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scandi

05-26-2004, 03:27 AM

Hi,

Living in Portland, only about a 2 hour drive to Corvallis, it was a sad moment when I came home from work tonight to find this had happened here, in my backyard, so to speak.

I watched the news in disbelief as I heard her brother try not to cry as he spoke with such deep emotion, trying to be upbeat and hopeful about the situation. I found myself crying outloud, so mad that this could happen again to a priceless and special young woman. And somehow feeling the utter loss this family must feel - a tight family of 6 children, very religious, totally taken by surprise at her being taken from them.

I could only pray then that optimism must prevail, for hope does spring eternal, and all the thoughts we have and the good spirits of everyone who hears about her, will hold her tight and keep her alive to come on home.

And then, watching the news and hour later, I saw they had found the other girl who disappeared, dead, carried off in a body bag. A sad night for this family of Brooke who still have hope, and yet who also know the possibilities that lie ahead for them.

God be with them and give them the blessings of love from all of us. I will pray for her safe return home.

Scandi

dannyodie

05-26-2004, 07:51 AM

I just wonder if the person that did this was one that lives in the apartment complex? or maybe someone that was visiting with someone there? seems like to me this was a moment of oppertunity. I hope just like everyone else that she is found alive.

Jade

05-26-2004, 12:05 PM

On the Today show it was said that it was several hours before the police were called. It seems a bit strange since she was reportedly such a responsible person that they were not immediately alarmed. I guess I could see waiting five or ten minutes in the event she helped a little old lady with her groceries… but hours?

annemc2

05-26-2004, 05:21 PM

this one has really got me freaked out. my husband & i moved to corvallis almost a year ago and i have never felt safer in my life. we frequently forget to lock our doors and i walk all over the place by myself with no worries. having moved from houston, this complacency has taken some getting used to. i guess it goes to show you that you can never be too comfortable, no matter where you are.

i hope and pray that she is found safe - but like a pp said, it doesn't look good. reports make it seem as if she is an extremely reliable/responsible person who wasn't looking for a way out of a bad siutation. and i really don't like how the papers say that, in the parking lot, there was evidence of a struggle taking place. what is that supposed to mean?

i'll be sure & keep you guys posted if there is any local news or rumors on the street......

annemc2

05-27-2004, 12:32 AM

there was a criminal profiler on the evening news that said that the perpetrator is most likely a charming young-ish male (basically describing a sociopath - reminded me of scott p!) that might have been following her on recent frequent trips from Eugene (her hometown) to Corvallis (about a 45 min drive). also said that she may well have known her abductor.

searches have been called off for tonight, as it's getting dark, but the community support is amazing. i didn't even leave my neighborhood before i saw flyers on streetlights & telephone poles.

Jade

05-27-2004, 02:21 PM

Thanks for the update.

dannyodie

05-28-2004, 07:14 AM

I had a thought that the person that took this young lady could very well be someone at the complex she worked at, would it be possible for someone to get her to come to there apartment making her think they were in need of something? then when she gets to the door maybe she was dragged into the apartment? the criminal profiler forgot to mention that the police is looking for a creep.

Doyle

05-28-2004, 08:39 AM

Words of encouragement have been streaming in for Brooke Wilberger's family as search crews continue looking for the 19-year-old BYU freshman.

At a Thursday news conference her family gathered to thank the volunteers, authorities, and the media for helping get the word out about Brooke.

"We are just overwhelmed with the response of all the volunteers searching for Brooke and we are thankful for everyone and everything," said Brooke's mother Cammy Wilberger.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67735

Police have identified as many as 20 'persons of interest' in the suspect abduction Brooke Wilberger -- who vanished early this week from a Corvallis apartment complex -- but so far they have no suspects, authorities said Thursday night.
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_052704_news_missing_woman.201e751ca.html

Under gray skies and cooling temperatures, more than 200 volunteers turned out Wednesday morning with long-sleeve shirts, walking sticks and gloves for a third day of fruitless searching for Brooke Wilberger, the Brigham Young University student police think was kidnapped Monday.
Behind the search was an unusual effort: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints mobilized even before police could on Monday, pouring an extensive effort into the search for one of their own. Although joined by others in the community, the church brought in resources far beyond what police could muster.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/108565901353680.xml

packerdog

05-28-2004, 01:29 PM

I just heard on Fox that a strange discovery was found in reguards to this case. Anybody hear what was found?

pugsley

05-28-2004, 01:44 PM

they are not saying much....

CORVALLIS, Ore. (AP) — Police have cordoned off a gravel pit in Linn County after searchers looking for a missing 19-year-old university student found "a strange discovery" near the Willamette River, a police spokesman said Friday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-6/108576144943040.xml

Newswolf

05-28-2004, 02:12 PM

Pugsley I can't access that site without registering, so I don't know if this is repetitive but on Fox the police said there was an area of dirt that looked freshly dug and that is why they are searching there, no body, no clothing. Just covering all the bases.

pugsley

05-28-2004, 02:32 PM

thanks newswolf, that article did not give any new info. other than that first paragraph.

pugs

annemc2

05-28-2004, 04:05 PM

apparently last night search teams detected a foul odor near a gravel pit that is located approx. 4 miles from where Brooke disappeared. this morning they brought in cadaver dogs and a forensics team, and checked out some nearby tire tracks.

so far, the corvallis police have not confirmed any of this info, but are expected to release info to the media around 12:30 pacific time. :(

Luanne

05-28-2004, 04:12 PM

I just caught a clip of this on the Seattle noon news. Apparently there was what appeared to be "fresh digging" in the gravel pit, which has now been cordoned off.

I hope for her safe return.

packerdog

05-28-2004, 04:22 PM

I heard that nothing was foumd in the gravel pit. Still hopeful.

pugsley

05-28-2004, 04:32 PM

I saw on another board that they were originally called to the scene because a report of a foul odor. There was no story link, so I don't know if it's accurate.

MysteryMomma

05-28-2004, 04:38 PM

Gosh, this is scary. It doesn't look good.

Oregon has tons of places to hide bodies......it is a lush and beautiful state. I lived there for a short time.

I wonder if the Church organized so quickly due to their experience in the Elizabeth Smart case? I know it is a different state but the LDS church is a highly organized group.

I'm so jaded. My first thought was is like Audrey Seiler (sp)? My second one, which is darker and I'm sure not true, is that her brother-in-law took her. Sick I know.

annemc2

05-28-2004, 04:39 PM

local news just had press conference with Lt. Noble of Corvallis PD. Searchers initially were interested in the area due to "freshly disturbed" gravel/earth, strange odor of "oil" or decomposition, and tire & foot tracks.

today forensics teams sifting through soil found NOTHING. cadaver dogs found NOTHING. then they brought in a backhoe and dug approx 4 ft deeper in the disturbed area and also found nothing. what a relief. also said that the odor dissapated when they finished digging (?).

no suspects as of yet but are keeping tabs on 5 "persons of interest." police feel the investigation is "moving forward" even though they are feeling frustrated at lack of progress.

that's about it as far as I heard - will keep you posted if i hear any developments......

mushyb

05-28-2004, 08:31 PM

Her website

www.findbrooke.com

scandi

05-29-2004, 12:42 AM

Hi,

I just watched the news conference here , and the Chief said they are hopeful and feeling better than they didMon - Wed because if she was dead they would have found her. So they are all feeling strongly that she is still alive and being held captive.

They released one of the 5 POI, so there are 4 left. They are not all Sex Predators, bot also include men who have zoned in on girls like Brooke and acted suspiciously.Two FBI profilers working in tandem, one from Wash DC, one from Corvallis. Not enough info yet to let out a profile, but every tip helps and then a light goes off for them.

David Smart has been working with them, and he said that they have done more in 3 days in trying to locate Brooke than 3 weeks in Elizabeths case. The family has been tight with Mr Smart, as you know they are both Mormans.

Oddles of searchers - huge outpouring of help, big search tomorrow, and the church has organized a whole lot of 2 person teams to drive around the local area everywhere, down alleys, in the country, and see if they spot anything of interest or unusual.

That's the basics. Sounds like another Corona in charge - older, but very caring and 'up on it', and darn determined to find Brooke and bring her on home!

Scandi

EDIT: I think in Corvallis they have a rather large force of National Guardsmen, an active grouping. I don't know how that stands now with so many gone to Iraq?

dannyodie

05-29-2004, 07:11 AM

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=67763 police have at hand at least 5 people of interest. after clicking the link look for the video link to this story

indigomood

05-29-2004, 08:14 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040529/ap_on_re_us/missing_woman

CORVALLIS, Ore. - Amid new expressions of optimism by police, volunteers renewed the search Saturday for a 19-year-old college student who was last seen at her sister's apartment complex and was feared kidnapped.

Authorities also expanded the search, asking volunteers to drive the back roads of five surrounding counties during the weekend to look for abandoned vehicles, pieces of clothing or anything else suspicious, Peirson said.

Searchers were told to pay particular attention to routes from Corvallis to the home of Wilberger's parents in Veneta, outside Eugene, Peirson

scandi

05-29-2004, 08:32 PM

indigomood

05-29-2004, 08:42 PM

Hi Indigo! Ooohh, I love your lady.

I've been thinking that since the Police said they were intently looking at these 4 men, and feeling more at ease than they were on Mon - Wed, have talked to them all - it didn't say if in person - and thinking there might be something in particular about one of them that says something. None of them live in her neighborhood. They suggested it might be someone who watched her drive from Eugene to Corvallis on a regular basis, which she did, going from her folks home to her sister's apt house. So maybe she had seen this person and maybe made a comment to a friend or family member, like gee, that guy is weird. Or gee, I always see that same guy right behind me as I drive on the freeway. You know it is possible, or sounds plausible because of the way they are handling the case.

And with this person in particular, if they have zoned in on him, he might have done something similiar at one time with a gal much like Brooke, and since he didn't kill her it now gives the family and police hope.

What do you think?

Have heard nothing new today at all, but know they are out searching in force. Maybe there will be a news conference tonight!

