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Vask
08-25-2008, 07:22 PM
The Pennsylvania man could not recall anyone he sold any of the tickets to, not just JD.


JD bought his tickets from a Pennsylvania man who sold 20 tickets for the concert, and cannot recall selling any tickets to JD.

Vask
08-26-2008, 03:04 AM
The show was two days, the 24th and 25th. Both tickets were dated the 25th? Maybe he had a date?
They were both STUBS as well, which means they were both used for admittance. Someone out there went with this guy, and possibly knows him well enough to ID him. I only say possibly because a lot of deadheads it seems will befriend each other like a family without getting too familiar.

MaedchenX
08-30-2008, 01:40 AM
**edited because of duplicate information

examples of the ticket stubs from June 25th can be found in a fans collection:
http://www.geocities.com/planetwas/tix4.html

fmw63
08-30-2008, 02:34 PM
They were both STUBS as well, which means they were both used for admittance. Someone out there went with this guy, and possibly knows him well enough to ID him. I only say possibly because a lot of deadheads it seems will befriend each other like a family without getting too familiar.

Fingerprints/DNA on the stubs? Sale date traceable to a ticket agent? hmmm?:waitasec:

Shecky
08-30-2008, 02:54 PM
Fingerprints/DNA on the stubs? Sale date traceable to a ticket agent? hmmm?:waitasec:

The tickets were purchased from a scalper. The scalper could not recall who he had sold the tickets to.

As far as fingerprints, Doe Network lists his prints as being available. So they presumably already have his prints, most likely they were taken from his body postmortem.

marysawol
08-30-2008, 09:53 PM
What about fingerprints on the tickets from other people? Like one or both of the Caroline's? That's why I asked previously if LE still have the tickets.

Shecky
08-30-2008, 09:55 PM
What about fingerprints on the tickets from other people? Like one or both of the Caroline's? That's why I asked previously if LE still have the tickets.

I wonder if they ever checked the note for prints, since presumably one or both girls handled it before it was passed on to "Jason".

marysawol
08-30-2008, 10:07 PM
I wonder if they ever checked the note for prints, since presumably one or both girls handled it before it was passed on to "Jason".


Thank you, that too

phenolred
09-03-2008, 12:28 PM
JD bought his tickets from a Pennsylvania man who sold 20 tickets for the concert, and cannot recall selling any tickets to JD.

I wonder WHERE the scalper sold all his tickets, AT the concert Or in PA or ???

coltsgal
09-03-2008, 02:20 PM
I wonder WHERE the scalper sold all his tickets, AT the concert Or in PA or ???

I believe that I read that the Pennsylvnia man brought the tickets with him to the concert. If this is true, we can assume he sold them outside the concert arena.

Salem
02-04-2009, 03:07 AM
What if the Carolines gave Jason the ticket stubs with the note? Maybe Jason was never at the concert. Or maybe he couldn't get a ticket so he hung around outside the concert. There are so many maybes here. He has 2 ticket stubs but the car's driver really didn't know him and was not at the concert. So where did Jason's concert partner go? Or were they really Jason's ticket stubs?

Salem

Helper
05-04-2009, 02:07 PM
The Grateful Dead played two nights at RFK. My impression was that the tickets were one each for both shows. He had a t-shirt from that tour, so it seems almost certain that Jason attended the shows.

Helper
06-25-2009, 02:50 PM
To resolve the issue of where the scalper sold his 20 tickets, the Doe Network reports that the seller brought 20 tickets to the concert to sell.

Fukiyama
06-25-2009, 04:09 PM
What if the Carolines gave Jason the ticket stubs with the note? Maybe Jason was never at the concert. Or maybe he couldn't get a ticket so he hung around outside the concert. There are so many maybes here. He has 2 ticket stubs but the car's driver really didn't know him and was not at the concert. So where did Jason's concert partner go? Or were they really Jason's ticket stubs?

Salem
I've never bought the idea that Jason would be carrying stubs for tickets that he didn't use. That just seems so odd to me that someone would want ticket stubs after the fact for a concert he didn't attend. Jason wasn't even carrying ID and yet he had stubs he was taking home as a keepsake for a concert he didn't attend...

Salem
09-28-2009, 01:36 AM
Fukiyama - I agree that it would be unusual to have ticket stubs to a concert or event you never attended. I do think we need to think outside the box here, though. It could be that the tickets were for 2 different shows - that would make sense. Otherwise, why have 2? Both used? And the other party is never to be found again? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either. It seems if Jason had a date and he kept both ticket stubs (which wouldn't have been that unusual) the other party would have come forward by now in an attempt to reach Jason. Maybe they did look for him soon after the accident and well before so much info was posted on the web. It's hard, because we don't know where he came from.....

