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LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 10:31 AM
I could be wrong......I have been wrong many, many times before concerning this case.:crazy:
IIRC, the perp texted Jessie in January telling him that she was pregnant and that he is the father.
The perp tries and hides the pregnancy until the 7th month from C and G.
Could it be possible that the perp hid her pregnancy so that Cindy would not force her to have an abortion? Cindy sure went into detail when telling the FBIGuys that she and the perp believe in abortion (vs. just saying that she was pro-choice).
I guess I am just thinking out loud.:crazy:
Elley Mae
11-28-2008, 10:33 AM
Why would she make up such an elaborate lie?
Why would they not pursue Daddy for child support if he was alive?
Why would they not apply for social security if Daddy was deceased?
Why would they tell Jesse that he was the father when KC and Jesse had not been together during the time of conception?
I am becoming more and more convinced that there is something (I mean someone) that this family is hiding.
Will someone please help me out here ~ I don't remember if there was a subpoena for Lee's DNA and, if so, when it occurred?
IIRC Lee had to be subpoenaed for DNA.
marla
11-28-2008, 10:35 AM
To be honest, I don't think any of them, including Casey, even know who the father is ..
Sounds like Casey was quite the "active" girl in her teens .. :rolleyes:
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 10:41 AM
Ok, I haven't seen this brought up yet. What about the length of time between the internet searches? For most of them, there was only a minute or so between the searches. Am I reading it wrong? Did she have all of these open in different windows, running at the same time? At the rate she was going, she was only googling words, then hitting google again and typing something else. There was not time for her to read anything on the searches she was conducting. Can someone explain how this works?
Ok, I haven't seen this brought up yet. What about the length of time between the internet searches? For most of them, there was only a minute or so between the searches. Am I reading it wrong? Did she have all of these open in different windows, running at the same time? At the rate she was going, she was only googling words, then hitting google again and typing something else. There was not time for her to read anything on the searches she was conducting. Can someone explain how this works?
maybe she printed it:confused:
Janis396
11-28-2008, 10:45 AM
Chilly, are you being serious? I can't tell. :) If you are, what purpose would it serve for George to press charges now? And if he did press charges, I would think he would have to include his daughter too. TIA
LOL...ridiculous, right? Hopefully, George has one or two higher priorities right now than that.
gardenhart
11-28-2008, 10:46 AM
While you make some good points I think some others are just not very informed to be honest. In order to be diagnosed with an illness one must meet certain criteria. Everyone must meet approx. 4 of 7 "symptoms" of an illness, otherwise you cannot be given a diagnosis. Everyone has to meet the same criteria, it does not change depending on the person. If you don't have these specific symptoms then you do not have this illness.
So, while of course no one here has had the "exact" experiences as one another or as Casey, many of the actions and behaviors of people with the same illness are lumped into a "like" basket. How on earth do you think studies are done? Where do you think statistics come from?! Why do you think they interview serial killers to try to get into their mind and understand why they do what they do? Why would there be self-help groups and types of therapy that are illness specific? How would psychiatrists and therapists be able to author books that are illness specific and have overwhelming praise for their descriptions of the illness if our symptoms are all that different from each others?
Yes, there are diagnostic criteria but some different disorders share some of the same criteria, some disorders can manifest in different forms and simply having had a disorder doesn't make you qualified to diagnose someone, only to say, "this reminds me of what symptoms I had or have."
If you had hyperactive ADD, you certainly wouldn't recognize a quiet dreamer with inattentive ADD as having the same disorder. If you had OCD and were a hoarder you wouldn't necessarily recognize someone who had the type with obsessive thoughts as having the same disorder.
Remember the story about the blind men examining the elephant? Here it is in case you haven't seen it.
http://www.rec-room.org/Activities/stories/elephant.html
Reality Orlando
11-28-2008, 10:49 AM
I think it's hilarious that when Casey was practicing writing her "married" name, she misspelled Tony's last name several ways.
That aside, I thiink she was planning to steal one of his checks and claim to be his new wife when she signed and cashed it. If she'd just been daydreaming how her married name would look, why did she cross out most of her attempts?
Just a thought...
Very insightful. I noticed that on the paperwork from AMSCOT Casey put down JG as her husband's name. Could be she was going to do the same with AL?
Janis396
11-28-2008, 10:49 AM
i dont think he has much of a choice. i dont think he wants to go live with his parents again. he might still leave in the near future
Living in a cardboard box in an alley would be a luxury after having to live with Cindy these past 4 months. If George can get away from her, he will probably come back to reality and eventually be ok. Until then, he's her mental and emotional hostage.
gardenhart
11-28-2008, 10:53 AM
Yeah. Now we gotta figure out why dipschwitz (KC) had to do an internet search for that so-hard-to-understand word "shovel". :bang:
And it was on Wikipedia too, right? Not Google? I could understand searching on Google if you were looking to buy a shovel and if she bought one, that could explain Cindy refusing to turn over credit card receipts.
Okay, I just went to Wikipedia and did that search. It certainly wouldn't be very useful unless you just landed here from the planet without basic tools. There are a few alternative searches listed though, including for an "industrial metal" band by that name.
Macushla
11-28-2008, 11:01 AM
Ok, I haven't seen this brought up yet. What about the length of time between the internet searches? For most of them, there was only a minute or so between the searches. Am I reading it wrong? Did she have all of these open in different windows, running at the same time? At the rate she was going, she was only googling words, then hitting google again and typing something else. There was not time for her to read anything on the searches she was conducting. Can someone explain how this works?
Could she have googled one word and then searched the second word 'within' the parameters of the first word - does that makes sense? Say you google chloroform and then search again for acetone - but only search within the answers the first search gave you. I am not having much luck trying to explain what I am asking - but I hope it makes some sort of sense.
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 11:04 AM
Could she have googled one word and then searched the second word 'within' the parameters of the first word - does that makes sense? Say you google chloroform and then search again for acetone - but only search within the answers the first search gave you. I am not having much luck trying to explain what I am asking - but I hope it makes some sort of sense.
It made sense, I've seen on some search engines how you can hit "Search with results". I hadn't thought of that though.
Or the other idea that she printed it, maybe that didn't cross my mind because I have an old printer that takes forever.
marla
11-28-2008, 11:07 AM
Ok, I haven't seen this brought up yet. What about the length of time between the internet searches? For most of them, there was only a minute or so between the searches. Am I reading it wrong? Did she have all of these open in different windows, running at the same time? At the rate she was going, she was only googling words, then hitting google again and typing something else. There was not time for her to read anything on the searches she was conducting. Can someone explain how this works?
Easy ..
Search .. open new window ..
Search .. open new window ..
Search .. open new window ..
You need only search for a second, find what you need, open a window and start all over again ..
ExpectingUnicorns
11-28-2008, 11:15 AM
Ok, I haven't seen this brought up yet. What about the length of time between the internet searches? For most of them, there was only a minute or so between the searches. Am I reading it wrong? Did she have all of these open in different windows, running at the same time? At the rate she was going, she was only googling words, then hitting google again and typing something else. There was not time for her to read anything on the searches she was conducting. Can someone explain how this works?
What a good observation! Makes you wonder if she was more fanticising rather than planning, huh?
Winnts
11-28-2008, 11:49 AM
Okay, I just went to Wikipedia and did that search. It certainly wouldn't be very useful unless you just landed here from the planet without basic tools. There are a few alternative searches listed though, including for an "industrial metal" band by that name.
Not true. The wiki search breaks down all type of shovels on the market and their uses. If you want to know the best shovel to dig in hard dirt or to bury a body the wiki search for shovel was quite useful...here were the ones that my have interested her:
A Trench (or post hole) shovel (also known as a sharpshooter, a grafter, or a drainage shovel) is long and narrow, used for digging fairly deep, but narrow trenches, or post-holes.
An entrenching tool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrenching_tool) is a collapsible and/or compact shovel designed for the military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military). It may have a spade-like point with sharpened or even serrated edges for secondary use as an axe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe) or saw, respectively. Some militaries of the world (most notably units of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)) train their servicemen to use entrenching shovels as makeshift close combat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_combat) weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons). This tactic has been widely used in the battlefields of World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) and World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II).
Garden Shovel used a spade like blade to dig into hard dirt
Not true. The wiki search breaks down all type of shovels on the market and their uses. If you want to know the best shovel to dig in hard dirt or to bury a body the wiki search for shovel was quite useful...here were the ones that my have interested her:
A Trench (or post hole) shovel (also known as a sharpshooter, a grafter, or a drainage shovel) is long and narrow, used for digging fairly deep, but narrow trenches, or post-holes.
An entrenching tool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrenching_tool) is a collapsible and/or compact shovel designed for the military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military). It may have a spade-like point with sharpened or even serrated edges for secondary use as an axe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe) or saw, respectively. Some militaries of the world (most notably units of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)) train their servicemen to use entrenching shovels as makeshift close combat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_combat) weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons). This tactic has been widely used in the battlefields of World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) and World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II).
Garden Shovel used a spade like blade to dig into hard dirt
maybe she was gonna use the shovel as household weapon in self defense then changed her mind
dsd07
11-28-2008, 12:02 PM
Maybe early on in the year KC was planning to "off" GA?? Or even both parents?? We all know she didnt like her father, and that CA was only staying in her marriage because of not wanting to give him half of everything....That didnt pan out because of the fight on the 15th of June...and to get revenge on her parents, she did what we all know she did. Rid herself of the baby. KC has a warped, twisted mind and I believe she flip flopped alot on what she was going to do, hence all the different computer searches. Self defense was prob if something went wrong in her little plan and needed to use it. No one will ever know.
MissOtk
11-28-2008, 12:19 PM
IIRC Lee had to be subpoenaed for DNA.
CA, GA and LA were ALL given subpoenas for their DNA. It's in the docs but Im not sure exactly where. Sorry
Mendara
11-28-2008, 12:32 PM
Very insightful. I noticed that on the paperwork from AMSCOT Casey put down JG as her husband's name. Could be she was going to do the same with AL?
It sounds like this was a girl who wanted a man's love desperatly and thrived on the attention of men being inlove with her. In one of her text messages to her friend she said it sucked because she wants and is ready to settle down but only knows TL for 7 weeks (or something like that). TL admits to police that he told KC when he settles down he hopes to have only boys because of his experience with nieces or cousin or something.
TL seemed like a party guy and his friends as well. She was trying to fit in. Sometimes I wonder if she would have found a guy fully open to her child and a man who WANTED to spend time with her and her daughter, maybe KC would have had a chance and would be able to be herself.
I know this does not excuse her and in NO WAY am I showing sympathy, but I had my son at 15 and I ran into many a situations like some that she faced and it was freakin hard and I would cry myself to sleep while my friends went out. I had a boyfriend that I really really liked and one day he said that when he gets married he wants to marry a woman without kids, so that they can start a family together. I cried for hours about it, the difference is, the very next day - after I cried - I told him to kiss my arse and it was over and one day he will regret his comments.
I didn't off my kid. I loved my son no matter what pain I felt at not being a normal teenager.
BeanE
11-28-2008, 12:34 PM
What a good observation! Makes you wonder if she was more fanticising rather than planning, huh?
Not at all. There's a setting in Google to open a new search results window with each search you run. So if you're putting your search terms into your Google toolbar (as I do) and you have this setting on (as I do) you can put in lots of different search terms, one at a time, (as I do), and then have all your search result windows opened and ready for you to do your research.
ETA: removed a comment of mine that came off snarky.
Blackwatch
11-28-2008, 12:55 PM
thats pretty sad. the whole family is destroyed completely and forever. regardless of his history of gambling and cheating, i think he was the most forth coming in that family. he knows what happened imo.
Sad? Not to me. IF, as you stated, "he knows what happened imo.", isn't he supposed to tell LE? Like, wouldn't that be the RIGHT thing to do? I have no sympathy for him or any other member of that family, except MAYBE Casey because she had to live with them.
My opinion only.
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 01:09 PM
It sounds like this was a girl who wanted a man's love desperatly and thrived on the attention of men being inlove with her. In one of her text messages to her friend she said it sucked because she wants and is ready to settle down but only knows TL for 7 weeks (or something like that). TL admits to police that he told KC when he settles down he hopes to have only boys because of his experience with nieces or cousin or something.
TL seemed like a party guy and his friends as well. She was trying to fit in. Sometimes I wonder if she would have found a guy fully open to her child and a man who WANTED to spend time with her and her daughter, maybe KC would have had a chance and would be able to be herself.
I know this does not excuse her and in NO WAY am I showing sympathy, but I had my son at 15 and I ran into many a situations like some that she faced and it was freakin hard and I would cry myself to sleep while my friends went out. I had a boyfriend that I really really liked and one day he said that when he gets married he wants to marry a woman without kids, so that they can start a family together. I cried for hours about it, the difference is, the very next day - after I cried - I told him to kiss my arse and it was over and one day he will regret his comments.
I didn't off my kid. I loved my son no matter what pain I felt at not being a normal teenager.
I appreciate you telling us your experience, you are how a young mother should act.... but I don't think AL and his comments to the perp would of changed the out come. I haven't read yet where he had a problem with Caylee. He even shows concern, stating that Caylee should not be at the apartment around all the partying.
The only problem with the perp finding a guy who wanted to spend time with her and Caylee is that she would not want that. She wanted away from Caylee, she would never be with a man or have interest in a man that wanted a family.
Also, he is a 21 year old young man going to college and living away from home. Having a blast and who can blame him for not wanting to settle down or even think about wanting children yet. His statement where he says that he only wants sons when he settles down says alot about how "unready" he really was. In my eyes he was being a normal 21 year old young man.
I feel sorry for him, he has had to pay a large price for dating the perp. I hope he realizes that he has no fault in what the perp did to her innocent child.
as usual....moo
scarlett_hues
11-28-2008, 01:14 PM
Easy ..
Search .. open new window ..
Search .. open new window ..
Search .. open new window ..
You need only search for a second, find what you need, open a window and start all over again ..
Yep. That's how I do it.
I have IE 7 and I just open up new tabs.
tiredofthis
11-28-2008, 01:15 PM
It sounds like this was a girl who wanted a man's love desperatly and thrived on the attention of men being inlove with her. In one of her text messages to her friend she said it sucked because she wants and is ready to settle down but only knows TL for 7 weeks (or something like that). TL admits to police that he told KC when he settles down he hopes to have only boys because of his experience with nieces or cousin or something.
TL seemed like a party guy and his friends as well. She was trying to fit in. Sometimes I wonder if she would have found a guy fully open to her child and a man who WANTED to spend time with her and her daughter, maybe KC would have had a chance and would be able to be herself.
I know this does not excuse her and in NO WAY am I showing sympathy, but I had my son at 15 and I ran into many a situations like some that she faced and it was freakin hard and I would cry myself to sleep while my friends went out. I had a boyfriend that I really really liked and one day he said that when he gets married he wants to marry a woman without kids, so that they can start a family together. I cried for hours about it, the difference is, the very next day - after I cried - I told him to kiss my arse and it was over and one day he will regret his comments.
I didn't off my kid. I loved my son no matter what pain I felt at not being a normal teenager.
:clap::clap::clap:
Good for you. It sounds like Miss KC could have taken lessons from you.
gardenhart
11-28-2008, 01:16 PM
Not true. The wiki search breaks down all type of shovels on the market and their uses. If you want to know the best shovel to dig in hard dirt or to bury a body the wiki search for shovel was quite useful...here were the ones that my have interested her:
A Trench (or post hole) shovel (also known as a sharpshooter, a grafter, or a drainage shovel) is long and narrow, used for digging fairly deep, but narrow trenches, or post-holes.
An entrenching tool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrenching_tool) is a collapsible and/or compact shovel designed for the military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military). It may have a spade-like point with sharpened or even serrated edges for secondary use as an axe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe) or saw, respectively. Some militaries of the world (most notably units of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)) train their servicemen to use entrenching shovels as makeshift close combat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_combat) weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons). This tactic has been widely used in the battlefields of World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) and World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II).
Garden Shovel used a spade like blade to dig into hard dirt
Didn't someone here say there are no rocks in Florida? I have very rocky soil here and have a number of different types of shovels, a digging bar and garden fork to help with digging. I've also gardened in clay soil but never found it made a lot of difference what type of shovel I used.
I thought Florida has fairly sandy soil that would be easy to dig.
Maybe she was looking to see what kind of shovel to buy but in that case, why only search on Wikipedia? It's very easy to do a Google search or a Google Shopping search.
