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CW
11-23-2008, 11:58 AM
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Salem
11-23-2008, 12:18 PM
The links worked for me. Maybe Windchime fixed them already?

Salem

FifthEssence
11-23-2008, 12:19 PM
Thanks again WindChime for your prompt response. You're too good!

FifthEssence
11-23-2008, 12:20 PM
The links worked for me. Maybe Windchime fixed them already?

Salem

she did just now and she also included not only the last link#3 but also link#2 which will make it a lot easier to go back and search previous charts and analysis. :)

beckaroozie
11-23-2008, 12:25 PM
should we move the last 5 posts in here so we can keep them going maybe?

Tuba
11-23-2008, 12:33 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Homicide016.jpg

FifthEssence
11-23-2008, 12:49 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Homicide016.jpg


Tuba, would you expand upon this chart? Is this to say it is possible she passed on the 17th or are you indicating this was the day/night she was hidden/buried?

Tuba
11-23-2008, 01:30 PM
Actually, I already cast a chart & analysis, Deliberation and Decision June 18, for the moves made to conceal the homicide. That would have been in Thread #3.

As a web sleuth, I and others have tried to work from known facts and timed activity, allowing reality knowledge to dictate to astrology. There is another approach open to astrologers. That is to show when the happenings on earth would have coincided with celestial movement that created a very dark picture, one where an acting party commits crime.

In the present chart, the natal ASC of the child Caylee is under attack, not oblique but direct, from Mars, the south node of the Moon, Neptune. The quincunx, 150°, is also known as a death aspect among other meanings, and is active here in the position of Jupiter and of Uranus. The Ruler of the H. of the child is conjunct the Part of Fatality. The acting party is Mars, significator of the First House. Mars co-rules the H. of death. Pluto also rules the H. of death and directly afflicts the Sun, ruler of H. 5. and Venus and (F).

Further, Casey had a progressed New Moon at the degree of the ASC of this horoscope. As is well known, Uranus at this time sat on her Mercury. This 22° of Pisces is the only degree equated to deception in the Samuel Weymss scroll of degree meanings. The Moon here has just visited Casey's Saturn and now opposes Mercury stationing to turn direct in two days. This represents decisions like blowing your hair dry in the bath; shall we say "poor".

I've no idea whether there were significant pings or strange silences from the cell phone at this time. This is not an election chart for murder. It is a deselection chart for doing anything but sleeping the sleep of the just..

beckaroozie
11-23-2008, 01:43 PM
Tuba I checked the pings -- your chart says the homicide likely occurred on the 17th at 2:36am?? Is that correct? Her phone was 'dead' from 11:16pm the prior evening of the 16th until 10:52am on the 17th. That's ALOT of downtime for chatty cathy. The unusual part is that the last ping on 16th and first ping on 17th are on E. Colonial? Not usual ping spot for AL house? Didn't connect it to any of the other players either -- I could be missing something though. I didn't see any hotels around there....thought maybe she had stayed in a hotel that night. Thanks

Tuba
11-23-2008, 01:49 PM
The chart for this crime is set for 2:34 a.m., see upper left hand corner of the chart. If the crime had occurred on June 16, 2:36 a.m.

beckaroozie
11-23-2008, 02:13 PM
Do the pings for ALs house hit 3 towers?? One on E Colonial and two near his house?

Or is she with someone else (unknown) on E Colonial for the last ping on 6/16 (11:16pm) and the first ping on 6/17(10:42am). I'm confused. Seems a bit far for pinging there from AL house. I could be wrong -- I'm not a ping expert by any stretch. LOL

Tuba
11-23-2008, 02:43 PM
I remember East Colonial well but not Sutton. I will have to resort to the maps again.

Tuba
11-23-2008, 03:38 PM
A couple of remarks about the crime chart, in addition to what is beneath the chart and posted as text in #8 above: the conventional part of death is for this horoscope 0:14 Aries, square Pluto within 19'. The part of danger & violence is 28:13 Capricorn, quincunx or inconjunct Venus. The part of police is 0:11 Taurus in H. 1 and conjunct Casey's lunar node, natal and progressed.

On the H. 12 Cusp is Caylee's natal Uranus, square Casey's Saturn in H. 8 conjunct the Moon of this horoscope. H. 12 reveals personal 8th H. matters for a child as it is eight Houses away from theirs, the 5th.

The Moon of this horoscope is at the solstice point of Jupiter here. The day after Thanksgiving, which I have already marked on Casey's calendar, Mars will transit her Saturn (same degree) for two days and stamp the Moon of this chart as a turning point, a change, a reshuffle in matters judicial (Jupiter in H. 10) and homicidal. Theft & fraud, being H. 8 crimes, are also affected. Nor can we forget that Mars had transited Caylee's Sun opposite Neptune from the day the drugging began, I allege.
That is indicated by the number of days since Mars was on her Sun until this event but also by the routine of administering chloroform denoted by Uranus controlling the H. of habits, treatments, routines in the Deliberation & Decision Chart and the day the Sun began its square to Uranus, Friday the 13th.

Soulscape
11-23-2008, 05:56 PM
This is for Beckaroozie and others interested in the Black Moon Lilith (BML).

I have found BML to be prominent by house and aspect in many forensic charts. However, as I will point out further below, BML is a secondary indicator of death, not a primary one.

In forensic horary astrology the way I practice it, key charts include the "Last Seen," (the last time a missing person was seen alive), the "Last Heard," (the last time a missing person was heard from, including texting or making a voice call from cell phone), and the "Police Report," (the time the missing person was reported missing to the police.

Not all charts are available in all cases.

In Caylee's case, we have two "Last Seen" charts, depending on whether you believe George A. really saw his granddaughter on June 16th at 12:50 pm. The other "Last Seen," of course, is the videotape from the Nursing Home on June 15th at 12:03 pm (verified by police computer forensics).

In addition, we have the three telephone calls Cindy A. made to police, the most important of which is the #3 Phone Call to LE, made on 7/15/08 at 9:41pm.

(There is also a possible "Last Heard" chart calculated for the date and time Jesse G. stated he heard Caylee in the background during a phone conversation with Casey, but he later retracted that assertation, stating he couldn't be sure he really heard the child during that specific call.)

The most critical chart in this case, IMO, is Cindy's #3 Phone Call to LE which I have discussed in various posts throughout the Astrology threads.

Here is the biwheel showing Caylee's natal as inner and #3 Phone Call to LE as outer:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Cayleenatal3PhoneCalltoLEBiwheel.gif


In that chart, I ascertained Caylee was dead, through the actions and/or non-actions of her mother. BML sits in prominent position conjunct the Midheaven in the 10th House of what is before the public eye at 7 Sagittarius, squaring Mars the agent of death. If you cast a biwheel with Caylee's natal as inner and #3 Phone Call to LE as outer, you will see event chart BML located in Caylee's natal 4th House -- the grave. There are a few interaspects here, but three are most chilling:

1) Event chart BML squares Caylee's natal Uranus
2) Event chart BML trines Caylee's natal Saturn
3) Event chart BML inconjuncts Caylee's natal Mars

This gives a sense of sudden (Uranus) death (Saturn) and lends credence to the theory of accident. However, the closest interaspect BML makes is the inconjunct (150 degrees) --- a strong death aspect in forensic astrology --- to Caylee's natal Mars, which rules Caylee's 4th House of the Mother (as well as the grave), giving more testimony to violent death/ murder (Mars) caused by the mother (Mars rules Caylee's natal 4th House of the Mother).

In Tuba's possible Homicide of the Child chart posted above, BML sits at 5:18 Sagittarius, conjunct the Moon, in the 8th House of Death. Just those facts alone makes BML prominent and deadly.

BML has been prominent in several charts we have examined regarding this case, but here is what I would like to make clear:

While BML is often prominent in crime charts (Last Seen, Last Heard, Police Report), she can only be considered to be SUPPLEMENTARY TESTIMONY OF DEATH. Her position by House, Sign and Aspects gives SUPPORT to the judgement of Death, but is never the primary indicator.

In the key charts we have examined, Caylee's death has been clearly and repeatedly visible without any analysis of BML.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-23-2008, 05:58 PM
I remember East Colonial well but not Sutton. I will have to resort to the maps again.

It is a convenient drive from East Colonial. You can go straight up North Goldenrod. Now, what about parking a car with a child you are not permitted by law to leave unattended? But I think the police have investigated this; I mean, they would have. Google photos might be available, neighbors could be questioned about seeing the Pontiac.

beckaroozie
11-23-2008, 06:48 PM
It is a convenient drive from East Colonial. You can go straight up North Goldenrod. Now, what about parking a car with a child you are not permitted by law to leave unattended? But I think the police have investigated this; I mean, they would have. Google photos might be available, neighbors could be questioned about seeing the Pontiac.

I was trying to formulate a theory with the questions about the ping locations:

Where I was going with the time between the last ping of 6/16 and the first ping on 6/17 (12+ hr lapse) was it is strange that those pings are in the SAME place incongruent with any of the known player locations, as far as I can tell. That in conjunction with your etd of 2:36am on 6/17 raises an eyebrow as to what she was doing at that location. See post below - think it might be something?

beckaroozie
11-23-2008, 07:13 PM
Ok - there's a Tiffany Inn right across the street from the tower (Forsythe@E Colonial) It's name is deceiving though -- it's actually a bar -- party limo services have it listed on their sites as a drop off 'club'. It's only listed under bars/entertainment. Anyone know anything about it?

She could have parked her car there, came back the next morning and found Caylee dead? That tower is 2mi south of ALs house, and nowhere any other players. There are 2 closer towers to ALs house where most of her AL hours ping.

1st call on 6/17 10:23am ping 1 was to herself (voicemail probably)
2nd call on 6/17 was a 7.33 minute call to AH, wonder if AH knows anything?

Google up close photos must be outdated because it shows something underconstruction Forsythe@E Colonial so I don't know if Tiffany Inn is in existence there or not. There's a phone number listed for it in Orlando, and it shows up on the entertainment sites, so it could be.

Tuba
11-23-2008, 08:03 PM
I have always wondered about where she parked her car, especially after it became embarrassing. Terribly risky to leave a toddler in a car two miles from where you intend to sleep. By the time she got on the cell, she might have already driven down North Goldenrod and turned onto East Colonial. A law was passed just a few mos. ago where I live prohibiting hand held cells while driving. Speaker phone or blue tooth required now. I think we have too little information, beck. Maybe there is more in that call to AH.

Pink Panther
11-23-2008, 08:26 PM
Ok - there's a Tiffany Inn right across the street from the tower (Forsythe@E Colonial) It's name is deceiving though -- it's actually a bar -- party limo services have it listed on their sites as a drop off 'club'. It's only listed under bars/entertainment. Anyone know anything about it?

She could have parked her car there, came back the next morning and found Caylee dead? That tower is 2mi south of ALs house, and nowhere any other players. There are 2 closer towers to ALs house where most of her AL hours ping.

1st call on 6/17 10:23am ping 1 was to herself (voicemail probably)
2nd call on 6/17 was a 7.33 minute call to AH, wonder if AH knows anything?

Google up close photos must be outdated because it shows something underconstruction Forsythe@E Colonial so I don't know if Tiffany Inn is in existence there or not. There's a phone number listed for it in Orlando, and it shows up on the entertainment sites, so it could be.
Tuba - This is the best and most current site to visit for detailed maps of the area:

http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx

Make sure you select "aerial view 2008" on the menu on the left and then just pick a point and click. Keep clicking to keep zooming in. All properties are delineated and names of establishments are included.

Hope this helps. :)

Zoe Bogart
11-23-2008, 08:47 PM
Brought over from thread #3 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73881&page=29

Posted by FifthEssence, snipped from Soulscape
respectfully snipped from Soulscape previous post #327 on 8/22/08

The direction by house and sign is WEST NORTH WEST. The mileage is calculated based on the celestial latitude of the planet that is the significator (the SUN) and the difference in degrees between that planet and the MOON.
Sun is a 00 Latitude giving 1 mile according to Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson. The difference in degrees between significator SUN and the Moon is 4 degrees 46 minutes. 46 minutes is approximately ľ of 60 (60 minutes in a degree), so the indication is that Caylee is approximately 4.75 miles away from her home in a WEST NORTH WEST DIRECTION, or its opposite, EAST SOUTH EAST. (If you superimpose the chart over a land map, you will see the SUN (Caylee) in the EAST SOUTH EAST area.) (See Simplified Horary Astrology page 72)

I've actually done my Google Earth searches using these guidelines, looking at 4.5 miles + up to 5 miles WNW and ESE. Unfortunately, even using that small amount of area, the area is vast. :crosseyed:

Thanks for the chart, Tuba. I'll have to look at it more carefully. What I want to note, especially, is the multiple numbers of charts which have been generated for this case. We're still seeing charts made for varying times. Whoever says astrology is bunk has NO IDEA the amount of work produced to find out the truth of an event.

Sparky
11-23-2008, 09:09 PM
Ok - there's a Tiffany Inn right across the street from the tower (Forsythe@E Colonial) It's name is deceiving though -- it's actually a bar -- party limo services have it listed on their sites as a drop off 'club'. It's only listed under bars/entertainment. Anyone know anything about it?

She could have parked her car there, came back the next morning and found Caylee dead? That tower is 2mi south of ALs house, and nowhere any other players. There are 2 closer towers to ALs house where most of her AL hours ping.

1st call on 6/17 10:23am ping 1 was to herself (voicemail probably)
2nd call on 6/17 was a 7.33 minute call to AH, wonder if AH knows anything?

Google up close photos must be outdated because it shows something underconstruction Forsythe@E Colonial so I don't know if Tiffany Inn is in existence there or not. There's a phone number listed for it in Orlando, and it shows up on the entertainment sites, so it could be.


Hi Beck,

Actually The Tiffany Inn is no longer there. It was a C/W bar and was torn down a few years back. There is a gas/conv store on the other 3 corners of that intersection. I believe on of the gas/conv stores have closed. I did notice there is a Casey's Tower Service :eek: located at 6935 Old Cheney Hwy, 1 blk off of E colonial. The intersection of Forysth and Old Cheney. In the tower area, there are woods across where the homeless set up their camps.

Zoe Bogart
11-23-2008, 09:54 PM
snipped somewhat:

This is for Beckaroozie and others interested in the Black Moon Lilith (BML).

I have found BML to be prominent by house and aspect in many forensic charts. However, as I will point out further below, BML is a secondary indicator of death, not a primary one.

In forensic horary astrology the way I practice it, key charts include the "Last Seen," (the last time a missing person was seen alive), the "Last Heard," (the last time a missing person was heard from, including texting or making a voice call from cell phone), and the "Police Report," (the time the missing person was reported missing to the police.

Not all charts are available in all cases.

In Caylee's case, we have two "Last Seen" charts, depending on whether you believe George A. really saw his granddaughter on June 16th at 12:50 pm. The other "Last Seen," of course, is the videotape from the Nursing Home on June 15th at 12:03 pm (verified by police computer forensics).

In addition, we have the three telephone calls Cindy A. made to police, the most important of which is the #3 Phone Call to LE, made on 7/15/08 at 9:41pm.

(There is also a possible "Last Heard" chart calculated for the date and time Jesse G. stated he heard Caylee in the background during a phone conversation with Casey, but he later retracted that assertation, stating he couldn't be sure he really heard the child during that specific call.)

The most critical chart in this case, IMO, is Cindy's #3 Phone Call to LE which I have discussed in various posts throughout the Astrology threads.

Here is the biwheel showing Caylee's natal as inner and #3 Phone Call to LE as outer:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Cayleenatal3PhoneCalltoLEBiwheel.gif

(rest snipped off)
Thanks,
Soulscape


I've always put great stock in Cindy's third phone call because she probably stated the facts more honestly in that call than any other time. It was raw, she was scared, shocked, panicked and horrified. So like you, I tend to put more scope into 911 #3.

Thanks, Soulscape, this is great work.

KAITLAND
11-23-2008, 10:24 PM
Wonderful posts today Tuba and SS. Always a fascinating read with you guys (and everyone else!), but todays...emotional, very moving.

cocoamom
11-23-2008, 10:30 PM
Tuba I checked the pings -- your chart says the homicide likely occurred on the 17th at 2:36am?? Is that correct? Her phone was 'dead' from 11:16pm the prior evening of the 16th until 10:52am on the 17th. That's ALOT of downtime for chatty cathy. The unusual part is that the last ping on 16th and first ping on 17th are on E. Colonial? Not usual ping spot for AL house? Didn't connect it to any of the other players either -- I could be missing something though. I didn't see any hotels around there....thought maybe she had stayed in a hotel that night. Thanks

The church is in this ping zone - that's what drew me to it in the first place. If you don't know the thread, search Cocoamom's Church Theory. Mods closed the thread but I requested it be re-opened as we weren't finished with is yet. It has yet to be resurrected (pardon the pun)! Way too many hours are pinged on this tower for it to be Tony's or anything I can find of substance - if the church isn't it, I would love some suggestions! Still working on searching in there...

Lovejac
11-23-2008, 10:33 PM
Stopping by to let yall know that LP is planning on coming back in Jan 2009 to search for Caylee again. He stated that he has raised 50,000 to help fund the search!

FifthEssence
11-23-2008, 10:53 PM
Stopping by to let yall know that LP is planning on coming back in Jan 2009 to search for Caylee again. He stated that he has raised 50,000 to help fund the search!


Glad to hear that news. He'll be welcomed back by many.
Aren't we expecting an Eclispe 3rd week of January?

We need to find Little CAYLEE.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANGELstars1.jpg

KAITLAND
11-23-2008, 11:23 PM
Eclipse is on 1/26/09 6:29 Aquarius.

beckaroozie
11-24-2008, 12:51 AM
Hi Beck,

Actually The Tiffany Inn is no longer there. It was a C/W bar and was torn down a few years back. There is a gas/conv store on the other 3 corners of that intersection. I believe on of the gas/conv stores have closed. I did notice there is a Casey's Tower Service :eek: located at 6935 Old Cheney Hwy, 1 blk off of E colonial. The intersection of Forysth and Old Cheney. In the tower area, there are woods across where the homeless set up their camps.

Oh wow!! Thanks for the info Sparky! I guess that settles that lol. Thank everyone for indulging me on that line of thinking. :) Too bad it didn't produce anything. You guys are wonderful.

beckaroozie
11-24-2008, 12:53 AM
Wonderful posts today Tuba and SS. Always a fascinating read with you guys (and everyone else!), but todays...emotional, very moving.

Yes absolutely wonderful. Thank you guys for all the hard work you put into this.

chesterp
11-24-2008, 07:02 AM
Stopping by to let yall know that LP is planning on coming back in Jan 2009 to search for Caylee again. He stated that he has raised 50,000 to help fund the search!

That would certainly fit in with my dream of Caylee being found January11th. Any chance of a chart on LP and this date.

beckaroozie
11-24-2008, 09:03 AM
The church is in this ping zone - that's what drew me to it in the first place. If you don't know the thread, search Cocoamom's Church Theory. Mods closed the thread but I requested it be re-opened as we weren't finished with is yet. It has yet to be resurrected (pardon the pun)! Way too many hours are pinged on this tower for it to be Tony's or anything I can find of substance - if the church isn't it, I would love some suggestions! Still working on searching in there...

I love your church theory cocoamom...and there are some interesting places of opportunity all around there from what I can tell from google.

I'm going back to see how many times she pinged on that tower the 16th - 20th, but I was particularly interested in those 2 pings because they were her ending point on the 16th and beginning point on the 17th, and coincided with Tuba's ETD chart.

The only other option for the location of those pings is that she was on her way TO his house at 11:16 pm and on her way FROM his house at 10:32am the next morning, which is a possiblity, but odd coincidence that they were both on that tower last and first pings.

beckaroozie
11-24-2008, 09:10 AM
The intersection of Forysth and Old Cheney. In the tower area, there are woods across where the homeless set up their camps.

Hmm...will WORK for food?? babysitting, gravedigging, whatever you need. Ugh wild speculation, but she's a wild and irresponsible person for sure. I think we need some news soon, because I'm def stretching my imagination LOL. Need to step away from the puter.

MsMacGyver
11-24-2008, 09:59 AM
Tuba..I have to say this is one of the best threads on here. Alot of sleuthing and little bashing..Great relief..Have you posted a calendar of the dates you have discovered as crucial and the events that took place on those dates. I think it would be very interesting to see how the charts have played out up to this point. Great work to everyone..Thanks!

Tuba
11-24-2008, 10:18 AM
Hmm...will WORK for food?? babysitting, gravedigging, whatever you need. Ugh wild speculation, but she's a wild and irresponsible person for sure. I think we need some news soon, because I'm def stretching my imagination LOL. Need to step away from the puter.

At 6935 Old Cheney Hwy is a business with the name Casey's Tower Service. I cross checked with the business licenses. It is true. There is also a Casey's Towing Service.

Tuba
11-24-2008, 10:28 AM
Tuba..I have to say this is one of the best threads on here. Alot of sleuthing and little bashing..Great relief..Have you posted a calendar of the dates you have discovered as crucial and the events that took place on those dates. I think it would be very interesting to see how the charts have played out up to this point. Great work to everyone..Thanks!

I do have all my charts in an album at photobucket and I keep the hard copies in a stack by date but what we need to coordinate, as you say, is a calendar and it should include a list of all the WS astrologers' charts &/or pinpointed dates. We could put our names to the charts, or not. This will require a bit of cross talk or on-thread editing but it should not be too difficult.

Of course, there may be a WS who could launch such a calendar with some charts from a thread search and then astrologers could adjust the timeline and fill it in.

Soulscape
11-24-2008, 10:45 AM
Eclipse is on 1/26/09 6:29 Aquarius.

The 1/26/09 Solar Eclipse at 6:29 Aquarius is partile (in the same degree) conjunct Caylee's natal Part of Death (6:07 Aquarius). Solar Eclipses are very powerful New Moons and are known to herald significant endings and beginnings.

Let's hope this Solar Eclipse shines its light of awareness, heralding an ending to all the madness set into play by an innocent child's mother this past June....

Thanks,
Soulscape

MamaBird
11-24-2008, 12:44 PM
That would certainly fit in with my dream of Caylee being found January11th. Any chance of a chart on LP and this date.

That would be the best present that I could ever receive since that is my birthday!!!!

FifthEssence
11-24-2008, 10:47 PM
I do have all my charts in an album at photobucket and I keep the hard copies in a stack by date but what we need to coordinate, as you say, is a calendar and it should include a list of all the WS astrologers' charts &/or pinpointed dates. We could put our names to the charts, or not. This will require a bit of cross talk or on-thread editing but it should not be too difficult.

Of course, there may be a WS who could launch such a calendar with some charts from a thread search and then astrologers could adjust the timeline and fill it in.

TUBA, have sent an inquiry to Trisha/adminstrator to see if we could get our own calendar for the charts. If you go to the Calendar link at the top of the window on any page, a choice of calendars are available. For instance, there currently is a PUBLIC one with B'days on it. There's another with the Casey Timeline many members contributed to.

If we get an ASTRO Calendar dedicated to this thread, you could add a link to your photobucket acct for a particular chart relative to the day it reflects, and you could also add the WS link & post# where you have written the analysis for that day/block as well.

I hope she gets back to me soon as I think it would be a practical tool. Sure beats going back thru a zillion threads trying to locate them.

LetJusticePrevail
11-25-2008, 01:21 AM
Saw LPs coming back in Jan 09. I wish he'd plan to come back a bit earlier. I'm afraid with all of this time...little Caylee is disappearing. Sorry to sound so grim but I feel like time is of the essence to try to find her.

chesterp
11-25-2008, 07:57 AM
Saw LPs coming back in Jan 09. I wish he'd plan to come back a bit earlier. I'm afraid with all of this time...little Caylee is disappearing. Sorry to sound so grim but I feel like time is of the essence to try to find her.

I know it is hard to understand why Caylee has not been found with LP,LE,TES and all the volunteers searching for her and the many,many prayers. I truly believe everything happens for a reason. Caylee's soul is at peace and she will be found when she is supposed to be found. I truly believe in my dreams I have had along with all of the others I have read. I know some people claim she will never be found........................I believe she will be found in January like I posted earlier. We need to have faith and LP's statement fits in with my dream.

Soulscape
11-25-2008, 12:36 PM
I know it is hard to understand why Caylee has not been found with LP,LE,TES and all the volunteers searching for her and the many,many prayers. I truly believe everything happens for a reason. Caylee's soul is at peace and she will be found when she is supposed to be found. I truly believe in my dreams I have had along with all of the others I have read. I know some people claim she will never be found........................I believe she will be found in January like I posted earlier. We need to have faith and LP's statement fits in with my dream.

Hello Chesterp,

While I sincerely hope the dreams you & others have had regarding Caylee's remains being found turn out to be correct, the astrology gives disappointing testimony this will not happen.

I quote from one of my previous posts, found at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2562461&postcount=422

In the #3 Phone Call to LE Chart discussed several posts back, the planet symboling little Caylee (the SUN) was located in the turned 12th House (radix 6th). In astrology, the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses are called CADENT, one meaning of which is HIDDEN. In horary astrology, the missing person is where the planet symbolizing them is located. If the significator (planet representing the person or thing asked about) is in a cadent house, they are hidden, not easy to find. I have worked with other charts showing the missing person's significator in the turned 12th house and to date they were never found. (Madeline McCann comes to mind...). I am not saying Caylee won't be found, it just wouldn't surprise me much if she isn't.


The SUN (Caylee) is in Cancer. This is a water sign, and in the 12th House, suggests a watery grave. Also, in the natural wheel, the 12th House is given to PISCES, the modern ruler of which is NEPTUNE. So here we get another testimony of the possible scenario of a watery grave (water sign Pisces), and a mystery (Neptune) never to be solved (Neptune), since we all know Casey will never tell the truth (Neptune).

Unfortunately, the more time that elapses, the more likely the above scenario will play out.

Thanks,
Soulscape

gaia227
11-25-2008, 01:00 PM
If this has been posted, I apologize. There is just so much going on in this forum it is hard to keep track. The woman who operates a forensic astrology blog posted a reading on Caylee.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/

Tuba
11-25-2008, 01:09 PM
There is a chart for today's motions hearing at #587, page 24, in our thread #3. The astro thread.

chesterp
11-25-2008, 02:16 PM
If this has been posted, I apologize. There is just so much going on in this forum it is hard to keep track. The woman who operates a forensic astrology blog posted a reading on Caylee.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/

WOW, I just read this I do not know anything about astrology, but as I have posted before................Before the BOND hearing I had a dream and David Koresh was shouted out to me 3 times. This is the reason I have been so interested in the gas cans. I was also told red azaleas......... I am not sure what flowers are in the A's backyard, but I do know I have seen RED flowers in their yard. I do not follow the text messages/pings/or certain other things because in my mind it will not make any difference to my dream. I also posted a quote from Mother Theresa I was given about burning a man etc., which I found on RM page, which is no longer there, and I have seen a MALE crying saying he loved her and would never do anything to hurt her in my dream but I can not see his face. All of this fits in with my dreams.... except the date. I asked what day did Caylee go to Heaven and I was told loud and clear JUNE 14TH, which does not make sense because of evidence, and for the life of me I do not understand why I had these dreams of Caylee.

