'cover-up' in the JACOB WETTERLING case ?

[froggie]

froggie's
'cover-up'
THEORY

posted may 18 , 2004

i believe jacob wetterling has already been found-- but that he was never properly identified--

i am using some information from an article by pam schmid--
pam schmid with the associated press posted this article in february 15th of 1990-- the website is http://www.skepticfiles.org/rumor/mn_grave.htm --

I believe that there is a 'cover-up' concerning the wetterling case that involves 'the authorities' and/or the coroner and/or the person or persons who did the footprint analysis on a boy that was found in the mississippi river
on TUESDAY february 13th, 1990
shortly after jacob was missing (october 22 , 1989)(this is not an attack on pam schmid--this is not an attack on anyone--this is just a theory)

basically i have some problems with the story 'the authorities' have told about this case

the authorities have stated basically this...that an embalmed boy between 9-13 years old was stolen from his grave by occult members, his head, feet and hands were removed and that he was thrown into the mississippi river
(his torso and feet were found by a dam worker in st. paul)

after footprints were analyzed, the examiner stated that the body was not jacobs

1--how many people examined and determined that the footprints were not jacobs ? just one ? that is suspicious...i would want more than one expert
to look at the footprints, wouldn't you ???

2--according to this article--jacob's parents never saw this body--
they relied upon the report given them by the authorities

3--the coroner could not tell how long the body had been dead and/or in
the river--i think enough technology existed in order to determine this

4--the coroner said that he had been embalmed--
had he really been
embalmed , or was he forced to drink embalming fluid ???
people use embalming fluid as a recreational drug...many people do not
know this
it could have been used to anesthetize and or poison the boy

5--if there was a missing corpse from a graveyard, i believe there would have
been parents coming forward wanting to find the corpse of thier son
don't you ??? but we never heard about that...hmmmmmm....
besides, most 'occult sacrifice ceremonies' are more likely to require a LIVE
person , also, there may be certain age requirements, etc..the kidnapper
asked jacob's brother how old he was before deciding to take jacob who
was younger

6--another suspicious statement by authorities is this...
they said
the boy
was not from St. Paul
how did they know this ???
they did not even know his identity, much less where he was from !!!
this was probobly thier only true statement, jacob was from st.joseph
st.cloud

i think
the condition of jacob was so bad
that out of mercy, the authorities decided it was better to leave the parents with some hope by telling them the boy found was not jacob than to have to tell them what really happened to him

well, that's my theory
thanks
froggie
froggessema@msn.com

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i recieved this anonomous email
i think this reader has alot of EXCELLENT questions
so i decided to post it....here's what the reader had to say...

"what if a bunch of us (websleuth members)e-mailed the people who worked on the case of the boy by the river and started asking alot of unwanted questions ?(because of this post) how do you know it's not jacob ? you know if it was found to be jacob, you'd be in alot of hot water because you would have a law suit on your hands for slander-get them scared. i don't know, you probobly could go to jail for messing with law enforcement.

what do you think ???

[froggie]

here's an example of why you cannot always count on 'fingerprint expert' testimony...

http://www.law-forensic.com/cfr_patterson.htm


thanks

froggie

at

froggessema@msn.com

[froggie]

coroners can LIE
or
at the very least
they can be just plain
WRONG

check it out at

http://www.truthinjustice.org/mark-price.htm

http://freedomforrichie.50megs.com/page4.html

thanks

froggie

at

froggessema@msn.com

[froggie]

police can LIE or at the very least , be just plain WRONG

check it out at

http://www.judibari.org/jurors_talk.html
and
http://arizona.indymedia.org/print.php?id=4170

thanks

froggie
at
froggessema@msn.com

[froggie]

from

http://bloodmagic.tzimisce.net/necromancy/bm.htm

under
PRACTICAL NECROMANCY
paragraph 8...emalming equipment
paragraph 9...the use of children in ceremonies

under
NECROMANTIC RITUALS
***********KIDNAPPING VICTIMS**********

under
VOUDOUN IN DISCIPLES
ASH PATH
"the necromancer travels to the UNDERWATER holding area where the FRESHLY DEAD wait to be called back to land as loa-racines

at the very bottom of the page
DEAD MAN'S HAND

thanks
froggie at froggessema@msn.com

[smile22]

im with all of u i think that it is jacob its sad but no one came foward about a grave robbery in the areas of minn or anywhere in the usa where a child was grave robbed is their someway we can reopen the child they found if i were the wetterlings i would have wanted to see the body some times le can be wrong

