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Coley
11-28-2008, 03:19 PM
During the dates of 6/9-6/14 there are only a few people who reportedly saw Caylee with KC or whoever. This to me is VERY important in determining where Caylee was after the "fight". This could also support Caylee being put in the trunk prior to the 16th.

~We know Caylee was at Ricardo's the night of the 9th and he saw her before work on the 10th.
~TonE, KC, & Caylee went to the mall to put up flyers on 11th or 12th for an event at Fusion on the 13th.
~Family friends spotted Caylee at a shopping center near the Seminole line 12th.
~Christina/Kristina(?) reportedly met up with KC & Caylee at the JBP on the 12th,13th, or 14th.
~A friend of Casey's, a DJ at a local club, allegedly sees Caylee at Lazzaro's apartment on the 13th.
~Also, Clint reportedly said KC brought Caylee to Fusion on the night of the 13th.

**Note: I will update 1st post to reflect time line when other contribute**

Any others I'm missing?

not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 03:23 PM
6/9 Casey and Caylee go with AL to pick up Jeep, then to Subway, then to AL's apt. then they leave - doc. page 2380.

6/11 or 6/12 Casey and Caylee go with AL to Mall of Millenia to pass out flyers for HIp Hop showcase 6/13. AL treats dinner at Cheesecake Factory, then back to his house, last time he sees Caylee.-doc. page 2380.

Macushla
11-28-2008, 03:26 PM
The ones you mentioned were the only ones I could find using the Calendar here on WS. As much as it pains me, I may have to go back to Cindy's interview with OCSO where she was 'helping' them with their time line. I just can't remember if they mentioned these dates or just started with the 16th of June. Does anyone else remember, it might save me from getting a headache - I tend to want to bang my head against a wall after watching her for more than 30 seconds :)

not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 03:28 PM
The ones you mentioned were the only ones I could find using the Calendar here on WS. As much as it pains me, I may have to go back to Cindy's interview with OCSO where she was 'helping' them with their time line. I just can't remember if they mentioned these dates or just started with the 16th of June. Does anyone else remember, it might save me from getting a headache - I tend to want to bang my head against a wall after watching her for more than 30 seconds :)

Sorry, I don't remember, I did watch the interviews and did bang my head off the desk until I erased them from my memory.

Coley
11-28-2008, 03:28 PM
6/9 Casey and Caylee go with AL to pick up Jeep, then to Subway, then to AL's apt. then they leave - doc. page 2380.

6/11 or 6/12 Casey and Caylee go with AL to Mall of Millenia to pass out flyers for HIp Hop showcase 6/13. AL treats dinner at Cheesecake Factory, then back to his house, last time he sees Caylee.-doc. page 2380.

page 6:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

He last see's Caylee on June 2th. So this does not support the 11th,12th, or 13th.

not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 03:35 PM
page 6:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

He last see's Caylee on June 2th. So this does not support the 11th,12th, or 13th.


Depends on which set of docs, I'm going by the latest dumps.

fay
11-28-2008, 03:35 PM
The ones you mentioned were the only ones I could find using the Calendar here on WS. As much as it pains me, I may have to go back to Cindy's interview with OCSO where she was 'helping' them with their time line. I just can't remember if they mentioned these dates or just started with the 16th of June. Does anyone else remember, it might save me from getting a headache - I tend to want to bang my head against a wall after watching her for more than 30 seconds :)

If your going to read CA's stuff, here take this with you :drink:
It is very difficult to listen for more than 30 seconds, you are absolutely right, I admire you :clap:

Coley
11-28-2008, 03:38 PM
Depends on which set of docs, I'm going by the latest dumps.

Well then this really ruins anyone credibility IMO. If the documents can't get the dates when someone see's Caylee then what do they have? Gesh, this bothers me!!!

Macushla
11-28-2008, 03:39 PM
Ok, TonE says in his interview that he was mistaken about the 2nd of June being the last time he saw Caylee and talks about going to the Mall either the 11th or 12th of June to put up flyers for whatever was going on at Fusion on the 13th. It is on page 20 of the interview done on the 22nd of July:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

P.S. I think in his first interview he was trying to distance himself from this whole mess, but then realized someone might 'rat him out' if he didn't admit to having been with them on the Mall trip

not_my_kids
11-28-2008, 03:44 PM
Well then this really ruins anyone credibility IMO. If the documents can't get the dates when someone see's Caylee then what do they have? Gesh, this bothers me!!!

I know, that's what makes the whole timeline thing so hard. No one knows when they last saw anyone and everybody changes their stories half a dozen times. I'll drive a priest to swear.
I know that the statements in the lastest doc dump were made 7/22. Do we know when the statements in the missing report were made. maybe he jsut had time to think about it.

Macushla
11-28-2008, 03:47 PM
Does anyone know if there is a transcript of Cindy's interview with OSCO? that would be so much easier than actually trying to watch it. I looked in the sticky thread but all I could see were videos of the interviews, not transcripts.

DianeB
11-28-2008, 03:49 PM
On a related note, the most recent docs show that Casey texted and phoned Tony several times between 8pm ish on the night of 6/15 into the early hours of 6/16. He finally texted her back around 3AM on the 16th, so she and Caylee weren't with him then.

TxLady2
11-28-2008, 07:10 PM
Most people would not be able to pin down an exact date when they saw someone after a month. I can tell you that my middle son called me last week... but I am not positive what day I last saw him. I don't mark it on my calendar.

JBean
11-28-2008, 07:15 PM
Please keep all timeline discussion in this forum. if you guys would all get together you would probably solve the case :)

Macushla
11-28-2008, 07:22 PM
Well, it looks like I am going to have to wade through the OCSO interview after all *SIGH*
I just can't make myself do it tonight though, I need to mentally prepare myself first. I will try to get to it tomorrow - headache here I come!

k8e_r
11-28-2008, 10:22 PM
IMO everyone is on point from reading through the documents and tony did say the last time he saw caylee was on the 2nd but then corrected himself and stated it was on the 12th. All the other dates are also right, coming from what I read, the only other account thats missing is June 15th, Father's Day. That's the day Cindy took Caylee to visit her father at the nursing home. The nurses and Caylee's great grandma can account for that but any day after that IMO it's all just hear say. No one in that family can be trusted that their telling the truth because they are family, and family is known to do anything to save and help one another.

passionflower
11-28-2008, 11:09 PM
To many cover ups and LE interference from ants, IMO, all the ants (CA,GA,LA and KC)
KNOW the whole story! why lie? because they are guilty in part of the story!

Coley
11-29-2008, 02:39 AM
IMO everyone is on point from reading through the documents and tony did say the last time he saw caylee was on the 2nd but then corrected himself and stated it was on the 12th. All the other dates are also right, coming from what I read, the only other account thats missing is June 15th, Father's Day. That's the day Cindy took Caylee to visit her father at the nursing home. The nurses and Caylee's great grandma can account for that but any day after that IMO it's all just hear say. No one in that family can be trusted that their telling the truth because they are family, and family is known to do anything to save and help one another.

Right, that's why we are doing accountability for 6/9-6/14. IMO, the date of death is a day after the trip to see her great grandfather.

Remember it's not "telling the truth" it's the "Anthony Mis-Truths" lol

Coley
11-29-2008, 02:47 AM
On a related note, the most recent docs show that Casey texted and phoned Tony several times between 8pm ish on the night of 6/15 into the early hours of 6/16. He finally texted her back around 3AM on the 16th, so she and Caylee weren't with him then.

Do you know where she was "pinging" from?

BondJamesBond
11-29-2008, 08:40 AM
FWIW...11 pages on this time period on an 'old' thread started back in September.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70811

BeanE
12-05-2008, 01:50 PM
Just listened (again! weeeeeee!) to Cindy's OCSO LE interviews looking for other info, but was aware of this thread, so passing on this info for what it's worth (note this is all what Cindy says):

Friday may 30 until Monday june 9 cindy was off from work on vacation.

Cindy babysat caylee all week. Caylee and Cindy swam in the pool every day. went shopping a few days, mostly stayed home, finger painted, watched movies.

Casey was in and out, but Cindy saw her every day.

may 30 - friday - Cindy's mom called her day before and said dad wasn't doing well, so Cindy went to mt. dora after work to

visit dad, and stayed overnight. Cindy was supposed to go to fort meyers with casey on this day but didn't because of dad being sick.

may 31 - saturday - cindy in mt. dora in morning from overnight

stay. Spent the day, then came back home.

June 1 - sunday - george working. cindy stays home because george is working.

June 2 - Monday - cookout with casey and lee and caylee on memorial

day monday before george went to work. later says lee invited but

may not have come.

June 7 - Saturday - george and cindy went to cocoa beach. they did not have caylee with them.

june 8 - sunday - Cindy visited her dad.


Detective brings up the night that ricardo says casey and caylee at his place, all went to sleep, caylee gone in morning when he and casey woke up, casey said cindy called middle of night and said to bring caylee home. cindy denies this happened.

Detective brings up 2 Casey overnights with Ricardo several times. Cindy says she is positive caylee was with her both nights that ricardo says caylee stayed at his place. cindy stressed this.

begin discussion of week of june 9 (monday)

"normal" week. Cindy only remembers 1 night that casey was gone

overnight, and that would have been to crash at zanny's.

later detective brings up june 9 at ricardo's again, and cindy says well maybe it was 2 nights at zanny's through last week and this because casey was beginning to spend more nights at zanny's.


My comments:

Cindy claims several times throughout that Caylee was with her every night this week and the week before.

Sorry this isn't properly punctuated and capitalized and all that.

tangerinemoon
12-05-2008, 02:08 PM
I am confused.

So, in this video with foxnews Megyn Kelly on July 21, Cindy states that the last time Caylee was with Casey was on June 14th:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

So, which is it? June 14 or 15th?:confused:

BeanE
12-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Doing research. Had this thread in mind. Thought this info might be helpful here so posting.

Jesse OCSO LE interview. Jesse reports from his timeline he prepared with input from Amy, Ricardo, Troy, Tony

May 30 - Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo's

May 31 - Pool party at Jesse's apartment complex. Casey attends with Tony. Tony DJs. Jesse left to go to shopping for birthday gift for his brother. When he got back, Casey and Tony were gone. Where's Caylee?

June 1 - Casey texts Amy/Ricardo/Troy, who are at Voyage nightclub, and tells them she's already out at place unknown. Where's Caylee?

June 2 - Casey tells Ricardo she's kissed Tony.

June 4 - Casey and Tony go to Voyage nightclub. Meet Amy/Ricardo/Troy. It's Troy's birthday. Casey, Tony and 2 friends leave at 12:30 - 12:45am (June 4). Casey drove this night but unknown if it was her car. Where's Caylee?

June 6 - Casey goes to Fusion for 1st time. Was supposed to go out w/Ricardo but told him she was working. Ricardo later finds pics of Casey at Fusion on the internet. Where's Caylee?

June 7 - Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo's.

June 8 - Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo's. Amy is home from Tallahassee.

June 9 - Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo's. Amy is home.

June 11 - Casey tells Ricardo she's dating Tony. Amy and Ricardo go to Voyage nightclub without Casey. Troy goes to D.C.

June 12 - Ricardo goes to Tampa.

June 13 - Casey supposed to go to Jacksonville with Amy, but tells Amy (and Ricardo by phone) she can't because George had a stroke.

June 14 - Nobody knows where Casey is

June 15 - Amy and Casey talk about Cindy and George divorcing, Cindy getting condo and signing over house to Casey, Amy and Casey will move into house. Move is delayed because George is doing some work on the house.

June 16 - Casey tells Jesse via phone (12 minute conversation) that Cindy and George divorcing but Cindy is not moving after all, and Casey must move out of the house. Jesse hears Caylee in background.

June 17 to 23 - Casey falls off the face of the earth. Nobody knows where she is. All indications are that Casey is with Tony.

June 24 - Jesse calls Casey. Doesn't know where she is. Heard Caylee in the background. Casey tells Caylee "Caylee! No! Stop!" "Get off the table, Caylee! Mom's on the phone!"

ETA: At the end of the intervew, Jesse says that Casey did not stay at home from June 11 through 15th

Bobo
12-07-2008, 08:48 PM
I'm glad to see this thread here. I think with some input from our "ping mavens" and from some of the other hot sticky threads, we may get closer to filling out the title of this thread: Accountability of Caylee.

It is likely that LE is withholding some info that would be of great value to easy answers, though. With every doc dump, there are either more pieces to this puzzle presented -- or pieces we thought we recognized changed either color or shape (or both!) :banghead:

For me, it's like a jigsaw puzzle made up of pieces made like those old Cracker Jack prizes that change depending on from what angle you view (am I dating myself? LOL

doogiesgirl
12-08-2008, 09:12 AM
I am confused.

So, in this video with foxnews Megyn Kelly on July 21, Cindy states that the last time Caylee was with Casey was on June 14th:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

So, which is it? June 14 or 15th?:confused:

Cindy also confuses me. I noticed in the FBI interview with CA, she is talking about KC's passwords having meaning, one of which is the "timer55", and CA says if you count back 55 days from Caylee's birthday you get June 14, I think she goes on to wonder if something accidental happened to Caylee on 6/14? I thought to myself, "what is she talking about, she had Caylee on the 15th of June, didn't she? so how can she be wondering if something happened to Caylee on that day???" It doesn't make any sense. I guess it's just more gibberish from CA???? Strange tho.

passionflower
12-08-2008, 09:27 PM
On a related note, the most recent docs show that Casey texted and phoned Tony several times between 8pm ish on the night of 6/15 into the early hours of 6/16. He finally texted her back around 3AM on the 16th, so she and Caylee weren't with him then.

LP thinks Caylee was murdered on June 16, 1-2 am..........on NG

ibyoungr
05-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Bump it up

Sophiered
05-02-2009, 02:40 AM
The ones you mentioned were the only ones I could find using the Calendar here on WS. As much as it pains me, I may have to go back to Cindy's interview with OCSO where she was 'helping' them with their time line. I just can't remember if they mentioned these dates or just started with the 16th of June. Does anyone else remember, it might save me from getting a headache - I tend to want to bang my head against a wall after watching her for more than 30 seconds :)

I'm trying to read Cindy's transcript now.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

I found the reason why on the 3rd of July that Casey told her friends, if her mom phones, to tell her she isn't there.. I copied it below. Row 15. Page 17.

Q Okay and the 3rd you say you actually visited Universal Studios.
A Uh huh (Affirmative)
Q ..in an effort to go pick up the child, Caylee not there and you spoke with her on the phone that day. Friday, anything on Friday stand out?
A friday was the 4th of July, we spoke a couple of times um, as to whether or not we were gonna get to take Caylee to see fireworks. and Caysee wasn't sure if they were coming back and then...
Q From where?
A She was supposed to be still in Jacksonville. Cause on Thursday is when she told me she was in Jackonsville and that she'd actually been in Jacksonville all week. That's what she said. She was with Jeff all week. Then she told me that they were um, trying to work things out to be a family. She also told me that um, during this, from here out that um, there was a possibility that when Jeff moved back to Orlando that they'd be moving in together. So again Im not sure if Jeff's the actual person but the name but might be a person that se was talking to about that. Jeff was supposed to be coming home on Saturday. He was gonna follow Caysee.
Q From?
A Was that the weekend she told me he (inaudible). Um oh gosh, there was one weekend they were supposed to come home I think. That didn't happen.
Q And so they stayed in Jacksonville this whole week here too you think?
A That's what she said. In fact I was under the impression she was in Jacksonville the day we found the car, that was the whole point, she was supposed to be in Jacksonville.

Intermezzo
05-02-2009, 11:04 AM
I'm trying to read Cindy's transcript now.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

I found the reason why on the 3rd of July that Casey told her friends, if her mom phones, to tell her she isn't there.. I copied it below. Row 15. Page 17.

confused:eek:
Why did Cindy go to Universal if Casey was in Jacksonville, supposedly, all week.
Casey was in Jacksonville with Jeff, and Caylee was where? spending all week at Universal?
So Cindy went on her own wild goose chase to Universal to find Caylee....When going to Universal Studios you pay to park at the parking garage, then you walk over to CityWalk Entertainment/restaurant area (Free) but to go into Islands of Adventure or Universal Studios you have to pay to get in at the gates...did Cindy pay to go into the theme park and just walk around?
Also, I think I read a transcript with Cindy that Casey also told her they couldn't come back, car troubles, Jeff had Casey's car in the shop and Jeff's mom or sister was watching Caylee, or something about Jeff's mom getting married.....Am I confused here? probably, too many of Casey's lies and stories to keep straight. :banghead:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

cindy starts off saying Jeff is at the Hard Rock hotel (Universal Orlando) and mentions the dates June 29&30, Casey is hanging with Jeff at the hotel. Zannie not able to babysit Caylee so her roommate is taking Caylee around Universal etc.....on June 30(Monday)
further down in the interview(page 17) cindy says Casey told her she'd been in Jacksonville all week working?

Chiquita71
05-02-2009, 11:51 AM
I'm trying to read Cindy's transcript now.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

I found the reason why on the 3rd of July that Casey told her friends, if her mom phones, to tell her she isn't there.. I copied it below. Row 15. Page 17.


Reality #1: Caylee Anthony's remains were found near her home that she shared with her mother/grandmother/grandfather. We know that Caylee died.


Reality #2: Casey did not report or tell anyone that Caylee was missing.

(I do not want to add the "31 days" and all that because nothing is clear about that to me. Casey stated to LE on July16th the last time to see Caylee 6/9. Cindy stated to LE on July15th the last time she saw Caylee was 6/8. She also stated 6/14. Currently Cindy states? George states to LE July15th that 6/9 was the last time he saw Caylee. George then states to GVS the last time he saw Caylee was on June16th 1:00PM while watching his 'favorite program' before work. Cindy is at his side and does not dispute this, because she was asked when she last saw Caylee and she had deferred the question to George because (paraphrasing) "he really was the last of us two to actually see them, I was at work...so...George?" And George begins story with Cindy interjecting to help him tell the story that she didn't really know about 'cause she wasn't there but George was...

July3/7th(?) MySpace entry by Cindy: "My Caylee is missing." From June8/9th to at least this entry Cindy saw Caylee as "missing"/meaning she(Cindy) was not the one taking care of Caylee. This would be an interesting time-frame to take a look at...doubtful that Casey had Caylee with her everywhere she went during this time?

This case is a maze to my mind. It seems the more information I take in the less things make sense. I know this is what it is like to actually know this family because I have a family eerily similar...:crazy:


So, I want to bring up the post in this thread "WHERE IS CAYLEE?" And that this thread's purpose is for Accountability of Caylee: yes, lets answer all those questions on each day...where was caylee?

Like this: If WE KNOW that on July3 that Cindy believed Casey was in Jacksonville...and she told her friends not to tell her mom anything if she called...then do we know from any friends they saw Caylee that day? Because: using this date as an example, if Cindy/George did not have Caylee and she was not with Casey who was with her friends?:confused:

With all the information swimming around in my head: rumor, fact, theories, documents, etc....it's like you see Caylee is as mysterious as "Nanny/Zanny"-no one really saw her, they don't know who had her at the time-no matter who you talk to-family, friends...it is the same. It seems that if a child was being taken care of...even if poorly by being passed around or taken to all kinds of inappropriate places: if we put together the stories of everyone, we SHOULD see where was Caylee.

But: it seems with more information Caylee become hazy in her own story, I can't imagine everyone is lying and memories of dates can become hard to recall, add in that someone/or someone's for same or different reasons may be covering/fudging/whathaveyou/forwhateverreason-and I can see why putting together "what really happened" needs much more work.

But Again: Even with all of this being said: Caylee should be all over everyone's stories. More than this. It's like you are seeing that Casey did something with Caylee when no one could/would watch her. This only starts happening: it being very unclear about who has Caylee after Cindy's vacation May30 to 6/3: Cindy has her this week in full. It is after 6/8 that Cindy's part in knowing "where is Caylee" gets fuzzy/George too till Caylee pops up in their life for 6/15th Father's day visit to GGrandpa(george states early 16th)-so now they are out of Caylee's story on the 16thJune.

We have to decide if we are going to include JG statement about "hearing" Caylee 6/24. This is "accounting" for Caylee and even though this is not a physical sighting: if true she can be 'accounted for'.

Accounting for Caylee during the time 6/9 to July15th when she was offically reported missing takes on two directions: trying to know/show where/how Caylee was being taken care of during a window of time at the end of her life. Creating a "just the facts mam'" chart of each day and if we can know what that day was for Caylee/what she was doing/who had her. This is separate from understanding Casey's time line to know "how she did it/when/etc."

We would like to throw out almost that Caylee passes at the end of the 'story'(I don't like being so detached about this but I have to say it this way to get my point across-I don't mean to call what happened to Baby Caylee is just a story):( As if we were looking into just a child neglect case. (is there one being put against anyone?)

I would love to have the cold hard facts(as best we can know)about where was Caylee for the few months before her death? I think it may be a clue as to more about Casey and the life she was living during that time, her mind set, and other clues to Caylee's demise. :(


....jmo...Thanks for indulging my babble.

Jolynna
05-02-2009, 02:42 PM
Casey was seen by lots of people after June 9.

Tony took Caylee and Casey to the mall of the millenium to pass out flyers on June 11. Clint House saw Caylee at Tony's apartment the afternoon of June 13. Kristina and Casey and Caylee took a walk June 12, 13 or 14. Cindy took Caylee to Mt. Dora on June 15. Caylee was seen by her great grandmother and great grandfather and several Mt. Dora employees. Cindy signed the guest book that day. Caylee was videotaped.

The case calendar gives a good account of Casey and Caylee before June 16 and then before July 15.Ibyoungr on the Fight between Cindy and Casey thread has broken down all of Casey's pings, links to witness accounts of Casey's activities, texts between Casey and Amy, and Casey's cell phone records. They are very telling.

JMO

ibyoungr
05-03-2009, 02:34 PM
Casey was seen by lots of people after June 9.

Tony took Caylee and Casey to the mall of the millenium to pass out flyers on June 11. Clint House saw Caylee at Tony's apartment the afternoon of June 13. Kristina and Casey and Caylee took a walk June 12, 13 or 14. Cindy took Caylee to Mt. Dora on June 15. Caylee was seen by her great grandmother and great grandfather and several Mt. Dora employees. Cindy signed the guest book that day. Caylee was videotaped.

The case calendar gives a good account of Casey and Caylee before June 16 and then before July 15.Ibyoungr on the Fight between Cindy and Casey thread has broken down all of Casey's pings, links to witness accounts of Casey's activities, texts between Casey and Amy, and Casey's cell phone records. They are very telling.

JMO

Thanks!

Caylee was with Cindy or Casey. Casey during the day and Cindy at night.
She is accounted for.
She was not stuffed in a trunk during parties.

ibyoungr
05-03-2009, 02:37 PM
Reality #1: Caylee Anthony's remains were found near her home that she shared with her mother/grandmother/grandfather. We know that Caylee died.


Reality #2: Casey did not report or tell anyone that Caylee was missing.

(I do not want to add the "31 days" and all that because nothing is clear about that to me. Casey stated to LE on July16th the last time to see Caylee 6/9. Cindy stated to LE on July15th the last time she saw Caylee was 6/8. She also stated 6/14. Currently Cindy states? George states to LE July15th that 6/9 was the last time he saw Caylee. George then states to GVS the last time he saw Caylee was on June16th 1:00PM while watching his 'favorite program' before work. Cindy is at his side and does not dispute this, because she was asked when she last saw Caylee and she had deferred the question to George because (paraphrasing) "he really was the last of us two to actually see them, I was at work...so...George?" And George begins story with Cindy interjecting to help him tell the story that she didn't really know about 'cause she wasn't there but George was...

July3/7th(?) MySpace entry by Cindy: "My Caylee is missing." From June8/9th to at least this entry Cindy saw Caylee as "missing"/meaning she(Cindy) was not the one taking care of Caylee. This would be an interesting time-frame to take a look at...doubtful that Casey had Caylee with her everywhere she went during this time?

This case is a maze to my mind. It seems the more information I take in the less things make sense. I know this is what it is like to actually know this family because I have a family eerily similar...:crazy:


So, I want to bring up the post in this thread "WHERE IS CAYLEE?" And that this thread's purpose is for Accountability of Caylee: yes, lets answer all those questions on each day...where was caylee?

Like this: If WE KNOW that on July3 that Cindy believed Casey was in Jacksonville...and she told her friends not to tell her mom anything if she called...then do we know from any friends they saw Caylee that day? Because: using this date as an example, if Cindy/George did not have Caylee and she was not with Casey who was with her friends?:confused:

With all the information swimming around in my head: rumor, fact, theories, documents, etc....it's like you see Caylee is as mysterious as "Nanny/Zanny"-no one really saw her, they don't know who had her at the time-no matter who you talk to-family, friends...it is the same. It seems that if a child was being taken care of...even if poorly by being passed around or taken to all kinds of inappropriate places: if we put together the stories of everyone, we SHOULD see where was Caylee.