As for finding her remains, I strongly feel she will be found in Jan., maybe not intact, but Caylee will be found. The last dream I had Caylee was happy playing with her little sister in Heaven................. and I was told FORGIVENESS.

beckaroozie
11-25-2008, 02:55 PM
If this has been posted, I apologize. There is just so much going on in this forum it is hard to keep track. The woman who operates a forensic astrology blog posted a reading on Caylee.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/

Wow...that was something. I've been to that site before, but not back because Caylee's reading wasn't posted yet. That is amazing. A couple of things popped into my head reading it -- what male(s) did she talk to on 6/19? Also, I thought one time KC mentioned getting xanax from a male friend in a text to someone?? That's who I'd look at if I were LE. Wonder who she talked to previous and up through 6/19, but not after 6/23. Ricardo comes to mind, but I'll have to go back and look. Well, we know what she did with all that gas now...ugh, poor Caylee.

LE needs to confiscate the playhouse and all those pavers/bricks underneath it for forensics, and test the soil too maybe. I also wonder if they can do that sonar thing on the new concrete pad back there to see if anything is buried below?

I wonder if the day someone saw her there in the GREEN TRUCK with the unidentified male was the day she cremated Caylee or began preparing for it? Wasn't that (one of) the day(s) she took the gas? Can someone do a chart on the day she was there in the green truck? See if it says who might have been with her? Or at least a astro sign or something?

ZubenElSchemali
11-25-2008, 03:25 PM
In reference to the above link or any chart, I'd like to point out that each house has many different possibilities. For example, the 9th house could be a woods, with a sign that agrees with that notion, or it could be high ground, the upper floor of a building, a church and especially far away, even in another country. The 9th gives international connections.

Also, each day every sign and planet touches each house cusp. Not all children die when the 5th ruler lands in their 4th or 8th and this happens every day. As I right this the ruler of the 5th is in the 8th and none of my children are dead. One is cutting a snowflake (Sag with his sword) and another is playing World of Warcraft on the internet. Mars is close by too so the warrior is busy at play. Sun there too, play time for children, young and old. The 8th is also elimination, going to the bathroom. The 8th can mean receiving payment or being abducted too, I believe. It's very important for the astrologer to not have any preconceived ideas when reading.

Soulscape
11-25-2008, 08:14 PM
When a person "disappears into nowhere," the Last Seen chart can determine the condition and whereabouts of the missing person and whether the person is dead or alive.

There are certain testimonies that show whether a missing person is dead, including ruler of the 1st in the 8th; ruler of the 8th in the 1st (or the 8th --- death is strong in its own house); in either the radix or turned charts. Other indications, such as whether the Lights (Sun & Moon) are below the horizon, and the condition of the Moon (among others), support that judgment.

In the Last Seen by George chart, Caylee is symbolized by the 9th House, because she is his child's child. (George, who is the actor in this event, is the 1st House, his daughter Casey is the 5th House and her child Caylee is 5th from the 5th, or the 9th House of the Last Seen.)

You can view the chart here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CaseyCayleeLastSeenbyGrandpaGeorge.gif

Note that Taurus is on the 9th house cusp, making Venus the ruler of Caylee. Venus (Caylee) is located in the radix 10th House, which is the turned 2nd House (the 10th is second from the 9th). This is a bad placement. Having one's significator in one's turned 2nd is as bad as having it in the turned (or radix) 8th House.

Also note Admetos 25:03 Taurus is in Caylee's turned 1st House. Admetos is a Transneptunian often associated with death by strangulation or suffocation and it closely conjuncts the malefic Fixed Star CAPUT ALGOL (not shown), associated with losing one's head (and thus, death) either literally or figuratively. Having Admetos & Algol in her 1st house bodes no good...

Additionally, Venus (Caylee) in radix 10th / turned 2nd is combust the Sun and peregrine, suggesting she is in bad condition (combustion) and unable to help herself (peregrination). That she is in "bad condition" is strengthened because Venus (Caylee) is separating from a trine to Neptune (drugs). She has recently (separating aspect) been drugged (Neptune).

As if this is not bad enough, Venus (Caylee) is partile (in the same degree) conjunct Hades (death) and applying opposition Pluto (death) in the radix 4th House/ turned 8th House (Caylee's 8th house of death because the 4th is 8th from the 9th). The ruler of Caylee's turned 8th House of Death (radix 4th house) is Jupiter which is also located in the turned 8th.

The Moon, always critically important in a horary chart, is partile conjunct Black Moon Lilith (death indicator) and partile square Saturn (death), as well as besieged (trapped) between Saturn (death) and Pluto (death). Moon applies semisquare Jupiter (ruler of Caylee's turned 8th house of Death).

This Last Seen chart clearly gives testimony Caylee is dead, as do all the key charts we have already examined.

No matter how many charts we look at, the Stars keep telling us the same thing.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-25-2008, 09:28 PM
:eek:There was a New Moon on June 3 at 13:34 II. Mercury stationed at that degree at the front of the week under consideration and Medea was square at 13:18 Pisces.

It is always interesting to look at the solar eclipse preceding birth. For Caylee, it was a total eclipse at 19:06 Aries. If that is familiar, it is the ASC of the perpetration chart and also the place of the progressed New Moon in Casey's chart. Pallas Athena was on Casey's progressed Venus. (S.P. Caylee's ASC)

Caylee's Chiron, Casey's Dark Moon Lilith and the Part of Death are all conjunct in the Last Seen Chart. The anaesthetist from hell.

Tuba
11-25-2008, 09:32 PM
Break out the party hats and horns! Release the confetti and balloons! Tomorrow is Kaitland's birthday and we wish her the fizziest of celebrations. Many happy returns, Kaitland!

beckaroozie
11-25-2008, 10:02 PM
Break out the party hats and horns! Release the confetti and balloons! Tomorrow is Kaitland's birthday and we wish her the fizziest of celebrations. Many happy returns, Kaitland!

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::HappyBday::bananapowersli de::Banane23::Banane10::Banane45::Banane48::Banane 35:

Happy Birthday Kaitland!!

KAITLAND
11-25-2008, 10:19 PM
Thanks for the B'day wishes everybody! Going to have a nice celebration on Thanksgiving with family and friends...all the trimmings...and some bubbly to toast!
Love, Kait

KAITLAND
11-25-2008, 10:37 PM
When a person "disappears into nowhere," the Last Seen chart can determine the condition and whereabouts of the missing person and whether the person is dead or alive.

There are certain testimonies that show whether a missing person is dead, including ruler of the 1st in the 8th; ruler of the 8th in the 1st (or the 8th --- death is strong in its own house); in either the radix or turned charts. Other indications, such as whether the Lights (Sun & Moon) are below the horizon, and the condition of the Moon (among others), support that judgment.

In the Last Seen by George chart, Caylee is symbolized by the 9th House, because she is his child's child. (George, who is the actor in this event, is the 1st House, his daughter Casey is the 5th House and her child Caylee is 5th from the 5th, or the 9th House of the Last Seen.)

You can view the chart here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CaseyCayleeLastSeenbyGrandpaGeorge.gif

Note that Taurus is on the 9th house cusp, making Venus the ruler of Caylee. Venus (Caylee) is located in the radix 10th House, which is the turned 2nd House (the 10th is second from the 9th). This is a bad placement. Having one's significator in one's turned 2nd is as bad as having it in the turned (or radix) 8th House.

Also note Admetos 25:03 Taurus is in Caylee's turned 1st House. Admetos is a Transneptunian often associated with death by strangulation or suffocation and it closely conjuncts the malefic Fixed Star CAPUT ALGOL (not shown), associated with losing one's head (and thus, death) either literally or figuratively. Having Admetos & Algol in her 1st house bodes no good...

Additionally, Venus (Caylee) in radix 10th / turned 2nd is combust the Sun and peregrine, suggesting she is in bad condition (combustion) and unable to help herself (peregrination). That she is in "bad condition" is strengthened because Venus (Caylee) is separating from a trine to Neptune (drugs). She has recently (separating aspect) been drugged (Neptune).

As if this is not bad enough, Venus (Caylee) is partile (in the same degree) conjunct Hades (death) and applying opposition Pluto (death) in the radix 4th House/ turned 8th House (Caylee's 8th house of death because the 4th is 8th from the 9th). The ruler of Caylee's turned 8th House of Death (radix 4th house) is Jupiter which is also located in the turned 8th.

The Moon, always critically important in a horary chart, is partile conjunct Black Moon Lilith (death indicator) and partile square Saturn (death), as well as besieged (trapped) between Saturn (death) and Pluto (death). Moon applies semisquare Jupiter (ruler of Caylee's turned 8th house of Death).

This Last Seen chart clearly gives testimony Caylee is dead, as do all the key charts we have already examined.

No matter how many charts we look at, the Stars keep telling us the same thing.

Thanks,
Soulscape

The Last Seen Chart (LSC) also has strong connections to Caylee's natal chart. LSC volatile mars in Leo crosses her n. ascendant while LSC deadly/fated dragon tail and Chiron conjunct in Aquarius (with close by deceptive/drugs/poison Neptune) opposes from descendant. LSC shocking uranus in Pisces falls in her n. 8th house of death/murder and forms stressful t-square to n. venus in virgo and pluto in sag. This connects the 4th/10th house parental axis (venus ruled Taurus and pluto ruled Scorpio). Caylee knew her assailant.

Zoe Bogart
11-26-2008, 12:03 AM
Snipped a bit:
When a person "disappears into nowhere," the Last Seen chart can determine the condition and whereabouts of the missing person and whether the person is dead or alive.

There are certain testimonies that show whether a missing person is dead, including ruler of the 1st in the 8th; ruler of the 8th in the 1st (or the 8th --- death is strong in its own house); in either the radix or turned charts. Other indications, such as whether the Lights (Sun & Moon) are below the horizon, and the condition of the Moon (among others), support that judgment.

In the Last Seen by George chart, Caylee is symbolized by the 9th House, because she is his child's child. (George, who is the actor in this event, is the 1st House, his daughter Casey is the 5th House and her child Caylee is 5th from the 5th, or the 9th House of the Last Seen.)



This Last Seen chart clearly gives testimony Caylee is dead, as do all the key charts we have already examined.

No matter how many charts we look at, the Stars keep telling us the same thing.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Thank you, soulscape. The parts in bold are excellent lessons for learning astrology. What's interesting in this case, all charts point to death. As terrible as this is, it only shows that no matter how many different ways astrologers do their charts and deductions, the results are consistent.


Somewhat off-topic:
In thread #3, I asked about the charts used for JFK's assassination in the book Forensic Astrology. I just want to say I've found the answer to my questions. It turns out, I didn't pay attention to the full charts he made. He used the birth chart, the death chart, and the secondary progressions. It was the secondary progressions that threw me, and I totally missed seeing the day of event chart. :confused: So those of you who read my posts, I thank you for trying to give me answers, however the error was mine, not the author's. No surprise. :rolleyes: Thanks to all. Back to Caylee now.....

Happy Birthday, KAITLAND.

technicalconfusion
11-26-2008, 01:12 AM
I have a dumb question. Has anyone tried to do a chart on the shovel KC borrowed from the neighbor?

Nore
11-26-2008, 01:44 AM
Thanks for the B'day wishes everybody! Going to have a nice celebration on Thanksgiving with family and friends...all the trimmings...and some bubbly to toast!
Love, Kait
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Hi Kait, just saw this.I hope you had a very Happy Birthday and a Blessed Thanksgiving. Nore

Zoe Bogart
11-26-2008, 01:49 AM
I have a dumb question. Has anyone tried to do a chart on the shovel KC borrowed from the neighbor?

That's a good question. I think, though, the chart would be an event chart (or whatever) for WHEN she borrowed the shovel, since we have no way of finding the shovel's birth information. :wink: Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :blowkiss:

Has a chart been done to see if the Anthonys are being honest? :rolleyes: I know there were charts that said they are 'innocent' but anything on honesty? Not that I really think we need one. :eek:

If I don't pop in later tonight, HAPPY THANKSGIVING, everybody. I hope your day is a great one. gobble :chicken: gobble

LetJusticePrevail
11-26-2008, 02:08 AM
If this has been posted, I apologize. There is just so much going on in this forum it is hard to keep track. The woman who operates a forensic astrology blog posted a reading on Caylee.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/

Do we know anything about this woman's credibility? I, personally found her blog on Caylee fascinating. I'm just wondering what we know on her - I wasn't even able to find her name, etc. but then again...my sleuthing is a bit off right now at 2AM. Thanks for any info in advance.

Zoe Bogart
11-26-2008, 02:47 AM
If this has been posted, I apologize. There is just so much going on in this forum it is hard to keep track. The woman who operates a forensic astrology blog posted a reading on Caylee.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/



My first thoughts at the beginning of the case, when hearing about the gas cans, were "Oh, no, she burned that baby's body!". How awful! Then I wondered what she did with the bones because bones don't burn in small fires. They only disintegrate in extreme heat, like in a crematorium, or like in the high heat produced by those airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center. So if she burned the body, she could have scattered the bones in various locations, buried in small indiscriminate locations where it would be almost impossible to locate them. Little Caylee could be spread out all over Orlando. :eek:

I'm probably wrong.

21merc7
11-26-2008, 06:17 AM
Happy Birthday Kaitland! :HappyBday

And, I hope everyone has a very special and thankful Thanksgiving. Thanks to you all here! :blowkiss:

Soulscape
11-26-2008, 09:03 AM
Do we know anything about this woman's credibility? I, personally found her blog on Caylee fascinating. I'm just wondering what we know on her - I wasn't even able to find her name, etc. but then again...my sleuthing is a bit off right now at 2AM. Thanks for any info in advance.

This is Caroline Luley (she posts her name on her site). She is credible, with years of astrological experience behind her. She focuses on forensic astrology and has posted voluminous analyses of various crime cases/ missing person cases on her (very fascinating!) blog, forensicastrology. She also offers a free monthly e-letter you can subscribe to on her site.

That said, I'd like to remind everyone once again, when reading any astrologer's forensic astrological analysis, ours included, keep in mind charts speak to us in Star Language and sometimes, despite both best efforts and expertise, an astrologer --- any astrologer, even the most highly skilled --- can misinterpret to some degree or another...

Thanks,
Soulscape

chesterp
11-26-2008, 09:31 AM
My first thoughts at the beginning of the case, when hearing about the gas cans, were "Oh, no, she burned that baby's body!". How awful! Then I wondered what she did with the bones because bones don't burn in small fires. They only disintegrate in extreme heat, like in a crematorium, or like in the high heat produced by those airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center. So if she burned the body, she could have scattered the bones in various locations, buried in small indiscriminate locations where it would be almost impossible to locate them. Little Caylee could be spread out all over Orlando. :eek:

I'm probably wrong.

So many people get intuitive messages and I do believe astrology is so fascinating and I very impressed with all these interpertations. I do not understand why I am so attached to the gas cans. I would hate to believe Caylee was burned, but my messages lead me to think it is quite possible, I do hope one day we all find out the truth what actually happened to this precious little girl.

beckaroozie
11-26-2008, 09:51 AM
I have a dumb question. Has anyone tried to do a chart on the shovel KC borrowed from the neighbor?

Hi Tech - I asked this too the other day and Tuba said there was some confusion as to WHEN the shovel was borrowed. I think it was on the 18th between 1:30 and 2:30, from what I could gather, but I guess the neighor vascillated (eww) on it.

salvarenga
11-26-2008, 10:52 AM
I do not think she burned Caylee's body. From what I have read, it is very hard to burn a body. You have to reach very high tempuratures and I don't think a normal "campfire" type fire would accomplish this. Perhaps she burned clothes or other evidence but I don't think she burned the body.

beckaroozie
11-26-2008, 11:34 AM
I do not think she burned Caylee's body. From what I have read, it is very hard to burn a body. You have to reach very high tempuratures and I don't think a normal "campfire" type fire would accomplish this. Perhaps she burned clothes or other evidence but I don't think she burned the body.

I think she TRIED to burn the body, several times and was successful to some degree and then scattered what didn't burn. <<---shiver. an awful thought. No wonder she was having nightmares at AL's house. Oh man -- I didn't even think of this till just now....she rented those Killer movies right after she supposedly killed Caylee....do you suppose she was trying to get some 'ideas' on how to dispose of her? Has anyone seen those movies before? Seems odd that she would have rented those type. Maybe there's a clue in them?

Recovering-Lurker
11-26-2008, 11:49 AM
My first thoughts at the beginning of the case, when hearing about the gas cans, were "Oh, no, she burned that baby's body!". How awful! Then I wondered what she did with the bones because bones don't burn in small fires. They only disintegrate in extreme heat, like in a crematorium, or like in the high heat produced by those airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center. So if she burned the body, she could have scattered the bones in various locations, buried in small indiscriminate locations where it would be almost impossible to locate them. Little Caylee could be spread out all over Orlando. :eek:

I'm probably wrong.

I do not think she burned Caylee's body. From what I have read, it is very hard to burn a body. You have to reach very high tempuratures and I don't think a normal "campfire" type fire would accomplish this. Perhaps she burned clothes or other evidence but I don't think she burned the body.

I think she TRIED to burn the body, several times and was successful to some degree and then scattered what didn't burn. <<---shiver. an awful thought. No wonder she was having nightmares at AL's house. Oh man -- I didn't even think of this till just now....she rented those Killer movies right after she supposedly killed Caylee....do you suppose she was trying to get some 'ideas' on how to dispose of her? Has anyone seen those movies before? Seems odd that she would have rented those type. Maybe there's a clue in them?

Joseph Duncan burned Dylan Groene's body in a campfire, and only a piece of skull and 1,700 tiny bone fragments were recovered. :mad:

indymom77
11-26-2008, 12:12 PM
Do you honestly think that KC could handle the smell? (If she did try to burn the body)
Thats what I cant get passed...

chesterp
11-26-2008, 12:52 PM
Do you honestly think that KC could handle the smell? (If she did try to burn the body)
Thats what I cant get passed...

Does anything in this case make any sense? I think KC is capable of doing things heinous, it is clear she was involved in the death of Caylee. As wild and horrible all of these speculations and theories seem............. Nothing KC has done for the 31 days.......................... before the truth came out Caylee was missing nothing makes any sense.

Tuba
11-26-2008, 02:06 PM
In tracking figures who are part of this case, one of my favorite frozen moments in time is the commencement of a court proceeding. None is unimportant and everything is gathered onto one scene.

Yesterday's motions hearing was as contentious as promised by its planets and the array on 11 December continues the charged atmosphere. Mars in his element of Fire squares Uranus (as well as Saturn). Casey is scheduled to appear and brings her own Mars Uranus cargo. The Sun makes the same afflictions to Uranus and Saturn and conjoins Mars. The adversaries go richter but the judge is in amongst them, not removed or detached in disposition.

Evidence has been accumulating to date (December 11) and any time the ruler of H. 12 is angular, hidden matters and secrets, solitary knowledge and truth withheld come to light of public scrutiny. Concealment busts a seam, springs a leak, ignites and spreads. Further, someone is talking. Mercury in H. 12 is a witness who tells tales. This is unexpected spillage on December 9, preceding this pre-trial. But the witness himself or herself is protected.

Both H. 2 and H. 8, Placidus Cusps, hold degrees of crisis. If continuance is sought, the parties awaiting justice on the theft and fraud charges are persecuted. "Justice delayed is justice denied." This trial was originally set for 17 November. With the Saturn of this chart now at inconjunct to Neptune in H. 2, from H. 8, the need for resolution of these matters is setting off alarms. Inconjuncts require payment, restitution, satisfaction of a debt, here in the form of a legal judgment. Sun ruling H. 8 square Saturn and Uranus (old & modern rulers of money problems here) does not favor the charging parties.

Pluto rules potential jurors and is at 0°30' of Capricorn. Changes in the works regarding the jury pool. Pluto is trine the outcome Fourth House: good decision.

The prisoner, denoted by the Moon, is on Hyades Fixed Star of Imprisonment, murder, violence. She is separating from the contra// of Mars and applying to the contra// of Mercury. This Moon is the antiscion of the Moon from November 17. Both are in crisis, a climactic moment, in a flat spin. The Venus of this chart is the antiscion of the November 17 Sun, scheduled theft and fraud trial. The banks and the complainant are fixed by Sign and not going anywhere but do not have support, having separated from the semi-square to Mars & in receipt of a trine from the prisoner. The prisoner mutually moves to a retrograde Pallas Athena at 10:44 II, plotting a strategy. One theft victim who did not file is CA and Venus here is on her natal Moon. Ever the enabler, patient as Job. She is at the mid-point of Jupiter and Neptune, mixing that very special artificial fruit punch which she also imbibes.

Salem
11-26-2008, 02:22 PM
Will the upcoming planet line up have any impact on this case?

http://news.aol.com/article/jupiter-venus-and-moon-to-get-together/260466

I'm so looking forward to this, I remember it from 2004.

Salem

Tuba
11-26-2008, 02:26 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/11DecPre-Trail017.jpg

Soulscape has already posted this chart in thread #3 but using Koch House System, whereas this chart is Placidus, populating House 11 with the Sun & Mars.

Tuba
11-26-2008, 02:27 PM
Yes, Salem, the trio rises in House 1 of the pre-trial. This saves the event which would otherwise be a bear garden.

Deborah1012
11-26-2008, 02:29 PM
Last night I came across this article about defensiveness and how it relates to an astrological chart: http://www.themetaarts.com/pages/basilfearington.html
The personality he described so suited my MIL that I did her chart and it's amazing that she has the Eastern Hemisphere emphasis with all her planets. I wondered who else this sounded like and thought of Cindy. I did a quick search for her chart but of course didn't see it so thought I'd post and ask if anyone has noted an Eastern Hemisphere emphasis to her chart?
Quote from article:


Defenses are not bad. In fact, defenses are necessary at times and should be utilized. Behaviors that exist in order to protect, shield, or cushion one from fears or pains are defensive behaviors. The problem is when defenses become exaggerated and habitual they become a liability and can get in the way of growth and progress, especially regarding relationships. People operating in a defensive mode can be difficult to affect, difficult to get to and with a too easy comfort with being alone. As well, excessive defensiveness is a deterrent to dealing with reality. By avoiding all threats of pain, hurt, fear or any disturbance, one falls into a manufactured reality that does not reflect the real world. Delusions come easy because one is acting on misconceptions based on the comfortable reality set up by the defenses. In many ways, defenses are lies, simple untruths about reality; distorted perceptions that control one’s life when they are excessive. Excessive defensiveness is a heavy cross to bear. For the defensive, they become easy prey to control by others. All one has to do is push the button of the defensive person and watch the person do the rest. For those people who do not have issues with defensiveness, it can be a real challenge dealing with a defensive person because you are continually on guard.


Defenses come in all shapes and sizes and are motivated by many different things. The fact of the matter is that defenses exist for purposes of survival, not to hide in fear from anything that one perceives to be a threat. An existence of defensiveness where one is defensive about everything all the time is like being trapped in a room. It is the equivalent of locking oneself up in jail, especially when extreme.

With an Eastern emphasis, the life is conditioned by ego justification, by parameters of (self) defensiveness. When we see a horoscope with an eastern hemisphere emphasis, there is a suggestion of defensiveness. If you view the person as being the point of the Ascendant and all the planets in the east as being soldiers, you get a real sense of one being protected from harm, fighting if necessary to defend oneself. This is especially so when all the planets in the west are retrograde. It is an indication of an extreme pullback into one’s self that is almost always detrimental. (To somewhat of a lesser degree, four or more planets in Cancer or Scorpio will have a tendency to exaggerated defensiveness).

Tuba
11-26-2008, 02:45 PM
Soulscape posted her chart for the murder pre-trial on page 1, #22 of Thread 3. She looked at other facets of the event than those covered in mine.

Since we do not have a birth time for Cindy, we do not have an emphasis on E or W, above or below the horizon. You are giving us a nudge though toward looking at her planetary concentration in such a way. Just a cursory glance does not show remarkable concentration in any hemi-sphere. To me, she is a summer child. I see it in her. Just as I see Casey as a night person. Cindy has quite a splash of planets through the zodiac. She does seem here, there and everywhere when she holds the spittoon. Gemini augments that, of course.

ShadowGal
11-26-2008, 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Soulscape
When a person "disappears into nowhere," the Last Seen chart can determine the condition and whereabouts of the missing person and whether the person is dead or alive.

There are certain testimonies that show whether a missing person is dead, including ruler of the 1st in the 8th; ruler of the 8th in the 1st (or the 8th --- death is strong in its own house); in either the radix or turned charts. Other indications, such as whether the Lights (Sun & Moon) are below the horizon, and the condition of the Moon (among others), support that judgment.

In the Last Seen by George chart, Caylee is symbolized by the 9th House, because she is his child's child. (George, who is the actor in this event, is the 1st House, his daughter Casey is the 5th House and her child Caylee is 5th from the 5th, or the 9th House of the Last Seen.)

You can view the chart here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ndpaGeorge.gif

Note that Taurus is on the 9th house cusp, making Venus the ruler of Caylee. Venus (Caylee) is located in the radix 10th House, which is the turned 2nd House (the 10th is second from the 9th). This is a bad placement. Having one's significator in one's turned 2nd is as bad as having it in the turned (or radix) 8th House.

Also note Admetos 25:03 Taurus is in Caylee's turned 1st House. Admetos is a Transneptunian often associated with death by strangulation or suffocation and it closely conjuncts the malefic Fixed Star CAPUT ALGOL (not shown), associated with losing one's head (and thus, death) either literally or figuratively. Having Admetos & Algol in her 1st house bodes no good...

Additionally, Venus (Caylee) in radix 10th / turned 2nd is combust the Sun and peregrine, suggesting she is in bad condition (combustion) and unable to help herself (peregrination). That she is in "bad condition" is strengthened because Venus (Caylee) is separating from a trine to Neptune (drugs). She has recently (separating aspect) been drugged (Neptune).

As if this is not bad enough, Venus (Caylee) is partile (in the same degree) conjunct Hades (death) and applying opposition Pluto (death) in the radix 4th House/ turned 8th House (Caylee's 8th house of death because the 4th is 8th from the 9th). The ruler of Caylee's turned 8th House of Death (radix 4th house) is Jupiter which is also located in the turned 8th.

The Moon, always critically important in a horary chart, is partile conjunct Black Moon Lilith (death indicator) and partile square Saturn (death), as well as besieged (trapped) between Saturn (death) and Pluto (death). Moon applies semisquare Jupiter (ruler of Caylee's turned 8th house of Death).

