COLD CASES and psychics,numerologists,etc...

[froggie]

i was wondering if there is anyone out there
who knows of any cases
that were solved
with the help of
psychics,astrologers,clairivoyants,numerologists,e tc ?

i don't know much about that stuff--i'm just curious

the reason i was wondering is this
i was watching tv the other day
there was a case of a missing person that the authorities had not yet found
and i saw where a psychic had drawn a picture of a location
she then sent it to police stating that they would find a body in that location
i then saw the location on tv
the location and picture she drew of it were exact
i was very surprised and very impressed

i'd just like to know if there are anymore cases that anyone else knows of
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spiritual / moral issues reguarding the
use of astrologers, psychics, etc...
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i would also like to know how you think psychics, astrologers, etc... are recieved by law enforcement as a general rule
(my opinion is that they are not well recieved)

for instance, if someone contacted a police department and offered to help a family find thier loved one ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS through the use of astrology and or psychic powers...

do you think law enforcement ususally forwards contact info of the astrologer or psychic ?

or

do you think they would refuse to pass the information along based upon thier own beliefs...by that i mean thier spiritual/moral beliefs ?(many people do not agree with the use of astrology and or psychics to solve crimes because of thier religious beliefs )

this is the big question --
do you think it is WRONG for law enforcement to refuse to give a family the contact info of a psychic and or astrologer WHO WORKS ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS ?

personally, i think it's wrong for law enforcement to do that if they know of a psychic and or astrologer that is willing to help a family find a loved one...but that is just my opinion
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another big question

does anyone know of any psychics, astrologers,etc...
that work on a VOLUNTARY basis for families of missing persons ?

( i am asking because i know someone whose family member is missing--they
don't have the money to pay someone to help them )


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all posting should be by those who know of a case that was solved with the help of psychics, etc
or
are interested in this subject matter and sincerely and respectfully want to participate in the discussion



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[froggie]

http://www.thepsychics.co.uk/sylvia-browne.htm

[froggie]

http://www.shotfreeinmontana.com/bible/astrology.htm

"the bible formids the MISUSE of astrology, but incorporates ASTROLOGICAL SYMBOLISM into it's text and makes clear that astrology was a prominent part of ancient israeli life.
isaiah 47:13-15
names what seems to be
2 kinds of approaches to astrology
and a type of astrological practice.
these verses are quoted as proof that the bible is against astrology..
BUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY MEANT
is that the astrologer may see forth coming evil from prior transgressions...
but it is not the place of astrology to avoid God's will.
indeed, the harmonizing of life with heaven's will is a basic purpose of all spiritual sciences."

i think what this writer is TRYING to say is that the bible says you can use astrology like you can use a gun...in the hands of a criminal...it's a bad thing...in the hands of a well meaning person...it can be a good thing...
for instance, a person can use astrology to help find a missing person, but should not use astrology to try to figure out when they are going to die...
you get the point ...

it is my understanding that astrology is based on a sort of poetic language that makes associations based upon the meanings of planets, etc...
like the sun rules leo and leo stands for authorities,kings,rulers,etc..
and venus rules libra and libra stands for justice,legal matters,contracts,etc..

it is also my understanding that psychics and astrologers operate 'differently'
astrologers are more scientific and mathematical in thier practice and psychics are more 'spiritual' in thier practice

i don't know much about psychics,astrology, etc...if anyone knows more, feel free to post your heart out.. :)

[froggie]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7707

"cover up in the jacob wetterling case ?"
"froggie's theory"

[Autumn_Saine]

i do know of an astrologer who works on a VOLUNTARY basis for families of missing persons...

someone sent me this link today...thank you whoever you are...

that website is

http://groups.msn.com/1volunteerastrologer
;)

[smile22]

ok i send the email and she said she sent it to them wating for a reply but she said they might think she is wacked out

[froggie]

tee hee
i like that

" wacked out " :clap:

[Autumn_Saine]

http://www.closure4u.com/biograp.htm

and

http://www.scils.rutgers.edu/~rhelmbre/parapsyc.html

thanks
autumn

[vicktor]

i was wondering if there is anyone out there
who knows of any cases
that were solved
with the help of
psychics,astrologers,clairivoyants,numerologists,e tc ?

i don't know much about that stuff--i'm just curious



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In 99.9% of the cases these assorted people aren't going to be of any help. Once in a while someone who claims to be psychic will see something that seems true with no explanation. For the rest, you can forget it. Better to believe in Occams Razor.

