixon into the search bar and it will take you to the following article concerning this guy.

There was a driveby shooting in Jennings, La., on Thanksgiving day. Akeem Amon NIXON, 21, shot James L. Anderson, 29, in a driveby shooting and is charged with one count of second degree murder, and two counts of attempted first degree murder. NIXON was booked into the Jefferson Davis Parish Jail.
Remember that a Brian Chad Jones and a Lawrence NIXON had been indited and charged with manslaughter in the death of Ernestine Patterson - one of the slain girls. I wonder if this Lawrence NIXON is the same person as Akeem Amon NIXON? He could have converted to Islamic belief.

We know that victim Brittney Gary and her mother, Teresa, had only been back in Jennings from having stayed in Houston and Lufkin with relatives for 4 months. The interesting thing is that Cleveland, Texas, is 45 miles north of Houston, and Lufkin is 79 miles north of Cleveland, Texas. I will explain.
Go to: theadvertiser.com and put the name Dorothy Hey into the site search there and read the three stories it will bring up. Dorothy Hey is from Lake Arthur, Louisiana, and was reported missing October 20th to Lake Arthur Police Dept. in JEFFERSON DAVIS PARISH right outside Jennings. She was found buried in a padlocked box (shallow grave) on her daughter, Betty Fulton's property. Betty Fulton's sister, Roseann Duhon Klumpp, is charged with 2nd degree murder in her mother's death. Authorities believe Dorothy Hey was killed in Louisiana and transported out of state to a storage facility in Iowa, then to Cleveland, Texas, to Betty Fulton's home. Dorothy Hey is the mother of Betty Fulton and Roseann Klumpp.
Betty Fulton and husband, Robert, have been charged with tampering with evidence, and there are related charges for Gordon Hall, 22, family friend. They further believe that Betty Fulton helped bury the body.

Now it seems all these people mentioned above have something in common. They all have ties to Jefferson Davis Parish. I would not be surprised if Akeem Amon NIXON is not actually Lawrence NIXON. When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, we got inmates in from there all the way up here in Northeast Louisiana. Our facility helped transport them. (I do not work there any longer.) They came in wet, hungry, and tired. There was a problem booking one of them because he was arguing that he wanted to use his new Islamic name and we would not let him because he was sentenced under his original name. It was a mess. They had very little records with them. This inmate's Islamic name was listed as an alias.
This Akeem Amon Nixon guy may be someone who just got out of prison and started using his Islamic name. An unbelieveable number of inmates convert to Islam in prison. Their crimes are usually drug related also.

Sorry for the long post, but I was looking for connections between the victims. And I am glad the FBI is investigating the murders because I do think it should go to FBI rather than local authorities. I fully believe the Gary name is tied into all of it and I mean into Dorothy Hey's murder as well in that I feel they all know each other and know many of the same people. In one of the articles, Brittney Gary's mother says she was asked by the FBI to take a polygraph. I am sorry, but she KNOWS something. I would bet on it. At least she is willing to do that and may already have. (I think it would have been her second one.)

Jennings, La. is on I-10. It is well known to have heavy drug traffic. The route is from California, to the Houston area and on to New Orleans and ending up in Florida. Beaumont, Texas is a port city as well as Lake Charles, La. Lots and lots of drugs.

While I did not get us any answers to the serial killings, I do believe I added more players. I believe T. Gary (won't say her name) could solve this for the FBI if she wanted to. IMO, JMO, and MOO.

I missed this post somehow. Yes, you have some players here and more than likely not all are in a series connected to a serial killer. But, independent killings for their own nefarious purposes. I agree I 10 is a huge heavy drug trafficking area and many unsuspecting gnomes have been used for this purpose.

I do think that this is targeted by a serial killer vs. family dynamics or the usual drug thug. I believe someone is using this opportunity to blame it on the drug thugs but it is a bit too selective or targeted. The vulnerable.

My sister travels a lot on this route from Houston to southwest La. to visit my father. I have urged her to not stop for gas or food along this route as I believe the serial killer could escalate. Especially now that more public info has come out...which is good that it has come out but bad for the unsuspecting.

MeoW333
12-20-2008, 01:11 AM
JENNINGS, LA (KPLC) - The following is a verbatum of what Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff Ricky Edwards said at a press conference about the seven dead women found over the past several years:

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.a...nav=menu66_1_5 (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9550151&nav=menu66_1_5)
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=12555125)

This is a good one, this link..

"However most of the time, the offender or offenders in a serial case end up looking as normal as you and me, the typical guy next door. So, when we ask you to call in with information or tips, keep in mind that whoever is responsible for some - if not all of these cases is likely someone who lives in this community or at least visits here and is familiar with the area. Sadly, we need to look to the right and left of us. It could be someone's uncle or father and that is what is painful for our community. I will always give you the facts and pray that you assist us and not speculate."

That's a good one from the Sheriff. I wonder if they think it may be one of their own? At least they are being educated.

From that list of what type of person they're looking for, i'll bet they'll get a lot of calls in. It seems they've been working hard on the case and had been keeping quiet for awhile. Many times, we expect LE to catch a serial killer in a couple hours due to TV. Some of these serial killers are very hard to catch. Everything has to be down to a science so prosecution has a case. The press conference has reassured me. I really hope they don't mind dealing with a lot of tips called in, the description was vague. At least they are trying..

mahmoo
12-20-2008, 12:44 PM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081219/NEWS01/812190325/-1/NEWSFRONT2 At the Jeff Davis Parish courthouse Thursday, Brittany Jones was hoping Sheriff Ricky Edwards would have more answers about what happened to her sister Whitnei Charlene Dubois nearly two years ago.

"I have one question for you," Jones said to Edwards publicly after he presented the new information to residents that day.

"Yes, ma'am," he replied.

"When's the last time you spoke to me?" she said.

"I haven't spoken to you in probably a year and a half," he admitted.

"Why haven't we been questioned?" she fired back. "Why haven't we been asked about the evidence?"
There is also a video at the above link that has interviews with the sisters of two of the victims. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that the sheriff or detectives have not maintained any type of contact with the victim's families :furious:.

MeoW333
12-20-2008, 01:53 PM
"So, when we ask you to call in with information or tips, keep in mind that whoever is responsible for some - if not all of these cases is likely someone who lives in this community or at least visits here and is familiar with the area. Sadly, we need to look to the right and left of us. It could be someone's uncle or father and that is what is painful for our community."
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9550151&nav=menu66_1_5

..maybe someone in law enforcement is the killer?


"Do you know someone who is:
Superficially glib and charming
Self-Confident
Appears non-threatening initially
Physically Strong - not to be confused with someone who works out every day at the gym
Frequents the area where the girls go missing from
Quick to Anger especially if rejected
Lures girls with alcohol and drugs (Crack Cocaine)
May have a formal criminal record involving assaultive behavior with a knife and may include burglary
May not necessarily have a violent criminal history"


http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9550151&nav=menu66_1_5

That list is very vague and i'm sure they'll get a lot of phone calls. I wonder if they have the staff to handle all of that.

MeoW333
12-20-2008, 01:54 PM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081219/NEWS01/812190325/-1/NEWSFRONT2 At the Jeff Davis Parish courthouse Thursday, Brittany Jones was hoping Sheriff Ricky Edwards would have more answers about what happened to her sister Whitnei Charlene Dubois nearly two years ago.

"I have one question for you," Jones said to Edwards publicly after he presented the new information to residents that day.

"Yes, ma'am," he replied.

"When's the last time you spoke to me?" she said.

"I haven't spoken to you in probably a year and a half," he admitted.

"Why haven't we been questioned?" she fired back. "Why haven't we been asked about the evidence?"
There is also a video at the above link that has interviews with the sisters of two of the victims. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that the sheriff or detectives have not maintained any type of contact with the victim's families :furious:.



They certainly haven't shown respect to the victims families. Maybe someone in LE is the killer.
The Feds are working with them, right?
Does anyone know how many federal agents are helping local LE?

mahmoo
12-23-2008, 01:55 AM
It's interesting that Edwards neglected to give a "break down" of who is on the task force.

Just a reminder to anyone still interested in this case......three of the seven bodies were found in May 05, May 07 and May 08. Does that mean anything?? I dunno......think it's worth noting though.

mahmoo
12-23-2008, 02:07 AM
For all you locals......who was gone from that area from Jun 05 to Mar 07? Almost two years. Then gone again from May 07 to May 08?

mae
12-23-2008, 03:47 AM
Bolding mine.

Am I the only one who is confused by what he could have meant with those words?

I read it as they are only now paying attention to it now that it's been labeled as a "possible" serial killer. LE should have been aggressively targeting it from day one--from the first murder it should have been a priority. Not just as it becomes a "possible" serial killer, which is what appears to be happening (only getting media and LE attention now that it's been viewed in this manner). If that makes sense.

AdoraBlue
12-23-2008, 08:02 AM
For all you locals......who was gone from that area from Jun 05 to Mar 07? Almost two years. Then gone again from May 07 to May 08?

Not quite local but Katrina/Rita could fit into this timeframe with possible displacement of the killer or disruption of his plans?

thefragile7393
12-23-2008, 02:33 PM
Thank you mae, I turned that over and over in my brain many times and was hoping it was a misprint, and not a direct quote. Your explanation makes sense :)

fran
12-23-2008, 02:40 PM
It's interesting that Edwards neglected to give a "break down" of who is on the task force.

Just a reminder to anyone still interested in this case......three of the seven bodies were found in May 05, May 07 and May 08. Does that mean anything?? I dunno......think it's worth noting though.

Someone that's away for college? Many colleges start their summer break in May.

Just a thought,
fran

MeoW333
12-23-2008, 02:46 PM
I read it as they are only now paying attention to it now that it's been labeled as a "possible" serial killer. LE should have been aggressively targeting it from day one--from the first murder it should have been a priority. Not just as it becomes a "possible" serial killer, which is what appears to be happening (only getting media and LE attention now that it's been viewed in this manner). If that makes sense.

The serial killer must be offended and pissed off that LE is not paying him that much attention or bothering to give him a nickname. I wonder if he'll act out again somehow to give us clues.

concernedperson
12-23-2008, 11:26 PM
The serial killer must be offended and pissed off that LE is not paying him that much attention or bothering to give him a nickname. I wonder if he'll act out again somehow to give us clues.

They usually escalate so this possible. It depends on what stressors are in his life and given the economy, creating more pressure on everyone, he may become more active. He has a hatred for females so I wonder what the females in his life are experiencing??

mahmoo
12-24-2008, 12:00 PM
http://www.americanpress.com/lc/blogs/wpnewssum/?p=4677

A legislative committee on Friday appropriated $250,000 to help law enforcers investigate the deaths of seven women since 2005 in Jeff Davis Parish.

