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SeriouslySearching
07-24-2008, 08:51 PM
Please post anything related to the 911 calls in this case here:

Blue_Dolphin308
07-24-2008, 09:07 PM
to me, it sounds like before Cindy says hello and gets into the second call , she is working herself up, so that it sounds like she is really upset. take a listn and tell me what you think, first 5 seconds to the call.

sounds like she is faking the crying IMO

Carrington
07-24-2008, 09:32 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-marie-anthony-911-mp3,0,4977570.mp3file
First call

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-marie-anthony2-911-mp3,0,7658760.mp3file
Second call

Need QuickTime to play

lilywhite
07-24-2008, 09:40 PM
IMO:

Call #1 = "Tough Love" -- Cindy has had it. Casey is being irresponsible and disappearing for long periods of time, with the car her parents provide for her, staying god knows where with god knows who. How many times has Cindy "had it"? Who knows. But this time Casey is keeping Caylee from her and Cindy isn't having any of that BS. So she's making the call regarding the stolen car to send Casey a message: "Your crap isn't going to fly around here, young lady." I come from a very dysfunctional family, and believe me when I tell you I can practically hear the fight that precedes this phone call.

Call #2 = Cindy fresh from the revelation that Casey herself hasn't even seen Caylee in a month. Whether she believes Casey's story or not (and it appears from her explanation to someone who comes in to the room while she's on the phone that she does believe Casey's story at least in the beginning), she's absolutely beside herself. She expected the "tough love" to push Casey into producing Caylee. (I think Cindy is used to getting her own way with these two. Without knowing more about Casey and Cindy and their relationship it's impossible to say whether Cindy was an overbearing Grandma who overstepped her bounds or a Grandma struggling as best she could to provide the stable environment for Caylee that Casey clearly could not. Either way, I don't think Cindy is used to not getting her way with Casey.)

I rambled so much I've lost my own point. But, yeah ... those are my impressions. (Unedited and unabridged!)

gitana1
07-25-2008, 01:30 AM
Am I out of my mind here or did I hear Cindy say on the second 911 call, while hysterical that she called to report the car stolen by her daughter before, and now her daughter has just admited that Caylee has been missing for a month and that "the car smells like a dead body" was in it????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I or did I not hear that?

SuziQ
07-25-2008, 01:38 AM
Read Text Of 911 Calls In Missing Girl Mystery


http://www.local6.com/news/16983743/detail.html

gitana1
07-25-2008, 02:11 AM
So, Cindy absolutely knew that ther may have been a dead body in the missing car on the day she called the cops. Now she says that they knew all along what the smell was and earlier she said it was rotting pizza. But, she obviously did not think that during the 2nd 911 call. She was frantic and it looks like she thought the worse. Now she's trying to backtrack and cover for her kid. The problem is that by doing this, what happened to Caylee may never be known. Perhaps she does not want to ever know. What a mess!

Hailiejade77
07-25-2008, 10:10 AM
Here is my take on the 911 calls. First of there were THREE 911 calls. The first call was placed in front of the closed police station or substation. The 911 operator told her to go home and call. Cindy took Casey home. She is still getting, "She is with Zanny mom, she is sleeping we will get her tomorrow." BS and Cindy has HAD it with her. She basically is saying I want to see Caylee and Casey is coming up with BS lies. So to try to RILE her she calls and reports the credit cards and car stolen. And POSSIBLY a missing three year old. She doesn't realize in the 1st and 2nd 911 call that Caylee is ACTUALLY missing! (it would be the 1st 911 call that we are hearing) After she gets off the phone with 911, Lee has finally gotten out of Casey that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days. So she calls back frantic about Caylee being missing. She really and truly sounds upset in this 911 call.
Earlier on I feel that she might have been involved in actually covering up the disposal of Caylee's body and knew in fact that she is dead and trying to keep Casey out of the public eye. NOW I feel like she HAS TO BELIEVE Casey or otherwise her mind will go to what we all think happened to Caylee, that her mother killed her. She is in COMPLETE denial, and she just wants Caylee home. JMO

gypsiechavi
07-25-2008, 11:13 AM
Just found this on youtube. Cindy Anthony Explains Panicked 911 Calls

Seems to just cut off. Interesting response from Cindy. I am curious if there is the entire video of this out there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuvHz6g20bc

gypsiechavi
07-25-2008, 11:14 AM
Found this under related videos. It is three mins long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aie3N6fxAyU

Hailiejade77
07-25-2008, 05:50 PM
All the phone calls,..
all three 911 calls,.. and the entire jailhouse call from Casey to the family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-audio-caylee-marie-missing-072508,0,237054.audiogallery
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Ciara
07-25-2008, 10:11 PM
Read Text Of 911 Calls In Missing Girl Mystery


http://www.local6.com/news/16983743/detail.html


I have been trying to read all the threads here but they move sooo fast. Anyway I have just been reading not posting although I am following this story on Fox news as thats all we get in the UK.

Why does Casey say in one of those calls that she spoke to Caylee for a minute and did she mean that day??

I think she has murdered this poor child without a doubt and she needs to stop BSing and tell the truth about where she has put her.

MistyGirl
07-28-2008, 10:55 AM
I thought it might be nice to post the transcpripts because there is such a debat about what exactly was said in the conversations:

1st 911 Call Placed
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/transcript_of_third_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.ht ml

This is the transcript of another 911 call from Cindy Anthony on July 15, before earlier ones released Thursday.
In this phone call, Cindy was transferred to Orlando police.

Orlando Police Department: Hello.
Cindy Anthony: Hi, I drove to the Police Department here on Pershing [Avenue, in Orlando], but you guys are closed. I need to bring someone in to the Police Department. Can you tell me where I can -- the closest one I can come in to?
OPD: What are you trying to accomplish by bringing them to the station?
Cindy: I have a 22-year-old person that has, um, grand theft, sitting in my auto with me.
OPD: So the 22-year-old person stole something?
Cindy: Yes.
OPD: Is this a relative?
Cindy: Yes.
OPD: Where did they steal it from?
Cindy: Um, my car, and also money.
OPD: OK, is this your son?
Cindy: Daughter.
OPD: OK, so your daughter stole money from your car?
Cindy: No, my car was stolen. We've retrieved it today. We found out where it was at, and retrieved it. I've got that, and I've got affidavits for my banking account. I want to bring her in. I want to press charges.
OPD: Where -- where did all of this happen?
Cindy: Oh, it -- it's been happening.
OPD: I know, but I need to establish a jurisdiction, is what I'm trying --
Cindy: Oh, I live in -- um, in Orlando.
OPD: Yeah, but what address did these thefts occur at?
Cindy: Um, well I guess my residence, I guess.
OPD: What's that? OK.
Cindy Anthony gives the officer her address.
OPD: That's actually going to be in the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Office, ma'am.
Cindy: OK.
OPD: Not the Orlando Police Department.
Cindy: All righty.
OPD: Let me transfer you over to the Communications section for Orange County.
Cindy: OK, now is the Orlando sheriff's department the one on 436, that -- is that open this afternoon or this evening?
OPD: Um, the substation you're at, on Pershing, if it's Orlando police, we're open primarily during the day.
Cindy: Uh-huh.
OPD: But that's not the sheriff's. That's a city police, which does not have jurisdiction for your address.
Cindy: Right. I know of the Sheriff's Department on 5th -- I mean on 436.
OPD: Well, what I'm going to do, is I'm going to transfer you to the Sheriff's Comunications section, and you can, um, determine that. Hold on.
Cindy: OK.
The officer transfers the call.
Cindy:(speaking to Casey Anthony) Because my next thing will be down to child (inaudible) and we'll have a court order to get her. If that's what you want to play, then we'll do it, and you'll never
Casey Anthony: Well, that's not the way I want to (inaudible)
Cindy: Well, then you have --
Casey: Give me one more day.
Cindy: No, I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month.

MistyGirl
07-28-2008, 10:56 AM
2nd 911 Call Placed
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/24/transcript_of_first_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.ht ml

This is the transcript of the first 911 call from Cindy Anthony on July 15.
Dispatch: 911, what’s happening?
Cindy: Umm…I have someone here that I need to, umm, be arrested, in my home.
Dispatch: They’re there right now?
Cindy: And I have a possible missing child. I have a 3-year-old that’s been missing for a month.
Dispatch: A 3-year-old?
Cindy: Yes.
Dispatch: Have you reported that?
Cindy: I’m trying to do that now ma’am.
Dispatch: OK, what did the person do that you need arrested?
Cindy: My daughter.
Dispatch: For what?
Cindy: For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone they said they would patch me through the Orlando, umm, Sheriff’s Department, have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no one … They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them.
Dispatch: So she stole your vehicle?
Cindy: Yes.
Dispatch: When did she do that?
Cindy: Umm on the 30th. I just got it back from the impound. I’d like to speak to an officer. Can you have someone come out to my house?
Dispatch: OK. OK. I have to ask you these questions so I can put them in in the call OK?
Cindy: OK.
Dispatch: The 30th of June?
Cindy: Yes
Dispatch: OK, how old is your daughter?
Cindy: 22.
Dispatch: OK, what’s her name?
Cindy: My name?
Dispatch: Her name.
Cindy: Her name?
Dispatch: And you said you have this vehicle back?
Cindy: Yes. And I have the, umm, statements.
Dispatch: She’s there right now?
Cindy: Yes I got her. I finally found her after a month. She’s been missing for a month. I found her, but we can’t find my granddaughter.
Cindy: Umm, 5 foot, 1-and-a-half.
Dispatch: Thin, medium or heavy-built?
Cindy: Thin.
Dispatch: Color hair?
Cindy: Brown.
Dispatch: What color, uh, shirt is she wearing?
Cindy: White.
Dispatch: What color pants?
Cindy: Ohh, they’re shorts. They're, umm, plaid. They’re like pink and teal and white and black. Plaid.
Dispatch: Does she have any weapons on her?
Cindy: No.
Dispatch: Is she not telling you where her daughter is?
Cindy: Correct.
Dispatch: OK, we’ll have a deputy out to you as soon as one is available. OK
Cindy: Thank you.
Dispatch: Thank you.
Dispatch: Bye.
Cindy: Bye.

MistyGirl
07-28-2008, 10:57 AM
3rd 911 Call placed
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/24/transcript_of_second_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.h tml

This is the transcript of the second 911 call from Cindy Anthony on July 15.
Dispatch: 911. What’s your emergency?
Cindy: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff ‘s (inaudible). My granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she’s been missing. I want someone here now.
Dispatch: OK, what is the address that you’re calling from?
Cindy: We’re talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.
Dispatch: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?
Cindy: That the babysitter took her a month ago. That my daughter’s been looking for. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can’t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she’s been trying to find her herself. There’s something wrong. I found my daughter’s car today, and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.
Dispatch: Ok what is the 3-year-old’s name?
Cindy: Caylee. C-A-Y-L-E-E Anthony.
Dispatch: Caylee Anthony?
Cindy: Yes.
Dispatch: OK, is she white, black or Hispanic?
Cindy: She’s white.
Dispatch: How long has she been missing for?
Cindy: I have not seen her since the 7th of June.
Dispatch: What is her date of birth?
Cindy: Um, 8, 9, um, oh god, she’s 3. 2005. So it’s Caylee missing? Caylee’s missing! Casey said Zani took her a month ago. She said that she found, um ….
Dispatch: OK, I understand. Can you just, can you calm down for me for just a minute? I need to know what’s going on, OK? I’m gonna try and …
Cindy: We’re so worried we can barely keep still. (sobbing)
Dispatch: Is your daughter there?
Cindy: (in the background) I’m on the phone with them.
Dispatch: Is your daughter there?
Cindy: Yes.
Dispatch: Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you.
Cindy: (in the background) I called them two hours ago, and they haven’t gotten here. Casey finally admitted that Zani took her a month ago. I have to try and find her.
Dispatch: Ma’am, Ma’am.
Cindy: (in the background) Casey. Here, it’s the sheriff’s department. They want to talk with you. Answer their questions.
Casey: Hello?
Dispatch: Hello.
Casey: Yes
Dispatch: Hi. What can you, can you tell me what’s doing on a little bit?
Casey: I’m sorry?
Dispatch: Can you tell me a little bit of what’s going on?
Casey: My daughter’s been missing for the last 31 days.
Dispatch: And you know who has her?
Casey: I know who has her. I’ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.
Dispatch: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?
Casey: Um, yes, my mom did.
Dispatch: OK, so there’s been a vehicle stolen too?
Casey: No, this was my vehicle.
Dispatch: What vehicle was stolen?
Casey: Um, it’s a ’98 Pontiac Sunfire.
Dispatch: OK, I have deputies on the way to you right now for that. But now your, now your 3-year-old daughter is missing? Caylee Anthony?
Casey: Yes. Caylee Marie Anthony.
Dispatch: White female.
Casey: Yes, white female.
Dispatch: 3 years old? 8/9/2005 her date of birth?
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: And you last saw her a month ago?
Casey: 31 days. Um, 31 days.
Dispatch: Who has her? Do you have a name?
Casey: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Dispatch: Who is that? The babysitter?
Casey: She’s been my nanny for about a year and a half, almost two years.
Dispatch: Why are you calling now? Why didn’t you call 31 days ago?
Casey: I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which is stupid.
Dispatch: OK, can you, can you give me the name of the nanny again? Like spell it out for me?
Casey: Zenaida Z-E-N-A-I-D-A
Dispatch: Last name?
Casey: Fernandez.
Dispatch: Fernandez?
Casey: Fernandez-Gonzalez. I think the officers are here.
Dispatch: The officers are there?
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: OK, hold on for a second. Don’t hang up with me yet. OK

MistyGirl
07-28-2008, 11:02 AM
911 Audio Links

1st Call Placed - http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7065255&version=1&locale=EN-US

2nd Call Placed -
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7059748&version=1&locale=EN-US

3rd Call Placed -
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7059724&version=1&locale=EN-US

MistyGirl
07-28-2008, 11:26 AM
Jail house conversation with Cindy, Lee & Kristina -

Audio - http://www.baynews9.com/VideoPlayer/?anthony_jailhouse_phonecall_726

Transcript - http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7068416&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) --The following is the transcript from a call made by Casey Anthony from the Orange County Jail on July 16th to her grandmother, Cindy, and brother, Lee. Kristina' is a friend whose last name is unknown.

Cindy Anthony: "Casey?"

Casey Anthony: "Mom, I just saw your nice little cameo on TV."

Cindy Anthony: "Which one."

Casey Anthony: "What do you mean, which one?"

Cindy Anthony: "Which one? I did four different ones, and I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far."

Casey Anthony: "You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?"

Cindy Anthony: "Casey."

Casey Anthony: "Mom.

Cindy Anthony: "No, I don't know what you involvement is, sweetheart. You are not telling me where she's at."

Casey Anthony: "Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at. You are kidding me?"

Cindy Anthony: "Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me.

Casey Anthony: "Waste my call sitting in the jail?"

Cindy Anthony: "Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail? Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

Casey Anthony: "Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is. I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

Cindy Anthony: "I don't have his number.

Casey Anthony: "Well, get it from Lee. I know Lee is at the house. I saw Mallory's car was out front. It was just on the news. They were just live outside the house."

Cindy Anthony: "I know they were.

Casey Anthony: "Well?"

Casey Anthony: "Can you get Tony's number for me so I can call him?"

Lee Anthony: "Hello?"

Casey Anthony: "Hi. Can you get me Tony's number?"

Lee Anthony: "I can do that but I don't know what good it's going to do you at this point.


Casey Anthony: "Well, I'd like to talk to him any way because I called to talk to my mother and it is a (expletive) waste. By the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything. I mean don't even (expletive) waste your time coming up here."

Lee Anthony: "You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..."

Casey Anthony: "See that is just it, every..."

Lee Anthony: "You are not even letting me finish.

Casey Anthony: "Go ahead..

Lee Anthony: "First, you are asking me for Tony's phone number so you can call him and then you immediately want to start pressing toward me and don't even worry about coming up here for all this stuff and trying to cut us out.

Casey Anthony: "I'm not trying to cut anybody out..

Lee Anthony: "I'm not going around and around with you. You know, that is pretty pointless. I'm not going to put everyone else through the same stuff that you've been putting the police and everybody else for the last 24 hours and the stuff you've been putting mom through for the last four or five weeks. I'm done with that. So, you can tell me what's going on. Kristina would love to talk to you because she thinks you will tell her what's going on. Frankly, we are going to find out, whatever is going on is going to be found out. So, why not do it now?"

Casey Anthony: "There is nothing to find out. There is absolutely nothing to find out. Not even what I told the detectives. I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

Lee Anthony: "Anyway, you only have a couple of minutes with this so I'm not going to let you completely waste it. Here is Kristina."

Casey Anthony: "No, no. I want Tony's number. I'm not talking to anybody else."

Kristina: "Hello."

Casey Anthony: "Hi, I'm glad everybody is at my house but I'll have to call you later or I'll have to call to get somebody to get your number. Do me a favor and get my brother back because I need Tony's number."

Kristina: "OK. Is there anything I can do for you?"

Casey Anthony: "I'm sitting in jail. There is nothing anybody can do now."

Kristina: "I'm just trying to be a…"

Casey Anthony: "I know you are, honey. I absolutely know you are and I appreciate it and everything you are trying to do but I'd like to call Tony. He's not at my house is he?

Kristina: "No. It's just me and your parents and Lee."

Casey Anthony: "Well, can you do me a favor and get my brother back so I can get the number from him please?"

Kristina: "Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee?"

Casey Anthony: "No. Nothing."

Kristina: "OK, so why do you want to talk with Tony? You probably don't want to tell me, do you?"

Casey Anthony: "Tony had nothing to do with Caylee.

Kristina: "Oh, then why do you want to talk with him?"

Casey Anthony: "Because he is my boyfriend and I want to actually try and sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier. Because I got arrested on a (expletive) whim today and because they are blaming me for stuff that I would never do. That I didn't do."

Kristina: "Well, I'm on your side, you know that?"

Casey Anthony: "I know that, I just want to talk with Tony and get a little bit of…"

Kristina: "Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee. If anything happened to Caylee, I'll die -- you understand, I'll die."

Casey Anthony: "Oh my God. Calling you guys (was) a waste -- a huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I'd never let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

Kristina: "Then how come everyone is saying that you are lying?"

Casey Anthony: "Because nobody is (expletive) listening to anything that I'm saying. The media misconstrued everything that I said. The (expletive) detectives pulled (expletive) (expletive). They got all of their information from me but at the same time they are twisting stuff. They already said they are going to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that. They arrested me because they said."

Kristina: "They said that the person you left Caylee with doesn't exist.

Casey Anthony: "Because, Oh look, they can't find her in the Florida database. She is not just from Florida. If they would actually listen to anything that I would have said to them, they would have had their leads. They maybe could have tracked her down. They have not listened to a (expletive) thing that I've said."

Kristina: "You know that whoever has Caylee, nobody is going to get away with it..

Casey Anthony: "I know, nobody is going to get away with it but at the same time, the only way they are going to find Caylee is if they actually listen to what I'm saying and I'm trying to help them and they are not letting me help them."

Kristina: "So, how can I help them find her? The best thing you can do baby is to listen to me."

Casey Anthony: "They need to look up her information in the New York database and a North Carolina database. And other places that she's lived outside of Florida. That is what I told them, even again today. I told them that four times today. I sat up at the police station. The county police station…"

Kristina: "Does she have Caylee or did she transfer Caylee to someone else?"

Casey Anthony: "Honey, I have not talked with her. I don't know. I have not talked to her."

Kristina: "How come everyone is saying that you are not upset and that you are not crying and you show no carrying of where Caylee is at all.

Casey Anthony: "Because I'm not sitting here (expletive) crying every two seconds because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls and do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to -- I can't."

Kristina: "OK, Casey, don't yell at me, I'm on your side..

Casey Anthony: "I know you are on my side.. I'm not trying to."

Kristina: "Nobody is saying anything bad about you. Your family is with you 100 percent."

Casey Anthony: "No they're not. That is (expletive) because I just watched the (expletive) news and heard everything that my mom said. Nobody in my own family is on my side."

Kristina: "Yes they are.

Casey Anthony: "They just want Caylee back. That is all they are worried about right now is getting Caylee back. And you know what, that is all I care about right now."

Kristina: "Casey, your daughter, your flesh and blood and baby girl..

Casey Anthony: "Kristina, please. Put my brother back on the phone, I don't want to get into this with you right now. I love you honey and I'm glad that you are there. Thank you for your help. I will let you know if there is anything that you can do."

Kristina: "You can't tell me anybody who can find Caylee?"

Casey Anthony: "No. No because everyone number that I've tried and every number that I've called is disconnected --nothing. I can't get a hold of anybody."

Kristina: "But that girl was the last person to have her?"

Casey Anthony: "She was the last person to have her. That was the last time I saw Caylee."

Kristina: "Lee said he doesn't have Tony's phone number.