But: it seems with more information Caylee become hazy in her own story, I can't imagine everyone is lying and memories of dates can become hard to recall, add in that someone/or someone's for same or different reasons may be covering/fudging/whathaveyou/forwhateverreason-and I can see why putting together "what really happened" needs much more work.

But Again: Even with all of this being said: Caylee should be all over everyone's stories. More than this. It's like you are seeing that Casey did something with Caylee when no one could/would watch her. This only starts happening: it being very unclear about who has Caylee after Cindy's vacation May30 to 6/3: Cindy has her this week in full. It is after 6/8 that Cindy's part in knowing "where is Caylee" gets fuzzy/George too till Caylee pops up in their life for 6/15th Father's day visit to GGrandpa(george states early 16th)-so now they are out of Caylee's story on the 16thJune.

We have to decide if we are going to include JG statement about "hearing" Caylee 6/24. This is "accounting" for Caylee and even though this is not a physical sighting: if true she can be 'accounted for'.

Accounting for Caylee during the time 6/9 to July15th when she was offically reported missing takes on two directions: trying to know/show where/how Caylee was being taken care of during a window of time at the end of her life. Creating a "just the facts mam'" chart of each day and if we can know what that day was for Caylee/what she was doing/who had her. This is separate from understanding Casey's time line to know "how she did it/when/etc."

We would like to throw out almost that Caylee passes at the end of the 'story'(I don't like being so detached about this but I have to say it this way to get my point across-I don't mean to call what happened to Baby Caylee is just a story):( As if we were looking into just a child neglect case. (is there one being put against anyone?)

I would love to have the cold hard facts(as best we can know)about where was Caylee for the few months before her death? I think it may be a clue as to more about Casey and the life she was living during that time, her mind set, and other clues to Caylee's demise. :(


....jmo...Thanks for indulging my babble.


Caylee died on June 16th.. Casey's partying picked up and went in high gear on June 20th. bolded above by me...
Casey did not need a babysitter.. Caylee was already dead.

Sophiered
05-03-2009, 10:59 PM
To Intermezzo. You wrote..
Also, I think I read a transcript with Cindy that Casey also told her they couldn't come back, car troubles, Jeff had Casey's car in the shop and Jeff's mom or sister was watching Caylee, or something about Jeff's mom getting married.....Am I confused here

Yes that is what I remember reading in that same transcript of Cindy.

To anyone who had that painful experience of watching the video's of Cindy's LE interview.. I found it well worth the time to read her transcript again, you read things that you miss in the video. I found it very enlightening.

Sophiered
05-03-2009, 11:15 PM
Reality #1: Caylee Anthony's remains were found near her home that she shared with her mother/grandmother/grandfather. We know that Caylee died.


Reality #2: Casey did not report or tell anyone that Caylee was missing.

(I do not want to add the "31 days" and all that because nothing is clear about that to me. Casey stated to LE on July16th the last time to see Caylee 6/9. Cindy stated to LE on July15th the last time she saw Caylee was 6/8. She also stated 6/14. Currently Cindy states? George states to LE July15th that 6/9 was the last time he saw Caylee. George then states to GVS the last time he saw Caylee was on June16th 1:00PM while watching his 'favorite program' before work. Cindy is at his side and does not dispute this, because she was asked when she last saw Caylee and she had deferred the question to George because (paraphrasing) "he really was the last of us two to actually see them, I was at work...so...George?" And George begins story with Cindy interjecting to help him tell the story that she didn't really know about 'cause she wasn't there but George was...

July3/7th(?) MySpace entry by Cindy: "My Caylee is missing." From June8/9th to at least this entry Cindy saw Caylee as "missing"/meaning she(Cindy) was not the one taking care of Caylee. This would be an interesting time-frame to take a look at...doubtful that Casey had Caylee with her everywhere she went during this time?

This case is a maze to my mind. It seems the more information I take in the less things make sense. I know this is what it is like to actually know this family because I have a family eerily similar...:crazy:


So, I want to bring up the post in this thread "WHERE IS CAYLEE?" And that this thread's purpose is for Accountability of Caylee: yes, lets answer all those questions on each day...where was caylee?

Like this: If WE KNOW that on July3 that Cindy believed Casey was in Jacksonville...and she told her friends not to tell her mom anything if she called...then do we know from any friends they saw Caylee that day? Because: using this date as an example, if Cindy/George did not have Caylee and she was not with Casey who was with her friends?:confused:

With all the information swimming around in my head: rumor, fact, theories, documents, etc....it's like you see Caylee is as mysterious as "Nanny/Zanny"-no one really saw her, they don't know who had her at the time-no matter who you talk to-family, friends...it is the same. It seems that if a child was being taken care of...even if poorly by being passed around or taken to all kinds of inappropriate places: if we put together the stories of everyone, we SHOULD see where was Caylee.

But: it seems with more information Caylee become hazy in her own story, I can't imagine everyone is lying and memories of dates can become hard to recall, add in that someone/or someone's for same or different reasons may be covering/fudging/whathaveyou/forwhateverreason-and I can see why putting together "what really happened" needs much more work.

But Again: Even with all of this being said: Caylee should be all over everyone's stories. More than this. It's like you are seeing that Casey did something with Caylee when no one could/would watch her. This only starts happening: it being very unclear about who has Caylee after Cindy's vacation May30 to 6/3: Cindy has her this week in full. It is after 6/8 that Cindy's part in knowing "where is Caylee" gets fuzzy/George too till Caylee pops up in their life for 6/15th Father's day visit to GGrandpa(george states early 16th)-so now they are out of Caylee's story on the 16thJune.

We have to decide if we are going to include JG statement about "hearing" Caylee 6/24. This is "accounting" for Caylee and even though this is not a physical sighting: if true she can be 'accounted for'.

Accounting for Caylee during the time 6/9 to July15th when she was offically reported missing takes on two directions: trying to know/show where/how Caylee was being taken care of during a window of time at the end of her life. Creating a "just the facts mam'" chart of each day and if we can know what that day was for Caylee/what she was doing/who had her. This is separate from understanding Casey's time line to know "how she did it/when/etc."

We would like to throw out almost that Caylee passes at the end of the 'story'(I don't like being so detached about this but I have to say it this way to get my point across-I don't mean to call what happened to Baby Caylee is just a story):( As if we were looking into just a child neglect case. (is there one being put against anyone?)

I would love to have the cold hard facts(as best we can know)about where was Caylee for the few months before her death? I think it may be a clue as to more about Casey and the life she was living during that time, her mind set, and other clues to Caylee's demise. :(


....jmo...Thanks for indulging my babble.

I'm sorry I am not following you, unless you mean my post doesn't belong in the "Accountability of Caylee" thread. I am new here and as yet still trying to find my way around, I was replying to post number 3 in this thread, I did a search to try to find a discussion thread on that transcript of Cindy and had no luck, so posted it here because I thought it helped answer post 3.
I know that Caylee was dead on July 3rd, but due to having just found out the reason why Casey told her friends if her mother phones to not tell her where she is (or words similar). From reading that comment about the 3rd from Cindy, I took it to mean she had been in touch with Casey and told her she was coming to see her.

travelgal
05-04-2009, 12:04 AM
I am confused.

So, in this video with foxnews Megyn Kelly on July 21, Cindy states that the last time Caylee was with Casey was on June 14th:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

So, which is it? June 14 or 15th?:confused:

WOW!! I have never seen this interview before (I don't know where I was) but Meghyn Kelly is MY HERO! One of the very few interviewers to stand up to CA and not allow her to control the interview the way she usually does. I know the purpose here is to discern the times Caylee was with Casey, but I am very grateful to know about this interview. Boy, that Cindy never runs out of venom! :snake:
Thanks Tangerinemoon! :blowkiss:

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 12:57 AM
Casey left the Anthony house on June 14th around 11:50 AM. She spent a couple hours at Tony's and after receiving a VM from Cindy at 3:29 PM... she heads home at 3:48 PM. Casey prolly told her mom that she had to "go to work" and Cindy kept Caylee. Casey pings at the Anthony home that evening. We are working on the day to day movements of Casey during May 24th and June 15th.
CLICK HERE (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3690843&postcount=581)

Read through the above linked post as I generally account for Caylee's whereabouts.



Cindy and George went to the beach on June 7th and Casey was seen with Caylee on that date by Amy and Ric. June 14th.. My guess, G and C wanted to go out to eat supper and wanted to know when Casey was coming home, so a phone call is made to Casey. Casey arrives at home the rest of the night into the next day... when she shows up at Tony's at 9:12 Am in the morning on June 15th and doesn't come home until 7:36 PM. Cindy has Caylee at the nursing home.



Some patterns have emerged... even chaotic people have organized chaos.
Patterns regarding "fight times" and Casey's comings and goings.

Read through the above linked post as I generally account for Caylee's whereabouts.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 01:07 AM
Ok.. My posts regarding the minute by minute - play by play is getting scattered..

So.. to account for Caylee and Casey from May 24th till June 15th. (only have worked out to the 6th so far)

I am going to repost all of it together over here.. my apologies to all that have read them before.... but they may be easier to reference here.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 01:23 AM
May 23rd - May 31st... I have no pings to work off of.. only Amy's texts and interviews of the 4 main people who spent the most time with Casey and Caylee. Tony, Cindy, Ric and Amy.

BJB Dug this up... and posted here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3694550&postcount=606) Unallocated clusters p2655

Casey is chatting it up with Tony R the cop who later got fired for lying about his contact with her...
FRIDAY 23RD MAY
AR 2:29pm So what did those mean?
KC What did what mean?
AR Your statuses on Facebook
KC 2:30pm Which one/s?
AR Nothing. Forget it
KC Haha, what? If you want to know I need to know specifics
AR Nah its nothing
KC Ok
AR 2:30pm I dont remember specifics.
KC 2:31pm I was feeling a bit better, for a few days, so things I wrote, probably reflected what I was feeling then
AR O
KC I'm pretty much over a lot of stuff, and have moved on from others. Getting sick AGAIN, is just proving to me that I need to start looking out for numero uno more often.
AR Yeah, I know the feeling
AR 2:32pm Well, we should get together. Let me know what your your up to when you are free
KC Will do. You working this weekend>
AR No. My friends are coming up for my birthday. They should be here soon hopefully
KC Yeah, I remember you saying your brother was going to be here. Nice
AR Yeah, he wont be here till wednesday
KC Well let me know, as long as i'm feeling better, I'm free all weekend
AR 2:33pm I am tied all weekend but free aftre work next week
KC I guess its next week then. I'll check my schedule
AR OK
KC 2:34pm I start my vacation Thursday, so I'll be free for 12 of my 15 day vacation
AR Ok
So...from 5/23 week, starting vacation Thursday of 'next week' would be 5/29-30. Planning to have 15-days of vacation. That would put her vacation ending....hmmm... 6/16'ish...



May 24th
Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
"Went to Daniel Howards Bday party where Tony was DJ’ing. Casey brought along 2 friends Amy Huzienga and Troy Brown. This is the night that Tony and Casey met. The first met on Facebook, because it stated she was a Valenica Student and she was hot. During the week of May 19th – 24th, Tony called Casey and she could not meet up with him because she was waiting for the kids to fall asleep. He wanted her to meet his friend Clint House and his girlfriend Maria. Tony stated “she couldn’t because she was with the nanny and her kids.”
Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdfPage 7
“24th you were in Tampa?” Ric states “uh-hum…”

Cindy states she has Caylee the Sundays in May. Casey told her mom she was working... but she was meeting with Tony instead.

May 26th
Cindy’s Aug 1st audio interview:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html
Cindy was off Memorial Day. Caylee was home with her that Monday. Memorial Day.. Lee came over and they had a cookout that day before George went to work. Casey and Caylee must have been there. She is not with Ric and not with Tony.

May 29th and 30th
Casey and Caylee spend both nights at Ric's. Cindy thinks they are staying at Zanny’s after Casey gets off work. Amy is not living at Ric's yet. Cindy stays in Mt Dora the 30th

Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 7[/B]“Casey and Caylee both spent the night at Ric’s. Ric went to work the morning of the 31st and they were not there when he returned"

Cindy’s Aug 1st audio interview:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html Min mark 28:29
“ Cindy went up the Friday before her vacation to Mt Dora. She stayed over night Friday night and came back on Saturday. I know now I did not go to the beach that Saturday. Stayed home that Saturday.

IM HISTORY with Tony L aka L7Tone 9
Friday, May 30, 2008 from 11:06 AM to 11:34 AM
Document located http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4770482/IM-History-with-L7Tone
just flirting… She mentions that “my kid my actually be potty trained by her birthday! Thank god


Saturday May 31st
Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 7 “Casey and Caylee were at Ric’s that Saturday morning but not when he got off work.”

Cindy’s Aug 1st audio interview:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html
“Caylee was with them most Saturday and Sundays… She thought her and George and Cindy went to the beach before the start of her vacation. Could be June 7th, and then went to Mt Dora to see her dad on June 8th. She is pretty sure her and George went before her vacation. Which is May 31st. Cindy later recants this at minute mark 29:45 and says she definitely went to the beach on June 7th with George. She was back that night after the beach… was pretty sure she had Caylee.

George and Cindy's E-Pass records as posted by BJB here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2907723&postcount=16)

Originally Posted by Muzikman Just for the record, the E-Pass records show them taking George's car to the beach on June 7 - Leaving around 10:37 AM, getting back around 3:42 PM.

May 31st in the evening...
[B]Casey had plans to meet up with Tony later that night at the Hiphop Showcase. Casey says she is working.. Cindy has Caylee

Caylee was evidently home with Cindy on the 31st, she thought Casey was working. Det Edward mistakenly says in Cindy’s Aug 1st interview that Casey brought Caylee home in the middle of the night of the 31st and went back to Ric’s. Ricardo states in his interview that Casey did not spend the night with him on the 31st. This is correct, Casey went to the hiphop showcase on the 31st with Tony and arriving at home at 3:28 AM.
Ric's interview: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=852&pictureid=6863

Det Edwards makes the same mistake in Lee's interview.. and asks Lee if Casey would have brought home Caylee in the middle of the night on May 30th. Ricardo stated this happen when they were still dating which would have happened prior to April.


Lee's interview: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=852&pictureid=6862

Cindy’s Aug 1st audio interview:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html



Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
HipHop showcase –at the Arden Villa pool. First date with Tony. She contacted him and met him ah the Arden Villas. She left for 30 minutes to meet a friend that lived at Arden Villas. She returned to introduce Jesse Grund, her ex-fiance. The weather turned bad and Tony wanted to go to the movies and then he invited Casey. They went to Waterford lakes that evening around 5 to 7 pm. After the movie, Tony and Casey went to Estelle’s apt. Tony states he drove Casey’s car that day as his was still in the shop. When Casey’s mom would call she would step out of the apt. She had a special ringtone for her mother’s call.
She could not stay the night of May 31st because she had to go home. Her mother called and wanted her to come home.
Caylee was evidently home with Cindy on the 31st, she thought Casey was working. Det Edward mistakenly says in Cindy’s Aug 1st interview that Casey brought Caylee home in the middle of the night of the 31st and went back to Ric’s. Ricardo states in his interview that Casey did not spend the night with him on the 31st. This is correct, Casey went to the hiphop showcase on the 31st with Tony and arriving at home at 3 AM.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 01:36 AM
Sunday, June 1st
Arrives home and pings at 3:16 AM from the night before with Tony at Arden Villages. Casey gets some sleep (4 hours) Gets up and leaves early , pings near to at Tony’s,leaves Caylee with mom while she spends the day with Tony at a BBQ. Caylee was with her grandmother this day. Casey was in and out all week.

AHuzienga July 16 interview
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447600/...ased-Nov-06-08
“…her parents were there more than the nanny was.. nine times out of ten or well maybe like four out of five she would talk about having to get her parents to look after her.”
Cindy’s Aug 1st audio interview:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...forcement.html Minute mark 20:40.
“Cindy states she had Caylee most days the first week of June. Casey was in and out. They went swimming, shopping at Publix at Lee Vista and did yard work. Played, watched movies, Caylee has a life vest that she used in the pool. These were put on while they were in the screened porch.” “Was going to Fort Meyers.. dad was not doing well so she decided to stay close to home.”

7:25 AM - Casey receives a text from Tony R and by this time she is pinging near/at Tony L’s apt.
7:29 AM - She calls Tony
7:44 AM- Cindy or Anthony home calls Casey
7:44 AM- Casey VM
7:50 AM- Tony R sends another text while she is at Tony Lazzaro’s
8:16 AM- Casey texts her mother Cindy
8:17 AM- Cindy texts her mother back
8:18 AM- Casey calls her mother 2 min duration
No cell activity again till…. 12:14 PM

During the 4 hours of no activity it would be easy to surmise some sexual activity per:
Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
"This is the first time we became intimate."
OR….
Did she not go to Tony’s but shopping in the area, go home.. fight with her mom and then go to Tony’s? There was 4 HOURS of NO Cell activity so we can not say she was at Tony’s during this time.

12:14 PM pings at Tony's
AH- Incoming Text (I think this text happened on 12:14 Am on June 1st because it fits better.)
“I may be home tom. Will isn’t calling me back. Are you guys going out tom night”?
12:51 PM VM
12:51 PM Ric - No Location – He must be leaving a VM
Casey cell phone did not show activity for 30 minutes between 12:14 when Amy sent a text and 12:54 when Rick called and a VM was left.
Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
"They went to Ryan Lopez,a friend’s BBQ at Pegasus Connection, off of Alafaya and University. They drove Casey’s car because Tony’s car was still in the shop. They hung out there most of the day and then headed back to his place."
2:54 PM VM - 1 min - No location
2:54 PM Anthony Home –Incoming Call. VM left. Received text regarding VM message left.
2:55 PM Voicemail text – Pings at University and Alafaya Trail Cell tower location: 11555 Walden Woods Dr/ Orlando/ FL/ 32826 This is near Ryan Lopez's
While still at Ryan Lopez’s BBQ and after Cindy leaves a VM for Casey. Casey calls Jesse Grund.
3:05 PM Casey calls Jesse Grund. No answer. Casey leaves a voicemail message.15 seconds later. Casey tries calling Jesse Grund again.
4:29 PM Anthony Home calls Casey again. Cindy leaves a message. VM notification text received.
5:16 PM Casey calls the Anthony Home and talks for 1 minute. She is still in the area of Alafaya and University.
6:20 PM Casey replies to Amy’s 12:14 PM text:
"Not sure if I'm going out. I’ll be with Tony during the day. I really like this kid! Can’t wait to see you."

Back at Tony’s Apt after a long afternoon BBQ’ing at Ryan’s.

Evening of June 1st… Caylee is with Grandma, Casey is with Tony. Amy, Troy and Ric.. all think she is coming out to the Rock Star Karaoke. She doesn’t show, Ric texts her.

Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview regarding June 1st.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf
“ …came back from Tallahassee and dropped her stuff off and went to go meet them at Rock Star Karokee at Voyage…fairly certain Casey was with Tony that night.. not a hundred percent.”

Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 8 “recalls going to Rock Star Karaoke with Amy, Troy and JP. The karaoke is at the Voyage as well.
8:13 PM Casey checks VM and receives a text from Ric
8:14 PM Ric texts Casey while she is still at Tony’s

Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
“They first became intimate. Tony states that Casey left his apartment late evening or early evening. Casey did not stay the night.”
8:51 PM Anthony home calls Casey Casey lets it roll to VM
“When Casey’s mom would call she would step out of the apt. She had a special ringtone for her mother’s call.”

Casey has left Tony’s at this point or has gone outside, as she begins to call her mom, and check in with Ric. She tries Cindy three times. Cindy may not be answering as she may have been putting Caylee to bed.
9:17 PM Casey calls the Anthony home. She tries again a minute later.
9:18 PM Casey texts Ric
9:19 PM Casey calls Cindy’s cell. She tries again in 22 seconds.
9:20 PM Ric texts Casey back.
9:21 PM Casey calls Cindy’s cell
9:23 PM Casey calls Tony L as her pings are 2 mi south and calls him again in 34 secs
9:24 PM Casey calls Ric and talks to him for 4 minutes her cell pings further south 2 mi SW of Tony L
9:28 PM Casey calls Tony L and does not connect - No location of cell tower
9:29 PM Casey calls Tony L and does not connect 20 secs later Tony returns Casey’s call
9:29 PM Tony calls and does not connect

Casey’s cell is pinging near Tony’s apt… but yet they are calling each other…..

9:31 PM Casey calls Tony does not connect. Cell towers still have her near or at Tony’s apt.

Casey’s cell is not in use for 2 1/2 hrs and shows no activity until 12:08 AM, June 2nd. Ping has her at Tony’s.

This is not consistent with Tony that she left early evening. Lack of cell activity could indicate she went and picked up a movie and he stayed at the apt? Did she go get food? Were they watching movies for 2.5 hours or having a sexual encounters?

12:08 AM June 2nd middle of the night....
Casey cell shows activity at Tony’s but within 4 minutes it shows her leaving and heading south.
12:12 AM Casey texts Amy H no record of what she said….
12:12 AM Amy texts Casey (I think this text occurs also 2 minutes before the last on May 31st/June 1st) Amy was out of town and wanting Casey to go out with the boys on June 1st.

“On my way home. I’ll be out with the boys if you anything else going. Limping, but out.”
12:12 AM Casey calls an unidentified number
12:16 AM Casey calls Jesse Grund and talks for 10 minutes
Casey arrives at the Anthony homestead.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 01:50 AM
June 2nd This is the day Casey and Caylee spend the day at Tony's going swimming...

12:16 AM Casey arrives at the Anthony homestead after being at Tony's after the Arden Village party.
12:21 AM Casey sends Amy a text
“Glad you’re home! Sorry I didn’t come tonight. I do have a great story for you though. I’ll call ya tomorrow!”
12:46 AM Jesse texts Casey
12:46 AM Jesse texts Casey
1:08 AM Chris S texts Casey
Casey catches some ZZZZ’s for 2 hours
3:17 AM Tony texts Casey and she does not reply, she continues sleeping...
Casey gets some more good sleep and does not show activity on her phone until the sun comes up. 6 hours.

Casey wakes up at the Anthony home after close to 8 hours since the last major texting, spends time in the morning with Caylee and her mother. Leaves with Caylee and goes to Tony’s apt for swimming. Tony does not have classes this week.

(BJB and I are proposing.. Cindy and Casey had a fight in the AM.. hence the reason Casey took Caylee for the day. This seems to be a pattern we noticed. Fight, Casey and Caylee disappear for a little bit)

9:03 AM Casey calls Tony and talks for 12 minutes. She must be up, dressed and ready to spend the day with Tony. Caylee is with her this day.
10:06 AM Casey is receiving a text message and she is pinging at Tony’s apt.
Pg 14 and 15 Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
"Tony states that he did not have school this week and Casey came over to his apt on June 2nd with Caylee. He has pictures of Casey and Caylee on his cell phone from this date. This is the first time he has seen Caylee. She brought over food for her and Caylee to eat. He did not feel real well. Relaxing at the place. She was reading Caylee books. Then they went down to the pool. Then they left around 5:30 -6:30.”

There is no cell activity for 2.25 hours after she arrives at Tony’s apt until she receives a text message.
12:30 PM Text from Chris Stutz
1:10 PM Text from Adam “Officer Charlie” Lynch?
2:10 PM Casey gets a call from Anthony Home and it lasted for 1 min. Within the same minute she gets a text notification of a call from Cindy and she then checks her VM.
2:55 PM Casey calls Casey (Voicemail check?)
2:56 PM Voicemail message gets cleared.
2:56 PM Casey calls the Anthony home call last 1 min
37 minute break…
4:33 PM Within the next minute a call comes in from the Anthony Home(Cindy) a vm text msg is sent and a outgoing call to Casey VM.

Casey and Caylee are pinging south of Tony’s at 4:34. No cell activity for 1.5 hours. This could be pool time. Lazzaro spent $5.00 at Winn Dixie on June 2nd per Credit card usage report.

4:52 PM – Tony takes a picture of Caylee at this time on his cell phone.
5:40 PM Amy H texts Casey…
“I made out with a guy last night!”
6:13 PM Anthony Home calls Casey, Call goes to VM, Casey gets text notification, she checks VM
6:27 PM Casey texts Amy
“Me too!”
Casey pings south of Tony’s until
6:40 PM Casey calls the Anthony Home and talks for 7 minutes Could be some word's flying here..
This call pings at or near Tony’s apt
6:47 PM Casey calls Ryan P and does not connect tries again in 23 seconds.
6:49 PM Casey calls Ric and talks for 5 min while Casey and Caylee are traveling south.
6:54 PM Casey calls Ryan P again and talks for 5 minutes. Casey and Caylee are at the Anthony home.
7:01 PM Casey sends a text to Tony L

Heavy texting occurs for 1 hour with Tony L until 8:09 PM for 1 hour. Caylee would have been probably spending time with her Grandma.
8:09 – 10:13 The texting slows down for with breaks of 23, 13,31, 20and 38 minute breaks. She is more or likely getting Caylee’s bath and ready for bed and just hanging out at home.
10:14 -12:10 - 2 hour text fest between Casey/Tony and Casey/Ric.
11:59 PM Casey text to Amy
“So it is more sad or funny that Ric decides to finally spill his real feelings for me after hearing that I made out with Tony? Stupid. So stupid. I couldn’t wait for him forever and I'm truly glad that I didn’t. Anyway.. I can wait to hear your story from last night!”

