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GetSmart
01-15-2009, 12:34 AM
http://www.koco.com/video/18484297/index.html


A Weleetka pastor has been arrested for molesting young girls. Eyewitness News 5's Kevin Sims explains what investigators think about a possible connection to last June's.

SeriouslySearching
01-24-2009, 11:16 PM
Lowe has been charged with 16 counts of sexually assaulting girls.

The church is located just a mile from where Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal Placker were found slain in June, but Brown said there's no indication yet that the cases are connected or that the slain girls had been sexually assaulted

"The scene of the homicides is quite close to this church so that gives us cause and makes us want to investigate if there is any type of connection," she said.

Brown said a bodily fluid found at the Weleetka homicide scene should help them determine a possible link.

~snip~

Lowe was one of many people in the immediate area who the Okfuskee County Sheriff interviewed last summer.

http://www.koco.com/news/18484639/detail.html (Bolded by me)

Houndacres
01-26-2009, 12:04 AM
I find it hard to comprehend that this minister had anything to do with shooting our girls. That's not to say he didn't do it, I'm glad they are checking all possibilities. He has been charged with 16 counts of sexual crimes against girls, yet didn't shoot any of them. What could Skyla & Taylor possibly have seen/threatened him with, that these other girls couldn't have? Yet, he didn't shoot them.

MeoW333
01-26-2009, 09:05 AM
Lowe has been charged with 16 counts of sexually assaulting girls.

The church is located just a mile from where Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal Placker were found slain in June, but Brown said there's no indication yet that the cases are connected or that the slain girls had been sexually assaulted

"The scene of the homicides is quite close to this church so that gives us cause and makes us want to investigate if there is any type of connection," she said.

Brown said a bodily fluid found at the Weleetka homicide scene should help them determine a possible link.

~snip~

Lowe was one of many people in the immediate area who the Okfuskee County Sheriff interviewed last summer.

http://www.koco.com/news/18484639/detail.html (Bolded by me)


"The church is located just a mile from where Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal Placker were found slain in June, but Brown said there's no indication yet that the cases are connected or that the slain girls had been sexually assaulted"The scene of the homicides is quite close to this church so that gives us cause and makes us want to investigate if there is any type of connection," she said.Brown said a bodily fluid found at the Weleetka homicide scene should help them determine a possible link."

http://www.koco.com/news/18484639/detail.html

..a bodily fluid??

GetSmart
01-27-2009, 12:42 AM
I would also like to state that there's no indication yet that the cases are connected and
"We're not saying that he is part of that or was. But, we want to definitely verify that he was not a part of it," said Okfuskee County Sheriff Jack Choate


Weleetka Pastor Faces Lewdness Charges

http://nativetimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=887&Itemid=1

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=9680878
WELEETKA (http://www.topix.net/search/article?ph_ref=in&p=3149&url=newson6%2Ecom&about=city/weleetka-ok&co=1), OK -- The pastor of a church in Okfuskee County (http://www.topix.net/search/article?ph_ref=in&p=3149&url=newson6%2Ecom&about=county/okfuskee-ok&co=1) is jailed, charged with molesting several young girls in his church. Investigators say most of the abuse happened on the grounds of the Arbeka Indian Baptist Church just outside the town of Weleetka.
Arbeka Indian Baptist Church sits in the countryside of Okfuskee County. The church property acts as a campground, of sorts. Church members drive from as far away as Oklahoma City or Tulsa for services that last several days. The grounds have several living quarters where the congregation stays the night.
For the last several years Marvin Lowe has been the church's pastor. Investigators say the 51 year old has been molesting girls as young as eight years old on the property since at least the summer of 2007.


http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/9680878_BG1.jpg
Related story: 1/14/2009 Weleetka Pastor Jailed On Molestation Complaint (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=9676740)
Sheriff Jack Choate says Lowe also molested girls in his Okmulgee County home.
"Some have known it for some time and were just, more or less, afraid to bring it up," said Okfuskee County Sheriff Jack Choate.
Court documents show Lowe would sometimes sleep with the girls on the floor of his home. In other cases, he's accused of fondling the girls inside the fellowship hall.
Investigators say they're also aware of a 32-year-old victim who says Lowe assaulted her when she was a teenager.
"I do think there's a possibility that we do have other people who have not come forward yet," said Okfuskee County Sheriff Jack Choate.
The church sits a mile and a-half from where Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Placker were found dead last year, no one has been arrested for their deaths. While the sheriff doesn't believe Lowe was involved, it's something investigators are still looking into.
"We're not saying that he is part of that or was. But, we want to definitely verify that he was not a part of it," said Okfuskee County Sheriff Jack Choate.
Lowe is being held on $240,000 bond. The sheriff expects him to face more charges as more people come forward in the future.