Casey Anthony: "Yes, he does. He has Tony's number in his phone. He needs to stop (expletive) lying. He just told me a second ago that he'd give me the number."

Kristina: "So, if I go and get you Tony's number, are you going to finish talking to me?"

Casey Anthony: "I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.

Kristina: "Listen, if you are going to talk to anybody, you can talk to me.

Casey Anthony: "I know I can talk to you but at the same time, I know that I can talk to Tony and that is who I want to talk to now. I have not gotten the chance to talk to him since this morning. Since all of this stuff happened with trying to set up the MySpace and I made the MySpace."

Kristina: "Do you know the password?

Casey Anthony: "I made all of it.

Kristina: "What's the password to MySpace so we can see if anybody has written any leads of where Caylee might be.

Casey Anthony: "You can go online and see it. As far as messages, I don't know if anybody is going to be messaging."

Casey Anthony exchanges log-in information with Kristina.

Kristina then gave Casey Anthony Tony's phone number.

Kristina: "Can Tony tell me anything?"

Casey Anthony: "Baby, Tony doesn't know anything. And, I have not even talked with him since this morning."

Kristina: "Has Tony seen Caylee?"

Casey Anthony: "Tony has not seen Caylee since the beginning of June. What's Tony's number again?"

Kristina gives number again.

Casey Anthony: "Thank you. I will find a way to call you later. Leave your number at my house with my mother and I can get it either later tonight."

Kristina: "How can I get a hold of you?"

"I'm at the jail, you can't," Casey Anthony said.

Kristina: "You don't have a way to write my phone number down?".

Casey Anthony: "No, I have no way of writing it down. I have to remember Tony's number. I have to try to memorize his number right now. Just leave your number with my mom and I will try to call you in the morning if I don't get a chance to call you tonight."

Kristina: "So, how can I find information about that girl?".

Casey Anthony: "Have them look up a New York license for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. They've just been looking up the last night Gonzalez or the last name Fernandez. If they look up her entire name, they might actually find her. They have not done that. They haven't listened to anything that I've said."

Kristina: "How do you spell Zenaida?

Casey Anthony: "Z-e-n-a-i-d-a..

Kristina: "Where does she live? Because they went and looked at her place and…"

Casey Anthony: "Baby, you are not telling me anything that I don't already know. Again, I've only been in jail since about 8:30 tonight. I was with them all day. I know that. I was with officers pretty much since 9 p.m. last night up until this evening when I came up here."

Kristina: "But you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"

Casey Anthony: "That I have no clue where my daughter is? Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

Kristina: "They'll find out and whoever…"

Casey Anthony: "OK, Kristina, I'm hanging up, I've need to make this other call before I forget the number. So, I'll call you later."

Kristina: "OK Bye."

unravel
07-28-2008, 12:00 PM
There's one glaring inaccuracy in the last transcript (phonecall home from jail). Casey Anthony: "I will call you tomorrow. I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days."

There's NO mention a Mike. Casey says "I want to talk to him really quick now, and I want to actually try to close my eyes."

MistyGirl
07-28-2008, 12:23 PM
There's one glaring inaccuracy in the last transcript (phonecall home from jail).

There's NO mention a Mike. Casey says "I want to talk to him really quick now, and I want to actually try to close my eyes."

I was debating, when I listen to it Ithought she said Mike too, but maybe not......I did not type the transcipts that was how I found them online and didn't think I should alter them.....but you could be correct that there was no refrenece to "Mike".

Thanks!

unravel
07-28-2008, 03:47 PM
Yeah, I wasn't expecting you to alter it. I just wanted to point it out so people would see it. I've seen people get hung up on the Mike thing over the last couple of days, but I know that it's completely false and want to stop more people from reading into something that's not there. I transcribed the call when I couldn't find a copy and that was a portion that I kept repeating. Initially, I couldn't figure out what the heck she said.

I've extracted that fews seconds of the call, and slowed Casey's speech by 20% as she says those words. It's definitely "try to close my eyes" but the she's quickened her speech, and the words are strung together.

If you want to hear the slowed version, http://rapidshare.de/files/40104636/casey-close-my-eyes.wav.html
[click on the button that says 'free', then type in whatever validation code they give]. If that's not slow enough, I can draw it out more.

Hailiejade77
07-28-2008, 11:11 PM
I am adding the first phone call from Casey to Lee on Sat July 26, 2008 Transcripts:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7082866&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

NOTE: There was a phone call prior to this; however Lee was unable to get reception on his cell phone so Casey called the house phone.




LEE: Hey Casey are you there

Hey. Yeah I’m here

LEE: Sorry my cell phone reception is terrible

CASEY: It sucks at the house I know

LEE: I still want you to know that you can call me and I’ll try you know get as much out there as I can before anything, what ever dies. I know it s not a good situation , you know what can we do. You know

CASEY: Yeah absolutely

LEE: Um, so do you understand what I was trying to say for that, that you know, you can reach out to them and they, I know that you said that when we did visitation and I want you to know that you don’t have to necessarily have to put everything through your attorney if you feel like you wanted to speak to them about anything at all, you can still request that he be there, but he doesn’t have to and you don’t have to do that through him

CASEY: Oh I know. But that’s something we had talked about yesterday actually

LEE: Ok good. Do you plan on speaking with any of those guys at all?

CASEY: We’re going to set up a meeting for Monday, Jose was going to think about stuff, how we were going to set things up over the weekend. He was going to be here with me when we bring then in, um, you know and as far as what I answer, how I answer, you know how all that goes down he was going to figure that out this weekend. He was actually going to come up either today or tomorrow and bring a couple of the videos I guess for me to watch from some of the news stuff that’s been going on, I guess some of the talk shows. Just to try to update me on some of the stuff. Plus he wanted me wanted me to get a good laugh.

LEE: Well here’s the thing, don’t put too much stock in and faith into anything that the media is putting out there because you’ve got to understand they get the information they speculate on information and then, you know, you put something out there so they can fill their clips.

CASEY: Oh I know. I actually caught a little bit of it. I mean I only got to see maybe an eighth of the TV, but I can see the pictures and stuff that were coming up last night. I just caught a little bit of that, between the 10 and 11 o’clock news.


LEE: Here’s an FYI for you, so you can conduct yourself accordingly. Everything is public record, including this phone call, including, um the visitation videos, all that stuff is going to end up being released at some point.

CASEY: Oh I know,

LEE: I had no knowledge of that what so ever

They told me that yesterday

LEE: They told me that after we did that, so. Um so there’s obviously some things that I would have asked in a different way.

CASEY: Yeah, absolutely

LEE: And I don’t want you to you know feel for any reason that we’re not on your side about anything, cause we are, about everything. We’re completely behind you. And being completely behind you our entire focus, all our days, every second of every day is consumed with ‘What can we do to find Caylee’.

CASEY: Yes absolutely

LEE: So, is there anything? I know we had spoken before and you understand how all this works, now. but do you have anything that you can, you know, tell me, that would help?

CASEY: There’s nothing I can think of at the moment. I’m actually going to try and get something together, you know today so I can write a couple letters to the family. I’m even going to get with (intelligible) and stuff to see if he does get that directly. But still put out my own specific so if anything happens, if there’s any lapse you still will get what I’m trying to put across too.

LEE: And just remember that if you give it to the attorney….

CASEY: They can read it and choose whether or not to even fix it which is why I’ll do a secondary letter to make sure it’s direct

LEE: Perfect I would encourage that 110 percent. So is there anything specifically, I know you’re going to meet with, you know the investigators and everything, you know. Is there anything specifically the details that you want to clarify to me now so that I’m following up on my own leads and my own information, putting the stuff together, you know then I can start working on it now?

CASEY: Um, at the moment there’s nothing specific or nothing that you know should probably be said here. Um, again I’ll put something together before I see Jose or when I see Jose and you know make sure that I have something also to put out.

LEE: Right.

CASEY: So that way you can get whatever you like

LEE: Ok. And just so remember when you get to talk to those guys um, you know, you mentioned that you’re going to have your prep and everything with Jose. But remember truth don’t hurt.

CASEY: I know but there are some things that I have told them that were misconstrued and not used to their benefit. I gave them the same resources that I gave you and you found out a hundred more things then they did. And they were given the same information. So it’s just about the approach I guess and using the resources to their full extent. Again I’m everybody’s biggest resource; you have said that, Jose has said that, mom and dad have said that.


LEE: Right but at the same time we still we just need to figure out how we can be clear on what ever we’re giving to them, so even if we have to you know speak very direct or we can’t really speak in generalities with them, with anybody is what I’m finding out . Or if we tell them I’m not completely sure on the spelling or I’m not completely sure on this or that. They take everything exactly up front to the ‘T’. Exactly how you provide it. So if it’s off at all they don’t even think to look in any other areas….

CASEY: That’s why I gave them things multiple times. Each officer I gave the same information at least two or three times, I’ve done the same thing with you, the same thing with mom, the same thing with Jose. Everyone has the same information, same spelling, same names. None of that has altered because that’s it

LEE: What do you think, where do you think. You think Caylee’s ok right now?

My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I got through the court, um in my gut she’s still ok. And it still feels like she’s close to home.

LEE: Ok

CASEY: So that’s still my best feeling at the moment, again if that changes, obviously I’m going to reach out and say something immediately. But I know mom will understand this better then anyone that’s there’s that type of bond that you have with your kid and it’s you know unexplainable, absolutely.

LEE: Did you speak with Caylee over the phone at any time?

CASEY: I did one time, yes, and that was actually the day that mom called the police.

LEE: Do you remember what time you spoke to her?

CASEY: Around noon, it was through a private call.

LEE: Um they will beep this out so don’t worry about it, can you give me your log in and password for you AT&T account online so I can pull the remainder of your phone records.

(She relays the information.)

LEE: I have your phone records to a certain extent, but I don’t have through the 15th and 16th so.

CASEY: You don’t have the most current ones


LEE: So that will help me extremely, um, did you ever have, or did you ever call the baby sitter on your cell phone or ever receive a call from the baby sitter on your cell phone number?

CASEY: I most definitely did.

LEE: Can you give me any day or anything whenever you think may have received that?

CASEY: A specific day, um, god a lot of the times it was through text messages so the number would show up even on that, um I can’t think of any specifics. My days are all thrown together at least I know what the day is today, but as far as stuff from the last couple of months I have no exact time or date. If I can think of something.

LEE: Do you remember an area code?

CASEY: Um, the last number she called me from was a 954 number, which is a Fort Lauderdale number? I know because (NAME) number is also a similar area code. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number, there’s been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days; but it just depended on the number that she had at the time.

LEE: Ok. Most recently can you remember the number that….

CASEY: The last number that she had called me from wasn’t has a private listing, or that didn’t show up private cell or private call was 954.

LEE: Ok. Um but even like a private cell of a private number from the most recent one that you can remember, can you remember like what month or anything like that that they were in?

CASEY: Um, the last private call that I received was on the 15th, I believe? That was the day that mom made that call. And I think that was the last one that I had gotten. I mean as far as my knowing someone on the phone when I last had it.

LEE: And do you remember what area code, or any part of that?

CASEY: That was the number that came up. It just said ‘private cell’ or ‘private call’ I can’t remember which one.

LEE: Ok. But whenever you did get to see a number, you said it would either be a 954, or a 407 or 321.

CASEY: Yeah those are the three area codes that I can think of offhand.

LEE: Do you remember any part of any of those numbers that will help me? Any combination of numbers that will help me?

CASEY: Not at the moment. I’ve been trying to piece together numbers, but the numbers that are coming to mind are numbers from other people that I’ve called frequently and I don’t want to give you someone else’s number on accident.

LEE: Nope, that’s fine I completely understand, I understand that in today’s day and age you don’t really memorize cell phones since you have it programmed in. Numbers that you program in yourself.

CASEY: Very much so.

LEE: Would she have been programmed in your cell phone?

CASEY: She was, programmed into that other phone that we need to find a way to recover. I mean I don’t know…

LEE: Help me with that actually. You said that you referred to it as you ‘black jack’?

CASEY: Yeah, it was a Black Jack. I’d only had it for probably a week, a week and half. It didn’t keep its charge so that’s why I started using that other phone.

LEE: So on the Black Jack, do you remember the phone number that the Black Jack was associated with?

CASEY: It was my same number; I just swapped the SIM card back and forth.

LEE: Ok, um…Here’s how these things work Casey, the contact information, the contact stuff is on your SIM card, so if you switched it back and forth.

CASEY: It doesn’t always save to the SIM card. You can sometimes save things to the SIM card or save it specifically to the phone, it just depends on the way the phone’s set up I thought about that too. The phone that I was currently using, the one I guess that the police still have, or you guys have it, I had set it up after the fact to just save things to my SIM card but you can also save it to just the phone or to the SIM card and the phone so there’s copy’s on both

LEE: So this Black Jack where did you, you said that you reported it missing, give me the information so I can find this phone.

CASEY: I had it (TALKING TO SOMEONE OFF THE PHONE : yes sir, is he ok. Can you ask him to stay there couple of minutes, because we only have…ok thank you). Um Jose’s actually here. Um. (Expletive), ok the last time I know I had it for certain I was up at Universal.

LEE: For work, or for otherwise?

I was in through the park talking to just a couple of mutual friends of….

LEE: So you were up there for fun or whatever?

CASEY: It wasn’t necessarily fun, but yes not through work at that moment…

LEE: I’ve got you, ok, I understand.

CASEY: I know I had it at Jay Blanchard Park, I don’t remember where the very last place is I had it.

LEE: Where did you get this phone from? Like how was it provided to you?

CASEY: Through the AT&T Store, god, what road? It’s the bottom left side of town kind of near where the mall and stuff is.

LEE: Was this a phone, is this another personal cell phone of yours?


CASEY: Yes.

LEE: Ok, so tell me. So if you lost the physical phone itself, aside from searching for it, how would you go about finding this? How should I go about finding your phone?


CASEY: I don’t know. That’s the thing. I mean. I knew specifically where it was, I mean my last recollection of me having it was at Universal, but I knew that I had also been at Jay Blanchard Park and I could have potentially had it there with me too. I don’t know if you guys have checked through like some of the bags and stuff that I have at the house with me, if it was in one of those purses but I know I kept everything that I had kind of centralized at Tony’s.


LEE: Case, if you had your Black Jack with you and you lost your Black Jack, but you still have your SIM card in your other phone, I’m trying just to figure out why, you wouldn’t lose both, you know what I mean?

CASEY: Well that’s the thing, if it fell out of my bag, if it fell out of my pocket. It’s a decent size phone, almost the size of the phone that you have now. It could have easily fallen out of my purse.

LEE: Would you have had her, or anybody’s information, even Jeff that’s introduced you or Juliet that also or correct me is there anybody else that knew that you were searching for Caylee?

CASEY: Outside of them, no.


LEE: Ok, outside Zani, Jeff, and Juliet, nobody else knew correct?

CASEY: I hadn’t talked to anyone else about it, no

LEE: Ok, where did you meet Jeff and Juliet from again?

CASEY: Universal.

LEE: When you were working for…

CASEY: Jester Kodak. I could have met Juliet when I was working through Kodak I don’t remember if that’s where we first met I’ve known her also for about two and half, three years.

LEE: How could we verify her? And get in contact with her? Like where does she, Where does she work and all that stuff? By the way we’ve got about a minute left.

CASEY: Ok. She just moved within the last couple of months, I’m trying to figure out where else I can get contact information for her. I know I had her number written down at the house somewhere, where exactly I’m not sure.

LEE: Ok. Did she ever work with you at Kodak or Color Vision?

CASEY: She worked at Universal, yeah.

(Tone: You have one minute left)

LEE: Casey, you got to answer my questions specifically. Did she work with you at Kodak or Color Vision or was she an actual employee of the park?

CASEY: She was an actual employee of the park.

LEE: Ok. And she is Juliette *****. J-U-L-I-E-T-T-E ******. Correct ?

CASEY: JULIET ****.

LEE: Got it. Ok.

LEE: I think we are getting close Case, is there anything?

Um, offhand no. I’m going to go talk to Jose now, If I can think of anything while I’m with him I’ll write down anything and do whatever I can.

LEE: Ok, you know you can call me or the house. We love you

CASEY: Alright

LEE: And please think of anything that can help find Caylee, because as soon as we can help find her, it’s going to be open and shut to get you out of there, ok darling?

CASEY: Absolutely, I know….

Tone, recording, call ends.

Sweetyhide
07-29-2008, 10:26 AM
I know this is sort of worthless in some ways because Casey has been caught in so many lies but I was reviewing the phone conversation with her and Lee and she said the phone call she had with Caylee the day Cindy called police was from a private number.

*paste*
LEE: Did you speak with Caylee over the phone at any time?
CASEY: I did one time, yes, and that was actually the day that mom called the police.
LEE: Do you remember what time you spoke to her?
CASEY: Around noon, it was through a private call.
*end paste*

On the transcript (3rd 911 call) she says:

*paste*
Casey: I know who has her. I’ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.
*end paste*

So which was it (if at all)? My experience is a private number says either UNAVAILABLE or PRIVATE. So she can't get the number to call back. And if I am not mistaken you can't redial the last number called if its private.
Right?
These are two very different things: Private number - Number no longer in service.

bertajo
07-30-2008, 09:49 AM
I held off on listening to the phone calls because I didn’t want to make character assumptions based on my impression of her sure-to-be nasty voice. I finally caved today, and I am loving the Casey-Lee conversation released on 7/28. Here’s my summary!

Her brother Lee asks if Casey is going to meet with police, here’s she goes…
Casey: “Um, Jose [Baez, Casey's lawyer] was going to, you know, think about stuff, how we were going to set things up over the weekend. He was going to be here with me when we bring them in -- um, you know, and as far as what I answer, how I answer, you know, how all of that goes down, he was going to figure that out this weekend. He was actually going to come up either today or tomorrow, and bring, like, a couple of the videos, I guess, for me to watch from some of the news stuff that's been going on, I guess some of the talk shows.”

Translation: A boy is coming soon. And, we’re setting up a meeting for Monday with more boys, and he’s going do the work, and we’re watching videos! I’m the 10 and 11 o’clock news! Love me daddy!

My commentary: She’s asked about meeting with police, and she’s talking about meeting with her attorney. And videos. And talk shows. She sucks as a human being.

After addressing the legal parameters of her case, brother Lee asks if there is anything at all that she can offer to help. Here’s more good Casey stuff…

Casey: “There's nothing I can think of at the moment. Um, I'm going to actually try to get something together, you know, today, so I can write a couple letters, um –“

Translation: At the moment, I am thinking about going to get something together, so keep guessing! I like attention. Ask me more questions, big brother! Everyone loves me.

My commentary: Could she be more unhelpful? She’s super useless, and she sucks as a human being. If your daughter was missing, would you be writing letters?

After commenting on the police department’s inept ways of allocating resources, she says…

Casey: “I'm, again, everybody's biggest resource. You've said that. Jose has said that. Mom and Dad have said that.”

Translation: Me! Me! Me! If I keep you guessing, I won’t feel bad, and I can’t be punished. I’m still a good person because I am a resource.

My comments: She still sucks. You’ve said it. I said it. Mom and dad said that.

Let’s talk phones. Lee asks if she remembers an area code for her babysitter, a woman she claims to know for 2-3 years.

Casey: “Um, the last number that she called me from was a 954 number, which I believe is a Fort Lauderdale number. I know because Amy's is also the similar area code. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number -- there's been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days, but it just depended on the number that she had at the time.”

Translation: My nanny is such a bad a**, she’s got lots a digits. She’s here. She’s there. She’s a professional nanny, but she’s everywhere just depending on the number and the location and the time. Different days. Different numbers. My nanny rocks!

My comments: She’s clearly stupid. She sucks, and she’s stupid.

Finally, when asked if Caylee is okay right now, she responds…

Casey: “My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.”

Translation: I am getting so much attention. Mom is talking to me. Jose is talking to me. I got a cool psychologist along with the nanny, and they all talk with me. I’m important! Let’s keep guessing!

My comments: Again, with the list of people. Her responses are so odd to me. If I thought someone with several area codes kidnapped my child, I wouldn’t ever say that my child is okay and close to home. She doesn’t say that she believes her child is alive or dead. She doesn’t express any thoughts about her level of care. Is she safe? Is she eating? Is she sleeping? If I thought someone kidnapped my child, I would worry about porn rings and pedophiles. All parents of kidnapped kids consider all the possible options every minute of the day. Casey rarely makes any sense, and her answers frequently don’t fit the questions.

BTW, Caylee’s name was ONLY mentioned three times in the phone call – by Lee. Casey never once said her name.

santos1014
07-30-2008, 06:21 PM
If I am reading all these posts correctly, and I like to think I am...it appears that Cindy was calling the police initially to have Casey arrested for stealing a car. Then over the course of the other calls, Casey suddenly remembers to say that Caylee is missing and then Cindy tells LE that story.

Looks like Casey knew she was in deep trouble and used Caylee as her ace in the hole. The whole.."oh your granddaughter has been kidnapped, so you might not want to be pressing charges against me right now..." anything to get herself out of trouble.