:blowkiss: Scandi

Hi Scandi :blowkiss:
thanks for the compliment on my siggy pic. Might be my favorite so far...
I really am not following this case as close as others so I'm really not qualified to interject much. I just happened upon the update so thought i would post it.

My initial gut feelings were that this young lady met with much of the same fate as Dru Sjodin and others like her. I did not have a good feeling as to a safe recovery of her. I also did not have a good feeling about Elizabeth Smart and thank God miracles do happen. I always hope against hope until there is evidence to the contrary.

It sounds like the authorities believe there will soon be a break in the case and I continue to pray that she is alive.

I read an earlier post of yours on this same topic and you made mention of Mike Corona in the Runnion case. That man was my hero. A man of strong convictions and impeccable charactor. Do you know when that case is to go to trial??

scandi

05-30-2004, 12:41 AM

Hi Indigo,

I havn't heard, but I think it should be a very short trial - mnight not even be one, do you think? He might cop a plea as he is pretty much 'cooked' well already!

So I have an interesting tidbit of news. On the 6pm local news, I gleaned an interesting fact about one of the 4 men they are focusing intently on. He is Japanese, I think. They got a call on the tip line about this guy who lives in Tigard , Or, a part of SW Portland. He is in jail tonight down by Corvallis or maybe Eugene for stealing things from the University. They came up and arrested him today.

He has a sexual fettish of collecting women's underwear. Was recently arrested 3 times at 3 local Universities collecting and stealing the women's underwear! For real. A total perv :eek: Looks as normal as apple pie so you would never expect it.

So he is not being held having anything to do with Brooke's case, but rather the new charge in Corvallis. But here is the clincher. He was seen in the same area where Brook disappeared . Remember the policeman stated that the 4 weren't all sex offenders, but had done things in their past that made them suspicious and liked women that were just like Brooke.

Can you believe it? The Policeman did give us a real hidden tip, didn't he, with that statement! It is what made me feel they knew something they couldn't tell.

Now I think the reason they think she is alive is something was mentioned about him working in cahoots with another man in his previous panty stealing offenses. If he still works with him, maybe he is holding her and they were both using her for their satisfaction. So this fact alone would ease the minds of her parents and of LE. They must have an idea who this guy is or I don't think they would have mentioned this on the news.

And so there very well might be great hope tonight that she is not dead but possibly being held somewhere by this man's accomplice. Hey, maybe the accomplice is also one of the 4 men. MY interjection only here. LOL Get me a goin' and I'll have this worked out in short order! BaHa Haaaaaaaaa :D

Remember I only heard this newscast once, so there are parts of it I am not sure about.

Scandi

scandi

05-30-2004, 02:59 AM

Hi,

How Funny, I am the only one here tonight :eek: Where is everyone?

Anyway, I learned a bit more and have a little correction :blushing: A few weeks before Brooke was kidnapped, there were two men who tried to abduct a girl quite close to the same location from where Brook disappeared. She did not go willingly, and proceeded to bite one of her abductors. This foiled their attempt to take her.

So of course it sets the old wheels a turning around about if this same thing is also what happened to Brooke, only they overpowered her and she was taken. I don't know if this second man is involved with the guy in jail yet.

Let's hope the man in custody has a bite mark on his arm and a friend holding her hostage. Then we'll most likely have a happy ending with Brooke being brought back home to her family. I hope so!

Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie

05-30-2004, 03:55 AM

Hi Scandi... I'm just back here! :)

Thanks for that update. I googled and found this:

http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D82SNG901.html

Praying for Brooke...

edited later ~ to include the Latest News Update link:

30K Reward. Carol Sund Foundation has offered 5K reward ~ coupled with Borden Chemicals' 25K.

http://www.ci.corvallis.or.us/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1244&Itemid=1592

ShowerSinger

05-30-2004, 02:11 PM

They are calling him a "person of interest."

annemc2

05-30-2004, 02:45 PM

hmmmm, now they are saying that the "panty pervert" is no longer a person of interest at this time. he was released from the county jail (on $25,000 cash bail) last night.

they are continuing to investigate the attempted abduction that occurred near OSU on 5/20, where, like Scandi told us, the girl bit the creep(s) and got away. apparently they have a suspect & vehicle description but aren't releasing that info.

this was reported in today's local paper - www.gtconnect.com

annemc2

05-30-2004, 02:48 PM

sorry - looks like that link still has yesterday's headlines (even though it has today's date....). maybe later on today they'll have the newer stories - headline is "Search widens to 5 counties."

scandi

05-30-2004, 03:27 PM

Good Morning,

Boy how things can change overnight~ I kinda just woke up LOL and have heard nothing on the news yet. They do have regular updates on her site, I believe, so think I'll go see if there is anything new.

Anna, do you live in Corvallis? Last night on one of the news shows - from Seattle maybe as I watch that quite often, they made a comment about what a really wonderful family Brooke has. I havn't heard her mom talk much, but am so impressed with her father. He is alot like Dru's father, and of course Ed Smart. Too bad we all thought Ed was hiding something and had a male lover. We were just trying to figure him out though to help put the case together.

See ya soon :o Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie

05-30-2004, 06:08 PM

Just in...

http://www.kirotv.com/news/3362591/detail.html

Posted too quickly! Sorry! My attention was caught by the words RE-arrested on the opening line... seems like it's the same story. Apologies...

scandi

05-30-2004, 06:45 PM

Hi,

I just heard a live report on Brooke on Northwest News from Seattle, and they didn't say anything like he has been released. Just that he has been arrested on burglary for panties taken from an intrusion he did at a USU dorm, but they are still looking at him intently in her case because of his background.

We will have to wait until they give another live press conference. :(

Anna, you might have more up to date news being so close to the happenings there today!

Scandi

Chapita4

05-30-2004, 07:17 PM

Here's a link to her missing poster - I believe that the strange discovery that the news is alluding to is that her flip-flops were found in the parking lot. Also, they also took a person of interest into custody again - he had been arrested recently for stealing women's underwear from nearby where she was taken.

http://www.findbrooke.com/

annemc2

05-30-2004, 10:44 PM

katu news this evening reporting that sung koo kim (aka the panty pervert) *is* still considered a person of interest in the case, although his parents provided an alibi for his whereabouts at the time of Brooke's disappearace.

they also said that they are looking for a "black, boxy car" in relation to the attempted abduction on 5/20 of the girl-who-bit-the-guy and that there were 2 men in the car.

registered sex offenders in the area are still being looked at - there are 140 in benton county (where corvallis is located) and over 400 in a neighboring county (linn co). they are looking for 19 in benton co. that failed to register new addresses.

searches continue throughout the holiday weekend. and there are flyers *everywhere* - like i said earlier, i have never seen such an outpouring of community support. it is amazing. we are all praying for brooke's safe return.

ShowerSinger

05-31-2004, 04:50 PM

scandi

05-31-2004, 04:53 PM

Wow Shower Singer! That might be really something! Have you contacted the tip line?

I've heard nothing today that is new.

Scandi

Juliana

05-31-2004, 05:33 PM

Hello everyone!
I was just wondering if anyone knows what the initials CTR stand for on her ring. Another missing girl, Kiplyn Davis, from Spanish Fork, Utah also was wearing a ring with those initials at the time of her disappearance.
If anyone knows, would you please post.
Thanks.

I did a google search and found lots of references to CTR rings. It is a Mormom thing, I think. Stands for "Choose the Right". Not quite sure what the significance of that, I'm off to do more searching. Just wanted to post this for others to ponder.

Here's a link to the page where I found the reference to CTR. It's about 1/3 of the way down, you really have to search.

Edited to add: I've now done more searching and I think the CTR ring is just kind of a "catchy" thing to remind people, especially younger people maybe, of their faith, kind of like "WWJD" (What Would Jesus Do?)

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/qa/42.htm

ShowerSinger

05-31-2004, 05:53 PM

Thank you, Juliana. Just makes me wonder more, if there isn't some Morman connection. I have a few friends who are Morman's and haven't seen any of them wearing a ring. Still, police always look at family, first. Sure hope bro-in-law doesn't have any connection to Spanish Fork, and that missing girl. Or maybe, some of the family knows some connection. Mormans tend to be close, especially when they visit other area churches/temples. I hope they find some good news. The Davis family still hasn't.

Juliana

05-31-2004, 07:09 PM

Shower Singer,
Here is a link to Kiplyn's information. I was surprised to see she disappeared in 1995, wearing the CTR ring. I just figured that the CTR thing was a new thing with younger people of the Mormon faith. Seems like it has been around awhile.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/davis.htm

annemc2

05-31-2004, 09:46 PM

wow - great sleuthing, guys! no new info to report from Corvallis today. i did just submit my 1st tip ever to LE - i was walking the dog in the park and found a pair of women's underwear. i've been in the park/woods near our home every day for almost a year now and have never seen anything out of place like that - any kind of trash is rare. so with all of the underwear connections to this case i thought i should at least let somebody know, just in case there is any significance whatsoever. probably just silly teenagers on a holiday weekend but still creepy!!!

annemc2

05-31-2004, 09:55 PM

I did a quick search on "choose the right" and found this girl's site - looks like what Juliana found.... kind of like it's based on a hymn or some kind of learning tool?

http://www.christysclipart.com/choose_the_right.html

PolkSaladAnnie

05-31-2004, 10:01 PM

scandi

05-31-2004, 10:25 PM

Ann, I am glad you called that in to the tip line. Every little tip is magnamous in a case like this.

Last Wednesday I emailed Laurie McQuary in Portland, the psychic who helps police depts all over the world find missing people.

She replied to say she never takes a case unless the family or police dept ask her to come into the case.

Then later that nite I heard a blurb on TV that the police are not going to use any psychics in the case.

Scandi

KOOL LOOK

06-01-2004, 12:55 AM

Somebody knows where Brooke is. I wonder if they'll tell.

scandi

06-01-2004, 01:13 AM

Yes Kool Look, and I think LE has much more of an idea than they are letting on to us. Listening to the police spokesman, he kind of lets subtle clues slip out. He made a statement now, which I can't bring to mind, but immediately gave me this feeling.

