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maiseyjane
05-25-2004, 07:28 PM
police think the 19-year-old was abducted from an apartment complex by Oregon State University on Monday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120918,00.html

maiseyjane
05-25-2004, 07:34 PM
here is a link to some pictures of her

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67648

indigomood
05-25-2004, 10:21 PM
This is so sad and disconcerting. The young woman reminds me a lot of Dru Sjodin in appearance. I wonder what sex offenders are living in the area? Seems a reasonable place to begin the investigation given the recent climate and crimes in the news... I hope against hope for a positive outcome

deputylinda
05-25-2004, 10:27 PM
just saw her family on greta...tiny, young, pretty. the perfect victim. sorry to say this probably won't have a good outcome. just the cop in me speaking. by all accounts a lovely young lady.

scandi
05-26-2004, 02:27 AM
Hi,

Living in Portland, only about a 2 hour drive to Corvallis, it was a sad moment when I came home from work tonight to find this had happened here, in my backyard, so to speak.

I watched the news in disbelief as I heard her brother try not to cry as he spoke with such deep emotion, trying to be upbeat and hopeful about the situation. I found myself crying outloud, so mad that this could happen again to a priceless and special young woman. And somehow feeling the utter loss this family must feel - a tight family of 6 children, very religious, totally taken by surprise at her being taken from them.

I could only pray then that optimism must prevail, for hope does spring eternal, and all the thoughts we have and the good spirits of everyone who hears about her, will hold her tight and keep her alive to come on home.

And then, watching the news and hour later, I saw they had found the other girl who disappeared, dead, carried off in a body bag. A sad night for this family of Brooke who still have hope, and yet who also know the possibilities that lie ahead for them.

God be with them and give them the blessings of love from all of us. I will pray for her safe return home.



Scandi

dannyodie
05-26-2004, 06:51 AM
I just wonder if the person that did this was one that lives in the apartment complex? or maybe someone that was visiting with someone there? seems like to me this was a moment of oppertunity. I hope just like everyone else that she is found alive.

Jade
05-26-2004, 11:05 AM
On the Today show it was said that it was several hours before the police were called. It seems a bit strange since she was reportedly such a responsible person that they were not immediately alarmed. I guess I could see waiting five or ten minutes in the event she helped a little old lady with her groceries… but hours?

annemc2
05-26-2004, 04:21 PM
this one has really got me freaked out. my husband & i moved to corvallis almost a year ago and i have never felt safer in my life. we frequently forget to lock our doors and i walk all over the place by myself with no worries. having moved from houston, this complacency has taken some getting used to. i guess it goes to show you that you can never be too comfortable, no matter where you are.

i hope and pray that she is found safe - but like a pp said, it doesn't look good. reports make it seem as if she is an extremely reliable/responsible person who wasn't looking for a way out of a bad siutation. and i really don't like how the papers say that, in the parking lot, there was evidence of a struggle taking place. what is that supposed to mean?

i'll be sure & keep you guys posted if there is any local news or rumors on the street......

annemc2
05-26-2004, 11:32 PM
there was a criminal profiler on the evening news that said that the perpetrator is most likely a charming young-ish male (basically describing a sociopath - reminded me of scott p!) that might have been following her on recent frequent trips from Eugene (her hometown) to Corvallis (about a 45 min drive). also said that she may well have known her abductor.

searches have been called off for tonight, as it's getting dark, but the community support is amazing. i didn't even leave my neighborhood before i saw flyers on streetlights & telephone poles.

Jade
05-27-2004, 01:21 PM
Thanks for the update.

dannyodie
05-28-2004, 06:14 AM
I had a thought that the person that took this young lady could very well be someone at the complex she worked at, would it be possible for someone to get her to come to there apartment making her think they were in need of something? then when she gets to the door maybe she was dragged into the apartment? the criminal profiler forgot to mention that the police is looking for a creep.

Doyle
05-28-2004, 07:39 AM
Words of encouragement have been streaming in for Brooke Wilberger's family as search crews continue looking for the 19-year-old BYU freshman.

At a Thursday news conference her family gathered to thank the volunteers, authorities, and the media for helping get the word out about Brooke.

"We are just overwhelmed with the response of all the volunteers searching for Brooke and we are thankful for everyone and everything," said Brooke's mother Cammy Wilberger.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67735

Police have identified as many as 20 'persons of interest' in the suspect abduction Brooke Wilberger -- who vanished early this week from a Corvallis apartment complex -- but so far they have no suspects, authorities said Thursday night.
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_052704_news_missing_woman.201e751ca.html


Under gray skies and cooling temperatures, more than 200 volunteers turned out Wednesday morning with long-sleeve shirts, walking sticks and gloves for a third day of fruitless searching for Brooke Wilberger, the Brigham Young University student police think was kidnapped Monday.
Behind the search was an unusual effort: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints mobilized even before police could on Monday, pouring an extensive effort into the search for one of their own. Although joined by others in the community, the church brought in resources far beyond what police could muster.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/108565901353680.xml

packerdog
05-28-2004, 12:29 PM
I just heard on Fox that a strange discovery was found in reguards to this case. Anybody hear what was found?

pugsley
05-28-2004, 12:44 PM
they are not saying much....




CORVALLIS, Ore. (AP) — Police have cordoned off a gravel pit in Linn County after searchers looking for a missing 19-year-old university student found "a strange discovery" near the Willamette River, a police spokesman said Friday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-6/108576144943040.xml

Newswolf
05-28-2004, 01:12 PM
Pugsley I can't access that site without registering, so I don't know if this is repetitive but on Fox the police said there was an area of dirt that looked freshly dug and that is why they are searching there, no body, no clothing. Just covering all the bases.

pugsley
05-28-2004, 01:32 PM
thanks newswolf, that article did not give any new info. other than that first paragraph.

pugs

annemc2
05-28-2004, 03:05 PM
apparently last night search teams detected a foul odor near a gravel pit that is located approx. 4 miles from where Brooke disappeared. this morning they brought in cadaver dogs and a forensics team, and checked out some nearby tire tracks.

so far, the corvallis police have not confirmed any of this info, but are expected to release info to the media around 12:30 pacific time. :(

Luanne
05-28-2004, 03:12 PM
I just caught a clip of this on the Seattle noon news. Apparently there was what appeared to be "fresh digging" in the gravel pit, which has now been cordoned off.

I hope for her safe return.

packerdog
05-28-2004, 03:22 PM
I heard that nothing was foumd in the gravel pit. Still hopeful.

pugsley
05-28-2004, 03:32 PM
I saw on another board that they were originally called to the scene because a report of a foul odor. There was no story link, so I don't know if it's accurate.

MysteryMomma
05-28-2004, 03:38 PM
Gosh, this is scary. It doesn't look good.

Oregon has tons of places to hide bodies......it is a lush and beautiful state. I lived there for a short time.

I wonder if the Church organized so quickly due to their experience in the Elizabeth Smart case? I know it is a different state but the LDS church is a highly organized group.

I'm so jaded. My first thought was is like Audrey Seiler (sp)? My second one, which is darker and I'm sure not true, is that her brother-in-law took her. Sick I know.

annemc2
05-28-2004, 03:39 PM
local news just had press conference with Lt. Noble of Corvallis PD. Searchers initially were interested in the area due to "freshly disturbed" gravel/earth, strange odor of "oil" or decomposition, and tire & foot tracks.

today forensics teams sifting through soil found NOTHING. cadaver dogs found NOTHING. then they brought in a backhoe and dug approx 4 ft deeper in the disturbed area and also found nothing. what a relief. also said that the odor dissapated when they finished digging (?).

no suspects as of yet but are keeping tabs on 5 "persons of interest." police feel the investigation is "moving forward" even though they are feeling frustrated at lack of progress.

that's about it as far as I heard - will keep you posted if i hear any developments......

mushyb
05-28-2004, 07:31 PM
Her website

www.findbrooke.com

scandi
05-28-2004, 11:42 PM
Hi,

I just watched the news conference here , and the Chief said they are hopeful and feeling better than they didMon - Wed because if she was dead they would have found her. So they are all feeling strongly that she is still alive and being held captive.

They released one of the 5 POI, so there are 4 left. They are not all Sex Predators, bot also include men who have zoned in on girls like Brooke and acted suspiciously.Two FBI profilers working in tandem, one from Wash DC, one from Corvallis. Not enough info yet to let out a profile, but every tip helps and then a light goes off for them.

David Smart has been working with them, and he said that they have done more in 3 days in trying to locate Brooke than 3 weeks in Elizabeths case. The family has been tight with Mr Smart, as you know they are both Mormans.

Oddles of searchers - huge outpouring of help, big search tomorrow, and the church has organized a whole lot of 2 person teams to drive around the local area everywhere, down alleys, in the country, and see if they spot anything of interest or unusual.

That's the basics. Sounds like another Corona in charge - older, but very caring and 'up on it', and darn determined to find Brooke and bring her on home!



Scandi

EDIT: I think in Corvallis they have a rather large force of National Guardsmen, an active grouping. I don't know how that stands now with so many gone to Iraq?

dannyodie
05-29-2004, 06:11 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=67763 police have at hand at least 5 people of interest. after clicking the link look for the video link to this story

indigomood
05-29-2004, 07:14 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040529/ap_on_re_us/missing_woman

CORVALLIS, Ore. - Amid new expressions of optimism by police, volunteers renewed the search Saturday for a 19-year-old college student who was last seen at her sister's apartment complex and was feared kidnapped.

Authorities also expanded the search, asking volunteers to drive the back roads of five surrounding counties during the weekend to look for abandoned vehicles, pieces of clothing or anything else suspicious, Peirson said.


Searchers were told to pay particular attention to routes from Corvallis to the home of Wilberger's parents in Veneta, outside Eugene, Peirson

scandi
05-29-2004, 07:32 PM
Hi Indigo! Ooohh, I love your lady.

I've been thinking that since the Police said they were intently looking at these 4 men, and feeling more at ease than they were on Mon - Wed, have talked to them all - it didn't say if in person - and thinking there might be something in particular about one of them that says something. None of them live in her neighborhood. They suggested it might be someone who watched her drive from Eugene to Corvallis on a regular basis, which she did, going from her folks home to her sister's apt house. So maybe she had seen this person and maybe made a comment to a friend or family member, like gee, that guy is weird. Or gee, I always see that same guy right behind me as I drive on the freeway. You know it is possible, or sounds plausible because of the way they are handling the case.

And with this person in particular, if they have zoned in on him, he might have done something similiar at one time with a gal much like Brooke, and since he didn't kill her it now gives the family and police hope.

What do you think?


Have heard nothing new today at all, but know they are out searching in force. Maybe there will be a news conference tonight!



:blowkiss: Scandi

indigomood
05-29-2004, 07:42 PM
Hi Indigo! Ooohh, I love your lady.