????? This whole case just reeks of Melinda Duckett..all her lies and stories running round and round......and we still don't know where Trenton is.

Hailiejade77
07-31-2008, 08:02 AM
Audio: http://www.local6.com/download/2008/0731/17043945.mp3

Transcript: http://www.local6.com/news/17045183/detail.html

A call lasting more than three minutes was made from Casey Anthony to her brother Lee Wednesday.

"How is everything going?" Casey Anthony said to begin the call.


"It's going OK," Lee Anthony said. "How's everything going with you?"

"Good," Casey Anthony said. "Just took a shower and I figured I'd call and check in, say hi, since I got a chance to see mom and dad this morning."

"OK," Lee Anthony said.

Lee then tried to get information from his sister.

"I know there's some, you know, some people that referred to in the past, and you know, I'm just curious if, um, you know, anything has changed as far as who I can trust and all those type of things," Lee Anthony said.

"I mean as far as I'm concerned, nothing's really changed on that level," Casey Anthony said. "So, if anything does, I'll obviously let you know."

The call was dropped during the conversation.

But before it was dropped, Lee Anthony had one final thought.

"If there's ever anything particularly that I should look into or attempt to follow up on…"

"Yeah, I'll definitely let you know if things come up," Casey Anthony said. "If anything does (come up) at all."

Hailiejade77
07-31-2008, 07:51 PM
Casey calling Lee July 31

Audio : http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0731/17054524.mp3

Transcript: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7108467&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Transcript of phone call from Casey Anthony to Lee Anthony on 073108 (2:36)


Lee: Hello?

Casey: Hey

Lee: Hey

Casey: How are you?

Lee: Im ok, how are you?

Casey: Im doing alright. I just tried to call the house a couple of times but um, the line was busy the first time and the other two times it just rang and then I got the voicemail so I mean I initially thought someone was home but mom probably doesnt pick up the phone without knowing the numbers.

Lee: To my knowledge they werent home at all today

Casey: Oh ok. Alright, hows everything going? I know we got cut off yesterday. I didnt get a chance to call you back.

Lee: Thats ok, everythings fine, just trying to (Unintelligible)talk with you know as many people as possible right now.
AUDIO: --Casey Anthony calls her brother Lee from jail, Thursday July 31, 2008
Casey: Yeah

Lee: So, you know. How is the, that letter coming?

Casey: Um, well when I get a chance actually to write a little bit more, I should be able to do that within the next little bit, since I have some I guess, quote rec time.

Lee: (Unintelligible)

Casey: Huh?

Casey: Lee?

Groan of frustration from Casey.

Call ends

Texana
07-31-2008, 08:40 PM
Bertajo, I loved your side comments about Casey.

Good translation for what Casey says and what Casey means. And as you noted, what Casey doesn't talk about--Caylee.

ThoughtFox
08-01-2008, 04:20 AM
Wow - I'm just now reading these transcripts. Just, wow. My hair is standing on end from reading some of that. How cold and selfish can someone be?

It makes me wonder just how many years this crap has been going on with Casey and her family. I've actually known a few people in my life who treated their families like dirt while they acted like royalty, so it's easy to see where this behavior comes from - she was raised as a total brat who was never held responsible for anything.

It makes me sad for that little girl because how confusing her world must have been with such a selfish liar for a mother. :( How could someone like Casey possibly be a caregiver? Geez.

FIND'HER
12-31-2008, 08:13 AM
This is a Clip From CA Phone Call to 911 dispatch. The 3rd Time Around.
Wonder what went on for 2 hours in the A's house until the 3rd call was made from the 2nd call (They were waiting on the cops from the 2nd call until the 3rd call was placed again about a missing child).


Cindy: I called them two hours ago and they haven't gotten here. Casey finally admitted that (Zenaida) took her a month ago and has been trying to find her.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_3rd_911Call071508.htm

Pedrosmom
12-31-2008, 08:55 AM
Let's see,

Cindy cleans out the car, does a couple loads of laundry, throws some stuff out, LA has a pow wow with KC in the bedroom about the "real truth" and advises LA to go to AL's apt and gather/destroy/crash everything. They had two hours to go on defense mode when they realized that LE was actually coming this time.

PaddieAB
12-31-2008, 09:16 AM
Listening to the audio of the three 911 calls, and how the tone of CAs voice changes from calm and professional to sheer panic and desperation because the police still haven’t arrived is utterly heartbreaking to me.

During the previous call, Casey asked for “just one more day” to find Caylee and that tells me CA must have been out of her mind with fear that would happen before the police arrive. IMO if/when the case goes to trial these 911 calls are going to weigh heavily on the minds of the jurors.

While short blurbs of the 3rd call have been heavily tossed around by the media, it’s like watching 10 minutes of a movie......

Chat Noir
12-31-2008, 09:26 AM
Perhaps she did tell LA to do things (for their safety) because there was someone out to get her and maybe he did things like erasing her computer, etc because he believed her and thought he needed to to protect the family - not ever believing that KC was behind all of this? It might have never occurred to him that she was the culprit and he thought if he got rid of things it was to get the "bad guys" off their tails.

MADJGNLAW
12-31-2008, 09:38 AM
The calls are all disturbing to me. Maybe Lee was dragged into this, but he was at the home alone when her arrived around 8PM and called Cindy and she stated that Casey and Her were 30 seconds from the house. Now, I would like to know what time did they leave Tony L's house? Where were Cindy and Casey at 8PM? Also, if you notice in the first call made Cindy states that Casey stole her car on June 30th...

Was that not the day it was impounded from Amscott to the town yard?

# Cindy: For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone they said they would patch me through the Orlando, umm, Sheriff's Department have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no ones open. They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them.

# Dispatch: So she stole your vehicle?

# Cindy: Yes.

# Dispatch: When did she do that?

# Cindy: Umm on the 30th. I just got it back from the impound. I'd like to speak to an officer. Can you have someone come out to my house?

What time was Casey picked up from Tony's?
What time was the first call made to 911? Second? Third?

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 09:51 AM
911 Calls

This information was listed on a helpfindthemissing.org web site. They are listed as follows:

Call #1 7/15/2008 8:08pm
Call #2 7/15/2008 8:44pm
Call #3 7/15/2008 9:41pm

SeriouslySearching
12-31-2008, 09:58 AM
That is a lot of time to come up with what they thought was a "good" cover story and start hiding/covering up evidence.

In light of LE's two recent SWs...I guess the evidence wasn't hidden all that well.

Cindy said, "There is NO evidence." and again...it still is ringing in my ears.

I still maintain that reporting Caylee missing was an "afterthought" on Cindy's part knowing after the first calls that LE would figure out quickly there was a child missing when they arrived on the other calls.

justanordnryday
12-31-2008, 09:59 AM
The calls are all disturbing to me. Maybe Lee was dragged into this, but he was at the home alone when her arrived around 8PM and called Cindy and she stated that Casey and Her were 30 seconds from the house. Now, I would like to know what time did they leave Tony L's house? Where were Cindy and Casey at 8PM? Also, if you notice in the first call made Cindy states that Casey stole her car on June 30th...

Was that not the day it was impounded from Amscott to the town yard?

# Cindy: For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone they said they would patch me through the Orlando, umm, Sheriff's Department have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no ones open. They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them.

# Dispatch: So she stole your vehicle?

# Cindy: Yes.

# Dispatch: When did she do that?

# Cindy: Umm on the 30th. I just got it back from the impound. I'd like to speak to an officer. Can you have someone come out to my house?

What time was Casey picked up from Tony's?
What time was the first call made to 911? Second? Third?

It never made sense to me why she would say KC stole her car. It's pretty obvious the car may be in Cindy's name, but it was for KC's use.

SeriouslySearching
12-31-2008, 10:02 AM
It never made sense to me why she would say KC stole her car. It's pretty obvious the car may be in Cindy's name, but it was for KC's use.Cindy was being petty about the car, but it was really all about the $$$$$. More specifically, Cindy got chewed out from her mom for Casey stealing that money and she was coming down on Casey for it.

They could not have charged Casey with stealing that car.

Tuba
12-31-2008, 10:10 AM
Permission didn't extend to abandonment. She may have wanted to make clear that the car registered to her was in a condition that was not her responsibility, criminally,
as well.

yolorado
12-31-2008, 10:13 AM
It never made sense to me why she would say KC stole her car. It's pretty obvious the car may be in Cindy's name, but it was for KC's use.

Cindy was trying to impress upon KC that she would do whatever it took to get her to take her to Caylee. At that point, she realized KC had been lying to her, wasn't where she'd said she was, so Cindy had decided that she was through playing hide the baby. She probably thought KC would cave if she took her to the police station and produce Caylee. I really believe she didn't know that it was too late and KC couldn't produce Caylee, at least not in a form that would make Cindy happy. The police station was closed so Cindy went home, no doubt threatening to call the police again all the way if KC didn't take her to Caylee. Wonder what KC was thinking when they drove close to where she'd dumped the body. She was probably hoping that Cindy would give her another chance, another day, so that she could take off, some how, some way. This one's not much of a planner. Trapped in the house with Cindy, with the police definitely on the table, talking to Lee, she knew she had to come up with something else because her 'one more day' was probably not going to happen. Did she tell Lee? God, I hope not. I hope families don't really protect the murderers of little children. Did Cindy know? I don't think so. KC had probably been toying with a kidnapping story over at Tony's, knowing someday she'd have to explain something to someone, but she's completely disorganized and not the most complete sandwich in the basket, and she didn't have a really good story put together yet, even after she'd known for a month she might need one. She went with it anyway. What else could she do? If Mommy found out what really happend, she'd lose Mommy forever. She hated Mommy, and in a way what happened will make Mommy pay, and Mommy deserves that. What happened was really Mommy's fault any way, so it's kind of 'justice' for Mommy, but it would be the worst thing in the world to lose Mommy, so can Mommy can NEVER know. Just talk, talk and look good, sound confident. The cops are guys, right? Might work. Always did before.

weasel
12-31-2008, 10:21 AM
<<This information was listed on a helpfindthemissing.org web site. They are listed as follows:

Call #1 7/15/2008 8:08pm
Call #2 7/15/2008 8:44pm
Call #3 7/15/2008 9:41pm

Not trashing LE or anything, but geez .... why didn't someone come out the first time she called? And now the meter reader thing with the 3 or 4 different calls. What's up with all that? I understand they're busy and all, but it just seems kind of like pulling teeth to get some attention from them.

weasel
12-31-2008, 10:28 AM
<<She probably thought KC would cave if she took her to the police station and produce Caylee>>

I remember seeing CA on a talk show (can't remember which) talking about this very thing. She said she just knew something was really wrong when Casey said "go ahead and take me to the police station". She knew then that Casey was "protecting" them if Casey would rather go to jail than to tell what happened. What a crock.

Wise Old Owl
12-31-2008, 10:30 AM
I always thought the first call was around 5:00 - 5:30 or so. The first call CA made she was IN the parking lot of a LE sub station - that was when she found out they were closed. Now if the first call was made at 8 - well then duh - of course they were closed. I haven't gone back to look at everything - but I could swear CA made the first call closer to 5 or 6 not 8.

weasel
12-31-2008, 10:30 AM
<<What happened was really Mommy's fault>>

You're right about that. Remember the jail conversation where Casey actually has the nerve to say it's "not her fault" she's sitting in jail. I think she blames CA for calling the police in the first place.

diablo
12-31-2008, 10:42 AM
The calls were a glimpse into "their" world. The Mother-daughter dynamic, where their animosity to each other resulted in Caylee becoming a pawn.

At the time of the 1st call, CA simply thinks KC is being a "spiteful *****" and not letting GMA see her beloved Caylee, so she calls the cops to up the ante.

The same is true for the 2nd call, as CA realizes that KC will not let GMA see Caylee until "tomorrow" so again CA raises the pot.

By the 3rd call, CA knows Caylee is unaccounted for & in a slip of the tongue let's the world know about the smell of death in the car.

Pollywog
12-31-2008, 10:42 AM
I really think CA thought she could scare or bluff KC into telling her where Caylee was. Also, I think KC thought her mom really would not actually take her to jail, another bluff. I think these two played cat and mouse with each other so much and neither one ever followed through with anything.

heartfortruth
12-31-2008, 10:45 AM
Respectfully......do you think maybe that this view of things might be somewhat colored by this ongoing and growing monster of a story which started with a "routine" , rather insignificant sounding 911 call (the first one)?
....would wager that the dispatcher had heard a lot more serious stuff that day....and LE , also...none of them are "clairvoyant", that I know of..........
just askin'...........

(this is in response to Weasel...don't know why the post did not show)

debs
12-31-2008, 10:49 AM
<<This information was listed on a helpfindthemissing.org web site. They are listed as follows:

Call #1 7/15/2008 8:08pm
Call #2 7/15/2008 8:44pm
Call #3 7/15/2008 9:41pm

Not trashing LE or anything, but geez .... why didn't someone come out the first time she called? And now the meter reader thing with the 3 or 4 different calls. What's up with all that? I understand they're busy and all, but it just seems kind of like pulling teeth to get some attention from them.

They were non-emergency calls. Would you rather they stopped patrolling Orlando, a huge city, to take a statement about a mother with a recalcitrant child who may have stolen a car that is now back in the possession of its owner or take care of more urgent business that might be going on? They were not calls needing immediate attention. The third call makes a statement about a missing child and kidnapping. Seems to have amped up the attention and the police arrived promptly. We have to resist looking at this through 20/20 hindsight. A missing car that is in the garage isn't urgent. A missing child and the smell of a dead body in the damn car, is.

yolorado
12-31-2008, 10:51 AM
<<What happened was really Mommy's fault>>

You're right about that. Remember the jail conversation where Casey actually has the nerve to say it's "not her fault" she's sitting in jail. I think she blames CA for calling the police in the first place.

Yep, and I think she blames Cindy for what happened to Caylee too- as in if Cindy hadn't treated KC the way she did, then what happened to Caylee wouldn't have. I think these two are meshed in very, very ugly and dangerous ways, and I think poor Caylee bore the brunt of their dysfunction.

MADJGNLAW
12-31-2008, 10:54 AM
I went back to look at the time line to see what time Amy was picked up from the Mall by Cindy and did not find that info. Here is where I am heading with this. What was done from the time Cindy sent George to work after the car was brought home and when she contacted Amy, until the police arrived?
Amy picked up the guys from the airport around 4:30pm on July 15..By that time she had already taken Casey back to Tony L's house per her statement to LE. But Ricardo M. Says: Casey came to the airport July 15 Casey came to the airport. [No time given]
Page 1305 Lines 6-7 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf

So, where and with who was Casey? What time did Cindy pick up Amy from the Mall?
What time did they get to Tony L's?
What time did they leave Tony's?
Lee stated he was at the home at 8PM July 15 nobody was home so he called Cindy and she told him that Casey and her were 30 seconds away.
The first call to 911 was at Call #1 7/15/2008 8:08pm
So confused.

Soulscape
12-31-2008, 10:57 AM
Cindy was trying to impress upon KC that she would do whatever it took to get her to take her to Caylee. At that point, she realized KC had been lying to her, wasn't where she'd said she was, so Cindy had decided that she was through playing hide the baby. She probably thought KC would cave if she took her to the police station and produce Caylee. I really believe she didn't know that it was too late and KC couldn't produce Caylee, at least not in a form that would make Cindy happy. The police station was closed so Cindy went home, no doubt threatening to call the police again all the way if KC didn't take her to Caylee. Wonder what KC was thinking when they drove close to where she'd dumped the body. She was probably hoping that Cindy would give her another chance, another day, so that she could take off, some how, some way. This one's not much of a planner. Trapped in the house with Cindy, with the police definitely on the table, talking to Lee, she knew she had to come up with something else because her 'one more day' was probably not going to happen. Did she tell Lee? God, I hope not. I hope families don't really protect the murderers of little children. Did Cindy know? I don't think so. KC had probably been toying with a kidnapping story over at Tony's, knowing someday she'd have to explain something to someone, but she's completely disorganized and not the most complete sandwich in the basket, and she didn't have a really good story put together yet, even after she'd known for a month she might need one. She went with it anyway. What else could she do? If Mommy found out what really happend, she'd lose Mommy forever. She hated Mommy, and in a way what happened will make Mommy pay, and Mommy deserves that. What happened was really Mommy's fault any way, so it's kind of 'justice' for Mommy, but it would be the worst thing in the world to lose Mommy, so can Mommy can NEVER know. Just talk, talk and look good, sound confident. The cops are guys, right? Might work. Always did before.

(Bolding mine)

Excellent synopsis, Yolorado. I totally agree.:clap::clap::clap:

Thanks,
Soulscape

yolorado
12-31-2008, 10:59 AM
I always thought the first call was around 5:00 - 5:30 or so. The first call CA made she was IN the parking lot of a LE sub station - that was when she found out they were closed. Now if the first call was made at 8 - well then duh - of course they were closed. I haven't gone back to look at everything - but I could swear CA made the first call closer to 5 or 6 not 8.

Now that you mention it, I recall CA SAYING on TV, I think, that she couldn't imagine the police station being closed when she went there at five, but maybe it was actually eight and she just said five. She's said several things things that turned out not quite to be on the money...like the last time she saw Caylee was on the 9th when it was really on the 15th or 16th; like LE didn't pick up the dead-body car for 2 days when it was less than 24 hours; and Caylee had almost certainly been spotted in NC, TX, Atlanta, Mexico, PR, Cali, NY, NJ, Younameit, when she'd actually been thrown away in the next swamp over.

weasel
12-31-2008, 11:01 AM
<<Would you rather they stopped patrolling Orlando, a huge city>>

I wouldn't "rather" they stop doing anything to answer a call. I was just commenting on how many calls she made before they arrived.

passionflower
12-31-2008, 11:02 AM
IMO, did CA cry wolf to LE to many times? Was LE used to coming to the house over nothing? How many times did CA call LE and cancel out during her fits??? Maybe LE thought CA and Kc having another stupid fight? Usually LE shows up immediately........don't understand.........LE friends of kc back then??? MOO

weasel
12-31-2008, 11:05 AM
<<Respectfully......do you think maybe that this view of things might be somewhat colored by this ongoing and growing monster of a story which started with a "routine">>

This makes sense. You're right about the dispatcher...I'm sure they had heard way more serious stuff that day. I wasn't trying to be snarky about LE.... it just struck me odd that it took that much time for a response even though I realize it wasn't an emergency at that point.

weasel
12-31-2008, 11:08 AM
<<IMO, did CA cry wolf to LE to many times? Was LE used to coming to the house over nothing?>>

This is a good question. Hummm ....

miimaa
12-31-2008, 11:08 AM
<<Would you rather they stopped patrolling Orlando, a huge city>>

I wouldn't "rather" they stop doing anything to answer a call. I was just commenting on how many calls she made before they arrived.

The first call was made in anger over the daughter taking car/money. I would not consider that an emergency 911 call. Normally I would think press charges at the police station on Monday. Nothing was mentioned about a missing child in the first call.

Marple
12-31-2008, 11:11 AM
They were non-emergency calls. Would you rather they stopped patrolling Orlando, a huge city, to take a statement about a mother with a recalcitrant child who may have stolen a car that is now back in the possession of its owner or take care of more urgent business that might be going on? They were not calls needing immediate attention. The third call makes a statement about a missing child and kidnapping. Seems to have amped up the attention and the police arrived promptly. We have to resist looking at this through 20/20 hindsight. A missing car that is in the garage isn't urgent. A missing child and the smell of a dead body in the damn car, is.

I called OCSO years ago because someone had stolen some property. It was a non-emergency and they responded in about two hours.

A few years after that, I called them because a neighborhood man had invited my son, who had ridden his bike around the block, to come in to his house, he had some comic books he could have.

OCSO showed up in less than ten minutes that time and investigated quite thoroughly.

Superllama
12-31-2008, 11:14 AM
That is a lot of time to come up with what they thought was a "good" cover story and start hiding/covering up evidence.

I really disagree with the thought that the Anthony's were covering up for KC from the beginning.

I highly doubt that when CA made that first 911 call that she thought Caylee was dead. It seemed more like she was using the police to get KC to bring her to Caylee. There is a clear difference in the voice from the first and second calls, to the last one. She went from angry to panicked when she realized that KC wasn't just being spiteful, and Caylee was in fact missing.