Oh, well, perhaps there's something else somewhere else that make this make sense.
passionflower
11-28-2008, 01:19 PM
This is exactly what I was thinking last night while reading the thoughts about LA potentially being Caylee's father. KC isn't stupid, and I believe that if there was any chance Lee could have been the father she would have had an abortion faster than she can text a message! She wouldn't have had to worry about Cindy or anyone else wanting her to keep the baby because she wouldn't have stayed pregnant long enough to even show! (And I see nothing to indicate that she has any morals that might make her rule out abortion as an option.)
And as far as her having a 'Cinderella Complex' - well that's not something I see either. She clearly thinks she's 'all that' and her behavior is more egotistical / narcissist than indicative of someone lacking self esteem. Granted she might have wanted a man to take care of her but IMO that's because she felt entitled to it. Plus I'm sure it was hard work maintaining her charade of having a pretend career while her parents were taking care of all her financial needs.
I wonder how many more lives she'll destroy before all is said and done...
~Happy Thanksgiving!~
I wonder if KC ever tried to miscarriage Caylee, any google searches back 4 years ago on abortion/miscarriage?? KC must of wanted baby, and I do think parents knew but kept it secret. KC not having sex is a laugh..........esp with a nurse mom!!!
ishouldbworking
11-28-2008, 01:20 PM
forgive me if this has been covered already. i was just re-reading part 1 of wednesday's dump...(i had attempted wed to read the fox doc's and went cross-eyed...so I’m reading them from cfnews13 now)
On page 32 - it gives the synopsis of CA's interview (7/31) where she talks about caylee's father being "eric" and having her lawyer draw up custody paperwork for caylee...anyone notice on the bottom of the page (1st set) that there is an asterisk...and YM notes that he spoke with PK (atty) who claims he has no file created for this request and no further information as to who the father is???
my eyes are getting so sore after reading docs.I am up to Doc 10. Does not help while I have the flu either. I'm trying to go by recollection from statements early in the investigation. Wasn't there a friend of Casey's who was real young and said she would of liked to had adopted Caylee before caylee was born? Also, she wouldn't turn over her phone records because she stated her husband/boyfriend was a very private person. Is this in the recent docs? Am I remembering right and what friend was this?
sharpar
11-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Kiomarie is the friend and yes her interview is in the docs but dont know which ones
ExpectingUnicorns
11-28-2008, 01:29 PM
forgive me if this has been covered already. i was just re-reading part 1 of wednesday's dump...(i had attempted wed to read the fox doc's and went cross-eyed...so I’m reading them from cfnews13 now)
On page 32 - it gives the synopsis of CA's interview (7/31) where she talks about caylee's father being "eric" and having her lawyer draw up custody paperwork for caylee...anyone notice on the bottom of the page (1st set) that there is an asterisk...and YM notes that he spoke with PK (atty) who claims he has no file created for this request and no further information as to who the father is???
Thank you; I've been looking for that reference because I think this is startling. If CA went to the effort to make up this lie, she must be desperate to cover something up. And this is an outright lie -- not just a little fudging or exaggeration -- a bold lie. Why?
ishouldbworking
11-28-2008, 01:32 PM
Thank you; I've been looking for that reference because I think this is startling. If CA went to the effort to make up this lie, she must be desperate to cover something up. And this is an outright lie -- not just a little fudging or exaggeration -- a bold lie. Why?
I agree!!!
Holy Carp!
:waitasec:
MissOtk
11-28-2008, 01:34 PM
my eyes are getting so sore after reading docs.I am up to Doc 10. Does not help while I have the flu either. I'm trying to go by recollection from statements early in the investigation. Wasn't there a friend of Casey's who was real young and said she would of liked to had adopted Caylee before caylee was born? Also, she wouldn't turn over her phone records because she stated her husband/boyfriend was a very private person. Is this in the recent docs? Am I remembering right and what friend was this?
I think it was the friend named Kiomare (sp?)Torres C.. I seem to recall that she couldnt have children of her own. I think Kiomare also offered some confusing testimony to LE regarding whether or not she had actually spoken with KC or not.
Not sure about the phone records though...if anyone has info on that, please post! Thanks:)
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 01:43 PM
MissOtk, you might want to edit your post. We are not suppose to use full names.:)
Meemom
11-28-2008, 01:50 PM
Thank you; I've been looking for that reference because I think this is startling. If CA went to the effort to make up this lie, she must be desperate to cover something up. And this is an outright lie -- not just a little fudging or exaggeration -- a bold lie. Why?
I think CA is and has been so far over the edge that she can't tell reality from things she intended to do, in her mind. Part if the "if I believe it hard enough, it will be true" syndrome that the whole family seems to have....
Maybe she did intend to have such papers drawn up, after seeing the counselor that told her to kick KC out, but never got to the lawyers office. Or she could be just outright lying, thinking no one will ever check with the lawyer, and it backs up the whole "Eric's the dad" thing. AAARGGHH~
Recovering-Lurker
11-28-2008, 01:50 PM
I know this has probably already been discussed, but I am way behind. There are so many people Casey texted that I have never even heard about, and I'm just starting to read them. No wonder she didn't have a job. She was too busy texting people. How did she keep everything straight?
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 02:02 PM
I know this has probably already been discussed, but I am way behind. There are so many people Casey texted that I have never even heard about, and I'm just starting to read them. No wonder she didn't have a job. She was too busy texting people. How did she keep everything straight?
I agree Lurker :)
Between her texting and IMing, there was no time for a job or taking care of a child. :mad:
OneLostGrl
11-28-2008, 02:03 PM
I think CA is and has been so far over the edge that she can't tell reality from things she intended to do, in her mind. Part if the "if I believe it hard enough, it will be true" syndrome that the whole family seems to have....
Maybe she did intend to have such papers drawn up, after seeing the counselor that told her to kick KC out, but never got to the lawyers office. Or she could be just outright lying, thinking no one will ever check with the lawyer, and it backs up the whole "Eric's the dad" thing. AAARGGHH~
I tend to think she is out-right lying. She seems used to being in control with nobody questioning her.. she probably assumed nobody would follow up on this. It's a pattern with her and makes the most sense, IMO
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 02:15 PM
I've been looking over Tony's timeline of what he did the night CA came and got Casey and I was just wondering if anyone knows what time the 911 calls were made. I have looked and can't find the time. TIA.
cajun
11-28-2008, 02:19 PM
I am trying to figure out I can read the new docs that just came out. When I click on the pdf..I think that is right...all I get is a little square on the upper left hand corner of my screen..it is red, white, and blue. Do I need to download something? If so what would that be? Thanks ahead of time.
Do you have Abode Reader downloaded? If you do you might need to upgrade to newer version and if not go here to download..
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Hope that helps
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 02:22 PM
I agree, except for the part that TonE loved her...he just felt betrayed and didn't know wtf was going on...as for Will, she came to his house the morning after the nothing but clothes party at 9:30 a.m. and they didn't leave until 11:30 a.m. to go to IKEA for house furnishings...hmm I wonder what they talked about during that time? :waitasec:
Will and all the rest should be thanking their lucky stars that she didn't want much to do with them, as she was too busy working.:bang:
I don't think Tony loved Casey either. He's made comments about how clingy she was and that he was happy to be going to NY to get away from her. He also told her that he didn't want any girl children. A man doesn't say something like that to a woman he loves who happens to have a 2 year old daughter.
marla
11-28-2008, 02:25 PM
Yep. That's how I do it.
I have IE 7 and I just open up new tabs.
It's easy! :D
gardenhart
11-28-2008, 02:33 PM
I don't think Tony loved Casey either. He's made comments about how clingy she was and that he was happy to be going to NY to get away from her. He also told her that he didn't want any girl children. A man doesn't say something like that to a woman he loves who happens to have a 2 year old daughter.
Unless you adopt or practice exposing girl children, there is no way to determine what sex your children will be.
But as I recall, he didn't precisely say he only wanted boys or wanted no girls but said when he had children he wanted to have boys because he had sisters and knew what was involved in raising girls. I take that to say he preferred boys.
As far as saying that to Casey, they only knew each other a few weeks. She may have been thinking marriage but there's no reason to think he was speaking as if they were talking about their children and their marriage.
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 02:35 PM
Chilly, are you being serious? I can't tell. :) If you are, what purpose would it serve for George to press charges now? And if he did press charges, I would think he would have to include his daughter too. TIA
No, not really serious, but I'd be furious if I were George, not only that some punk kid helped my daughter break into my shed and steal things, but also that he told my daughter, the mother of a 2 year old girl, that he didn't want any girl children. What kind of man enters into a relationship with a woman who has a child when he knows upfront that he doesn't want that child? I'm not liking Tony very much right now.
gardenhart
11-28-2008, 02:37 PM
I think CA is and has been so far over the edge that she can't tell reality from things she intended to do, in her mind. Part if the "if I believe it hard enough, it will be true" syndrome that the whole family seems to have....
Maybe she did intend to have such papers drawn up, after seeing the counselor that told her to kick KC out, but never got to the lawyers office. Or she could be just outright lying, thinking no one will ever check with the lawyer, and it backs up the whole "Eric's the dad" thing. AAARGGHH~
Wait a minute. Are these the papers she talked about having drawn up right after Caylee was born? For it to be custody papers makes no sense. Lawyers don't appoint custody, courts do and only if there's some issue brought up as to who has custody.
I thought this was more of a will thing, naming who would have custody if anything happened to Casey? It would have been beside the point anyway because unless they proved who the father was and that he was dead, the father or his family could have contested that.
ishouldbworking
11-28-2008, 02:47 PM
speaking of anything happening to KC - i also noticed on page 2 of the 1st set GA & CA are listed as Caylee's next of kin. NOT KC
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 02:50 PM
No, not really serious, but I'd be furious if I were George, not only that some punk kid helped my daughter break into my shed and steal things, but also that he told my daughter, the mother of a 2 year old girl, that he didn't want any girl children. What kind of man enters into a relationship with a woman who has a child when he knows upfront that he doesn't want that child? I'm not liking Tony very much right now.
Well, George shouldn't be too mad, Tony never would of broken into the shed without Casey. Why did George even file a police report when he was almost positive that his daughter was the one who did it?
Funny about what Tony said to the perp......even after he said that, she still stayed with him. I would not have, but that just proves once again that the perp cared only of herself and didn't put Caylee first in her life.
I don't hold it against Tony, he is a 21 year old young man with his whole life ahead of him. He was truthful with the perp and said what he did because he had sisters and knows how girls are (paraphrasing).
as usual, :cow:
Broderick
11-28-2008, 02:50 PM
I want to know if there is truth to JG relaying Casey saying Lee pressured her for sex. I want to know if there is truth in Casey relaying to AL and Nathan that Lee groped her in her bed when she was in middle school. I want to know what abuse, if true, George put upon Casey.
I think those may the be the critical points in a girl starting down a slippery path to murder out of spite and resentment. I have believed Lee as the father ever since Padilla postulated it and as more information is released I begin to see where this came from. It explains everything, from what happened to Casey, what happened to Caylee and why, and why Cindy and George have obfuscated LE from the end of the 3rd 911 call. I think it would explain the bizarre behaviors as well as explaining Casey's hold over the family even after committing a heinous crime. It would never excuse one part of it, but as I have speculated time and time again it explains it. Maybe this is what Baez means when he says we will all understand.
Why did it take a subpoena Lee?
What does Annie know?
Janis396
11-28-2008, 02:54 PM
Well, George shouldn't be too mad, Tony never would of broken into the shed without Casey. Why did George even file a police report when he was almost positive that his daughter was the one who did it?
Funny about what Tony said to the perp......even after he said that, she still stayed with him. I would not have, but that just proves once again that the perp cared only of herself and didn't put Caylee first in her life.
I don't hold it against Tony, he is a 21 year old young man with his whole life ahead of him. He was truthful with the perp and said what he did because he had sisters and knows how girls are (paraphrasing).
as usual, :cow:
ITA, LLLL. Out of all the people and carp that has happened in this case, to take issue with Tony saying he preferred to have boys when he has children as something that is "wrong" or "bad" - LOL....all I can say is.....no, I better not. I want to be able to stay on here and keep refuting ridiculous posts like that.
Lassie
11-28-2008, 02:55 PM
I don't think Tony loved Casey either. He's made comments about how clingy she was and that he was happy to be going to NY to get away from her. He also told her that he didn't want any girl children. A man doesn't say something like that to a woman he loves who happens to have a 2 year old daughter.
Except for the fact that he texted her and told her he loved her several times.
Maybe he didn't love her but he led her to believe he did.
Oakley
11-28-2008, 02:57 PM
No, not really serious, but I'd be furious if I were George, not only that some punk kid helped my daughter break into my shed and steal things, but also that he told my daughter, the mother of a 2 year old girl, that he didn't want any girl children. What kind of man enters into a relationship with a woman who has a child when he knows upfront that he doesn't want that child? I'm not liking Tony very much right now.
Chilly, I agree with you that it was a thougtless thing to say (at best.) But I am glad that AL at least had the honesty to reveal that information to LE, as it sheds much light on possible motive. And yes, it doesn't put him in a very flattering light at all.
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 03:01 PM
ITA, LLLL. Out of all the people and carp that has happened in this case, to take issue with Tony saying he preferred to have boys when he has children as something that is "wrong" or "bad" - LOL....all I can say is.....no, I better not. I want to be able to stay on here and keep refuting ridiculous posts like that.
So you think there is nothing bad or wrong about a man basically telling the woman he's involved with that he doesn't want her child? You don't think that comment by Tony may have contributed to Casey's motivation in killing Caylee?
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 03:02 PM
Except for the fact that he texted her and told her he loved her several times.
Maybe he didn't love her but he led her to believe he did.
Maybe he did love her, but that doesn't mean he wanted to marry her. I thought I loved many of my boyfriends at that age, but still didn't want to marry them.
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 03:03 PM
Except for the fact that he texted her and told her he loved her several times.
Maybe he didn't love her but he led her to believe he did.
He certainly wouldn't be the first guy to tell a woman he loved her when he didn't. That doesn't raise my opinion of him in the least.
tippytoes
11-28-2008, 03:03 PM
So you think there is nothing bad or wrong about a man basically telling the woman he's involved with that he doesn't want her child? You don't think that comment by Tony may have contributed to Casey's motivation in killing Caylee?
If that statement, coming from a man you have dated all of three weeks is enough to "contribute to Casey's motivation" I'd say Casey was hanging by a thin thread!
Oakley
11-28-2008, 03:03 PM
Except for the fact that he texted her and told her he loved her several times.
Maybe he didn't love her but he led her to believe he did.
Can you site where he texted her that he loved her? I am curious because having just read of the conversation between KC and AL morning of 7/16, she texts him and says she needs him and loves him more than he knows. His response is to ask "Where is Caylee?" I also don't think he loved her. I think she was fun, available, and easy. IMO.
Lassie
11-28-2008, 03:06 PM
Maybe he did love her, but that doesn't mean he wanted to marry her. I thought I loved many of my boyfriends at that age, but still didn't want to marry them.
Oh I totally agree, I never got the impression that he had any intentions on marrying KC.
But it was kinda weird how he told her he loved her but then tried to make it seem like he didn't even like her much.
Maybe he was just embarrassed after everything came to light.
tippytoes
11-28-2008, 03:08 PM
Oh I totally agree, I never got the impression that he had any intentions on marrying KC.
But it was kinda weird how he told her he loved her but then tried to make it seem like he didn't even like her much.
Maybe he was just embarrassed after everything came to light.
I don't know about "embarrassed" so much as floored! Everything he thought he knew about the woman who shared his apt and bed was a lie. Love does not conquer all!
Lassie
11-28-2008, 03:08 PM
Can you site where he texted her that he loved her? I am curious because having just read of the conversation between KC and AL morning of 7/16, she texts him and says she needs him and loves him more than he knows. His response is to ask "Where is Caylee?" I also don't think he loved her. I think she was fun, available, and easy. IMO.
Oh geez, I don't know if I could go through those docs again! LOL
He texted it towards the beginning of their relationship, also telling her how beautiful he thought she was.
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 03:08 PM
So you think there is nothing bad or wrong about a man basically telling the woman he's involved with that he doesn't want her child? You don't think that comment by Tony may have contributed to Casey's motivation in killing Caylee?
I didn't read it as "he didn't want her child".
She is the mother, the one who is suppose to put her child first, not Tony. When he said that, she should of left......but she didn't. Nope, she must of had no problem with it.
If it ever comes out that his comment is what led her to kill her child, then I will hate her more than I already do.