Salem

NCSleuth
09-29-2009, 10:02 AM
Since he had 2 tickets stubs for the same night and no money on him, I always felt he didn't attend the concert. Maybe just hanging out and picked up the stubs as a momento. I can see my son doing something like that.

Only problem with that thinking is both stubs came from the same guy in PA, so if Jason is not the person that used them, he would have had to gotten both stubs from the same person. Not just picked them up off the ground.

so many unanswered questions.

GumDrop
11-16-2009, 01:11 AM
Does anyone know yet if the tix were from diff dates or the same? If not perhaps we could organize a way to figure that out? It would be great to see a pic of the actual tix or at the very least get some details.

Helper
12-03-2009, 12:23 PM
Richard, who has investigated this case for years, wrote in post #90 on the original thread on Jan. 5, 2006: "The ticket stubs had been used and were for successive days of the RFK concert, June 24 and 25. It was believed by investigators that the unknown hitch hiker had attended both days of the concert and that he had bought the tickets from a scalper at the event."

Earthbound Misfit I
06-02-2010, 01:36 PM
Could Jason have received what older Grateful Dead fans refer to as a "Miracle Ticket"? A "miracle ticket" to older Grateful Dead fans means a free ticket to a show - usually obtained by pleading poverty. Do we know what condition Jason's pants and shoes were in? We know he had a fairly new, perhaps even from the 24th or 25th GD tshirt (from the 1995 summer tour). Maybe he wasn't wearing any shirt at all when he arrived at RFK Stadium and someone bought him the shirt?

Miracle Ticket (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7WwWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pBIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6874,4623869&dq=follow+grateful+dead&hl=en)

theforgotten
06-02-2010, 02:03 PM
Could Jason have received what older Grateful Dead fans refer to as a "Miracle Ticket"? A "miracle ticket" to older Grateful Dead fans means a free ticket to a show - usually obtained by pleading poverty. Do we know what condition Jason's pants and shoes were in? We know he had a fairly new, perhaps even from the 24th or 25th GD tshirt (from the 1995 summer tour). Maybe he wasn't wearing any shirt at all when he arrived at RFK Stadium and someone bought him the shirt?
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I guess this could be possible. It would make sense that he was down on his luck. He was only traveling with a dollar in quaters. Do we know how much the tickets for both shows would have cost him or how much his shirt would of been? I still think that it is weird that he had so little money on him and no Id or change of clothes.

Earthbound Misfit I
06-02-2010, 02:44 PM
The tickets were marked at $32.50 each. I would think that a scalper would try to get more than that out of them. I am not sure how much the shirt would have cost. Was it actual GD merchandise or was it an average Joe who did the tie dying, etc. who was trying to make a buck? I don't know if that has been determined 100% or not? It does look like legit GD merchandise to me.

I can't really say it bothers me that much about him having so little money or no change of clothing with him, the more articles I read about Grateful Dead followers/deadheads, the more I believe that it was a common occurance that they travelled with so little.


I guess this could be possible. It would make sense that he was down on his luck. He was only traveling with a dollar in quaters. Do we know how much the tickets for both shows would have cost him or how much his shirt would of been? I still think that it is weird that he had so little money on him and no Id or change of clothes.

glorybug
06-09-2010, 04:15 PM
Scalping GD tickets isn't the same as scalping other tickets. It is very frowned on to try selling tickets above face value. Much more common to sell them for less than you paid for them, or to give them away free as 'miracle' tickets. Since the scalper says he sold the tickets the day of the first show, it's doubtful someone paid for them and handed them free to GDF. More likely that he paid for the tickets, attended the shows, probably ate there (does autopsy say what he'd recently eaten?), bought the tshirt and then only had a buck in change left.

The GD allowed anyone to record them, make tshirts, buttons, stickers etc., and sell them. Very different from other bands. However, if GDF was wearing a tshirt that was specific to that particular tour, it's most likely he bought it/got it at the show, since most GD merchandisers did not sell tour tshirts- those were sold directly by GD.

My ex was a deadhead, and he went to tons of their shows- and every show that was in California. The difference is that unlike most deadheads, my ex had money. It was very common for him to buy a bunch of tickets and give them to his friends. He'd also drive them there, pay for food, alcohol and drugs as well as tshirts for them. So I'm guessing a lot of his friends had less than a buck in their pockets as well. You can probably see why he's now an ex.

