HellHole in the News - SOLD

[Shylock]

For those who missed it elsewhere:

Home Of JonBenet Murder Sells For $1 Million
New Family Says Kids Were Bit 'Freaked Out' At First
The house in Boulder is under contract by Carol Milner, the daughter of "Hour of Power" televangelist Robert Schuller.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3317401/detail.html

What I find interesting about this is, had we taken a poll last month about what kind of person would be interested in purchasing the HellHole, most of us would have probably agreed the person would have to be on the "strange" and/or "bizarre" side. I think the "daughter of a televangelist" fits nicely into that catagory.

[Cherokee]

For those who missed it elsewhere:

Home Of JonBenet Murder Sells For $1 Million
New Family Says Kids Were Bit 'Freaked Out' At First
The house in Boulder is under contract by Carol Milner, the daughter of "Hour of Power" televangelist Robert Schuller.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3317401/detail.html


Thanks for posting this, Shylock.

I was in Boulder two months ago, and saw the Ramsey house for the first time. We talked to one of the CU students who was a renter. Apparently, there were several of them renting different rooms in the house. He said people came by all the time taking pictures.

What struck me (and has also been mentioned by other people) was how close the Ramsey house was to the other houses around it, including those across the street. I was also impressed with how ugly Patsy's stucco addition to the house really was in contrast to the original Tudor brick. Whoever said it looked like two different houses "stuck together" was right.

Perhaps Carol Milner likes the notoriety of the house ... after all, she's used to celebrity.

Originally, the friends who bought the house so the Ramseys could move "home" to Atlanta said were going to donate any profits above the purchase price to Colorado University. They got lots of nice PR with that statement seven years ago. I wonder if it's still true.


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[Nehemiah]

I agree Cherokee, about the house being so large for the lot and so very close to the street and alley. On TV and in pictures, it looked to be far away from the street, didn't it? I was there last fall but I couldn't tell if anyone were living there or not. Neat that you met an occupant. Wish I had been so lucky!

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[Tricia]

Cherokee you are right about how close the houses are. It's really strange. The front yard is so small. It's change alot since 1996. Let me see if I can post my picture of the hell hole.

Cherokee we must have talked to the same guy. He said at least 10 people a day come by to take pictures.

[Maikai]

Stucco additions are typical in the Boulder/Denver area, and because of land values they tend to maximize the lot. I agree it's pretty ugly....just like a lot of other homes done that way. However, Patsy didn't design the addition. It had been expanded twice before they bought it. The remodelling money was spent on he interior--it needed a lot of work, including removing an elevator the previous owners had installed.

The homes are close together, and the area has all kinds of people living there--everything from families to transients and college students. The alley is very dark and narrow....most of the homes are closed off from the alley with high fences and garages. Even the streetlights are pretty low level. Someone lurking around would not be obvious, and around Christmas a lot of people are gone......on vacation.

I think it's great that someone like Carol Milner bought the house---the pagans can make fun of her all you want, but if there is a God, he's sending a message.

[Ivy]

And just what would that message be, Maikai?

imo

[Cherokee]

I agree Cherokee, about the house being so large for the lot and so very close to the street and alley. On TV and in pictures, it looked to be far away from the street, didn't it? I was there last fall but I couldn't tell if anyone were living there or not. Neat that you met an occupant. Wish I had been so lucky!

Yes, Nehemiah, the TV shots and the still photos had given me the impression it was on a bigger lot and farther away from the street. Several people (such as yourself) had posted about how close the houses were, and how small the lot was, but I still wasn't prepared for the reality of it.

My friend and I were taking photos of the Ramsey house and yard from the back alley, when the garage door opened, and a young man in a red car pulled into the driveway. He was very nice, and when my friend asked if we could come in and see the house, he said he was sorry but he was running late for work. Later, another friend said we should have offered to pay him for a glimpse (and photos) inside the house. I wish I had thought of it at the time. :-)

If Carol Milner thinks the level of interest has died off, she's either sadly mistaken, or been mislead. In fact, with John Ramsey running for office, and with bogus stories about Helgoth and the partial DNA being run in the media, I imagine interest in all things Ramsey may increase for awhile.



