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NJ Lawyer
11-26-2008, 07:58 PM
WFTV reports that the latest documents (released 11/26/08) include allegations of sexual conduct including overtures by Lee towards Casey and possibly abuse of Casey by George. Has anyone identified the precise documents that contain these allegations? Perhaps we can discuss them here.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2995192&postcount=75
cfromcanada
11-26-2008, 08:05 PM
Because it comes from KC's mouth, I just can't pass a judgement on it. That girl will do anything to make herself look like a victim. I was actually surprised that to date we had not heard allegations of a rape or assault from her by one of her exes!
Mom4life
11-26-2008, 08:11 PM
I just read about this in the new docs released. IIRC, it was from a statement JG had made but they blocked out the names on the docs from Fox.
cuppy199
11-26-2008, 08:16 PM
Just something else KC made up IMO.Just me though:)
darlin gal
11-26-2008, 08:17 PM
On the pdf documents from Channel 13, they are not blocked out. It clearly states "Lee".
NJ Lawyer
11-26-2008, 08:19 PM
I'll add some links:
According to Anthony Lazarro, Casey told Lazzarro that Lee tried to touch Casey:
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog..._R_Page_36.htm
And at the bottom of this doc: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog...20_Page_48.htm, the bottom says:
"Jesse mentioned that in September of 2005, Casey mentioned that she didn't feel comfortable around her <blacked out>. Casey allegedly told him that before this day, <blacked out> had tried to have sex with her. Jesse didn't elaborate, but from the context of the conversation, he believed that Casey meant <blacked out> had tried to pressure Casey into having sex with her."
Note: Darlin Gal says Channel 13's pdf document doesn't have a blacked out part and clearly says Lee. Still not sure if the last word in the statement should say "with him ."
Patty G
11-26-2008, 08:20 PM
WFTV reports that the latest documents (released 11/26/08) include allegations of sexual conduct including overtures by Lee towards Casey and possibly abuse of Casey by George. Has anyone identified the precise documents that contain these allegations? Perhaps we can discuss them here.
The information is in one of these doucments.
Casey Documents Part 1
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...1-2320%20f.pdf
Casey Documents Part 2
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...1-2320%20f.pdf
chesterp
11-26-2008, 08:21 PM
I have not seen any docs. on this, but I have always thought it was quite possible, there was a problem in my family with this situation and KC and my family member act alike. The mother in my family is a clone of CA and I will not rest until my family issue is resolved. There is NO STATUE of limitation on sexual abuse of a child under 12 in Fl. I have brought the police into this matter and since I was not the victim can not do a thing until the victim decides too. She refuses since this happened 20 years ago and I believe this man is doing it again, I have no proof. I will not give up on this man being arrested one day for his actions.
The A's are so dysfunctional and appearances mean everything to CA. I do believe this family is full of secrets...........................CA does not want exposed even if it is not this allegation, which I think is possible, but no proof.
Pink Panther
11-26-2008, 08:26 PM
If the family fell within what most of us understand "normal" to be, I don't think anyone would be entertaining thoughts about this allegation. This family isn't "normal". We don't know why...but for the most part, most of us sense this. It may not be because of incest but whatever it is, something is horribly amiss.
MOO
cuppy199
11-26-2008, 08:27 PM
I have not seen any docs. on this, but I have always thought it was quite possible, there was a problem in my family with this situation and KC and my family member act alike. The mother in my family is a clone of CA and I will not rest until my family issue is resolved. There is NO STATUE of limitation on sexual abuse of a child under 12 in Fl. I have brought the police into this matter and since I was not the victim can not do a thing until the victim decides too. She refuses since this happened 20 years ago and I believe this man is doing it again, I have no proof. I will not give up on this man being arrested one day for his actions.
The A's are so dysfunctional and appearances mean everything to CA. I do believe this family is full of secrets...........................CA does not want exposed even if it is not this allegation, which I think is possible, but no proof.
Im sorry to hear that :( I know what its like I went through it as a child also. But even if it is true it shouldnt give the women a free pass for what she has done. I myself find it hard to believe anything that comes out of KC mouth so Im not convinced it happen at all.But thats just me:)
Mom4life
11-26-2008, 08:28 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't 2005 when CA and GA were separated? I also remember seeing that LA wouldn't go to the house when GA was there. Also when were the police called to the house? I thought that was in 2005 also. I can't remember all of these dates for the timeline! I think my head will explode if I try to think of one more date to remember..
CBTampa
11-26-2008, 08:35 PM
Maybe this is why LA wouldn't take the lie detector test.
txmama
11-26-2008, 08:48 PM
Those documents won't pull up for me. Is anyone else having a problem with them?
NJ Lawyer
11-26-2008, 08:53 PM
I recall Jose Baez saying something to the effect of "When everything comes out, you will be very understanding of Casey". If Lee is Caylee's bio dad then maybe Baez thinks he can get a paternity test and then expect the jury to excuse whatever occurred to Caylee since there is evidence that Lee had sex with Casey? If Lee really is the bio dad, Casey might have been able to pull this thing off by saying "My family is ****ed up so I gave up Caylee for a private adoption and I'm not saying who I gave her to in order to protect Caylee", then a jury might just let her go. Problem is, there was a dead human body in her trunk and one of the hairs in the trunks was Caylee's and it has a death band on it. I DON'T think a jury will be sympathetic to proof of sexual abuse (pregnancy by Lee) when there's a dead kid involved.
But wow. If Lee really is Caylee's Dad then*&%$ is really going to hit the fan.
tiredofthis
11-26-2008, 08:57 PM
Those documents won't pull up for me. Is anyone else having a problem with them?
Yes..
skippi
11-26-2008, 08:57 PM
I just want to barf... Cindy will try and cover up anything that crops up!
I am fully expecting another Today show performance after this latest BOMBSHELL. :rolleyes:
JaneInOz
11-26-2008, 08:59 PM
Well..............
In the "caylee and spots around her mouth" thread I said that one of the linked photos of Lee and Caylee was the first photo I had really seen of Caylee Crying
Lee is holding Caylee and she is (by my view only from seeing the photo) desperate to get out of his arms and looks terribly upset ...........
Lee has been so *absent* as opposed to the rest of the Anthonys and I think that is because he has *something* and I don't know what it is - to HIDE
kageykaren
11-26-2008, 09:07 PM
I think we should keep in mind when these statements of abuse given by KC were said & remember these were 3 males she was decieving, one she accued of being babys daddy.My feeling is she was setting up her " script". The walls are crumblin crumblin dowwwwn
TigerBalm
11-26-2008, 09:19 PM
I think we should keep in mind when these statements of abuse given by KC were said & remember these were 3 males she was decieving, one she accued of being babys daddy.My feeling is she was setting up her " script". The walls are crumblin crumblin dowwwwn
True, also keep in mind that this is all hearsay, there is no way the defense will get these statements into evidence through these witnesses. They will have to get the accusers to admit to the offenses or put Casey herself on the stand (yeah, like that is going to happen).
Janis396
11-26-2008, 09:23 PM
I just want to barf... Cindy will try and cover up anything that crops up!
I am fully expecting another Today show performance after this latest BOMBSHELL. :rolleyes:
Oh, I'm dying to see how Cindy tries to spin this information, and who she tries to blame, considering this implicates her OTHER child.
nancy botwin
11-26-2008, 09:24 PM
Oh, I'm dying to see how Cindy tries to spin this information, and who she tries to blame, considering this implicates her OTHER child.
ME TOO. This NEEDS to be addressed, IMO. And if these accusations are untrue, LEE needs to stand up and defend himself NOW, IMO.
Recovering-Lurker
11-26-2008, 09:25 PM
Oh, I'm dying to see how Cindy tries to spin this information, and who she tries to blame, considering this implicates her OTHER child.
Oh yeah. I can't wait. Casey or Lee???
kageykaren
11-26-2008, 09:25 PM
Tiger Balm thanks for reminding me to tune on left brain thinking. Sluething makes me so emotional.
tiredofthis
11-26-2008, 09:26 PM
Im sorry to hear that :( I know what its like I went through it as a child also. But even if it is true it shouldnt give the women a free pass for what she has done. I myself find it hard to believe anything that comes out of KC mouth so Im not convinced it happen at all.But thats just me:)
I also was molested as a child. Sorry to hear that you were too.
I tend to believe KC on this. I feel abuse did happen, but that doesn't excuse her actions over the past several months or years.
zadari
11-26-2008, 09:28 PM
ME TOO. This NEEDS to be addressed, IMO. And if these accusations are untrue, LEE needs to stand up and defend himself NOW, IMO.
i doubt him defending himself would do any good the public would just call him a liar .. that family will never have a decent life again .so they may as well fess up now and get it over with
gibby207
11-26-2008, 09:30 PM
So, where's Lee? Is he going to surface now?
OneLostGrl
11-26-2008, 09:31 PM
me too. This needs to be addressed, imo. And if these accusations are untrue, lee needs to stand up and defend himself now, imo.
ita!!
Recovering-Lurker
11-26-2008, 09:31 PM
So, where's Lee? Is he going to surface now?
Doubt it.
Recovering-Lurker
11-26-2008, 09:33 PM
i doubt him defending himself would do any good the public would just call him a liar .. that family will never have a decent life again .so they may as well fess up now and get it over with
It would be better than refusing a polygraph, refusing to give a DNA sample, lawyering up and not showing his face. IMO.
SeriouslySearching
11-26-2008, 09:37 PM
ME TOO. This NEEDS to be addressed, IMO. And if these accusations are untrue, LEE needs to stand up and defend himself NOW, IMO.Everyone kept asking why Cindy, George, or Lee didn't say a word to or about LP when he was saying that it was possible that Lee was the father of Caylee. They have not to this day said one thing about it...which for this family is an eery silence and truly uncharacteristic. This says more towards the validity of the claim than it does towards it being a false accusation. Lee's absence started around the same time LP made the statements. Is it a coincidence?
California Dreamer
11-26-2008, 09:37 PM
I'm just checking in and back to reading. This is interesting: Go here http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7952044&version=20&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1 and select the 10th set of documents.
Down towards the bottom all are of great grandmas emails...all I can say is BOMBSHELL!!!
On the other thread, someone responded to the email that Cindy sent Casey and said that Cindy stated she was going nuts not knowing what Casey is doing - it shows control -
so everyone thinks Cindy is controlling - and Casey states she told Cindy about this alleged abuse in middle school - if Cindy is this controlling this would not have been swept under the rug
Casey is doing exactly what Casey does - she tells tall tales and people believe her - and thats exactly whats going on here
As I've said - Casey has to tell LE what happened to Caylee and where her body is - THEN I might believe a tiny shred of things she's spouting
Theonly1
11-26-2008, 09:38 PM
More highlights from Part 1:
From the garbage bag in Casey's trunk there was a receipt from Fusian Ultra Lounge dated 5/24/08 at 1:50 hours of one of TonE's roommates.
Also, several items from the garbage came from TL's apartment. TL said he had no idea why the trash would be in Casey's trunk (especially since she had come from Grandma's house and not his apartment).
--
On 6/23 TL went to the A family home with Casey to get the gas cans. The shed was locked and TONY used a tire iron to pry the lock open.
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We now know that Casey told the molestation/abuse stories regarding Lee to both Jesse and TL.
Theonly1
11-26-2008, 09:41 PM
Everyone kept asking why Cindy, George, or Lee didn't say a word to or about LP when he was saying that it was possible that Lee was the father of Caylee. They have not to this day said one thing about it...which for this family is an eery silence and truly uncharacteristic. This says more towards the validity of the claim than it does towards it being a false accusation. Lee's absence started around the same time LP made the statements. Is it a coincidence?
I just want to state that while LP does seem to spin theories and put them out there as "truths", many of the scenarios he's put forth on NG (like about CA choking Casey) are right here in this document dump. There are like 4 "revelations" that we heard first from LP.
TigerBalm
11-26-2008, 09:42 PM
Tiger Balm thanks for reminding me to tune on left brain thinking. Sluething makes me so emotional.
You're welcome!! :blowkiss:
This really upsets me, whether her accusations are true or not does not give her an excuse for murder.
Also, she isn't accused of killing her accuser, she is accused of murdering her precious INNOCENT 2 year old daughter! :(
Janis396
11-26-2008, 09:46 PM
I'm just checking in and back to reading. This is interesting: Go here http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7952044&version=20&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1 and select the 10th set of documents.
Down towards the bottom all are of great grandmas emails...all I can say is BOMBSHELL!!!
WOW, you are NOT kidding!!
not_my_kids
11-26-2008, 09:47 PM
This is a bit ridiculous, I read part one, went and made pie, took notes on part one, went and made potatoes for tomorrow, Came back, read the rest of the thread, found the new one, opened part 2 of the documents, now I'm going to make turkey breast for the salad tomorrow. This is nuts.
If the next doc dump is the night before Christmas, I quit. I swear it.
not_my_kids
11-26-2008, 09:48 PM
Can I ask, what is chloro2? I seem to remember seeing it somewhere, but don't know what it means. Is it just another name for chloroform?
Jolynna
11-26-2008, 09:51 PM
I just started reading the e-mail between Cindy and Rick. Cindy isn't sounding like a very nice person.
Cindy swears like a sailor.
BeanE
11-26-2008, 09:52 PM
I just want to state that while LP does seem to spin theories and put them out there as "truths", many of the scenarios he's put forth on NG (like about CA choking Casey) are right here in this document dump. There are like 4 "revelations" that we heard first from LP.
I keep thinking of the FBI agent on NG who said that anything LP said you could take to the bank.
LP rocks!
alwaysonmymind
11-26-2008, 09:52 PM
OMG_ have you seen the e-mail from CA's brother on 8-21-2008??!!
It is also in the 10th set of docs from fox orlando.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_50.htm
TURBOTHINK
11-26-2008, 09:52 PM
Um, in the CFNews docs, set one. The names are not redacted.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...1-2320%20f.pdf
This just made me ill when I opened this up with the picture of Caylee and the word **DECEASED*** in real big print hit me.
