View Full Version : Greta - OTR Wed., 12/17/08 **J.Baez Guest**
WillenFan21
12-17-2008, 09:37 PM
Just an FYI
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 09:38 PM
thankyou that i will watch.:)
FloridaKatz
12-17-2008, 09:56 PM
Doors Open at Showtime.
Expects to cover Caylee story.
10pm Eastern
9pm Central
8pm Mountain
7pm West Coast
nursebeeme
12-17-2008, 09:56 PM
(cough! Cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, coughcoughcoughCOUGH!)!!!!
What? I didn't say anything bad. Just coughing... (but thanks for the heads up)
Pattymarie
12-17-2008, 09:57 PM
Just an FYI
oh geez...was going to go to bed...but instead will pour another glass of wine for this
PGWodehouse
12-17-2008, 09:59 PM
Not sure how long I can stomach him (:sick:) but I'll make sure to tune in. Thanks for the heads-up, Willen.
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:00 PM
Well I guess I wont be watching then:rolleyes: Thanks for the heads up:)Will save my rating for some other show:)
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:00 PM
This should be very interesting! :eek: He's on now! Casey's doing her best to keep it together ~ JB. She has a very structured regimen, kept in her cell away from other inmates. Reading, praying, trying to stay focused.
FloridaKatz
12-17-2008, 10:00 PM
Ugggghhhh. There's Jose.
passionflower
12-17-2008, 10:00 PM
I'll have to read, sick of hearing so many lies from kc and her family...............inc. kc team
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:01 PM
KC's doing her best to keep it together. Ugh.
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:01 PM
Here we go - Baez says Casey's just keeping it together (UGGGGGGGGHHH)
FloridaKatz
12-17-2008, 10:01 PM
JB says KC has a structured day of praying, reading and trying to stay focused, one day at a time.
Says she is very involved in her case.
okiedokietoo
12-17-2008, 10:01 PM
praying...JB says he imagines that part of her time is spent praying
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:02 PM
Regarding Casey's reaction to the remains being found, he's not going to answer respecting Casey's privacy.
mydailyopinions
12-17-2008, 10:02 PM
JB says KC has a structured day of praying, reading and trying to stay focused, one day at a time.
Says she is very involved in her case.
Praying for God to spare her,
Focused on telling the same lie twice,
And counting the days before her rear is toast!
PassTheMotrin
12-17-2008, 10:02 PM
praying...JB says he imagines that part of her time is spent praying
I'll bet. "Oh Lord, please save my a**."
Blue_Dolphin308
12-17-2008, 10:04 PM
Just heard from a friend of mine that there is going to be a press confrence tonite..... Annoucing that the remains ARE Caylees. NOT sure what time, but my friend told me is should be any minute
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:04 PM
I'll bet. "Oh Lord, please save my a**."
Heh. This is a little different, the way Baez is, isn't it?
ExpectingUnicorns
12-17-2008, 10:04 PM
JB says it takes 2 to 3 days to make a DNA match and we're going on a week now.
I haven't heard of such a quick turn around. Have any of you?
PGWodehouse
12-17-2008, 10:04 PM
Baez: Hard to tell facts from fiction in this case.
Kind of like listening to KC, eh, Baez?
momtective
12-17-2008, 10:05 PM
So far he's said a lot of nothing!
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 10:05 PM
Hopes case not tried in Orlando. Hearing on this shortly. Has place in mind and trying to keep confidential.
desertmom
12-17-2008, 10:05 PM
I'm watching Greta on Fox...she is interviewing JB - I haven't heard or seen anything about an imminent press conference? I'll keep watching!
DazzlinDebSD
12-17-2008, 10:05 PM
I like Greta!!! She has class!!!
mydailyopinions
12-17-2008, 10:06 PM
Baez: Hard to tell facts from fiction in this case.
Kind of like listening to KC, eh, Baez?
Facts From Fiction?
Which Nanny is he referring to? The one in the park, or the one at the apartments? Or the one in Casey's mind?
bxorlsea
12-17-2008, 10:06 PM
He can request Antarctica as a trial location, it still would not change the fact that KC is a monster!!!!
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:06 PM
Baez: Hard to tell facts from fiction in this case.
Kind of like listening to KC, eh, Baez?
Here we go. LKB. Oh must we. Only hears what her husband says about the case on the media.
PGWodehouse
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
LKB on now.
Says her role is dealing with forensics in this case, but Baez is lead attorney. :sick:
mydailyopinions
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
He can request Antarctica as a trial location, it still would not change the fact that KC is a monster!!!!
LOL and the fires of hell will still be burning underneath her!
nancy botwin
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
JB says it takes 2 to 3 days to make a DNA match and we're going on a week now.
I haven't heard of such a quick turn around. Have any of you?
Dr. Kathy Reichs' affidavit attached to Baez's last round of motions also said DNA-based identification takes 2-3 days. This is consistent with other things I've read. I think they've had the ID for awhile.
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
JB won't disclose where he want's the trial moved to.
anastacia129
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
LOL awesome!!!!!!!!
momtective
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
LK Baden on now...say's she is going to be in working the forensics issues...how fitting since her hubby is a scientist.
TopGunner
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
I have fox news on, nothing...
What channel/station is Greta on?
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:07 PM
ROFL LKB has not even met KC yet....boy is she in for a treat.
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 10:08 PM
Oh, they were "being followed" everywhere they went.........SURE they were......they made their cameos appearances on all the stations.
PassTheMotrin
12-17-2008, 10:08 PM
JB says it takes 2 to 3 days to make a DNA match and we're going on a week now.
I haven't heard of such a quick turn around. Have any of you?
When my cousin was murdered and dumped in the Nevada desert it took over two weeks for his DNA to come back after his remains were found.
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:08 PM
Baez is full of IT.
Since when does the defense get to pick what city/town the trial will be held? He's saying he has motioned the court as to where he wants it and he wants it kept a secret.:crazy::crazy:
okiedokietoo
12-17-2008, 10:08 PM
JbB referring to change of venue location as a "market".
Jb says very hard to tell fact from fiction in this case ...huh?
LKB
Greta:what is your role in this case
LKB:JB lead counsel, dealing with forensic issues//advising JB
LKB says they aren't getting discovery / need it on a quicker pace
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:09 PM
Baez is full of IT.
Since when does the defense get to pick what city/town the trial will be held? He's saying he has motioned the court as to where he wants it and he wants it kept a secret.:crazy::crazy:
Have they really filed that? I wasn't aware that they had...but I was focused on other stuff so I coulda missed it.
nancy botwin
12-17-2008, 10:09 PM
ROFL LKB has not even met KC yet....boy is she in for a treat.
I actually have special personal fantasies about that meeting. I feel LKB seems like something of a pitbull. And no lawyer wants a client who lies constantly and constantly changes their lies. I think LKB would regulate Casey hardcore and I'd love to see it!! I bet Casey will HATE LKB. I bet they will have VERY minimal interaction.
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 10:09 PM
He can request Antarctica as a trial location, it still would not change the fact that KC is a monster!!!!
I heard the poll of WS'ers on planet Mars overwhelmingly showed KC as guilty as charged. LWOP. For Saturn the votes are not all in yet from its moons.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:10 PM
Hopes case not tried in Orlando. Hearing on this shortly. Has place in mind and trying to keep confidential.
Having some family in FL, I'm trying to think of where he has in mind. :waitasec: MOO
momtective
12-17-2008, 10:10 PM
Phil Keating...Aug 5th sent a photographer into the area...absolutely no water! None and no odor. Suggests remains could have been moved there recently.
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:10 PM
Baez is full of IT.
Since when does the defense get to pick what city/town the trial will be held? He's saying he has motioned the court as to where he wants it and he wants it kept a secret.:crazy::crazy:
The judge decides not Baez :rolleyes: Thats why he isnt saying where because he doesnt know :crazy:
TopGunner
12-17-2008, 10:10 PM
Found it...oye, who's that cute announcer?
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:10 PM
This guy says that his photographer says 'clearly' there was no water or body back there on Aug. 5th, and there was no decomp odor. It was dry as a bone...in Florida, in a retention pond....go figure. Guess they know more than the other locals in the neighborhood who stated otherwise.
impatientredhead
12-17-2008, 10:10 PM
When my cousin was murdered and dumped in the Nevada desert it took over two weeks for his DNA to come back after his remains were found.
It took over a month in our case. I requires 2-3 days to process, that does not mean they are waiting at the door with machines fired like some forensic relay team. There is a huge backlog of testing to be done. Getting it back in a week would be a huge rush priority handling of the evidence.
Boston
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Phil Keating.........the location where remains found is approx. 20 houses away from Anthony home. On Aug. 5th the Fox News team was there and took footage of the crime scene. It was dry at that time, and no odor of decomposition. He says just because the remains were found there, doesn't mean the remains have been here all this time. He's suggesting they were moved, and says that's the reason for the specialists.
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
You know, Fox's footage of that area is conveniently weird. Who films where a garbage bag is conveniently laying? How strange is that?
momtective
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Showed video of the area from Aug 5th and it was dry.
Pattymarie
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
um.....don't tell me Greta is gonna play the "devil's advocate" like she did with OJ and go pro KC?!?!?!
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Oh, they were "being followed" everywhere they went.........SURE they were......they made their cameos appearances on all the stations.
Yes, I heard her explanation for not meeting Casey yet. :) I'm not surprised by her comments, knowing what her specialty was during Spector's trial. Every bit of scientific evidence and LE's test results are going to be discredited, in my opinion.
jennyb
12-17-2008, 10:11 PM
I heard the poll of WS'ers on planet Mars overwhelmingly showed KC as guilty as charged. LWOP. For Saturn the votes are not all in yet from its moons.
heh. :blowkiss:
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 10:12 PM
I would suspect Miami. Big town with folks with their minds on other things. I hope they don't come here. I always get called for jury duty and maybe i won't beg off this one.