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[Cherokee]

Cherokee you are right about how close the houses are. It's really strange. The front yard is so small. It's change alot since 1996. Let me see if I can post my picture of the hell hole.

Cherokee we must have talked to the same guy. He said at least 10 people a day come by to take pictures.

Thanks for trying to post the picture, Tricia, but it won't open for me. It says I don't have permission to access. I'm taking it personally. ;-)

[Britt]

I think it's great that someone like Carol Milner bought the house---the pagans can make fun of her all you want, but if there is a God, he's sending a message.
Okay, I'll bite. What the hellhole does this mean? Will I need my foil hat? :)

[Maikai]

The message is, good (God) will win over evil. The Ramseys are Christians....they were before the murder, and their faith is even stronger now. Carol Milner isn't just some run of the mill evangelist's daughter---she's the daughter of Robert Schuller---one of the most successful ministries around who has influenced a lot of people with his TV ministry--even nonreligious types, with his power of positive thinking and all that. The Milner family isn't afraid of the evil that went on in the house,when an intruder overnight turned the Ramsey family upside down---not to mention all the other lives & careers this crime touched. Carol Milner was quoted in an article as saying "God will meet us at the door" (or something like that)---they have the courage to transform that house into something good and happy---like before the murder.

[Shylock]

The message is, good (God) will win over evil. The Ramseys are Christians....they were before the murder, and their faith is even stronger now.
Yeah sure Maikai, such good Christians that John couldn't even recite a single scripture from the Bible when he was asked...TWICE no less, once by Lou Smit, and once by a televangelist.....DUH.

Carol Milner is either:
A) Smart enough to know the Ramseys are involved in JonBenet's death and her children have nothing to fear in that house.
B) Stupid enough to think an intruder did it and her kids are safe because the intruder will never return.
C) A moron who thinks "God" will protect her family under any circumstances.

[Maikai]

I hope you wear rubber-soled shoes during a lightening storm---I wouldn't want to call someone a moron that has the power of the Crystal Cathedral behind them. Her statement was "whatever happened in that house"....I don't think she has any ideas on that.

[Shylock]

I hope you wear rubber-soled shoes during a lightening storm---I wouldn't want to call someone a moron that has the power of the Crystal Cathedral behind them.
The "power of Crystal Cathedral"???
Yeah...LOL! I'll bet that's just as powerful as Jim Baker's PTL Club before he got caught dicking Jessica Hahn, and almost as powerful as Jimmy Swagert's ministry before he got caught in a motel with a hooker....hahaha.
Oh, and let's not forget Oral Roberts, who God told to lock himself in a tower and not come out until his TV congregation donated 4 million bucks. Now there's REAL Christian power!!!

But at least now it's quite obvious to me why you believe the Ramseys are innocent, Maikai....the Easter Bunny probably told you so.

[BrotherMoon]

The house in Boulder is under contract by Carol Milner, the daughter of "Hour of Power" televangelist Robert Schuller.


This is good, very good.

[Nehemiah]

I drove thru the alley several times. I was surprised that the house sat so close to the alleyway, too. Cherokee, I would have been braver if I had had a friend with me! I was alone and it was getting dark both days that I was there. I had a creepy kind of feeling even though I am not one to be easily spooked.

I expect that people will continue to drive by and look. Perhaps, though, if a family moves in and assumes normal life there, it won't look so sinister a place.

IMO

[VespaElf]

I never knew the house number was changed! Why would someone bother to do that?? You can't "hide" a house that big or infamous!!!!!!!!

[Shawna]

The Crystal Cathedral had an interesting story called " A Rich Fool". I wonder if Robert Schuller wrote about John Ramsey ?
What will Schuller's next message be? A rich fool who hides behind lawyers and loses his wealth? :D

http://www.hourofpower.org/booklets/bookletdetail.cfm?ArticleID=2626

[vicktor]

I never knew the house number was changed! Why would someone bother to do that?? You can't "hide" a house that big or infamous!!!!!!!!

Yeah, for anyone who has seen a picture of it, it is easy to locate. Must be symbolic, to give the new occupants a little distance.