FootballMom
11-26-2008, 09:53 PM
This is a bit ridiculous, I read part one, went and made pie, took notes on part one, went and made potatoes for tomorrow, Came back, read the rest of the thread, found the new one, opened part 2 of the documents, now I'm going to make turkey breast for the salad tomorrow. This is nuts.
If the next doc dump is the night before Christmas, I quit. I swear it.
I don't think I've ever been so happy (and thankful) to be laid up on my couch with bronchitis!!! My sweet neighbor will be delivering my Thanksgiving dinner plate to me tomorrow and my son won't be home until Sunday!
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 09:53 PM
I am reading I think it is the 5th file and it says that Katie Sue R. refused to come and be interviewed. Does that make anyone else's hinky meter go up??????
Capri
11-26-2008, 09:55 PM
I think we should keep in mind when these statements of abuse given by KC were said & remember these were 3 males she was decieving, one she accued of being babys daddy.My feeling is she was setting up her " script". The walls are crumblin crumblin dowwwwn
Quite possibly true, if so, stating it to JG in 2005 is a long time to plan a script. So hard to know when she has lied about so many other things, but it would explain her sexual promiscuity.
gardenhart
11-26-2008, 09:55 PM
It's apparent from reading these documents that LP's big super inside source has been RG and/or JG. That's where he got the story about the fight and the choking and that's where he got the stuff about Lee fathering Caylee.
You all can go to town with the Lee story, but I think I'll wait until there's a more reliable source than Casey before I give it any credence.
Nashville Grrrl
11-26-2008, 09:56 PM
From an e-mail to Cindy from her brother Rick:
"My sister is a moron. You need help. You are delirious! You and George have been walking thru life with blinders on."
I think I love me some Rick!! :blowkiss:
sweetmop
11-26-2008, 09:56 PM
Did you guys notice that in the 5th doc, it looks like Casey was going to fess up, and take the detectives to where Caylee was, but then Jose was contacted and he put a stop to that happening!
This was on here way to jail the day of the arrest on murder charge!
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
sweetmop
11-26-2008, 09:57 PM
From an e-mail to Cindy from her brother Rick:
"My sister is a moron. You need help. You are delirious! You and George have been walking thru life with blinders on."
I think I love me some Rick!! :blowkiss:
Me too!
You go, Rick!!!
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 09:58 PM
Did you guys notice that in the 5th doc, it looks like Casey was going to fess up, and take the detectives to where Caylee was, but then Jose was contacted and he put a stop to that happening!
This was on here way to jail the day of the arrest on murder charge!
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
yes it seems that way. I don't think anything she was going to say would be truthful though. jmo
Marple
11-26-2008, 09:59 PM
CA told her mom that she would sell her house and rent an apartment to get custody of Caylee.
I guess that's where KC's spin about her mom giving her the house and getting an apartment came from.
butwhatif?
11-26-2008, 10:00 PM
Can I ask, what is chloro2? I seem to remember seeing it somewhere, but don't know what it means. Is it just another name for chloroform?
I think I read that its more like LSD. Plain chloroform is a downer, but chloro2 would bring on hallucinations.
not_my_kids
11-26-2008, 10:02 PM
I think I read that its more like LSD. Plain chloroform is a downer, but chloro2 would bring on hallucinations.
Okay, thank you, I was curious.
FootballMom
11-26-2008, 10:03 PM
I am reading I think it is the 5th file and it says that Katie Sue R. refused to come and be interviewed. Does that make anyone else's hinky meter go up??????
I saw that too but who the heck is Katie???
Recovering-Lurker
11-26-2008, 10:05 PM
I am reading I think it is the 5th file and it says that Katie Sue R. refused to come and be interviewed. Does that make anyone else's hinky meter go up??????
I saw that too and thought the same thing. She didn't show up for the first time she arranged and didn't call, and then she refused. WTF? And who is she?
alwaysonmymind
11-26-2008, 10:05 PM
Did you guys notice that in the 5th doc, it looks like Casey was going to fess up, and take the detectives to where Caylee was, but then Jose was contacted and he put a stop to that happening!
This was on here way to jail the day of the arrest on murder charge!
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
KC stated she would help them if her attorney was present.
I do not believe for one second she intended to help them.
This is too much like the "get me out of jail and I will tell you where Caylee is"
carp. This is why LP got her out. When she did not "help" he went off her bond. :furious::furious:
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 10:05 PM
I saw that too but who the heck is Katie???
I think in the earlier docs dumped today she was friends with some of Casey's friends and only met Casey and Caylee once. But you'd think she'd want to say what she knows,..even if its nothing,.. very weird imo
Nashville Grrrl
11-26-2008, 10:06 PM
I am reading I think it is the 5th file and it says that Katie Sue R. refused to come and be interviewed. Does that make anyone else's hinky meter go up??????
Not necessarily. Any lawyer would have advised her NOT to do an interview without a subpoena requiring it.
FWIW, I had a horrible experience with a police interview once, and I would never do it willingly again... and I am a nice, law abiding citizen. :)
marleysmom
11-26-2008, 10:07 PM
WOW, you are NOT kidding!!
I haven't gotten to the gma's email, but the brother's are enough to make your head spin. And way to go CA giving a big FU to her brother. Wow, just when I thought it couldn't get crazier!
all I can say is that this is why we haven't heard from the A's family - Rick is asking the hard questions, he's telling it like it is - this shows with no doubt that the A's are in total denial about this whole ordeal
Recovering-Lurker
11-26-2008, 10:10 PM
From an e-mail to Cindy from her brother Rick:
"My sister is a moron. You need help. You are delirious! You and George have been walking thru life with blinders on."
I think I love me some Rick!! :blowkiss:
Me too!
You go, Rick!!!
Me too! I want an "I pink puffy heart Rick" t-shirt. I can't believe he is even related to this family.
not_my_kids
11-26-2008, 10:11 PM
I am fine tooth combing these, so I am way behind, not to mention cooking dinne for tomorrow, but anyway. In the very first part, where they rehash the incident with the tow yard owner, he never mentions Ga leaving to get the money and coming back with the money and the gas cans to get the car. Was that left out as unimportant, did I imagine that part in the first doc dump, or sis tow guy's story change?
(Or am I just too tired to be doing any more of this?)
FootballMom
11-26-2008, 10:16 PM
I think in the earlier docs dumped today she was friends with some of Casey's friends and only met Casey and Caylee once. But you'd think she'd want to say what she knows,..even if its nothing,.. very weird imo
maybe she is one of the "other girls" that we saw pictures of earlier today.... I've had another "out there" thought for a long time that maybe one of the cast of KC characters was a babysitter for the group of girls...
OneLostGrl
11-26-2008, 10:19 PM
I just started reading the e-mail between Cindy and Rick. Cindy isn't sounding like a very nice person.
Cindy swears like a sailor.
I'm gonna send Tricia a message later about if I can contact him see if he'd come talk to us.. the more I read I really don't think he would be upset.
passionflower
11-26-2008, 10:20 PM
Well..............
In the "caylee and spots around her mouth" thread I said that one of the linked photos of Lee and Caylee was the first photo I had really seen of Caylee Crying
Lee is holding Caylee and she is (by my view only from seeing the photo) desperate to get out of his arms and looks terribly upset ...........
Lee has been so *absent* as opposed to the rest of the Anthonys and I think that is because he has *something* and I don't know what it is - to HIDE
odd....CA/GA has never tried to sue anyone or defend LA
on any of the allegations of sex with KC :behindbar KC does act like
someone that has been in an incest family, IMO
steelergirl
11-26-2008, 10:20 PM
please forgive me...still kinda new to all this...but is there a link for the documents that works and is readable? apparently i'm getting too old and even with my glasses I can't read these!!!!
TIA!! :)
California Dreamer
11-26-2008, 10:22 PM
OMG_ have you seen the e-mail from CA's brother on 8-21-2008??!!
It is also in the 10th set of docs from fox orlando.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_50.htm
OMG...I just brought over that exact link to post!!! I was reading to catch up here from my last post and saw yours. Can you believe it?!? He said what MANY of us have been wanting to scream at her! WOW!
I do feel sorry for Great Grandma - I'm sure she didn't want her business strewn all over the internet!
SeriouslySearching
11-26-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm gonna send Tricia a message later about if I can contact him see if he'd come talk to us.. the more I read I really don't think he would be upset.We had a thread started, but it was closed and we weren't allowed to discuss it further, IIRC. Since this has all come to light, maybe they will change their minds on the subject.
Jolynna
11-26-2008, 10:23 PM
The great grandmother's e-mails to Mary Lou give great insight to the dynamics of George's and Cindy's marriage.
According to Cindy's mom...
Cindy is only staying with George because his lawyer says Cindy will have to pay alimony and give George half of the house. Cindy WON'T give up the house she paid every penny for. George is a loser that can't keep a job. Casey isn't making enough to pay for herself and Caylee so Cindy is supporting them too. Cindy would kill herself but has to stay alive for Caylee and her parents.
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 10:25 PM
Is anyone else reading the IMs with this Lassen guy??? UNREAL,...
ElizaAvalon
11-26-2008, 10:25 PM
O.M.G.
I just read the emails to Cindy from her brother and her mother.
Her brother had me LMAO.
He says the same things to her in the emails that I say to the TV when she is on.
SeriouslySearching
11-26-2008, 10:25 PM
I am fine tooth combing these, so I am way behind, not to mention cooking dinne for tomorrow, but anyway. In the very first part, where they rehash the incident with the tow yard owner, he never mentions Ga leaving to get the money and coming back with the money and the gas cans to get the car. Was that left out as unimportant, did I imagine that part in the first doc dump, or sis tow guy's story change?
(Or am I just too tired to be doing any more of this?)This story, IIRC, was told by the woman who worked in the tow yard office about them leaving and GA coming back to get the car.
FootballMom
11-26-2008, 10:26 PM
I think I might have an idea about KC's comment, "they haven't even found her clothes"... in one of GGM's emails she asks Cindy & crew if the nanny had all of Caylee's clothes or where they were located and to ask KC about them....
California Dreamer
11-26-2008, 10:26 PM
Is anyone else reading the IMs with this Lassen guy??? UNREAL,...
Where are they? I'm going to have ADD because of this case!!!
FootballMom
11-26-2008, 10:27 PM
Is anyone else reading the IMs with this Lassen guy??? UNREAL,...
HUH? where is that? I'm still trying to read through the 10th set of GGM's emails... haven't even read Rick's yet...
not_my_kids
11-26-2008, 10:28 PM
This story, IIRC, was told by the woman who worked in the tow yard office about them leaving and GA coming back to get the car.
Thanks SS, at this point, I trust your memory more than mine. lol
SeriouslySearching
11-26-2008, 10:30 PM
BTW~ I want to say Thanks to everyone who watched NG tonight and did some fine reporting here! My fam has taken over my house, my tvs, and this is all I am going to get until I can get to the dvr later. LOL I was going crazy here!! I knew I was missing the BOMBSHELLS falling all over the place tonight!
OneLostGrl
11-26-2008, 10:30 PM
The great grandmother's e-mails to Mary Lou give great insight to the dynamics of George's and Cindy's marriage.
According to Cindy's mom...
Cindy is only staying with George because his lawyer says Cindy will have to pay alimony and give George half of the house. Cindy WON'T give up the house she paid every penny for. George is a loser that can't keep a job. Casey isn't making enough to pay for herself and Caylee so Cindy is supporting them too. Cindy would kill herself but has to stay alive for Caylee and her parents.
huh..
caitmlo
11-26-2008, 10:32 PM
From an e-mail to Cindy from her brother Rick:
"My sister is a moron. You need help. You are delirious! You and George have been walking thru life with blinders on."
I think I love me some Rick!! :blowkiss:
I know me too!!
alwaysonmymind
11-26-2008, 10:32 PM
please forgive me...still kinda new to all this...but is there a link for the documents that works and is readable? apparently i'm getting too old and even with my glasses I can't read these!!!!
TIA!! :)
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
:blowkiss: Welcome!
Koozit
11-26-2008, 10:32 PM
I'll add some links:
According to Anthony Lazarro, Casey told Lazzarro that Lee tried to touch Casey:
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog..._R_Page_36.htm
And at the bottom of this doc: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog...20_Page_48.htm, the bottom says:
"Jesse mentioned that in September of 2005, Casey mentioned that she didn't feel comfortable around her <blacked out>. Casey allegedly told him that before this day, <blacked out> had tried to have sex with her. Jesse didn't elaborate, but from the context of the conversation, he believed that Casey meant <blacked out> had tried to pressure Casey into having sex with her."
Note: Darlin Gal says Channel 13's pdf document doesn't have a blacked out part and clearly says Lee. Still not sure if the last word in the statement should say "with him ."
Can't be read now. Link is gone..
Koozit
11-26-2008, 10:34 PM
:bang:http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
:blowkiss: Welcome!
Sorry I have them... disregard post above:bang:
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 10:35 PM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf
Here is the IMs with Lassen.
OneLostGrl
11-26-2008, 10:41 PM
I know me too!!
haha. he does have a way with words, doesn't he? LOL.. I so admire honesty!
steelergirl
11-26-2008, 10:42 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
:blowkiss: Welcome!
thank you thank you thank you!! :)
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 10:45 PM
those text messages to Tony L on July 16th after she was with the cops,.. its like she is trying to get Tony to console her for what SHE was going through, not that she has a missing daughter that she never reported missing,... jmo
Janis396
11-26-2008, 10:49 PM
It's almost impossible to believe that Rick and Cindy share the same DNA. He actually seems to have a grasp on reality and values the getting to the truth. And he totally pegged Casey for what she really is....GO Rick!
sweetmop
11-26-2008, 10:57 PM
please forgive me...still kinda new to all this...but is there a link for the documents that works and is readable? apparently i'm getting too old and even with my glasses I can't read these!!!!
TIA!! :)
WELCOME steelergirl!
The documents on this site are about 3/4 down the page:)
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
JBean
11-26-2008, 10:57 PM
Thanks Patty G:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2995192&postcount=75
elfie
11-26-2008, 11:03 PM
(From previous thread)
Originally Posted by JWG:
"The "Casey Lazzaro" scribblings can be viewed here."