[froggie]

i don't know HOW the case could ever be re-opened--i don't know WHAT they did with the poor child that was found by the mississippi river dam worker (i believe it was indeed jacob) i just believe that it was a 'ritual killing' by occult members ( http://bloodmagic.tzimisce.net/necromancy/bm.htm )and that the body was in such bad condition that the authorities decided to cover it up by saying it was another boy--i guess it was the most merciful way to handle it-- how long has it been since you heard the story about the boy found in the mississippi ??? was that a well publicized fact ??? how do you feel about the possibility of the authorities conspiring to cover this up in the name of mercy for the parents ??? if my theory is correct --should we demand truth at all costs in a situation like this ?

thanks
froggie at froggessema@msn.com

[smile22]

i never knew about the boy on the river untill u posted it today have u done a search on the boy by the river to see who was handiong the case i know on the janice pockett case there is a state of ct website u can go to and it gives an email for someone u can contact on the case with any info


at all cost id do it becuse if i was jacobs family his sister or mother or aunt or anyone from his family and i knew that le lied to me id be hurt so much i think id loose all my trust in le i just think le didnt do a good job of looking into the river boy but what if someone from le had a child jacobs age and went missing he would follow every lead untill they were all cleared and till he was 100% sure of each outcome,

[froggie]

that's a very good question...i do not know who handled the case, if it is still being handled, or who may be handling it at the present time. i have visited a jacob wetterling website...nothing there about the boy found in the river...

so i take it that you belive no matter how bad the condition of the body was, the wetterlings should have had access to it for identification purposes --based on the idea that if the authorities would lie for mercy's sake, they may lie about other things...or if they did not lie, they were just not very good investigators ??? that is a very interesting point of view... i am still undecided as to what i would do if i was a law enforcement officer put in that position...i wonder if i could break the parent's heart like that....it is so hard when you really think about it

thanks so much for you comments

froggie

[Trino]

Interesting story. Thanks for bring it to our attention.

The dismissal of the boy in the river, as I recall, was rather quick. I, too, would like to know what happened to the remains, what happened to the investigation and/or identification of this boy. Jacob, I believe, disappeared in 1988. The story is 1990. Timing is about right.

You would think that if a young person's grave were robbed, the parents/loved ones would be aware of a missing body, unless, of course, the grave was dug up immediately after burial and the grave robbers were very good at covering it again. This seems unlikely if they were in a hurry.

Fourteen years have passed since this body was found. There probably was more than one individual involved. Shouldn't someone have opened his/her mouth by now?

[froggie]

thank you so much for your comments
i agree with you
here's an important fact that begs repeating
EMBALMING is a process practiced in OCCULT RITUALS
if the coroner did not know this
this may explain why he thought it was a stolen body and not jacob

thanks again
froggie

[froggie]

i found this link on the web today-thought it may be of interest to some of you--don't know who the author is--he or she seems to be ANONYMOUS-i recieved an invitation to view the link--perhaps the author got my email from this site--i really don't know--perhaps he/she is a member of this site --
the author spends some time defending what it is that he/she does concerning astrology and crime sleuthing VS those with religious beliefs against it--
he/she makes some interesting points --then the author analyzes what i believe to be the wetterling case--only the author uses a false name for wetterling (BYRON) --the author calls this file "the BYRON file"--
i thought it was interesting
if you are interested in this link
feel free to check it out at [url]http://www.msnusers.com/1volunteerastrologer --then click on DOCUMENTS--then click on "theBYRONfile"

[smile22]

i duno but what she is saying could be true id foward that file if u had permission to the le in minisota

[froggie]

thanks smile22--i think that the author of 'theBYRON file' is "right on the money"--personally, i don't know much about astrology....i just thought it was an interesting file so i shared it--but he/she seems to know how to interpret those charts and parts and stuff--i could not believe the stuff the author came up with --WITHOUT EVER HAVING BEEN TO THAT AREA ! ( the author stated that they'd never been to minnesota )--i was impressed with the mention of "the feet" --since there were supposedly footprints taken for ID purposes--i don't know about forwarding that file information--some law enforcement has a closed mind when it comes to astrology and stuff--and if there is a cover-up--the last thing they want is an astrologer who knows much of the details without being told--ofcourse, the astrologer never accuses anyone of anything, the astrologer's main interest seems to be finding the body--the wierdest thing is that the astrologer did all that BEFORE reading that file i read by pam schmid !!! if i was a law enforcement official, i would be asking him/her for help--i think this is another url to that file-- http://www.msnusers.com/1volunteerastrologer/Documents.msnw