[twilight]

So let's go down and play in the basement. You bring the pens, and I'll bring the paper...Ewwwwwwhhhhieeee!!

So, where was God when JB needed her? :cool:

[Shylock]

So, where was God when JB needed her? :cool:
Same place he has always been - in the minds of weak men...

[txsvicki]

Anyone with children would definitely be a moron to move into that house. Even if the Ramsey's are guilty, some nut could try something. Also, if God didn't strike down Jonbenet's murderer, why would he strike a poster who says something negative about the positive hour of power guy? Schuller is no more special to God than a wino on the street, and probably less due to his not really preaching the gospel of Jesus but his own ideas and raking in the money.

[BrotherMoon]

The more Charismatic Christianity gets attached to this case the better.

People may be more willing to look at the role Patsy's personal beliefs had to do with the crime if the subject of religion is brought up more often.

[BrotherMoon]

So, where was God when JB needed her? :cool:

A: Everywhere, everpresent, all knowing, all powerful, WATCHING.

"You and your family are under constant sc[r]utiny as well as the authorities."

The Eye of God is what that line in the note refers to. Patsy feared Divine Judgement.

[vicktor]

Anyone with children would definitely be a moron to move into that house. Even if the Ramsey's are guilty, some nut could try something.

About 10 years ago, a child was hit at the end of our block by a reckless driver. Made all the papers, a tragic case. Even today, its unbelieveable that people will cross that street, sometimes with cars around. Don't they know there could be an angry reckless driver out there just waiting to speed up and hit them?

[Shylock]

Don't they know there could be an angry reckless driver out there just waiting to speed up and hit them?
Are these "angry reckless drivers" driving by and throwing bondage Barbies out on your street? That might give them a clue...

[Love_Mama]

The "power of Crystal Cathedral"???
Yeah...LOL! I'll bet that's just as powerful as Jim Baker's PTL Club before he got caught dicking Jessica Hahn, and almost as powerful as Jimmy Swagert's ministry before he got caught in a motel with a hooker....hahaha.
Oh, and let's not forget Oral Roberts, who God told to lock himself in a tower and not come out until his TV congregation donated 4 million bucks. Now there's REAL Christian power!!!

But at least now it's quite obvious to me why you believe the Ramseys are innocent, Maikai....the Easter Bunny probably told you so.

Shylock.......you can't really compare Robert Schuller with Jim Baker or Oral Robert's OR Jimmy Swagert. . He's not anything like them. They are trying to sell GOD to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$ . Problem is God is not for sale, He's free....and Schuller know's that. Schuller is a very normal, honest and straight forward guy. Honestly!
Robert Schuller has a ministry........called the Crystal Cathedral.
I have one here in my house, with no name other than my address. If you're
hungry I'll feed you, if you're tired you can rest here, If you're cold I will find a blanket. By God's grace, not mine, I am blessed to be able to share what I have.

May God Bless you Shylock,
I mean that.

xxxxxxxxxxooooo
mama

[Shylock]

He's not anything like them. They are trying to sell GOD to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$ . Problem is God is not for sale, He's free....and Schuller know's that.
Oh pleeeeeeeze... I've seen Schuller on TV telling you where to send in your cash just like all the others. Ever see the house he lives in? If you think Schuller is Mr. Modest-the poor little servant of God, you really have the wool pulled over your eyes.

[Love_Mama]

Oh pleeeeeeeze... I've seen Schuller on TV telling you where to send in your cash just like all the others. Ever see the house he lives in? If you think Schuller is Mr. Modest-the poor little servant of God, you really have the wool pulled over your eyes.

Well Sherlock,I'm not Mr. Schuller. I don't charge anything.....I just let you know that there is really a God who I know as Jusus Christ. I dont' have photo's, I don't sell anything, so you don't have to worry where you send your money cause you don't even need to send it..... Me modest not! , the poor little servant of God, Not!


I'm a big mouth who forget's who take's care of me. I have to remind myself everyday that I don't run the world.

