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KellioPSL
11-19-2008, 10:19 AM
There has been alot of difficulty nailing down a timeline, if we had a date of death it would make the rest of the timeline easier to determine. What was the date of death ? kc tells the 911 operator that she had not seen her daughter in 31 days. kc also sent a text message on june 24th stating "he$$, I havent even been living there in the past nine days" So, when was the date of death ?

RevCrim
11-19-2008, 12:47 PM
There has been alot of difficulty nailing down a timeline, if we had a date of death it would make the rest of the timeline easier to determine. What was the date of death ? kc tells the 911 operator that she had not seen her daughter in 31 days. kc also sent a text message on june 24th stating "he$$, I havent even been living there in the past nine days" So, when was the date of death ?

While I know it's claimed there's a video with the date of the 15th on it, I have two problems with it.

1) Kaylee does not look like the pictures of the 3 yr old we are seeing.
2) I can't get past the 14th for some reason. This day stands out to me.
Can't put my finger on it.
3) Thinking something also occurred on the 9th. You have 3 people, CA,GA, and LA.
LA claims not having seen child since 5th,(on CA's b-day which he claims KC
was not there)
GA claims last time he saw child was the 6th
CA claims last time she saw child was the 8th

One person or giving benefit of the doubt, two people may get a date wrong, but not all three.

Also, CA's mom claims CA took off for a week waiting for KC to bring child to her.
It never hapened and CA took another week off and waited again to no avail.
GrdMOM claims CA didn't go away during this time. CA claims they went to the beach and she spent this week with the child -week ending the 8th.

Then, the week of the 15th, Ca claims she told KC she was planning to go away for a few days.

This is all old info from the early days of the investigation.
It has all changed again and again.

Just my thoughts, and mine alone. Just more food for thought.
One more thought- I believe I read somewhere that CA went off on KC over taking Kaylee to a no clothes party. If so, how did CA find out- AH or LA.
CA claims LA opened up to her about a lot of stuff KC was doing over the last
months. How did LA know? He had to have contact with her and easily confided in him. What all does he KNow?

KellioPSL
11-19-2008, 01:30 PM
While I know it's claimed there's a video with the date of the 15th on it, I have two problems with it.

1) Kaylee does not look like the pictures of the 3 yr old we are seeing.
2) I can't get past the 14th for some reason. This day stands out to me.
Can't put my finger on it.
3) Thinking something also occurred on the 9th. You have 3 people, CA,GA, and LA.
LA claims not having seen child since 5th,(on CA's b-day which he claims KC
was not there)
GA claims last time he saw child was the 6th
CA claims last time she saw child was the 8th

One person or giving benefit of the doubt, two people may get a date wrong, but not all three.

Also, CA's mom claims CA took off for a week waiting for KC to bring child to her.
It never hapened and CA took another week off and waited again to no avail.
GrdMOM claims CA didn't go away during this time. CA claims they went to the beach and she spent this week with the child -week ending the 8th.

Then, the week of the 15th, Ca claims she told KC she was planning to go away for a few days.

This is all old info from the early days of the investigation.
It has all changed again and again.

Just my thoughts, and mine alone. Just more food for thought.
One more thought- I believe I read somewhere that CA went off on KC over taking Kaylee to a no clothes party. If so, how did CA find out- AH or LA.
CA claims LA opened up to her about a lot of stuff KC was doing over the last
months. How did LA know? He had to have contact with her and easily confided in him. What all does he KNow?
You bring up some very valid points that I had not considered (she does look younger in the vid from the 15th), may have to rethink the date now, this case is going to make my head explode !

Marina2
11-19-2008, 01:49 PM
Caylee was alive on the 15th of June. It is verified with a video, a sign in sheet at the nursing home where the video was taken, and statements from staff at the nursing home who saw her there that day. I'm sure CA's mother will testify to seeing her that day as well.

Coley
11-19-2008, 01:54 PM
While I know it's claimed there's a video with the date of the 15th on it, I have two problems with it.