[smile22]

im not gona bash anyone but i belive in the second sight just wanted to let u all know to be carfule of what some psychis say cuz they lie

[queen_of_hearts]

i think psychics/astrologers can be helpful...i saw the report froggie was talking about...

now that does not mean that i think everyone who thinks they are psychic, or everyone who says they are psychic is actually psychic...

i tend to go more with astrology rather than psychics though

i have done an astrological analysis of the natalee case

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28470

i may do one on this case if i get time

thanks
queen_of_hearts

[shadowangel]

For those with an interest, psychic Sylvia Browne will be on Coast-to-Coast AM with George Noory tonight, Sept 8th (Friday morning, actually, 1:00am to 5:00am EST). She will be on live for the entire show, taking calls. (Yes, this is Art Bell's show). Here is a link to the list of local affiliates:http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/wheretolisten.html

[Jeana (DP)]

I think they're all full of crap, personally. My mother spent thousands and thousands of dollars on one so-called "psychic" after another for the 11 years that she was missing. For 11 years, these "psychics" ran across the small town where my sister had disappeared. It took a lone boy scout leader to find her remains.

[shadowangel]

I don't disagree. However, in my many trips around this ol' world of ours, I've seen many strange things....I do feel we all have some intuitive power (who hasn't been humming a song when getting in the car, only to have the same song playing on the radio? Or picked up the phone before it has a chance to ring?) Those who, however, claim to be able to call upon some "sixth sense" at will...? When they do it for free I'm a little more impressed. I'm especially disgusted with the types who tried to "help" your family...I've ran into them many times, and though they can locate those long dead and tell us what happened to them, they have yet to give me any winning lotto numbers. Even the Pick 3 or 4...When presented STRICTLY as entertainment, though, I don't have a problem.
*****Oh, and Happy Birthday by the way!!!!!! (I knew it without looking at the bottom of the page....:angel: :angel: :angel: )

[shelsearay]

Here is the long version of my personal experience with a psychic. My sister and I have always felt that we were led on our search for our missing family members Sheri Lynn Johnson, Freda Denman and Michael Lloyd Denman. You'll see them mentioned in Sharon Marshall's story, as well as their own thread. So one day I Googled "psychic detective". Up came a name, and I e-mailed this person. The psychic e-mailed and eventually we spoke on the phone. I had to convince this person that I had actually chosen them from a Google search and not because of their notarity. P (psychic) agreed to a reading. I was to use my credit card to and give P $250 to prove my sincerity. I thought, "I've spent more than that on frivilous things", so I gave P the information, relying on the fact this person was seen on a cable TV program. The reading lasted 2 hours. P tuned into Freda and went into extensive detail as to how she was tortured and murdered by her sociopathic husband when he found out she was going to leave him. P felt like Freda had been reincarnated, but i wasn't supposed to tell anyone that, as it did not agree with P's Catholic roots. When I asked about the children, P felt they had been sold in a transaction that landed the children in a military like, Asian enviroment. P said the girl (Sheri Lynn aged 4) was almost too old. P did not know what that meant. We discussed the people we believed were involved, P gave her opinion on each. P did not think Franklin Floyd was involved in the disappearance of Sheri Lynn or Michael; however, he did know Freda's husband. This was a long reading with many details. I came away with the skepticizm of anyone that had not been given direct answers, only the fuzzy feelings of P's intrepretation. P stated Freda's husband slit her throat and left her lay in the crawl space, basement, cellar where he had tortured her. This was supposedly in a rural area where there was the scent of burning trash, wood, etc. in the air. My sister and I moved on, concentrating on the members of the Church of the New Song that had very strong connections to Zen and other Japanese culture. No resolution, to date.
After we were given the commitment for reward funds from the Carole Sund Foundation, I was called by a Cold Case detective in an ajoining city to Independence, MO. This detective indicated they had a woman's body, that had washed out of the hills, with brown hair in 1981. They are doing DNA testing to see if it is Freda. This body was found in a remote area of the city, wooded, rocks hills, etc. If it's Freda, I'll let you know.
When I re-contacted the P regarding additional information on the children, P went off on me like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum. It appears all the public notice has caused more stress than P is able to handle. P ranted at me for at least 10 minutes and pointed out I had not fulfilled my part of our bargain. . . .. .puzzled, I had to ask what I had agreed to that I could not fulfill. I supposed to get media attention, didn't i realize, no media attention, no help from P??????? So over all - I give my experience a C-.
P should really be careful who she rants and rails at!!!! I could have sold that one to the National Inquirer.