What a heavy burden to put on that young man. He has no fault in the death of Caylee, none. He is innocent and should never, ever feel that Caylee's death is because of him.
IMHO, how unfair to him and in my eyes he has done more for Caylee (helping LE) than her own family has.
tiredofthis
11-28-2008, 03:12 PM
Chilly, I agree with you that it was a thougtless thing to say (at best.) But I am glad that AL at least had the honesty to reveal that information to LE, as it sheds much light on possible motive. And yes, it doesn't put him in a very flattering light at all.
I still feel that this wasn't a serious relationship for TonE. He hadn't known KC very long and while I'm sure he liked her, I don't see him thinking long term. He probably liked hanging out with her and she was easy to get into bed. When I first read that information about him not wanting to have any girls, I was angry with him too, now I think he didn't mean it as seriously as KC probably took it.
DianeB
11-28-2008, 03:26 PM
Tony is a 21 year old kid from NY who is going to college in FL. Once he graduates, he's going back to NY to embark on a career in the music business.
Casey was aware of this, and discussed it at length with one of her friends (that 'doorknob' guy) in a series of text messages. She knew this relationship was temporary.
Frankly, most of her new relationships were going to wind up as temp friends - she blatantly stole checks from her new buddy, Amy (possibly to destroy the relationship and free herself of that pesky commitment to be roomies), Tony was a temp (she was already auditioning a replacement, William, and setting up the Marine in CA for a big 'surprise').
Casey was doing nothing if not keeping all of her options open.
Oakley
11-28-2008, 03:28 PM
Oh geez, I don't know if I could go through those docs again! LOL
He texted it towards the beginning of their relationship, also telling her how beautiful he thought she was.
Thanks, Lassie. I know what you mean about going back and finding things, lol!
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 03:30 PM
I still feel that this wasn't a serious relationship for TonE. He hadn't known KC very long and while I'm sure he liked her, I don't see him thinking long term. He probably liked hanging out with her and she was easy to get into bed. When I first read that information about him not wanting to have any girls, I was angry with him too, now I think he didn't mean it as seriously as KC probably took it.
I agree, Casey was pretty much the girl of the moment for Tony. She obviously hoped or believed it was a serious relationship but him...not so much. That's probably why he wasn't concerned about her having a child, he wasn't going to be sticking around to play daddy.
Oakley
11-28-2008, 03:31 PM
I still feel that this wasn't a serious relationship for TonE. He hadn't known KC very long and while I'm sure he liked her, I don't see him thinking long term. He probably liked hanging out with her and she was easy to get into bed. When I first read that information about him not wanting to have any girls, I was angry with him too, now I think he didn't mean it as seriously as KC probably took it.
He is very young and unencumbered. Most 22 year olds are not anxious to become parents. I don't believe he meant any harm by the remark, but I can see where KC, given her clingyness and desperation to be free from her parent's control, would read more into it than he intended.
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 03:36 PM
Tony is a 21 year old kid from NY who is going to college in FL. Once he graduates, he's going back to NY to embark on a career in the music business.
Casey was aware of this, and discussed it at length with one of her friends (that 'doorknob' guy) in a series of text messages. She knew this relationship was temporary.
Frankly, most of her new relationships were going to wind up as temp friends - she blatantly stole checks from her new buddy, Amy (possibly to destroy the relationship and free herself of that pesky commitment to be roomies), Tony was a temp (she was already auditioning a replacement, William, and setting up the Marine in CA for a big 'surprise').
Casey was doing nothing if not keeping all of her options open.
Practicing writing her 'married' name doesn't sound to me like Casey was considering the relationship to be temporary. Waking up in a cold sweat and telling Tony that it was because she was afraid he would leave her - even if that wasn't the reason for the dreams it surely communicated to Tony that Casey was very invested in the relationship. However, I also agree she was lining up the backup boyfriends. :waitasec:
OneLostGrl
11-28-2008, 03:37 PM
Except for the fact that he texted her and told her he loved her several times.
Maybe he didn't love her but he led her to believe he did.
Like she lead him to believe she loved him.. all the while screwing that cop guy and setting Will up to sit on the back burner. I really do not think this was about or for her relationship with TonE.
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 03:38 PM
I agree, Casey was pretty much the girl of the moment for Tony. She obviously hoped or believed it was a serious relationship but him...not so much. That's probably why he wasn't concerned about her having a child, he wasn't going to be sticking around to play daddy.
I agree with DianeB in her post above. The perp, if she did love Tony and hoped it would be a serious relationship would not of been setting up WW as her next boyfriend. She even talked with him at the airport while she waited to pick up Tony.
She also admitted in IM that she knew that Tony was going to move back to NY and she did not ever see herself leaving Florida.
I think the perk "loved" Tony because he provided her a place to hide out from Cindy. She earned her keep around there......cooking and cleaning and bedroom duties.
As I said before, I think Tony is completely innocent and I applaud him for being honest with the perp and with LE. As Cindy says...."it is what it is".
Oakley
11-28-2008, 03:38 PM
I get the impression KC wants to be everyone's favorite gal, and have them want her and her alone. Yet she reserves the option to be true to no one.
yolorado
11-28-2008, 03:52 PM
Can you site where he texted her that he loved her? I am curious because having just read of the conversation between KC and AL morning of 7/16, she texts him and says she needs him and loves him more than he knows. His response is to ask "Where is Caylee?" I also don't think he loved her. I think she was fun, available, and easy. IMO.
Twenty three year old guys.... Many mothers tell their daughters to be careful of those. I know I did. However, in this case, I think TonE was the one who got screwed by Casey, in more ways than one.
marla
11-28-2008, 03:52 PM
So you think there is nothing bad or wrong about a man basically telling the woman he's involved with that he doesn't want her child? You don't think that comment by Tony may have contributed to Casey's motivation in killing Caylee?
I have no doubt what-so-ever that his not wanting children was a motivating factor ..
Still doesn't make him a thoughtless person ..
Casey asked, he answered ..
It's called honesty ..
Casey ought to try it sometime .. :furious:
yolorado
11-28-2008, 03:57 PM
So you think there is nothing bad or wrong about a man basically telling the woman he's involved with that he doesn't want her child? You don't think that comment by Tony may have contributed to Casey's motivation in killing Caylee?
I think he's a twenty-three year old guy. A lot of those are a decade or more from wanting kids, which is why it's probably not a good idea to start sleeping with a guy you don't know and move in with him within the first couple of months of acquaintance. If people don't want kids and show us that, we should believe them. Look what happened if KC didn't want kids but may have been forced into that situation. It's also the way of the world that a lot of men, especially young men, don't want to take on other men's kids, which is why young women who end up in their teen or twenties with children whose fathers they aren't with have set themselves upon a much more difficult path for finding men they want who want them.
Janis396
11-28-2008, 04:15 PM
So you think there is nothing bad or wrong about a man basically telling the woman he's involved with that he doesn't want her child? You don't think that comment by Tony may have contributed to Casey's motivation in killing Caylee?
LOL, of course not, not in the least! He was HONEST with her, a trait that is completely missing with any of the A family. I doubt very seriously Tony wanted to MARRY Casey and become Caylee's stepfather! She was just a casual summer fling to him. In Casey's mind, Tony was the guy there at the right time, who was going to help "save" her from her home situation and living with her nut of a mother, by letting Casey move in (so she thought). So she grabbed onto him like a lifesaver.
Are you faulting the guy for telling Casey honestly that he preferred to have sons instead of daughters? If you want to find fault here, find fault with the person who killed her daughter in order to hold onto a man/boy she'd been casually dating for 7 weeks. THAT is where the "bad or wrong" in this scenario lies! Not with him.
Chilly Willy
11-28-2008, 04:42 PM
LOL, of course not, not in the least! He was HONEST with her, a trait that is completely missing with any of the A family. I doubt very seriously Tony wanted to MARRY Casey and become Caylee's stepfather! She was just a casual summer fling to him. In Casey's mind, Tony was the guy there at the right time, who was going to help "save" her from her home situation and living with her nut of a mother, by letting Casey move in (so she thought). So she grabbed onto him like a lifesaver.
Are you faulting the guy for telling Casey honestly that he preferred to have sons instead of daugthers? If you want to find fault here, find fault with the person who killed her daughter in order to hold onto a man/boy she'd been casually dating for 7 weeks. THAT is where the "bad or wrong" in this scenario lies! Not with him.
What makes you think I don't hold Casey at fault? I have a 25 year old son who doesn't want children. He doesn't date women who have children. A person doesn't know in a few dates where a relationship may lead, why take the chance of hurting someone?
OneLostGrl
11-28-2008, 04:56 PM
I get the impression KC wants to be everyone's favorite gal, and have them want her and her alone. Yet she reserves the option to be true to no one.
I agree completely!
cocoamom
11-28-2008, 05:18 PM
We've also learned Casey's father, George Anthony, spent part of his Thanksgiving alone as well.
George was seen driving by himself around downtown Orlando and Winter Park towing his "Where is Caylee billboard."
http://www.wftv.com/news/18159143/detail.html
I know some folks who work in Orlando and go by that corner every work day twice a day. They say he is almost always there alone. Part of me hurts so badly for him, another part is suspicious and part of me wants to scream "pack a bag and get out mister while you still have some people believing in you"!!
I think he is grieving in his own way. Why doesn't good old CA get out there too? Where are the KF people?
tippytoes
11-28-2008, 05:24 PM
I know some folks who work in Orlando and go by that corner every work day twice a day. They say he is almost always there alone. Part of me hurts so badly for him, another part is suspicious and part of me wants to scream "pack a bag and get out mister while you still have some people believing in you"!!
I think he is grieving in his own way. Why doesn't good old CA get out there too? Where are the KF people?
After his FBI tapes were aired, I'd imagine things at home are more than tense.
He's not hurting anyone driving that billboard. Sure, it would be put to better use for a family whose child is genuinely missing....but at least he's doing something and at the same time, staying away from the powder keg that must be his home life.
dsd07
11-28-2008, 05:27 PM
I don't think Tony loved Casey either. He's made comments about how clingy she was and that he was happy to be going to NY to get away from her. He also told her that he didn't want any girl children. A man doesn't say something like that to a woman he loves who happens to have a 2 year old daughter.
I dont think he meant it as most people are taking it. My husband says all the time..Man, I am so glad we don't have girls! That doesnt mean he wouldnt want or love a daughter if we had one. It's just seeing how girls are now a days, alot of men don't want to think of their daughters becoming that way. I believe he was implying the same thing.
DianeB
11-28-2008, 05:27 PM
Practicing writing her 'married' name doesn't sound to me like Casey was considering the relationship to be temporary. Waking up in a cold sweat and telling Tony that it was because she was afraid he would leave her - even if that wasn't the reason for the dreams it surely communicated to Tony that Casey was very invested in the relationship. However, I also agree she was lining up the backup boyfriends. :waitasec:Wasn't that a hoot?
That was found in the car, no? Which means it was written before June 27th.
Remember the comments Tony made in his early interview transcripts about falling asleep on the phone when Casey made late-night calls while he was in NY, and blowing her off when she called and he was hanging out with his NY friends? Miss Casey was none too pleased.
Tony also didn't allow Casey to stay in his apartment while he was out of town, which had to have sent a message to his lovestruck paramour.
I think had Casey not been arrested, Tony by now would be history.
diablo
11-28-2008, 05:29 PM
I agree with DianeB in her post above. The perp, if she did love Tony and hoped it would be a serious relationship would not of been setting up WW as her next boyfriend. She even talked with him at the airport while she waited to pick up Tony..
See I thought she talked to WW all that time to purposely deflect the possibility of Amy discussing her "lost" money, while they were together that day.
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 05:30 PM
In the documents it gives JG"s description of 7/01 when Casey comes to the house to take a shower and he says that she has a bag of clothes with her. He also says that she goes into the his bedroom, ( I took it to mean there is a bathroom of his room) and used the shower LEAVING THE DOOR HALF OPEN.
He said she didn't need a shower, so she probably didgn't, which means that she had an ulterior motive. She had clothes with her but JG doesn't know whose (they might have been Caylee's imo,) and she leaves the bathroom door open while he sits in the living room (Maybe she needs the door open so she can hear him coming.)
ANd now there's all this about CA and KC trying to frame JG, at least it seems that way and there was the comment about LE not even finding Caylee's clothes yet.
Has JG's bedroom been searched?
Janis396
11-28-2008, 05:31 PM
What makes you think I don't hold Casey at fault? I have a 25 year old son who doesn't want children. He doesn't date women who have children. A person doesn't know in a few dates where a relationship may lead, why take the chance of hurting someone?
Because you pointed the finger of blame directly to Tony and said nothing about Casey, that's why I think that.
I think HONESTY is a good thing. Tony told her what he wanted when she asked him. Would you rather that he have lied to her? I commend him for not being a low-life liar, like a lot of guys his age. Too bad none of it rubbed off on Casey.
Broderick
11-28-2008, 05:32 PM
In the documents it gives JG"s description of 7/01 when Casey comes to the house to take a shower and he says that she has a bag of clothes with her. He also says that she goes into the his bedroom, ( I took it to mean there is a bathroom of his room) and used the shower LEAVING THE DOOR HALF OPEN.
He said she didn't need a shower, so she probably didgn't, which means that she had an ulterior motive. She had clothes with her but JG doesn't know whose (they might have been Caylee's imo,) and she leaves the bathroom door open while he sits in the living room (Maybe she needs the door open so she can hear him coming.)
ANd now there's all this about CA and KC trying to frame JG, at least it seems that way and there was the comment about LE not even finding Caylee's clothes yet.
Has JG's bedroom been searched?
The pings show she came there, but left and came back again but JG never says anything about that. I wonder if he went somewhere with her, and the pings show she went close to AL's place and Blanchard park.
DianeB
11-28-2008, 05:40 PM
BTW, Tony isn't 23 - he's 21.
He gave his DOB in an early police interview as 04/17/87.
tippytoes
11-28-2008, 05:41 PM
BTW, Tony isn't 23 - he's 21.
He gave his DOB in an early police interview as 04/17/87.
Yes and in Casey's IM chat with Iassen, she makes mention that Tony is a year younger than she...
dsd07
11-28-2008, 07:13 PM
No, not really serious, but I'd be furious if I were George, not only that some punk kid helped my daughter break into my shed and steal things, but also that he told my daughter, the mother of a 2 year old girl, that he didn't want any girl children. What kind of man enters into a relationship with a woman who has a child when he knows upfront that he doesn't want that child? I'm not liking Tony very much right now.
He said he didnt want any "girl" children of his own. I think he meant he didnt want the headache of girls, maybe he is speaking from experience. Girls these days are something else. I can say I am glad I have a son and not a daughter. But that doesnt mean I wouldnt love her just the same as I love my son. They were only dating, he wasn't taking over the fatherly duties of Caylee.
ishouldbworking
11-28-2008, 07:24 PM
Can you site where he texted her that he loved her? I am curious because having just read of the conversation between KC and AL morning of 7/16, she texts him and says she needs him and loves him more than he knows. His response is to ask "Where is Caylee?" I also don't think he loved her. I think she was fun, available, and easy. IMO.
in part 12 - page 47 the #388 incoming text is from TonE - "ur beautful and I love you." (IIRC it was from the 6th of June)
also in part 12 - page 48(i think) #390 incoming text is from TonE - "yeah i love you and only person that counts is you"
edited to add: if she's practicing writing his name like one might in jr high - who's to say that she didnt pick up his phone and send them to herself???!?
Linda7NJ
11-28-2008, 07:31 PM
edited to add: If she's practicing writing his name like one might in jr high - who's to say that she didnt pick up his phone and send them to herself???!?
excellent point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rangdang
11-28-2008, 08:24 PM
I wonder why he would attach montoya gonzalez to RMs name though. This seems strange. I did some searching and found a 2000 obit with 3 of the 4 names in it but that's all I came up with.
I think he was making fun of his name...I think often Hispanic names have several "middle"names and he was just making up the last two...
ExpectingUnicorns
11-28-2008, 08:27 PM
I brought this over from another thread:
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agathawannabe
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
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Computer forensics recovered a partial email that appears to be from CA to KC. Date of the email undetermined, as far as I can tell. (pg 2802)
"can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre "
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Bolded by me. I haven't been able to find out how to get to page 2802 yet, so haven't seen this in its context. But I'm intrigued by it because of the lack of date and the "over a month now" statement. If we could date this recovered email it prove very enlightening!
TripleA
11-28-2008, 08:35 PM
I have heard mention that somewhere in these new docs it looks as though LE doesn't believe George about the chase...I have some thoughts on that.