The Joint Legislative Committee on the Budget authorized the money to pay expenses and overtime for state police and the Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff’s Office’s Multi-agency Investigative Team.

DeepRedVelvet
12-28-2008, 06:21 PM
For all you locals......who was gone from that area from Jun 05 to Mar 07? Almost two years. Then gone again from May 07 to May 08?

Very interesting thought process. I was actually thinking along similar lines...only who might have been "in" the area during the times of the murder and who perhaps suddenly is spending more time closer to Jennings.
It could go either way. A local who has to travel or someone who hunts or works periodically in Jennings area. Are their any rodeos or special hunting events or any events that bring people to Jennings in the month of May?

LaLaw2000
12-28-2008, 08:57 PM
Not quite local but Katrina/Rita could fit into this timeframe with possible displacement of the killer or disruption of his plans?

Yes, I had posted in a rather long post that inmates from New Orleans and surrounding parishes were housed in my parish during and even after Katrina/Rita. Some of those inmates remained in the facility until they got out a year or so later or were transfered back down south Louisiana.

Some were parole violations and so forth that even had to be transported back to their particular parish for court.

I honestly believe that there is a possibility that this serial killer could have been incarcerated during the lull in the killings. Maybe it was drug related. Who knows? One thing for sure is that this killer needs to be found and made to pay for what he has done.

These women may not have been model citizens, but their lives WERE important to friends and family - someone loved them. I did not know any of the victims, but their lives meant something to me.

I look forward to checking this thread and one day reading that this evil murdering person has been apprehended!!!

AdoraBlue
12-29-2008, 09:29 AM
These women may not have been model citizens, but their lives WERE important to friends and family - someone loved them. I did not know any of the victims, but their lives meant something to me.

I look forward to checking this thread and one day reading that this evil murdering person has been apprehended!!!

I totally agree! Louisiana leads the nation in a lot of bad things, one of which is violence against women.

concernedperson
12-29-2008, 09:49 AM
Yes, I had posted in a rather long post that inmates from New Orleans and surrounding parishes were housed in my parish during and even after Katrina/Rita. Some of those inmates remained in the facility until they got out a year or so later or were transfered back down south Louisiana.

Some were parole violations and so forth that even had to be transported back to their particular parish for court.

I honestly believe that there is a possibility that this serial killer could have been incarcerated during the lull in the killings. Maybe it was drug related. Who knows? One thing for sure is that this killer needs to be found and made to pay for what he has done.

These women may not have been model citizens, but their lives WERE important to friends and family - someone loved them. I did not know any of the victims, but their lives meant something to me.

I look forward to checking this thread and one day reading that this evil murdering person has been apprehended!!!

It would be easy for LE to check who was incarcerated during that time frame. I would also check military records for locals and see what deployment dates were available. Then, I would check mental institutions for admit/discharge dates. Jennings is so small that this would not be a monumental task.

After all of this has been ruled out or in, then I would widen the search area. For one thing, I don't believe a serial would stop killing for almost 2 years but anything is possible.

DeepRedVelvet
12-29-2008, 03:07 PM
Hello all. I am from Youngsville, so maybe someone can help. I vaguely remember a short while after Derrick Todd Lee was captured, that the first Jennings victim was reported found. I thought I remembered she was tied up? I know, partially nude maybe? I wish I had kept that article, because it had the most info...since she was the first before the police became tip lipped. Then right after Sean Gillis was caught, another prostitute was found in Baton Rouge area, a park I believe. Does this ring a bell? As most of ya'll know..lots of those prostitutes murders (in BR)were never solved and to be quite honest, I assumed it was Sean Gillis, however after that last one, whom I assumed was random, I am beginning to wonder now. I am pretty good about keeping up with murders and I know that Lafayette, really hasn't had anything spooky, with the exception of that recent woman, anyone know of any other location that is having women...drug related or such having turned up missing or dead. Say Opelousas or Alexandria?
Just curious.

LaLaw2000
12-29-2008, 03:23 PM
It would be easy for LE to check who was incarcerated during that time frame. I would also check military records for locals and see what deployment dates were available. Then, I would check mental institutions for admit/discharge dates. Jennings is so small that this would not be a monumental task.

After all of this has been ruled out or in, then I would widen the search area. For one thing, I don't believe a serial would stop killing for almost 2 years but anything is possible.


I would certainly hope this has been done, concernedperson. Good idea about the military records! I do know Ft. Polk is not an unreasonable distance away. National Guard go there for training before they deploy. Some National Guard units go there for the once a month training weekends, I believe.

Checking the mental institution records in Jackson, Louisiana is a good idea as well. They do have a building seperate from the other buildings for the criminally insane. This facility is located not too far from Baton Rouge and is a regional one.

I agree that all of the above would be rather easy to do. At this point, I honestly believe that the FBI should be overseeing the investigation. Maybe these women had a drug problem and maybe some were prostitutes with a high risk lifestyle, but their lives were important. I want to see an arrest or arrests in this case!

concernedperson
12-29-2008, 03:37 PM
Hello all. I am from Youngsville, so maybe someone can help. I vaguely remember a short while after Derrick Todd Lee was captured, that the first Jennings victim was reported found. I thought I remembered she was tied up? I know, partially nude maybe? I wish I had kept that article, because it had the most info...since she was the first before the police became tip lipped. Then right after Sean Gillis was caught, another prostitute was found in Baton Rouge area, a park I believe. Does this ring a bell? As most of ya'll know..lots of those prostitutes murders (in BR)were never solved and to be quite honest, I assumed it was Sean Gillis, however after that last one, whom I assumed was random, I am beginning to wonder now. I am pretty good about keeping up with murders and I know that Lafayette, really hasn't had anything spooky, with the exception of that recent woman, anyone know of any other location that is having women...drug related or such having turned up missing or dead. Say Opelousas or Alexandria?
Just curious.

Derrick Todd Lee was arrested in 2003 and went to trial in August 2004 so this was way before the first Jennings murder. Now, with that said, I vaguely remember a murder of a woman in Calcasieu Parish around that time frame that I never heard anything about after it was reported.

I agree about all the Baton Rouge murders being more than one or two serial killers as some of the murders went back to the 80's when Lee and Gillis would have been too young. When I was actively following the BR serial killings I believe we counted 60 missing and murdered just in that one area.

Please share with us the info on the Lafayette woman as I would like to know what happened and who she was. TIA.

MeoW333
12-29-2008, 04:39 PM
Here is a link to a good article i found on the google:

http://digitopus.com/?cat=568

"Muggy's death was different. Though reports on nearly all of the victims have been inconclusive due to advanced stages of decomp, Muggy's body was nearly still warm when it was found. Did the killer want her found sooner? Why leave her within miles of a known police shooting range? Was he taunting police, or was this a message to other young women in the area who knew too much?"

The above link is a really really good read, i recommend it for anyone who has an interest in this case. I cannot stress enough, there is a lot of good info in it! =)

That's just a snippet from the whole article. It really gives a lot of information on the murdered girls and how they knew each other. It shows the crappy work done by local LE, who basically blame the girl's murders on their lifestyles; which is not their fault they were killed.
Many serial killers will kill prostitutes or drug addicts since the police take that less seriously than if they kill a CEO's daughter. The local LE needs to start taking it seriously.

MeoW333
12-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Does anyone know if LE were able to get any prints or DNA off any of the victims? If they have been able too, they can run it through the database to see if it was anyone with a record. (juvenile records, and mental health records too)

concernedperson
12-29-2008, 05:35 PM
Here is a link to a good article i found on the google:

http://digitopus.com/?cat=568

"Muggy's death was different. Though reports on nearly all of the victims have been inconclusive due to advanced stages of decomp, Muggy's body was nearly still warm when it was found. Did the killer want her found sooner? Why leave her within miles of a known police shooting range? Was he taunting police, or was this a message to other young women in the area who knew too much?"

The above link is a really really good read, i recommend it for anyone who has an interest in this case. I cannot stress enough, there is a lot of good info in it! =)

That's just a snippet from the whole article. It really gives a lot of information on the murdered girls and how they knew each other. It shows the crappy work done by local LE, who basically blame the girl's murders on their lifestyles; which is not their fault they were killed.
Many serial killers will kill prostitutes or drug addicts since the police take that less seriously than if they kill a CEO's daughter. The local LE needs to start taking it seriously.

Great info in the article. Specifically the fact that Rapides Parish (Alexandria) is looking at these case because of 6 (SIX) unsolved murders of their own. Folks, that is 13 murdered and/or missing women in smaller communities. That is a lot.

One of the other things that the article mentions is that the Jennings victims were related or knew each....not unusual in Louisiana, especially South Louisiana. I am originally from the area and related to half and know the other half. Or, a working knowledge of the families or can find out in a hurry etc. Small villages are like that.

I am glad for the media inference here as this will put the heat on to do something about it.

MeoW333
12-29-2008, 07:20 PM
CP, so true, i hope different local LE departments can work together and share everything; there may be even more similiar cases that can be linked.
IMO, a lot of times connections to cases can be overlooked since another department may not be aware; they really need to cooperate wholeheartedly together in the hunt for the killer if they want to solve it faster.

"Stephen Kartsimas and Steven Reed, two Rapides Parish sheriff's detectives, have also been noted as closely following the case and attempting to link it - if possible - to similar cold cases in their area. According to the detective, six women's bodies have been found in their area (between Lake Charles and Lafayette) since 2005; the latest just this past September. Yet there is another, more personal, reason for getting involved: Detective Kartsimas is on a personal quest to identify a "Jane Doe" whose body was found off I-49 near the Lena exit 11 years ago, and to catch her killer. The Jennings area killings definitely "raise a red flag" for Det. Kartsimas, and he - along with Detective Reed, head of the new Cold Case Task Force - have asked the Rapides Parish Sheriff's office to make contact with Jefferson Davis Parish officials."

http://digitopus.com/?cat=568

MeoW333
12-29-2008, 07:42 PM
Loretta Lynn Chaisson - May 20, 2005

Ernestine Marie Daniel Patterson - June 18, 2005

Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez - March 8, 2007

Whitnei Charlene Dubois - May 12, 2007

LaConia Shontel "Muggy" Brown - May 28, 2008

Crystal Shay Benoit Zeno - September 11, 2008
Brittany Ann Gary - November 15, 2008

Above are the murdered Jennings women. (i just wanted to repost the time line again)

Rapides County is about 2 hours maybe a little less from Jennings, LA.