Let's hope and pray she is alive and being held captive somewhere.

Scandi

spydog

06-01-2004, 06:36 AM

I sure hope they find her alive.

Regarding the CTR ring. I am a Morman. This is just a little ring that is usually given to children when they are approx. 6 years of age in a Primary class (similar to Sunday School). They have lessons and are taught on choosing the right when situations arise such as being honest, staying off drugs, etc., etc. They are popular and many adults like to wear them too so they are made in many sizes. Not something everyone is supposed to wear. Just a piece of jewelry that helps kids and whoever wants to, to remember to choose the right in any given situation.

spydog

06-01-2004, 06:38 AM

Why do I have a red dot by my name?

spydog

06-01-2004, 06:41 AM

Person of interest was re-arrested. Apparently he was bailed out of jail by his parents, but they re-arrested him. Must really want to hang onto him! Probably found some other charges to put him back in jail. Maybe it would have been a good idea to let him go, and keep a trail on him.

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=97536&nid=5

dannyodie

06-01-2004, 07:08 AM

Why do I have a red dot by my name? hey , a red dot by your name is when you are online

PolkSaladAnnie

06-01-2004, 04:10 PM

A vigil has been held for Brooke...

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1909093

spydog

06-01-2004, 05:59 PM

hey , a red dot by your name is when you are online

Thanks! It's been quite awhile since I've posted on this forum!

I thought I was special or got some prize or something! :blushing:

ShowerSinger

06-02-2004, 12:06 AM

I read elsewhere, that the place they were cleaning, was in the back of the complex. AND, a Hilton hotel was overlooking that area. Still, think someone close might know more. I still don't get why the WAITED to notify police. Hmmm. Any new news?

scandi

06-02-2004, 01:11 AM

Hi ShowerSinger,

Havn't watched the local news yet - even if I was listening to it I wasn't , as I've been reading on the Laci forum.

He was re-arrested? I have heard nothing about that on the local news in Portland. All I have heard is that even though he was released they are still following him and looking at him intently!

If I hear more on the 11 O'clock news tonight, I'll let you know whaz up,OK

Scandi

scandi

06-02-2004, 11:27 AM

Before I head off to work, thought I'd let you know the newest thing.

Since last night on Fox cable news, they have been running an ad - bright red 'ABDUCTION' on a black background with a great pic of her in the center, and then white writing on either side giving all the facts. It is stunning, beautifully done, and gosh, it runs really often - maybe once every half hour.

I've never lived where we have a major missing case like this, so it might be common. Fox must be footing some of the bill, plus the LSD church, as it would normally cost a fortune to do this!

Well we did have the Miranda Gaddis and ??? case with Weaver caught, digging up their bodies in his back yard, but they never did this for them. I still cringe at the thought of that monster using those girls for hi sick pleasure. He is now in a mental hospital, and the trial has been delayed.

xoxoxo Scandi

Jade

06-02-2004, 01:40 PM

....... My second one, which is darker and I'm sure not true, is that her brother-in-law took her. Sick I know.

I thought of him also.

IdahoMom

06-02-2004, 02:20 PM

I thought of him also.
Me too. Has the brother in law appeared on TV at all?

englishleigh

06-02-2004, 05:39 PM

Hi, I'm new here. I have been following Brooke's case intently. She reminds me a lot of my baby sister who is the same age. I think the idea of the BIL being a suspect is an interesting one. I'm sure they have interviewed him closely and also examined relationships within the family. I really hope he has been ruled out. That would be absolutely horrible. Not that it isn't already.

--Leigh

MysteryMomma

06-02-2004, 05:49 PM

I thought of him also.

I felt "bad" thinking that. My mind went there for the following reasons:

1. Most people are killed by someone they know ( I'm hoping she is alive)
2. The cleaning bucket was left behind as if she was called away for a second by someone she was close to
3. She is so pretty, is her sister as pretty as she is......isn't she staying with them? I think a lot of men can be tempted by a young pretty girl....

annemc2

06-02-2004, 09:06 PM

hi guys - still not much to report from Corvallis. Sung Koo Kim was released (again) from jail after his parents posted $100,000 bond. People in the area are being urged to search private property and abandoned buildings on their property.

like Scandi said, the cable news alerts are pretty amazing. they've been on several cable channels for the past few days.as far as that being common, I've never seen such a thing. i'm such a crime-nerd that i always try to keep up with missing persons cases and in Houston we had a TON of them. Adults, young adults, children, with a small blurb on the news (if that) and then nothing. So, yeah, it seems this case is getting pretty intense coverage.

now they just mentioned something about a security camera in the area of Brooke's disappearance on the news preview (kgw) and then did not follow up.....grrrrrr.

Newsperson

06-02-2004, 11:22 PM

This is my first post to this site. I discovered it while doing some research on this case.

As my name would imply my posting name is also my profession. I live in the Albany/Corvallis area and have been covering this story from the beginning, and have personally met most of the principle players- the family, the police, the searchers, and the neighbors. It is a very emotional story to cover for a number of reasons which I will expand upon later.

First, I would like to respond to a few things I've read on this thread.

One thing I've discovered is that speculation is rampant, and in some cases things have been reported by the media that are not true, or at least misleading. Rumors abound. For instance, it was reported that a saw mill was searched because a psychic had called the tipline telling police to search a nearby sawmill. True, an abandoned sawmill was searched. However, that sawmill happened to be in an area that was in the particular grid search for that day and it had nothing to do with the psychic. Anyone who knows this area knows that there are LOTS of abandoned sawmills nearby that closed after the spotted owl became an endangered species. This is just one example. The psychic aspect was also played up because during one of the press conferences Lt. Noble said that "We are looking seriously at every tip." Later he was asked if they had recieved tips from psychics and people who had dreams about Brooke and he confirmed that they had. So some reporters said that the CPD was following up on dream tips. It goes on and on.

MysteryMomma is not the first person to question whether the brother in law may have done this. Brooke was, by far, the prettiest member of the family. However, both brother-in-laws have been completely ruled out and were by mid day the day after the disappearance. Some of the rumors regarding this theory were verrrry vicious. Particularly around the neighborhood of the apartment.

As to the security cams. There are none at the apartment complex. Period. Outdoor security cam tapes have been collected from other businesses from around the area. For instance there is a convenience store nearby etc. That was actually done early on in the investigation too, but early on CPD were playing their cards pretty close.

As to Mr. Kim it's interesting to note how he was linked to OSU. He was originally busted with panties and bras that he had stolen from coeds at George Fox college. Turns out he had quite a collection at home and liked to organize them, keep track of where he stole them and when-even writing down the name of the person they were stolen from a couple of times. A pair of the panties had an OSU address. The person he stole them hadn't even reported them gone (which makes sense, how many of us have lost a sock?).
The question I can't get answered about Kim is why OSU, and whether he had stalked this individual prior to stealing her underwear.

Personally, and I'm only speculating, I think that the search should spread out more along highway 20-34 and areas that are easily accessed from the highway but also obscured from view during daylight hours. The gravel pit that was excavated was an area that concerned me on Tuesday. It has instant access to Hwy 34 but no one goes down there. Last summer a person happened to walk down in that area and found an outdoor meth lab, that according to police, appeared to have been in operation for quite some time sitting only about 200 yards off the highway. The Corvallis/Philomath area(particularly Philomath) are surrounded by places that a quick dump could be made unnoticed just off the highway. My theory is that is how they will find her. Some of the areas that have been searched, in my opinion, are sometimes too remote. This crime, to me, seems to be one of convenience.

As to why no witnesses, part of it is that you have students in class and people at work. OSU is a big campus and the apartments around OSU are filled with students.

I was at the vigil. (damn this is more of a blog, I'm sorry) What struck me was how many people were crying. I don't think I've ever seen 500+ people teary at the same time. I was okay till the kids started singing. I was proud I made it thru "How great thou Art" but the children singing was just too much. I was up near the front close to the family and had to get away before I lost it.

I went back behind the crowd and moved away from the courthouse and near sidewalk. As I was gaining my composure I noticed a woman moving around the back of the crowd near where I was with a handicam. Then I noticed a couple of others. The police were filming the gathering. A couple of times a uniformed officer would approach one of camera people say something and look off in a general direction and the camera person would take off to where the uniformed officer was looking. It was confirmed later when all of the camera people got into an unmarked white van with a uniformed officer driving and took off.

What makes this really difficult is to talk to family members daily and see how they continue hoping that Brooke is alive. It's more than hope. They BELIEVE she is alive. It's the juxtaposition of their optimism vs the grim fact that there a nearly no tangible leads or suspects.

One final personal observation. This is a nice loving family. They aren't rich, they aren't put on. They have been devastated. One night during a press conference Cammie, the mom, was asked what it was like to go home. "It's...quiet...and...sad. The dogs are even sad....they're just....so...sad." It made me so angry that these people could be treated so horribly by some sick s.o.b. I hope they find the person that did this to Brooke and her family. They deserve closure and justice.

Today 2 more persons of interest were dropped from the list. Two more were added. Kim remains a "person of interest."

Best wishes.

IdahoMom

06-02-2004, 11:43 PM

Newsperson-

Thanks so much for your insight. That was such a well-written, thoughtful post.

I am glad you're here. Welcome.

RCOOKE

06-03-2004, 12:18 AM

Juliana

06-03-2004, 12:26 AM

Newsperson- Thanks for the insightful post. Our hearts are hoping Brooke will be found safe and soon. Our prayers are with her and her family.

IMO

scandi

06-03-2004, 12:46 AM

Dear Newsperson,

I also thank you for coming to our site to talk to us about Brooke, giving us your observations.

One thought I gained from reading you is that the police planned ahead of time to document with photos everyone who attended the vigil as part of their sleuthing plan, as often people like this who commit crimes where death is involved go back to the scene of the crime, to the funeral or to public gatherings where they honor the victim. I don't know why, but would guess they do this to relive a moment in time, much as serial killers often take a momento.