Chilly Willy
12-17-2008, 10:12 PM
Baez is full of IT.
Since when does the defense get to pick what city/town the trial will be held? He's saying he has motioned the court as to where he wants it and he wants it kept a secret.:crazy::crazy:
It's common for the defense to research public awareness in areas they'd like the trial moved to and to make suggestions to the judge. Ultimately the judge will decide. Geragos did the same thing in the Scott Peterson trial.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:12 PM
Phil Keating...Aug 5th sent a photographer into the area...absolutely no water! None and no odor. Suggests remains could have been moved there recently.
I'm a little suspicious of that too, but not put there by ZG. MOO
Boston
12-17-2008, 10:13 PM
I'm guessing that the body was Buried & it washed up after the flood
anastacia129
12-17-2008, 10:13 PM
How do they know that Aug 5th video is of the exact spot she was found? I mean it could be a video of just the "area". That video can't be confirmation the spot she was found was not underwater at that time, since we don't know where the exact spot is, right now.
PassTheMotrin
12-17-2008, 10:13 PM
According to the No Trespassing sign on the tree, the owner of the property is the City of Orlando.
ExpectingUnicorns
12-17-2008, 10:13 PM
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
Was the film they were showing while they were saying this supposed to have been taken in August, too?
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:13 PM
You know, Fox's footage of that area is conveniently weird. Who films where a garbage bag is conveniently laying? How strange is that?
Woods are woods -- I want to know how they can definitively say that that footage is in THOSE woods, in THAT spot where the body was found? They haven't even had access to the crime scene to KNOW where the body was found.
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:14 PM
Have they really filed that? I wasn't aware that they had...but I was focused on other stuff so I coulda missed it.
It's news to me also. The last time Baez was asked about change of venue he said they were studying other markets for possibilities.
I still say he's full of it.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:14 PM
I would suspect Miami. Big town with folks with their minds on other things. I hope they don't come here. I always get called for jury duty and maybe i won't beg off this one.
The last thing he needs is a real "ZFG" on the jury ~ bad idea if it's Miami! :behindbar MOO
dejavu101
12-17-2008, 10:14 PM
I actually have special personal fantasies about that meeting. I feel LKB seems like something of a pitbull. And no lawyer wants a client who lies constantly and constantly changes their lies. I think LKB would regulate Casey hardcore and I'd love to see it!! I bet Casey will HATE LKB. I bet they will have VERY minimal interaction.
Thank you for saying this, I needed something creative and wickedly fun to focus on...stress relief from these attorneys.
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 10:16 PM
I love Greta, we talked quite a bit during the Jessica Lunsford case. She helped us keep it in the news.
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
nancy botwin
12-17-2008, 10:17 PM
Dr. Baden's final remarks re: Greta saying it's hard to maintain the presumption of innocence for Casey-- "there's degree of culpability-- and whether somebody else was also involved..."
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:17 PM
I personally dont believe anything Fox says. They spend more time spinning things for the defense then for justice for Caylee.JMO
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:17 PM
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
Wouldn't the remains be almost skeletonized by that point if the date of death was 6/16?
Patty G
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
The sign posted in the shot Phil was reporting on says:
Danger, No Trespassing
By Order Of The Owner
City of Orlando
LE has said that the property they are searching is "Private Property"
If anything the sign would have said:
No Trespassing, Private Property :waitasec:
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
Just heard from a friend of mine that there is going to be a press confrence tonite..... Annoucing that the remains ARE Caylees. NOT sure what time, but my friend told me is should be any minute
Are we sure there's going to be a presser tonight? It's already after 10:00pm in Florida.
kathyn2
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
Why couldn't the bag have floated down to this area from somewhere else close by after the hurricanes and rain? Or perhaps animals drug the bag here since the bag didn't appear sealed anymore and parts are scattered? I don't see why the only explanation is that someone moved the body to this spot. How about animals or floating?
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
um.....don't tell me Greta is gonna play the "devil's advocate" like she did with OJ and go pro KC?!?!?!
Sounds like Fox is doing that generally, e.g., GR and makes me think Fox is funding the Defense.
GVS backed off this case for weeks, it wasn't just politics that got in the way and, GR was the only one with coverage but it was always JB.
GVS is now presenting the Defense side and, while there are claims on both sides -- that the crime scene was flooded and not flooded --- spinning the body was not there previously just kicks the whole thing up a few more notches.
I am certain the forensics and the bones being scattered will show both animal and water activity moved them but -- this spin in defense of the defense by Fox is intriguing. Benefactor? $$$$$$$
desertmom
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
Unbelievable!! Dr. Baden is on right now lying and saying that there has been no water in the area where the remains were found and that area had been searched with cadaver dogs and if the body had been there months ago when LE searched it, the dogs would have found it. The truth is not all of that area had been searched with dogs and where the remains were found was underwater at the time LE tried to search it. Talk about taking facts and twisting them around!!!! This is what we all have to look forward to in the upcoming months from the defense team.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
How do they know that Aug 5th video is of the exact spot she was found? I mean it could be a video of just the "area". That video can't be confirmation the spot she was found was not underwater at that time, since we don't know where the exact spot is, right now.
I guess the kid who lives across the street and has for years doesn't know much. He says the area was knee to waist deep in water, like it is every year, July to the dry season which is now. :waitasec:
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 10:18 PM
[quote=panthera;3071716]The last thing he needs is a real "ZFG" on the jury ~ bad idea if it's Miami! :behindbar MOO[/q
I wonder if they'll go after alot of men jurors.
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
That is a very good point, thank you. I was beginning to have doubts but you just pulled me back to reality.:)
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
I wondered about that JWG. I agree with you. The body had also been through a hurricane recently at that point, hadn't it? Flooding and then receding water could have moved it up under a bush, or a layer of leaves, etc. That's why they found it this time, the flooding in that area uncovered it this time, after it receded.
jennyb
12-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Dr. Baden's final remarks re: Greta saying it's hard to maintain the presumption of innocence for Casey-- "there's degree of culpability-- and whether somebody else was also involved..."
:eek::eek::eek:
Mysticj
12-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Phil Keating.........the location where remains found is approx. 20 houses away from Anthony home. On Aug. 5th the Fox News team was there and took footage of the crime scene. It was dry at that time, and no odor of decomposition. He says just because the remains were found there, doesn't mean the remains have been here all this time. He's suggesting they were moved, and says that's the reason for the specialists.
I think in August you probably wouldn't smell it anymore. two months later in the open air. anyone know?
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
Didnt someone in the neighborhood complain of a smell and someone found animal bones and said it was that? Does anyone remember if that was around that time?
essies
12-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Dr. Baden's final remarks re: Greta saying it's hard to maintain the presumption of innocence for Casey-- "there's degree of culpability-- and whether somebody else was also involved..."
"whether somebody else was also involved"-well-who might that be?:waitasec:
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
There were smells in the area that prompted at least one search.
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm guessing that the body was Buried & it washed up after the flood
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:21 PM
Unbelievable!! Dr. Baden is on right now lying and saying that there has been no water in the area where the remains were found and that area had been searched with cadaver dogs and if the body had been there months ago when LE searched it, the dogs would have found it. The truth is not all of that area had been searched with dogs and where the remains were found was underwater at the time LE tried to search it. Talk about taking facts and twisting them around!!!! This is what we all have to look forward to in the upcoming months from the defense team.
Might as well get used to the lies, come trial time we will hear some WHOPPERS!
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:22 PM
Dr. Baden's final remarks re: Greta saying it's hard to maintain the presumption of innocence for Casey-- "there's degree of culpability-- and whether somebody else was also involved..."
Very interesting comment, huh?
mydailyopinions
12-17-2008, 10:22 PM
Sounds like Fox is doing that generally, e.g., GR and makes me think Fox is funding the Defense.
GVS backed off this case for weeks, it wasn't just politics that got in the way and, GR was the only one with coverage but it was always JB.
GVS is now presenting the Defense side and, while there are claims on both sides -- that the crime scene was flooded and not flooded --- spinning the body was not there previously just kicks the whole thing up a few more notches.
I am certain the forensics and the bones being scattered will show both animal and water activity moved them but -- this spin in defense of the defense by Fox is intriguing. Benefactor? $$$$$$$
Its all about the ratings IMHO. No one believes in Casey, so the more drama they can bring, the higher the ratings..what better drama than bringing the defense on?
jennyb
12-17-2008, 10:22 PM
I've decided not to get sucked into this water/no water bs. The prosecution will shoot it down in two seconds flat --
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:23 PM
Unbelievable!! Dr. Baden is on right now lying and saying that there has been no water in the area where the remains were found and that area had been searched with cadaver dogs and if the body had been there months ago when LE searched it, the dogs would have found it. The truth is not all of that area had been searched with dogs and where the remains were found was underwater at the time LE tried to search it. Talk about taking facts and twisting them around!!!! This is what we all have to look forward to in the upcoming months from the defense team.
Yea I find it funny Baden has ties with Fox network. Things that make ya go hmmm
ExpectingUnicorns
12-17-2008, 10:23 PM
The sign posted in the shot Phil was reporting on says:
Danger, No Trespassing
By Order Of The Owner
City of Orlando
LE has said that the property they are searching is "Private Property"
If anything the sign would have said:
No Trespassing, Private Property :waitasec:
Yes, Patty G, that's why I was asking in my earlier post if they had actually said that the film clip we were watching was the same one they were commenting on. Lots of times their comments and clips aren't in sync.