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081123/NEWS01/811230302

"And the recent talk of a serial killer in Jefferson Davis Parish -- with a total of seven women's bodies found there since 2005 -- has given detectives a renewed interest in at least two local unsolved cases, that of Jane Doe found on the side of Interstate 49 near the Lena exit in 1998 and the 2004 strangulation death of Shamekka Garnette, 20, of Alexandria.Garnette's body was found dumped in a ditch off Old Boyce Highway near Interstate 49. The cause of death or the identity of the badly decomposed Jane Doe have yet to be determined."

shannahg
12-29-2008, 10:46 PM
Hello all. I am from Youngsville, so maybe someone can help. I vaguely remember a short while after Derrick Todd Lee was captured, that the first Jennings victim was reported found. I thought I remembered she was tied up? I know, partially nude maybe? I wish I had kept that article, because it had the most info...since she was the first before the police became tip lipped. Then right after Sean Gillis was caught, another prostitute was found in Baton Rouge area, a park I believe. Does this ring a bell? As most of ya'll know..lots of those prostitutes murders (in BR)were never solved and to be quite honest, I assumed it was Sean Gillis, however after that last one, whom I assumed was random, I am beginning to wonder now. I am pretty good about keeping up with murders and I know that Lafayette, really hasn't had anything spooky, with the exception of that recent woman, anyone know of any other location that is having women...drug related or such having turned up missing or dead. Say Opelousas or Alexandria?
Just curious.

Deep Red,
Funny you should ask that question because it crossed my mind as well. I do not know of any that were not solved here (Baton Rouge area) but I do remember that some of Derrick Todd Lee's victims were from the Lafayette (and I thought Jennings) area, or at least dumped there. He also had some near LSU in Baton Rouge.
As far as the latest victims they are trying to solve, I am not sure if they have DNA from all to show it is the same person committing the murders or not. It may or may not be more than one person although they do seem to have been murdered in the same fashion.
I remember with the Derrick Todd Lee case, it took forever for the various LE in different areas of the state to cooperate with each other. Not sure if we are still having the same problem or not but I hope this is all straightened up since the more they work together the better the chances of solving this thing are, MOO

DeepRedVelvet
12-30-2008, 03:17 PM
Don't forget Teresa GIlcrease, Alexandria?? She was found outside, naked..and stabbed. ?
She was during the Derrick Todd Lee fiasco.

She was actually seen leaving a bar with a guy. Anyone know if that was solved? They tried to pin it on a cop. ? But, charges were dropped.

DeepRedVelvet
12-30-2008, 03:25 PM
Derrick Todd Lee was arrested in 2003 and went to trial in August 2004 so this was way before the first Jennings murder. Now, with that said, I vaguely remember a murder of a woman in Calcasieu Parish around that time frame that I never heard anything about after it was reported.

I agree about all the Baton Rouge murders being more than one or two serial killers as some of the murders went back to the 80's when Lee and Gillis would have been too young. When I was actively following the BR serial killings I believe we counted 60 missing and murdered just in that one area.

Please share with us the info on the Lafayette woman as I would like to know what happened and who she was. TIA.

Hey. The Lafayette woman I spoke of was the one found recently. Acadiana Park perhaps? SHe was found by the runner and had a splotchy past and a hothead husband/ex? Regardless, I know Jennings came over there and had a series of meetings about the investigation. No one has formally announced it linked, but I haven't heard word on an arrest of the husband either. Lafayette is HORRIBLE about reporting crimes. A friend lived in a new Breaux Bridge subdivision and found out a Mexican worker who helped build the house had been living in her attic for MONTHS. (He and his wife) They would use their bathrooms and kitchen when they were gone. Never saw an iota on the news. So, It would not surprise me for this to be linked and no one says anthing, so not to cause the panic of Derrick Todd Lee.

DeepRedVelvet
12-30-2008, 03:39 PM
Sorry to keep posting. I could have sworn it was around the time of Derrick's arrest, maybe 6 months after...The woman I am thinking of was a runaway or drug user and was found in a canal just north of Jennings. Robert's Cove? Or maybe she was from there. Was that Loretta or is this someone else? I just assumed it was the 1st victim.
Anybody remember this?

MeoW333
01-02-2009, 08:55 AM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081208/NEWS01/81208033/1002

Here is a link to an article regarding the woman's body being found.

"Lafayette detectives have identified the dead woman found near Acadiana Park this weekend as Bonnie Ruphard, 47.
The woman was found early Saturday morning in a wooded area near the park in the 400 block of Lajaunie Road.
A runner participating in a Half Marathon at Acadiana Park observed a body lying in the wooded area."

MeoW333
01-02-2009, 09:03 AM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081210/NEWS01/812100334/1002

Here's background info on the woman whose body was found in Arcadiana Park.

"Investigators have released little information about how she died but said the woman's death was ruled a homicide.Information about how long the woman had been in the wooded area near Acadiana Park has not been released despite a completed autopsy report.
The woman, originally from Illinois, had apparently been traveling with a group of people who did contract work around the country, according to Lafayette Police Department spokesman Cpl. Paul Mouton."


It goes on to say she had been in a woman's shelter due to an abusive exhusband.



"But Ruphard had apparently been in Burlington, Iowa, and was going by her married name - Bonnie Fay Hatfield.
She allegedly had been a victim of domestic violence committed by her husband, 28-year-old Lambert James Hatfield, according to Char Blodgett, director of a domestic violence shelter in Des Moines."


She also had children and grandchildren


"No matter who my mother may have been, she did not deserve to die," she said. "They took my mother. They took my friend. They took my children's grandmother."

I don't think it would be too hard to figure out whether or not her exhusband was involved in her death. That would rule her out or not as to if she is a victim of the same killer as the Jennings' girls..

MeoW333
01-02-2009, 09:09 AM
"
But it has been ruled a homicide, and there are reports that the Illinois native was found stabbed in the neck before she was found Dec. 6.
Mouton said investigators are still trying to tie loose ends in the investigation to find a suspect.
Authorities believe Ruphard was last seen in the Cameron Street area around 1 a.m. Dec. 5 and frequented the area known as Four Corners.
Investigators say Ruphard, who also went by the names Bonnie Hatfield and Bonnie Sanchez, had recently moved to Lafayette with her boyfriend 28-year-old Lambert Hatfield and was living in a motel on Cameron Street.
Court records indicate that the man pleaded guilty to domestic abuse charges filed against him from fights with Ruphard when they lived in Des Moines County, Iowa just months ago.
He was recently interviewed by police, but has not been named as a suspect.
"He has and continues to be cooperative with investigators," Mouton said."
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081230/NEWS01/812300318/1002

Ruphard's boyfriend/ husband? seems to be cooperating.

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9514208

"A vehicle was seen in the area with in the time frame of Ruphard's disappearance. The vehicle is believed to be a GM or Dodge pickup; early to mid-2000 model; full size/extended cab; fleet side; reverse lights on bottom of taillights; dark "Hunter" green."

concernedperson
01-02-2009, 09:48 AM
"
But it has been ruled a homicide, and there are reports that the Illinois native was found stabbed in the neck before she was found Dec. 6.
Mouton said investigators are still trying to tie loose ends in the investigation to find a suspect.
Authorities believe Ruphard was last seen in the Cameron Street area around 1 a.m. Dec. 5 and frequented the area known as Four Corners.
Investigators say Ruphard, who also went by the names Bonnie Hatfield and Bonnie Sanchez, had recently moved to Lafayette with her boyfriend 28-year-old Lambert Hatfield and was living in a motel on Cameron Street.
Court records indicate that the man pleaded guilty to domestic abuse charges filed against him from fights with Ruphard when they lived in Des Moines County, Iowa just months ago.
He was recently interviewed by police, but has not been named as a suspect.
"He has and continues to be cooperative with investigators," Mouton said."
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20081230/NEWS01/812300318/1002

Ruphard's boyfriend/ husband? seems to be cooperating.

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9514208

"A vehicle was seen in the area with in the time frame of Ruphard's disappearance. The vehicle is believed to be a GM or Dodge pickup; early to mid-2000 model; full size/extended cab; fleet side; reverse lights on bottom of taillights; dark "Hunter" green."

Thanks for the articles as it helps a lot. It seems that LE is focusing on this truck for some reason. Could be someone saw her get into this vehicle or saw the vehicle slow down around her. Of course, the boyfriend with domestic abuse background is worrisome too.

DeepRedVelvet
01-02-2009, 01:34 PM
How he got these women into his vehicle without ANY one noticing a young woman getting into a stopped vehicle.
With the last victim, we know she was walking home. Was it dark? I thought it was around 630. He'd have to have pulled up next to her or been parked somewhere already and stopped her to talk. Yet, no businesses or cars driving by saw anything. It's so strange.
How can this person be so lucky?
Anyone from Jennings know her route home? Any darkly lit streets? Bars?, known drug dealers? etc.

LaLaw2000
01-05-2009, 07:59 AM
I keep checking back for updates hoping this murdering POS has been arrested.

mahmoo
01-10-2009, 08:10 PM
No new info really on these cases......here's snippets from recent media coverage though:


A tip line devoted to developing leads into the deaths of seven women found in Jefferson Davis Parish over the past 3 1/2 years has generated about 25 calls but little information since its inception in mid-December, according to an official.
“Most of the calls have yielded information that we already had and one of the calls was on a case out of state,” Edwards wrote Tuesday in an e-mail........continued (http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/37186924.html?showAll=y&c=y)



The family of possible serial killer victim Laconia “Muggy” Brown will hold a march and a memorial service on Saturday, Jan. 24 in remembrance of their loved one. Source (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/news.php?id=2564)



A blog (http://jdpkiller.wordpress.com/) detailing the deaths.

Kat
01-10-2009, 08:31 PM
I'm still in the process of reading this thread and am only on about page 2.

I did a quick search and found this from D. Lohr on Criminal Report Daily dated 01 JAN 09:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/01/another-serial.html

I'll go back to reading now:)

concernedperson
01-10-2009, 08:32 PM
I think this killer is unknown to most or all in Jeff Davis Parish. But, he is familiar with the area, and others. I think he is familiar with "dark of night" activities and who might be also. He is a spotter like most serial killers and will take advantage of the vulnerable and knows how.

He is similar to the Houma serial killer as far as targeting the vulnerable but his targets are women not young men. I think the profiler in the blog was wrong about the killer having a family....I think he is a loner as it takes time to stalk similar to the Houma killer.

Derrick Todd Lee and Sean Gillis both had significant others in their lives...Lee's was occasional and Gillis's was a live in who didn't care what he did and may have participated to a degree. (JMO) So, in essence free time was available to these men vs. a structured family environment.

