4 yr. old dumped at truck stop, Mom dead at home

[TGIRecovered]

This one is strange. A 4 yr. old boy told strangers who found him that someone killed his mom, kidnapped him using Grandma's car, and dropped him at the truck stop.

Police found mom home, dead. Mom's car, which had been stolen two weeks before, was parked out front, apparently driven to the scene by the killer, who then fled with the child in the victim's mother's car.

Mother-in-law says her son, (victim's husband) worked three jobs so his wife could be home with the little boy. They have no idea who stole the wife's car, or why they would return the car, only to kill her before fleeing in a different car.

My opinion... the first stolen car was probably out of gas and was "hot". Fleeing in the other car gave the killer a safer getaway, since it had not yet been reported stolen. I don't think a stranger did this. A simple car theif would have quickly sold the first car for parts, or might have taken a joyride, then dumped it somewhere. What real theif would drive around for two weeks, then return the car? I'll bet there was no damage either.

Let's see, who might want the wife dead? Perhaps someone who also wanted the car back?...or someone who was told not to hurt the boy? Hmmm...now who might that be?

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/03/ddn010309homicideweb.html

http://www.whiotv.com/news/18403594/detail.html?rss=day&psp=news

[colette]

A four year old boy was alone in a rest area lobby in Ohio east bound 70. He told people that his mother was murdered. They found the body of the 29 year old mother shot in her home near Dayton, Ohio. The boy's father is not considered a suspect. They are on the look out for a car missing from the mother's home. ,,,,,,
"The car was a 2001 black, four-door Oldsmobile Alero with Ohio license plate number AJI-3VF.

Deputies said they were still trying to determine how the boy ended up at a rest stop in Madison County.

Names of the boy and his mother were not immediately released by investigators"

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/01/03/story_dayton.html?sid=102

[asher1979]

This is just down the road from me. How awful. This article makes it sound like it was an armed home invasion and the she died protecting her son. So sad.


http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/03/ddn010309homicideweb.html

[BeavisMom62]

OMG. How strange and horrible! I wonder how far away the rest stop is from their home? And how long that poor little boy was there before he was found?

[BeavisMom62]

There is another thread about this. Can they be merged? BTW, what a strange and awful story.

[colette]

The mother was shot multiple times. The boy said a "stranger" shot and robbed his mother. A white male was seen driving the car in question. The boy is with his father who they still say is not a suspect.

If the boy knows who shot mom, it seems he would say. This is a strange story. The killer did not want to kill the child. Could have been a friend of the mother's who the boy does not know. Or it could be a stalker rapist who finally got his victim but couldn't kill the boy.

.... I started a thread about this case but I am on a slow dialup with windows 98 since my laptop is on the blink, I didn't see your thread until after mine posted.

[Filly]

Could it be someone the woman met online? The guy stole two computers. Did he steal anything else?

If it was someone from the internet the child wouldn't know him. Perhaps the guy got mad if this woman told him to back off. He came and stole her car as an "I'll show you", and now he needs the computers so there's no evidence. Why steal a little child though? Kidnap the child and then leave him?

I just thought this may be the scenario as the grandmom was so specific how Jennifer quit her job to stay home with her son. The hubby worked two jobs. Maybe after tending to her son she was on the internet. I looked for a Myspace for this woman but didn't find one I'm sure is her. How very sad. Poor little boy. Somebody was mad. Almost like they're sending a message.

[MeoW333]

Why would someone kidnap the son? After robbing her and killing her, they kidnap the 4 year old boy? That doesn't make much sense. If he was to be held for ransom, then that points the finger to who the killer is. I'm sure LE at first thought it was something domestic related with the son being missing..
The only thing i can think of is that the killer kidnapped the boy to buy himself some time to make a better getaway. The killer didn't kill the boy; the boy knows his own address (probably knows enough to dial 911 too at the age of 4)..

[SuziQ]

After the murder, this guy kidnaps a four year old, drives 66 miles west to leave him at a rest area, then heads back east towards where he commited the crime and previously had stolen the car?

ETA: I had wrong info on where the family home was. The crime took place near Dayton, boy dropped off near Springfield, car stolen two weeks ago in Columbus.

[Kat]

What a horrible situation for a young child. This caught my eye...

Investigators said they are trying to determine if this was a stranger attack or something more domestic, and how did the child get all the way to Madison County.

Bolding by me. Interesting.

[mindi77]

I live in dayton and this is the first time I had heard about this. How sad!

[Filly]

The couple who found this little boy were on TV this morning. They're from Baltimore. Thank goodness for these folks. They said the lil guy knew not only his number and addy, but where his dad worked and even his grammy's first name. The lady is a pre-K teacher who helped him.

Also the paternal grandmom was on and gave some information that was pertinent.

The original car that was stolen the keys had been left in it and Jennifer's husband's wallet. So whoever took the car got the wallet. The car was not stolen from in front of their home as I assumed. So the thief had all the information from the husband's wallet. The family DID change the locks after the theft.

The little boy told the couple who helped him that a stranger man came into the house without knocking. Maybe Jennifer answered the door and he forced his way in? So this could be someone totally foreign to this family. Prayers for everyone involved in this horrific crime.

[colette]

Maybe the killer came back to rob the place with the keys he had, but the mom had the door unlocked and he just came in. Maybe mom yelled at him when he came in, that's how the boy knows he just walked in. Many people leave their house unlocked when they are home.
I saw on AMW there is a killer on the run in Ohio.
Home invasions are on the rise, we had 6 here in 3 weeks.

[colette]

The car was stolen just 2 weeks before Christmas from Columbus and Ohio University campus while the Nelson's were at a Duran Duran concert. The mother, Jennifer Nelson was shot once in the stomach and bled to death. They say the man forced his way in. Jennifer's mother is going online to help find her daughter's killer.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/04/ddn010409homicideweb.html

[oceanblueeyes]

This is such a puzzling case. It just seems that the perp is so bold. They steal her car and bring it right back to where she lives and takes another car and leaves her dead? It is as if he is mocking someone. That he was also able to steal this woman's car but come back and murder her too. But why take the little boy away from there only to let him go?

I would think this is much more about domestic violence yet the little boy seems very smart and certainly would know if he knew the person that took him and killed his mother. Unless this perp helped out a friend that indeed did know the mother and boy very well.

Just an odd case. I sure hope they catch him.

imoo

[colette]

I think it's probably someone desperate, maybe even living out of the cars and stealing to get by. He probably didn't want to kill anyone but after he killed the mother he left the boy somewhere so the boy could get help.

[Filly]

The couple who found the boy said this morning there was a maintenance man who ran the building where the little boy was found. Police are questioning him. Perhaps he'll recall seeing the car or the guy.

I wonder if they have videotape at those rest stops?

[SuziQ]

I hope this link from the today show works:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/28492712#28492712

[colette]

The boy, who will be 5 soon was playing with ninja action figures when the man broke in. The mother had the boy's clothes laid out as she was getting ready to give the boy a bath. The father was working at a nearby Krogers, one of his 3 jobs. The murder happened about 10pm.
The car stolen earlier had the house keys inside. I do that same thing and I am stopping that right now. This story is scary.
http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/04/momdead.ART_ART_01-04-09_B5_SECDT9N.html?sid=101

[SuziQ]

The boy, who will be 5 soon was playing with ninja action figures when the man broke in. The mother had the boy's clothes laid out as she was getting ready to give the boy a bath. The father was working at a nearby Krogers, one of his 3 jobs. The murder happened about 10pm.
The car stolen earlier had the house keys inside. I do that same thing and I am stopping that right now. This story is scary.
http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/04/momdead.ART_ART_01-04-09_B5_SECDT9N.html?sid=101

Thanks! At your link is a good map. Much better than the one I attempted to make last night:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/04/map.html

[SuziQ]

FWIW, the little boy was found at the rest stop at 9PM and his mother's body was discovered at 10PM.

[colette]

Thanks SuziQ, so the breakin might have taken place around 7 or 8pm.

I think the man who stole the car thought it would be easy to come back and steal, since he had the house keys. He might have been thinking about it from the first day, but waited until the family relaxed after the car theft.

I hope they have video from the rest area.

[Salsa]

I'm still curious about an online relationship. It's just too weird....and with the computers taken too it makes me wonder. How sad for that poor baby. What a smart/brave little boy to give all that info that he did.

[colette]

I think the computers were taken to sell or use for himself. From all that has been written about the mother, her family was her world.

[SuziQ]

The Alero has been found in Columbus. So it appears from everything we know, the perp most likely resides there.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/01/04/story_dayton.html?sid=102

A vehicle sought in connection with a Dayton-area slaying may have been found Sunday at a flea market on the city's west side, 10TV News reported.

[SuziQ]

http://www.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/vehicle_connected_to_womans_shooting_found/11418/

(snip)
Officials said they do not know who left the vehicle in the parking lot, but the area is monitored by surveillance cameras. Invesigators will examine the footage to attempt to identify the driver.

[SieSie]

http://www.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/vehicle_connected_to_womans_shooting_found/11418/

(snip)
Officials said they do not know who left the vehicle in the parking lot, but the area is monitored by surveillance cameras. Invesigators will examine the footage to attempt to identify the driver.
This is good news! :clap: Let's hope they have some good shots of the perp!!

[colette]

In the above article it says the child describes the man as a "skinny white" male.
Makes me think crackhead or meth user.

[SuziQ]

In the above article it says the child describes the man as a "skinny white" male.
Makes me think crackhead or meth user.

ITA. I wonder if the boy has a description of his teeth...if he had any. I think he upped his game recently, but I have a feeling this is someone LE has a history with. Petty crimes, property theft, etc.

[SuziQ]

A question I have is, why would someone break into a house on a Friday evening, when people are usually home? Did he realize that Jennifer and her son were almost always home and just went for it? Or he's so tweaked out he didn't care?

[MeoW333]

Can they check surveillance cameras that may have captured the car and killer driving it? They have a timeline of before the car was found.

[colette]

This guy may have sold stolen goods at that flea market before. A good place to start asking around about a skinny white guy selling computers and watches; things that can be taken quickly from a home and sold. I think desperation drove him to that home. I think they will find him soon.

[CocoPie]

This story is odd to me... one would think after stealing a car, the last thing you'd want to do is go back to the victim's home with it. How would they know the car wouldn't have been spotted by the victims or a neighbor? As a criminal, it seems like taking an unnecessary risk of apprehension after being "in the clear" for 3 weeks. Weird.

I understand if it was someone strung out on drugs and not thinking clearly I guess. But it just sounds like such a dumb move.

[SuziQ]

This guy may have sold stolen goods at that flea market before. A good place to start asking around about a skinny white guy selling computers and watches; things that can be taken quickly from a home and sold. I think desperation drove him to that home. I think they will find him soon.

Ah yes, good catch!

[colette]

"COLUMBUS, Ohio — Three men are being questioned in connection to the murder of a Dayton-area mother.

Federal Authorities took the men from a home on McMillen Avenue Sunday night after obtaining a search warrant."
....sounds like they are on the trail.




http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/01/04/~story_dayton.html?sid=102

[mysteriew]

I just heard about this one tonight. It seems very odd to me too.

Car stolen in one city, returned to another city where the owner was killed and a second car was stolen, boy stolen then dumped in another city, and the 2nd stolen car was found in the original city where the first car was stolen.

Most people keep things in their car that will identify them. Old mail, car insurance info, car registration etc. So the fact that the unsub knew where the home was is not that surprising. The fact that the keys were in the first car is surprising however. Who goes to a concert and leaves their keys in their car? That reminds me of a guy I used to know who wanted to get out of his car payments- he left his keys in his car in the city and of course it disappeared. But the hubbys wallet in the car too points away from that.

After the murder the unsub puts the child in a stolen car and takes off with him. Really weird, because what are the chances are that the husband or someone might come to the home and find the wife dead and the child and car missing. The possibility of an Amber Alert as well as a stolen car alert was high. Most unsubs would either leave the child there and threaten him to silence or would kill him too.

Dumping the kid in another city might have worked to lead LE to another city to look for him, but finding the stolen car back in Columbus leads police right back there.

I too feel this has some type of feel that perhaps someone knew the unsub, somehow. But really I don't know how.

I wonder if anything else was stolen and I also wonder if this family was financially stable, did she have life insurance on her?

[colette]

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Police searched a north side apartment Sunday night and questioned three men in connection with the slaying of a Dayton-area mother. The three men were discovered inside an apartment on McMillen Avenue just south of the Ohio State University campus, 10TV's Kevin Landers reported......

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/01/05/dayton_woman.html?sid=102

[LaLaw2000]

Could it be someone the woman met online? The guy stole two computers. Did he steal anything else?

If it was someone from the internet the child wouldn't know him. Perhaps the guy got mad if this woman told him to back off. He came and stole her car as an "I'll show you", and now he needs the computers so there's no evidence. Why steal a little child though? Kidnap the child and then leave him?

I just thought this may be the scenario as the grandmom was so specific how Jennifer quit her job to stay home with her son. The hubby worked two jobs. Maybe after tending to her son she was on the internet. I looked for a Myspace for this woman but didn't find one I'm sure is her. How very sad. Poor little boy. Somebody was mad. Almost like they're sending a message.

I was thinking it may be someone she met online as well. This is so tragic.

[Filly]

I was thinking it may be someone she met online as well. This is so tragic.

Law, that was my first thought because they stole the computers. I was thinking any addict who decided to steal a car, and then go back and burglarize a home would more likely grab video games, VCR's, and DVD's and that sort of thing. Then again people are bonkers in this world so anything is possible.

Good lookout on the flea market Colette.

News conference at 10:00AM today is supposed to be happening.

[Larkin]

This story just doesn't hold together for me. Dayton media are reporting it at face value, but when you look at a basic breakdown of fact, something is hinky here.

Car is stolen at a concert two weeks before Christmas, containing husband's keys-- wallet is unconfirmed-- personal items is what is generally being reported.

Three weeks later, car thief returns to neighborhood 60 miles away, breaks in and kills mother (who is shot multiple times) and kidnaps child, who is certainly old enough to identify him and leaves the boy at a rest stop on I-70 (after riding together for an hour.) Perp leaves the original stolen car near the scene and steals the grandmother's car. All while husband is (conveniently?) at work.