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm guessing that the body was Buried & it washed up after the flood
I think it was likely buried too, in a very shallow grave and with all the rain from summer thunderstorms, the area flooded and the body washed out of the grave and came to rest where it was found when the water receded.
mydailyopinions
12-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Unbelievable!! Dr. Baden is on right now lying and saying that there has been no water in the area where the remains were found and that area had been searched with cadaver dogs and if the body had been there months ago when LE searched it, the dogs would have found it. The truth is not all of that area had been searched with dogs and where the remains were found was underwater at the time LE tried to search it. Talk about taking facts and twisting them around!!!! This is what we all have to look forward to in the upcoming months from the defense team.
They can complain about this all they like, fingerprints from the duct tape, and a body being found regardless of when, isn't a victory for them! It doesn't matter anymore where and when, she has been found, and they are screwed.
cocowiley
12-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Unbelievable!! Dr. Baden is on right now lying and saying that there has been no water in the area where the remains were found and that area had been searched with cadaver dogs and if the body had been there months ago when LE searched it, the dogs would have found it. The truth is not all of that area had been searched with dogs and where the remains were found was underwater at the time LE tried to search it. Talk about taking facts and twisting them around!!!! This is what we all have to look forward to in the upcoming months from the defense team.
searched by the same dogs that cindy and no doubt the defense will say did NOT hit any scent in the car or the backyard? if they are going to try and discredit cadaver dogs when the evidence is against them they can't turn around and say cadaver dogs are credible when they think it would be in their favour!
(i hope this makes sense, my brain is about to explode)
Pattymarie
12-17-2008, 10:24 PM
I think in August you probably wouldn't smell it anymore. two months later in the open air. anyone know?
If my man, Phil Keating starts spouting for the defense...i will be so sad.
nancy botwin
12-17-2008, 10:24 PM
I think in August you probably wouldn't smell it anymore. two months later in the open air. anyone know?
I agree with JWG-- I don't think the remains would smell a lot at that point-- The "wet decomposition" phase is the most odiferous phase-- it would have been completed by August-- I've read that submerged remains can maintain the putrification smell for much longer and that newly submerged remains emit odor--
If the remains decayed in the open originally and then the area was flooded, I think putrification and wet decomp would have been over by August.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
I wonder if they'll go after alot of men jurors.
That could work both ways. Some might find her attractive and others be sympathetic toward JG & TL and all other guys she's lied to and stolen from. MOO :)
anastacia129
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
I've decided not to get sucked into this water/no water bs. The prosecution will shoot it down in two seconds flat --
Right, it had to be there for awhile for bones to be so scattered and mixed in the dirt.
Chilly Willy
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
Dr. Baden's final remarks re: Greta saying it's hard to maintain the presumption of innocence for Casey-- "there's degree of culpability-- and whether somebody else was also involved..."
Isn't Baden on the defense team? Nothing like admitting your client is guilty on national TV. :eek:
charo
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
Somewhere on this forum is the total rain amounts for the days in June and July up until Hurricane Faye. I live in Florida- approximately 2 hrs from the crime scene and i personally do not remember much rain in June and July. Quite a twist I think- Like Phil Keating said- LE either missed it or someone just put the body there or moved it- Is it a possibility the body was someplace else and someone moved it to that area when the hurricane came through so it would be covered with water? Is there an accomplice? Could she have told someone when she was out on bail what happened and asked them to move it? If LE searched that area with the dogs and there was no water as stated tonight, the dogs would not have missed it I dont gather- its getting worse and worse
Boston
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
Was the film they were showing while they were saying this supposed to have been taken in August, too?
Yes...
anastacia129
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
what ever happened to kobi? he is mia from NG and the baez group.
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 10:26 PM
Why couldn't the bag have floated down to this area from somewhere else close by after the hurricanes and rain? Or perhaps animals drug the bag here since the bag didn't appear sealed anymore and parts are scattered? I don't see why the only explanation is that someone moved the body to this spot. How about animals or floating?
Exactly!!!
Many have described it as an area that takes storm drain runoff, and so it floods and recedes often and there has been a LOT of rain. So it makes sense that both water and animal activity could have moved bones across almost an acre. That takes some time.
Also, the reason why LE may have been removing palmettos and shrubs is that remains could be trapped within them, deposited and left from the last flooding.
oceanblueeyes
12-17-2008, 10:26 PM
Phil Keating...Aug 5th sent a photographer into the area...absolutely no water! None and no odor. Suggests remains could have been moved there recently.
I think the FBI is going to prove otherwise and it was there.
This is an interesting site.
http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/excavation.html
Collection of unburied surface remains
Exposure to the climate accelerates decomposition and destruction and thus it is essential that unburied bodies be removed as soon as possible. Buried bodies are usually not accessible to animals, insects or changes in surface temperature, therefore, the rate of decomposition relies solely on the activity of microorganisms and soil structure. In the case of single or shallow graves, the process of decomposition is usually more rapid, while in mass graves — where bodies are usually packed very tightly and there is little oxygen to promote growth of organisms and decomposition— the bodies may stay well preserved. Unburied bodies are exposed not only to the destructive effects of climate but also animal activity. The potential for animals to destroy or scatter body parts increases with time. The number of bones missing directly correlates to the time elapsed since death. Exposure to environmental elements for prolonged periods also decreases the prospects of positive identification.
I also read that when a body has been placed in a plastic bag it will seal the odor in until the animals come along later and disturbs it. By that time many times decomposition is in its last stages and the smell would no longer be putrid.
imoo
DazzlinDebSD
12-17-2008, 10:26 PM
Hmmmmm......she didn't have you know who on her show......lol!!!
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 10:26 PM
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
In that length of time and the fact she was in two closed garbage bags, I doubt there would be any odor.
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:27 PM
Sounds like Fox is doing that generally, e.g., GR and makes me think Fox is funding the Defense.
GVS backed off this case for weeks, it wasn't just politics that got in the way and, GR was the only one with coverage but it was always JB.
GVS is now presenting the Defense side and, while there are claims on both sides -- that the crime scene was flooded and not flooded --- spinning the body was not there previously just kicks the whole thing up a few more notches.
I am certain the forensics and the bones being scattered will show both animal and water activity moved them but -- this spin in defense of the defense by Fox is intriguing. Benefactor? $$$$$$$
There was some speculation very early on about who was funding JB and there was mention of a well-known journalist. I had almost forgotten about that until you mentioned a benefactor.
okiedokietoo
12-17-2008, 10:27 PM
I respect Dr. B but really I don't believe everything he says not everything the other experts say that have been on news shows recently - because...you can tell that they really don't know all the info like we do here. Those experts just coming into this case would have days, days of reading to catch up with WS'ers.
essies
12-17-2008, 10:27 PM
Isn't Baden on the defense team? Nothing like admitting your client is guilty on national TV. :eek:
That was her husband talking. She says they don't talk about it-but she watches what he says on tv and sometimes disagrees!
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:28 PM
I've decided not to get sucked into this water/no water bs. The prosecution will shoot it down in two seconds flat --
I agree with you. I was actually more interested in if she'd at least tried to bury Caylee or just set the bag under a palmetto and drove away. There's no doubt in my mind who did the deed. MOO
Boston
12-17-2008, 10:28 PM
Why couldn't the bag have floated down to this area from somewhere else close by after the hurricanes and rain? Or perhaps animals drug the bag here since the bag didn't appear sealed anymore and parts are scattered? I don't see why the only explanation is that someone moved the body to this spot. How about animals or floating?
That may be exactly what happened.
Maybe That's why theres such a long trail of bones.
I don't think the spot where the bag was found was the spot that Casey dumped it at...If so then she buried it
autumnlover
12-17-2008, 10:29 PM
I personally dont believe anything Fox says. They spend more time spinning things for the defense then for justice for Caylee.JMO
I completely agree! They're very JB friendly and have spent countless hours interviewing the A's and touring their home. I've always loved Greta but to be honest, I'm finding Fox's coverage somewhat skewed. Between JB's frequent appearances and as cuppy said above, their "spinning things for the defense" it makes me suspect.
cocowiley
12-17-2008, 10:29 PM
what ever happened to kobi? he is mia from NG and the baez group.
he's hanging with larry king now, dontchooknow? :crazy:
seaneb
12-17-2008, 10:29 PM
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
I watched Phil earlier today say it was 75 yards away.
Ms Suzanne
12-17-2008, 10:29 PM
Does anyone have a link to a picture of Casey's defense team.
Annieanne
12-17-2008, 10:30 PM
Exactly how long after death should one be smelling decomposition? On August 5 it had been 50 days, or seven weeks. I submit that at that point there would be very little odor - if any.
Then how come the car would stink after so many days of decomp??
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:30 PM
There was some speculation very early on about who was funding JB and there was mention of a well-known journalist. I had almost forgotten about that until you mentioned a benefactor.
I'm not going to name names but there is one journalist who has a show on the weekends on that channel who admittedly is close friends with JB. :eek: MOO
Chilly Willy
12-17-2008, 10:30 PM
That was her husband talking. She says they don't talk about it-but she watches what he says on tv and sometimes disagrees!
Oh, thanks. I was a bit shocked there for a minute.
TopGunner
12-17-2008, 10:30 PM
what ever happened to kobi? he is mia from NG and the baez group.