Many of his friends did not have driver's licenses for various reasons, and since they also had no money, I'm guessing they commonly went around without a wallet or ID. Not many people have IDs if they don't have a license. There were groups of people who travelled to every show in every state, by hitchiking. I'm pretty sure they didn't have money, either.

While the GD concerts were a little different from other band's concerts, I don't think it's surprising that nobody has identified him just because he had GD ticket stubs on him. After going to all those shows, (and, probably being higher than a kite), I doubt my ex could identify anyone, even if he'd seen them at several shows. There are just too many people, and too many travelling people to really get to know anyone.

I went to a couple of them just before Jerry Garcia died- wasn't really my cup of tea. I don't recall seeing anyone showing up without a shirt on (I think most venues have some kind of dress code) but I did see people take their shirts off after they were there and tie them around their waist. And, I did see several times where someone would buy a tshirt, remove the shirt they were wearing, put the new one on and toss the old one in a garbage can. I saw both guys and girls do that.

It's possible his family didn't even know he liked the GD. And, a lot of deadheads have no contact with their families anyway.

Just my thoughts.

Earthbound Misfit I
06-10-2010, 02:10 PM
Thank you so much for your input! Your information sheds a lot of light on the lifestyle of a Grateful Deadhead. It doesn't surprise me in the least though that with them being "roadies" that they travel with so little, just what they have on their backs basically, travelling from town to town, bumming a ride, trying to get to the next show.

We do not know what the autopsy shows as far as what GDF had to eat or if he had eaten recently. I believe all we know from that is that he didn't have any alcohol or drugs in his system.

Thank you again for your post. I appreciate it.



Scalping GD tickets isn't the same as scalping other tickets. It is very frowned on to try selling tickets above face value. Much more common to sell them for less than you paid for them, or to give them away free as 'miracle' tickets. Since the scalper says he sold the tickets the day of the first show, it's doubtful someone paid for them and handed them free to GDF. More likely that he paid for the tickets, attended the shows, probably ate there (does autopsy say what he'd recently eaten?), bought the tshirt and then only had a buck in change left.

The GD allowed anyone to record them, make tshirts, buttons, stickers etc., and sell them. Very different from other bands. However, if GDF was wearing a tshirt that was specific to that particular tour, it's most likely he bought it/got it at the show, since most GD merchandisers did not sell tour tshirts- those were sold directly by GD.

My ex was a deadhead, and he went to tons of their shows- and every show that was in California. The difference is that unlike most deadheads, my ex had money. It was very common for him to buy a bunch of tickets and give them to his friends. He'd also drive them there, pay for food, alcohol and drugs as well as tshirts for them. So I'm guessing a lot of his friends had less than a buck in their pockets as well. You can probably see why he's now an ex.

Many of his friends did not have driver's licenses for various reasons, and since they also had no money, I'm guessing they commonly went around without a wallet or ID. Not many people have IDs if they don't have a license. There were groups of people who travelled to every show in every state, by hitchiking. I'm pretty sure they didn't have money, either.

While the GD concerts were a little different from other band's concerts, I don't think it's surprising that nobody has identified him just because he had GD ticket stubs on him. After going to all those shows, (and, probably being higher than a kite), I doubt my ex could identify anyone, even if he'd seen them at several shows. There are just too many people, and too many travelling people to really get to know anyone.

I went to a couple of them just before Jerry Garcia died- wasn't really my cup of tea. I don't recall seeing anyone showing up without a shirt on (I think most venues have some kind of dress code) but I did see people take their shirts off after they were there and tie them around their waist. And, I did see several times where someone would buy a tshirt, remove the shirt they were wearing, put the new one on and toss the old one in a garbage can. I saw both guys and girls do that.

It's possible his family didn't even know he liked the GD. And, a lot of deadheads have no contact with their families anyway.

Just my thoughts.

glorybug
06-10-2010, 03:38 PM
It was my understanding that there weren't ever really all that many fans that actually travelled to ALL the shows. I am going to guess the majority were like my ex- they went to shows in their state mostly, and I think he was an exception- my guess is that GDF actually lived somewhere within a 2-3 hour distance from where the concert was held.

It's not likely he was directly from the area, but probably at least far enough away that he would need to find a place to stay overnight in order to see both shows. It was common to stay over at a 'friend of a friend' that you did not know.

Not having drugs/alcohol in his system is interesting. The few shows I went to, the drugs were being traded/used openly. There was so much pot being smoked that there was a heavy haze over the crowd at an outdoor stadium. They had open bars. He may have been one of the 'straight-edgers'. Not using drugs/drinking, crashing at someone's house for free might have left him just enough money to buy the 2 tickets and the shirt.