This Last Seen chart clearly gives testimony Caylee is dead, as do all the key charts we have already examined.

No matter how many charts we look at, the Stars keep telling us the same thing.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Bold by me. In light of the news that came out today regarding KC's searches for 'neck breaking,' this is particularly horrific to me.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18152501/detail.html first and now obsolete link

http://www.wftv.com/news/18155274/detail.html#- correct and updated link

FifthEssence
11-26-2008, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the B'day wishes everybody! Going to have a nice celebration on Thanksgiving with family and friends...all the trimmings...and some bubbly to toast!
Love, Kait



H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y KAITLAND!

maybe I'll have some bubbly too... hope you Celebration is filled with lots of Love and Laughter.

Blessings. ♥

ps:thankyou for all that you do :blowkiss:

KAITLAND
11-26-2008, 04:32 PM
Yes, the new documents about computer searches into shovels, murder weapons, neck breaking are hard to fathom. Becomes more understandable how LE arrived at first degree murder charge. Saw a program last night (tired, can't remember which one - on the court tv station) where two attorneys were discussing the value of circumstantial evidence: they both stated that sometimes circumstantial evidence is actually stronger than the scientific forensics. One gave the analogy: if it snowed last night and you woke up in the middle of the night and actually saw the snow coming down - that is direct physical evidence. But, if it snowed last night, and you slept through it, but got up in the morning and saw snow on the ground.....that is circumstantial. You DID NOT SEE the snow FALLING, but you see the result of it on the ground - circumstantial. This gave me hope.
Many are asking "are the A's honest". I posted some details about KC and CA's severely afflicted mercury (communication) aspects - all tied in with neptune (deception/fantasy). Will try to do George's soon. He has challenges to neptune, as they do. We already know several facts: KC is a confirmed habitual liar. GA lied to the family about losing significant amount of money in an email scam. CA - well tv appearances kinda say it all. These lies are significant and have destructive (and deadly )ramifications. These are not the small white lies that most people tell on occasion (to the neighbor you can't stand: "I can't come to your dinner party, I have to work."). Have to get through Thanksgiving before I can do up the chart!
Another facet of neptune (deception/illusion/fantasy): we are continually shocked at the information coming out of the documents. It does look like there was premeditation - and for quite some time. It is hard to look at this beautiful young mother, with a precious little child, who had the support of her family (albeit dysfunctional), and a whole future ahead of her and connect the dots to.....premeditated murder! But then, Tolstoy said it best: "It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness." Neptune holds sway over beauty, glamour, the illusion of "whatever".....think Hollywood films; it's all special effects and soft focus lenses....

Zoe Bogart
11-27-2008, 01:19 AM
Do you honestly think that KC could handle the smell? (If she did try to burn the body)
Thats what I cant get passed...


THAT's what made my think I was wrong about KC burning her, but then, she lived with the smell of the decomposition in her trunk......so, no telling what KC could tolerate.

Zoe Bogart
11-27-2008, 02:18 AM
Soulscape posted her chart for the murder pre-trial on page 1, #22 of Thread 3. She looked at other facets of the event than those covered in mine.

Since we do not have a birth time for Cindy, we do not have an emphasis on E or W, above or below the horizon. You are giving us a nudge though toward looking at her planetary concentration in such a way. Just a cursory glance does not show remarkable concentration in any hemi-sphere. To me, she is a summer child. I see it in her. Just as I see Casey as a night person. Cindy has quite a splash of planets through the zodiac. She does seem here, there and everywhere when she holds the spittoon. Gemini augments that, of course.


Even though we don't have the birth time for Cindy, we can still see her planets are rather spread throughout the chart, no matter what time she was born.

On the other hand, I have an Eastern Hemisphere/Southern Hemisphere chart, except for my bucket handle Jupiter, and trust me, I don't "defend" much of anything. I'm more of an "It is what it is" type of Gemini (four planets! :eek:).


Thanks for the links to the neck-breaking, incest accusations article. http://www.wftv.com/news/18155274/detail.html#-

I swear, just when I think this case couldn't shock me one more ounce, along comes this neck-breaking research. This is a two-year-old child, for crying out loud!!!! "Let me see, if I can't kill her with the chloroform, I'll just break her neck." :eek: And her family claims she was a good mother!!!! Chloroform, types of shovels, neck-breaking, body stuffed into the trunk......I'm beginning to understand why LE said we will be SHOCKED when all the information comes out. :crosseyed: My head is spinning.

KAITLAND
11-27-2008, 12:01 PM
HAPPY THANKSGIVING FELLOW SLEUTHS. I hope each of you has much to be thankful for this year. Let's all say a prayer today for the A's that their suffering ends soon, that little Caylee is found soon, and that God can reach Casey's heart and mind giving her the ability to speak the truth.

Love, Kait

magic-cat
11-28-2008, 03:25 AM
HAPPY THANKSGIVING FELLOW SLEUTHS. I hope each of you has much to be thankful for this year. Let's all say a prayer today for the A's that their suffering ends soon, that little Caylee is found soon, and that God can reach Casey's heart and mind giving her the ability to speak the truth.

Love, Kait

Kaitland,
I hope you had a wonderful birthday and will join you in that prayer...May Caylee be found soon.

Tuba
11-28-2008, 06:28 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Jul22BondHearing019.jpg

With the release of documents, old matters re-emerge. Matters flexible at the arrest, with mutable Signs on the angles, are now established and legal action is fully underway: fixed Signs now hold the angles.

Because H. 3 holds an intercept, witnesses serve two functions. The prosecution can determine witness involvement (aiding, abetting, accomplice in the act or conspiracy to act, misprison of felonies) and also examines them for the truth of the matter under investigation and prosecution. H. 9 is also intercepted and admissibility of evidence will become an issue.

Mercury is restrained by the Moon, Jupiter is hindered by Saturn. They are also pulling against one another, working in opposite directions. The Signs on the cusp can't operate freely either because it is the rulers of II and Sagittarius that are stuck inside. How can we depend on a laconic Pluto, the more withholding because retrograde, to get at the truths of the case? With guesses and speculation come distortions and inaccuracies.

Law enforcement and the attorneys are the best sources for the facts in July. It was easy to misread the situation otherwise, as Leonard learned to his cost. The Moon was last over the ruler of H. 5, the child already in sorry condition (retrograde malefic). By the lights of this chart, residential tracts with pond or lake not far from the tract boundary are the likely grave site. Since the node is present, a HOA exists for the tract in question.

As the months tick by, a surprise witness comes forward, Moon on Uranus trine Mercury. Mercury in Cancer is silent as a crab but as H. 9 cusp advances, Mercury's tongue loosens. The aspects are too strong for Mercury to do otherwise. We saw this in the statements Geo. made a week and a half later in his FBI interviews.

The New Moon of November 27 conjoins the Part of Fatality of this bond hearing chart and the Full Moon is on the Part of Death. The emotional effects and outside pressures on the A's and particulary on the prisoner have been explored. With Sun, Mercury, Mars and Moon going over her Saturn, today is really "Black Friday" for KC.

Lovejac
11-28-2008, 06:30 PM
I hope all of you Super-Astros had a great Thanksgiving! I am thankful for each of you, as you have tought me a great deal!

I am very saddened after reading about the 'neck breaking' searches in the newest doc dump. I shudder to think what might have happened to that precious child.

Kaitland, happy belated birthday! I will be joining you in your prayer as well.

beckaroozie
11-28-2008, 09:11 PM
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The Moon was last over the ruler of H. 5, the child already in sorry condition (retrograde malefic). By the lights of this chart, residential tracts with pond or lake not far from the tract boundary are the likely grave site. Since the node is present, a HOA exists for the tract in question.
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In the 'New Smell & Timeline' thread in the 'sticky' section up top, I mentioned last week or week before (theorized) that she threw the body over the back fence (thus the cadaver dog hits by the fence) and dragged her across that back common area behind the fences at the A's house. There's a clay open area, then woods and a rain runoff pond back there. I still don't know if this area has ever been searched. That is the boundary of that subdivision. The woods on the north side are right by the Hidden Oaks Elementary school. As we all know the A's subdivision DOES have a HOA.

(And thank you VERY much for the chart Tuba!!)

beckaroozie
11-28-2008, 09:16 PM
THAT's what made my think I was wrong about KC burning her, but then, she lived with the smell of the decomposition in her trunk......so, no telling what KC could tolerate.

Ok, I've read through the new volumes and something jumped out at me regarding whether KC burned the body.

LA picked up two duffles or suitcases of KCs clothes from LAs apartment on 7/15 after Cindy picked her up from there. According to Cindy AND George, CA immediately washed the clothes because they smelled 'nasty' and reeked heavily of smoke....she thought cigarette smoke, George just said they were 'smoky'.

I say KC carried those close around with her in the back or trunk of her car and that smoky smell is either coming from the clothes she had on when she did the deed (multiple times??), or the bags absorbed the odor while in the car. I'm not sure if either AL or his roommate smokes...if they don't it's something to look into for sure.

Zoe Bogart
11-28-2008, 10:57 PM
Hmmmm. Not all smoke smells alike. I've smelled cigarette smoke and house fire smoke and they were definitely different. I wonder if Casey's clothing could have smelled even worse than cigarette smoke? We know the Anthonys don't want cigarette smoke in their house and they threw out stuffed toys people sent because they smelled like smoke (I'm assuming cig. smoke). I would assume the smoke odor from a burned body would be worse.

That is a good catch, beckaroozie.

Apparently Cindy's sniffer works overtime and on high alert.

It would be almost totally unbelievable Casey could chloroform the child, break her neck, and then burn her, maybe after tossing her over a fence! I say almost unbelievable, but since Casey was out partying for a month without mentioning to her friends or anyone "Caylee was stolen by the babysitter" weeks earlier, I'm finding it more and more believable. :furious:

beckaroozie
11-28-2008, 10:59 PM
Hmmmm. Not all smoke smells alike. I've smelled cigarette smoke and house fire smoke and they were definitely different. I wonder if Casey's clothing could have smelled even worse than cigarette smoke? We know the Anthonys don't want cigarette smoke in their house and they threw out stuffed toys people sent because they smelled like smoke (I'm assuming cig. smoke). I would assume the smoke odor from a burned body would be worse.

That is a good catch, beckaroozie.

Apparently Cindy's sniffer works overtime and on high alert.

It would be almost totally unbelievable Casey could chloroform the child, break her neck, and then burn her, maybe after tossing her over a fence! I say almost unbelievable, but since Casey was out partying for a month without mentioning to her friends or anyone "Caylee was stolen by the babysitter" weeks earlier, I'm finding it more and more believable. :furious:


I thought she dragged her back to the woods behind the fenceline at the A's house and THEN burned her (or tried to).

magic-cat
11-29-2008, 02:24 AM
I just don't think she burned Caylee. An open flame, a huge fire, with a dead child in it would not be an easy thing to hide. Casey did not go far off I am sure, and she is not so stupid as to set her child on fire where the flames may be spotted and bring LE or the Fire Dept. even. She is DUMB, but not that dumb I don't think...

chesterp
11-29-2008, 07:30 AM
I just don't think she burned Caylee. An open flame, a huge fire, with a dead child in it would not be an easy thing to hide. Casey did not go far off I am sure, and she is not so stupid as to set her child on fire where the flames may be spotted and bring LE or the Fire Dept. even. She is DUMB, but not that dumb I don't think...

Hopefully at trial we will learn the details but I can not help lean towards a burning of something since my dream before the bond hearing began with David Koresh,David Koresh,David Koresh.

Ocean Lover
11-29-2008, 10:17 AM
HAPPY THANKSGIVING FELLOW SLEUTHS. I hope each of you has much to be thankful for this year. Let's all say a prayer today for the A's that their suffering ends soon, that little Caylee is found soon, and that God can reach Casey's heart and mind giving her the ability to speak the truth.

Love, Kait I will continue to say a prayer for little Caylee every night. This is O/T but I have to think that God took this precious child for a reason and she will be found when the time is right.
I love this thread and haven't been able to get on since Wed. afternoon. I have a question and if someone can answer it or tell me the post to read it I would appreciate it. Do we have an idea if KC will be convicted even if this little baby is not found? I'm so worried about this. Whenever I see that video of Caylee singing and talking to her papa I get tears in my eyes as my granddaughter calls my husband papa too.

cocoamom
11-29-2008, 10:48 AM
I thought CA washed the clothes that were in the car because "they smelled like the car"?

Just my opinion, but I doubt a fire with a body in June in FL would not be noticed or reported. A body takes a very long time to burn and I am sure smells awful. We had a terrible fire season this year in FL. We burn yard trash on our property and did so in June. Fire trucks appeared within minutes...

I do think it's possible though that she may have burned clothing, a bag or duffel, gloves, doll's dress, whatever. That would make a very small fire and be done quickly...

cocoamom
11-29-2008, 10:50 AM
Hopefully at trial we will learn the details but I can not help lean towards a burning of something since my dream before the bond hearing began with David Koresh,David Koresh,David Koresh.

Wasn't David Koresh a king of mind games? Kept people prisoner? Lied? Fought authority? Maybe it could have been any of these things indicated in your dream?:confused:

zoey
11-29-2008, 10:53 AM
just a side note on the burning factor---history chanel did a thing on death yesterday (modern marvels) it takes quite a bit of heat and time to burn a body....in India I think they said to burn someone took like 600 lbs of wood...don't think burning was the option here---think it was the price of gas....and possibly to remove odor....

jmo

chesterp
11-29-2008, 10:55 AM
Wasn't David Koresh a king of mind games? Kept people prisoner? Lied? Fought authority? Maybe it could have been any of these things indicated in your dream?:confused:

He was all of those, however, my dream is about FIRE.

beckaroozie
11-29-2008, 12:02 PM
just a side note on the burning factor---history chanel did a thing on death yesterday (modern marvels) it takes quite a bit of heat and time to burn a body....in India I think they said to burn someone took like 600 lbs of wood...don't think burning was the option here---think it was the price of gas....and possibly to remove odor....

jmo

Did they mention the use of an accelerant like gasoline? And if it affected the amount of wood one would need? I don't think KC thought ahead as to how much wood or gas she'd need, and I think she was surprised that it didn't do the trick the first or second time she tried to do the deed...thus all the gasoline. I think I've heard that gasoline produces a higher temp fire...which would be the key, not the amount of wood? JMHO

Tuba
11-29-2008, 12:12 PM
Ocean Lover, this weekend we are going to begin work on the Astro Crime Calendar. I seem to recall that some of the posts and charts included discussion of your question. One factor that gave me pause in July was the combination of Moon and Jupiter in Libra in the victim's chart. I never wrote about that. Other astrologers will have given that the fish eye too. Hmm. The mother is fortunate in legal matters. Hmmm. If Caylee had lived, it would have celebrated the luck of adoption by her grandparents.

Returning to KC's own planets, the line up from Black Friday continues. Jupiter in Capricorn joined the pile up as he is positioned at the solstice point of her Saturn and Mars and the rest in transit on her Saturn. Since KC consistently declines to appear, matters judicial, Jupiter, are weighing upon her already dashed spirits. Every notice, every remark by her att'y, every news item regarding the pre-trial hearing where she will appear, runs it home. Mars on Saturn, doing a slow broil, vengeful, threatened, frustrated by her self-created obstacles, defeated by the drag of confinement and what she sees as abuse by the system and her relatives and friends.

There is continuing complaint by the defense about the omissions & delays in discovery transfer shown in the pre-trial chart for December 11. The defense sees the prosecution as willful and stubborn and arbitrary with discovery items and the prosecution sees defense as stinting whiners and cavilers. Saturn in H. 8 vs. Uranus in H. 2. The future (dates past the pre-trial) looks nebulous. Neptune sits on that cusp at a critical degree, the cusp of the future itself announces crisis. And there is still an unsettled matter of homicide, H. 8, also in crisis.

There is initial civility but only for the sake of legal protocol, tradition and ritual, Capricorn. The day belongs to Jupiter but it is the hour of an overheated Sun whose aspects are enough to generate sun spots.

Soulscape
11-29-2008, 03:38 PM
Respectfully snipped & bolded by me:

Ocean Lover, this weekend we are going to begin work on the Astro Crime Calendar. I seem to recall that some of the posts and charts included discussion of your question. One factor that gave me pause in July was the combination of Moon and Jupiter in Libra in the victim's chart. I never wrote about that. Other astrologers will have given that the fish eye too. Hmm. The mother is fortunate in legal matters. Hmmm. If Caylee had lived, it would have celebrated the luck of adoption by her grandparents.



I noted on one of the previous Astrology threads, KC's Solar Arc Jupiter has been & continues to conjunct her natal Sun. Jupiter is the protection angel and his protection will continue into January 2009. I worried back then & continue to worry no matter how bad the transits, SA Jupiter will buffer & protect KC from the worst....

As Tuba noted above, there are severe afflictions to KC's planets from the current & upcoming transits. I guess the question is, will SA Jupiter be strong enough to shield her from the onslaught?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-29-2008, 04:12 PM
TUBA, please take a look at yout PM 'IN' box. Our Moderator messages are bouncing back. I've copied and pasted into an ongoing Word document, the past messages I need to save as references to recources. This way, my IN box is always accessible. If you have a moment, please also check your personal email for today's updates and status.

The reason my messages are full has to do with stuff from 2007. Right now I am filling in our new calendar. Take a look. I have finished my part of Thread 4.

FifthEssence
11-29-2008, 04:22 PM
The reason my messages are full has to do with stuff from 2007. Right now I am filling in our new calendar. Take a look. I have finished my part of Thread 4.

Tuba, so glad you're jumping on this Calendar and already adding data. You will note I have gone in to the 28th &29th entries you made and ADDED the actual SPECIFIC link to the specific post you refer to so anyone can access the data immediately without thumbing thru threads.

I am so happy this is working out!
Thank you Thank you Thank you
:blowkiss:

Soulscape
11-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Just posted my first entry on the Astro Crime Calendar, :woohoo:

This is June 16, 2008, 12:50 pm --- LAST SEEN BY GRANDPA GEORGE BIWHEEL, discussed on Astro Thread #4, post #14.

FifthEssence, if you get a chance, please check to make sure I did it correctly!!

I will try to get some more entries posted later today & tomorrow.

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-29-2008, 04:56 PM
Just posted my first entry on the Astro Crime Calendar, :woohoo:

This is June 16, 2008, 12:50 pm --- LAST SEEN BY GRANDPA GEORGE BIWHEEL, discussed on Astro Thread #4, post #14.

FifthEssence, if you get a chance, please check to make sure I did it correctly!!

I will try to get some more entries posted later today & tomorrow.

Thanks,
Soulscape

PURRRRrrrrFECT!
Your brief commentary as to what the subject of data is and the actual solo post link is all that is necessary. It says it all. You're right on the ball!

Thank you SOULSCAPE for your generous contributions :clap:to this intriguing thread.

cuppy199
11-29-2008, 05:09 PM
just a side note on the burning factor---history chanel did a thing on death yesterday (modern marvels) it takes quite a bit of heat and time to burn a body....in India I think they said to burn someone took like 600 lbs of wood...don't think burning was the option here---think it was the price of gas....and possibly to remove odor....

jmo

Yes it does. KC couldn't make the fire temperature high enough.Which would leave evidence of bone fractures.I personally dont think KC burned the body for the fact that if she did the smell would be way to over welming.People would smell it for miles.

Zoe Bogart
11-29-2008, 09:09 PM
Did they [History Channel program] mention the use of an accelerant like gasoline? And if it affected the amount of wood one would need? I don't think KC thought ahead as to how much wood or gas she'd need, and I think she was surprised that it didn't do the trick the first or second time she tried to do the deed...thus all the gasoline. I think I've heard that gasoline produces a higher temp fire...which would be the key, not the amount of wood? JMHO

You are correct about gasoline as an accelerant. It does produce hotter fires at a swift rate (airplanes crashing into WTC, for example) but I'm not sure if such a small swift fire on a body would disintegrate bones like in a crematorium or in the WTC incident. Nevertheless, she may have tried to burn something. Although, since Casey wasn't working, stealing full gas cans seems a practical way to fill her car with gas.

Also, people have often wondered why she ditched her stinky car at Amscot, a highly trafficked corner. Could it actually be because she ran out of gas? Not just because the car stunk and was attracting attention? Although her story is that some people (who never came forward) helped her push her car into the parking spot, she could have very easily guided it there, with no help, by simply not braking until she got the car where she wanted it (unless the area is on an incline). Since she's run out of gas before, she would know how her car reacted just before going dead (a slight bucking sensation). It's possible she felt those pauses, and turned into the Amscot parking lot, and let the car glide into the slot next to the dumpster. A car's wheels don't stop dead immediately when there is no more gas, just the engine stops. The wheels will keep rolling for a distance. Now if a clutch breaks as one is stepping on it, the car will stop dead immediately, no gliding anywhere.

Have we done charts to see if there really could have been people assisting her when she ran out of gas near Amscot? Even though no one has come forward, it doesn't mean it wasn't true (a first!). They could have been visitors to the area who haven't paid much attention to the case.


Where do we find the new astrological timelime calendar? Is there a link? I've searched all over and don't see it (no surprise there). :confused:

Soulscape
11-29-2008, 09:53 PM
Where do we find the new astrological timelime calendar? Is there a link? I've searched all over and don't see it (no surprise there). :confused:

FifthEssence showed me how to do this, so I'll share!!

Go to the top of any WS page where it says USER CP | FAQ | MEMBER LIST | CALENDAR | (etc) and click on CALENDAR.

Then scroll down to bottom of page to CALENDAR JUMP and jump to ASTRO CRIME CALENDAR!! It's that easy!!!

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-29-2008, 10:03 PM
If there were not two men who assisted her, it was an unnecessary, gratuitous clanger. How like Casey. Of course, we do know that the incident was "just circumstantial". That is maybe one of her strange usages. Or it could be that she was arranging a display that included the car, evidence that she was confident would mislead. In that case, her subconscious gave her away. Ceres and the Sun were conjunct when she left the car at Amscot.

I have never forgotten the words of Sandra Marshall, NG's expert. She said that KC was contact dependent and couldn't see around the corner, couldn't plan margins on a page. Completely hooked into the moment, caught up in the man opposite her. Strikes me as all too true & explains why she doesn't foresee the traps her lies set for her, moments away.

KAITLAND
11-29-2008, 11:19 PM
So excited about the calendar! Can't wait to have time to explore (working all weekend & monday...). Can we post more than just the charts on the calendar? - such as can we put the posts analyzing them on there too??

Zoe Bogart
11-29-2008, 11:20 PM
Thanks, Soulscape. I didn't think to look under "Calendar". Actually, I didn't think to look on that row where "Calendar" is located. Last time I looked at the timeline calendar was ages ago. Thanks for the assist. I found it following your instructions. :)

Thanks, Tuba, for the insight into Casey's mindset and Amscot. It's perfectly obvious she doesn't think past the boyfriend. Remember her first telephone call: I want Tony's phone number, and nothing else mattered, not even an inquiry about the search for her daughter.

I've found something of interest but I'm told I can't post the link to that site (it's a no-no for some reason), so what I'll do is try to put it into my own words:

The person said he thinks he knows two assumed locations where Casey killed or disposed of poor little Caylee. He says we need to look at the cell pings and check the ones that were around 4 AM (he doesn't give a date). He thinks she brought Caylee there, burned and buried her. I'm assuming she was already dead. He mentions a water treatment plant near those locations and cleaning supplies were found there at one time, but no one thought anything of it.

On second read, I don't see a reference to "4 AM", just cell phone pings. He doesn't think she's in Blanchard Park.

Does anyone know anything about water treatment plants in Orlando? Would they (or it) be located anywhere near ESE or WNW from the Anthonys' house?

Salem
11-29-2008, 11:38 PM
If there were not two men who assisted her, it was an unnecessary, gratuitous clanger. How like Casey. Of course, we do know that the incident was "just circumstantial". That is maybe one of her strange usages. Or it could be that she was arranging a display that included the car, evidence that she was confident would mislead. In that case, her subconscious gave her away. Ceres and the Sun were conjunct when she left the car at Amscot.

I have never forgotten the words of Sandra Marshall, NG's expert. She said that KC was contact dependent and couldn't see around the corner, couldn't plan margins on a page. Completely hooked into the moment, caught up in the man opposite her. Strikes me as all too true & explains why she doesn't foresee the traps her lies set for her, moments away.

I agree KC is short-sighted, but apparently only in some areas. Based on the March 16, 17, 2008 computer searches, I would venture to guess that KC has been planning something diabolical for sometime. So, I guess, while KC might plan, she fails to consider the fall out from her plans? Does that make sense?

Has a chart been done for the computer searches? Also, is there a way to try to add insight to the "shovel" search/borrowing? Or has it been previously addressed?

O/T - Soulscape has also been working hard in the handwriting analysis thread. Very interesting stuff over there if you have time to take a cruise through the thread.

How about the WW guy? Any thoughts on him? He sure was taken with KC........

Salem

magic-cat
11-30-2008, 12:09 AM
Ok. Now we have it in black and white in the new document dump that Casey had accused both George and Lee of unwanted sexual advances. This is what she TOLD people. She told them that her dad had "abused" her and that Lee had attempted to have sex with her...Now that we know that she is the originator of these rumors, is it possible to look at this aspect again to discover WHY she would tell someone this when it was not true?

Tuba
11-30-2008, 01:26 AM
The way KC strikes me...devoid of ability to plan but plenty of fantasy running non stop in her head. I think she wanted to do this and her p.c. searches reveal the desire but there's many a slip 'tween the cup and the lip. Wanting and planning being two different exercises. Her wish to go to Calif., her wish to take over her parents' home and move Amy in or not according to whim, her wish to shop for AL's new apt., her desire to marry him, her goal of becoming a professional photographer. Even her desires are mutually exclusive and contradictory. I attribute much of this short circuiting to her Mercury to Mars Uranus square with nothing to balance or support another thought process. The tire trouble, very severe, the will to drive but with insufficient fuel in the tank. She doesn't think anything through.

Yes, I did read the thread on graphology--that's what made me say that she can't plan margins on a pc. of writing paper. I wasn't sure though, whether the analyst thought she was a person who wanted solitude in great stretches or a person who wanted always to be out amongst 'em. What did you take from that?

Tuba
11-30-2008, 01:42 AM
Ok. Now we have it in black and white in the new document dump that Casey had accused both George and Lee of unwanted sexual advances. This is what she TOLD people. She told them that her dad had "abused" her and that Lee had attempted to have sex with her...Now that we know that she is the originator of these rumors, is it possible to look at this aspect again to discover WHY she would tell someone this when it was not true?

Maybe because any time her lips are moving, she's lying. None of her lies make sense to me. None. She told Jesse he was the father of her baby. And so easily disproved. Whatever is expedient at the instant.