I know most of us don't agree with a lot of the Anthony family's actions in the past six months, but I cannot believe that they knew from the beginning that Caylee was murdered and then proceeded to knowingly cover it up. KC has that family so blinded, and it doesn't take a lot of effort to convinice a grandmother that if she makes the wrong move she will be killing her own granddaughter. They were all manipulated into believing KC, and I feel like they are all victims in this. All my opinion...

zoey
12-31-2008, 11:17 AM
for the life of me I wouldn't be able to find this but there was a post sometime ago about a conversation between ca and kc right as the phone was being handed to kc to speak with LE--at that point someone heard her complain that she wouldn't be able to speak to tonE----shows where her concern was at that point.....:furious:

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 11:20 AM
I went back to look at the time line to see what time Amy was picked up from the Mall by Cindy and did not find that info. Here is where I am heading with this. What was done from the time Cindy sent George to work after the car was brought home and when she contacted Amy, until the police arrived?
Amy picked up the guys from the airport around 4:30pm on July 15..By that time she had already taken Casey back to Tony L's house per her statement to LE. But Ricardo M. Says: Casey came to the airport July 15 Casey came to the airport. [No time given]
Page 1305 Lines 6-7 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf

So, where and with who was Casey? What time did Cindy pick up Amy from the Mall?
What time did they get to Tony L's?
What time did they leave Tony's?
Lee stated he was at the home at 8PM July 15 nobody was home so he called Cindy and she told him that Casey and her were 30 seconds away.
The first call to 911 was at Call #1 7/15/2008 8:08pm
So confused.


I'm trying to get this figured out myself.
TL statement 7/22/08 starting on page 30
Doesn't say what time AH and CA arrived but says that they stayed for at least 30 minutes before leaving. He starts wondering what is going on so alittle after 8:00 p.m. he tries texting KC only to find out he still has her phone. Then about 20-30 minutes after that LA calls.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

Still working on it but wanted to post what I found so far. :)

LucyLu
12-31-2008, 11:21 AM
I really disagree with the thought that the Anthony's were covering up for KC from the beginning.

I highly doubt that when CA made that first 911 call that she thought Caylee was dead. It seemed more like she was using the police to get KC to bring her to Caylee. There is a clear difference in the voice from the first and second calls, to the last one. She went from angry to panicked when she realized that KC wasn't just being spiteful, and Caylee was in fact missing.

I know most of us don't agree with a lot of the Anthony family's actions in the past six months, but I cannot believe that they knew from the beginning that Caylee was murdered and then proceeded to knowingly cover it up. KC has that family so blinded, and it doesn't take a lot of effort to convinice a grandmother that if she makes the wrong move she will be killing her own granddaughter. They were all manipulated into believing KC, and I feel like they are all victims in this. All my opinion...


I agree with you 100%. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Marple
12-31-2008, 11:28 AM
It seemed more like she was using the police to get KC to bring her to Caylee. There is a clear difference in the voice from the first and second calls, to the last one. She went from angry to panicked when she realized that KC wasn't just being spiteful, and Caylee was in fact missing.


ITA. I'll bet CA was the kind of parent who used to say, "Okay, I'm counting to three! One...... two......... three." And then ended up counting to twenty before taking action and disciplining her child.

Not that this is CA's fault. Lots of children are spoiled in this way and don't go on to murder their children. :mad:

Tinsel
12-31-2008, 11:29 AM
What has been bothering me a lot lately is how CA described the 2nd phone call as deliberately exaggerated, and that she was doing anything she could to get the police there faster. She claimed she exaggerated the information about the smell and was deliberately sounding hysterical.

Of course most believe she was rewriting history and she was truly hysterical and suspected her daughter. I believe that, and I also have come to believe the comment that RP, CAs brother said, that CA's not the brightest lightbulb on the tree. She's passionate, stubborn, and has a unbalanced sense of entitlement, according to one psychological profile I have been hearing on YouTube.

Considering all these most recent twists and turns, I think it's LA the parents are trying to protect. I suspect is has something to do with Zanny--as in Xanny (Xanax) and the brother and sisters "work" as was alluded to in the jail house calls between LA and KC. They don't want to lose their last child to prison. But now they have to protect themselves with the immunity angle.

:chicken:

illinoismom
12-31-2008, 11:34 AM
I dont know about Orlando, but here our police stations dont close and I live in a much smaller town than Orlando is. Thats just weird to me......

Patty G
12-31-2008, 11:41 AM
I dont know about Orlando, but here our police stations dont close and I live in a much smaller town than Orlando is. Thats just weird to me......

In this video of Cindy at the bond hearing she speaks about the police station being closed.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 11:50 AM
Here is a WS link to timeline information for 7/15

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2008-7-15&c=4

:clap::clap: For the many contributors because this had to be a very time consuming task.

Patty G
12-31-2008, 11:52 AM
for the life of me I wouldn't be able to find this but there was a post sometime ago about a conversation between ca and kc right as the phone was being handed to kc to speak with LE--at that point someone heard her complain that she wouldn't be able to speak to tonE----shows where her concern was at that point.....:furious:

Are you talking about the last 911 call when Cindy handed the phone over to Casey to speak with the 911 operator?
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html

zoey
12-31-2008, 11:54 AM
Are you talking about the last 911 call when Cindy handed the phone over to Casey to speak with the 911 operator?
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html

yes...she muttered something and someone here did something to enlighten the message...it was about not speaking with tonE....odd

Secretsolver
12-31-2008, 11:56 AM
It never made sense to me why she would say KC stole her car. It's pretty obvious the car may be in Cindy's name, but it was for KC's use.

Cindy was saying that the car was stolen to cover up the decomp. If the car had supposedly been stolen, the A's could later claim that the decomp smell would have been put there by the supposed car theif. Not Casey then and maybe this would be an excuse for Casey.

shoelace
12-31-2008, 11:58 AM
I really disagree with the thought that the Anthony's were covering up for KC from the beginning.

I highly doubt that when CA made that first 911 call that she thought Caylee was dead. It seemed more like she was using the police to get KC to bring her to Caylee. There is a clear difference in the voice from the first and second calls, to the last one. She went from angry to panicked when she realized that KC wasn't just being spiteful, and Caylee was in fact missing.

I know most of us don't agree with a lot of the Anthony family's actions in the past six months, but I cannot believe that they knew from the beginning that Caylee was murdered and then proceeded to knowingly cover it up. KC has that family so blinded, and it doesn't take a lot of effort to convinice a grandmother that if she makes the wrong move she will be killing her own granddaughter. They were all manipulated into believing KC, and I feel like they are all victims in this. All my opinion...

yep, you're right on the money. sure, after the fact things were bent and shaped a little with the help of denial, fear, and hope, but when this all went down there's no way that anyone knew what was going on, save for casey.

Patty G
12-31-2008, 11:58 AM
yes...she muttered something and someone here did something to enlighten the message...it was about not speaking with tonE....odd

I didn't hear that when I enhanced it.

illinoismom
12-31-2008, 12:03 PM
In this video of Cindy at the bond hearing she speaks about the police station being closed.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US

Thanks Patty G.

I dont doubt they were closed, just that where Im from its odd. Also if she was serious about taking KC to the police, couldnt she have found one that was open? Just odd to me is all:confused:

Secretsolver
12-31-2008, 12:04 PM
I dont know about Orlando, but here our police stations dont close and I live in a much smaller town than Orlando is. Thats just weird to me......

The Sheriffs offices don't close but some of the substations have only certain hours that they are open. Cindy had gone to a sub station and that is why she mentions the police station was "closed"

77NancyDrew
12-31-2008, 12:06 PM
I haven't read any of the replies.
I've said it before and I'll say it again durning thoses 2 hours is when the A's devised thier plan and came up with this story.
Come on now they all knew there was never any nanny, as much as the A's say that they loved Caylee do you think for one minute that they never would have met the nanny , seen photos of the nanny or had her number incase of an emergency(Ie KC gets in to a car crash) and they had to contact her to pick up Caylee.But they all thought it was the perfect cover up story so thier precious little KC could get off scott free, but duh they must have forgot that they weren't dealing with LE officers from someback water town.lol
They spent the 2 hours doing that, cleaning the car and mabey moving the body out of there back yard.
Who knows, nothing would surprise me in this case after all the twists an turns.
Thats why it doesn't surprise me at all that the GP's won't help without full immunity.
It also kinda makes me wonder if Caylee's body was somewhere elese and someone moved Caylee after all this time so she would finally be found. With word of the video of the area that held no body(I don't really know what I think of this so called video but I am just throwing it out there), to Caylee's body being there on Dec 11, who really knows.
Just my honest opinon .
To the GP's its all about KC not Caylee if it was about Caylee they would never have fought to get her bailed out, they would have not made @** of themselves everytime they opened thier mouths .
Even now it all about KC as Caylee's precious little body is laying alone in that cold dark funeral home awaiting a proper burial that she deserves.

illinoismom
12-31-2008, 12:11 PM
The Sheriffs offices don't close but some of the substations have only certain hours that they are open. Cindy had gone to a sub station and that is why she mentions the police station was "closed"

Well I suppose the "substation" thing explains it a little better for me. As I posted above you though, I wonder why, if CA was serious about taking KC to the police, she didnt take her to one that was open? Too far?

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 12:12 PM
IMO, did CA cry wolf to LE to many times? Was LE used to coming to the house over nothing? How many times did CA call LE and cancel out during her fits??? Maybe LE thought CA and Kc having another stupid fight? Usually LE shows up immediately........don't understand.........LE friends of kc back then??? MOO


Here's a list for Calls of Service to the Anthony home starting 11/2003. Don't know if there were any calls prior to this.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

zoey
12-31-2008, 12:20 PM
I didn't hear that when I enhanced it.


let me go back and see what I found initially...be patient--I'm a very slow sleuther......:blowkiss:

Patty G
12-31-2008, 12:24 PM
Well I suppose the "substation" thing explains it a little better for me. As I posted above you though, I wonder why, if CA was serious about taking KC to the police, she didnt take her to one that was open? Too far?

The average person rarely needs to take someone to the police station and if they did they figure the police station would be open 24/7. Right now if I had to go to my local police station after 5:00 PM, I might find them closed too! :crazy:

BondJamesBond
12-31-2008, 12:28 PM
Extensive details of 7/15 by the hour in the Sticky Forum thread for that date. Included determining the amount of time G&C had to clean the Pontiac together and alone.

Not as much focus on what happened between the 911 calls yet, but, that would be a great place to flesh it out too.

PaperDoll
12-31-2008, 12:29 PM
I really disagree with the thought that the Anthony's were covering up for KC from the beginning.

I highly doubt that when CA made that first 911 call that she thought Caylee was dead. It seemed more like she was using the police to get KC to bring her to Caylee. There is a clear difference in the voice from the first and second calls, to the last one. She went from angry to panicked when she realized that KC wasn't just being spiteful, and Caylee was in fact missing.

I know most of us don't agree with a lot of the Anthony family's actions in the past six months, but I cannot believe that they knew from the beginning that Caylee was murdered and then proceeded to knowingly cover it up. KC has that family so blinded, and it doesn't take a lot of effort to convinice a grandmother that if she makes the wrong move she will be killing her own granddaughter. They were all manipulated into believing KC, and I feel like they are all victims in this. All my opinion...


I agree with your post, Superllama :p I don't think they went into cover up mode from the beginning. I listened to these 911 calls. My heart broke listening to Cindy in her 3rd call.

Lee went in to talk to Casey and I truly don't think he knew what happened until Casey confessed Caylee went missing. I think Lee had no idea that Casey was responsible for this. There was no indication, YET, to believe other wise. I think he wanted facts before he jumped to any conclusion. As for Cindy, I think it was when she walked in the room and heard them talking that she realized Caylee was missing, therefore the 3rd 911 panic call. After all, she hadn't seen them for about a month, IIRC..

affinity
12-31-2008, 12:31 PM
Cindy was trying to impress upon KC that she would do whatever it took to get her to take her to Caylee. At that point, she realized KC had been lying to her, wasn't where she'd said she was, so Cindy had decided that she was through playing hide the baby. She probably thought KC would cave if she took her to the police station and produce Caylee. I really believe she didn't know that it was too late and KC couldn't produce Caylee, at least not in a form that would make Cindy happy. The police station was closed so Cindy went home, no doubt threatening to call the police again all the way if KC didn't take her to Caylee. Wonder what KC was thinking when they drove close to where she'd dumped the body. She was probably hoping that Cindy would give her another chance, another day, so that she could take off, some how, some way. This one's not much of a planner. Trapped in the house with Cindy, with the police definitely on the table, talking to Lee, she knew she had to come up with something else because her 'one more day' was probably not going to happen. Did she tell Lee? God, I hope not. I hope families don't really protect the murderers of little children. Did Cindy know? I don't think so. KC had probably been toying with a kidnapping story over at Tony's, knowing someday she'd have to explain something to someone, but she's completely disorganized and not the most complete sandwich in the basket, and she didn't have a really good story put together yet, even after she'd known for a month she might need one. She went with it anyway. What else could she do? If Mommy found out what really happend, she'd lose Mommy forever. She hated Mommy, and in a way what happened will make Mommy pay, and Mommy deserves that. What happened was really Mommy's fault any way, so it's kind of 'justice' for Mommy, but it would be the worst thing in the world to lose Mommy, so can Mommy can NEVER know. Just talk, talk and look good, sound confident. The cops are guys, right? Might work. Always did before.

excellent post!

trac
12-31-2008, 12:32 PM
It never made sense to me why she would say KC stole her car. It's pretty obvious the car may be in Cindy's name, but it was for KC's use.

Could this be her reason for the money theft? Most likely the entire A clan was at home - everyone is ganging up on Casey - the car reeks - Cindy knows about the money theft, hearing it from her brother and checking their accounts (because if you remember George said in the FBI interviews that he and Cindy found out that week that Casey made phantom deposits - forged deposit slips - into the account and took money out instead) then the car gets towed, George brings it home - Car smells

Cindy drags Casey home - no Caylee - Cindy tired of hearing that Caylee is with this nanny she has never seen - so bluffs Casey into talking - calls LE first call - car theft (because of the tow) and money theft - then calls again because LE hasn't come out - NOW all these calls Casey knows the jig is up and has the line of the kidnapping (actually could have been an afterthought which took a life of it's own at that point)

Begs for one more day because Casey needs to get her ducks in order - Cindy in a panic calls 911 the 3 rd time - Caylee is gone

yellowlab
12-31-2008, 12:33 PM
Here's a list for Calls of Service to the Anthony home starting 11/2003. Don't know if there were any calls prior to this.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive



:eek:

zoey
12-31-2008, 12:33 PM
I didn't hear that when I enhanced it.


don't know how to post the post that I got it from --- it is was on the Heard something new in the 911 tape.....
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3000107&postcount=102
(I'm sure there is a better way...kids still sleeping...)

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 12:33 PM
IIRC KC was worried about talking to TonE in the jailhouse call from 7/25 and she is asking CA, Kristina C., and LA for his number.


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/documents-discovery/

JBean
12-31-2008, 12:34 PM
Here's a list for Calls of Service to the Anthony home starting 11/2003. Don't know if there were any calls prior to this.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive
We do have an entire thread devoted to this topic if you would like to discuss.

trac
12-31-2008, 12:35 PM
IIRC KC was worried about talking to TonE in the jailhouse call from 7/25 and she is asking CA, Kristina C., and LA for his number.


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/documents-discovery/


Awww come on we all know the boyfriend was WAY more important than finding Caylee???? Please where are your priorities! (I'm being sarcastic, I think it shows LOL)

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 12:37 PM
We do have an entire thread devoted to this topic if you would like to discuss.

OK sorry, didn't know and someone asked about prior calls. Thanks. :)

SL_Zero
12-31-2008, 12:43 PM
Here's a list for Calls of Service to the Anthony home starting 11/2003. Don't know if there were any calls prior to this.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

whoa! :eek: are these all calls the anthony family made?
i'm confused though. all the 911 calls we were talking about are 15/7... so how come they reported the car stolen on 26/6 ??? (this is new to me!)

and what's with the burglary call on 24/6.

omg.:confused::eek::confused:

donnam
12-31-2008, 12:46 PM
Could this be her reason for the money theft? Most likely the entire A clan was at home - everyone is ganging up on Casey - the car reeks - Cindy knows about the money theft, hearing it from her brother and checking their accounts (because if you remember George said in the FBI interviews that he and Cindy found out that week that Casey made phantom deposits - forged deposit slips - into the account and took money out instead) then the car gets towed, George brings it home - Car smells

Cindy drags Casey home - no Caylee - Cindy tired of hearing that Caylee is with this nanny she has never seen - so bluffs Casey into talking - calls LE first call - car theft (because of the tow) and money theft - then calls again because LE hasn't come out - NOW all these calls Casey knows the jig is up and has the line of the kidnapping (actually could have been an afterthought which took a life of it's own at that point)

Begs for one more day because Casey needs to get her ducks in order - Cindy in a panic calls 911 the 3 rd time - Caylee is gone
This is exactly what I think happened.

SL_Zero
12-31-2008, 12:48 PM
We do have an entire thread devoted to this topic if you would like to discuss.

cool thx. must have been from before i came on to the ws scene. :)
will go and try to find it.

debs
12-31-2008, 12:50 PM
whoa! :eek: are these all calls the anthony family made?
i'm confused though. all the 911 calls we were talking about are 15/7... so how come they reported the car stolen on 26/6 ??? (this is new to me!)

and what's with the burglary call on 24/6.

omg.:confused::eek::confused:

See, I saw that awhile ago, and it DOES say 2006, but it is stuck in the 2008 calls.

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 12:54 PM
cool thx. must have been from before i came on to the ws scene. :)
will go and try to find it.

I think I found it. :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70289&highlight=Calls+Service+Anthony+home

Lanie
12-31-2008, 12:58 PM
The first call was made in anger over the daughter taking car/money. I would not consider that an emergency 911 call. Normally I would think press charges at the police station on Monday. Nothing was mentioned about a missing child in the first call.

Also, Cindy tells the dispatcher in the first call she will go home and call again to settle whether this is OCSD or OPD.
I don't think you can fairly start counting down on LE showing up until the second call.
Lanie

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 12:59 PM
We do have an entire thread devoted to this topic if you would like to discuss.

Thank you very much for pointing this out, it's appreciated! :blowkiss: Very interesting stuff.

Amster
12-31-2008, 12:59 PM
Lee going to collect KCs stuff has always set off my hinky meter. Did he crash her computer? Did he get rid of anything for her? I believe a lot more was said in that bedroom than what Lee reported.

Meemom
12-31-2008, 01:02 PM
I think CA is perfectly capable of operating on two different wavelengths at the same time....Even if consiously she was simply originally just really pissed off at KC because of the cost of getting the car from impound, compounded by her anger at finding out that KC was AGAIN lying, about being out of town with the fantasy Jeff, and withholding Caylee from her, she may have subconsiously gone in to a "what if" mode, due to the comments by GA about the smell in the car, etc. She may have felt she was simply cleaning up another mess left by KC, by cleaning the car, washing pants, etc., but somewhere deep in her mind she had to know she was destroying possible evidence ..... perhaps it was a "if I get rid of this stuff, we can pretend it never existed" type of thing. I think all that happened before she found AH's # in the car, called AH and tracked down KC. I think she knew on some level that something was seriously wrong, but did not want to face it. So she tried to just get KC to produce Caylee, so she'd know the other possibilities lurking deep in her mind were not true. Hence the threat of the police with the initial stop at the closed sub station and 1st calls. KC knew her mother wouldn't really press charges about the car, or stolen $. LA's attempt to get to KC with the reality of the police showing scenerio he played pushed KC over the edge, made her realize she had to have some story to tell the cops, couldn't tell the truth, and CA bursting in with "Who has her?" gave KC an out. I think the 3rd call was CA truly frantic, thinking the baby was kidnapped, but the "car smell" thing was a subconscious slip on her part, the part of her that knew there was a more, very serious story behind KC's lies about being out of town, etc. She later justified the statement as hyperbole to get the cops out there quicker, people will tell themselves all kinds of lies to avoid facing the painful truth. I think there are so many levels in every complex human being, especially quite dysfunctional ones like the A's, that it's almost impossible to track their thinking, this is JMO.

SL_Zero
12-31-2008, 01:05 PM
See, I saw that awhile ago, and it DOES say 2006, but it is stuck in the 2008 calls.

wow i didnt realize it was 2006. good eye. just assumed 2008 since it was sandwiched between 2008 calls.

read other thread and now i see that the burg call was gas cans. forgot GA called bout that.

thx all.