Let's hope this works. I wonder why the 2 new persons of interest are suspect. And did they attend the Vigil? I think they were maybe looking to see if anybody they might feel is of interest was at that vigil. Do you think they are keeping watch of the site from where she disappeared? You have the feeling he was stalking Brooke - knew her habits and times of arrival, lunch break, etc? The OSU student whose underwear Kim had, do you really think he would stalk her and then sneak into her room to get a pair of panties? Sounds pretty risky to me. I would rather think that he was branching out for new colleges to strike as the 'panty raider. I read he was charged before with entering dorms on three other universities. He wouldn't dare go back to these schools. He must have some connection to that Corvallis area to pick OSU as his next university for a dorm panty raid. I mean he had 1000 pieces of underwear the police laid out in that one picture they show on TV.

Well most interesting. I liked you idea of searching Hwys 20 - 34 for the reasons you stated. They must run east and west.

Keep us posted if you will, as we are all simply pulling for her safe return home.

Thanks,
Scandi

MysteryMomma

06-03-2004, 01:04 AM

Newsperson you should share your ideas about where to seach with someone involved with the searches......is the church still involved with that? Or contact some of your LE connections. Your instincts seem sound on this case.

Thanks for your observations and thoughts.

scandi

06-03-2004, 01:40 AM

That was very informative NEWSPERSON. A lot of those details are not making it in the media. I can relate to what her mother said. After such busy days where you are surrounded by tons of people, the nights are very quiet and the nightmare becomes even more real.

Hi Mr Cooke,

It is good to see you here. I have thought so much about Rachael and wish with all of my heart that she will be found to come home to you and your family. I've read lots of posts by you and believe me, if she could come home guided by a bright star, it would be you.

Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie

06-03-2004, 04:42 AM

Hi Newsperson,

Thank you so much for this post and for bringing your insight here. I was especially interested to read about the vigil being filmed; I'm now sure this might be a 'regular' practise at most vigils. Learnt something through your post!

One wonders if people don't want to believe society has some sickos running free ~ perhaps that's why a few folk go one step further than the usual 'eliminating a family-member first'. That must be terribly distressing and does little to help the pain. Conversely, it's a natural reaction, too. I know that Dru's b/f, Ed Smart (etc etc) were all given a tough time too.

I know this family is suffering, praying, hoping, searching and greeting each day with a numb response. Hundreds of folk are praying for Brooke as well as the many other missing souls. These events change lives, re-shape our family network and cut right through our belief system.

The paradox is that generally these monsters walk about undetected and quite freely for years on end ~ out in the open and yet, in the blink of eyelid a precious & innocent soul is usurped from a loving family.

Scandi, you're a skilled warrior of justice and one of the most caring and thoughtful posters I've ever come across.

Prayers for Brooke...

Annie.

deputylinda

06-03-2004, 05:37 AM

been out of the loop, working last couple days...is there no news about this young lady? God give her family strength.

englishleigh

06-03-2004, 12:55 PM

Thanks, also, Newsperson. Please, if you can, continue to keep us informed on the search for Brooke. I am so glad the BIL's have been ruled out.

Mr. Cooke, your family is in my prayers for the return of your precious Rachel.

--Leigh

CaliKid

06-03-2004, 05:57 PM

Anngelique

06-03-2004, 11:31 PM

Hi everyone,

I did not know WS had a board for Brooke.

I have been deeply disturbed by Brooke's disappearance for several reasons. First, I live 30 mins from where she was abducted. Second, I am LDS also and she is an outstanding LDS youth. One who truly lived her faith. Third, because I am always touched by missing cases. Fourth, I feel horrible for her fiance who is on a mission in Venezeula. I can only imagine the horror he is going through.

Someone asked about the CTR ring. I know it has been answered but it is very similar to the WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) that mainstream Christians wear on items. The CTR (Choose the Right) is given at a young age, but it is a cheap ring given at that time. Many of us active LDS people buy the more expensive rings of 14k gold or sterling silver to wear as a constant reminder. I bought all 4 of my kids the expensive ones for Christmas one year. They all loved them.

I am totally amazed at how much faith Brook's family is showing. They are a total inspiration to me.

I pray each and every day, several times a day to help bring some kind of news of her whereabouts. I think of her often, just like I did Laci, Miranda, Ashley, Elizabeth, and so many more.

I so want to have this turn out happy like with Elizabeth, but I don't have a good feeling about this.

:o(

scandi

06-04-2004, 03:52 AM

Hey, Hi Calikid! I'm glad you decided to post here, as there are some really special people that you will meet - probably already knowing them by heart by now, reading since January! ;)

An interesting post you have written, to boot! Oregon. Land of the Empire Builders, home of the brave and free! Yes, it seems that we should be way beyond this, being able after all this time as a state to inspire people to be fair and lawful. The real estate code of ethics in Oregon is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The Golden Rule. And yet we have our fair share of henious crimes, as every other state must have.

What is it? I don't think it is our particular environment and collection of people that is responsible for these crimes. Are you a Cali Kid transplanted in Oregon? It might be that you hear more about local crimes if you live here. I think every state has more than its share of murder, and everything pretty well equals out.

But there is another factor too. For some reason the public picks up on certain crimes and follows them faithfully, feeling some unknown affiliation with the crime, taking justice for the victim/s to heart. It is probably because in some way, there go but I, or my niece who resembles her so much, or this ape of a man who looks just like my next door neighbor - whatever the reason. The All-American gal, like Laci, who we would all love to know.

And Cali, we might have an exceptional press force in our state with outstanding connections to the media. Everyone hears routinely across the nation what happens in our state. A pretty evenly balanced state - not too much to the left or the right, but rather a gentle mix of both, depending what time frame you are talking about.

Because of this, we are heard loudly. And our problems are known to many. And some of our crimes have been illustrious and horrible. Burying 2 bodies in your backyard who were the friends of his daughter, raping them in her presence, and now fallen victim himself to mental disease, although I could believe in a quick second that faking insanity is a far better out, living in a state hospital than on death row in a 6 x 8 cell 23 hours a day, forever until you walk down that last stretch to the table. But there is Manson in Califas, and as many more like this in every state. We just don't hear about these crimes as much. We are concentrating on our own little corner of the world, just like they are in theirs.

Scandi

CaliKid

06-04-2004, 04:05 AM

No I'm in Southern California, although I have family in the Portland area.

My biggest interest, apart from the sorrow of all these missing kids, is that my ex bought a house in Klamath Falls and plans to move there, and my children will be visiting him on holidays and during the summer. He's not a very good dad and doesn't really pay attention.

Naturally, I don't want one of my kids popping up missing, and like I said there seems to be a lot of missing children and teens in Oregon. Maybe it's all the open area to hide bodies in.

scandi

06-04-2004, 04:12 AM

Hi Anngelique,

Good to hear from you, a fellow Oregonian!

I've somehow got this feeling in my gut that this crime happened because someone lusting after women looking like Brooke, chose a college town environment to find his victims. There would be many to choose from, and most gals are flattered by seeing someone glance over and give a smile, having no suspicions at all they were being surveyed as potential candidates for a night they would never forget out behind the trees on a lonely stretch of road. They are young, gullible, serious students but love their off-study time being just girls.

I think that is one reason they have singled in on Kim. He fits all of these thoughts. And he has hung out at and walked beside many a gal at other universities north of Corvallis in the greater Portland area.

I think the police do know much more than they are letting on. Right off the bat, 5 days into the crime, there was a bit of sanity and release of tension. They learned some things and they fit together like a puzzle.

So Anngelique stay away from campus areas, and if you have daughters that are the right age, keep them away too. This outrageous thief in the daylight is still there, walking among you. It would scare the living daylight out of me if I was there. Or in Eugene. Same as Corvallis. Just watch your back all the time until this perv is caught. Promise?

To me theft by daylight gives a bold and stalking feeling. Serious business.

Scandi

dannyodie

06-04-2004, 07:30 AM

just wondering if any of you all remember hearing of a prostitution ring in colorado that hosted mostly young girls, some as young as 13. I believe that there is an outfit somewhere in mid west that is the reason that alot of americas children turn up missing. I believe that there are people out shopping for the next victim to sell or trade on this so called sex market. to many perverts out there that makes xxx videos of young girls and boys. if only the law enforcement could locate more of these outfits then maybe our children and loved ones would be a bit safer in there own back yards. the prostitution ring in colorado is probably just one of many in this country, I am glad the police busted this one, maybe if they looked deep enough into these people they might find out a whole lot. maybe even find some of the girls that have been missing in the usa for sometime now. since the age of the internet this problem will only become worse as time goes on, all porn sites should be banned from the internet, and those that harbor such websites should be jailed. of course there is that freedom of speech and all that other hipe, but the fcc regulates much of the internet since it is a communication system connected to telecommunications line. the above is just my own opionion and thoughts. :croc:

Newsperson

06-04-2004, 02:32 PM

Greetings again.

Thanks for all of the kind welcomes. It is very appreciated.

Scandi, you are asking a lot of the same questions that I've been asking. Specifics of the investigation into the "persons of interest" have been purposely vague, which is understandable as the investigators don't want to show all their cards.

Regarding Kim....

The stalking question came up, and when Kim was questioned he had said "no" but since his is the only word on the subject, who is to know for sure? That angle is being investigated. The problem is the inclusion of names with some pairs of the undergarments. Rhetorically, is that a sign of stalking before the theft, of potential stalking after the theft, or is he o.c.d?
There are some off record things some of us were told regarding the character of Kim and I can only say he is someone who bears watching.

Also regarding sex offenders who are required to register their address-19 in Benton County (Corvallis is the county seat) are unaccounted for. They cannot be located.

Sex offender break outs (I can't find the exact notes I had on this but I roughly remember the #'s) 160+ in Benton County and 550+ in Linn County.
The Linn County line is just across the Willamette River from Corvallis. Albany, which is only about 10-12 miles from Corvallis, is the Linn County seat.