1) Kaylee does not look like the pictures of the 3 yr old we are seeing.
2) I can't get past the 14th for some reason. This day stands out to me.
Can't put my finger on it.
3) Thinking something also occurred on the 9th. You have 3 people, CA,GA, and LA.
LA claims not having seen child since 5th,(on CA's b-day which he claims KC
was not there)
GA claims last time he saw child was the 6th
CA claims last time she saw child was the 8th

One person or giving benefit of the doubt, two people may get a date wrong, but not all three.

Also, CA's mom claims CA took off for a week waiting for KC to bring child to her.
It never hapened and CA took another week off and waited again to no avail.
GrdMOM claims CA didn't go away during this time. CA claims they went to the beach and she spent this week with the child -week ending the 8th.

Then, the week of the 15th, Ca claims she told KC she was planning to go away for a few days.

This is all old info from the early days of the investigation.
It has all changed again and again.

Just my thoughts, and mine alone. Just more food for thought.
One more thought- I believe I read somewhere that CA went off on KC over taking Kaylee to a no clothes party. If so, how did CA find out- AH or LA.
CA claims LA opened up to her about a lot of stuff KC was doing over the last
months. How did LA know? He had to have contact with her and easily confided in him. What all does he KNow?

I agree with #1. She does not look like the same age as in the picture of her vacuuming.

ETA: GA (i believe) was the one who held up the picture. I can not find it anywhere so if someone can please post.

Salem
11-19-2008, 01:59 PM
I agree that the date of death would be after June 15th. But I am not so sure it was the 16th/17th or even the evening of the 15th. I think KC had been giving Caylee drugs for a period of time and keeping her in the trunk. KC's statement about the 31 days may be just another lie. She had time to think it up, she said it to LA when she was having her "pity" party. KC tends to say things to manipulate others and I have no doubt she was trying to manipulate the situation when CA found her on July 15th.

Because KC has never stated the truth about anything, this is a very difficult thing to pin down and I have no real sense of when Caylee may have died. But I seriously question KC's 31 day comment and feel that, along with everything else, it is probably a lie.

Salem

SuziQ
11-19-2008, 04:27 PM
Everyone initially getting the date wrong (June 9th) was because Cindy got it wrong and everyone ran with that. She incorrectly recalled that Father's Day was the 9th. Casey's comment about the 31 days is the most accurate and fits exactly to the last verified sighting of Caylee.

KellioPSL
11-19-2008, 04:33 PM
Everyone initially getting the date wrong (June 9th) was because Cindy got it wrong and everyone ran with that. She incorrectly recalled that Father's Day was the 9th. Casey's comment about the 31 days is the most accurate and fits exactly to the last verified sighting of Caylee.

but what was the date of death, the 15th ? When she sent the text about not living at home for nine days that would have her leaving the home on the 15th also.

not_my_kids
11-19-2008, 04:42 PM
CA has given three different dates as the last time she saw Caylee.
GA has given two.
Casey has given two.
That is done for one reason...confusion. The date of disappearance, in this case, the date of death probably, is one of the main pieces of info investigators need. So it's one of the main peices of info that the Anthony team will obscure as much as possible.

SuziQ
11-19-2008, 04:47 PM
but what was the date of death, the 15th ? When she sent the text about not living at home for nine days that would have her leaving the home on the 15th also.

You have the fight late afternoon on the 15th, Cindy evidently trying to strangle Casey. Personally I can't imagine that Casey stayed there. I always got the feeling she ran to Lee's. He's close enough to the A's to have pinged at in the same area. She may have even just stayed in her car close by to her parents until her mom left the next morning or something.