It was reported on NG that George went at her when she was first released on bond. That is the sort of abuse I think of. But I'm sure she gave as good as she got. There are so many recognised forms of abuse: emotional, mental, verbal, violent and also sexual. I wouldn't seize on that in considering her relationship with her father. But there may be no violence from him either. She lies about anything & everything. Her mother is impressed by the detail of it! As though that were a mark of truth.

magic-cat
11-30-2008, 03:06 AM
Maybe because any time her lips are moving, she's lying. None of her lies make sense to me. None. She told Jesse he was the father of her baby. And so easily disproved. Whatever is expedient at the instant.

It was reported on NG that George went at her when she was first released on bond. That is the sort of abuse I think of. But I'm sure she gave as good as she got. There are so many recognised forms of abuse: emotional, mental, verbal, violent and also sexual. I wouldn't seize on that in considering her relationship with her father. But there may be no violence from him either. She lies about anything & everything. Her mother is impressed by the detail of it! As though that were a mark of truth.

And yet her mother did NOT believe this thing when Casey told it to her as a middle school student about her brother. I know this girl is the professor of Liars 101, but in middle school is a rather young age to have made such accusations and NOT to have had them looked into. Could it have been that she was perhaps jealous of the attentions that her father gave to her brother and wanted to do harm to that relationship in any way that she could? I am just trying to get the mindset that would lead a young girl to make such an accusation of her brother when it was not true...:waitasec:

maconrich
11-30-2008, 03:19 AM
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(snip) I know this girl is the professor of Liars 101, but in middle school is a rather young age to have made such accusations and NOT to have had them looked into. (snip)
It still goes back to the fact that this was a story she told JG. At this point there's nothing to indicate that she told CA this when she was in middle school (or ever). There's nothing to confirm anything. It's just something else that came out of her mouth...

Sorry for going O/T

FifthEssence
11-30-2008, 03:53 AM
Maybe because any time her lips are moving, she's lying. None of her lies make sense to me. None. She told Jesse he was the father of her baby. And so easily disproved. Whatever is expedient at the instant.
It was reported on NG that George went at her when she was first released on bond. That is the sort of abuse I think of. But I'm sure she gave as good as she got. There are so many recognised forms of abuse: emotional, mental, verbal, violent and also sexual. I wouldn't seize on that in considering her relationship with her father. But there may be no violence from him either. She lies about anything & everything. Her mother is impressed by the detail of it! As though that were a mark of truth.


My goodness, a Shrink could make a lifetime career with KC & CA as his only patients.

RR0004
11-30-2008, 03:58 AM
aksleuth...I don't think that's an ok site to post...just thought you should know.

Zoe Bogart
11-30-2008, 05:43 AM
aksleuth...I don't think that's an ok site to post...just thought you should know.

Thanks for the info. I went back and read the article more carefully and can see why that site wouldn't be allowed here. Oops!

I rewrote the part I was interested in. No link needed, I hope. :confused:


About the sexual abuse accusations, I'm thinking she may have told this to her friends or boyfriend when there was a lull in conversation. She seems to make up stories spontaneously, so maybe that's how it cropped up. Or, the boyfriend could have said, "You and your dad don't seem very close" and PRESTO, a new story pops out of Casey's mouth. "Well, don't tell anyone, but when I was 12, my dad starting visiting me in my bed at night......." or whatever. Boyfriend gets all sympathetic, Casey gets attention. "Oh, and my brother tried it, too, but I pushed him away." Oh my! Poor girl. It's no wonder she and her dad don't get along! She's had a terrible life. Boyfriend gives her extra attention, catering to her every whim. blah, blah, blah

Soulscape
11-30-2008, 10:20 AM
Yes, I did read the thread on graphology--that's what made me say that she can't plan margins on a pc. of writing paper. I wasn't sure though, whether the analyst thought she was a person who wanted solitude in great stretches or a person who wanted always to be out amongst 'em. What did you take from that?

<Respectfully snipped>

This is a little O/T, but I think we see parallels in the Astrology. KC's margins tend to be remarkably narrow except for the right margin which is very uneven. The narrow margins show "stinginess or acquisitiveness, lack of consideration and reserve," and the uneven right margin shows "impulsive moods; acts and reactions unreliable." (from Handwriting Analysis, Karen Amend & Mary S. Ruiz)

The astrology confirms.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
11-30-2008, 11:19 AM
So excited about the calendar! Can't wait to have time to explore (working all weekend & monday...). Can we post more than just the charts on the calendar? - such as can we put the posts analyzing them on there too??

YES! Kait, please enter your posts analyzing particular charts. This is MOO, but I think it makes sense to place them on the date of the event chart being discussed, that way we have all relevant posts pertaining to a particular event on the calendar date for that event --- what do you think?


Thanks,
Soulscape

Salem
11-30-2008, 01:29 PM
<Respectfully snipped>

This is a little O/T, but I think we see parallels in the Astrology. KC's margins tend to be remarkably narrow except for the right margin which is very uneven. The narrow margins show "stinginess or acquisitiveness, lack of consideration and reserve," and the uneven right margin shows "impulsive moods; acts and reactions unreliable." (from Handwriting Analysis, Karen Amend & Mary S. Ruiz)

The astrology confirms.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I agree that the astrology confirms these characteristics. I did not totally agree with what the graphologist said, but in her analysis there is a contradiction about KC being very social and yet needing personal space. I think this (and I could be wrong) directly correlates with what Tuba was saying about KC's Mercury and Uranus aspects keeping her unbalanced. (I think I interpreted that right.) And it shows in KC's behavior patterns. For a 2 year period, KC lied about going to work and left her home to go where? Nobody seems to know. I think Cocoamom's theory about the church is very plausible. KC takes Caylee to the park/church to hang out until everyone else goes to work and then she goes back home and hangs out. However, for a period of time GA was not working, so where was KC then? Obviously (maybe) KC was somewhat comfortable hanging out with Caylee on their own somewhere (personal space). She couldn't have been in the malls all that time, could she? Or with friends? I don't think so. In a two year period, there had to be some days where it was just her and Caylee. But added to that, I would think that KC was on her phone while Caylee played (social contact). It would be interesting to get phone records for an 8 to 10 month period and especially for a time when GA was not working and spent most of his time at home. Where were KC and Caylee then?

Salem

Salem
11-30-2008, 01:31 PM
It still goes back to the fact that this was a story she told JG. At this point there's nothing to indicate that she told CA this when she was in middle school (or ever). There's nothing to confirm anything. It's just something else that came out of her mouth...

Sorry for going O/T

Still O/T - KC has demonstrated a need to be "rescued" by her boyfriends. Also, if she was arguing or fighting with the boyfriend and needed reassurance that they were not about to dump her, she may have pulled this out of her hat so they would feel sorry for her and give her more attention as aksleuth posted above. I think aksleuth nailed KC's frame of mind in this area.

Salem

zoey
11-30-2008, 04:10 PM
Still O/T - KC has demonstrated a need to be "rescued" by her boyfriends. Also, if she was arguing or fighting with the boyfriend and needed reassurance that they were not about to dump her, she may have pulled this out of her hat so they would feel sorry for her and give her more attention as aksleuth posted above. I think aksleuth nailed KC's frame of mind in this area.

Salem

is there any info regarding this confessions to perhaps any female???? or was it just something to pull out for males?

have to agree with all of the above...found this site fascinating although many many times way above me---(get so very confused at times)
thanks for everything from everyone...I just look to resolution...I doubt anything like admission of guilt from any A's....(if so believeable??? :confused:)

jmo

housemouse
11-30-2008, 04:24 PM
I have posted in the Jury Room, looking ahead to the Saturn/Uranus opposition being triggered by the planets moving through Sagittarius.

These trigger both the USA Mars, and Obama's natal Mars. Will be interesting to see what happens, and I would appreciate input on that thread!

Tuba
11-30-2008, 05:44 PM
Going over the various charts for the calendar, I noticed a 21° Aries Moon in Soulscape's chart for the phone call from KC on 27 June (to AH) "I got rid of the smell." This is the identical Moon to that of the indictment. The evidence from the grand jury presentation and that Amscot moment are thus powerfully connected. Had the prisoner just attempted to sanitize the trunk of tell tale leavings from her crime? Had she just left the scene of disposal? Long ago I remember a report on an atomizer such as room deodorant used on the car. I want to know her route to Amscot. We now know that had been a busy morning in the hours between 7 a.m. and 11:34 a.m. AL was sure the bags of food had come from Hopespring. There is more information to mine from this neutral place, Amscot.

Zoe Bogart
11-30-2008, 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by KAITLAND
So excited about the calendar! Can't wait to have time to explore (working all weekend & monday...). Can we post more than just the charts on the calendar? - such as can we put the posts analyzing them on there too??


YES! Kait, please enter your posts analyzing particular charts. This is MOO, but I think it makes sense to place them on the date of the event chart being discussed, that way we have all relevant posts pertaining to a particular event on the calendar date for that event --- what do you think?


I think posting the explanations along with the charts are an excellent way to use the calendar. It would prevent the need to follow too many links to get the necessary information.

It would also prevent people like me from getting lost. :)


Soulscape, I've sent you a PM and posted a link to a sample of Casey's unlined handwriting in the Handwriting thread.

Tuba
11-30-2008, 06:01 PM
In the same chart, the Part of Death is given as 1° Virgo and that again is a salient degree that recurs and recurs from the February 20 eclipse. IF ONLY we could find out where the defendant was on that night or on that weekend. In looking for the remains, they appear in charts as at the same location. I was able to uncover a Valentine's party on the holiday and the beginning of the relationship with RM that month but nothing for the weekend of February 20. By "in the same chart", I mean Soulscape's chart for June 27 cell call to AH.

CourtsInSession
11-30-2008, 06:12 PM
Thanks, Soulscape. I didn't think to look under "Calendar". Actually, I didn't think to look on that row where "Calendar" is located. Last time I looked at the timeline calendar was ages ago. Thanks for the assist. I found it following your instructions. :)

Thanks, Tuba, for the insight into Casey's mindset and Amscot. It's perfectly obvious she doesn't think past the boyfriend. Remember her first telephone call: I want Tony's phone number, and nothing else mattered, not even an inquiry about the search for her daughter.

I've found something of interest but I'm told I can't post the link to that site (it's a no-no for some reason), so what I'll do is try to put it into my own words:

The person said he thinks he knows two assumed locations where Casey killed or disposed of poor little Caylee. He says we need to look at the cell pings and check the ones that were around 4 AM (he doesn't give a date). He thinks she brought Caylee there, burned and buried her. I'm assuming she was already dead. He mentions a water treatment plant near those locations and cleaning supplies were found there at one time, but no one thought anything of it.

On second read, I don't see a reference to "4 AM", just cell phone pings. He doesn't think she's in Blanchard Park.

Does anyone know anything about water treatment plants in Orlando? Would they (or it) be located anywhere near ESE or WNW from the Anthonys' house?

I too read the same article. I have been trying, since last night, to figure out how to bring this info to WS. Does anyone know where the water treatment plant is in Orlando? If so, has the location of all of Casey's phone pings been located yet?

Zoe Bogart
11-30-2008, 06:17 PM
Snipped a bit:
For a 2 year period, KC lied about going to work and left her home to go where? Nobody seems to know. I think Cocoamom's theory about the church is very plausible. KC takes Caylee to the park/church to hang out until everyone else goes to work and then she goes back home and hangs out. However, for a period of time GA was not working, so where was KC then? Obviously (maybe) KC was somewhat comfortable hanging out with Caylee on their own somewhere (personal space). She couldn't have been in the malls all that time, could she? Or with friends? I don't think so. In a two year period, there had to be some days where it was just her and Caylee. But added to that, I would think that KC was on her phone while Caylee played (social contact). It would be interesting to get phone records for an 8 to 10 month period and especially for a time when GA was not working and spent most of his time at home. Where were KC and Caylee then?


Salem, I agree her whereabouts and actions during those two years of non-working are important, especially in her relationship with Caylee and her overall personality. I do hope LE and the prosecution examine the cell phone records more closely.

Again, as with most things surrounding Casey, why haven't people come forward to say they saw her hanging out during those two years. Surely she and Caylee weren't invisible.

It appears George didn't work on a regular basis, according to various records, including family e-mails. So that leaves the question, as always, what was Casey doing when she should have been working, and where was Caylee during those times?

I'm thinking little Caylee could have assumed "going to the nanny's" was actually leaving the house and going with Casey somewhere everyday, that's why when George would ask if she had fun with Nanny, it didn't make sense to the little girl.

Man, talk about a double life! Would there be indications in a chart for one who actually does lead a deceptive double life? Maybe someone with Mercury, Neptune, Gemini, Pisces or other mutables stategically placed in the charts??? :waitasec: I don't know, I'm just guessing. Spies lead a double life in general, but I wouldn't place Casey in their category.

Mysticj
11-30-2008, 06:19 PM
http://maps.live.com/localsearch/default.aspx?what=water+treatment+plants&where=Orlando%2c+Florida&s_cid=ansPhBkYp01&mkt=en-us&ac=false

beckaroozie
11-30-2008, 06:25 PM
In the same chart, the Part of Death is given as 1° Virgo and that again is a salient degree that recurs and recurs from the February 20 eclipse. IF ONLY we could find out where the defendant was on that night or on that weekend. In looking for the remains, they appear in charts as at the same location. I was able to uncover a Valentine's party on the holiday and the beginning of the relationship with RM that month but nothing for the weekend of February 20. By "in the same chart", I mean Soulscape's chart for June 27 cell call to AH.

IF ONLY appears to have been a DBC 'Hot Body' contest at Fusian on 2/20/08? Is that the day you were wondering about Tuba? :)

See here:
http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FCaylee%2BAnthony%2Farticles%2F33%2FB ombshell%2BPictures%2BShow%2BCasey%2BPartying%2BWh ile&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex. cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewPicture%26friendID%3D7 7846630%26albumId%3D2060200

The site says that according to the Fusian MySpace site, the photos were actually taken on Feb. 20??
Here's the article:

Much has been said today especially on Fox about pictures given to them showing a very happy Casey Anthony partying at a local night club. The pictures were said to have been taken in late June while her 2 year old daughter Caylee was missing. But were they taken then? If you go to the nightclub's MySpace page and look at the pictures, they were actually taken in February. Is this a mistake or another example of jumping the gun? I'm just saying....

FUSIAN 2/20/08 BedRoc/DBC *Hot Body Contest*

Hmmm..wonder if her texts later about the Hot Body Contest were for ANOTHER one?? I do remember her saying somewhere in a text that they had one before and it was a RIOT.

Zoe Bogart
11-30-2008, 06:26 PM
http://maps.live.com/localsearch/default.aspx?what=water+treatment+plants&where=Orlando%2c+Florida&s_cid=ansPhBkYp01&mkt=en-us&ac=false



Thanks for the link to the water treatment plants, Mystic. I'm checking them out right now.

I don't know. They all seem a bit far out to me. The one in Maitland is quite a distance north of the 408. The one on Hackney Road is closer to the 408 but much farther west than the one in Maitland and from Casey's usual haunts. It's near Lake Apopka.

Maybe I'll try to contact that guy and ask him which plant he's referring to, although he may not tell me. Thanks again, Mystic.

More info added:

The author says he'll be posting more information on the area this week. He also says Casey's phone pings show her going back to the area at least once more when she was out on bail. Since she was being monitored, does this mean someone else could have been assisting her? As far as I know, she never left the house alone, always with someone: Lee, Cindy, Baez, a bodyguard. Right? Do we see any of this in the charts?

Tuba
11-30-2008, 06:56 PM
Beck, you have made a great find! Now we have a puzzle to undo. Supposedly, the defendant was unfamiliar with Fusian until she hooked up with AL. If that is untrue, a lot of people were deceived, misled because they gave such reports. If she was a player at Fusian in February, it turns a lot of pictures of her life in the spring upside down. Those are definitely regulars at Fusian in the photos. Thank you immensely for your help!

beckaroozie
11-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Beck, you have made a great find! Now we have a puzzle to undo. Supposedly, the defendant was unfamiliar with Fusian until she hooked up with AL. If that is untrue, a lot of people were deceived, misled because they gave such reports. If she was a player at Fusian in February, it turns a lot of pictures of her life in the spring upside down. Those are definitely regulars at Fusian in the photos. Thank you immensely for your help!

Glad to help!! Thank YOU for all the wonderful astro info!

Personally, I thought it was strange that she had knee high black boots on in June from the get go. LOL That would fit with Feb, but not June. I was thinking "Call the Fashion Police too." <<----I sound like Elle from Legally Blonde ROFL

On a different note...Another oddity I can't wrap my mind around is that if she was 'abused', would she REALLY have let her daughter sleep in the bed with her at RMs and other men's houses? I have someone in the family that was abused and they won't even let their young daughter sit on a man's lap, let alone leave her with them. Not that I believe her anyway.

Lovejac
11-30-2008, 07:33 PM
beckaroozie, there was a discussion about the actually dates of those pics being in June, days after Caylee was gone.:confused:

I am trying to find the thread on this now. I hope I am wrong because I have been trying to find this answer for Tuba for about a month!:eek:

I'll be right back........wish me luck, its scarey in those docs!

IF ONLY appears to have been a DBC 'Hot Body' contest at Fusian on 2/20/08? Is that the day you were wondering about Tuba? :)

See here:
http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FCaylee%2BAnthony%2Farticles%2F33%2FB ombshell%2BPictures%2BShow%2BCasey%2BPartying%2BWh ile&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex. cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewPicture%26friendID%3D7 7846630%26albumId%3D2060200

The site says that according to the Fusian MySpace site, the photos were actually taken on Feb. 20??
Here's the article:

Much has been said today especially on Fox about pictures given to them showing a very happy Casey Anthony partying at a local night club. The pictures were said to have been taken in late June while her 2 year old daughter Caylee was missing. But were they taken then? If you go to the nightclub's MySpace page and look at the pictures, they were actually taken in February. Is this a mistake or another example of jumping the gun? I'm just saying....

FUSIAN 2/20/08 BedRoc/DBC *Hot Body Contest*

Hmmm..wonder if her texts later about the Hot Body Contest were for ANOTHER one?? I do remember her saying somewhere in a text that they had one before and it was a RIOT.

beckaroozie
11-30-2008, 07:37 PM
beckaroozie, there was a discussion about the actually dates of those pics being in June, days after Caylee was gone.:confused:

I am trying to find the thread on this now. I hope I am wrong because I have been trying to find this answer for Tuba for about a month!:eek:

I'll be right back........wish me luck, its scarey in those docs!

Thanks lov -- while you're in that scary place, keep an eye out for her text where she tells someone 'yeah they had one a few months ago and it was a lot of fun' or something like that. She was announcing the new 'hot body' contest, and mentioned that.

Lovejac
11-30-2008, 07:37 PM
Okay, I found it. Sadly, these pics were not taken Feb 20, 2008. See below:

Originally Posted by angelmom
Interesting.

So the blue dress pics are from before Caylee was missing. I think they should stop showing those. I wonder when the other pics are from (when Casey was supposed to be drinking ice water and stone cold sober.)

Also, I wonder if George and Cindy were watching Caylee on May 23. If not, who was?

The part that is going to hurt is the fact that Casey acted perfectly normal and friendly. She never even mentioned having a daughter. But when asked, she discussed Caylee, including her upcoming birthday, without a twinge of emotion.

It will be a hard sell to a jury that Casey was grieving a horrific accident or a hostage situation but could pull that off.

You need to look at the document pdf file CD of photos at Fusion
http://flawebhosting.net/docdump110608/cdphotos.pdf

The black dress was worn on June 6th and June 13th and the blue dress on June 20th according to the statement by the person who took the photos.

gardenhart
11-30-2008, 07:40 PM
IF ONLY appears to have been a DBC 'Hot Body' contest at Fusian on 2/20/08? Is that the day you were wondering about Tuba? :)

See here:
http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FCaylee%2BAnthony%2Farticles%2F33%2FB ombshell%2BPictures%2BShow%2BCasey%2BPartying%2BWh ile&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex. cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewPicture%26friendID%3D7 7846630%26albumId%3D2060200

The site says that according to the Fusian MySpace site, the photos were actually taken on Feb. 20??
Here's the article:

Much has been said today especially on Fox about pictures given to them showing a very happy Casey Anthony partying at a local night club. The pictures were said to have been taken in late June while her 2 year old daughter Caylee was missing. But were they taken then? If you go to the nightclub's MySpace page and look at the pictures, they were actually taken in February. Is this a mistake or another example of jumping the gun? I'm just saying....

FUSIAN 2/20/08 BedRoc/DBC *Hot Body Contest*

Hmmm..wonder if her texts later about the Hot Body Contest were for ANOTHER one?? I do remember her saying somewhere in a text that they had one before and it was a RIOT.

The photographers who took those photos were on NG when they were first made public and they said they were taken in June of this year.

beckaroozie
11-30-2008, 08:20 PM
Okay, I found it. Sadly, these pics were not taken Feb 20, 2008. See below:

Originally Posted by angelmom
Interesting.

So the blue dress pics are from before Caylee was missing. I think they should stop showing those. I wonder when the other pics are from (when Casey was supposed to be drinking ice water and stone cold sober.)

Also, I wonder if George and Cindy were watching Caylee on May 23. If not, who was?

The part that is going to hurt is the fact that Casey acted perfectly normal and friendly. She never even mentioned having a daughter. But when asked, she discussed Caylee, including her upcoming birthday, without a twinge of emotion.

It will be a hard sell to a jury that Casey was grieving a horrific accident or a hostage situation but could pull that off.

You need to look at the document pdf file CD of photos at Fusion
http://flawebhosting.net/docdump110608/cdphotos.pdf

The black dress was worn on June 6th and June 13th and the blue dress on June 20th according to the statement by the person who took the photos.

Okey dokey -- I'm a photographer and have a Canon 30D camera (40D is what was used in the Fusian photos and a Nikon). I have had Canon cameras for years.

Here's my dilemma....the strange photos that don't have a date/camera info on them are shown as IMG_3875, IMG_3878, IMG_3943, in that range and were def taken with a Canon camera--Canon cameras auto number the photos in that format. The photos taken on 6/21 (supposedly) are in the IMG_5800 range (2000 photo click difference). Quite a few photos there for a week difference. Especially since they have another camera. JMO Does anyone else think it's strange that they don't have the full info on just those shots? Interestingly, one is with AL. Also, was the 'hot body contest' on Friday or Saturday night? 6/20 or 6/21? I also noticed that the African American guy she was taking a photo with in the 3800 range photos had a different sweat shirt (IN JUNE IN FLORIDA????) and hat on in that photo.

FifthEssence
11-30-2008, 08:53 PM
Okey dokey -- I'm a photographer and have a Canon 30D camera (40D is what was used in the Fusian photos and a Nikon). I have had Canon cameras for years.

Here's my dilemma....the strange photos that don't have a date/camera info on them are shown as IMG_3875, IMG_3878, IMG_3943, in that range and were def taken with a Canon camera--Canon cameras auto number the photos in that format. The photos taken on 6/21 (supposedly) are in the IMG_5800 range (2000 photo click difference). Quite a few photos there for a week difference. Especially since they have another camera. JMO Does anyone else think it's strange that they don't have the full info on just those shots? Interestingly, one is with AL. Also, was the 'hot body contest' on Friday or Saturday night? 6/20 or 6/21? I also noticed that the African American guy she was taking a photo with in the 3800 range photos had a different sweat shirt (IN JUNE IN FLORIDA????) and hat on in that photo.


Beckeroozie, no dilemma here. Most cameras generate photo numbers when you do the intital transfer. The 2 photographers that did shoot the pics go to other events and take photos so the difference in the numbers is not surprising at all. Also, the owner of the camera can reset frame numbers.
As for the guy in the sweater/sweatshirt, no big deal among young people. My goodness, I see college students wearing flip-flops when it's 40 degrees. To them, it's all about the 'look'.
IMO, none of these pics are from the February period Tuba is looking in to.

FifthEssence
11-30-2008, 08:55 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ANNOUNCEcalendar.jpg

Zoe Bogart
11-30-2008, 08:57 PM
Okey dokey -- I'm a photographer and have a Canon 30D camera (40D is what was used in the Fusian photos and a Nikon). I have had Canon cameras for years.

Here's my dilemma....the strange photos that don't have a date/camera info on them are shown as IMG_3875, IMG_3878, IMG_3943, in that range and were def taken with a Canon camera--Canon cameras auto number the photos in that format. The photos taken on 6/21 (supposedly) are in the IMG_5800 range (2000 photo click difference). Quite a few photos there for a week difference. Especially since they have another camera. JMO Does anyone else think it's strange that they don't have the full info on just those shots? Interestingly, one is with AL. Also, was the 'hot body contest' on Friday or Saturday night? 6/20 or 6/21? I also noticed that the African American guy she was taking a photo with in the 3800 range photos had a different sweat shirt (IN JUNE IN FLORIDA????) and hat on in that photo.

The guy who gave the CD to OCSO said someone else took pictures, too. Could they have been from his camera? Or could someone have been using two cameras? I know I always take at least two cameras on shoots. Also, more than one event could have been on the camera, therefore, the odd numbering.

How can we be sure the guy in the cap is really wearing a sweatshirt? (page 6) We can't see more than his head, his face, and a shoulder. He could have been wearing two shirts/T-shirts as people sometimes do. Casey certainly isn't dressed for cool weather in that pic. It's so difficult to say what's going on with these people. :mad:

SuziQ
11-30-2008, 09:00 PM
IIRC, the Fusion pics are in a document dump from way back when. There was computer forensics performed on them and their date was verified.

Soulscape
11-30-2008, 09:17 PM
Can anyone provide a link to a CLEAR copy of the computer searches KC did back in March 08? I downloaded a PDF that is impossible to decipher.

Thanks in advance,
Soulscape

Lovejac
11-30-2008, 09:22 PM
Tuba, I have been furiously searching for Feb 2008. This is everything I found re: Feb 2008

Amy and KC started hanging out in Feb 2008, when Amy returned from a cruise ship

KC began dating Ricardo in Feb 2008

Tony R (the LE that was fired) was hired on Feb 19, 2008

KC attended a party at the Oviedo house Feb 3, 2008

The Sawgrass apt that KC claims Zanny lived, had been vacant since Feb 2008

I KNOW that there has got to be more, I just can't find anything else.

FifthEssence
11-30-2008, 09:35 PM
Can anyone provide a link to a CLEAR copy of the computer searches KC did back in March 08? I downloaded a PDF that is impossible to decipher.

Thanks in advance,
Soulscape

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/InternetSEARCHESCASEYdid031708.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/InternetSEARCHESCASEYdid032108.jpg

FifthEssence
12-01-2008, 03:23 AM
In the same chart, the Part of Death is given as 1° Virgo and that again is a salient degree that recurs and recurs from the February 20 eclipse. IF ONLY we could find out where the defendant was on that night or on that weekend. In looking for the remains, they appear in charts as at the same location. I was able to uncover a Valentine's party on the holiday and the beginning of the relationship with RM that month but nothing for the weekend of February 20. By "in the same chart", I mean Soulscape's chart for June 27 cell call to AH.