Stolen computers could point to an online relationship, or possibly to searches for murder by hire, or communication about the same. Or it could just be a red herring. I just don't buy this. It's a huge leap from car theft to murder and kidnapping. And why wasn't the child killed too? Why wasn't the child simply left behind at the scene.

I can see that crackheads / meth addicts have unpredictable and often violent behavior, but really, do they have the concentration and attention span to commit a crime like this; not to mention keeping a "hot" car hidden for nearly a month?

Something is rotten in Denmark.

[STEADFAST]

MSNBC says LE is holding a news conference within the hour.

[SuziQ]

MSNBC says LE is holding a news conference within the hour.

Thanks! Keep us posted. It should have started right now, but I'm thinking maybe the questioning of the three suspects delayed things. I'm not seeing a live link yet.

[STEADFAST]

20 yo Columbus, OH, resident has been arrested. News conference still to come.

[Kat]

Thank you Steadfast! Please post links? My Husband is very interested in this case. I want to share with him the details. Did that poor child witness his mother's death?

[anneinchicago]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509homicideweb.html?cxntlid=inform_sr

Authorities have arrested a 21-year-old man from Columbus in connection with the slaying of a Harrison Twp. woman whose 4-year-old son was abandoned by the attacker at a rest area.

More on the Mom, Jennifer, and the little boy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28503582/

Daddy sounds like a good man. (Crossing fingers he isn't responsible)

Nelson has taken Will to stay with relatives.“My focus is [on] doing everything I can to bring a little bit of home,” he told Vieira. “I’m not going to make him go back to the house ever again. Right now I’m just trying not to really even bring it up. We’re going to go to see counselors. We’re going to take advice from them and just try to keep moving forward.”


And they changed the locks after the keys and wallet were stolen.

[Kat]

So the baby boy said a man came into the house. The Msnbc article says "The person who shot Jenny Nelson broke into the house". Of course, the baby boy wouldn't know how the man came in, just that he was he came in and shot and killed his Mommy. Wonder if that sentence is accurate reporting?

I hope this Daddy gets help from a counseler for this child. He's going to need it.

[Larkin]

Here is Jenny's MySpace profile . . . http://snipurl.com/9hlq1
It is set to private, but her status "Jenny Um, my arch-enemy quit. So lately I get every Tom, Dick, and Skeletor out to make a name for himself knocking on my door." is kind of strange. How weirdly ironic that she thought Alec Baldwin(!) embodied the ugliness of human nature... how sadly naive. She last logged on Dec 31, 2008. She has a Facebook profile as well, it's a private, but here is a list of her (6) friends: http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=1028237332 Some of the friends (and her sister's) profiles are public. Apparently they enjoyed playing an online game -- Kidnap.

[STEADFAST]

Here is Jenny's MySpace profile . . . http://snipurl.com/9hlq1
It is set to private, but her status "Jenny Um, my arch-enemy quit. So lately I get every Tom, Dick, and Skeletor out to make a name for himself knocking on my door." is kind of strange.

That quote is from The Venture Brothers animated series' episode The Doctor is Sin.
http://www.venturebroswiki.com/vbwiki/The_Doctor_Is_Sin/Quotes

I don't know anything about this show.

[Larkin]

And here is Eddie Nelson's MySpace page . . . http://snipurl.com/9hmpm

Including this blog entry about the theft of the car. The newspaper (apparently mistakenly) said they went to a Duran Duran concert:

"So last night me and my wife went to see the eagles of death-metal. The show was amazing they are a great band. So at around midnight we go back to where the car was and it not there.Maybe we parked on a different level, after walking the garage three times we decide to call the police. My wallet and all credit cards are in the car the only thing I have is 70 bucks my ID half pack of cigarette's, and phone. My wife who has lots of people in Columbus that we could have stayed with left her phone in the stolen car.No phone numbers. So after calling the police and standing in the cold for two hours with no coats the cop gives a ride to a red roof in. thank god for the wonderful attendant that worked out a discount to take the room from 75 dollars before tax to 65 after tax. so I still have 5 bucks so after spending the night in Columbus someone has to drive from Dayton to Columbus to pick us up.(thanks Jenny's mom)So now I am in Dayton minus a car coat wallet waiting for the Columbus police to call to say they have the car.Grrrrrr this is just a huge headache I would love to do some pretty brutal **** to the people responsible. Thanks a lot for ****ing up the memory of a great show you ****ING ASSHOLE!!!!!"

Interesting that she thought Alec Baldwin "embodied the ugliness of human nature," yet he was a fan of death metal, Marilyn Manson and the film Sweeney Todd.

His last log in was January 4 (why do all these people get on their MySpace pages when their world is collapsing) in which he notes his frame of mind as "distraught."

[STEADFAST]

The suspect fits the description of the man the boy described. Charlie W. Meyers (sp?), 22, has some priors -- property crimes. No connection to Montgomery County.
There was a struggle.

[Kat]

When you see Alec Baldwin, you will see the true ugliness of human nature.
Puppet Kim Jong Il


This appears it may be a quote for the movie: Team America: World Police (2004)

[Kat]

The Venture Brothers:The Venture Bros. (alternatively The Venture Brothers) is an American animated television series airing as part of Adult Swim on Cartoon Network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venture_Bros.

"Team America: World Police is a 2004 comedy film, written by Trey Parker, Matt Stone, and Pam Brady and directed by Trey Parker, who are also known for the popular animated series South Park. The film is a parody of big-budget action films and their associated clichés and stereotypes, the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the resulting war, with particular humorous emphasis on the global implications of American politics." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America_World_Police

It appears she is just referencing her current choice of humor?

[KR2tonenow]

Great Myspace find above. This perp should be found soon, they just found the car.
This is the reason why parents with small children really need to inform them and make sure they know pertinent information. This 4 yr old is profoundly astute. Most toddlers are and give important information verbatim.

[Kat]

"Charlie W. Myers, 22, of Columbus was arrested and taken into custody, Montgomery County Sheriff Phil Plummer said."

I found a myspace page that matches this name and the town of Columbus but I don't know if I am allowed to post or not?

[Larkin]

Kat, MySpace is a public forum, so the information there is not protected. I searched every possible configuration of Charlie Myers using a state filter (Ohio) and could not come up with a page, so I'm anxious to see what you found.

[Larkin]

Sorry, duplicate post.

[Enchanting_eyes]

That poor little guy.. I'm so happy that he has a loving family and the person who might have done this was caught.

E*E

[Larkin]

Here's the mug shot for Charlie Myers. He has apparently confessed to "involvement" in the murder according to an AP story of 45 minutes ago.
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/02/73/44/image_8144732.jpg

[Kat]

Here are the myspace pages that I found for a Charlie Myers of Columbus, not much there, but even though the ages are listed as 22 and 25 it appears to be the same young man in both pages.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=437659120

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=431961393

[Kat]

The mug shot and the pictures on those pages look like the same young man to me. I could be wrong though Larkin.

[STEADFAST]

Investigators believe a Columbus man shot and killed Jenny Nelson inside her Harrison Twp. home on Friday after she broke free from restraints and stabbed him in the back with a knife.
http://www.middletownjournal.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509homicideweb.html

[Kat]

Found another one!

Has a lot more info, want to share before I go and look...last log in Jan 03, 2009.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=249434241

[Kat]

This young lady tagged him in a photo as her "brother" twice.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=255345750

I glanced briefly and saw nothing of interest, but wanted to post it for others that are far more skilled than I am at determining what is important and what is not.

[Kat]

A search of one of his myspace url nicknames (love_betty_jo) shows a webpage for vampirefreaks.com

http://vampirefreaks.com/charles20743204

That's the same young man.

[Larkin]

Here's a photo http://snipurl.com/9hrkz from the most recent MySpace page, from an album called "The Crazy Day." He seemed to be having some issues on the day of the car theft, and noted his mood on January 3 as "crazy." He is apparently deaf, or has significant hearing loss. Thanks for posting the pages Kat!

[KR2tonenow]

Reported from MSNBC:

Man arrested in Ohio mom’s murder, son’s abduction

4-year-old ‘still terrified’ after being found abandoned at highway rest stop

Jan. 5: A 4-year-old boy was found abandoned at an Ohio rest stop after his mother was murdered.
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/090105/tdy_vieira_boy_090105.300w.jpg (http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/090105/tdy_vieira_boy_090105.300w.jpg)
Boy led police to murder scene (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:vPlayer('28503358','9c3b4c12-e156-4d42-bdea-b64f8d7ac7c2'))

[Kat]

Law-enforcement officers searched for evidence at 70 McMillen Ave. last night.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/index.html

[GannyP]

Kat, in your #68 post there was another MySpace entry for him. When I looked at the friends, there was a picture of the little boy! It was from "The Jenkens Family". I don't know when it was added, but they might have known each other.

[annemc2]

Steve's got a nice, comprehensive post up:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/

(sorry if already linked - I just read the most recent WS page)

[Kat]

I searched the address that was listed in my post #73 on reverse white pages. The address comes up with 4 people that either have or have had that address. 2 males, 2 females, the man arrested does not show at that address. I won't post it here because I do not know if those people are still living there?

[believe09]

I am with those who are feeling very odd about the Dad....

[Kat]

Durn! Dad made his myspace private and I can't cross reference friends...that's what I get for being a nosey:butthead:

[Larkin]

Yeah, I just noticed that Dad made his MySpace profile private. There is a way to get the cached page off google, but since I snipped the URL I'm not sure I can figure out how to do it. I did send it to the Dayton Daily News reporter that's covering the story along with the excerpted text.

[Larkin]

Okay, here's how you do it, but I don't know how to save it and I don't know how long it will last . . . Google www.myspace.com/126566084 and then when the link comes up in the search results clicked on CACHED. Check out the lyrics on the two songs on the page: Slow Down Ghandi by Sage Francis and ***** Went Nuts by Ben Folds. We haven't heard the end of this story with the arrest of Charlie Myers. Here's something else to contemplate. Young Will described the attacker as "tall and skinny" and Charlie Myers does not appear particularly tall or thin, especially when you consider that the toddler's window of reference would include his father, who is 6'5" and beanpole thin.

[colomom]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509homicideweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16

Lots of detail in this article including:

"Investigators believe a Columbus man shot and killed Jenny Nelson inside her Harrison Twp. home on Friday after she broke free from restraints and stabbed him in the back with a knife."

"Myers stole two computers and a cell phone from Nelson's home before he left. Investigators have recovered one of the computers and are using it to try to determine whether Nelson and Myers knew each other."

Sounds like a robbery to me...

[colomom]

Another mugshot:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/Myers.png

Wonder when this one was taken??

[Kat]

That worked Larkin! I have his cached page open, let's see what we can find. :)

[SuziQ]

Kat, in your #68 post there was another MySpace entry for him. When I looked at the friends, there was a picture of the little boy! It was from "The Jenkens Family". I don't know when it was added, but they might have known each other.

Is that Jennifer or her husband myspace that shows up under friends?

[Kat]

That worked Larkin! I have his cached page open, let's see what we can find. :)

Here is the disclaimer though: This is Google's cache of http://www.myspace.com/126566084. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Nov 14, 2008 15:47:13 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more

[Larkin]

duplicate post again, sorry.

[Larkin]

In this same DDN article it notes that Myers has a couple of convictions as a juvenile. Long quiet period before engaging in grand theft auto, b&e, armed robbery, kidnapping. In photo after photo of the MySpace pages are Charlie Myers playing with his dogs. He is neither tall, nor thin . . . the two descriptors the child gave. If LE is looking at the computers to see if Nelson (Ed or Jenny?) and Myers knew each other, then we're not the only ones who think that some pieces of the puzzle are missing. I'm not saying he wasn't involved (as he has, in fact, confessed) but something else is afoot here.

[newsjunkie]

Kat, in your #68 post there was another MySpace entry for him. When I looked at the friends, there was a picture of the little boy! It was from "The Jenkens Family". I don't know when it was added, but they might have known each other.

Has there been footage of the little boy on tv? I haven't seen any photos of the boy. How do you know it is him? TIA! :)

[Kat]

Hi Granny P I saw that picture too in the friends list. I was unable to click on it before I closed the page to look at something else and when I went back the Dad had made his page private.

Yes, newsjunkie on one of the links earlier in this thread there was a picture of the little boy. I don't remember which one.

The picture of the little boy in the news article and the picture of the little boy that Granny P saw are two different boys. The one in the myspace friends list looked to be about at least a yr. older by my estimates. It's not on the cached page of Dad's Myspace that I have.

[gooniequeen]

Has there been footage of the little boy on tv? I haven't seen any photos of the boy. How do you know it is him? TIA! :)

They had pictures of him on the TODAY show this moring, he's darling.

[Salsa]

Has there been footage of the little boy on tv? I haven't seen any photos of the boy. How do you know it is him? TIA! :)

The little boy is a cutie...pics been on the news. That's not the same boy IMO on the Jenkins page. (I think that was the name) OH it's still up on perps page..if this is the one that was being referred to.

[believe09]

They had pictures of him on the TODAY show this moring, he's darling.


O/T Who makes a decision like that? I mean this is not a story about him calling 911 or rescuing a kitten-this is a story of him witnessing his mother's brutal struggle and murder-so someone is going to release his picture on national TV? Head shakin....JMO.

[gooniequeen]

O/T Who makes a decision like that? I mean this is not a story about him calling 911 or rescuing a kitten-this is a story of him witnessing his mother's brutal struggle and murder-so someone is going to release his picture on national TV? Head shakin....JMO.

I didn't think about it but I guess you're right. The fact that they even released the family's name along with the picture is a bit frightening after they talked about how the boy remembered everything.

You'd think they would have at the very least waited until an arrest was mad.

I did find it interesting that dad kind of rambled on during the interview - like a nervous ramble.

[colomom]

The Jenkins Family myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=56984021 with picture of boy who looks similar to William.

Pictures of William here: http://news.aol.com/article/man-arrested-in-ohio-moms-slaying/292785

Close, but I am not sure...seems "thankful" would be a strange mood if it was him. I agree Kat, he looks older...

ETA: The Jenkins family is shown as a "friend" on Myers' page here: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=249434241

[gooniequeen]

That is 100% the boy I saw ont he TODAY show this morning.