KellioPSL
11-19-2008, 04:52 PM
You have the fight late afternoon on the 15th, Cindy evidently trying to strangle Casey. Personally I can't imagine that Casey stayed there. I always got the feeling she ran to Lee's. He's close enough to the A's to have pinged at in the same area. She may have even just stayed in her car close by to her parents until her mom left the next morning or something.

the perp(kc) was at tone's allday, on the ping map it shows her heading to the area of the a"s around 700 or 730 so the fight had to be that evening. I would really like to see the text messages between the perp (kc) and mother from that afternoon. That would help us determine whether the " big fight " occurred or not.

newuser
11-19-2008, 05:12 PM
I tried to pose the thought that none of these people really saw Caylee after the 9th here once, too. I was quickly shot down, by the facts of the video and sign in sheet from the 15th. I'm still not so sure. Some of it could be attributed to the panic of the moment the night CA called 911, but there is still statements being made the next day when they were still saying June 9th. Even the 'missing poster' had the date of June 9th on it, so it took them several days to change that story. If KC really was keeping count and KNEW it was 31 days, she wouldn't have made the mistake of stating the date of June 9th. I don't believe any thing any of them say, so my opinion is definitely tainted. I think CA did go to the nursing home on the 15th, and did sign in, but I doubt seriously that Caylee signed the log!! I think the nursing home staff, when asked, could have easily recalled seeing Caylee with CA, but not necessarily on the 15th.

I believe the date of demise is the week of June 9-15. I believe KC went to the house on the 15th and fight that occurred was because she didn't have Caylee with her.

SuziQ
11-19-2008, 05:28 PM
After the nursing home visit on June 15th, which is also dated on video, Cindy and Caylee went to visit with Cindy's mom at her home to eat Chili. It's in Cindy's mother's interview with LE.

Lisa-Rachelle
11-19-2008, 05:33 PM
What I personally cant wrap my head around is WHY KC mentions the decomp smell in text messages dating as early as June 4th (I believe). It that to say she premeditated the entire thing by weeks? She PLANNED to have a rotting body in her trunk long enough to cause that vile smell? SCARY THOUGHT.

And I also seem to remember one of the grandparents said they SAW KC and Caylee leaving the house on the 16th in the early afternoon. That means the date of death was at least June 16th or sometime after.

twitterpated
11-19-2008, 05:41 PM
What I personally cant wrap my head around is WHY KC mentions the decomp smell in text messages dating as early as June 4th (I believe). It that to say she premeditated the entire thing by weeks? She PLANNED to have a rotting body in her trunk long enough to cause that vile smell? SCARY THOUGHT.

And I also seem to remember one of the grandparents said they SAW KC and Caylee leaving the house on the 16th in the early afternoon. That means the date of death was at least June 16th or sometime after.

Did I miss that somewhere? There are text messages from June 4th that talk about the bad smell in the car???

Lisa-Rachelle
11-19-2008, 05:43 PM
I'll preface this by saying that I havent had as much time and opportunity to read through the released documents as most members have,...

BUT, I do seem to recall where she text messaged a girlfriend (maybe Amy or Annie?) in the first week of June and said something to the effect of either she or her dad ran over something in the car and it wreaked.

Lisa-Rachelle
11-19-2008, 05:47 PM
I will try and find Lee A's statements to LE. He mentions that his sister addressed the smell in the car...and it WAS DEFINITELY before Caylee went missing. That's where she gave that "oh, two dead squirrels crawled up in there (undercarriage of car) schpiel.

okiedokietoo
11-19-2008, 05:51 PM
You have the fight late afternoon on the 15th, Cindy evidently trying to strangle Casey. Personally I can't imagine that Casey stayed there. I always got the feeling she ran to Lee's. He's close enough to the A's to have pinged at in the same area. She may have even just stayed in her car close by to her parents until her mom left the next morning or something.
I totally agree with you - GA story of the 16th I put with the other dates of 5th 8th etc - find it hard believe that GA saw KC and Caylee on the 16th - no one could remember the last date Caylee was seen and then GA can name the show he was watching and the clothes that KC and Caylee were wearing???

TimeWillTell
11-19-2008, 06:31 PM
I will try and find Lee A's statements to LE. He mentions that his sister addressed the smell in the car...and it WAS DEFINITELY before Caylee went missing. That's where she gave that "oh, two dead squirrels crawled up in there (undercarriage of car) schpiel.