He was on LKL last night.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:31 PM
Somewhere on this forum is the total rain amounts for the days in June and July up until Hurricane Faye. I live in Florida- approximately 2 hrs from the crime scene and i personally do not remember much rain in June and July. Quite a twist I think- Like Phil Keating said- LE either missed it or someone just put the body there or moved it- Is it a possibility the body was someplace else and someone moved it to that area when the hurricane came through so it would be covered with water? Is there an accomplice? Could she have told someone when she was out on bail what happened and asked them to move it? If LE searched that area with the dogs and there was no water as stated tonight, the dogs would not have missed it I dont gather- its getting worse and worse
The writing certainly on the wall as to what route the defense is going to take. My question is, the defense can't enter anything imaginary for an imaginary person. So who's the real person they might claim moved this body and I'm sure they will say also killed Caylee? The sheet or whatever found leads back to the A's house. So are they going to throw the A's under the bus? Casey's friends? RG or JG?
FloridaKatz
12-17-2008, 10:31 PM
Having some family in FL, I'm trying to think of where he has in mind. :waitasec: MOO
We're hearing locally that it will be down around Ft. Myers or Naples area.
impatientredhead
12-17-2008, 10:32 PM
Then how come the car would stink after so many days of decomp??
Because the "purge" stage happened in the trunk, probably the source of the basketball sized stain.
LetJusticePrevail
12-17-2008, 10:32 PM
Has anyone heard that there's going to be a press conference at any minute. There's a closed thread about this that Fox news announced it a little while ago. Haven't heard anything. Anyone???
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:32 PM
There was some speculation very early on about who was funding JB and there was mention of a well-known journalist. I had almost forgotten about that until you mentioned a benefactor.
I would suspect Geraldo before I would suspect Greta.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:32 PM
I think the FBI is going to prove otherwise and it was there.
This is an interesting site.
http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/excavation.html
Great info, thanks!
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:33 PM
We're hearing locally that it will be down around Ft. Myers or Naples area.
Interesting! thanks for the tip! :)
impatientredhead
12-17-2008, 10:33 PM
The other thing to keep in mind with the body not being spotted in August is that the vegetation covering the ground is much different in August than it is in December. I think she chucked her down that slope and she wedged underneath that bush throughout the rainfall.
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:33 PM
Didnt someone in the neighborhood complain of a smell and someone found animal bones and said it was that? Does anyone remember if that was around that time?
I think that was when the woman psychic from Ohio was there with her cadaver dog. She was searching behind the school and her dog alerted and they found animal bones. I don't think there were other searches of that area until TES got there and by then it was under water.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:33 PM
i would suspect geraldo before i would suspect greta.
:D :D moo
Patty G
12-17-2008, 10:34 PM
It's not the same spot because the sign says this area is owned by the City of Orlando AND LE has made it known that this is private property they are searching and Baez would need permission from the owner to search their property.
FloridaKatz
12-17-2008, 10:34 PM
I'm not going to name names but there is one journalist who has a show on the weekends on that channel who admittedly is close friends with JB. :eek: MOO
Sickening isn't it. Wonder what they talk about whenever they go out on that big boat of his. Must make JB really feel like a "somebody".
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:34 PM
There was some speculation very early on about who was funding JB and there was mention of a well-known journalist. I had almost forgotten about that until you mentioned a benefactor.
GVS and GR are VERY good friends, I think. Do you think they are slanting to the denfense, hoping to get an 'exclusive' with the elusive Ms. KC? UGH
Then how come the car would stink after so many days of decomp??
The car is enclosed and the underlying surface - steel - is not porous.
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:36 PM
he's hanging with larry king now, dontchooknow? :crazy:
Yeah, he is. However have one thing to say: Kobi himself is a practicing scientist. He really is academically drive and a researcher too, and prides himself on maintaining keeping objectivity. That said, I won't be shocked if as we move forward that Kobi's involvement diminishes. Look at all the egos on the defense team now?
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:36 PM
I've decided not to get sucked into this water/no water bs. The prosecution will shoot it down in two seconds flat --
There's so many people who live in the area across the street from the site, and the prosecution will probably put one or more on the stand to testify that the area was under water until recently.
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:37 PM
The car is enclosed and the underlying surface - steel - is not porous.
Not only that...supposedly the first bag broke during decomp, which would have deposited decomp in the trunk (the basketball sized stain). If the body was put in another bag, and wrapped with duct tape, prior to dumping, then it would probably be 'sealed' until decomp was past odor producing stage? <---feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
nursebeeme
12-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Having some family in FL, I'm trying to think of where he has in mind. :waitasec: MOO I was thinking the keys???
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:38 PM
I think that was when the woman psychic from Ohio was there with her cadaver dog. She was searching behind the school and her dog alerted and they found animal bones. I don't think there were other searches of that area until TES got there and by then it was under water.
I remember that one to but there was also one where someone from the A's neighborhood call in complaining about a smell and they search and found dead animal.Maybe it wasn't the animal making the smell.
oceanblueeyes
12-17-2008, 10:39 PM
Then how come the car would stink after so many days of decomp??
I think she had her back there with a blanket and some trash bags thrown over her but when she took her out to get rid of her she put her into the two black garbage bags.
The decomp fluids had already began to seep in the trunk forcing her to get rid of Caylee's body.
imoo
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 10:40 PM
The writing certainly on the wall as to what route the defense is going to take. My question is, the defense can't enter anything imaginary for an imaginary person. So who's the real person they might claim moved this body and I'm sure they will say also killed Caylee? The sheet or whatever found leads back to the A's house. So are they going to throw the A's under the bus? Casey's friends? RG or JG?
I think she will throw GA under the bus..........NO ONE in the family likes him anyway, so he is the obvious choice.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:41 PM
I remember that one to but there was also one where someone from the A's neighborhood call in complaining about a smell and they search and found dead animal.Maybe it wasn't the animal making the smell.
That's what I remember as well. They also had a copter up one day. This was way before TES came into town.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:41 PM
Sickening isn't it. Wonder what they talk about whenever they go out on that big boat of his. Must make JB really feel like a "somebody".
Yes he's really hit the big times now, hasn't he?! MOO
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 10:42 PM
I remember that one to but there was also one where someone from the A's neighborhood call in complaining about a smell and they search and found dead animal.Maybe it wasn't the animal making the smell.
Yes, I believe that was the people right behind the Anthonys house. Right after that was when GA was liming the yard, and we thought that very suspicious because lime kills decomp smells.
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:42 PM
GVS and JR are VERY good friends, I think. Do you think they are slanting to the denfense, hoping to get an 'exclusive' with the elusive Ms. KC? UGH
What JR are you referring to?
cocowiley
12-17-2008, 10:42 PM
Yeah, he is. However have one thing to say: Kobi himself is a practicing scientist. He really is academically drive and a researcher too, and prides himself on maintaining keeping objectivity. That said, I won't be shocked if as we move forward that Kobi's involvement diminishes. Look at all the egos on the defense team now?
agreed, he seems to be the odd one out at this point.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:42 PM
I think she will throw GA under the bus..........NO ONE in the family likes him anyway, so he is the obvious choice.
And she said he drove her car....Told AL's roomate GA abused her.
impatientredhead
12-17-2008, 10:43 PM
I think she will throw GA under the bus..........NO ONE in the family likes him anyway, so he is the obvious choice.
Could be, but George does evoke sympathy in many that post here.... Cindy on the other hand is almost universally deemed unlikeable and untrustworthy.
raisincharlie
12-17-2008, 10:43 PM
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
I wonder how Fox news knows for a fact they were only 35 feet from where the body was found ? As to Phil Keating up until 2 days ago he was still calling Dr. G a he.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:43 PM
I was thinking the keys???
LOL :D I'll vote for Miami and get 12 Hispanic jurors. Then we'll see how far the defense gets with the ZG did it theory. MOO
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 10:43 PM
I was thinking the keys???
It has to be in reasonable distance because of the time and scheduling of LE. I am guessing up toward Gainesville where he can get younger persons on the jury.
beckaroozie
12-17-2008, 10:43 PM
What JR are you referring to?
Sorry GR -- Geraldo lol
nancy botwin
12-17-2008, 10:45 PM
I think she will throw GA under the bus..........NO ONE in the family likes him anyway, so he is the obvious choice.
:eek:No!:eek:
I would totally rescue-adopt George if it was possible. But yeah, I think you could be onto something.
charo
12-17-2008, 10:45 PM
I was more or less trying to gain everyone elses opinions on what was said on Greta tonight- and i was more or less thinking on the lines of Lee moving the body for her- remember her and Lee were talking during the time she was out on bail- and thank you for remarking that the body could of been washed down to that area by water- or could of been buried and then covered with water- but I really think the dogs still would of picked up on the decomp scent even if she was in 2 bags as they can pick up decomp scent even in water- so how would we explain that- the decomp smell was in her trunk so surely the body stunk of it when she put it in the bags- kind of puzzling- There sure could be a big twist in this case- you never know- maybe this is why lee didnt want to give fingerprints - his prints could be on the bag- just speculation here, I never thought she had an accomplice and still dont but if that turns out to be true and there was no water there and the dogs naturally would of picked up on the smell, something sure is fishy here- makes me wonder anyway. can someone find that post on how much water was there in june and july or tell me how to go search for it?
essies
12-17-2008, 10:45 PM
I think she will throw GA under the bus..........NO ONE in the family likes him anyway, so he is the obvious choice.
I wouldn't be surprised if CA isn't telling GA to throw himself on his sword for KC! And I won't be surprised if he does it!!:bang:
McSev
12-17-2008, 10:46 PM
I think the FBI is going to prove otherwise and it was there.