[smile22]

there is this women who worked with police she was on unsolved and found a body or something i would do some research and check it out my dealings with p's on a personal level i think are crocks i had one tell me this and this another one tell me about the man i was going to marry, bull crap said this and this about my love life never a truth to it. i found my mr right but not from a p telling me i was. i know someone that went to a p and this p told her information only family knew. she told her about what her baby was going to look like, stuff that was going to happen to certin people but nothing bad everything she said came true it was errie

[Richard]

Just about anyone who takes a fresh look at any crime will get impressions or hunches, based on what he or she sees. Personal experience goes into it as well as a mind which can sort things out logically. Knowing or understanding the people involved allows one to "read" them, their intentions, and their actions more accurately. If you perceive that a killer is into astrology, then you can only understand him and predict his next moves by understanding astrology (or by consulting an astrologer).

The Unibomber was into planting and harvesting cycles and phases of the moon. A simple almanac and calendar could have been consulted by the FBI and they might have figured that out. They didn't, but they could have. Would it have helped them catch him? Maybe not, in and of itself, but it would have been one of the keys to his pattern.

Patterns are what most investigators are looking for. Forecasting the weather is similar. You could measure the barometric pressure, temperature, wind patterns aloft, and analyze data for the past 100 years, and come up with a good guess as to what the weather will be like tomorrow. Some people can feel the snow coming because of an arthritic toe, or maybe they can "smell" the snow coming. Some might call them "psychics". But either way, it is the patterns which help predict.

If you pick up an Arthur Conan Doyle novel about Sherlock Holmes, you will recognize the "psychic" in the character. Holmes will work on a problem but come to the ultimate conclusion using his deductive reasoning. The interesting thing is that he is always able to patiently explain his thought process to his sidekick, Dr. Watson. The ability to explain such a gift or talent is something other psychics often lack.

[mysteriew]

i was wondering if there is anyone out there
who knows of any cases
that were solved
with the help of
psychics,astrologers,clairivoyants,numerologists,e tc ?


I just posted an article today where a psychic is claiming that she gave info to LE that led them to the perp. And the LE appears to be reluctantly backing her up.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32789

I have known about these for some time.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2002/04/11/loc_friends_find_remains.html

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/12/02/oxford.html

While I don't know that I totally believe, I am not ready to totally discount the idea either.

[Marilynilpa]

Just about anyone who takes a fresh look at any crime will get impressions or hunches, based on what he or she sees. Personal experience goes into it as well as a mind which can sort things out logically. Knowing or understanding the people involved allows one to "read" them, their intentions, and their actions more accurately. If you perceive that a killer is into astrology, then you can only understand him and predict his next moves by understanding astrology (or by consulting an astrologer).

The Unibomber was into planting and harvesting cycles and phases of the moon. A simple almanac and calendar could have been consulted by the FBI and they might have figured that out. They didn't, but they could have. Would it have helped them catch him? Maybe not, in and of itself, but it would have been one of the keys to his pattern.