What if George made up the chase story to cover his tracks for the epass records? Maybe that was a day that he moved Caylee and needed a reason why he was on the toll road at that time. Or maybe he knew he had to cover up why he was not where he should be to Cindy once he realized that these records would become known to her.
Also, AH stated that Casey told her about the smell on the 25th and that her father must have hit something when he borrowed her car. One...why would GA need to borrow her car in the first place? The only reason for GA to have that car would be to dispose of a body and/or clean it out. Two...Maybe Casey said he had her car as an excuse not to give anyone a ride in her stink-mobile during that time. Maybe it was parked somewhere else for a few days. Three...maybe she didn't really run out of gas, maybe she was just making up repeated excuses to ride in a different car.
bshmommy
11-28-2008, 08:47 PM
I brought this over from another thread:
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Today, 04:06 PM
agathawannabe
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 17
Computer forensics recovered a partial email that appears to be from CA to KC. Date of the email undetermined, as far as I can tell. (pg 2802)
"can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre "
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Bolded by me. I haven't been able to find out how to get to page 2802 yet, so haven't seen this in its context. But I'm intrigued by it because of the lack of date and the "over a month now" statement. If we could date this recovered email it prove very enlightening!
Why is CA talking about GA being out of the house all day? Reading this, I got the impression KC may have said something about George to Cindy and he came back with "but I was at work all day" when Cindy questioned him. Weird...
Also, I think its kind of funny that AL said he didn't want girl children...like he has a choice. Typical 23 year old guy.
SeriouslySearching
11-28-2008, 09:06 PM
I have always had doubts about the whole car chase thing, too. Cindy was seemingly either unaware he said it or she was denying it ever happened. What reason would she have to deny that? You gave me some good food for thought as to why he might have conjured up that story. Interesting.
ExpectingUnicorns
11-28-2008, 09:09 PM
Why is CA talking about GA being out of the house all day? Reading this, I got the impression KC may have said something about George to Cindy and he came back with "but I was at work all day" when Cindy questioned him. Weird...
Also, I think its kind of funny that AL said he didn't want girl children...like he has a choice. Typical 23 year old guy.
Yes, the George comment seemed odd to me; were they tracking him or something? This email is strange, isn't it?
Indianagirl
11-28-2008, 09:14 PM
WOW! I just got done reading the docs! I know i'm behind! I found it ironic that there has been a rumor that Lee might be Caylee's dad and that Casey has mentioned in the past that he "molested" or "intended to molest her"...Now don't get me wrong, I know Casey is a LIAR but I just find that ironic??? I know this thread has already discussed this issue. I haven't had time to read the whole post but so far I haven't seen this menitoned... In the documents it said Casey did have a high school diploma. Not that it is important to the investigation but why would Cindy say that she didn't graduate when she did?
Indianagirl
11-28-2008, 09:16 PM
in part 12 - page 47 the #388 incoming text is from TonE - "ur beautful and I love you." (IIRC it was from the 6th of June)
also in part 12 - page 48(i think) #390 incoming text is from TonE - "yeah i love you and only person that counts is you"
edited to add: if she's practicing writing his name like one might in jr high - who's to say that she didnt pick up his phone and send them to herself???!?
I can vouche this post. I just got done reading the documents and he did say "I love you" in the text.
yolorado
11-28-2008, 09:18 PM
WOW! I just got done reading the docs! I know i'm behind! I found it ironic that there has been a rumor that Lee might be Caylee's dad and that Casey has mentioned in the past that he "molested" or "intended to molest her"...Now don't get me wrong, I know Casey is a LIAR but I just find that ironic??? I know this thread has already discussed this issue. I haven't had time to read the whole post but so far I haven't seen this menitoned... In the documents it said Casey did have a high school diploma. Not that it is important to the investigation but why would Cindy say that she didn't graduate when she did?
I didn't understand the diploma either. It seemed to me that it might have been a transcript sent to a college which might have been altered to indicate graduation, but I could be wrong. It did indicate she did graduate. Yet, from all we've heard she was 1/2 credit short. I was very confused with that part of the dump. I couldn't tell who had handwritten on the document or what they were trying to say.
tx_Dot
11-28-2008, 09:20 PM
I brought this over from another thread:
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Computer forensics recovered a partial email that appears to be from CA to KC. Date of the email undetermined, as far as I can tell. (pg 2802)
Bolded by me. I haven't been able to find out how to get to page 2802 yet, so haven't seen this in its context. But I'm intrigued by it because of the lack of date and the "over a month now" statement. If we could date this recovered email it prove very enlightening!
justa quick search, but it looks like the buy out of Anheuser Busch was around July 13th/14th......tho there were earlier rumors.
Indianagirl
11-28-2008, 09:32 PM
I didn't understand the diploma either. It seemed to me that it might have been a transcript sent to a college which might have been altered to indicate graduation, but I could be wrong. It did indicate she did graduate. Yet, from all we've heard she was 1/2 credit short. I was very confused with that part of the dump. I couldn't tell who had handwritten on the document or what they were trying to say.
IIRC the guidance counselor wrote that she didn't graduate on time with her class and must have taken summer scool and got her diploma...You would think Cindy would know that and be proud???
Indianagirl
11-28-2008, 09:49 PM
I'm sure this has been covered here and i haven't seen it, but I was surprised to read Cindy's interview and all the detail about Casey and Jeff H. dating.. I know it's not true but WOW, the made-up nanny wasn't enough, she had to throw in there that she and the nanny both dated this same guy??!!!!!
ExpectingUnicorns
11-28-2008, 09:54 PM
justa quick search, but it looks like the buy out of Anheuser Busch was around July 13th/14th......tho there were earlier rumors.
Thank you tx_Dot; that was very helpful! The 30 days she refers to would be pretty accurate then.
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 10:12 PM
Why is everyone's info out there except JP's? What is up with him? What does he know or what is important about him?Any ideas?
ExpectingUnicorns
11-28-2008, 10:23 PM
Page 42/2312 (From conversation w/ CA's mother)
"Shirley said soon after learning about the second theft for $354, Cynthia had gone to see a counselor about Casey. The counselor allegedly told Cynthia to kick Casey out. Cynthia had mentioned to Shirley a couple of times that she intended to get custody of Caylee. Cynthia would even had let Casey live with them, but she would have had guardianship of Caylee. Cynthia had told Shirley she would sell her house and rent an apartment to get custody of Caylee."
Does the last sentence imply that CA felt she had to leave her house "to get custody of Caylee"? Could this have been discussed with KC and be the nugget that suggested KC's lies about moving?
Indianagirl
11-28-2008, 10:26 PM
Page 42/2312 (From conversation w/ CA's mother)
"Shirley said soon after learning about the second theft for $354, Cynthia had gone to see a counselor about Casey. The counselor allegedly told Cynthia to kick Casey out. Cynthia had mentioned to Shirley a couple of times that she intended to get custody of Caylee. Cynthia would even had let Casey live with them, but she would have had guardianship of Caylee. Cynthia had told Shirley she would sell her house and rent an apartment to get custody of Caylee."
Does the last sentence imply that CA felt she had to leave her house "to get custody of Caylee"? Could this have been discussed with KC and be the nugget that suggested KC's lies about moving?
Wow good point, I never thought about that.. I always wondered where Casey come up with that idea. That makes some sense :clap:
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 10:38 PM
Page 42/2312 (From conversation w/ CA's mother)
"Shirley said soon after learning about the second theft for $354, Cynthia had gone to see a counselor about Casey. The counselor allegedly told Cynthia to kick Casey out. Cynthia had mentioned to Shirley a couple of times that she intended to get custody of Caylee. Cynthia would even had let Casey live with them, but she would have had guardianship of Caylee. Cynthia had told Shirley she would sell her house and rent an apartment to get custody of Caylee."
Does the last sentence imply that CA felt she had to leave her house "to get custody of Caylee"? Could this have been discussed with KC and be the nugget that suggested KC's lies about moving?
I took it to mean that Cindy would sell her house to pay for the attorney she would need in order to get custody of Caylee. Who knows, as usual, this family has made me crazy.:crazy:
Oakley
11-28-2008, 10:39 PM
in part 12 - page 47 the #388 incoming text is from TonE - "ur beautful and I love you." (IIRC it was from the 6th of June)
also in part 12 - page 48(i think) #390 incoming text is from TonE - "yeah i love you and only person that counts is you"
edited to add: if she's practicing writing his name like one might in jr high - who's to say that she didnt pick up his phone and send them to herself???!?
Thank you for that information. I was reading text messages between KC and Lassen (?) earlier and she mentions falling hard for AL. It appears she really cared for him a great deal.
Oakley
11-28-2008, 10:46 PM
I know some folks who work in Orlando and go by that corner every work day twice a day. They say he is almost always there alone. Part of me hurts so badly for him, another part is suspicious and part of me wants to scream "pack a bag and get out mister while you still have some people believing in you"!!
I think he is grieving in his own way. Why doesn't good old CA get out there too? Where are the KF people?
I think GA is very good at doing CA's bidding. That sign is a huge advertisement for planting reasonable doubt in a potential jury pool.
I'm looking through the WESH documents posted again - group 11, a the very end - there is an email, that mentions Casey by name and a Juliet - an Events group - Casey and getting VIP names for the event
Would this be her job??? And the Juliet in question?
When I was 18 I got a volunter job with a big Los Angeles radio station (which turned to pay a year later), to go to free concerts, meet the rock stars, work with the DJ's etc. I'm thinking that this Events thing Casey was doing, she wasn't getting paid
why didn't the defense have these people on thier witness list???
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm looking through the WESH documents posted again - group 11, a the very end - there is an email, that mentions Casey by name and a Juliet - an Events group - Casey and getting VIP names for the event
Would this be her job??? And the Juliet in question?
When I was 18 I got a volunter job with a big Los Angeles radio station (which turned to pay a year later), to go to free concerts, meet the rock stars, work with the DJ's etc. I'm thinking that this Events thing Casey was doing, she wasn't getting paid
why didn't the defense have these people on thier witness list???
That was an email that Casey sent to herself. Crazy, huh? :crazy:
ETA: no one in that email is real.....double :crazy:
Oh and also I think either group 8 or 9 - Casey mentioned moving to an apt - her and the kid
Only problem, her moving to an apartment was in two distinctive different places
she also tells someone she's known Zanny for 6 years through work and I thought it was 4 - at least thats what her affidavit says
And it was Casey and another coworker that used Zani for babysitting - have we found out the other person? I don't think I've heard anyone else mentioned
That was an email that Casey sent to herself. Crazy, huh? :crazy:
There were two emails - one from a woman one from a man - both sent by Casey? I have to go back and look at the routing properties to see where and what account it was sent from
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 11:15 PM
Oh and also I think either group 8 or 9 - Casey mentioned moving to an apt - her and the kid
Only problem, her moving to an apartment was in two distinctive different places
she also tells someone she's known Zanny for 6 years through work and I thought it was 4 - at least thats what her affidavit says
And it was Casey and another coworker that used Zani for babysitting - have we found out the other person? I don't think I've heard anyone else mentioned
The other person who used the imagi-nanny is Jeff H.....for his son, Zach.
The real Jeff H does not have a son, nor ever heard of ZannytheNanny.
s1rebecca
11-28-2008, 11:16 PM
Why is CA talking about GA being out of the house all day? Reading this, I got the impression KC may have said something about George to Cindy and he came back with "but I was at work all day" when Cindy questioned him. Weird...
Also, I think its kind of funny that AL said he didn't want girl children...like he has a choice. Typical 23 year old guy.
I think she was noticing someone was in the house while she was at work. she may have asked GA if he had been home and he said no I was at work. she may have noticed freezer pops and chicken missing.
chelle70
11-28-2008, 11:16 PM
Why is everyone's info out there except JP's? What is up with him? What does he know or what is important about him?Any ideas?
OMG, I totally forgot about him! All I remember mentioned about him was in the AH interview. She said that JP never really liked Casey. Also, still waiting for Annie and Mark H, if they ever release them before trial. Must be some juicy stuff in those interviews!!!!
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-28-2008, 11:17 PM
I think she was noticing someone was in the house while she was at work. she may have asked GA if he had been home and he said no I was at work. she may have noticed freezer pops and chicken missing.
Or an unlocked gate and a pool ladder still attached to the pool.
I'm on the incoming texts - the authorized debits to pay for the phone - fromt he Bof A account of Cindy's???
and when cindy called BofA and then texted Casey saying there is trouble - was it for the forged deposit slip or checks???
And something kind of strange - in the texts half of those texts were all asking if that was her daughter - friends didn't know she had a daughter?? And absolutely NO ONE knew Caylee was gone - wow oh wow oh wow
and when this broke - all those incoming My space stuff - she was having a blast!
The prosecution is going to have a field day with this - this is so major - it is not a grieving frantic mother - the only time we see any type of lets say grieving is when Casey is saying how terrible she feels
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 11:53 PM
Page 2412 - Brittany says that CA told her on 7-16 that Casey had said she was going to Jacksonville for a month for work but she was dropping Caylee at the nanny's beofre she left.
Up until now, hadn't we been hearing that casey was taking Caylee for some bonding time on a minivacation? Or am I remembering that wrong?
not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 11:55 PM
OMG, I totally forgot about him! All I remember mentioned about him was in the AH interview. She said that JP never really liked Casey. Also, still waiting for Annie and Mark H, if they ever release them before trial. Must be some juicy stuff in those interviews!!!!
It just gets me that when they talk about the people in Amy's interview, they have Amy and Ricardo's names right out there in full length, but jp is referred to as "JP". that rings a hinky meter with me but I don't know why.
Indianagirl
11-29-2008, 12:17 AM
I just now remembered this, sorry if it has been discussed...but why would there be search for "neck breaking" on the laptop????
I just now remembered this, sorry if it has been discussed...but why would there be search for "neck breaking" on the laptop????
i posted this on another thread:
Originally Posted by MIL http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2999995#post2999995)
MARCH 21 Cindy called Bank of America 4 times ...
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf
7-15-2008 Cindy texts KC-call me as soon as possible, major prob
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MARCH 17
GOOGLE:
*Chloroform
WICOPEDIA:
*Inhalation
*Chloroform
*Alcohol
*Acetone
*Peroxide
*Hydrogen peroxide
*Death
MARCH 21
GOOGLE:
*How to make Chloroform
*Self Defense
*House hold weapons
*Neck breaking
*Shovel
WICOPIDEA:
*Shovel
BLOGSPOT.COM
SCISPOT.COM
DRUGLIBRARY.COM
INSTRUCTABLES.COM
*Making weapons out of house hold products
*Chloroform
*Chloroform Habit
*How to make Chloroform
*Chloro2
I think she wanted to kill Cindy after the Bank of America calls on 3/21/208.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif
Indianagirl
11-29-2008, 12:25 AM
i posted this on another thread:
Originally Posted by MIL http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2999995#post2999995)
MARCH 21 Cindy called Bank of America 4 times ...
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf
7-15-2008 Cindy texts KC-call me as soon as possible, major prob
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MARCH 17
GOOGLE:
*Chloroform
WICOPEDIA:
*Inhalation
*Chloroform
*Alcohol
*Acetone
*Peroxide
*Hydrogen peroxide
*Death
MARCH 21
GOOGLE:
*How to make Chloroform
*Self Defense
*House hold weapons
*Neck breaking
*Shovel
WICOPIDEA:
*Shovel
BLOGSPOT.COM
SCISPOT.COM
DRUGLIBRARY.COM
INSTRUCTABLES.COM
*Making weapons out of house hold products
*Chloroform
*Chloroform Habit
*How to make Chloroform
*Chloro2
I think she wanted to kill Cindy after the Bank of America calls on 3/21/208.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif
Wow, I didn't realize that....this whole story just gets more and more bizare by the minute:eek:
Wow, I didn't realize that....this whole story just gets more and more bizare by the minute:eek:
yep, sounds to me that she started to look all this up when CA found out about money from Bank of America. Wouldnt you like to a fly on that wall.
The fight must have been huge to set KC off. imo
Indianagirl
11-29-2008, 12:42 AM
yep, sounds to me that she started to look all this up when CA found out about money from Bank of America. Wouldnt you like to a fly on that wall.
The fight must have been huge to set KC off. imo
I know this may sound off the beaten path but several months ago I posted that I wondered if at some point she was intending on killing her parents and thats why she was telling Amy she would own the house.. I know it's far fetched but what isn't about this case??!!
I know this may sound off the beaten path but several months ago I posted that I wondered if at some point she was intending on killing her parents and thats why she was telling Amy she would own the house.. I know it's far fetched but what isn't about this case??!!