MUGENDAI
12-31-2008, 01:05 PM
Cindy was trying to impress upon KC that she would do whatever it took to get her to take her to Caylee. At that point, she realized KC had been lying to her, wasn't where she'd said she was, so Cindy had decided that she was through playing hide the baby. She probably thought KC would cave if she took her to the police station and produce Caylee. I really believe she didn't know that it was too late and KC couldn't produce Caylee, at least not in a form that would make Cindy happy. The police station was closed so Cindy went home, no doubt threatening to call the police again all the way if KC didn't take her to Caylee. Wonder what KC was thinking when they drove close to where she'd dumped the body. She was probably hoping that Cindy would give her another chance, another day, so that she could take off, some how, some way. This one's not much of a planner. Trapped in the house with Cindy, with the police definitely on the table, talking to Lee, she knew she had to come up with something else because her 'one more day' was probably not going to happen. Did she tell Lee? God, I hope not. I hope families don't really protect the murderers of little children. Did Cindy know? I don't think so. KC had probably been toying with a kidnapping story over at Tony's, knowing someday she'd have to explain something to someone, but she's completely disorganized and not the most complete sandwich in the basket, and she didn't have a really good story put together yet, even after she'd known for a month she might need one. She went with it anyway. What else could she do? If Mommy found out what really happend, she'd lose Mommy forever. She hated Mommy, and in a way what happened will make Mommy pay, and Mommy deserves that. What happened was really Mommy's fault any way, so it's kind of 'justice' for Mommy, but it would be the worst thing in the world to lose Mommy, so can Mommy can NEVER know. Just talk, talk and look good, sound confident. The cops are guys, right? Might work. Always did before.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

SL_Zero
12-31-2008, 01:06 PM
I think I found it. :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70289&highlight=Calls+Service+Anthony+home

cool im there now thanks :blowkiss:

DotsEyes
12-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Here is what I think. Once they were all in the house together, they went into cover up mode. Despite saying that she had not seen Caylee in 31 days which, by the way, puts her last seeing Caylee to the 14th of June not the 16th as GA lied about, the whole family agreed to the 9th, which takes the murder away from the house and keeps the LE focus away from the Father's Day weekend. I believe it was an intentional lie, fabricated to distance all of them from that fateful weekend.

I know there is a video from Father's Day that KC uploaded on June 16th, but I also know that GA told the FBI that KC was very good with computers and such and could even change dates on photos and things. Even Granny said it was the 9th. CA said she went to visit Grandpa on the 9th. I think KC changed the date and LE knows this.

I think the 31 days is the only truth KC has spoken.

I also believe that the parents were scrambling around cleaning and disposing of evidence from the time they retrieved the car until Lee arrived at the house. I will be shocked to the core if either GA or CA went to work after finding the corpse car. Sorry, no one does that. Lee was the only one who didn't know what had been going on all day and by the time he got there, everything was already in motion.

Lee got a call from GA telling him to go to the house because Mom is upset. What? Nothing about the corpse car in the tow yard? Bullchit.

No one in their right mind retrieves their kid's car from the impound, smells a rotting corpse, sees maggotts and flies, has a missing granddaughter and then does not call the police. No one. They waited until they had KC in their clutches so they could come up with a story. Although I hate to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if GA dug Caylee up from the yard that day and dumped her in the swamp while CA was with KC driving around in the car.

They are all in this up to their ears. The lies and the cover up started on the 15th of July. The only one who knew the lies were ridiculous and would be uncovered without a lot of investigation was GA and he was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof.

May they get what they deserve.

forensicbuff5747
12-31-2008, 01:10 PM
<<She probably thought KC would cave if she took her to the police station and produce Caylee>>

I remember seeing CA on a talk show (can't remember which) talking about this very thing. She said she just knew something was really wrong when Casey said "go ahead and take me to the police station". She knew then that Casey was "protecting" them if Casey would rather go to jail than to tell what happened. What a crock.
remember on Dateline "When caylee vanished" CA claims that Casey was ok with taking her to the police station? YEAH RIGHT! Another lie from CA! That woman is almost worse than her daughter. Casey did not feel relief and say "ok take me to the PD"

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 01:16 PM
cool im there now thanks :blowkiss:

You're Welcome! :blowkiss:

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 01:22 PM
Here is what I think. Once they were all in the house together, they went into cover up mode. Despite saying that she had not seen Caylee in 31 days which, by the way, puts her last seeing Caylee to the 14th of June not the 16th as GA lied about, the whole family agreed to the 9th, which takes the murder away from the house and keeps the LE focus away from the Father's Day weekend. I believe it was an intentional lie, fabricated to distance all of them from that fateful weekend.

I know there is a video from Father's Day that KC uploaded on June 16th, but I also know that GA told the FBI that KC was very good with computers and such and could even change dates on photos and things. Even Granny said it was the 9th. CA said she went to visit Grandpa on the 9th. I think KC changed the date and LE knows this.
I think the 31 days is the only truth KC has spoken.

I also believe that the parents were scrambling around cleaning and disposing of evidence from the time they retrieved the car until Lee arrived at the house. I will be shocked to the core if either GA or CA went to work after finding the corpse car. Sorry, no one does that. Lee was the only one who didn't know what had been going on all day and by the time he got there, everything was already in motion.

Lee got a call from GA telling him to go to the house because Mom is upset. What? Nothing about the corpse car in the tow yard? Bullchit.

No one in their right mind retrieves their kid's car from the impound, smells a rotting corpse, sees maggotts and flies, has a missing granddaughter and then does not call the police. No one. They waited until they had KC in their clutches so they could come up with a story. Although I hate to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if GA dug Caylee up from the yard that day and dumped her in the swamp while CA was with KC driving around in the car.

They are all in this up to their ears. The lies and the cover up started on the 15th of July. The only one who knew the lies were ridiculous and would be uncovered without a lot of investigation was GA and he was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof.

May they get what they deserve.


Respectfully bolded by me
How does the fact that CA and Caylee signed in to the Nursing Home on Fathers day 6/15 and CA's mother (SP) emailing about that to her friend fit in to this? :confused: TIA

trac
12-31-2008, 01:22 PM
Do you have a transcript page of George saying this? (bolded below) I don't remember him saying Casey was a computer whiz - especially to be able to change the date of a video? I'm not buying that one at all

Here is what I think. Once they were all in the house together, they went into cover up mode. Despite saying that she had not seen Caylee in 31 days which, by the way, puts her last seeing Caylee to the 14th of June not the 16th as GA lied about, the whole family agreed to the 9th, which takes the murder away from the house and keeps the LE focus away from the Father's Day weekend. I believe it was an intentional lie, fabricated to distance all of them from that fateful weekend.

I know there is a video from Father's Day that KC uploaded on June 16th, but I also know that GA told the FBI that KC was very good with computers and such and could even change dates on photos and things. Even Granny said it was the 9th. CA said she went to visit Grandpa on the 9th. I think KC changed the date and LE knows this.

I think the 31 days is the only truth KC has spoken.

I also believe that the parents were scrambling around cleaning and disposing of evidence from the time they retrieved the car until Lee arrived at the house. I will be shocked to the core if either GA or CA went to work after finding the corpse car. Sorry, no one does that. Lee was the only one who didn't know what had been going on all day and by the time he got there, everything was already in motion.

Lee got a call from GA telling him to go to the house because Mom is upset. What? Nothing about the corpse car in the tow yard? Bullchit.

No one in their right mind retrieves their kid's car from the impound, smells a rotting corpse, sees maggotts and flies, has a missing granddaughter and then does not call the police. No one. They waited until they had KC in their clutches so they could come up with a story. Although I hate to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if GA dug Caylee up from the yard that day and dumped her in the swamp while CA was with KC driving around in the car.

They are all in this up to their ears. The lies and the cover up started on the 15th of July. The only one who knew the lies were ridiculous and would be uncovered without a lot of investigation was GA and he was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof.

May they get what they deserve.

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 01:22 PM
After listening again to the 911 call
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html
I noticed something I had not before. When KC speaks to dispatch, she tells them she received a call from "Zani" that day, "from number that is no longer in service."
Didn't she tell LA and LE that the number came through as a private number?

JBean
12-31-2008, 01:23 PM
Here is what I think. Once they were all in the house together, they went into cover up mode. Despite saying that she had not seen Caylee in 31 days which, by the way, puts her last seeing Caylee to the 14th of June not the 16th as GA lied about, the whole family agreed to the 9th, which takes the murder away from the house and keeps the LE focus away from the Father's Day weekend. I believe it was an intentional lie, fabricated to distance all of them from that fateful weekend.

I know there is a video from Father's Day that KC uploaded on June 16th, but I also know that GA told the FBI that KC was very good with computers and such and could even change dates on photos and things. Even Granny said it was the 9th. CA said she went to visit Grandpa on the 9th. I think KC changed the date and LE knows this.

I think the 31 days is the only truth KC has spoken.
.
LE has confirmed that the video was taken the 15th and the nursing home has confirmed it as well, so can we accept that fact? No one in authority is debating that as fact, as far as I know. Unless I am missing an reportand then I will certainly stand corrected.
You might want to check your math on your recount of the days..

PaddieAB
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
What has been bothering me a lot lately is how CA described the 2nd phone call as deliberately exaggerated, and that she was doing anything she could to get the police there faster. She claimed she exaggerated the information about the smell and was deliberately sounding hysterical.
<snip
:chicken:



If this is bothering you a lot maybe you might consider your source of information, and then listen to the three 911 audio tapes yourself.

Because it was during the third call, not the second, when Cindy was hysterical.

maza
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
links to 911 transcripts:
http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/caylee_911calls.htm

at the bottom of first page is link to the second, etc.

trac
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
After listening again to the 911 call
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html
I noticed something I had not before. When KC speaks to dispatch, she tells them she received a call from "Zani" that day, "from number that is no longer in service."
Didn't she tell LA and LE that the number came through as a private number?


Yes Casey did tell LE that the call came from a private number AND in the same interview she tells LE that Zani changed services constantly, as did her friends - my question has always been - who, honestly, knows that someone changed service? Phone number yes, but service? Is it a FL thing?

Is it common knowledge to share between friends? 'Oh I left Verizon and went to Sprint - just thought I'd let you know'

Changed phone numbers? Sure you share - but share with everyone you changed service companies?

I don't know - it is just too much information

One thing you can tell a liar - they give too much information - in hopes to BS the other person - Casey, thinking too many facts, no one would check it out, she'd be in the clear

JWG
12-31-2008, 01:29 PM
I pulled the following from a more lengthy post (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3114459&postcount=13) of mine on the July 15 sticky thread:

Snipped

Now Cindy wants some answers. She is angry and confused, and Casey is not giving her a story that makes sense. They drive to a police station, and from the parking lot Cindy makes the first 911 call. She also calls George. George calls Lee and asks him to head over to their house to help Cindy get to the bottom of whatever is going on. Cindy drives back to the home with Casey - Lee is already there.

Cindy makes a second 911 call. Continues trying to talk to Casey and get some answers. George heads home from work. Cindy leaves the room and Lee tries talking to her. It is then that Casey mentions the kidnapping story which Cindy overhears. She rushes in, gets more information from Casey, and goes into a panic. I submit that this is the point where Cindy first puts two and two together.

She calls 911 again, this time mentioning the car smell and missing baby, and George happens to walk in on the call.

Remember, this was a huge, emotional day for the parents, all of it starting with the discovery that the Pontiac had been towed to an impound lot over two weeks prior.

maza
12-31-2008, 01:33 PM
reading the transcript of the second call, maybe 20% of it is actually about Caylee, a "possible missing child"



Dispatch: Is she not telling you where her daughter is?
Cindy: Correct.

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 01:40 PM
Another thing that puzzles...CA said KC had stolen the car June 30. Why would she say this? What am I missing? At first I glossed over this, thinking she was saying that to get the police out to her house. Thoughts?

yolorado
12-31-2008, 01:43 PM
After listening again to the 911 call
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html
I noticed something I had not before. When KC speaks to dispatch, she tells them she received a call from "Zani" that day, "from number that is no longer in service."
Didn't she tell LA and LE that the number came through as a private number?
Yep, her statements are riddled with these little inconsistencies. The devil is all over her details. When the police tell her the apt where she'd said she left Caylee on the 9th was vacant, suddendly she didn't leave her at the apt, she left her in the stairwell. At Universal, the cops go through every lie she told and get her to admit to most of them, then later when a policeman asks her about work, she snaps right back into telling the same lies that have already been discounted. She's a pip.

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 01:44 PM
Another thing that puzzles...CA said KC had stolen the car June 30. Why would she say this? What am I missing? At first I glossed over this, thinking she was saying that to get the police out to her house. Thoughts?

At a lose but that would be the day the car was towed from Amscott.

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Yes Casey did tell LE that the call came from a private number AND in the same interview she tells LE that Zani changed services constantly, as did her friends - my question has always been - who, honestly, knows that someone changed service? Phone number yes, but service? Is it a FL thing?

Is it common knowledge to share between friends? 'Oh I left Verizon and went to Sprint - just thought I'd let you know'

Changed phone numbers? Sure you share - but share with everyone you changed service companies?

I don't know - it is just too much information

One thing you can tell a liar - they give too much information - in hopes to BS the other person - Casey, thinking too many facts, no one would check it out, she'd be in the clear

Yes! TMI.

yolorado
12-31-2008, 01:48 PM
Another thing that puzzles...CA said KC had stolen the car June 30. Why would she say this? What am I missing? At first I glossed over this, thinking she was saying that to get the police out to her house. Thoughts?

Was the 30th the day the car was towed? Maybe that was what led her to that date. To me, it seemed like she was just saying stuff, just playing her game of double dare with KC. See, I'm really talkin' to the cops. See, I'm saying you stole my car. See, you could really get in trouble here. You'd better get me to Caylee now 'cuz I'm serious this time. I don't think she was actually thinking about dates so much as finding some key that would get her to Caylee.

Jolynna
12-31-2008, 01:51 PM
The first call was made in anger over the daughter taking car/money. I would not consider that an emergency 911 call. Normally I would think press charges at the police station on Monday. Nothing was mentioned about a missing child in the first call.

To me, the first two 911 calls sound like a domestic squabble between a mom and daughter.

Everything changes when Cindy makes the last 911 call. It is heartbreaking. Cindy sounds scared and desperate.

maza
12-31-2008, 01:53 PM
looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

bunnyphoenix1
12-31-2008, 01:57 PM
Another thing that puzzles...CA said KC had stolen the car June 30. Why would she say this? What am I missing? At first I glossed over this, thinking she was saying that to get the police out to her house. Thoughts?


Maybe they thought someone at the tow yard was going to report the smell in the car to the police...maybe they were already covering for Casey and that's why they reported the car "stolen"???? They don't actually say she stole it, do they???

PaddieAB
12-31-2008, 01:58 PM
I pulled the following from a more lengthy post (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3114459&postcount=13) of mine on the July 15 sticky thread:

Snipped

Now Cindy wants some answers. She is angry and confused, and Casey is not giving her a story that makes sense. They drive to a police station, and from the parking lot Cindy makes the first 911 call. She also calls George. George calls Lee and asks him to head over to their house to help Cindy get to the bottom of whatever is going on. Cindy drives back to the home with Casey - Lee is already there.

Cindy makes a second 911 call. Continues trying to talk to Casey and get some answers. George heads home from work. Cindy leaves the room and Lee tries talking to her. It is then that Casey mentions the kidnapping story which Cindy overhears. She rushes in, gets more information from Casey, and goes into a panic. I submit that this is the point where Cindy first puts two and two together.

She calls 911 again, this time mentioning the car smell and missing baby, and George happens to walk in on the call.


Remember, this was a huge, emotional day for the parents, all of it starting with the discovery that the Pontiac had been towed to an impound lot over two weeks prior.


Thanks for posting that scenario and it does make sense.

One of the disadvantages of OT single threads is that focus it put on small snips and pieces, and circumstances leading up to those events are overlooked. I felt a twinge of pity for CA when her mother mentioned CA had planned to go away for a week’s vacation during those 31 days, and instead CA stayed home waiting everyday, because Casey had continually promised to bring Caylee over to visit the next day, and then the next.....

In addition to the impounded car, the smell in the trunk, and some of Caylee’s belongings being in the car, emotions were surely high.

trac
12-31-2008, 01:59 PM
looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

That is interesting - so she is saying that CASEY has been missing for a month not Caylee? I wonder if Casey gave a long story how she and Caylee were held hostage and Zani let Casey go and kept Caylee - I wonder if this is how it started out

maza
12-31-2008, 02:02 PM
Another thing that puzzles...CA said KC had stolen the car June 30. Why would she say this? What am I missing? At first I glossed over this, thinking she was saying that to get the police out to her house. Thoughts?

it was a ploy. in theory, it would have worked if Caylee was still alive. "if you don't get your a$$ over here and bring Caylee, I'll call the cops and tell them the car was stolen." if the car had truly been stolen 2 weeks earlier, they would have reported it then.

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 02:02 PM
Maybe they thought someone at the tow yard was going to report the smell in the car to the police...maybe they were already covering for Casey and that's why they reported the car "stolen"???? They don't actually say she stole it, do they???
Yes, I believe they did, according to the transcripts:

# Cindy: For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone they said they would patch me through the Orlando, umm, Sheriff's Department have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no ones open. They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them.

# Dispatch: So she stole your vehicle?

# Cindy: Yes.

# Dispatch: When did she do that?

# Cindy: Umm on the 30th.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/caylee_911calls.htm

yolorado
12-31-2008, 02:04 PM
Maybe they thought someone at the tow yard was going to report the smell in the car to the police...maybe they were already covering for Casey and that's why they reported the car "stolen"???? They don't actually say she stole it, do they???

If she doesn't actually say Casey stole the car, my impression was that it was strongly implied. I ABSOLUTELY took it that she intended to have the police understand that wanted KC arrested for stealing her car. I don't think she really intended to have her arrested but instead meant to scare KC into taking her to Caylee. I never got that she intended to convey that someone else had taken the car.

PaddieAB
12-31-2008, 02:05 PM
looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.



I think she used the word "missing" because "my daughter has been avoiding me" is not a police matter at all. Adults daughters have every right to avoid their mothers, if they so choose. That includes withholding their children from seeing the grandparents.

Therefore I believe Cindy worded what she said so she would be taken seriously.

donnam
12-31-2008, 02:13 PM
After listening again to the 911 call
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html
I noticed something I had not before. When KC speaks to dispatch, she tells them she received a call from "Zani" that day, "from number that is no longer in service."
Didn't she tell LA and LE that the number came through as a private number?

Yes.....

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 02:18 PM
What has been bothering me a lot lately is how CA described the 2nd phone call as deliberately exaggerated, and that she was doing anything she could to get the police there faster. She claimed she exaggerated the information about the smell and was deliberately sounding hysterical.

Of course most believe she was rewriting history and she was truly hysterical and suspected her daughter. I believe that, and I also have come to believe the comment that RP, CAs brother said, that CA's not the brightest lightbulb on the tree. She's passionate, stubborn, and has a unbalanced sense of entitlement, according to one psychological profile I have been hearing on YouTube.

Considering all these most recent twists and turns, I think it's LA the parents are trying to protect. I suspect is has something to do with Zanny--as in Xanny (Xanax) and the brother and sisters "work" as was alluded to in the jail house calls between LA and KC. They don't want to lose their last child to prison. But now they have to protect themselves with the immunity angle.

:chicken:

I agree. CA trying to say she was deliberately hysterical or exaggerated any information is a load of twaddle.

That woman was distraught.

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 02:23 PM
looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

I think she said missing, meaning MIA. LA said the same thing (MIA) in his initial report to LE. MIA sounds more to me as "lying low, hiding out or avoiding the family."

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 02:27 PM
Yep, her statements are riddled with these little inconsistencies. The devil is all over her details. When the police tell her the apt where she'd said she left Caylee on the 9th was vacant, suddendly she didn't leave her at the apt, she left her in the stairwell. At Universal, the cops go through every lie she told and get her to admit to most of them, then later when a policeman asks her about work, she snaps right back into telling the same lies that have already been discounted. She's a pip.

I noticed that as well. She is definitely a seat of the pants kind of liar. Not a very good one, but a consistent liar.

Spitfire4ever
12-31-2008, 02:37 PM
I noticed that as well. She is definitely a seat of the pants kind of liar. Not a very good one, but a consistent liar.

:rotfl: Thanks, needed that!

DotsEyes
12-31-2008, 02:52 PM
GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

Insomnia Momma
12-31-2008, 02:56 PM
GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

Actually if you include the 15th of July as one day then count back the 31 days goes to June 15th. We've been over this time and again. One poster even has the calander as their signature. (I also just went back and counted again, for the upteenth time)

Also, the sign in sheet at the nursing home had CA's signature with her and Caylee's names on the 15th of June. As well as CA's mother's e-mail dated electronically from that day telling her sister that Cindy and Caylee visited that day.

Zuckerschnecke
12-31-2008, 02:57 PM
GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

I also notice Casey spews things out like, "I don't know where my daughter is" because technically, in her crazy head, she doesn't. She could have washed away, etc. and for her purpose, she doesn't really know at that moment where she is. Another example, "I haven't seen my daughter in 31 days." This statement was said many times. And think about it, in her mind, it's the truth. She probably hadn't seen her since she dumped her body in the woods so yeah, technically.....what a freak.

LancelotLink
12-31-2008, 02:59 PM
:rotfl: Thanks, needed that!
Anytime!

Zuckerschnecke
12-31-2008, 02:59 PM
GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.


Plus...wasn't by the time she was questioned it really the 16th. I might be wrong but I thought it was around midnight or early am on the 16th that the questioning went on.