Patterns are what most investigators are looking for. Forecasting the weather is similar. You could measure the barometric pressure, temperature, wind patterns aloft, and analyze data for the past 100 years, and come up with a good guess as to what the weather will be like tomorrow. Some people can feel the snow coming because of an arthritic toe, or maybe they can "smell" the snow coming. Some might call them "psychics". But either way, it is the patterns which help predict.

If you pick up an Arthur Conan Doyle novel about Sherlock Holmes, you will recognize the "psychic" in the character. Holmes will work on a problem but come to the ultimate conclusion using his deductive reasoning. The interesting thing is that he is always able to patiently explain his thought process to his sidekick, Dr. Watson. The ability to explain such a gift or talent is something other psychics often lack.
Richard, your post is (as usual) concise and well-written.

While I won't say psychic ability doesn't exist, I am very skeptical. I think in many cases, a psychic makes statements that are general enough to fit a variety of circumstances. For instance, a psychic called in to assist in a murder investigation might say "the body will be found near water." Well, that will probably be true - the body could be near a river, stream, creek, ocean, pond, water fountain, or even a pool of water. No matter where the body is ultimately found, there will most likely be some kind of water nearby. So the psychic can say her prediction was true.

There are a lot of "psychic detective" shows featuring people who apparently have helped law enforcement in their investigations. How much of that help comes from "psychic" ability and how much comes from a logical thought process is hard to say. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes, looking at an investigation from a different point of view, can see things that the investigators may have overlooked. I don't consider that to be psychic ability.

[Marilynilpa]

While hypnosis doesn't fall into the category of psychics, numerology, etc., I found the following article to be of interest, so I'm posting it here:

Police use forensic hypnosis to help witnesses and victims recall events otherwise lost in memories scarred by trauma.

"In traumatic experiences, such as rape, the human process is to block (trauma) out of the mind," Payne said. "They don't want to relive it."

Hypnosis places a person in a trance state that can resemble sleep, but is instead an altered state of consciousness more like a lucid dream.

Link: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tri...h/s_399156.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_399156.html)

[mysteriew]

As someone who wants help, McGuire, 64, also searches for Patchin using a skill he claims often unlocks the unknown.

Since childhood, he has been a dowser --- someone who maintains they can plug into an energy source for guidance. The technique dates to biblical times, and thousands of people continue to use dowsing, also called water witching. They maintain they can locate lost objects and natural resources, such as underground water.

McGuire, a retired respiratory therapist, got out a map in his home in Iowa City and held a crystal over Waterloo. Then asked: Where is Jesse Patchin? Where is Jesse Patchin?

He was shown the way by a blue string dangling from to the rock, held by a snip of tape. From Waterloo, the strand traveled south and then west on U.S. Highway 20. Past Dike to Fern.

That is where McGuire feels Patchin will be found.
http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2005/11/27/news/top_story/4934394acb96fb57862570c600175d06.txt

[mysteriew]

Law enforcement officers were so stymied by the search for 8-year-old kidnap victims Shasta and Dylan Groene last summer that they began working with a psychic investigator.

Shasta was rescued alive before the tips that psychic Noreen Renier provided could be used, but Renier said she's confident that she had been able to "see" where Joseph Edward Duncan III was allegedly holding the children in a Montana forest.

Renier had a telephone conference on June 30 with Kootenai County sheriff's Detective Brad Maskell, lead investigator on the case.

"I was willing to try just about anything in an effort to rescue those two kids," Maskell said this week. "This case was the first where I actually participated in a (psychic) session. It was interesting. It was obviously unusual."

Because Duncan's murder trial is scheduled in April, Maskell said he couldn't discuss specifics of the session.

Though many things Renier told him during the session were very general and could be interpreted several ways, Maskell said some of the information was similar to what detectives learned after Duncan's arrest in the murder and kidnapping case.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_ID_Duncan_Slayings_Psychic.html