The latest on the efforts to find Brooke:

Yesterday Brooke's mother, Cammie, made a plea to the kidnapper to bring Brooke back. She is still holding out hope that her daughter is still alive. She also thanked those who have been searching. Many of the searchers have had to take personal time from their jobs and school to search for Brooke. Cammie strikes me as a very classy woman, who under the circumstances, has held up much better than I believe most of us could while facing the press. I'm sure at home she's having a hard time, but publicly she handles herself with a simple grace.

On the searches: A big change starting today (Friday).
The large grid type shoulder to shoulder searches thru blackberry berms, poison oak, thistles, grass, and plenty of pollen (to name some of the things that have made this search so ugly for the volunteers) have now ended. A little over 3000 acres have been searched. Part of the reason the main reason the searches have come to an end is that many of the volunteers have jobs they must attend to and it's finals week for students. Those volunteering will now start a new effort canvassing with a new flier with some different photos of Brooke. They will also resume the use of "hasty teams."

Hasty teams have been used since about day 4 of the search. They are teams of three travelling by car, boat, bicycle, horse, atv, and foot. They travel fast compared to their gridsearch counterparts. They are armed with gps units and digital cameras. They quickly scan areas looking for anything that could be suspicious like bits of clothing, transient camps, porn (yes, they have found a bunch of it), anything that could be considered out of the ordinary. The hasty team will jot down coordinates, take pictures and head out for more searching. They then return to the information to investigators who follow up on these locations. A couple of things of note the hasty teams have found include an outdoor meth lab and some pot farms.

The new hasty teams will be made up of professional searchers including trackers who will be on call 24/7 to follow up on tips, and will evidently be doing some searching independent of tips as well.

Talk about fortuitous! I just talked to the PIO for CPD. The nuts and bolts latest (as of a few minutes ago) are the following:

Still five persons of interest. Kim is one of them. Contrary to what I wrote earlier besides Kim, there is another who is not a convicted sex offender and as to the reason he is being questioned is not being stated.

It was confirmed to me that there is some specific information that is being held back to be used as part of future interrogations should a suspect be caught. (A couple of things I've been quizzing them about for about a week.)

The bookings from the nearby hotel have been checked and are being rechecked. No confirmation as to whether anyone at the hotel at the time, has a criminal history or anything else to indicate something amiss.

The FBI agents assigned to this case-one in Oregon and one in Quantico- have yet to come up with a profile because of the lack of hard evidence. One of the t.v. stations supposedly had an FBI profile, but it wasn't an official one done by anyone with information to ALL the details.

CPD will continue with their press conferences until "people stop coming."

And for what it's worth-CPD has 8 or 9 theories they are working on.

MysteryMomma---I've expressed my concerns about the search pattern. I'm still waiting to hear about one place in particular that bugs me everytime I drive by it.

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but the Wilberger family, in particular Greg (the dad), is in daily contact with the Smart family. From what Greg says they have offered moral support and advice, and have been a great comfort to the Wilbergers.

Calikid asks why all the missing/murdered kids and teens in Oregon. Sometime pick up the book "The Day America Told The Truth". It's about 10 years old now. It's a book dealing with demographics broken down by region on a variety of subjects that generally aren't the arena of pollsters or researchers. My recollection is that the Pacific Northwest led the nation in the per capita percentage of sociopaths. Go figure.

Best wishes to all, and thanks again for the warm welcome.

Newsperson

06-04-2004, 02:33 PM

By the way, sorry for the length of my posts.

annemc2

06-04-2004, 02:38 PM

thanks, newsperson, for the excellent and very informative post. i learned more from reading your one post than i have scouring the media day in & day out. everything you said about Soo was reported in today's paper -and, boy is it some creepy stuff. great to see you here and thanks for sharing your info/insight into this terrible crime.

btw, i don't think anyone followed up on my "panties in the park" lead but these underwear were not labeled (i gave them a hard stare!). like i said, probably some overzealous teenagers celebrating a holiday weekend. :doh:

Newsperson

06-04-2004, 02:52 PM

annemc2,

My understanding is that a lot of reports, like yours have been made by the public and the searchers. It could be they did go look. You bring up an interesting aspect for me, and that is how the tip line is prioritizing certain calls or e-mail.

If I were you I would call them and ask, particularly if it's bother you.

englishleigh

06-04-2004, 03:37 PM

Newsperson, I am not up on Oregon law, but can they ask any of these "persons of interest", particularly Kim, to take a polygraph? I mean, I know they can ask...but I wonder if it's something being considered.

Newsperson

06-04-2004, 03:54 PM

In some cases it's already been done. Honestly, I never really looked at the polygraph question quite from your angle. Convicted sex offenders do have certain requirements that legally they must abide by that other ex-cons do not in our state. For instance registering where they live with the county and local authorities. I'm not sure though whether they can be required to take a polygraph (doubtful actually) because that information isn't admissible in court. They can be asked to take a polygraph. Whether a sex offender can be REQUIRED is another question, but I will check.

So I know it has been used and that some of the original persons of interest moved off the list IN PART because of the polygraph.

I have a suspicion, (MY OPINION ONLY AND PURE SPECULATION) that members of the family may have been polygraphed. It has to do with body language exhibited during one of the late evening press conferences when the topic came up. I have to reiterate I am only speculating and the speculation is not based on anything anyone said.

You people ask good questions. I will follow up on some of them.

Newsperson

06-04-2004, 04:07 PM

Just found out the Salt Lake City FBI are interviewing BYU students and asking if Brooke was having any problems that might have made her run away and disappear or for someone to harm her. No details on how many people were interviewed, nor when the interviews took place. Seems I remember something about SLPD assisting in a general way from last week. They say none of the interviews proffered anything useful.

englishleigh

06-04-2004, 04:52 PM

Thanks, Newsperson. Let us know what you find out about the polygraphs!!

Dugie

06-04-2004, 05:22 PM

Just thinking here...

Jon Krakauer wrote a book called "Under the Banner of Heaven" which is about Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. He makes sure to emphasize that these fundamentalists are most definitely separate from the true LDS church, so I mean no offense to any real Mormons, but I wanted to throw it out there. These fundamentalists are zealous about things like plural marriage and subservience of women. Krakauer also goes on to describe the two major sects of the fundamentalists, one of which is based in British Colombia, but has a lot of followers peppered around the Pacific NW region.

This case seems kind of like Elizabeth Smart to me, in that the girl is accomplished, family-oriented, and beautiful. The guy who abducted/"married" Elizabeth Smart was not in one of those organized sects, but it did not prevent him from doing what he did. It's not inconceivable that the same type of thing could have happened to Brooke. What do you guys think?

scandi

06-05-2004, 02:59 AM

Well Dugie, aren't you a breath of fresh air coming in out of cyber space! ;) A hearty welcome to you!

I lived and breathed the Elizabeth Smart case. I was my first venture into forum-world, so to speak. In general we all felt that LE was not effective in going about solving the crime as they kept the public out of their doings and didn't make the public a part of the project solving her disappearance. Then Sgt Corona hit America hard with team sprited investigations, which did so much for LE all over America. Still SLCPD was slow going and never did get a handle on the crime. It was solved by a call to the tip line, not through investigation.

So as it equates to this case, Le has been very sincere in including the public in ways that they can to help find her. In Elizabeth's case, I venture forth in saying the Morman church took a strong play in the crime and/or coverup of it, that is only in forum world. We learned so many things about the church that were horrid - taking their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed - that just can't be true. How they controled the police dept decisions and also that of any other civic entity in the city, which I probably think is mostly true.

But we were so far off in Elizabeths case, that I often hope that maybe we have learned a lesson here. The Morman church had nothing to do with her captivity. The parents were not in collusion with the church to have Elizabeth spirited off to have a baby! It was a simple case of a chance meeting between her and an utter nut from Butternut, who then pursued her, kidnapped her for his own, covered her with his scent so the dogs that were nearby wouldn't discover her and molded her mind to make her think the way he wanted her to.

This case parallels her case so much, and I would hate to see us fall into the same pitfalls.

What do you bet it is someone with a perverted mind that stalked her, learned her modus operandi and then snatched her when the time was ripe. For all we know she is somewhere up in the hills being held captive, covered with his scent so she will not be discovered.

But whoever took her will make some mistake and someone will call the tip line. She will be found, and I just hope for her dear ones that she comes home alive.

Scandi

scandi

06-05-2004, 03:11 AM

Hi Newsperson,

Do you think the father got really upset when he was asked to take a polygraph? I have heard on the news that tomorrow is the last day of regular searches. He says at that point , if she is not found, they will have to accept her as being gone and get on with their lives, even though they adore her and love her so much.

Does anyone else think his attitude and actions are not what we expected. It is less than two weeks that she has been gone. Time, flowing like a river, Time, we couldn't see! Even through all of their agony and the turmoil in their lives now, I do find their aproach highly unusual. I also wonder what the police make of this new change in the case? It was a hand motion someone in the family made at the evening press conference? Have they started looking in areas along Hwy 20 to the coast, so similiar to the place where Danielle was found?

Will look forward to more updates from you!

Scandi

spydog

06-05-2004, 04:11 AM

Quote from Scandi

So as it equates to this case, Le has been very sincere in including the public in ways that they can to help find her. In Elizabeth's case, I venture forth in saying the Morman church took a strong play in the crime and/or coverup of it, that is only in forum world. We learned so many things about the church that were horrid - taking their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed - that just can't be true. How they controled the police dept decisions and also that of any other civic entity in the city, which I probably think is mostly true.

Where in the world do people get their ideas from!! The Mormon church does not take their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed! Were you being Sarcastic Scandi?

Newsperson..it sounds like you are right there in Oregon. I've often wondered if the police have had scent dogs out there. Do you know? Seems like they should have been able to pick up Brooke's scent from where she was abducted. Also, I've wondered about anyone's survellaince tapes. Has LE asked businesses (including the college, apartments, etc.) to look at their tapes. Many times they wait too long to requests tapes, and they have been taped over.