I've been thinking that since the Police said they were intently looking at these 4 men, and feeling more at ease than they were on Mon - Wed, have talked to them all - it didn't say if in person - and thinking there might be something in particular about one of them that says something. None of them live in her neighborhood. They suggested it might be someone who watched her drive from Eugene to Corvallis on a regular basis, which she did, going from her folks home to her sister's apt house. So maybe she had seen this person and maybe made a comment to a friend or family member, like gee, that guy is weird. Or gee, I always see that same guy right behind me as I drive on the freeway. You know it is possible, or sounds plausible because of the way they are handling the case.

And with this person in particular, if they have zoned in on him, he might have done something similiar at one time with a gal much like Brooke, and since he didn't kill her it now gives the family and police hope.

What do you think?


Have heard nothing new today at all, but know they are out searching in force. Maybe there will be a news conference tonight!



:blowkiss: Scandi

Hi Scandi :blowkiss:
thanks for the compliment on my siggy pic. Might be my favorite so far...
I really am not following this case as close as others so I'm really not qualified to interject much. I just happened upon the update so thought i would post it.

My initial gut feelings were that this young lady met with much of the same fate as Dru Sjodin and others like her. I did not have a good feeling as to a safe recovery of her. I also did not have a good feeling about Elizabeth Smart and thank God miracles do happen. I always hope against hope until there is evidence to the contrary.

It sounds like the authorities believe there will soon be a break in the case and I continue to pray that she is alive.

I read an earlier post of yours on this same topic and you made mention of Mike Corona in the Runnion case. That man was my hero. A man of strong convictions and impeccable charactor. Do you know when that case is to go to trial??

scandi
05-29-2004, 11:41 PM
Hi Indigo,

I havn't heard, but I think it should be a very short trial - mnight not even be one, do you think? He might cop a plea as he is pretty much 'cooked' well already!


So I have an interesting tidbit of news. On the 6pm local news, I gleaned an interesting fact about one of the 4 men they are focusing intently on. He is Japanese, I think. They got a call on the tip line about this guy who lives in Tigard , Or, a part of SW Portland. He is in jail tonight down by Corvallis or maybe Eugene for stealing things from the University. They came up and arrested him today.

He has a sexual fettish of collecting women's underwear. Was recently arrested 3 times at 3 local Universities collecting and stealing the women's underwear! For real. A total perv :eek: Looks as normal as apple pie so you would never expect it.

So he is not being held having anything to do with Brooke's case, but rather the new charge in Corvallis. But here is the clincher. He was seen in the same area where Brook disappeared . Remember the policeman stated that the 4 weren't all sex offenders, but had done things in their past that made them suspicious and liked women that were just like Brooke.

Can you believe it? The Policeman did give us a real hidden tip, didn't he, with that statement! It is what made me feel they knew something they couldn't tell.

Now I think the reason they think she is alive is something was mentioned about him working in cahoots with another man in his previous panty stealing offenses. If he still works with him, maybe he is holding her and they were both using her for their satisfaction. So this fact alone would ease the minds of her parents and of LE. They must have an idea who this guy is or I don't think they would have mentioned this on the news.

And so there very well might be great hope tonight that she is not dead but possibly being held somewhere by this man's accomplice. Hey, maybe the accomplice is also one of the 4 men. MY interjection only here. LOL Get me a goin' and I'll have this worked out in short order! BaHa Haaaaaaaaa :D

Remember I only heard this newscast once, so there are parts of it I am not sure about.



Scandi

scandi
05-30-2004, 01:59 AM
Hi,

How Funny, I am the only one here tonight :eek: Where is everyone?

Anyway, I learned a bit more and have a little correction :blushing: A few weeks before Brooke was kidnapped, there were two men who tried to abduct a girl quite close to the same location from where Brook disappeared. She did not go willingly, and proceeded to bite one of her abductors. This foiled their attempt to take her.

So of course it sets the old wheels a turning around about if this same thing is also what happened to Brooke, only they overpowered her and she was taken. I don't know if this second man is involved with the guy in jail yet.

Let's hope the man in custody has a bite mark on his arm and a friend holding her hostage. Then we'll most likely have a happy ending with Brooke being brought back home to her family. I hope so!




Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie
05-30-2004, 02:55 AM
Hi Scandi... I'm just back here! :)

Thanks for that update. I googled and found this:

http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D82SNG901.html

Praying for Brooke...

edited later ~ to include the Latest News Update link:


30K Reward. Carol Sund Foundation has offered 5K reward ~ coupled with Borden Chemicals' 25K.


http://www.ci.corvallis.or.us/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1244&Itemid=1592

ShowerSinger
05-30-2004, 01:11 PM
They are calling him a "person of interest."

annemc2
05-30-2004, 01:45 PM
hmmmm, now they are saying that the "panty pervert" is no longer a person of interest at this time. he was released from the county jail (on $25,000 cash bail) last night.

they are continuing to investigate the attempted abduction that occurred near OSU on 5/20, where, like Scandi told us, the girl bit the creep(s) and got away. apparently they have a suspect & vehicle description but aren't releasing that info.

this was reported in today's local paper - www.gtconnect.com

annemc2
05-30-2004, 01:48 PM
sorry - looks like that link still has yesterday's headlines (even though it has today's date....). maybe later on today they'll have the newer stories - headline is "Search widens to 5 counties."

scandi
05-30-2004, 02:27 PM
Good Morning,

Boy how things can change overnight~ I kinda just woke up LOL and have heard nothing on the news yet. They do have regular updates on her site, I believe, so think I'll go see if there is anything new.

Anna, do you live in Corvallis? Last night on one of the news shows - from Seattle maybe as I watch that quite often, they made a comment about what a really wonderful family Brooke has. I havn't heard her mom talk much, but am so impressed with her father. He is alot like Dru's father, and of course Ed Smart. Too bad we all thought Ed was hiding something and had a male lover. We were just trying to figure him out though to help put the case together.


See ya soon :o Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie
05-30-2004, 05:08 PM
Just in...

http://www.kirotv.com/news/3362591/detail.html

Posted too quickly! Sorry! My attention was caught by the words RE-arrested on the opening line... seems like it's the same story. Apologies...

scandi
05-30-2004, 05:45 PM
Hi,

I just heard a live report on Brooke on Northwest News from Seattle, and they didn't say anything like he has been released. Just that he has been arrested on burglary for panties taken from an intrusion he did at a USU dorm, but they are still looking at him intently in her case because of his background.

We will have to wait until they give another live press conference. :(

Anna, you might have more up to date news being so close to the happenings there today!



Scandi

Chapita4
05-30-2004, 06:17 PM
Here's a link to her missing poster - I believe that the strange discovery that the news is alluding to is that her flip-flops were found in the parking lot. Also, they also took a person of interest into custody again - he had been arrested recently for stealing women's underwear from nearby where she was taken.

http://www.findbrooke.com/

annemc2
05-30-2004, 09:44 PM
katu news this evening reporting that sung koo kim (aka the panty pervert) *is* still considered a person of interest in the case, although his parents provided an alibi for his whereabouts at the time of Brooke's disappearace.

they also said that they are looking for a "black, boxy car" in relation to the attempted abduction on 5/20 of the girl-who-bit-the-guy and that there were 2 men in the car.

registered sex offenders in the area are still being looked at - there are 140 in benton county (where corvallis is located) and over 400 in a neighboring county (linn co). they are looking for 19 in benton co. that failed to register new addresses.

searches continue throughout the holiday weekend. and there are flyers *everywhere* - like i said earlier, i have never seen such an outpouring of community support. it is amazing. we are all praying for brooke's safe return.

ShowerSinger
05-31-2004, 03:50 PM
Hello everyone!
I was just wondering if anyone knows what the initials CTR stand for on her ring. Another missing girl, Kiplyn Davis, from Spanish Fork, Utah also was wearing a ring with those initials at the time of her disappearance.
If anyone knows, would you please post.
Thanks.

scandi
05-31-2004, 03:53 PM
Wow Shower Singer! That might be really something! Have you contacted the tip line?

I've heard nothing today that is new.

Scandi

Juliana
05-31-2004, 04:33 PM
Hello everyone!
I was just wondering if anyone knows what the initials CTR stand for on her ring. Another missing girl, Kiplyn Davis, from Spanish Fork, Utah also was wearing a ring with those initials at the time of her disappearance.
If anyone knows, would you please post.
Thanks.


I did a google search and found lots of references to CTR rings. It is a Mormom thing, I think. Stands for "Choose the Right". Not quite sure what the significance of that, I'm off to do more searching. Just wanted to post this for others to ponder.

Here's a link to the page where I found the reference to CTR. It's about 1/3 of the way down, you really have to search.

Edited to add: I've now done more searching and I think the CTR ring is just kind of a "catchy" thing to remind people, especially younger people maybe, of their faith, kind of like "WWJD" (What Would Jesus Do?)

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/qa/42.htm

ShowerSinger
05-31-2004, 04:53 PM
Thank you, Juliana. Just makes me wonder more, if there isn't some Morman connection. I have a few friends who are Morman's and haven't seen any of them wearing a ring. Still, police always look at family, first. Sure hope bro-in-law doesn't have any connection to Spanish Fork, and that missing girl. Or maybe, some of the family knows some connection. Mormans tend to be close, especially when they visit other area churches/temples. I hope they find some good news. The Davis family still hasn't.

Juliana
05-31-2004, 06:09 PM
Shower Singer,
Here is a link to Kiplyn's information. I was surprised to see she disappeared in 1995, wearing the CTR ring. I just figured that the CTR thing was a new thing with younger people of the Mormon faith. Seems like it has been around awhile.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/davis.htm

annemc2
05-31-2004, 08:46 PM
wow - great sleuthing, guys! no new info to report from Corvallis today. i did just submit my 1st tip ever to LE - i was walking the dog in the park and found a pair of women's underwear. i've been in the park/woods near our home every day for almost a year now and have never seen anything out of place like that - any kind of trash is rare. so with all of the underwear connections to this case i thought i should at least let somebody know, just in case there is any significance whatsoever. probably just silly teenagers on a holiday weekend but still creepy!!!

annemc2
05-31-2004, 08:55 PM
I did a quick search on "choose the right" and found this girl's site - looks like what Juliana found.... kind of like it's based on a hymn or some kind of learning tool?

http://www.christysclipart.com/choose_the_right.html

PolkSaladAnnie
05-31-2004, 09:01 PM
wow - great sleuthing, guys! no new info to report from Corvallis today. i did just submit my 1st tip ever to LE - i was walking the dog in the park and found a pair of women's underwear. i've been in the park/woods near our home every day for almost a year now and have never seen anything out of place like that - any kind of trash is rare. so with all of the underwear connections to this case i thought i should at least let somebody know, just in case there is any significance whatsoever. probably just silly teenagers on a holiday weekend but still creepy!!!