Elley Mae:
"When I saw that, I thought how childish".
LOL, when I first heard about that I thought of the line:
" 1. Big (1988)
Susan: She spent the last three months writing down her married name. "Mrs. Judy Hicks", "Mrs. Donald Hicks"; "Mrs. Judy Mitchellson Hicks", sometimes with a hyphen, sometimes without a hyphen. Sometimes, she spells the hyphen."
http://www.imdb.com/Find?select=Quotes&for=sometimes%20she%20spelled%20hyphen
Koozit
11-26-2008, 11:04 PM
I recall Jose Baez saying something to the effect of "When everything comes out, you will be very understanding of Casey". If Lee is Caylee's bio dad then maybe Baez thinks he can get a paternity test and then expect the jury to excuse whatever occurred to Caylee since there is evidence that Lee had sex with Casey? If Lee really is the bio dad, Casey might have been able to pull this thing off by saying "My family is ****ed up so I gave up Caylee for a private adoption and I'm not saying who I gave her to in order to protect Caylee", then a jury might just let her go. Problem is, there was a dead human body in her trunk and one of the hairs in the trunks was Caylee's and it has a death band on it. I DON'T think a jury will be sympathetic to proof of sexual abuse (pregnancy by Lee) when there's a dead kid involved.
But wow. If Lee really is Caylee's Dad then*&%$ is really going to hit the fan.
No That was LP. That stated that.
cfromcanada
11-26-2008, 11:11 PM
I think we will see even less of Lee now. He knew these docs were coming out and the accusations his sister was making. I don't believe KC, no good reason to, but she is sure making it tough for her family to stand behind her!! If not true, she has done a HUGE injustice to both her dad and her brother. Maybe, hopefully, that will be the straw that breaks one of their backs and they start manning up with the truth.
NJ Lawyer
11-26-2008, 11:13 PM
I read the docs posted on cfnews13.com and despite what's being reported in the media, the google searches (see below pic) do NOT indicate that a search was done with both "shovel" and "neck breaking" in the same search. It shows different searches. "Neck Breaking" (or is it Neck Breakers?) is a local Orlando band. I've googled all kinds of local bands. I don't know why she'd need to learn about a shovel. I wonder if it was an "image" search. I do so many image searches to print and decorate things, or include them in a post where I'm talking in a forum or whatever. Not that shovel is something I recall searching.
What I found more interesting is that Anthony Lazzaro says he was the one that pried open the door to get the gas cans out of George Anthony's shed. Maybe you all knew that before. I didn't realize that.
http://s4.tinypic.com/142a05t.jpg
momof3kids
11-26-2008, 11:14 PM
Just maybe.... Ok maybe casey was raped by using the chorloform and almost died. she did have that seizure! I am sure she has put herself in bad places and the wrong times. Maybe she didn't feel safe, so she was looking up self defense on it. Just throwing it out there.
yolorado
11-26-2008, 11:15 PM
Did anyone see the picture of George with facial hair on the police documents? He looked so different. Amy talked about Cindy disparaging KC all the way to TonE's. Jesse talked about Cindy frequently insulting and disparaging KC in front of Jesse.
Hailiejade77
11-26-2008, 11:20 PM
I was going to mentioned how weird George looked. He barely looks like himself!!!!!!! jmo
Theonly1
11-26-2008, 11:20 PM
Now I'm at the part where Grandma Plesea breaks it down and puts it back together about the dynamics in the Anthony family. It's TOO MUCH. Old Grannie is dishing the dirt hardcore with her friend!!! My grannie can dish it too so I know never to p*ss off the old folks!
passionflower
11-26-2008, 11:26 PM
so according to what I read GA is a loser, hardly works, CA carries the whole load of bills.......on a nurses salary??? I can see her with house, car and groceries but all KC's bills and Caylee getting older with more needs.............CA was/is at her wits end...........the fight that night had to start out with the financial part of everything.....the stealing,maybe tickets to PRico, friends in and out, KC staying nights on end out with Caylee.......IMO, I can see a huge fight that night.........and it was the 15th Father's day night.........wow! Family and friends, neighbors, knew and know what the history was with GA/CA/KC (no mention of LA) look where it all is now.............
Winnts
11-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Now I'm at the part where Grandma Plesea breaks it down and puts it back together about the dynamics in the Anthony family. It's TOO MUCH. Old Grannie is dishing the dirt hardcore with her friend!!! My grannie can dish it too so I know never to p*ss off the old folks!
Could you direct me to where that part is?
Friday
11-26-2008, 11:26 PM
I just want to state that while LP does seem to spin theories and put them out there as "truths", many of the scenarios he's put forth on NG (like about CA choking Casey) are right here in this document dump. There are like 4 "revelations" that we heard first from LP.
You're right, but he's known all this stuff for months, yet he doles it out to us one tiny, tantalizing morsel at a time. I realize he likes appearing on NG, and that's why he doles out his knowledge so sparingly--and there's nothing wrong with that! It's just that at times I sorta feel like I'm being treated like a chump.
Other than that, I enjoy LP; I think he's fascinating particularly when you consider that he's 70! So this is NOT, repeat NOT, a putdown. I guess if I feel like a chump, it's my fault, not his.
SuziQ
11-26-2008, 11:33 PM
I am way behind on this thread. Between T-day prep and reading docs. So I don't know if it's been mentioned yet. At the below link Cindy said she would voluntarily bring the gray pants to LE. She never so much as returned LE's calls and they had to retrieve them via a search warrant.
PDF Pg 29
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf
passionflower
11-26-2008, 11:33 PM
It looks like great gma and brother do not lie, they say it like it is, good to know that they are good people.
Friday
11-26-2008, 11:35 PM
OMG_ have you seen the e-mail from CA's brother on 8-21-2008??!!
It is also in the 10th set of docs from fox orlando.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_50.htm
That was something, wasn't it.
On a lighter note, I laughed out loud when GGramma told Cindy, in July, she "blew it" on some interview, and that Cindy should stay off television because she was looking like a fool, making people hate her, etc., etc. And then GGramma adds kindly that if Cindy wants to continue doing television interviews, Cindy should behave the person she really is--kind, caring, a nurse.
I'm paraphrasing above, but you'll get the idea until you have time to read the 10th set of documents.
California Dreamer
11-26-2008, 11:36 PM
Could you direct me to where that part is?
I think you can start here: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_07.htm and hit next at the top of each page to go through them.
California Dreamer
11-26-2008, 11:41 PM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf
Here is the IMs with Lassen.
Thank you for the link. After reading those, I noticed further down that TonE's cell #'s were listed. I wonder if KC knew about "Freaky Lauren" and "Slutty Lauren"?!? :eek:
Interesting that pictures bu John John Azzilonia were saved. I googled him and all I found was that he is a professional photographer in Orlando.
John Azzilonna is also photographer ( maybe a misspell?) with a bunch more info available.
Anyone know what kind of pictures he takes?
Thank you for the link. After reading those, I noticed further down that TonE's cell #'s were listed. I wonder if KC knew about "Freaky Lauren" and "Slutty Lauren"?!? :eek:
I wonder if Tony might be in a little trouble with Lauren over that.
SuziQ
11-26-2008, 11:44 PM
Ooooooh, Mark F provided good info about the pool incident.
Pdf Pg 49
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf
ETA: LE states this incident is another example of the Anthony's not being forthcoming with LE.
SuziQ
11-26-2008, 11:46 PM
[quote=WendyL37;2995299]Wow - on Topix forum someone posted this picture. Apparently it is a leaked photo from one of the 1200 "bad" photos!!! It looks like her IMO - this picture is xxxx though so open at your own risk
Redact link..............................
If it's not KC, it's her identical twin.....holy you know what!
FootballMom
11-26-2008, 11:46 PM
[QUOTE=WendyL37;2995299]Wow - on Topix forum someone posted this picture. Apparently it is a leaked photo from one of the 1200 "bad" photos!!! It looks like her IMO - this picture is xxxx though so open at your own risk
careful with that.... we had our thread on that pix closed down this morning... you may have the link removed rather quickly.....
WendyL37
11-26-2008, 11:48 PM
[QUOTE=WendyL37;2995299]Wow - on Topix forum someone posted this picture. Apparently it is a leaked photo from one of the 1200 "bad" photos!!! It looks like her IMO - this picture is xxxx though so open at your own risk
careful with that.... we had our thread on that pix closed down this morning... you may have the link removed rather quickly.....
ok, i didn't know - should In remove it then?
cocoamom
11-26-2008, 11:52 PM
Come on everyone! I've been reading for hours and the lion's share of the posts are debate and argument over whether or not she was abused and the whole "who is the victim" thing....
SHE DID IT AGAIN!! Can anyone else see this? She has turned hundreds of us upside-down thinking about this! She did the same thing to her family! We will know very soon whether or not it is true - CA will let us know you watch!
If CA says it isn't true, she is saying her daughter is a liar and CA loses. If CA makes excuses for KC, we all know it IS true - CA loses....see what KC did? More control over mom...I really don't know if CA drove KC nuts or if KC drove CA nuts. All I know is they both are!
If she wasn't molested, she is just the same (but even bigger) liar she always has been and she has deeply injured her own family - what a terrible and selfish thing to do (are we surprised?).
If she was molested, well, that could explain a lot -like the lack of feelings for Caylee. Caylee was a reminder of the monster that did what he did. Maybe he is the father of this "burden" and not only did she go through molestation, but she had to give birth to his child? Now super-idiot (sorry for the name calling but I can't control myself!) CA denies it happened, no support for her injured daughter and hey, while you're at it, be sure you are a great mom yourself. CA shoved Caylee down KC's throat - talk about adding insult to injury!
The really bad news is, we will never know for sure unless the molester comes forward.
No, I don't feel sympathy towards KC - I am an SAS- not ashamed of it because I didn't do anything wrong! I was a child of 4 years old! It was my brother (14yrs old), mom didn't believe me either. Slapped me across the face and told me I was a liar!
I was never close to my mother the rest of her life, but I grew into a relatively normal adult and raised a normal child myself! Sexual abuse is NO EXCUSE for murder or murderous behavior!
We will know the truth through CA's behavior and comments in the next days~~
My 2 cents!
California Dreamer
11-26-2008, 11:52 PM
[QUOTE=FootballMom;2995317]
ok, i didn't know - should In remove it then?
I don't know, but we did a side by side comparison with one of her at the same angle minus the "lollipop" and decided it might not be her. The nose shape is different. It lead to some interesting conversation, though!!
FootballMom
11-27-2008, 12:03 AM
[QUOTE=WendyL37;2995322]
I don't know, but we did a side by side comparison with one of her at the same angle minus the "lollipop" and decided it might not be her. The nose shape is different. It lead to some interesting conversation, though!!
the link should probably be removed... many of us did a very detailed comparison (measurements, numerous pix) and are 100% convinced that it is KC in VERY vivid living color... we got past the nose part pretty easily... for example... here are two pictures of me (one professional and one candid) and my nose looks totally different (neither is photoshopped)..
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8665/meknot2bh2.jpg (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meknot2bh2.jpg)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/103/mestpats2nu0.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mestpats2nu0.jpg)
yolorado
11-27-2008, 12:08 AM
You're right, but he's known all this stuff for months, yet he doles it out to us one tiny, tantalizing morsel at a time. I realize he likes appearing on NG, and that's why he doles out his knowledge so sparingly--and there's nothing wrong with that! It's just that at times I sorta feel like I'm being treated like a chump.
Other than that, I enjoy LP; I think he's fascinating particularly when you consider that he's 70! So this is NOT, repeat NOT, a putdown. I guess if I feel like a chump, it's my fault, not his.
To me, LP always seemed to WANT to be an insider when he really wasn't. With all these bombshells supporting a lot of his earlier predictions, he may very well be connected and 'in the know.' I think I'll start paying closer attention to the things he says.
California Dreamer
11-27-2008, 12:11 AM
[QUOTE=California Dreamer;2995334]
the link should probably be removed... many of us did a very detailed comparison (measurements, numerous pix) and are 100% convinced that it is KC in VERY vivid living color... we got past the nose part pretty easily... for example... here are two pictures of me (one professional and one candid) and my nose looks totally different (neither is photoshopped)..
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8665/meknot2bh2.jpg (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meknot2bh2.jpg)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/103/mestpats2nu0.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mestpats2nu0.jpg)
I wish I would have seen the whole thread before it was removed. I was quickly scanning it at work and couldn't devote a lot of attention to it, for obvious reasons! I'm glad to hear there was a conclusion. Interesting....
yolorado
11-27-2008, 12:11 AM
It's gratifying to know that Cindy's family (Great Grannie and Rick, et al) is telling her the truth. Too bad they can't force her to get help, but it's good to know that someone related to the Ants is actually dwelling in the Real World here on Planet Earth.
azwriter
11-27-2008, 12:14 AM
OMG_ have you seen the e-mail from CA's brother on 8-21-2008??!!
It is also in the 10th set of docs from fox orlando.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_50.htm
Yes, I've read it. He accused Cindy of destroying evidence by washing the pants from the car. And warns her the cops could arrest and charge her.
And, as a special dig at the end he tells her in capital letters that everyone on the Greta show believe Caylee is dead. He thinks she belongs in the nut house. Whooa! He's really on her case about allow Casey to get away with her lies.
JMO
Capri
11-27-2008, 12:28 AM
Interesting that pictures bu John John Azzilonia were saved. I googled him and all I found was that he is a professional photographer in Orlando.
John Azzilonna is also photographer ( maybe a misspell?) with a bunch more info available.
Anyone know what kind of pictures he takes?
Pics from various clubs i.e. Fusion
TripleA
11-27-2008, 12:29 AM
In the email from Gma on June 16, it does not mention CA and Caylee's visit? Am I reading that wrong?
gardenhart
11-27-2008, 12:31 AM
[QUOTE=WendyL37;2995322]
I don't know, but we did a side by side comparison with one of her at the same angle minus the "lollipop" and decided it might not be her. The nose shape is different. It lead to some interesting conversation, though!!