I would be looking at someone who comes and goes without rhyme or reason and doesn't have constant interaction with family. The loner, the family weirdo, etc. I would bet he has also had LE interaction if not from afar. I would look at juvvy records too. Arson crimes as well as crimes against animals. Peeping tom crimes too.

I truly believe this is a serial killer and he won't stop now that he has escalated to this degree.

mahmoo
01-10-2009, 08:38 PM
Those of you following the case of these mysterious deaths might find this interesting:

The following “killer profile” was posted at topix.com (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/T3JEN2GTIOQ6S2DSM) on 12/24/08 by belluslitas - Post #18. Please keep in mind this is not an official profile……..it is simply the observation and opinion of a student majoring in Criminal Justice:
Also of interest, a friend of mine who is a Criminal Justice major has said, “I think he is in his 40’s, I also think more that he is white. I think he is picking his females in that general area because he is very familiar with it, he feels very comfortable there. I don’t think this is some broke looser that is doing this either, I think he works and maintains a small family. I think he will kill and kill until he is caught. He is very clever and is covering his tracks very well. I think he lures the young naive girls in his vehicle with drugs and money…..when he gets them there he gets them really high and intoxicated…..I don’t think he can kill if they are straight. I think drugging them makes him feel comfortable with what he does. He finds pleasure when he reads the bodies were found…..I think he wants them found, he takes no trouble to really try to dispose of the bodies. I think he will soon kill again….its in his blood now and when they have killed this many they just boil over for another kill….I think he is smart enough that it will take the authorities a few more kills to catch this one, he seems like he has a very bold personality.” I did receive permission from the poster to quote her post. I think the criminal justice student’s profile is quite chilling and definitely worthy of consideration.

Kat
01-12-2009, 08:26 AM
I am still reading through all of the postings here and will go back and reread but I have some very stupid questions for those who are following this case, TIA if you take the time to answer!

1. Clearly this town is divided as towns were in the past, North side of town and South side of town, divided by railroad tracks. South side of town being referenced as the black side of town...not the word used in a previous post, but I'm sensitive to the use of words that could be percieved as slurs, so I'm not going to use that word. So my question is this for those who know...In the year 2009, is it still unusual to see someone from the north side come over the tracks? Would it catch someone's attention, would it catch someone's attention if a stranger drove through?

2. Is the name fast food restaurant that one of the victims worked at known? Was it one of the chain franchised fast foods (McD's etc.)? Or was it a locally owned food stand? Where was this FF restaurant located? What were the hours of operation?

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 09:29 AM
Kat, I don't know the answer to your 1st question but, in regards to your 2nd one, this is what I've been able to come up with so far:


Loretta Lewis was known to "hang around" the local Sonic
Crystal Zeno worked at the Sonic in Lake Arthur (about 20 minutes from Jennings)
Ernestine Patterson worked at Wendy's with Brittney Gary's mother

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 09:36 AM
Kat, I don't know the answer to your 1st question but, in regards to your 2nd one, this is what I've been able to come up with so far:


Loretta Lewis was known to "hang around" the local Sonic
Crystal Zeno worked at the Sonic in Lake Arthur (about 20 minutes from Jennings)
Ernestine Patterson worked at Wendy's with Brittney Gary's mother

I've assimilated a lot of this info on my blog (http://jdpkiller.wordpress.com/).

Is Sonic and Wendy's right off I 10? Or, is a drive through town necessary?

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 09:37 AM
He is similar to the Houma serial killer as far as targeting the vulnerable but his targets are women not young men. I think the profiler in the blog was wrong about the killer having a family....I think he is a loner as it takes time to stalk similar to the Houma killer.

..........(JMO) So, in essence free time was available to these men vs. a structured family environment.


Hi concerned :seeya:

Interesting profile you posted although as far as the person being married/having a family........it's definitely not out of the question......remember the BTK serial killer (Dennis Rader) was married, with children, and still managed to stalk his victims.

Kat
01-12-2009, 09:45 AM
Thank you mahmoo for sharing your blog with me. I bookmarked it to go back and peruse:).

Wendy's was the name of the restaurant I was looking for :). It is located where I assumed it would be. OT: I have lived near or driven through many small towns while we have been stationed in the south (not in LA though) and there seems to be what I call a "restaurant row" in most of them. FF restaurants on one road that seem to be lined up, or within a short distance of one another.

As for my first question, way back when that was how things were. I don't know how things are now in the south because I haven't visited family down there (rural MS, shreveport LA, rural area near Memphis TN) since I was a child.

Just trying to get a feel for this town is all, thanks!

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 09:55 AM
Hi concerned :seeya:

Interesting profile you posted although as far as the person being married/having a family........it's definitely not out of the question......remember the BTK serial killer (Dennis Rader) was married, with children, and still managed to stalk his victims.

That's true about Rader except his killings stopped in 1991 and began in the 70's. He started drawing attention to himself in 2004 by letters to the media. I am thinking those years of "retirement" were because his children were young and at home and required more care. By the time he was wanting attention again in 2004 his children were out of the house. IIRC, the children were in their 20's when he was arrested.

Kat
01-12-2009, 09:56 AM
Is Sonic and Wendy's right off I 10? Or, is a drive through town necessary?


If I looked at the map correctly, it looks as if it's very close to I-10.

This road, Elton Rd. also looks (my perception) as if it's a major thoroughfare for this town. Lot's of people coming and going, travelers exiting the I-10 for meals.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 10:12 AM
If I looked at the map correctly, it looks as if it's very close to I-10.

This road, Elton Rd. also looks (my perception) as if it's a major thoroughfare for this town. Lot's of people coming and going, travelers exiting the I-10 for meals.

Here's a map (sorry it's so big).....they're both very close to I-10.
Sonic - 1518 Elton Rd
Wendy's - 1701 Elton Rd


http://i39.tinypic.com/k0rhir.jpg

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 10:13 AM
That's true about Rader except his killings stopped in 1991 and began in the 70's. He started drawing attention to himself in 2004 by letters to the media. I am thinking those years of "retirement" were because his children were young and at home and required more care. By the time he was wanting attention again in 2004 his children were out of the house. IIRC, the children were in their 20's when he was arrested.

That's true.......good point.

Kat
01-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Interesting that Elton road is also known as Highway 26. As discussed earlier in this thread Highway 26 runs through Jennings to Lake Charles. At Lake Charles it turns into Highway 14 and meanders off into rural LA.

Have I got that much correct? :)

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 10:48 AM
I found something interesting as I was gathering the info for the blog. It was in an article (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/arch_news.php?id=1470) I had read previously but at the time it didn't really stand out or catch my eye until I read it for a second time. It's regarding 5th victim Muggy Brown:
The 23-year-old’s body was found shortly after 2 a.m. on May 29 on East Racca Road by a Jennings police officer on a routine patrol.She is the only victim, so far, that was found by a law enforcement officer......all the others were found by private citizens. The thing that stood out to me is the fact that the officer was "routinely" patrolling that area at 2 in the morning. It was on Racca Road leading to the police shooting range and is a rural area just inside the Jennings city limit.

When I posted that information on another forum, a poster that lives in the area responded by posting that when you drive on Racca Road, the beginning of the street is paved then turns into a dirt road. They said it is very dark in that area at night and is considered "out of the way". They also said that many of the locals wonder about the officer finding her at that time of the night/morning in that location.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 10:50 AM
Interesting that Elton road is also known as Highway 26. As discussed earlier in this thread Highway 26 runs through Jennings to Lake Charles. At Lake Charles it turns into Highway 14 and meanders off into rural LA.

Have I got that much correct? :)

Highway 26 leads to Lake Arthur :blowkiss:

Kat
01-12-2009, 10:59 AM
When I posted that information on another forum, a poster that lives in the area responded by posting that when you drive on Racca Road, the beginning of the street is paved then turns into a dirt road. They said it is very dark in that area at night and is considered "out of the way". They also said that many of the locals wonder about the officer finding her at that time of the night/morning in that location.

<very respectfully snipped:)>

I was trying to look at the dump sites on the google map of Jennings. It's difficult to zoom and such because only street names are given.

Victims: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 are in reasonably close proximity to Racca Road. Each dump site can be accessed by exiting Highway 26. They look like a cluster.

I'm trying to figure out how convienent the travel from Highway 26 would be from where the above mentioned victims were found to where victims 3 and 7 were found. It appears that there is a road that may run from one area to another but there is a dog leg turn in that road called 1126.

Kat
01-12-2009, 11:02 AM
Highway 26 leads to Lake Arthur :blowkiss:


Thanks for humoring me mahoo! I'm a newbie! :blowkiss:

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 11:16 AM
I found something interesting as I was gathering the info for the blog. It was in an article (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/arch_news.php?id=1470) I had read previously but at the time it didn't really stand out or catch my eye until I read it for a second time. It's regarding 5th victim Muggy Brown:
She is the only victim, so far, that was found by a law enforcement officer......all the others were found by private citizens. The thing that stood out to me is the fact that the officer was "routinely" patrolling that area at 2 in the morning. It was on Racca Road leading to the police shooting range and is a rural area just inside the Jennings city limit.

When I posted that information on another forum, a poster that lives in the area responded by posting that when you drive on Racca Road, the beginning of the street is paved then turns into a dirt road. They said it is very dark in that area at night and is considered "out of the way". They also said that many of the locals wonder about the officer finding her at that time of the night/morning in that location.

I read that and wondered about it myself. He would be, of course, familiar with the area as the police shooting range was located there and most LE work 12 hour shifts. What I think happened is he was patroling and smelled the decomposition as this was in May and it was a newly murdered victim and he investigated more thoroughly.

If the police officer was the serial killer I would doubt he would open himself up to intense investigation by pointing out the remains. But, stranger things have happened.

Kat
01-12-2009, 11:35 AM
After reading a lot of the posts on here and following the links to articles, my gut feeling is that this man that is doing these murders has connections to the Lake Charles. I would be surprised if he is a truck driver, or one of the drug runners that access I-10 to run their drugs.

He is picking them up in Jennings. He is dumping the bodies at the outskirts of Jennings off a highway that runs to Lake Charles.

Where is he killing them? In that rural area where their bodies are dumped? Does he pick them up, kill them and dump their bodies on his way home to Lake Charles?

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 11:44 AM
Thanks for humoring me mahoo! I'm a newbie! :blowkiss:

LOL........no problem........it's confusing and I have to keep referring to the maps myself.