Here's is a screen-shot from a listing of KC's cell calls starting 2/25/08. Calls previous to that date are not showing up in the .pdf records.http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf

Note the telephone numbers have been blacked out for all calls between 2/25-2/29. It seems those calls hold some importance in the eyes of LE.
Again in April, there's another blacked out block of telephone numbers..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/cellCALLS022508.jpg

aeli2468
12-01-2008, 07:05 AM
Here's is a screen-shot from a listing of KC's cell calls starting 2/25/08. Calls previous to that date are not showing up in the .pdf records.http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf

Note the telephone numbers have been blacked out for all calls between 2/25-2/29. It seems those calls hold some importance in the eyes of LE.
Again in April, there's another blacked out block of telephone numbers..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/cellCALLS022508.jpg

I think the blacked out numbers have more to do with ATT than LE. The blacked out numbers are from February. At the end of the file, you can see more numbers blacked out, but again, those correspond with a different month as well. These records are what was supeonaed (sp?) by LE for March 2008 from ATT, so I assumed that ATT blacked out the february and april numbers and then sent them to LE. I could be wrong, but that was my interpretation.

Zoe Bogart
12-01-2008, 07:20 AM
You might be right about the blacked out numbers. If LE requested records for March and May - July, AT&T could very well have blacked out the numbers not falling into the times requested. Somebody should tell LE to request February records - Websleuths need to know! :)

Soulscape
12-01-2008, 09:32 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/InternetSEARCHESCASEYdid031708.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/InternetSEARCHESCASEYdid032108.jpg


Thanks, Fifth! ---- can you track down the times she made these searches?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Spitfire4ever
12-01-2008, 11:09 AM
I went and got the times for her computer searches. Hi everyone!

Computer Search Times

March 17, 2008

Chloroform 13:43:41
Alcohol 13:54:26
Acetone 13:54:42
Peroxide 13:55:34

March 21, 2008

How to make chloroform 14:16:30
Self Defense 14:20:32
Household Weapons 14:21:58
&
14:25:33
Neck Breaking 14:26:24
Shovel 14:28:18

Soulscape
12-01-2008, 12:11 PM
I went and got the times for her computer searches. Hi everyone!

Computer Search Times

March 17, 2008

Chloroform 13:43:41
Alcohol 13:54:26
Acetone 13:54:42
Peroxide 13:55:34

March 21, 2008

How to make chloroform 14:16:30
Self Defense 14:20:32
Household Weapons 14:21:58
&
14:25:33
Neck Breaking 14:26:24
Shovel 14:28:18

Spitfire, you totally rock!!

I will see if I can get the Stars to speak to me about this and post later today.

Thanks,
Soulscape

savannahanna
12-01-2008, 12:45 PM
Spitfire, you totally rock!!

I will see if I can get the Stars to speak to me about this and post later today.

Thanks,
Soulscape

It has been mentioned on the list that KA was a fan of CSI TV show & I wondered if she was looking up further information on an episode that she had seen, either for her own knowledge to use or to further explain elements of these items in a possible episode at the time. Just a thought as I haven't looked up episode guide yet to see what was on during that time in February. I guess I am wondering if it really was significant for what followed later or she was just curious about an ep.:rolleyes:
Savannahadam

Soulscape
12-01-2008, 01:02 PM
It has been mentioned on the list that KA was a fan of CSI TV show & I wondered if she was looking up further information on an episode that she had seen, either for her own knowledge to use or to further explain elements of these items in a possible episode at the time. Just a thought as I haven't looked up episode guide yet to see what was on during that time in February. I guess I am wondering if it really was significant for what followed later or she was just curious about an ep.:rolleyes:
Savannahadam


Interesting thought, Savannah. Do you (or anyone else) have the March 2008 TV listings for Orlando FL and the CSI show synopses?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Spitfire4ever
12-01-2008, 01:26 PM
Spitfire, you totally rock!!

I will see if I can get the Stars to speak to me about this and post later today.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Thank you Soulscape but it is actually you (and the others doing these awesome charts) that rocks! Please let me know if I can be of anymore help!

Amil
12-01-2008, 01:45 PM
Hi Beck,

Actually The Tiffany Inn is no longer there. It was a C/W bar and was torn down a few years back. There is a gas/conv store on the other 3 corners of that intersection. I believe on of the gas/conv stores have closed. I did notice there is a Casey's Tower Service :eek: located at 6935 Old Cheney Hwy, 1 blk off of E colonial. The intersection of Forysth and Old Cheney. In the tower area, there are woods across where the homeless set up their camps.
There is a public storage site at Goldenrod and Old Cheney Hwy extremely close to those E.Colonial pings. It's catty-corner to the AMSCOT.

waltzingmatilda
12-01-2008, 02:10 PM
There was also mention of the 100th episode of One Tree Hill which includes a kidnapping by a crazed nanny. The original air date was 3-18-08 per IMDB. Here is a link to the plot synopsis but mods please remove if not ok to post. Thanks, matilda

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032104/synopsis

Spitfire4ever
12-01-2008, 02:11 PM
Interesting thought, Savannah. Do you (or anyone else) have the March 2008 TV listings for Orlando FL and the CSI show synopses?

Thanks,
Soulscape

These are listings in March for CSI Miami. Please note the plot summary for the March 31st (part one of two parts)
Series: 'CSI: Miami'
Episode Title: 'Permanent Vacation'
Episode Number: 608Original Airdate: November 12, 2007
Rerun: March 10, 2008
Synopsis: "When a family vacation turns deadly, the CSIs must find the killer before the survivors take justice into their own hands."

Series CSI Miami
Episode Title: 'Raising Caine'
Episode Number: 613
Original Airdate: January 14, 2008
Rerun: March 17, 2008
Synopsis: "Horatio's ex and Kyle's mother (guest star Elizabeth Berkley), resurfaces as a billionaire's widow who will do anything to get her son back."

Series: 'CSI: Miami'
Episode Title: 'You May Now Kill the Bride'
Episode Number: 614
Original Airdate: March 24, 2008
Rerun: August 11, 2008
Synopsis: "A wedding murder takes the team to a strip club."

CSI Miami episode (Ambush)
March 31, 2008
Plot Summary
[Part 1] Students Bart and Duncan go fishing with explosives in the Everglades and accidentally find the corps of Kathleen Newberry (the witness against Horatio's son Kyle bought-off by his mother Julia Winston) tied up in her drowned car. A fingerprint on the tape is from Julia's now suspiciously wealthy assistant Pamela Osborne. Someone switched the memory card with pictures on Calleigh's camera for use on laid-off CSI analyst Dan Cooper's website, exposing her allegedly systematic CSI bumbling. Delko and sergeant Frank Tripp trace Kathleen's stolen SunPass to trucker Ted Wallace. He says he found it in a toilet with traces of chloroform and the blood of ex-con Ron Saris, once Julia's fraud accomplice. After Horatio refuses Kyle's plea to let off Jula, she finds a legal way to get rid of her ex, all the way to Brazil. [Part 2] The Rio branch of the Mala Noche believed to enjoy executing Horatio, legally extradited on a false murder charge, in a manhunt, but he soon turns the tables and joins the hunt for Calleigh's kidnappers, who force her to clean what they planned to be her own murder scene, yet she manages to stay alive and give the team a crucial hidden clue.

I'll look for the CSI NY and CSI Las Vegas and see if there is anything interesting on those.
On another note Krause released some interesting articles today.
http://**********.com/news/?p=2094

ZubenElSchemali
12-01-2008, 02:48 PM
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Crime_Scene_Investigation_(season_8)) is showing a different schedule than this. It says that Jan. 10/08 original airing was "Bull". But the above quote says Jan 14/08 was "Raising Caine". Were there two new episodes aired within a week? I believe the strike was going on at that time, explaining the reruns.

The cloroform episode is quite interesting but it was after the searches. Could they have aired a preview? Moon was in Leo/entertainment, critical degree, when the search was made.

Spitfire4ever
12-01-2008, 03:01 PM
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Crime_Scene_Investigation_(season_8)) is showing a different schedule than this. It says that Jan. 10/08 original airing was "Bull". But the above quote says Jan 14/08 was "Raising Caine". Were there two new episodes aired within a week? I believe the strike was going on at that time, explaining the reruns.

The cloroform episode is quite interesting but it was after the searches. Could they have aired a preview? Moon was in Leo/entertainment, critical degree, when the search was made.

I went back and March 31, 2008 is the first airing of this episode. So it is just a qwinky dink I guess. I didn't find any interesting episodes from CSI New York or Las Vegas. I actually couldn't find that many episodes that were aired in March at all. The strike could be the explanation for this. I went to csifiles. com for the info.

Salem
12-01-2008, 03:09 PM
Spitfire, you totally rock!!

I will see if I can get the Stars to speak to me about this and post later today.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I can't wait to see what the stars might say. I really, really want to know, why she was searching for a shovel. I have many theories and many posters have offered more theories, but none of them really seem to fit. I think the poster, Friday, came closest in her theory, but at the moment I am having a brain freeze. :crazy::crazy:

Don't ya just hate that - I'll have to go find her post and double check what she said.

Salem

Spitfire4ever
12-01-2008, 03:14 PM
There was also mention of the 100th episode of One Tree Hill which includes a kidnapping by a crazed nanny. The original air date was 3-18-08 per IMDB. Here is a link to the plot synopsis but mods please remove if not ok to post. Thanks, matilda

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032104/synopsis

KC searched for One Tree Hill on March 19th at 10:30:08 and One Tree Hill 100th Episode March 19th at 10:41:23.

Georgia101957
12-01-2008, 03:26 PM
You can watch the kidnapping scene here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptRZnuNtZ0

Salem
12-01-2008, 05:03 PM
Well - what do you think. Doesn't that Nanny look like KC's description of the Nanny? Brown curly hair that has been straightened, 5'7", about 135-140 pounds and she has a lot of money...!!!????

OMG!

Salem

Soulscape
12-01-2008, 08:51 PM
I'll admit I wondered whether we were making too big a deal of these computer searches. After all, there were only two searches found on KC’s computer: one two days before her 22nd birthday, one two days after. The first search only lasted about 12 minutes. The second search another 12 minutes. Can we really deduce these two searches totaling approximately 25 minutes, disturbing as their content was, “prove” KC was premeditating murder?



Let’s look at the insights provided by the Stars:

Chart 1: Computer Search on 3/17/08, 1:43 pm, Orlando, FL

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CaseysComputerSearches1.gif


At first glance the chart appears innocuous. Cancer rises. Mom, home, apple pie, all things domestic. Ruler Moon (KC) in 1st House. She’s exactly where she wants to be, at home (Cancer), entertaining herself (Moon in Leo), perhaps “educating” herself (Sun in 9th House of Higher Education) by running web searches on her computer (Uranus of computers in 9th House) about something that’s caught her fancy (Sun in imaginative Pisces), maybe something she’s seen on television (9th House of Mass Communication/ broadcasting/ television with Uranus of televisions within). After all, with Ascendant at 25:15 Cancer, the Sabian Symbol (26 Cancer because we always round up to the next degree) is “People Reading on Sofas” which connotes recreation, relaxation and enjoying one’s favorite pleasure.

(Did you catch that, Jose? There’s your defense in a nutshell…)

A deeper look, however, is much more disturbing.

The Transneptunian VULCANUS at 24:07 Cancer closely conjuncts the Ascendant from the 12th House. This suggests emotional (Cancer) eruption (Vulcanus) and that KC’s condition is that of a “loose cannon.”

KC’s ruler MOON, located in the 1st House, is tightly conjunct the Part of Deceit at 8:12 Leo and opposite the Part of Death at 7:14 Aquarius. MOON (KC) is in crisis degree (9 Fixed), as is MERCURY, ruler of her 3rd House of Mindset, at 4 Mutable. Sickeningly, the Part of Child, Female is located between Chiron (wounding/damage) and Neptune (drugs), also in crisis degree, 21 Fixed.

In a forensic Horary chart, the Lights (Sun & Moon) give additional information about the 1st House person. I discussed above how KC may be seen as “educating” herself by running web searches about something that piqued her interest /caught her fancy which is shown by the SUN in Pisces (imagination, whims, fancy) in the 9th House of mass communications/ broadcasting/television. In looking deeper, we see SUN (representing KC) is in Fateful Degree --- same degree as the Nodes. This always points to a catastrophe, a tragedy or death. Additionally, the Part of Rage/Murder2 at 27:38 Pisces exactly conjuncts the SUN.

Things certainly do appear to be getting darker…

The 3rd House shows a person’s motivation/mindset. In this Chart, Virgo is on the 3rd House cusp making MERCURY the ruler of KC’s mindset.

MERCURY is peregrine (aimless wandering), in Fall, in Detriment, in critical degree (4 Mutable), in imaginative, fantasy-prone Pisces in the 8th House of Death, closely conjunct VENUS, natural significator of a young girl. Furthermore, MERCURY (KC’s thought process) conjunct VENUS (Caylee) is opposite the malefic South Node conjunct Saturn in the 2nd House of the Near Future, suggesting KC was in fact thinking about Caylee’s demise as she performed her disturbing web searches.

Thoughts of death by drugs (chloroform, etc.) seem likely with NEPTUNE (drugs) just inside the the 8th House cusp, and, as mentioned above, conjunct both the Part of Child, Female and Chiron (wounding/ damage). Also, the asteroid REQUIEM (death) is posited within KC’s 3rd House of Mental Processes/ Thinking and at 05:53 Libra, it closely conjuncts Caylee’s natal MOON at 4 Libra.

In addition to analyzing VENUS as Caylee’s significator (VENUS as a young girl), in this Chart, since KC is the 1st House, her child is actually represented by the 5th House of Children, Scorpio which makes MARS the main significator of Caylee. Here, MARS (Caylee) is located in the radix 12th House / and her own turned 8th of Death. MARS (Caylee) at 4:46 Cancer is disposited by the MOON (KC) showing that little Caylee is completely in KC’s power. The appearance of the malefic South Node conjunct Saturn (death) in the 2nd House of the Near Future opposite KC’s mindset ruler MERCURY conjunct VENUS (natural significator of a young girl) in the radix 8th House of Death clinches what is on KC’s mind: death of her child by drugs (MERCURY & VENUS in Death’s House with NEPTUNE (drugs) on the 8th House Cusp conjunct the Part of Child, Female).

I will discuss the second search chart in a later post.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Lovejac
12-01-2008, 09:04 PM
So sadly fascinating, Soulscape. I use to be on the fence about accident/intentional (usually leaning more toward the latter.) However, THIS chart knock me off that fence.

ShadowGal
12-01-2008, 09:30 PM
Chilling. And so very very sad....

Salem
12-01-2008, 09:34 PM
Wow Soulscape! So what was happening in March that set KC loose? Everyone talks about the "family secret." Could it be that KC tried to harm Caylee prior to the June incident and the family knows this and that is why they are acting as they are? It seems to me that KC did harm to Caylee prior to June. Maybe that is what really sent CA to the therapist? Just some thoughts, but knowing that KC tends to act implusively and without thinking things through, it does not seem like she would have had the patience to wait another 3 months before acting on her thoughts?

Salem

beckaroozie
12-01-2008, 09:58 PM
Wow -- amazing insight Soulscape. Thank you!

Zoe Bogart
12-02-2008, 12:55 AM
Thank you, Soulscape. Just when I think I can't be saddened anymore, this did the trick. I never quite bought into the accident theory but always hoped it wasn't deliberate, even though all signs were pointing that way (in my mind): not reporting her missing, no 911 calls, decomposition in the trunk, her fun and games while Caylee was missing, so many things. I think I'm speechless!

Many thanks to you, Soulscape.


Alexa

ZubenElSchemali
12-02-2008, 08:19 AM
Daylight savings time was already in place by the time of this chart. http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2008.html 12Cancer23 rises during a Mercury hour. I wouldn't be surprised if George did at at least part of these searches. His Sun (identity) is 12Virgo, fitting the 12* ascendant and his 12*Jupiter dispositing Mercury ruling the hour. His sunrise Moon is antiscion the 9th cusp. Moon degree is 9 just like the nodes. It's also his Mercury opposition, near exact. I see many more connections to his nativity than to Casey's. He's an ex homicide detective, not strange at all. The only hint I see that it is Casey is the part of identity (asc=Sa-Mo) is at 6Leo31, disposited by the Sun which is quite close, but not the same degree as Casey's. Actually, regarding death, I see more connections to potential suicide than murder directed toward another. I have to wonder how depressed GA was at this time.

What is the seeker thinking? Mercury rules the 3rd very appropriately. He is fallen, as well as Mars. Mars does have some natural dignity though because Mars rules water day and night. Moon has authority over and receives Mars, the child, showing the seeker has a position of authority over the child in some capacity. I would say though, with Mars also ruling the 10th, there is some sort of psychological connection to the seeker's own parent. Now, the most recent activity is Mercury opposing Saturn (possible deep depression) next applying a trine to Mars in the house of suicide or jail. Mercury would also represent Lee, the sibling, IF the seeker is Casey, or it would represent Casey if the seeker were Lee somehow. Mercury is between a rock and a hard place, beseiged between the two malefics. Now, if the seeker were George then Mars might represent Lee and Saturn would represent Casey, the 2nd child.

I don't think it is perfectly clear that the ascendant represents Casey. Moon is focused on skill and money, being in the 2nd. Mercury is focused on information fitting chloroform as a gas. It think it is interesting that chlorine is the most important ingredient missing. Chloroform is made up of CHCl3 needing 3 parts chlorine. Hydrogen was represented by alchemists with the Sun glyph. I wish I could find one for carbon and chlorine.

Soulscape
12-02-2008, 08:51 AM
Daylight savings time was already in place by the time of this chart. http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2008.html 12Cancer23 rises during a Mercury hour.

I am well aware EDT was in place. I deliberately chose to use EST, based on prior experimentation that consistently gives valid outcome.

Thanks,
Soulscape

ZubenElSchemali
12-02-2008, 08:58 AM
Ok, I'm sorry to have pointed that out.

Soulscape
12-02-2008, 10:09 AM
I'm copying this Quote over from the Updates thread, looks like the Murder trial will be delayed.

Casey Defense Team Member Predicts Trial Delay
Tuesday, December 2, 2008 – updated: 7:59 am EST December 2, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A member of Casey Anthony's defense team says he predicts that her trial will be delayed. Doctor Lawrence Kobilinsky talked about a possible delay Monday night on CNN's Nancy Grace show
http://www.wftv.com/news/18185613/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news


Video


http://www.wftv.com/video/18185480/index.html

I discussed this likelihood on 10/28, click below if you want to review the post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2874417&postcount=22

Thanks,
Soulscape

21merc7
12-02-2008, 10:20 AM
Soulscape, thanks for all of this hard work. It is very dark news. I had hoped this was all an accident. It appears not to have been. :(

magic-cat
12-02-2008, 10:22 AM
I'm copying this Quote over from the Updates thread, looks like the Murder trial will be delayed.



I discussed this likelihood on 10/28, click below if you want to review the post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2874417&postcount=22

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape,
Thanks so much for your indepth analysis which have proven CORRECT time and time again...As the querrant in your charts, I am sure that the answers that you have gleaned have been guided by the stars, and, I am happy to once again point out, they have appeared accurate every single time...My upmost respect and admiration are with you in this endeavor and your thinking is MOST clear and insightful...Blessings in your visions...

the by and by
12-02-2008, 10:36 AM
Soulscape thank you. That shows that KC had murder on her mind and her mind on murdering Caylee. The dreams I have had showed her in death but one of the last ones showed me KC watching Caylee 'wasting' away and poking her finger on her head like you were nudging someone to see if they would move and Caylee's arm moved when she poked her. I got the feeling from this dream that there is a possibility that KC may have not killed her the first time and used another method to finish her off. Or if an accident waited for her to die instead of seeking help. I know dreams have many influences but this was a little different than others I had that just showed Caylee dead. I myself think KC invented her own accident so others would think that. Do any of the charts hint to her using more than one method because first one did not get the results KC wanted or that she may have actually watched or waited for her to die?

magic-cat
12-02-2008, 11:14 AM
I believe this: if there WERE an accident, then the EVIDENCE would have supported THAT and Casey could EASILY have admitted there was an accident early on and the evidence would have been there to back up her story. Why did she not admit the accidental death scenario then? I believe it is because Caylee's body did not hold the evidence to back up her story, but rather, displayed the guilt of her mother in all its glory. I believe she ABSOLUTELY did and does not want Caylee's body ever found because she knew and knows that is it is found then it will be the needle for HER because the remains will SHOW what she has done...Hair will retain evidence of drugging, especially if one dies from the drugs, so in Caylee's hair MAY just be all the evidence that would ever be needed, and who knows THAT better than the one who put the drugs in her?

beckaroozie
12-02-2008, 12:12 PM
I was thinking back over Tuba's possible body location chart which said that the body was likely 4.75 mi WNW from the A's house. I was using the mileage ruler on Google Earth and ran across something that kinda startled me. Give it a look and let me know what you think. San Juan Blvd & Teatro Blvd.

1. It's 4.75 miles from A's house in a WNW direction.
2. There's a park there
3. It's pretty secluded and there is drive up (or close to) water access.
4. There are woods there, and an open ground in the middle of the woods.
It's a park, but not...don't know about flowers (see pic below and you decide). It appears to me that the green clumps in the lake itself may be lillipads too??
5. There's a recreational area (Tennis court & Basketball Court)
6. There's a wooden bridge there. See it to the right of South end of lake
zoom in.
7. If she were there KC's pings would still hit on the familiar towers. (Lake Underhill & S Semoran below 408 near airport)
8. It's very close to the airport.
9. Could tie in with the 'Puerto Rico' theory that CA has been given by KC
since most of the streets are Spanish and in particular there is a San
Juan Blvd. Maybe Caylee really is in Puerto Rico in KC's backward way
of giving clues?

Here are a few images:

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo38/beckaroozie/sanjuan-park.jpg

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo38/beckaroozie/sanjuan-subdv-2.jpg

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo38/beckaroozie/sanjuan-subdv.jpg

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo38/beckaroozie/yellowflowertree.jpg


Just a thought -- let me know what you guys think.

Tuba
12-02-2008, 12:57 PM
Thank you for the good research, Beck. Strange about that yellow flower & the tree. The pings-airport connection is a good one. I wish I knew the Orlando area.

beckaroozie
12-02-2008, 01:15 PM
Thank you for the good research, Beck. Strange about that yellow flower & the tree. The pings-airport connection is a good one. I wish I knew the Orlando area.

Me too! It's frustrating sometimes not knowing. Wish I knew the name of that subdivision and park.

UPDATE LOCATION INFO:

I looked up area on MapQuest and saw that subdivision is on the West side of the intersection of S. Semoran and Lake Underhill -- just below the 408. Very interesting location!!

Salem
12-02-2008, 01:29 PM
Ok, I'm sorry to have pointed that out.

AE - your input here is valuable. It is obvious that your theory of what happened differs from what most of the rest of us think and that is a good thing. It is very important that we approach this with an open mind. There are still so many questions.

Soulscape, Tuba, Housemouse, Aksleuth, Kaitland and a few others have been tracking this case through the stars for many moons now (pun intended :)) and have contributed much hard work and many long hours with, in my opinion, startling and accurate results, which I appreciate very much. This is my favorite thread even though I know little of astrology.

I do believe it is important that variations be pointed out and your analysis, based on a different time standard, is very interesting. It would also lead me to ask questions about what was happening with GA at this time in March? Was he working? Was he at a dark point? Very difficult to say. It was reported that he started a new job in July, but I'm not sure we know how long he actually worked at his last job. Was it for more than 3 or 4 months? Was he fired? Did he quit because of personnel issues? Was the whole thing with KC and the stealing/lieing just getting him down?

I would gently say though, that I think the physical evidence correlates with Soulscape's use of the EDT time frame. We know that cholorform was found in KC's car. So if GA did the searches and put cholorform together did KC steal it from GA? Or if GA did the searches, did KC see them and snoop around to see what GA was doing, which gave her ideas?

Anyway, interesting overall and food for thought,

Salem

Tuba
12-02-2008, 01:56 PM
At the hour of the pre-trial, there is a Mutable T-Square that falls out close to Cusp 6 because the Moon, grave, serious, climactic, has not reached that point. At the impending Full Moon, it will. What will the Moon illuminate then but the past, the prisoner, her secrets! The tell tale Mercury who tattles from H. 12 and the ruler of H. 12 now in an angle were subject to earlier analysis.

The chart gives three testimonies that more evidence pertaining to what really occurred in June will surface now. Damning evidence of culpability. Interesting that the harmonizing component here is Neptune, bearing witness. House 3 governs witness(es). Unreliable as an oral witness designated by Neptune may be, Neptune may serve well when it represents photographs, chemistry, screen shots, flooding. This may be the discovery Defense is demanding. Saturn in Virgo tells of the Defense lack or need and the experts waiting to analyse it. Defense has much of it but rightly, wants all of it.

The Moon in crisis (4° Mutable), in the past has neglected opportunities to face the court authority, inconjunct Pluto, unconcerned with how her refusal & reclusiveness might appear to her prejudice. Where is this going? The Moon will conjoin the Part of Fortune at 29° II opposite Mercury. At a desperate moment, the prisoner will confront the testimony of the tell tale witness. Her lawyer will exert some measure of cleverness (36°) in dealing with that account of the matter. But that occasion postdates the pre-trial hearing. And the Full Moon on December 12, which has her up the wall. :behindbar

ZubenElSchemali
12-02-2008, 02:16 PM
...I would gently say though, that I think the physical evidence correlates with Soulscape's use of the EDT time frame....

Salem
The chart was cast for EST, not EDT so it is showing the stars an hour later, after the computer search. I'd be interested in hearing more detail about this technique of finding missing persons with a different time than the known events. I've used horary to find missing things on occasion, but used the correct time, either using the correct time zone or universal time, but only the current time, not an hour latter. So of course I'd be curious to hear the successes using this method.