I haven't looked at the full photo you all are talking about, but if it will help, someone posted a photo of Casey with a banana here recently. That was bad enough. Perhaps it would help for comparison.
princess
11-27-2008, 12:33 AM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155446.pdf
page 17 email dated 7/11/2008 talks about KC maybe being pregnant again
TURBOTHINK
11-27-2008, 12:33 AM
KC stated she would help them if her attorney was present.
I do not believe for one second she intended to help them.
This is too much like the "get me out of jail and I will tell you where Caylee is"
carp. This is why LP got her out. When she did not "help" he went off her bond. :furious::furious:
Then why did she send the note to GA through the sheriff to come there?
gardenhart
11-27-2008, 12:34 AM
To me, LP always seemed to WANT to be an insider when he really wasn't. With all these bombshells supporting a lot of his earlier predictions, he may very well be connected and 'in the know.' I think I'll start paying closer attention to the things he says.
Like I said earlier, it's clear from these documents that LP's big insider source is RG and perhaps JG. While they have some info they aren't exactly plugged into the investigation.
Capri
11-27-2008, 12:38 AM
[QUOTE=FootballMom;2995359]
I wish I would have seen the whole thread before it was removed. I was quickly scanning it at work and couldn't devote a lot of attention to it, for obvious reasons! I'm glad to hear there was a conclusion. Interesting....
I missed it too. For anyone who's seen it, why is there confusion over if it is her. Poor pic quality, or other.
JulieR
11-27-2008, 12:38 AM
Yes, I've read it. He accused Cindy of destroying evidence by washing the pants from the car. And warns her the cops could arrest and charge her.
And, as a special dig at the end he tells her in capital letters that everyone on the Greta show believe Caylee is dead. He thinks she belongs in the nut house. Whooa! He's really on her case about allow Casey to get away with her lies.
JMO
LOL, Got to just love Rick!!! Now I really think he could write the book on this family...........what a read that would be. Cindy lets him know, he is now on the ***** list.
gardenhart
11-27-2008, 12:40 AM
Just maybe.... Ok maybe casey was raped by using the chorloform and almost died. she did have that seizure! I am sure she has put herself in bad places and the wrong times. Maybe she didn't feel safe, so she was looking up self defense on it. Just throwing it out there.
Sure. And then she rested in the trunk of her car in order to leave chloroform evidence there. :rolleyes:
okiedokietoo
11-27-2008, 12:48 AM
HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ALL!!
I'll be gone and off the computer for 3 days - which is an eternity with this case. Sure I will be going thru withdrawal.
California Dreamer
11-27-2008, 12:50 AM
[QUOTE=California Dreamer;2995383]
I missed it too. For anyone who's seen it, why is there confusion over if it is her. Poor pic quality, or other.
Definitely NOT poor pic quality, just graphic!!!!
OneLostGrl
11-27-2008, 12:51 AM
Come on everyone! I've been reading for hours and the lion's share of the posts are debate and argument over whether or not she was abused and the whole "who is the victim" thing....
SHE DID IT AGAIN!! Can anyone else see this? She has turned hundreds of us upside-down thinking about this! She did the same thing to her family! We will know very soon whether or not it is true - CA will let us know you watch!
If CA says it isn't true, she is saying her daughter is a liar and CA loses. If CA makes excuses for KC, we all know it IS true - CA loses....see what KC did? More control over mom...I really don't know if CA drove KC nuts or if KC drove CA nuts. All I know is they both are!
If she wasn't molested, she is just the same (but even bigger) liar she always has been and she has deeply injured her own family - what a terrible and selfish thing to do (are we surprised?).
If she was molested, well, that could explain a lot -like the lack of feelings for Caylee. Caylee was a reminder of the monster that did what he did. Maybe he is the father of this "burden" and not only did she go through molestation, but she had to give birth to his child? Now super-idiot (sorry for the name calling but I can't control myself!) CA denies it happened, no support for her injured daughter and hey, while you're at it, be sure you are a great mom yourself. CA shoved Caylee down KC's throat - talk about adding insult to injury!
The really bad news is, we will never know for sure unless the molester comes forward.
No, I don't feel sympathy towards KC - I am an SAS- not ashamed of it because I didn't do anything wrong! I was a child of 4 years old! It was my brother (14yrs old), mom didn't believe me either. Slapped me across the face and told me I was a liar!
I was never close to my mother the rest of her life, but I grew into a relatively normal adult and raised a normal child myself! Sexual abuse is NO EXCUSE for murder or murderous behavior!
We will know the truth through CA's behavior and comments in the next days~~
My 2 cents!
None of any of this changes how I feel about Casey if she harmed her child. There is no excuse, none!
Shar824
11-27-2008, 01:06 AM
Interesting that pictures bu John John Azzilonia were saved. I googled him and all I found was that he is a professional photographer in Orlando.
John Azzilonna is also photographer ( maybe a misspell?) with a bunch more info available.
Anyone know what kind of pictures he takes?
If you check images on google with his name, there are pictures that were made at Fusion of KC. I believe he's one of the photogs that was on NG to verify that the pictures were recent ones of KC, and not older ones made before Caylee went missing.
WOW, you are NOT kidding!!
-------
Hi all, someone please post just a birdseye view of what was said, I cant open the pages with webtv..Oh TIA to all.Nore
P.S. I dont know how to say this! Caylee resembles CA very much~so does someone else,think about it.I'm afraid to post it!! Nore
Mom4life
11-27-2008, 01:13 AM
Has it already been discussed the 4 statements by searchers finding a hole with a stick with rope attached to it? It is Part 15 of the documents pages 3037-3041. They all stated they never contacted the media and went back the next day to keep digging the hole.
California Dreamer
11-27-2008, 01:36 AM
Has it already been discussed the 4 statements by searchers finding a hole with a stick with rope attached to it? It is Part 15 of the documents pages 3037-3041. They all stated they never contacted the media and went back the next day to keep digging the hole.
No, I am multi-tasking, playing Scrabble with my son for a break, but still checking in. I'm so obsessed. I am going to look at that next chance I have. Looks like the boards have really slowed down! Thanks for the directions on where it's at!
nancy botwin
11-27-2008, 01:41 AM
...
Thank you so much for posting a readable copy of the internet searches!!
Casey seemed to search for information about the tv show One Tree Hill quite close to the time she was searching for info on making chloroform -- does anyone watch the show and know if there was a plot-line involving chloroform or sedation or kidnapping or something similar??
TURBOTHINK
11-27-2008, 01:44 AM
GA is going behind CA's back and working with LE -
Quote from documents:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf
Page 127
Tricia
11-27-2008, 01:48 AM
OMG...I just brought over that exact link to post!!! I was reading to catch up here from my last post and saw yours. Can you believe it?!? He said what MANY of us have been wanting to scream at her! WOW!
I do feel sorry for Great Grandma - I'm sure she didn't want her business strewn all over the internet!
OH My God.
Tricia
PS. I am suppose to be visiting with relatives in their living room now. How can I? With these documents....IMPOSSIBLE. Only Websleuths members will understand.
MaedchenX
11-27-2008, 01:48 AM
GA is going behind CA's back and working with LE -
Quote from documents:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf
Page 127
Have not got to GA's interview, but just read LA's at the top. Can he chill on the inappropriate laughter already? Just reading "(laughs)" bugs.
evergreen
11-27-2008, 01:52 AM
Just something else KC made up IMO.Just me though:)
I don't believe a word she says. I am not going to alter that stance now.
evergreen
11-27-2008, 01:55 AM
None of any of this changes how I feel about Casey if she harmed her child. There is no excuse, none!
for someone who was molested she sure smiles a lot.
FootballMom
11-27-2008, 01:55 AM
GA is going behind CA's back and working with LE -
Quote from documents:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf
Page 127
EXCEPT... page 139 proves that the EPass records do not match his story... (insert scary doom doom doom music)...
evergreen
11-27-2008, 01:58 AM
More highlights from Part 1:
From the garbage bag in Casey's trunk there was a receipt from Fusian Ultra Lounge dated 5/24/08 at 1:50 hours of one of TonE's roommates.
Also, several items from the garbage came from TL's apartment. TL said he had no idea why the trash would be in Casey's trunk (especially since she had come from Grandma's house and not his apartment).
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On 6/23 TL went to the A family home with Casey to get the gas cans. The shed was locked and TONY used a tire iron to pry the lock open.
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We now know that Casey told the molestation/abuse stories regarding Lee to both Jesse and TL.
just her playing the victim with the men in her life. that's exactly what the play book says she would do.
EasyGruuvin
11-27-2008, 01:59 AM
huh..
Can you imagine CA'S despise of GA knowing if they divorced she would have to give him half and also spousal support cause she supported him so many years ? She is such a controller I can just see the anger in her face at learning that . A nurse friend of mine had to do just that , what a shame , he was a loser to. And brother accuses GA of pushing father in law thru a plate glass window...man, what a life..this reminds me of a novel...something like the movie "Misery" books. hee hee..I need to go to bed. Happy Thanksgiving everyone , I am invited out this year , how very sweet !
Kimster
11-27-2008, 02:01 AM
Yes, I've read it. He accused Cindy of destroying evidence by washing the pants from the car. And warns her the cops could arrest and charge her.
And, as a special dig at the end he tells her in capital letters that everyone on the Greta show believe Caylee is dead. He thinks she belongs in the nut house. Whooa! He's really on her case about allow Casey to get away with her lies.
JMO
Her brother was quite harsh..but gosh darn it, she's just not GETTING IT! At least we know her family sees what is going on.
WAKE UP CA!
TURBOTHINK
11-27-2008, 02:14 AM
EXCEPT... page 139 proves that the EPass records do not match his story... (insert scary doom doom doom music)...
I caught that too. Now, why would he lie about that?
TURBOTHINK
11-27-2008, 02:19 AM
Oh, I'm dying to see how Cindy tries to spin this information, and who she tries to blame, considering this implicates her OTHER child.
And her husband...............I was just thinking the same thing........How is she going to cover this up?
not_my_kids
11-27-2008, 02:19 AM
for someone who was molested she sure smiles a lot.
So do I. Your point?
FootballMom
11-27-2008, 02:19 AM
I caught that too. Now, why would he lie about that?
no idea.... my only thought is that maybe he confused the dates... it has been known to happen with them before.... he seems to have been pretty open with LE in all other aspects (when Cindy isn't around)...
FootballMom
11-27-2008, 02:21 AM
And her husband...............I was just thinking the same thing........How is she going to cover this up?
She is simply going to say (again) that Jesse, Tony & Nate are all in on the conspiracy and are lying about KC...
maconrich
11-27-2008, 03:15 AM
None of any of this changes how I feel about Casey if she harmed her child. There is no excuse, none!
ICAM. I was just reading part 12 starting on page 23 where her friends have gotten the alert that Caylee's missing and are responding... my heart goes out to them :( She took a lot of people who cared about her and thought they knew her for a very wicked ride. Reading this helped me remember that she's only loyal to herself and only cares about herself. Her life was a lie by her own choice and it seems pretty clear she's willing to destroy anyone and everyone who gets in the way of what she wants. Nope, this type of behavior can't be explained away by abuse or anything else. No excuse in the world can justify or help me understand what she's done.
Thinaire
11-27-2008, 03:26 AM
OH My God.
Tricia
PS. I am suppose to be visiting with relatives in their living room now. How can I? With these documents....IMPOSSIBLE. Only Websleuths members will understand.
LOTS and lots of turkey...and wine....natures sedatives <LOL>...just dim the lights and let the company nap...then sneak on here!
mollie
11-27-2008, 03:30 AM
We now know that Casey told the molestation/abuse stories regarding Lee to both Jesse and TL.
Casey always has a motive for everything she says. This can go three directions: never happened, but another "woe" is me story, please protect me;happened, but was consensual(these things do happen;happened but was covered up and family proceeded as if nothing happened.
Of note, real SAS do not normally confide in boyfriends/fiance/husbands for a very, very long time, if ever. Esp. one of an incestuous nature.
Lil'E
11-27-2008, 03:59 AM
Thank you so much for posting a readable copy of the internet searches!!
Casey seemed to search for information about the tv show One Tree Hill quite close to the time she was searching for info on making chloroform -- does anyone watch the show and know if there was a plot-line involving chloroform or sedation or kidnapping or something similar??
To moderators
I am new at posting here so forgive me and feel free to edit this post if I do anything against the rules.
Nancy, I noticed the same thing in KC's computer searches so I tried to google One Tree Hill and Chloroform, I found a couple of interesting links to share, one is some lyrics that is some how connected to the show and the second is a link to another site that speaks of a character playing the role of a deranged Nanny that kidnaps a child she is caring for. The link for this is at http://*************.net/index.php?topic=4176.1800 ...post # 5
Lyrics Page http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4587115/1/Chloroform_The_One_You_Love
This could be where KC concoted her tall tale from, however I must go back and see what and check what date she made these searches.
*Ah Ha..just had a look at KC's computer searches and she looked up One Tree Hill On 03/19/08
nancy botwin
11-27-2008, 04:22 AM
To moderators
I am new at posting here so forgive me and feel free to edit this post if I do anything against the rules.
Nancy, I noticed the same thing in KC's computer searches so I tried to google One Tree Hill and Chloroform, I found a couple of interesting links to share, one is some lyrics that is some how connected to the show and the second is a link to another site that speaks of a character playing the role of a deranged Nanny that kidnaps a child she is caring for. The link for this is at http://*************.net/index.php?topic=4176.1800 post # 65
Lyrics Page http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4587115/1/Chloroform_The_One_You_Love
This could be where KC concoted her tall tale from, however I must go back and see what and check what date she made these searches.
*Ah Ha..just had a look at Kc's computer searches and she looked up One Tree Hill On 03/19/08
Thank you so much for finding that!!! That is very interesting!!! Wow. I know I often google random strange things I've seen on tv-- I'm sure a lot of people do. BUT, most people don't end up having those random strange things happen in their own lives. A child's death inspired by ONE TREE HILL?!?! Every time I learn something new about Casey, I find her more pathetic and horrifying. :furious:
cacnotcam
11-27-2008, 04:32 AM
Thank you so much for finding that!!! That is very interesting!!! Wow. I know I often google random strange things I've seen on tv-- I'm sure a lot of people do. BUT, most people don't end up having those random strange things happen in their own lives. A child's death inspired by ONE TREE HILL?!?! Every time I learn something new about Casey, I find her more pathetic and horrifying. :furious:
Wow. I tend to agree. lol :eek:
DotsEyes
11-27-2008, 04:55 AM
Did anyone notice in the e-mails that the old ladies talk about the last time "she left"? They were talking about KC.