Try this map (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=30.143197%7E-92.724953&style=r&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1&cid=60C91F7C872664B2%21165) and see if it helps you figure out travel routes you were asking about. If you put your mouse on the left edge of the map the two arrows will come up and you can pull them to the left past the location descriptions and make the map larger. You can zoom in and out too.

Kat
01-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Mahoo, do you think they may have stepped up patrol of that area, at all times of the night since she was number 5 and other than number 3 all of the victims were found in fairly close proximity? Would that be an explanation of why the policeman was out there at that time of night?

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 11:52 AM
After reading a lot of the posts on here and following the links to articles, my gut feeling is that this man that is doing these murders has connections to the Lake Charles. I would be surprised if he is a truck driver, or one of the drug runners that access I-10 to run their drugs.

He is picking them up in Jennings. He is dumping the bodies at the outskirts of Jennings off a highway that runs to Lake Charles.

Where is he killing them? In that rural area where their bodies are dumped? Does he pick them up, kill them and dump their bodies on his way home to Lake Charles?

I don't think it's a "stranger" though due to the fact that all the victims knew each other or were related.

Sheriff Edward's has said they don't think the victims were killed where their bodies were found.......he thinks they were killed elsewhere and then the bodies transported to where they were eventually found.

Kat
01-12-2009, 11:54 AM
LOL........no problem........it's confusing and I have to keep referring to the maps myself.

Try this map (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=30.143197%7E-92.724953&style=r&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1&cid=60C91F7C872664B2%21165) and see if it helps you figure out travel routes you were asking about. If you put your mouse on the left edge of the map the two arrows will come up and you can pull them to the left past the location descriptions and make the map larger. You can zoom in and out too.


Awesome TY! :clap:

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:01 PM
The map you gave me mahoo states that :

"7th victim Brittney Gary, 17, found Nov 15, 2008. Disappears Nov 2 after walking to a nearby Family Dollar Store to purchase minutes for her cell phone. The body is found in the grass off Keystone Road, a half-mile south of La. 1126"

I could only find one listing for a family dollar located in Jennings LA. The address is: 414 W Plaquemine St, Jennings, LA.

A google map of this address shows that it is very close to (looks approximately about a block) Highway 26.

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:02 PM
Do we have a map of where the victims lived?

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 12:03 PM
Mahoo, do you think they may have stepped up patrol of that area, at all times of the night since she was number 5 and other than number 3 all of the victims were found in fairly close proximity? Would that be an explanation of why the policeman was out there at that time of night?

I really don't think so Kat. The reason I say that is because a year had passed since the last victim was found prior to #5:


Victim #4 (Whitnei Dubois) was found May 12, 2007
Victim #5 (Muggy Brown) was found May 29, 2008

Of course it's entirely possible they were keeping a close eye on that particular area but one would have to wonder why since the prior victims were found in other locations.

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:09 PM
You're right Mahoo, I wouldn't discount LE at this point. I would even extend the pool by looking at someone that associated with LE in some way or another (bleach used at one crime scene on victim). Even someone that socializes with LE.

AmandaBrown23
01-12-2009, 12:18 PM
I highly doubt its someone in Lake Charles area but it is a possibility. Most people that live here dont know a lot of people in Jennings usually just family. Whoever did this knew them all. We havent had any murders like this at all here. We have however had an increased crime rate lately. I would agree that the suspect is either someone who knows LE really well or has done his homework. I cannot believe they havent caught this guy yet.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 12:20 PM
The map you gave me mahoo states that :

"7th victim Brittney Gary, 17, found Nov 15, 2008. Disappears Nov 2 after walking to a nearby Family Dollar Store to purchase minutes for her cell phone. The body is found in the grass off Keystone Road, a half-mile south of La. 1126"

I could only find one listing for a family dollar located in Jennings LA. The address is: 414 W Plaquemine St, Jennings, LA.

A google map of this address shows that it is very close to (looks approximately about a block) Highway 26.

That is the correct Family Dollar Store and it is VERY close to 26. Brittney lived on South Doyle Street. Don't know the address but media coverage stated she walked "a few blocks" from her home to the store.

She left home headed to the store somewhere between 5:00-5:15 according to her mother. She is seen exiting the store (on video surveillance) at 5:30 ............ that may give you a better idea of the distance/amount of time it took to walk there.

Also, to answer your other question........no maps that I know of showing any of the victim residences.

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 12:25 PM
LOL........no problem........it's confusing and I have to keep referring to the maps myself.

Try this map (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=30.143197%7E-92.724953&style=r&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1&cid=60C91F7C872664B2%21165) and see if it helps you figure out travel routes you were asking about. If you put your mouse on the left edge of the map the two arrows will come up and you can pull them to the left past the location descriptions and make the map larger. You can zoom in and out too.

Great map....thanks, mahmoo!!! When I studied it I was wondering if you knew if there are exits from I 10 in Roanoke and Welch? I think they do have exits. Anyway, it appears to me that he may be meeting these young women at the fast food joints off the Jennings exit. Luring them into his car after they feel comfortable...possibly even talking to them on different occasions. Could be why Brittany would easily get into his car as she may have remembered him from another time. He must have that "ease" of operation about him.

I suspect that the girls are murdered in his vehicle as at no time has LE talked about finding a primary crime scene.

When you look at the map the dumping grounds are on main streets that one could exit to I 10 from Jennings,Roanoke and Welch. He doesn't appear to be local as the bodies weren't dumped north of I 10 but rather in some sort of grid/comfort zone. As in you are traveling on I 10 and take the lighted exits vs. the very rural northern route that only locals would be familiar with.

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Anyway, it appears to me that he may be meeting these young women at the fast food joints off the Jennings exit. Luring them into his car after they feel comfortable...possibly even talking to them on different occasions. Could be why Brittany would easily get into his car as she may have remembered him from another time. He must have that "ease" of operation about him.


<respectfully snipped>

I thought this too. They have seen his face, they may not know him, but have seen him before. That would account for them getting in the car with him and no one paying any attention. Just my opinion.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 12:37 PM
I would agree that the suspect is either someone who knows LE really well or has done his homework. I cannot believe they havent caught this guy yet.

I found this story (http://jdpkiller.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesse-ewings-jennings-pd/) interesting. Will just post a portion of it.......
On December 8, 2007 two female inmates requested to speak with officer Ewing specifically. They wanted to give him information about four mysterious female deaths in the area…..it was supposedly information that had not been publicly released. Over a period of two days, Ewing interviewed and recorded both inmates separately.


Alarmed by the consistency in the women's statements, Ewing was hesitant to report the information within his department or to his superior. Both women alleged a cover-up involving a high elected parish official or high ranking law enforcement officer. Instead, he turned the information over to friend, and private investigator, Kirk Menard.


Menard said although some of the information was third hand, the women knew information about the crimes and crime scenes that had not been released to the public. It was information that could have only been obtained by someone at the crime scene.

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:40 PM
OT in fact way OT: But is the "good ol' boy" network alive and well still in the south?

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Exits to and from I-10 in:

Roanoke:

http://louisiana.hometownlocator.com/la/jefferson-davis/roanoke.cfm

Can't find Welch LA

Kat
01-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Welsh LA?

Map shows exits to and from I-10:

http://louisiana.hometownlocator.com/la/jefferson-davis/welsh.cfm

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 01:02 PM
Great map....thanks, mahmoo!!! When I studied it I was wondering if you knew if there are exits from I 10 in Roanoke and Welch? I think they do have exits.

Welsh exit (http://www.southeastroads.com/louisiana001/i-010_eb_exit_054_01.jpg) #54
Roanoke exit (http://www.southeastroads.com/louisiana001/i-010_eb_exit_059_01.jpg) #59
Elton/Jennings (Hwy 26) exit (http://www.southeastroads.com/louisiana001/i-010_eb_exit_064_01.jpg) #64

This website (http://www.southeastroads.com/i-010a_la.html) shows all the I-10 exits in that Lake Charles to Jennings area

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 01:17 PM
I suspect that the girls are murdered in his vehicle as at no time has LE talked about finding a primary crime scene.

That's what is so puzzling, 7 deaths and yet no crimes scenes :confused:. You'd think with two of the victims having their throats cut there would have been a tremendous amount of blood.......somewhere.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 01:19 PM
OT in fact way OT: But is the "good ol' boy" network alive and well still in the south?

Oh yeah.......some things will never change :crazy:

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 01:45 PM
That's what is so puzzling, 7 deaths and yet no crimes scenes :confused:. You'd think with two of the victims having their throats cut there would have been a tremendous amount of blood.......somewhere.

I agree about the blood. Possibly in the bed of a truck where bleach and water could remove it?? The perp has used bleach on one of his victims.

Back to another murder. The victim, Bonnie Ruphard (sp), was found murdered in a park in Lafayette in December 2008. She had a rocky relationship with her husband/bf. I tried the Advertiser to see if an arrest has been made but it kept sending me to pay for sites. Do you know? Some witnesses saw a truck around the time of her disappearance.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 01:52 PM
I agree about the blood. Possibly in the bed of a truck where bleach and water could remove it?? The perp has used bleach on one of his victims.

Back to another murder. The victim, Bonnie Ruphard (sp), was found murdered in a park in Lafayette in December 2008. She had a rocky relationship with her husband/bf. I tried the Advertiser to see if an arrest has been made but it kept sending me to pay for sites. Do you know? Some witnesses saw a truck around the time of her disappearance.

As far as I know no one has been arrested yet.

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 03:35 PM
This case is bugging me today so I am re reading articles etc. This one by David Lohr is interesting and attempts to draw correlation between the Jennings murders and others. I think he may be right and the sheriff isn't sure that there isn't more than one killer which is possible too. It isn't uncommon to have two or more serials operating in Louisiana at the same time.

One thing I found in the Lohr article is that the LE officer found the victim in the middle of the road near the police target practice area. The killer either wanted her found fast or something interrupted him and he had to move fast. Could be he saw the LE patrol car.

Link to article.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/01/another-serial.html

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 03:56 PM
This case is bugging me today. I reread David Lohr's article and I tend to agree with him about other cases being connected. I also think it possible that there is more than one serial killer (sheriff intimated the same thing). Worth the read.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/01/another-serial.html

The LE officer found the victim in the middle of East Racca road so either the perp was in a big hurry (maybe saw the police patrol car) or he was leaving a message.

Kat
01-12-2009, 05:11 PM
I was tinkering around the internet and looked up the young lady, H. Connor, that had been arrested and subsequently released for the murder of K. Lopez. ( I think I read lack of evidence?)

Anyway this is probably neither here nor there, but I found her choice of URL interesting.

Her myspace is private and the display name is something like sex kitten at your service... or somesuch nonsense, but that can be easily changed.