[froggie]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4443

[smile22]

i know about that site now how do i find out who was working on his case

id like to link him to the website of the byron file

[froggie]

hello smile22--

my opinion is that if there was a cover-up OR the case was just not investigated thoroughly enough -- the sherriff's department would not really have any interest in this THEORY of mine -- they would be even MORE inclined to ignore it

i think rather than just sending a link to ' the BYRON file' , i would send the link to THIS thread ---
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7707


why ??? because this thread has alot of links about NECROMANCY, etc.... which would explain WHY the coroner thought the body found in the mississippi river had been stolen from a grave because it had been EMBALMED--

personally, i think the sherriff's department will just dissmiss this information as non-relevant -- i could be wrong -- i don't know --

there is a website for the sherriff's department who investigated the wetterling case -- it is the STEARNS COUNTY sherriff's dept. --

the website address is
http://www.co.stearns.mn.us/departments/sheriff/index.htm

the sheriff's e-mail is
john.sanner@co.stearns.mn.us


for the record, let me say that i've never INSISTED that the authorities, finger print experts, and/or coroners are involved in a COVER-UP, or that they did not work hard to try and solve the case ... i'm just saying that it is POSSIBLE that there could have been a 'cover-up', and it is POSSIBLE that there could have just been a lack of information, the fingerprint expert may have made a mistake, etc...there is always the margin of human error and the need for benefit of the doubt--also --that i am exercising my first amendment right for freedom of speech -- i do have the right to introduce a theory or an opinion


this is america...if you wanna forward links to the sherriff's dept. i can't stop you -- however --it may not be appreciated by them --furthermore, they may track you down and question you --your showing an interest in a 15 year old case may look suspicious to them--may create a hassle for you-- just a friendly warning ;)

i certainly won't be upset either way -- i don't care one way or another--

we are having an interesting conversation --

thanks
froggie :chicken:

[froggie]

i'll be away for a few days... :p probobly won't have much access to a computer where i'm goin' --BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR HEARTS OUT-- :laugh:

[smile22]

i really dont know if im going to send it im gona send the link u sent me to that lady who wrote the byron case see if she wants to do it

[smile22]

i send the person who did the bryon file the link u send on the le email i told her its up to her to send it and i wouldnt send something that wasnt mine to send and i really dont want le opeing up a can of worms and looking at me like im crazy but then again i was jacobs age when he was taken so then they would look at me even more funner

[froggie]

oh, i understand...that makes sense... :cool:

[smile22]

its aup to her but the way she was talking about water and then im thinking about that body they found and such and saying the footprint was not jacobs umm what if the foot print was the guy who dumped him their?

[froggie]

i think i need to clarify something about the foot...the foot that was used for the footprinting by the 'fingerprint expert' was cut off of the boy's body...it was found in the water also ...near the body.. AFTER the body was found...from that severed foot, a footprint was made and compared against jacob's footprints (probobly his baby footprints)the person who did the comparison said it was not jacob...i question that...as i said in my other post...it is possible for fingerprint experts to be wrong or even lie...i even gave a link for that giving an example...thanks...froggie

[froggie]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7754

cold cases and psychics,numerologists,etc...

[froggie]

i think that sending a message to police might be a mistake

[Autumn_Saine]

i read the BYRON file today
at
http://groups.msn.com/1volunteerastrologer

the byron file is really an astrological analysis of
jacob wetterling and the circumstances of his dissapearance

[someone had sent me an invitation to view that document]

that is wild ! i don't know much about astrology, but the author of

the byron file must a be pretty good one...

[smile22]

i wish i knew more about the mississippi river boy and i wish u knew more but i guess whatever their is to be found right now is only what is to be found, i was talking with a friend of mine who said how is someone to know ur son was grave robed unless his dirt was dug up and not properly replaced did they say how long the body had been dead? if it was a new death then their would have been no way to tell if ur son was grave robed so that brings up the case of anyones child grave robbed but that dosent mean somones child is missing and they never found a connection to it i wonder if the body is on doenetwork

[Autumn_Saine]

well, the body was intact enough to get footprints ....also, if it was placed in the river in late october and not found until february....the cold temperature of the water would have helped to preserve the body...just my guess...i think no one ever reported that thier son's grave was disturbed because there was not a grave robbery to begin with....i think what happened to this child is so disturbing and sad...i just wish the person who did this would be punished...that person or persons is likely to still be out there

[Maybe So]

They determined the identity through a footprint?