Good on you, annemc2 for your observation and quick response.

Please take good care when you're 'out there walking in the park and the woods', OK!

scandi
05-31-2004, 09:25 PM
Ann, I am glad you called that in to the tip line. Every little tip is magnamous in a case like this.

Last Wednesday I emailed Laurie McQuary in Portland, the psychic who helps police depts all over the world find missing people.

She replied to say she never takes a case unless the family or police dept ask her to come into the case.

Then later that nite I heard a blurb on TV that the police are not going to use any psychics in the case.



Scandi

KOOL LOOK
05-31-2004, 11:55 PM
Somebody knows where Brooke is. I wonder if they'll tell.

scandi
06-01-2004, 12:13 AM
Yes Kool Look, and I think LE has much more of an idea than they are letting on to us. Listening to the police spokesman, he kind of lets subtle clues slip out. He made a statement now, which I can't bring to mind, but immediately gave me this feeling.

Let's hope and pray she is alive and being held captive somewhere.



Scandi

spydog
06-01-2004, 05:36 AM
I sure hope they find her alive.

Regarding the CTR ring. I am a Morman. This is just a little ring that is usually given to children when they are approx. 6 years of age in a Primary class (similar to Sunday School). They have lessons and are taught on choosing the right when situations arise such as being honest, staying off drugs, etc., etc. They are popular and many adults like to wear them too so they are made in many sizes. Not something everyone is supposed to wear. Just a piece of jewelry that helps kids and whoever wants to, to remember to choose the right in any given situation.

spydog
06-01-2004, 05:38 AM
Why do I have a red dot by my name?

spydog
06-01-2004, 05:41 AM
Person of interest was re-arrested. Apparently he was bailed out of jail by his parents, but they re-arrested him. Must really want to hang onto him! Probably found some other charges to put him back in jail. Maybe it would have been a good idea to let him go, and keep a trail on him.


http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=97536&nid=5

dannyodie
06-01-2004, 06:08 AM
Why do I have a red dot by my name? hey , a red dot by your name is when you are online

PolkSaladAnnie
06-01-2004, 03:10 PM
A vigil has been held for Brooke...

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1909093

spydog
06-01-2004, 04:59 PM
hey , a red dot by your name is when you are online

Thanks! It's been quite awhile since I've posted on this forum!

I thought I was special or got some prize or something! :blushing:

ShowerSinger
06-01-2004, 11:06 PM
I read elsewhere, that the place they were cleaning, was in the back of the complex. AND, a Hilton hotel was overlooking that area. Still, think someone close might know more. I still don't get why the WAITED to notify police. Hmmm. Any new news?

scandi
06-02-2004, 12:11 AM
Hi ShowerSinger,

Havn't watched the local news yet - even if I was listening to it I wasn't , as I've been reading on the Laci forum.

He was re-arrested? I have heard nothing about that on the local news in Portland. All I have heard is that even though he was released they are still following him and looking at him intently!

If I hear more on the 11 O'clock news tonight, I'll let you know whaz up,OK


Scandi

scandi
06-02-2004, 10:27 AM
Before I head off to work, thought I'd let you know the newest thing.

Since last night on Fox cable news, they have been running an ad - bright red 'ABDUCTION' on a black background with a great pic of her in the center, and then white writing on either side giving all the facts. It is stunning, beautifully done, and gosh, it runs really often - maybe once every half hour.

I've never lived where we have a major missing case like this, so it might be common. Fox must be footing some of the bill, plus the LSD church, as it would normally cost a fortune to do this!

Well we did have the Miranda Gaddis and ??? case with Weaver caught, digging up their bodies in his back yard, but they never did this for them. I still cringe at the thought of that monster using those girls for hi sick pleasure. He is now in a mental hospital, and the trial has been delayed.


xoxoxo Scandi

Jade
06-02-2004, 12:40 PM
....... My second one, which is darker and I'm sure not true, is that her brother-in-law took her. Sick I know.

I thought of him also.

IdahoMom
06-02-2004, 01:20 PM
I thought of him also.
Me too. Has the brother in law appeared on TV at all?

englishleigh
06-02-2004, 04:39 PM
Hi, I'm new here. I have been following Brooke's case intently. She reminds me a lot of my baby sister who is the same age. I think the idea of the BIL being a suspect is an interesting one. I'm sure they have interviewed him closely and also examined relationships within the family. I really hope he has been ruled out. That would be absolutely horrible. Not that it isn't already.


--Leigh

MysteryMomma
06-02-2004, 04:49 PM
I thought of him also.

I felt "bad" thinking that. My mind went there for the following reasons:

1. Most people are killed by someone they know ( I'm hoping she is alive)
2. The cleaning bucket was left behind as if she was called away for a second by someone she was close to
3. She is so pretty, is her sister as pretty as she is......isn't she staying with them? I think a lot of men can be tempted by a young pretty girl....

annemc2
06-02-2004, 08:06 PM
hi guys - still not much to report from Corvallis. Sung Koo Kim was released (again) from jail after his parents posted $100,000 bond. People in the area are being urged to search private property and abandoned buildings on their property.

like Scandi said, the cable news alerts are pretty amazing. they've been on several cable channels for the past few days.as far as that being common, I've never seen such a thing. i'm such a crime-nerd that i always try to keep up with missing persons cases and in Houston we had a TON of them. Adults, young adults, children, with a small blurb on the news (if that) and then nothing. So, yeah, it seems this case is getting pretty intense coverage.

now they just mentioned something about a security camera in the area of Brooke's disappearance on the news preview (kgw) and then did not follow up.....grrrrrr.

Newsperson
06-02-2004, 10:22 PM
This is my first post to this site. I discovered it while doing some research on this case.

As my name would imply my posting name is also my profession. I live in the Albany/Corvallis area and have been covering this story from the beginning, and have personally met most of the principle players- the family, the police, the searchers, and the neighbors. It is a very emotional story to cover for a number of reasons which I will expand upon later.

First, I would like to respond to a few things I've read on this thread.

One thing I've discovered is that speculation is rampant, and in some cases things have been reported by the media that are not true, or at least misleading. Rumors abound. For instance, it was reported that a saw mill was searched because a psychic had called the tipline telling police to search a nearby sawmill. True, an abandoned sawmill was searched. However, that sawmill happened to be in an area that was in the particular grid search for that day and it had nothing to do with the psychic. Anyone who knows this area knows that there are LOTS of abandoned sawmills nearby that closed after the spotted owl became an endangered species. This is just one example. The psychic aspect was also played up because during one of the press conferences Lt. Noble said that "We are looking seriously at every tip." Later he was asked if they had recieved tips from psychics and people who had dreams about Brooke and he confirmed that they had. So some reporters said that the CPD was following up on dream tips. It goes on and on.

MysteryMomma is not the first person to question whether the brother in law may have done this. Brooke was, by far, the prettiest member of the family. However, both brother-in-laws have been completely ruled out and were by mid day the day after the disappearance. Some of the rumors regarding this theory were verrrry vicious. Particularly around the neighborhood of the apartment.

As to the security cams. There are none at the apartment complex. Period. Outdoor security cam tapes have been collected from other businesses from around the area. For instance there is a convenience store nearby etc. That was actually done early on in the investigation too, but early on CPD were playing their cards pretty close.

As to Mr. Kim it's interesting to note how he was linked to OSU. He was originally busted with panties and bras that he had stolen from coeds at George Fox college. Turns out he had quite a collection at home and liked to organize them, keep track of where he stole them and when-even writing down the name of the person they were stolen from a couple of times. A pair of the panties had an OSU address. The person he stole them hadn't even reported them gone (which makes sense, how many of us have lost a sock?).
The question I can't get answered about Kim is why OSU, and whether he had stalked this individual prior to stealing her underwear.

Personally, and I'm only speculating, I think that the search should spread out more along highway 20-34 and areas that are easily accessed from the highway but also obscured from view during daylight hours. The gravel pit that was excavated was an area that concerned me on Tuesday. It has instant access to Hwy 34 but no one goes down there. Last summer a person happened to walk down in that area and found an outdoor meth lab, that according to police, appeared to have been in operation for quite some time sitting only about 200 yards off the highway. The Corvallis/Philomath area(particularly Philomath) are surrounded by places that a quick dump could be made unnoticed just off the highway. My theory is that is how they will find her. Some of the areas that have been searched, in my opinion, are sometimes too remote. This crime, to me, seems to be one of convenience.

As to why no witnesses, part of it is that you have students in class and people at work. OSU is a big campus and the apartments around OSU are filled with students.

I was at the vigil. (damn this is more of a blog, I'm sorry) What struck me was how many people were crying. I don't think I've ever seen 500+ people teary at the same time. I was okay till the kids started singing. I was proud I made it thru "How great thou Art" but the children singing was just too much. I was up near the front close to the family and had to get away before I lost it.

I went back behind the crowd and moved away from the courthouse and near sidewalk. As I was gaining my composure I noticed a woman moving around the back of the crowd near where I was with a handicam. Then I noticed a couple of others. The police were filming the gathering. A couple of times a uniformed officer would approach one of camera people say something and look off in a general direction and the camera person would take off to where the uniformed officer was looking. It was confirmed later when all of the camera people got into an unmarked white van with a uniformed officer driving and took off.

What makes this really difficult is to talk to family members daily and see how they continue hoping that Brooke is alive. It's more than hope. They BELIEVE she is alive. It's the juxtaposition of their optimism vs the grim fact that there a nearly no tangible leads or suspects.

One final personal observation. This is a nice loving family. They aren't rich, they aren't put on. They have been devastated. One night during a press conference Cammie, the mom, was asked what it was like to go home. "It's...quiet...and...sad. The dogs are even sad....they're just....so...sad." It made me so angry that these people could be treated so horribly by some sick s.o.b. I hope they find the person that did this to Brooke and her family. They deserve closure and justice.

Today 2 more persons of interest were dropped from the list. Two more were added. Kim remains a "person of interest."

Best wishes.

IdahoMom
06-02-2004, 10:43 PM
Newsperson-

Thanks so much for your insight. That was such a well-written, thoughtful post.

I am glad you're here. Welcome.

RCOOKE
06-02-2004, 11:18 PM
That was very informative NEWSPERSON. A lot of those details are not making it in the media. I can relate to what her mother said. After such busy days where you are surrounded by tons of people, the nights are very quiet and the nightmare becomes even more real.

Juliana
06-02-2004, 11:26 PM
Newsperson- Thanks for the insightful post. Our hearts are hoping Brooke will be found safe and soon. Our prayers are with her and her family.


IMO

scandi
06-02-2004, 11:46 PM
Dear Newsperson,

I also thank you for coming to our site to talk to us about Brooke, giving us your observations.