It's her URL (username and that can't be changed) I found interesting....

tied_raped_and_beaten85

Now her myspace is set to private, but when you do a search and find them on the search page it will give the username/URL name.

She has another profile under a different social networking site under this same username nothing on there that I could see though that would be of interest.

Just thought I would throw this out there, might not mean anything in relation to these murders.

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 05:18 PM
Kat, maybe she is a victim of abuse. Wasn't her uncle arrested along with her but both released for lack of evidence? I agree something is very odd there but I am not sure exactly how it is tied to the other crimes if it even is.

It seem poi's were the two mentioned above and the officer Ewing who really sounds like he was set up by the inmates.

Kat
01-12-2009, 05:27 PM
I didn't' think it was tied to the crime either but it was unusual enough for me to look into it, as for her being a rape victim and choosing that username....I'm not so sure about that this other social networking site is called fubar and it's for flirting and other stuff. It's called an online bar. In order to explore it further I would have to sign up for an account and well to be honest, I don't want to haha :D

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 05:40 PM
I didn't' think it was tied to the crime either but it was unusual enough for me to look into it, as for her being a rape victim and choosing that username....I'm not so sure about that this other social networking site is called fubar and it's for flirting and other stuff. It's called an online bar. In order to explore it further I would have to sign up for an account and well to be honest, I don't want to haha :D

LOL! Please don't sign up or those bugs will follow you forever. It sounds pretty racy maybe that is why LE was looking at the two of them...but nothing came out of it.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 06:15 PM
One thing I found in the Lohr article is that the LE officer found the victim in the middle of the road near the police target practice area. The killer either wanted her found fast or something interrupted him and he had to move fast. Could be he saw the LE patrol car.

I agree it seems like whoever killed her wanted her found quickly. I don't think they saw the LE car though because according to this article (http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/19813599.html?showAll=y&c=y)
Brown’s body was discovered about six hours after it was dumped

I read Lohr's article and was glad to see he covered the cases since he has such a large following.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 06:25 PM
For your reading pleasure :crazy: here (http://jdpkiller.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/arrests/) are all the details I could pull together regarding the people arrested so far in connection with these cases.

Kat, I ran across Hannah's Myspace a few weeks ago and like you noticed her display name and url address.........all I could do was shake my head and roll my eyes :confused:

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 07:19 PM
After reading all the articles I am beginning to think that some of these crimes were some sort of retaliation. Especially Brown who was tied to Richard and Connor in a rape case that was dropped and the fact that the body was left in the open to be found quickly.

22 women along the I 10 corridor found murdered is incredible. Mahmoo, it looks like a couple of serials and some weirdos doing the work. LE has a tough job trying to figure this one out. Glad the FBI is involved and I hope local LE heeds the advice. It took media attention to get the public's attention AGAIN. A little more openess by La. LE is sorely needed as the citizens are being killed and until recently, not notifying the public of the sheer numbers. Shameful!

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 07:54 PM
I agree with your post concerned.

There was hardly any media coverage about these cases prior to Brittney Gary going missing. I keep up with the news around this area and November was the first I'd heard of the situation.

I'm assuming the "locals" were aware of what was going on but I think it's crazy that there was not more media coverage and continued follow-up. I hope from here on out they will periodically do updates. It would be nice if the Task Force would release more info surrounding the cases.

I'm hoping the FBI was involved from the get go with Brittney's investigation. I don't want to put down local law enforcement's investigative abilities with these types of crimes (not yet anyway....lol) but, I'm sure the FBI is much better equipped to deal with it plus they have the experience.

I feel almost certain the Jennings area has a serial killer. What's creepy about this one though is that it seems, to me anyway, he knows his victims......not someone he just met or randomly picks out. It appears to be more than just a casual acquaintance. I think it's someone they've known for quite awhile.

I'll throw this out there too, it's strictly hearsay mind you but, someone had made a post somewhere on the internet (I'll find it if ya'll make me....lol) that it was a pastor that was doing the killing http://bestsmileys.com/eek/3.gif. Seems a little far-fetched but guess you never know these days......nothing surprises me anymore.

I'm wondering.....isn't it unusual for serial killers to kill people they know? Don't they usually target strangers? Anybody know the stats on that right off hand?

concerned, is there a central location where I can read about the cases of the other women along I-10? I'm not familiar with them and am certainly curious about the details.

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 08:12 PM
I agree with your post concerned.

There was hardly any media coverage about these cases prior to Brittney Gary going missing. I keep up with the news around this area and November was the first I'd heard of the situation.

I'm assuming the "locals" were aware of what was going on but I think it's crazy that there was not more media coverage and continued follow-up. I hope from here on out they will periodically do updates. It would be nice if the Task Force would release more info surrounding the cases.

I'm hoping the FBI was involved from the get go with Brittney's investigation. I don't want to put down local law enforcement's investigative abilities with these types of crimes (not yet anyway....lol) but, I'm sure the FBI is much better equipped to deal with it plus they have the experience.

I feel almost certain the Jennings area has a serial killer. What's creepy about this one though is that it seems, to me anyway, he knows his victims......not someone he just met or randomly picks out. It appears to be more than just a casual acquaintance. I think it's someone they've known for quite awhile.

I'm wondering.....isn't it unusual for serial killers to kill people they know? Don't they usually target strangers? Anybody know the stats on that right off hand?

concerned, is there a central location where I can read about the cases with the other women along I-10? I'm not familiar with them and am certainly curious about the details.

It seems from the Advocate article that the FBI compiled this report. I doubt it is public information. It is from 1979 to 2005 that the report was compiled from murders during that time frame. I never knew about it either.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/19813599.html?showAll=y&c=y


I am going to check more into the serial killer aspect of knowing the victim.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 08:24 PM
It seems from the Advocate article that the FBI compiled this report. I doubt it is public information. It is from 1979 to 2005 that the report was compiled from murders during that time frame. I never knew about it either.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/19813599.html?showAll=y&c=y


I am going to check more into the serial killer aspect of knowing the victim.

Good find....thanks!!!! Hope you don't mind, I'm going to post a couple of paragraphs here. From concerned's link:

Early on, the FBI provided Edwards with information from other similar but unsolved homicides. That information included a report about the bodies of at least 22 other women who had been found along the Interstate 10 corridor from Lake Charles to Slidell between 1979 and 2005.

Each of those women also lived high-risk lifestyles and their deaths remained unsolved. Edwards was never able to link any of the cases to those in Jeff Davis.

Wonder how much info is available about the other women. Very interesting :waitasec:.

MeoW333
01-12-2009, 08:47 PM
I agree with your post concerned.

There was hardly any media coverage about these cases prior to Brittney Gary going missing. I keep up with the news around this area and November was the first I'd heard of the situation.

I'm assuming the "locals" were aware of what was going on but I think it's crazy that there was not more media coverage and continued follow-up. I hope from here on out they will periodically do updates. It would be nice if the Task Force would release more info surrounding the cases.

I'm hoping the FBI was involved from the get go with Brittney's investigation. I don't want to put down local law enforcement's investigative abilities with these types of crimes (not yet anyway....lol) but, I'm sure the FBI is much better equipped to deal with it plus they have the experience.

I feel almost certain the Jennings area has a serial killer. What's creepy about this one though is that it seems, to me anyway, he knows his victims......not someone he just met or randomly picks out. It appears to be more than just a casual acquaintance. I think it's someone they've known for quite awhile.

I'll throw this out there too, it's strictly hearsay mind you but, someone had made a post somewhere on the internet (I'll find it if ya'll make me....lol) that it was a pastor that was doing the killing http://bestsmileys.com/eek/3.gif. Seems a little far-fetched but guess you never know these days......nothing surprises me anymore.

I'm wondering.....isn't it unusual for serial killers to kill people they know? Don't they usually target strangers? Anybody know the stats on that right off hand?

concerned, is there a central location where I can read about the cases of the other women along I-10? I'm not familiar with them and am certainly curious about the details.

If it was a pastor doing the killings, he'd be in the "mission oriented" category of serial killers, thinking he's doing society a favor of ridding them of prostitutes drug users, and other victims that may fall into such categories of society.

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 08:49 PM
Serial killer profiling is quite varied and it seems that some of these cretins are breaking the molds into this decade. For the most part, a serial killer doesn't know their victims but spot/stalk/watch them before the kill. Almost all of the victims seem powerless to the serial killer and that is part of the killing fantasy. To classify these crimes we would have to know more about the crime which LE isn't releasing..sadistic, soft kill, mutilation etc. But even then that wouldn't nail the serial killer. Some of the killers function well in society and some are introverted loners.

It goes on and on and there wasn't a really good synopsis available. I would go with what we do know that there are murders along the I 10 corridor that are under reported. Throw in I 49 for the Alexandria murders...I think we are up to 35 now including the Jennings murders. We both know that attempting to link them all won't work as there is more than one killer and probably more than one serial killer vs. a domestic murderer or other type.

The fact that this type of crime is so difficult to solve allows the serial killer to remain free for a long time. Throw in possible other connections to the victims and this gets really muddy.

MeoW333
01-12-2009, 08:54 PM
There's snippets of articles here and there on the I-10 murders:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-96249704.html

"
White pickup trucks are replacing West Nile-carrying mosquitoes as the Grim Reaper along southern Louisiana's I-10 corridor. Authorities connected a white pickup to the serial-killer murders of four women in 15 months. Another recent murder and two abductions (one on Christmas Eve) also fit a pattern. Ambitious, athletic women with dark complexions, high cheekbones and exotic eyes are snatched from their cars or surprised in their homes. Preying on the outskirts of campuses, the killer is believed to be a charming, Ted Bundy-like confidence man.
The latest victim: school-teacher Jo Ann Zachary, whose abandoned car, containing her keys and purse, ..."




I can't find anything about the I-10 killer being caught, here is another article i did fine:


http://www.corpus-delicti.com/advertiser_122402.html

"Based on what he knows about the case, Turvey said these crimes are probably not the first for the serial killer. He said authorities are surely checking all unsolved and solved burglaries and sexual assaults along I-10.

"This guy is now a veteran serial killer," Turvey said. "He knows what he's doing and he's only going to get better."

Turvey, based in Sitka, Alaska, is a forensic scientist and criminal profiler who wrote a book called "Criminal Profiling."

The FBI released a partial psychological profile of the serial killer in September.

The serial killer is estimated to be between 25 and 35 years old. His shoe size is approximately 10 to 11. And he is physically strong, being capable of lifting 155 pounds to 175 pounds."