IIRC - the Text to Amy was on the day TL picked her up from Amscott, she told not texted Lee she started noticing the smell around the 5th (the week of Cindy's B-day)

cocoamom
11-19-2008, 09:30 PM
I agree that the date of death would be after June 15th. But I am not so sure it was the 16th/17th or even the evening of the 15th. I think KC had been giving Caylee drugs for a period of time and keeping her in the trunk. KC's statement about the 31 days may be just another lie. She had time to think it up, she said it to LA when she was having her "pity" party. KC tends to say things to manipulate others and I have no doubt she was trying to manipulate the situation when CA found her on July 15th.

Because KC has never stated the truth about anything, this is a very difficult thing to pin down and I have no real sense of when Caylee may have died. But I seriously question KC's 31 day comment and feel that, along with everything else, it is probably a lie.

Salem

Maybe it's her "backwards kind of way" and it's really 13 days??? That would be July 2 - Tony gone, friends in PR, drove his jeep because her car was towed? Hmmmm maybe...just a thought here:

Caylee was alive and drugged in the trunk at Amscot. so many days in trunk she is practically living in there from 16th to 27th when gas ran out while mom lives with Tony - sorry but graphic here - vomit, urine, etc - sure would make a smell that she might try to explain away as animal but not be such a smell that it would alert Tony's neighbors, people at Amscot or tow driver?

She was calling JG, Amy and everyone trying to get a gas can and gas...needed to get the car out of there before it gets towed....checks on the car occasionally while running around "literally in circles" trying to get gas and/or can. Explains multiple pings at the "church tower" some lasting hours, others lasting 15-30 minutes, more than a drive by. Finds out car is towed. Pings down South by tow yard (trying to get to Caylee in trunk) can't tell anyone "hey my kid is drugged in the trunk so I need my car"...Caylee perishes before she can get to her and could be mom and dad's fault because they waited so long to get the car back!!!

By the time KC could get to the car, baby Caylee had perished in the heat (2.6 days from 27th to 30th), etc. at the tow yard - leaking, smell, get body out of trunk and into whatever container and dump...throw bag of trash in trunk to try to explain and cover smell? Use Tony's jeep to get rid of body in sealed container (Rubbermaid storage bin? Suitcase? whatever) so no leaking or smell in his jeep - car wash before getting him at airport, just in case....

Does this work? I think I have holes but just an idea...

RJOINNH
11-20-2008, 11:23 AM
Everyone initially getting the date wrong (June 9th) was because Cindy got it wrong and everyone ran with that. She incorrectly recalled that Father's Day was the 9th. Casey's comment about the 31 days is the most accurate and fits exactly to the last verified sighting of Caylee.
I'm sorry but KC's claim of not seeing her daughter for 31 days is one of the most inaccurate things she has said (but then again just another lie).
Why?????? did she specifically say 31 days?????
If you go back 31 days from July 15th it brings you to June 14th......and that makes absolutely no sense if she was with KC at the A's home on the 15th and 16th the day GA said he saw her and Caylee before he left for work!!!!!!!!
Again.....lies that do not fit!!!!!!!

KellioPSL
11-20-2008, 11:50 AM
I'm sorry but KC's claim of not seeing her daughter for 31 days is one of the most inaccurate things she has said (but then again just another lie).
Why?????? did she specifically say 31 days?????
If you go back 31 days from July 15th it brings you to June 14th......and that makes absolutely no sense if she was with KC at the A's home on the 15th and 16th the day GA said he saw her and Caylee before he left for work!!!!!!!!
Again.....lies that do not fit!!!!!!!

I thought the same thing, look at a calendar, start at July 15th (including the15th) count back to june 15, don't add just count.

Whyamisointerested
11-20-2008, 03:44 PM
I have never trusted from day one GA ,CA,LA or KC this is the weirdest mp case I have ever seen and i think that it why were all attracted to it!! Really though I don't believe 100% anything they have said. I always thought GA was lying about the 16th ALWAYS..watch that interview ..again..The sign in at the Nursing home doesnt make sense either. I have brought my 3yr old in before and she never signed in.just me. I think the nurses could have easily had their dates mixed up..I don't know if the 16th is the right day ..hmm