My guess is that dad signed in (or someone in the family) to make the page private and never changed perhaps how it had been set prior ot the murder. hense the thankful mood.

[gooniequeen]

so they did know eachother.....wow.

neve rmind I'm losing my marbles. Different last name. However that boy looks 100% like William Nelson.

[Salsa]

Those 2 kids don't look alike at all to me. I feel so bad for that poor baby :(

[STEADFAST]

Those 2 kids don't look alike at all to me. I feel so bad for that poor baby :(

They don't look alike and they have completely different names. It's amazing how this kind of mistake snowballs!
(It's happened to me before, too, GQ :))

[gooniequeen]

Now I'm going nuts looking for a picture of the Nelson boy - I cant find it on the today show page. anyone?

it's truly amazing that at only 39 my mind is failing me already :)

[colomom]

Something to consider though...

Since the Jenkins Family and that little boy are listed as "friends" of Myers then I would assume that he knows them, right?

So, maybe Myers would have hurt William except for the fact that he looked so much like his "friend's" child?? It is rather weird to drive an hour just to dump him at a truck stop....

But, then again, the killing of Jenny Nelson seems to have been a knee-jerk over-reaction to her having stabbed him so maybe he was going to hurt William and just changed his mind or chickened out?

[gooniequeen]

gooniequeen....aren't my pics of William showing up? Post #88

yep, they are. I never clicked the links. duh.

I should just pack it in today since my brain isn't fuctioning properly :crazy:

You guys are right, not the same kid. i hope i never have to pick someone out in a lineup. surely the wrong person would be convicted.

[KivaSupporter]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28503582

Police in Ohio have arrested a 22-year-old man in connection with the death of a Dayton mother and the kidnapping of her 4-year-old son, who was later abandoned at a highway rest stop.

Montgomery County Sheriff Phil Plummer identified the suspect as Charlie W. Myers of Harrison Township, Ohio. Plummer said the man confessed to involvement with the case and is being held in connection with an aggravated murder. Formal charges have not been filed.

Jenny Nelson, 29, was shot by an intruder last Friday in her Dayton home as she was getting her son, Will, ready for bed. The boy, who will turn 5 on Saturday, was kidnapped and later abandoned at a rest stop on I-70 outside of Columbus.Plummer said the young boy’s ability to tell police where he lived and to describe his mother’s attacker helped lead to the rapid arrest of Myers.

“He did a good job,” the sheriff said of Will Nelson. “He gave us a pretty good description of him: white male, height. He knew it was a stranger. He’s a very sharp young man.”

Plummer said that Myers has a criminal record that includes an arrest as a juvenile for aggravated arson. “He has a couple of misdemeanor property crimes,” Plummer said, adding that Myers had also been arrested on charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

“This is a bizarre case. This is probably the worst I’ve seen,” Plummer told reporters in describing the crime.

Earlier on Monday, Jenny Nelson’s husband, Eddie, and her sister, Amber Stillings, had spoken exclusively with TODAY’s Meredith Vieira about the shooting and kidnapping.

Nelson said his son is traumatized by what he saw and is not talking much about it.

“He’s not really spoken much about it at all. He’s still terrified,” the boy’s father, Eddie Nelson, said Monday. “I don’t know if he quite fully understands what’s going on, or he’s just not talking about it. He’s just in total shock right now.”

Three men questioned
Nelson, who was joined by his wife’s sister, Amber Stillings, spoke exclusively via satellite with TODAY’s Meredith Vieira three days after his wife, Jennifer, was murdered. The killer stole two computers and other items before kidnapping William and driving some 70 miles to the outskirts of Columbus, where he abandoned the boy at a rest stop on I-70.

On Sunday, police recovered a car belonging to Nelson’s mother that they believe was stolen by the intruder after the break-in and murder. The FBI said it was questioning three men in connection with the killing. The men were taken into custody Sunday evening at a house near the Ohio State University campus.

On Monday, an Ohio sheriff announced the arrest of Myers.

“As a mom, she was the best mom I could ever imagine for any child,” Stillings said of her sister Jennifer, who was 29. “She not only took care of William; she was with him 24 hours a day, seven days a week. She also took care of my other sister’s three children three days a week. She worked with Willie. He just loved her to death. I loved her to death.”

Eddie Nelson worked three jobs to allow his wife to stay home with their son, who will turn 5 on Saturday. He was at work Sunday when the break-in and murder occurred.

‘A bad man shot my mommy’
William was found at the rest stop by Mike and Judith McConnell, who were driving home to Maryland from a holiday trip out west when they pulled into the rest stop and noticed the little boy staring out the window. He was obviously alone and dressed in a sweat shirt and sweat pants and wearing socks but no shoes.

A teacher, Judith McConnell engaged him in conversation and soon learned what had happened. The McConnells called 911, and the boy told police, “A bad man came into my house without knocking and shot my mommy.”

[Kat]

I just wanted to check in and say I spent the morning looking for an internet presence for E. Nelson and I haven't seen any other than the myspace.

The victims sister who did the interview has a myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=179548463

[Larkin]

Just to clarify, the child was left at a rest stop on I-70, not a truck stop. He wasn't there long before a middle-aged woman ( a teacher, no less ) thought something was odd about him being there alone and investigated. I thought I saw that the couple from Maryland stopped about 8:30 p.m. LE thinks the crime happened about 7 p.m., Harrison township is on the NW side of Dayton, and the rest stop is near Springfield (30-40 minutes away). So he might have been there an hour. Local media btw seem to be catching on that something is not right with Dad's tale.

[Larkin]

Hey Kat,
The sisters MySpace profile puts her in Dublin, OH which is a suburb of Columbus. I know that in his rant about the stolen car that Eddie Nelson said that Jenny "had people" in the Columbus area they could have stayed with, but that she didn't have their numbers because her cell phone was stolen too. She didn't know her own sister's telephone number? She didn't know her Mom's number, so she could call and get her sister's number? I'm sure the police (who gave them a ride to the Red Roof Inn purportedly) would have allowed her to make a call or two?

[Filly]

This young lady tagged him in a photo as her "brother" twice.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=255345750

I glanced briefly and saw nothing of interest, but wanted to post it for others that are far more skilled than I am at determining what is important and what is not.

Kat, you ARE skilled. You did a great job. I had a chance to go through all the pic comments and Tasha Toxic is his little sister. So says him and her anyway.

Does anyone know ASL? I know the kids flash "gang signs" but in several pics this creep is flashing what is in ASL a "K" and an "L". Also I wonder if he's deaf oral? The little boy, Will may have noticed if the guy spoke oddly to him. From comments and stuff it looks like he kept in touch with people from the Deaf Community. Not that has a da*n thing to do with murdering a defenseless woman and abducting a child, and just ditching him.

Man that mugshot with the busted eye is priceless. They ought to beat his head like his eyeball. God forbid watch his defense be something about being deaf. All the decent, law abiding citizens in the Deaf Community will then have to deal with that.

[Larkin]

Kat, though Jenny is listed as a friend, Mr. 3 Jobs is not. Jenny hasn't posted on Greeneyedcountrygirl's MySpace in months (if at all, I didn't see a post) and "Greeneyed" is not a Facebook friend of Jenny's. I'm sure when this stuff happens in your family, you feel strongly about it, but it doesn't appear that these cousins were close.

In other news, the Montgomery County Sheriff (not the brightest bulb in the pack) noted that Myers showed "little remorse" but is cooperating fully in the investigation. LE still can't figure out why he took the computers and cell phone but left other valuables behind, and state Myers has no connections with Montgomery County. (Except of course, the mysterious Jenkins family.) Here's the link: http://snipurl.com/9i4u7

[colomom]

~snip
Man that mugshot with the busted eye is priceless. They ought to beat his head like his eyeball. God forbid watch his defense be something about being deaf. All the decent, law abiding citizens in the Deaf Community will then have to deal with that.

Hi Filly!

Do you think that is an old mugshot Filly? I think it was taken shortly after the first one shown. Same hair, same shirt, same mass of zits under lip....

I think another prisoner popped him one. Wonder why they would take a second mugshot?

ETA: checked Larkin's link above and found my answer...."Myers appeared in a Franklin County courtroom Monday afternoon, Jan. 5, for an extradition hearing with a swollen right eye and cheek."

[Kat]

Kat, though Jenny is listed as a friend, Mr. 3 Jobs is not. Jenny hasn't posted on Greeneyedcountrygirl's MySpace in months (if at all, I didn't see a post) and "Greeneyed" is not a Facebook friend of Jenny's. I'm sure when this stuff happens in your family, you feel strongly about it, but it doesn't appear that these cousins were close.

In other news, the Montgomery County Sheriff (not the brightest bulb in the pack) noted that Myers showed "little remorse" but is cooperating fully in the investigation. LE still can't figure out why he took the computers and cell phone but left other valuables behind, and state Myers has no connections with Montgomery County. (Except of course, the mysterious Jenkins family.) Here's the link: http://snipurl.com/9i4u7

I'm going to delete her webpage link, I felt strange posting it at the time. I felt as if I was violating her privacy.

[colomom]

My personal opinion Kat....if you don't want your personal business out there in cyber space you should set your stuff to private or not post it in the first place.

But, you should follow your conscience. :blowkiss:

[GannyP]

I'm back, have we established whether "the Jenkins Family" listed in the murderer's friends section was the husband's or the wife's MySpace page? I'm certain the picture is the same little boy.

[Kat]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/story/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509homicideweb.html

"Nelson died from two gunshot wounds to the abdoment, according to the Montgomery County Coroner's office.

Investigators believe Myers drove to Nelson's home on Redder Avenue on Friday in a Honda that Nelson and her husband reported stolen Dec. 17 in Columbus while they attended a concert.

Once at the Redder Avenue home, Myers kicked open the front door and restrained Jenny Nelson, 29.

Nelson, however, broke free, grabbed a knife and stabbed Myers in the back. During the ensuing struggle, Myers grabbed a shotgun he brought with him from Columbus and shot Nelson, killing her about 7 p.m. Friday.

Investigators believe Myers then grabbed Nelson's 4-year-old son and drove away in a black Oldsmobile Alero that's owned by one of her relatives."

I still think it's strange that he drove the car that was reported stolen on 17 DEC 08.:waitasec:

Kids are home, going to go do my Mommy duties! I'll check in tomorrow to see what is new.

[Filly]

Hi Filly!

Do you think that is an old mugshot Filly? I think it was taken shortly after the first one shown. Same hair, same shirt, same mass of zits under lip....

I think another prisoner popped him one. Wonder why they would take a second mugshot?

ETA: checked Larkin's link above and found my answer...."Myers appeared in a Franklin County courtroom Monday afternoon, Jan. 5, for an extradition hearing with a swollen right eye and cheek."

Hi CM. There we have the answer. He is deaf afterall so maybe when the cops told him to put his hands on top of his head he missed that and thus got himself a black eye. The lil creep face.

I'm still wondering why he'd unhook computers when he could have grabbed up light stuff that wouldn't have got his tail caught as easily as computers. It's just all so sad. Plus a cell? Why would you bring a shotgun to burglarize a home?

Too bad he doesn't have the same compassion and care for human beings as he seems to have for animals in all those photos. Another wannabe Thug4Life. An innocent woman in her prime murdered in cold blood. It's all just too sad for words.

[Larkin]

I'd be very surprised if the responsibility for the "innocent woman in her prime murdered in cold blood" doesn't come to fall squarely where it usually does . . . on the head of the supposedly innocent spouse. There's just no logical motive for this particular person to have committed this particular crime as it stands. Some very important part of the puzzle is missing.

[dragonfly]

Does anyone else think it's odd that the bright little 4 year old did not mention that the perp had trouble hearing and speaking?

[indians2009]

Have been waiting all day to post because I am so frustrated some people think it is a closed case since he admitted he did it. Why would someone drive an hour and a half roughly just to steal two computers? Surely in the huge city of Columbus there are many homes that have computers within walking distance of this guy. Maybe the hubby was having an online affair ala Scotty Peterson and wanted rid of the wife? Maybe that is why the computers had to go. But to go through all this trouble, I am sure hubby could have had someone locally steal the computers. I feel like some here this isn't all there is to this.

[Filly]

I'm back, have we established whether "the Jenkins Family" listed in the murderer's friends section was the husband's or the wife's MySpace page? I'm certain the picture is the same little boy.

Ganny, I don't believe the "Jenkins" are the Nelson's. A search came up whoever that is the female's name is C*****, and it looks like she knows Myers through the deaf community. I found a comment by her on another female's page and that girl went to Gallaudet University. That's a school for the deaf. So there's a connection somehow through the deaf community. That is unless one of the Nelson's has been lying on line for a long time and pretends their name is C*****. I'm leaving the Jenkins chicks name out because she has a child.

Like ColoMom said though you don't want anything known don't be posting it on line. Just from these Myspaces private or not you can find somebody.

[indians2009]

That is why I do not like myspace, the world is scary enough without having to put all your info out there. But I guess if someone wants to find you bad enough they will, I have a stalker and it is scary. The police told me there is nothing they can do as no crime has been commited yet. Makes victims feel like there is nobody who cares or will help them. But this isn't about me and right now I just am praying everyone responsible for this is caught. This Myer fellow is probably already singing like a canary.

[SuziQ]

That is why I do not like myspace, the world is scary enough without having to put all your info out there. But I guess if someone wants to find you bad enough they will, I have a stalker and it is scary. The police told me there is nothing they can do as no crime has been commited yet. Makes victims feel like there is nobody who cares or will help them. But this isn't about me and right now I just am praying everyone responsible for this is caught. This Myer fellow is probably already singing like a canary.

Still scary. Take care of yourself. :blowkiss:

[indians2009]

Still scary. Take care of yourself. :blowkiss:


Am trying my best, I have two kids so I am more scared for them. At least if he gets me eventually I know I have the smartest people in the world here that will figure it out, even if the police can't. Have been reading this site forever and you are all amazing. You have something called "common sense" which many in the world are lacking, sorry to say.

[KR2tonenow]

Kat, in your #68 post there was another MySpace entry for him. When I looked at the friends, there was a picture of the little boy! It was from "The Jenkens Family". I don't know when it was added, but they might have known each other.