Every time I read something else, my jaw drops.
CA had been supporting them all! GA has had 3-4 jobs since they got back together in 2006? He hasn't work for 1/2 the time they have been in Orlando since 1989? Disability? Going to take half the house and get alimony if she divorces him? He is starting to sound like a sleeze.
GA is bi-polar, like his sister and KC inherited it from him?
Rick hasn't liked GA for the whole 28 years they have been married?
CA was thinking of suicide but for Caylee and her parents?
LA? What is he going to say about these allegations his sister made? BTW, DH said a long time ago "there is something wrong with a guy who parts his hair in the middle". Tonght, during NG, a picture of LA was shown DH said "who is that?" Without knowing much about this case, or that it was LA, he said "he isn't right, they need to look at him for some answers." LA had his hair parted in the middle.
DH has never been wrong about anyone - ever.
madeleine
11-27-2008, 05:13 AM
Oh yeah. I can't wait. Casey or Lee???
Yep this will be very interesting to follow.
Re the sexual allegations.I wouldn't say they are all lies.She does fit the profile IMO.She's a liar,a manipulator,a party-girl.
I don't know what to believe yet.It's either she's pure evil&twisted or maybe just another victim.Who knows.....I don't know anymore.Maybe she just wanted to impress the guys in her life by telling these stories.Maybe there is some truth in it,I wouldn't be surprised.
One things for sure though,the whole family acts SOOOO suspicious,I've never seen anything like this before.
And her saying she's a bad mother,I AM SURE this is something Cindy convinced her of.
nomoresorrow
11-27-2008, 05:31 AM
To moderators
I am new at posting here so forgive me and feel free to edit this post if I do anything against the rules.
Nancy, I noticed the same thing in KC's computer searches so I tried to google One Tree Hill and Chloroform, I found a couple of interesting links to share, one is some lyrics that is some how connected to the show and the second is a link to another site that speaks of a character playing the role of a deranged Nanny that kidnaps a child she is caring for. The link for this is at http://*************.net/index.php?topic=4176.1800 ...post # 5
Lyrics Page http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4587115/1/Chloroform_The_One_You_Love
This could be where KC concoted her tall tale from, however I must go back and see what and check what date she made these searches.
*Ah Ha..just had a look at KC's computer searches and she looked up One Tree Hill On 03/19/08
OMG! Good Find!
To Moderator's also: (sorry I didn't think to do this myself, taking clue from above)
I am new at this as well, feel free to edit my posts if I do anything against the rules as well - are run on sentences against the rules? (jk, I'll try to do better)
nomoresorrow
11-27-2008, 05:34 AM
Yep this will be very interesting to follow.
Re the sexual allegations.I wouldn't say they are all lies.She does fit the profile IMO.She's a liar,a manipulator,a party-girl.
I don't know what to believe yet.It's either she's pure evil&twisted or maybe just another victim.Who knows.....I don't know anymore.Maybe she just wanted to impress the guys in her life by telling these stories.Maybe there is some truth in it,I wouldn't be surprised.
One things for sure though,the whole family acts SOOOO suspicious,I've never seen anything like this before.
And her saying she's a bad mother,I AM SURE this is something Cindy convinced her of.
Fits the profile?
madeleine
11-27-2008, 05:37 AM
Of an abused girl,yes.IMO
nomoresorrow
11-27-2008, 05:47 AM
Of an abused girl,yes.IMO
Actually on second thought, no comment...but I will wish you a Happy Thanksgiving Day! :)
Dutchie Treat
11-27-2008, 06:00 AM
First off, Happy Thanksgiving to all of my American WS friends. We do not celebrate it here in the Netherlands. It's just a normal work day :boohoo:
A couple of other things really bothered me (in addition to those that DotsEyes noticed which made me almost feel sorry for CA for like 2 seconds):
1. KC was writing "Casey M. Lazzaro" and "Casey M. Lazarro" on a piece of notebook paper. She couldn't even SPELL her boyfriend's name and she already had herself married to him. This is very immature behavior. I would say it borders on obsessive.
2. The sworn statements of the couple with the puppy that "saw" Caylee make me wonder a little bit what and whom they actually saw. Is it at all possible??? (enter reasonable doubt with jury)
3. The family is even more F-d up than we have imagined up until now. I think Rick is the only one who actually has their number.
21merc7
11-27-2008, 06:28 AM
To moderators
I am new at posting here so forgive me and feel free to edit this post if I do anything against the rules.
Nancy, I noticed the same thing in KC's computer searches so I tried to google One Tree Hill and Chloroform, I found a couple of interesting links to share, one is some lyrics that is some how connected to the show and the second is a link to another site that speaks of a character playing the role of a deranged Nanny that kidnaps a child she is caring for. The link for this is at http://*************.net/index.php?topic=4176.1800 ...post # 5
Lyrics Page http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4587115/1/Chloroform_The_One_You_Love
This could be where KC concoted her tall tale from, however I must go back and see what and check what date she made these searches.
*Ah Ha..just had a look at KC's computer searches and she looked up One Tree Hill On 03/19/08
Wow, that is fascinating! One Tree Hill is also a U2 song, from Joshua Tree. But what you found, whoa! Anyone notice 3-19 is the perp's birtdhay. So she was doing these computer searches on her birthday and a few days afterward. Highly emotional time for a troubled young lady. Wonder what happened that day?
madeleine
11-27-2008, 06:32 AM
Actually on second thought, no comment...but I will wish you a Happy Thanksgiving Day! :)
Maybe I should have posted this in the random thoughts and ideas thread.
Happy Thanksgiving day
Mysteeri
11-27-2008, 06:40 AM
I`m confused now- did Casey say that both Lee and George abused, or tried to abuse her? This would influence my opinion, which would be just an opinion though.
nomoresorrow
11-27-2008, 06:44 AM
An Email from CA to her brother RP
Sent: Wednesday, August 20,2008: 11:57 PM
Re: Won't do Greta
"Casey did not steal moms check book from her house. She took 1 check from mom's purse last year at my house. less than 50.00.She used the routing number off a check that she NEVER cashed from her 21st birthday a few months ago.
See KC is such a good girl, she didn't steal the check from Mom's (CA's Mom/KC's Grandma) house, she just took it out of her purse and by the way, she only took 1 check when there were at least 10 checks left in that book but KC's such a good girl, she didn't want to wipe her Nanna out completely. [/COLOR]
"You are so fixated on the sitter, get over the sitter. Just because I have no pictures of her, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist. I do have pictures of the apartment, I've given things that belong to the sitter to the police"
Ahh Cindy I do believe the apartment that your referring to turned out to be RM's and more then likely the clothes that you gave to the police, claiming they were Zanny's were...hmmm, probably AH's in an attempt to pin this on her! :bang:
Mysteeri
11-27-2008, 06:51 AM
Did anyone notice in the e-mails that the old ladies talk about the last time "she left"? They were talking about KC.
Every time I read something else, my jaw drops.
CA had been supporting them all! GA has had 3-4 jobs since they got back together in 2006? He hasn't work for 1/2 the time they have been in Orlando since 1989? Disability? Going to take half the house and get alimony if she divorces him? He is starting to sound like a sleeze.
GA is bi-polar, like his sister and KC inherited it from him?
Rick hasn't liked GA for the whole 28 years they have been married?
CA was thinking of suicide but for Caylee and her parents?
LA? What is he going to say about these allegations his sister made? BTW, DH said a long time ago "there is something wrong with a guy who parts his hair in the middle". Tonght, during NG, a picture of LA was shown DH said "who is that?" Without knowing much about this case, or that it was LA, he said "he isn't right, they need to look at him for some answers." LA had his hair parted in the middle.
DH has never been wrong about anyone - ever.
Who is DH? Doesn`t sound very credible to me- if a guy parts his hair in the middle. Sounds kind of prejudiced.
Lee`s laughter in the police interviews is what makes me think "he`s not right".
Galina
11-27-2008, 06:54 AM
"I have no life without Caylee." - Cindy Anthony, 2nd August
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_26.htm
I believe her. It explains much about her behaviour.
nomoresorrow
11-27-2008, 06:58 AM
Maybe I should have posted this in the random thoughts and ideas thread.
Happy Thanksgiving day
Thank you and no, I think its fine right here (IMHO) We're not always going to see eye to eye on things and thats OK. The thing that I have really enjoyed here is how cool it is to see so many different people from different places with different opinions "come to the WS table" and toss it around and you know at the end of the day we all want the same thing here and thats to get to the truth and to get justice for Caylee. :)
PhoneBoothBandit
11-27-2008, 07:00 AM
It seems the 'truth' of the Lee allegations lies with Cindy... which is very unfortunate. Casey alleges she told Cindy and Cindy dismissed it when she was in middle school.
This puts Cindy in an awkward situation. Does she come forward and say that Casey came to her with allegations of sexual indecency and she dismissed them, therefore humiliating Lee in public. Or does she turn a blind eye to the sexual relationship - just as she is to Caylee being dead - and refuse to believe any of it ever happened?
I know I believe Casey in this instance.
nomoresorrow
11-27-2008, 07:15 AM
It seems the 'truth' of the Lee allegations lies with Cindy... which is very unfortunate. Casey alleges she told Cindy and Cindy dismissed it when she was in middle school.
This puts Cindy in an awkward situation. Does she come forward and say that Casey came to her with allegations of sexual indecency and she dismissed them, therefore humiliating Lee in public. Or does she turn a blind eye to the sexual relationship - just as she is to Caylee being dead - and refuse to believe any of it ever happened?
I know I believe Casey in this instance.
I'm not convinced of it yet - a disclosure of this proportion to a guy that you've only been dating for 6-7 weeks? A relationship that by her own admission isn't yet certain. I just don't see it - trust is a huge issue for someone who has genuinely been sexually abused, especially when it comes to disclosing and who you chose to disclose to. Then I look at the context of the disclosure(s) and ask was there something to be gained at that particular time and by that particular person that she was disclosing to? IMO the answer is yes.
jandkmom
11-27-2008, 07:35 AM
I am wondering if KC mentioned the sexual abuse for sympathy from the boyfriends since she said both LA and GA. Maybe they are going to use this theory to either get sympathy for her in the trial or to cast doubt on who could have killed Caylee so that KC won't be convicted. As a defense strategy it is a smart move. If they can get they jury to believe that someone could have killed Caylee, then KC could actually be found not guilty. LA may have been told to stay out of the picture for a while to cast suspicion, knowing there would not be evidence to convict him and trying to save KC. Just a theory.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
jinnimae
11-27-2008, 07:39 AM
OK, time for a brain check here. So far, most of us agree that if KC or Cindy's lips are moving, they are lying. Now, these allegations of abuse (made by KC) surface, and suddenly, KC is believable???:eek:
I wonder how many survivors of this kind of abuse decided to share that info with their latest "mark", so early in the relationship? As an authority on the subject, I feel safe in saying that KC made this up. She did so to garner sympathy from TL and JG. She was looking for a new place to live, a new soul to mooch off.
I once knew someone who was/is a pathological liar. If he told me the sky was blue, I'd find the nearest window and check it for myself.
Actually, I've decided that the ONLY thing I'll ever believe from KC (and probably Cin-Cin, too) is when she tells where the body is, and the body is recovered. Subject to proof by authorities, I will never believe anything any of them say. George....well, he's so whipped...maybe after Cin-Cin (Crazy Moe) passes on, he'll write a book. I'll apply the 50% truth discount, and maybe believe bits and pieces, subject to verification, of course.
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Elley Mae
11-27-2008, 07:42 AM
There seems to be something amiss in the family dynamics and I will sit on the fence with this one. Thinking back to when Cindy talked about counseling for Casey I wonder who's idea it was to not go, for fear of what would come out. And we haven't seen what the "doctor" that visited Casey in jail got from her. There was that time early on where Casey would not let Lee visit her. This does not give Casey an excuse for Caylee's demise, but if true would explain some of her actions, I feel that she has been unstable for a long time.
Honestly at this point, I could very easily see a news report that Cindy and George have killed themselves. I see this as the end for them... I really do.
*not saying I wish that on them... just saying that I see it happening*
Indigo
11-27-2008, 08:01 AM
Good Morning WS Friends,
I wasn't going to post ths morning, but felt I needed to bring your atterntion to a potential problem that I see emerging here, since the release of the new docs--specifically Casey's claim that she was a victim of sexual abuse.
Please remember that nearly 1 in 4 (by statistics) of our fellow sleuths are also abuse survivors. In our attempts to understand Casey's twisted mind, it may be easy to paint with a wide brush. Let's all be careful of the kind people here (and others who may just be lurking/reading here) who are nothing like Casey Anthony.
Mods please delete if this is too OT.
Elley Mae
11-27-2008, 08:01 AM
Honestly at this point, I could very easily see a news report that Cindy and George have killed themselves. I see this as the end for them... I really do.
*not saying I wish that on them... just saying that I see it happening*
It would not surprise me either, not that it would be the right thing to do,but George has stated publicly about suicide and Cindy seems very fragile.
madeleine
11-27-2008, 08:03 AM
Just crossed my mind,maybe it's absurd,maybe not.
Was just reading that e-mail of Cindy's,the link was posted earlier.
Could it be that Cindy suspects someone else in her family and therefor so protective of Casey?