JBean
12-31-2008, 03:01 PM
GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.Hi Dot. actually it depends on where you count from.It is 16 days from June 15 to June 30 and 15 days from July 1 to July 15. That is 31 days. Now if we start at the 16th of June it is 30 days to the 15th. But the way you and I count is actually case in point, that people can actually count a starting day or an ending day as they choose which will throw off the count. This can work for or against KC.
So, imo the discrepancy between the 15th and the 16th makes the differnce between 30 and 31 days.

IN the first doc dump, LE confirmed the video as being from the 15th. They can tell if a date has been changed or if something has been altered, that is the point of having a computer expert.IIRC, the home also confirmed that they were ther the 15th.

JBean
12-31-2008, 03:02 PM
Actually if you include the 15th of July as one day then count back the 31 days goes to June 15th. We've been over this time and again. One poster even has the calander as their signature. (I also just went back and counted again, for the upteenth time)

Also, the sign in sheet at the nursing home had CA's signature with her and Caylee's names on the 15th of June. As well as CA's mother's e-mail dated electronically from that day telling her sister that Cindy and Caylee visited that day.
zackly.

impatientredhead
12-31-2008, 05:11 PM
I agree with your post, Superllama :p I don't think they went into cover up mode from the beginning. I listened to these 911 calls. My heart broke listening to Cindy in her 3rd call.

Lee went in to talk to Casey and I truly don't think he knew what happened until Casey confessed Caylee went missing. I think Lee had no idea that Casey was responsible for this. There was no indication, YET, to believe other wise. I think he wanted facts before he jumped to any conclusion. As for Cindy, I think it was when she walked in the room and heard them talking that she realized Caylee was missing, therefore the 3rd 911 panic call. After all, she hadn't seen them for about a month, IIRC..

Cindy knew something was really wrong, even more so than normal Casey drama. First finding out the car was impounded, then the smell of the car, she wants to get info out of Casey, threatens the police. When she still won't take her to Caylee, Cindy is preparing to hear something horrific from Casey, that Caylee is dead. Instead she hears that yes her dumb****** daughter has done something horrifyingly stupid but she hears that Caylee is alive with the nanny. And she believes her because she needs to, wants to.... the emotional rollercoaster of just that day were horrible.

I don't condone how Cindy has behaved since then, but I don't find her to be suspect on the 15th.

FIND'HER
12-31-2008, 05:39 PM
GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

I can agree with your dates, but when LE went to the rest home they checked the dates for when Caylee and Cindy were there and the Date did match the Camera..Find It hard to believe that could have been any other date. Unless the Video was shot earlier and the date was changed and there was never no video taken on Fathers Day.

daisy7
12-31-2008, 06:37 PM
IIRC KC texted AH ~5:00ish that night with something like "Yeah, My Mom called me about that...). Maybe AH had contacted KC after speaking with CA?

Anyone have the exact time and text?

FIND'HER
12-31-2008, 06:49 PM
Im Having a hard time coming up with a timeframe. Because the 911 calls were made but there is no time on them.

LA says in his police interview he came by the house that morning :

My sister Casey Anthony has been M.I.A. for weeks, I assumed with her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. I came to the house this morning to see my mother and found Casey's vehicle in the garage and no sign of anyone. Casey and my mother showed up and both acted as if they been fighting abut Caylee. (What Time was this)
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_LeeStatement071508.htm

Anthony says:

AL: Uh, the checkbook? I found out uhm, the 5th, the night of the 15th when uh,
21 Casey actually was at my apartment and her mother and Amy showed up to my
22 house. They left and I have no idea. So I looked up Amy's phone in Casey's
23 phone and gave her a call. And she notified me to check my bank account and
24 everybody else in my apartment to check their bank account because that she
25 took money from her.

*This gets to be confusing, if Casey left Tonys Apartment on the 15 with CA and Amy, and Tony calls Amy later from a number he got off of KC phone (How did he do that) because I thought the whole time she was riding around with the cops she was sending text and she sent one the morning of the 16th to friends.(Unless he has a Missing BlackJack).

Amy H was the person who told the defendant's mother where the defendant could be found on the evening of the 15th. She claims that the defendant picked her up at the airport around 1430 hrs (2:30pm) on July 15th in her (Amy's) car.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestAffidavit071608.ht m

CA makes a 911 call on the 15th
Talking about the are riding around and she is bringing KC in for theft.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestAffidavit071608.ht m

The 2nd call is made, I guess after she gets home and no one is at the Police Station nearby.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_2nd_911Call071508.htm

They sit around and wait and wait and wait no cop shows up and CA calls for the 3rd time.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_3rd_911Call071508.htm

CA makes a statement on 7/15
3 wks ago asked my daughter to bring my (word "her" crossed out) car home along with my granddaughter Caylee. She told me she was in Jacksonville for the last 2-1/2 wks. Today( Does this mean 7/15) we got a registered letter re: my car being in Orlando since last week of June. We picked up the car today at Johnson's towing Co - Car was abandoned @ Amscot on E-50 X 3 days then towed on 6-30-08. When my husabnd and I retrieved the car I found a # for a friend of my daughters. Called her and she lead me to my daughter at her boyfriends (word "house" crossed out) apt. I took my daughter and told her to take me to my granddaughter. When I called the police she finally stated Caylee was missing. I last saw my granddaughter Sunday June 8th.
Then CA does on to say
Casey for the last month has told me that Caylee has been with her. She refused to let me speak with her because she said I would upset her.

I found Casey with her friend Tony @ his appt. around 7:30P.

There is no way Lee seen KC on the morning of 7/15.

GA says that :
On July 15, 2008 at approximately 2005PM( 8:05pm) my spouse (Cindy) called my cell phone. I immediately attempted to return her call, and only got her voice mail. I called our land line #, and also got a voice mail. I immediately then called my son, Lee told him I would appreciate him, checking on his mom, told him briefly about Casey again, and Mom & I are upset. At 2035PM (8:35), I finally got a hold of my spouse by cell, and she asked when I would be home. I told her I would be home about 10-10:30 P.M.
**But I thought Lee was already at the house.
GA goes on to say:
Arriving at 950PM, my spouse was in our garage crying.
But I thought he was already there when the 3rd 911 call was made.
Cindy: um. 8. 8-9, 2000. Oh god she's 3. She’s 2005. George, Caylee's missing.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_3rd_911Call071508.htm

daisy7
12-31-2008, 07:21 PM
Cell phone ping gurus -

Can you let us know what time CA first texted or called KC after she and GA picked up the car from Amscot?

TIA!!

illinoismom
12-31-2008, 07:21 PM
Yes Casey did tell LE that the call came from a private number AND in the same interview she tells LE that Zani changed services constantly, as did her friends - my question has always been - who, honestly, knows that someone changed service? Phone number yes, but service? Is it a FL thing?

Is it common knowledge to share between friends? 'Oh I left Verizon and went to Sprint - just thought I'd let you know'

Changed phone numbers? Sure you share - but share with everyone you changed service companies?

I don't know - it is just too much information

One thing you can tell a liar - they give too much information - in hopes to BS the other person - Casey, thinking too many facts, no one would check it out, she'd be in the clear


And.....If "Zanny" had taken Caylee 31 days ago and she hadnt seen Caylee or the Nanny since then, how did she know she had changed services??? If "Zanny" had changed services b4 they both went missing KC would have the new number....Right?!?!?

Oh wait....I bet that number was in the blackjack:bang:

Insomnia Momma
12-31-2008, 07:26 PM
Kc's cell was left at AL's apt when she took off with CA and AH. The police went and picked up her cell phone around 10pm. It was before the police showed up that AL tried to call KC to see what was going on and found her phone was still at his house. That was when he called AH for details. LA then went over to AL's apt to get the computer (with the screen of death :rolleyes: ) and the rest of KC's belongings. He returned to the Anthony home with those items and they were dumped on the floor, that's when CA procured the money in KC's wallet.

There are times for the 911 calls on a previous page. I believe the first call was at 8:04pm.

I think LA just made a simple mistake in saying the morning of the 15th.

illinoismom
12-31-2008, 07:27 PM
looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

Yep, Her daughter was "missing" BUT CA also says later that they texted or sent myspace messages daily IRRC.....Didnt she?

FIND'HER
12-31-2008, 07:29 PM
Kc's cell was left at AL's apt when she took off with CA and AH. The police went and picked up her cell phone around 10pm. It was before the police showed up that AL tried to call KC to see what was going on and found her phone was still at his house. That was when he called AH for details. LA then went over to AL's apt to get the computer (with the screen of death :rolleyes: ) and the rest of KC's belongings. He returned to the Anthony home with those items and they were dumped on the floor, that's when CA procured the money in KC's wallet. There are times for the 911 calls on a previous page. I believe the first call was at 8:04pm.

I think LA just made a simple mistake in saying the morning of the 15th.

What kind of money did she have in her wallet??

yolorado
12-31-2008, 07:37 PM
What kind of money did she have in her wallet??
Almost certainly it was Amy's money KC stole. IIRC, there was a couple of hundred and Cindy took it.

Insomnia Momma
12-31-2008, 07:43 PM
What kind of money did she have in her wallet??

I believe it was the $250 or what was left of the $250 she got from the bank using AH's checks. She did stop on the way to pick AH up from the airport and cash a check at BOA to herself for that amount. I don't believe after AH dropped her off at TL's that she had time to spend any of it yet.

I'm still mad at CA about that. She KNEW it was AH's money yet she took it anyway. :furious:

FIND'HER
12-31-2008, 07:52 PM
Man, I would have thought she would have least meaning CA. Used it towards the bond. That would have only made sense. Maybe the 50.00 GA keeps deposting into her Jail Account is from the 250.00 she stole..

I also think she knew Tony was going out of town and it was a good oppotunity for her to dump the smelling car at Amscot. So that she could borrow his while he was out of town.(I think that was staged) She probably told him she needed a way to work and she would put GAS in it.

FIND'HER
12-31-2008, 07:54 PM
Wonder if Target Sales were down since KC didnt get to shop there during Christmas. (Sorry I just had to have a Laugh) This case makes my head hurt trying to figure out all the lies..

BondJamesBond
01-02-2009, 01:45 AM
Cell phone ping gurus -

Can you let us know what time CA first texted or called KC after she and GA picked up the car from Amscot?

TIA!!



Originally Posted by BondJamesBond
Bringing this over from the "KC Borrowed Cindy's car thread" where we worked out the 7/15 timeline relative to opportunity for G&C to clean the Pontiac

12:58PM Casey calls Cindy's Cell for a 3.6min conversation
1:11PM Cindy calls Casey from her cell for a 1.5min conversation

~1:55PM Cindy & George wrapping up @ the towyard
~2:30PM George's HHR (Cindy driving) goes through the last toll on their way home w/ the Pontiac (George driving)
>2:30PM Cindy and George get home w/ the Pontiac
<5:10PM George leaves for work based on EPass record of his HHR

Casey's pings support...
~2:30PM Casey met Amy @ the airport
~3:20PM Casey & Amy leave the airport area after presumably picking up luggage

4:02PM Casey sends Amy a facebook message, "so glad you’re home.i better not see you online.life is on hold until tomorrow" suggesting Amy has now dropped her off @ Tony's.
4:27PM Cindy text messages Casey
4:44PM Casey text messages Cindy
4:45PM Cindy text messages Casey
4:48PM Casey text messages Cindy
4:53PM Casey text messages Amy, "I think your camera is at my parents. I’ll check later to be sure."

#:##PM Amy returns to the airport and picks up the boys
5:22PM Amy texts Casey about her camera being returned to her apt. instead of Casey's...indicating Amy made it to her apt.
~5:30PM Amy and J.P. goto Mall
#:##PM Cindy calls Amy
>6:17PM Cindy picks up Amy after going through airport toll per EPass
>6:30PM-7PM Cindy and Amy show up @ Tony's apt (my guess based on last outbound ping before 9:27PM Tony calling Amy w/ Casey's phone that was left @ his apartment)
8:44PM Cindy makes 911 call

Hope that helps.

daisy7
01-02-2009, 07:30 AM
Thanks, Bond!

So, it took CA nearly 2 1/2 hours to contact KC after they picked up the car. This just makes NO sense. You would think she would have contacted KC immediately??

MADJGNLAW
01-02-2009, 09:46 AM
I'm trying to get this figured out myself.
TL statement 7/22/08 starting on page 30
Doesn't say what time AH and CA arrived but says that they stayed for at least 30 minutes before leaving. He starts wondering what is going on so alittle after 8:00 p.m. he tries texting KC only to find out he still has her phone. Then about 20-30 minutes after that LA calls.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

Still working on it but wanted to post what I found so far. :)

Thanks for taking notice, I too and still looking more into this. I have been trying to create a time line just for July 15 with times and locations, but some of the doc's don't have time and I am really bad with the pings. Also would like to know where Cindy picked up Caylee that day or what day since she was at the home on the 15th of June.

evergreen
01-02-2009, 09:57 AM
Perhaps she did tell LA to do things (for their safety) because there was someone out to get her and maybe he did things like erasing her computer, etc because he believed her and thought he needed to to protect the family - not ever believing that KC was behind all of this? It might have never occurred to him that she was the culprit and he thought if he got rid of things it was to get the "bad guys" off their tails.

the story that "bad guys" were out to get the A family came later, after much of her original story was debunked. Originally KC story was very benign to Zanny, who she actually was suggesting was only borrowing the baby. The new story evolved when it was clear to LE that there was never going to be a babysitter with the baby.

daisy7
01-02-2009, 09:57 AM
Thanks for taking notice, I too and still looking more into this. I have been trying to create a time line just for July 15 with times and locations, but some of the doc's don't have time and I am really bad with the pings. Also would like to know where Cindy picked up Caylee that day or what day since she was at the home on the 15th of June.

Check out the below which was posted on the July 15th ping thread. It has tons of greats info on it... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74429


We must think alike Bonds. Here is a Docstoc I made. Its view is much differant and better if you choose download over viewing it on docstoc.
http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/101/thumbs/9659623452_b.jpg
Docstoc chopped it up.http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3303341/July-15-Events

MADJGNLAW
01-02-2009, 10:33 AM
I'm Having a hard time coming up with a time frame. Because the 911 calls were made but there is no time on them.



LA says in his police interview he came by the house that morning :

My sister Casey Anthony has been M.I.A. for weeks, I assumed with her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. I came to the house this morning to see my mother and found Casey's vehicle in the garage and no sign of anyone. Casey and my mother showed up and both acted as if they been fighting abut Caylee. (What Time was this) How was the car there already? It was not picked up until the afternoon of the 15th of July?
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_LeeStatement071508.htm

Anthony says:

AL: Uh, the checkbook? I found out uhm, the 5th, the night of the 15th when uh,
21 Casey actually was at my apartment and her mother and Amy showed up to my
22 house. They left and I have no idea. So I looked up Amy's phone in Casey's
23 phone and gave her a call. And she notified me to check my bank account and
24 everybody else in my apartment to check their bank account because that she
25 took money from her.

*This gets to be confusing, if Casey left Tony's Apartment on the 15 with CA and Amy, and Tony calls Amy later from a number he got off of KC phone (How did he do that) because I thought the whole time she was riding around with the cops she was sending text and she sent one the morning of the 16th to friends.(Unless he has a Missing BlackJack). .(Unless he had Casey's Missing BlackJack that Lee Anthony picked up with her things late that night, Casey could of left it behind and Lee took the Black Jack from there?).

Amy H was the person who told the defendant's mother where the defendant could be found on the evening of the 15th. She claims that the defendant picked her up at the airport around 1430 hrs (2:30pm) on July 15th in her (Amy's) car. (In one statement it shows Casey at the Airport at 4:30PM picking up RM?)http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestAffidavit071608.ht m

CA makes a 911 call on the 15th Call #1 7/15/2008 8:08pm

Talking about the are riding around and she is bringing KC in for theft.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestAffidavit071608.ht m

The 2nd call is made, I guess after she gets home and no one is at the Police Station nearby. Call #2 7/15/2008 8:44pm
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_2nd_911Call071508.htm

They sit around and wait and wait and wait no cop shows up and CA calls for the 3rd time. Call #3 7/15/2008 9:41pm (I don't think they sat around, Lee was home as well as Cindy and Casey, so plenty of time to come up with a script and a plan IMO.)http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_3rd_911Call071508.htm

CA makes a statement on 7/15
3 wks ago asked my daughter to bring my (word "her" crossed out) car home along with my granddaughter Caylee. She told me she was in Jacksonville for the last 2-1/2 wks. Today( Does this mean 7/15) we got a registered letter re: my car being in Orlando since last week of June. We picked up the car today at Johnson's towing Co - Car was abandoned @ Amscot on E-50 X 3 days then towed on 6-30-08. When my husband and I retrieved the car I found a # for a friend of my daughters. Called her and she lead me to my daughter at her boyfriends (word "house" crossed out) apt. I took my daughter and told her to take me to my granddaughter. When I called the police she finally stated Caylee was missing. I last saw my granddaughter Sunday June 8th.
Then CA does on to say
Casey for the last month has told me that Caylee has been with her. She refused to let me speak with her because she said I would upset her.(What did Cindy do that would upset Caylee?)
I found Casey with her friend Tony @ his apt. around 7:30P.

There is no way Lee seen KC on the morning of 7/15. (Unless Lee seen her the morning of when Casey dropped Caylee of for Father's Day, sounds like the fight started early that day and when Cindy and Caylee came back from the nursing home she must of wanted Casey home to watch Caylee and the fight blew up, now Cindy never mentioned the fight to LE, why not? She claimed she tucked Casey and Caylee into bed that night, I don't see that happening if she is trying to strangle Casey and they are having a huge fight. I would like to know where Caylee was all this time? Did something happen to Caylee that night when the second fight broke out? of June 15?)
GA says that :
On July 15, 2008 at approximately 2005PM( 8:05pm) my spouse (Cindy) called my cell phone. I immediately attempted to return her call, and only got her voice mail. I called our land line #, and also got a voice mail. I immediately then called my son, Lee told him I would appreciate him, checking on his mom, told him briefly about Casey again, and Mom & I are upset. At 2035PM (8:35), I finally got a hold of my spouse by cell, and she asked when I would be home. I told her I would be home about 10-10:30 P.M.
**But I thought Lee was already at the house. (In Lee's statement he claimed he was at the house around 8PM no one was home, called Cindy and she said her and Casey were 30 seconds away, so we need to look at the time of the calls of this day as well to compare.)GA goes on to say:
Arriving at 950PM, my spouse was in our garage crying.
But I thought he was already there when the 3rd 911 call was made.
Cindy: um. 8. 8-9, 2000. Oh god she's 3. She’s 2005. George, Caylee's missing. (There are two statements from George and one states she is in the garage the other that she is outside pacing. So I am not to sure what to think about this one, again need phone records and pings to see where George was and what time he really got home, could be he pulled up as she was on the 3rd 911 call, very close to the time the 3rd call was made.)http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_3rd_911Call071508.htm


Here are the times of the 911 calls and my thoughts.

zoey
01-02-2009, 10:42 AM
Here are the times of the 911 calls and my thoughts.



I think what this means is that Caylee needed to see ca more than kc...even in kc stmt she stated that Caylee got more upset about ca than her...I know with my kids if they didn't see me they would have been really upset....ca was her constant---kc was in & out....

MADJGNLAW
01-02-2009, 10:48 AM
Check out the below which was posted on the July 15th ping thread. It has tons of greats info on it... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74429

Thanks, this is great!

MADJGNLAW
01-02-2009, 10:52 AM
I think what this means is that Caylee needed to see ca more than kc...even in kc stmt she stated that Caylee got more upset about ca than her...I know with my kids if they didn't see me they would have been really upset....ca was her constant---kc was in & out....

I agree that is a good point as it is said that Cindy was the primary care giver and she spent 95% of the time with Caylee. I could see how that would upset Caylee. Here is the thing, why did Cindy not call 911 or DCS at least the first few days of Caylee missing? I could understand going one or two days, but she waited 31 days and was this child's primary care giver. She knows her daughter and should of known something was wrong from day one and did nothing until July 15th.

Spitfire4ever
01-02-2009, 12:05 PM
Hi Madjgnlaw,
I've got some time this afternoon to do some sleuthing. Let me know what information you are still looking for and I will be glad to help.

zoey
01-02-2009, 12:58 PM
I agree that is a good point as it is said that Cindy was the primary care giver and she spent 95% of the time with Caylee. I could see how that would upset Caylee. Here is the thing, why did Cindy not call 911 or DCS at least the first few days of Caylee missing? I could understand going one or two days, but she waited 31 days and was this child's primary care giver. She knows her daughter and should of known something was wrong from day one and did nothing until July 15th.

I think fear of kc ..... also possibly dcs taking the baby away....I don't know--I find it odd myself----I also don't quite get the big deal over who held Caylee first....that to me is moot...I couldn't tell you who held my babies first---(had c-section--labor 4 days...drugs were good!):waitasec:

JWG
01-02-2009, 03:17 PM
My sister Casey Anthony has been M.I.A. for weeks, I assumed with her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. I came to the house this morning to see my mother and found Casey's vehicle in the garage and no sign of anyone. Casey and my mother showed up and both acted as if they been fighting abut Caylee. (What Time was this)
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_LeeStatement071508.htm

Not being critical of acandyrose because she (?) has done a bang-up job of getting searchable transcripts of interviews out there, but the above I came to the house this morning is a transcription error. The best of us make them, and I have even seen several in the LE reports and summaries.