Or maybe Cindy threated her that she'll take Caylee away, etc...and KC decided no u wont
Or maybe initially she did wanna kill Cindy in self defense-thats what she was looking up as well but it didnt happen and she killed Caylee after the last fight
ahh who really knows what was in her head
Paladine
11-29-2008, 01:01 AM
So, right after the choroform searches on the 17th, Casey does a search for the 100th episode of One Tree Hill, a teen soap, in which the crazy nanny kidnaps a Child...interesting...it's also a wedding episode...
OneLostGrl
11-29-2008, 01:19 AM
So, right after the choroform searches on the 17th, Casey does a search for the 100th episode of One Tree Hill, a teen soap, in which the crazy nanny kidnaps a Child...interesting...it's also a wedding episode...
The chick is f'ing wacked! LOL
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 01:27 AM
I FOUND JP's FULL NAME!!! I don't know why I'm yelling, but I looked so stinkin hard for it cause it was bugging me that they didn't list it, but I found it, I won't post it, but it is on page 2417. (Yes, I have only made it that far, because I am taking page by page notes so I can index.)
Indianagirl
11-29-2008, 01:31 AM
I FOUND JP's FULL NAME!!! I don't know why I'm yelling, but I looked so stinkin hard for it cause it was bugging me that they didn't list it, but I found it, I won't post it, but it is on page 2417. (Yes, I have only made it that far, because I am taking page by page notes so I can index.)
Oh my dear, you are so far behind, lol:crazy:
TURBOTHINK
11-29-2008, 01:39 AM
i posted this on another thread:
Originally Posted by MIL http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2999995#post2999995)
MARCH 21 Cindy called Bank of America 4 times ...
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf
7-15-2008 Cindy texts KC-call me as soon as possible, major prob
---------------------
MARCH 17
GOOGLE:
*Chloroform
WICOPEDIA:
*Inhalation
*Chloroform
*Alcohol
*Acetone
*Peroxide
*Hydrogen peroxide
*Death
MARCH 21
GOOGLE:
*How to make Chloroform
*Self Defense
*House hold weapons
*Neck breaking
*Shovel
WICOPIDEA:
*Shovel
BLOGSPOT.COM
SCISPOT.COM
DRUGLIBRARY.COM
INSTRUCTABLES.COM
*Making weapons out of house hold products
*Chloroform
*Chloroform Habit
*How to make Chloroform
*Chloro2
I think she wanted to kill Cindy after the Bank of America calls on 3/21/208.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif
I think it was George she had plans for later.
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 01:40 AM
Oh my dear, you are so far behind, lol:crazy:
It's finals week, I am going to be behind for a while. I can only do this and schoolwork once the kids are in bed, but hey, I'm on bedrest for the next five months, so by May I should be all caught up. lol.
TigerBalm
11-29-2008, 01:41 AM
I FOUND JP's FULL NAME!!! I don't know why I'm yelling, but I looked so stinkin hard for it cause it was bugging me that they didn't list it, but I found it, I won't post it, but it is on page 2417. (Yes, I have only made it that far, because I am taking page by page notes so I can index.)
Oh my dear, you are so far behind, lol:crazy:
LOL, at that rate, Casey is going to be tried and convicted before you get caught up, poor thing you need a cliff notes, not_my_kids. :crazy:
:blowkiss:
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 01:42 AM
I think it was George she had plans for later.
Maybe Lee. Doesn't she seem to be really chummy with her victims or her intended victims? And most have commented on how "close" she is with Lee. Just a thought, I really have nothing to back it up.
TigerBalm
11-29-2008, 01:45 AM
How about all of the above?!?!?!
OneLostGrl
11-29-2008, 02:03 AM
It's finals week, I am going to be behind for a while. I can only do this and schoolwork once the kids are in bed, but hey, I'm on bedrest for the next five months, so by May I should be all caught up. lol.
Oh my gosh, I hope you aren't sick! :blowkiss:
CourtsInSession
11-29-2008, 02:03 AM
I think I might have an idea about KC's comment, "they haven't even found her clothes"... in one of GGM's emails she asks Cindy & crew if the nanny had all of Caylee's clothes or where they were located and to ask KC about them....
I wonder what the purpose of Cindy constantly stating that nothing of Caylee's is missing?
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 02:09 AM
Oh my gosh, I hope you aren't sick! :blowkiss:
Nope, pregnant, after I was told never to get that way again.
:blowkiss:
Okay, I swear I am going back on topic now.
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 02:15 AM
It still gets me that in Ricardo's statement he tells of the night hat he went to sleep with both casey and Caylee in his bed and then he wakes up, Caylee's gone and casey says she took her home because Ca called and told her to. It makes me hurt to think about where Caylee might have actually been at that time...trunk? backseat? God only knows.
butwhatif?
11-29-2008, 02:23 AM
There are no kiddie porn charges against Casey, and I imagine there would be if LE found pornographic pics of Caylee on the computer.
Ok...I know I said I was gonna let it go, but I couldnt help myself.LOL
In Caseys indictment she has been charged with aggravated child abuse (count 3) heres an snip of the findings of the GJ that got my head back in that bad place-
...'fail or omit to provide caylee marie anthony with the care, supervision and services necessary to maintain caylee marie anthony's physical and mental health, or fail to make a reasonable effort to protect caylee marie anthony from abuse, neglect or exploitation by another person, and in so doing caused the death of caylee marie anthony.'
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 02:34 AM
Ok...I know I said I was gonna let it go, but I couldnt help myself.LOL
In Caseys indictment she has been charged with aggravated child abuse (count 3) heres an snip of the findings of the GJ that got my head back in that bad place-
...'fail or omit to provide caylee marie anthony with the care, supervision and services necessary to maintain caylee marie anthony's physical and mental health, or fail to make a reasonable effort to protect caylee marie anthony from abuse, neglect or exploitation by another person, and in so doing caused the death of caylee marie anthony.'
Refers to her statements that she "lost" Caylee and didn't report it. It's called failure to protect within the child welfare system.
OneLostGrl
11-29-2008, 02:36 AM
Nope, pregnant, after I was told never to get that way again.
:blowkiss:
Okay, I swear I am going back on topic now.
Congrats on your pregnancy!
RR0004
11-29-2008, 03:57 AM
Well, I just spent pretty much the entire night going over most of the docs. I'm just left wondering about the lies. Why did GA say he chased Casey when the e pass records don't show it? Why did GA say he would get the records for LE and he never did? Why did CA say she'd bring in the pants but didn't? Why did this girl Katie say she'd meet with LE about possible people Casey knew from Sawgrass Apts. but never showed up for her appointment? Now, things I learned as far as the reports are concerned: the preliminary testing was inconclusive...report #2 was more convincing as far as the human decomp in the trunk was concerned. And, my big question is: was there or wasn't there pizza in the trunk? Recently, I thought I read there was just a box, but according to the testing done there was decomposing pizza. So which one is it? (I can't believe I'm still talking about the da*n pizza!!) Can anybody shed some light, please?
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 04:04 AM
hey RR, we are in the same boat, I've been here most of the night (get ready coffee pot, you are gonna have along day). You are stuck on the pizza I am stuck on the gas cans.
Tony admits in his statement that he used a tire iron to help casey break into the shed to get the gas cans and then in Lee's statement he says tht he understood that Tony sat in the car until casey came back with them. WTH? I find it hard to believe that Tony would admit tio a crime he didn't commit, so the lie, if it is one, must be coming from Lee, but why?
Also Lee says that the sheds were hardly ever locked. Didn't CA say on the Greta special that they were almost alway slocked so Caylee couldn't get to the dangerous things in them?
I am so confused.
OneLostGrl
11-29-2008, 04:15 AM
Well, I just spent pretty much the entire night going over most of the docs. I'm just left wondering about the lies. Why did GA say he chased Casey when the e pass records don't show it? Why did GA say he would get the records for LE and he never did? Why did CA say she'd bring in the pants but didn't? Why did this girl Katie say she'd meet with LE about possible people Casey knew from Sawgrass Apts. but never showed up for her appointment? Now, things I learned as far as the reports are concerned: the preliminary testing was inconclusive...report #2 was more convincing as far as the human decomp in the trunk was concerned. And, my big question is: was there or wasn't there pizza in the trunk? Recently, I thought I read there was just a box, but according to the testing done there was decomposing pizza. So which one is it? (I can't believe I'm still talking about the da*n pizza!!) Can anybody shed some light, please?
Bold is mine.
I know- wtf is up with that?! She gave LE the name of some girl (it's in the docs but I can't remember her name) and said Casey is very good friends with her. Didn't Dante, in his interview with LE, say that he never saw (other than to vist with him) Casey or her car at Saw Grass and that he did not know of any friends Casey had there?
I'm not a Sleuther.. if I was- I'd check this woman out. I'd love to find some information on her and the girl she says lives at Saw Grass and was good friends with Casey.
OneLostGrl
11-29-2008, 04:18 AM
hey RR, we are in the same boat, I've been here most of the night (get ready coffee pot, you are gonna have along day). You are stuck on the pizza I am stuck on the gas cans.
Tony admits in his statement that he used a tire iron to help casey break into the shed to get the gas cans and then in Lee's statement he says tht he understood that Tony sat in the car until casey came back with them. WTH? I find it hard to believe that Tony would admit tio a crime he didn't commit, so the lie, if it is one, must be coming from Lee, but why?
Also Lee says that the sheds were hardly ever locked. Didn't CA say on the Greta special that they were almost alway slocked so Caylee couldn't get to the dangerous things in them?
I am so confused.
Seems Lee is trying to add some of his own drama into the situation.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 04:23 AM
hey RR, we are in the same boat, I've been here most of the night (get ready coffee pot, you are gonna have along day). You are stuck on the pizza I am stuck on the gas cans.
Tony admits in his statement that he used a tire iron to help casey break into the shed to get the gas cans and then in Lee's statement he says tht he understood that Tony sat in the car until casey came back with them. WTH? I find it hard to believe that Tony would admit tio a crime he didn't commit, so the lie, if it is one, must be coming from Lee, but why?
Also Lee says that the sheds were hardly ever locked. Didn't CA say on the Greta special that they were almost alway slocked so Caylee couldn't get to the dangerous things in them?
I am so confused.
OMG...I just posted that exact same question!! CA went on and on about the shed being locked. Lee did in fact say they were rarely locked. What is up with this family? And why did Casey need so many da*rn gas cans?!!
RR0004
11-29-2008, 04:25 AM
Bold is mine.
I know- wtf is up with that?! She gave LE the name of some girl (it's in the docs but I can't remember her name) and said Casey is very good friends with her. Didn't Dante, in his interview with LE, say that he never saw (other than to vist with him) Casey or her car at Saw Grass and that he did not know of any friends Casey had there?
I'm not a Sleuther.. if I was- I'd check this woman out. I'd love to find some information on her and the girl she says lives at Saw Grass and was good friends with Casey.
All I know, I wish someone would tell the truth!!
BeanE
11-29-2008, 04:27 AM
hey RR, we are in the same boat, I've been here most of the night (get ready coffee pot, you are gonna have along day). You are stuck on the pizza I am stuck on the gas cans.
Tony admits in his statement that he used a tire iron to help casey break into the shed to get the gas cans and then in Lee's statement he says tht he understood that Tony sat in the car until casey came back with them. WTH? I find it hard to believe that Tony would admit tio a crime he didn't commit, so the lie, if it is one, must be coming from Lee, but why?
Also Lee says that the sheds were hardly ever locked. Didn't CA say on the Greta special that they were almost alway slocked so Caylee couldn't get to the dangerous things in them?
I am so confused.
Yes. Always locked. Nobody has keys, not even Lee, and nobody even knows where the keys are. It stuck in my head because I thought at the time she was lying, but I didn't know why.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 04:35 AM
Yes. Always locked. Nobody has keys, not even Lee, and nobody even knows where the keys are. It stuck in my head because I thought at the time she was lying, but I didn't know why.
That's right...I forgot about the part "no one has the keys"!! The whole shed business never rang true. She lied to Greta too!
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 04:44 AM
Well, I just spent pretty much the entire night going over most of the docs. I'm just left wondering about the lies. Why did GA say he chased Casey when the e pass records don't show it? Why did GA say he would get the records for LE and he never did? Why did CA say she'd bring in the pants but didn't? Why did this girl Katie say she'd meet with LE about possible people Casey knew from Sawgrass Apts. but never showed up for her appointment? Now, things I learned as far as the reports are concerned: the preliminary testing was inconclusive...report #2 was more convincing as far as the human decomp in the trunk was concerned. And, my big question is: was there or wasn't there pizza in the trunk? Recently, I thought I read there was just a box, but according to the testing done there was decomposing pizza. So which one is it? (I can't believe I'm still talking about the da*n pizza!!) Can anybody shed some light, please?
Pizza box...NO pizza. So much for the "rotting pizza excursion" we all took for 4 months. (Desperate times call for desperate measures...no other way to get around the smell so use the handy props in the trunk). :waitasec:
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 06:12 AM
OMG...I just posted that exact same question!! CA went on and on about the shed being locked. Lee did in fact say they were rarely locked. What is up with this family? And why did Casey need so many da*rn gas cans?!!
Great minds, ya know. And honestly, not only what was she using them for, where was she storing them? There are only so many places you can store a large quantity of gas cans and no thave someone get curious.
not_my_kids
11-29-2008, 07:40 AM
HA, casey telling her mother that she was in contact with Caylee's father's widow...how awkward would that be if it had actually happened.
Not to mention, did anyone else take notes and almost go insane from the initials? KC, GA, CA, LA, AL, AH, JG, RG, BB, WW, BS, not to mention JB Park, BBQ, OCSO and FBI. I must do this to clear my head: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious...there,I feel better.
ScreenName
11-29-2008, 07:48 AM
I think it was George she had plans for later.
I think your on to something here. Sounds like it may have been CA who was next.
tiredofthis
11-29-2008, 07:51 AM
Seems Lee is trying to add some of his own drama into the situation.
Maybe the shed was usually unlocked when Lee lived there and they recently starting locking it because of Caylee?
Elley Mae
11-29-2008, 09:12 AM
So Cindy did not not papers drawn up to get custody of Caylee if anything happened to Casey, why would she lie about that?
Broderick
11-29-2008, 09:17 AM
So Cindy did not not papers drawn up to get custody of Caylee if anything happened to Casey, why would she lie about that?
I saw that. Why. Same with George and the chase. Lie lie lie.
Marple
11-29-2008, 09:35 AM
So Cindy did not not papers drawn up to get custody of Caylee if anything happened to Casey, why would she lie about that?
I think CA is prone to exaggeration, as is her offspring. Drama, drama, drama. She embellishes things to drive home a point.
SeriouslySearching
11-29-2008, 09:43 AM
It still gets me that in Ricardo's statement he tells of the night hat he went to sleep with both casey and Caylee in his bed and then he wakes up, Caylee's gone and casey says she took her home because Ca called and told her to. It makes me hurt to think about where Caylee might have actually been at that time...trunk? backseat? God only knows.One of them is obviously lying...either Ric, Casey, or Cindy. I don't see Ric having a reason to lie. I think it sounds exactly like something Cindy would do in an "altered" state tho even if she denies it, imo.
natsound
11-29-2008, 09:48 AM
I think CA is prone to exaggeration, as is her offspring. Drama, drama, drama. She embellishes things to drive home a point.
Yes, she's in her own world in many ways. She rambles and rambles and rambles, often to her own detriment. Just like her daughter.
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 09:57 AM
So Cindy did not not papers drawn up to get custody of Caylee if anything happened to Casey, why would she lie about that?
Three words: because she can.
That's all it is. Mistruths, half truths? The lawyer lie was stupid and easily revealed, but CA is controlling and not used to be challenged. She's in for a big wake up call.
RiverRat
11-29-2008, 10:40 AM
From reading this new set, I found out for the first time that while on the ride to jail - the first time - Casey was told that if she really wanted to help find Caylee, and if she did, now was the time to do so........Left Turn was to Jail, a Right Turn would be to find Caylee.........Casey chose a Right Turn, but wanted to speak to her attorney - at which point, her attorney told the officers to just go ahead and bring her to jail and she clammed up. Now I wonder if that was Caylee's only chance to be found then or was it just another Buy More Time moment from her "mother."