This is a great find. This is the connection, I hope LE picks this up!

[KR2tonenow]

Kat, though Jenny is listed as a friend, Mr. 3 Jobs is not. Jenny hasn't posted on Greeneyedcountrygirl's MySpace in months (if at all, I didn't see a post) and "Greeneyed" is not a Facebook friend of Jenny's. I'm sure when this stuff happens in your family, you feel strongly about it, but it doesn't appear that these cousins were close.

In other news, the Montgomery County Sheriff (not the brightest bulb in the pack) noted that Myers showed "little remorse" but is cooperating fully in the investigation. LE still can't figure out why he took the computers and cell phone but left other valuables behind, and state Myers has no connections with Montgomery County. (Except of course, the mysterious Jenkins family.) Here's the link: http://snipurl.com/9i4u7

Bolded by me. I would assume because he's on them!! I think this guy was stalking her. Check out her myspace.

[KR2tonenow]

Now being discussed on Jane Velez Mitchell's show. 4 yr old will not be required to testify. 4 yr old is now showing signs of distress due to what has happened. The couple who found him at the rest stop are heros. Mother is a hero for teaching him to memorize his address and phone numbers.

[colomom]

Bolded by me. I would assume because he's on them!! I think this guy was stalking her. Check out her myspace.

Her who?? If you mean Jenny's, it is set to private and I can't see anything....can you post a link to the connection you see, please?

[indians2009]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509warrantweb.html



Once inside Myers' home on 70 McMillen Ave., investigator's found a cell phone, a blue Dell laptop computer, and a Playstation 2 video game system "consistent with" items stolen from the Nelson's home the night of the slaying, the affidavit said.

Detectives also found four shotgun shells and printed directions to the Nelson's home on a table inside Myers' apartment, according to the affidavit. Detectives also found the keys from the Nelsons' Honda, which they reported as stolen in Columbus on Dec. 17.

Detectives and agents returned with a search warrant. Among the items they sought were the laptop, cell phone and written directions to Nelson home, as well as a vibrator, a sexual enhancement device, personal lubricant and any clothing bearing blood or other bodily fluids.

During the search, authorities confiscated a Dell laptop, another laptop, various pieces of computer equipment, the written directions to Nelson's home, a shotgun and shells, a weekly planner with a child's photo, two cell phones, an Aldi bag containing Honda keys and dog tags for the Nelsons' dog, a vibrator, and underwear with blood on it.

[Larkin]

Bolded by me. I would assume because he's on them!! I think this guy was stalking her. Check out her myspace.

I think theorizing that Charlie Myers was stalking her was a bit of a stretch. Jenny seems to have had a close relationship with a number of women friends including her sister(s) and mother-- surely she would've mentioned a stalker to them and they would have mentioned it to the press. She had a presence online, both on Facebook and MySpace, even though both are private. Women plagued stalkers would not even leave that access open.

Perhaps removal of computers and cell phone was part of a contract? Thing is, Charlie Myers doesn't even seem like much of a contract killer, either. What about the fact that the little boy identified his mother's killer as being tall and skinny (which Myers isn't) and did not mention anything about the perp being deaf or speaking in an unusual way?

Charlie Myers' MySpace pages do indicate that he is in love with someone-- but it isn't Jenny Nelson. Useful to keep in mind that Columbus and Dayton are 70 miles apart, and that Jenny was a full time "stay at home" Mom in a marriage lasting ten years. Then there's Mr. "I Have Three Jobs." Not only did his mother and mother-in-law mention this to the press, but this is the handle on his MySpace page. Dude... three jobs! Wouldn't it be better to get one decent job than three scutwork jobs? How much was he away from home -- 80 hours a week? Harrison Township isn't exactly the upper West side, the cost of living in Dayton is not that prohibitive. You know, does he protest too much?

[SuziQ]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509warrantweb.html



Once inside Myers' home on 70 McMillen Ave., investigator's found a cell phone, a blue Dell laptop computer, and a Playstation 2 video game system "consistent with" items stolen from the Nelson's home the night of the slaying, the affidavit said.

Detectives also found four shotgun shells and printed directions to the Nelson's home on a table inside Myers' apartment, according to the affidavit. Detectives also found the keys from the Nelsons' Honda, which they reported as stolen in Columbus on Dec. 17.

Detectives and agents returned with a search warrant. Among the items they sought were the laptop, cell phone and written directions to Nelson home, as well as a vibrator, a sexual enhancement device, personal lubricant and any clothing bearing blood or other bodily fluids.

During the search, authorities confiscated a Dell laptop, another laptop, various pieces of computer equipment, the written directions to Nelson's home, a shotgun and shells, a weekly planner with a child's photo, two cell phones, an Aldi bag containing Honda keys and dog tags for the Nelsons' dog, a vibrator, and underwear with blood on it.

The last couple of items sound like there was a sexual assault involved. Or the intention of one anyways.

[Larkin]

Dog Tags?

[SuziQ]

I think theorizing that Charlie Myers was stalking her was a bit of a stretch. Jenny seems to have had a close relationship with a number of women friends including her sister(s) and mother-- surely she would've mentioned a stalker to them and they would have mentioned it to the press. She had a presence online, both on Facebook and MySpace, even though both are private. Women plagued stalkers would not even leave that access open.

Perhaps removal of computers and cell phone was part of a contract? Thing is, Charlie Myers doesn't even seem like much of a contract killer, either. What about the fact that the little boy identified his mother's killer as being tall and skinny (which Myers isn't) and did not mention anything about the perp being deaf or speaking in an unusual way?

Charlie Myers' MySpace pages do indicate that he is in love with someone-- but it isn't Jenny Nelson. Useful to keep in mind that Columbus and Dayton are 70 miles apart, and that Jenny was a full time "stay at home" Mom in a marriage lasting ten years. Then there's Mr. "I Have Three Jobs." Not only did his mother and mother-in-law mention this to the press, but this is the handle on his MySpace page. Dude... three jobs! Wouldn't it be better to get one decent job than three scutwork jobs? How much was he away from home -- 80 hours a week? Harrison Township isn't exactly the upper West side, the cost of living in Dayton is not that prohibitive. You know, does he protest too much?

It would be better to have one decent job, but in this economy they are few and far between. Employers do not want full time employees that they have to pay benefits for. Alot of people have several jobs nowdays that barely add up to 40 hours a week. Employers do not want full time employees that will cost them benefits. Three people living on one salary is expensive even in a low cost of living area.

While it's always a possibility that the husband is involved, I'm not seeing anything solid that leads down that path.

[Filly]

Bolded by me. I would assume because he's on them!! I think this guy was stalking her. Check out her myspace.

If he was stalking this poor woman why would he need written directions to her home?

If this was the case it would have to be when he boosted that car and found Three Job's wallet he found information leading him to look for Jenny on the computer.

Did Eddie Nelson leave their cell phone number in the car with his wallet, with his keys when he went into a concert?

The only person I could find on Eddie Nelson's friends is a guy that's into cars and car shows. It appears they all his friends have kids and are in their 30's. No sign of any young punks.

I'll go out on a limb and say 100% "Jenkins Family" is a coinkydink of a person with a small child. The URL is Butterlove2831. A search of that shows a person with a AOL account. Her name beginning with a "C". The only other thing even remotely on the line of a great big maybe is she has a friend named Amber. NOW, if Jennifer's sister Amber attended Gallaudet University we'd be on to something.

[Filly]

Dog Tags?

The Nelson's have a dog?

Where was the dog?

Could the dog tags have been left in the car when it got stolen?

I bet the weekly planner was in the car when it was stolen. Why would he have taken that from the house?

Not only is this guy a murderer he's a freak. Male enhancements? Vibrators?

[Larkin]

The Nelsons have two dogs, a Boston Terrier and a Pug. The Boston Terrier is the profile pic for Jenny's Facebook page, and the pug wearing a wig is the profile pic for her MySpace account. On her husband's cached MySpace page, she says something about "10 years, one kid and two ugly dogs later and I still love hanging out with you."

[indians2009]

I wonder if he wasn't going to kill her just saw some sexy pics of her on the husbands cellphone and got turned on. Decided to go take a roadtrip to check her out in person. People are weird and who knows what it takes to turn a freak on anymore. I truly hope my gut is wrong and the husband is not involved at all. I seriously doubt she talked to this guy online or even knew him because how on Earth would he just happened to have known where her car was in that huge town. Either it was just some random weird sicko or hubby told him where the car was parked right?

[Larkin]

Here's another of Charlie Myer's online profiles, this one on My Yearbook. com. Pretty suggestive. http://snipurl.com/9inl0

[Larkin]

why do these darn things post twice? Argh

[indians2009]

Charlie is a xxx porn star xxx, no not really but that is what he states he is on that yearbook site. Legend in his own mind so to speak? Also looks like he tried to "battle" all the good looking people on the ego contests and lost every single time.

[annemc2]

Dog Tags?

Or military, perhaps?

[annemc2]

sorry - double post

[indians2009]

Or military, perhaps?

The newspaper said the dog tags were from the Jenny's dog but they have been wrong before.

[Kat]

Another mugshot:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/Myers.png

Wonder when this one was taken??

Good Morning! Colomon, I watched Jane V last night and it showed C Myers in court. He had this shiner. I do wonder where he got that?

[Kat]

Here's another of Charlie Myer's online profiles, this one on My Yearbook. com. Pretty suggestive. http://snipurl.com/9inl0

Excellent find Larkin. I had no clue this social networking site exsisted, so yet another I will bookmark when I go looking for people:D

Notice on this webpage he selects under his Looking for tab: Friendship, Dating, True Love, Random Play, Business, Whatever I Can Get
(Bolding by me)

And he selects under his interest tab: Both

Now being bi-sexual (or experimenting with one's sexuality) has nothing to do with his alleged crime, I, personally believe, that our sexual preference in regards to orientation is but just a very small facet of our personalities.

But it's interesting to note that he has a person of alternate lifestyle as one of his top friends on his myspace and that person has him listed as number two.

As I said, it means nothing in relation to this case, but it does give us more insight into C. Myers. and his life.

[Kat]

The last couple of items sound like there was a sexual assault involved. Or the intention of one anyways.

I think so too SuziQ.

[colomom]

I know we all hate to "go there" but has anyone considered that perhaps the assault was on William? From the story it does not sound like there was any time to assault Jenny. Blood on underwear? Sounds like force. Also, what's up with the "picture of a child" mentioned in the confiscated items?

Myers mentioned living in a violent atmosphere, perhaps he was abused??

Sorry if I turned anyone's stomach this morning.

*Good morning to you Kat! Perhaps the prisoners in the general population know more about the possible assault and they meted out some prison justice? One can hope....

[gooniequeen]

i personally do not believe that the husband had anything to do with it. My main reasoning is that apparently CM has confessed to murdering Jenny and police also found the 2 computers a playstation and her cell phone (which the dummy used to call his own cell phone from AFTER Jenny was dead) - see link.

http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/06/myers.ART_ART_01-06-09_A1_3MCEC26.html?sid=101

Obviously the boy is not too bright and IF he was hired to kill her or was given some incentive to kill her he would have totally rolled on anyone else involved by now.

[Kat]

I know we all hate to "go there" but has anyone considered that perhaps the assault was on William? From the story it does not sound like there was any time to assault Jenny. Blood on underwear? Sounds like force. Also, what's up with the "picture of a child" mentioned in the confiscated items?

Myers mentioned living in a violent atmosphere, perhaps he was abused??

Sorry if I turned anyone's stomach this morning.

*Good morning to you Kat! Perhaps the prisoners in the general population know more about the possible assault and they meted out some prison justice? One can hope....

:eek: Oh no, please don't let it be that.

[Larkin]

I don't think there was time for him to have assaulted William. The police estimate the time of death was around 7 p.m. William was found around 8:30 at the rest stop and had apparently been there for a little while. I can't imagine he'd hang around the Redder Ave. house after the gunshots. The EB rest area is at mile marker 71. Harrison Township is in the NW corner of Dayton, around mile marker 35. So, you have to figure 35 miles, plus he had to make his way from 80 Redder Ave. to the interstate, in an area where it is not obvious how to get there. Particularly if you've just shot someone. (And I think we can suppose he hasn't made it a habit to shoot people, since his juvenile record doesn't include anything like this and he has no record as an adult.) So figure: 7 pm to 7:20 just to get to the interstate, 7:20 to 8:00 to get to the rest stop-- don't think he would be driving like a bat out of hell, given the circumstances. I don't think charges have been filed yet, but that should give us some insight as to what they believe happen.

Please allow me to counsel caution in "demonizing" Charlie Myers. We don't know what happened. We don't know who beat him up or why. We don't even know the full extent of his involvement, and as experienced armchair sleuths, you've gotta know that "confessions" can be a real mixed bag. Conventional media like for people to leap to conclusions-- it sells newspapers and raises the ratings of the evening news. But as a veteran journalist, I can tell you, so often these things turn out differently than we expect.

Do I think Charlie Myers is an altar boy? No. Is he innocent? Probably not... but then, who knows. How did they know to look for the sexually related items? (And remember, they were itemized on the search warrant) Because someone (Three Jobs, presumably) told them they were missing. Perhaps Jenny was not wearing her underwear. Maybe the blood was menstrual. Maybe not. This could be a horrible random crime where this guy went off his nut, stole a car, kept it three weeks, decided to go steal more stuff from the people who had the car, assaulted Jenny and/or Will and murdered her, left the first car, stole another car (leaving prints all over-- and remember, his prints are in the system.) Or maybe not.

Please remember that when you call for his brutalization at this early hour of the investigation, it doesn't reflect well on any of us as civilized human beings. And it doesn't bring Jenny back, or take away her son's pain.

[SuziQ]

(snipped)
Please allow me to counsel caution in "demonizing" Charlie Myers. We don't know what happened. We don't know who beat him up or why. We don't even know the full extent of his involvement, and as experienced armchair sleuths, you've gotta know that "confessions" can be a real mixed bag. Conventional media like for people to leap to conclusions-- it sells newspapers and raises the ratings of the evening news. But as a veteran journalist, I can tell you, so often these things turn out differently than we expect.