Rethinking what I wrote before, considering he had 2 tickets from 2 shows, I can't see how anyone who wasn't fairly into it could sit through 2 of those shows. They would essentially have been the same show twice. But, if he was that big of a fan, I'd expect he would have spent his last dollar buying a sticker or something. I really think his family did not know he was into that music. He could have been estranged from them for years.

Other shows I have been to are strict about the seating on the ticket, but I did not see that at the shows I went to- people moved around from seat to seat and area to area, so I don't think that could be helpful.

I really think following all clues that don't involve GD might be helpful, and I really do think looking for missing persons within a 3 hour distance should be looked into.

Earthbound Misfit I
06-10-2010, 07:26 PM
Interesting post! So, basically if we are looking for someone who was missing approximately a 3 hour distance from where the Grateful Dead shows were those two evenings (RFK Stadium in Washington, DC), then it's possible that GDF was almost home. GFD and driver died in Emporia, Virginia which is approximately a 3 hour and 15 minute drive, more or less.

NCSleuth
06-15-2010, 09:30 AM
I have always wondered if Jason was almost home. If I were drving from DC to Inman SC I would have taken the I-85 Exit near Petersburg, I would not have come down to Emporia and taken 58 over to I-85, which it appears he was doing. Did the driver take a small detour to take Jason home? Did he miss the I-85 exit near Petersburg (very easy to do), or did the fathers house take them on this route. We know the driver visited his fathers house, but I have never heard where the house is located. I know Glouchester County, but not sure of the address. So many questions!

Earthbound Misfit I
06-15-2010, 01:48 PM
I found a Dr. H G H who lives on Queens Drive in Williamsburg, VA. It looks like because of the stop at his father's place he took I-95 instead? IMO, I think once he reached Emporia, VA, it seems to me he was going to take US 58 across to I-85 and head down into NC and down to home (Inman, SC). Was it his intent to take Jason home with him?? I dunno??

ETA: REMOVED link to map...going to edit map to make some corrections



I have always wondered if Jason was almost home. If I were drving from DC to Inman SC I would have taken the I-85 Exit near Petersburg, I would not have come down to Emporia and taken 58 over to I-85, which it appears he was doing. Did the driver take a small detour to take Jason home? Did he miss the I-85 exit near Petersburg (very easy to do), or did the fathers house take them on this route. We know the driver visited his fathers house, but I have never heard where the house is located. I know Glouchester County, but not sure of the address. So many questions!

NCSleuth
06-15-2010, 03:31 PM
I agree, it looks like he was taking 58 from I95 over to I85, but that is not the shortest route. It adds about 25 miles to his trip. That is not much, but it still not the preferred route from Williamsburg, VA to Inman, SC. Question is did he do that on purpose? Taking Jason home along the route? (somewhere between Emporia and South Hill, VA) Just knew that route better? Missed an exit?

You know, I always assumed he came down to Emporia and took 58W to I85, do we know that for sure? did he take I85 down to South Hill and 58E toward Emporia. Was he heading west when the accident occurred?

Earthbound Misfit I
06-15-2010, 04:44 PM
Hmmm...I guess in reality we don't really know what route he took? We only know that he ended up having the car accident just west of Emporia, VA on US 58. He could have actually taken another route to wind up there. I need to go back and read through things better. Do you know what time he left his father's home? If we knew an approximate time and barring he didn't make any stops,if we knew what time the accident happened, we might be able to figure out the route he took? It's difficult to say. So much for the map, lol! It's not going to help us much now!


I agree, it looks like he was taking 58 from I95 over to I85, but that is not the shortest route. It adds about 25 miles to his trip. That is not much, but it still not the preferred route from Williamsburg, VA to Inman, SC. Question is did he do that on purpose? Taking Jason home along the route? (somewhere between Emporia and South Hill, VA) Just knew that route better? Missed an exit?

You know, I always assumed he came down to Emporia and took 58W to I85, do we know that for sure? did he take I85 down to South Hill and 58E toward Emporia. Was he heading west when the accident occurred?

Earthbound Misfit I
06-15-2010, 05:59 PM
If you don't mind I want to "take our conversation over to the thread about the driver of the van so it will make it easier to find later. Here is a link to that thread The Driver - Michael Eric Hager - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community.

If a mod wants to move the part of the thread here that talks about the driver and his route he may have taken the day of the accident that would be fantastic, if not, I can just cross-link them.