This is an interesting site.
http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/excavation.html
Collection of unburied surface remains
Exposure to the climate accelerates decomposition and destruction and thus it is essential that unburied bodies be removed as soon as possible. Buried bodies are usually not accessible to animals, insects or changes in surface temperature, therefore, the rate of decomposition relies solely on the activity of microorganisms and soil structure. In the case of single or shallow graves, the process of decomposition is usually more rapid, while in mass graves — where bodies are usually packed very tightly and there is little oxygen to promote growth of organisms and decomposition— the bodies may stay well preserved. Unburied bodies are exposed not only to the destructive effects of climate but also animal activity. The potential for animals to destroy or scatter body parts increases with time. The number of bones missing directly correlates to the time elapsed since death. Exposure to environmental elements for prolonged periods also decreases the prospects of positive identification.
I also read that when a body has been placed in a plastic bag it will seal the odor in until the animals come along later and disturbs it. By that time many times decomposition is in its last stages and the smell would no longer be putrid.imoo
During Saturday nite's GR I recall they group of the defense team complaining that they're experts and being down there could help everybody. I remember thinking "you guys, .. you don't know who they're gonna bring down there or who is already there." And it appears that defense is grumbly now, because begrudgingly, they had to admit LE and the FBI got the experts that the defense hope that they alone had and the LE and FBI didn't. Too bad, defense team. Keep chatting on TV so you feel better.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:46 PM
Turbo, if Caylee was in a swimsuit as stated on NG, and it can be proven GA lied about seeing them on the 16th...man o man that's not going to look good at all.
SuziQ
12-17-2008, 10:47 PM
I was more or less trying to gain everyone elses opinions on what was said on Greta tonight- and i was more or less thinking on the lines of Lee moving the body for her- remember her and Lee were talking during the time she was out on bail- and thank you for remarking that the body could of been washed down to that area by water- or could of been buried and then covered with water- but I really think the dogs still would of picked up on the decomp scent even if she was in 2 bags as they can pick up decomp scent even in water- so how would we explain that- the decomp smell was in her trunk so surely the body stunk of it when she put it in the bags- kind of puzzling- There sure could be a big twist in this case- you never know- maybe this is why lee didnt want to give fingerprints - his prints could be on the bag- just speculation here, I never thought she had an accomplice and still dont but if that turns out to be true and there was no water there and the dogs naturally would of picked up on the smell, something sure is fishy here- makes me wonder anyway. can someone find that post on how much water was there in june and july or tell me how to go search for it?
IMO, if Casey asked for someone to move the body, it would have been for a better less detectable place and not so close to home.
oceanblueeyes
12-17-2008, 10:47 PM
I was more or less trying to gain everyone elses opinions on what was said on Greta tonight- and i was more or less thinking on the lines of Lee moving the body for her- remember her and Lee were talking during the time she was out on bail- and thank you for remarking that the body could of been washed down to that area by water- or could of been buried and then covered with water- but I really think the dogs still would of picked up on the decomp scent even if she was in 2 bags as they can pick up decomp scent even in water- so how would we explain that- the decomp smell was in her trunk so surely the body stunk of it when she put it in the bags- kind of puzzling- There sure could be a big twist in this case- you never know- maybe this is why lee didn't want to give fingerprints - his prints could be on the bag- just speculation here, I never thought she had an accomplice and still don't but if that turns out to be true and there was no water there and the dogs naturally would of picked up on the smell, something sure is fishy here- makes me wonder anyway. can someone find that post on how much water was there in june and july or tell me how to go search for it?
But they have to be dogs that are specifically trained to scent cadavers in water. These were probably just land cadaver dogs.
imoo
MD MOMMY
12-17-2008, 10:48 PM
It has to be in reasonable distance because of the time and scheduling of LE. I am guessing up toward Gainesville where he can get younger persons on the jury.
I was thinking the same thing..Gainesville or Ft. Myers/Cape Coral which has a large population of retired folks who may just feel sorry for KC.
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:48 PM
Sorry GR -- Geraldo lol
Thanks, I thought I was missing something, don't want to do that.:)
MD MOMMY
12-17-2008, 10:48 PM
Turbo, if Caylee was in a swimsuit as stated on NG, and it can be proven GA lied about seeing them on the 16th...man o man that's not going to look good at all.
Nope but it does go along with my theory of GA not seeing them on the 16th.:confused:
Chilly Willy
12-17-2008, 10:49 PM
I was more or less trying to gain everyone elses opinions on what was said on Greta tonight- and i was more or less thinking on the lines of Lee moving the body for her- remember her and Lee were talking during the time she was out on bail- and thank you for remarking that the body could of been washed down to that area by water- or could of been buried and then covered with water- but I really think the dogs still would of picked up on the decomp scent even if she was in 2 bags as they can pick up decomp scent even in water- so how would we explain that- the decomp smell was in her trunk so surely the body stunk of it when she put it in the bags- kind of puzzling- There sure could be a big twist in this case- you never know- maybe this is why lee didnt want to give fingerprints - his prints could be on the bag- just speculation here, I never thought she had an accomplice and still dont but if that turns out to be true and there was no water there and the dogs naturally would of picked up on the smell, something sure is fishy here- makes me wonder anyway. can someone find that post on how much water was there in june and july or tell me how to go search for it?
Bodies under water release gases that float to the surface, at least that's how I understand it. No odors would be released through 2 layers of tightly sealed plastic. I would think though, that the decomposition process would be slower as moisture could not escape the bags.
impatientredhead
12-17-2008, 10:49 PM
IMO, if Casey asked for someone to move the body, it would have been for a better less detectable place and not so close to home.
Totally agree, but during the conversation between Casey and Lee where she tells him she is close, to check the places we hung out at, I think she was trying to tell where to go to get rid of the evidence before this could happen.
okiedokietoo
12-17-2008, 10:50 PM
you know I'm not getting caught up in the water no water thing either - LE had enough evidence to charge KC with murder before the body was found - so water or no water is not going to make a difference except that JB and the Smoke Screen will try to use the "body dumped when KC was in jail" but I don't think it will hold up in court. FBI and OCSO know how to do their jobs and especially with all the media attention they will do their jobs 200%
oceanblueeyes
12-17-2008, 10:50 PM
IMO, if Casey asked for someone to move the body, it would have been for a better less detectable place and not so close to home.
I agree Suzi. She has been there all along and that is why they have spent 8 days and are still finding little bones imo.
whiteangora
12-17-2008, 10:50 PM
I was thinking the same thing..Gainesville or Ft. Myers/Cape Coral which has a large population of retired folks who may just feel sorry for KC.
I lived in Cape Coral 20 years, reason I moved is because it was all people much older than myself. I do not think all of those Grandparents and Great grandparents would have any sympathy for Casey, just the opposite.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:50 PM
Turbo, if Caylee was in a swimsuit as stated on NG, and it can be proven GA lied about seeing them on the 16th...man o man that's not going to look good at all.
We don't know what he told the grand jury though ~ like he might have already backed away from that statement toward "maybe I was mistaken about the date". What he says to the media with CA next to him isn't under oath. MOO
Charge Them All
12-17-2008, 10:51 PM
Nope but it does go along with my theory of GA not seeing them on the 16th.:confused:
I don't believe he saw them on the 16th either.
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 10:52 PM
Back into whats going on, they mentioned the insect people were in the search area now. Here's a demo on decomp using a piglet, but shows info for those not familiar.
http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/index.htm
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 10:52 PM
what ever happened to kobi? he is mia from NG and the baez group.
Sounds like he got shelved when HL and Baden(s) were signed up. He is on the team just to exclude him from access by Prosecution but was previously tainted, having taken both positions on NG.
panthera
12-17-2008, 10:52 PM
I lived in Cape Coral 20 years, reason I moved is because it was all people much older than myself. I do not think all of those Grandparents and Great grandparents would have any sympathy for Casey, just the opposite.
I agree, especially if they saw the last video of Caylee on great grandpa's lap. :(
DotsEyes
12-17-2008, 10:54 PM
Hurricane Katrina moved houses from their foundations. It wasn't the wind, it was the water.
The body could have been anywhere in that area originally and ended up where it was found after the Hurricane (Faye?).
I don't think I could smell a small dead body that had been decaying for 50 days from 225 feet away. (75 yards) And at 75 feet, the wind would have to be blowing in the right direction. So, I am not interested in FOX news' photographer claim.
I also don't think you could tell if there was water or not from those distances. The sides are sloped and there is no telling how deep the bottom, at least we don't know.
Fact/fiction is becomming a problem for Baez? Welcome to ALand.
When will the defense stop whining?
Just what the he** is KC supposed to stay focused on?
"She is very invovled in her case." Elementary, my dear Jose'. Elementary. :)
Leila
12-17-2008, 10:55 PM
I would suspect Geraldo before I would suspect Greta.
As I recall, there was a lot who thought it could be Geraldo, including me. And we know that Geraldo has a personal friendship with JB, centered around their interest in sailing. JB went out with Geraldo on his sailboat.
cuppy199
12-17-2008, 10:55 PM
But they have to be dogs that are specifically trained to scent cadavers in water. These were probably just land cadaver dogs.
imoo
Yep:)
MD MOMMY
12-17-2008, 10:56 PM
I lived in Cape Coral 20 years, reason I moved is because it was all people much older than myself. I do not think all of those Grandparents and Great grandparents would have any sympathy for Casey, just the opposite.
My in-laws live there and yes it's full of older folk.
panthera
12-17-2008, 11:00 PM
As I recall, there was a lot who thought it could be Geraldo, including me. And we know that Geraldo has a personal friendship with JB, centered around their interest in sailing. JB went out with Geraldo on his sailboat.