CaliKid

06-05-2004, 04:53 AM

Quote from Scandi
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Where in the world do people get their ideas from!! The Mormon church does not take their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed! Were you being Sarcastic Scandi?

Scandi was talking about fundamental cultist LDS, spydog, not mainstream. I remember this same discussion coming up when Elizabeth Smart disappeared. Polygamy used to be part of the traditional Mormon religion, and there are still offshoots who believe it is okay to take more than one wife. Look at Brian Mitchell, Elizabeth's kidnapper. She was to be one of seven wives he imagined God was telling him to "procur". So there is a possibility that the same thing might have happened to Brooke.

Juliana

06-05-2004, 09:14 AM

Scandi: "It was a hand motion someone in the family made at the evening press conference?"

Is there a video of this press conference on line somewhere? My curiosity is getting the best of me. Also, is there is a video of the dad saying they are just going to have to accept that she is gone and get on with their lives (paraphrased).

Thanks.

IMO

PolkSaladAnnie

06-05-2004, 01:10 PM

newsperson: please dont apologize for the length of your posts! (I'm the one who should do that, lol) :crazy:

They're so informative and bring so much to the discussion. Many of my own thoughts and questions are answered here by the likes of yourself and scandi ~ for example: I was particularly interested to learn from your earlier post that the FBI has been interviewing BYU students. Any news on that score?

Your *suspicion only* regarding the polygraphs on family members is fully accepted and understood, too. After all ~ where do you draw the line between being safe and being sorry? Sadly, the stigma of having had to take a poly leaves less to be desired; but just as has been highlighted in the Scott Peterson case, the mere fact that close family members and relatives take these polygraphs covers 2 areas: 1 that LE are indeed doing their job; and 2 that no person is 'eliminated' until all ground has been covered.

That also underscores the 'length and breadth' of the dire consquences these abductions have.

As for Kim... being in possession of over 1000 pairs of female undergarments beggars belief! cpd? I'd say more than that and it's so true this is highly indicative of stalking, or else HOW on earth would he know when. where, how to gain access to such items. Win lose or draw as regards being connected to this case, I'd say Kim is definitely a sour character of ill-intent (or in the makings thereof).

Finally, (Juliana might be interested in this response, too) did you pick up any feedback apropos the vigil being video-taped? Could those tapes perhaps have referenced 'other' types of body-language? Any other video tapes avaialble??

Oh dear! There's got to be something; there just has to be! Brooke was barely back at that apartment ~ broad daylight; it doesn't make sense.

Prayers for Brooke continue. Faith in justice presides! God bless all.

Annie.

scandi

06-05-2004, 03:52 PM

Hi Juliana,

I watched the father on the news last night and heard with my own ears what he said - so I don't know if there is a video link to this. He had been crying a lot, you could tell by his face. But his countanance had changed, and I got the feeling from his words that if they don't find her today then they will go on with their lives and always treasure her in their hearts as they adored her so much.

Newsperson mentioned it was 'body language' at the news conference from the family, so I took that as a body movement of negativity, not a verbal one.

Something has had to have been learned by the father to make his attitude change so sharply. The police might have made him angry asking him to take a LD test, or maybe one of the persons in the family who resisted the request. I would never imagine him giving up in spirit like he has stated in so many words. The search will just take on a different tone now, with LE officers and not so much w/ the public.

Gosh, especially with Ed Smart talking to him on the phone every day, giving him encouragement.

Oh, and re: the sacrifice of a young Morman, it was widely talked about in reference to the dedication of some huge church center or building as I remember, and of course links were flying right and left. I never believed they actually killed a girl to glorify the dedication of some huge new church!

Scandi

Newswolf

06-05-2004, 05:46 PM

I don't know if this is the story Scandi saw or not, but there is a video link here, under her photo.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67955

englishleigh

06-05-2004, 09:18 PM

It's always so sad to me when they stop searching...I know they aren't giving up, really, but it sure feels like it. :(

God, please bring bring Brooke home to her family!!

Juliana

06-05-2004, 09:37 PM

Hi Scandi,
I have looked forward to your posts on this thread - you are very insightful.

I watched the video with the link Scandi posted. Let me preface my next statement with this: I know I am gullible - I always want to believe the best of people. But when I saw the video, I saw a very sadly resigned man, a father who very humbly felt that he had been asking alot of the public in the last couple of weeks to look for his daughter, and if they could just do one more search, he would ask no more. Maybe he doesn't realize how invested the local public is in finding his daughter - how his plight and his daughter's plight have touched the heart of Oregon and the area.

My heart just breaks knowing that this family will again try to rest tonight, not knowing where their daughter, sister, friend, is and what has happened to her.

scandi

06-05-2004, 09:52 PM

Hi Juliana,

He tried so hard not to cry, and it looked like he had been crying as his face was red and his eyes a bit swoolen. I heard a lady officer say today one of the reasons they stopped the search is they do not have one lead to go on.

When I have listened to the police spokesman before, he made it real clear this Kim guy was still being intently looked at. The guy has been arrested twice.

Maybe what the police are using here is a diversionary tactic, to relax the perv, to see if there are any more moves made. One thing we have learned here is that criminals often go back to the scene of the crime to relive it - or if she is held captive somewhere would have to bring food and water, right? They said the searches now would be LE ones, on a tip by tip basis. Makes sense to me! And it would explain why they stopped the searching after only 2 weeks. Maybe they know more than they are letting on - Gosh, I hope so!

This Kim is really the only thing we have to analyze. I wonder if he has a friend who has a bite mark on his arm! It could have been done with an accomplice. Oh, this is so hard. Hope Newsperson comes to give us a new update after the search closing.

spydog

06-06-2004, 03:04 AM

Since her flip flops were left behind, I would think that would be an excellent tool for the scent dogs!! We leave cells in our shoes, etc. And if her flops were left behind, she must have been barefoot, even more reason to use a dog.

Does anyone know if dogs have been used? If dogs tracked Laci down several roads and to Berkely, don't you think dogs could at least point the police in the right direction?

It's not too late, they need to use them now if they haven't already. And survellance tapes. It took LE in Modesto 3 weeks to find out that the salon where Laci and Scott had gone on the 24th had tapes!! This just appauls me!!

Media needs to ask ALL business or anyone else you has tapes to review them before they get erased! Even if it isn't close to the place Brooke was abducted. YOu never know, some tape may have a car driving down the street and you may see Brooke in the back or something! Gas stations!!
There certainly are more leads to go on!

dannyodie

06-06-2004, 07:59 AM

I have wondered to myself if it has been thought of that there are two people involved in this case, one driver and one person to grab her as the duo pulled up, I wonder if the police have used dogs also, the longer they wait the less scent that will be left. only grassy areas will retain the scent well into a year after the scent is left, but on pavement the scent is gone in as little as two weeks. I am feeling that this is not going to be a good outcome for this family, seems like she could have gotten away or something, but since a body has not been found then that leads us to believe she was taken out of the area.

Juliana

06-06-2004, 09:12 AM

I don't know, but I have a feeling that LE has done everything they can, including the use of dogs and looking for video tapes. They seemed to jump right on this and handle it seriously as an abduction for the get-go.

scandi

06-06-2004, 02:24 PM

Well last night on the late news, I saw Brooks Mom and she set my heart at ease.

She made a quick statement, something like, is't OK, the police have a plan! The'll still be searching, but they had to do this to put their plan into effect.

Now that is my wording - I then fell asleep and didn't even log off! LOL But anyway, what she was saying in my mind was that LE has a new plan that they need to put into effect, and she must know the plan and feels very good about it. She seemed at ease and was smiling.

One thought that creeps into my mind is that they are now going to try and draw somebody out. They must have formulated the plan for some reason, right. And they have added #6 person to the list.

It is certainly possible there is an accomplice. The other OSU co-ed who was being forced into a car by 2 men and bit one of them, it might be connected for all we know.

They are still running that commercial for her like every hour in the Portland area. A really beautifully put together commercial!

Keep you posted!

xoxo
Scandi

spydog

06-07-2004, 03:11 AM

Newsperson

06-07-2004, 12:06 PM

Hi again.

I'm going to rip through some of your questions and try to keep things a little briefer than usual.

Polygraphs-With one exception they cannot be required for anyone in Oregon. The exception being that they can be required as part of a release agreement.

Fundamental LDS connection- Yes, this is one of several theories that investigators are exploring. Nothing to prove or disprove the connection is what I was told. Actually very little evidence to prove anything in this case, other than the fact Brooke is gone.

Dogs-Search dogs have been used quite a bit. They have searched cars, the apartments and property and have been used in field searches as well. I believe that they used dogs on the very first day of the search.

FBI-Nothing new, the investigation in Utah hasn't turned anything up, at least that's what they are saying.

Taken out of area-She didn't need to be taken out of the area to not be found. Anywhere within 10 miles in any direction of her abduction point has literally thousands of areas where a body could be secreted and never found.
That's one of the things that made the search so daunting, and why a public plea went out for property owners to search their property.

I think the family is coming to grips with the possibility that they will never see alive Brooke again. Saturday I was talking to one of the family members after the morning press conference and just wanted to say how much I hoped that Brooke will be found. For the first time since this started the response wasn't about how they thought she alive, but how they wanted closure. Big change there.

While mother Cammie remains strong and upbeat, I have to say that to me she looks like she's aged 10 years in the last two weeks. Not surprising really, just a random observation.

Yesterday they had another prayer vigil in Corvallis. It was nice to see 200-300 people show up considering how lousy the weather was. It was a very nice service. It was just as much for the volunteers, searchers, and officers investigating the case as it was the family. It was very nice I thought and really exemplified how the community has pulled together in so many ways to bring Brooke home.

Yes, I live in the Albany/Corvallis area.

Best wishes.

Newsperson

06-07-2004, 05:16 PM

By the way Annemc2, was just checking my notes and I forgot to include a kind of answer to your question regarding the tip you called in.