Baznme
11-27-2008, 08:09 AM
KC's allegations in these latest set of doc's that she was abused either by her father/brother/mother to me is another lie to add to the pile. She wouldn't know how to tell the truth, first time, anytime. The two times she was urged to tell the truth, her attorney talked her out of it. Her legal representation is seriously incompetent and should be called on it. He doesn't even know the general rules of the court system. An embarassment in the legal system that should be seriously questionned by the bar for the shabby job he's doing in this case. Ted B. did a better job representing himself. By coaching KC to keep her mouth shut, he's leading her by the hand straight to death row. She could help herself by telling the truth at this point and he encourages her to remain quiet. Go figure. The writing is on the wall and the family is totally destroyed because of her lies. I do not believe a word about the incest or the abuse. KC was no victim. She is a spoiled wrotten brat that got away with anything and everything. She's a thief, a liar, a manipulative user and a murderer. This is what all that spoiling cultivated and the family is paying the price. She sits in that jail and pretends that she is in good hands by believing JB is going to take care of her best interests. Nothing could be further from the truth. He could literally be the death of her. If the A's want to do what they can to keep her from facing the ultimate sentence, they need to....first face the truth themselves and stop with the charade that Caylee is alive. They need to visit their daughter/sister to encourage her to tell the truth. It's her only salvation and January is coming up fast. I've never become so involved in a case like this and I've asked myself why that has happened. My answer is only that I am one of many that is "fed up" with these crimes happening to innocent babies like Caylee. Thank the Lord there are many many others that are feeling the same way in that regard. Caylee has started something in all of us so we can unite and find a voice to speak for Caylee and others like her.
With all that being said, I know her grandmother is cooking a turkey today trying to be as "normal" as possible with two empty places at the table. I will think of them today as I sit with my family but MY focus is still on Caylee and where she might be put to rest. I pray that the A's will listen to their hearts and do the right thing. Go to KC and ask her for the truth to end it all.
wishing all a Blessed Thanksgiving Day.
momtective
11-27-2008, 08:16 AM
To moderators
I am new at posting here so forgive me and feel free to edit this post if I do anything against the rules.
Nancy, I noticed the same thing in KC's computer searches so I tried to google One Tree Hill and Chloroform, I found a couple of interesting links to share, one is some lyrics that is some how connected to the show and the second is a link to another site that speaks of a character playing the role of a deranged Nanny that kidnaps a child she is caring for. The link for this is at http://*************.net/index.php?topic=4176.1800 ...post # 5
Lyrics Page http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4587115/1/Chloroform_The_One_You_Love
This could be where KC concoted her tall tale from, however I must go back and see what and check what date she made these searches.
*Ah Ha..just had a look at KC's computer searches and she looked up One Tree Hill On 03/19/08
Welcome Lil'E,
I also made the TV Character connection (before these docs were released) I posted my thoughts in it's own thread but it was moved here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74867&page=7&highlight=Character Post #158. I really think we could be on to something here. These names Casey used didn't just come from nowhere. I believe they are associated with something and this connection seems to fit.
Skully
11-27-2008, 08:18 AM
I gave a scenario of abuse by GA & LA back on 11/1 on the thread
Name a Scenario Where KC's actions would be justified.....post #82
I thought it would be a story she would tell to say she gave Caylee away to protect her b/c CA wanted custody and didn't want the men near the baby for fear it could happen to her when she got older. I have thought that LA could be the father only because no one really knows or won't talk about it. I found it strange she was engaged and had a one night stand and got pregnant. LA won't give DNA and no lie detector tests.... Also JB keeps saying she has good reason, CA says she is sitting in jail to protect Caylee, Mother of the year award. I don't think it's true that she put Caylee in hiding, but it would be a story CA and GA COULD believe.
madeleine
11-27-2008, 08:22 AM
I gave a scenario of abuse by GA & LA back on 11/1 on the thread
Name a Scenario Where KC's actions would be justified.....post #82
I thought it would be a story she would tell to say she gave Caylee away to protect her b/c CA wanted custody and didn't want the men near the baby for fear it could happen to her when she got older. I have thought that LA could be the father only because no one really knows or won't talk about it. I found it strange she was engaged and had a one night stand and got pregnant. LA won't give DNA and no lie detector tests.... Also JB keeps saying she has good reason, CA says she is sitting in jail to protect Caylee, Mother of the year award. I don't think it's true that she put Caylee in hiding, but it would be a story CA and GA COULD believe.
And Cindy saying in that email that Casey is better where she is and Caylee is safer?What does she know??????:confused:
Baznme
11-27-2008, 08:25 AM
I gave a scenario of abuse by GA & LA back on 11/1 on the thread
Name a Scenario Where KC's actions would be justified.....post #82
I thought it would be a story she would tell to say she gave Caylee away to protect her b/c CA wanted custody and didn't want the men near the baby for fear it could happen to her when she got older. I have thought that LA could be the father only because no one really knows or won't talk about it. I found it strange she was engaged and had a one night stand and got pregnant. LA won't give DNA and no lie detector tests.... Also JB keeps saying she has good reason, CA says she is sitting in jail to protect Caylee, Mother of the year award. I don't think it's true that she put Caylee in hiding, but it would be a story CA and GA COULD believe.
To my knowledge, they got a court order to do DNA on LA. JB keeps saying she has good reason? For what?
SeriouslySearching
11-27-2008, 08:38 AM
JB blows smoke and puts up mirrors to convince us that her various lies have reason. It won't work.
maureenv
11-27-2008, 08:41 AM
I read the "Incoming Texts" docs, did anyone notice any docs w/ "Outgoing Texts"? I was thinking I missed them.
Thanks!
Baznme
11-27-2008, 08:42 AM
JB blows smoke and puts up mirrors to convince us that her various lies have reason. It won't work.
Of course it won't work. What POSSIBLE reason could ANYONE have for murder other than self-defense?
SeriouslySearching
11-27-2008, 08:42 AM
And Cindy saying in that email that Casey is better where she is and Caylee is safer?What does she know??????:confused:She doesn't know anything. She has been listening to some BS being fed by JB and the perp, imo. They seem to be sticking with the kidnapping story where the family is threatened and Caylee will be "safe" as long as the perp doesn't talk. Pure fabrication.
Baznme
11-27-2008, 08:43 AM
I read the "Incoming Texts" docs, did anyone notice any docs w/ "Outgoing Texts"? I was thinking I missed them.
Thanks!
Those are probably being held for trial. That's my guess.
madeleine
11-27-2008, 08:46 AM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=90C927080D831F2C208F40427E215F7E ?contentId=7953974&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
CA: we've been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. it just depends. i pay her a lot more than most nanny's make. it's worth it though
****
TL: Who is this zanny nanny person
CA: Someone i had net [sic] through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine. i'm scared
SeriouslySearching
11-27-2008, 08:48 AM
Of course it won't work. What POSSIBLE reason could ANYONE have for murder other than self-defense?They have an unbelievable story to begin with...so what are a few more well placed lies on top of it? When they weave their story out of the BS that Casey has already come up with...it can only get more bizarre.
madeleine
11-27-2008, 08:50 AM
I wonder if CA knew what Casey has been telling about them (the allegations) and how she will react to that.This is not a game anymore,I hope CA will realize it now.
MissOtk
11-27-2008, 08:55 AM
I'm gonna send Tricia a message later about if I can contact him see if he'd come talk to us.. the more I read I really don't think he would be upset.
This mans greatniece is dead, his mother is elderly and stressed, his father is in a nursing home, his sister is falling apart and you want to contact him? I dont get it. How is this appropriate?
Baznme
11-27-2008, 08:55 AM
I wonder if CA knew what Casey has been telling about them (the allegations) and how she will react to that.This is not a game anymore,I hope CA will realize it now.
Makes me wonder now what GA and LA will do about these latest allegations. Could break the case.
Baznme
11-27-2008, 08:58 AM
I'm gonna send Tricia a message later about if I can contact him see if he'd come talk to us.. the more I read I really don't think he would be upset.
Rick is embedded in this investigation now and is not talking to anyone as would be understandable. I don't think it would be wise to encourage him to do so. He too has been a victim of his neice.
SeriouslySearching
11-27-2008, 09:01 AM
Good Morning WS Friends,
I wasn't going to post ths morning, but felt I needed to bring your atterntion to a potential problem that I see emerging here, since the release of the new docs--specifically Casey's claim that she was a victim of sexual abuse.
Please remember that nearly 1 in 4 (by statistics) of our fellow sleuths are also abuse survivors. In our attempts to understand Casey's twisted mind, it may be easy to paint with a wide brush. Let's all be careful of the kind people here (and others who may just be lurking/reading here) who are nothing like Casey Anthony.
Mods please delete if this is too OT.I don't think it is off topic and it is a good reminder. I knew as soon as I saw the new docs this would be an issue which would cause immediate reactions in so many.
I also want to caution people to remember that this is a vast public forum and their personal posts are being read by thousands here. I see many posts where people have come forward about what has taken place in their own lives, but perhaps this isn't the best place to bring it out. Anonymity is never guaranteed on the internet. People can take advantage or be harmful even here of people who were and are victims/survivors.
BetsyB
11-27-2008, 09:14 AM
Oh, I'm dying to see how Cindy tries to spin this information, and who she tries to blame, considering this implicates her OTHER child.
In my admittedly personal and therefore completely anecdotal experience, this will result in Cindy throwing Lee under the bus (he can fend for himself, after all) in order to more feverishly defend Casey.
ElizaAvalon
11-27-2008, 09:21 AM
In my admittedly personal and therefore completely anecdotal experience, this will result in Cindy throwing Lee under the bus (he can fend for himself, after all) in order to more feverishly defend Casey.
The family's response to this is going to be interesting.
Will LA jump ship if KC doesn't retract?
Her lawyer is an idiot and we know he won't use it as a defense, true or not.
Cindy will probably say that it's not true but KC had "reasons" for saying it which will "come out" later but she can't say what they are because it will put the family in danger.
donnam
11-27-2008, 09:22 AM
KC's allegations in these latest set of doc's that she was abused either by her father/brother/mother to me is another lie to add to the pile. She wouldn't know how to tell the truth, first time, anytime. The two times she was urged to tell the truth, her attorney talked her out of it. Her legal representation is seriously incompetent and should be called on it. He doesn't even know the general rules of the court system. An embarassment in the legal system that should be seriously questionned by the bar for the shabby job he's doing in this case. Ted B. did a better job representing himself. By coaching KC to keep her mouth shut, he's leading her by the hand straight to death row. She could help herself by telling the truth at this point and he encourages her to remain quiet. Go figure. The writing is on the wall and the family is totally destroyed because of her lies. I do not believe a word about the incest or the abuse. KC was no victim. She is a spoiled wrotten brat that got away with anything and everything. She's a thief, a liar, a manipulative user and a murderer. This is what all that spoiling cultivated and the family is paying the price. She sits in that jail and pretends that she is in good hands by believing JB is going to take care of her best interests. Nothing could be further from the truth. He could literally be the death of her. If the A's want to do what they can to keep her from facing the ultimate sentence, they need to....first face the truth themselves and stop with the charade that Caylee is alive. They need to visit their daughter/sister to encourage her to tell the truth. It's her only salvation and January is coming up fast. I've never become so involved in a case like case and I've asked myself why that has happened. My answer is only that I am one of many that is "fed up" with these crimes happening to innocent babies like Caylee. Thank the Lord there are many many others that are feeling the same way in that regard. Caylee has started something in all of us so we can unite and find a voice to speak for Caylee and others like her.
With all that being said, I know her grandmother is cooking a turkey today trying to be as "normal" as possible with two empty places at the table. I will think of them today as I sit with my family but MY focus is still on Caylee and where she might be put to rest. I pray that the A's will listen to their hearts and do the right thing. Go to KC and ask her for the truth to end it all.
wishing all a Blessed Thanksgiving Day.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
Gret post, and I agree 100%!
insatiable
11-27-2008, 09:32 AM
"Mental Hospital Here You Come!!" Sorry but I LOL'ed at that.
Wow to Ricks emails! Even her own brother can't get through to her. Amazing.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_50.htm
BetsyB
11-27-2008, 09:34 AM
It looks like great gma and brother do not lie, they say it like it is, good to know that they are good people.
I dunno---great grandma tells a story in which her daughter is constantly victimized. It sounds as though she's parroting what she's been told by Cindy; her perceptions may be skewed---as would be expected with a daughter who has a penchant for making things about herself.
marla
11-27-2008, 09:44 AM
Makes me wonder now what GA and LA will do about these latest allegations. Could break the case.
Oh, you mean, neither George nor Cindy have a scheduled appearance anywhere today yet? :rolleyes:
Wow .. I'm shocked ..
SeriouslySearching
11-27-2008, 09:48 AM
Oh, you mean, neither George nor Cindy have a scheduled appearance anywhere today yet? :rolleyes:
Wow .. I'm shocked ..Maybe she will show up as a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade or try to take the mic out of the emcee's hand. Nothing shocks me anymore about this family.
ZubenElSchemali
11-27-2008, 09:56 AM
Does anyone know who Iassen Youriev Donov or this Ricardo Morales Montoya Gonzalez he mentions is? Its in the documents, part 7, page 2625.
snowshuze
11-27-2008, 09:58 AM
I'm thankful my life is so ordinary.
I'm thankful I know no one personally that has to deal with the murder of a child.
I'm thankful I have my sanity.
The Anthony Family have nothing to be thankful for today.
MOO and stuff.
peanut
11-27-2008, 10:03 AM
Does anyone know who Iassen Youriev Donov or this Ricardo Morales Montoya Gonzalez he mentions is? Its in the documents, part 7, page 2625.
I'm not sure who Iassen is, but Ricardo is KC ex-boyfriend. Amy H. lives with him.
Pink Panther
11-27-2008, 10:09 AM
Iassen is one of the guys in the Lake Vaj group.
ZubenElSchemali
11-27-2008, 10:09 AM
I wonder why he would attach montoya gonzalez to RMs name though. This seems strange. I did some searching and found a 2000 obit with 3 of the 4 names in it but that's all I came up with.