These experts and defense lawyers don't work for free either and it's kind of coincidental that no sooner were the remains found and LKB showed up on the defense team. The money has to be coming from somewhere! MOO
indicat
12-17-2008, 11:01 PM
Totally agree, but during the conversation between Casey and Lee where she tells him she is close, to check the places we hung out at, I think she was trying to tell where to go to get rid of the evidence before this could happen.
Yes, that is exactly what I think too.
charo
12-17-2008, 11:01 PM
thanks for all your opinions- just trying to make sense out this whole mess- and what all the reporters are stating- and trying to put it togeher- But i also remember the statement about the pool ladder being placed back on the pool- the 16th? and neighbors hearing someone in the pool- was that also the 16th? Maybe Casey caught wind that they already searched on aug 5th in that area where body was found and figured they wouldnt search again and figured that was a safe place to put her back in?????? And remember people seeing GA at Boggie creek? could the body have been there at one point/ Just thinking out loud here- I also want to believe the body was where it was found the whole time but what if it wasnt? someone would be responsible for moving it as Casey was in jail. Will have to await for FNI to tell us their findings and see if they say how long the body was there I guess before we spin our heads here or before I spin my own head here
Beyond Belief, you cannot imagine what I saw when I read, "The insect people were in the scene". Maybe we should just lay back & let them take over. The humanoids aren't anything to brag about.
charo
12-17-2008, 11:04 PM
I think their best bet would be Miami where Jessicas was to move the trial but I have a feeling it will be moved to Naples- (south florida)
panthera
12-17-2008, 11:05 PM
Totally agree, but during the conversation between Casey and Lee where she tells him she is close, to check the places we hung out at, I think she was trying to tell where to go to get rid of the evidence before this could happen.
I'm not ruling that out at all. MOO
panthera
12-17-2008, 11:06 PM
I think their best bet would be Miami where Jessicas was to move the trial but I have a feeling it will be moved to Naples- (south florida)
No matter what part of the state I don't see her escaping conviction. :behindbar MOO
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 11:12 PM
IMO, if Casey asked for someone to move the body, it would have been for a better less detectable place and not so close to home.
Exactly!!!
The accomplice would have taken it a few hours away or a place it would never have been found -- there were enough suggestions on here -- like alligator alley.
The kidnapper would have hidden the body in another state or someplace far away because as much as -- in a conspiracy theory -- the implication is they'd frame KC -- they don't know if they messed up on forensics that could connect them. Why risk it?
This is a KC childhood 'comfort zone' and, to me, the body was never moved and she hid Caylee here as they hid their pets so she was close and could secretly visit her. KC was not being rational as a murderer in this, this was the Mother in her.
It was a stretch for this to be a kidnapping and even a greater stretch for the kidnapper to kill her (no ransom, why?) and not love her and, an ever greater stretch to kill and hide in KC's secret hiding place to frame KC!!!
sweetmop
12-17-2008, 11:14 PM
I personally dont believe anything Fox says. They spend more time spinning things for the defense then for justice for Caylee.JMO
I feel the same way, cuppy.:) They are far from fair and unbiased reporting that they tout about themselves!
boogiebear
12-17-2008, 11:19 PM
I only wish that when people(media) get the chance to actually ask a hard question, that they actually ask a hard question. The extra softball treatment of the A's the night before the body was found on Larry King, just upset me.
I would like someone to ask Biaz two questions. First if the body was dead before the day that CA called the police than how did KC talk to little Caylee?
Second, if the duct tape has KC's fingerprints all over the inside of the wrapped tape, then what defense can he have?
I know no one will ask, and it would not be answered, but I am curious.
charo
12-17-2008, 11:19 PM
also dont see her escaping conviction- even if someone did move the body or whatever, shes still responsible for the killing I think- if someone moved it at a later date or had it stored somewhere and dropped in in that area later on, they can be convicted as an accomplish- but casey will pay. one more piece of mystery- I have tried and tried to get through to NG show and cant- I have always wondered why Lees house was never searched, why his yard was never searched-I have wanted to ask this question for a long time now- anyone else ever wonder why? Maybe this would go along with her statement "I dont know where Caylee is"- maybe she dont really know- if someone else placed her there at a later date-
DianeB
12-17-2008, 11:22 PM
Exactly!!!
The accomplice would have taken it a few hours away or a place it would never have been found -- there were enough suggestions on here -- like alligator alley.Unless of course the hypothetical accomplice either couldn't find it, or discovered to his/her chagrin that it was underwater and thus unretrievable.
cyberborg
12-17-2008, 11:24 PM
As I recall, there was a lot who thought it could be Geraldo, including me. And we know that Geraldo has a personal friendship with JB, centered around their interest in sailing. JB went out with Geraldo on his sailboat.
Maybe GR is funding a KC exclusive to recover from the Capone's Vault thing, his final hurrah before he retires? He has the scoop on a major twist.
When we see the exclusive we will all say, "Now I understand, now it all makes sense".
Good post cyberborg.
Not only was it kc's private hangout and pet cemetary.. it was admittedly where the kids went to make out and smoke.. things they hid from their parents.
IIRC They did mention a shallow grave on dec 11-12 when the news had just broken. It would be easy to believe that when buried.. the decomp was well advanced. I believe the hurricane did wash it to shore. TM stated that the area was fenced off last time they tried to check there.. so dogs probably couldnt access it either.
As for the Non Nanny doing this.. it doesnt make sense. She took Caylee.. then killed her and somehow managed to put her in KCs trunk for days- then managed to find out where KC's secret childhood zone was to drop the body? Did the nanny also get into the house to get something to implicate the A's? Do normal people not change the locks when they find out someone else may have a key? I had to replace my locks at one time.. and I also built and installed rebar grids for the lower windows.
Truthwillsetufree
12-17-2008, 11:26 PM
JB says KC has a structured day of praying, reading and trying to stay focused, one day at a time.
Says she is very involved in her case.
I never doubted for one second her involvement JB:bang:
Truthwillsetufree
12-17-2008, 11:30 PM
Oh, they were "being followed" everywhere they went.........SURE they were......they made their cameos appearances on all the stations.
Well, when you call the media and tell them where you are and where you are going I guess they will follow you. Hello?
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 11:31 PM
also dont see her escaping conviction- even if someone did move the body or whatever, shes still responsible for the killing I think- if someone moved it at a later date or had it stored somewhere and dropped in in that area later on, they can be convicted as an accomplish- but casey will pay. one more piece of mystery- I have tried and tried to get through to NG show and cant- I have always wondered why Lees house was never searched, why his yard was never searched-I have wanted to ask this question for a long time now- anyone else ever wonder why? Maybe this would go along with her statement "I dont know where Caylee is"- maybe she dont really know- if someone else placed her there at a later date-
I think she knows now. LE is doing their job.
charo
12-17-2008, 11:31 PM
was Casey in jail on august 5th? I cant recall when they took her back to jail on murder charges- she could of heard hearsay that this area was searched and cleared and wanted lee to go move the body and when he had the chance, it was too late as it was filled with water- he did disappear for quite awhile- he traveled around and maybe didnt have a chance to get back in time before Faye came through. JMO I never trusted lee but never wanted to believe he was involved but this kind of sways my mind just a tidbit
Capri
12-17-2008, 11:32 PM
These experts and defense lawyers don't work for free either and it's kind of coincidental that no sooner were the remains found and LKB showed up on the defense team. The money has to be coming from somewhere! MOO
Todd Black quoted as saying some of the funding is coming from the "defense fund."
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 11:36 PM
Turbo, if Caylee was in a swimsuit as stated on NG, and it can be proven GA lied about seeing them on the 16th...man o man that's not going to look good at all.
That is why I said this may be KC's saving grace here............since the ONLY proof she took Caylee was GA & CA and now they have proved themselves to be such liars, it could be said they were lying not to protect KC but to protect themselves.
Beyond Belief
12-17-2008, 11:38 PM
was Casey in jail on august 5th? I cant recall when they took her back to jail on murder charges- she could of heard hearsay that this area was searched and cleared and wanted lee to go move the body and when he had the chance, it was too late as it was filled with water- he did disappear for quite awhile- he traveled around and maybe didnt have a chance to get back in time before Faye came through. JMO I never trusted lee but never wanted to believe he was involved but this kind of sways my mind just a tidbit
Its just too bad all those protestors hanging around that neighborhood all those months didn't put their energy into something productive and search the entire neighborhood.
What a waste of time hanging out in front of the Anthony home.
Ocean Lover
12-17-2008, 11:41 PM
I guess the kid who lives across the street and has for years doesn't know much. He says the area was knee to waist deep in water, like it is every year, July to the dry season which is now. :waitasec:I guess Tim M is lying too! Just a new spin for the defense so they can say it was the nanny. We can see right through them on this one.
That is why I said this may be KC's saving grace here............since the ONLY proof she took Caylee was GA & CA and now they have proved themselves to be such liars, it could be said they were lying not to protect KC but to protect themselves.
Good Point turbo-- IIRC CA took Caylee swimming after they came back from mt dora. This tends to point to the time of death within hours if Caylee was still wearing her swimsuit. Just speculation on my part.
TURBOTHINK
12-17-2008, 11:42 PM
I was thinking the same thing..Gainesville or Ft. Myers/Cape Coral which has a large population of retired folks who may just feel sorry for KC.
I am thinking they want the younger less educated jurors for this case. There is a lot to absorb in this case, and the dumber the jurors, the better off the defense will be.
truthsleuth
12-17-2008, 11:43 PM
Beyond Belief, you cannot imagine what I saw when I read, "The insect people were in the scene". Maybe we should just lay back & let them take over. The humanoids aren't anything to brag about.
lol Ah, so true,Tuba.:rolleyes:
Truthwillsetufree
12-17-2008, 11:44 PM
I was thinking the keys???