KellioPSL
11-22-2008, 02:33 PM
kc was zanaxing caylee, on 6/06 she goes to fusion, she tells ah and ric that her boss sent her there to check on daughter ric states that she showed up at his apartment at around 11:30 that night, with caylee and they spent the night. Earlier when kc was at fusion who was watching caylee ? She was zanaxed and in the trunk of the car. (I wonder if le asked ric if caylee was only wearing a diper when kc brought her in the apartment) kc zanaxed caylee numerous times between 6/1 and 6/16. I'm sure there was a fight on the 15th but it is irrelevant, I'm sure there were alot of fights. The 16th of June, the call from the a's home to kc's cell was probably to tell kc to get up and come out of her room and take care of her daughter. I believe ga did see kc and caylee leave at 12:50, but they didnt go far, they were right by the a's home waiting for ga to go to work, after ga left they came back. kc then leaves the a's house heading toward tones, she starts making phone calls ga ca ah, she was trying to get someone to watch caylee. Then it looks like she stops somewhere on the way to tone's. she stopped probably took caylee's sipee cup that had juice in it, and crushed up a zanax in it, she waited then for her to go to sleep, took caylee's clothes off, and put her in the trunk. Off to tone's and leaves her car in the parking lot with Caylee in the trunk asleep, this time was different though, she either had chloroform in a container in her trunk or spilled some in her trunk, anyway because of the chloroform there was no oxygen and caylee was probably dead before she even got to tone's. I bet that she checked on her sometime that evening and knew that she was dead. I dont think she did this on purpose but when kc zanaxed her that was felonious assault and death during the comission of felonious assault is 1st degree murder. So date of death imho was early evening on june 16th. (thank you Joyce for pointing out the ping info for the 16th and thank you bondjamesbond for idea of what all the calls were about that aftrenoon)

passionflower
11-22-2008, 02:55 PM
kc was zanaxing caylee, on 6/06 she goes to fusion, she tells ah and ric that her boss sent her there to check on daughter ric states that she showed up at his apartment at around 11:30 that night, with caylee and they spent the night. Earlier when kc was at fusion who was watching caylee ? She was zanaxed and in the trunk of the car. (I wonder if le asked ric if caylee was only wearing a diper when kc brought her in the apartment) kc zanaxed caylee numerous times between 6/1 and 6/16. I'm sure there was a fight on the 15th but it is irrelevant, I'm sure there were alot of fights. The 16th of June, the call from the a's home to kc's cell was probably to tell kc to get up and come out of her room and take care of her daughter. I believe ga did see kc and caylee leave at 12:50, but they didnt go far, they were right by the a's home waiting for ga to go to work, after ga left they came back. kc then leaves the a's house heading toward tones, she starts making phone calls ga ca ah, she was trying to get someone to watch caylee. Then it looks like she stops somewhere on the way to tone's. she stopped probably took caylee's sipee cup that had juice in it, and crushed up a zanax in it, she waited then for her to go to sleep, took caylee's clothes off, and put her in the trunk. Off to tone's and leaves her car in the parking lot with Caylee in the trunk asleep, this time was different though, she either had chloroform in a container in her trunk or spilled some in her trunk, anyway because of the chloroform there was no oxygen and caylee was probably dead before she even got to tone's. I bet that she checked on her sometime that evening and knew that she was dead. I dont think she did this on purpose but when kc zanaxed her that was felonious assault and death during the comission of felonious assault is 1st degree murder. So date of death imho was early evening on june 16th.

This would answer why Caylee had no clothes on.......What temp was it in FLA on that night..........I bet very hot!

passionflower
11-22-2008, 03:00 PM
at some party (after Caylee was missing???) didn't KC cry and carry on to friends about a miscarriage (death of Caylee) and everyone comforted her in the bathroom for hours because she would not come out???? Hald truths??? was that the only time she broke down? the date could be important......she could of buried her that date?????

tfrohning
11-22-2008, 03:42 PM
I want to know if the Strangle thing really happen. is there a statement beside LP?

KellioPSL
11-22-2008, 03:43 PM
at some party (after Caylee was missing???) didn't KC cry and carry on to friends about a miscarriage (death of Caylee) and everyone comforted her in the bathroom for hours because she would not come out???? Hald truths??? was that the only time she broke down? the date could be important......she could of buried her that date?????