Casey must have made a decision at this point after the text fest to choose Tony over Ric.
12:13 AM Amy texts Casey back…
“I want that toy now that someone else has it! Dumb boys. Last night was interesting. Kissing is fun. And he was real playful which was really fun. I actually kinda want him to call not that I’m holding my breath but he was fun.”
....in the middle of the night going into the AM hours of June 3rd. Middle of the night… There are 4 missing or deleted texts from Amy’s phone documentation.
12:13:07[ AM/B] – Casey texts Amy... finish sentence over 40 secs later
“You needed a good distraction from firefighter boy. I’m glad! It’s nice to finally feel wanted to Ric but it’s like I had to move on to get anything out of…
12:13:54 AM Casey completes the text
….him. I stand by my decisions and I'm really starting to like Tony. Everything in due time.”
Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview regarding June 1st.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf PG 10 “June 2nd is when Ricardo kind of finds out.. She told me as well on the 2nd.” Amy references the “made out with a boy text and Casey’s response.. me, too!”
Casey while texting with Amy, Amy accidently sends Ric a text that was meant to go to Casey. Casey is back to texting Ric and Tony until 12:59 AM


12:59 to 1:33 AM [B]The texts really start to fly between Ric and Casey. I would assume this is where they are fighting. No texts or calls until 8:26 AM.

June 2nd appears to be a pivotal day... Casey has Caylee all day.
Heavy texting between Casey/Tony and Casey/Ric. Ric finds out that Casey has been with Tony. Tony and Casey had sex the day before. Time for bickering in the AM with her mom.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 02:08 AM
June 3rd
Casey got about 7 hours of sleep. She is at home with her mom and Caylee. She does hang close to home this day.
8:26 AM Casey is texting herself for 23 seconds.
8:49 AM Casey sends last text to Casey Anthony.
8:58 AM She sends Tony the first text of the day. 4 more texts are exchanged. There are gaps of 26, 2, 87 and 48 minutes.. between texts up until 11:40.

During these gaps of time, Casey is probably spending time with her mom and her daughter. She knows she is in hot water and she will need Cindy for the upcoming weekend.

This would be recalled by Cindy in the Audio interview.Cindy’s Aug 1st audio interview:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html
“ Casey was in and out this week. We thought about going to Fort Meyers..but Dad was not doing so well.”
11:40 AM Casey texts Ricardo and Ricardo texts back at 11:45 AM
11:45 PM - 2:00 PM Casey is receiving a lot of Numbered texts.. which indicates Myspace, facepage notifications. These really start to show up since this day. Could be the day she set this service up.
2:00-3:00 PM Casey makes a couple of call to DRF, texts Tony, receives a Yahoo msg, MySpace alert.
3:02-3:34 PM She stops for 32 minutes… leaving time to get prepared to leave.
Casey stays home with mom and Caylee until 4 :52 pm when she pings near AH and Ric’s house. Caylee stays with her Grandma per her Audio interview on August 1st.
4:52 PM Casey texts Tony

Casey pings near Ric and Amy’s also in this vicinity is Colonial Plaza Shopping Center. Casey also is texting Amy, it maybe assumed she is shopping. Houilan’s where Amy works , is located in this plaza.
http://www.weingarten.com/mediabin_import/Property%20Photos/0246%20(Colonial%20Plaza,%20Orlando,%20FL)/Site%20Plans/246-Colonial%20Plaza(03-09-09)--(Get%20Original).pdf
5:03 PM Casey texts Amy
5:05 PM Amy texts Casey
5:06 PM Casey texts Amy
“So I found the perfect place for us to stock up on essentials for really cheap!”
5:06 PM Amy replies to Casey
“Sweet, where? And are you out of town now? I feel like I haven’t see you in forever!”Casey had told Amy early this week she was going out of town.
5:06 PM Casey text to Amy
“I'm still in town. Taking my mom out to dinner. And the place is a huge dollar store on 50 by the boys house. It’s pretty great. You coming out to Jukebox tomorrow night?” It is a possibility they all 3 went shopping together and ate supper together for Cindy's b-day. But you think Cindy would have recalled this in her interveiw.
5:08 PM Amy to Casey
‘Of course. Troy’s bday! I have to close but I’ll be there after.”
Casey is evidently in the area of Ric and Amy’s shopping. She is not at Amy’s and is texting her.
5:09 PM Casey to Amy
“Awesome!”
5:09 PM Amy to Casey
“You are, yes?”
5:17 PM Casey receives some automated text msgs and there is movement from the area.
6:05 PM Casey is now south of Ric and Amy’s on Semoran and near the Anthony home.
6:15 PM Casey pings near north on Semoran Blvd 3 mi N or Anthony Home.
6:26 PM Casey is now pinging near or at the Anthony home
Casey stays home the rest of the evening on June 3rd. She receives a number of automated texts.
7:40 PM Casey texts Ricardo
8:03 PM Tony texts Casey
8:05 PM Casey texts Tony
8:07 PM Tony texts Casey
8:08 PM Casey texts Tony
8:10 PM Tony texts Casey
8:11 PM Casey texts Tony then there is a 64 minute break until 9:15 PM.
Casey is probably getting Caylee to bed.
9:15 PM Casey texts Ric and Tony until
9:26 – 10:34 PM 68 minute break from texting and phone calls… could be on computer chatting?
10:47 PM and at 11:02 PM Casey talked with Tony on the phone
12:40 PM Tony texts Casey
1:06 PM Facebook Alert
June 3rd/4th middle of the night….
1:10 AM Tony calls Casey and they talk for 234 minutes (3.9 hours)
Casey goes to sleep for 6 hours. Casey wakes up at her house

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 02:16 AM
June 4th
7:18 – 7:57 Casey sends and receives texts to herself.
8:07 – 9:16 PM 68 minute break in phone usage.
Caylee has probably awaken and is being fed and clothed.
10:32 AM Casey texts Tony while at home with Caylee and her mom
They continue texting back and forth until
11:03 PM Facebook alert
48 minute break.. Time to feed Caylee and put her down for a nap?

11:51 AM Casey calls Tony and talks for 16 minutes.
12:09 PM- 12:44 PM Casey has a lot of incoming Yahoo messages. 26 minute break

Casey is home with Caylee and her mother (unless Cindy has gone shopping without them…)
1:09 PM Chris Stutz texts Casey
1:10 – 2:39 PM Casey is texting Chris Stutz, receiving Yahoo message and Facebook alerts.
2:42 PM Tony calls Casey 40 minute break this would be about the time Caylee is waking up
3:23 PM Tony calls Casey
3:28 PM Tony calls Casey
3:43 Casey calls the Anthony Home for 1 minute… she is traveling north….
Caylee is staying with Grandma….
Per her Audio interview on Aug 1st. Cindy believes Casey is going to work.3:57 PM Casey pings at or near Tony’s apt until 10:24 PM
4:57 PM Casey texts Amy
“Oh, most definitely.”
5:16 PM Amy texts Casey
“I have my tickets girlie! Yay! Now it’s down to you and Troy.”
5:38 PM Casey texts C Stutz (this is while she is at Tony’s apt)
5:49 PM Casey texts Amy
“Done deal”
5:50 PM Casey sends text to Yahoo msg….
6:03 PM Chris S texts Casey
6:27 PM Casey texts Amy
“So I'm not going to lie.. Tony is pretty incredible. I can’t wait to talk to you tonight!”

June 4th Troy’s party at the Voyage…. Later that night…
Per link provided by: itsnotthenanny Quote:
In photo #13, for example, you can see AH talking to JPC in the background. In photo #70 (second to last) you can see RM leaning against the wall and smoking. http://www.flickr.com/photos/23562670@N07/sets/72157605539805092/show/

Tony Lazarro interview July 22nd with Det. Edwards Pg 18 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
“…that one for Troy’s Birthday…went with Clint and Maria to Voyage on Pine St. She did not stay overnite…Casey had to leave, she said her mother was not allowing her to stay over. He mom had the baby.
Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview June 4th Pg 10
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf
“Casey comes with Tony and a couple friends … …they were there a very short time while I was there."


6:39 PM Amy texts Casey
“Me either. I am closing so I’ll be there when I can be.”
79 minute break…. Time for some bedroom time with Tony?
7:58 PM MySpace msg
7:59 PM Troy Brown calls Casey
8:05 PM Casey calls Troy
8:06 PM Troy calls Casey
47 minutes later….
8:53 PM Casey texts Amy
“Sounds good love!”
9:13 PM Amy and Casey text
“How many ppl are in the cab there? I may try to get a ride so I come back with you all.”
9:22 PM Chris texts Casey 45 minute later
10:06 PM Ric texts Casey
10:07 PM Casey texts Ric
10:13 PM Rick texts Casey
10:24 PM Casey texts Troy… Tony, Clint and Maria have arrived at Voyage….until the ping back at Tony’s at
1:25 AM June 4th/June 5th… middle of the night
1:26 AM Ric calls Casey leaves VM
1:27 AM Ric calls Casey
1:35 AM Casey calls VM
1:35 AM Ric calls Casey
1:48 AM Ric calls Casey
2:04 AM Ric calls Casey
2:25 AM Casey calls VM
2:25 AM Anthony home calls Casey
2:40 AM Anthony home calls Casey
2:58 AM Anthony home calls Casey
3:10 AM Casey calls the Anthony home 1 minute
3:14 AM Casey calls Ric (she is now leaving Tony’s )
3:15 AM Casey calls Tony talks 10 min
3:27 AM Casey calls Ric
3:58 AM Casey texts Troy Brown Casey is now home3:59 AM Casey texts Tony
Casey gets 3 hours of sleep….ZZZZZ


Note the calls from the Anthony home.. probably indicate a very worried Cindy wanting to know when Casey was going to be home and if she was going to be there in the AM to take care of Caylee.

JBean
05-04-2009, 02:21 AM
Ok.. My posts regarding the minute by minute - play by play is getting scattered..

So.. to account for Caylee and Casey from May 24th till June 15th. (only have worked out to the 6th so far)

I am going to repost all of it together over here.. my apologies to all that have read them before.... but they may be easier to reference here.
Is this all in the case calendar? It's good info.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 02:24 AM
June 5th Cindy's Birthday
Casey wakes up at the Anthony home after a long night before. Troy’s actual birthday party… strip club with Amy, Ric and Troy… no Casey.
7:12 AM Tony texts Casey
7:22 AM Tony texts Casey 49 minute break.. Is Caylee awake?
8:11 AM Tony texts Casey. Casey does not respond to his text. 70 minute break (Caylee time?)9:21 AM Rick texts Casey
9:36 AM Casey texts Tony
9:36 – 10:40 AM For the next hour, Casey is keeping both Tony and Ric..texting her…
10:40 AM Casey calls Ric
10:41 AM Casey texts Tony
10:42 AM Tony calls Casey and talks for 19 minutes.. 69 minute break..
Casey is probably showering and getting ready for “work” and leaving while Cindy watches Caylee for the day. Cindy watched Caylee this week.
11:44 – 11:50 AM Casey calls Tony while she is near Ricardo’s apt. Casey is also texting Ric which would mean he is at work. He stated in his interview that he works from 11 AM to 8 PM.58 minutes go by with no phone activity. She is near the Amscot… Tony is not in class this week.
June 5th around noon.. Casey is on her way to Tony’s
12:49 PM Casey gets a VM message while she is pinging at or near Tony’s
1:02 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg.
1:28 PM Casey calls Casey
1:30 PM Casey calls her mom’s cell phone
1:30 PM Casey calls her mom’s cell again
1:31 PM Casey calls the Anthony Home
1:36 PM Casey calls Casey again and then a VM Message cleared happens
1:43 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg while at Tony’s
91 minute break.. time for some nooky with Tony???
3:15 PM VM message waiting
3:32 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 1 minute pings near FUSION
3:51 PM Anthony home is calling Casey
3:52 PM Casey calls Anthony home and talks 4 minute pings near Fusion and Waterford Ale
3:54 PM DRF dealership calls Casey (ric or annie)
98 minute break..
5:31 PM Casey checks VM
5:55 PM Casey gets a call from DRF (ric or annie)
5:56- 6:02 PM VM message, Yahoo message
6:18 PM Casey calls VM… Casey is back near Tony’s Apt.
6:55 PM Anthony home calls Casey 2 minute call6:59 PM Ric calls Casey she lets it go to VM
7:15 PM Ric texts Casey
7:15 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 5 minutes
7:21 PM Casey calls Ric (she is at Tony’s apt)
7:25 PM Jesse G calls Casey and talks for 13 minutes
7:45 PM Casey texts Ric Casey is pinging at home

This is prolly when Casey "celebrated" her mothers bday with her....

Another text fest between Casey/Ric and Casey/Tony goes on until 9:33 when she takes a 12 minute break. Grandma must be taken care of Caylee’s bedtime. Cindy mentioned she likes to rock Caylee to sleep at night in her Aug 1 interveiw.
Texting continues between Ric and Casey very heavily…
10:58 PM Tony calls Casey and they talk for 32 minute
Casey texts with Rick and Tony until 1:32 PM she gets in 1 text with Jesse Grund texting Casey
1:32 AM Casey goes to sleep 5.5 hours and wakes up at 6:52 on June 6th when her cell show activity
Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf PG 10
“…probably hanging out with Tony. Hadn’t seen Caylee this week.”

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 02:30 AM
I will finish added June 6th and 7th over the next day or two. Most of this info is in the case calendar however the calendar is more.. day to day activity and does show minute- hour play by play.

Though this would read more like in "story format" and give a smoother transition from day to day. Kinda brings it all together.

We started this as a way to pinpoint fight times and to pick up a pattern in the Cindy/Casey fight thread. I will link that to this location.

I will say this.. I have noticed that Casey spent more time at home and around the home the first part of June than I initially thought last fall. Typing this up as shown me patterns of her movement and had dispelled some misconceptions.

AZlawyer
05-04-2009, 04:15 PM
Thanks, IBY! I posted the following in another thread, but perhaps it belongs here also...

I find the Thursday, June 12 chat logs between KC and Tony very interesting.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4770482/...ry-with-L7Tone
KC is saying she is going to come over around 1:30 pm to see Tony (after her "meeting" for "work"), and will see if she can leave Caylee with the "nanny" (I guess she means leave her with the nanny a little longer since presumably Caylee was already with the "nanny" while KC was at "work.")

So...back in Reality Land, KC is, of course, still at the Anthony house or close by while she is sending these messages to Tony. Cindy should be at work--vacation ended June 9--and I think George would have been going in to work at 3:00. No big deal if KC is home while George is there--she may be telling Tony she is at work til 1:30, but she could be telling George she is going in to work at 1:30.

All of this would be fine if KC ended up going to Tony's at 1:30 pm with Caylee in tow, saying, darn it, I couldn't get my nanny to watch her. BUT, IIRC, Tony says the last time he saw Caylee was when they were hanging up promo posters at the mall...which the pings clearly show was Wednesday June 11.

KC's pings show she really did go to Tony's at 1:30 pm, and didn't return to the house until after 6:00 pm. If she showed up at Tony's with no Caylee that day, which seems to have been the case unless Tony has completely misremembered the last time he saw Caylee (no reason for him to lie about June 12 as we know Caylee was in good health as of June 15), where did she leave Caylee? The pings show no apparent stops to drop her off anywhere on the way up to Tony's, and no apparent stops to pick her up on the way back. She couldn't have left Caylee at the house with George there--he would have had to go to work soon. She couldn't have left Caylee at Gentiva with Cindy for the entire afternoon--coworkers only described short end-of-the-day visits from Caylee. She couldn't have left her in the trunk at midday in June, or there's no way Caylee would have been alive for the June 15 visit to the nursing home.

Someone please tell me what I'm missing here....:waitasec:

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 05:08 PM
Thanks, IBY! I posted the following in another thread, but perhaps it belongs here also...

I find the Thursday, June 12 chat logs between KC and Tony very interesting.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4770482/...ry-with-L7Tone
KC is saying she is going to come over around 1:30 pm to see Tony (after her "meeting" for "work"), and will see if she can leave Caylee with the "nanny" (I guess she means leave her with the nanny a little longer since presumably Caylee was already with the "nanny" while KC was at "work.")

So...back in Reality Land, KC is, of course, still at the Anthony house or close by while she is sending these messages to Tony. Cindy should be at work--vacation ended June 9--and I think George would have been going in to work at 3:00. No big deal if KC is home while George is there--she may be telling Tony she is at work til 1:30, but she could be telling George she is going in to work at 1:30.

All of this would be fine if KC ended up going to Tony's at 1:30 pm with Caylee in tow, saying, darn it, I couldn't get my nanny to watch her. BUT, IIRC, Tony says the last time he saw Caylee was when they were hanging up promo posters at the mall...which the pings clearly show was Wednesday June 11.

KC's pings show she really did go to Tony's at 1:30 pm, and didn't return to the house until after 6:00 pm. If she showed up at Tony's with no Caylee that day, which seems to have been the case unless Tony has completely misremembered the last time he saw Caylee (no reason for him to lie about June 12 as we know Caylee was in good health as of June 15), where did she leave Caylee? The pings show no apparent stops to drop her off anywhere on the way up to Tony's, and no apparent stops to pick her up on the way back. She couldn't have left Caylee at the house with George there--he would have had to go to work soon. She couldn't have left Caylee at Gentiva with Cindy for the entire afternoon--coworkers only described short end-of-the-day visits from Caylee. She couldn't have left her in the trunk at midday in June, or there's no way Caylee would have been alive for the June 15 visit to the nursing home.

Someone please tell me what I'm missing here....:waitasec:


Your not missing anything. I have caught the same thing when since we have gotten so granular. I am working on this day by day.. and hopefully it will iron itself out.

However, I will have to listen to Tone's audio interview again. I truly think Caylee was with them he kinda runs together his memory of June 11th and June 12th. There was something in that interview that made me think Caylee was actually there with Casey and Tony L. in the beginning, he may have just wanted to minimize the amount of time he said he saw Caylee or he is just a typical guy and don't remember all the details.....

Then we have the Kristen who said the went for a walk in the park with Casey and Caylee one of those days. She might have meant she actually watched Caylee but did not want to get involved so minimized her contact. Really need to track where she lives in reference to the ping map. She may have watched Caylee more than she wants to admit. After all, I think she is the only one I heard that actually got really upset about Caylee missing....(jail house phone call)

What day did M Hawkins mom see Casey at Target with Caylee? June 12th?
This and the 13th are worth sleuthing out. Also I am trying to rule out that she may have left Caylee with JG or any appearance of. Sure hope it does not appear otherwise.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 05:27 PM
Friday, June 6th Amy totals her car in the early morning hours… Casey and Caylee wake up the Anthony house.. Casey starts texting Tony at 6:53 AM.

Ping map by Georgia PI (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3024521&postcount=1)

Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview regarding June 1st.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf PG 11
“ Casey tells Amy on the 7th that her boss sent her to Fusion to check on his daughter the night of the 6th.. then she went back to work..”
6:53 AM Casey replies to Tony’s first text of the day.
6:57 AM to 7:05 Casey and Tony share texts
144 minute break… Casey is either catching more sleep or she is caring for Caylee and her mom is home...
9:29 AM Casey calls Ryan Pasley for 1 minute
62 minutes later… Casey is probably interacting with Caylee or her mom…..
10:31 PM Casey calls Ric and talks for 30 minutes He was making plans to cook supper that night and she said she would be over… knowing that she would be at the hiphop showcase with Tony. She told her mother she would be working.

Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 8
“ .. we planned to have dinner. Ric was cooking Friday nite. She told him she would be over. She told Amy she was coming too. Eventually it got later and later, she said later she was going to be at work the whole night. Ric saw the pictures on line of her at Fusion from Friday night. She lied to him state that her boss sent her there to spy on his daughter.”
8 minutes after her call with Ric… she texts Tony…
11:09 PM Casey texts Tony
11:10 PM Tony texts Casey
11:12 PM Tony calls Casey
11:26 PM Casey texts Tony
50 minute break She probably feeding Caylee, eating and putting Caylee down for a nap. Shower?
12:16 -12:31 Casey receives several Yahoo messages. This could indicate computer usage.
41 minute break
1:12 PM Casey calls DRF and talks for 20 minutes. She is probably talking to Ric or Annie
1:26 PM Tony calls Casey and talks to her for 3 minutes
1:33 PM Tony texts Casey
1:33 PM Tony texts Casey again
1:33 PM Casey replies to Tony’s text
1:35 – 1:42 Casey receives Yahoo messages
1:42 PM Casey Calls her Mom’s cell phone… This could indicate that Cindy is out of the house and Casey is home with Caylee. She does not connect with Cindy.
1:42, 1:43, 1:44 Casey receives 3 Yahoo messages.
26 minute break in cell activity
2:17 Casey gets and receives another Yahoo text msg
28 minute break in cell activity

June 6th Afternoon - Casey is at her parent’s house. She is texting through Yahoo. She calls her mom twice, connects once and talks for 3 minutes. It could be assumed she is at home while Caylee naps. Mom is out shopping.
2:45 PM Casey calls Cindy’s cell phone and talks for 3 minutes
2:47 PM Tony texts Casey
2:48 PM Casey calls Tony 1 minutes
2:50 PM Casey gets at Telemarketer call?
11 minute break…
3:01 PM Casey gets a Face book alert
17 minute break… Caylee may have woken up here?
3:18 PM Incoming VM text
47 minutes break… Cindy could have returned from the store. She thinks Casey has to go into work and is there in time to watch Caylee… shower? Getting ready to go?
4:05 PM – 4:39 PM up until she leaves she revices numerous Yahoo messages on her her phone.
4:40 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg while she pings at Tony’s apt.
4:47 PM Casey gets a MySpace alert
5:19 PM Amy send Casey a text
“You have a consered guy in here. Love you many hugs.”29 minute of no cell activity
6:03 PM Tony R. “the cop” texts Casey while she is at Tony L’s apt
6:14 PM Casey gets a Facebook alert
90 minute break in cell activity… nooky time again?
7:43 PM Ric calls Casey, goes to VM, VM text received
7:56 PM Ric texts Casey again
8:04 PM Casey texts Ric back
8:05 PM Ric texts Casey
8:09 PM Casey texts Ric…..
Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 8
“ .. we planned to have dinner. He (Ric) was cooking Friday nite. She told him she would be over. She told Amy she was coming too. Eventually it got later and later, she said later she was going to be at work the whole night.

8:54 PM Casey calls Ryan P with no connection tries again in 13 secs
8:57 PM Ric calls Casey, VM text msg arrives, Casey calls VM
8:59 PM Facebook alert Casey arrives at FUSION with Tony
8:59 PM Ric texts Casey
9:02 PM Casey texts Ric
9:03 PM Ric texts Casey
9:04 PM Casey texts Ric
June 6th… 9 PM at night… Casey is at Fusion with Tony. Ric is waiting for her to come over and eat supper that he cooked. Caylee is with her Grandma who thinks mom Casey is working.
9:09 PM Amy texts Casey
“Got a shift.”
9:09 PM Casey texts Amy back
9:19 PM Casey texts Tony while they are at Fusion together
9:26 PM Casey texts Troy
9:28 PM Troy texts Casey
9:38 PM Casey texts Troy
9:44 PM Casey texts Amy
“What time do you get off tonight?”
9:46 PM Amy texts Casey
“Hopefully a little after 10.”
9:48 PM Casey texts Amy she lies that she came into work… she is actually at FUSION with Tony
“I came into work. Huge mistake. I tried to help setup for an event and got roped into staying a few hours.”
9:49 PM Amy texts Casey
“Good thing I worked then! When are you done?” (note that Casey DOES NOT RESPOND to her question ever. She is at Fusion partying and really is not planning to meet with her, Ric and Troy at Voyage)
9:51 PM Casey texts Clint while they are at Fusion
9:51 PM Troy texts Casey
10:42 PM Ric texts Casey
10:44 PM Amy texts Casey
“Done now”
10:53 PM Amy texts Casey
“I think I’m just going to head downtown. Lemme know when you get out.”
10:53 PM Anthony home calls Casey, leaves VM and Casey calls VM
10:53 PM Amy texts Casey
10:54 PM Voicemail waiting text
10:54 PM Casey calls Casey vm , VM Cleared
10:55 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 2 minutes…
11:19 PM Ricardo calls Casey
11:19 PM Casey calls VM
11: 27 PM Ric texts Casey

June 6th/7th middle of the night….