I agree, it looks like he was taking 58 from I95 over to I85, but that is not the shortest route. It adds about 25 miles to his trip. That is not much, but it still not the preferred route from Williamsburg, VA to Inman, SC. Question is did he do that on purpose? Taking Jason home along the route? (somewhere between Emporia and South Hill, VA) Just knew that route better? Missed an exit?

You know, I always assumed he came down to Emporia and took 58W to I85, do we know that for sure? did he take I85 down to South Hill and 58E toward Emporia. Was he heading west when the accident occurred?

Earthbound Misfit I
06-17-2010, 08:25 PM
I want to correct myself here. I do not believe that Dr. H G H is Michael Eric Hager's (Driver of van) father. I believe he is Michael's grandfather or uncle. This may through another loop in the whole map problem even further, if that's possible! Back to the drawing board.


I found a Dr. H G H who lives on Queens Drive in Williamsburg, VA. It looks like because of the stop at his father's place he took I-95 instead? IMO, I think once he reached Emporia, VA, it seems to me he was going to take US 58 across to I-85 and head down into NC and down to home (Inman, SC). Was it his intent to take Jason home with him?? I dunno??

Helper
06-23-2010, 11:35 AM
The ticket stubs would have helped identify Jason had he either bought the tickets from Ticketmaster using a credit card or if he had mail-ordered tickets from Grateful Dead Ticket Service in San Rafael. Obviously, he did neither. I don't think it matters whether he got the ticket for free, paid full price or paid above face value to a scalper. For that matter, I don't think it matters if he actually went into the show. I think all evidence points to him obtaining the tickets at RFK and going to the show.

Earthbound Misfit I
06-23-2010, 12:03 PM
It may have helped to determine if he had a job or even a family, if he purchased the tickets himself. If he received the tickets for free (also known as "miracle ticket") he would most likely be pleading poverty which would mean he most likely didn't have a job, etc..



The ticket stubs would have helped identify Jason had he either bought the tickets from Ticketmaster using a credit card or if he had mail-ordered tickets from Grateful Dead Ticket Service in San Rafael. Obviously, he did neither. I don't think it matters whether he got the ticket for free, paid full price or paid above face value to a scalper. For that matter, I don't think it matters if he actually went into the show. I think all evidence points to him obtaining the tickets at RFK and going to the show.

blue_the_puppy
07-20-2010, 10:10 AM
do we know where jason's seats were located?

i wonder if investigators tracked down the folks who sat in the seats around him?

Helper
07-21-2010, 05:03 PM
Photos of the tickets are posted online. I think it would be almost impossible to track down who had purchased the adjoining seats. Chances are they were sold by the same scalper. In any event, even if you could identify his "neighbors" at the concert, there is a good chance he didn't even spend much time, if any, in his assigned seat. Even if he did, I doubt that he anyone would remember a whole lot about any identifying information 15 years later.

blue_the_puppy
07-22-2010, 10:05 AM
helper, i know it's probably not much use now, but i was more wondering if the people sitting around him had been tracked down 15 years ago.

i am a huge fan of a band that has a fanbase kinda like the grateful dead (traveling to multiple shows, etc) and i *always* end up talking to the folks sitting around me before the show, even if i didn't know them before. just things like where are you from, how many shows are you seeing this tour, etc.

if jason's seat locations were made known in the media immediately after it happened, perhaps someone would have remembered talking to him. of course, as you said, he may or may not actually spent a significant amount of time in that seat. just thinking out loud ..

Spacemonkey1975
08-02-2010, 10:03 PM
The driver was rolling in a VW Vanagon, they are quicker than the old vans but not always great at freeway speeds. Depending on the year and condition he may have stayed off interstates in favor of slower highways. Also as a VW van guy myself I'd probably hang a U-turn to pickup a hitchhiker in a dead shirt.....

scaredtopost
08-04-2010, 05:51 PM
The driver was rolling in a VW Vanagon, they are quicker than the old vans but not always great at freeway speeds. Depending on the year and condition he may have stayed off interstates in favor of slower highways. Also as a VW van guy myself I'd probably hang a U-turn to pickup a hitchhiker in a dead shirt.....

Your quote actually made me smile, which is a stark contrast from my usual reaction to this thread. It is so disturbing to think that the driver was absolutley doing JD a favor by picking him up that evening. However, the end result was something neither of them could have predicted. So sad.

Earthbound Misfit I
08-08-2010, 04:49 PM
Is anyone able to read the ticket stubs clearly enough to read what the row #, section #, seat # are?