Lauren - CA
01-27-2009, 06:27 PM
Hmm, too old to be the POI?

YellowDog
01-27-2009, 06:45 PM
They are STILL testing bodily fluids found at the murder scene???????

My gosh, how many months have they had to test it in already? That's unreal. Did it have to be sent to outer space for testing? The citizens of that town should be so up in arms with all of these terrible things happening to young girls.

GetSmart
01-27-2009, 07:05 PM
I put the POI & Preacher side by side for you to compare. I think if anything they have common ancestors.. meaning NA..

Lauren - CA
01-27-2009, 07:10 PM
Thanks GS! That helps alot. Personally I don't see a resemblance.

k4kathy
01-28-2009, 10:44 AM
Getsmart,
Is there any way you could put the preacher and the sketch that Bern did side by side?

GetSmart
02-05-2009, 06:02 PM
Getsmart,
Is there any way you could put the preacher and the sketch that Bern did side by side?
Is this what you were looking for k4kathy?

k4kathy
02-05-2009, 11:02 PM
GS,
Thank you,the images side by side were exactly what I was asking for.Now I'm going to print a copy of Bern's drawing,and draw a pair of glasses onto the face.

gertrude-gertie
02-05-2009, 11:43 PM
Is this what you were looking for k4kathy?Hi GS -- I think Bern's drawing closely resembles the minister. I only wish we could see the mouth.

YellowDog
02-05-2009, 11:46 PM
I find it hard to comprehend that this minister had anything to do with shooting our girls. That's not to say he didn't do it, I'm glad they are checking all possibilities. He has been charged with 16 counts of sexual crimes against girls, yet didn't shoot any of them. What could Skyla & Taylor possibly have seen/threatened him with, that these other girls couldn't have? Yet, he didn't shoot them.

Maybe he had molested them previously and they confronted him that day and told him they were going to report him to LE.

little726
02-18-2009, 11:23 PM
Marvin Lowe's pre-hearing is tomarrow (Thurs.) at 2:30.

oceanblueeyes
02-21-2009, 03:32 PM
I thought of all of us today and Skyla and Taylor.

We can never give up hope that Skyla and Taylor's killer will be caught and brought to justice.

The wheels of justice turns slowly at times but it does turn.

Just like it did for the Levy family, who have waited so long to see justice come for their daughter, Chandra.

http://news.aol.com/article/police-close-to-arrest-in-chandra-levy/353412

:blowkiss:

Houndacres
02-21-2009, 10:32 PM
I agree. Never give up hope for Justice for Skyla & Taylor. I would just like to see this case get a little more attention and maybe something would break??

Lauren - CA
02-22-2009, 12:55 AM
I thought of all of us today and Skyla and Taylor.

We can never give up hope that Skyla and Taylor's killer will be caught and brought to justice.

The wheels of justice turns slowly at times but it does turn.

Just like it did for the Levy family, who have waited so long to see justice come for their daughter, Chandra.

http://news.aol.com/article/police-close-to-arrest-in-chandra-levy/353412

:blowkiss:

OMG, Ocean, I thought the exact same thing today when I read that about the Levy case. Although I do not wish for this case to still be unsolved after that length of time, justice is justice and having closure can finally bring some sense of peace to the Levy family. Reading that today brought to mind the fact that even though we may not hear about the case in the media, it doesn't indicate that the LE have stopped working it.

Albert18
02-22-2009, 05:27 PM
But according to an article in the Washington Post this arrest is coming after a 13 part series ran in the newspaper where a reporter laid out the case for the police.

In other words, without this reporter's efforts there probably would still be no movement on the Levy case.

XPA Magnet
02-22-2009, 06:39 PM
But according to an article in the Washington Post this arrest is coming after a 13 part series ran in the newspaper where a reporter laid out the case for the police.

In other words, without this reporter's efforts there probably would still be no movement on the Levy case.

Albert18 - You are exactly right. Very observant on your part. I've been reading the Post since I was a pre-teen. There are so many cold cases in the D.C. metro area that have been re-opened and solved, due not only to their investigations but also to the public pressure from the attention. The Post can be relentless when something is very wrong and/or being covered up.