12:24 AM Casey texts Tony while at FUSION
12:35:13 AM Ricardo calls Casey, leaves VM
12:35 AM Casey calls VM
12:35:45 AM Ricardo calls Casey
12:36 AM Amy texts Casey
“I heart you”
12:36 AM Ricardo texts Casey
12:37 AM Casey texts Ricardo
12:39 AM Ric texts Casey
12:42 AM Casey texts Ric
12:44 AM Ric texts Casey
This is the last text for 102 minutes… Party must be going good at both places. Ric and Amy have resigned themselves to the fact “Casey is working late and will not be there.” Casey is actually at FUSION with Tony.
2:26 AM Casey calls Ric
Casey is now headed back to Tony’s apt… Once she arrives there is NO cell activity for over an 1.5 hours. Time for some hooking up?
3:39 AM Anthony home calls Casey3:39 AM Voicemail notification
3:39 AM Casey calls the Anthony Home3:42 AM Anthony home calls Casey
3:45 AM Anthony home calls Casey
4:25 AM Casey checks her VM
4:26 AM Casey texts Tony
Appears to be a good bye text as she leaves the apt complex
4:27 AM Tony texts Casey
4:28 AM Casey calls Jesse Grund – no connection
4:29 AM Casey calls Jesse Grund – no connection
Casey is driving home from Tony’s
4:30 AM Casey calls Ric for 13 minutes and gives him the “I’m sorry I had to work, sweetie.. I know, hun”


Casey arrives near her or at her home....

AZlawyer
05-04-2009, 05:44 PM
What day did M Hawkins mom see Casey at Target with Caylee? June 12th?
This and the 13th are worth sleuthing out. Also I am trying to rule out that she may have left Caylee with JG or any appearance of. Sure hope it does not appear otherwise.

The target sighting was long after Caylee's death--July 10 I think.

ibyoungr
05-04-2009, 05:57 PM
NOTE!!!

While typing out the timeline.. I DID NOT TAKE IN ACCOUNT...

GEORGE....

He did not go into work until 3 PM... probably not leaving before 2 -2:30....

He would have been there the morning of a proposed fight on June 2nd. He would have been there for most of the day on Cindy's bday?

Chiquita71
05-05-2009, 10:02 AM
I'm sorry I am not following you, unless you mean my post doesn't belong in the "Accountability of Caylee" thread. I am new here and as yet still trying to find my way around, I was replying to post number 3 in this thread, I did a search to try to find a discussion thread on that transcript of Cindy and had no luck, so posted it here because I thought it helped answer post 3.
I know that Caylee was dead on July 3rd, but due to having just found out the reason why Casey told her friends if her mother phones to not tell her where she is (or words similar). From reading that comment about the 3rd from Cindy, I took it to mean she had been in touch with Casey and told her she was coming to see her.


Oh, no! Not at all! I was using your post because I loved what you were saying and where you were going. If anything, I kind of ripped off your post!:blowkiss:

I am new here too and I am just jumping in too...sorry I was unclear-I am just agreeing with the idea of "accountability of Caylee" for what I think I understand that means...

I do understand the poster that pointed out to me that during the "Jacksonville" trip Caylee would not have been with us-this case does mazes to my mind and I know any confusion I have on this site is my own.:waitasec:


I love this site. I thank you all for being here. And sorry again to Sophiered-I am a dork.:crazy:


...jmo....

Sophiered
05-05-2009, 11:04 AM
Oh, no! Not at all! I was using your post because I loved what you were saying and where you were going. If anything, I kind of ripped off your post!:blowkiss:

I new here too and I am just jumping in too...sorry I was unclear-I am just agreeing with the idea of "accountability of Caylee" for what I think I understand that means...

I do understand the poster that pointed out to me that during the "Jacksonville" trip Caylee would not have been with us-this case does mazes to my mind and I know any confusion I have on this site is my own.:waitasec:


I love this site. I thank you all for being here. And sorry again to Sophiered-I am a dork.:crazy:


...jmo....

Casey has turned my brain into scrambled eggs, and I don't even like eggs :(
Btw, your not a dork, and thank you for clearing that up. I am a bit nervous of posting in the wrong threads.. I have been a member of forums for many years, some have been strict, but nothing as strict with where you post as WS is. I think it makes it even harder to adjust to a new forum when your set in your ways like I am. I will learn in time, providing my scrambled eggs don't curdle.

Sophiered
05-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Thanks, IBY! I posted the following in another thread, but perhaps it belongs here also...

I find the Thursday, June 12 chat logs between KC and Tony very interesting.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4770482/...ry-with-L7Tone
KC is saying she is going to come over around 1:30 pm to see Tony (after her "meeting" for "work"), and will see if she can leave Caylee with the "nanny" (I guess she means leave her with the nanny a little longer since presumably Caylee was already with the "nanny" while KC was at "work.")

So...back in Reality Land, KC is, of course, still at the Anthony house or close by while she is sending these messages to Tony. Cindy should be at work--vacation ended June 9--and I think George would have been going in to work at 3:00. No big deal if KC is home while George is there--she may be telling Tony she is at work til 1:30, but she could be telling George she is going in to work at 1:30.

All of this would be fine if KC ended up going to Tony's at 1:30 pm with Caylee in tow, saying, darn it, I couldn't get my nanny to watch her. BUT, IIRC, Tony says the last time he saw Caylee was when they were hanging up promo posters at the mall...which the pings clearly show was Wednesday June 11.

KC's pings show she really did go to Tony's at 1:30 pm, and didn't return to the house until after 6:00 pm. If she showed up at Tony's with no Caylee that day, which seems to have been the case unless Tony has completely misremembered the last time he saw Caylee (no reason for him to lie about June 12 as we know Caylee was in good health as of June 15), where did she leave Caylee? The pings show no apparent stops to drop her off anywhere on the way up to Tony's, and no apparent stops to pick her up on the way back. She couldn't have left Caylee at the house with George there--he would have had to go to work soon. She couldn't have left Caylee at Gentiva with Cindy for the entire afternoon--coworkers only described short end-of-the-day visits from Caylee. She couldn't have left her in the trunk at midday in June, or there's no way Caylee would have been alive for the June 15 visit to the nursing home.

Someone please tell me what I'm missing here....:waitasec:

What time is Cindy home from work? Could Casey have ever left Caylee at home alone? I don't meant that day, but other days. I used to think she might set her up with toys and books, at the place her body was found. I mean telling her she will be back soon, and to not move from there.. Problem is that insects or snakes could have bitten her.

nyvictoria
05-05-2009, 11:59 AM
What time is Cindy home from work? Could Casey have ever left Caylee at home alone? I don't meant that day, but other days. I used to think she might set her up with toys and books, at the place her body was found. I mean telling her she will be back soon, and to not move from there.. Problem is that insects or snakes could have bitten her.

I doubt she ever left her in the wood alone but I wouldn't be surprised if she left Caylee unsupervised somewhere. The problem with Casey leaving Caylee alone at Hopespring is we really don't know if George was working steadily. It would have been too risky for her to leave Caylee when George could pop in at any time and find her. Lee's house is another story altogether. I don't doubt for a second she had access to his house (key or no key) and may have dumped Caylee there for short periods of time. But, it does seem as though Casey was not above to dragging Caylee all over town with her at all hours of the day and night.

So, to summarize my ramblings above, I doubt she left her alone in the woods or at Hopespring but I don't think Lee's house is out of the question. And, of course the old stand-by, the trunk :eek:

ibyoungr
05-05-2009, 03:04 PM
What time is Cindy home from work? Could Casey have ever left Caylee at home alone? I don't meant that day, but other days. I used to think she might set her up with toys and books, at the place her body was found. I mean telling her she will be back soon, and to not move from there.. Problem is that insects or snakes could have bitten her.

You might read through this... it is a almost minute to minute - hour to hour accounting of Casey and Caylee from May 23 to June 6th. First, clear your mind and read it like a story. Do not think about everything else you have read. You will be surprised to know that Caylee during this period was mostly in the Anthony household. CLICK HERE (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3694312&postcount=605)

May 24, 25th and 26th are holidays. Cindy is home. Casey out partying. Cindy thinks Casey is working.

May 30th and 31st. Friday night... Cindy is home. George is off those days.

June 1st - 7th- Cindy is home on vacation and George workday starts at 3 PM.

above bolded by me...
We find no time at this point where Casey left Caylee in the woods alone, stuffed and drugged in a trunk or was she left with a nanny. Caylee was either with Casey, Cindy and on the weekends George was around too....

ibyoungr
05-05-2009, 03:07 PM
I doubt she ever left her in the wood alone but I wouldn't be surprised if she left Caylee unsupervised somewhere. The problem with Casey leaving Caylee alone at Hopespring is we really don't know if George was working steadily. It would have been too risky for her to leave Caylee when George could pop in at any time and find her. Lee's house is another story altogether. I don't doubt for a second she had access to his house (key or no key) and may have dumped Caylee there for short periods of time. But, it does seem as though Casey was not above to dragging Caylee all over town with her at all hours of the day and night.

So, to summarize my ramblings above, I doubt she left her alone in the woods or at Hopespring but I don't think Lee's house is out of the question. And, of course the old stand-by, the trunk :eek:


Lee had 2 roommates that were interviewed. They do not have Caylee being left there alone. They lived in the house while he was away. I believe Lee was home during the first week of June which I have outlined above. He was in town for Memorial Day for the family BBQ.

WolfmarsGirl
05-08-2009, 05:50 PM
Thanks!

Caylee was with Cindy or Casey. Casey during the day and Cindy at night.
She is accounted for.
She was not stuffed in a trunk during parties.


I don't know if she was locked in the trunk during parties, but I certainly think she was locked in during regular daily activities that involved KC spending time with Tony. Also, when her parents/friends thought she was with the nanny and Cindy wasn't watching her, I think she might have been in the trunk.

However, I think KC only did this once or twice before it killed Caylee. KC was scared to lock the child up because she knew it was dangerous (and she might get in trouble with CA if something happened).

When she pulled it off a couple of times without too much of a hitch, I think she became overly-confident in her "nanny." That is when the duct tape was used and Caylee died.

So, Caylee may have gone from the A's house straight to the trunk on 6/16. Where was KC heading that day? (Sorry, I have not studied the pings enough to know on my own...)

I think someone mentioned she went to Tony's house but didn't stay there. Maybe he wasn't home? She knew he didn't want Caylee around, so she learned to make other arrangements.

ibyoungr
05-09-2009, 10:30 AM
I don't know if she was locked in the trunk during parties, but I certainly think she was locked in during regular daily activities that involved KC spending time with Tony. Also, when her parents/friends thought she was with the nanny and Cindy wasn't watching her, I think she might have been in the trunk.

However, I think KC only did this once or twice before it killed Caylee. KC was scared to lock the child up because she knew it was dangerous (and she might get in trouble with CA if something happened).

When she pulled it off a couple of times without too much of a hitch, I think she became overly-confident in her "nanny." That is when the duct tape was used and Caylee died.

So, Caylee may have gone from the A's house straight to the trunk on 6/16. Where was KC heading that day? (Sorry, I have not studied the pings enough to know on my own...)

I think someone mentioned she went to Tony's house but didn't stay there. Maybe he wasn't home? She knew he didn't want Caylee around, so she learned to make other arrangements.

I have studied the texts, interviews and pings and can say that when Caylee was not with Cindy... she was with Casey and her friends testified to that. Bolded above by me, keep in mind we are talking 22 days from the time she met Tony to the time that Caylee was last seen. During that time, we can account that Caylee was with Casey each time June 2nd, June 9th,11th, 12th and 13th. We are a little sketchy on the 12th and 13th but Clint House, Tony's roommate states Caylee was with Casey at the apt.
You state that Casey could have kept her in the car during the day while she was with Tony. Caylee in the Florida heat would have died the first time Casey tried that stunt.

In the minute by minute - hour by hour play by plays that I am diligently working on, I have come to this conclusion:

Between June 16th and July 15th, Casey told everyone that Caylee was with a nanny that does not exist. Caylee was not with Cindy. Where is Caylee? With all of Casey's activity it is easy to confuse times, dates, what she did when... so it is easy to get confused as to where Caylee was.

Caylee was gone. Caylee was thrown out like trash.

The 2 weeks prior is but a snapshot of time and we do have some glimpses of her life the 2 years prior. Neighbors report Cindy always caring for the Caylee, seeing her push her around in the stroller, Amy H states that Caylee was usually with Cindy at night. The whole baby is with the nanny story only got "ramped up" after Caylee was gone and for 2.6 days we know she was dead in the trunk.

Can you find some links and use the timeline to show me specfically what dates/times Caylee was in the trunk one or two times?

Woe.be.gone
05-09-2009, 04:34 PM
Last 911 call (2nd call from the house) on July 15,2008. Can be read/listened to in the Official Docs. thread, Pg. 6, Post #134.


CA - I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her, her mother finally admitted that she's been missing.

CA - ... And my daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her.

CA - That the babysitter took her a month ago. The daugh... my daughter's been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today but I can't find my granddaughter. And she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself.

OP - How long has she been missing for?

CA - I HAVE NOT SEEN HER SINCE THE 7th OF JUNE.


Then KC speaks -

CMA - My daughters been missing for the last thirty-one days.

OP - And you last saw her a month ago?

CMA - Thirty-one days. It's been thirty-one days.


When you count back a month from July 15 you arrive at the date June 15.
Four weeks = June 17.

If you count forward a month from June 7 you arrive at July 7.
Four weeks = July 5.

CA's account leaves one week and two days unaccounted for.

WHY WOULD CA NOT ACCOUNT FOR THIS WEEK? We know there is evidence to the contrary.

KC tells the operator that she has not seen Caylee for 31 days. When counting back 31 days from July 15 you arrive at the date June 14.

Why is there a broad discrepancy here?

All the people who say that KC was the one who first said the date of June 8, please provide the reference for that prior to CA's 911 call. I know that KC wrote the date of June 9 on her testimony. But she was not the one who put the date out there. So now we go from June 7 to June 9 just because it fits with "On Monday I dropped . . . .".:confused:

I'm desparate for a believable explanation regarding CA's discrepancy. I don't care how CA's voice sounded, etc. Why did she put out a false date in the first place? CA was clearly the person in charge during the 911 call. Read, better yet, go back and listen to the certainty in her voice when she states the date "June 7" as the last day she saw Caylee. If there wasn't any evidence to the contrary, I'd have no reason to doubt her. Except CA keeps throwing around "a month". Did CA ever learn the calendar, ever learn to count? If she did, she forgot.

CA DOES NOT STATE THAT SHE 'THINKS' THE LAST TIME WAS .....

Woe.be.gone
05-09-2009, 04:38 PM
I wish the above info could be posted on the June 7 date and the June 15 date as well.

I do not think it was an honest mistake on CA's part. My feeling is that it was a contrived date.

Now if we could only figure out the reason why.

SuziQ
05-09-2009, 04:51 PM
I think we could drive ourselves nuts by overthinking things. JMO, IMO, etc etc

Woe.be.gone
05-09-2009, 05:19 PM
I think we could drive ourselves nuts by overthinking things. JMO, IMO, etc etc

Trust me, I'm on the verge. It's important because CA set the tone for the confusion over the timeline to begin with. CA has and continues to confuse things. It bothers me and keeps me wondering about her and if she had/has a specific M.O. for deflecting from the actual weekend that Caylee was last seen.

Just as it's hard for most people to believe that a mother could/does harm her child, it's equally hard to consider a grandmother could have been involved in some way. It is not impossible though and CA has acted in a way to bring suspicion her own way imo.

I'm not overthinking it. I want to know why CA confidently stated the wrong "last saw Caylee" date. When I ask a question, I would like to be able to understand the answer or I haven't learned anything. (which is why I needed a tutor in mathmatics throughout college - ha!)

SusiQ, I just noticed the words under your name. What gives?

WolfmarsGirl
05-10-2009, 07:50 PM
...Caylee in the Florida heat would have died the first time Casey tried that stunt...

snipped and bold by me

Then, perhaps, this was the first time...

Although I tend to think she put the baby in the trunk the night Cindy supposedly 'called' for Cayle to be brought home. I think KC was with Ricardo that night.

So, maybe it was the 2nd time she did it...

WolfmarsGirl
05-10-2009, 08:03 PM
I have studied the texts, interviews and pings and can say that when Caylee was not with Cindy... she was with Casey and her friends testified to that...

- snipped -

Thank you for doing the footwork.:)

However, I don't think we can account for every minute of KC and Caylee's actions over the last month (or more) of Caylee's life. It would be impossible to know if KC locked Caylee in the trunk for 15 minutes here and there.

If we knew about all of her time, then we could and should fill in the missing details for the state of Florida because I don't think they can do that at this point. We can come close, but we can't be sure.

...Can you find some links and use the timeline to show me specfically what dates/times Caylee was in the trunk one or two times?...

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No, sorry I can't. I don't have the kind of brain that would allow me to do detective work like that, lol. I have 'mommy brain' most of the time, so no patience either.

But, I still contend there might have been brief occasions here or there where KC needed a quick, reliable nanny.

We can't be sure, but it seems likely to me.

leemarie85
05-10-2009, 11:17 PM
I wish the above info could be posted on the June 7 date and the June 15 date as well.

I do not think it was an honest mistake on CA's part. My feeling is that it was a contrived date.

Now if we could only figure out the reason why.

Perhaps Casey and Caylee were gone a lot during the week of 6/7 thru 6/14, and Cindy had forgotten about the visit on 6/15 to Mt. Dora? IIRC, JG had said in his interview with LE re: alleged CA/KC fight that CA was angry because KC and Caylee had been gone and not coming around. I believe that at some point on 6/15, CA asked Caylee some ?s about what she and KC had been doing that week, and didn't like what she found out. I'm confusing myself now, LOL, and need to go back to pings for the week of 6/7 thru 6/14:bang:

Spangle
05-10-2009, 11:56 PM
- snipped -

Thank you for doing the footwork.:)

However, I don't think we can account for every minute of KC and Caylee's actions over the last month (or more) of Caylee's life. It would be impossible to know if KC locked Caylee in the trunk for 15 minutes here and there.

If we knew about all of her time, then we could and should fill in the missing details for the state of Florida because I don't think they can do that at this point. We can come close, but we can't be sure.



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No, sorry I can't. I don't have the kind of brain that would allow me to do detective work like that, lol. I have 'mommy brain' most of the time, so no patience either.

But, I still contend there might have been brief occasions here or there where KC needed a quick, reliable nanny.

We can't be sure, but it seems likely to me.

If she locked her in the trunk for 15 minutes here or there, Caylee would be afraid of the car. She would have issues with her Mother.

Also, I don't think you understand. Not even 15 minutes can a person be left in the car with the windows up, much less the trunk. We are talking June, that would be hot, hot, hot, before she even got in.

WE hear reports down here of babies dying that way. Kids left in the car and the parents forgot they where there. Kids left on childcare transportation that have died. We are reminded again and again not to leave children/pets in autos during the summer. Not even for 5 minutes. They show how quick it gets hot enough to start cooking the brain.

And that is leaving the kid/pet in the part that has a/c.. that would be 'cool' when left. A trunk isn't cooled by the a/c. IT would be hot from the get go.

If this is what she did, then she wouldn't have any excuse for 'not knowing' of the dangers. Most folks wouldn't consider it an accident. But equal to poison.

This would never be a 'quick reliable Nanny' solution.

WolfmarsGirl
05-11-2009, 10:05 AM
If she locked her in the trunk for 15 minutes here or there, Caylee would be afraid of the car...

...This would never be a 'quick reliable Nanny' solution.

- snipped -

Unless, she only did it once.

Don't get me wrong, I think KC is evil. Period. No one wants to see her hang more than I do. Believe me on that one.

But, I think she is so stupid she thought she had come up with a way to get rid of Caylee for a while without really finding a babysitter.

ibyoungr
05-11-2009, 11:40 AM
If she locked her in the trunk for 15 minutes here or there, Caylee would be afraid of the car. She would have issues with her Mother.

Also, I don't think you understand. Not even 15 minutes can a person be left in the car with the windows up, much less the trunk. We are talking June, that would be hot, hot, hot, before she even got in.

WE hear reports down here of babies dying that way. Kids left in the car and the parents forgot they where there. Kids left on childcare transportation that have died. We are reminded again and again not to leave children/pets in autos during the summer. Not even for 5 minutes. They show how quick it gets hot enough to start cooking the brain.

And that is leaving the kid/pet in the part that has a/c.. that would be 'cool' when left. A trunk isn't cooled by the a/c. IT would be hot from the get go.

If this is what she did, then she wouldn't have any excuse for 'not knowing' of the dangers. Most folks wouldn't consider it an accident. But equal to poison.

This would never be a 'quick reliable Nanny' solution.

ITA...With the computer forensics, pings etc.. I will stick to my thought that Caylee died in the home and was put in the trunk the first time after she died.
Caylee did not have shoes on which would tell me that she did not leave that house alive.
Casey did not need that trunk as a babysitter. Cindy was available and watching Caylee.

As far as the Ricardo night goes... that did not happen in May of 2008. He stated in his interview... that it was "while they were still dating," which would have been before Mid-April. My ping summaries address this.

WolfmarsGirl
05-11-2009, 04:41 PM
ITA...With the computer forensics, pings etc.. I will stick to my thought that Caylee died in the home and was put in the trunk the first time after she died.
Caylee did not have shoes on which would tell me that she did not leave that house alive.
Casey did not need that trunk as a babysitter. Cindy was available and watching Caylee.

As far as the Ricardo night goes... that did not happen in May of 2008. He stated in his interview... that it was "while they were still dating," which would have been before Mid-April. My ping summaries address this.


But, here is what bothers me: Why would she make up having a nanny at all if she didn't need to make excuses to someone (anyone) about the true location of Caylee? I am talking about before Caylee went missing, not after.

Also, why the duct tape? If she was not trying to keep her quiet somewhere, then why tape her mouth?

Also, could you please post a link to your ping summary? I would like to get a good grip on where she was and when...I just get sooo confused when I try to piece it all together on my own. (I told you - mommy brain, lol.) Thanks bunches :)

Sooner Fan#1
05-11-2009, 05:44 PM
Last 911 call (2nd call from the house) on July 15,2008. Can be read/listened to in the Official Docs. thread, Pg. 6, Post #134.


CA - I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her, her mother finally admitted that she's been missing.

CA - ... And my daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her.

CA - That the babysitter took her a month ago. The daugh... my daughter's been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today but I can't find my granddaughter. And she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself.

OP - How long has she been missing for?

CA - I HAVE NOT SEEN HER SINCE THE 7th OF JUNE.


Then KC speaks -

CMA - My daughters been missing for the last thirty-one days.

OP - And you last saw her a month ago?

CMA - Thirty-one days. It's been thirty-one days.


When you count back a month from July 15 you arrive at the date June 15.
Four weeks = June 17.

If you count forward a month from June 7 you arrive at July 7.
Four weeks = July 5.

CA's account leaves one week and two days unaccounted for.

WHY WOULD CA NOT ACCOUNT FOR THIS WEEK? We know there is evidence to the contrary.

KC tells the operator that she has not seen Caylee for 31 days. When counting back 31 days from July 15 you arrive at the date June 14.

Why is there a broad discrepancy here?

All the people who say that KC was the one who first said the date of June 8, please provide the reference for that prior to CA's 911 call. I know that KC wrote the date of June 9 on her testimony. But she was not the one who put the date out there. So now we go from June 7 to June 9 just because it fits with "On Monday I dropped . . . .".:confused:

I'm desparate for a believable explanation regarding CA's discrepancy. I don't care how CA's voice sounded, etc. Why did she put out a false date in the first place? CA was clearly the person in charge during the 911 call. Read, better yet, go back and listen to the certainty in her voice when she states the date "June 7" as the last day she saw Caylee. If there wasn't any evidence to the contrary, I'd have no reason to doubt her. Except CA keeps throwing around "a month". Did CA ever learn the calendar, ever learn to count? If she did, she forgot.

CA DOES NOT STATE THAT SHE 'THINKS' THE LAST TIME WAS .....

Woe. I admire the work you all have done on this thread. The only thing I can add is that SP said she was the first one that got the dates mixed up and first mentioned the 8th. I do not know if she relayed that info to Cindy or not. Her interview can be read here. http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/06%20Shirley%20Plesea%20Transcript.pdf

I hope that helps, although I did not mind at all re-reading her interview, I love that woman. lol

Woe.be.gone
05-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Woe. I admire the work you all have done on this thread. The only thing I can add is that SP said she was the first one that got the dates mixed up and first mentioned the 8th. I do not know if she relayed that info to Cindy or not. Her interview can be read here. http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/06%20Shirley%20Plesea%20Transcript.pdf

I hope that helps, although I did not mind at all re-reading her interview, I love that woman. lol

No, noone else said the date of June 7 before CA did. CA said it first as I wrote in my post. CA told the 911 operator she last saw Caylee on June 7. She said it during the second 911 call from her house. From that report everyone else involved followed suit and the missing date became June 8 or 9 - I can't keep all their lies straight.

Cindy was the first person to name the date and she said June 7. I guess SP went along with what her daughter said without checking the facts the way the rest of them did.