One thought I gained from reading you is that the police planned ahead of time to document with photos everyone who attended the vigil as part of their sleuthing plan, as often people like this who commit crimes where death is involved go back to the scene of the crime, to the funeral or to public gatherings where they honor the victim. I don't know why, but would guess they do this to relive a moment in time, much as serial killers often take a momento.

Let's hope this works. I wonder why the 2 new persons of interest are suspect. And did they attend the Vigil? I think they were maybe looking to see if anybody they might feel is of interest was at that vigil. Do you think they are keeping watch of the site from where she disappeared? You have the feeling he was stalking Brooke - knew her habits and times of arrival, lunch break, etc? The OSU student whose underwear Kim had, do you really think he would stalk her and then sneak into her room to get a pair of panties? Sounds pretty risky to me. I would rather think that he was branching out for new colleges to strike as the 'panty raider. I read he was charged before with entering dorms on three other universities. He wouldn't dare go back to these schools. He must have some connection to that Corvallis area to pick OSU as his next university for a dorm panty raid. I mean he had 1000 pieces of underwear the police laid out in that one picture they show on TV.

Well most interesting. I liked you idea of searching Hwys 20 - 34 for the reasons you stated. They must run east and west.

Keep us posted if you will, as we are all simply pulling for her safe return home.

Thanks,
Scandi

MysteryMomma
06-03-2004, 12:04 AM
Newsperson you should share your ideas about where to seach with someone involved with the searches......is the church still involved with that? Or contact some of your LE connections. Your instincts seem sound on this case.

Thanks for your observations and thoughts.

scandi
06-03-2004, 12:40 AM
That was very informative NEWSPERSON. A lot of those details are not making it in the media. I can relate to what her mother said. After such busy days where you are surrounded by tons of people, the nights are very quiet and the nightmare becomes even more real.


Hi Mr Cooke,

It is good to see you here. I have thought so much about Rachael and wish with all of my heart that she will be found to come home to you and your family. I've read lots of posts by you and believe me, if she could come home guided by a bright star, it would be you.



Scandi

PolkSaladAnnie
06-03-2004, 03:42 AM
Hi Newsperson,

Thank you so much for this post and for bringing your insight here. I was especially interested to read about the vigil being filmed; I'm now sure this might be a 'regular' practise at most vigils. Learnt something through your post!

One wonders if people don't want to believe society has some sickos running free ~ perhaps that's why a few folk go one step further than the usual 'eliminating a family-member first'. That must be terribly distressing and does little to help the pain. Conversely, it's a natural reaction, too. I know that Dru's b/f, Ed Smart (etc etc) were all given a tough time too.

I know this family is suffering, praying, hoping, searching and greeting each day with a numb response. Hundreds of folk are praying for Brooke as well as the many other missing souls. These events change lives, re-shape our family network and cut right through our belief system.

The paradox is that generally these monsters walk about undetected and quite freely for years on end ~ out in the open and yet, in the blink of eyelid a precious & innocent soul is usurped from a loving family.

Scandi, you're a skilled warrior of justice and one of the most caring and thoughtful posters I've ever come across.

Prayers for Brooke...

Annie.

deputylinda
06-03-2004, 04:37 AM
been out of the loop, working last couple days...is there no news about this young lady? God give her family strength.

englishleigh
06-03-2004, 11:55 AM
Thanks, also, Newsperson. Please, if you can, continue to keep us informed on the search for Brooke. I am so glad the BIL's have been ruled out.

Mr. Cooke, your family is in my prayers for the return of your precious Rachel.

--Leigh

CaliKid
06-03-2004, 04:57 PM
This is my first post to this site. I discovered it while doing some research on this case.

As my name would imply my posting name is also my profession. I live in the Albany/Corvallis area and have been covering this story from the beginning, and have personally met most of the principle players- the family, the police, the searchers, and the neighbors. It is a very emotional story to cover for a number of reasons which I will expand upon later.

I haven't posted in forever, but I've been following this and other missing persons sites on a regular basis. Is it me, or does there seem to be a lot of missing children/teens coming out of the Oregon area?

Miranda Gaddis, Ashley Pond, etc. And now this beautiful young lady. Just wondering...

Anngelique
06-03-2004, 10:31 PM
Hi everyone,

I did not know WS had a board for Brooke.

I have been deeply disturbed by Brooke's disappearance for several reasons. First, I live 30 mins from where she was abducted. Second, I am LDS also and she is an outstanding LDS youth. One who truly lived her faith. Third, because I am always touched by missing cases. Fourth, I feel horrible for her fiance who is on a mission in Venezeula. I can only imagine the horror he is going through.

Someone asked about the CTR ring. I know it has been answered but it is very similar to the WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) that mainstream Christians wear on items. The CTR (Choose the Right) is given at a young age, but it is a cheap ring given at that time. Many of us active LDS people buy the more expensive rings of 14k gold or sterling silver to wear as a constant reminder. I bought all 4 of my kids the expensive ones for Christmas one year. They all loved them.

I am totally amazed at how much faith Brook's family is showing. They are a total inspiration to me.

I pray each and every day, several times a day to help bring some kind of news of her whereabouts. I think of her often, just like I did Laci, Miranda, Ashley, Elizabeth, and so many more.

I so want to have this turn out happy like with Elizabeth, but I don't have a good feeling about this.

:o(

scandi
06-04-2004, 02:52 AM
Hey, Hi Calikid! I'm glad you decided to post here, as there are some really special people that you will meet - probably already knowing them by heart by now, reading since January! ;)

An interesting post you have written, to boot! Oregon. Land of the Empire Builders, home of the brave and free! Yes, it seems that we should be way beyond this, being able after all this time as a state to inspire people to be fair and lawful. The real estate code of ethics in Oregon is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The Golden Rule. And yet we have our fair share of henious crimes, as every other state must have.


What is it? I don't think it is our particular environment and collection of people that is responsible for these crimes. Are you a Cali Kid transplanted in Oregon? It might be that you hear more about local crimes if you live here. I think every state has more than its share of murder, and everything pretty well equals out.

But there is another factor too. For some reason the public picks up on certain crimes and follows them faithfully, feeling some unknown affiliation with the crime, taking justice for the victim/s to heart. It is probably because in some way, there go but I, or my niece who resembles her so much, or this ape of a man who looks just like my next door neighbor - whatever the reason. The All-American gal, like Laci, who we would all love to know.

And Cali, we might have an exceptional press force in our state with outstanding connections to the media. Everyone hears routinely across the nation what happens in our state. A pretty evenly balanced state - not too much to the left or the right, but rather a gentle mix of both, depending what time frame you are talking about.

Because of this, we are heard loudly. And our problems are known to many. And some of our crimes have been illustrious and horrible. Burying 2 bodies in your backyard who were the friends of his daughter, raping them in her presence, and now fallen victim himself to mental disease, although I could believe in a quick second that faking insanity is a far better out, living in a state hospital than on death row in a 6 x 8 cell 23 hours a day, forever until you walk down that last stretch to the table. But there is Manson in Califas, and as many more like this in every state. We just don't hear about these crimes as much. We are concentrating on our own little corner of the world, just like they are in theirs.



Scandi

CaliKid
06-04-2004, 03:05 AM
No I'm in Southern California, although I have family in the Portland area.

My biggest interest, apart from the sorrow of all these missing kids, is that my ex bought a house in Klamath Falls and plans to move there, and my children will be visiting him on holidays and during the summer. He's not a very good dad and doesn't really pay attention.

Naturally, I don't want one of my kids popping up missing, and like I said there seems to be a lot of missing children and teens in Oregon. Maybe it's all the open area to hide bodies in.

scandi
06-04-2004, 03:12 AM
Hi Anngelique,

Good to hear from you, a fellow Oregonian!

I've somehow got this feeling in my gut that this crime happened because someone lusting after women looking like Brooke, chose a college town environment to find his victims. There would be many to choose from, and most gals are flattered by seeing someone glance over and give a smile, having no suspicions at all they were being surveyed as potential candidates for a night they would never forget out behind the trees on a lonely stretch of road. They are young, gullible, serious students but love their off-study time being just girls.

I think that is one reason they have singled in on Kim. He fits all of these thoughts. And he has hung out at and walked beside many a gal at other universities north of Corvallis in the greater Portland area.

I think the police do know much more than they are letting on. Right off the bat, 5 days into the crime, there was a bit of sanity and release of tension. They learned some things and they fit together like a puzzle.

So Anngelique stay away from campus areas, and if you have daughters that are the right age, keep them away too. This outrageous thief in the daylight is still there, walking among you. It would scare the living daylight out of me if I was there. Or in Eugene. Same as Corvallis. Just watch your back all the time until this perv is caught. Promise?

To me theft by daylight gives a bold and stalking feeling. Serious business.

Scandi

dannyodie
06-04-2004, 06:30 AM
just wondering if any of you all remember hearing of a prostitution ring in colorado that hosted mostly young girls, some as young as 13. I believe that there is an outfit somewhere in mid west that is the reason that alot of americas children turn up missing. I believe that there are people out shopping for the next victim to sell or trade on this so called sex market. to many perverts out there that makes xxx videos of young girls and boys. if only the law enforcement could locate more of these outfits then maybe our children and loved ones would be a bit safer in there own back yards. the prostitution ring in colorado is probably just one of many in this country, I am glad the police busted this one, maybe if they looked deep enough into these people they might find out a whole lot. maybe even find some of the girls that have been missing in the usa for sometime now. since the age of the internet this problem will only become worse as time goes on, all porn sites should be banned from the internet, and those that harbor such websites should be jailed. of course there is that freedom of speech and all that other hipe, but the fcc regulates much of the internet since it is a communication system connected to telecommunications line. the above is just my own opionion and thoughts. :croc:

Newsperson
06-04-2004, 01:32 PM
Greetings again.

Thanks for all of the kind welcomes. It is very appreciated.

Scandi, you are asking a lot of the same questions that I've been asking. Specifics of the investigation into the "persons of interest" have been purposely vague, which is understandable as the investigators don't want to show all their cards.

Regarding Kim....

The stalking question came up, and when Kim was questioned he had said "no" but since his is the only word on the subject, who is to know for sure? That angle is being investigated. The problem is the inclusion of names with some pairs of the undergarments. Rhetorically, is that a sign of stalking before the theft, of potential stalking after the theft, or is he o.c.d?
There are some off record things some of us were told regarding the character of Kim and I can only say he is someone who bears watching.

Also regarding sex offenders who are required to register their address-19 in Benton County (Corvallis is the county seat) are unaccounted for. They cannot be located.

Sex offender break outs (I can't find the exact notes I had on this but I roughly remember the #'s) 160+ in Benton County and 550+ in Linn County.
The Linn County line is just across the Willamette River from Corvallis. Albany, which is only about 10-12 miles from Corvallis, is the Linn County seat.