As for the chloroform, I would need to have more education and facts before coming to conclusions. As far as the chart goes, it is possible, with Moon in entertaining Leo that there were previews about the show coming the next week containing chloroform, if she was an avid follower of that program. They usually show a lot of previews of popular programs. Moon is void during that time, only making a contraparallel to Pluto and much later an opposition to Neptune. The void is a time to reflect, lay back and carry on with routine things. Moon is quite weak in Leo, being peregrine. She's like a stranger with no place to go, not having a clue but is surely curious and playful. It's such strange territory because Moon's job is to reflect the light of the Sun, not be the source of the light. Things can be carried out quite successfully during the void. 911 is one very good example. But, they would have failed if they laid out their strategy and set it in motion during the void. It isn't a time to begin something completely new, only a time to complete what has already begun. I personally don't think a whole lot will come out of this computer search with void Moon. I also see some healthy mutual reception between Mars and Jupiter that doesn't fit premeditated murder. Jupiter is exalted in Cancer because he preserves life, the family line. Mars carries out the task of regeneration also and is exalted in Capricorn because he uses self control, has mastered self. Now, if we read Mars as the daughter of the household and Jupiter as the grandaughter of the household, they receive each other through exaltation. That would be like saying Caylee and Casey put each other on a pedistal. Of course, if we put anyone on a pedestal, they usually fall at some point but that doesn't discount that in this and several other charts I see mother and daughter receiving each other well. Now, this judgment is only correct as long as I'm using the right significators and the right time in order to determine significators. I'm sure of the pictures chart on the 15th though. Cindy was the ascendant, taking the picture. Her daughter and grand daughter received each other through triplicity in that chart. That is not a mother than hates her child. Then, through the mr, Moon will sextile Venus, surely not an aspect that is planning murder in a day or so.

Tuba
12-02-2008, 02:55 PM
So Tuba, are you saying there will be evidence given to JB, he will contort it to the perp's favor somehow?

Thank you again for all the work you all do, it must be very time consuming.

Not implying JB is or will be dishonest, just that he will take the information apart and always, as is his obligation, present it in the light most favorable to the prisoner.

Unlike other sleuths, I like and respect this attorney. I appreciate his manner both in court and with the media and also with his client. Unlike us, he is dispassionate about the truths & facts of this case. He is doing the best he can with a temperamental client who lies like a flatfish. Look at the assistance he has been able to mobilise~! She is so fortunate not to have public defender representation. He might look green to observers but he excels at recognising what is important. So he doesn't swagger into court like Roy Black or F. Lee Bailey with a quarter of a C. experience in hard cases behind him. He screws up his courage and pushes on. There is an old Chinese saying to the effect, never mock or criticise a man who is trying to accomplish something. My one regret, often expressed, is that a different sort of man, another lawyer, could have extracted the truth from the prisoner. But that is not JB's job. On the day of reckoning, he will walk away from this case knowing he did his best.

21merc7
12-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Thanks Tuba. I see I did phrase that incorrectly. I am aware that JB is doing his job, to the best of his ability, and will not be dishonest about it. I apologize for the confusion. I try to post too quickly while at work. Thank you for the correction. :)

Soulscape
12-02-2008, 03:05 PM
On March 21, 2008, Casey performed the second of two disturbing computer searches, starting at 2:16 pm.

See chart:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CaseysComputerSearch2032108.gif


In this second search, she looked up:

--how to make chloroform 14:16:30
--Self Defense 14:20:32
--Household Weapons 14:21:58 and 14:25:33
--Neck Breaking 14:26:24
--Shovel 14:28:18

Why was she searching these terms? Leo, sign of the Entertainer, rises, so perhaps she was simply entertaining herself. The SUN, ruler of theatrical Leo and significator of KC is located at 01:32 Aries conjunct the 9th House Cusp.

Once again, as in the first computer search chart, we find her “educating” herself in the 9th House of Higher Learning. As before, it is certainly possible she is looking up terms she learned about from television programs (her significator SUN located in the 9th house of broadcasting/ mass communications/ television).

Maybe she’d been watching too many CSI repeats and had death & destruction on her mind, since the Part of Assassination (02:36 Leo) conjuncts the Ascendant from the 12th House.

Maybe she let her guard down, never thinking that somewhere down the road someone might run forensics on her computer. She was likely high or inebriated when she ran the searches, because BACCHUS the Asteroid of addiction is closely conjunct her significator SUN at 02:13 Aries. (It was in similar placement in the 3/17/08 computer search chart, so KC was likely high/ inebriated during both these searches.)


On the other hand, maybe she was daydreaming (SUN conjunct BACCHUS in the 9th House of dreams) about murdering her kid …


Look at the chart. You will clearly see SUN (KC) is part of a Grand Cross in cardinal signs involving SUN, MOON, MARS, and PLUTO, plus some additional unsavory characters --- BACCHUS the Addict (conjunct SUN), MEDUSA the murderer (conjunct MARS), The Part of Death conjunct PLUTO, and the Part of Death/Separation conjunct the MOON. Moreover, the SUN/MOON Midpoint (symbolizing the essence of KC in her entirety) is located at 01:41 Capricorn, partile conjunct PLUTO and thoroughly integrated within the cardinal Grand Cross.

Note for Students: a Grand Cross consists of four or more planets spread at intervals of approximately 90°. Thus, a cross or two oppositions is formed in the chart. This configuration generally indicates a person living under continuous stress and facing a seemingly never ending series of challenges. Likewise, the Grand Cross is also representative of an individual who is never able to rest until his purpose is actualized. This aspect places the person’s life in a constant state of tension and upheaval.

When the Grand Cross is made up of planets in cardinal signs, as they are in this chart, it paints a picture of a person who tends to be critical, impersonal, and in many ways domineering. The cardinal Grand Cross gives a strong sense that KC had “more energy that she knew what to do with” and that she was “forced” to constantly look for ways to dissipate that energy overload, even if her use of the energy was non-productive and/or harmful. All this conflicting cardinal energy at the time of her computer searches gives the sense that KC was extremely impatient, agitated, and perhaps making hasty decisions she ultimately would find herself regretting.


Back to the Chart…


KC’s child is shown by the radix 5th House, here Sagittarius. Note that BLACK MOON LILITH (a death indicator) and VERTEX (fated event) straddle the 5th House Cusp. Additionally, PLUTO (a death indicator) is posited in Caylee’s turned 1st House (radix 5th House). Also note PART OF DEATH at 06:55 Capricorn within one minute of conjunction to Caylee’s turned 2nd house (radix 6th house) and Caylee’s ruler JUPITER posited therein.

JUPITER in its Fall in the radix 6th House of Routine shows that Caylee was a likely considered by KC to be a “heavy burden” (Jupiter in Capricorn), and/or a resented “daily chore,” or “responsibility,” since JUPITER (Caylee) is partile opposite the Part of Sorrow at 18:21 Cancer.

Unluckily, JUPITER (Caylee) is also sucked into the volatile cardinal Grand Cross by being in mutual reception (by exaltation) with MARS conjunct MEDUSA (murder by the mother). Since Caylee’s significator JUPITER is in her 2nd House of the Near Future, the Chart gives the sense that whatever the outcome of KC’s impatient, agitated energies may be, they will impact little Caylee “down the road” (in the 2nd House of “tomorrow”) as opposed to anything lethal happening during the computer search time frame.

The energy of this cardinal Grand Cross is frightening. Surely KC was struggling with her murderous thoughts and one wonders how she ever managed to keep any plans that were hatching “under wraps” for almost 3 full months.

* Daylight Savings Time was in effect in Orlando FL on both search dates, 3/17/08 & 3/21/08. From time to time (and on a case-by-case basis), I choose to use Standard Time in forensic horaries, as I have found the testimonies for such charts compelling. Since I used EST in the Chart for the first search, I felt it made sense to use it in the Chart for the 2nd search.

TxMother67
12-02-2008, 03:33 PM
On March 21, 2008, Casey performed the second of two disturbing computer searches, starting at 2:16 pm.

See chart:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/CaseysComputerSearch2032108.gif


In this second search, she looked up:

--how to make chloroform 14:16:30
--Self Defense 14:20:32
--Household Weapons 14:21:58 and 14:25:33
--Neck Breaking 14:26:24
--Shovel 14:28:18

Why was she searching these terms? Leo, sign of the Entertainer, rises, so perhaps she was simply entertaining herself. The SUN, ruler of theatrical Leo and significator of KC is located at 01:32 Aries conjunct the 9th House Cusp.

Once again, as in the first computer search chart, we find her “educating” herself in the 9th House of Higher Learning. As before, it is certainly possible she is looking up terms she learned about from television programs (her significator SUN located in the 9th house of broadcasting/ mass communications/ television).

Maybe she’d been watching too many CSI repeats and had death & destruction on her mind, since the Part of Assassination (02:36 Leo) conjuncts the Ascendant from the 12th House.

Maybe she let her guard down, never thinking that somewhere down the road someone might run forensics on her computer. She was likely high or inebriated when she ran the searches, because BACCHUS the Asteroid of addiction is closely conjunct her significator SUN at 02:13 Aries. (It was in similar placement in the 3/17/08 computer search chart, so KC was likely high/ inebriated during both these searches.)


On the other hand, maybe she was daydreaming (SUN conjunct BACCHUS in the 9th House of dreams) about murdering her kid …


Look at the chart. You will clearly see SUN (KC) is part of a Grand Cross in cardinal signs involving SUN, MOON, MARS, and PLUTO, plus some additional unsavory characters --- BACCHUS the Addict (conjunct SUN), MEDUSA the murderer (conjunct MARS), The Part of Death conjunct PLUTO, and the Part of Death/Separation conjunct the MOON. Moreover, the SUN/MOON Midpoint (symbolizing the essence of KC in her entirety) is located at 01:41 Capricorn, partile conjunct PLUTO and thoroughly integrated within the cardinal Grand Cross.

Note for Students: a Grand Cross consists of four or more planets spread at intervals of approximately 90°. Thus, a cross or two oppositions is formed in the chart. This configuration generally indicates a person living under continuous stress and facing a seemingly never ending series of challenges. Likewise, the Grand Cross is also representative of an individual who is never able to rest until his purpose is actualized. This aspect places the person’s life in a constant state of tension and upheaval.

When the Grand Cross is made up of planets in cardinal signs, as they are in this chart, it paints a picture of a person who tends to be critical, impersonal, and in many ways domineering. The cardinal Grand Cross gives a strong sense that KC had “more energy that she knew what to do with” and that she was “forced” to constantly look for ways to dissipate that energy overload, even if her use of the energy was non-productive and/or harmful. All this conflicting cardinal energy at the time of her computer searches gives the sense that KC was extremely impatient, agitated, and perhaps making hasty decisions she ultimately would find herself regretting.


Back to the Chart…


KC’s child is shown by the radix 5th House, here Sagittarius. Note that BLACK MOON LILITH (a death indicator) and VERTEX (fated event) straddle the 5th House Cusp. Additionally, PLUTO (a death indicator) is posited in Caylee’s turned 1st House (radix 5th House). Also note PART OF DEATH at 06:55 Capricorn within one minute of conjunction to Caylee’s turned 2nd house (radix 6th house) and Caylee’s ruler JUPITER posited therein.

JUPITER in its Fall in the radix 6th House of Routine shows that Caylee was a likely considered by KC to be a “heavy burden” (Jupiter in Capricorn), and/or a resented “daily chore,” or “responsibility,” since JUPITER (Caylee) is partile opposite the Part of Sorrow at 18:21 Cancer.

Unluckily, JUPITER (Caylee) is also sucked into the volatile cardinal Grand Cross by being in mutual reception (by exaltation) with MARS conjunct MEDUSA (murder by the mother). Since Caylee’s significator JUPITER is in her 2nd House of the Near Future, the Chart gives the sense that whatever the outcome of KC’s impatient, agitated energies may be, they will impact little Caylee “down the road” (in the 2nd House of “tomorrow”) as opposed to anything lethal happening during the computer search time frame.

The energy of this cardinal Grand Cross is frightening. Surely KC was struggling with her murderous thoughts and one wonders how she ever managed to keep any plans that were hatching “under wraps” for almost 3 full months.

* Daylight Savings Time was in effect in Orlando FL on both search dates, 3/17/08 & 3/21/08. From time to time (and on a case-by-case basis), I choose to use Standard Time in forensic horaries, as I have found the testimonies for such charts compelling. Since I used EST in the Chart for the first search, I felt it made sense to use it in the Chart for the 2nd search.

Your ability facinates me!!!!:blowkiss:

FifthEssence
12-02-2008, 03:47 PM
SOULSCAPE post #185
* Daylight Savings Time was in effect in Orlando FL on both search dates, 3/17/08 & 3/21/08. From time to time (and on a case-by-case basis), I choose to use Standard Time in forensic horaries, as I have found the testimonies for such charts compelling. Since I used EST in the Chart for the first search, I felt it made sense to use it in the Chart for the 2nd search.

Makes perfect sense.

Salem
12-02-2008, 03:57 PM
So Tuba, are you saying there will be evidence given to JB, he will contort it to the perp's favor somehow?

Thank you again for all the work you all do, it must be very time consuming.

Not implying JB is or will be dishonest, just that he will take the information apart and always, as is his obligation, present it in the light most favorable to the prisoner.

Unlike other sleuths, I like and respect this attorney. I appreciate his manner both in court and with the media and also with his client. Unlike us, he is dispassionate about the truths & facts of this case. He is doing the best he can with a temperamental client who lies like a flatfish. Look at the assistance he has been able to mobilise~! She is so fortunate not to have public defender representation. He might look green to observers but he excels at recognising what is important. So he doesn't swagger into court like Roy Black or F. Lee Bailey with a quarter of a C. experience in hard cases behind him. He screws up his courage and pushes on. There is an old Chinese saying to the effect, never mock or criticise a man who is trying to accomplish something. My one regret, often expressed, is that a different sort of man, another lawyer, could have extracted the truth from the prisoner. But that is not JB's job. On the day of reckoning, he will walk away from this case knowing he did his best.

Oh Tuba! I love it! This is exactly how I feel about JB! :blowkiss: So far, you are the only poster that has had the nerve to say such a thing :clap::clap:

I didn't because I hate to get beat up and in some threads around here, it is just scary. I would also add that JB does not WANT to know the real truth, because he is not permitted to lie to the court. So if KC said she killed her daughter, JB would have a really hard time defending her because he could not then say to the court "she didn't do it." He would have to look to insanity or mitigating circumstances for a defense. This is based on the federal rules of professional responsibility for lawyers. Having said all that, this is what the rules say and we all know, not everyone plays by the rules.

You've made my day with this post!

Salem

waltzingmatilda
12-02-2008, 04:09 PM
[quote=Tuba;3009607]

Oh Tuba! I love it! This is exactly how I feel about JB! :blowkiss: So far, you are the only poster that has had the never to say such a thing :clap::clap:

I didn't because I hate to get beat up and in some threads around here, it is just scary. I would also add that JB does not WANT to know the real truth, because he is not permitted to lie to the court. So if KC said she killed her daughter, JB would have a really hard time defending her because he could not then say to the court "she didn't do it." He would have to look to insanity or mitigating circumstances for a defense. This is based on the federal rules of professional responsibility for lawyers. Having said all that, this is what the rules say and we all know, not everyone plays by the rules.

You've made my day with this post!

Salem

WHAT SALEM SAID!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Salem
12-02-2008, 04:15 PM
Soulscape - I too am amazed by your work. And I wonder how or if KC did keep those "energies" in check.

A comment was made on another thread about a video of Caylee. I'll try to find the link, but it won't be until later today. Anyway... the comment was about how Caylee seemed to be trying to engage the person who was taping her and Caylee's frustration with getting no response. I believe Caylee was coloring and kept trying to show her colors to the person taping. I'm not sure I agreed with the interpretation by the poster of the video, but I was struck by the words and how cruel it seemed that someone would just ignore a child that was actively trying to engage your attention. I'm wondering, more and more, if Casey did begin a pattern of abusive behavior towards Caylee at this time. Maybe nothing outright physical, except for maybe drugging her, but maybe this is when KC began to really distance herself from Caylee so that KC's activities in June were much easier to bring about.

Salem

Salem
12-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Respectfully snipped ~
I'm sure of the pictures chart on the 15th though. Cindy was the ascendant, taking the picture. Her daughter and grand daughter received each other through triplicity in that chart. That is not a mother than hates her child. Then, through the mr, Moon will sextile Venus, surely not an aspect that is planning murder in a day or so.

How does this reading fit in with the fight we know took place on the evening of June 15th? Could that fight have been a catalyst? How did the stars change from the afternoon picture taking to the evening fight? Can you see that taking place?

My understanding is that astrology sets a stage so to speak and we (the humans) stand upon the stage generally following the path of the stars, BUT we are not limited from improvising or choosing to stray from the path of the stars. Do you think that maybe KC or CA or maybe even Caylee improvised the evening of June 15th, that set a "flurry" in motion? I don't believe GA was home and LA didn't live there at the time. Again, remember my knowledge of astrology is very limited.:crazy:

Salem

Soulscape
12-02-2008, 04:48 PM
Soulscape - I too am amazed by your work. And I wonder how or if KC did keep those "energies" in check.

A comment was made on another thread about a video of Caylee. I'll try to find the link, but it won't be until later today. Anyway... the comment was about how Caylee seemed to be trying to engage the person who was taping her and Caylee's frustration with getting no response. I believe Caylee was coloring and kept trying to show her colors to the person taping. I'm not sure I agreed with the interpretation by the poster of the video, but I was struck by the words and how cruel it seemed that someone would just ignore a child that was actively trying to engage your attention. I'm wondering, more and more, if Casey did begin a pattern of abusive behavior towards Caylee at this time. Maybe nothing outright physical, except for maybe drugging her, but maybe this is when KC began to really distance herself from Caylee so that KC's activities in June were much easier to bring about.

Salem


Salem, in this case anything is possible! Regarding the video, who took it, when & where? Without date, time & place, we cannot cast a chart. Without knowing who actually shot the video we cannot assign the cast of characters. If you can provide more information, please do.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Georgia101957
12-02-2008, 04:54 PM
I don't know when the video was taken, but here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBxvVckP3Ds

Salem
12-02-2008, 05:57 PM
Georgia - Thank you for the video link!

Okay guys when you watch this video, look at the hair line at Caylee's temple's and then compare to the video of her on June 15th when she is sitting at the table with her book. The child was losing her hair in the temple area. I would do still shots for you, but I don't know how.

Salem

Salem
12-02-2008, 06:01 PM
I don't know when the video was taken, but here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBxvVckP3Ds

Okay here is the other video to compare too. I think Caylee was losing her hair and I think this was a sign of the drugs that were forced upon her. What do you guys think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7QM6UEpIAw&feature=related

Salem

I guess this is off-topic right? Hmmmmmmm - sorry.

beckaroozie
12-02-2008, 06:32 PM
[quote=Tuba;3009607]

Oh Tuba! I love it! This is exactly how I feel about JB! :blowkiss: So far, you are the only poster that has had the nerve to say such a thing :clap::clap:

I didn't because I hate to get beat up and in some threads around here, it is just scary. I would also add that JB does not WANT to know the real truth, because he is not permitted to lie to the court. So if KC said she killed her daughter, JB would have a really hard time defending her because he could not then say to the court "she didn't do it." He would have to look to insanity or mitigating circumstances for a defense. This is based on the federal rules of professional responsibility for lawyers. Having said all that, this is what the rules say and we all know, not everyone plays by the rules.

You've made my day with this post!

Salem


Just a thought -- do you think maybe your statement regarding him not being able to 'lie to the court' had somehting to do with his 'leak' regarding the 'if KC did it it was an accident' statement?

ZubenElSchemali
12-02-2008, 06:35 PM
Hi Salem. June 15, 12:03:27 pm EDT has Pisces ruling the descendant. This chart could be read, using the 7th/descendant as the subject of the photo being taken for one of Caylee's places, and the 9th as the granddaughter. This makes sense to since Venus rules the grand child and is exalted in Pisces which also fits her being the natural ruler of that house.

At this point, things are changeable and unstable, mutable signs ruling the angles. But there is a fixed t-square that is not changeable. The fixed laws of the universe come into play here. We can't avoid the law of gravity, any more than we can keep the Sun from rising tomorrow. Moon is at a critical degree, as well as Mars when this picture is taken. This is the photo of Caylee sitting on Great Grandpa's lap on Father's day. The t-square shows the empty part falling in the house of the grandchild so simply could be pointing out this fixed record of the child, Taurus showing tangible value. The critical degrees can show crisis but this was a lovely time, not crisis. The critical degrees are where the Lunar mansions change. Moon, the reflection of Sol, has outgrown her current space and must move into more appropriate quarters. But, Moon here, opposite the grand daughter could be capturing the absence of Caylee, already at this point.
Moon's next major contact at this time is trine Uranus, again a potential accident or something quite unexpected or unusual. Moon will square Neptune at void. The final Lunar aspect shows the overall theme and goal of Moon's trek through each sign. The aspect to Neptune could be a connection to drugs, but could also, even more easily show the visit to those limited and afflicted, the visit to the nursing home, as is the nature of Pisces and Neptune. This involvement also flavors this whole case, Neptune clouding things and making it quite hard to pin things down for sure. Pisces brings a lot of mystery and the non tangible. So that fits circumstantial evidence quite well. Virgo relates to all the fine details, breaking the whole down into its individual parts. Pisces synthesizes. The problem is, although the synthetic may seem to be a perfect copy of the original, it often is missing a vital component, which is why so many synthetic drugs have so many horrible side affects that the plant they are copying doesn't have. The square to Neptune could also point to a problem involving lies or confusion/lack of clarity, such as with someone that is senile, etc.

Now, Uranus rules the 12th of the 7th. This is the house of suicide or being hidden and imprisoned, not murder. Uranus rules the house of health and hygiene in the radical or non turned chart. There is no connection with Saturn ruling Cindy's daughter, shown by the 5th. A self inflicted accident or suicide wouldn't directly involve other people. Scorpio is known to inflict pain upon self at times. I can't help but notice how often Pisces is showing up int the charts. Allowing Uranus and Neptune to trade signs, as they do when in mutual reception, we can see the potential for an accident by drowning or in water, accidental electrocution in water, accidental gas or drug exposure, most likely through inhalation with Aquarius involved. But I'm not even sure this would be a simple drowning. I say potential electrical involvement because of Aquarius and Gemini both being electrical in nature. Now, I see some 6th house type inconjuncts and activity also. The 6th house involves hygiene like taking a bath. Moon is making a waxing inconjunct to Sun and Venus, the grand daughter that is combust. Sun was recently waxing inconjunct Jupiter also. Sun could be music, a radio, Neptune could also. I point this out just as possible alternatives shown. The 8th house or waning type of inconjucts are what would more clearly point to death though.

The daughter, Casey, shown by Saturn in the 12th is in mutual reception with her daughter, Caylee, shown by Venus ruling the 5th from the 5th or the 9th house. The reception is through triplicity. This isn't the very strongest reception but is reception just the same. It's interesting that this dignity is only by day. At night they are both peregrine, in foreign territory. But, Venus welcomes Saturn into her Libra home, treating him as an honored guest so clearly they receive each other with dignity.
The relationship between Cindy and her daughter would be shown by Mercury and Saturn. They have a relationship also, taking turns ruling air, Saturn by day, Mercury by night. I'm sure back when Casey was an events coordinator she mostly worked at night when the events were happening. But, this could also show that Casey took care of Caylee during the day and Cindy did quite often at night. There is a mixed reception between them too. Cindy receives Casey through triplicity or air, and Casey receives Cindy through being ruler, having exaltation and ruling term. That is rather heavy on the side of Casey receiving Cindy but isn't that usually the case between a parent and child? I would say they are receptive to each other but on different terms or for different reasons. There is no reason, looking at this chart to think that they have huge problems that can't be resolved. But, Saturn, Casey could be a thief, being peregrine. Not every planet that is peregrine is a thief but I think there is evidence to support it in this case.

Mars is the natural ruler of the 8th, death, in the 6th of the photo subject, the 7th, and very near the fatal position of Moon's and nodes. The South node is the release point. Keep in mind that Mars rules the 12th of the grandchild. This release is less than a degree away. There are certain degrees that are said to be connected to suicide. One is the 26th degree of Gemini which is 25Gem01 to 26Gem. Sun is only 6 minutes away and Venus has just left there. Sun is Caley's ruler and Venus disposites her Moon. In fact, using a sunrise chart for Caylee, her 4Libra Moon is very near the turned 8th house here. The Arabic part of danger, here is at critical 17Gem high in the sky. The ruler Rx shows it is likely a repeated danger.

Moon about to trine Uranus could also show her going for her daughter's throat, Uranus ruling the 2nd of the 5th house daughter. That would only be a couple hours away though and Casey couldn't have gotten back home until over 6 hours later. No, it looks to me like the fight was before, as Moon squared Mars which could bring some major anger (Mars) with a child (Leo) over money (Scorpio). It looks like Cindy was trying to confront her about it with the call at 3:35 pm but the call was only half a minute. Moon was trine Neptune Uranus at that time. At 5:06pm it she called home as Moon was in contact with Neptune. She only talked for 3 minutes though, then her phone was quite for 2 hours. She was still at Tony's at that time though. Either the fight took place before the trip to the nursing home or after she got home late evening, and it only lasted a couple minutes. She was texting or talking on the phone non stop every few minutes so I don't see how there could have been a big brawl until maybe 3:30 am but she was back on the phone at 7:45 so she had to sleep sometime. I'm not too sure there was a big fight that day.

Again, if this isn't how it happened the other 6th house potential is a servant of some kind, someone that provides a service, like a nanny. I am not seeing death at the hands of the mother here. In fact there is no contact shown here between Moon and the potential rulers of mother of either 7th or 9th house Caylee. The same is true if we gave her the ascendant. Cindy's daughter is near crisis, Saturn being near critical 4Virgo, but that doesn't happen yet. Moon will square but not till after moving out of the sign of death. And we know she didn't return home till later that night. The natal asteroid Cayley sits on the midheaven but transiting Cayley is in the 4th of this chart, which is not only the grave, but the 8th of the 9th house. Perhaps we could cast a chart for the first call on her phone after she got back in that area for more of the story. The part of servants is appropriately in the 6th house, at 14Aq and Mercury recently made a trine. Rx indicates it is a repeat contact. Mercury is the natural ruler of servants or employees, as is Virgo. As much as it seems too hard to believe Virgo keeps coming up for some reason.

Connie

Salem
12-02-2008, 06:39 PM
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Just a thought -- do you think maybe your statement regarding him not being able to 'lie to the court' had somehting to do with his 'leak' regarding the 'if KC did it it was an accident' statement?

Boy - I don't know, but that's a great observation. Until we hear a little more about what the defense might be, its hard to say. I have been a little shocked at some of the things JB has said publically and that was one of the things that shocked me.

As Tuba also observed in her "gag order hearing" chart and afterwards, this hearing was very interesting with the Prosecution accusing JB of admitting KC's guilt to the media and JB defending by saying that the Supreme Court ruled that he could defend his client anyway he sees fit. I thought JB gave as good as he got that day. It could be that he knows what happened or has a pretty good idea after picking through all of KC's "half-truths" but we won't know for sure until we see what the defense strategy is.

Salem

Salem
12-02-2008, 07:01 PM
Okay AqEs - that's a lot to ponder. I'll be back :)

Salem

Salem
12-02-2008, 07:04 PM
Salem, in this case anything is possible! Regarding the video, who took it, when & where? Without date, time & place, we cannot cast a chart. Without knowing who actually shot the video we cannot assign the cast of characters. If you can provide more information, please do.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape - I posted a question in the Questions for WSs thread asking if anyone knew how to tell when a video was made. Hopefully we will get some ideas and be able to figure out when this video was made. Georgia posted a link to the video above.