Sooner Fan#1
05-12-2009, 01:38 AM
No, noone else said the date of June 7 before CA did. CA said it first as I wrote in my post. CA told the 911 operator she last saw Caylee on June 7. She said it during the second 911 call from her house. From that report everyone else involved followed suit and the missing date became June 8 or 9 - I can't keep all their lies straight.

Cindy was the first person to name the date and she said June 7. I guess SP went along with what her daughter said without checking the facts the way the rest of them did.

Sorry, I couldn't help. Actually I was looking for the interview where LE was working on her fuse box...to get the electricity back on, because she said she was the cause of the confusion, but my husband is ill and I haven't had time to look for it. It was in SP interview with YM.

Woe.be.gone
05-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Sorry, I couldn't help. Actually I was looking for the interview where LE was working on her fuse box...to get the electricity back on, because she said she was the cause of the confusion, but my husband is ill and I haven't had time to look for it. It was in SP interview with YM.

I remember that interview, not all the details of course.

I don't think CA called SP between 911 calls, after she had found KC, to ask her when she last visited Mr. Dora. Plus I remember SP knew it had been Father's Day because she said it made for a nice one for Alex.

I guess what I am saying is, I have looked at this wrong date feature of the case enough therefore, NOONE CAN CONVINCE ME that the wrong date was an honest mistake on CA's part.

Hope your hubby is feeling better.:)

ibyoungr
05-14-2009, 03:30 PM
Per Clint House's statement. Caylee was with her mom on June 13th. Clint was a roommate with Tony at the time.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4884388/Casey-Anthony-Roy-Clinton-House-written-statement

TallyHo
05-15-2009, 11:45 AM
June 5th Cindy's Birthday
Casey wakes up at the Anthony home after a long night before. Troy’s actual birthday party… strip club with Amy, Ric and Troy… no Casey.
7:12 AM Tony texts Casey
7:22 AM Tony texts Casey 49 minute break.. Is Caylee awake?
8:11 AM Tony texts Casey. Casey does not respond to his text. 70 minute break (Caylee time?)9:21 AM Rick texts Casey
9:36 AM Casey texts Tony
9:36 – 10:40 AM For the next hour, Casey is keeping both Tony and Ric..texting her…
10:40 AM Casey calls Ric
10:41 AM Casey texts Tony
10:42 AM Tony calls Casey and talks for 19 minutes.. 69 minute break..
Casey is probably showering and getting ready for “work” and leaving while Cindy watches Caylee for the day. Cindy watched Caylee this week.
11:44 – 11:50 AM Casey calls Tony while she is near Ricardo’s apt. Casey is also texting Ric which would mean he is at work. He stated in his interview that he works from 11 AM to 8 PM.58 minutes go by with no phone activity. She is near the Amscot… Tony is not in class this week.
June 5th around noon.. Casey is on her way to Tony’s
12:49 PM Casey gets a VM message while she is pinging at or near Tony’s
1:02 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg.
1:28 PM Casey calls Casey
1:30 PM Casey calls her mom’s cell phone
1:30 PM Casey calls her mom’s cell again
1:31 PM Casey calls the Anthony Home
1:36 PM Casey calls Casey again and then a VM Message cleared happens
1:43 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg while at Tony’s
91 minute break.. time for some nooky with Tony???
3:15 PM VM message waiting
3:32 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 1 minute pings near FUSION
3:51 PM Anthony home is calling Casey
3:52 PM Casey calls Anthony home and talks 4 minute pings near Fusion and Waterford Ale
3:54 PM DRF dealership calls Casey (ric or annie)
98 minute break..
5:31 PM Casey checks VM
5:55 PM Casey gets a call from DRF (ric or annie)
5:56- 6:02 PM VM message, Yahoo message
6:18 PM Casey calls VM… Casey is back near Tony’s Apt.
6:55 PM Anthony home calls Casey 2 minute call6:59 PM Ric calls Casey she lets it go to VM
7:15 PM Ric texts Casey
7:15 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 5 minutes
7:21 PM Casey calls Ric (she is at Tony’s apt)
7:25 PM Jesse G calls Casey and talks for 13 minutes
7:45 PM Casey texts Ric Casey is pinging at home

This is prolly when Casey "celebrated" her mothers bday with her....

Another text fest between Casey/Ric and Casey/Tony goes on until 9:33 when she takes a 12 minute break. Grandma must be taken care of Caylee’s bedtime. Cindy mentioned she likes to rock Caylee to sleep at night in her Aug 1 interveiw.
Texting continues between Ric and Casey very heavily…
10:58 PM Tony calls Casey and they talk for 32 minute
Casey texts with Rick and Tony until 1:32 PM she gets in 1 text with Jesse Grund texting Casey
1:32 AM Casey goes to sleep 5.5 hours and wakes up at 6:52 on June 6th when her cell show activity
Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf PG 10
“…probably hanging out with Tony. Hadn’t seen Caylee this week.”


Just looking at all of this texting/phone calling - doesn't it make you wonder just how more interesting this "picture" would be if we could also put all of the computer usage/myspace postings with all of this??? Great job IBY, for putting all of this info together - it's very helpful!! :clap:

ibyoungr
05-15-2009, 11:52 AM
Just looking at all of this texting/phone calling - doesn't it make you wonder just how more interesting this "picture" would be if we could also put all of the computer usage/myspace postings with all of this??? Great job IBY, for putting all of this info together - it's very helpful!! :clap:

If any one has myspace postings relating to the dates of June 1st through June 20th that would be great. I have a very long document that I am pulling things into together, it has a little more info. As I find stuff I put it all together.

Thanks! It does somehow pull everything together and makes a clearer picture of it all. The calendar is nice but it only tells you what when on that day.. Not the ORDER of how it all happened.

It's Not the Nanny
05-15-2009, 01:34 PM
ibyounger - Wouldn't it also be interesting to have the myspace/facebook icons or any pictures she edited and downloaded on each day on your timeline? I know, I know... lots more work! It just might show her frame of mind as the days went on.

I really enjoy the work you have done so far! It helps to really put it all together.

ibyoungr
05-18-2009, 02:48 PM
Per Maria Kissh interview....
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/12%20Maria%20Kissh%20Transcript.pdf
interview with Pedro Rivera

MK:... and so that's how I, I met her uhm, out and then subsequently saw her several times at his apartment.
PR: His apartment?
MK: Uh-hum
PR: Okay
MK: and that's also where I saw uhm, her with Caylee.
PR: And what day was that?
MK: I don't know the exact date. I know it was after June 9th. It ..
PR After June 9th?
MK: After June 9th. It had to have been that very week. So maybe it...
PR: Do you remember the day?
MK: I don't. Maybe a couple of days after.

This is found on OCSO page 785

DogMom2JoeAndWillie
05-19-2009, 10:24 AM
Allrighty guys....bear with me, cause I've been up all night looking at this stuff and thinking it through before I post. I have searched some and done a bit of scanning, but this may be posted elsewhere by someone who's a WAY more experienced WSer than I am. So, if I'm re-posting anyone else's theory, I'm SO SORRY and I would never take credit for any of this research because EVERYTHING that I looked over was in the calendar that you guys have put SO MUCH hard work into building. The thing that sparked my interest was the "draft email" that was brought up in another thread. I posted about wishing I could start on this case with a "fresh mind" and re-look at all the info.....so I decided that I would try it (do the best I could, anyway). So, I did a LOT of reading in the "draft" thread and used the linkes that the posters in there provided (you guys are SOO awesome) and started checking out the calendar for the month of June.
The two pieces of information that I focused on were the fact that Caylee was with CA on the 15th for Father's Day and that GA said he saw Caylee and CA leave the house shortly before 1pm on The 16th. I looked through everything that you guys put on the calendar from the doc dumps, LE interviews, phone conversations, ping maps and typical daily schedules for CA, GA, KC, and Caylee the most. I looked at some AH, JG, RM, and TL as well. This is what I came up with (have adult onset ADD so bear with me, please) :)

KC spent the evening of the 13th with TL at Fusian until around 3AM on the 14th after lying to all her other friends about George's "mini-stroke heart-attack" thingy. She pinged near Fusian until about 1:40AM and then pinged near AL's apartment around 2:50AM. She pinged near the A home around 3:15AM on the 14th (Saturday). She slept at the A's home for a while and then pinged next in route to TL's where she stayed from around 12:15-4pm Saturday afternoon before going back to the A's home and staying overnight (until Sunday the 15th, Father's Day) which is indicated by the 12:30AM-9:15 am pings at/near the A's home on the morning of the 15th.
KC left Caylee with CA, who took her to visit her GGfather at the nursing home and to eat chilli at her GGmother's house before returning home. CA stayed with TL for the entire day on the 15th (around 9:15AM until around 7:30PM) until she returned to the A's home around 7:30PM and stayed there through midnight (she pinged around 12:30AM at the A's on the 16th) and stayed at or near the A's residence all the way through 4:30PM the afternoon of the 16th.
GA's work schedule was 2-10PM on the afternoon/evening of the 16th, and he says that he saw KC and Caylee leave the house around 1PM. This could be true since GA wasn't scheduled to be at work until 2 (and CA wouldn't have been there to witness this because she worked from 8AM-5PM). However, KC still pinged around the A's home until 4:30 PM, indicating that she didn't go to "work" or anywhere else during that time period after she left the A's house. On the computer use information, the HP desktop at the A's house was being used at 84% from 2-3PM on the 16th. It couldn't have been GA or CA because they were both at work, meaning that KC is the only person that could have been using the computer between 2-3PM...so she had to have doubled back to the A's home after GA left for work. Then JG speaks to KC for 12 minutes starting at 2:52PM and hears Caylee in the background (keep in mind that he doesn't second guess whether or not he heard her on this phone call....it was the phone call on the 24th that he wasn't sure of). That means that Caylee was still alive at around 3:05PM (end of the phone call between KC and JG) on Monday the 16th.
After the JG phone call, there is a 30 minute gap in phone activity, followed by a 22 second phone call from KC to AL at 3:35PM. Then there is a 35 minute gap in phone activity until KC makes a 34 second phone call to GA around 4:10PM. Then there are four phone calls to CA (two at 4:11 and two at 4:13) followed by a 98 second call to GA at 4:14. Then she texts AL at 4:18 and appears (according to pings) to be traveling away from the A's home. She arrives at Al's apartment, calls JG two more times at 4:21and makes 6 phone calls to either CA or the A's home from 4:25-6:32 that evening. She makes a few calls to friends throughout the rest of the evening and stays the night at AL's apartment. This is when she "moves in" with TL (stops staying at the A's at night) and she doesn't have Caylee with her at all. The car gets backed into the A's garage for the first time the next day, the 17th and the invisinanny stories start on the 20th to TL about being able to stay all weekend and on the 27th to JG about who's keeping her while she's out partying.
I know I probably included a lot of info that wasn't really necessary, but I wanted to make sure that my thoughts were "flowing" correctly. I think I've narrowed down little Caylee's time of death to one of the two breaks in the cell phone activity on the 16th while she was at the A's house! Little Caylee was either murdered between 3:04-3:35 before KC called AL or between 3:35-4:10 when she called GA at work because NOBODY saw her or heard her little voice again after the phone call with JG that ended at 3:04PM on June 16th. That means that KC murdered her baby between 3:04 and 4:10 at her parent's house (just an hour or so before CA would have been home from work).

Please feel free to edit this and tear it apart however you need to. Like I said, I was up all night doing this psycho-crazy "figure it out" thing....so I'm sure I messed up and got confused quite a bit because it seems like if this were possible you guys would have already figured it out. Plus, it might be posted already and I'm just not very good at searching.

momtective
05-19-2009, 12:20 PM
Beautiful post DogMom2JoeAndWillie, you're effort is to be commended. I too believe Caylee died on the 16th but my theory is a little different. I don't think she was killed in the Anthony home because the cadaver dogs would have hit inside the home.


My theory has always been that between 3:35-4:10 that she (KC) placed Caylee's live body in the trunk of her car or maybe even in the backseat with the seat let down to expose the trunk from the inside. Anyone seeing her would have just assumed she was putting a sleeping baby in the car. At some point I think she (KC) pushed the seat into the upright position and left Caylee concealed in the trunk. I also think she had already placed the duct tape over Caylee's mouth so that if she awoke no one would hear her. I do think that Caylee died on June 16th after hours of being in the hot trunk of the car. She probably died while the car sat in the parking lot of TonE's apartments and KC & TonE went to blockbuster...at that point she would have been in the trunk for over 4 hours and we're talking June in Fl.
Here's a breakdown of the temperatures during the time period we are focusing on
3:48 PM 75.2 °F 0.07” Rain Rain 91% humidity
3:53 PM 73.9 °F 0.15” Rain Heavy Rain 89% humidity
4:03 PM 75.2 °F 0.03” Rain Light Rain 83% humidity
4:09 PM 77.0 ° 0.0” Rain Light Rain 91% humidity
4:53 PM 73.9 °F 0.03” Rain Light Rain 90% humidity
5:53 PM 75.0 °F Clear 84% humidity
6:53 PM 75.0 °F Clear 82% humidity
7:53 PM 75.9 °F Clear 87% humidity
8:53 PM 75.0 °F Clear 87% humidity
9:53 PM 73.9 °F Clear 84% humidity
10:53 PM 73.9 °F Clear 84% humidity

Consider this the temperature inside a car (even with the windows rolled down a little) can quickly rise above 120 to 140 degrees. Even on a relatively mild day, the temperature inside a car can get above 100 degrees. At those temperatures, kids are at great risk for heat stroke, which can lead to a high fever, dehydration, seizures, stroke and death.
Remember, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 'a locked car sitting in the summer sun quickly turns into an oven,' and 'temperatures can climb from 78 degrees to 100 degrees in just three minutes, to 125 degrees in 6-8 minutes.'
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a/05_hot_cars.htm
Children have died from just being left in hot cars for only 40 minutes.
I don't know how long it took little Caylee to die but I'm convinced this is how she died, from being left in the trunk of KC's car with her mouth taped shut, she smothered to death. JMO

AZlawyer
05-19-2009, 12:25 PM
Allrighty guys....bear with me, cause I've been up all night looking at this stuff and thinking it through before I post. I have searched some and done a bit of scanning, but this may be posted elsewhere by someone who's a WAY more experienced WSer than I am. So, if I'm re-posting anyone else's theory, I'm SO SORRY and I would never take credit for any of this research because EVERYTHING that I looked over was in the calendar that you guys have put SO MUCH hard work into building. The thing that sparked my interest was the "draft email" that was brought up in another thread. I posted about wishing I could start on this case with a "fresh mind" and re-look at all the info.....so I decided that I would try it (do the best I could, anyway). So, I did a LOT of reading in the "draft" thread and used the linkes that the posters in there provided (you guys are SOO awesome) and started checking out the calendar for the month of June.
The two pieces of information that I focused on were the fact that Caylee was with CA on the 15th for Father's Day and that GA said he saw Caylee and CA leave the house shortly before 1pm on The 16th. I looked through everything that you guys put on the calendar from the doc dumps, LE interviews, phone conversations, ping maps and typical daily schedules for CA, GA, KC, and Caylee the most. I looked at some AH, JG, RM, and TL as well. This is what I came up with (have adult onset ADD so bear with me, please) :)

KC spent the evening of the 13th with TL at Fusian until around 3AM on the 14th after lying to all her other friends about George's "mini-stroke heart-attack" thingy. She pinged near Fusian until about 1:40AM and then pinged near AL's apartment around 2:50AM. She pinged near the A home around 3:15AM on the 14th (Saturday). She slept at the A's home for a while and then pinged next in route to TL's where she stayed from around 12:15-4pm Saturday afternoon before going back to the A's home and staying overnight (until Sunday the 15th, Father's Day) which is indicated by the 12:30AM-9:15 am pings at/near the A's home on the morning of the 15th.
KC left Caylee with CA, who took her to visit her GGfather at the nursing home and to eat chilli at her GGmother's house before returning home. CA stayed with TL for the entire day on the 15th (around 9:15AM until around 7:30PM) until she returned to the A's home around 7:30PM and stayed there through midnight (she pinged around 12:30AM at the A's on the 16th) and stayed at or near the A's residence all the way through 4:30PM the afternoon of the 16th.
GA's work schedule was 2-10PM on the afternoon/evening of the 16th, and he says that he saw KC and Caylee leave the house around 1PM. This could be true since GA wasn't scheduled to be at work until 2 (and CA wouldn't have been there to witness this because she worked from 8AM-5PM). However, KC still pinged around the A's home until 4:30 PM, indicating that she didn't go to "work" or anywhere else during that time period after she left the A's house. On the computer use information, the HP desktop at the A's house was being used at 84% from 2-3PM on the 16th. It couldn't have been GA or CA because they were both at work, meaning that KC is the only person that could have been using the computer between 2-3PM...so she had to have doubled back to the A's home after GA left for work. Then JG speaks to KC for 12 minutes starting at 2:52PM and hears Caylee in the background (keep in mind that he doesn't second guess whether or not he heard her on this phone call....it was the phone call on the 24th that he wasn't sure of). That means that Caylee was still alive at around 3:05PM (end of the phone call between KC and JG) on Monday the 16th.
After the JG phone call, there is a 30 minute gap in phone activity, followed by a 22 second phone call from KC to AL at 3:35PM. Then there is a 35 minute gap in phone activity until KC makes a 34 second phone call to GA around 4:10PM. Then there are four phone calls to CA (two at 4:11 and two at 4:13) followed by a 98 second call to GA at 4:14. Then she texts AL at 4:18 and appears (according to pings) to be traveling away from the A's home. She arrives at Al's apartment, calls JG two more times at 4:21and makes 6 phone calls to either CA or the A's home from 4:25-6:32 that evening. She makes a few calls to friends throughout the rest of the evening and stays the night at AL's apartment. This is when she "moves in" with TL (stops staying at the A's at night) and she doesn't have Caylee with her at all. The car gets backed into the A's garage for the first time the next day, the 17th and the invisinanny stories start on the 20th to TL about being able to stay all weekend and on the 27th to JG about who's keeping her while she's out partying.
I know I probably included a lot of info that wasn't really necessary, but I wanted to make sure that my thoughts were "flowing" correctly. I think I've narrowed down little Caylee's time of death to one of the two breaks in the cell phone activity on the 16th while she was at the A's house! Little Caylee was either murdered between 3:04-3:35 before KC called AL or between 3:35-4:10 when she called GA at work because NOBODY saw her or heard her little voice again after the phone call with JG that ended at 3:04PM on June 16th. That means that KC murdered her baby between 3:04 and 4:10 at her parent's house (just an hour or so before CA would have been home from work).

Please feel free to edit this and tear it apart however you need to. Like I said, I was up all night doing this psycho-crazy "figure it out" thing....so I'm sure I messed up and got confused quite a bit because it seems like if this were possible you guys would have already figured it out. Plus, it might be posted already and I'm just not very good at searching.

Great post! In the back of my mind, I think there was a thread on which we were hammering out the events of June 16 in minute detail--maybe it was merged into the "June 16" ping thread? Not sure.

One caveat on the time of death theory... while JG didn't retract his testimony about hearing Caylee's voice on the 16th (like he did for the 24th), he didn't exactly say he heard her on the 16th either. What he said was, "YEAH, IT WAS NOT UNNORMAL TO HEAR CAYLEE IN THE BACKGROUND WHENEVER I WAS TALKING TO CASEY."

Unnormal, randomous...we are learning so many new words in this case. ;)

DogMom2JoeAndWillie
05-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Beautiful post DogMom2JoeAndWillie, you're effort is to be commended. I too believe Caylee died on the 16th but my theory is a little different. I don't think she was killed in the Anthony home because the cadaver dogs would have hit inside the home.


My theory has always been that between 3:35-4:10 that she (KC) placed Caylee's live body in the trunk of her car or maybe even in the backseat with the seat let down to expose the trunk from the inside. Anyone seeing her would have just assumed she was putting a sleeping baby in the car. At some point I think she (KC) pushed the seat into the upright position and left Caylee concealed in the trunk. I also think she had already placed the duct tape over Caylee's mouth so that if she awoke no one would hear her. I do think that Caylee died on June 16th after hours of being in the hot trunk of the car. She probably died while the car sat in the parking lot of TonE's apartments and KC & TonE went to blockbuster...at that point she would have been in the trunk for over 4 hours and we're talking June in Fl.
Here's a breakdown of the temperatures during the time period we are focusing on
3:48 PM 75.2 °F 0.07” Rain Rain 91% humidity
3:53 PM 73.9 °F 0.15” Rain Heavy Rain 89% humidity
4:03 PM 75.2 °F 0.03” Rain Light Rain 83% humidity
4:09 PM 77.0 ° 0.0” Rain Light Rain 91% humidity
4:53 PM 73.9 °F 0.03” Rain Light Rain 90% humidity
5:53 PM 75.0 °F Clear 84% humidity
6:53 PM 75.0 °F Clear 82% humidity
7:53 PM 75.9 °F Clear 87% humidity
8:53 PM 75.0 °F Clear 87% humidity
9:53 PM 73.9 °F Clear 84% humidity
10:53 PM 73.9 °F Clear 84% humidity

Consider this the temperature inside a car (even with the windows rolled down a little) can quickly rise above 120 to 140 degrees. Even on a relatively mild day, the temperature inside a car can get above 100 degrees. At those temperatures, kids are at great risk for heat stroke, which can lead to a high fever, dehydration, seizures, stroke and death.
Remember, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 'a locked car sitting in the summer sun quickly turns into an oven,' and 'temperatures can climb from 78 degrees to 100 degrees in just three minutes, to 125 degrees in 6-8 minutes.'
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a/05_hot_cars.htm
Children have died from just being left in hot cars for only 40 minutes.
I don't know how long it took little Caylee to die but I'm convinced this is how she died, from being left in the trunk of KC's car with her mouth taped shut, she smothered to death. JMO

Glad you liked my post, thanks for taking the time to check it out! :blowkiss:

I didn't think about the cadaver dogs not hitting in the house :doh:....so your theory works much better with the time frame :clap: . Thanks for pointing that out and helping me get my mind back on the right track! :bowdown:

I live in Arkansas, and TOTALLY know what it feels like in a hot car in the summer. :eek: It's so hot when I get into mine sometimes that I can't stand to touch the steering wheel until I let it cool off for a while. :yow: I won't even let my dogs ride with me when it's really hot outside :nono: ...what if (God forbid) I were to jump out for a second (like, to drop rental movies in the quick drop box) and I locked my keys in the car on accident?! Then I would have to demolish the car windows and everything....and that'd be a huge mess (not even wanting to think about how angry my mother would be about my car insurance rates going up after I purposely destroyed my car)!

Point is that I wouldn't even do that to a DOG....let alone a child! :furious: Who the he!l could leave a precious baby in the trunk of a car to suffocate in the heat....like being baked in an oven....I just can't imagine..... :rage:

I hate to admit it to myself, but I think your theory is correct, because it hurts to imagine that baby girls last minutes, suffering in that car. :shakehead: I truly believe that KC did something horrible to her (and I know this is going to sound awefull) but I would feel so much better if she was at least asleep/drugged if only to ease her suffering. :cry:

That horrible woman is right where she belongs for now. :behindbar:
May she forever burn in Hell....:burn:

IMO, the needle and the chair are too good her her :curses: ....she should have to suffer through the same torture that she put that baby through! :furious:

:angel: Caylee deserves :Justice: and I'll be praying that she gets it

:rant: Okay, I'm done now.

ibyoungr
05-19-2009, 02:16 PM
[QUOTE=DogMom2JoeAndWillie;3761285]Allrighty guys....bear with me, cause I've been up all night looking at this stuff and thinking it through before I post.

snipped for space....

Yes, this is what I have sleuthed as well. We are so far on the same page.

ibyoungr
05-19-2009, 02:21 PM
Glad you liked my post, thanks for taking the time to check it out! :blowkiss:

I didn't think about the cadaver dogs not hitting in the house :doh:....so your theory works much better with the time frame :clap: . Thanks for pointing that out and helping me get my mind back on the right track! :bowdown:

I live in Arkansas, and TOTALLY know what it feels like in a hot car in the summer. :eek: It's so hot when I get into mine sometimes that I can't stand to touch the steering wheel until I let it cool off for a while. :yow: I won't even let my dogs ride with me when it's really hot outside :nono: ...what if (God forbid) I were to jump out for a second (like, to drop rental movies in the quick drop box) and I locked my keys in the car on accident?! Then I would have to demolish the car windows and everything....and that'd be a huge mess (not even wanting to think about how angry my mother would be about my car insurance rates going up after I purposely destroyed my car)!