Each and every time that a tip comes in, it's prioritized by either the lead investigator or the shift commander depending upon who happens to be in the office. From that point it goes to an investigator who follows up.

First priority has been to those tips that include names/persons of interest or supposed spottings. From that point on it's up to the discretion of the officer in charge how something is prioritized. I was told that EVERY tip that has or will be recieved will be followed up on, even if those tips are on the ridiculous side. They generally haven't called people back on their tips unless they need further information.

They have had plenty of item sightings including last week a sweatshirt that caused quite a stir that looked something like Brooke's but it turned out it wasn't.

The CPD reiterates, any tip can help. Call them. I haven't called with any tips, but I have bugged the search coordinator to get someone to search a couple of pieces of property that have been bugging me. They did search one of them, another still requires permission as they haven't been able to contact the owner.

Sorry I forgot to include your query in my earlier post.

Best wishes.

Anngelique

06-07-2004, 10:04 PM

Our ward (or congregation) had a Ward trip to the Portland Temple on Thursday. I was going to attend but I was very sick. I wish I had been able to make it. As one of my friends in church went and she said Brookes Mom and I think Dad were there. They spoke to the members in the chapel and thanked them for their prayers and for all those who have been fasting for her return. I was told she was trying hard to be in good spirit, but you could see how hard it has been for them. Their family has been amazing in the same manner that the Smart family was. They have drawn close together and have gathered strength from each other.

scandi

06-08-2004, 12:22 AM

Hi Anngelique,

They are all remarkable parents. So full of heart and they just have to trust at this time oftheir lives. It is so hard to imagine having your child just poof! gone and not know where she is and if she is safe.

I watched the Temple being built, and what a sight it was to watch as it grew. It is inspiring to see, all white stone with all of it's spires reaching up.

Thanks Newsperson for all of the information. Did they ever go search Hwy 20? Do you have any idea what their plan could be that Brookes mom talked about? Well keep us posted as we do appreciate it! ;)

Scandi

Anngelique

06-08-2004, 12:48 AM

Hi Scandi,

Did you get to take the tour when it was open to the public? I think the outside does not do the inside justice. Part of the reason is the feeling you get when you are in there. Total peace and calmness. I know if my child was missing that is where you would find me when I was not working on the searches.

Yes, thanks Newsperson for the updates. Never apologize for your posts length as you are writing what we all want to hear. (Well we would rather hear she is found safe and alive, but we want to hear all news)

I feel so at a loss about Brooke. I felt the same way with Elizabeth Smart and so many others I have followed. I don't know why I feel a certain connection with certain cases, but I do. It tears me up inside when I hear another beautiful daughter of God is missing or murdered.

For those of you who don't fully understand the demeanor Brooke's family is showing, I can honestly say it is because of their faith. Being LDS we have faith and knowledge of our after life. We like most Christians feel this is just a stopping place, but the after life is for eternity. If Brooke is found dead she will be missed terribly by those who love her, but we know she is in good hands in heaven. I don't want to sound callous at all, but it is actually a comforting thought. (My mom died when I was 12 and this has helped me so much at such a young age)

I still pray for Brooke to be found alive. It could happen (look at Elizabeth Smart) but it is unlikely this far into time. I will continue to pray for her until we find out otherwise.

annemc2

06-08-2004, 01:56 AM

thanks for getting back to me about the tip thing - interesting to see how some things inside the investigation work. thanks, also, for keeping us all updated with your excellent information - much appreciated!

scandi

06-10-2004, 01:14 AM

Gosh, no one has posted here for 2 days! Have you heard anything more Anne? I'm still seeing these ads to help find her all the time in Portland.

Just hoping there was something new!

Scandi

Newsperson

06-10-2004, 03:56 PM

Right now there really isn't anything to report. If anything is happening, it's behind the scenes.

About the only things that have been going on, is that a new suggestion list to the public has gone out, outlining what the public can do to help find Brooke. Nothing new has been suggested. I think it's mostly to try and get people thinking about it again.

There is also going to be some "debriefings" which are more like a chance for people to deal with some of the depression they are experiencing because of the inability to locate Brooke. It's mostly for police and searchers.

That's it really. Sorry I couldn't have anything to share that is a little more positive on the investigative front.

K777angel

06-10-2004, 05:00 PM

I too live in Oregon and have been watching the Brooke case closely.
It breaks my heart.
This apartment complex Brooke was abducted from is right across the street from some of the dorms at Oregon State University. A friends' freshman daughter lives in one. She is scared to death for her safety! As all parents are. Even parents of boys. (Like me - whose son will attend OSU next fall.)

I pray they find out soon what happened to Brooke. My family considered going down to search for her a couple of weeks ago. But we heard they were turning searchers away.
Our youngest son is a Search & Rescue Explorer for the county we are in (outside of Corvallis) and we've been surprised they have not called upon them to help in the search. It was brought up a few times - but they must not have been asked because no search was organized. To date anyway.

Keep praying everyone. Put yourselves in those parents shoes.
Not to mention poor little Brookes'. God help this country and the perverts it is producing at an alarming rate......!!

dannyodie

06-10-2004, 05:59 PM

I was reading the post that k777angel made and would like to say that maybe they are turning searchers away, any one as far as I am concerned can go out and search, you don't have to get permission from the law enforcement to do so, the only thing of course is that to search private property you have to have permission from the owner of that property, most people won't mind, especially in a missing persons case. I feel that every one in that area that owns property should get up and spend a day looking over the remote areas of there property for any sign of this young lady. hey more power to you for wanting to go out and search, If I lived in colorado I would go out and do what I had to do to help this family out. I have been involved in the search for a missing nashville girl that went missing on april 29th of 2003, this child disappeared without any trace and still to this day we are no closer to finding out what happened to this child which would be 14 now. so go out and search I am sure the family would be greatful of any effort in finding there daughter. have any of you all there heard of a prostitution ring that got busted some months ago? seems I remember hearing of it all the way down here in nashville, I believe that some of the girls were as young as 13, if they got the people that were running it, I am sure there are others that have not been found yet, many of these groups move there girls to nevada to slave to the world of prostitution to the creeps that do that sort of thing. to many clowns not enough circuses.

Newsperson

06-11-2004, 10:34 AM

I'm still trying to find out more about this but....

A MAN DESCRIBED AS A POSSIBLE PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE BROOKE WILBERGER ABDUCTION IN CORVALLIS IS DEAD AFTER A SHOOTING RAMPAGE. SALT LAKE CITY POLICE SAY 39 YEAR OLD RICHARD WILSON SHOT AND SERIOUSLY INJURED TWO WOMEN AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BEFORE SHOOTING HIMSELF WHEN TRAPPED BY POLICE. WILSON WAS RECENTLY RELEASED FROM A WASHINGTON PRISON FOR RAPING A WOMAN AT GUNPOINT AND IS ALSO A PERSON OF INTEREST IN A SIMILAR CRIME IN OREGON.

(Sorry about this being in all caps, but I cut and pasted this is from an e-mail I recieved from a newsperson I know out of state.)

Anngelique

06-11-2004, 11:09 AM

Here is a bit more information about this last news....

Man of interest in kidnap kills self

The Associated Press
June 11, 2004

GRANTSVILLE, Utah — A robbery-shooting suspect who killed himself following a high-speed chase had been released from a Washington prison only months ago and was suspected in a number of crimes in the Pacific Northwest.

Richard Wilson, 39, had served a sentence for raping a woman at gunpoint in Washington a decade ago.

He was released in February and moved in with his parents in Walla Walla, Wash., but was suspected in other crimes in Washington.

“He also has thefts, unlawful vehicle possession, drug violations and other assaults,” Walla Walla police Sgt. Matt Wood told KSL-TV in Salt Lake City.

Wilson also was wanted in Oregon for an alleged “rape at gunpoint,” the station said.

In Idaho, Elmore County Sheriff Rick Layher says his investigators left for Utah to see if there was a a connection between Wilson and the slaying of 17-year-old Teresa Garcia at a rural home at Mountain Home on Tuesday.

“They’re going down there to check it out. Right now, it’s hard to say if there is or isn’t.” Layher said.

In addition, police in Corvallis told KTVX in Salt Lake City that Wilson could be a person of interest in the disappearance of Brigham Young University student Brooke Wilberger. She disappeared May 24 from an apartment complex owned by her family near the Oregon State University campus.

The chase that led to Wilson’s suicide followed two shootings Wednesday in the Grantsville area of western Utah.

The first shooting occurred at Grantsville laundry. Kimberli Lingard, 17, who worked at the laundry, was found by patrons about 7:30 p.m. and was flown to University Hospital in Salt Lake City, Police Chief Danny Johnson said. Less than $50 was taken.

Her family issued a statement Thursday saying that after hours of brain surgery, “she is doing better than we initially expected.”

The second shooting occurred about 9:30 p.m. at a gas station/restaurant in Delle, 70 miles east of the Nevada line, Tooele County spokesman Wade Mathews said. A clerk, 59-year-old Dee Jensen, was shot in the neck. She was flown to a local hospital, where she is listed in serious condition.

After the second shooting, investigators received descriptions of the gunman and his vehicle, and roadblocks were set up.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=81761

I sure hope he did not go to his grave with information about Brooke. That would be heartbreaking!!!!

annemc2

06-11-2004, 03:03 PM

whoa - thanks for the updates, guys. that is truly terrifying. like Anngelique said, i sincerely hope that this guy didn't go out with valuable information about what happened to Brooke.....

dannyodie

06-11-2004, 06:05 PM

question; how far from where brooke went missing is any desert land? just thinking if the man that killed himself could or would have gone to the extreme to bury a body or if he would just find a place to dump a body? just wonder if he was the person that did this if he would drive so far as a desert area to dispose of it?

Anngelique

06-11-2004, 06:25 PM

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68145

GRANTSVILLE, UTAH - Police investigating the Brook Wilberger disappearance are frustrated because a "person of interest" in her case killed himself.
Utah police told KATU that Richard Wilson shot two people, execution style during a robbery Thursday then killed himself after a police chase.