Do I think Charlie Myers is an altar boy? No. Is he innocent? Probably not... but then, who knows. How did they know to look for the sexually related items? (And remember, they were itemized on the search warrant) Because someone (Three Jobs, presumably) told them they were missing. Perhaps Jenny was not wearing her underwear. Maybe the blood was menstrual. Maybe not. This could be a horrible random crime where this guy went off his nut, stole a car, kept it three weeks, decided to go steal more stuff from the people who had the car, assaulted Jenny and/or Will and murdered her, left the first car, stole another car (leaving prints all over-- and remember, his prints are in the system.) Or maybe not.

Please remember that when you call for his brutalization at this early hour of the investigation, it doesn't reflect well on any of us as civilized human beings. And it doesn't bring Jenny back, or take away her son's pain.

What needs to be cautioned here is demonizing the husband with no evidence whatsoever that leads to his involvement. However, there is plenty that points towards Charlie Meyers sole role and guilt. I don't see where pointing fingers at the husband, but giving Charlie the benefit of the doubt would make us more civilized human beings.

ETA: Did I miss something? I don't recall anyone in this thread calling for brutilization. I think posters have been fair of their opinion givien of Charlie.

[colomom]

Another twist...(from: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509warrantweb.html)

"FBI agents tracked Nelson's cell phone number and determined her cell phone was used twice in Columbus after her death, according to a search warrant affidavit filed Monday in Franklin County Municipal Court. One of those calls, made late Sunday morning, was made to the cell phone of Charlie W. Myers, 22, of Columbus."

So, who had Jenny's cell phone and why were they calling Myers? :waitasec:

Weirder and weirder....

[Larkin]

Suzi,
With all due respect, the spouse is always suspect, and often with good reason. You've been around long enough to know that. Particularly if the wife is shot and the child (and/or surviving spouse) is unharmed.

This forum has not been as bad as some others (Dreamin' Demon thread was way over the top) in terms of calling for violence, but these texts have appeared here in reference to Charlie Myers: (#100) "They ought to beat his head like his eyeball." (#107) "The lil creep face." and #125 "Not only is this guy a murderer he's a freak. Male enhancements? Vibrators?" Doesn't exactly have the ring of Innocent Until Proven Guilty (which is the basis for the justice system in this country) does it? Does it?

And as I wrote earlier this morning, the sexually related items were listed in the search warrant because they were missing. We don't know what kind of "enhancement device" it was. Because otherwise, how would they know to even be looking for them? Would that make the Nelsons "freaks?" Only to the most straitlaced.

Further, this morning's Dayton paper is quoted as saying that Myers "has confessed to his role in the slaying." It does not confirm that he has stab wounds. It does not say that he is being charged with murder. Even Sheriff Plummer has hedged on whether or not robbery could be the motive, noting that more valuable items were left behind. It's quite possible that there are others involved who they hope to lull into a sense of complacency by suggesting that they've "got their man." But they aren't actually saying that they've got their man. They're saying its still an active investigation.

[MeoW333]

Excellent find Larkin. I had no clue this social networking site exsisted, so yet another I will bookmark when I go looking for people:D

Notice on this webpage he selects under his Looking for tab: Friendship, Dating, True Love, Random Play, Business, Whatever I Can Get
(Bolding by me)

And he selects under his interest tab: Both

Now being bi-sexual (or experimenting with one's sexuality) has nothing to do with his alleged crime, I, personally believe, that our sexual preference in regards to orientation is but just a very small facet of our personalities.

But it's interesting to note that he has a person of alternate lifestyle as one of his top friends on his myspace and that person has him listed as number two.

As I said, it means nothing in relation to this case, but it does give us more insight into C. Myers. and his life.

He's bi? That explains why it looks like he's wearing lipstick in the one mugshot?
http://www.daytondailynews.com/story/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509homicideweb.html

What if he was gay with the husband and wanted to rid of Jenny?

When the Nelson's went to a concert Dec 17, and their car got stolen, it is correct that Eddie left his wallet in the car? If he did, it was not reported stolen with the car, or it was? I'm unclear on these things..
Also if someone was going to a concert, it's common for people to bring their ID and money in with them and leave the wallet in the car. Did Eddie bring his ID into the concert with him?

[colomom]

Here is a letter Myers wrote to a judge:

(took a long time to load)

http://www.10tv.com/live/export-content/sites/10tv/local/stories/2009/01/05/MyersLetter.pdf

I found it here: http://www.wbns10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/01/05/story_dayton_arrest.html?sid=102

[SuziQ]

Larkin, The husband is always suspect, true. There could turn out to be more to this story. So far I'm not seeing it here. My response was not about that, it was because you were issuing us caution in demonizing Charlie, while you have been demonizing the husband, who by all accounts (so far) is the victim here. I feel it's unfair to chastise us for doing something you, yourself do. That's all I was saying, no offense intended.

The above opinions you posted, IMO, are not brutal given the crime Charlie has CONFESSED to.

[MeoW333]

Here is a letter Myers wrote to a judge:

(took a long time to load)

http://www.10tv.com/live/export-content/sites/10tv/local/stories/2009/01/05/MyersLetter.pdf

I found it here: http://www.wbns10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/01/05/story_dayton_arrest.html?sid=102

Awesome link! Now we know he's a good Bullsh*tter!

[colomom]

Something just occurred to me...

Myers had the Honda keys!!!

If the car was stolen while Eddie and Jenny were at a concert, and it has been explained that personal effects were left in the car and that is how Myers found the Nelson house, does that mean that Eddie left his wallet and his car keys in the car?? Was the car unlocked? If not, how would he be able to get back in the car after the concert?

Do you think this is the police report of the stolen car?

http://www.ps.ohio-state.edu/police/daily_log/view.php

Anybody know how to get more details from this report?

[SuziQ]

Something just occurred to me...

Myers had the Honda keys!!!

If the car was stolen while Eddie and Jenny were at a concert, and it has been explained that personal effects were left in the car and that is how Myers found the Nelson house, does that mean that Eddie left his wallet and his car keys in the car?? Was the car unlocked? If not, how would he be able to get back in the car after the concert?

Do you think this is the police report of the stolen car?

http://www.ps.ohio-state.edu/police/daily_log/view.php

Anybody know how to get more details from this report?

I do remember somewhere it was said Eddie did leave the keys in the car. My understanding is he slept on the way to the concert and Jenny drove. So they probably would have used her keys to get back into the car.

The above link is like alot of LE and county links, it doesn't take you to the direct report. Only to the query screen.

[Kat]

I didn't see anything yesterday in E. Nelson's web presence that would suggest he was anything other than a loving husband and devoted father. I'll withhold speculation about him until I see otherwise ~ but that's just me.

MeoW33 I think that mugshot might just be bad color resolution. But I don't know.

Colomom: Now that is very interesting indeed, who would be calling him from J. Nelson's cell after she was deceased? Do we know who else is being questioned? I have heard conflicting reports that they do/do not have others in custody. This cell phone usage would lead me to assume that someone(s) else are involved in this crime.
I think C. Myers was involved but I am beginning to think someone else was too.

After reading the article where it says that J. Nelson fought for her life, maybe the black eye is a result of that.

[colomom]

The Nelson's dog has a myspace page....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=281273823

[colomom]

I do remember somewhere it was said Eddie did leave the keys in the car. My understanding is he slept on the way to the concert and Jenny drove. So they probably would have used her keys to get back into the car.

The above link is like alot of LE and county links, it doesn't take you to the direct report. Only to the query screen.

Whooopsie, I should always check my links, sorry.

Enter report # 08-5953

[Kat]

Another twist...(from: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509warrantweb.html)

"FBI agents tracked Nelson's cell phone number and determined her cell phone was used twice in Columbus after her death, according to a search warrant affidavit filed Monday in Franklin County Municipal Court. One of those calls, made late Sunday morning, was made to the cell phone of Charlie W. Myers, 22, of Columbus."

So, who had Jenny's cell phone and why were they calling Myers? :waitasec:

Weirder and weirder....

The Nelson's dog has a myspace page....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=281273823

Aww too cute, I didn't make the connection when I saw that link. cool:)

[Kat]

Something just occurred to me...

Myers had the Honda keys!!!

If the car was stolen while Eddie and Jenny were at a concert, and it has been explained that personal effects were left in the car and that is how Myers found the Nelson house, does that mean that Eddie left his wallet and his car keys in the car?? Was the car unlocked? If not, how would he be able to get back in the car after the concert?

Do you think this is the police report of the stolen car?

http://www.ps.ohio-state.edu/police/daily_log/view.php

Anybody know how to get more details from this report?

That looks like it could very well be the report. Where is that garage located and as someone else asked...(Larkin?) Where is it relation to where her family resides? (sister)...Don't mind me I'm just following ideas down the rabbit hole:crazy:

[colomom]

That looks like it could very well be the report. Where is that garage located and as someone else asked...(Larkin?) Where is it relation to where her family resides? (sister)...Don't mind me I'm just following ideas down the rabbit hole:crazy:

Me too Kat, right behind you....

Do you know any details about where her family lived?

Here is the garage: http://www.osu.edu/map/building.php?building=288

Click the Google map.

I can tell you one thing, it was very convenient to Myers' house (http://airamerica.com/full_story/125029304 : "Myers was one of three people investigators took from a McMillen Avenue address, just north of King Avenue"

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/myersApt.png

[indians2009]

Now he says "the man with 3 jobs is facing another day" and his mood has gone from "distraught" to "loved". If I lost a loved one you couldn't get me out of bed let alone on a happy little site like myspace or facebook. I would have to be medicated just to get out of bed and use the restroom. This is just way too soon for him to be myspacing and the whole thing stinks to me.

[indians2009]

From: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-ohioarrest0105,0,6084551.story

"A car that police believe was the getaway vehicle was found Sunday in a parking lot in Columbus, some 75 miles from Dayton."

So how did Myers get from Columbus back to Dayton?

I am half asleep but if you are asking what I think you were asking he dropped the honda at the home in columbus. He then took the mothers oldsmobile and drove it back to columbus. If that is not what you meant forgive me as I am confused myself with all this.

[gooniequeen]

like is said the folks involved in this crime are not very bright. i mean why on earth would you use the victims cell phone after she's been murdered? duh!

Earlier it was said 3 people were questioned. do we know who those 3 were and why Myer was the only one arrested? He seems pretty close to his sister, is it possible he's taking the fall and she was involved too in this little crime spree.

[colomom]

I am half asleep but if you are asking what I think you were asking he dropped the honda at the home in columbus. He then took the mothers oldsmobile and drove it back to columbus. If that is not what you meant forgive me as I am confused myself with all this.

Oh me too indians...me too. Disregard that post. I had too many Google map windows up. Sorry.

[Kat]

From: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-ohioarrest0105,0,6084551.story

"A car that police believe was the getaway vehicle was found Sunday in a parking lot in Columbus, some 75 miles from Dayton."

So how did Myers get from Columbus back to Dayton?

That and my response where I quoted you earlier did not get posted. Who used J. Nelson's cell phone to place those two calls and one of which was to C. Myers?

Who drove C. Myers home from Columbus?

The two names that I found in connection with that address (2 males) I haven't been able to find a single website with their names on it.

As for the female...nothing either. They may be names that aren't even connected to this case but they are/were connected to that address at one time or another.

[STEADFAST]

Who drove C. Myers home from Columbus?




C. Myers lived in Columbus.

Eddie's car stolen in Columbus. Myers drives it to Dayton (where it is later found) and commits crime. Grandma's car stolen at crime scene in Dayton. Myers drives it to Columbus (where it is later found.)

[colomom]

Does anybody know the name of the woman (someone's sister) that appeared on the Today Show yesterday with Eddie Nelson??

[Larkin]

Larkin, The husband is always suspect, true. There could turn out to be more to this story. So far I'm not seeing it here. My response was not about that, it was because you were issuing us caution in demonizing Charlie, while you have been demonizing the husband, who by all accounts (so far) is the victim here. I feel it's unfair to chastise us for doing something you, yourself do. That's all I was saying, no offense intended.

The above opinions you posted, IMO, are not brutal given the crime Charlie has CONFESSED to.

Suzi, do tell us what the confession says since you seem to know what it contains. ;) Local reporters say he has confessed to his "role," but they have been very cagey about what that role is. Further, please give me an instance in which I have "demonized" the father, or made even a slightly derogatory comment about him, as certainly no such thing was ever intended. As far as I am aware I have only reported what he has said or done or posted and nothing more.

I believe in justice, and it is not always swift. Many people (not here necessarily, but at large) set themselves up metaphorically as judge, jury and executioner. It's a good thing that in the real world, generally cooler heads prevail. No one was being chastised by me, only cautioned. They're not the same thing, and as you pointed out, no offense is intended.

[STEADFAST]

Does anybody know the name of the woman (someone's sister) that appeared on the Today Show yesterday with Eddie Nelson??

Earlier on Monday, Jenny Nelson’s husband, Eddie, and her sister, Amber Stillings, had spoken exclusively with TODAY’s Meredith Vieira about the shooting and kidnapping.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28503582/

[adnoid]

Discuss the case and facts, not each other.

[STEADFAST]

Who used J. Nelson's cell phone to place those two calls and one of which was to C. Myers?



A man arrested in the slaying of a young mother had her cell phone in his apartment when investigators came to question him, court documents show.
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/article/20090106/UPDATES01/90106022

I don't know who made the call to Myers' cell phone, but Jennifer's cell phone was in Myers' possession.

[Larkin]

After reading the article where it says that J. Nelson fought for her life, maybe the black eye is a result of that.

Kat, the papers here (in Dayton) have said that Jenny went after "her attacker" with a knife after he kicked the door in. They have very carefully not stated that the attacker was Myers. Apparently she stabbed her attacker with the knife, and the attacker grabbed his shotgun (not the usual weapon for robbery) and shot her twice in the abdomen.

In the Columbus paper, Charlie Myers roommate said that Charlie said (in court this would be hearsay) that he (Myers) was stabbed on the way home from the bus, but there is no other confirmation of Myers having a wound. (And he may have one that no one from LE is making comment on.)

She might have inflicted the black eye, or perhaps he got in a scuffle with someone else. Perhaps time will tell. I'm not saying that Charlie Myers is innocent... certainly evidence is stacking up against him. I'm not rushing to judgment because I know that reporters are carefully NOT saying things that they would be ordinarily reporting on, and that's interesting to me.