Point is that I wouldn't even do that to a DOG....let alone a child! :furious: Who the he!l could leave a precious baby in the trunk of a car to suffocate in the heat....like being baked in an oven....I just can't imagine..... :rage:

I hate to admit it to myself, but I think your theory is correct, because it hurts to imagine that baby girls last minutes, suffering in that car. :shakehead: I truly believe that KC did something horrible to her (and I know this is going to sound awefull) but I would feel so much better if she was at least asleep/drugged if only to ease her suffering. :cry:

That horrible woman is right where she belongs for now. :behindbar:
May she forever burn in Hell....:burn:

IMO, the needle and the chair are too good her her :curses: ....she should have to suffer through the same torture that she put that baby through! :furious:

:angel: Caylee deserves :Justice: and I'll be praying that she gets it

:rant: Okay, I'm done now.


The cadaver dogs did not HIT in the INSIDE because.. they were not TAKEN inside the house. If someone can show me police documentation that the DOGS were taken INSIDE I would appreciate it! :blowkiss:

DogMom2JoeAndWillie
05-19-2009, 02:23 PM
Great post! In the back of my mind, I think there was a thread on which we were hammering out the events of June 16 in minute detail--maybe it was merged into the "June 16" ping thread? Not sure.

One caveat on the time of death theory... while JG didn't retract his testimony about hearing Caylee's voice on the 16th (like he did for the 24th), he didn't exactly say he heard her on the 16th either. What he said was, "YEAH, IT WAS NOT UNNORMAL TO HEAR CAYLEE IN THE BACKGROUND WHENEVER I WAS TALKING TO CASEY."

Unnormal, randomous...we are learning so many new words in this case. ;)

Thank you so much for the compliment! :biggrin:

I did some searching, but I am still learning here (only joined in March) :thumb:. I've been getting the hang of it, slowly but surely! :snail: I'm making it my goal to be half as good as all you pro WSers are, but doubt I'll ever get there! :detective:

Thanks for pointing out that JG isn't sure about hearing Caylee in the background on the 16th, either. I didn't realize that....guess I should have researched a little bit better :blushing:.

:idea: I still don't think that it messes up my theory too much, though. She still had to be at the A's house and on the computer from 2-3 according to the HP usage info and everyone else's work schedules. That still leaves a time frame of around 3:00 until 4:30, right? :confused:

momtective
05-19-2009, 02:39 PM
The cadaver dogs did not HIT in the INSIDE because.. they were not TAKEN inside the house. If someone can show me police documentation that the DOGS were taken INSIDE I would appreciate it! :blowkiss:



I honestly thought they were...if not, then why the heck not? I have no idea where any documentation would be to show they were inside the house and now I'm really scratchin' my head wondering why in the world they wouldn't have run the dogs through that house.:eek:

ibyoungr
05-19-2009, 05:44 PM
I honestly thought they were...if not, then why the heck not? I have no idea where any documentation would be to show they were inside the house and now I'm really scratchin' my head wondering why in the world they wouldn't have run the dogs through that house.:eek:

This is one thing the I feel LE should have done. But at that early stage of the game.. guess they did not think about Caylee being murdered in the house. I wish they would have taken the dog in.

I wonder if they could still get a scent at this late stage.

TallyHo
05-22-2009, 09:31 AM
Friday, June 6th Amy totals her car in the early morning hours… Casey and Caylee wake up the Anthony house.. Casey starts texting Tony at 6:53 AM.

Ping map by Georgia PI (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3024521&postcount=1)

Amy Huzienga July 23rd interview regarding June 1st.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf PG 11
“ Casey tells Amy on the 7th that her boss sent her to Fusion to check on his daughter the night of the 6th.. then she went back to work..”
6:53 AM Casey replies to Tony’s first text of the day.
6:57 AM to 7:05 Casey and Tony share texts
144 minute break… Casey is either catching more sleep or she is caring for Caylee and her mom is home...
9:29 AM Casey calls Ryan Pasley for 1 minute
62 minutes later… Casey is probably interacting with Caylee or her mom…..
10:31 PM Casey calls Ric and talks for 30 minutes He was making plans to cook supper that night and she said she would be over… knowing that she would be at the hiphop showcase with Tony. She told her mother she would be working.

Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 8
“ .. we planned to have dinner. Ric was cooking Friday nite. She told him she would be over. She told Amy she was coming too. Eventually it got later and later, she said later she was going to be at work the whole night. Ric saw the pictures on line of her at Fusion from Friday night. She lied to him state that her boss sent her there to spy on his daughter.”8 minutes after her call with Ric… she texts Tony…
11:09 PM Casey texts Tony
11:10 PM Tony texts Casey
11:12 PM Tony calls Casey
11:26 PM Casey texts Tony
50 minute break She probably feeding Caylee, eating and putting Caylee down for a nap. Shower?
12:16 -12:31 Casey receives several Yahoo messages. This could indicate computer usage.
41 minute break
1:12 PM Casey calls DRF and talks for 20 minutes. She is probably talking to Ric or Annie
1:26 PM Tony calls Casey and talks to her for 3 minutes
1:33 PM Tony texts Casey
1:33 PM Tony texts Casey again
1:33 PM Casey replies to Tony’s text
1:35 – 1:42 Casey receives Yahoo messages
1:42 PM Casey Calls her Mom’s cell phone… This could indicate that Cindy is out of the house and Casey is home with Caylee. She does not connect with Cindy.
1:42, 1:43, 1:44 Casey receives 3 Yahoo messages.
26 minute break in cell activity
2:17 Casey gets and receives another Yahoo text msg
28 minute break in cell activity

June 6th Afternoon - Casey is at her parent’s house. She is texting through Yahoo. She calls her mom twice, connects once and talks for 3 minutes. It could be assumed she is at home while Caylee naps. Mom is out shopping.
2:45 PM Casey calls Cindy’s cell phone and talks for 3 minutes
2:47 PM Tony texts Casey
2:48 PM Casey calls Tony 1 minutes
2:50 PM Casey gets at Telemarketer call?
11 minute break…
3:01 PM Casey gets a Face book alert
17 minute break… Caylee may have woken up here?
3:18 PM Incoming VM text
47 minutes break… Cindy could have returned from the store. She thinks Casey has to go into work and is there in time to watch Caylee… shower? Getting ready to go?
4:05 PM – 4:39 PM up until she leaves she revices numerous Yahoo messages on her her phone.
4:40 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg while she pings at Tony’s apt.
4:47 PM Casey gets a MySpace alert
5:19 PM Amy send Casey a text
“You have a consered guy in here. Love you many hugs.”29 minute of no cell activity
6:03 PM Tony R. “the cop” texts Casey while she is at Tony L’s apt
6:14 PM Casey gets a Facebook alert
90 minute break in cell activity… nooky time again?
7:43 PM Ric calls Casey, goes to VM, VM text received
7:56 PM Ric texts Casey again
8:04 PM Casey texts Ric back
8:05 PM Ric texts Casey
8:09 PM Casey texts Ric…..
Ric Morales interview July 25th with Det Edwards
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555348.pdf Page 8
“ .. we planned to have dinner. He (Ric) was cooking Friday nite. She told him she would be over. She told Amy she was coming too. Eventually it got later and later, she said later she was going to be at work the whole night.

8:54 PM Casey calls Ryan P with no connection tries again in 13 secs
8:57 PM Ric calls Casey, VM text msg arrives, Casey calls VM
8:59 PM Facebook alert Casey arrives at FUSION with Tony
8:59 PM Ric texts Casey
9:02 PM Casey texts Ric
9:03 PM Ric texts Casey
9:04 PM Casey texts Ric
June 6th… 9 PM at night… Casey is at Fusion with Tony. Ric is waiting for her to come over and eat supper that he cooked. Caylee is with her Grandma who thinks mom Casey is working.
9:09 PM Amy texts Casey
“Got a shift.”
9:09 PM Casey texts Amy back
9:19 PM Casey texts Tony while they are at Fusion together
9:26 PM Casey texts Troy
9:28 PM Troy texts Casey
9:38 PM Casey texts Troy
9:44 PM Casey texts Amy
“What time do you get off tonight?”
9:46 PM Amy texts Casey
“Hopefully a little after 10.”
9:48 PM Casey texts Amy she lies that she came into work… she is actually at FUSION with Tony
“I came into work. Huge mistake. I tried to help setup for an event and got roped into staying a few hours.”
9:49 PM Amy texts Casey
“Good thing I worked then! When are you done?” (note that Casey DOES NOT RESPOND to her question ever. She is at Fusion partying and really is not planning to meet with her, Ric and Troy at Voyage)
9:51 PM Casey texts Clint while they are at Fusion
9:51 PM Troy texts Casey
10:42 PM Ric texts Casey
10:44 PM Amy texts Casey
“Done now”
10:53 PM Amy texts Casey
“I think I’m just going to head downtown. Lemme know when you get out.”
10:53 PM Anthony home calls Casey, leaves VM and Casey calls VM
10:53 PM Amy texts Casey
10:54 PM Voicemail waiting text
10:54 PM Casey calls Casey vm , VM Cleared
10:55 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 2 minutes…
11:19 PM Ricardo calls Casey
11:19 PM Casey calls VM
11: 27 PM Ric texts Casey

June 6th/7th middle of the night….

12:24 AM Casey texts Tony while at FUSION
12:35:13 AM Ricardo calls Casey, leaves VM
12:35 AM Casey calls VM
12:35:45 AM Ricardo calls Casey
12:36 AM Amy texts Casey
“I heart you”
12:36 AM Ricardo texts Casey
12:37 AM Casey texts Ricardo
12:39 AM Ric texts Casey
12:42 AM Casey texts Ric
12:44 AM Ric texts Casey
This is the last text for 102 minutes… Party must be going good at both places. Ric and Amy have resigned themselves to the fact “Casey is working late and will not be there.” Casey is actually at FUSION with Tony.
2:26 AM Casey calls Ric
Casey is now headed back to Tony’s apt… Once she arrives there is NO cell activity for over an 1.5 hours. Time for some hooking up?
3:39 AM Anthony home calls Casey3:39 AM Voicemail notification
3:39 AM Casey calls the Anthony Home3:42 AM Anthony home calls Casey
3:45 AM Anthony home calls Casey
4:25 AM Casey checks her VM
4:26 AM Casey texts Tony
Appears to be a good bye text as she leaves the apt complex
4:27 AM Tony texts Casey
4:28 AM Casey calls Jesse Grund – no connection
4:29 AM Casey calls Jesse Grund – no connection
Casey is driving home from Tony’s
4:30 AM Casey calls Ric for 13 minutes and gives him the “I’m sorry I had to work, sweetie.. I know, hun”


Casey arrives near her or at her home....

Bold by me.

Not that this is particularly on topic, but I just noticed another one of those weird little synchronicities in things that Casey says. I think it's hilarious, and possibly a little telling, that she thinks to make up the lie that her boss needs her to spy on his daughter. Think maybe she had "being spied on" on her mind after her mother busted her about the ABC party and seemed to be doing a lot of calling Casey in the wee hours of the mornings in this time frame??? :rolleyes:

Sorry - it's hard to tell which part was bolded by me, but it was near the top in the notes on the Ricardo's July 25 interview with Detective Edwards. I probably should have snipped to make it clearer. Great work IBY!!!

Jolynna
05-22-2009, 11:16 AM
The cadaver dogs did not HIT in the INSIDE because.. they were not TAKEN inside the house. If someone can show me police documentation that the DOGS were taken INSIDE I would appreciate it! :blowkiss:



For some reason, I do remember something about dogs being taken into the house. But, I don't think I've seen documents to support it.

I think the evidence (much of which you worked hard to put in order) points to Caylee being killed in the house.

I can't give Casey credit for sticking Caylee in her trunk alive thinking Caylee might survive because nothing supports it. Casey didn't make a SINGLE provision for a Caylee that could wake up.

LE didn't find a sippy cup for Caylee in Casey's car so she could have a drink of water after being in a hot car. Not even a paper cup. No change of clothes was found with Caylee or in Casey's car. Does anyone think ANY of the Anthony's would let Caylee sleep in play clothes and then continue to wear them for another day? No SHOES!

Casey put the duct tape right into Caylee's hair. The medical examiners had to cut it out.

I think an alive Caylee that might wake up and wriggle around and make noise in her car trunk would have made Casey more nervous than a purposefully killed Caylee.

Casey was happy and carefree with Tony in Blockbuster because every leak in her rickety dam was stopped-up. She'd pacified her parents. Caylee wouldn't be bothering her. No worries for a girl that lives moment to moment.

IMO

ibyoungr
05-22-2009, 01:39 PM
For some reason, I do remember something about dogs being taken into the house. But, I don't think I've seen documents to support it.

I think the evidence (much of which you worked hard to put in order) points to Caylee being killed in the house.

I can't give Casey credit for sticking Caylee in her trunk alive thinking Caylee might survive because nothing supports it. Casey didn't make a SINGLE provision for a Caylee that could wake up.

LE didn't find a sippy cup for Caylee in Casey's car so she could have a drink of water after being in a hot car. Not even a paper cup. No change of clothes was found with Caylee or in Casey's car. Does anyone think ANY of the Anthony's would let Caylee sleep in play clothes and then continue to wear them for another day? No SHOES!
Casey put the duct tape right into Caylee's hair. The medical examiners had to cut it out.

I think an alive Caylee that might wake up and wriggle around and make noise in her car trunk would have made Casey more nervous than a purposefully killed Caylee.

Casey was happy and carefree with Tony in Blockbuster because every leak in her rickety dam was stopped-up. She'd pacified her parents. Caylee wouldn't be bothering her. No worries for a girl that lives moment to moment.

IMO

bolded by me above... this is the whole reason I believe Caylee was dead when she left the house.

BondJamesBond
05-22-2009, 03:39 PM
Monday, 6/9:
· ~5PM Casey left G&C's enroute to Ricardo's w/ Caylee
· Casey & Caylee stayed the night w/ Caylee @ Ricardo's

Tuesday, 6/10:
· AM: Casey & Caylee left Ricardo’s sometime in the morning to pick up Tony and his Jeep @ Tom’s auto repair.
· Casey & Caylee stayed in the area of Tony’s apt. that afternoon
· ~4:10PM Left for G&C’s ~4:10PM

Wednesday, 6/11:
· ~9:40AM Casey (presume w/ Caylee) enroute from G&C’s to Tony’s apt.
· Casey (presume w/ Caylee) stayed in the area of Tony’s apt. until at least 2:20PM
· 2:20PM-~5:30PM no cell activity (possible trip home to change Caylee)
· ~5:30PM near Mall of Millenia (distributing flyers & eat @ Cheescake Factory w/ Caylee)
· 7:10-8:12 Casey (presume w/ Caylee) return to Tony’s apt.
· ~8:20PM enroute from Tony’s apt. back to G&C’s

Note: IIRC, Tony indicated they went to or met @ G&C’s for Caylee to get changed 6/11???

Thursday, 6/12· ~1:20PM Casey (presume w/ Caylee) enroute from G&C’s to Tony’s apt.
· ~6PM Casey (presume w/ Caylee) enroute from Tony’s apt. back to G&C’s

Friday, 6/13
· ~12:15PM Casey w/ Caylee enroute from G&C’s to Tony’s apt.
· ~8PM Casey leaves Tony’s apt and shows up @ Fusian ~9PM

Note: Clint's statement indicated he saw Caylee 6/13
Note: Clint's gf, Maria K. indicated she saw Caylee @ the apt ~6/11-6/12, IIRC
Note: Kristina C. stated she walked w/ Casey & Caylee ~6/11, 12, or 13, IIRC.

OBSERVATIONS:

6/9 Caylee is pretty well accounted for this day, IMHO.

6/10 Caylee is pretty well accounted for this day, IMHO.

6/11 Caylee is pretty well accounted for this day, IMHO. Note Casey's leave-G&C-time was relatively early in the morning ~9:40AM vs. other days.

6/12: Casey left G&C's about the same time as 6/13 & 6/16. Caylee is NOT well-accounted for this day, however, nothing nefarious considering the relatively brief trip to Tony's that afternoon.

6/13:...Caylee is NOT well-accounted for this day, IMHO.

OK...we sleuthed out on the "6/13 Ping.." and "Kristina...Globe" threads earlier the possiblity that the walk was on 6/13 ~8PM @ JBP vs. Lake Underhill per her statement. I'd thought perhaps Kristina had 'kept' Caylee that evening for awhile. Looking @ the direction of the pings today I'm not convinced the walk speculation is correct. Needs a little more attention if someone wants to sleuth that out.

6/13 ~8PM per Casey & Tony's pings they left Tony's apt. and arrived @ Fusian @ approx. the same times. IOW...I can't tell if they drove separately or not.

6/13 ~11PM Casey received a text from Adam pinging @/near Fusian and went inactive on her cell for 2hr 40mins...Tony took a call and pinged @/near Fusian @ ~11PM.

...then...the next activity....

6/14 ~1:40AM Casey sent a text to Tony (suggesting they're apart now w/ Casey pinging near Andy F.'s).

After another ~70mins of inactivity Casey showed up @ Tony's apt. @ ~2:50AM...at which time CASEY called Cindy & G&C's phone then headed immediately home to G&C's w/ no detours.

One option we've discussed before is that perhaps Casey drove separately and left Sean's place (Tony's friends house which is near Andy's) where maybe everyone was hanging out post-Fusian...or alternatively...Casey took Tony's Jeep and left Tony to get a ride w/ Clint later...and headed back to Tony's apt. alone. Without CID's on Tony's text messages I'm unable to get a fix on him between 11PM 6/13 and 8:30AM 6/14.

So...if Clint saw Caylee @ the apt. 6/13...and Casey and Tony went to Fusian w/o Casey stopping over somewhere...we still don't have Caylee accounted for 6/13PM :confused: Where was Caylee?

The timing of the first evidence of Casey arriving @ Tony's apartment @ ~2:50AM 6/14 being simultaneous w/ HER initiating the calls to G&C apparently unprovoked seems to suggest something...:waitasec:...perhaps Caylee may have been:
(a) dropped @ G&C's on the way to Fusian if driving separately. There was a ~48 minute period available to do this between Casey's last ping on the way to Fusian and before her arrival...however, Casey drove toward Fusian first vs. taking a direct route to G&C's :confused:

(b) left w/ someone such as Kristina where Casey was able to pick her up @ a place indistinguishable by the pings since her place was close to G&C's...although no expected explicit heads-up contacts w/ her appear. Since Casey drove directly home from Tony's (per travel time) Casey could not have picked Caylee up on the way home..IOW...Casey had to have Caylee BEFORE leaving Tony's.

(c) left w/ someone associated w/ Adam...dunno if Adam lives near Andy F., but, this was the last contact before Casey appears to have left Fusian sometime <~1:40AM. We've heard nothing from Adam, IIRC.

(d) left @ Tony's (in car??? in apt.????)...depends on if Casey was with Tony or not since she likely didn't have the keys to Tony's apt. (unless she had the Jeep and his key was on the keyring). IIRC, Tony stated that he was uneasy about letting Casey drive the Jeep. Although she did drive it...this seems to be a bit much early in the relationship given Tony's characterization.

(e) took Casey home @ ~6:09PM and returned to Tony's before going to Fusian. Calls @ 6:09PM and 7:08PM from G&C to Casey rolled to vmail. The 60 minutes of cell inactivity between these would've allowed enough time for the round-trip (~46mins req'd).

(f) took Caylee to Gentiva and dropped her off w/ Cindy <6:09PM ETA: Added after others sleuthed this option out afterwards. ITTA this seems the most likely scenario...although wish a Gentiva employee statement had tied the last occurrence to this date...it shoulda seemed important since it was the last workday before Caylee went missing 6/16 (albeit in hindsight for them post-7/16.)

(g)?

...perhaps Casey initiated the calls home to say her 'event' :rolleyes: was over and she would be coming into the house...not to startle G&C.

BondJamesBond
05-22-2009, 04:19 PM
The following would allow that Casey & Tony drove separately...leaving @ about the same time.

FWIW, per Google Maps, depending on the route taken, its 20-24min drive from Tony's to Fusian.

Casey's Pings:

6/13/08 FRI 7:56:58 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Amy Huzienga 4 NE-to-S 1 Purlieu Place tower
6/13/08 FRI 8:00:31 PM INCOMING TEXT Amy Huzienga Casey Anthony 10 NE-to-S 4490 North Goldenrod Rd tower

Above kinda gives me the impression Casey left Tony's and traveled east on University Blvd. toward Jesse & Tony R.'s...that she was on the move @ 8:00PM based on how quickly she went from the Purlieu tower to the NE-to-S side of the 4490 North Goldenrod tower (note that Tony's apt. is on the S-to-NW side of the 4490 North Goldenrod tower)

This is consistent with her hitting the NE-to-S side of the 10363 E. Colonial tower 10 minutes later almost reaching the intersection of University & N. Alafaya Trail...bypassing JBPark. A short 1-2 minutes later she begins pinging the N-to-SE side of the Fusian tower. These pings would be the earliest she could hit that tower, meaning had another 10min drive to reach Fusian. This suggests she drove directly from Tony's apt. to Fusian.

vs. Tony's Pings:

6/13/08 FRI 7:58:00 PM OUTGOING CALL Anthony Lazzaro #N/A 180 S-to-NW 4490 North Goldenrod Rd tower[/COLOR]

ETA: Agree w/ following posts assessment that this was more likley a Gentiva-afternoon-Caylee-drop-off pre-6PM, making it more likely that Casey & Tony rode together.

Chezhire
05-22-2009, 04:43 PM
bolded by me above... this is the whole reason I believe Caylee was dead when she left the house. For me it's this + the fact that the dogs hit outside the Anthony home. I don't believe that Casey took Caylee back to the Anthony residence and into the backyard after Caylee had already died. I believe that once Caylee left the Anthony residence/yard, she left for good.

Chezhire
05-22-2009, 04:53 PM
BJB - anyone juxtaposed the ping maps for Tony and Casey on eve of 6/13- early am hours on 6/14?

ibyoungr
05-22-2009, 04:58 PM
Monday, 6/9:
...perhaps Casey initiated the calls home to say her 'event' :rolleyes: was over and she would be coming into the house...not to startle G&C.

Lots of unaccounted time here that leaves many options on the table. :banghead:

snipped above for space.....
I have been pounding this out in the back of my brain since I started working on the pings. June 13th is one day that bothers me the most because Caylee can not be accounted for.
Thanks for your commendable work, BJB.

One other explanation... Cindy stated that George had Friday and Saturdays off. Yuri took an anonymous call from a neighbor of G&C's that she was 90 some percent sure that Caylee was with Cindy that night.

Could Cindy or George have meet with her to pick up Caylee?


Could have she been near Jesse Grund's? I mean if I was him and watched Caylee that night I sure would never admit it because of the cloud of suspicion.
1. nobody would believe Casey if she said Jesse did babysit...
2. Caylee wasn't talking.
3. If nobody else knew... then it didn't happen.

Just a couple of thoughts. When I got to this date of figuring out the pings.. it just got depressing. :(

AZlawyer
05-22-2009, 05:04 PM
snipped above for space.....
I have been pounding this out in the back of my brain since I started working on the pings. June 13th is one day that bothers me the most because Caylee can not be accounted for.
Thanks for your commendable work, BJB.

One other explanation... Cindy stated that George had Friday and Saturdays off. Yuri took an anonymous call from a neighbor of G&C's that she was 90 some percent sure that Caylee was with Cindy that night.

Could Cindy or George have meet with her to pick up Caylee?


Could have she been near Jesse Grund's? I mean if I was him and watched Caylee that night I sure would never admit it because of the cloud of suspicion.
1. nobody would believe Casey if she said Jesse did babysit...
2. Caylee wasn't talking.
3. If nobody else knew... then it didn't happen.

Just a couple of thoughts. When I got to this date of figuring out the pings.. it just got depressing. :(

Could Casey have dropped off Caylee at Gentiva around 5-6 pm?

ETA: Just checked out the ping map for 6/13 and this does seem possible.

Chezhire
05-22-2009, 05:11 PM
Address for Gentiva?

AZlawyer
05-22-2009, 05:13 PM
Address for Gentiva?

1375 S Semoran Blvd
Winter Park, FL 32792

Chezhire
05-22-2009, 05:16 PM
1375 S Semoran Blvd
Winter Park, FL 32792
This is a very good possibility. We know that Casey had done this before.

Wonder if anyone would remember seeing Caylee that particular Friday, the weekend of Father's Day? I know sometimes Casey dropped Caylee off before Cindy could leave, so Cindy's co-workers would sometimes see Caylee... :waitasec:

JWG
05-22-2009, 05:30 PM
Could Casey have dropped off Caylee at Gentiva around 5-6 pm?

ETA: Just checked out the ping map for 6/13 and this does seem possible.

Don't give up on that one so quickly. There are three pings of interest that could bound a trip to Gentiva:

5:13:51 PM - definitely Tony's, not Gentiva
5:23:56 PM - Could be Tony's or Gentiva
5:48:54 PM - definitely Tony's, not Gentiva

It is only a 5 minute drive from Tony's to Gentiva, so I could see KC stopping by sometime between 5:20 and 5:30 to drop Caylee off. I will note, however, that there are no calls between KC and Cindy's cell that day, so it would have to be an unannounced drop-off.