Salem

KAITLAND
12-02-2008, 07:11 PM
I am well aware EDT was in place. I deliberately chose to use EST, based on prior experimentation that consistently gives valid outcome.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Another great analysis SS. More justification of premeditation. I also like the EST charts. DST is an artificial time. We are never truly off standard time, just our clocks are.
And yes, premeditation is shocking, and hard to believe. KC was successful in her lies and thievry for a long time because no one wanted to believe she was capable of such treachery. Con artists are successful because they get the victims to suspend their belief systems. KC's heavy neptune (sun/mercury conj in Pisces, and moon opposite neptune) have served her well in that regard. She most definitely is a cameleon. First you see Casey ...attractive young mother, jeans, trendy - just like most young moms....hundreds of photos of a smiling KC with Caylee... contrast that with sexy photos of (?)bisexual nightclubber.... then we see her morph into the "law student" look , accused of murder and heading to jail......and you have the many faces of KC.

passionflower
12-02-2008, 07:18 PM
Okay here is the other video to compare too. I think Caylee was losing her hair and I think this was a sign of the drugs that were forced upon her. What do you guys think?

Salem

I guess this is off-topic right? Hmmmmmmm - sorry.

THANKYOU for pointing that out.......yes she IS losing her hair in the temple side area in the great grandpa holding her video!!!!! compared to the crayon draing video............IMO

Soulscape
12-02-2008, 07:21 PM
Another great analysis SS. More justification of premeditation. I also like the EST charts. DST is an artificial time. We are never truly off standard time, just our clocks are.
And yes, premeditation is shocking, and hard to believe. KC was successful in her lies and thievry for a long time because no one wanted to believe she was capable of such treachery. Con artists are successful because they get the victims to suspend their belief systems. KC's heavy neptune (sun/mercury conj in Pisces, and moon opposite neptune) have served her well in that regard. She most definitely is a cameleon. First you see Casey ...attractive young mother, jeans, trendy - just like most young moms....hundreds of photos of a smiling KC with Caylee... contrast that with sexy photos of (?)bisexual nightclubber.... then we see her morph into the "law student" look , accused of murder and heading to jail......and you have the many faces of KC.

And those photos were viciously deleted per Jesse G.'s testimony. To paraphrase, JG stated KC had hundreds of photos of Caylee on her Myspace page at any given time; most of which were deleted prior to Cindy's phone calls to LE on 7/15.

As any woman who has ever dumped a BF knows, one of the first things we women do when we end a relationship is tear down the photos because we don't want reminders hanging around, bringing us down. A psychiatrist on NG drew this exact parallel when NG asked her why KC may have removed the photos of Caylee on her Myspace page.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Salem
12-02-2008, 08:46 PM
THANKYOU for pointing that out.......yes she IS losing her hair in the temple side area in the great grandpa holding her video!!!!! compared to the crayon draing video............IMO

Ohhhhhh - thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been saying this for months. I even sent an email to OCSO. I know little girls have thinner hair in this area, but Caylee's was pretty much grown in and then it was getting thinner again...... I watched almost every video on youtube. This is why I'm sure KC was drugging Caylee before Juneish and why I think the 31 days is probably a lie. I think KC went from periodically drugging Caylee when needed to drugging her full time after KC left the A house June 16th. That's why no one ever saw her again, but I don't necessarily think she died on the 16th. I think it may have been the 18th, 19th. But that is just one line of my thinking :crazy:. This case keeps me on my toes and with all the astrological information we are seeing, I'm rethinking my thinking ;)

Salem

Salem
12-02-2008, 09:39 PM
Respectfully snipped and comments added in green ~Hi Salem. June 15, 12:03:27 pm EDT has Pisces ruling the descendant. This chart could be read, using the 7th/descendant as the subject of the photo being taken for one of Caylee's places, and the 9th as the granddaughter. This makes sense to since Venus rules the grand child and is exalted in Pisces which also fits her being the natural ruler of that house.

At this point, things are changeable and unstable, mutable signs ruling the angles. But there is a fixed t-square that is not changeable. The fixed laws of the universe come into play here. Moon is at a critical degree, as well as Mars when this picture is taken. This is the photo of Caylee sitting on Great Grandpa's lap on Father's day. The t-square shows the empty part falling in the house of the grandchild so simply could be pointing out this fixed record of the child, Taurus showing tangible value. The critical degrees can show crisis but this was a lovely time, not crisis. It was a lovely time for Caylee but for CA only on the surface as there was tension between CA and her mother regarding the money KC stole and I sure there was tension over the need to keep the info from CA's father. The critical degrees are where the Lunar mansions change. Moon, the reflection of Sol, has outgrown her current space and must move into more appropriate quarters. But, Moon here, opposite the grand daughter could be capturing the absence of Caylee, already at this point. So there is an "empty part" in the house of the grandchild and now, possibly the Moon is capturing an absence of Caylee?
Moon's next major contact at this time is trine Uranus, again a potential accident or something quite unexpected or unusual. Would this be imminent or within a few hours/days? Moon will square Neptune at void.

This involvement also flavors this whole case, Neptune clouding things and making it quite hard to pin things down for sure. Pisces brings a lot of mystery and the non tangible. So that fits circumstantial evidence quite well. Virgo relates to all the fine details, breaking the whole down into its individual parts. Pisces synthesizes. The problem is, although the synthetic may seem to be a perfect copy of the original, it often is missing a vital component.... The square to Neptune could also point to a problem involving lies or confusion/lack of clarity, such as with someone that is senile, etc. But could this also be CA's mother feeling confused over CA's stories regarding KC's theft? Could CA have been stringing a bunch of nonsense together to cover for her daughter?

Now, Uranus rules the 12th of the 7th. This is the house of suicide or being hidden and imprisoned, not murder. Could "hidden and imprisoned" be time Caylee was spending in the trunk of the car?

Scorpio is known to inflict pain upon self at times. Could this relate to KC or CA bringing their problems upon themselves? CA by enabling KC and KC by her lies and stealing? I can't help but notice how often Pisces is showing up int the charts.

The daughter, Casey, shown by Saturn in the 12th is in mutual reception with her daughter, Caylee, shown by Venus ruling the 5th from the 5th or the 9th house. The reception is through triplicity. This isn't the very strongest reception but is reception just the same. It's interesting that this dignity is only by day. My thought is that this shows KC as the daytime care taker and Cindy as the night time caretaker. At night they are both peregrine, in foreign territory. But, Venus welcomes Saturn into her Libra home, treating him as an honored guest so clearly they receive each other with dignity.
The relationship between Cindy and her daughter would be shown by Mercury and Saturn. They have a relationship also, taking turns ruling air, Saturn by day, Mercury by night. I'm sure back when Casey was an events coordinator KC was never an "events coordinator" she took pictures for Kodak and then was fired. She did work as a "shot girl" after she met TL she mostly worked at night when the events were happening. But, this could also show that Casey took care of Caylee during the day and Cindy did quite often at night. There is a mixed reception between them too. Cindy receives Casey through triplicity or air, and Casey receives Cindy through being ruler, having exaltation and ruling term. That is rather heavy on the side of Casey receiving Cindy but isn't that usually the case between a parent and child? I would say they are receptive to each other but on different terms or for different reasons. There is no reason, looking at this chart to think that they have huge problems that can't be resolved. But, Saturn, Casey could be a thief, being peregrine. I think the evidence shows that KC is a thief.

Mars is the natural ruler of the 8th, death, in the 6th of the photo subject, the 7th, and very near the fatal position of Moon's and nodes. The South node is the release point. Keep in mind that Mars rules the 12th of the grandchild. This release is less than a degree away. So the photo subject (Caylee) is about to be released here? There are certain degrees that are said to be connected to suicide. One is the 26th degree of Gemini which is 25Gem01 to 26Gem. Sun is only 6 minutes away and Venus has just left there. Sun is Caylee's ruler and Venus disposites her Moon. In fact, using a sunrise chart for Caylee, her 4Libra Moon is very near the turned 8th house here. The Arabic part of danger, here is at critical 17Gem high in the sky. The ruler Rx shows it is likely a repeated danger. I'm not understanding who the suicide would be pointing to -- KC or CA? Also, I think the evidence we know of at this point would indicate a repeated danger to Caylee?

Moon about to trine Uranus could also show her going for her daughter's throat, Uranus ruling the 2nd of the 5th house daughter. Okay - this is CA towards KC That would only be a couple hours away though and Casey couldn't have gotten back home until over 6 hours later. No, it looks to me like the fight was before, as Moon squared Mars which could bring some major anger (Mars) with a child (Leo) over money (Scorpio). It looks like Cindy was trying to confront her about it with the call at 3:35 pm but the call was only half a minute. Moon was trine Neptune Uranus at that time. At 5:06pm it she called home as Moon was in contact with Neptune. She only talked for 3 minutes though, then her phone was quite for 2 hours. She was still at Tony's at that time though. Either the fight took place before the trip to the nursing home or after she got home late evening, and it only lasted a couple minutes. She was texting or talking on the phone non stop every few minutes so I don't see how there could have been a big brawl until maybe 3:30 am but she was back on the phone at 7:45 so she had to sleep sometime. I'm not too sure there was a big fight that day. My understanding of the fight was after CA and Caylee got home in the afternoon, but before GA returned home from work around 10:00 p.m.ish I could be wrong and will need to verify this info.

Again, if this isn't how it happened the other 6th house potential is a servant of some kind, someone that provides a service, like a nanny. I am not seeing death at the hands of the mother here. In fact there is no contact shown here between Moon and the potential rulers of mother of either 7th or 9th house Caylee. The same is true if we gave her the ascendant. Cindy's daughter is near crisis, Saturn being near critical 4Virgo, but that doesn't happen yet. Moon will square but not till after moving out of the sign of death. And we know she didn't return home till later that night. The natal asteroid Caylee sits on the midheaven but transiting Caylee is in the 4th of this chart, which is not only the grave, but the 8th of the 9th house. So does this mean that Caylee is gone at this point? Perhaps we could cast a chart for the first call on her phone after she got back in that area for more of the story. The part of servants is appropriately in the 6th house, at 14Aq and Mercury recently made a trine. Rx indicates it is a repeat contact. Mercury is the natural ruler of servants or employees, as is Virgo. Could this indicate that KC had help from someone she considers an employee/servant? As much as it seems too hard to believe Virgo keeps coming up for some reason.

Connie

What does Rx mean?

This was a hard post to snip, I didn't want to cut out anything crucial to my questions and/or comments. I think a chart on that first phone call would be very interesting.

Salem

Tuba
12-02-2008, 09:44 PM
Despite the cover story attributing the lack of jail visits to attorney advice or privacy invasion, no one's buying. It's time to examine the charts of the family for estrangement.

Cindy's progressed Mars is now opposite the Neptune of her chart with KC's Pluto on that Neptune. KC's progressed Mars & Neptune are conjunct. That interworking is the betrayal. Severe and deadly as the treachery was, Cindy did not reject her daughter. She submerged herself in the denial of the crime. But Pluto undermined the affection and trust Cindy had invested in KC in its long term square of natal Mars at 28° Pisces. Cindy's Mars conjoins KC's Sun and Pluto has been eroding and debilitating the relationship. Cindy's progressed Venus is 3° Cancer, so Pluto continues to rend her emotions but this has to do with her beloved Caylee.

Lee has a set of planets well aligned with his sister's for the most part. But KC was born with a Moon-Venus square and Lee's Mars afflicts that complex, opposing her Moon and squaring her Venus. He probably took a dim view of some of her mothering but I think the Neptune of KC conjunct his south lunar node has alienated him through her duplicity. It fails to amuse. He is aghast. He was born with Venus conjunct Uranus so broken bonds are a familiarity. KC's Saturn widely afflicts that combination. Hurtful. There is more to come, however, as Mars and the Full Moon ahead crosses his Neptune and with Saturn squaring.

Mars in George's chart has progressed to mid Virgo where it opposes an important mid-point in KC's chart, Mars/Saturn. She is indeed that person he raised who could kill another. Her Saturn is precisely square his natal Venus & node (and Caylee's Uranus). Not only is he suffering the transit of Saturn through his Sun Sign but also over his progressed Mars. His wife has Saturn conjunct KC's Mars-Uranus and now the Full Moon will thrum that Saturn with Mars transiting on it and Saturn transiting in square. Will George be able to hold her up? Although he has not relinquished hopes for his granddaughter, I believe he does see KC for what she is, finally. The realization came hard.

Salem
12-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Oh Tuba - so very sad for this family and baby Caylee. So sad.

Salem

Tuba
12-02-2008, 10:08 PM
Oh Tuba - so very sad for this family and baby Caylee. So sad.

Salem

It is, undescribable.

kh1967
12-02-2008, 10:44 PM
Thank you so much for this info. It is remarkable that a family this disfunctional has actually stayed together this long. Although maybe it isnt. Perhaps only themselves could understand only themselves. And perhaps this is why they really did not have any close knit friends/families to support them. If that make any sense?

Sparky
12-02-2008, 11:15 PM
Me too! It's frustrating sometimes not knowing. Wish I knew the name of that subdivision and park.

UPDATE LOCATION INFO:

I looked up area on MapQuest and saw that subdivision is on the West side of the intersection of S. Semoran and Lake Underhill -- just below the 408. Very interesting location!!



Hey Beck,

The subdivision is MONTEREY SUBDIVISION and it is DEMETREE PARK and DEMETREE POND.

This is located between the 408 and Curry Ford Rd. Several ways to access the Subdivision. From 436, Lake Underhill Rd, Curry Ford or Gaston Foster.

Hope this helps. I know the area well.:)

Anything else about the area just ask.

beckaroozie
12-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Hey Beck,

The subdivision is MONTEREY SUBDIVISION and it is DEMETREE PARK and DEMETREE POND.

This is located between the 408 and Curry Ford Rd. Several ways to access the Subdivision. From 436, Lake Underhill Rd, Curry Ford or Gaston Foster.

Hope this helps. I know the area well.:)

Anything else about the area just ask.

Thanks very much Sparky! Are there areas there that are secluded where a body could be hidden? Do you have any idea if LE has searched that area?

FifthEssence
12-03-2008, 01:12 AM
Despite the cover story attributing the lack of jail visits to attorney advice or privacy invasion, no one's buying. It's time to examine the charts of the family for estrangement.

Cindy's progressed Mars is now opposite the Neptune of her chart with KC's Pluto on that Neptune. KC's progressed Mars & Neptune are conjunct. That interworking is the betrayal. Severe and deadly as the treachery was, Cindy did not reject her daughter. She submerged herself in the denial of the crime. But Pluto undermined the affection and trust Cindy had invested in KC in its long term square of natal Mars at 28° Pisces. Cindy's Mars conjoins KC's Sun and Pluto has been eroding and debilitating the relationship. Cindy's progressed Venus is 3° Cancer, so Pluto continues to rend her emotions but this has to do with her beloved Caylee.

Lee has a set of planets well aligned with his sister's for the most part. But KC was born with a Moon-Venus square and Lee's Mars afflicts that complex, opposing her Moon and squaring her Venus. He probably took a dim view of some of her mothering but I think the Neptune of KC conjunct his south lunar node has alienated him through her duplicity. It fails to amuse. He is aghast. He was born with Venus conjunct Uranus so broken bonds are a familiarity. KC's Saturn widely afflicts that combination. Hurtful. There is more to come, however, as Mars and the Full Moon ahead crosses his Neptune and with Saturn squaring.

Mars in George's chart has progressed to mid Virgo where it opposes an important mid-point in KC's chart, Mars/Saturn. She is indeed that person he raised who could kill another. Her Saturn is precisely square his natal Venus & node (and Caylee's Uranus). Not only is he suffering the transit of Saturn through his Sun Sign but also over his progressed Mars. His wife has Saturn conjunct KC's Mars-Uranus and now the Full Moon will thrum that Saturn with Mars transiting on it and Saturn transiting in square. Will George be able to hold her up? Although he has not relinquished hopes for his granddaughter, I believe he does see KC for what she is, finally. The realization came hard.


I can only imagine the intensity when the A's and KC are face to face again. Much time has passed since the last visit. They are slowly retreating. When she looks into their eyes, she's going to realize big time, she's ON HER OWN, regardless of what they say or how they act. 'Games up' in the minds of her parents and brother. In their hearts, they are way beyond KC's 'script'. Between her anger over this realization and the weight of the coming Full Moon, KC's going to be mighty stirred up.
Hopefully in one of her defensive rants, she accidently spits out at least a 'half-truth' that gives us another clue as to where Caylee might be located.

quoting TUBA from an earlier post of 10/10/08 #326
The Full Moon on Dec. 13 and then again the planets of the following Tuesday afflict Casey's chart so powerfully that she may want to tear those pages off the calendar. The Sun will be on her Mars-Uranus square her Mercury with Saturn also square her Mercury and the Moon completing a Mutable Grand Square: all four points mutually afflicting one another. Also called a Mutable Grand Cross. By Dec. 16, Mars and Saturn will move even closer. Mars will be 21:34 Sag and Saturn 21:32 Virgo at zero hours of the 16th. Fighting and failing, fighting and failing. Nerves on wires. Anger that cannot be contained.

Zoe Bogart
12-03-2008, 03:33 AM
And those photos were viciously deleted per Jesse G.'s testimony. To paraphrase, JG stated KC had hundreds of photos of Caylee on her Myspace page at any given time; most of which were deleted prior to Cindy's phone calls to LE on 7/15.

As any woman who has ever dumped a BF knows, one of the first things we women do when we end a relationship is tear down the photos because we don't want reminders hanging around, bringing us down. A psychiatrist on NG drew this exact parallel when NG asked her why KC may have removed the photos of Caylee on her Myspace page.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Interesting. I lost my son to cancer a dozen years ago and although I treasure the many pictures I have of him, I don't display many. Too many would bring back too much of the pain at one time. My daughter asked me once why I rarely use his pictures as my avatar or as my computer's wallpaper, and my answer was because when I use my computer I don't want to be reminded of the pain. He was handsome and I do love to see his pictures, but only when I can "handle" it. I'm content to use pictures of famous people because I'm not emotionally involved with them, or inanimate objects. I don't use the pics of my deceased pets or other deceased family members for the same reason.

In Casey's case, I would think out of sight meant out of mind. She either didn't want to be reminded of what happened or she didn't want to be reminded there ever was a Caylee. Therefore, she deleted all Caylee's pictures. Why do it just before Cindy arrived? Interesting timing, isn't it? Was she tipped off?

Just for the record, I do have some of my son's pics stored on my computer and can click on them when I want to see him. :)


Despite the cover story attributing the lack of jail visits to attorney advice or privacy invasion, no one's buying. It's time to examine the charts of the family for estrangement.


I've been wondering about that. No visits in how long? I can't remember. Have they visited her since the indictment? I don't recall hearing about that.

I'm thinking they are staying away for several reasons, but mostly, because they know the truth. Also, when Casey was first arrested in July, she didn't want any of them to visit. Later, she did request a visit from her dad on Aug 14th, I believe, but I don't know if he did. I know there were a few visits by family members in August. Can't recall how many.

Can anyone really blame Lee for distancing himself from the madness?

Zoe Bogart
12-03-2008, 03:48 AM
What does Rx mean?





It means Retrograde. It can be written as Rx or R or r. It's when a planet appears to be going backward in relation to Earth. In actuality, it's not really moving backwards, but it's an "optical illusion" due to the planet movements and their proximity to Earth. The planets don't move at the same rate of speed as each other, so when a faster planet passes a slower planet, the slower one appears to slow down or "go backwards".

It's like two cars on the highway. One is chugging along at 55 MPH in the right lane. Along comes another vehicle at 70 MPH in the left lane. As the 70mph car catches up to the one going 55, they appear even, together. But as the 70mph car moves ahead, car 55 appear to be falling back (going backwards), especially if you're watching it in the rear view mirror from car 70. Of course, car 55 isn't really backing up, it's just being overtaken and then passed up by car 70.

I'm sure someone else can explain it more clearly. I'm a bit rusty.

Zoe Bogart
12-03-2008, 03:55 AM
Ohhhhhh - thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been saying this for months. I even sent an email to OCSO. I know little girls have thinner hair in this area, but Caylee's was pretty much grown in and then it was getting thinner again...... I watched almost every video on youtube. This is why I'm sure KC was drugging Caylee before Juneish and why I think the 31 days is probably a lie. I think KC went from periodically drugging Caylee when needed to drugging her full time after KC left the A house June 16th. That's why no one ever saw her again, but I don't necessarily think she died on the 16th. I think it may have been the 18th, 19th. But that is just one line of my thinking :crazy:. This case keeps me on my toes and with all the astrological information we are seeing, I'm rethinking my thinking ;)

Salem


You might be right about that. At nearly three, her hair should have been fairly thick like it was in the coloring video.

I know some girls have think temples. Both my sister and a niece had extremely thin temples until they were about 2 yrs. old. But by age 3, the hair had grown in nicely. Both of them had blondish/light brown hair. Usually, the lighter colored hair presents thin at the temples.

When she's sitting on Papa's lap, it's quite thin. One could argue it's from being pulled into a ponytail, but I'm not so sure about that, especially compared with other videos. Poor baby.



Originally Posted by beckaroozie
Me too! It's frustrating sometimes not knowing. Wish I knew the name of that subdivision and park.

UPDATE LOCATION INFO:

I looked up area on MapQuest and saw that subdivision is on the West side of the intersection of S. Semoran and Lake Underhill -- just below the 408. Very interesting location!!


Originally posted by Sparky

Hey Beck,

The subdivision is MONTEREY SUBDIVISION and it is DEMETREE PARK and DEMETREE POND.

This is located between the 408 and Curry Ford Rd. Several ways to access the Subdivision. From 436, Lake Underhill Rd, Curry Ford or Gaston Foster.

Hope this helps. I know the area well.

Anything else about the area just ask.


Whoa! Wait a minute!!!! That's the location I found a few weeks ago. Demetree Park! I didn't have photos. Thanks for posting them, Beck.

Nearly every location I've pinpointed WNW has been near 408. Demetree Park was an area I was very interested in, but no one else seemed to think anything of it. I posted the location maps in a thread or two, maybe in one of the astrology threads and I think also in cocoamama's thread, too. I wanted someone to check it out.

Thanks a bunch for the pics, beck.

ZubenElSchemali
12-03-2008, 06:13 AM
Good morning Salem and all. The Moon to Uranus upheaval, unexpected explosion or sudden event, in real time was building potential for a little over 2 hours. Cindy would have been driving home around then. She paid a toll about 2:30 I believe. So this would be showing accident potential on the highway but it could also have played out by Caylee having a potty accident, Moon in Scorpio. In horary timing, Moon is indicating years and her speed is average. I have seen multiple time units play out though. The actual horary time would be just over a year from Moon to Uranus with the possibility of 1 hour, day, week or month. With the mutual reception going on, this creates the potential for both ease and trouble, Uranus being trine but square Moon through the MR.

Could Cindy have been confused over the money issue? Well, the one snapping the picture at this time is the most logical and fact fill person there. Mercury is strong with dignity and has all the facts. Rx indicates she is going back over the details that happened in the past but not confused. Uranus, grandma or grandpa could be confused though, with this mutual reception. I didn't see any indication that the grandmother was there in the video, but she may have been.

"Could "hidden and imprisoned" be time Caylee was spending in the trunk of the car?" I hadn't thought of that before. Aquariaus is an air sign, a square could block the air. Aquarius rules air craft along with combustion engines so I might put cars there too but usually think of Mercury or Gemini for that, Jupiter and Sag for other people's cars. But I wouldn't rule out the trunk of the car. Chiron could indicate being wounded too. He mixed poisons for healing but they could also wound as he found out. But Uranus or Aquarius usually indicates accidental which was the case when Chiron wounded himself, but also deliberate rebellion at times. Revolution comes from Aquairian stuff.

Yes it could indicate the parties involved bringing the problems on themselves. The 12th house indicates self undoing. Moon in the sign of other people's money sits in the daughter's 11th/goals but the sign of truth sits on Casey's 12th and Jupiter is fallen so potentially not being honest. Saturn is making an 8th house/other people's money inconjunct to the part of fortune so this theme is showing up.

From what I see with the tangible evidence she was only fired because she didn't show up after maternity leave. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am not convinced yet that this more recent boss, shown in the emails, is not real. The email address came back invalid but a good computer person could have possibly created a fake email address. The other persons this email for work was sent to were valid addresses that were no longer active so I'm sure these people exist but I see no follow up by the police. Either they didn't do it or they are hiding the results. I'm thinking she was doing some kind of work that wasn't legit in some way. I'd have to look at the chart for that email to gain insight though. "Events coordinator" could be an escort, etc. The 6th house from the 5th in this chart could imply this work. Gemini could be an escort, then we have the female, Venus in 26* which to me usually shows a secret. She is escorting the male significator, Sun. Venus is the lady of the night here, setting after the Sun, being called Hesperis by the ancients. She is Lucifer as the morning star.

Regarding suicide, the 12th is also imprisonment of various kinds. If Casey did have some kind of employment that was illegal she committed her own suicide by having to keep it secret. It is also possible, if Caylee was taken, that she might sacrifice herself rather than potentially endanger Caylee. I know I would. I might give hints but no facts that would endanger her life. I must say that my observation with Cancer Moon is that they will withdraw into themselves and not show emotion when threatened. Cancer is full of emotion, even more so with Pisces Sun, but they can appear cold (balanced with Capricorn on the other side) if they feel that showing their emotion might be too painful. So, I can't automatically judge Casey's apparent lack of emotion on camera. These are the extreme circumstances that would cause Cancer Moon to withdraw into her shell.

"My understanding of the fight was after CA and Caylee got home in the afternoon, but before GA returned home from work around 10:00 p.m.ish I could be wrong and will need to verify this info." Do you mean on the 15th? Let me know if you find out anything because Casey couldn't have been home much before George that day and she was on the phone nonstop. She couldn't have had more than a few minutes anytime that night to fight. Look at the cell records for that day. Casey didn't get home till late evening according to the pings.

At first when I saw this empty spot in the house of the grandaughter, I thought maybe her spirit, God light had left showing she was about to die. But I don't see that lack of light in her picture. I wrote a couple of people with good eyes to see and they both agree, her God light was still present in the aura. One said that the Holy spirit may have been preparing little Caylee for what was to come. I'm not sure there.