That's right...I forgot about the part "no one has the keys"!! The whole shed business never rang true. She lied to Greta too!
why would it make any difference who she did or didn't lie to--- :bang: ya know she probably didn't eat, sleep and stress--and grief over granddaughter and not seeing daughter..... :waitasec:
as for the gas cans...kc had been taking them--remember at that time gas prices were up there big time....why waste her "hard earned money" on gas for a car??????? I still puzzle over finding a car---taking out the battery???? and then just saying (more or less) didn't really know who would bother the car ....... wth with that comment?????? guess kc was right in "everyone lies".....:chicken:
jmo
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-29-2008, 10:52 AM
So Cindy did not not papers drawn up to get custody of Caylee if anything happened to Casey, why would she lie about that?
Three words: because she can.
That's all it is. Mistruths, half truths? The lawyer lie was stupid and easily revealed, but CA is controlling and not used to be challenged. She's in for a big wake up call.
I remember when Cindy said this, and I questioned it then......when my kids were small, my husband and I, had papers drawn up to give custody to my sister and brother-in-law if anything happened to us. It was a will.
The way Cindy said it......it would be like my sister and brother-in-law having the papers drawn up. Casey would be the one to have these papers drawn up.
Sorry, just had to comment on another one of Cindy's "mis-truths".
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-29-2008, 10:56 AM
From reading this new set, I found out for the first time that while on the ride to jail - the first time - Casey was told that if she really wanted to help find Caylee, and if she did, now was the time to do so........Left Turn was to Jail, a Right Turn would be to find Caylee.........Casey chose a Right Turn, but wanted to speak to her attorney - at which point, her attorney told the officers to just go ahead and bring her to jail and she clammed up. Now I wonder if that was Caylee's only chance to be found then or was it just another Buy More Time moment from her "mother."
It wasn't her first ride to jail, it was the ride to jail after being arrested for murder.
RiverRat
11-29-2008, 11:03 AM
It wasn't her first ride to jail, it was the ride to jail after being arrested for murder.
Thank you for correcting this for me! This was more reading than I had anticipated in between the peeling and mashing to potatoes!
cocoamom
11-29-2008, 11:07 AM
I brought this over from another thread:
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Today, 04:06 PM
agathawannabe
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
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Computer forensics recovered a partial email that appears to be from CA to KC. Date of the email undetermined, as far as I can tell. (pg 2802)
"can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre "
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Bolded by me. I haven't been able to find out how to get to page 2802 yet, so haven't seen this in its context. But I'm intrigued by it because of the lack of date and the "over a month now" statement. If we could date this recovered email it prove very enlightening!
The article about the sale hit the NY Times on July 15th...link
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/business/worldbusiness/15inbev.html?ref=worldbusiness
LiveLoveLaughLiza
11-29-2008, 11:08 AM
Thank you for correcting this for me! This was more reading than I had anticipated in between the peeling and mashing to potatoes!
I still haven't caught up on my sleep.....I stayed up until 4:45am Thanksgiving morning and have been dragging since. I will say that my appetizers were not as good as usual and the Bloody Mary's went to my head faster.:tipsy:
Page 2412 - Brittany says that CA told her on 7-16 that Casey had said she was going to Jacksonville for a month for work but she was dropping Caylee at the nanny's beofre she left.
Up until now, hadn't we been hearing that casey was taking Caylee for some bonding time on a minivacation? Or am I remembering that wrong?
Nope. You remember correctly. Cindy used the mini-vacation story as the reason why Casey left the house....you know, Casey getting ready to go to work, a day like any other day.....conflicting comments about the reason she left.
cocoamom
11-29-2008, 11:19 AM
Refers to her statements that she "lost" Caylee and didn't report it. It's called failure to protect within the child welfare system.
That just jumped out at me - "lost". She googled the Lost numbers (TV show with numbers that are key). In the Lost show, Claire disappears and they find her baby in the woods....
cocoamom
11-29-2008, 11:26 AM
Bold is mine.
I know- wtf is up with that?! She gave LE the name of some girl (it's in the docs but I can't remember her name) and said Casey is very good friends with her. Didn't Dante, in his interview with LE, say that he never saw (other than to vist with him) Casey or her car at Saw Grass and that he did not know of any friends Casey had there?
I'm not a Sleuther.. if I was- I'd check this woman out. I'd love to find some information on her and the girl she says lives at Saw Grass and was good friends with Casey.
There is a thread Kiomarie I think who moved from Hopespring to Sawgrass - friends w/KC. Wanted to adopt Caylee when KC was pregnant. Husband didn't want to give phone records to LE because he is a "private person" I think...
cocoamom
11-29-2008, 11:27 AM
Great minds, ya know. And honestly, not only what was she using them for, where was she storing them? There are only so many places you can store a large quantity of gas cans and no thave someone get curious.
Keeping gas cans in a car or trunk in FL in June is INSANE!!! The inside of a car here in high summer can get well over 100 degrees in MINUTES. Can anyone say boom??:eek:
Disconnecting the battery? I would do that if I didn't want someone with a key to drive it - check out where she travelled to by pings July 15 and 16 before arrested...ping maps in the sticky threads
Hailiejade77
11-29-2008, 11:52 AM
That just jumped out at me - "lost". She googled the Lost numbers (TV show with numbers that are key). In the Lost show, Claire disappears and they find her baby in the woods....
OMG!!! Everything she googled had to do with kidnapped children or hurting somene,..wtf is wrong with her?! :eek:
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:06 PM
Pizza box...NO pizza. So much for the "rotting pizza excursion" we all took for 4 months. (Desperate times call for desperate measures...no other way to get around the smell so use the handy props in the trunk). :waitasec:
So where did the pizza go 'cause it sure was in the lab reports?!!
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:08 PM
OMG!!! Everything she googled had to do with kidnapped children or hurting somene,..wtf is wrong with her?! :eek:
Yea, but the baby turns out ok and Claire is the one that is "lost". I wish this could be the case for this situation.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:09 PM
Keeping gas cans in a car or trunk in FL in June is INSANE!!! The inside of a car here in high summer can get well over 100 degrees in MINUTES. Can anyone say boom??:eek:
Disconnecting the battery? I would do that if I didn't want someone with a key to drive it - check out where she travelled to by pings July 15 and 16 before arrested...ping maps in the sticky threads
She wasn't in her car, right?
Just wanted to make sure this wasn't a trick question. LOL
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:10 PM
There is a thread Kiomarie I think who moved from Hopespring to Sawgrass - friends w/KC. Wanted to adopt Caylee when KC was pregnant. Husband didn't want to give phone records to LE because he is a "private person" I think...
...and Katie R.?
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:13 PM
Nope. You remember correctly. Cindy used the mini-vacation story as the reason why Casey left the house....you know, Casey getting ready to go to work, a day like any other day.....conflicting comments about the reason she left.
Oh, better yet...Caylee was up in Jacksonville with Casey and JH and they were test driving being a family. His mother even watched the kids (remember he has a son-NOT!)
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:16 PM
Great minds, ya know. And honestly, not only what was she using them for, where was she storing them? There are only so many places you can store a large quantity of gas cans and no thave someone get curious.
Ya think?!
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 12:17 PM
So where did the pizza go 'cause it sure was in the lab reports?!!
I have to type Janis' favorite Cindy quote, "No odor." :eek:
Just like the odor appears and reappears by cindy's accounting, so does the magical (rotting, but non existent) pizza. Here are some links to Nancy Grace and Scared Monkeys Front Page, which is the better of the two.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Imafu6TyLHYJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/26/ng.01.html+casey%27s+car+pizza+box+no+pizza&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&ie=UTF-8 CNN
http://*************.com/2008/11/28/casey-anthony-documents-chloroform-neck-breaking-and-incest-oh-my-and-the-pizza-that-never-was/ scared monkeys front page
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:21 PM
Maybe the shed was usually unlocked when Lee lived there and they recently starting locking it because of Caylee?
A pretty bold statement then if you ask me. That could very well be the case, but I have this nagging feeling Cindy was trying to portray the fact that THEY were never careless for a reason. My she did go on about it. Less is usually more so, yes, to me it's a red flag. (I just had to say it!)
songline
11-29-2008, 12:22 PM
I want to know if there is truth to JG relaying Casey saying Lee pressured her for sex. I want to know if there is truth in Casey relaying to AL and Nathan that Lee groped her in her bed when she was in middle school. I want to know what abuse, if true, George put upon Casey.
I think those may the be the critical points in a girl starting down a slippery path to murder out of spite and resentment. I have believed Lee as the father ever since Padilla postulated it and as more information is released I begin to see where this came from. It explains everything, from what happened to Casey, what happened to Caylee and why, and why Cindy and George have obfuscated LE from the end of the 3rd 911 call. I think it would explain the bizarre behaviors as well as explaining Casey's hold over the family even after committing a heinous crime. It would never excuse one part of it, but as I have speculated time and time again it explains it. Maybe this is what Baez means when he says we will all understand.
Why did it take a subpoena Lee?
What does Annie know?
I believe all the same things:
but my post was removed because we have no proof about Lee;
yet let's remember that Lee refused a DNA test.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:23 PM
I have to type Janis' favorite Cindy quote, "No odor." :eek:
Just like the odor appears and reappears by cindy's accounting, so does the magical (rotting, but non existent) pizza. Here are some links to Nancy Grace and Scared Monkeys Front Page, which is the better of the two.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Imafu6TyLHYJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/26/ng.01.html+casey%27s+car+pizza+box+no+pizza&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&ie=UTF-8 CNN
http://*************.com/2008/11/28/casey-anthony-documents-chloroform-neck-breaking-and-incest-oh-my-and-the-pizza-that-never-was/ scared monkeys front page
Were these scientists then pretending there was a pizza? Did they think it evaporated so they ran tests as if it had been there? What happened to the dang pizza?!
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 12:28 PM
Were these scientists then pretending there was a pizza? Did they think it evaporated so they ran tests as if it had been there? What happened to the dang pizza?!
I'm just not remembering scientists running tests on pizza--I remmeber the outside of the trash bag and presence of maggots, but not pizza.
The only suggestion of tests comes from Cindy who double-dog-dares the general public to replicate putting pizza in their trunk, in 90 degree heat, for 17 days. I may have missed some testing, but all indications from the latest docs is that there was NO pizza, simply an empty box. :waitasec:
songline
11-29-2008, 12:31 PM
OMG...I just posted that exact same question!! CA went on and on about the shed being locked. Lee did in fact say they were rarely locked. What is up with this family? And why did Casey need so many da*rn gas cans?!!
Because they can cover up other smells?????:waitasec:
songline
11-29-2008, 12:34 PM
I'm just not remembering scientists running tests on pizza--I remmeber the outside of the trash bag and presence of maggots, but not pizza.
the only suggest of tests comes from Cindy who double-dog-dares the general public to replicate putting pizza in their trunk, in 90 degree heat, for 17 days. I may have missed some testing, but all indications from the latest docs is that there was NO pizza, simply an empty box. :waitasec:
It is said that even if there was pizza that would not create maggots;
It had to be a live body to create maggots.
Pizza may have created warms, flies but not maggots.
DianeB
11-29-2008, 12:35 PM
I believe all the same things:
but my post was removed because we have no proof about Lee;
yet let's remember that Lee refused a DNA test.Ah, but Jesse and Casey took one to determine Caylee's paternity.
For the more scientifically-minded here, would there be a way to tell from that test whether Caylee's father and mother are related?
Could explain why the entire family seems to fear Jesse, as opposed to their usual MO of intense dislike.
Recovering-Lurker
11-29-2008, 12:37 PM
Were these scientists then pretending there was a pizza? Did they think it evaporated so they ran tests as if it had been there? What happened to the dang pizza?!
IIRC they ran tests on a pizza, so the whole there was a rotting pizza in the trunk theory could be dicounted. True, there never was a pizza, but the family kept saying there was. They were just making sure all bases were covered imo.
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 12:38 PM
It is said that even if there was pizza that would not create maggots;
It had to be a live body to create maggots.
Pizza may have created warms, flies but not maggots.
Hello songline!! :)
I think it was stated somewhere (where? my brain hurts) that there was decomp fluids on the outside of the white trash bag, therefore, the maggots. Ick. *IF* these reports are true, we were all taken for a ride (and not in the Pontiac) by Cindy regarding pizza that never was...
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 12:40 PM
IIRC they ran tests on a pizza, so the whole there was a rotting pizza in the trunk theory could be dicounted. True, there never was a pizza, but the family kept saying there was. They were just making sure all bases were covered imo.
Yes!! I think you are right about that! Invisible pizza to go along with the invisa-nanny? The Zanny Pizza?
Those poor detectives...honestly!
gardenhart
11-29-2008, 12:40 PM
Were these scientists then pretending there was a pizza? Did they think it evaporated so they ran tests as if it had been there? What happened to the dang pizza?!
The dead squirrels ate it. :nuts:
gardenhart
11-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Ah, but Jesse and Casey took one to determine Caylee's paternity.
For the more scientifically-minded here, would there be a way to tell from that test whether Caylee's father and mother are related?
Could explain why the entire family seems to fear Jesse, as opposed to their usual MO of intense dislike.
Would the DNA test that showed Jesse wasn't the father show that the father was related to the mother? Just tossing this out as a thought because I'm not buying any LA/GA abuse until I see a better source than Casey.
gardenhart
11-29-2008, 12:45 PM
I'm just not remembering scientists running tests on pizza--I remmeber the outside of the trash bag and presence of maggots, but not pizza.
The only suggestion of tests comes from Cindy who double-dog-dares the general public to replicate putting pizza in their trunk, in 90 degree heat, for 17 days. I may have missed some testing, but all indications from the latest docs is that there was NO pizza, simply an empty box. :waitasec:
Remember Lee, the defense forensics expert, saying on NG that there was food in the trunk, including ham? Some of us assumed he was talking about the pizza but what the heck was he talking about? Sounds to me like the man hasn't even looked at the evidence.
DianeB
11-29-2008, 12:45 PM
Would the DNA test that showed Jesse wasn't the father show that the father was related to the mother? Just tossing this out as a thought because I'm not buying any LA/GA abuse until I see a better source than Casey.That's my question, also - does Jesse have something over on the Anthonys that he's unaware of (but they are well aware of)?
Any DNA experts in the house?
Broderick
11-29-2008, 12:46 PM
Would the DNA test that showed Jesse wasn't the father show that the father was related to the mother? Just tossing this out as a thought because I'm not buying any LA/GA abuse until I see a better source than Casey.
Ironically, quite shortly after that test was administered George moved out of the house and filed for divorce. We are led to believe that it was because of gambling debts which we now find out were paid for by a Workman's Comp claim and were of Nigerian scam descent. Now, for a minute think what might have been found out when Caylee was born in those tests with JG? Lee moved out too. Lee didn't come around when George was there after George came back home. According to George, after it was revealed Casey was pregnant (8th month), Lee and CAsey's relationship was strained.
Did Casey tell the truth to friends about the abuse that possibly started in middle school? WHAT does ANNIE know?
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:50 PM
I'm just not remembering scientists running tests on pizza--I remmeber the outside of the trash bag and presence of maggots, but not pizza.
The only suggestion of tests comes from Cindy who double-dog-dares the general public to replicate putting pizza in their trunk, in 90 degree heat, for 17 days. I may have missed some testing, but all indications from the latest docs is that there was NO pizza, simply an empty box. :waitasec:
I wish I had copied down the page 'cause I would NEVER send anyone back into the "dumps", but it was in all the forensic testing. It referenced that there had been pizza decomposing in the trunk. I swear. Now, does anyone have the page that says that there was only a box? I know I read the "docs reveal", but an exact page?
ETA: Yes...I'm obsessing...'cause if the scientists can't get it straight, how can a jury?
DianeB
11-29-2008, 12:53 PM
I wish I had copied down the page 'cause I would NEVER send anyone back into the "dumps", but it was in all the forensic testing. It referenced that there had been pizza decomposing in the trunk. I swear. Now, does anyone have the page that says that there was only a box? I know I read the "docs reveal", but an exact page?It was one of the first aha! moments in the most recent set of docs.
First document, pg 17 (2287), illustrated.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf
RR0004
11-29-2008, 12:57 PM
Ironically, quite shortly after that test was administered George moved out of the house and filed for divorce. We are led to believe that it was because of gambling debts which we now find out were paid for by a Workman's Comp claim and were of Nigerian scam descent. Now, for a minute think what might have been found out when Caylee was born in those tests with JG? Lee moved out too. Lee didn't come around when George was there after George came back home. According to George, after it was revealed Casey was pregnant (8th month), Lee and CAsey's relationship was strained.
Did Casey tell the truth to friends about the abuse that possibly started in middle school? WHAT does ANNIE know?