Cymro
10-09-2011, 07:01 PM
In terms of GD Doe being "almost home" there was a show on March 22 1995 in Charlotte, NC. While the location of the accident is closer to DC than to Charlotte, had the Doe lived much further along the route being taken by the driver, it would have been more natural for him to attend that show, presuming of course that he could make it or that he didn't go to both shows.

Also, being on VA-58 only makes sense if the driver took I95 first. Heading for SC, I'd have taken I85 instead. Possibly they took a wrong turning out of Richmond, or perhaps that is where the Doe was picked up.

Alternatively, the I95-I495 interchange would be a logical place for the paths of someone coming from Fairfax and someone coming from the RFK Stadium to cross; finally, Doe could have ridden the Orange Line as far west as he could and then hoped to meet someone heading for I66/I81 but have taken another ride.

Helper
10-12-2011, 12:40 PM
As far as being more natural for him to have gone to the Charlotte show, it is not unusual for a Dead Head to go to a number of shows even on the same tour. The Grateful Dead did not play the same set every night (never actually repeated the exact same set) so fans would not think twice about seeing the group play again in another town even if they had recently seen them.

brianpoteat
04-13-2012, 10:34 AM
I grew up with the driver, Eric Hager, and was still good friends with him when he died. From what I remember of the time, he had seen the dead in DC and was heading back to Columbia, SC where we went to Univ. of South Carolina (so I-95 would have been more likely than I-85). I don't know if he visited his father but I *think* his dad lived in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area.

His mother and step-father lived in Inman, SC (technically but actually Boiling Springs/Spartanburg, SC) but he was living in Columbia.

Nobody in our group of friends knew at all the rider who was with Eric. If I were to guess I would say it was a hitch-hiking deadhead going to the next show.

If there is any other info I might be able to offer, feel free to ask. It's been such a long time I'm not sure how much I can remember.

noZme
04-14-2012, 09:47 PM
I grew up with the driver, Eric Hager, and was still good friends with him when he died. From what I remember of the time, he had seen the dead in DC and was heading back to Columbia, SC where we went to Univ. of South Carolina (so I-95 would have been more likely than I-85). I don't know if he visited his father but I *think* his dad lived in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area.

His mother and step-father lived in Inman, SC (technically but actually Boiling Springs/Spartanburg, SC) but he was living in Columbia.

Nobody in our group of friends knew at all the rider who was with Eric. If I were to guess I would say it was a hitch-hiking deadhead going to the next show.

If there is any other info I might be able to offer, feel free to ask. It's been such a long time I'm not sure how much I can remember.

Welcome to Websleuths!
Condolences on the loss of your friend.
Are you saying that Eric had been to the DC concert?

brianpoteat
04-16-2012, 11:26 AM
Welcome to Websleuths!
Condolences on the loss of your friend.
Are you saying that Eric had been to the DC concert?

I'm pretty certain of it. It was also common for many to go to Dead shows without a ticket just to try to get one and just hang out in the parking lot if not. I don't remember if he did that often but he had gotten into a group of friends that did so it would not have surprised me if he went but didn't actually get a ticker or get to see them.

NCSleuth
04-18-2012, 02:58 PM
I grew up with the driver, Eric Hager, and was still good friends with him when he died. From what I remember of the time, he had seen the dead in DC and was heading back to Columbia, SC where we went to Univ. of South Carolina (so I-95 would have been more likely than I-85). I don't know if he visited his father but I *think* his dad lived in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area.

His mother and step-father lived in Inman, SC (technically but actually Boiling Springs/Spartanburg, SC) but he was living in Columbia.

Nobody in our group of friends knew at all the rider who was with Eric. If I were to guess I would say it was a hitch-hiking deadhead going to the next show.

If there is any other info I might be able to offer, feel free to ask. It's been such a long time I'm not sure how much I can remember.

WOW. if Eric Hager had been to the concert, that puts an entirely different spin on things. Its always been said he was visiting his girlfriend and did not attend the concert.

Regardless, if he was headed to Columbia instead of Inman, SC, why was he on hwy 58 west of Emporia? Possibly east of Emporia if he has visited his father and was on hwy 58 going towards I-95, but why didn't he get onto I95? Did he miss the exit? Did he come down I-95 and get off at hwy58 to take Jason home? so many questions.

Brianpoteat, thanks for the info. I grew up near this area and have followed this case for a long time. thanks.

eeyorelrn
04-22-2012, 01:15 AM
I-85 Goes through Spartanburg SC headed towards Atlanta. If he was heading to Inman, then Columbia, I-85 would have been the route to choose. I-95 heads down NC between Raleigh and Greenville NC, through Fayetteville, into SC near Dillon, then through Florence (where he would have to catch I20 to get to columbia) and Orangeburg (where he would have to head back up I-26 to columbia.)