Wilson is also a suspect in two other murders and a rape in Biggs Junction, which is east of The Dalles.

Ten-years-ago he served a sentence for raping a woman at gunpoint in Washington.

Wilson served time for the rape, and was recently released from prison. Corvallis investigators are aware of a possible connection to Brooke.

"He's just a one name of many that we'll take a look at. We've added him to our list of people to look and determine if he's in this area," said Corvallis Police Lt. Ron Nobel. "He's obviously tied at least to the Columbia Gorge in Oregon and Biggs area. He is a person in the Northwest that's obviously engaged in some pretty bad activity, so were gonna take a lot to make sure he's not involved."

It's been 19 days since Brooke disappeared in Corvallis. Police have received more than 2,700

There is a video as well.

scandi

06-12-2004, 12:42 AM

I hope he isn't her kidnapper. It might to find out where she is then, and I so want her home with her family.

I wonder what it is that made them add this guy to their list? Nothing specific, I don't think, just the fact he was a crazy who raped women and was operating in the Northwest. Doesn't seem to be enough of a reason to seriously consider him as the perp. Unless he can be traced back to being in the Corvallis area at the same time she went missing. Now that would be different!

Thank you Newsperson for the information. ;)

Scandi

dannyodie

06-12-2004, 11:34 AM

scandi, I think that the reason that the police may consider him a person of interest is for the fact that he left from wala wala washington, then on to biggs,then continueing on thru portland, corvallis and finally to medford. since he was know to target girls the age of brooke and the fact that he went thru corvallis makes him a person of interest in the eyes of the law enforcement. they claim that there is some credit card receipts that show his travel history from wala wala washington down to the medford area, the police will be going thru the car to look for evidence that could link him to brooke, hopefully they will use scent detecting dogs to see if they hit on the car for brookes scent.which would remain for a great deal of time inside the car, I do really hope that they consider doing just that. if she was ever in that car there will be some trace evidence of her left in it, hair strands, scent, maybe even trace blood evidence, so if he is the man then he may have taken her on down the road towards medford, whatever highway that would have been, maybe he found a place off along side the road that would be remote for him to assult her, maybe she will be found somewhere along the way, I do hold out some hope she is alive, but looking at this mans history it leaves a possible fact open that she could be deceased. I enlarged the picture of the man in question and couldn't really tell if he had any finger nail scraches on his face, but looks like he has a rough appearence and scrathes might no be visible in a picture. hopefully time will provide the answers into her disappearence.. god bless this family...

Anngelique

06-12-2004, 11:58 AM

Concert to aid search for missing woman

Five groups will perform tonight in a free concert in Corvallis Central Park on behalf of the community’s efforts to find Brooke Wilberger.

The 19-year-old Brigham Young University student vanished May 24 from a parking lot at an apartment complex near Oregon State University.

Hundreds of volunteers have combed through more than 4,000 acres around Corvallis, fanning out along railroad tracks, scouring a Christmas tree farm and driving rural roads in five counties.

The concert will be from 7 to 9 p.m. at the park’s gazebo.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=81793

annemc2

06-12-2004, 04:17 PM

from today's local newspaper (not newsperson! ;) )
http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2004/06/12/news/community/sat02.txt

Anngelique

06-14-2004, 01:50 AM

Corvallis Police Search for Kidnapping Suspect

Corvallis police want to know if an attempted kidnapping Friday is connected in any way to Brooke Wilberger's case. Police say this composite sketch looks like a man who lured a 17-year-old girl into his car Friday afternoon in the town of Lebanon. The girl managed to escape.
The suspect is driving a Silver Honda Accord with gold tint. The car has four doors and has a tan interior.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68197

Please click on this link to see a sketch of the person who attempted to kidnap the girl Friday. Whether or not this person is connected to Brooke I hope they find this skumbag soon!!!!!!

Anngelique

06-14-2004, 11:12 AM

Man attempts kidnapping, police seek any link to Wilberger case

LEBANON — Law enforcement officials are seeking any possible connection between a recent attempted kidnapping and the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger.

A man with a goatee, wearing a sweat shirt bearing the letter “A,” lured a 17-year-old girl into his car Friday in Lebanon — 18 miles from where Wilberger went missing May 24.

The girl in the latest attempted kidnapping managed to escape unscathed, officials said.

A hunt is on for the abductor, who last was seen driving a silver Honda Accord with a gold tint. The news comes after Corvallis discounted a possible connection between a Washington parolee and Wilberger’s disappearance.

Lebanon police Det. Kim Hyde said that police do not know if the abduction last week has any connection to the disappearance of Wilberger, 19, who is thought to have been kidnapped from the parking lot of an apartment in Corvallis.

Lebanon and Corvallis are sharing information about the cases and will pass along any leads, she said.

The Lebanon incident occurred around 1 p.m. Friday, when the suspect driving the Honda Accord passed the girl on the street and shouted at her to get into his car. She complied, thinking he had a weapon, police said.

He drove a few blocks and then received a call on his cell phone, which the victim told police appeared to agitate him. He pulled over and let the girl out. She was not hurt.

Hyde said that eight hours later, a man matching the suspect’s description pulled up to a woman in her late teens or early 20s who was riding a bicycle in approximately the same location. The man was in a Honda that matched the earlier description.

This time, he only talked to the young woman and did not try to get her to enter his car, Hyde said.

— Dan de Carbonel

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=81903

Benefit concert held to thank volunteers

CORVALLIS — Family and friends of Brooke Wilberger gathered Sunday for a benefit concert in Corvallis to thank the thousands of volunteers who helped comb the college town in the search, which began 21 days ago, for the missing college freshman.

And on Saturday, Corvallis police said it doesn’t appear likely that a Washington parolee was involved in Wilberger’s disappearance

Richard Wilson, 39, had interested the Corvallis police because the Walla Walla resident is thought to have been on a crime spree throughout the Northwest after his release from prison in February, including a rape in Biggs Junction, a three-hour drive from Corvallis. Wilson killed himself Wednesday after running into a police roadblock in Utah.

“We have not developed any evidence that suggests Mr. Wilson has been in western Oregon, much less the Corvallis area any time recently,” Corvallis police Lt. Ron Noble said in a statement released Saturday.

BADFlSH

06-15-2004, 05:02 PM

Did anyone else notice that this happened 19 days after the 30 year anniversary of ted bundy abducting a corvallis woman? Most likely just coincidence but 30 is an awfully round number...

scandi

06-16-2004, 04:32 AM

Bon Soire,

Was in bed watching Greta and Lordie do, a girl has been taken close to where Brooke disappeared from. Had to get up and see if there was any news here. I'll stay and tell you the news so you have it first thing in the morning.

Last week a 17 year old girl in Lebanon was kidnapped and got away. He had a gun, got a cell phone call, got agitated let her go. White male w/ baseball hat, made no demands. Got a good sketch.

Abductions happen very seldom here - Lebanon is 18 miles east of Corvallis. A straight shot between the two. Police think there might be a good possibility the two cases are connected but still looking at the other 4 - 5 persons of interest, some more than others.

That's it. Should be a pic in the paper.

Scandi

IndigoFalls

06-16-2004, 05:43 AM

Hi, my first post here. I don't know how to do this very well, but I guess I will learn. For starters, I live in Corvallis, Oregon. I have frequently been in the area where Brooke was abducted. In broad daylight, there is not a lot happening near that area. Maybe a few pedestrians and a quiet hotel parking lot, and most apartment complexes seem pretty empty...maybe students are busy at school.

Did anyone else notice that this happened 19 days after the 30 year anniversary of ted bundy abducting a corvallis woman? Most likely just coincidence but 30 is an awfully round number...

With regard to KIM (person of interest) Ted Bundy did come down from Washington State to Corvallis and killed a woman here... the theory being that he was throwing off the police in Washington. So it certainly wouldn't be unheard of for someone else to do that.

If Richard Wilson drove from Washington State to southern Oregon that does not necessarily mean he stopped in Corvallis. Corvallis is west of I-5 approx. 10 miles, and would not be on the way if he went down I-5. I would think his vehicle is being searched every which way.

Here are just some random observations. I spotted (not at the crime scene but later and south of it) a very suspicious man. He had red hair. There is a similarity but not totally similar to a man with red hair listed on the web for Benton County. I'd have to go double check, but he was either a parole absconder or a registered sex offender. I think the latter but I'm not positive. Anyway with his photo showing red hair, they clearly list him as having blonde hair. I am afraid if I point the error out to someone in authority that they will just blow me off. But right now, he would be eliminated from even being looked at as a redhead, because of the mistake in listing. He might not have anything to do with Brooke W., but it is very doubtful if any detectives would link it up.

I reported some suspicious activity to a State Police Dispatcher and was blown off with an "alrighty..." but they didn't even take my name or number. The police tell the news and the news tells us they are looking for anything out of the ordinary, out of place, odd. I have reported such things, and nothing comes of it. I don't call 911 because my tips are not life threatening emergencies, but when I e-mail or leave a message on the tip line or talk to a disinterested dispatcher on the non-emergency line, I feel discouraged.

Newsperson, do you happen to know if red hair and a beard have entered into the equation? like with any of the persons of interest? I read somewhere that a black boxy car was named as the vehicle on an attempted crime, but now I can't seem to find where I read it. Was it the attemped abduction shorty before Brooke was abducted? I was thinking maybe it was the event in Lebanon, Oregon, but I guess that was the silverish Honda. The suspicious man I saw had a black boxy vehicle and it had some very distinctive writing on it. Do you happen to know if they know about some writing on the vehicle and are holding it out as a way to be sure of reportings?

2 more questions, 1) Did any psychics actually send in tips? I know you said there was some misreporting about the sawmill. But did any psychics mention a rock quarry? (not the Morse Brothers disturbed earth thing) but maybe Green & White Gravel on Payne Road? or any quarry?

2) Do you happen to know if profiles for predatory men would generally include or not include obsessive-compulsive behavior as far as the neatness and order of their person, their home or their vehicle?

Thanks very much.