Ya know the one thing I've learned after reading all the docs: don't believe anything you read. I don't believe ANYTHING the As say. Which makes me wonder if we should go back to the beginning and rethink how this all got started.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 01:02 PM
It was one of the first aha! moments in the most recent set of docs.
First document, pg 17 (2287), illustrated.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf
Ok...now I'm back to the dumps of the forensics...first have to get coffee. I can't believe I wrote down page 14, but not the pdf file.
PS- THANKS!!!!!!!!!
RR0004
11-29-2008, 01:09 PM
Found it...
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf
in case it doesn't go straight there...it's page 14- part 5
There's a picture of the contents of the bag retrieved from the dumpster (as well as one of the bag inside the dumpster still). They have all the items splayed out on the table, including a pizza box, some frozen food boxes (Dr. Lee mentions those) as well as paper items and other sundry things. AL states that it is a bag of garbage from his house, though he puzzles as to why it would be in the back of Casey's car. My guess is that she put it in there to mask the smell or at least make people believe it is the source of the smell.
Someone better at searching will find it :)
tippytoes
11-29-2008, 01:11 PM
It was one of the first aha! moments in the most recent set of docs.
First document, pg 17 (2287), illustrated.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf
Thanks!! I don't know how you pulled that out of your---er, files--so fast.
I know RR0004 is sure a lab was testing pizza, not just boxes, but I think they were just doing the experiment to "see" or smell what pizza rotting in a trunk for 17 days would be like.
Dontcha feel the tiniest bit DUPED by months of "it was pizza in the trunk of the car" to learn there never was pizza? :mad:
RR0004
11-29-2008, 01:13 PM
There's a picture of the contents of the bag retrieved from the dumpster (as well as one of the bag inside the dumpster still). They have all the items splayed out on the table, including a pizza box, some frozen food boxes (Dr. Lee mentions those) as well as paper items and other sundry things. AL states that it is a bag of garbage from his house, though he puzzles as to why it would be in the back of Casey's car. My guess is that she put it in there to mask the smell or at least make people believe it is the source of the smell.
Someone better at searching will find it :)
No...I got it...look up...I'm wondering now if they meant it literally...there was no pizza IN the box, but there was an old slice or two out of the box.
Thanks.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 01:15 PM
Thanks!! I don't know how you pulled that out of your---er, files--so fast.
I know RR0004 is sure a lab was testing pizza, not just boxes, but I think they were just doing the experiment to "see" or smell what pizza rotting in a trunk for 17 days would be like.
Dontcha feel the tiniest bit DUPED by months of "it was pizza in the trunk of the car" to learn there never was pizza? :mad:
LOL...and I never did get my coffee. What concerns me is what's written on paper. One report coming from the lab says one thing...the other report from LE says another. They really have to get together on this. Just maybe there was pizza OUTSIDE of a box...like what you might eat and then toss. Question, was this trash from the car...or trash from the apartment? Or both?
tequilla shots
11-29-2008, 01:17 PM
i have a question and dont really know where to ask it? so here it goes.. the searches on the computer where done in march according to new docs. how long was this being planned? what other things could have been planned? it is all just so confusing.
beckaroozie
11-29-2008, 01:31 PM
New Doc Dump Part 13, last pdf in that part (2950). An email from Rick to CA -- totally hilarious. He has just said to her what the rest of use can't but would love to.
JBean
11-29-2008, 01:34 PM
i have a question and dont really know where to ask it? so here it goes.. the searches on the computer where done in march according to new docs. how long was this being planned? what other things could have been planned? it is all just so confusing.There is info in this thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72041&highlight=searches
peace9274
11-29-2008, 02:17 PM
There's a picture of the contents of the bag retrieved from the dumpster (as well as one of the bag inside the dumpster still). They have all the items splayed out on the table, including a pizza box, some frozen food boxes (Dr. Lee mentions those) as well as paper items and other sundry things. AL states that it is a bag of garbage from his house, though he puzzles as to why it would be in the back of Casey's car. My guess is that she put it in there to mask the smell or at least make people believe it is the source of the smell.
Someone better at searching will find it :)
IIRC... AL asked Casey (via text messaging? from school?) if she would take the garbage out before she left the apartment.
I believe he told her it would be ok if she didn't have time or if ... ?
Did she just throw the garbage into the back of her car
instead of walking to the dumpster and tossing it in there?
I read the docs almost all nite, until I was crossed-eyed and hallucinating.
I closed my eyes for a "minute" .... and woke up 45 minutes later,
face down on my keyboard, drooling on the keys! :crazy:
Maybe I had a dream that LA asked KC to take out the garbage....
or did I actually read it somewhere in the docs??? :waitasec:
Anyone else read that? I'd sure hate to go look for it! :confused:
TigerBalm
11-29-2008, 02:46 PM
There's a picture of the contents of the bag retrieved from the dumpster (as well as one of the bag inside the dumpster still). They have all the items splayed out on the table, including a pizza box, some frozen food boxes (Dr. Lee mentions those) as well as paper items and other sundry things. AL states that it is a bag of garbage from his house, though he puzzles as to why it would be in the back of Casey's car. My guess is that she put it in there to mask the smell or at least make people believe it is the source of the smell.
Someone better at searching will find it :)
Here you go ...
http://i37.tinypic.com/b7gjh4.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2z65jtj.jpg]
ETA: Receipt found in garbage bag that was Nathan's
shadow of my mind
11-29-2008, 03:49 PM
Katie R. who lives at Sawgrass.
Matt C. states that a Katie R. called him, a friend that also knew Casey back from grade school that also lives in Sawgrass Apartments as well. She had seen a lot of police officers there yesterday at the apartment and then had heard by word of mouth or on the news about it. Another friend, Victoria A. also called him. They had all gone to high school with Casey.
Page 722 Lines 18-23 & Page 723 Lines 1-25 Matthew C. Interview with LE 7/17/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
When going through the transcripts from the last doc dump I came across these two girls names mentioned by Matt C. and wondered if this Katie R. may be the missing connection to the mystery of how Casey got ZG name connected with Sawgrass on June 17th. The part that I find interesting and needs to be looked into with more detail is Matt C. was interviewed on July 17, the day after Casey was arrested. The interview with Matt was in the afternoon and in the morning this Katie R. had already contacted Matt about seeing a lot of police at the apartment. Matt C. is making the assumption that she heard about Caylee by word of mouth or on the news.
I went looking for the time that the first TV news release was done on Caylee being missing and the only thing I could find was that Channel 6 did cast a news at 11:00PM on July 16 down in Orlando. There may have been something earlier but I am not finding it. Of course by the morning of July 17 it was being covered but I do not know in how much detail. So if this Katie had seen police it would have had to be sometime on July 16. What makes me raise an eyebrow is I have also been under the impression that there was not a large showing of police at Sawgrass. An officer was dispatched to the manager’s office and another officer in an unmarked car had driven Casey around on the now famous Orlando tour and had gone to Sawgrass with her to look at the place where Casey claimed the nanny would meet her with Caylee.
Does anyone who is local remember if there were notable police presences at Sawgrass? I know we had a person who lives at Sawgrass become a member on this forum who was answering questions about security and where the apartment was etc for us and he specifically said he did not see any huge police activity at all. He was at work during the day so he may have missed it also. It is just for this Katie to tell Matt C. about the seeing a lot of police on the morning of July 17 the police she saw had to have been there on July 16 and I am not finding anything in the police reports that remark about what officers responded to check out Sawgrass could have made up any more than possibly two cars at the complex at any one time.
In this doc dump this Katie was supposed to come and talk to LE. She never showed.
Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill on this? Any other thoughts on this.
Elley Mae
11-29-2008, 04:07 PM
A digital camera and computer were taken from the A's house and graphic pictures were found in the camera. and hand written on the page in a side note it has Caylee's name along with Casey's and friends. and included in that is the computer and emails that were also retrieved. The pictures are referred to as graphic files (digital camera) and in the docs it says that certain laws violated in orange county and florida statue 827.03 and 837.06 is listed 827.03 is neglect, abuse, and aggravated abuse. ZTHis is on docdump #9 pages 2726/2727. This is so sounding like Caylee was photographed.
MSinIndy
11-29-2008, 04:20 PM
Ironically, quite shortly after that test was administered George moved out of the house and filed for divorce. We are led to believe that it was because of gambling debts which we now find out were paid for by a Workman's Comp claim and were of Nigerian scam descent. Now, for a minute think what might have been found out when Caylee was born in those tests with JG? Lee moved out too. Lee didn't come around when George was there after George came back home. According to George, after it was revealed Casey was pregnant (8th month), Lee and CAsey's relationship was strained.
Did Casey tell the truth to friends about the abuse that possibly started in middle school? WHAT does ANNIE know?
If this has previously been posted I apologize, but I just found this on another site and was shocked.
An email that was included on the latest document dump that refers to Casey being pregnant prior to Caylee. It's unclear who wrote it or whom it's to. Someone thinks that the recent home tour Cindy gave the news shows 2 ultrasounds, one with a pink bow and one with a blue bow.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_17.htm
awakewriter
11-29-2008, 04:21 PM
A digital camera and computer were taken from the A's house and graphic pictures were found in the camera. and hand written on the page in a side note it has Caylee's name along with Casey's and friends. and included in that is the computer and emails that were also retrieved. The pictures are referred to as graphic files (digital camera) and in the docs it says that certain laws violated in orange county and florida statue 827.03 and 837.06 is listed 827.03 is neglect, abuse, and aggravated abuse. ZTHis is on docdump #9 pages 2726/2727. This is so sounding like Caylee was photographed.
Hmmmm ... 837.06 is about making false official statements.
awakewriter
11-29-2008, 04:25 PM
If this has previously been posted I apologize, but I just found this on another site and was shocked.
An email that was included on the latest document dump that refers to Casey being pregnant prior to Caylee. It's unclear who wrote it or whom it's to. Someone thinks that the recent home tour Cindy gave the news shows 2 ultrasounds, one with a pink bow and one with a blue bow.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_17.htm
What is the year on that? I couldn't tell if it was '06 or '08. If it was '08, perhaps people were guessing that she was avoiding Cindy because she was pregnant.
Secretsolver
11-29-2008, 04:28 PM
I think she was referring to the time Casey was PG with Caylee. I believe that Cindy might have thought that the reason Casey was staying away in June/July was that maybe she was PG again. Then later Cindy tells her mother Shirley that she doesn't think Casey is pg again.
OneLostGrl
11-29-2008, 04:30 PM
Katie R. who lives at Sawgrass.
Matt C. states that a Katie R. called him, a friend that also knew Casey back from grade school that also lives in Sawgrass Apartments as well. She had seen a lot of police officers there yesterday at the apartment and then had heard by word of mouth or on the news about it. Another friend, Victoria A. also called him. They had all gone to high school with Casey.
Page 722 Lines 18-23 & Page 723 Lines 1-25 Matthew C. Interview with LE 7/17/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
When going through the transcripts from the last doc dump I came across these two girls names mentioned by Matt C. and wondered if this Katie R. may be the missing connection to the mystery of how Casey got ZG name connected with Sawgrass on June 17th. The part that I find interesting and needs to be looked into with more detail is Matt C. was interviewed on July 17, the day after Casey was arrested. The interview with Matt was in the afternoon and in the morning this Katie R. had already contacted Matt about seeing a lot of police at the apartment. Matt C. is making the assumption that she heard about Caylee by word of mouth or on the news.
I went looking for the time that the first TV news release was done on Caylee being missing and the only thing I could find was that Channel 6 did cast a news at 11:00PM on July 16 down in Orlando. There may have been something earlier but I am not finding it. Of course by the morning of July 17 it was being covered but I do not know in how much detail. So if this Katie had seen police it would have had to be sometime on July 16. What makes me raise an eyebrow is I have also been under the impression that there was not a large showing of police at Sawgrass. An officer was dispatched to the manager’s office and another officer in an unmarked car had driven Casey around on the now famous Orlando tour and had gone to Sawgrass with her to look at the place where Casey claimed the nanny would meet her with Caylee.
Does anyone who is local remember if there were notable police presences at Sawgrass? I know we had a person who lives at Sawgrass become a member on this forum who was answering questions about security and where the apartment was etc for us and he specifically said he did not see any huge police activity at all. He was at work during the day so he may have missed it also. It is just for this Katie to tell Matt C. about the seeing a lot of police on the morning of July 17 the police she saw had to have been there on July 16 and I am not finding anything in the police reports that remark about what officers responded to check out Sawgrass could have made up any more than possibly two cars at the complex at any one time.
In this doc dump this Katie was supposed to come and talk to LE. She never showed.
Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill on this? Any other thoughts on this.
I posted about my thoughts on these women last night. I didn't even know about Matt... something is being hidden, IMO
Broderick
11-29-2008, 04:42 PM
If this has previously been posted I apologize, but I just found this on another site and was shocked.
An email that was included on the latest document dump that refers to Casey being pregnant prior to Caylee. It's unclear who wrote it or whom it's to. Someone thinks that the recent home tour Cindy gave the news shows 2 ultrasounds, one with a pink bow and one with a blue bow.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_17.htm
Well, as far as those ultrasounds go, could they be Lee and Casey?
john's mom
11-29-2008, 04:52 PM
IIRC... AL asked Casey (via text messaging? from school?) if she would take the garbage out before she left the apartment.
I believe he told her it would be ok if she didn't have time or if ... ?
Did she just throw the garbage into the back of her car
instead of walking to the dumpster and tossing it in there?
.....snipped....
I think that Ricardo asked Amy to take the trash can to the curb, because he forgot to do it. (That info came from Amy's text messages.)
It is so easy to get confused with all these people. :bang:
Tony said he didn't know why the trash would be in her car, but he did recognize it as trash from his place.
MSinIndy
11-29-2008, 04:53 PM
This states Casey was pregnant twice.
Two quotes from the email:
"I don't think she thought Casey was PG the last time around either."
"I was so devastated last time when Casey was pregnant it was almost like it was my own child. "
sweetmop
11-29-2008, 04:58 PM
What is the year on that? I couldn't tell if it was '06 or '08. If it was '08, perhaps people were guessing that she was avoiding Cindy because she was pregnant.
The date on the email is 7/11/2008. Right before everything became public knowledge.
john's mom
11-29-2008, 05:09 PM
This states Casey was pregnant twice.
Two quotes from the email:
"I don't think she thought Casey was PG the last time around either."
"I was so devastated last time when Casey was pregnant it was almost like it was my own child. "
No, I believe they were wondering if KC was preggers in June/July 08, and maybe that was why she was avoiding CA.
"the last time" was when she was preggers w/ Caylee.
Janis396
11-29-2008, 05:21 PM
This states Casey was pregnant twice.
Two quotes from the email:
"I don't think she thought Casey was PG the last time around either."
"I was so devastated last time when Casey was pregnant it was almost like it was my own child. "
This almost sounds like Casey either had an abortion or gave the baby up for adoption. ?? Why did she feel like it was her own child, and yet she was so devastated? I don't get that.
SuziQ
11-29-2008, 05:35 PM
No, I believe they were wondering if KC was preggers in June/July 08, and maybe that was why she was avoiding CA.
"the last time" was when she was preggers w/ Caylee.
Exactly.
Blackwatch
11-29-2008, 05:56 PM
This almost sounds like Casey either had an abortion or gave the baby up for adoption. ?? Why did she feel like it was her own child, and yet she was so devastated? I don't get that.
There was talk a while back of Casey having a miscarriage. I don't remember who the baby daddy was and don't want to accuse anyone falsely.
shelbar53
11-29-2008, 07:14 PM
searching shovel has me stumped. I cant find the fake emails about "the battle of the bands". I was wondering what the date was on them. I goggled shovel and I found it was a band with the UNIVERSAL record label. maybe she was going to use that band name to include in one of her fake emails.
Shovel formed in 1992 when singer/songwriter Nate Sidek met guitarist Michael Foley at a birthday party. The two decided to start an industrial music project. After tossing around names and recruiting keyboardist Rob DeGrasse, drummer Pete Bennet, and bassist Davis Connelley, the band decided on using the name Shovel. In 1995 the band self released their demo (under the "Scrap Records" moniker), which attracted the attention of numerous major labels.
[edit] Major label years
In 1996, the band inked a deal with A&M Records. They then began work on their full length debut album. On April 8, 1997, the band released Terrestrials. The band then toured in support of bands such as Rob Zombie and Incubus. The album achieved some minor success through this, but failed to reach a major audience.