The latest on the efforts to find Brooke:

Yesterday Brooke's mother, Cammie, made a plea to the kidnapper to bring Brooke back. She is still holding out hope that her daughter is still alive. She also thanked those who have been searching. Many of the searchers have had to take personal time from their jobs and school to search for Brooke. Cammie strikes me as a very classy woman, who under the circumstances, has held up much better than I believe most of us could while facing the press. I'm sure at home she's having a hard time, but publicly she handles herself with a simple grace.

On the searches: A big change starting today (Friday).
The large grid type shoulder to shoulder searches thru blackberry berms, poison oak, thistles, grass, and plenty of pollen (to name some of the things that have made this search so ugly for the volunteers) have now ended. A little over 3000 acres have been searched. Part of the reason the main reason the searches have come to an end is that many of the volunteers have jobs they must attend to and it's finals week for students. Those volunteering will now start a new effort canvassing with a new flier with some different photos of Brooke. They will also resume the use of "hasty teams."

Hasty teams have been used since about day 4 of the search. They are teams of three travelling by car, boat, bicycle, horse, atv, and foot. They travel fast compared to their gridsearch counterparts. They are armed with gps units and digital cameras. They quickly scan areas looking for anything that could be suspicious like bits of clothing, transient camps, porn (yes, they have found a bunch of it), anything that could be considered out of the ordinary. The hasty team will jot down coordinates, take pictures and head out for more searching. They then return to the information to investigators who follow up on these locations. A couple of things of note the hasty teams have found include an outdoor meth lab and some pot farms.

The new hasty teams will be made up of professional searchers including trackers who will be on call 24/7 to follow up on tips, and will evidently be doing some searching independent of tips as well.

Talk about fortuitous! I just talked to the PIO for CPD. The nuts and bolts latest (as of a few minutes ago) are the following:

Still five persons of interest. Kim is one of them. Contrary to what I wrote earlier besides Kim, there is another who is not a convicted sex offender and as to the reason he is being questioned is not being stated.

It was confirmed to me that there is some specific information that is being held back to be used as part of future interrogations should a suspect be caught. (A couple of things I've been quizzing them about for about a week.)

The bookings from the nearby hotel have been checked and are being rechecked. No confirmation as to whether anyone at the hotel at the time, has a criminal history or anything else to indicate something amiss.

The FBI agents assigned to this case-one in Oregon and one in Quantico- have yet to come up with a profile because of the lack of hard evidence. One of the t.v. stations supposedly had an FBI profile, but it wasn't an official one done by anyone with information to ALL the details.

CPD will continue with their press conferences until "people stop coming."

And for what it's worth-CPD has 8 or 9 theories they are working on.

MysteryMomma---I've expressed my concerns about the search pattern. I'm still waiting to hear about one place in particular that bugs me everytime I drive by it.

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but the Wilberger family, in particular Greg (the dad), is in daily contact with the Smart family. From what Greg says they have offered moral support and advice, and have been a great comfort to the Wilbergers.

Calikid asks why all the missing/murdered kids and teens in Oregon. Sometime pick up the book "The Day America Told The Truth". It's about 10 years old now. It's a book dealing with demographics broken down by region on a variety of subjects that generally aren't the arena of pollsters or researchers. My recollection is that the Pacific Northwest led the nation in the per capita percentage of sociopaths. Go figure.


Best wishes to all, and thanks again for the warm welcome.

Newsperson
06-04-2004, 01:33 PM
By the way, sorry for the length of my posts.

annemc2
06-04-2004, 01:38 PM
thanks, newsperson, for the excellent and very informative post. i learned more from reading your one post than i have scouring the media day in & day out. everything you said about Soo was reported in today's paper -and, boy is it some creepy stuff. great to see you here and thanks for sharing your info/insight into this terrible crime.

btw, i don't think anyone followed up on my "panties in the park" lead but these underwear were not labeled (i gave them a hard stare!). like i said, probably some overzealous teenagers celebrating a holiday weekend. :doh:

Newsperson
06-04-2004, 01:52 PM
annemc2,

My understanding is that a lot of reports, like yours have been made by the public and the searchers. It could be they did go look. You bring up an interesting aspect for me, and that is how the tip line is prioritizing certain calls or e-mail.

If I were you I would call them and ask, particularly if it's bother you.

englishleigh
06-04-2004, 02:37 PM
Newsperson, I am not up on Oregon law, but can they ask any of these "persons of interest", particularly Kim, to take a polygraph? I mean, I know they can ask...but I wonder if it's something being considered.

Newsperson
06-04-2004, 02:54 PM
In some cases it's already been done. Honestly, I never really looked at the polygraph question quite from your angle. Convicted sex offenders do have certain requirements that legally they must abide by that other ex-cons do not in our state. For instance registering where they live with the county and local authorities. I'm not sure though whether they can be required to take a polygraph (doubtful actually) because that information isn't admissible in court. They can be asked to take a polygraph. Whether a sex offender can be REQUIRED is another question, but I will check.

So I know it has been used and that some of the original persons of interest moved off the list IN PART because of the polygraph.

I have a suspicion, (MY OPINION ONLY AND PURE SPECULATION) that members of the family may have been polygraphed. It has to do with body language exhibited during one of the late evening press conferences when the topic came up. I have to reiterate I am only speculating and the speculation is not based on anything anyone said.

You people ask good questions. I will follow up on some of them.

Newsperson
06-04-2004, 03:07 PM
Just found out the Salt Lake City FBI are interviewing BYU students and asking if Brooke was having any problems that might have made her run away and disappear or for someone to harm her. No details on how many people were interviewed, nor when the interviews took place. Seems I remember something about SLPD assisting in a general way from last week. They say none of the interviews proffered anything useful.

englishleigh
06-04-2004, 03:52 PM
Thanks, Newsperson. Let us know what you find out about the polygraphs!!

Dugie
06-04-2004, 04:22 PM
Just thinking here...

Jon Krakauer wrote a book called "Under the Banner of Heaven" which is about Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. He makes sure to emphasize that these fundamentalists are most definitely separate from the true LDS church, so I mean no offense to any real Mormons, but I wanted to throw it out there. These fundamentalists are zealous about things like plural marriage and subservience of women. Krakauer also goes on to describe the two major sects of the fundamentalists, one of which is based in British Colombia, but has a lot of followers peppered around the Pacific NW region.

This case seems kind of like Elizabeth Smart to me, in that the girl is accomplished, family-oriented, and beautiful. The guy who abducted/"married" Elizabeth Smart was not in one of those organized sects, but it did not prevent him from doing what he did. It's not inconceivable that the same type of thing could have happened to Brooke. What do you guys think?

scandi
06-05-2004, 01:59 AM
Well Dugie, aren't you a breath of fresh air coming in out of cyber space! ;) A hearty welcome to you!

I lived and breathed the Elizabeth Smart case. I was my first venture into forum-world, so to speak. In general we all felt that LE was not effective in going about solving the crime as they kept the public out of their doings and didn't make the public a part of the project solving her disappearance. Then Sgt Corona hit America hard with team sprited investigations, which did so much for LE all over America. Still SLCPD was slow going and never did get a handle on the crime. It was solved by a call to the tip line, not through investigation.

So as it equates to this case, Le has been very sincere in including the public in ways that they can to help find her. In Elizabeth's case, I venture forth in saying the Morman church took a strong play in the crime and/or coverup of it, that is only in forum world. We learned so many things about the church that were horrid - taking their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed - that just can't be true. How they controled the police dept decisions and also that of any other civic entity in the city, which I probably think is mostly true.

But we were so far off in Elizabeths case, that I often hope that maybe we have learned a lesson here. The Morman church had nothing to do with her captivity. The parents were not in collusion with the church to have Elizabeth spirited off to have a baby! It was a simple case of a chance meeting between her and an utter nut from Butternut, who then pursued her, kidnapped her for his own, covered her with his scent so the dogs that were nearby wouldn't discover her and molded her mind to make her think the way he wanted her to.

This case parallels her case so much, and I would hate to see us fall into the same pitfalls.

What do you bet it is someone with a perverted mind that stalked her, learned her modus operandi and then snatched her when the time was ripe. For all we know she is somewhere up in the hills being held captive, covered with his scent so she will not be discovered.

But whoever took her will make some mistake and someone will call the tip line. She will be found, and I just hope for her dear ones that she comes home alive.


Scandi

scandi
06-05-2004, 02:11 AM
Hi Newsperson,

Do you think the father got really upset when he was asked to take a polygraph? I have heard on the news that tomorrow is the last day of regular searches. He says at that point , if she is not found, they will have to accept her as being gone and get on with their lives, even though they adore her and love her so much.

Does anyone else think his attitude and actions are not what we expected. It is less than two weeks that she has been gone. Time, flowing like a river, Time, we couldn't see! Even through all of their agony and the turmoil in their lives now, I do find their aproach highly unusual. I also wonder what the police make of this new change in the case? It was a hand motion someone in the family made at the evening press conference? Have they started looking in areas along Hwy 20 to the coast, so similiar to the place where Danielle was found?

Will look forward to more updates from you!


Scandi

spydog
06-05-2004, 03:11 AM
Quote from Scandi

So as it equates to this case, Le has been very sincere in including the public in ways that they can to help find her. In Elizabeth's case, I venture forth in saying the Morman church took a strong play in the crime and/or coverup of it, that is only in forum world. We learned so many things about the church that were horrid - taking their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed - that just can't be true. How they controled the police dept decisions and also that of any other civic entity in the city, which I probably think is mostly true.

Where in the world do people get their ideas from!! The Mormon church does not take their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed! Were you being Sarcastic Scandi?

Newsperson..it sounds like you are right there in Oregon. I've often wondered if the police have had scent dogs out there. Do you know? Seems like they should have been able to pick up Brooke's scent from where she was abducted. Also, I've wondered about anyone's survellaince tapes. Has LE asked businesses (including the college, apartments, etc.) to look at their tapes. Many times they wait too long to requests tapes, and they have been taped over.

CaliKid
06-05-2004, 03:53 AM
Quote from Scandi
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Where in the world do people get their ideas from!! The Mormon church does not take their young girls into captivity to be sacrificed! Were you being Sarcastic Scandi?

Scandi was talking about fundamental cultist LDS, spydog, not mainstream. I remember this same discussion coming up when Elizabeth Smart disappeared. Polygamy used to be part of the traditional Mormon religion, and there are still offshoots who believe it is okay to take more than one wife. Look at Brian Mitchell, Elizabeth's kidnapper. She was to be one of seven wives he imagined God was telling him to "procur". So there is a possibility that the same thing might have happened to Brooke.

Juliana
06-05-2004, 08:14 AM
Scandi: "It was a hand motion someone in the family made at the evening press conference?"

Is there a video of this press conference on line somewhere? My curiosity is getting the best of me. Also, is there is a video of the dad saying they are just going to have to accept that she is gone and get on with their lives (paraphrased).