Lauren - Thanks for posting the news reports and videos from the 2/15 gathering. I lit two candles at 5 Eastern and thought about the girls and all of the people here who have pursued this case. Did your friends there notice anyone from OSBI in attendance? Did anyone catch the newspaper article in which the reporter had apparently phoned JB the Friday before (by Manny G in Tulsa World)? No tough questions. Same answers as before. It's so hard to understand the lack of public outcry from the local press.

In that same article, one of the locals is quoted as saying, "We might be able to help, but we don't know what they're looking for." One can only wonder what JB's response to that would be.

Claycat
02-22-2009, 07:49 PM
The press has always been a strong force in the solution of crime. Our media people spend too much time repeating news that has been spoon fed to them. (It doesn't matter what news channel you turn to, they are all reporting the same thing.) I remember when some of the news shows, like 60 Minutes, used to be big on investigative journalism. Occasionally you see a glimmer of that, but for the most part, the shows almost seem packaged like a series or something. Journalists have let us down big time. If the newspapers would go back to more investigative journalism or exposes, they might save themselves. People might subscribe to newspapers again. Many of them are going down the tube, because we can get more interesting info from some of the blogs online.

Also, more info from LE would help a whole lot. Oklahoma needs a sunshine law!

oceanblueeyes
02-23-2009, 11:06 AM
OMG, Ocean, I thought the exact same thing today when I read that about the Levy case. Although I do not wish for this case to still be unsolved after that length of time, justice is justice and having closure can finally bring some sense of peace to the Levy family. Reading that today brought to mind the fact that even though we may not hear about the case in the media, it doesn't indicate that the LE have stopped working it.

I really do think that the OSBI wants to solve this case. It was one of the most high profile cases. They too know that the parents of Skyla and Taylor need to know who murdered them. I am sure it haunts them that they have yet to uncover the answers they need. I don't think they will ever put aside this case. Some detective somewhere will work on it for the rest of their career, if need be.

I see so many detectives on tv that finally brings a killer to justice and it is all about giving the family closure and I do think most LE does care and cares deeply. This case has to be most haunting since it was two vulnerable innocent girls just out for a Sunday walk.

I will never give up hope. One day it will be solved and I pray it is sooner than later.

imo

Ruflossn
02-23-2009, 11:45 AM
I really do think that the OSBI wants to solve this case. It was one of the most high profile cases. They too know that the parents of Skyla and Taylor need to know who murdered them. I am sure it haunts them that they have yet to uncover the answers they need. I don't think they will ever put aside this case. Some detective somewhere will work on it for the rest of their career, if need be.

I see so many detectives on tv that finally brings a killer to justice and it is all about giving the family closure and I do think most LE does care and cares deeply. This case has to be most haunting since it was two vulnerable innocent girls just out for a Sunday walk.

I will never give up hope. One day it will be solved and I pray it is sooner than later.

imo

My thoughts exactly Ocean~

Mysterylover
02-23-2009, 08:03 PM
Maybe he had molested them previously and they confronted him that day and told him they were going to report him to LE.

Yellow-Dog, You may be right.
The 2 girls waits and confronts him late that Sunday. He can't allow them to destroy his reputation and send him to jail, so he 'regrettably' has to shut them up...:rose:

XPA Magnet
02-23-2009, 09:31 PM
Yellow-Dog, You may be right.
The 2 girls waits and confronts him late that Sunday. He can't allow them to destroy his reputation and send him to jail, so he 'regrettably' has to shut them up...:rose:


That's interesting; it provides a motive. How does that fit with the popular "two shooter" theory? Do you think that there was an accomplice, or that he was using two guns by himself?

k4kathy
02-27-2009, 12:03 PM
This thought just now popped into my head...Do you all think LE/OSBI checked the pastor's computer to see if he visited message boards such as WS's ?Maybe they checked his computer to see if there was any evidence related to the molestation charges.

little726
03-01-2009, 01:37 PM
This thought just now popped into my head...Do you all think LE/OSBI checked the pastor's computer to see if he visited message boards such as WS's ?Maybe they checked his computer to see if there was any evidence related to the molestation charges

k4kathy, I'm pretty sure LE took his computer, if he owns one. I also think, since they have probable cause, they could also be searching his home.