[colomom]

This article: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/06/myers.ART_ART_01-06-09_A1_3MCEC26.html?sid=101 is pretty clear about the stabbing...

"A Dayton-area mother stabbed her attacker in the back before the man shot her dead, robbed her house, kidnapped her 4-year-old and abandoned the child at a highway rest area."

"One of Myers' roommates had told their landlord that afternoon that Myers had been stabbed in the back while walking home from the bus at 3 a.m. Saturday."

So!! We have room mates, that probably explains the reference to 3 men questioned.

ETA: doesn't the article's reference to "investigators" VS "source" give it more credence?

[Larkin]

This article: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/06/myers.ART_ART_01-06-09_A1_3MCEC26.html?sid=101 is pretty clear about the stabbing...

ETA: doesn't the article's reference to "investigators" VS "source" give it more credence?

Colo, from a purely journalistic standpoint, that particular article could get a reporter fired at any number of papers. It is full of statements that are not supported by fact or attributed to anyone and could not have been known or observed by the writer or reporter first hand. While they bandy about the word "investigators," nary a one is quoted... not even the LE agency, so nothing is verifiable. Further, there are no quotes from the FBI or Montgomery County Sheriff's office, which are the offices in charge. Just a quote from the mother in law and the landlord, which was pure hearsay. The fact that TWO writers contributed to it makes you wonder what kind of journalistic standards they have at the Dispatch. The Dayton Daily News is not exactly a beacon of journalistic integrity, but even they do better than that. ;)

[colomom]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/stolen_car_used_in_womans_murd.html

"HARRISON TWP., Montgomery County - The 1999 Honda authorities believe Charlie Myers drove from Columbus to Jenny Nelson’s home on Friday, Jan. 2, was left unlocked with the keys inside when it was stolen from an Ohio State University parking lot on Dec. 17."

Oh, oh...now I am really suspicious!!

[STEADFAST]

Kat, the papers here (in Dayton) have said that Jenny went after "her attacker" with a knife after he kicked the door in. They have very carefully not stated that the attacker was Myers. . . . I'm not rushing to judgment because I know that reporters are carefully NOT saying things that they would be ordinarily reporting on, and that's interesting to me.

From the Dayton Daily News:
After killing Nelson, who was home alone with her son, Myers took the boy and later dropped him off at a rest stop near Springfield, where the boy told a Maryland couple who found him, "Somebody killed my mom."
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509nelsonsideweb.html

[Alcina]

A man arrested in the slaying of a young mother had her cell phone in his apartment when investigators came to question him, court documents show.
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/article/20090106/UPDATES01/90106022

I don't know who made the call to Myers' cell phone, but Jennifer's cell phone was in Myers' possession.

I'd imagine he called himself, to get her number. I know my cell # doesn't show up anywhere on my phone, you'd have to have me give it to you or call you to get the number.

[STEADFAST]

Authorities took Myers into custody at 8:30 p.m. Sunday. He confessed to Nelson's slaying and the kidnapping of her 4-year-old son at about 4 a.m. Monday, Plummer said.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/05/ddn010509warrantweb.html

[colomom]

I'd imagine he called himself, to get her number. I know my cell # doesn't show up anywhere on my phone, you'd have to have me give it to you or call you to get the number.

Why would he need her number? That's weird. Do you think he planned on using it for awhile and giving the number to other people so they could call him on it? I can't think of another reason....

Either something really strange is going on or Charles Myers may be the dumbest dude in the universe.

[SuziQ]

We should know soon what the charges are:

http://www.whiotv.com/news/18422374/detail.html

Prosecutors are meeting today to discuss what charges their suspect will face in the murder of a Harrison Twp. mother in front of her 4-year-old son.

Police detectives are meeting with a triple-panel of prosecutors at this hour. They are discussing several charges that could be filed against Charlie Myers, 22, of Columbus.

[colomom]

We should know soon what the charges are:

http://www.whiotv.com/news/18422374/detail.html

Prosecutors are meeting today to discuss what charges their suspect will face in the murder of a Harrison Twp. mother in front of her 4-year-old son.

Police detectives are meeting with a triple-panel of prosecutors at this hour. They are discussing several charges that could be filed against Charlie Myers, 22, of Columbus.


Oh my....did you notice this (from that article SuziQ):

"Her little boy was then allegedly kidnapped and left unharmed at a Madison County rest stop."

First time I have seen it referred to that way.

Weirder and weirder....

[Kat]

There is something that's just not right about what we know so far, I agree with the some of the other posters.

The reason I think it's not setting right with me right now is that this crime seems to have involved quite a bit of planning. Do you think?

1.Steal the car and hide it for approximately two weeks
2. Use the car to drive to the residence of the the car owner
3. Enter the home when the male that resides there isn't home
4. Steal yet another car for the trip home.

What am I missing? This just seems so far fetched for one person. I know that C. Myers has a record but how quickly do criminals graduate from B&E's to aggravated murder and kidnapping?

[mellybean]

Me too Kat, right behind you....

Do you know any details about where her family lived?

Here is the garage: http://www.osu.edu/map/building.php?building=288

Click the Google map.

I can tell you one thing, it was very convenient to Myers' house (http://airamerica.com/full_story/125029304 : "Myers was one of three people investigators took from a McMillen Avenue address, just north of King Avenue"

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/myersApt.png


I am very familiar with that garage, since my graduate program is housed in the building right next to it. I went in and out of that garage daily for over a year, and would often go to my car late at night when I was working on my thesis. It's well lit and I generally felt safe. I'm actually quite surprised to learn that a car was stolen from there, since there are a number of surface lots in other areas on the campus that would have been easier to access, and are located in lower-traffic areas (the garage is right on High Street, which is a main roadway that runs on the eastern edge of the campus). If the car theft was truly random, it makes me wonder if the thief were going through the garage looking for unlocked cars to steal stuff from, found the keys and decided to steal the car. Otherwise, it seems too coincidental that the thief happened to find the one car in the garage with all that stuff left inside, including keys. Plus, the only ways in and out of the garage are to drive right by one of two pay booths. Typically the "arm" barriers are up on the weekends and over school breaks and people can park for free, but if I were a car thief I would be worried about cameras over the two booths. There are much easier places to steal cars from, even in the immediate area.

Their concert was at Newport Music Hall, which is pretty much right across the street. The fact that it was a metal concert may explain why the wallet, etc were left behind - to keep them from falling out of pockets, particularly if they were planning on dancing. Many times when I go to concerts, bars, etc, I will take only the essentials (ID, cash, sometimes debit card) in my pocket and leave the rest in my car - though typically hidden so as not to provoke thieves.

And btw, the garage is actually not that close to the house on McMillan - about a 5-10 min. drive, and a bit of a hike on foot, particularly in the cold.

[Kat]

Also, now that we know where the crime occurred and where C. Myers lived...I'm going to go try and figure out where the rest stop is where W. Nelson was found. I'm curious to see how that looks on a map.

[Kat]

I am very familiar with that garage, since my graduate program is housed in the building right next to it. I went in and out of that garage daily for over a year, and would often go to my car late at night when I was working on my thesis. It's well lit and I generally felt safe. I'm actually quite surprised to learn that a car was stolen from there, since there are a number of surface lots in other areas on the campus that would have been easier to access, and are located in lower-traffic areas (the garage is right on High Street, which is a main roadway that runs on the eastern edge of the campus). If the car theft was truly random, it makes me wonder if the thief were going through the garage looking for unlocked cars to steal stuff from, found the keys and decided to steal the car. Otherwise, it seems too coincidental that the thief happened to find the one car in the garage with all that stuff left inside, including keys. Plus, the only ways in and out of the garage are to drive right by one of two pay booths. Typically the "arm" barriers are up on the weekends and over school breaks and people can park for free, but if I were a car thief I would be worried about cameras over the two booths. There are much easier places to steal cars from, even in the immediate area.

Their concert was at Newport Music Hall, which is pretty much right across the street. The fact that it was a metal concert may explain why the wallet, etc were left behind - to keep them from falling out of pockets, particularly if they were planning on dancing. Many times when I go to concerts, bars, etc, I will take only the essentials (ID, cash, sometimes debit card) in my pocket and leave the rest in my car - though typically hidden so as not to provoke thieves.

And btw, the garage is actually not that close to the house on McMillan - about a 5-10 min. drive, and a bit of a hike on foot, particularly in the cold.


It was reported that the car was stolen on 17 DEC 2008. That date was on a Wednesday. So this would have been stolen during the week.

Thanks for sharing your own personal experiences with this garage:)

[mellybean]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/stolen_car_used_in_womans_murd.html

"HARRISON TWP., Montgomery County - The 1999 Honda authorities believe Charlie Myers drove from Columbus to Jenny Nelson’s home on Friday, Jan. 2, was left unlocked with the keys inside when it was stolen from an Ohio State University parking lot on Dec. 17."

Oh, oh...now I am really suspicious!!

They may have been more comfortable since it was a garage - maybe they thought it would be safer? I have been guilty in the past of leaving my keys in a "hidden" place in my car - such as the glovebox - in what I considered to be a safe location, while I went running, just so I wouldn't have to carry the keys with me. Stupid, I know. Because it was a concert, they may have stripped their pockets to what they considered the essentials and just left the rest behind. Smart? Definitely not, but I don't see it as suspicious either, unless someone can prove a connection between the accused and the husband.

[Larkin]

Steadfast, both of the pieces you cited are from yesterday. Today's they keep referencing "his role" .... and a source inside the active media here has made some interesting observations about the developing story. That's as much as I can say, sorry.

*My apologies for one post appearing six times. Some gremlin in the works.*

[STEADFAST]

There is something that's just not right about what we know so far, I agree with the some of the other posters.

The reason I think it's not setting right with me right now is that this crime seems to have involved quite a bit of planning. Do you think?

1.Steal the car and hide it for approximately two weeks
2. Use the car to drive to the residence of the the car owner
3. Enter the home when the male that resides there isn't home
4. Steal yet another car for the trip home.

What am I missing? This just seems so far fetched for one person. I know that C. Myers has a record but how quickly do criminals graduate from B&E's to aggravated murder and kidnapping?

I see what you're saying, and if some other "complication" comes out, I won't be surprised. But, on the other hand, this all doesn't have to be some big plan.
1. Steal a car, because you're a thief.
2. Sit around goofing with the items you found in the car, which identify the car's owner.
3. Get bored, decide to drive over to the owner's house and rob them, since "Works 3 Jobs" is probably rarely home. Leave car nearby, but not in the driveway.
4. Tie up woman, begin to rob, don't hear (because you're deaf) that she's gotten out of her bindings and picked up a knife.
5. React to the total surprise of being stabbed in the back by shooting the woman.
6. Not have it in you to shoot a little boy. Decide to take him.
7. Realize you can't drag the little boy down the street without being seen. Steal car from driveway.
8. Drop boy at rest stop. Go home and goof around with the owner's possessions again.

[mellybean]

It was reported that the car was stolen on 17 DEC 2008. That date was on a Wednesday. So this would have been stolen during the week.

Thanks for sharing your own personal experiences with this garage:)

Right - I looked at the Newport schedule because I had a hunch that's where the concert would be, and the concert was the night of Tuesday the 16th. So they probably got back after midnight sometime, realized the car was gone and called the cops. OSU was already out for winter break, so it would have been free to park and the "arm" barriers would have been up to allow traffic to enter in and out without paying.

[Larkin]

Also, now that we know where the crime occurred and where C. Myers lived...I'm going to go try and figure out where the rest stop is where W. Nelson was found. I'm curious to see how that looks on a map.

The EB rest stop where William was found is at mile marker 71. (They count up from the Indiana line.... so its 71 miles east of the Indiana line.)

[Kat]

They may have been more comfortable since it was a garage - maybe they thought it would be safer? I have been guilty in the past of leaving my keys in a "hidden" place in my car - such as the glovebox - in what I considered to be a safe location, while I went running, just so I wouldn't have to carry the keys with me. Stupid, I know. Because it was a concert, they may have stripped their pockets to what they considered the essentials and just left the rest behind. Smart? Definitely not, but I don't see it as suspicious either, unless someone can prove a connection between the accused and the husband.


I, too, have done the same thing, on numerous occasions. I have keyless entry on my vehicle and can enter it that way. Guess I need to cut that out.

[colomom]

The police report indicates 18 minutes after midnight on the 16th....police messed up on the date??

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/Picture6-1.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/Picture8.png

[Kat]

I see what you're saying, and if some other "complication" comes out, I won't be surprised. But, on the other hand, this all doesn't have to be some big plan.
1. Steal a car, because you're a thief.
2. Sit around goofing with the items you found in the car, which identify the car's owner.
3. Get bored, decide to drive over to the owner's house and rob them, since "Works 3 Jobs" is probably rarely home. Leave car nearby, but not in the driveway.
4. Tie up woman, begin to rob, don't hear (because you're deaf) that she's gotten out of her bindings and picked up a knife.
5. React to the total surprise of being stabbed in the back by shooting the woman.
6. Not have it in you to shoot a little boy. Decide to take him.
7. Realize you can't drag the little boy down the street without being seen. Steal car from driveway.
8. Drop boy at rest stop. Go home and goof around with the owner's possessions again.

Can't argue that, do you think he had someone else help him? (I'm not even remotely considering E. Nelson)

[SuziQ]

Also, now that we know where the crime occurred and where C. Myers lived...I'm going to go try and figure out where the rest stop is where W. Nelson was found. I'm curious to see how that looks on a map.

Here is a map. It's not zoomable though.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/04/map.html

[gooniequeen]

I see what you're saying, and if some other "complication" comes out, I won't be surprised. But, on the other hand, this all doesn't have to be some big plan.
1. Steal a car, because you're a thief.
2. Sit around goofing with the items you found in the car, which identify the car's owner.
3. Get bored, decide to drive over to the owner's house and rob them, since "Works 3 Jobs" is probably rarely home. Leave car nearby, but not in the driveway.
4. Tie up woman, begin to rob, don't hear (because you're deaf) that she's gotten out of her bindings and picked up a knife.
5. React to the total surprise of being stabbed in the back by shooting the woman.
6. Not have it in you to shoot a little boy. Decide to take him.
7. Realize you can't drag the little boy down the street without being seen. Steal car from driveway.
8. Drop boy at rest stop. Go home and goof around with the owner's possessions again.