Thanks.


IMO

PolkSaladAnnie
06-05-2004, 12:10 PM
newsperson: please dont apologize for the length of your posts! (I'm the one who should do that, lol) :crazy:

They're so informative and bring so much to the discussion. Many of my own thoughts and questions are answered here by the likes of yourself and scandi ~ for example: I was particularly interested to learn from your earlier post that the FBI has been interviewing BYU students. Any news on that score?

Your *suspicion only* regarding the polygraphs on family members is fully accepted and understood, too. After all ~ where do you draw the line between being safe and being sorry? Sadly, the stigma of having had to take a poly leaves less to be desired; but just as has been highlighted in the Scott Peterson case, the mere fact that close family members and relatives take these polygraphs covers 2 areas: 1 that LE are indeed doing their job; and 2 that no person is 'eliminated' until all ground has been covered.

That also underscores the 'length and breadth' of the dire consquences these abductions have.

As for Kim... being in possession of over 1000 pairs of female undergarments beggars belief! cpd? I'd say more than that and it's so true this is highly indicative of stalking, or else HOW on earth would he know when. where, how to gain access to such items. Win lose or draw as regards being connected to this case, I'd say Kim is definitely a sour character of ill-intent (or in the makings thereof).

Finally, (Juliana might be interested in this response, too) did you pick up any feedback apropos the vigil being video-taped? Could those tapes perhaps have referenced 'other' types of body-language? Any other video tapes avaialble??

Oh dear! There's got to be something; there just has to be! Brooke was barely back at that apartment ~ broad daylight; it doesn't make sense.

Prayers for Brooke continue. Faith in justice presides! God bless all.

Annie.

scandi
06-05-2004, 02:52 PM
Hi Juliana,

I watched the father on the news last night and heard with my own ears what he said - so I don't know if there is a video link to this. He had been crying a lot, you could tell by his face. But his countanance had changed, and I got the feeling from his words that if they don't find her today then they will go on with their lives and always treasure her in their hearts as they adored her so much.

Newsperson mentioned it was 'body language' at the news conference from the family, so I took that as a body movement of negativity, not a verbal one.


Something has had to have been learned by the father to make his attitude change so sharply. The police might have made him angry asking him to take a LD test, or maybe one of the persons in the family who resisted the request. I would never imagine him giving up in spirit like he has stated in so many words. The search will just take on a different tone now, with LE officers and not so much w/ the public.

Gosh, especially with Ed Smart talking to him on the phone every day, giving him encouragement.

Oh, and re: the sacrifice of a young Morman, it was widely talked about in reference to the dedication of some huge church center or building as I remember, and of course links were flying right and left. I never believed they actually killed a girl to glorify the dedication of some huge new church!


Scandi

Newswolf
06-05-2004, 04:46 PM
I don't know if this is the story Scandi saw or not, but there is a video link here, under her photo.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67955

englishleigh
06-05-2004, 08:18 PM
It's always so sad to me when they stop searching...I know they aren't giving up, really, but it sure feels like it. :(

God, please bring bring Brooke home to her family!!

Juliana
06-05-2004, 08:37 PM
Hi Scandi,
I have looked forward to your posts on this thread - you are very insightful.

I watched the video with the link Scandi posted. Let me preface my next statement with this: I know I am gullible - I always want to believe the best of people. But when I saw the video, I saw a very sadly resigned man, a father who very humbly felt that he had been asking alot of the public in the last couple of weeks to look for his daughter, and if they could just do one more search, he would ask no more. Maybe he doesn't realize how invested the local public is in finding his daughter - how his plight and his daughter's plight have touched the heart of Oregon and the area.

My heart just breaks knowing that this family will again try to rest tonight, not knowing where their daughter, sister, friend, is and what has happened to her.

scandi
06-05-2004, 08:52 PM
Hi Juliana,

He tried so hard not to cry, and it looked like he had been crying as his face was red and his eyes a bit swoolen. I heard a lady officer say today one of the reasons they stopped the search is they do not have one lead to go on.

When I have listened to the police spokesman before, he made it real clear this Kim guy was still being intently looked at. The guy has been arrested twice.

Maybe what the police are using here is a diversionary tactic, to relax the perv, to see if there are any more moves made. One thing we have learned here is that criminals often go back to the scene of the crime to relive it - or if she is held captive somewhere would have to bring food and water, right? They said the searches now would be LE ones, on a tip by tip basis. Makes sense to me! And it would explain why they stopped the searching after only 2 weeks. Maybe they know more than they are letting on - Gosh, I hope so!

This Kim is really the only thing we have to analyze. I wonder if he has a friend who has a bite mark on his arm! It could have been done with an accomplice. Oh, this is so hard. Hope Newsperson comes to give us a new update after the search closing.

spydog
06-06-2004, 02:04 AM
Since her flip flops were left behind, I would think that would be an excellent tool for the scent dogs!! We leave cells in our shoes, etc. And if her flops were left behind, she must have been barefoot, even more reason to use a dog.

Does anyone know if dogs have been used? If dogs tracked Laci down several roads and to Berkely, don't you think dogs could at least point the police in the right direction?

It's not too late, they need to use them now if they haven't already. And survellance tapes. It took LE in Modesto 3 weeks to find out that the salon where Laci and Scott had gone on the 24th had tapes!! This just appauls me!!

Media needs to ask ALL business or anyone else you has tapes to review them before they get erased! Even if it isn't close to the place Brooke was abducted. YOu never know, some tape may have a car driving down the street and you may see Brooke in the back or something! Gas stations!!
There certainly are more leads to go on!

dannyodie
06-06-2004, 06:59 AM
I have wondered to myself if it has been thought of that there are two people involved in this case, one driver and one person to grab her as the duo pulled up, I wonder if the police have used dogs also, the longer they wait the less scent that will be left. only grassy areas will retain the scent well into a year after the scent is left, but on pavement the scent is gone in as little as two weeks. I am feeling that this is not going to be a good outcome for this family, seems like she could have gotten away or something, but since a body has not been found then that leads us to believe she was taken out of the area.

Juliana
06-06-2004, 08:12 AM
I don't know, but I have a feeling that LE has done everything they can, including the use of dogs and looking for video tapes. They seemed to jump right on this and handle it seriously as an abduction for the get-go.

scandi
06-06-2004, 01:24 PM
Well last night on the late news, I saw Brooks Mom and she set my heart at ease.

She made a quick statement, something like, is't OK, the police have a plan! The'll still be searching, but they had to do this to put their plan into effect.

Now that is my wording - I then fell asleep and didn't even log off! LOL But anyway, what she was saying in my mind was that LE has a new plan that they need to put into effect, and she must know the plan and feels very good about it. She seemed at ease and was smiling.

One thought that creeps into my mind is that they are now going to try and draw somebody out. They must have formulated the plan for some reason, right. And they have added #6 person to the list.

It is certainly possible there is an accomplice. The other OSU co-ed who was being forced into a car by 2 men and bit one of them, it might be connected for all we know.

They are still running that commercial for her like every hour in the Portland area. A really beautifully put together commercial!

Keep you posted!


xoxo
Scandi

spydog
06-07-2004, 02:11 AM
Well last night on the late news, I saw Brooks Mom and she set my heart at ease.

She made a quick statement, something like, is't OK, the police have a plan! The'll still be searching, but they had to do this to put their plan into effect.

Now that is my wording - I then fell asleep and didn't even log off! LOL But anyway, what she was saying in my mind was that LE has a new plan that they need to put into effect, and she must know the plan and feels very good about it. She seemed at ease and was smiling.

One thought that creeps into my mind is that they are now going to try and draw somebody out. They must have formulated the plan for some reason, right. And they have added #6 person to the list.

It is certainly possible there is an accomplice. The other OSU co-ed who was being forced into a car by 2 men and bit one of them, it might be connected for all we know.

They are still running that commercial for her like every hour in the Portland area. A really beautifully put together commercial!

Keep you posted!


xoxo
Scandi
That's interesting Scandi.

Maybe they are thinking someone has Brooke hidden somewhere and want to follow one of their suspects somewhere. Maybe they are just trying to look like they are stopping the search, so if someone has her hidden they will think it's a good time to move her.

Newsperson
06-07-2004, 11:06 AM
Hi again.

I'm going to rip through some of your questions and try to keep things a little briefer than usual.

Polygraphs-With one exception they cannot be required for anyone in Oregon. The exception being that they can be required as part of a release agreement.

Fundamental LDS connection- Yes, this is one of several theories that investigators are exploring. Nothing to prove or disprove the connection is what I was told. Actually very little evidence to prove anything in this case, other than the fact Brooke is gone.

Dogs-Search dogs have been used quite a bit. They have searched cars, the apartments and property and have been used in field searches as well. I believe that they used dogs on the very first day of the search.

FBI-Nothing new, the investigation in Utah hasn't turned anything up, at least that's what they are saying.

Taken out of area-She didn't need to be taken out of the area to not be found. Anywhere within 10 miles in any direction of her abduction point has literally thousands of areas where a body could be secreted and never found.
That's one of the things that made the search so daunting, and why a public plea went out for property owners to search their property.

I think the family is coming to grips with the possibility that they will never see alive Brooke again. Saturday I was talking to one of the family members after the morning press conference and just wanted to say how much I hoped that Brooke will be found. For the first time since this started the response wasn't about how they thought she alive, but how they wanted closure. Big change there.

While mother Cammie remains strong and upbeat, I have to say that to me she looks like she's aged 10 years in the last two weeks. Not surprising really, just a random observation.

Yesterday they had another prayer vigil in Corvallis. It was nice to see 200-300 people show up considering how lousy the weather was. It was a very nice service. It was just as much for the volunteers, searchers, and officers investigating the case as it was the family. It was very nice I thought and really exemplified how the community has pulled together in so many ways to bring Brooke home.

Yes, I live in the Albany/Corvallis area.


Best wishes.

Newsperson
06-07-2004, 04:16 PM
By the way Annemc2, was just checking my notes and I forgot to include a kind of answer to your question regarding the tip you called in.

Each and every time that a tip comes in, it's prioritized by either the lead investigator or the shift commander depending upon who happens to be in the office. From that point it goes to an investigator who follows up.

First priority has been to those tips that include names/persons of interest or supposed spottings. From that point on it's up to the discretion of the officer in charge how something is prioritized. I was told that EVERY tip that has or will be recieved will be followed up on, even if those tips are on the ridiculous side. They generally haven't called people back on their tips unless they need further information.

They have had plenty of item sightings including last week a sweatshirt that caused quite a stir that looked something like Brooke's but it turned out it wasn't.

The CPD reiterates, any tip can help. Call them. I haven't called with any tips, but I have bugged the search coordinator to get someone to search a couple of pieces of property that have been bugging me. They did search one of them, another still requires permission as they haven't been able to contact the owner.