We can only hope they did!

k4kathy
03-02-2009, 06:23 PM
Yes!!Let's hope!!

wfgodot
03-21-2009, 07:11 PM
Could someone clear up for me why this incredible happenstance---sixteen counts of child molestation a mile from the scene of the killings---has drawn so little comment? Is it because LE is downplaying (if that's what they're doing/have done) this angle? Knowing of the internecine workings of rural Oklahoma communities, where religious---and tribal---concerns frequently can control goodly portions of the population, though that control is masked from outsiders's eyes by time-honored rituals of silence and avoidance---unless I'm missing something here, this particular event would seem to have to be dealt with; even if LE is downplaying it for their own good reasons, we should then be able to see more clearly just what, in fact, they ARE centering on as the reason for the girls's deaths---if anything. The preacher may in fact be innocent of the molestation charges, of course, but then the act of the children even MAKING these accusations, should tell us something about Weleetka and, by extension, about the tragic events dealt with in these threads.

Now please don't get me wrong---I know I'm a newbie and I want to say up front that, scrolling through these threads, there have been many brilliant observations made by many posters, and an abundance of caring and concern, of love and strength, has been communicated herein for the two girls and for their families. But the two most recently posted-upon threads deal with psychics, and whether or not the girls had a dog with them, a dog which could then be used to identify the perpetrator(s)! Rightly or wrongly, this strikes me as grasping not at straws, but at bits of nothing; psychics don't solve cases, good investigations solve cases, finding unsuspected links between events solve cases---and dogs cannot talk, no matter how much we would like that they would be able to. In the nine months since this heinous act, half of downtown Weleetka appears to have burned down, and not one suggestion has been made that these two events could possibly be related---probably not, of course, probably only grasping at straws: and yet so much better than talking dogs and the airy metaphysics of psychics. Don't give up on this case, people---go through your concrete ideas once again and help solve this horror.

wfgodot
03-21-2009, 09:37 PM
I see that I've been feted with a scowly :mad: face to the left of the topic on the discussion board; please understand, gentle reader, it is NOT the posters on this topic with whom I'm :mad: unhappy (okay, I'm not too fond of the psychics and the dogs, but that's just me, and I'm cranky); rather, I am massively upset with the authorities who have allowed this case to languish and, for all we know, to be pushed onto a backburner, with precious little information divulged to the public---we who might assist, given the chance, with the case's solving---and with the newspapers and broadcast sources of our state, who have unconscionably allowed themselves to be less than involved with keeping this case where it belongs---front and center, in the public eye. Just think of what would have happened had these two girls been the daughters of persons of wealth and influence. This case would have been red-balled until it was solved, and it would have solved months ago, in my opinion.

Mamie
03-21-2009, 10:04 PM
Maybe the 2 girls stumbled upon him and a young lady? Or maybe there are more men involved in the molestations and the 2 girls stumbled upon 2 men and 2 girls.

wfgodot
03-22-2009, 03:59 PM
Thanks to everyone who thanked me for my offerings above, such as they were. This case means a lot to me because it happened in the state where I've chosen to live, and not all that far from my current location. I lived in south Texas when it occurred, and my gut feeling then was---dear God, please don't let this go unsolved, and now it appears it is on the road to going unsolved. There's a meanness in this world, and it's never so clear as when it takes place in the midst of people you love, who you know to be good and honest, guileless, sweet people who deserve the very best.

Yes, Mamie, it could be something along those lines, or it could be that the girls knew beforehand about the molestation allegations---before they were made public---and that that knowledge came into play in their silencing. And it could be, as I said above, that the preacher is innocent of those charges and, thus, far removed from the case in question. Either way, and whatever, I'm Christian enough to include him in my prayers too---while I'm not overtly religious, I was raised in the faith, and old habits do linger. But it just seemed to me awfully odd that the two events took place within a mile or so of one another, in an isolated region of our state, within about half-a-year of one another, and that we're trusting law enforcement---which, involving human beings, can of course be fallible too---to inform us of the likelihood, or to warn us off of the possibility.

weleetka1
03-22-2009, 04:38 PM
wfgodot:

My hometown is Weleetka. I live in Tucson now. I really loved eating at several of the San Antonio Riverwalk establishments earlier this month. Texas and Oklahoma communities are similar in covering things up. This is usually done so favor trading can continue as a way of life, or a way for one to own another. I love Oklahoma's lay of the land, but I hate the politics.