Where did the get a footprint from Jacob to compare it too? His birth records?

Why did they not just do DNA testing?

[smile22]

i also belong to the doenetwork we also have a group up in yahoo their was a chat sesson last nite and i brought up the boy by the river and how i think he was linked to jacob, the person who started doe, says his family was so involved with his disaperance that they wouldnt have left any stone left unturned and that she says that most le would go by dental reccords to determine, so im assmuing that the foot print was checked out and his parents made sure that it was 100% accurate and there were no room for errors, but then again le could be wrong one of the chatters was intrested in the boy by the river so i sent her the only website that had the news article on him, ( well it was the onlywebsite i could find)

[I know]

I came across this forum just doing some web surfing.
I just wanted to let everyone know that you are wrong about the boy found in the Mississippi river and the theory that this is Jacob.
The two people that did this to the boy/body found have been convicted already, and the two cases are not related.
I don't feel at liberty to give you the names of the child, nor there family, but if you do enough digging it is out there.

Thanks.

[smile22]

thanks for the info on the boy in the river at least we know that it is not jacob. i wish that jacob can be found soon
and all the others out there that have been missing for a long time

[lisag]

I came across this forum just doing some web surfing.
I just wanted to let everyone know that you are wrong about the boy found in the Mississippi river and the theory that this is Jacob.
The two people that did this to the boy/body found have been convicted already, and the two cases are not related.
I don't feel at liberty to give you the names of the child, nor there family, but if you do enough digging it is out there.

Thanks.

I do remember this... My mom, I beleive worked with the mother or the aunt or something, of the acutal boy who was found... Tell me if I am right, but the boy they found, was indeed already embalmed and robbed from his grave or cript type thing I thought and wasn't hs cause of death actually drowning when in the care of his father?? His oarents were seperated....
This is what I remember from long ago...

[blueclouds]

I came across this forum just doing some web surfing.
I just wanted to let everyone know that you are wrong about the boy found in the Mississippi river and the theory that this is Jacob.
The two people that did this to the boy/body found have been convicted already, and the two cases are not related.
I don't feel at liberty to give you the names of the child, nor there family, but if you do enough digging it is out there.

Thanks.
Welcome back boyexploited.

Why would you bother posting that you KNOW the name but not at liberty. What are you trying to prove?

[I know]

correct Lisa




I do remember this... My mom, I beleive worked with the mother or the aunt or something, of the acutal boy who was found... Tell me if I am right, but the boy they found, was indeed already embalmed and robbed from his grave or cript type thing I thought and wasn't hs cause of death actually drowning when in the care of his father?? His oarents were seperated....
This is what I remember from long ago...

[I know]

Welcome back boyexploited.

Why would you bother posting that you KNOW the name but not at liberty. What are you trying to prove?
boyexploited?

I'm not sure who you are referring to, but I did not say "wasn't at liberty", I said I did not FEEL at liberty. My feeling is, the family has been through enough with out finding this speculation on the internet.
And for the record I'm not trying to prove anything, just that the theory of Jacob being the boy in the river is easily PROVED wrong.

Thanks

[Capt.]

I am relatively new here also.
Aparently there was someone registered in the past that was active in a related thread that people react to whenever anybody posts anything similar or even on the same case. I experienced it also in my posts. I understand your judgement to with hold info. At times there can be that need.

[2sisters]

In not too familiar with the unidentified boy in the river so if this has been posted ignore me. If the boy in the river had been stolen from a grave the wouldn't he have been enbalmed? Did anything like that show up when he was taken to the ME? And if it wasn't a boy stolen from his grave, then can't they exhume the unknown boy and do a DNA test against Jacob's family?

[Juliana]

In not too familiar with the unidentified boy in the river so if this has been posted ignore me. If the boy in the river had been stolen from a grave the wouldn't he have been enbalmed? Did anything like that show up when he was taken to the ME? And if it wasn't a boy stolen from his grave, then can't they exhume the unknown boy and do a DNA test against Jacob's family?

2sisters: Yes, the boy found in the river had been embalmed.

[missacorah]

I dont think that was Jacob. I certainly dont think the police would have witheld the fact that was his body to spare his parents.

Yhe other thing I wondered was if footprints are always taken at birth in the US? be grateful if you could clear that up for me. Thanks.

[CrimeSolver]

DNA testing was not quite available or widespread back then. If there is any remaining doubt whether the boy is Wetterling, that could now be easily answered.

[missacorah]

True but have the neccessary steps been taken to test the remains that were found and compare them against Jacob?