As for the servant/employee, Mercury, expecially in Gemini usually indicates more than one. Now, in the early news reports I heard that there are many, many ZFG, just in Florida but only one was focused on even though Casey looked at her picture and said this wasn't her. Why have we not hear of checks into any other AFG? Another possibility, what if, (just bear with me) this person was working with a human trafficking ring? If I were to pick 3 states to center this kind of activity in, I would choose California, Texas and Florida. I am seeing a connection to New York and perhaps Puerto Rico. Pluto has made his final return to the sign of international connections and is moving forward again now. Pluto is my number one choice for human trafficking. Perhaps this lack of follow up on who this person is that Casey said called herself ZFG is why I can't yet believe she is completely lying. They also haven't showed any way Casey would have had access to those guest cards at Sawgrass. They wouldn't just leave that information laying around. If she is close by, I've already stated the direction elsewhere, NNW or SSE within a few miles but I don't see her in water.

I hope I addressed your questions. I'm off to work now but I'll check back after my reading is complete.

Love & Light
Connie

aeli2468
12-03-2008, 08:12 AM
From what I see with the tangible evidence she was only fired because she didn't show up after maternity leave. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am not convinced yet that this more recent boss, shown in the emails, is not real. The email address came back invalid but a good computer person could have possibly created a fake email address. The other persons this email for work was sent to were valid addresses that were no longer active so I'm sure these people exist but I see no follow up by the police. Either they didn't do it or they are hiding the results. I'm thinking she was doing some kind of work that wasn't legit in some way. I'd have to look at the chart for that email to gain insight though. "Events coordinator" could be an escort, etc.

I don't think the emails were real for one reason - she used her LE "boyfriend" TR's name in one of the 'work' emails. See page 152 in attached link. TR******775@yahoo.com. I highly doubt he was working an event (or with an escort service) at the same time he was with LE, but I guess there is a small chance of that.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

Also note that every single one of the emails is from a free account - yahoo, hotmail, or gmail. Now I know alot of people use those, but I would think at least one of the 12 people in there would have something else.
~elizabeth

beckaroozie
12-03-2008, 08:48 AM
I don't think the emails were real for one reason - she used her LE "boyfriend" TR's name in one of the 'work' emails. See page 152 in attached link. TR******775@yahoo.com. I highly doubt he was working an event (or with an escort service) at the same time he was with LE, but I guess there is a small chance of that.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

Also note that every single one of the emails is from a free account - yahoo, hotmail, or gmail. Now I know alot of people use those, but I would think at least one of the 12 people in there would have something else.
~elizabeth


LE also checked with IT at Universal and the extension on the email has NEVER been used there according to them. Also, the person who sent the emails (East Coast VP of Marketing) doesn't exist.

Soulscape
12-03-2008, 09:01 AM
Interesting. I lost my son to cancer a dozen years ago and although I treasure the many pictures I have of him, I don't display many. Too many would bring back too much of the pain at one time. My daughter asked me once why I rarely use his pictures as my avatar or as my computer's wallpaper, and my answer was because when I use my computer I don't want to be reminded of the pain. He was handsome and I do love to see his pictures, but only when I can "handle" it. I'm content to use pictures of famous people because I'm not emotionally involved with them, or inanimate objects. I don't use the pics of my deceased pets or other deceased family members for the same reason.

In Casey's case, I would think out of sight meant out of mind. She either didn't want to be reminded of what happened or she didn't want to be reminded there ever was a Caylee. Therefore, she deleted all Caylee's pictures. Why do it just before Cindy arrived? Interesting timing, isn't it? Was she tipped off?


<Very Respectfully snipped & bolded...>

AK, I completely agree with you regarding removing pictures so as not to feel the pain. While I have not experienced anything nearly as emotionally devastating & heart-wrenching as you, there have been times I've had to remove all reminders of a lost loved one (even beloved pet), because I couldn't stand feeling the pain.

I think your paragraph above which I highlighted in red speaks to exactly what I was thinking when I wrote the "viciously deleted" post.

Thanks,
Soulscape

waltzingmatilda
12-03-2008, 09:27 AM
aksleuth, my condolences for your loss and the pain you feel. My chidren are grown and I can not fathom having to go through losing a child. Peace be with you, WS friend. Hugs, 'tilda

beckaroozie
12-03-2008, 09:34 AM
You might be right about that. At nearly three, her hair should have been fairly thick like it was in the coloring video.

I know some girls have think temples. Both my sister and a niece had extremely thin temples until they were about 2 yrs. old. But by age 3, the hair had grown in nicely. Both of them had blondish/light brown hair. Usually, the lighter colored hair presents thin at the temples.

When she's sitting on Papa's lap, it's quite thin. One could argue it's from being pulled into a ponytail, but I'm not so sure about that, especially compared with other videos. Poor baby.









Whoa! Wait a minute!!!! That's the location I found a few weeks ago. Demetree Park! I didn't have photos. Thanks for posting them, Beck.

Nearly every location I've pinpointed WNW has been near 408. Demetree Park was an area I was very interested in, but no one else seemed to think anything of it. I posted the location maps in a thread or two, maybe in one of the astrology threads and I think also in cocoamama's thread, too. I wanted someone to check it out.

Thanks a bunch for the pics, beck.




I know you did!!! I saw it during a search after I posted when I was searcing to see if TES or OCSO had searched there or mentioned it!! Turbothink added the info I posted here in the Psychic Impression thread too. I've just been posting more info there, since it didn't seem to be of interest in here right now. I put a copy of your original post into the Psychic thread, after I found it. I too think this all fits with the astro charts, the psychic impressions, as well as the scientific evidence so far...not to mention KC's PUERTO RICO connection. All of the names in that subdivision are Spanish and Puerto Rican. There's a San Juan Blvd. that one would have to take from Lake Underhill Road to get to the park. Telling her mother that Caylee may be in Puerto Rico, may be a 'BACKWARD CLUE' from KC that she's buried there. It's all posted in the psychic thread, so it's back on the front burner. :)

Salem
12-03-2008, 11:58 AM
(((((aksleuth))))) - I'm so sorry for your loss. I understand completely what you are saying about the pictures.

Thank you for answering my question about the retrograde (Rx). I was thinking it meant prescription :) and couldn't quite get the meaning of the symbol. Your explanation about the cars was perfect. I do understand about the optical illusion because one of the things I do (when I'm not driving) is watch cars that we pass in my sideview mirror (I know, silly huh) I also count all the big semi trucks if we are on the road too long.....

Salem

KAITLAND
12-03-2008, 12:27 PM
AKSleuth, My condolences to you on the loss of your beloved son. While I have lost many family members, I have never had to bear the terrible burden of losing a child. It is said this is the greatest loss one can suffer in life, even more than losing a spouse. My prayers are with you. My brother passed on about 5 years ago and I still do not display his picture either. Whenever I want to "see him", I pull out the photos. And I only do this when I am feeling positive, to see him makes me smile, but I cannot do this on a routine basis. He left the earth when he was far to young to go and I still miss him.
Our normal grieving-feelings just illustrate how lacking in sorrow KC truly is. Yes, she destroyed pictures to remove reminders of Caylee - but to what end....most likely to remove traces that she existed and to remove reminders of what she (KC) did!! Not to alleviate her sorrow. I do not think any loving mother , cancer moon or not, afflicted horoscope or not, could ever withhold the river of tears that would be shed over losing a 2-1/2 year old child. Her lack of sorrow, her lack of remorse shows she has a severe psychopathology. There are untold numbers of people all over the world who were born on the same day as KC, within the same hour. They share some of her challenges. But most likely the majority of them have taken the higher path of Pisces/neptune to advance their spirituality and creativity and compassion. Maybe they utilize the Sagittarius mars/uranus to advance causes of the underdog. There are many paths in each horoscope winding through the strengths and weakness of the signs and planets. We have free will. It is a balance of nature/nurture/stars. Casey's nurturing was challenged through the moon in cancer opposite neptune in capricorn - and this represents not only her ability to nurture others, but the influence of HER MOTHER. CA's moon is even more severely afflicted.
It is said that sociopaths show signs of their emotional disconnect in early childhood. Since no family members/friends have spoken out, we have no inside view of KC as a child. I suspect there were many telling signs all along, and they got swept under neptune's rug.

Clock's Tickin
12-03-2008, 01:37 PM
I don't know how to type this short and sweet. My psychic friend (God that sounds like a bad commercial) called me to thank me with sarcasm for getting her started on this. I had asked about the "birds" because I worried about vultures and she assured me than that they were not carrion but did not elaborate. Out of the blue today, the phrase popped into her head that they are "go-zillions of begger birds that steal your fries at McDonald's". It seemed odd enough to her to call and tell me. She said that's really the only new thing she's come up with. I asked about the "hill" again but she really couldn't add anything except to say that since Caylee is so small it wouldn't take much to be a hill...an "embankment" even...

Zoe Bogart
12-03-2008, 07:03 PM
Regarding our earlier posts about Demetree Park:
I know you did!!! I saw it during a search after I posted when I was searcing to see if TES or OCSO had searched there or mentioned it!! Turbothink added the info I posted here in the Psychic Impression thread too. I've just been posting more info there, since it didn't seem to be of interest in here right now. I put a copy of your original post into the Psychic thread, after I found it. I too think this all fits with the astro charts, the psychic impressions, as well as the scientific evidence so far...not to mention KC's PUERTO RICO connection. All of the names in that subdivision are Spanish and Puerto Rican. There's a San Juan Blvd. that one would have to take from Lake Underhill Road to get to the park. Telling her mother that Caylee may be in Puerto Rico, may be a 'BACKWARD CLUE' from KC that she's buried there. It's all posted in the psychic thread, so it's back on the front burner. :)


Thanks for letting me know. I'll hop right over to that thread to see if anything new has developed.

The PR angle might be correct. We know KC takes true stories (usually from others) and bends them to fit her fantasies. I'm wondering if her "plans" to visit PR with Amy and the others actually meant she was planning to visit the park area?

Thanks for the condolences about my son. I used personal experience as an example for a clearer understanding of KC's actions, not that her actions coincide with mine, or anyone elses. I lost a brother and a husband, too, plus many other beloved family members and never did I or anyone else act like Casey or her family. The difference being that no family member was responsible for any of the deaths. Two of my friends were brutally and viciously murdered, they were missing for several days, and later found. No family members were involved in their deaths but the murderers have never been charged. That's the closest I've ever come to experiencing anything remotely like the cases on this site. So finding Caylee and other missing people is important to me.

AquariusEssence, no offense meant, but reading your explanations for the charts you made was almost like reading about another case. Your explanations were quite different from what we've been seeing. Not a bad thing, just different. It's good to have another angle. I can't grasp the gang theory at this time because of so many reasons but mainly because of the decomposition in the car. Was it "the real" Zenaida in there? Was it someone else? Also, KC's demeanor doesn't fit with anything in this case except the theory she is a cold-hearted witch. However, I enjoyed reading your explanations.

technicalconfusion
12-03-2008, 07:30 PM
I don't know how to type this short and sweet. My psychic friend (God that sounds like a bad commercial) called me to thank me with sarcasm for getting her started on this. I had asked about the "birds" because I worried about vultures and she assured me than that they were not carrion but did not elaborate. Out of the blue today, the phrase popped into her head that they are "go-zillions of begger birds that steal your fries at McDonald's". It seemed odd enough to her to call and tell me. She said that's really the only new thing she's come up with. I asked about the "hill" again but she really couldn't add anything except to say that since Caylee is so small it wouldn't take much to be a hill...an "embankment" even...

Crows. Or seagulls. But in this area I would say crows.

beckaroozie
12-03-2008, 08:03 PM
Regarding our earlier posts about Demetree Park:



Thanks for letting me know. I'll hop right over to that thread to see if anything new has developed.

The PR angle might be correct. We know KC takes true stories (usually from others) and bends them to fit her fantasies. I'm wondering if her "plans" to visit PR with Amy and the others actually meant she was planning to visit the park area?

Thanks for the condolences about my son. I used personal experience as an example for a clearer understanding of KC's actions, not that her actions coincide with mine, or anyone elses. I lost a brother and a husband, too, plus many other beloved family members and never did I or anyone else act like Casey or her family. The difference being that no family member was responsible for any of the deaths. Two of my friends were brutally and viciously murdered, they were missing for several days, and later found. No family members were involved in their deaths but the murderers have never been charged. That's the closest I've ever come to experiencing anything remotely like the cases on this site. So finding Caylee and other missing people is important to me.

AquariusEssence, no offense meant, but reading your explanations for the charts you made was almost like reading about another case. Your explanations were quite different from what we've been seeing. Not a bad thing, just different. It's good to have another angle. I can't grasp the gang theory at this time because of so many reasons but mainly because of the decomposition in the car. Was it "the real" Zenaida in there? Was it someone else? Also, KC's demeanor doesn't fit with anything in this case except the theory she is a cold-hearted witch. However, I enjoyed reading your explanations.


I think she was stressing because she KNEW she wasn't going to be able to go to PR because of Caylee (in her mind anyway). Doh - you don't work, you can't take exotic vacations...sheesh.

Tuba
12-03-2008, 08:04 PM
Hello to the Centaur. Saturn tries to apply brakes but we are now in the time of free ranging expansion. The Supreme Court and all lower courts fall under Sagittarius. Abstract theories build readily but cry out for concrete specific referents. Rather than merely knowing or accepting at face value, we are cultivating understanding now. Often examples are a great assist in that process. A lawyer may tell us what happened but the evidence makes the recounting intelligible and clear.

There is a need to judge, interpret, translate and formulate. We consider other dimensions of the problems before us. Future proceedings are emphasized in Sagittarius. Other jury pools, change of venue and travel are topics of the day. This is an idealistic Sign and moralising is commonplace.

Gather in all the loose and dangling facts and discoveries and put them into a solid cohesive summation of what happened in this case.

Salem
12-03-2008, 08:07 PM
Crows. Or seagulls. But in this area I would say crows.

What about those little black starling birds? I'm on the opposite coast so I am unfamiliar with FL's birds. I have crows here and they steal my walnuts :) I used to be a little afraid of them, but now they are just my pesky neighbors. Seagulls can be fairly aggressive about those french fries, but Orlando is a little inland, right?

Salem

FifthEssence
12-03-2008, 08:19 PM
The Astro Crime Calendar has Officially been launched.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3014859&postcount=1

Soulscape
12-03-2008, 09:26 PM
The Astro Crime Calendar has Officially been launched.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3014859&postcount=1


FifthEssence, this is a thoroughly awesome accomplishment, and you pulled it off so quickly! Thank you for all your hard work & dedication. What a wonderful addition to Websleuths!!!

Kudos & Love,
Soulscape

cocoamom
12-03-2008, 09:29 PM
Tuba - sent you a PM with JB's Date of Birth!

Tuba
12-03-2008, 10:08 PM
The birthday comments about Jose are embedded in the Astro Crimes Calendar at his birthday on October 17. Check it out, Cocoamom!

cocoamom
12-03-2008, 10:52 PM
The birthday comments about Jose are embedded in the Astro Crimes Calendar at his birthday on October 17. Check it out, Cocoamom!

Seems to fit quite well! Sorry no way to find time of birth! Anyone have place of birth or at least state of birth? I may be able to get it that way...

FifthEssence
12-03-2008, 11:20 PM
Seems to fit quite well! Sorry no way to find time of birth! Anyone have place of birth or at least state of birth? I may be able to get it that way...


NEW YORK...city/town unknown

technicalconfusion
12-03-2008, 11:24 PM
What about those little black starling birds? I'm on the opposite coast so I am unfamiliar with FL's birds. I have crows here and they steal my walnuts :) I used to be a little afraid of them, but now they are just my pesky neighbors. Seagulls can be fairly aggressive about those french fries, but Orlando is a little inland, right?

Salem

Yes, Orlando is inland. Now, when I was a kid, certain times of the year the seagulls would migrate to the dump - you could see millions of them in the air, heading from the beach to the dump.

I don't live on this flightpath anymore: I don't even know if they still head to the dump.

I'm in South Florida, we have tons of crows. They'll steal your french fries in the parking lot of Mcdonalds. Never seen a starling, can't comment there.

KAITLAND
12-04-2008, 12:43 AM
NEW YORK...city/town unknown

Hi Fifth - I used Manhattan (as a default place) and sunrise chart 7:14a.m. on 10/17/68. Sun and Libra rising gives that pleasant, soft spoken demeanor, with Leo moon for a little ego....! Kait

Salem
12-04-2008, 01:42 AM
Hi Fifth - I used Manhattan (as a default place) and sunrise chart 7:14a.m. on 10/17/68. Sun and Libra rising gives that pleasant, soft spoken demeanor, with Leo moon for a little ego....! Kait

I think this fits perfectly!

Salem

beckaroozie
12-04-2008, 06:28 AM
FifthEssence, this is a thoroughly awesome accomplishment, and you pulled it off so quickly! Thank you for all your hard work & dedication. What a wonderful addition to Websleuths!!!

Kudos & Love,
Soulscape

The calendar is fantastic!! Thanks so much for your work Soul and all of the astrologers for the fantastic charts and interpretations!

ZubenElSchemali
12-04-2008, 07:34 PM
I don't think the emails were real for one reason - she used her LE "boyfriend" TR's name in one of the 'work' emails. See page 152 in attached link. TR******775@yahoo.com. I highly doubt he was working an event (or with an escort service) at the same time he was with LE, but I guess there is a small chance of that.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

Also note that every single one of the emails is from a free account - yahoo, hotmail, or gmail. Now I know alot of people use those, but I would think at least one of the 12 people in there would have something else.
~elizabeth

Hi. I only use my yahoo mail account for my clients and business. Many do. I use my server mail for my personal mail. I just asked the guys at geekstogo.com if someone was carrying out an illicit operation, could they potentially set up a mail sub account at universal.com that the server wouldn't be aware of by hacking in. The answer was yes, if the person knew what he was doing. Now, unless we have reason to believe that LE ha withheld further investigation there from the document release, and can ignore the detectives summary that she is lying about working for this company, he didn't even open up and look at the full header which is how he would have to begin to track down the real sender. Whether Casey is guilty or not, this should have been done before they judge her a complete liar. The same with the nanny's name. If there are over 100 with that name they surely should have checked into more than one.

quote from BHowett: "Well… I wouldn’t say easily, and in most cases all emails are log/saved on the server. With out saying too much there are several other ways I have seen criminals use to mask email address, and I am inclined to believe that if someone had the knowledge to hack into Universal, bypass security, and add a email sub-account, they would know the other much easier ways to mask email addresses."

technicalconfusion
12-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Hi. I only use my yahoo mail account for my clients and business. Many do. I use my server mail for my personal mail. I just asked the guys at geekstogo.com if someone was carrying out an illicit operation, could they potentially set up a mail sub account at universal.com that the server wouldn't be aware of by hacking in. The answer was yes, if the person knew what he was doing. Now, unless we have reason to believe that LE ha withheld further investigation there from the document release, and can ignore the detectives summary that she is lying about working for this company, he didn't even open up and look at the full header which is how he would have to begin to track down the real sender. Whether Casey is guilty or not, this should have been done before they judge her a complete liar. The same with the nanny's name. If there are over 100 with that name they surely should have checked into more than one.

quote from BHowett: "Well… I wouldn’t say easily, and in most cases all emails are log/saved on the server. With out saying too much there are several other ways I have seen criminals use to mask email address, and I am inclined to believe that if someone had the knowledge to hack into Universal, bypass security, and add a email sub-account, they would know the other much easier ways to mask email addresses."


The full headers are included in the docs. In the first or second release.

No servers were hacked. It is extremely easy to fake emails.

TURBOTHINK
12-04-2008, 09:41 PM
What about those little black starling birds? I'm on the opposite coast so I am unfamiliar with FL's birds. I have crows here and they steal my walnuts :) I used to be a little afraid of them, but now they are just my pesky neighbors. Seagulls can be fairly aggressive about those french fries, but Orlando is a little inland, right?

Salem

Right in the middle of the state. At least 60 miles each way from a coast.

technicalconfusion
12-04-2008, 11:57 PM
Also note that every single one of the emails is from a free account - yahoo, hotmail, or gmail. Now I know alot of people use those, but I would think at least one of the 12 people in there would have something else.
~elizabeth

I agree. A legit business will not use yahoo or a free account for email. They may in the beginning, but it doesn't lend to a safe and warm feeling for their clients or customers. It's a credibility thing. And a big corporation would have no need to use yahoo, when they could set up their own servers with their domain name to do the mail thing. Heck - you don't need to be a huge corp, you just have to know how to do it.

Hi. I only use my yahoo mail account for my clients and business. Many do. I use my server mail for my personal mail. I just asked the guys at geekstogo.com if someone was carrying out an illicit operation, could they potentially set up a mail sub account at universal.com that the server wouldn't be aware of by hacking in. The answer was yes, if the person knew what he was doing. Now, unless we have reason to believe that LE ha withheld further investigation there from the document release, and can ignore the detectives summary that she is lying about working for this company, he didn't even open up and look at the full header which is how he would have to begin to track down the real sender. Whether Casey is guilty or not, this should have been done before they judge her a complete liar. The same with the nanny's name. If there are over 100 with that name they surely should have checked into more than one.

quote from BHowett: "Well… I wouldn’t say easily, and in most cases all emails are log/saved on the server. With out saying too much there are several other ways I have seen criminals use to mask email address, and I am inclined to believe that if someone had the knowledge to hack into Universal, bypass security, and add a email sub-account, they would know the other much easier ways to mask email addresses."

The full headers are included in the docs. In the first or second release.

No servers were hacked. It is extremely easy to fake emails.

I need to correct myself here. There were no full headers for events.universal .com

The cops were unable to get them (unless of course they subpoenaed yahoo for their maillogs and I would bet they did.) Yahoo doesn't send the full headers in a forwarded email, unless you are set up in options/general messages/messages to view the headers when you received email. If this is not set to Show all headers on incoming messages, you will only see a brief header on forwarded email. Very convenient for our Miss Anthony.

All KC did was change her from line a couple of times. Bam. Email that looks like it came from an "official" source.

ZubenElSchemali
12-05-2008, 03:24 AM
I agree. A legit business will not use yahoo or a free account for email. They may in the beginning, but it doesn't lend to a safe and warm feeling for their clients or customers. It's a credibility thing. And a big corporation would have no need to use yahoo, when they could set up their own servers with their domain name to do the mail thing. Heck - you don't need to be a huge corp, you just have to know how to do it.

I need to correct myself here. There were no full headers for events.universal .com

The cops were unable to get them (unless of course they subpoenaed yahoo for their maillogs and I would bet they did.) Yahoo doesn't send the full headers in a forwarded email, unless you are set up in options/general messages/messages to view the headers when you received email. If this is not set to Show all headers on incoming messages, you will only see a brief header on forwarded email. Very convenient for our Miss Anthony.

All KC did was change her from line a couple of times. Bam. Email that looks like it came from an "official" source.

Thanks for correcting that. I think there is some technical confusion though, because the email sent from Cheryl D was not forwarded and he didn't even print the full header. And all he would need to do with the Franck mail is go into the account she forwarded from, easy enough, for a good computer forensics detective, I would think. I see that he printed the full header of the mail from Katerine H which originated through Road Runner in VA. See, even I can find that out. Now, if it is a masked email or hacked, I'd need to ask my geek friends for help. But Melich didn't even seem to have done what I am capable of doing.

Wouldn't it be a simple thing for the detective to determine if Casey created a fake email? I think so.

As for the professional appearance, I operate a professional business from my yahoo account and Geocities website. I have been happy with the security and won't likely change. I work with Geocentric astrology so I even like having that name attached to AquarianEssence. If someone chooses to consider me non professional, so be it.

All the best,
Connie

beckaroozie
12-05-2008, 08:05 AM
FifthEssence, this is a thoroughly awesome accomplishment, and you pulled it off so quickly! Thank you for all your hard work & dedication. What a wonderful addition to Websleuths!!!

Kudos & Love,
Soulscape

Thank you so very much Fifth -- it's wonderful!! :)

maconrich
12-05-2008, 08:44 AM
Thank you so very much Fifth -- it's wonderful!! :)

I'll second that!! :bow:

In fact it's so awesome that I can't help but wonder if JB, or someone else on KC's side, will get their own astrologer on here to try to shoot y'all down. Or maybe they already have and we just don't know it yet :eek:

beckaroozie
12-05-2008, 12:24 PM
I'll second that!! :bow:

In fact it's so awesome that I can't help but wonder if JB, or someone else on KC's side, will get their own astrologer on here to try to shoot y'all down. Or maybe they already have and we just don't know it yet :eek:

:floorlaugh: You never know who the ASTRO SPY might be!! <looks left and right....suspicious now...going to start a new thread for speculation on the ASTRO SPY haha>

magic-cat
12-05-2008, 12:50 PM
I think she was stressing because she KNEW she wasn't going to be able to go to PR because of Caylee (in her mind anyway). Doh - you don't work, you can't take exotic vacations...sheesh.

In listening to one of the jail visit videos between Casey and her parents when they ask her if she had planned to go to PR she hedges...when pressed, she tells them everyone was making their own reservations and they were all going to stay with JP's family once there...I am wondering if this is THE JP that hates Casey and THE JP that stated in one of his text messages that Casey and Tony could not come to his apartment and if they did they could not enter the bedrooms? If so, then it is highly possible that the reason Casey did not go to PR, besides the Caylee factor, might well have been that she was not welcome to stay with JP's relatives for reasons that have not been made clear YET...Anyone know if it is the same JP that they were discussing as THE JP from this case? What IS the issue between JP and Casey anyhow? Just what IS going on between these two? Astro's care to weigh in?

magic-cat
12-05-2008, 12:51 PM
:floorlaugh: You never know who the ASTRO SPY might be!! <looks left and right....suspicious now...going to start a new thread for speculation on the ASTRO SPY haha>

Read the thread CAREFULLY and the Astro Spy may be fairly evident to you...:eek:

beckaroozie
12-05-2008, 12:55 PM
Read the thread CAREFULLY and the Astro Spy may be fairly evident to you...:eek:

I have read it -- that's the skeery part. Not much detective work needed here, I think you're right. He he he

debs
12-05-2008, 02:02 PM
In listening to one of the jail visit videos between Casey and her parents when they ask her if she had planned to go to PR she hedges...when pressed, she tells them everyone was making their own reservations and they were all going to stay with JP's family once there...I am wondering if this is THE JP that hates Casey and THE JP that stated in one of his text messages that Casey and Tony could not come to his apartment and if they did they could not enter the bedrooms? If so, then it is highly possible that the reason Casey did not go to PR, besides the Caylee factor, might well have been that she was not welcome to stay with JP's relatives for reasons that have not been made clear YET...Anyone know if it is the same JP that they were discussing as THE JP from this case? What IS the issue between JP and Casey anyhow? Just what IS going on between these two? Astro's care to weigh in?

Same JP, no clue on the problems between the two. My guess was that he thought she was skeezy and didn't want her bringing her new boytoy into his bed. From the sounds of it, she didn't care whose mattress it was. Or she could have stolen something from him and he knows it was her but he can't prove it so has distanced himself.