6:09:13 PM - Call to KC from Anthony home

Google says that it is a 19 minute drive from Gentiva to the Anthony home. So even accounting for Friday rush hour traffic, Cindy could have left Gentiva with Caylee at 5:40 or 5:45 and made that call.

In fact, I can see a scenario where KC pops in at Gentiva unannounced and hands off Caylee, saying she has an emergency event to do that night, and Cindy just takes her. Upon arriving back at the ranch, Cindy walks in, puts her stuff down, gets Caylee settled, and then calls KC for a clearer picture of the evening. That call lasts one minute.

An hour later the homestead tries calling KC again, and this time it rolls to VM. KC returns the message about 10 minutes later, and now it is a three minute call...probably to settle plans for KC out that night, and Caylee home.

Chezhire
05-22-2009, 05:33 PM
SNIPPED: "... there are no calls between KC and Cindy's cell that day, so it would have to be an unannounced drop-off....In fact, I can see a scenario where KC pops in at Gentiva unannounced and hands off Caylee, saying she has an emergency event to do that night, and Cindy just takes her. Upon arriving back at the ranch, Cindy walks in, puts her stuff down, gets Caylee settled, and then calls KC for a clearer picture of the evening. That call lasts one minute.

An hour later the homestead tries calling KC again, and this time it rolls to VM. KC returns the message about 10 minutes later, and now it is a three minute call...probably to settle plans for KC out that night, and Caylee home.I like the discussion above re: 6/13 and dropping off Caylee. It also could have been prearranged.

AZlawyer
05-22-2009, 05:52 PM
I like the discussion above re: 6/13 and dropping off Caylee. It also could have been prearranged.

Didn't KC spend the night at home on June 12-13? If so, she could have arranged the Gentiva drop-off with Cindy that morning before Cindy left for work. After all, it isn't like Fusian Friday snuck up on KC by surprise...she knew ahead of time that she would need someone to Caylee-sit that night.

AZlawyer
05-22-2009, 06:11 PM
And didn't Cindy originally tell the 911 operator that she hadn't seen Caylee since June 7? Then later that night everyone said June 9? If Cindy was off by a week, perhaps she was remembering that she had Caylee Friday night til Sat AM (June 6-7 in her mind, June 13-14 in real life), then later remembered Caylee was also on their house Sunday night til Monday AM after the trip to see the great-grandparents (June 8-9 in her mind, June 15-16 in real life).

ibyoungr
05-22-2009, 08:45 PM
and didn't cindy originally tell the 911 operator that she hadn't seen caylee since june 7? Then later that night everyone said june 9? If cindy was off by a week, perhaps she was remembering that she had caylee friday night til sat am (june 6-7 in her mind, june 13-14 in real life), then later remembered caylee was also on their house sunday night til monday am after the trip to see the great-grandparents (june 8-9 in her mind, june 15-16 in real life).

ita!!

ibyoungr
05-22-2009, 08:46 PM
Don't give up on that one so quickly. There are three pings of interest that could bound a trip to Gentiva:

5:13:51 PM - definitely Tony's, not Gentiva
5:23:56 PM - Could be Tony's or Gentiva
5:48:54 PM - definitely Tony's, not Gentiva

It is only a 5 minute drive from Tony's to Gentiva, so I could see KC stopping by sometime between 5:20 and 5:30 to drop Caylee off. I will note, however, that there are no calls between KC and Cindy's cell that day, so it would have to be an unannounced drop-off.

6:09:13 PM - Call to KC from Anthony home

Google says that it is a 19 minute drive from Gentiva to the Anthony home. So even accounting for Friday rush hour traffic, Cindy could have left Gentiva with Caylee at 5:40 or 5:45 and made that call.

In fact, I can see a scenario where KC pops in at Gentiva unannounced and hands off Caylee, saying she has an emergency event to do that night, and Cindy just takes her. Upon arriving back at the ranch, Cindy walks in, puts her stuff down, gets Caylee settled, and then calls KC for a clearer picture of the evening. That call lasts one minute.

An hour later the homestead tries calling KC again, and this time it rolls to VM. KC returns the message about 10 minutes later, and now it is a three minute call...probably to settle plans for KC out that night, and Caylee home.

I think this is why it was fresh in Cindy's co-workers mind that Casey would drop Caylee off there.

BondJamesBond
05-23-2009, 12:15 PM
Don't give up on that one so quickly. There are three pings of interest that could bound a trip to Gentiva:

5:13:51 PM - definitely Tony's, not Gentiva
5:23:56 PM - Could be Tony's or Gentiva
5:48:54 PM - definitely Tony's, not Gentiva

It is only a 5 minute drive from Tony's to Gentiva, so I could see KC stopping by sometime between 5:20 and 5:30 to drop Caylee off. I will note, however, that there are no calls between KC and Cindy's cell that day, so it would have to be an unannounced drop-off.

6:09:13 PM - Call to KC from Anthony home

Google says that it is a 19 minute drive from Gentiva to the Anthony home. So even accounting for Friday rush hour traffic, Cindy could have left Gentiva with Caylee at 5:40 or 5:45 and made that call.

In fact, I can see a scenario where KC pops in at Gentiva unannounced and hands off Caylee, saying she has an emergency event to do that night, and Cindy just takes her. Upon arriving back at the ranch, Cindy walks in, puts her stuff down, gets Caylee settled, and then calls KC for a clearer picture of the evening. That call lasts one minute.

An hour later the homestead tries calling KC again, and this time it rolls to VM. KC returns the message about 10 minutes later, and now it is a three minute call...probably to settle plans for KC out that night, and Caylee home.

ITTA. In fact, since the 5:23PM ping was the result of a 2min call to Jesse I'd say it further supports Casey was not in the presence of Tony...more likely a trip to Gentiva.


I wish one of the Gentiva employee had noted this specific date in their statements. It was the last workday before Caylee went missing 6/16...albeit well before 7/16...so its undertstandable they didn't recall specifics...or if Casey met Cindy in the parking lot, perhaps they never knew.

Friday
06-01-2009, 12:50 PM
Allrighty guys....bear with me, cause I've been up all night looking at this stuff and thinking it through before I post. I have searched some and done a bit of scanning, but this may be posted elsewhere by someone who's a WAY more experienced WSer than I am. So, if I'm re-posting anyone else's theory, I'm SO SORRY and I would never take credit for any of this research because EVERYTHING that I looked over was in the calendar that you guys have put SO MUCH hard work into building. The thing that sparked my interest was the "draft email" that was brought up in another thread. I posted about wishing I could start on this case with a "fresh mind" and re-look at all the info.....so I decided that I would try it (do the best I could, anyway). So, I did a LOT of reading in the "draft" thread and used the linkes that the posters in there provided (you guys are SOO awesome) and started checking out the calendar for the month of June.
The two pieces of information that I focused on were the fact that Caylee was with CA on the 15th for Father's Day and that GA said he saw Caylee and CA leave the house shortly before 1pm on The 16th. I looked through everything that you guys put on the calendar from the doc dumps, LE interviews, phone conversations, ping maps and typical daily schedules for CA, GA, KC, and Caylee the most. I looked at some AH, JG, RM, and TL as well. This is what I came up with (have adult onset ADD so bear with me, please) :)

KC spent the evening of the 13th with TL at Fusian until around 3AM on the 14th after lying to all her other friends about George's "mini-stroke heart-attack" thingy. She pinged near Fusian until about 1:40AM and then pinged near AL's apartment around 2:50AM. She pinged near the A home around 3:15AM on the 14th (Saturday). She slept at the A's home for a while and then pinged next in route to TL's where she stayed from around 12:15-4pm Saturday afternoon before going back to the A's home and staying overnight (until Sunday the 15th, Father's Day) which is indicated by the 12:30AM-9:15 am pings at/near the A's home on the morning of the 15th.
KC left Caylee with CA, who took her to visit her GGfather at the nursing home and to eat chilli at her GGmother's house before returning home. CA stayed with TL for the entire day on the 15th (around 9:15AM until around 7:30PM) until she returned to the A's home around 7:30PM and stayed there through midnight (she pinged around 12:30AM at the A's on the 16th) and stayed at or near the A's residence all the way through 4:30PM the afternoon of the 16th.
GA's work schedule was 2-10PM on the afternoon/evening of the 16th, and he says that he saw KC and Caylee leave the house around 1PM. This could be true since GA wasn't scheduled to be at work until 2 (and CA wouldn't have been there to witness this because she worked from 8AM-5PM). However, KC still pinged around the A's home until 4:30 PM, indicating that she didn't go to "work" or anywhere else during that time period after she left the A's house. On the computer use information, the HP desktop at the A's house was being used at 84% from 2-3PM on the 16th. It couldn't have been GA or CA because they were both at work, meaning that KC is the only person that could have been using the computer between 2-3PM...so she had to have doubled back to the A's home after GA left for work. Then JG speaks to KC for 12 minutes starting at 2:52PM and hears Caylee in the background (keep in mind that he doesn't second guess whether or not he heard her on this phone call....it was the phone call on the 24th that he wasn't sure of). That means that Caylee was still alive at around 3:05PM (end of the phone call between KC and JG) on Monday the 16th. After the JG phone call, there is a 30 minute gap in phone activity, followed by a 22 second phone call from KC to AL at 3:35PM. Then there is a 35 minute gap in phone activity until KC makes a 34 second phone call to GA around 4:10PM. Then there are four phone calls to CA (two at 4:11 and two at 4:13) followed by a 98 second call to GA at 4:14. Then she texts AL at 4:18 and appears (according to pings) to be traveling away from the A's home. She arrives at Al's apartment, calls JG two more times at 4:21and makes 6 phone calls to either CA or the A's home from 4:25-6:32 that evening. She makes a few calls to friends throughout the rest of the evening and stays the night at AL's apartment. This is when she "moves in" with TL (stops staying at the A's at night) and she doesn't have Caylee with her at all. The car gets backed into the A's garage for the first time the next day, the 17th and the invisinanny stories start on the 20th to TL about being able to stay all weekend and on the 27th to JG about who's keeping her while she's out partying.
I know I probably included a lot of info that wasn't really necessary, but I wanted to make sure that my thoughts were "flowing" correctly. I think I've narrowed down little Caylee's time of death to one of the two breaks in the cell phone activity on the 16th while she was at the A's house! Little Caylee was either murdered between 3:04-3:35 before KC called AL or between 3:35-4:10 when she called GA at work because NOBODY saw her or heard her little voice again after the phone call with JG that ended at 3:04PM on June 16th. That means that KC murdered her baby between 3:04 and 4:10 at her parent's house (just an hour or so before CA would have been home from work).

Please feel free to edit this and tear it apart however you need to. Like I said, I was up all night doing this psycho-crazy "figure it out" thing....so I'm sure I messed up and got confused quite a bit because it seems like if this were possible you guys would have already figured it out. Plus, it might be posted already and I'm just not very good at searching.

Re text highlighted in red by me--

I wonder if what Jesse heard was KC deliberately playing an old a/v clip of Caylee on the computer or in the video camera while Jesse was on the phone. She might have been hastily fabricating some sort of alibi at the time. Whenever KC takes the time to pay a little attention to poor Jesse, I automatically get suspicious of her motives.

I loved your post btw!

Friday
06-01-2009, 01:07 PM
snipped above for space.....
I have been pounding this out in the back of my brain since I started working on the pings. June 13th is one day that bothers me the most because Caylee can not be accounted for.
Thanks for your commendable work, BJB.

One other explanation... Cindy stated that George had Friday and Saturdays off. Yuri took an anonymous call from a neighbor of G&C's that she was 90 some percent sure that Caylee was with Cindy that night.

Could Cindy or George have meet with her to pick up Caylee?


Could have she been near Jesse Grund's? I mean if I was him and watched Caylee that night I sure would never admit it because of the cloud of suspicion.
1. nobody would believe Casey if she said Jesse did babysit...
2. Caylee wasn't talking.
3. If nobody else knew... then it didn't happen.

Just a couple of thoughts. When I got to this date of figuring out the pings.. it just got depressing. :(

Jesse took a polygraph and--IIRC--he passed. Also, since Caylee was still very much alive on June 15th, he wouldn't be under a cloud of suspicion, would he?

Love your posts on this topic, btw.

Wisteria
06-01-2009, 02:18 PM
I wonder if what Jesse heard was KC deliberately playing an old a/v clip of Caylee on the computer or in the video camera while Jesse was on the phone. She might have been hastily fabricating some sort of alibi at the time.

Bolded and snipped by me.

I totally agree. I have been reading this thread and was about to post the exact same thing. We must be suspect of anything KC says that cannot be proven by eye witness. She lies too much, even if poorly.

MidAtlanticNative
06-01-2009, 05:07 PM
ITTA. In fact, since the 5:23PM ping was the result of a 2min call to Jesse I'd say it further supports Casey was not in the presence of Tony...more likely a trip to Gentiva.


I wish one of the Gentiva employee had noted this specific date in their statements. It was the last workday before Caylee went missing 6/16...albeit well before 7/16...so its undertstandable they didn't recall specifics...or if Casey met Cindy in the parking lot, perhaps they never knew.

I agree with your logic and believe that Casey probably was not with Tony at that particular time. However, don't forget that Tony mentioned Casey was in the habit of stepping away/outside when she was using her cell phone. Although Tony mentions (in his statements to LE) that it's because Casey didn't want him to hear all the Cindy drama, Casey could have been talking to anyone.

Searchfortruth
06-03-2009, 03:37 AM
ITTA. In fact, since the 5:23PM ping was the result of a 2min call to Jesse I'd say it further supports Casey was not in the presence of Tony...more likely a trip to Gentiva.


I wish one of the Gentiva employee had noted this specific date in their statements. It was the last workday before Caylee went missing 6/16...albeit well before 7/16...so its undertstandable they didn't recall specifics...or if Casey met Cindy in the parking lot, perhaps they never knew.Did Jesse ever say what that phone call was about ? I don't remember it being covered in an interview. I am curious as to why she would call Jesse, when she was trying to find a sitter for Caylee so that she could hurry back to Tony and Fusion...?

OneLostGrl
06-03-2009, 07:25 AM
Thank you so much for the compliment! :biggrin:

I did some searching, but I am still learning here (only joined in March) :thumb:. I've been getting the hang of it, slowly but surely! :snail: I'm making it my goal to be half as good as all you pro WSers are, but doubt I'll ever get there! :detective:

Thanks for pointing out that JG isn't sure about hearing Caylee in the background on the 16th, either. I didn't realize that....guess I should have researched a little bit better :blushing:.

:idea: I still don't think that it messes up my theory too much, though. She still had to be at the A's house and on the computer from 2-3 according to the HP usage info and everyone else's work schedules. That still leaves a time frame of around 3:00 until 4:30, right? :confused:

Bold is mine

You did a great job- don't doubt yourself, woman!:blowkiss:

steadychick
06-03-2009, 07:31 AM
Allrighty guys....bear with me, cause I've been up all night looking at this stuff and thinking it through before I post. I have searched some and done a bit of scanning, but this may be posted elsewhere by someone who's a WAY more experienced WSer than I am. So, if I'm re-posting anyone else's theory, I'm SO SORRY and I would never take credit for any of this research because EVERYTHING that I looked over was in the calendar that you guys have put SO MUCH hard work into building. The thing that sparked my interest was the "draft email" that was brought up in another thread. I posted about wishing I could start on this case with a "fresh mind" and re-look at all the info.....so I decided that I would try it (do the best I could, anyway). So, I did a LOT of reading in the "draft" thread and used the linkes that the posters in there provided (you guys are SOO awesome) and started checking out the calendar for the month of June.
The two pieces of information that I focused on were the fact that Caylee was with CA on the 15th for Father's Day and that GA said he saw Caylee and CA leave the house shortly before 1pm on The 16th. I looked through everything that you guys put on the calendar from the doc dumps, LE interviews, phone conversations, ping maps and typical daily schedules for CA, GA, KC, and Caylee the most. I looked at some AH, JG, RM, and TL as well. This is what I came up with (have adult onset ADD so bear with me, please) :)

KC spent the evening of the 13th with TL at Fusian until around 3AM on the 14th after lying to all her other friends about George's "mini-stroke heart-attack" thingy. She pinged near Fusian until about 1:40AM and then pinged near AL's apartment around 2:50AM. She pinged near the A home around 3:15AM on the 14th (Saturday). She slept at the A's home for a while and then pinged next in route to TL's where she stayed from around 12:15-4pm Saturday afternoon before going back to the A's home and staying overnight (until Sunday the 15th, Father's Day) which is indicated by the 12:30AM-9:15 am pings at/near the A's home on the morning of the 15th.
KC left Caylee with CA, who took her to visit her GGfather at the nursing home and to eat chilli at her GGmother's house before returning home. CA stayed with TL for the entire day on the 15th (around 9:15AM until around 7:30PM) until she returned to the A's home around 7:30PM and stayed there through midnight (she pinged around 12:30AM at the A's on the 16th) and stayed at or near the A's residence all the way through 4:30PM the afternoon of the 16th.
GA's work schedule was 2-10PM on the afternoon/evening of the 16th, and he says that he saw KC and Caylee leave the house around 1PM. This could be true since GA wasn't scheduled to be at work until 2 (and CA wouldn't have been there to witness this because she worked from 8AM-5PM). However, KC still pinged around the A's home until 4:30 PM, indicating that she didn't go to "work" or anywhere else during that time period after she left the A's house. On the computer use information, the HP desktop at the A's house was being used at 84% from 2-3PM on the 16th. It couldn't have been GA or CA because they were both at work, meaning that KC is the only person that could have been using the computer between 2-3PM...so she had to have doubled back to the A's home after GA left for work. Then JG speaks to KC for 12 minutes starting at 2:52PM and hears Caylee in the background (keep in mind that he doesn't second guess whether or not he heard her on this phone call....it was the phone call on the 24th that he wasn't sure of). That means that Caylee was still alive at around 3:05PM (end of the phone call between KC and JG) on Monday the 16th.
After the JG phone call, there is a 30 minute gap in phone activity, followed by a 22 second phone call from KC to AL at 3:35PM. Then there is a 35 minute gap in phone activity until KC makes a 34 second phone call to GA around 4:10PM. Then there are four phone calls to CA (two at 4:11 and two at 4:13) followed by a 98 second call to GA at 4:14. Then she texts AL at 4:18 and appears (according to pings) to be traveling away from the A's home. She arrives at Al's apartment, calls JG two more times at 4:21and makes 6 phone calls to either CA or the A's home from 4:25-6:32 that evening. She makes a few calls to friends throughout the rest of the evening and stays the night at AL's apartment. This is when she "moves in" with TL (stops staying at the A's at night) and she doesn't have Caylee with her at all. The car gets backed into the A's garage for the first time the next day, the 17th and the invisinanny stories start on the 20th to TL about being able to stay all weekend and on the 27th to JG about who's keeping her while she's out partying.
I know I probably included a lot of info that wasn't really necessary, but I wanted to make sure that my thoughts were "flowing" correctly. I think I've narrowed down little Caylee's time of death to one of the two breaks in the cell phone activity on the 16th while she was at the A's house! Little Caylee was either murdered between 3:04-3:35 before KC called AL or between 3:35-4:10 when she called GA at work because NOBODY saw her or heard her little voice again after the phone call with JG that ended at 3:04PM on June 16th. That means that KC murdered her baby between 3:04 and 4:10 at her parent's house (just an hour or so before CA would have been home from work).

Please feel free to edit this and tear it apart however you need to. Like I said, I was up all night doing this psycho-crazy "figure it out" thing....so I'm sure I messed up and got confused quite a bit because it seems like if this were possible you guys would have already figured it out. Plus, it might be posted already and I'm just not very good at searching.

think this scenario also supports Caylee having been drugged, bound, and dying in the trunk that night of the 16th. That "flurry" of phone calls could have been KC desparately trying to find a sitter, but not being able to. Makes sense, too, given that the car was backed in the very next day.

Thanks for all the work you put into this, by the way. The timeline just seemed clearer the way you wrote it.

2goldfish
06-06-2009, 03:53 PM
This is one thing the I feel LE should have done. But at that early stage of the game.. guess they did not think about Caylee being murdered in the house. I wish they would have taken the dog in.

I wonder if they could still get a scent at this late stage.


my bold-

I dont know, cause they sure thought of searching the outside (yes due to the borrowing of a shovel incident) I also never heard they were in the house but if I remember cadaverine isnt typically produced for about an hour and if the body was quickly removed the dogs might not have hit inside anyways

Balthazar
06-07-2009, 08:31 AM
This is just an observation, but was anyone else struck by the fact that (and I'm assuming here) Cindy was calling Casey multiple times between 2 - 4 am every time Casey was supposedly working? The thing is, if Casey were a real event planner (which she's not) and if she actually was working (which she was not) she could have been fired for those calls because the nature of event planning work requires the planner to be client ready at all times. There is no time for personal calls during an event for an event planner. It makes me wonder how much Cindy interfered with Casey's real job at Universal and if Cindy's interference is why Casey just quit working.

BondJamesBond
06-10-2009, 09:08 AM
Did Jesse ever say what that phone call was about ? I don't remember it being covered in an interview. I am curious as to why she would call Jesse, when she was trying to find a sitter for Caylee so that she could hurry back to Tony and Fusion...?

IIRC, Jesse did indicate that the nature of this call was Casey lamenting about her parents fighting and that she was going to have to find a place of her own. I hope you'll forgive me for not sourcing that recollection and just consider it FWIW.

This is problematic (a thread full of my ridiculous musings on the topic in "Amy's move-in with Casey explained" (or something similar to that) and "Tony's Statements tied to 6/15" (ditto). In those threads I tried to piece together the timing of Casey telling this story to Amy & Tony as indicative of when the deed went down.

Problem is...on the morning of 6/17 Casey gave Amy the Hopespring address so Amy could forward her mail :banghead: Although Casey later tells Amy things have fallen apart too, and I think Amy may have even said Casey's 6/16 afternoon call involved Casey telling about G&C fighting...the timing of this little forwarding-address detail just throws a monkey wrench into things for me.

Casey also told Tony the story about G&C fighting and not wanting Caylee to be around for that when she came to his place, IIRC.

Letting my mind wander a bit...(alright...alot :D)

I find it interesting that - as far as we know - Casey didn't seem to ever ask Jesse or Amy to watch Caylee. Apart from her legit babysitters (Lauren G., Kristina C. etc.) it doesn't seem that Casey ever really left Caylee with anyone on a whim...except Cindy, of course. :waitasec:

Perhaps Casey made pre-arrangements w/ Cindy the morning of 6/16 for an afternoon drop-off @ Gentiva??? :waitasec: Did Cindy call Casey @ 5:56PM on 6/16 expecting Casey to be showing up @ Gentiva w/ Caylee????

Let's look @ some specific instances to see if a pattern develops...:sleuth:

Monday, 6/9:As noted before, there is also a "flurry" of calls to Cindy on the afternoon of Monday, 6/9 when Casey ended up taking Caylee to Ricardo's for the night. On that afternoon Cindy also placed a cell phone call to Casey @ 5:42PM for a 6-minute conversation.

Thursday, 6/12:On Thursday, 6/12, Cindy also placed a cell phone call to Casey @ 5:44PM for a 20-minute conversation. In this instance, Casey left Tony's and went directly to G&C's. - driving home as she talked to Cindy on the phone.

Friday, 6/13It has been speculated that Casey pre-planned a Friday, 6/13, Caylee drop-off w/ Cindy @ Gentiva, explaining how Caylee got safely to G&C's, yet there being an absence of calls 'tween Casey & Cindy that afternoon. This pre-planning would have had to have occurred 'tween Casey & Cindy before Cindy left for work Friday morning 6/13. The timing for a 6/13 drop-off would have been ~5:23PM (based on Casey's cell ping and call to Jesse @ this time...which would have been enroute to/from Gentiva).


Monday, 6/16: :( Cindy appears to have had her cell phone off all day Monday, 6/16, until she attempted to call Casey in the evening ~5:56PM, IIRC, at which time Casey appears to have rejected* her call :eek: Speculating a rejected call since Casey's phone record does not show Cindy's incoming call, yet it does show a message waiting notification text 2 mins after Cindy placed the call. Timing of Casey turning her phone back on between 5:56 & 5:57PM is possible, but, unlikely, IMHO.

Noted before that we don't get any specific dates referenced by the Gentiva employees of seeing Casey drop off Caylee...only accounts of it happening. It is understandable, but, disappointing that there were no accounts of a drop-off 6/13. We could take this to mean that the exchange sometimes occurred...say...in the parking lot (I know some accounts give Casey going inside).