Sorry I forgot to include your query in my earlier post.

Best wishes.

Anngelique
06-07-2004, 09:04 PM
Our ward (or congregation) had a Ward trip to the Portland Temple on Thursday. I was going to attend but I was very sick. I wish I had been able to make it. As one of my friends in church went and she said Brookes Mom and I think Dad were there. They spoke to the members in the chapel and thanked them for their prayers and for all those who have been fasting for her return. I was told she was trying hard to be in good spirit, but you could see how hard it has been for them. Their family has been amazing in the same manner that the Smart family was. They have drawn close together and have gathered strength from each other.

scandi
06-07-2004, 11:22 PM
Hi Anngelique,

They are all remarkable parents. So full of heart and they just have to trust at this time oftheir lives. It is so hard to imagine having your child just poof! gone and not know where she is and if she is safe.

I watched the Temple being built, and what a sight it was to watch as it grew. It is inspiring to see, all white stone with all of it's spires reaching up.

Thanks Newsperson for all of the information. Did they ever go search Hwy 20? Do you have any idea what their plan could be that Brookes mom talked about? Well keep us posted as we do appreciate it! ;)


Scandi

Anngelique
06-07-2004, 11:48 PM
Hi Scandi,

Did you get to take the tour when it was open to the public? I think the outside does not do the inside justice. Part of the reason is the feeling you get when you are in there. Total peace and calmness. I know if my child was missing that is where you would find me when I was not working on the searches.


Yes, thanks Newsperson for the updates. Never apologize for your posts length as you are writing what we all want to hear. (Well we would rather hear she is found safe and alive, but we want to hear all news)

I feel so at a loss about Brooke. I felt the same way with Elizabeth Smart and so many others I have followed. I don't know why I feel a certain connection with certain cases, but I do. It tears me up inside when I hear another beautiful daughter of God is missing or murdered.

For those of you who don't fully understand the demeanor Brooke's family is showing, I can honestly say it is because of their faith. Being LDS we have faith and knowledge of our after life. We like most Christians feel this is just a stopping place, but the after life is for eternity. If Brooke is found dead she will be missed terribly by those who love her, but we know she is in good hands in heaven. I don't want to sound callous at all, but it is actually a comforting thought. (My mom died when I was 12 and this has helped me so much at such a young age)

I still pray for Brooke to be found alive. It could happen (look at Elizabeth Smart) but it is unlikely this far into time. I will continue to pray for her until we find out otherwise.

annemc2
06-08-2004, 12:56 AM
thanks for getting back to me about the tip thing - interesting to see how some things inside the investigation work. thanks, also, for keeping us all updated with your excellent information - much appreciated!

scandi
06-10-2004, 12:14 AM
Gosh, no one has posted here for 2 days! Have you heard anything more Anne? I'm still seeing these ads to help find her all the time in Portland.

Just hoping there was something new!



Scandi

Newsperson
06-10-2004, 02:56 PM
Right now there really isn't anything to report. If anything is happening, it's behind the scenes.

About the only things that have been going on, is that a new suggestion list to the public has gone out, outlining what the public can do to help find Brooke. Nothing new has been suggested. I think it's mostly to try and get people thinking about it again.

There is also going to be some "debriefings" which are more like a chance for people to deal with some of the depression they are experiencing because of the inability to locate Brooke. It's mostly for police and searchers.

That's it really. Sorry I couldn't have anything to share that is a little more positive on the investigative front.

K777angel
06-10-2004, 04:00 PM
I too live in Oregon and have been watching the Brooke case closely.
It breaks my heart.
This apartment complex Brooke was abducted from is right across the street from some of the dorms at Oregon State University. A friends' freshman daughter lives in one. She is scared to death for her safety! As all parents are. Even parents of boys. (Like me - whose son will attend OSU next fall.)

I pray they find out soon what happened to Brooke. My family considered going down to search for her a couple of weeks ago. But we heard they were turning searchers away.
Our youngest son is a Search & Rescue Explorer for the county we are in (outside of Corvallis) and we've been surprised they have not called upon them to help in the search. It was brought up a few times - but they must not have been asked because no search was organized. To date anyway.

Keep praying everyone. Put yourselves in those parents shoes.
Not to mention poor little Brookes'. God help this country and the perverts it is producing at an alarming rate......!!

dannyodie
06-10-2004, 04:59 PM
I was reading the post that k777angel made and would like to say that maybe they are turning searchers away, any one as far as I am concerned can go out and search, you don't have to get permission from the law enforcement to do so, the only thing of course is that to search private property you have to have permission from the owner of that property, most people won't mind, especially in a missing persons case. I feel that every one in that area that owns property should get up and spend a day looking over the remote areas of there property for any sign of this young lady. hey more power to you for wanting to go out and search, If I lived in colorado I would go out and do what I had to do to help this family out. I have been involved in the search for a missing nashville girl that went missing on april 29th of 2003, this child disappeared without any trace and still to this day we are no closer to finding out what happened to this child which would be 14 now. so go out and search I am sure the family would be greatful of any effort in finding there daughter. have any of you all there heard of a prostitution ring that got busted some months ago? seems I remember hearing of it all the way down here in nashville, I believe that some of the girls were as young as 13, if they got the people that were running it, I am sure there are others that have not been found yet, many of these groups move there girls to nevada to slave to the world of prostitution to the creeps that do that sort of thing. to many clowns not enough circuses.

Newsperson
06-11-2004, 09:34 AM
I'm still trying to find out more about this but....

A MAN DESCRIBED AS A POSSIBLE PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE BROOKE WILBERGER ABDUCTION IN CORVALLIS IS DEAD AFTER A SHOOTING RAMPAGE. SALT LAKE CITY POLICE SAY 39 YEAR OLD RICHARD WILSON SHOT AND SERIOUSLY INJURED TWO WOMEN AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BEFORE SHOOTING HIMSELF WHEN TRAPPED BY POLICE. WILSON WAS RECENTLY RELEASED FROM A WASHINGTON PRISON FOR RAPING A WOMAN AT GUNPOINT AND IS ALSO A PERSON OF INTEREST IN A SIMILAR CRIME IN OREGON.

(Sorry about this being in all caps, but I cut and pasted this is from an e-mail I recieved from a newsperson I know out of state.)

Anngelique
06-11-2004, 10:09 AM
Here is a bit more information about this last news....

Man of interest in kidnap kills self

The Associated Press
June 11, 2004

GRANTSVILLE, Utah — A robbery-shooting suspect who killed himself following a high-speed chase had been released from a Washington prison only months ago and was suspected in a number of crimes in the Pacific Northwest.

Richard Wilson, 39, had served a sentence for raping a woman at gunpoint in Washington a decade ago.

He was released in February and moved in with his parents in Walla Walla, Wash., but was suspected in other crimes in Washington.

“He also has thefts, unlawful vehicle possession, drug violations and other assaults,” Walla Walla police Sgt. Matt Wood told KSL-TV in Salt Lake City.

Wilson also was wanted in Oregon for an alleged “rape at gunpoint,” the station said.

In Idaho, Elmore County Sheriff Rick Layher says his investigators left for Utah to see if there was a a connection between Wilson and the slaying of 17-year-old Teresa Garcia at a rural home at Mountain Home on Tuesday.

“They’re going down there to check it out. Right now, it’s hard to say if there is or isn’t.” Layher said.

In addition, police in Corvallis told KTVX in Salt Lake City that Wilson could be a person of interest in the disappearance of Brigham Young University student Brooke Wilberger. She disappeared May 24 from an apartment complex owned by her family near the Oregon State University campus.

The chase that led to Wilson’s suicide followed two shootings Wednesday in the Grantsville area of western Utah.

The first shooting occurred at Grantsville laundry. Kimberli Lingard, 17, who worked at the laundry, was found by patrons about 7:30 p.m. and was flown to University Hospital in Salt Lake City, Police Chief Danny Johnson said. Less than $50 was taken.

Her family issued a statement Thursday saying that after hours of brain surgery, “she is doing better than we initially expected.”

The second shooting occurred about 9:30 p.m. at a gas station/restaurant in Delle, 70 miles east of the Nevada line, Tooele County spokesman Wade Mathews said. A clerk, 59-year-old Dee Jensen, was shot in the neck. She was flown to a local hospital, where she is listed in serious condition.

After the second shooting, investigators received descriptions of the gunman and his vehicle, and roadblocks were set up.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=81761

I sure hope he did not go to his grave with information about Brooke. That would be heartbreaking!!!!

annemc2
06-11-2004, 02:03 PM
whoa - thanks for the updates, guys. that is truly terrifying. like Anngelique said, i sincerely hope that this guy didn't go out with valuable information about what happened to Brooke.....

dannyodie
06-11-2004, 05:05 PM
question; how far from where brooke went missing is any desert land? just thinking if the man that killed himself could or would have gone to the extreme to bury a body or if he would just find a place to dump a body? just wonder if he was the person that did this if he would drive so far as a desert area to dispose of it?

Anngelique
06-11-2004, 05:25 PM
http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68145

GRANTSVILLE, UTAH - Police investigating the Brook Wilberger disappearance are frustrated because a "person of interest" in her case killed himself.
Utah police told KATU that Richard Wilson shot two people, execution style during a robbery Thursday then killed himself after a police chase.

Wilson is also a suspect in two other murders and a rape in Biggs Junction, which is east of The Dalles.

Ten-years-ago he served a sentence for raping a woman at gunpoint in Washington.

Wilson served time for the rape, and was recently released from prison. Corvallis investigators are aware of a possible connection to Brooke.

"He's just a one name of many that we'll take a look at. We've added him to our list of people to look and determine if he's in this area," said Corvallis Police Lt. Ron Nobel. "He's obviously tied at least to the Columbia Gorge in Oregon and Biggs area. He is a person in the Northwest that's obviously engaged in some pretty bad activity, so were gonna take a lot to make sure he's not involved."

It's been 19 days since Brooke disappeared in Corvallis. Police have received more than 2,700

There is a video as well.

scandi
06-11-2004, 11:42 PM
I hope he isn't her kidnapper. It might to find out where she is then, and I so want her home with her family.

I wonder what it is that made them add this guy to their list? Nothing specific, I don't think, just the fact he was a crazy who raped women and was operating in the Northwest. Doesn't seem to be enough of a reason to seriously consider him as the perp. Unless he can be traced back to being in the Corvallis area at the same time she went missing. Now that would be different!