Oh Lord, let me be modest.. I never have been. I always' try to be the best........it just doesn't work all the time
I alway's........ all my life said to myself........Listen
Listen to people who you would never ever consider intelligent.. I'm listening to you.....
Give Jesus Christ you ear. He was quite a guy! He was happy, he was angry.
He loved and he despised. Just like human feelings. He can help you understand your anger........your joys...............just give him a try.....

xxxxxxxooo
mama

[Shylock]

Well Sherlock,I'm not Mr. Schuller. I don't charge anything.....
You're right, you're not Mr. Schuller. You're a fruitloop.

[BrotherMoon]

Give Jesus Christ you ear. He was quite a guy!

Almost all of the stories attributed to the Nazarene were also told of the Persian god Mithras, and they were told hundreds of years before the birth of the Galilean. Can you 'splain this Mama?

[Shylock]

Almost all of the stories attributed to the Nazarene were also told of the Persian god Mithras, and they were told hundreds of years before the birth of the Galilean. Can you 'splain this Mama?
Nazarene? You're getting ahead of yourself BrotherMoon, Nazareth didn't exist until the 5th century A.D.

[VespaElf]

Back to the topic at hand.............In the house the basement room where JBR was "found" has been sealed...........for some reason I find this quite creepy! I think if I were to live in a house where I knew a murder was committed having the room sealed would make it even more obvious as everytime I passed that "wall" Id know what was behind it(so to speak) whereas if I made it into a bigger room(by knocking down a wall) furnishing it as 'positively' as I could itd be easier to live with..............any thoughts?

[Maikai]

Sealing the wall....or opening it, doesn't really make much difference---superstition is a mindset. If you believe something it becomes realty. Logically, there's no reason to attribute anything creepy to house, even if a murder did take place there----and a notorious one at that. The family that bought the house has a different way of looking at things because of their faith--they might make changes in the basement---it probably isn't good to keep the room sealed off, because of the mold alone. Mold is a hot topic these days (warranted or not).

[BrotherMoon]

Nazarene? You're getting ahead of yourself BrotherMoon, Nazareth didn't exist until the 5th century A.D.

NAZARETH (Naz'a reth) [Branch-town]. a city in Lower Galilee where Jesus lived most of earthly life, along with his half brothers and half sisters.

NAZARENE (Naz a rene') [Greek text of Westcott and Hort uses the words Na zo rai'os, and Na za renos'; probably from Hebrew ne'tser, meaning sprout, shoot or branch, hence, figuratively offspring]. A descriptive epithet applied to Jesus (by himself and others) and later to his followers. - Aid to Bible understanding

Luke 1:26 In her sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent forth from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David's house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. - New World Translation

You were saying?

[VespaElf]

Sealing the wall....or opening it, doesn't really make much difference---superstition is a mindset. If you believe something it becomes realty. Logically, there's no reason to attribute anything creepy to house, even if a murder did take place there----and a notorious one at that. The family that bought the house has a different way of looking at things because of their faith--they might make changes in the basement---it probably isn't good to keep the room sealed off, because of the mold alone. Mold is a hot topic these days (warranted or not).


I dont think the house is creepy but the thought of a sealed off room is.
I also think it draws even more attention the room is all which is why I think whoever resides there would be better served to just "embrace" the room and make the best of it (I don't think JBR was actually murdered in the 'wine cellar' anyway.........I think it happened upstairs)

[why_nutt]

I dont think the house is creepy but the thought of a sealed off room is.
I also think it draws even more attention the room is all which is why I think whoever resides there would be better served to just "embrace" the room and make the best of it (I don't think JBR was actually murdered in the 'wine cellar' anyway.........I think it happened upstairs)

I think the sealing-off of the room speaks to the fact that what was on the floor was not "mold." If it was truly living mold which grew quickly, then the owners of the house must realize that they have created a situation in which toxic mold is growing unchecked and so quickly it can expand noticeably in just a few hours inside a room, creating a health hazard of truly dangerous proportions. With the room being sealed against cleaning efforts for at least a year, the "mold" must at least 12 inches deep by now.