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 09:13 PM
Serial killer profiling is quite varied and it seems that some of these cretins are breaking the molds into this decade. For the most part, a serial killer doesn't know their victims but spot/stalk/watch them before the kill. Almost all of the victims seem powerless to the serial killer and that is part of the killing fantasy. To classify these crimes we would have to know more about the crime which LE isn't releasing..sadistic, soft kill, mutilation etc. But even then that wouldn't nail the serial killer. Some of the killers function well in society and some are introverted loners.

It goes on and on and there wasn't a really good synopsis available. I would go with what we do know that there are murders along the I 10 corridor that are under reported. Throw in I 49 for the Alexandria murders...I think we are up to 35 now including the Jennings murders. We both know that attempting to link them all won't work as there is more than one killer and probably more than one serial killer vs. a domestic murderer or other type.

The fact that this type of crime is so difficult to solve allows the serial killer to remain free for a long time. Throw in possible other connections to the victims and this gets really muddy.

Good information concerned...........I agree it about it being muddy and complicated. All we can do is hope the Task Force gets a good break in one of the cases before another victim comes into the mix.

And you're right, there's more than likely 2-3 serial killers at work along that I-10 corridor. I learned that lesson well about not being able to link several murders to 1 killer thanks to following what I thought at the time was only one person involved in the Baton Rouge serial killings.......I was really surprised how that turned out. (i know that sentence was way too long :crazy:)

AmandaBrown23
01-12-2009, 09:21 PM
I dont know if this was mentioned but this guy or whoever it is could have moved from another area where the same crimes were being committed. I hope to god they catch this evil individual.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 10:14 PM
If it was a pastor doing the killings, he'd be in the "mission oriented" category of serial killers, thinking he's doing society a favor of ridding them of prostitutes drug users, and other victims that may fall into such categories of society.

Hmmmm.....that's interesting. I would say it's not out of the realm of possibility with these cases. I keep leaning towards LE or someone in a position of authority in that area. Like others have said....someone the victims trusted.

concernedperson
01-12-2009, 10:55 PM
There's snippets of articles here and there on the I-10 murders:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-96249704.html

"
White pickup trucks are replacing West Nile-carrying mosquitoes as the Grim Reaper along southern Louisiana's I-10 corridor. Authorities connected a white pickup to the serial-killer murders of four women in 15 months. Another recent murder and two abductions (one on Christmas Eve) also fit a pattern. Ambitious, athletic women with dark complexions, high cheekbones and exotic eyes are snatched from their cars or surprised in their homes. Preying on the outskirts of campuses, the killer is believed to be a charming, Ted Bundy-like confidence man.
The latest victim: school-teacher Jo Ann Zachary, whose abandoned car, containing her keys and purse, ..."




I can't find anything about the I-10 killer being caught, here is another article i did fine:


http://www.corpus-delicti.com/advertiser_122402.html

"Based on what he knows about the case, Turvey said these crimes are probably not the first for the serial killer. He said authorities are surely checking all unsolved and solved burglaries and sexual assaults along I-10.

"This guy is now a veteran serial killer," Turvey said. "He knows what he's doing and he's only going to get better."

Turvey, based in Sitka, Alaska, is a forensic scientist and criminal profiler who wrote a book called "Criminal Profiling."

The FBI released a partial psychological profile of the serial killer in September.

The serial killer is estimated to be between 25 and 35 years old. His shoe size is approximately 10 to 11. And he is physically strong, being capable of lifting 155 pounds to 175 pounds."

The second article relates to the Baton Rouge Serial Killer...Derrick Todd Lee. He was captured in Atlanta in 2003 and tried in August of 2004. He is currently incarcerated.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 11:12 PM
The second article relates to the Baton Rouge Serial Killer...Derrick Todd Lee. He was captured in Atlanta in 2003 and tried in August of 2004. He is currently incarcerated.

For the rest of his life.........that guy was beyond brutal.....makes me shiver thinking about him :eek:

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 11:16 PM
The second article relates to the Baton Rouge Serial Killer...Derrick Todd Lee. He was captured in Atlanta in 2003 and tried in August of 2004. He is currently incarcerated.

For the rest of his life.........that guy was beyond brutal.....makes me shiver thinking about him :eek:. Every time I go over the basin bridge between Lafayette and Baton Rouge I think about those two ladies he left there......I'm still amazed they were found as quick as they were. Although that area has tons of hunters and fishermen......it still encompasses a lot of area.

mahmoo
01-12-2009, 11:35 PM
Hope I'm not boring ya'll :blowkiss:
I've been staring at the maps since we discussed locations quite a bit today. I'm getting the impression whoever did this was under some kind of time constraint.....as far as disposing of the bodies. That's why they're within a ten-mile radius of each other.....most of them less than that. It may have been someone that couldn't risk being gone for long or very far away.

Also, look up close at the proximity of victims 2, 4 & 6 :eek:.

Those tags are not the EXACT spot the bodies were found....they're as close as I can get them with what info is available. I think they're close though. You can also see the "lay-of-the-land".

http://i41.tinypic.com/3536rdz.jpg

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 09:12 AM
Another great map, thanks. The element of time is why I was asking about exits off I 10 at Roanoke and Welsh ( I misspelled it earlier as Welch). It seems he may enter at the Jennings exit and leave at the other two as they would be virtually empty later in the evenings (no fast food restaurants etc) after dumping the bodies. It appears he has this known grid pattern that he continues to follow. I think his haste is not wanting to get caught...ingress and egress is important in that aspect.

Kat
01-13-2009, 09:25 AM
Hello and good morning. I was looking at the maps this morning while my kids got ready for school:)

What do you all think about this route? Is it possible?

He enters the Jennings exit, finds the victims on or off HWY 26 (Elton Rd) then takes them out into the rural area.

One of the victims was found on E. Racca Road with a few others clustered in and around that area.

The quickest way out of that area would be to follow E. Racca Road to S. Railroad Ave ( HWY 90). Which runs back up into Jennings to Main Street.

Or is that road to rural and would draw attention to himself?
What do you think?

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 08:33 PM
Hi ya'll :seeya:

I've been staring at the maps again too........lol. I'm still convinced the killer is someone local........they know that area well. Looks to me like they're using SR1126 as their primary route of choice. More than likely they're using Hwy 26 to get to 1126. If you look at the map.....all of the locations (except 3) are easily accessible from 1126.

I'll post this map for you to look at.........look along 1126.....victims 1, 2, 6 and 7 form almost a straight line across......all just south of 1126.
http://i39.tinypic.com/25gxcev.jpg

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 08:47 PM
What's interesting is how far out victim 3's body was taken in relation to the others :confused:.

http://i44.tinypic.com/sgtmz9.jpg

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 09:20 PM
Maybe Kristen Lopez's murder was different from the rest? She was killed in 2007. What do we know about her? Was she a target of the inmate info that was given to Ewing? Possibly not related to the other murders at all. Much head scratching on this case. She definitely wasn't dumped where the rest were dumped.

I still believe we have two killers for Jennings...one local and one serial. They are stepping on each other's turf for attention.

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 09:30 PM
Maybe Kristen Lopez's murder was different from the rest? She was killed in 2007. What do we know about her? Was she a target of the inmate info that was given to Ewing? Possibly not related to the other murders at all. Much head scratching on this case. She definitely wasn't dumped where the rest were dumped.

I still believe we have two killers for Jennings...one local and one serial. They are stepping on each other's turf for attention.

Kristen "Gary" Lopez.........cousin to 7th victim Brittney Gary :eek:.

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 09:45 PM
Kristen "Gary" Lopez.........cousin to 7th victim Brittney Gary :eek:.

If I were LE I would put the deep sweat on Richard and Connor for info. Tell them like it is....you could get the DP if you don't talk about the interconnections and all the crap. The he said she said and all the caca going along with this puts others at risk. I believe they know something but probably aren't involved with all of it...yet they could be charged if they don't come clean.

Of course we are going to dig deeper and since their names are public knowledge we may just discover something. Once your name gets in the public venue you are hard pressed to get it out of there.

Games aren't fun when lives are at stake. Much better to be upfront and get the best deal possible or fry.....zzzzzzz!!!

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 09:45 PM
Something else I failed to notice until I was reading back through everything. #4 (Whitnei Dubois) was found by a couple, around 7:30 am, lying in the road.....she was nude. Although it was a rural area....it was a road that was regularly traveled by the farmers and a few residents.

What I missed originally was that LE speculated she had been dead for several days before she was dumped.

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 09:50 PM
Something else I failed to notice until I was reading back through everything. #4 (Whitnei Dubois) was found by a couple, around 7:30 am, lying in the road.....she was nude. Although it was a rural area....it was a road that was regularly traveled by the farmers and a few residents.

What I missed originally was that LE speculated she had been dead for several days before she was dumped.


That could be a pattern of a serial. Had their time with the body and then dumped. But, we just don't know at this point as not much is being released. Heck, we didn't even realize how many were dead in La. until yesterday. This is a bigger problem than any of us thought at first.

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 09:51 PM
If I were LE I would put the deep sweat on Richard and Connor for info. Tell them like it is....you could get the DP if you don't talk about the interconnections and all the crap. The he said she said and all the caca going along with this puts others at risk. I believe they know something but probably aren't involved with all of it...yet they could be charged if they don't come clean.

Of course we are going to dig deeper and since their names are public knowledge we may just discover something. Once your name gets in the public venue you are hard pressed to get it out of there.

Games aren't fun when lives are at stake. Much better to be upfront and get the best deal possible or fry.....zzzzzzz!!!

From the looks of Richard, at least in his arrest picture, I don't know how he could pull something this complicated off :confused:. I know I shouldn't judge him just by looking at a picture of him..........I'll keep the rest to myself :). Conner......hmmm...........don't think so either.

Although, I'm not ruling out the possiblity these two people definitely know something, or someone, involved in this.

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 10:00 PM
From the looks of Richard, at least in his arrest picture, I don't know how he could pull something this complicated off :confused:. I know I shouldn't judge him just by looking at a picture of him..........I'll keep the rest to myself :). Conner......hmmm...........don't think so either.

Although, I'm not ruling out the possiblity these two people definitely know something, or someone, involved in this.

There is the 2005 rape issue that involved one of the victims and them. That is what needs to be investigated as something could have happened to cause them to react badly. But, in general i don't believe that crew is capable of the crimes that we are looking at but ya never know.

The other thing I have thought about today is how word travels. Whether it is accurate or not there is going to be some truth in rumor. LE needs to talk to Fast Food patrons to see if they have a regular opinion on someone who has been seen there over the years. Even if it is more of a grandfather type and transient but semi regular. Someone who seems kind and is willing to buy a burger for anyone.