I-95 would only make sense if he were heading back directly to columbia. If heading to Inman, Hwy 58 to I85 makes perfect sense.

LucyOso
04-22-2012, 01:59 AM
I'm pretty certain of it. It was also common for many to go to Dead shows without a ticket just to try to get one and just hang out in the parking lot if not. I don't remember if he did that often but he had gotten into a group of friends that did so it would not have surprised me if he went but didn't actually get a ticker or get to see them.

Very true! Many people who go to dead shows, especially those who follow the dead, don't have tickets or the money for them. People walk around the parking lots with signs or call out looking for a ticket. They say, "I need a miracle." I need a miracle is a reference to a song, but, it is also the language used for those seeking a free extra ticket. People get miracles all the time, especially young women.

LucyOso
04-22-2012, 02:07 AM
Is anyone able to read the ticket stubs clearly enough to read what the row #, section #, seat # are?

Most dead shows are open seating. Usually, depending on the stadium, the floor is open for dancing. Very few people actually sit in assigned seats or even make it to them if they are assigned...LOL. Usually seating is only used for fire safety/capacity purposes. The problem with the seating is tickets change hands so many time prior to a show, it would be really hard to tell who had them. Even if the were purchased in bulk by one person, they usually get liquidated in the parking lot. As he didn't have ID or a credit card, I doubt he went through ticket master or will call for them. He also could have simply picked up used tickets in the parking lot. A lot of people do that, even if they do not go inside. mainly, because at most dead show venues you can hear the music outside anyway...

cmlegend99
04-26-2012, 12:29 PM
Do you know if he has any pictures from this concert?? Could you contact his father and see? Maybe that could give some clues?

thefinder
05-23-2012, 03:43 PM
Does anyone know where the driver of the VW was heading? Was he on his way to work, was he driving further away? He was obviously heading in the same general direction as JD.

brianpoteat
05-23-2012, 03:47 PM
Does anyone know where the driver of the VW was heading? Was he on his way to work, was he driving further away? He was obviously heading in the same general direction as JD.

He was coming to South Carolina, either Spartanburg or Columbia, since his mom lived in Spartanburg and he went to school and lived in Columbia. I don't think we'll be able to figure out which one, though the fact that he was on 58 makes it seem like he was heading towards I-85 to go towards Spartanburg.

It's possible JD was trying to head towards friends or family on the way (or maybe further) but that's just speculation.

Mels3kidz
06-20-2012, 12:56 AM
I have always wondered if Jason was almost home. If I were drving from DC to Inman SC I would have taken the I-85 Exit near Petersburg, I would not have come down to Emporia and taken 58 over to I-85, which it appears he was doing. Did the driver take a small detour to take Jason home? Did he miss the I-85 exit near Petersburg (very easy to do), or did the fathers house take them on this route. We know the driver visited his fathers house, but I have never heard where the house is located. I know Glouchester County, but not sure of the address. So many questions!

I think the thought that he might have been nearly home fits in well with the ME's feeling that the family contacted them. I wonder how widely this was broadcast immediately after the accident. It probably made the news in the surrounding counties at the very least.....I know that I'm hung up on this *being local* thing but its just gnawing at me.

Mel

LucyOso
06-27-2012, 12:04 PM
I've never bought the idea that Jason would be carrying stubs for tickets that he didn't use. That just seems so odd to me that someone would want ticket stubs after the fact for a concert he didn't attend. Jason wasn't even carrying ID and yet he had stubs he was taking home as a keepsake for a concert he didn't attend...

I have been to multiple grateful dead shows. There is a possibility Jason did in fact pick up a ticket stub and try to enter the show. Depending on the venue people can osometimes get "re-admission" on a ticket if they have a good enough excuse (give the dog water, forgot medication, etc). Many people leave shows part way through due to multiple factors...including being way too high. Often they will hand a ticket stub to someone outside view of the ticket checkers with hopes they can get in. Sometimes it does work. Most times not, but, it is always worth a try to catch the last set or few songs or what not. The tickets to me are a dead end because considering miracles, how people pick up tickets, etc...it could have passed through many many hands before getting to him.

LucyOso
06-27-2012, 12:24 PM
I think the thought that he might have been nearly home fits in well with the ME's feeling that the family contacted them. I wonder how widely this was broadcast immediately after the accident. It probably made the news in the surrounding counties at the very least.....I know that I'm hung up on this *being local* thing but its just gnawing at me.