Mermaid
11-27-2008, 10:11 AM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=90C927080D831F2C208F40427E215F7E ?contentId=7953974&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
CA: we've been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. it just depends. i pay her a lot more than most nanny's make. it's worth it though
****
TL: Who is this zanny nanny person
CA: Someone i had net [sic] through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine. i'm scared
good catch, madeleine
Blackwatch
11-27-2008, 10:12 AM
KC's allegations in these latest set of doc's that she was abused either by her father/brother/mother to me is another lie to add to the pile. She wouldn't know how to tell the truth, first time, anytime. The two times she was urged to tell the truth, her attorney talked her out of it. Her legal representation is seriously incompetent and should be called on it. He doesn't even know the general rules of the court system. An embarassment in the legal system that should be seriously questionned by the bar for the shabby job he's doing in this case. Ted B. did a better job representing himself. By coaching KC to keep her mouth shut, he's leading her by the hand straight to death row. She could help herself by telling the truth at this point and he encourages her to remain quiet. Go figure. The writing is on the wall and the family is totally destroyed because of her lies. I do not believe a word about the incest or the abuse. KC was no victim. She is a spoiled wrotten brat that got away with anything and everything. She's a thief, a liar, a manipulative user and a murderer. This is what all that spoiling cultivated and the family is paying the price. She sits in that jail and pretends that she is in good hands by believing JB is going to take care of her best interests. Nothing could be further from the truth. He could literally be the death of her. If the A's want to do what they can to keep her from facing the ultimate sentence, they need to....first face the truth themselves and stop with the charade that Caylee is alive. They need to visit their daughter/sister to encourage her to tell the truth. It's her only salvation and January is coming up fast. I've never become so involved in a case like this and I've asked myself why that has happened. My answer is only that I am one of many that is "fed up" with these crimes happening to innocent babies like Caylee. Thank the Lord there are many many others that are feeling the same way in that regard. Caylee has started something in all of us so we can unite and find a voice to speak for Caylee and others like her.
With all that being said, I know her grandmother is cooking a turkey today trying to be as "normal" as possible with two empty places at the table. I will think of them today as I sit with my family but MY focus is still on Caylee and where she might be put to rest. I pray that the A's will listen to their hearts and do the right thing. Go to KC and ask her for the truth to end it all.
wishing all a Blessed Thanksgiving Day.
Bolded by me.
The bolded portion paints a very sad and tragic picture if one sees the grandparents as victims of an evil Casey. I, however, do not see it that way. I see Casey as a victim of her family and Caylee as the ultimate sacrifice by whomever.
My opinion only
BeanE
11-27-2008, 10:13 AM
I'm thankful my life is so ordinary.
I'm thankful I know no one personally that has to deal with the murder of a child.
I'm thankful I have my sanity.
The Anthony Family have nothing to be thankful for today.
MOO and stuff.
Of course they do:
- The compassion, kindness, deference, and respect that both OCSO and the FBI have treated them with, despite their atrocious behavior and atrocious treatment of OCSO and FBI
- Same for the media
- Same for Tim Miller
- Same for Judge Strickland
- I could go on in that vein
- They have two happy, healthy children
- I believe they have their health
- They have good people who still try to help, encourage, and support them
- They have thousands and thousands of people who care about their grandchild, Caylee, respect her, and are working hard to get justice for her
I could go on.
MOO
peanut
11-27-2008, 10:13 AM
I'm not convinced of it yet - a disclosure of this proportion to a guy that you've only been dating for 6-7 weeks? A relationship that by her own admission isn't yet certain. I just don't see it - trust is a huge issue for someone who has genuinely been sexually abused, especially when it comes to disclosing and who you chose to disclose to. Then I look at the context of the disclosure(s) and ask was there something to be gained at that particular time and by that particular person that she was disclosing to? IMO the answer is yes.
I agree with you 100%
lucy54
11-27-2008, 10:14 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't 2005 when CA and GA were separated? I also remember seeing that LA wouldn't go to the house when GA was there. Also when were the police called to the house? I thought that was in 2005 also. I can't remember all of these dates for the timeline! I think my head will explode if I try to think of one more date to remember..
Wouldn't 2005 also be when Caylee was conceived? As much as I think Casey is a liar and a murderer, I have a gut feeling that these statements about Lee could be true. That would explain a lot of their strange actions and maybe why the family has let Casey get away with so much over the years.
Susan Smith (who murdered both of her children) proved she was abused by her dad and that is why I think she got off easier in her trial.
dtown
11-27-2008, 10:15 AM
I've gone over most of the new documents but it seems that they are all dated July through September. Did anyone see/read anything in this latest release that encompasses the past few months (Oct. & Nov)?
Tonia
11-27-2008, 10:16 AM
Maybe she will show up as a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade or try to take the mic out of the emcee's hand. Nothing shocks me anymore about this family.
:rolling: Now that was funny!
Baznme
11-27-2008, 10:17 AM
Does anyone know who Iassen Youriev Donov or this Ricardo Morales Montoya Gonzalez he mentions is? Its in the documents, part 7, page 2625.
Link, please.
ZubenElSchemali
11-27-2008, 10:20 AM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf page 2625 written in pencil, pdf page 25 of 50
Baznme
11-27-2008, 10:21 AM
Bolded by me.
The bolded portion paints a very sad and tragic picture if one sees the grandparents as victims of an evil Casey. I, however, do not see it that way. I see Casey as a victim of her family and Caylee as the ultimate sacrifice by whomever.
My opinion only
IMO.......Casey has never been a victim of anything. What has she contributed to this world in her entire life other than that beautiful child!
Blackwatch
11-27-2008, 10:22 AM
IMO.......Casey has never been a victim of anything. What has she contributed to this world in her entire life other than that beautiful child!
So we have 2 different opinions. That's what these boards are all about. :blowkiss:
Baznme
11-27-2008, 10:33 AM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf page 2625 written in pencil, pdf page 25 of 50
I see it now. I think that could possibly.......possible be the reference to the Rico234? The poster was spoofing on the Latino name and exaggerated it. Must have been referring to Ricardo.
strach304
11-27-2008, 10:33 AM
I have a quick point to make about Casey's accusations against her brother and father as well as the motive behind it. It would appear that Casey was always trying to align herself with a man that she believed would "take care" of her.
Now I ask what kind of "mother" would allow her small child with her abusive father and sexually deviant brother? NO, NO, NO!!!
These guys must have wondered about that. For instance when she told that story to TL was it just an excuse for why she couldn't stay with Lee if she couldn't stay with Cindy and George. He wouldn't want Casey and Caylee with him.
Starting on page 3037 to about 3044 there are several suspicious incident reports describing a TES search that found what appeared to be a shallow grave off Suburban Drive. Cannot find more information. I find it interesting that this particular incident is included in the document dump.
faefrost
11-27-2008, 10:51 AM
True, also keep in mind that this is all hearsay, there is no way the defense will get these statements into evidence through these witnesses. They will have to get the accusers to admit to the offenses or put Casey herself on the stand (yeah, like that is going to happen).
Actually I am not sure. It would be heresay if it was used against LA or GA, but the defendent is KC, and this is supposedly the topic of a direct conversation between the witness and the defendent.
The prosecution could very easily use these statements, if just to show the patern of stories she told various men, and how she compartmentalized her life with lies.
For the defense to use them may be more problematic.
Darlene733510
11-27-2008, 10:53 AM
There is an article in this weeks Inquirer about finding a shallow grave not far from the A's home, off of a dirt road. It was a place Casey was familia with.
They felt the body had been there, but Casey panicked and moved it. They found a cross like Caylee wore and little beads.
They also said the body was taken from there, and put into Casey's car and taken to the A's, where it was transferred to another vehicle to get rid of it. HMMMM.....
I wonder whose car it was transferred to???
I know it is a rag magazine, but they were right about so many aspects of the Laci Peterson case.
LaLaw2000
11-27-2008, 10:55 AM
Of course they do:
- The compassion, kindness, deference, and respect that both OCSO and the FBI have treated them with, despite their atrocious behavior and atrocious treatment of OCSO and FBI
- Same for the media
- Same for Tim Miller
- Same for Judge Strickland
- I could go on in that vein
- They have two happy, healthy children
- I believe they have their health
- They have good people who still try to help, encourage, and support them
- They have thousands and thousands of people who care about their grandchild, Caylee, respect her, and are working hard to get justice for her
I could go on.
MOO
:clap::clap::clap:
What a great post, BeanE! You come up with good ones everyday! Now. Lets do not forget the SA in this case. He is standing up for justice for Caylee and is working very hard!
:blowkiss:
Baznme
11-27-2008, 11:00 AM
Starting on page 3037 to about 3044 there are several suspicious incident reports describing a TES search that found what appeared to be a shallow grave off Suburban Drive. Cannot find more information. I find it interesting that this particular incident is included in the document dump.
Yes, I saw that. Out of all the searches, why would this one be documented like it has been found as evidence? Suburban Drive comes to an end and is supposed to be not far from the Anthony home. Wonder if we can google it?
Baznme
11-27-2008, 11:02 AM
There is an article in this weeks Inquirer about finding a shallow grave not far from the A's home, off of a dirt road. It was a place Casey was familia with.
They felt the body had been there, but Casey panicked and moved it. They found a cross like Caylee wore and little beads.
They also said the body was taken from there, and put into Casey's car and taken to the A's, where it was transferred to another vehicle to get rid of it. HMMMM.....
I wonder whose car it was transferred to???
I know it is a rag magazine, but they were right about so many aspects of the Laci Peterson case.
Oh Jeez.....now I'm going to have to go pick up a copy before heading to my son's house for Thanksgiving..LOL
Maybe it was transferred to Amy's wrecked car?
Baznme
11-27-2008, 11:08 AM
So we have 2 different opinions. That's what these boards are all about. :blowkiss:
That was a real question. What has she contributed? She never helped her family, it was all about her. She never had consistent employment. She never provided for her daughter. She used people, stole from them, lied to them, family included. When they caught on, she found new victims to prey on. She doesn't sound like much of a victim to me. He!!, she's doing the same thing to her attorney!
EtherealGirl
11-27-2008, 11:16 AM
Bolded by me.
The bolded portion paints a very sad and tragic picture if one sees the grandparents as victims of an evil Casey. I, however, do not see it that way. I see Casey as a victim of her family and Caylee as the ultimate sacrifice by whomever.
My opinion only
There are a lot of victims out there, of far more horrendous abuse than what KC suffered (if she is not lying again). I don't normally spill my guts online, or anywhere else, but I am one of those victims.
Being molested by my father and brother would have been a picnic for me, so would having CA for a mother.
I was (apparently) the poster child for pedophilia. I was molested from the age of 2 by my mother's brother, her brother in law, then later beginning at age 6 through age 14 by the minister of the church I had attended my entire life (who was paying my mother to let him molest me).
Many of you have followed my link here to my Myspace page, so you know what I am about, and that I have never even considered murdering anyone.
I don't subscribe in any way, shape or form to victim mentality, no matter what has happened to you. That's life. There are many thousands of people out there that had it rougher than me. And I have never met a family in all my travels that is not dysfunctional. Families do not come with instruction manuals, neither does life.
You take what you are given and deal with it. You either crawl into a bottle of booze or pills, or go deep inside and turn it around and make something of yourself, or you end up climbing a clock tower or murdering your child.
And I am certainly not defending CA, because I believe she is just as guilty (no more, no less) as her daughter (because of the things she is doing to prevent Caylee from getting justice).
Blackwatch
11-27-2008, 11:17 AM
That was a real question. What has she contributed? She never helped her family, it was all about her. She never had consistent employment. She never provided for her daughter. She used people, stole from them, lied to them, family included. When they caught on, she found new victims to prey on. She doesn't sound like much of a victim to me. He!!, she's doing the same thing to her attorney!
I define a victim as someone who is put down in front of others, and we have several testimonies to that. I define a victim as someone who is more or less forced to keep a baby they don't want because they are helpless and someone insists. I define a victim as someone who MAY have been sexually abused, according to their own statements to other people. I define a victim as someone who carries the weight of a family dysfunctional before they were born - a scapegoat, if you will.
Given what we've seen in print, and on the media of how this family behaves -confrontational, mistruths, etc., ad nauseum, I can imagine Casey as a victim.
As for her attorney. . .well, let his words and actions speak for themselves.
My opinion only.
MaedchenX
11-27-2008, 11:19 AM
That was a real question. What has she contributed? She never helped her family, it was all about her. She never had consistent employment. She never provided for her daughter. She used people, stole from them, lied to them, family included. When they caught on, she found new victims to prey on. She doesn't sound like much of a victim to me. He!!, she's doing the same thing to her attorney!
I agree with you to a point, but not all victims have the same response to abuse, not all victims display the same behaviors. On occassion victims move on to victimize others, and I would also say that often they do not. Even within one family the response to the same shared experience can vary greatly. That said, whether or not Casey was abused does not affect the way I think about her guilt for the death of her daughter. These are separate issues. Like most able and intelligent adults Casey is capable of exerting her judgement and free will. She is the one responsible for her choices, the circumstances of her life only serve to provide context.
Blackwatch
11-27-2008, 11:22 AM
There are a lot of victims out there, of far more horrendous abuse than what KC suffered (if she is not lying again). I don't normally spill my guts online, or anywhere else, but I am one of those victims.
Being molested by my father and brother would have been a picnic for me, so would having CA for a mother.
I was (apparently) the poster child for pedophilia. I was molested from the age of 2 by my mother's brother, her brother in law, then later beginning at age 6 through age 14 by the minister of the church I had attended my entire life (who was paying my mother to let him molest me).
Many of you have followed my link here to my Myspace page, so you know what I am about, and that I have never even considered murdering anyone.
I don't subscribe in any way, shape or form to victim mentality, no matter what has happened to you. That's life. There are many thousands of people out there that had it rougher than me. And I have never met a family in all my travels that is not dysfunctional. Families do not come with instruction manuals, neither does life.
You take what you are given and deal with it. You either crawl into a bottle of booze or pills, or go deep inside and turn it around and make something of yourself, or you end up climbing a clock tower or murdering your child.
And I am certainly not defending CA because I believe she is just as guilty as her daughter. No more and no less.
Firstly, let me say I'm sorry for what you went through. I cannot image the suffering that must have been yours.
However, let me state what so many have stated about the Anthonys - everyone is different, they grieve differently, act differently, and even abuse survivors cope differently, although I THINK this may be what you're saying?