:crazy:

not that this is alaughing matter but your analogy of events cracked me up steadfast.

I too think that if someone stole my car (and i just went to see an AC DC concert in Philly a few weeks back and my husband left his wallet and keys under the passenger seat) that it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to get my name (insurance card) google me - find my facebook and Myspace page (although i do keep them private) they'd also get my address off that forementioned insurance card (or drivers license in said wallet) and then mapquest directions to my house.

The kid also seems a little freaky deaky from his web pages that we've seen, perhaps after doing a little investigating he got a hard on for the poor victim and planned to not only rob her but rape her as well 9or planned to rape her and then robbed her once he killed her) - why else tie her up - you'd think a big ass gun would be enough to get her attention.

also I think having a myspace page called Mr. 3 jobs or whatever the husbands was, would be a pretty good indication that the man of the house isn't home that often.

[indians2009]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/stolen_car_used_in_womans_murd.html

"HARRISON TWP., Montgomery County - The 1999 Honda authorities believe Charlie Myers drove from Columbus to Jenny Nelson’s home on Friday, Jan. 2, was left unlocked with the keys inside when it was stolen from an Ohio State University parking lot on Dec. 17."

Oh, oh...now I am really suspicious!!

Most OSU parking lots and decks have security and cameras. It seems odd to me that out of the hundreds of cars parked there that evening that this fellow stumbled upon the one that was unlocked with the keys in it. I mean what are the odds on that? A guy going car to car in an OSU deck looking in cars is going to get caught with cameras and security. He had to have known where it was and walked right to it I am guessing.

[Kat]

Here is a map. It's not zoomable though.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/04/map.html


Thanks SuziQ! If the child was dropped off on the side of the expressway in a rest stop that runs towards C. Myers home then that makes sense.

[STEADFAST]

Steadfast, both of the pieces you cited are from yesterday. Today's they keep referencing "his role" .... and a source inside the active media here has made some interesting observations about the developing story. That's as much as I can say, sorry.

*My apologies for one post appearing six times. Some gremlin in the works.*

Maybe the papers' attorneys said for them to stop saying Myers killed her.
Don't worry about the duplicates; you can delete them.
(I had to delete a bunch of mine, too.)
Could you direct me to thepost you're referencing?

[mellybean]

The police report indicates 18 minutes after midnight on the 16th....police messed up on the date??

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/Picture6-1.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/Picture8.png

Could be they mixed it up - I don't understand the different date/time columns in your links, colomom, but the concert didn't even start until 7 p.m. on 12/16: http://snipurl.com/9jrri [events_columbusalive_com]

[indians2009]

There is something that's just not right about what we know so far, I agree with the some of the other posters.

The reason I think it's not setting right with me right now is that this crime seems to have involved quite a bit of planning. Do you think?

1.Steal the car and hide it for approximately two weeks
2. Use the car to drive to the residence of the the car owner
3. Enter the home when the male that resides there isn't home
4. Steal yet another car for the trip home.

What am I missing? This just seems so far fetched for one person. I know that C. Myers has a record but how quickly do criminals graduate from B&E's to aggravated murder and kidnapping?

If he just wanted to rape her he would have been golden if he wouldn't have stolen anything. Just left the car at her house and took the bus back to Columbus. I really think he would have never been caught unless he started bragging. Who would think to look in Columbus for a rape that happened in Dayton. One of the dumbest criminals ever, he hung himself.

[Kat]

He would have been golden if he wouldn't have stolen anything and took the car to columbus. Idiot should have just taken the bus back and never stolen and used the phone. What a baffoon, kids nowadays I tell you. I guess I should rephrase that before I offend someone, some kids.

Reminds me of that cartoon "What a maroon" I think it was bugs bunny:)

[Larkin]

Here are the charges ... eight counts of murder, etc.

http://snipurl.com/9jsu1


Boy, when Mat Heck throws the book at somebody, he throws hard. It will be interesting to see if he can make the case hold together.

[SuziQ]

I wonder what the stats are regarding the use of cell phones contributing to crime solving?

[STEADFAST]

Here are the charges ... eight counts of murder, etc.

http://snipurl.com/9jsu1


Boy, when Mat Heck throws the book at somebody, he throws hard. It will be interesting to see if he can make the case hold together.
From your link:
Nelson, 29, broke free from her restraints, grabbed a knife and then stabbed Myers in the back while he was trying to have sexual contact with the boy, investigators said.

:eek: I didn't know that part.

[SuziQ]

Oh my....did you notice this (from that article SuziQ):

"Her little boy was then allegedly kidnapped and left unharmed at a Madison County rest stop."

First time I have seen it referred to that way.

Weirder and weirder....

That is a weird way to phrase that. Because no matter how you look at this case, IMO, the little boy was kidnapped.

[MeoW333]

A man arrested in the slaying of a young mother had her cell phone in his apartment when investigators came to question him, court documents show.
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/article/20090106/UPDATES01/90106022

I don't know who made the call to Myers' cell phone, but Jennifer's cell phone was in Myers' possession.

Did he call on her cellphone or text? He's deaf so i'm guessing he texted himself from her phone? That sounds ridiculous and stupid he's not aware that they can trace cell phones or laptops?

[Kat]

From your link:
Nelson, 29, broke free from her restraints, grabbed a knife and then stabbed Myers in the back while he was trying to have sexual contact with the boy, investigators said.

:eek: I didn't know that part.

:furious:

[Larkin]

Steadfast, I don't have a link for the curiously circumspect coverage from today (especially curious in light of the article with the charges) as I actually read it in the print edition (how old fashioned!) this morning. It was the front page story.

As far as the Gross Sexual Imposition charge (and I agree :eek:), it's unfortunate that the boy wasn't "shielded" from the release of this information, as he will ever after be known as the boy whose Mother was killed trying to save him from being raped. Jenny Nelson truly is a hero.

[indians2009]

Well that is so messed up. To see some freak trying to molest your child, she did exactly what I would have done. I don't really like people with young kids having guns around but in a case like this I would have blown the sob to hell. This new stuff makes me assume he molested this little boy in the car before letting him out at the rest area. If he did molest this boy then I guess now I feel daddy had nothing to do with this one.

Edited to add: It is possible he did not molest the child but if he was hell bent on molesting him right there with him mom there. It makes me wonder why he wouldn't have if he had him alone once Jenny was shot. I so hope he did not molest this baby but they confiscated the vibrator, underwear of someone and some sexual enhancement toy.

[MeoW333]

This article: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/01/06/myers.ART_ART_01-06-09_A1_3MCEC26.html?sid=101 is pretty clear about the stabbing...

"A Dayton-area mother stabbed her attacker in the back before the man shot her dead, robbed her house, kidnapped her 4-year-old and abandoned the child at a highway rest area."

"One of Myers' roommates had told their landlord that afternoon that Myers had been stabbed in the back while walking home from the bus at 3 a.m. Saturday."

So!! We have room mates, that probably explains the reference to 3 men questioned.

ETA: doesn't the article's reference to "investigators" VS "source" give it more credence?

Guilty people fail to go to the hospital or at least file a police report after getting stabbed in the back. I know i would file a report if someone even attempted to stab me in the back..

[LucyVino]

This just disgusts me! So sad this poor little boy will now be without his mother who died trying to save him. I don't know what's going on in this world, it's so upsetting. I have always said I would never have a gun but lately I've been thinking more and more of getting one you just never know, what a crazy story this is...

[Larkin]

Indians,
DDN reports that the bloody underwear belongs to Myers. http://snipurl.com/9jsu1

[STEADFAST]

Steadfast, I don't have a link for the curiously circumspect coverage from today (especially curious in light of the article with the charges) as I actually read it in the print edition (how old fashioned!) this morning. It was the front page story.

As far as the Gross Sexual Imposition charge (and I agree :eek:), it's unfortunate that the boy wasn't "shielded" from the release of this information, as he will ever after be known as the boy whose Mother was killed trying to save him from being raped. Jenny Nelson truly is a hero.

That's what I was thinking -- the child's picture is everywhere!

If you remember one exact phrase from the print edition that you read this morning, I can find it on line.

On the other hand, whatever phrasing the papers are using, I think DNA is going to nail this one down.

Also, any tiny suspicions I may have had about the husband are hearby unsuspiced. Doesn't sound like a murder for hire or anything like that. Not with the sexual assault on the child.

[Kat]

Did anyone else think about the Jenkins family on C. Myers myspace? :::shudders:::: you just never know, do you?

[KR2tonenow]

I see what you're saying, and if some other "complication" comes out, I won't be surprised. But, on the other hand, this all doesn't have to be some big plan.
1. Steal a car, because you're a thief.
2. Sit around goofing with the items you found in the car, which identify the car's owner.
3. Get bored, decide to drive over to the owner's house and rob them, since "Works 3 Jobs" is probably rarely home. Leave car nearby, but not in the driveway.
4. Tie up woman, begin to rob, don't hear (because you're deaf) that she's gotten out of her bindings and picked up a knife.
5. React to the total surprise of being stabbed in the back by shooting the woman.
6. Not have it in you to shoot a little boy. Decide to take him.
7. Realize you can't drag the little boy down the street without being seen. Steal car from driveway.
8. Drop boy at rest stop. Go home and goof around with the owner's possessions again.

That's plainly saying it. Where is the article that says the boy was sexually molested?

[SuziQ]

Well that is so messed up. To see some freak trying to molest your child, she did exactly what I would have done. I don't really like people with young kids having guns around but in a case like this I would have blown the sob to hell. This new stuff makes me assume he molested this little boy in the car before letting him out at the rest area. If he did molest this boy then I guess now I feel daddy had nothing to do with this one.

Edited to add: It is possible he did not molest the child but if he was hell bent on molesting him right there with him mom there. It makes me wonder why he wouldn't have if he had him alone once Jenny was shot. I so hope he did not molest this baby but they confiscated the vibrator, underwear of someone and some sexual enhancement toy.

He was injured, it doesn't say how though. :(

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/man_drove_from_columbus_to_hav.html

(snip)
The 4-year-old boy was taken for a medical exam shortly after he was found at the rest stop. He is expected to recover from his physical injuries, Eddie Nelson said on NBC’s Today Show Monday.

[STEADFAST]

That's plainly saying it. Where is the article that says the boy was sexually molested?
http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/man_drove_from_columbus_to_hav.html

[KR2tonenow]

thanks SQ and SF, good grief!

[MeoW333]

Good Lord, what went on during the time he left the murder scene and ditched the boy at a reststop??

Most likely when the wallet got stolen, they had a picture of the boy in it. Then El Sicko decides to stalk his prey

"They also found shotgun shells, printed directions to the Nelson home, a day planner with a picture of a child and keys to the stolen Honda."
http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/man_drove_from_columbus_to_hav.html

The picture of a child was the boy!

[Larkin]

Yes, Steadfast I agree about the father, can't imagine he'd be involved with the sexual assault of his own child. I suppose Myers fixated on the photograph of the boy and then went for him. That was the missing puzzle piece.

I found the DDN piece from today online. http://snipurl.com/9jupr Though Myers is identified by name as doing certain things-- going to the house, stealing the computers, he is never identified as the attacker. Of course, all of that is out the window with the announcement of the charges and you are probably right that the paper's attorneys said to tone it down.

Since I live here, I will probably cover this trial-- it is really a bizarre case, and if they make it a capital murder trial it raises all kinds of questions about disability, childhood trauma and so forth. I hope Young Will gets a whole lot of help and the circle of violence ends with Myers.

[SuziQ]

This makes me think that the boy was a preplanned target. Probably based on info Charles gleaned from items he found in the car.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/man_drove_from_columbus_to_hav.html

(snip)
It is unclear how Myers knew Jenny and Eddie Nelson had a 4-year-old son. It was Myers who allegedly stole the Nelsons’ Honda from an Ohio State University parking lot on Dec. 17.

[STEADFAST]

Good Lord, what went on during the time he left the murder scene and ditched the boy at a reststop??

Most likely when the wallet got stolen, they had a picture of the boy in it. Then El Sicko decides to stalk his prey

"They also found shotgun shells, printed directions to the Nelson home, a day planner with a picture of a child and keys to the stolen Honda."
http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2009/01/06/man_drove_from_columbus_to_hav.html

The picture of a child was the boy!

I think you're right. I don't think he drove down there just to rob them anymore. I think he planned to molest the boy there. Just goes to show how dangerous it is to have your children's pictures on the internet.

[MeoW333]

I think you're right. I don't think he drove down there just to rob them anymore. I think he planned to molest the boy there. Just goes to show how dangerous it is to have your children's pictures on the internet.

I think he may of taken the laptop and the cellphone to see if there were more pictures of the boy on them as well.. some kind of sick obsession:furious:

[colomom]

OMG....I was right!!!

When I saw that reference to the picture of the boy....I just knew it.

It appears that this was all about William. Poor little guy.

[STEADFAST]

Did anyone else think about the Jenkins family on C. Myers myspace? :::shudders:::: you just never know, do you?

They may be very lucky Myers was arrested.

[colomom]

I think you're right. I don't think he drove down there just to rob them anymore. I think he planned to molest the boy there. Just goes to show how dangerous it is to have your children's pictures on the internet.

I didn't see many pictures of William when looking through the myspace pages. I think it was the photo found among the stolen items from the Honda. The picture was in Myers' apartment.

I think he stole the computers because they are easy to pawn.

[Kat]

I didn't see many pictures of William when looking through the myspace pages. I think it was the photo found among the stolen items from the Honda. The picture was in Myers' apartment.

I think he stole the computers because they are easy to pawn.

ITA, the computers and electronic equipment were an afterthought. It never made sense that he would go there and only take those items leaving behind other valuables (why not clean the house out of as many valuables as you could carry?). That's one of the things that sat wrong with me.

[LucyVino]

As far as the computers being stolen, didn't his Myspace say he worked with computers or went to school to learn computer maintenance or something similar. Maybe he just wanted them for himself.

[colomom]

As far as the computers being stolen, didn't his Myspace say he worked with computers or went to school to learn computer maintenance or something similar. Maybe he just wanted them for himself.