You may have sen some of my takes on the Pastor in other WS threads. I knew him personally for years, and am appauled at what he is accused of. I looked for his name in the Muscogee Nation News newspaper, and haven't seen a mention of him, not even n the section where they list tribal member offenses and such.

Don't despair, and keep the faith the girls killer(s) will be brought to justice.

wfgodot
03-22-2009, 05:05 PM
Hi weleetka1,

And thanks. San Antonio's really a charming town---terrific people, very friendly. Anyone who thinks that living in a place where white folks aren't the majority population might be bad should try S.A., it'll change their minds. I enjoyed my eight years there, but it has grown...and grown...and (groan!)...grown (I think it's now the sixth-largest city in the U.S.) and I'm a small town boy, from KS originally, so was glad to get back to a rural area up here in NE OK, where I've lived once before. And I feel at home here because my great-grandmother, though I never knew her, was a full-blood Cherokee, so I've got that in common with a good many up here.

You are EXACTLY right: "Texas and Oklahoma communities are similar in covering things up. This is usually done so favor trading can continue as a way of life, or a way for one to own another. I love Oklahoma's lay of the land, but I hate the politics." Favor trading IS EXACTLY what I see as taking place here. I'm not sure, of course, of the specifics, but that has got to be a major reason why, nine months after the fact, we're still in, relatively, the dark about the Weleetka girls. I am also very interested in what you have to say about the pastor. While it's true that people can sure fool us, it's also true that one should not just abandon what they know of them when accusations are made. It is not beyond the pale to believe that that particular circumstance could not have been set up, to get back to your favor trading notion.

I do think that the deaths were the result of a very local matter, close to home. And that, perhaps not many, but certainly more than a few, know the circumstances: who did this, and why. Again, I hope against hope that the truth will out.

Thank you again for your kindness.

little726
04-14-2009, 01:12 PM
Marvin Lowe has another hearing today (April 14) at 2:00pm.

waltzingmatilda
04-14-2009, 02:38 PM
Please update us if you learn any info. Hugs, matilda

little726
04-14-2009, 04:26 PM
Please update us if you learn any info. Hugs, matilda


I will, matilda.

little726
04-14-2009, 04:34 PM
Please update us if you learn any info. Hugs, matilda

See if this link will work for you:

http://www1.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=054-CF%20%200900010&County=054-

ArizonaGiGi
04-14-2009, 05:07 PM
You're on top of things ! Can't wait to see what happens today

waltzingmatilda
04-14-2009, 07:09 PM
Thanks little!

Wow! His attorney withdrew from the case 4-8-09......I wonder why?

4-13-09 Application to allow child witness to testify in closed forum and outside the presence of the defendent.

Interesting.......

GetSmart
04-21-2009, 09:23 PM
Man if I only had a brain... I forgot all about this pic..its in my photo album

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=504&pictureid=3786

little726
04-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Marvin Lowe continues his hearing tomarrow, the 24th. They want to dismiss count #12.

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little726
07-09-2009, 10:42 AM
Marvin Lowe has another hearing today.

http://www1.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=054-CF%20%200900010&County=054-

waltzingmatilda
07-09-2009, 11:12 AM
Thanks Little!

I'm curious about this charge #12. Is this the same as rape with a foreign object? Sorry, I just can't bring myself to google 'rape by instrumentation'.....but am assuming it means the act was committed with and instrument.

Ruflossn
07-09-2009, 11:51 AM
Thanks Little!

I'm curious about this charge #12. Is this the same as rape with a foreign object? Sorry, I just can't bring myself to google 'rape by instrumentation'.....but am assuming it means the act was committed with and instrument.

http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+852614634632+F

21-1111.1.

Rape by instrumentation is an act within or without the bonds of
matrimony in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body,
not amounting to sexual intercourse is used in the carnal knowledge of
another person without his or her consent and penetration of .......

waltzingmatilda
07-09-2009, 12:54 PM
Thanks Bunches, Flossie! I was afraid that was what it meant! UGH! What's up with these sickos doing such horrid things to children! GRRRR!

woodlawn
08-14-2011, 10:43 PM
Just adding a little more info to this thread, all I could find was this short piece from last November, it hardly exonerates the man, but...

Court Says Weleetka Pastor Acquitted On Lewd Molestation Charges (http://www.news9.com/story/13492850/jury-finds-weleetka-pastor-guilty-on-domestic-abuse-charges?redirected=true)