In Lee's written statement he clearly wrote evening and not morning.

When something I read about this case confuses me and it did not come from a document released by LE, I always go back to the document dump.

Disguiseduser0308
04-07-2009, 01:20 PM
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/cindy911girlmissing.wav

Bumping this up pursuant to revisiting Cindy's 911 call. Dispatcher asks to speak to Casey.

CA: "Casey, the sheriff's department, they want to talk to you."

- And I swear I hear -

CMA: "I don't have anything to talk to them about." :eek:

CA: "Answer their questions."

Am I hearing things? This has probably already been discussed and if so, I'm sorry. I don't ever remember this being discussed on any media outlet. This is quite interesting to me considering she had a missing child she had LOTS to talk to LE about.

chelle70
04-07-2009, 02:16 PM
Not being critical of acandyrose because she (?) has done a bang-up job of getting searchable transcripts of interviews out there, but the above I came to the house this morning is a transcription error. The best of us make them, and I have even seen several in the LE reports and summaries.

In Lee's written statement he clearly wrote evening and not morning.

When something I read about this case confuses me and it did not come from a document released by LE, I always go back to the document dump.

Thank you for checking that! I was wondering the same thing......that would have really screwed up the July 15th timeline!

mimimama5
04-07-2009, 03:32 PM
Ok, what I hear in this recording, the cleaned up version posted in audacity, is at .51 sec Cindy is saying, "Casey... sheriffs department they want to talk to you"
Casey replies " I'll never get to talk to him (them)"
Cindy says "Answer the questions"

I listened to this section about 10 times trying to understand the exchange between CA and Casey, it seems that Cindys repsonse " Answer the questions" doesn't correspond to Kc's last staement. This makes me believe I'm not hearing it correctly or maybe more accurately Cindy was beside herself and wasn't making much sense at the time. Lord knows I wouldn't make sense at this moment either.

suspicious1
04-07-2009, 03:38 PM
Ok, what I hear in this recording, the cleaned up version posted in audacity, is at .51 sec Cindy is saying, "Casey... sheriffs department they want to talk to you"
Casey replies " I'll never get to talk to him (them)"
Cindy says "Answer the questions"

I listened to this section about 10 times trying to understand the exchange between CA and Casey, it seems that Cindys repsonse " Answer the questions" doesn't correspond to Kc's last staement. This makes me believe I'm not hearing it correctly or maybe more accurately Cindy was beside herself and wasn't making much sense at the time. Lord knows I wouldn't make sense at this moment either.

I thought KC said something like "I don't want to talk to them"? And that's why CA replied "answer their questions"

mimimama5
04-07-2009, 03:42 PM
I thought KC said something like "I don't want to talk to them"? And that's why CA replied "answer their questions"

It sure would make more sense if thats what KC said, but try as I might I don't hear the hard hard consant T sound in don't and want....I wish I could becuase then it would make sense to me!:confused:

doogiesgirl
04-07-2009, 04:44 PM
I don't see a thread for the deputy that YM and JA question about taking the call in Aug to meet RK at Suburban. Can I just say that I am appalled. How can this person be a deputy? I hope the defense can't make this into something other than........I'm not saying it. I am beside myself at this audio though. jmo

JBean
07-07-2009, 08:03 PM
bumpity bump

magic-cat
10-08-2009, 01:21 AM
Refresher course is in order for us all here lest we forget whom we are dealing with. Cindy IMO is the master that Casey learned her art from...lying that is...

zoomom
10-08-2009, 04:45 AM
"Lee Anthony: "You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..."



She had a tough year? Whaaaa? I'll write youse a tough year!!! What is he talking about that we don't know? There has to be somethig....

claudicici
10-08-2009, 07:14 AM
...she wasn't able to go on that Puerto Rico trip :(

magic-cat
10-08-2009, 09:34 AM
"Lee Anthony: "You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..."



She had a tough year? Whaaaa? I'll write youse a tough year!!! What is he talking about that we don't know? There has to be somethig....
Perhaps, since he and she were SO close, she had cried to him with all of her man troubles, etc, and it is even possible that she made things up about her work or others to gain his sympathy and compassion? Or there could be some secrets that we will never know...that is likely I'd say since there seems to be NOBODY in that entire family except Shirley and Rick who has a word of truth to say!

Notice how Cindy outright lies about the date the car was "stolen"? She says the 30th...that was the date the car was TOWED so does that mean the tow company stole her car? lol...The devil is in the details every time.

Oakley
10-08-2009, 11:26 AM
Perhaps, since he and she were SO close, she had cried to him with all of her man troubles, etc, and it is even possible that she made things up about her work or others to gain his sympathy and compassion? Or there could be some secrets that we will never know...that is likely I'd say since there seems to be NOBODY in that entire family except Shirley and Rick who has a word of truth to say!

Notice how Cindy outright lies about the date the car was "stolen"? She says the 30th...that was the date the car was TOWED so does that mean the tow company stole her car? lol...The devil is in the details every time.

My Bold. Hmmmm - perhaps secrets that Lee vowed he would never divulge at the Caylee memorial? Casey's "don't worry, I didn't tell them anything" remark comes to mind as well...

claudicici
10-09-2009, 12:54 AM
...yeah,i still wonder about that one...

strach304
10-09-2009, 07:28 AM
I think all the stealing and being caught in so many lies may be what Lee is referring to. Remember she stole from him as well. Not taking care of her child, working, etc. She may have gotten away with a lot of her bullcrap because of Cindy covering up for her for so long. Eventually that all unfolded. In one of the interviews Lee's room mate states that they all knew she wasn't working. The 4,000.00 robbery from her parents, etc. Feel free to add to that list because there's plenty. I'm sure a lot of Casey's behavior went unchecked and noticed until Caylee came along but there is a pattern of her activities progressing. She herself tried to pass blame onto Cindy that night when she told Lee that Mom should have done this a long time ago. As in put her foot down, call LE or whatever.

Brini
10-09-2009, 08:05 AM
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/cindy911girlmissing.wav

Bumping this up pursuant to revisiting Cindy's 911 call. Dispatcher asks to speak to Casey.

CA: "Casey, the sheriff's department, they want to talk to you."

- And I swear I hear -

CMA: "I don't have anything to talk to them about." :eek:

CA: "Answer their questions."

Am I hearing things? This has probably already been discussed and if so, I'm sorry. I don't ever remember this being discussed on any media outlet. This is quite interesting to me considering she had a missing child she had LOTS to talk to LE about.

I thought I heard, "You can't make me talk to them."

Brini
10-09-2009, 08:09 AM
"Lee Anthony: "You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..."



She had a tough year? Whaaaa? I'll write youse a tough year!!! What is he talking about that we don't know? There has to be somethig....

Maybe or maybe not, depending on what lies KC told her family. She made stuff up about the family to her friends. She could've been making stiff up about the friends to the family-- the whole ZG freeway accident thing, for example. Or, complaining about "job problems."

RevCrim
12-21-2009, 10:00 AM
Okay- we all know about the three 911 calls-
1) CA reports- wanting her daughter arrested for Grand theft of a lot of money from her- and her stolen car.

2) CA reports wanting her daughter arrested for stealing her car- her money and a possible missing child ?

3) CA reports a missing child ? and the car smeels like a dead body has been in it.

Okay now- I can't make sense of any of this-

1 The Charges- I ain't buying it. What parent calls the police and demand their own child be arrested for false charges ?

a)Theft of a car ? The car was not stolen-CA admitted this-So false !
This was a false accusation against her own child- for what reason ?

b) Grand theft-Stealing lots of money from CA-CA has known about KC stealing money for a long time from a number of people. CA even stopped her own Mom from pressing charges against KC, and passed off the others as no big deal, and to JG, "It was only once." LA even pointed out to KC that CA has never called police before about her stealing checks and money. CA also said on July 15th, she even had affadavit's from her bank. Why was only CA's money important enough to want to have her daughter arrested?
Why hide and not report all the other thefts from other people? Who the money was stolen from doesn't make it okay.
Why wait until the car was found to report money being stolen and demand KC be arrested? For what reason ?

2) CA admitted the car was not stolen and now trying to change her story that KC did not steal money from her. I don't think she ever intended to press charges against her for the money.
But- CA reported Grand theft of a lot of money- for what reason ?

3) So- if it wasn't about the car, and it wasn't really about the money- then what was it about? Why did CA cal 911 ?

a) Since CA only reported KC to the police after the car was found, then the first 911 call, wasn't even about Caylee.

b) Was it the decomp smell in the car, along with whatever, items were in there as well ?

Why didn't GA or CA call 911 immediately when they smelled the decomp odor.
I can't believe anyone with common sense would buy they didn't know.
So- why didn't that get mentioned in the first 911 call ?

Now- (assuming) that they knew it was decomp they smelled- they knew their had indeed been a dead body in the car- Why didn't they report that in the first 911 call or even the second 911 call ?

So, (assuming) they knew it had been a dead body in the car- why then did they clean the car and the items within-? They would have been very miuch aware they were covering a crime and tampering with evidence- Why?

So- (assuming) they knew now a dead body had been in the car- why would they think it was okay to destroy evidence and try to cover a crime?

And- whose body did they think had been in the car ?

CA even told AH she had to find KC or KC could go to jail. This apparently was not about money being stolen or the car being stolen, nor about Caylee-
So- what was CA talking about- since she did not elaborate further.

Bottom line- The first and second 911 calls were not about the car beig stolen- so why even say such a thing ?
1) Because the smell of decomp scared her- and she thought KC was involved in a murder of someone?
2) Because the car was in her or LA's name and she wasn't taking a rap or getting involved with KC's messes?
3) Or CA was giving KC a set-up for an alibi that she had the car with CA's permission, but someone else stole the car from KC and committed a crime that they knew nothing about?
(Holes in this story would be- CA and GA cleaned the car- knowing of the smell.)

The 911 calls were not about the money-
CA didn't just find out KC was a thief on July 15th, 2008. This story is too old for anyone to buy into.

The 911 calls had to be about the decomp odor in the car- But- before they knew it was Caylee- Who did they think it had been in the car -what was the reason it was in KC's car- & why?

Why was the decomp not mentionned in the first two 911 calls- Why did CA & GA allegedly clean the car and leave it open in the garage to air and dry out from the cleaning- Were they waiting for the odor to subside and the cleaning solutions to dry before calling the police. If KC had given CA the answer she was seeking (Where Caylee was and if Caylee had been alive) would CA never have mentioned the decomp in the car, and just dropped charges ?
Isn't it a felony to call 911 and falsely report crimes?

Why if CA was only concerned about Caylee's whereabout and well-being- didn't CA just go to any Police station and ask advice. How did CA know that KC & Caylee were okay when she and GA found out about the car, and then the decomp- Why didn't they panic and call 911 right then and there- at the tow yard- and not touch anything?

logicalgirl
12-21-2009, 10:17 AM
My impression of those frantic phone calls was two points - first she was upping the ante to the 911 folks so she could actually get a response. And second she was threatening Casey to find out where Caylee was and get her back. She threatened to take her car away by reporting it stolen, and here's where Casy could get in trouble. I'm taking your wheels away, and if that isn't enough, I'm going to charge you with theft (if you don't do what I want). And then added to it by the 3rd call, by talking about the smell. I think she was using any action she could think of to get Casey to produce Caylee - that's what she wanted. Kind of like saying to a small child - you have to do this or the boogey man will get you. I also think Cindy was so frantic, she just didn't consider what the end result of her actions would be.

The Eunice Burns
12-21-2009, 11:04 AM
Rev Crim---thanks for posting and laying out your thoughts. The 911 calls and CA's explanation have always been an issue, IMO.

I am trying to imagine why C&G did not call 911 immediately, if not at Johnson's, then when arriving home. It's the stench that pushes it over the line, for me. Let's say they had recovered the car and there had been no stench--- OK, Caylee has been missing for 31 days, and they continue to try and track KC down, and send Lee on more club missions........that would be explainable if there had been no odor of human decomp. But there was, and GA admitted to thinking/knowing it was. So, then we have that stench combined w/ a 31 day absence of a 2 year old, and the erratic, outrageous, and ongoing behavior of KC........all of that was enough to call 911 THEN.

But instead, Cindy sends George to work, goes to work herself, and then later tackles trying to find KC. None of those actions make any sense to me in light of the odor. IMO, they knew enough to at least strongly suspect something horrible had happened to Caylee, all of the pieces were there. I think 911 was called to establish w/ LE their own "cooperation", and maybe GA as former LE knew that although they had cleaned the car and (IMO) tampered w/ evidence, that there was no getting out of involving LE........and let's not forget SB, who might have, had they not called, beat G & C to the punch. If not for him, I wonder if the As would have done things a wee bit differently. IMO I'd love to hear a compelling explanation for the As delay in calling 911 and the calls themselves, b/c none of it adds up to me.

RevCrim
12-21-2009, 11:18 AM
My impression of those frantic phone calls was two points - first she was upping the ante to the 911 folks so she could actually get a response. And second she was threatening Casey to find out where Caylee was and get her back. She threatened to take her car away by reporting it stolen, and here's where Casy could get in trouble. I'm taking your wheels away, and if that isn't enough, I'm going to charge you with theft (if you don't do what I want). And then added to it by the 3rd call, by talking about the smell. I think she was using any action she could think of to get Casey to produce Caylee - that's what she wanted. Kind of like saying to a small child - you have to do this or the boogey man will get you. I also think Cindy was so frantic, she just didn't consider what the end result of her actions would be.


CA was perfectl,y calm on the first 911 call- maybe a little ticked off, but calm nevertheless-
But again- no mention of the decomp nor Caylee to 911-
If Ca was so worried about Caylee- why didn't she panic when she saw the notice about the abandoned car? And especially when getting to the car at the towing lot? No 911 call? And- why did GA wait for CA to come before
checking the car out? He had a lot guy go with him to open the trunk? Why?
If he was that afraid it may have been Caylee in there- why no 911 call after he opened it? She was still missing. Now they had an abandoned car- no KC and no Caylee- What on earth would it take for them to report their family missing?

cecybeans
12-21-2009, 11:33 AM
CA was perfectl,y calm on the first 911 call- maybe a little ticked off, but calm nevertheless-
But again- no mention of the decomp nor Caylee to 911-
If Ca was so worried about Caylee- why didn't she panic when she saw the notice about the abandoned car? And especially when getting to the car at the towing lot? No 911 call? And- why did GA wait for CA to come before
checking the car out? He had a lot guy go with him to open the trunk? Why?
If he was that afraid it may have been Caylee in there- why no 911 call after he opened it? She was still missing. Now they had an abandoned car- no KC and no Caylee- What on earth would it take for them to report their family missing?

I think they knew immediately KC's car = KC's big problem and did not want to notify LE until they knew for sure it was not some dead drug dealer. They already knew KC was alive - she'd been texting on and off since the car was impounded. They may have thought she had simply sold her car for drug money and that a crime had occurred later. KC had been telling them since July 3 she was in Jacksonville. I think they wanted to eliminate KC from the line-up of possible perps before they called LE. And if they could locate Caylee in the interim, then they could minimize the damage in case KC was actually connected to the smell. They may have been hoping KC was simply hiding Caylee out of town at that point. Clean-up and minimizing - what KC's parents were used to from years of practice.

RevCrim
12-21-2009, 11:37 AM
Another thought- KC was 21 yrs, old, and no matter how much CA wanted to see Caylee, if KC decided to keep her away, there's nothing CA can do. So why did she panic and pull such a terrible stunt 31 days later? And I do mean stunt.
KC was capable of getting into more than enough trouble on her own, but for a mother to lie and falsely accuse her own child, is way beyond anything I can understand.
Why not, I am worried about my granddaughter and my daughter is not co-operating -and I feel something is very wrong?
Had to be the decomp in the car.
CA didn't call 911 on 7/3/08, when she wrote on her Myspace that Caylee was missing.
Or that night when KC was dodging LA.

The Eunice Burns
12-21-2009, 11:47 AM
I think they knew immediately KC's car = KC's big problem and did not want to notify LE until they knew for sure it was not some dead drug dealer. They already knew KC was alive - she'd been texting on and off since the car was impounded. They may have thought she had simply sold her car for drug money and that a crime had occurred later. KC had been telling them since July 3 she was in Jacksonville. I think they wanted to eliminate KC from the line-up of possible perps before they called LE. And if they could locate Caylee in the interim, then they could minimize the damage in case KC was actually connected to the smell. They may have been hoping KC was simply hiding Caylee out of town at that point. Clean-up and minimizing - what KC's parents were used to from years of practice.

Thanks, cecy. In reference to them possibly thinking a drug dealer had been lying dead in the car.....there is, for me, the issue of George already going "there" in his mind, that Caylee was in the trunk--before he and SB opened the trunk, he already had wondered w/ dread if Caylee could have been in there. IMO, he really knew. Why he then went on in the course he and Cindy took, I'll never understand.

debs
12-21-2009, 12:20 PM
Why does Cindy wait until Amy is out of the car to call 911?

Elley Mae
12-21-2009, 12:40 PM
Why does Cindy wait until Amy is out of the car to call 911?

iirc, Cindy stated in one of her interviews with LE that she and Casey were "talking", "discussing" getting Caylee. iirc, Amy's interview with LE was a bit different to say the least on that subject.Cindy was not a happy camper in the car. Probably just didn't want to involve Amy any further.

RevCrim
12-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Why does Cindy wait until Amy is out of the car to call 911?

In my thinking- for what it's worth-
By now CA knows about KC stealing money from AH and doesn't want KC to get arrested for that- it has no advantage for her- she knows full well she is going to drop the charges against KC, but maybe AH wouldn't. Remember, we are dealing with personalities where no one else exists no are there any people more important then themselves. So the heck with AH.
Proof is in the pudding- CA took the money out of KC's purse and claimed it as probably her own- not even giving a thought about KC just having stolen from AH.
Again- I don't buy the 911 calls- even though I am certainly glad CA brought attention to Caylee being gone.

SleuthyMama
12-21-2009, 12:44 PM
iirc, Cindy stated in one of her interviews with LE that she and Casey were "talking", "discussing" getting Caylee. iirc, Amy's interview with LE was a bit different to say the least on that subject.Cindy was not a happy camper in the car. Probably just didn't want to involve Amy any further.

I also think a little bit of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" applies here as well.

Cindy called Amy because she needed Amy to try and find out where Casey was. Once she had Casey, she didn't need Amy's assistance any longer and surely, because she's so big on maintaining the family's image, didn't want Amy to hear any more family biz than was absolutely necessary.

logicalgirl
12-21-2009, 12:48 PM
I just can't see that Cindy connected Caylee with the smell in the trunk at first. It seems Cindy thought Casey may be up to her usual no good, and this time was really in serious trouble, but don't think she'd allow herself to connect the two thoughts until Casey told her Caylee was missing. It seems she was cleaning up the car to protect Casey from whatever drug deal gone bad or whatever had happened - and then it was okay Casey - now your behavior has gone off the rails and you obviously aren't living the kind of life Caylee should be around so just bring her home right now. IMO
Not trying to make excuses for Cindy at all - I think she is a miserable excuse for a grandmother/mother/wife and her behavior over the last year has been reprehensible.

wenwe4
12-21-2009, 12:54 PM
The 911 calls were all about having power and control over KC. These were in an effort to force KC to produce Caylee immediately. It was the only thing CA had left to force KC to begin talking. She hadn't gotten the confirmation that we had a missing child at that point and the only thing she could do was begin upping the ante to prove Caylee was ok. The smell in the car was foremost in their mind and GA said "please don't let this be KC or Caylee" to the tow truck driver. After hours of trying to get to the bottom of the story, KC "finally admitted my granddaughter's been missing for a month - we need to find her".

RevCrim
12-21-2009, 01:47 PM
But- even if Ga and Ca still thought Caylee was alive- how and why would they think it was okay to cover up an apparent crime, and destroy evidence? Ga was in LE- he knew he should call 911. This all goes back to DAY ONE---But---Just when in Creation -was
DAY ONE-----certainly it was not June 15th, 2008.

grammieto5
12-21-2009, 03:21 PM
What are the chances of CA knowing about what KC had done to Caylee from the very begining? And then involving GA and then LA. The 4 of them had 31 days to come up with a story. Anyone else think this could be possible?

wonders
12-21-2009, 03:41 PM
I think we as humans should listen to our first instincts. In the case of GA and CA they should have done just that if they cared a cent for Caylee or even KC (could have supported her in an honest way) for that matter. They should have called LE at the tow yard (I never would have driven off with that smell in my car so that makes me wonder about them) They never should have cleaned the car. They should have let KC adopt Caylee out ( they all denied she was pregnant when she was 7 months along (( that to me says not one of the A's wanted her in the first place)) at CA's brother Rick's wedding) when she was born. I guess I could go on and on but I'm sure you see my point. They knew the truth but they chose to ignore what they smelled and saw. Even if they sat me down and explained it to me it would go over my head b/c I just can't think like that.