True Lucy....I know, as a tech geek myself, I covet computers. That would make sense about the video game system too.

Of course, I would never steal one....

[Kat]

As far as the computers being stolen, didn't his Myspace say he worked with computers or went to school to learn computer maintenance or something similar. Maybe he just wanted them for himself.

I found this on his myspace stats:

Charlie's Schools
Ohio School For The Deaf
Columbus, OH
Graduated: N/A
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
Major: computer program
Greek: Alpha Delta Gamma

In an earlier article the Ohio School for the Deaf had confirmed that he had attended school there but did not confirm he had graduated. Makes me wonder if the major of computer program was just wishful thinking?

[Kat]

I was looking at his myspace again:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=249434241&albumId=201543

[MeoW333]

I was looking at his myspace again:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=249434241&albumId=201543

Who is the little boy in the picture with him, and i hope to God he wasn't harmed as well..

[colomom]

I was looking at his myspace again:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=249434241&albumId=201543

Oh, oh....that does not look good.

[LucyVino]

He has a tranny commenting on his picture showing his "guns". Uggh he sickens me...

[Kat]

He has a tranny commenting on his picture showing his "guns". Uggh he sickens me...

If that is the same one I saw on his myspace top friends, he and his sister are friends with that particular friend. C. Myers sister has commented on that particular friends myspace several times.

[colette]

He could have seen pictures of the boy on the cell phone in the first stolen car. His bike was also in the car, wrapped up for Christmas. Maybe that is why he broke in, to get the boy or even the mother. There could have been lots of pictures on that phone, he may have become obsessed with the boy or mom... after looking at the above photos on myspace... it was probably the boy.

[MeoW333]

He could have seen pictures of the boy on the cell phone in the first stolen car. His bike was also in the car, wrapped up for Christmas. Maybe that is why he broke in, to get the boy or even the mother. There could have been lots of pictures on that phone, he may have become obsessed with the boy or mom... after looking at the above photos on myspace... it was probably the boy.

I think he took the laptop as well, as he'd know there would be more pictures of the boy on it.

[LucyVino]

If that is the same one I saw on his myspace top friends, he and his sister are friends with that particular friend. C. Myers sister has commented on that particular friends myspace several times.

Wonderful. I guess I should look at his Myspace a little more but I really don't want to.

[colette]

Well here it is...the target WAS the boy. He probably saw pictures of him on their cell phone, Mom died trying to save her son from that monster.

""Investigators said Myers, armed with a shotgun and sexual devices, drove from Columbus on Friday in the Nelson family's 1999 Honda Accord, stolen from an Ohio State parking garage on Dec. 17; kicked opened the front door of the Nelson home; and tied Jenny Nelson up.

Myers intended to have sexual contact with her 4-year-old son, Montgomery County Sheriff Phil Plummer said.""

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/07/ddn010709myers.html

[Filly]

Did he call on her cellphone or text? He's deaf so i'm guessing he texted himself from her phone? That sounds ridiculous and stupid he's not aware that they can trace cell phones or laptops?


That was what I was thinking about, M. Obviously he had to text. Hearing, deaf, blind no matter he's one stupid, evil freak.

This can't get any sadder.

I hope somebody coldcocks him in the other eyeball. May God help those poor people in Jenny's family and Bless the mother who so valiantly fought to save her baby.

On another note about this creep. Looks like he lived with Madelynne St. Jaymes. Perhaps a roomie at one time from the sisters comments. He could have even been her "drag *itch". Important to note that all tranny's are not bad people and would never hurt a child. I doubt Madelynne St. Jaymes had any knowledge this POS would hurt a baby.

Whoever Betty Jo is I hope she's thanking her stars.

[Filly]

On a side note there's a Charles Jacob Myers who is a sex offender. He's from Columbus, Ohio. The age is 52. The offense is rape of a child/female back in 1991.

It's a common name, but what's the chance it's the guy's father?

[Kat]

Well here it is...the target WAS the boy. He probably saw pictures of him on their cell phone, Mom died trying to save her son from that monster.

""Investigators said Myers, armed with a shotgun and sexual devices, drove from Columbus on Friday in the Nelson family's 1999 Honda Accord, stolen from an Ohio State parking garage on Dec. 17; kicked opened the front door of the Nelson home; and tied Jenny Nelson up.

Myers intended to have sexual contact with her 4-year-old son, Montgomery County Sheriff Phil Plummer said.""

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/07/ddn010709myers.html

Thanks for the links Colette, I appreciate it. I can't imagine what the mother must have gone through, much less the baby boy. Strange that C. Myers dropped him off, strange but lucky for baby boy.

[Kat]

That was what I was thinking about, M. Obviously he had to text. Hearing, deaf, blind no matter he's one stupid, evil freak.

This can't get any sadder.

I hope somebody coldcocks him in the other eyeball. May God help those poor people in Jenny's family and Bless the mother who so valiantly fought to save her baby.

On another note about this creep. Looks like he lived with Madelynne St. Jaymes. Perhaps a roomie at one time from the sisters comments. He could have even been her "drag *itch". Important to note that all tranny's are not bad people and would never hurt a child. I doubt Madelynne St. Jaymes had any knowledge this POS would hurt a baby.

Whoever Betty Jo is I hope she's thanking her stars.

I didn't catch that, good catch. I wonder if MSJ could be a relative? Since both C. Myers and his sister seem to know this person. Don't know. It appears at one time that MSJ was a Qualified Contestant for the for The 2008 Miss Ohio Gay Pride Pageant and held the title of First Alternate to Miss Columbus Gay Pride. It looks like that contest was in Nov 2007.
http://ohiogaypride.com/qualified/
Yes, I agree an alternate lifestyle doesn't mean the person is bad or would hurt a child.


On a side note there's a Charles Jacob Myers who is a sex offender. He's from Columbus, Ohio. The age is 52. The offense is rape of a child/female back in 1991.

It's a common name, but what's the chance it's the guy's father?

This would be interesting to rule out. I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I'm learning from all you all:)

[MeoW333]

That was what I was thinking about, M. Obviously he had to text. Hearing, deaf, blind no matter he's one stupid, evil freak.

This can't get any sadder.

I hope somebody coldcocks him in the other eyeball. May God help those poor people in Jenny's family and Bless the mother who so valiantly fought to save her baby.

On another note about this creep. Looks like he lived with Madelynne St. Jaymes. Perhaps a roomie at one time from the sisters comments. He could have even been her "drag *itch". Important to note that all tranny's are not bad people and would never hurt a child. I doubt Madelynne St. Jaymes had any knowledge this POS would hurt a baby.

Whoever Betty Jo is I hope she's thanking her stars.

No doubt he will get more than coldcocked once more inmates find out about what he did. They hate child molesters and perverts.

Myers had a sick obsession with that boy..

I think he may have actually called his own cellphone with Jenny's phone to get her number saved. (don't know why he would call twice) maybe in his stupid mind he figured they won't suspect him since a deaf person wouldn't call anyone. He's one of the stupider criminals out there.

"Myers then shot Nelson twice in the abdomen with his shotgun and fled in an Oldsmobile Alero belonging to a Nelson relative, taking the 4-year-old boy, two computers and Nelson's cell phone with him, investigators said."
http://www.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/man_charged_in_dayton_womans_killing/11503/

IMO, i really believe that this whole case is centered around Myer's obsession with the boy. He probably was thinking on kidnapping the boy to abuse him further and then realized where would he keep him (having roommates and all). I think he stole the 2 computers for more pictures of the boy.

Jenny Nelson is really a hero, she lost her life trying to protect her son

[MeoW333]

http://www.wtte28.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/wtte_vid_1285.shtml

"It now appears Charlie Myers may have targeted another woman.

Sky Cunningham says her car was stolen last year and her purse was taken from the DJ booth where she was working at Skully's Bar and Grill.

Similar to the case of 29-year-old Jenny Nelson in Dayton, police say Myers got away with the car Cunningham was driving and her personal information.

Cunningham says the next day, Myers went to her house, but a male roommate answered the door.

She says Myers ran away, but Cunningham wonders what may have happened if she had answered the door alone."

..i wonder if she had a young son as well

[Kat]

http://www.wtte28.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/wtte_vid_1285.shtml

"It now appears Charlie Myers may have targeted another woman.

Sky Cunningham says her car was stolen last year and her purse was taken from the DJ booth where she was working at Skully's Bar and Grill.

Similar to the case of 29-year-old Jenny Nelson in Dayton, police say Myers got away with the car Cunningham was driving and her personal information.

Cunningham says the next day, Myers went to her house, but a male roommate answered the door.

She says Myers ran away, but Cunningham wonders what may have happened if she had answered the door alone."

..i wonder if she had a young son as well

I did a search for Sky C. in Ohio on Myspace. One profile popped up. The profile was listed as in C-bus in OH. Female, aged 25. Last login was 06 Jan 2009. Job listed as: Inventory Coordinator by day, DJ by night. Children: Undecided. I looked under pics and did not see any children other that two children that the profile owner identified as herself as a child and her older brother as a child (among other family pictures). Looks like a fun loving young lady is all.

I wonder did she file a police report?

[Kat]

I plugged in the address for Skullys Bar and Grill : 1151 N High St

and the address C. Myers: 70 McMillen Ave

It popped up as a driving distance of: 0.5 mi – about 2 mins

That's assuming he lived at that address during the time that Sky C. had her purse stolen. He could easily walk that.

[Kat]

I recieved a message from someone that is trying to sign up for this site(I was contacted on a social networking site:)). This person had some very interesting things to share. These are their findings not mine.

1. Sky C. and Jenny N. were targeted close to the same time of the year. Jenny N. reported her car stolen on DEC 17, 2008. Sky C. according to messages on her Myspace account show that her car was stolen on or around DEC 12, 2007.

Info from Sky C. messages: (sent to me)
Dec 12, 2007 9:20 PM
Im so sorry about your car. I have forwarded the bulletin to all my friends. I hope your things will be found soon..
CARE

Dec 12, 2007 5:50 PM
i am so sorry about your car!
if theres anything i can do..i am here!!
xoxo
keep ur chin up
_________________________________

Also, it would appear that C. Myers and MSJ were more than just roomies/friends.

Under a pic folder on MSJ myspace we see many pics of C.Myers and one in fact talks about the first sunset "Charlie and I shared". So they were more than roomies if we are to believe MSJ.

It looks like there may be more to this story.

[Filly]

O.K. now I want to know what this Madelynne's birth name is.

[mysteriew]

Well here it is...the target WAS the boy. He probably saw pictures of him on their cell phone, Mom died trying to save her son from that monster.

""Investigators said Myers, armed with a shotgun and sexual devices, drove from Columbus on Friday in the Nelson family's 1999 Honda Accord, stolen from an Ohio State parking garage on Dec. 17; kicked opened the front door of the Nelson home; and tied Jenny Nelson up.

Myers intended to have sexual contact with her 4-year-old son, Montgomery County Sheriff Phil Plummer said.""

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/07/ddn010709myers.html

That gives me the shivers, it sounds so much like Duncan.

[Kat]

O.K. now I want to know what this Madelynne's birth name is.

I haven't been able to locate that Filly. I did come across a video of C. Myers speaking but I can't listen to it because my kid's have moved my earphones. I'll try to listen when they get home and give them back to me.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/07/ddn010709myersweb.html

Just click on the media player at the bottom of the article. I also went back to C. Myers myspace today and saw that people have been venting to his blogs by posting. A lot of ugly stuff there, be warned if you go look. However, a girl on his friends list identifies herself as the "betty joe" and she states she is not into men.

He also has another poster there on his blog responses that says she is his cousin and she does appear on his friends list.

[Filly]

Thank you so much Kat. You rock with the good headsup.

Upon further review and how I missed it I don't know, but MSJ is in school studying ASL. Now did she figure on doing this after she met a deaf lover or is that how they met originally. She also mentions she loves language, and ASL is a beautiful language.

Also looking again I see MSJ purchased a pet for CM. On their Christmas together which would be December 2007 judging from the sister's comment in September.

The other creepy thing is how MSJ took a picture of CM wearing the clothes she purchased for him. Makes ya wonder if he indeed is not gay and was all messed up in his head living with tranny's? Then again he's a murderer and hurts little kids so who cares? Thief, murderer, and pedophile.

[Kat]

Thank you so much Kat. You rock with the good headsup.

Upon further review and how I missed it I don't know, but MSJ is in school studying ASL. Now did she figure on doing this after she met a deaf lover or is that how they met originally. She also mentions she loves language, and ASL is a beautiful language.

Also looking again I see MSJ purchased a pet for CM. On their Christmas together which would be December 2007 judging from the sister's comment in September.

The other creepy thing is how MSJ took a picture of CM wearing the clothes she purchased for him. Makes ya wonder if he indeed is not gay and was all messed up in his head living with tranny's? Then again he's a murderer and hurts little kids so who cares? Thief, murderer, and pedophile.

I have to get off the computer now because my kids are home:D But, here is something I was tracking today, a discussion on another forum, it never really went far, but it's interesting none the less...

"Charlie Myers has now been charged ... and having weapons while under disability" (I left out all the other charges for clarity)

Now the other board goes on to state that the Ohio statute for this is : Ohio Code 2923.13

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.13

Wonder which one of these is why he can't have a firearm? Juvie record? Or mental issues?

ETA: I didn't see he/she was taking that class either, interesting.

[mysteriew]

Can anyone tell me what the legal definition of Gross Sexual Imposition is? And how it differs from rape?

I always thought that GSI involved touching without penetration. But given that LE removed bloody underwear from Myer's home I take it that he may have kept a "trophy." And that makes it sound as though more than touching took place.

[Megs]

Can anyone tell me what the legal definition of Gross Sexual Imposition is? And how it differs from rape?

I always thought that GSI involved touching without penetration. But given that LE removed bloody underwear from Myer's home I take it that he may have kept a "trophy." And that makes it sound as though more than touching took place.

From researching a bit, it seems ALOT falls under this -

-Force or threat
-Impaired power to resist
-Victim unaware
-Victim less than 15 (ages vary according to state)
-Mental disease or defect

It is a sexual act with one of the things listed above - for instance, there was a paramedic who fondled people when they were strapped down (impaired power to resist) that was charged with GSI