I know I wrote that down but cant find it, looks like a bunker in my computer room , sticky notes, hand written maps, I'll find it eventually ! I think that was before she went missing, but if its the party I'm thinking of, I think she was in the trunk knocked out by the zanax. (its hard to even type that) I'll post when I find it. I'm going to go day by day until I get each one figured out. So much info and cross-referencing.

ladonna
11-22-2008, 03:57 PM
kc was zanaxing caylee, on 6/06 she goes to fusion, she tells ah and ric that her boss sent her there to check on daughter ric states that she showed up at his apartment at around 11:30 that night, with caylee and they spent the night. Earlier when kc was at fusion who was watching caylee ? She was zanaxed and in the trunk of the car. (I wonder if le asked ric if caylee was only wearing a diper when kc brought her in the apartment) kc zanaxed caylee numerous times between 6/1 and 6/16. I'm sure there was a fight on the 15th but it is irrelevant, I'm sure there were alot of fights. The 16th of June, the call from the a's home to kc's cell was probably to tell kc to get up and come out of her room and take care of her daughter. I believe ga did see kc and caylee leave at 12:50, but they didnt go far, they were right by the a's home waiting for ga to go to work, after ga left they came back. kc then leaves the a's house heading toward tones, she starts making phone calls ga ca ah, she was trying to get someone to watch caylee. Then it looks like she stops somewhere on the way to tone's. she stopped probably took caylee's sipee cup that had juice in it, and crushed up a zanax in it, she waited then for her to go to sleep, took caylee's clothes off, and put her in the trunk. Off to tone's and leaves her car in the parking lot with Caylee in the trunk asleep, this time was different though, she either had chloroform in a container in her trunk or spilled some in her trunk, anyway because of the chloroform there was no oxygen and caylee was probably dead before she even got to tone's. I bet that she checked on her sometime that evening and knew that she was dead. I dont think she did this on purpose but when kc zanaxed her that was felonious assault and death during the comission of felonious assault is 1st degree murder. So date of death imho was early evening on june 16th.


HUH? Links please. Are you serious?

KellioPSL
11-22-2008, 04:26 PM
I want to know if the Strangle thing really happen. is there a statement beside LP?

the only person that I've heard talk about the strangle thing was lp, mf reported on greta that a neighbor heard the fight on the 15th , but mf never said anything about the strangle thing. The only neighbor that is scheduled to testify for the state is bb and in the 2 interviews that he did with le there is no mention of the fight.

KellioPSL
11-22-2008, 04:29 PM
HUH? Links please. Are you serious?

very serious, what links do you want ? please explain, I'm not sure what you mean by links.

KellioPSL
11-22-2008, 06:41 PM
This would answer why Caylee had no clothes on.......What temp was it in FLA on that night..........I bet very hot!

I've lived in Florida almost my entire life and June is brutal (not as bad as July and August ) and the humidty is very high year round.

LCoastMom
11-23-2008, 04:01 PM
This would answer why Caylee had no clothes on.......What temp was it in FLA on that night..........I bet very hot!

In Orlando, the week of 6-17-08 and 6-24-08, the high was 90* low was 72* average temp was 81*.

Unless it was done with the intent to kill, there is no way KC could have been 'storing' Caylee in the trunk of her car. It runs 45 degrees hotter in the car than the air temperature and it only takes 15 to 30 minutes for the car to hit maximum temperatures.

Toss in the humidity just before a tropical storm, pretty hot and sticky.

LCoastMom
11-23-2008, 04:10 PM
very serious, what links do you want ? please explain, I'm not sure what you mean by links.

Ladonna is asking where you got your information. She wants to read the reports etc that lead to your summary. Links would be the short cuts to the long forms of your information.