Searchfortruth
12-21-2009, 04:19 PM
Rev, you bring up some good questions here.

IMO, Cindy didn't report the smell in the car until she had the "nanny took Caylee" story from Casey (third 911 call). Prior to that, it was about the car, theft...I believe Cindy had a good idea from the smell, and not seeing Caylee for a month, that there was a big problem, early on. She didn't want to tell LE about her real fears, she was protecting Casey. She was trying to control LE just like she likes to control everyone else, using the calls to make Casey talk.

The third 911 call where Cindy says "the car smells like a dead body", was only after she had a suspect to give LE, Zanny. She knew about the smell before 911 call number one, she chose not to mention it until the "baby sitter stole Caylee" story was available. All my opinion only.

Elley Mae
12-21-2009, 04:25 PM
I think we as humans should listen to our first instincts. In the case of GA and CA they should have done just that if they cared a cent for Caylee or even KC (could have supported her in an honest way) for that matter. They should have called LE at the tow yard (I never would have driven off with that smell in my car so that makes me wonder about them) They never should have cleaned the car. They should have let KC adopt Caylee out ( they all denied she was pregnant when she was 7 months along (( that to me says not one of the A's wanted her in the first place)) at CA's brother Rick's wedding) when she was born. I guess I could go on and on but I'm sure you see my point. They knew the truth but they chose to ignore what they smelled and saw. Even if they sat me down and explained it to me it would go over my head b/c I just can't think like that.

Personally I think that Casey is and was a thorn in George's side, and has been for years. One of the first problems was her "graduation" he knew something was up with that, you don't find out 2 days before that you won't graduate. And we all know that pictures are taken months ahead of graduation. He knew that she was not working at Sports Authority. He knew she was "taking", stealing gas for months. Now back to George, he had just started a new job when he picked up the car, and iirc he has had another job since then. Cindy has been carrying him for years. She found out "it was cheaper to keep him" what 4-5 years ago. I am sure George would have loved for Casey to graduate, get a job, and move the heck out. Life would have been so good for him. Cutting the grass, cleaning the house, watch cooking show and cook dinner, and have an occasional swim. But that didn't happen, and who's fault is it? Casey is the reason George had to get a job, if not for her he wouldn't have to work.Sure he Loved Caylee and Cindy did too, but it is not what either one wanted for Casey.

wonders
12-21-2009, 04:50 PM
Personally I think that Casey is and was a thorn in George's side, and has been for years. One of the first problems was her "graduation" he knew something was up with that, you don't find out 2 days before that you won't graduate. And we all know that pictures are taken months ahead of graduation. He knew that she was not working at Sports Authority. He knew she was "taking", stealing gas for months. Now back to George, he had just started a new job when he picked up the car, and iirc he has had another job since then. Cindy has been carrying him for years. She found out "it was cheaper to keep him" what 4-5 years ago. I am sure George would have loved for Casey to graduate, get a job, and move the heck out. Life would have been so good for him. Cutting the grass, cleaning the house, watch cooking show and cook dinner, and have an occasional swim. But that didn't happen, and who's fault is it? Casey is the reason George had to get a job, if not for her he wouldn't have to work.Sure he Loved Caylee and Cindy did too, but it is not what either one wanted for Casey.


With all due respect Elley Mae,
I was just trying to say that a normal every day person such as myself would have called 911 upon smelling that stinch. I'm not or ever been in LE or a nurse. I would not have touched that car for the simple fear of what I may have found in the trunk. To drive it away and then do clean up on it, uh huh. It just defies my common sense I guess.

logicalgirl
12-21-2009, 06:25 PM
Thanks, cecy. In reference to them possibly thinking a drug dealer had been lying dead in the car.....there is, for me, the issue of George already going "there" in his mind, that Caylee was in the trunk--before he and SB opened the trunk, he already had wondered w/ dread if Caylee could have been in there. IMO, he really knew. Why he then went on in the course he and Cindy took, I'll never understand.

It seems to me when I read back over files - it was always George who was more aware of the kind of person Casey had become as she moved out of her teens, but Cindy would never admit it, and took Casey's side. I also think George suspected Casey may be capable of hurting Casey, but I don't think it occurred to Cindy, even after the smell in the car. I think Cindy was in cover-up mode re cleaning up the car because she thought Casey may be mixed up with the wrong crowd - but I just don't see her even having a conscious thought about connecting Caylee with it. Casey had been telling her for a month she was with someone - I just don't think that's where her first thought went. IMO of course. Way too busy with the perfect family in her head.

impatientredhead
12-21-2009, 06:52 PM
Rev, you bring up some good questions here.

IMO, Cindy didn't report the smell in the car until she had the "nanny took Caylee" story from Casey (third 911 call). Prior to that, it was about the car, theft...I believe Cindy had a good idea from the smell, and not seeing Caylee for a month, that there was a big problem, early on. She didn't want to tell LE about her real fears, she was protecting Casey. She was trying to control LE just like she likes to control everyone else, using the calls to make Casey talk.

The third 911 call where Cindy says "the car smells like a dead body", was only after she had a suspect to give LE, Zanny. She knew about the smell before 911 call number one, she chose not to mention it until the "baby sitter stole Caylee" story was available. All my opinion only.

I still cut Cindy some slack on the events of that night. While we now have them laid out, analyzed, dissected, etc... she was living them in the moment.

Without a doubt she knew something was very wrong when they found out about the car but I do not think she believed in that moment that Caylee was dead, let alone at Casey's hands.

I do believe she picked her up with the intent of forcing her to produce Caylee. Called the police with the intent of scaring Casey. And then when the nanny story came spilling out I think the third 911 call was made in a moment of pure panic and the comment about the smell came tumbling out as she processed all of the info.

I don't condone how she handled it before the calls, during the calls, or after... I just don't think she was in cover up mode at that moment. I don't think it had sunk into her how bad things were at that exact moment.

Upon realizing Caylee could not be produced Cindy did exactly what Casey did not do. Call the police in a sheer panic. Once the reality set in she went into cover for Casey mode full bore.

Searchfortruth
12-21-2009, 08:17 PM
I still cut Cindy some slack on the events of that night. While we now have them laid out, analyzed, dissected, etc... she was living them in the moment.

Without a doubt she knew something was very wrong when they found out about the car but I do not think she believed in that moment that Caylee was dead, let alone at Casey's hands.

I do believe she picked her up with the intent of forcing her to produce Caylee. Called the police with the intent of scaring Casey. And then when the nanny story came spilling out I think the third 911 call was made in a moment of pure panic and the comment about the smell came tumbling out as she processed all of the info.

I don't condone how she handled it before the calls, during the calls, or after... I just don't think she was in cover up mode at that moment. I don't think it had sunk into her how bad things were at that exact moment.

Upon realizing Caylee could not be produced Cindy did exactly what Casey did not do. Call the police in a sheer panic. Once the reality set in she went into cover for Casey mode full bore. Cindy told, more than one co-worker that day, about the terrible smell coming from Casey's car. I believe the co-workers told her she should call LE. Cindy told them that she was going to give Casey a chance to explain. They knew she had not heard from Caylee in a long time, and they put two and two together. Cindy knew Casey was all right, thus her comment about letting her explain. Where else could the dead body smell have come from, other than the Grand child she hadn't heard from in a month ? I just find it impossible to believe that she didn't know, somewhere in her mind, that Caylee could be dead.

impatientredhead
12-21-2009, 08:38 PM
Cindy told, more than one co-worker that day, about the terrible smell coming from Casey's car. I believe the co-workers told her she should call LE. Cindy told them that she was going to give Casey a chance to explain. They knew she had not heard from Caylee in a long time, and they put two and two together. Cindy knew Casey was all right, thus her comment about letting her explain. Where else could the dead body smell have come from, other than the Grand child she hadn't heard from in a month ? I just find it impossible to believe that she didn't know, somewhere in her mind, that Caylee could be dead.


I get that. I really do.

Having been through the real life experience of having a family member brutally killed at the hands of another I guess I have to cut her some slack for how surreal it is and how fast the reality you knew is changing from moment to moment.

In our situation most everyone knew immediately what had happened and who the attacker was. There were others though that were perfectly rational functioning adults who refused to acknowledge it. From the outside it appeared to be too enormous for them to absorb at one time, so they dealt with the reality that we had a murder victim while clingy irrationally to the idea that there was another explanation, and then later accepted the inevitable conclusion that their father/brother/friend for 30 years was not only capable of beating his wife to death but had actually done so.

A little irrationality is understandable under the circumstance. She may have known something was wrong but wanted Casey to provide an explanation that didn't involve Caylee being tied to it. She sounds like she is in a real moment of panic in the third call to me. (of course my mother was a severe borderline personality so Cindy's behavior doesn't seem unexplainable to me either). Thank gawd for therapy!

moo

okiedokietoo
12-21-2009, 10:49 PM
Rev, you bring up some good questions here.

IMO, Cindy didn't report the smell in the car until she had the "nanny took Caylee" story from Casey (third 911 call). Prior to that, it was about the car, theft...I believe Cindy had a good idea from the smell, and not seeing Caylee for a month, that there was a big problem, early on. She didn't want to tell LE about her real fears, she was protecting Casey. She was trying to control LE just like she likes to control everyone else, using the calls to make Casey talk.

The third 911 call where Cindy says "the car smells like a dead body", was only after she had a suspect to give LE, Zanny. She knew about the smell before 911 call number one, she chose not to mention it until the "baby sitter stole Caylee" story was available. All my opinion only.

(bolded by me)
Precisely - You explained it perfectly -

LetJusticePrevail
04-22-2010, 10:33 PM
I want you to test out your bionics on the 2nd 911 call. Sounds like KC doesn't want to talk to them...I'd like to figure out exactly what she says in the background right around 3:33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UodiwWf7fHw TY

What tape are we referring to. Hubby swears I have Bionic ears & I can hear it snow. Point me & tell me where to listen pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

ZsaZsa
04-22-2010, 10:44 PM
I wish we had an audio expert on the site, all I can make of it is that Casey is irritable that she is being asked to come to the phone- it sorta sounds like 'What do they want me for' but I have listened a lot and it doesn't get any clearer to my ears.

LancelotLink
04-22-2010, 10:56 PM
I want you to test out your bionics on the 2nd 911 call. Sounds like KC doesn't want to talk to them...I'd like to figure out exactly what she says in the background right around 3:33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UodiwWf7fHw TY

"I'll never get to talk to Tony." ?

Dells
04-22-2010, 11:06 PM
I want you to test out your bionics on the 2nd 911 call. Sounds like KC doesn't want to talk to them...I'd like to figure out exactly what she says in the background right around 3:33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UodiwWf7fHw TY

I listened to it and I couldn't tell what Casey was saying. I have heard other references to this particular phone call to 911 and people saying that Casey said 'why do they want to talk to me?' right as the phone is being handed to her. Could this be what Casey is saying? I couldn't make out anything Casey was saying until she actually got on the phone w/the operator, but I just wanted to pass along what I had heard.

LancelotLink
04-22-2010, 11:12 PM
Interesting that CA told dispatch she had not seen Caylee since June 7.

LancelotLink
04-22-2010, 11:16 PM
But, she and George were at the beach on that day.

cecybeans
04-22-2010, 11:21 PM
I wish we had an audio expert on the site, all I can make of it is that Casey is irritable that she is being asked to come to the phone- it sorta sounds like 'What do they want me for' but I have listened a lot and it doesn't get any clearer to my ears.

I always thought that was strange too. However, maybe since she had just told the newly minted Imaginanny story, she figured she had already passed the baton to the person who was really interested in finding Caylee - CA and that she just didn't need to bother repeating it for some silly dispatch person. After all, LE was on their way over to see them in person and CA could meet them at the door and explain she had just overreacted and it was no big deal really because all KC really needed was one more day...

BondJamesBond
04-22-2010, 11:48 PM
Continue 911 audio discussion here please

kbl8201
04-23-2010, 06:18 AM
3rd 911 Call placed
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/24/transcript_of_second_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.h tml

This is the transcript of the second 911 call from Cindy Anthony on July 15.
Dispatch: 911. What’s your emergency?
Cindy: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff ‘s (inaudible). My granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she’s been missing. I want someone here now.
Dispatch: OK, what is the address that you’re calling from?
Cindy: We’re talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.
Dispatch: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?
Cindy: That the babysitter took her a month ago. That my daughter’s been looking for. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can’t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she’s been trying to find her herself. There’s something wrong. I found my daughter’s car today, and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.
Dispatch: Ok what is the 3-year-old’s name?
Cindy: Caylee. C-A-Y-L-E-E Anthony.
Dispatch: Caylee Anthony?
Cindy: Yes.
Dispatch: OK, is she white, black or Hispanic?
Cindy: She’s white.
Dispatch: How long has she been missing for?
Cindy: I have not seen her since the 7th of June.
Dispatch: What is her date of birth?
Cindy: Um, 8, 9, um, oh god, she’s 3. 2005. So it’s Caylee missing? Caylee’s missing! Casey said Zani took her a month ago. She said that she found, um ….
Dispatch: OK, I understand. Can you just, can you calm down for me for just a minute? I need to know what’s going on, OK? I’m gonna try and …
Cindy: We’re so worried we can barely keep still. (sobbing)
Dispatch: Is your daughter there?
Cindy: (in the background) I’m on the phone with them.
Dispatch: Is your daughter there?
Cindy: Yes.
Dispatch: Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you.
Cindy: (in the background) I called them two hours ago, and they haven’t gotten here. Casey finally admitted that Zani took her a month ago. I have to try and find her.
Dispatch: Ma’am, Ma’am.
Cindy: (in the background) Casey. Here, it’s the sheriff’s department. They want to talk with you. Answer their questions.
Casey: Hello?
Dispatch: Hello.
Casey: Yes
Dispatch: Hi. What can you, can you tell me what’s doing on a little bit?
Casey: I’m sorry?
Dispatch: Can you tell me a little bit of what’s going on?
Casey: My daughter’s been missing for the last 31 days.
Dispatch: And you know who has her?
Casey: I know who has her. I’ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.
Dispatch: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?
Casey: Um, yes, my mom did.
Dispatch: OK, so there’s been a vehicle stolen too?
Casey: No, this was my vehicle.
Dispatch: What vehicle was stolen?
Casey: Um, it’s a ’98 Pontiac Sunfire.
Dispatch: OK, I have deputies on the way to you right now for that. But now your, now your 3-year-old daughter is missing? Caylee Anthony?
Casey: Yes. Caylee Marie Anthony.
Dispatch: White female.
Casey: Yes, white female.
Dispatch: 3 years old? 8/9/2005 her date of birth?
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: And you last saw her a month ago?
Casey: 31 days. Um, 31 days.
Dispatch: Who has her? Do you have a name?
Casey: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Dispatch: Who is that? The babysitter?
Casey: She’s been my nanny for about a year and a half, almost two years.
Dispatch: Why are you calling now? Why didn’t you call 31 days ago?
Casey: I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which is stupid.
Dispatch: OK, can you, can you give me the name of the nanny again? Like spell it out for me?
Casey: Zenaida Z-E-N-A-I-D-A
Dispatch: Last name?
Casey: Fernandez.
Dispatch: Fernandez?
Casey: Fernandez-Gonzalez. I think the officers are here.
Dispatch: The officers are there?
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: OK, hold on for a second. Don’t hang up with me yet. OK

what pissses me off more, the fact she cant remember the last time she saw caylee, or she cant even remember when she was born. :(

JBean
05-31-2011, 11:21 AM
Bump for relevance

Leomoon80
05-31-2011, 11:45 AM
I suppose what comes to my mind, is that Cindy seems to be using 911 as though it's a call that would intercede for her parenting skills with Casey. In otherwords, IF I had given or loaned my car to my daughter for years ......without any issues (payng for car insurance and occasionally knowing she runs out of gas, and knowing she even uses gasoline cans from my shed)........not really pleased that she's irresponsible this way, but yet taking the responsibiity myself for KNOWING "how my daughter is" ........but still letting her have this car for her use.

THEN, I call 911 - when my daughter won't do my bidding, and ask the operator to send a detective to sort it out rather then family court or a family intermediary ?

Seems to me, putting myself in her place, I'd have asked a lawyer or priest or a family counselor type of help before thinking of calling 911 if there is trouble communicating with an errant daughter. Remember too, she drove Casey to the Police Station, but they were already closed, so here she sits in a car with a daughter she wants the police to dictate to and be the substitute parent?

Why call the police to report her as having "stolen" the car I've been letting her drive all these years anyway?
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Makes no sense to me, other then the obvious, she knew in her heart that Casey put the child in danger but needed a 3rd party to intervene and get Casey to admit to this. HOWEVER, IF this is the case, then why did Cindy do a turn around, with a family support system afterwards for months suggesting Cayley's disappearance was Zanny the nanny and even others perhaps, unnamed who had Cayley?

Just seems rather strange all around, the parenting part. Giving more credance to Casey's assertions.

You get upset with your errant daughter, so you call the police on her?

I never did this, but perhaps you or others have? And believe me, I've been upset oftentimes with my children growing up, and even as adults.

carole
05-31-2011, 01:00 PM
I suppose what comes to my mind, is that Cindy seems to be using 911 as though it's a call that would intercede for her parenting skills with Casey. In otherwords, IF I had given or loaned my car to my daughter for years ......without any issues (payng for car insurance and occasionally knowing she runs out of gas, and knowing she even uses gasoline cans from my shed)........not really pleased that she's irresponsible this way, but yet taking the responsibiity myself for KNOWING "how my daughter is" ........but still letting her have this car for her use.

THEN, I call 911 - when my daughter won't do my bidding, and ask the operator to send a detective to sort it out rather then family court or a family intermediary ?

Seems to me, putting myself in her place, I'd have asked a lawyer or priest or a family counselor type of help before thinking of calling 911 if there is trouble communicating with an errant daughter. Remember too, she drove Casey to the Police Station, but they were already closed, so here she sits in a car with a daughter she wants the police to dictate to and be the substitute parent?

Why call the police to report her as having "stolen" the car I've been letting her drive all these years anyway?
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Makes no sense to me, other then the obvious, she knew in her heart that Casey put the child in danger but needed a 3rd party to intervene and get Casey to admit to this. HOWEVER, IF this is the case, then why did Cindy do a turn around, with a family support system afterwards for months suggesting Cayley's disappearance was Zanny the nanny and even others perhaps, unnamed who had Cayley?

Just seems rather strange all around, the parenting part. Giving more credance to Casey's assertions.

You get upset with your errant daughter, so you call the police on her?

I never did this, but perhaps you or others have? And believe me, I've been upset oftentimes with my children growing up, and even as adults.

I don't think Cindy was trying to parent Casey. I think she was trying desperately to force Casey into telling her where Caylee was.

Leomoon80
05-31-2011, 01:29 PM
I don't think Cindy was trying to parent Casey. I think she was trying desperately to force Casey into telling her where Caylee was.

There's no question she was definately trying to force her daughter into telling her....and was extremely frustrated by Casey's lies. Yet, I don't "get" why the Anthony family seemingly, through Cindy gathered forces around her to then hamper the investigation when they finally realized, the Zanny story would remain the "story" with Casey?

She had already told her mother the Zanny the nanny story all along.

Why then, have the Tee Shirts, the various functions for fund raising and pointing of the finger towards people outside the family or outside of Casey?

Why "pretend" to then believe every word that Casey uttered?

That's very inconsistent behavior exhibited by the parents imo.

I can then find some empathy in my heart for the daughter and her mental state.

Not blaming anyone here, other then the daughter for the death and the lies, yet we cannot say the family had been exhibiting consistency in their behaviors when the chips were down, what about the rest of the childhood?

Didn't this actually hamper the Police in their investigation being told to look elsewhere for the culprit?

My husband reminded me about our neighbor, a grandmother and grandfather who also conducted court room sessions in their home with police in and out all the time as the grandfather was a fill -in judge (his brother was the full time judge).......and I suppose a way to make money in his home.

Whenever they'd get upset with the granddaughter and she didn't tow the line, they'd then call the police to handle her.

Strange we thought then.

Their own daughter who abandoned this girl, they thought the world of and never said one bad word about her, only good. They adored her but the granddaughter the daughter left with her to raise, they had serious ongoing problems with, all about discipline.

Personally, we didn't see much wrong with the girl other then being abandoned by her mother, not seeing the father, extremely overweight (fat farms they sent her to once a year) and lonely.

TexasLori
05-31-2011, 06:37 PM
Today I listened to the calls again as they were played in court. I had forgotten the part where Cindy says, upon George coming into the room, that Caylee is missing and it is so desperate. So raw, and scary. I imagine she was beside herself at that moment. I imagine she was on the edge of the place she then kept herself from via denial for the next 2+ years.