Cuba.
charo
12-17-2008, 11:47 PM
Its very interesting to hear everyones opinions and theories- but I guess we can guess and speculate and produce theories all we want- we really wont know the truth until the trial and maybe not even then- - or at least we will know how long the body has been there when the FBI releases their statements- Sure isnt hurting anything by trying to figure it out- and we sure can come up with some good thoughts I noticed and anything is possible with this case.
i.b.nora
12-18-2008, 12:05 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/Body_plan.jpg
GenealogyKR
12-18-2008, 12:16 AM
Here we go - Baez says Casey's just keeping it together (UGGGGGGGGHHH)
I wonder if she's using "duck tape"?
MD MOMMY
12-18-2008, 12:19 AM
I am thinking they want the younger less educated jurors for this case. There is a lot to absorb in this case, and the dumber the jurors, the better off the defense will be.
See, I was thinking the elderly b/c some of them aren't all there..not to be mean and I'm not saying all old people are losing it lol.
Friday
12-18-2008, 12:32 AM
The sign posted in the shot Phil was reporting on says:
Danger, No Trespassing
By Order Of The Owner
City of Orlando
LE has said that the property they are searching is "Private Property"
If anything the sign would have said:
No Trespassing, Private Property :waitasec:
IIRC, the ownership of that property changed sometime between July and now. I wish I could remember where I heard this, but I can't. It's worth checking out though, before discounting the pix Phil showed.
sweetwater
12-18-2008, 12:33 AM
Beyond Belief, you cannot imagine what I saw when I read, "The insect people were in the scene". Maybe we should just lay back & let them take over. The humanoids aren't anything to brag about.
Best of Thread Award
OMG
:clap::clap::clap:
Friday
12-18-2008, 12:40 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/Body_plan.jpg
Thanks Nora, your map is just what I needed!
Why does everyone keep saying the Ants house was 15 houses away from the scene, when it's 21 houses away?
Thanks again.
nostoneunturned
12-18-2008, 12:52 AM
looked in the orange clerk link and found out that Cindy and George are supposed to give a statement in the Zenida Verses Casey hearing 12/22 also saw where Lee got a ticket 9/19 probably trying to get away from the media. Lots of interesting stuff.
Salem
12-18-2008, 12:54 AM
IMO, if Casey asked for someone to move the body, it would have been for a better less detectable place and not so close to home.
Not if they were counting on this spot having been previously searched. Then they would expect that it had the "all clear" so what better place to put the remains?
Salem
Secretsolver
12-18-2008, 12:59 AM
Somewhere on this forum is the total rain amounts for the days in June and July up until Hurricane Faye. I live in Florida- approximately 2 hrs from the crime scene and i personally do not remember much rain in June and July. Quite a twist I think- Like Phil Keating said- LE either missed it or someone just put the body there or moved it- Is it a possibility the body was someplace else and someone moved it to that area when the hurricane came through so it would be covered with water? Is there an accomplice? Could she have told someone when she was out on bail what happened and asked them to move it? If LE searched that area with the dogs and there was no water as stated tonight, the dogs would not have missed it I dont gather- its getting worse and worse
I live 15 minutes away and the funny thing about Florida is that I can be having the worst rainstorm on my street and someone just 2 blocks away could be laying in the sun with no rain in sight.
A rainy day in Orlando can also mean a sunny day in Kissimmee
3dogmom
12-18-2008, 01:18 AM
I wonder if she's using "duck tape"?
:clap: Good one
newsjunkie
12-18-2008, 01:24 AM
Somewhere on this forum is the total rain amounts for the days in June and July up until Hurricane Faye.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORL/2008/6/16/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
This is a website that JWG posted about on another thread. I don't know if it gives totals necessarily, but it gives daily amounts by the hour out by the airport, I believe.
Annieanne
12-18-2008, 01:36 AM
IIRC, the ownership of that property changed sometime between July and now. I wish I could remember where I heard this, but I can't. It's worth checking out though, before discounting the pix Phil showed.
It would be interesting to find out who bought the land!
Wise Old Owl
12-18-2008, 01:36 AM
I think their best bet would be Miami where Jessicas was to move the trial but I have a feeling it will be moved to Naples- (south florida)
I'm thinking more like Broward County (Ft. Laud) - where ANS was - we have less hispanic pop and a lot of college age as well. Also, the trial that they just held up there for M. Hernandez (middle schooler who stabbed and slit throat of his best friend in a middle school bathroom), that crime happened here - don't know if they do a quid pro quo on changes of venue but might. If they do have it in Broward - I live about 10 blocks from the courthouse and I promise I will be there every day and on here every night giving updates!!!! I'm also thinking either NE Florida coast or somewhere in the far west panhandle.
That is why I said this may be KC's saving grace here............since the ONLY proof she took Caylee was GA & CA and now they have proved themselves to be such liars, it could be said they were lying not to protect KC but to protect themselves.
Well, I've always kept in the back of my mind that the ACTUAL KNOWN last person to be with Caylee alive was Cindy (F-day video at nursing home). Only GA says he saw her on the 16th.
Good Point turbo-- IIRC CA took Caylee swimming after they came back from mt dora. This tends to point to the time of death within hours if Caylee was still wearing her swimsuit. Just speculation on my part.
Bingo - see my reply above - CA was the last known person to see Caylee alive as documented.
I am thinking they want the younger less educated jurors for this case. There is a lot to absorb in this case, and the dumber the jurors, the better off the defense will be.
We have a lot of younger people here - plus just the mindset of pop here in Broward.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/Body_plan.jpg
Guess that solves the problem of the video tonight (City of Orlando prop vs private property)
I live 15 minutes away and the funny thing about Florida is that I can be having the worst rainstorm on my street and someone just 2 blocks away could be laying in the sun with no rain in sight.
A rainy day in Orlando can also mean a sunny day in Kissimmee
Yep - I've seen it rain on one side of the street and the houses across the street remain dry. I do believe the area was underwater.
I also believe poor little Caylee has been there the whole time. You can't tell me that if anyone moved that body that they also opened the bag and scattered her little bones. The video of LE taking away huge clumps of bushes I think they have found some in racoon dens. We have a lot of them around here and they are scavengers. It makes sense their dens would be under dense bushes.
I frosts my cookies to know that she was there the whole time and the A's never once got away from the cameras and went and looked. I know I would have - the TV crews would have just had to follow me. If the area was wet - I would have donned a pair of hip waders and continued on.
drip~drop
12-18-2008, 01:47 AM
If my man, Phil Keating starts spouting for the defense...i will be so sad.
me too. he's a cutie pie!
Greta was interesting tonight. seems mrs.baden doesn't like what dr. baden says about the case. haa haa
I still have no idea why she is inserting herself on caseys behalf.
well. cept books, teevee time and the such.
imo :cow: :clown:
drip~drop
12-18-2008, 01:52 AM
Thanks Nora, your map is just what I needed!
Why does everyone keep saying the Ants house was 15 houses away from the scene, when it's 21 houses away?
Thanks again.
it does seem to be 21 houses til the end of Hopespring. still just a 40 second ride and a quick drop off of baby Caylee. :mad:
Amster
12-18-2008, 02:46 AM
I can't believe the Baden duo have the nerve to show their faces in public.....much less, give interviews and offer opinions. After they made a$$es out their sorry selves in the Specter 1 trial, I thought they would slither away and hide. Guess they figure enough time has passed that nobody would remember. Well, I remember! Dr. Lee and Baden-Baden should never be allowed NEAR another case. But, then, they are working for Jose.....kind of says it all, doesn't it?
Maybe Mr. Baden will use his "lizard brain" theory again......
costalpilot
12-18-2008, 03:15 AM
nobody moved that baby.
Thinaire
12-18-2008, 04:00 AM
Here we go - Baez says Casey's just keeping it together (UGGGGGGGGHHH)
AWWWWW...I'm verklempt....
LookingForThe Truth
12-18-2008, 04:28 AM
Video of Greta interview
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3334246&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/
Firefly
12-18-2008, 05:25 AM
Here we go - Baez says Casey's just keeping it together (UGGGGGGGGHHH)
naw, you try to keep it together when you lose the baby NOT when they find the baby.
lookieloo
12-18-2008, 05:42 AM
About the number of houses, to me it looks like about 15 on the Anthony's side of the street since it seems a couple of those lots look empty. The other side of the street has more homes. Nevertheless, it is very close to home.
TimeWillTell
12-18-2008, 06:47 AM
I couldn't even finish watching this last night. I guess Fox is now the official media outlet for the defense. I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Dr. Baden is a financial "supporter" of Fox network!! Hmmmm. One word came to my mind while I was watching this show last night................"sellout"!:mad:
Patty G
12-18-2008, 06:59 AM
was Casey in jail on august 5th? I cant recall when they took her back to jail on murder charges- she could of heard hearsay that this area was searched and cleared and wanted lee to go move the body and when he had the chance, it was too late as it was filled with water- he did disappear for quite awhile- he traveled around and maybe didnt have a chance to get back in time before Faye came through. JMO I never trusted lee but never wanted to believe he was involved but this kind of sways my mind just a tidbit
Yes, Casey was in jail on August 5th. I don't believe LE knew about this particular area until they spoke with Kiomarie on August 12th and then Hurricane Fay came through on or about August 15th.
SCSam
12-18-2008, 07:02 AM
This guy says that his photographer says 'clearly' there was no water or body back there on Aug. 5th, and there was no decomp odor. It was dry as a bone...in Florida, in a retention pond....go figure. Guess they know more than the other locals in the neighborhood who stated otherwise.