Mel

Here is another idea. Jerry was really, really ill during this time. In fact, he died in August of 1995. For those who haven't been to a ton of dead shows, Jerry's stage performance was highly dissapointing...forgetting songs, had his amp and mic turned way down because he was mentally and physically suffering, etc. So, lets say Jason was one of thousands of kids I have known who deciede to follow the dead. When he finally arrives on the scene in 1995 (maybe this was a string of shows he attended that year) the hype is far greater then the tales he heard on the road. The scene had totally changed. For the first time in history on July 7th, 1995 a Dead show was cancelled due to corwds throwing rocks, etc...not exactly the peace and love scene...the concert vibes and whole parking lot scene changed. So...there is a possibility this guy was disappointed and maybe in his quest to find"family, community" etc...decided to try something else...perhaps Phish tour or the Rainbow family. I was a teenager at that time who attended a lot of dead shows and knew many many kids who drifted back and forth between these groups trying to find that place they fit in. Many of these kids started out as runaways and at the time...once they turned 18 they no longer were listed as missing as they "aged out" and were now adults. Portland oregon was a "mecca" for runaways or young adults at the time. It was the grunge scene and I new many kids who ran away to there first chance they got. I think the best place to look is the various places the Dead played in 1995 as potential places Jason came from or "hopped on tour".

http://www.dead.net/shows-by-year/1995

LucyOso
06-27-2012, 12:40 PM
What if the Carolines gave Jason the ticket stubs with the note? Maybe Jason was never at the concert. Or maybe he couldn't get a ticket so he hung around outside the concert. There are so many maybes here. He has 2 ticket stubs but the car's driver really didn't know him and was not at the concert. So where did Jason's concert partner go? Or were they really Jason's ticket stubs?

Salem

Here is my thing about the note. Where did the note come from. I can't imagine the Caroline's taking the time to write a note to hand to him. They would just talk with him. A dead show parking lot is crazy, people often rely on posting stuff places as they often don't see eachother for days, unless they are really traveling together. So (if the note was intended for him and he didn't just pick it up somewhere) where did he get the note? To me they didn't hand him the note....so the note had to be attached to some object for him to find. Was there a car that brokedown...not uncommon. Was he traveling with the Caroline's or perhaps they were traveling with him and found another ride. Were there any cars left in the parking lot at the dead show that had to be towed because they were disabled or just left there. Could one of these be his car? Was he with the Caroline's and kept missing them at the concert, found the note on the car and they took off while he was wandering around and they had his belongings in their car. It is odd he had nothing with him. No jacket, extra socks, toothbrush, etc. Unless he did have stuff in the van and it was misidentified as the driver's. The note is a good clue in the fact that it had to have been placed somewhere for him to find.

LucyOso
06-27-2012, 12:50 PM
I have always wondered if Jason was almost home. If I were drving from DC to Inman SC I would have taken the I-85 Exit near Petersburg, I would not have come down to Emporia and taken 58 over to I-85, which it appears he was doing. Did the driver take a small detour to take Jason home? Did he miss the I-85 exit near Petersburg (very easy to do), or did the fathers house take them on this route. We know the driver visited his fathers house, but I have never heard where the house is located. I know Glouchester County, but not sure of the address. So many questions!

Any chance he was hitch hiking to the Rainbow gathering in New Mexico. That ran in early July of 1995 in New Mexico. Could also explain why he took a ride south instead of north-east to the next set of shows.

There is a lot of footage, pictures, etc from rainbow Gatherings in 1994 and 1995. He didn't make the 1995 gathering, but, I wonder if some of the photo and video archives of previous gathering could have some clues. Here are examples of things posted online...

http://archive.org/search.php?query=rainbow%20gathering

http://jh.photoshelter.com/gallery/Deadheads-and-the-last-days-of-the-Grateful-Dead-1994-1995/G0000N_HSZ4XLtDU random pictures

JRW
10-12-2014, 12:50 AM
Most grateful dead shows people dont really sit in the seats... they tend to roam its usually general admission and if his tickets did have seat numbers he may have never made it to those seats in the first place
do we know where jason's seats were located?

i wonder if investigators tracked down the folks who sat in the seats around him?

LucyOso
10-12-2014, 11:32 PM
Most grateful dead shows people dont really sit in the seats... they tend to roam its usually general admission and if his tickets did have seat numbers he may have never made it to those seats in the first place

You are correct. The entire floor is standing and dancing. General admission. Some seats can be found in bigger stadiums or venues off the dance floor.