(Shhhhhh...do not tell the Ramsey defenders we know that it was just saponification or concrete dust, that it does not grow quickly, and that inspectors would have allowed the room to be sealed off in such a case because there is no real damage being done by concrete dust.)

[solosamtheman]

I hope you wear rubber-soled shoes during a lightening storm---I wouldn't want to call someone a moron that has the power of the Crystal Cathedral behind them. Her statement was "whatever happened in that house"....I don't think she has any ideas on that.I have far more faith in the power of God than that of any cathederal. But I still must ask what you meant by "the power of the Crystal Cathedral". Are you suggesting that they have supernatural powers of their own or that God will smite anyone who dares to defame them in some slanderous way? I thought that was an interesting comment. Just curious thats all.

[solosamtheman]

(quote) So, where was God when JB needed her?....twilight (quote)Same place he has always been - in the minds of weak men...shylock....... Ya know, I should probably leave this one alone but I just cant resist. On the one hand you have a person making a comment from the angle of a person who has been very disappointed in the whole concept of God and on the other you have someone who is very happy to accomidate that disappointment. But lets entertain the idea of weak minded men who have God in their minds, like most if not all of our fore fathers whom many of made the ultimate sacrifice so the people like you would have the opputunity to come to a place like this and slander anyone or anything you like. Most of the current technology you enjoy in you home and life was invented by "weakminded men". In fact if not having God in your mind makes you strong minded, why are there no strong minded men doing anything constructive in our society today? I have never met a person who makes a comment like that, who is liked by very many people. But in the interest of fair play I would like to hear what you have to say about that. You see the interesting thing about it is that when you make a far reaching comment like that, you insult and anger a multitude of people all at once. Sort of like a shock jock. And most of the time that is exactly the intention. And oddly enough, these folks are usually fairly bright people. Except that they lack a certain frame of common sense.

[Love_Mama]

You're right, you're not Mr. Schuller. You're a fruitloop.

Thank you Shylock........and I come in all flavor's and colors. All you have to do is choose.........When was the last time you had someone listen to you and hear what you say......and really care.
That's the God I know and I'm not giving up on you yet! LOL
God Bless.........

xxxxxxxxo
mama :blowkiss:

[Maikai]

I have far more faith in the power of God than that of any cathederal. But I still must ask what you meant by "the power of the Crystal Cathedral". Are you suggesting that they have supernatural powers of their own or that God will smite anyone who dares to defame them in some slanderous way? I thought that was an interesting comment. Just curious thats all.

What I meant was, they have God on their side.....thus the reason they're not afraid to live in the house. They're not afraid of evil.

[Britt]

What I meant was, they have God on their side.....thus the reason they're not afraid to live in the house. They're not afraid of evil.
Whether God's on their side or not, they needn't worry about the house. Evil left and went to Charlevoix (by way of Atlanta). It's the Charlevoix folks who need to worry.

[Cherokee]

What I meant was, they have God on their side.....thus the reason they're not afraid to live in the house. They're not afraid of evil.

They have God on their side?

How do you know that? Claiming to be a Christian does not automatically make God "on your side." In fact, doing so is a gross misrepresentation of the nature of God. That sort of thinking puts man at the center with God as his assistant, and it is both egotistical and infantile.

Hitler believed God was on his side, and his Nazi soldiers had "Gott mitt uns" ("God is with us") engraved on their belt buckles.

Believing God is on your side does not make it so. To state He is on someone's side, and that they are therefore immune to evil, is the height of arrogance and akin to blasphemy.

Many people of God have been subjected to starvation, torture and other forms of suffering. There is no immunity from evil in this world.



IMO

[BrotherMoon]

There is no immunity from evil in this world.

Also, no immunity from God.

[KatzHome]

Wow ~ I didn't exect to see God trashed in this forum... I've been reading through the threads trying to learn about this case... Tonight I got through almost the first page of this rotten thread... didn't bother reading further ~ just not interested in coming back here anymore....

[BrotherMoon]

Wow ~ I didn't exect to see God trashed in this forum... I've been reading through the threads trying to learn about this case... Tonight I got through almost the first page of this rotten thread... didn't bother reading further ~ just not interested in coming back here anymore....

:chicken: .