So....just something else to consider re: "flurry" of calls and what they may be indicating. Perhaps one option is that the "flurry" of calls happen when Casey & Cindy have pre-arranged a drop-off of Caylee in the afternoon and Casey has a change in plans. :waitasec: IOW...Casey attempts to reach Cindy to let her know not to wait around/work later. While this seems overly-considerate & outta character for Casey...perhaps Casey had felt the wrath-of-Cindy if/when she hadn't done this before. Was 6/12 such an instance? Resulting in 6/13 being a perfectly-executed hand-off? :waitasec:

If we go this route...Casey having no record of Cindy's call @ 5:56PM, yet having a message regarding a (~2minute) message waiting from her 5:57:57PM 6/16 is VERY telling IMHO. This would mean IF a pre-arranged drop-off had been planned that Casey was actively avoiding it. This would be a clear indicator that the time of death was pre-5:56PM, or in-progress :shocked2:, IMHO. All built on speculation FWIW.

AZlawyer
06-12-2009, 03:12 PM
IIRC, Jesse did indicate that the nature of this call was Casey lamenting about her parents fighting and that she was going to have to find a place of her own. I hope you'll forgive me for not sourcing that recollection and just consider it FWIW.

This is problematic (a thread full of my ridiculous musings on the topic in "Amy's move-in with Casey explained" (or something similar to that) and "Tony's Statements tied to 6/15" (ditto). In those threads I tried to piece together the timing of Casey telling this story to Amy & Tony as indicative of when the deed went down.

Problem is...on the morning of 6/17 Casey gave Amy the Hopespring address so Amy could forward her mail :banghead: Although Casey later tells Amy things have fallen apart too, and I think Amy may have even said Casey's 6/16 afternoon call involved Casey telling about G&C fighting...the timing of this little forwarding-address detail just throws a monkey wrench into things for me.

Casey also told Tony the story about G&C fighting and not wanting Caylee to be around for that when she came to his place, IIRC.

Letting my mind wander a bit...(alright...alot :D)

I find it interesting that - as far as we know - Casey didn't seem to ever ask Jesse or Amy to watch Caylee. Apart from her legit babysitters (Lauren G., Kristina C. etc.) it doesn't seem that Casey ever really left Caylee with anyone on a whim...except Cindy, of course. :waitasec:

Perhaps Casey made pre-arrangements w/ Cindy the morning of 6/16 for an afternoon drop-off @ Gentiva??? :waitasec: Did Cindy call Casey @ 5:56PM on 6/16 expecting Casey to be showing up @ Gentiva w/ Caylee????

Let's look @ some specific instances to see if a pattern develops...:sleuth:

Monday, 6/9:As noted before, there is also a "flurry" of calls to Cindy on the afternoon of Monday, 6/9 when Casey ended up taking Caylee to Ricardo's for the night. On that afternoon Cindy also placed a cell phone call to Casey @ 5:42PM for a 6-minute conversation.

Thursday, 6/12:On Thursday, 6/12, Cindy also placed a cell phone call to Casey @ 5:44PM for a 20-minute conversation. In this instance, Casey left Tony's and went directly to G&C's. - driving home as she talked to Cindy on the phone.

Friday, 6/13It has been speculated that Casey pre-planned a Friday, 6/13, Caylee drop-off w/ Cindy @ Gentiva, explaining how Caylee got safely to G&C's, yet there being an absence of calls 'tween Casey & Cindy that afternoon. This pre-planning would have had to have occurred 'tween Casey & Cindy before Cindy left for work Friday morning 6/13. The timing for a 6/13 drop-off would have been ~5:23PM (based on Casey's cell ping and call to Jesse @ this time...which would have been enroute to/from Gentiva).


Monday, 6/16: :( Cindy appears to have had her cell phone off all day Monday, 6/16, until she attempted to call Casey in the evening ~5:56PM, IIRC, at which time Casey appears to have rejected* her call :eek: Speculating a rejected call since Casey's phone record does not show Cindy's incoming call, yet it does show a message waiting notification text 2 mins after Cindy placed the call. Timing of Casey turning her phone back on between 5:56 & 5:57PM is possible, but, unlikely, IMHO.

Noted before that we don't get any specific dates referenced by the Gentiva employees of seeing Casey drop off Caylee...only accounts of it happening. It is understandable, but, disappointing that there were no accounts of a drop-off 6/13. We could take this to mean that the exchange sometimes occurred...say...in the parking lot (I know some accounts give Casey going inside).

So....just something else to consider re: "flurry" of calls and what they may be indicating. Perhaps one option is that the "flurry" of calls happen when Casey & Cindy have pre-arranged a drop-off of Caylee in the afternoon and Casey has a change in plans. :waitasec: IOW...Casey attempts to reach Cindy to let her know not to wait around/work later. While this seems overly-considerate & outta character for Casey...perhaps Casey had felt the wrath-of-Cindy if/when she hadn't done this before. Was 6/12 such an instance? Resulting in 6/13 being a perfectly-executed hand-off? :waitasec:

If we go this route...Casey having no record of Cindy's call @ 5:56PM, yet having a message regarding a (~2minute) message waiting from her 5:57:57PM 6/16 is VERY telling IMHO. This would mean IF a pre-arranged drop-off had been planned that Casey was actively avoiding it. This would be a clear indicator that the time of death was pre-5:56PM, or in-progress :shocked2:, IMHO. All built on speculation FWIW.

This really makes sense to me as an alternative explanation for the "flurry" of calls in the late afternoon of the 16th--thanks!

Searchfortruth
06-20-2009, 07:12 PM
IIRC, Jesse did indicate that the nature of this call was Casey lamenting about her parents fighting and that she was going to have to find a place of her own. I hope you'll forgive me for not sourcing that recollection and just consider it FWIW.

This is problematic (a thread full of my ridiculous musings on the topic in "Amy's move-in with Casey explained" (or something similar to that) and "Tony's Statements tied to 6/15" (ditto). In those threads I tried to piece together the timing of Casey telling this story to Amy & Tony as indicative of when the deed went down.

Problem is...on the morning of 6/17 Casey gave Amy the Hopespring address so Amy could forward her mail :banghead: Although Casey later tells Amy things have fallen apart too, and I think Amy may have even said Casey's 6/16 afternoon call involved Casey telling about G&C fighting...the timing of this little forwarding-address detail just throws a monkey wrench into things for me.

Casey also told Tony the story about G&C fighting and not wanting Caylee to be around for that when she came to his place, IIRC.

Letting my mind wander a bit...(alright...alot :D)

I find it interesting that - as far as we know - Casey didn't seem to ever ask Jesse or Amy to watch Caylee. Apart from her legit babysitters (Lauren G., Kristina C. etc.) it doesn't seem that Casey ever really left Caylee with anyone on a whim...except Cindy, of course. :waitasec:

Perhaps Casey made pre-arrangements w/ Cindy the morning of 6/16 for an afternoon drop-off @ Gentiva??? :waitasec: Did Cindy call Casey @ 5:56PM on 6/16 expecting Casey to be showing up @ Gentiva w/ Caylee????

Let's look @ some specific instances to see if a pattern develops...:sleuth:

Monday, 6/9:As noted before, there is also a "flurry" of calls to Cindy on the afternoon of Monday, 6/9 when Casey ended up taking Caylee to Ricardo's for the night. On that afternoon Cindy also placed a cell phone call to Casey @ 5:42PM for a 6-minute conversation.

Thursday, 6/12:On Thursday, 6/12, Cindy also placed a cell phone call to Casey @ 5:44PM for a 20-minute conversation. In this instance, Casey left Tony's and went directly to G&C's. - driving home as she talked to Cindy on the phone.

Friday, 6/13It has been speculated that Casey pre-planned a Friday, 6/13, Caylee drop-off w/ Cindy @ Gentiva, explaining how Caylee got safely to G&C's, yet there being an absence of calls 'tween Casey & Cindy that afternoon. This pre-planning would have had to have occurred 'tween Casey & Cindy before Cindy left for work Friday morning 6/13. The timing for a 6/13 drop-off would have been ~5:23PM (based on Casey's cell ping and call to Jesse @ this time...which would have been enroute to/from Gentiva).


Monday, 6/16: :( Cindy appears to have had her cell phone off all day Monday, 6/16, until she attempted to call Casey in the evening ~5:56PM, IIRC, at which time Casey appears to have rejected* her call :eek: Speculating a rejected call since Casey's phone record does not show Cindy's incoming call, yet it does show a message waiting notification text 2 mins after Cindy placed the call. Timing of Casey turning her phone back on between 5:56 & 5:57PM is possible, but, unlikely, IMHO.

Noted before that we don't get any specific dates referenced by the Gentiva employees of seeing Casey drop off Caylee...only accounts of it happening. It is understandable, but, disappointing that there were no accounts of a drop-off 6/13. We could take this to mean that the exchange sometimes occurred...say...in the parking lot (I know some accounts give Casey going inside).

So....just something else to consider re: "flurry" of calls and what they may be indicating. Perhaps one option is that the "flurry" of calls happen when Casey & Cindy have pre-arranged a drop-off of Caylee in the afternoon and Casey has a change in plans. :waitasec: IOW...Casey attempts to reach Cindy to let her know not to wait around/work later. While this seems overly-considerate & outta character for Casey...perhaps Casey had felt the wrath-of-Cindy if/when she hadn't done this before. Was 6/12 such an instance? Resulting in 6/13 being a perfectly-executed hand-off? :waitasec:

If we go this route...Casey having no record of Cindy's call @ 5:56PM, yet having a message regarding a (~2minute) message waiting from her 5:57:57PM 6/16 is VERY telling IMHO. This would mean IF a pre-arranged drop-off had been planned that Casey was actively avoiding it. This would be a clear indicator that the time of death was pre-5:56PM, or in-progress :shocked2:, IMHO. All built on speculation FWIW.

:clap::clap::clap:

Thank you SO much BJB for this excellent post ! You really have a gift ! I had never thought of the phone call pattern this way, but patterns are human nature and this does make sense ! I am going to say once again, though many have echoed the same sentiments, I SO appreciate ALL the hard work you and the other fine WS'ers have provided for us other WS'ers !!!!!!!!!

BondJamesBond
06-21-2009, 07:11 PM
:clap::clap::clap:

Thank you SO much BJB for this excellent post ! You really have a gift ! I had never thought of the phone call pattern this way, but patterns are human nature and this does make sense ! I am going to say once again, though many have echoed the same sentiments, I SO appreciate ALL the hard work you and the other fine WS'ers have provided for us other WS'ers !!!!!!!!!

You're too kind, Search. :blushing: Although I imagine for every one of these TY's there are prolly 10 others groanin', "Don't! Don't encourage him!!" :doh:

I DO hafta join you in the :clap: for all of "the other fine WS'ers" +1 :thumb:!

Kinda OT, but this reminds me of something. After JWG pointed out (and in-character so kindly attributed to the original WS) something a rare-poster highlighted the other day (and we all kinda blew past @ the time)...and recalling a rare-poster that highlighted the apparent delay Casey made on her trip to Tony's 6/16 ~5PM...I'm reminded how many WS's are out there lurking...that have terrific insights that we're not benefiting from yet. True sleuthers IYKWIM. I'd really like to hear more from those folks. Encourage them to share their finds. I mean...geez...I've eaten up enough real estate on this forum already. And I kinda get a chuckle outta peeps lurkin', chortling @ their monitors readin' my posts something like, "Well...DUH!! :doh: idiot :rolleyes:...'bout time you noticed that..."

Back on-topic. I've struggled w/ nailing the transition that had to occur. And by that I mean pre-t.o.d. Casey would've in her m.o. been cordial enough w/ Cindy...esp. when it suited her own selfish needs, but, post-t.o.d. Casey would've avoided Cindy and the transition should be marked. Obviously we see that on 6/17, but, I've always wanted to figure out if we could back that up somehow to learn something about 6/16...and the "flurry" is just sooooo tempting. The phone records regarding the call that Casey didn't get from Cindy, yet, it apparently went into a 2minute vmail, IIRC, to me seems like the possible indicator of when the tide changed...just possibly.

I hafta add too I think it was something that AZLawyer, JWG, et.al. pointed out when we were discussing how Caylee was handed off Friday, 6/13, (one I completely missed :bang:) that made me start thinking along the lines of the 'flurry' being related to a Casey-Cindy pre-arranged Caylee-handoff stand down situation. So...if we ever find out that's what the flurry was all about...then underscore the "other fine WS'ers"...if it turns out to be somethin' else...well...just remember all my speculation comes w/ a money-back guarrantee ...worth exactly what you paid for it ;) Actually, less when you subtract out the value of your time readin' it ;)

Chiquita71
07-10-2009, 03:08 PM
Hello WS ;)

Statement to LE
Lee Anthony
July 29, 2008

LE: ...charged up a little bit. I discussed with your that I was told by Ricardo that on May 31st your sister and her daughter stayed overnight with him.
LA: Uh-hum
LE: But sometime during the night your niece, Caylee was taken somewhere. Because when he woke up your sister was laying in bed next to him but no more child.
LA: Uh-hum
LE: He said that she told him that she took her home and then came back. Your mother, for me, if, while your going over this with your mother, if she can recall that's pretty significant because if mom didn't have Caylee on the first of June...
LA: Uh-hum
LE: Who did?
LA: Right

I knew we had wondered about this night, but I did not know until I read this that LE wonders about that night also. I wonder if they got an answer from Cindy?
Pure speculation on my part: Why would Casey even answer Cindy's message or call to have to take Caylee home in the first place? Maybe it was Casey's decision: maybe Caylee was not sleeping or Casey thought Tony wouldn't try sex in the morning with Caylee there? Would Casey have taken the risk of taking Caylee home and getting stuck there herself? Maybe it was early on enough that Casey gave Cindy a real good line about late late work or Zanny being ill and brought Caylee home to Cindy and was able to leave: to nurse Zanny or go back to 'work.' I hope another WS has better ideas.

...jmo...

ibyoungr
07-10-2009, 05:46 PM
If you read through my previous posts, I touch upon this. LE mistakenly says to Lee that Ricardo says it was May 31st. Ricardo in his interviews says nothing of the sort to LE. Ricardo states "while they were dating" which was between Jan 20th and mid - April.

panama
11-11-2009, 10:31 PM
I tried asking this in the Q&A thread and searching around a bit, but to no avail.

Has anyone determined any times before June 16th where it appears that Caylee was not known to be with anybody? (Not KC, not CA, not TL's random friends, etc.) I'm just wondering whether there's a history of KC storing her somewhere or with someone unknown.

ETA: Well, I guess there's the time when RM wakes up and Caylee's gone but KC's there, but AFAIK CA didn't give a straight/cogent answer about whether Caylee ended up at home. And for all we know KC stuck her in her bed at home... (Unless there are pings to indicate otherwise.) Just wondering about very strong evidence that KC must have been storing her somewhere -- like if everyone specifically remembered that Caylee wasn't with them, that kind of thing.

BondJamesBond
12-29-2010, 11:47 AM
During the dates of 6/9-6/14 there are only a few people who reportedly saw Caylee with KC or whoever. This to me is VERY important in determining where Caylee was after the "fight". This could also support Caylee being put in the trunk prior to the 16th.

~We know Caylee was at Ricardo's the night of the 9th and he saw her before work on the 10th.
~TonE, KC, & Caylee went to the mall to put up flyers on 11th or 12th for an event at Fusion on the 13th.
~Family friends spotted Caylee at a shopping center near the Seminole line 12th.
~Christina/Kristina(?) reportedly met up with KC & Caylee at the JBP on the 12th,13th, or 14th.
~A friend of Casey's, a DJ at a local club, allegedly sees Caylee at Lazzaro's apartment on the 13th.
~Also, Clint reportedly said KC brought Caylee to Fusion on the night of the 13th.

**Note: I will update 1st post to reflect time line when other contribute**

Any others I'm missing?

Quoting post#1 of the thread FYI.

Chiquita71
12-29-2010, 12:18 PM
Here is information from the Websleuths timeline. I had posted this earlier this month on another thread, but maybe it will be of some help here.

2008
June 3rd
Tuesday
Casey text Amy. You need a good distraction from firefighter boy. I'm glad! It's nice to finally feel wanted to(by?)Ric but its like I had to move on to get anything out of him. I stand by my decisions and I'm really starting to like Tony. Everything in due time.

This was transition time for Casey between Ric and Tony. (My note)

June 4th
Wednesday
Computer Message Facebook Casey to Amy 7:33 am
Oh, the times we will have! I can't wait for us to become roomies in another week! Seriously...by the end of next week, it will be just us girls. I can't believe it!
Casey Anthony wrote @ 12:12
Si! Good times to be had, from tonight, until, well, forever. what time do you think your getting done tonight????

Text Messages
AH: I have my tickets girlie! Yay! Now its down to you and Troy.
KC: Done deal!
KC: So I'm not going to lie...Tony is pretty incredible. I can't wait to talk to you tonight!

Casey went to Voyage with Tony and and unknown male. Plus two other people. Was there for a short period of time. It was Troy's(a friend)birthday party. Casey did not spend the night at Tony's apartment.

@ 7:45 pm Casey text to Amy
We smoked, watched one movie, I'm drinking sangria, they're drinking beer, might as well get trashed before he leaves me for a week. I am unsure who she is with.

June 5th
Thursday
Casey misses dinner Ric has waiting for her at his apartment and does not go out to attend Troy's actual birthday party(other birthday party).
Amy texts she totaled her car.
Cindy's birthday.

June 6th
Friday
Casey told(text) Amy she was @ Fusian to look for her boss's daughter. She had missed dinner and told Ric she was working late. He waited for her. He saw the pictures of her @ Fusian later. Said she had to work the whole night.

Tony does not go to school.
George and Cindy go to the beach.
Casey goes to Fusian with Tony. (my note: George and Cindy must have had Caylee)?

June 7th
Saturday
Amy moves into Ricardo's apartment.
Cindy at the beach.

Casey comes over to Ricardo's between 8:00 pm/11:00 pm with Caylee. Ric states they left early morning on the 8th.

June 8th
Sunday
Ricardo says he spoke to Casey and she was @ home the whole day.
Tony states he went with Casey to get a gas can. No mention of the Anthonys being home(or not). Because Casey had run out of gas.

Casey text Troy B. Re: Fusian

June 9th
Monday
@ 7:07 am online from Casey to Brittany
I hope New York is treating you right! Hey girl! Quick question...do you know any girls, that can sing? My boyfriend Tony, and his business partners are looking for an up and coming female R&B artists let me know!!! I appreciate it!
Text @ 12:38 pm Casey to Amy
KC: Alright cool. I'm staying at the boys tonight so we can all hang out. (my note: the "boys" is Ricardo's apartment)
AH: Awesome!
@ 3:36 pm Casey to Amy
KC: Caylee just pooped in her potty for the first time!
@ 5:06 pm online from Casey to Jessica
I miss Shar-nay! They are looking for a complimentary artist, to work with our boy Torion. They obviously want someone that can definitely sing, but that is also marketable. I'll give you Tony's number. If she's interested, have her give him a call.

Casey picked up Tony from school and took him in her car to get his Jeep. Caylee was with them. Went to Subway.

Casey and Caylee show up after 8:00 pm and spend the night @ Ricardo's and stayed overnight. Ric reports this is his last sexual relationship with Casey.

June 9th
Tuesday
Computer usage
Casey adds fliers for June 13th event, Friday Nights That's Dope, with live performance. Doors open @ 10 pm.
Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo's apartment.

June 10th
Wednesday
Casey and Caylee were @ Ricardo's in the morning. They were still there when he left for work.

June 11th
Thursday
Amy's contact with Casey is through text and phone only. Amy and Ricardo go to Voyage. Casey does not go and sends text to Ric stating she had to work.
Casey goes to the mall with Tony to pass out fliers for hip hop event he is having at Fusian on June 13th.
Amy text to Casey circa 12:00 am asks if she is free to chat. Casey responds by text "I should be free between 3 and 6"
KC text to Amy @ 12:18 am: I'm in and out of sleep. Stupid drama.

June 12th
Friday
Casey talks to Amy only through text and phone.
Online messages are all for those to come to Fusian.
@ 6:41 am Jeff H. receives a Fusian message
2(Two)messages to Cameron@ 9:09 pm "So are you going tomorrow night?"

June 13th
Saturday
@ 6:15 am Casey text Amy to say George is in the hospital. Casey tells Ric George had a mini stroke, that is why she did not go to Jacksonville with Amy.
Casey attends Hip Hop Night @ Fusian Night Club with Tony. Casey spends the night @ Tony's apartment.
Ricardo is in Tampa. He comes home the same day. Casey invites Ric to Fusian. Ricardo says, "no."

June 14th
Sunday
Casey text Jamie R to say she will not meet her because she got a speeding ticket the day before.
Amy speaks to Casey only through text and phone.
AH: Hey, do you think we can tow my car to your place? We are going to fix it and sell it. I just have to put it somewhere until my dad can come up to do the work. Probably the first week of July.
AH: Okay I finally got Will going. we are about to leave to see his buddy about towing. Where is Tony's place so I can tell them and the name of it again?
KC: (gives Tony's address @ Sutton Place)
(skip)
AH: We are on our way with the tow truck to my house so we should be @ Tony's in like 30.
KC: Awesome
KC: He said it doesn't matter where you park it.
AH: Awesome. Thanks to you both.
KC: Anytime love! I'll get it towed to the house one day this week.
AH: You don't think we can leave it there?
KC: Actually we probably could. I don't see why not. I'll check with the people @ his clubhouse tomorrow morning.
AH: I'll get a cover for it. It just seem silly to keep towing it.
KC: Agreed. That'll work.

June 15th
Monday
Father's day.
Amy speaks to Casey only though text messages and phone.
Amy text to Casey saying she has cramps for the first time in years.
Casey is @ Tony's with Caylee, she brings Caylee to the Anthony home. Cindy takes Caylee to Mount Dora to visit Great Grandpa. Casey goes back to Tony's. Casey returns to the Anthony's sometime early evening. Possible there is (another)fight between Cindy and Casey.

...js...

Solace
12-29-2010, 12:45 PM
Sorry, I don't remember, I did watch the interviews and did bang my head off the desk until I erased them from my memory.

I see I am not the only one who feels this way about Cindy. George is bad with his constant "you gotta be kiddin me". But Cindy is in a different league. The first time I listened I did get a headache and could not finish. Went back to it a few months later and managed - but either reading or watching is beyond difficult to do. She does not shut her mouth, constantly interrupts with these ludicrous reasons for the lying and then when you think you have heard it all, she says KC and Jeff were thinking of marriage - never do you hear his name, but all of a sudden as a reason for KC not returning she is thinking of marriage and that is fine with Cindy. You have to do a double take because you can't believe you are reading this chit. Right out of One Flew Over .....

But on the other hand, George tells the FBI about Jesse and how he did not like him and wanted to know all about him and how he wanted to know how Jesse was going to take care of KC and Caylee. But he never mentions Jeff Hopkins even though they are thinking of getting married - says Cindy.

No wonder KC thought she could get away with this - her family is willing to make themselves look like absolute idiots in order to save her and she probably knew she would not have a problem with that and was relying on their
backing her.

I think everyone can understand and feel sympathy for Cindy, but when she out and out lies, then she loses the ears she is looking for. No one wants to be lied to. It is very insulting and she does not get that. She knows she is lying about many things to save her daughter. Down deep she knows what she is saying is not true.

They insult everytime they open their mouths. No wonder everyone is looking forward to the trial.

Intermezzo
05-16-2011, 08:04 PM
Bump :bump:

Not sure how to move this thread to the Main Forum

ibyoungr
05-31-2011, 10:13 PM
Back in 2009 I spent sometime doing a minute/to hour play by play on this thread. It is so surreal looking back over the notes. I wish I now could have finished. I believe I got up to the 13th of June.

kma367
06-01-2011, 07:50 PM
One of the biggest difficulties is that many of the initial statements to police are off by about a week, or ten days. I think this was done consciously on Casey's part to further confuse the detectives with B.S. (she said she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, but the number of days between 6/9 and 7/15 is 37 days). I think that definitely the parents were operating on that 6/9 date when they gave their initial statements, i.e. if the last time Casey saw Caylee was 6/9, then the last time we saw her had to have been 6/8.

From what I can piece together from George's statements, he worked at 3:00 and Casey left with Caylee around 1:00 p.m., which is during the hottest part of the day. That's the last time Caylee was seen. We know Tony Lazzaro and Casey went to the Blockbuster that night at 8:00 and Caylee wasn't with them that night. Even leaving Caylee in a car after dark, with the windows up, in Central Florida in June could've led to Caylee's death with or without drugs and duct tape. It's entirely possible that Caylee was left in the car during the hottest part of the day, which would've proved fatal within a couple of hours.

kma367

Shoes
06-01-2011, 11:37 PM
I believe the timeline was off by a week because of Cindy's initial erroneous report to the police, and everyone followed suit in those first few interviews, but once Cindy realized she was off by a week, and was actually in Mt. Dora on the 15th, it all falls into place. Caylee died on the 16th. Cindy saw her the evening before, and George saw her the morning of the 16th. That's the last time George or Cindy saw her, and Casey was with Tony (absent Caylee) by 8pm on the 16th. IMO

tbgo
07-03-2011, 05:43 AM
The timeline is definitely off. Had the body been in better condition, they could have nailed it down as to time of death, hell, cause of death even!