Jaylergirl
12-02-2008, 12:07 PM
kc was zanaxing caylee, on 6/06 she goes to fusion, she tells ah and ric that her boss sent her there to check on daughter ric states that she showed up at his apartment at around 11:30 that night, with caylee and they spent the night. Earlier when kc was at fusion who was watching caylee ? She was zanaxed and in the trunk of the car. (I wonder if le asked ric if caylee was only wearing a diper when kc brought her in the apartment) kc zanaxed caylee numerous times between 6/1 and 6/16. I'm sure there was a fight on the 15th but it is irrelevant, I'm sure there were alot of fights. The 16th of June, the call from the a's home to kc's cell was probably to tell kc to get up and come out of her room and take care of her daughter. I believe ga did see kc and caylee leave at 12:50, but they didnt go far, they were right by the a's home waiting for ga to go to work, after ga left they came back. kc then leaves the a's house heading toward tones, she starts making phone calls ga ca ah, she was trying to get someone to watch caylee. Then it looks like she stops somewhere on the way to tone's. she stopped probably took caylee's sipee cup that had juice in it, and crushed up a zanax in it, she waited then for her to go to sleep, took caylee's clothes off, and put her in the trunk. Off to tone's and leaves her car in the parking lot with Caylee in the trunk asleep, this time was different though, she either had chloroform in a container in her trunk or spilled some in her trunk, anyway because of the chloroform there was no oxygen and caylee was probably dead before she even got to tone's. I bet that she checked on her sometime that evening and knew that she was dead. I dont think she did this on purpose but when kc zanaxed her that was felonious assault and death during the comission of felonious assault is 1st degree murder. So date of death imho was early evening on june 16th. (thank you Joyce for pointing out the ping info for the 16th and thank you bondjamesbond for idea of what all the calls were about that aftrenoon)

There is no absolutely no way that KC was placing a drugged Caylee in the trunk of the car in June, in Florida! If she were doing that, then Caylee would have died the very 1st time that KC did that!! I live in Orlando, right around the corner from where all of this is happening & trust me when I say that it gets HOT here! Plus, like someone else stated a car in Florida will run almost 30 degrees hotter than the actual outside temperature. I could only imagine how much hotter a trunk of a car would get in Florida! I just about die in the summer each day when I leave work at 5 PM and open the car for the 1st time. You have to put the air on full blast and sometimes it still takes a good 10 minutes to reach a bearable temp to drive home! You literally....sweat your a** off when you get in! Thankfully, I don't have leather seats but my friend does and her bottom is literally soaked when she drives around in her car in the summer.
I'm not saying that she wasn't drugged and placed in the trunk, but there is no way that she was doing it for an extended period of time. It may have been the 1st time that she did that and that is when Caylee died. All, MOO, of course.

pregodego2
12-04-2008, 04:28 AM
There is no absolutely no way that KC was placing a drugged Caylee in the trunk of the car in June, in Florida! If she were doing that, then Caylee would have died the very 1st time that KC did that!! I live in Orlando, right around the corner from where all of this is happening & trust me when I say that it gets HOT here! Plus, like someone else stated a car in Florida will run almost 30 degrees hotter than the actual outside temperature. I could only imagine how much hotter a trunk of a car would get in Florida! I just about die in the summer each day when I leave work at 5 PM and open the car for the 1st time. You have to put the air on full blast and sometimes it still takes a good 10 minutes to reach a bearable temp to drive home! You literally....sweat your a** off when you get in! Thankfully, I don't have leather seats but my friend does and her bottom is literally soaked when she drives around in her car in the summer.
I'm not saying that she wasn't drugged and placed in the trunk, but there is no way that she was doing it for an extended period of time. It may have been the 1st time that she did that and that is when Caylee died. All, MOO, of course.

I think her storyline was very valid and it's what i've suspected all along, that caylee was baing stored in there while CA went out.

I must ask, does the temp drop at night?

poco
12-04-2008, 05:48 AM
In Orlando, the week of 6-17-08 and 6-24-08, the high was 90* low was 72* average temp was 81*.

Unless it was done with the intent to kill, there is no way KC could have been 'storing' Caylee in the trunk of her car. It runs 45 degrees hotter in the car than the air temperature and it only takes 15 to 30 minutes for the car to hit maximum temperatures.

Toss in the humidity just before a tropical storm, pretty hot and sticky.