Oh yeah... and because we ALL have heard of Chandra Levy... we know beyond doubt that there is absolutely NO WAY a high profile lengthy search could miss an adult body (actually fairly close to GVS Washington home) much less that of a very small child! And joggers in a area certainly would not miss the smell of decay ???? Of course not. Never happens.
Thinaire
12-18-2008, 07:07 AM
Oh yeah... and because we ALL have heard of Chandra Levy... we know beyond doubt that there is absolutely NO WAY a high profile lengthy search could miss an adult body (actually fairly close to GVS Washington home) much less that of a very small child! And joggers in a area certainly would not miss the smell of decay ???? Of course not. Never happens.
and Nina Reiser....body had not been found after search....then husband leads them to her.
impatientredhead
12-18-2008, 07:08 AM
Yes, Casey was in jail on August 5th. I don't believe LE knew about this particular area until they spoke with Kiomarie on August 12th and then Hurricane Fay came through on or about August 15th.
I think the tip came in earlier than the 12th, the 12th is the date they took her sworn statement.
SCSam
12-18-2008, 07:10 AM
You know, Fox's footage of that area is conveniently weird. Who films where a garbage bag is conveniently laying? How strange is that?
I don't believe that bag was visible from the road. IIRC. the area slopes down and the bag was dark and nestled under a tree. The city worker headed to that tree for "personal" reasons and would OBVIOUSLY, IMHO, NOT have picked a place he could be seen doing his business.
SCSam
12-18-2008, 07:13 AM
Sounds like Fox is doing that generally, e.g., GR and makes me think Fox is funding the Defense.
GVS backed off this case for weeks, it wasn't just politics that got in the way and, GR was the only one with coverage but it was always JB.
GVS is now presenting the Defense side and, while there are claims on both sides -- that the crime scene was flooded and not flooded --- spinning the body was not there previously just kicks the whole thing up a few more notches.
I am certain the forensics and the bones being scattered will show both animal and water activity moved them but -- this spin in defense of the defense by Fox is intriguing. Benefactor? $$$$$$$
I hated it when GVS moved to the political arena, but she may have requested a break after dealing with the A's. She's a true professional and treats her interviews in a much less "sensational way, whereas GR is KNOWN for that.
SCSam
12-18-2008, 07:19 AM
Isn't Baden on the defense team? Nothing like admitting your client is guilty on national TV. :eek:
Had she come forward straightaway, claimed accident and her involvement and plead to that, she might have had a case for a light sentence. But, I can't think that any of her mental "issues" would allow a jury to overlook the facts... including not reporting the death for 31 days.... and probably NEVER would have if CA had not found KC and been the one to call LE.
Wish KC would take the stand... so want to know WHEN she intended to report the death.
MissJames
12-18-2008, 07:27 AM
Reporting that the Ground was not flooded on Aug 5th
Fox news had a camera less than 35 feet away from spot were bag was found & they did not notice any water nor did they smell any human decomp.
Well,the photographer just signed up for the defense witness list.....
sorry ,I'm way behind in reading this thread.
believe09
12-18-2008, 07:39 AM
My lovely Brahmin mother who usually does not follow these cases told me that she was 100% sure that a network was paying for the defense. When she makes statements like this I listen closely because she is usually 100% correct....so, how do we follow the money when everyone is claiming "pro bono?"
tx_Dot
12-18-2008, 07:40 AM
Bodies under water release gases that float to the surface, at least that's how I understand it. No odors would be released through 2 layers of tightly sealed plastic. I would think though, that the decomposition process would be slower as moisture could not escape the bags.
I think (???) I read somewhere that if the body had been sprayed with pesticides (for the maggots??) that this could speed up the decom. process.
Well,the photographer just signed up for the defense witness list.....
sorry ,I'm way behind in reading this thread.
all I can say is hind sight is 20/20----guess they are going in it the "backwards" way....I think it was hiding in plain sight --- can't tell you how many tmes I've looked for something and there it was in plain site---
tx_Dot
12-18-2008, 07:43 AM
Totally agree, but during the conversation between Casey and Lee where she tells him she is close, to check the places we hung out at, I think she was trying to tell where to go to get rid of the evidence before this could happen.
ITA.......she told him to look in 'familar places'.
impatientredhead
12-18-2008, 07:46 AM
ITA.......she told him to look in 'familar places'.
I was also rereading the statements she made at Universal, after they demand to know why they are there if she doesn't work there, how that will help find Caylee, and does she really think Caylee took a cab there (LOL)
Casey says that she wanted to go to places that were familiar to her (Casey), familiar to Caylee, places she liked to go. That is where she thinks she will find her.
Everyone has wondered where Casey and Caylee went during "work" hours, or until George and Cindy both left the house.
ElizaAvalon
12-18-2008, 07:51 AM
It would be interesting to find out who bought the land!
Parcel ID is 13-23-30-1290-00-021 (http://www.ocpafl.org/pls/webappI/get_parcel_master?pid=302313129000021&query_data=1111111P)
Owner is Thomas H of Winter Park, FL
http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap6/default.aspx
nativeSFL
12-18-2008, 08:33 AM
The county records indicate this is preservation land belonging to the HOA. I sure hope they deny the Nightmare Team access to it, since it IS privately owned.
:clap:
tiredofthis
12-18-2008, 08:39 AM
The county records indicate this is preservation land belonging to the HOA. I sure hope they deny the Nightmare Team access to it, since it IS privately owned.
:clap:
JB will have steam coming out of his ears if that happens. :crazy:
Doesn't it hurt the prosecutor's case if the defense isn't allowed to see the crime scene?
impatientredhead
12-18-2008, 08:41 AM
JB will have steam coming out of his ears if that happens. :crazy:
Doesn't it hurt the prosecutor's case if the defense isn't allowed to see the crime scene?
No, the state and ME have an obligation to preserve and maintain evidence for the defense team. Most defendants, the vast majority, do not have access to the crime scenes. Generally it is quite some time between discovery of a crime scene and an arrest.
If it can be shown that the state did not share evidence in a timely manner, didn't follow appropriate handling, that would hurt the prosecution.
LiveLaughLuv
12-18-2008, 09:12 AM
From: Wells, Justin
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:31 PM
To: Van Susteren, Greta
Statement released by Jose Baez
The Casey Anthony Defense Team has made numerous attempts to preserve
the evidence in and around the location where the human remains of what
appear to be a small child were found.
Law enforcement has been repeatedly asked to allow reasonable access by
medical and scientific experts for the defense, including requests for
photographs, and assistance with maintaining a secure examination scene
prior to any media or general public access.
Every effort by The Baez Law Firm to establish a level of basic
cooperation and professional courtesy have all been rejected by the
government. This lack of cooperation has complicated how to proceed.
Now that the scene more resembles that of an excavation site as opposed
to an examinable crime scene - attorney Jose Baez has been advised that
without properly detailed photographs and all related material and
documentation, the various experts on the Casey Anthony Defense Team
will simply not be able to thoroughly examine the site.
Unfortunately this matter has already become a Media Circus and
something The Baez Law Firm will not contribute to, by just making a
show of going to the excavation site without good reason.
The Casey Anthony Defense Team is being prevented from examining the
site unless and until all photographs, schematic sketches and related
material and documentation are released to the defense through the
discovery process.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/12/17/just-in-casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez/
This man just doesn't get it. A positive ID has not yet been made, it is still a crime scene and he has no business being part of this investigation. What doesn't he understand???
I see where the defense is going since they are running out of options with Zanny the Nanny did it theory. I can't wait for the evidence on that duct tape and garbage bag. Once it's proven that KC and ONLY KC is responsible, he should plead her guily and ask for leniency. He needs to spare the grandparents from the graphic details of Caylee's last terrifying moments in the trunk of her mothers vehicle.
JMHO!
LiveLaughLuv
12-18-2008, 09:16 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3334246&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/
I just wish on one of these interviews someone would ask him WHERE IS ZFG??? If she exsists and they have all this personel---prove it or shut it.....
why isn't he working on his case instead of whinning....I personally had to leave...also can't stand the other atty ..... it is so hard to listen inbetween the ummmmmms....
21merc7
12-18-2008, 09:25 AM
My lovely Brahmin mother who usually does not follow these cases told me that she was 100% sure that a network was paying for the defense. When she makes statements like this I listen closely because she is usually 100% correct....so, how do we follow the money when everyone is claiming "pro bono?"
I have a feeling this is being investigated and the public will find out if anything is fishy. I agree with your lovely Brahmin mother.
Meagain
12-18-2008, 09:35 AM
Fox is SO pushing the "it was dry at the time - did someone put the body there while Casey was in jail?" bent. I didn't think I could hate Fox more than I already did.
Nosey Parker
12-18-2008, 09:42 AM
Just a bit of info on the dogs.
I'm not sure if LE dogs did check this area when under water, and I doubt if the psychic's dogs are water trained. They air scent from above the water, or from the edge. They alert to the presence and, when appropriate, divers go in to investigate. Searchers wading through, if dogs alerted, would not have been relevant in this instance, according to Tim Miller.
Water Search Dog
A dog trained to locate dead bodies under water. This can be done from a boat or as a shoreline search.
Human Remains Detection Dog
This Detection Dog is a specialist and has never been trained to look for live humans. They specialize in crime scenes, old cases, small scent sources and residual scent. These dogs have been trained to exclude fresh human scent along with all other animal scents.
Truth Seeker
12-18-2008, 09:42 AM
Baez will play the "blame game" all the way to trial!!! Even to say it was the judges fault. :waitasec:
"Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said that the judge risked denying his client a fair trial by refusing the defense access to the evidence from the crime scene."
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18296816/detail.html#-
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