My opinion only.
natsound
11-27-2008, 11:23 AM
There is no way to know if KC told Jessie the truth when she said her brother tried to have sex with her. I doubt it's true. She's said many, many things that aren't true, no reason to believe this. And I see no shred of evidence that any one of her family members molested her. What is the evidence, for those who believe?
Incidentally, I'm not a SA victim myself, so I'm ill-informed on any pattern of behavior a victim may demonstrate.
I just think CA is crazy, neither CA nor GA are very smart, and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. With the computer searches for neck breaking, household weapons, etc., I think it's possible KC wanted to do away with other family members at one time, and call it self-defense.
JMO.
LaLaw2000
11-27-2008, 11:25 AM
There is an article in this weeks Inquirer about finding a shallow grave not far from the A's home, off of a dirt road. It was a place Casey was familia with.
They felt the body had been there, but Casey panicked and moved it. They found a cross like Caylee wore and little beads.
They also said the body was taken from there, and put into Casey's car and taken to the A's, where it was transferred to another vehicle to get rid of it. HMMMM.....
I wonder whose car it was transferred to???
I know it is a rag magazine, but they were right about so many aspects of the Laci Peterson case.
Could have been George moving Caylee's body? It would not be in good shape after being there for some time. It could have been put into an airtight container for transport though, and there may not have been that much of an odor. Or Lee could have moved it. I do not remember any of the other Anthony vehicles being tested for anything.
I had always wondered why George had a handgun in the wheelwell of his vehicle. Was it for protection while performing a very risky task? He could not have used it while driving. He would have had to tell the carjacker to wait just a moment while he retrieved his gun so he could shoot him! It would have been a very handy place to put the gun if he had been doing something at the back of his vehicle. I know he was not to have any handguns in the house while Casey was on house arrest, but that is an enclosed garage and is so accessible without even being seen. IMO, I really think he should have gotten into trouble over that.
I am rambling. Sorry. I am just so very frustrated after reading all of those documents. After reading Cindy's mother's emails (and mother's sister's), I felt so badly for them. They have Rick watching out for them, thank goodness. There are too many casualties in this war Casey, Cindy, George, and Lee have waged. May Casey never have another peaceful moment. And any money any of them get out of their books and interviews or the selling of Caylee's pics will never bring them happiness. GB little Caylee!
Sorry!!!!!
JBean
11-27-2008, 11:27 AM
I define a victim as someone who is put down in front of others, and we have several testimonies to that. I define a victim as someone who is more or less forced to keep a baby they don't want because they are helpless and someone insists. I define a victim as someone who MAY have been sexually abused, according to their own statements to other people. I define a victim as someone who carries the weight of a family dysfunctional before they were born - a scapegoat, if you will.
Given what we've seen in print, and on the media of how this family behaves -confrontational, mistruths, etc., ad nauseum, I can imagine Casey as a victim.
As for her attorney. . .well, let his words and actions speak for themselves.
My opinion only.
Casey does not strike me as someone that does something she doesn't want to. I think her behavior shows that she does exactly what she wants to do.
I mention that because I think Casey chose to have Caylee of her own free will. She could have easily aborted the baby and told Cindy she fell down a flight of stairs. She made up fake accidents, strokes,jobs so she is fully capable. I don't think Cindy could have forced Casy into carrying a baby. it just doesn't fit.
I understand what you are saying and I think in certain circumstances KC could be considered a victim of sorts if some of the abuse or other issues are ever confirmed to be true. However, we are all blessed with free will and the ability to change our destiny and she made her choices as to what she wanted to become.
PhoneBoothBandit
11-27-2008, 11:29 AM
I think the abuse allegations are supported by a lot of Casey's behavior... I guess we all have our own opinions, but there is a level of defiance about believing this situation because people don't want to see Casey as a 'victim'. Like it or not, Casey is human too and at the time she alleges she was first indecently touched by Lee, Casey was only a young and confused girl. The thing I keep in mind though is that regardless of what did, or didn't happen to Casey, it doesn't make little Caylee any less of a victim - Casey still killed her.
*snipped*
I do feel sorry for Great Grandma - I'm sure she didn't want her business strewn all over the internet!
She sent it to LE. They didn't solicit it from her. I'm sure she released it with knowledge that it would come out, either on the internet (like so many other things already had) or in court.
I think the abuse allegations are supported by a lot of Casey's behavior... I guess we all have our own opinions, but there is a level of defiance about believing this situation because people don't want to see Casey as a 'victim'. Like it or not, Casey is human too and at the time she alleges she was first indecently touched by Lee, Casey was only a young and confused girl. The thing I keep in mind though is that regardless of what did, or didn't happen to Casey, it doesn't make little Caylee any less of a victim - Casey still killed her.
Recall in Cindy's FBI tapes the long detailed story about when Lee was sick at the age of 16 where they had to take every precaution against injury? It was looooooooooooooooooooooooong. But it was in response to "Has Casey ever suffered a major trauma?" Cindy went on to recount how Casey took care of Lee, helping out when needed, that they became very close during that time. Casey would have been in her early teens.
Food for thought.
Pegster57
11-27-2008, 11:33 AM
ok, here's what I don't get. If KC really was uncomfortable around LA because of what she alleges - why doesn't she act that way? She and LA are very close, she admits it and so does CA. I don't get it.
MarleneM
11-27-2008, 11:34 AM
I define a victim as someone who is put down in front of others, and we have several testimonies to that. I define a victim as someone who is more or less forced to keep a baby they don't want because they are helpless and someone insists. I define a victim as someone who MAY have been sexually abused, according to their own statements to other people. I define a victim as someone who carries the weight of a family dysfunctional before they were born - a scapegoat, if you will.
Given what we've seen in print, and on the media of how this family behaves -confrontational, mistruths, etc., ad nauseum,
I can imagine Casey as a victim.
As for her attorney. . .well, let his words and actions speak for themselves.
My opinion only.
Ok, I understand you're opinion on KC being a victim in your opinion. My question for you that I'm not clear on is - with Caylee's tiny decomposed body lying out there somewhere so that no one can find out the truth of her demise, what punishment do you think KC should receive for her subsequent lies and refusal to cooperate in the disappearance of her daughter? With all you've read and seen to date, what would you suggest the jury sentence KC to?
Janis396
11-27-2008, 11:35 AM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=90C927080D831F2C208F40427E215F7E ?contentId=7953974&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
CA: we've been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. it just depends. i pay her a lot more than most nanny's make. it's worth it though
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TL: Who is this zanny nanny person
CA: Someone i had net [sic] through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine. i'm scared
Yes, Casey has told friends she paid the "nanny" $400 per week (an outrageous amount IMO), but in one of the documents released yesterday (it looked like a statement she filled out regarding her employment) she listed her job as Event Planner at Universal making $13.75 per hour! That's $550 per week gross, then after taxes, that means she was paying the "nanny" about 90% of her take home pay!!! :bang: LMAO....
LaLaw2000
11-27-2008, 11:36 AM
KC's allegations in these latest set of doc's that she was abused either by her father/brother/mother to me is another lie to add to the pile. She wouldn't know how to tell the truth, first time, anytime. The two times she was urged to tell the truth, her attorney talked her out of it. Her legal representation is seriously incompetent and should be called on it. He doesn't even know the general rules of the court system. An embarassment in the legal system that should be seriously questionned by the bar for the shabby job he's doing in this case. Ted B. did a better job representing himself. By coaching KC to keep her mouth shut, he's leading her by the hand straight to death row. She could help herself by telling the truth at this point and he encourages her to remain quiet. Go figure. The writing is on the wall and the family is totally destroyed because of her lies. I do not believe a word about the incest or the abuse. KC was no victim. She is a spoiled wrotten brat that got away with anything and everything. She's a thief, a liar, a manipulative user and a murderer. This is what all that spoiling cultivated and the family is paying the price. She sits in that jail and pretends that she is in good hands by believing JB is going to take care of her best interests. Nothing could be further from the truth. He could literally be the death of her. If the A's want to do what they can to keep her from facing the ultimate sentence, they need to....first face the truth themselves and stop with the charade that Caylee is alive. They need to visit their daughter/sister to encourage her to tell the truth. It's her only salvation and January is coming up fast. I've never become so involved in a case like this and I've asked myself why that has happened. My answer is only that I am one of many that is "fed up" with these crimes happening to innocent babies like Caylee. Thank the Lord there are many many others that are feeling the same way in that regard. Caylee has started something in all of us so we can unite and find a voice to speak for Caylee and others like her.
With all that being said, I know her grandmother is cooking a turkey today trying to be as "normal" as possible with two empty places at the table. I will think of them today as I sit with my family but MY focus is still on Caylee and where she might be put to rest. I pray that the A's will listen to their hearts and do the right thing. Go to KC and ask her for the truth to end it all.
wishing all a Blessed Thanksgiving Day.
What a great and eloquent post, Baznme! Very well stated.
Wishing you and your family a very Blessed Thanksgiving as well, and to everyone here!
natsound
11-27-2008, 11:37 AM
ok, here's what I don't get. If KC really was uncomfortable around LA because of what she alleges - why doesn't she act that way? She and LA are very close, she admits it and so does CA. I don't get it.
Yep. The jail conversations, the high five, holding his hand... this doesn't scream sexual abuse to me. KC is too much of a liar. This story of Lee wanting to have sex with her reminds me of her story about GA having a stroke, or her story about Zani getting in an accident... etc.
A victim? NO WAY. I do not believe a word out of that girl's mouth. I'm sure she was garnering sympathy from her intended victims. Sociopaths are very manipulative, I read a psychologists view on her and one of the things she said chilled me to the bone. "Casey has the ability to quickly read people and find their vulnerabilities" not an exact quote. She preys on people, gets what she wants and goes on to the next. She did that with men and women.
I will only believe this when proof positive from law enforcement.
Blackwatch
11-27-2008, 11:37 AM
Casey does not strike me as someone that does something she doesn't want to. I think her behavior shows that she does exactly what she wants to do.
I mention that because I think Casey chose to have Caylee of her own free will. She could have easily aborted the baby and told Cindy she fell down a flight of stairs. She made up fake accidents, strokes,jobs so she is fully capable. I don't think Cindy could have forced Casy into carrying a baby. it just doesn't fit.
I understand what you are saying and I think in certain circumstances KC could be considered a victim of sorts if some of the abuse or other issues are ever confirmed to be true. However, we are all blessed with free will and the ability to change our destiny and she made her choices as to what she wanted to become.
Bolded by me.
I don't believe there is free will when one cannot get out from under, when one does not know any other way. Casey was young when she got pregnant, 17/18, and a girl that young doesn't always know the options. We don't have any PROOF that CA didn't know she was pregnant, only some silly words like we've been hearing all along. Untruths, perhaps? I never said Casey had the baby because she wanted to, but I am saying she may very well have been forced to keep it. I was that age once and I wouldn't have had the baiis to go against my family.
A study of family dynamics has shown that certain individuals in families often play certain roles, whether by choice or because they're forced into it. At that point I believe free choice becomes a moot point - there isn't any.
I believe we've all seen CA in action and some have stated she's the same as Casey. Maybe we need to ask ourselves how she got that way?
My opinion only
Now, I have to leave for Thanksgiving dinner. I have the appetizers and they will be PO'd if I don't get there before dinner is served.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
NJ Lawyer
11-27-2008, 11:39 AM
Starting on page 3037 to about 3044 there are several suspicious incident reports describing a TES search that found what appeared to be a shallow grave off Suburban Drive. Cannot find more information. I find it interesting that this particular incident is included in the document dump.Interesting that statements from the guys all say they found a stick with a rope tied to it and it sounds like the other end of the rope was buried deep under the ground. The statements all say they returned the next day with shovels to dig until they reached the end of the rope underground. Questions:
1. The statements don't say what was on the end of the rope. They just stop and are signed. They don't even say "after a while we just stopped digging". So they probably reached the end of the rope and for some reason are not including what they found at the end of the rope. Would there be separate statements perhaps indicating what they found that are kept out of the doc dump? It seems like everything should be in one spot.
2. Any guess as to why someone would bury a rope with the end of it sticking out of the ground? The only thing I can think of is: if Caylee's body was buried there, then maybe the rope was down there to make it easier to find the body if necessary at a later time. With the rope going down into the ground it would be easier to find b/c after burying a body, the person burying it would not know EXACTLY where the small body is once dirt is filled in. A general marker (like a stone or stick) wouldn't show exactly where the body is, but certainly a rope leading directly down to the body would show it's location 100%.
I don't see that these statements came from TES searchers. Any ideas? How does the date of the statements (9/12) match up with Tim Miller's announcements calling off the search?
LaLaw2000
11-27-2008, 11:41 AM
GB you, EtherealGirl!
I hope you have a Blessed and wonderful day today!
yolorado
11-27-2008, 11:41 AM
That was a real question. What has she contributed? She never helped her family, it was all about her. She never had consistent employment. She never provided for her daughter. She used people, stole from them, lied to them, family included. When they caught on, she found new victims to prey on. She doesn't sound like much of a victim to me. He!!, she's doing the same thing to her attorney!
Haven't read the entire thread-don't know if it's been talked about, but it wouldn't suprize me at all if KC didn't give the same abuse stories to Baez that she apparently told to Jesse and perhaps TonE as well. He probably believed her, or wanted to and is structuring his defense around it somehow. KC's MO seems to attract guys in abundance. They don't necessarily stay attracted but she's got a knack for getting them on the hook. Baez seems overly connected and wouldn't have a big incest story been a pretty good glue to get that started.
Recovering-Lurker
11-27-2008, 11:42 AM
ok, here's what I don't get. If KC really was uncomfortable around LA because of what she alleges - why doesn't she act that way? She and LA are very close, she admits it and so does CA. I don't get it.
A lot of people act like they are close to their abusers.
ElizaAvalon
11-27-2008, 11:42 AM
Hmmm... Did I miss it or was Annie D either not interviewed or they are withholding her interview from the docs?
TripleA
11-27-2008, 11:42 AM
Casey was NOT a child when she had Caylee, she was an adult! She had every right to choose whether she wanted to keep her baby, abort her baby or put her baby up for adoption. Thousands of girls, many much younger than Casey, become moms everyday. Many become very good moms! Casey was young, but she was not a child.
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