I was just going to post the same thing here - no way was Casey putting Caylee in the trunk unless she had the intentions of killing her - no way would you survive even a short period of time in a trunk in the SUMMER IN FLORIDA!

passionflower
12-08-2008, 10:29 PM
Tonight on NG, Lp said KC murdered Caylee on June 16, between 1-2 am...............

TruthSeeker
12-09-2008, 08:21 AM
Tonight on NG, Lp said KC murdered Caylee on June 16, between 1-2 am...............

We all have opinions based on facts and suppositions. LP has an OPINION, just like the rest of us. I do not think even LE will state, 100%, the date and time Caylee died.

sometimer
12-09-2008, 10:38 PM
Tonight on NG, Lp said KC murdered Caylee on June 16, between 1-2 am...............

I have always thought it was june 16 between 1-3 pm. I felt it was shortly after she left the house at 12:50 when GA saw them. She didn't go far. Maybe to the end of suburban drive???? Wasn't it just after 3p.m. that she was franticly trying to get a hold of her mom?
The Decomp in the trunk baffles me though. I was really expecting it to come back as maybe rotting hamburger or raw chicken. Since she was always taking groceries to TLs house.
This case almost has too much evidence. It contradicts any logic.

TxLady2
12-10-2008, 11:30 AM
We all have opinions based on facts and suppositions. LP has an OPINION, just like the rest of us. I do not think even LE will state, 100%, the date and time Caylee died.

That is true. I don't believe they will be able to pin down a date or time of death unless they have a body.... or unless Casey states that she did it on a particular day and time, and even then it would have to be proven with some solid evidence. Much as I like LP for entertainment value... he's just throwing things out there... unless he has inside information, which I doubt.

TxLady2
12-10-2008, 11:33 AM
HUH? Links please. Are you serious?


There are no links. This is one person's theory, or opinion, and should have been stated as such.

AmyinTheHam
12-10-2008, 12:04 PM
I have from day 1 thought that video did not match up with the other photos of Caylee. She looks closer to 2 in that than 3. I know it has been "proven" by sign in sheets that she was there, and she might have been, but that video may not be from that day. And yes I know there is a card in the video, but my G-mom kept all her old cards when she was in the Assisted living facility....

So I still say that the video is not from June 15th... But that is just my opinion and could be totally wrong. I just know that myself having a daughter only 4 months older than Caylee, the video does not match recent photos of her.

AmyinTheHam
12-10-2008, 12:07 PM
After the nursing home visit on June 15th, which is also dated on video, Cindy and Caylee went to visit with Cindy's mom at her home to eat Chili. It's in Cindy's mother's interview with LE.

Did anyone ever determine if the toll records showed this? Because I thought at some point folks thought CA returned around 2 or 3 which would be too soon from lunch to eat chili at G'moms.

I know that is what was said but could it have happened the week before?

loneleigh2
12-13-2008, 05:20 PM
It amazes me that some of you think that Caylee wasn't at the old folks home on June 15th. Hello!? It was Father's Day.
Or that George had to be lying about what day he last saw her. Huh??

You know for not seeing her for almost a month I bet that last day was embedded in his brain.

Honestly I think Cindy is a piece of c**p, and has been lying to cover up her fights and guilt trips she placed on KC. Oh I mean BEFORE she went to jail.

AmyinTheHam
12-17-2008, 01:08 PM
It amazes me that some of you think that Caylee wasn't at the old folks home on June 15th. Hello!? It was Father's Day.
Or that George had to be lying about what day he last saw her. Huh??

You know for not seeing her for almost a month I bet that last day was embedded in his brain.

Honestly I think Cindy is a piece of c**p, and has been lying to cover up her fights and guilt trips she placed on KC. Oh I mean BEFORE she went to jail.


Did George always go with the 16th? Because I thought he was on the June 9th bandwagon too at first?

And I don't doubt she was at the Nursing Home/Assisted Living Facility on the 15th. Just that the video does not appear to be taken recently from my knowledge of kids and kids ages.... She looks younger. But it could just be how her hair is or something. I just know a photo of Caylee in a sundress with KC looks months older than that video.