Kat
01-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Didn't I read that Richard and Connor had been seen with Dubois a few hours before she went missing?

Now see, you two are thinking like I was thinking. Those two need some very close looking into. Look into the dynamics of that relationship. If we assume for one moment...not saying this is what is going on...just saying....let's pretend :D Then I would say of the two Connor is the brains. She's the one that would call the shots. I don't like her URL name, LOL...okay that's not a good reason...but it seems to me to be an announcement of some sort. I dunno.

About RT 1126 that's the one I was looking at as well. :)

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 10:21 PM
Didn't I read that Richard and Connor had been seen with Dubois a few hours before she went missing?

Now see, you two are thinking like I was thinking. Those two need some very close looking into. Look into the dynamics of that relationship. If we assume for one moment...not saying this is what is going on...just saying....let's pretend :D Then I would say of the two Connor is the brains. She's the one that would call the shots. I don't like her URL name, LOL...okay that's not a good reason...but it seems to me to be an announcement of some sort. I dunno.

About RT 1126 that's the one I was looking at as well. :)

Their relationship seems unhealthy. The factors need to be uncovered and to how it could relate to the murdered women. Could be something or nothing at all. But, the nothing at all seems improbable but does it relate to the murders?.

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 10:29 PM
Didn't I read that Richard and Connor had been seen with Dubois a few hours before she went missing?

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She was seen with Lopez "in her last days". It's confusing....I know....that's why I tried to organize it as much as possible :crazy:.

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 10:32 PM
She was seen with Lopez "in her last days". It's confusing....I know....that's why I tried to organize it as much as possible :crazy:.

Bingo! The third victim not placed in proximity to the other victims.

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 10:37 PM
There is the 2005 rape issue that involved one of the victims and them. That is what needs to be investigated as something could have happened to cause them to react badly. But, in general i don't believe that crew is capable of the crimes that we are looking at but ya never know.

The other thing I have thought about today is how word travels. Whether it is accurate or not there is going to be some truth in rumor. LE needs to talk to Fast Food patrons to see if they have a regular opinion on someone who has been seen there over the years. Even if it is more of a grandfather type and transient but semi regular. Someone who seems kind and is willing to buy a burger for anyone.

I'm thinking the fast food joints my be another common denominator here as well. Patterson (2nd victim) had been an employee at Wendy's (Brittney Gary's mother was the manager) and Sonic has been mentioned a couple of times.

Loretta (1st victim) "was known" to hang out at the local Sonic (assume it's the one in Jennings) and Crystal (6th victim) was an employee of the Sonic in Lake Arthur.

Kat
01-13-2009, 10:55 PM
Here's the one site I saw her profile, it may or may not be of any interest at all. Just going to throw it out there.

http://www.facebook.com,www.fubar.com/user/2054043

ETA: She lives in LaFayette LA now.

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 11:14 PM
I'm thinking the fast food joints my be another common denominator here as well. Patterson (2nd victim) had been an employee at Wendy's (Brittney Gary's mother was the manager) and Sonic has been mentioned a couple of times.

Loretta (1st victim) "was known" to hang out at the local Sonic (assume it's the one in Jennings) and Crystal (6th victim) was an employee of the Sonic in Lake Arthur.

In my meager mind this tells me that someone is apt to pull off to a fast food place and interact with patrons and employees. It is a benign environment at first thought. But, could be a fertile ground for spotting vulnerable people. Especially if that is your mission. This is the serial aspect along with bars that front or are frontage roads to major interstates. It is easy to figure out ingress and egress if you are used to traveling.

Lopez is different.

The connection most are looking at isn't high risk lifestyle so much as low income opportunities. These opportunities are the only available jobs with possible secondary opportunities. In other words, these people weren't hooking at street corners as much as hoping for a break, either by better jobs, or a prince charming or a quick sniff. Young and without much hope for progression leads to a lot of mistakes....some of them fatal.

These young ladies should have never been in that position. Not in a very small town where the village is supposed to care for its children. I remember hanging out at Duck's Drive Inn in New Iberia. We were always watching out for each other. Never in a million years would a stranger have interloped without one of us knowing or acting.

Someone knows something even if it is fleeting. Being afraid of some local position is not the same thing as dealing with a serial killer. He may not be back for a year or two as they are known for cooling off but bet your booties he has the grid memorized.

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 11:32 PM
Wow concerned..........very interesting perspective!!! I hadn't considered that angle:

The connection most are looking at isn't high risk lifestyle so much as low income opportunities.

mahmoo
01-13-2009, 11:39 PM
He may not be back for a year or two as they are known for cooling off but bet your booties he has the grid memorized

post snipped.....bolding mine

Holy bejeezus..........that gave me serious chills and the major creeps.

concernedperson
01-13-2009, 11:50 PM
post snipped.....bolding mine

Holy bejeezus..........that gave me serious chills and the major creeps.

You aren't a stranger to this behavior as you have witnessed this with me before. We spent a few years analyzing this in Baton Rouge. This is no different but we don't have people selling memorabilia and capitalizing on crimes, we just have you and me and kat and meo and Amanda who drop in regularly. We may get some others or at least I hope so. LaLAW always has a good perspective. This is going to be a tough one....no question. I'll hang if you will.

mahmoo
01-14-2009, 12:17 AM
You aren't a stranger to this behavior as you have witnessed this with me before. We spent a few years analyzing this in Baton Rouge. This is no different but we don't have people selling memorabilia and capitalizing on crimes, we just have you and me and kat and meo and Amanda who drop in regularly. We may get some others or at least I hope so. LaLAW always has a good perspective. This is going to be a tough one....no question. I'll hang if you will.

I'm hanging......something about these girls have gotten to a part of me. It would a dream come true if we could get some of the "big boys" to post......some awesome, awesome sleuthers here.....that's why I love it. I've read many, many of LaLAW's posts.....very prolific poster.

Kat
01-14-2009, 08:32 AM
I would like to have a gander at Richard's arrest record. I can't find any LA websites that let me access that, LA seems stingy with all details or I'm just being slow.

I looked up Richard last night on a people find kind of search engine and saw that he has connections to LaFayette LA also (has had an address there). There is also a female with the same surname that is associated with him but that means nothing at this point, I assumed it was a spouse or ex-spouse.

I was thinking about the fast food connections and the insight that concernedperson gave us. I wonder if, hanging out at a fast food joint in a small town is still today what it was for my generation 30 years ago? You go hang out and socialize.

I agree we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover but I would like to know what Richard does for a living. I would like to know where he resides in Jennings. I'm not sure how to find this information out because I cannot find a lot of public records for LA...please let me know where to go and dig if you know.

concernedperson
01-14-2009, 10:26 AM
I would like to have a gander at Richard's arrest record. I can't find any LA websites that let me access that, LA seems stingy with all details or I'm just being slow.

I looked up Richard last night on a people find kind of search engine and saw that he has connections to LaFayette LA also (has had an address there). There is also a female with the same surname that is associated with him but that means nothing at this point, I assumed it was a spouse or ex-spouse.

I was thinking about the fast food connections and the insight that concernedperson gave us. I wonder if, hanging out at a fast food joint in a small town is still today what it was for my generation 30 years ago? You go hang out and socialize.

I agree we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover but I would like to know what Richard does for a living. I would like to know where he resides in Jennings. I'm not sure how to find this information out because I cannot find a lot of public records for LA...please let me know where to go and dig if you know.
I betcha LALaw could help us access some of this info. I have to be out most of the day today so if you see her around please ask!!

mahmoo
01-14-2009, 11:33 AM
Kat.....it's not just you.....I haven't been able to locate much information on anyone involved in this case....seems to be very little available. Wish some of the super sleuthers here would join in....I'm amazed at what some of them are able to uncover.

This is all I've been able to come up with from reading through news articles:
Neither Richard, or his niece, are strangers to police. Richard has been convicted of DWI’s and charged with assault & battery. Conner has been charged with burglary, theft and trespassing.This is regarding Lawrence Nixon, who at one time was arrested in connection with Patterson's death. Nixon may not be a murderer but apparently he is a career criminal……arrested six times in sixes years. According to this article (http://www.jenningsdailynews.net/arch_news.php?id=1857):
A man who’s made a career out of stealing other people’s property is back behind bars for possession of stolen lawnmowers, weed eaters, leaf blowers, edgers, hand tools, power tools, a shop vacuum and some fine china.

Jennings police arrested Lawrence Nixon, 33, of South Main Street in Jennings on Thursday, Aug 14 after investigators followed a trail of stolen property to a local antique store. The trail led back to Nixon’s residence where police found the house cluttered with stolen items yet to be pawned.

Kat
01-14-2009, 11:53 AM
Mahmoo, I think it was in one of your links that I was able to read where these victims worked and which restaurants they were associated with...do you happen to have that link again? I know:) probably nothing to do with these crimes but I want to go have a looksee again.

Kat
01-14-2009, 12:08 PM
I am rereading all the articles (yes, again) and this caught my eye:

From this article:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/01/another-serial.html

"An eighth murder victim, recently found in Lafayette, may also be connected to the case. At this point the connection remains unclear and no further details are available at this time."

Any more reports on this murder victim?

MeoW333
01-14-2009, 12:36 PM
Thanks for the articles as it helps a lot. It seems that LE is focusing on this truck for some reason. Could be someone saw her get into this vehicle or saw the vehicle slow down around her. Of course, the boyfriend with domestic abuse background is worrisome too.

A pickup truck from what i recall, right? We also know that Ewing? was his name? was involved with some shady dealings with a former prisoner (a woman) for a $9,000.00 pick up truck. Please correct me if i am inaccurate with the information.
A pickup truck would be a good vehicle for the killer to use. The bed of it could be easily washed down, a cap could be added to the back to diguise it's physical appearance. I also am wondering if pickup truck bed liners could be purchased so that there are 2 layers of them, the first one obvious, the underlying layer not noticeable..

MeoW333
01-14-2009, 12:38 PM
Good information concerned...........I agree it about it being muddy and complicated. All we can do is hope the Task Force gets a good break in one of the cases before another victim comes into the mix.

And you're right, there's more than likely 2-3 serial killers at work along that I-10 corridor. I learned that lesson well about not being able to link several murders to 1 killer thanks to following what I thought at the time was only one person involved in the Baton Rouge serial killings.......I was really surprised how that turned out. (i know that sentence was way too long :crazy:)

The I-10 serial killer(s) was never caught. Maybe it's possible some of these serial killers are actually working together, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened, such as the Hillside Stranglers. It's a stretch, yet you never know.