In 1998, the band switched to Universal Records after a corporate merge. The band began work on their second album. In March 1999, the band released A Step from Nowhere. After the band gained a spot on the Ozzfest tour, the album managed to chart on the Billboard Top 200 and had success with the singles "Idle Hands", "Constant", and "Ruin by Numbers". In 2000, founding bassist Davis Connelley left the band. He was replaced by Sam Grendel.
In 2001, the band released their final major-label album, Death Culture. The album was less successful than their last album, and quickly fell off the charts. Amid poor sales and conflict with their record label regarding promotion, the band was dropped from Universal in 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovel_%28band%29
Recovering-Lurker
11-29-2008, 07:17 PM
There was talk a while back of Casey having a miscarriage. I don't remember who the baby daddy was and don't want to accuse anyone falsely.
She said she had a miscarriage with Brandon S., but who knows if that is correct.
gardenhart
11-29-2008, 07:36 PM
This states Casey was pregnant twice.
Two quotes from the email:
"I don't think she thought Casey was PG the last time around either."
"I was so devastated last time when Casey was pregnant it was almost like it was my own child. "
It looks to me like it's dated July 11, 2008. Which means the prior pregnancy being talked about would be Caylee and they're speculating that Casey might be pregnant again now, or at least in July.
gardenhart
11-29-2008, 07:39 PM
This almost sounds like Casey either had an abortion or gave the baby up for adoption. ?? Why did she feel like it was her own child, and yet she was so devastated? I don't get that.
I think she's saying she felt like Casey was her own child and she was devastated at the mistake she had made - getting pregnant out of wedlock I assume.
beckaroozie
11-29-2008, 07:51 PM
This almost sounds like Casey either had an abortion or gave the baby up for adoption. ?? Why did she feel like it was her own child, and yet she was so devastated? I don't get that.
I got that the grandmother was shocked that CA and GA didn't even recognize the fact that their own daughter was preggers with Caylee. It had to be brought to their attention at Rick's wedding (Rick said she had on a short shirt and her belly was obviously protruding and her belly button was poked out at least 1/2"). KC had told CA and GA she was just gaining weight, and they had BELIEVED her even though she was already 7mos PG. I think they were speculating on the second pregnancy thing where she said she was PG by BSnow but miscarried recently. JMO
Winnts
11-29-2008, 07:57 PM
It looks to me like it's dated July 11, 2008. Which means the prior pregnancy being talked about would be Caylee and they're speculating that Casey might be pregnant again now, or at least in July.
Exactly. If you read all these emails in succession they are discussing Casey being missing since June 2008 and are speculating what on earth the reason may be she is staying away from Cindy.
Too much overspeculating by some of you. It's quite clear imo.
RR0004
11-29-2008, 09:42 PM
Katie R. who lives at Sawgrass.
Matt C. states that a Katie R. called him, a friend that also knew Casey back from grade school that also lives in Sawgrass Apartments as well. She had seen a lot of police officers there yesterday at the apartment and then had heard by word of mouth or on the news about it. Another friend, Victoria A. also called him. They had all gone to high school with Casey.
Page 722 Lines 18-23 & Page 723 Lines 1-25 Matthew C. Interview with LE 7/17/2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...Transcript.pdf
When going through the transcripts from the last doc dump I came across these two girls names mentioned by Matt C. and wondered if this Katie R. may be the missing connection to the mystery of how Casey got ZG name connected with Sawgrass on June 17th. The part that I find interesting and needs to be looked into with more detail is Matt C. was interviewed on July 17, the day after Casey was arrested. The interview with Matt was in the afternoon and in the morning this Katie R. had already contacted Matt about seeing a lot of police at the apartment. Matt C. is making the assumption that she heard about Caylee by word of mouth or on the news.
I went looking for the time that the first TV news release was done on Caylee being missing and the only thing I could find was that Channel 6 did cast a news at 11:00PM on July 16 down in Orlando. There may have been something earlier but I am not finding it. Of course by the morning of July 17 it was being covered but I do not know in how much detail. So if this Katie had seen police it would have had to be sometime on July 16. What makes me raise an eyebrow is I have also been under the impression that there was not a large showing of police at Sawgrass. An officer was dispatched to the manager’s office and another officer in an unmarked car had driven Casey around on the now famous Orlando tour and had gone to Sawgrass with her to look at the place where Casey claimed the nanny would meet her with Caylee.
Does anyone who is local remember if there were notable police presences at Sawgrass? I know we had a person who lives at Sawgrass become a member on this forum who was answering questions about security and where the apartment was etc for us and he specifically said he did not see any huge police activity at all. He was at work during the day so he may have missed it also. It is just for this Katie to tell Matt C. about the seeing a lot of police on the morning of July 17 the police she saw had to have been there on July 16 and I am not finding anything in the police reports that remark about what officers responded to check out Sawgrass could have made up any more than possibly two cars at the complex at any one time.
In this doc dump this Katie was supposed to come and talk to LE. She never showed.
Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill on this? Any other thoughts on this.
...and she said she was going to give LE names of other people who lived at Sawgrass. According to D he knew of no one else...so that makes me wonder. Didn't LA start sending out text messages on the 16th about Caylee being missing? Maybe she was on alert after receiving a message (?) Could the message have read last seen at Sawgrass Apts...or maybe the website gave that info early on? Just guessing, but I did not like that KR not showing up, nor did she call. Something is up with that. (Wouldn't LE follow up on it if they thought it was pertinent?)
OneLostGrl
11-30-2008, 12:12 AM
...and she said she was going to give LE names of other people who lived at Sawgrass. According to D he knew of no one else...so that makes me wonder. Didn't LA start sending out text messages on the 16th about Caylee being missing? Maybe she was on alert after receiving a message (?) Could the message have read last seen at Sawgrass Apts...or maybe the website gave that info early on? Just guessing, but I did not like that KR not showing up, nor did she call. Something is up with that. (Wouldn't LE follow up on it if they thought it was pertinent?)
No doubt. I'm sure if there is anything to know about these girls in relation to Casey LE knows about it. I just wish we did :)
daisy7
11-30-2008, 08:53 AM
Can someone point me to where KC's incoming texts are in the new docs.?
TIA
Valrico Analyzer
11-30-2008, 02:47 PM
Intrestingly, The docs have statements from 3 kids (age 16/17) about a discovery at the east end of Suburban Dr. (near school?) on 09/12/08..involving a tethered rope in a pond or hole and freshly dug dirt. As many tips that have been sent in, this is intresting that they included this one. It also states that none of them contacted media. But there's nothing else about this. I know the date is way off the time line, but could this be another ace in the hole for the prosecution?
passionflower
11-30-2008, 08:14 PM
Ironically, quite shortly after that test was administered George moved out of the house and filed for divorce. We are led to believe that it was because of gambling debts which we now find out were paid for by a Workman's Comp claim and were of Nigerian scam descent. Now, for a minute think what might have been found out when Caylee was born in those tests with JG? Lee moved out too. Lee didn't come around when George was there after George came back home. According to George, after it was revealed Casey was pregnant (8th month), Lee and CAsey's relationship was strained.
Did Casey tell the truth to friends about the abuse that possibly started in middle school? WHAT does ANNIE know?
I didn't realize that both LA/GA moved out at the same time. Their relationship is strained from what is read, but LA seemed to be helpful to CA/KC. so GA????? he is a VERY questionable man........on many things IMO
passionflower
11-30-2008, 08:18 PM
I got that the grandmother was shocked that CA and GA didn't even recognize the fact that their own daughter was preggers with Caylee. It had to be brought to their attention at Rick's wedding (Rick said she had on a short shirt and her belly was obviously protruding and her belly button was poked out at least 1/2"). KC had told CA and GA she was just gaining weight, and they had BELIEVED her even though she was already 7mos PG. I think they were speculating on the second pregnancy thing where she said she was PG by BSnow but miscarried recently. JMO
IMO, GA/CA KNEW KC was pregnant but didn't want to answer any questions.
IMO CA wanted the baby as hers to control and lie about the father...........
Jolynna
11-30-2008, 08:26 PM
It looks to me like it's dated July 11, 2008. Which means the prior pregnancy being talked about would be Caylee and they're speculating that Casey might be pregnant again now, or at least in July.
Casey's grandmother was speculating that Casey was hiding from Cindy during June/July because she didn't want Cindy to see her and know.
It was a grandmother and great aunt trying to guess why Casey ran off and was hiding. They were clearly guessing.
If Casey had a miscarriage by herself in a bathroom before June it was a very early miscarriage. None of her friends said Casey was showing. I don't think she would have told Cindy or her grandmother or her great aunt.
I think the miscarriage story was a lie to get sympathy and attention.
MOO
not_my_kids
11-30-2008, 08:58 PM
Casey's grandmother was speculating that Casey was hiding from Cindy during June/July because she didn't want Cindy to see her and know.
It was a grandmother and great aunt trying to guess why Casey ran off and was hiding. They were clearly guessing.
If Casey had a miscarriage by herself in a bathroom before June it was a very early miscarriage. None of her friends said Casey was showing. I don't think she would have told Cindy or her grandmother or her great aunt.
I think the miscarriage story was a lie to get sympathy and attention.
MOO
Agreed, I don't think there was a miscarriage. The two most common things for manipulative female liars to lie about are rape and pregnancy. And I can't say that I am sorry for KC or the child if there was a pregnancy and miscarriage. MOO.
Friday
11-30-2008, 09:06 PM
...and she said she was going to give LE names of other people who lived at Sawgrass. According to D he knew of no one else...so that makes me wonder. Didn't LA start sending out text messages on the 16th about Caylee being missing? Maybe she was on alert after receiving a message (?) Could the message have read last seen at Sawgrass Apts...or maybe the website gave that info early on? Just guessing, but I did not like that KR not showing up, nor did she call. Something is up with that. (Wouldn't LE follow up on it if they thought it was pertinent?)
I'm suspicious of KR too. In fact she didn't just not show up for an interview, she flatly refused LE's request for an interview. At the same time, she told LE that Vicky A. lived at Sawgrass and was a good friend of Casey's.
Conspicuously absent from this last 700 page document release is any statement or info about Vicky A. which makes me think (hope?) she's an important witness.
Lovejac
11-30-2008, 10:40 PM
I'm suspicious of KR too. In fact she didn't just not show up for an interview, she flatly refused LE's request for an interview. At the same time, she told LE that Vicky A. lived at Sawgrass and was a good friend of Casey's.
Conspicuously absent from this last 700 page document release is any statement or info about Vicky Aleman, which makes me think (hope?) she's an important witness.
Maybe her statement will provide HOW casey got a look at Zanny's visitor card she filled out?:waitasec:
gardenhart
12-01-2008, 12:49 AM
Agreed, I don't think there was a miscarriage. The two most common things for manipulative female liars to lie about are rape and pregnancy. And I can't say that I am sorry for KC or the child if there was a pregnancy and miscarriage. MOO.
I don't recall the details, but didn't she tell her friends the miscarriage story as a reason for avoiding Brandon at a party? Or to cover for her reaction? With Casey, it's probably more likely she stole from him and wanted to get out of there before he saw her.
another doc dump??? per update??? 10-15---wow! is this new or expected? :eek:
eg@gm
12-01-2008, 11:41 AM
Okay - there was a few pages of documents that had pictures of all of the players. The picture of WW does not look like the same WW we have seen from myspace pictures. Were we mistaken? The pic we saw from myspace pics of WW - he seemed to be older, had facial hair, and looked more hispanic. The guy in the document picture does not look hispanic at all. Maybe this could be a really old picture, but he just doesn't look like the same guy.
tippytoes
12-01-2008, 11:44 AM
Okay - there was a few pages of documents that had pictures of all of the players. The picture of WW does not look like the same WW we have seen from myspace pictures. Were we mistaken? The pic we saw from myspace pics of WW - he seemed to be older, had facial hair, and looked more hispanic. The guy in the document picture does not look hispanic at all. Maybe this could be a really old picture, but he just doesn't look like the same guy.
I think the doc pictures were taken from the people's driver's licenses (George with the mustache and KC with long hair).
That said, I never thought WW has hispanic, but I may have missed the boat on that. His driver's license pic is pretty creepy...
eg@gm
12-01-2008, 12:00 PM
I think the doc pictures were taken from the people's driver's licenses (George with the mustache and KC with long hair).
That said, I never thought WW has hispanic, but I may have missed the boat on that. His driver's license pic is pretty creepy...
I just remember people describing him as "homely." This guy in this DL pic does not look "homely." I just tried doing a myspace search for him to find that pic of him again and no pages come up with his name and location.
tippytoes
12-01-2008, 12:07 PM
I just remember people describing him as "homely." This guy in this DL pic does not look "homely." I just tried doing a myspace search for him to find that pic of him again and no pages come up with his name and location.
LOL--I guess it's all subjective!
I think the DL pic of WW is scary (as in, if it were a prison mug shot, I wouldn't be surprised, however, maybe he's just not photogenic :waitasec:)
I saw his Myspace pics when this all broke...and if I remember, I only looked at his main page (it may have been set to private), but it was a picture from a distance (with a car or a truck in the background?)
Color me unimpressed with most of Casey's "boys." Jesse, Ricardo and TL? Meh...the only one I thought was cute was the disgraced cop, Tony R, but his IMs were most unattractive and desperate.
Friday
12-01-2008, 12:13 PM
Maybe her statement will provide HOW casey got a look at Zanny's visitor card she filled out?:waitasec:
That's what I'm thinking. And what about Kiomarie whose husband refused to cooperate with LE--don't they live at Sawgrass, too? Do you know offhand if they're on the Witness List? If you don't I'll look it up later.
Recovering-Lurker
12-01-2008, 12:13 PM
Okay - there was a few pages of documents that had pictures of all of the players. The picture of WW does not look like the same WW we have seen from myspace pictures. Were we mistaken? The pic we saw from myspace pics of WW - he seemed to be older, had facial hair, and looked more hispanic. The guy in the document picture does not look hispanic at all. Maybe this could be a really old picture, but he just doesn't look like the same guy.
I remember seeing a different picture also. The picture did not look like this picture at all. And it is a scary pic imo.
Also, I was always under the impression that Lauren G. was the one with brown hair, but the picture in the docs of Laren G. is the blonde Lauren. That was new to me.
not_my_kids
12-01-2008, 12:21 PM
Ok, nomally, I avoid commenting on the physical appearance of those involved in this case. Mainly, cause, hey, there's a reason I don't post pics of myself, and it ain't internet security, if you catch my drift.
However, I will comment this time. I also was unimpressed with the casey crew of men. The only reason I comment is because it may be a way of her boosting her ego. (Surround yourself with less attractive people, so you will always be the prettiest one in the room.) Just more proof to me that she hasn't really cared about any of these guys. Maybe somewhat with Jesse, I'm not sure there. But the rest of them were just htere to make her look good. My opinion only.
laniefi
12-01-2008, 12:38 PM
There is an article in this weeks Inquirer about finding a shallow grave not far from the A's home, off of a dirt road. It was a place Casey was familia with.
They felt the body had been there, but Casey panicked and moved it. They found a cross like Caylee wore and little beads.
They also said the body was taken from there, and put into Casey's car and taken to the A's, where it was transferred to another vehicle to get rid of it. HMMMM.....
I wonder whose car it was transferred to???
I know it is a rag magazine, but they were right about so many aspects of the Laci Peterson case.
I read this article as well and thought about posting it on the rumour thread simply because of the source, but...
I find it very interesting that the Anthony's back yard backs right up to the woods - the same woods that Suburban drive is on.
Could she have borrowed the neighbor's shovel, went out her back yard and through the woods to dig the grave and then return the shovel?
eg@gm
12-01-2008, 12:40 PM
LOL--I guess it's all subjective!
I think the DL pic of WW is scary (as in, if it were a prison mug shot, I wouldn't be surprised, however, maybe he's just not photogenic :waitasec:)
I saw his Myspace pics when this all broke...and if I remember, I only looked at his main page (it may have been set to private), but it was a picture from a distance (with a car or a truck in the background?)
Color me unimpressed with most of Casey's "boys." Jesse, Ricardo and TL? Meh...the only one I thought was cute was the disgraced cop, Tony R, but his IMs were most unattractive and desperate.
LOL - I know, I thought Tony R was pretty hot.
eg@gm
12-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Now that I think about it, I don't really remember where I saw that pic of WW before. I remember it was a small pic - maybe he posted comments with it or something. Oh, it might have been a screen shots of some previous comments he made - and then he later changed his default page. I don't know - I just don't think that was him - or this new pic of WW isn't him.
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