Thank you Newsperson for the information. ;)


Scandi

dannyodie
06-12-2004, 10:34 AM
scandi, I think that the reason that the police may consider him a person of interest is for the fact that he left from wala wala washington, then on to biggs,then continueing on thru portland, corvallis and finally to medford. since he was know to target girls the age of brooke and the fact that he went thru corvallis makes him a person of interest in the eyes of the law enforcement. they claim that there is some credit card receipts that show his travel history from wala wala washington down to the medford area, the police will be going thru the car to look for evidence that could link him to brooke, hopefully they will use scent detecting dogs to see if they hit on the car for brookes scent.which would remain for a great deal of time inside the car, I do really hope that they consider doing just that. if she was ever in that car there will be some trace evidence of her left in it, hair strands, scent, maybe even trace blood evidence, so if he is the man then he may have taken her on down the road towards medford, whatever highway that would have been, maybe he found a place off along side the road that would be remote for him to assult her, maybe she will be found somewhere along the way, I do hold out some hope she is alive, but looking at this mans history it leaves a possible fact open that she could be deceased. I enlarged the picture of the man in question and couldn't really tell if he had any finger nail scraches on his face, but looks like he has a rough appearence and scrathes might no be visible in a picture. hopefully time will provide the answers into her disappearence.. god bless this family...

Anngelique
06-12-2004, 10:58 AM
Concert to aid search for missing woman

Five groups will perform tonight in a free concert in Corvallis Central Park on behalf of the community’s efforts to find Brooke Wilberger.

The 19-year-old Brigham Young University student vanished May 24 from a parking lot at an apartment complex near Oregon State University.

Hundreds of volunteers have combed through more than 4,000 acres around Corvallis, fanning out along railroad tracks, scouring a Christmas tree farm and driving rural roads in five counties.

The concert will be from 7 to 9 p.m. at the park’s gazebo.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=81793

annemc2
06-12-2004, 03:17 PM
from today's local newspaper (not newsperson! ;) )
http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2004/06/12/news/community/sat02.txt

Anngelique
06-14-2004, 12:50 AM
Corvallis Police Search for Kidnapping Suspect

Corvallis police want to know if an attempted kidnapping Friday is connected in any way to Brooke Wilberger's case. Police say this composite sketch looks like a man who lured a 17-year-old girl into his car Friday afternoon in the town of Lebanon. The girl managed to escape.
The suspect is driving a Silver Honda Accord with gold tint. The car has four doors and has a tan interior.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68197

Please click on this link to see a sketch of the person who attempted to kidnap the girl Friday. Whether or not this person is connected to Brooke I hope they find this skumbag soon!!!!!!

Anngelique
06-14-2004, 10:12 AM
Man attempts kidnapping, police seek any link to Wilberger case

LEBANON — Law enforcement officials are seeking any possible connection between a recent attempted kidnapping and the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger.

A man with a goatee, wearing a sweat shirt bearing the letter “A,” lured a 17-year-old girl into his car Friday in Lebanon — 18 miles from where Wilberger went missing May 24.

The girl in the latest attempted kidnapping managed to escape unscathed, officials said.

A hunt is on for the abductor, who last was seen driving a silver Honda Accord with a gold tint. The news comes after Corvallis discounted a possible connection between a Washington parolee and Wilberger’s disappearance.

Lebanon police Det. Kim Hyde said that police do not know if the abduction last week has any connection to the disappearance of Wilberger, 19, who is thought to have been kidnapped from the parking lot of an apartment in Corvallis.

Lebanon and Corvallis are sharing information about the cases and will pass along any leads, she said.

The Lebanon incident occurred around 1 p.m. Friday, when the suspect driving the Honda Accord passed the girl on the street and shouted at her to get into his car. She complied, thinking he had a weapon, police said.

He drove a few blocks and then received a call on his cell phone, which the victim told police appeared to agitate him. He pulled over and let the girl out. She was not hurt.

Hyde said that eight hours later, a man matching the suspect’s description pulled up to a woman in her late teens or early 20s who was riding a bicycle in approximately the same location. The man was in a Honda that matched the earlier description.

This time, he only talked to the young woman and did not try to get her to enter his car, Hyde said.

— Dan de Carbonel

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=81903

Benefit concert held to thank volunteers

CORVALLIS — Family and friends of Brooke Wilberger gathered Sunday for a benefit concert in Corvallis to thank the thousands of volunteers who helped comb the college town in the search, which began 21 days ago, for the missing college freshman.

And on Saturday, Corvallis police said it doesn’t appear likely that a Washington parolee was involved in Wilberger’s disappearance

Richard Wilson, 39, had interested the Corvallis police because the Walla Walla resident is thought to have been on a crime spree throughout the Northwest after his release from prison in February, including a rape in Biggs Junction, a three-hour drive from Corvallis. Wilson killed himself Wednesday after running into a police roadblock in Utah.

“We have not developed any evidence that suggests Mr. Wilson has been in western Oregon, much less the Corvallis area any time recently,” Corvallis police Lt. Ron Noble said in a statement released Saturday.

BADFlSH
06-15-2004, 04:02 PM
Did anyone else notice that this happened 19 days after the 30 year anniversary of ted bundy abducting a corvallis woman? Most likely just coincidence but 30 is an awfully round number...

scandi
06-16-2004, 03:32 AM
Bon Soire,

Was in bed watching Greta and Lordie do, a girl has been taken close to where Brooke disappeared from. Had to get up and see if there was any news here. I'll stay and tell you the news so you have it first thing in the morning.

Last week a 17 year old girl in Lebanon was kidnapped and got away. He had a gun, got a cell phone call, got agitated let her go. White male w/ baseball hat, made no demands. Got a good sketch.

Abductions happen very seldom here - Lebanon is 18 miles east of Corvallis. A straight shot between the two. Police think there might be a good possibility the two cases are connected but still looking at the other 4 - 5 persons of interest, some more than others.

That's it. Should be a pic in the paper.


Scandi

IndigoFalls
06-16-2004, 04:43 AM
Hi, my first post here. I don't know how to do this very well, but I guess I will learn. For starters, I live in Corvallis, Oregon. I have frequently been in the area where Brooke was abducted. In broad daylight, there is not a lot happening near that area. Maybe a few pedestrians and a quiet hotel parking lot, and most apartment complexes seem pretty empty...maybe students are busy at school.


Did anyone else notice that this happened 19 days after the 30 year anniversary of ted bundy abducting a corvallis woman? Most likely just coincidence but 30 is an awfully round number...

With regard to KIM (person of interest) Ted Bundy did come down from Washington State to Corvallis and killed a woman here... the theory being that he was throwing off the police in Washington. So it certainly wouldn't be unheard of for someone else to do that.

If Richard Wilson drove from Washington State to southern Oregon that does not necessarily mean he stopped in Corvallis. Corvallis is west of I-5 approx. 10 miles, and would not be on the way if he went down I-5. I would think his vehicle is being searched every which way.

Here are just some random observations. I spotted (not at the crime scene but later and south of it) a very suspicious man. He had red hair. There is a similarity but not totally similar to a man with red hair listed on the web for Benton County. I'd have to go double check, but he was either a parole absconder or a registered sex offender. I think the latter but I'm not positive. Anyway with his photo showing red hair, they clearly list him as having blonde hair. I am afraid if I point the error out to someone in authority that they will just blow me off. But right now, he would be eliminated from even being looked at as a redhead, because of the mistake in listing. He might not have anything to do with Brooke W., but it is very doubtful if any detectives would link it up.

I reported some suspicious activity to a State Police Dispatcher and was blown off with an "alrighty..." but they didn't even take my name or number. The police tell the news and the news tells us they are looking for anything out of the ordinary, out of place, odd. I have reported such things, and nothing comes of it. I don't call 911 because my tips are not life threatening emergencies, but when I e-mail or leave a message on the tip line or talk to a disinterested dispatcher on the non-emergency line, I feel discouraged.

Newsperson, do you happen to know if red hair and a beard have entered into the equation? like with any of the persons of interest? I read somewhere that a black boxy car was named as the vehicle on an attempted crime, but now I can't seem to find where I read it. Was it the attemped abduction shorty before Brooke was abducted? I was thinking maybe it was the event in Lebanon, Oregon, but I guess that was the silverish Honda. The suspicious man I saw had a black boxy vehicle and it had some very distinctive writing on it. Do you happen to know if they know about some writing on the vehicle and are holding it out as a way to be sure of reportings?

2 more questions, 1) Did any psychics actually send in tips? I know you said there was some misreporting about the sawmill. But did any psychics mention a rock quarry? (not the Morse Brothers disturbed earth thing) but maybe Green & White Gravel on Payne Road? or any quarry?

2) Do you happen to know if profiles for predatory men would generally include or not include obsessive-compulsive behavior as far as the neatness and order of their person, their home or their vehicle?

Thanks very much.

annemc2
06-16-2004, 04:55 PM
hi Indigofalls - nice to have you here! interesting post - the only thing that i can reply to is that i remember hearing on the local news that the car described in the earlier abduction attempt where the girl got away was, indeed, a "black, boxy" type of car.

IndigoFalls
06-16-2004, 05:36 PM
:banghead: :confused:
hi Indigofalls - nice to have you here! interesting post - the only thing that i can reply to is that i remember hearing on the local news that the car described in the earlier abduction attempt where the girl got away was, indeed, a "black, boxy" type of car.

Thank-you for response and welcome. I am curious about so many things. I reread every post about this, and yes, the black boxy car was mentioned as belonging to the man who made an attempted abduction a few days before Brooke. I wonder if the woman who got away has given any description at all of the guy?

Also, I wanted to clarify that when I said the area Brooke was abducted from was pretty quiet, I didn't mean on days when they have big games at Reser Stadium which is quite near. I meant that when there is no game, I could spend quite a fair amount of time there just wandering around and hardly see but a few people, not much traffic, and only 1 person asked me what I was doing. I wasn't doing anything illegal, but it may have looked that way to some people. This wasn't just 1 day I am talking about. I was in that neighborhood a number of times before the abduction and what few people were there just didn't seem very curious or suspicious of me or anything else.

IndigoFalls
06-16-2004, 06:03 PM
The CPD reiterates, any tip can help. Call them. On my first post yesterday, I only quoted badfish because I wasn't even sure how to do a quote with this group. But I have read every post 2 times now, and I am learning my way around this group. My post was actually to all of you, as I am new and would like to join in the discusssion. And BTW, when I pose a question, it is not just rhetorical. I really am interested in what people think the answer might be. I.e. the sexual predator clearly showing red hair, but listed as a blonde. Should I try to get the record changed, or should I choose my battles more carefully?

One time in Corvallis, I reported to a parole and probation officer that their client was receiving correspondence from a known felon in prison across the state. I broke no laws in finding this letter. I thought they would be happy with the knowledge, they would probably never find out on their own. Instead it seems some of them are protective of their clients and were not interested in hearing anything bad about them, told me it wasn't my job to "dog" them. Instead they tried to put me on the defensive about how did I know, and why did I have the letter and they weren't going to do anything about it unless of course I wanted to return the letter to their client, they would take it from me. Geeesh, talk about enabling people. Oh it turned out later on that the the probation officer's client was not only corresponding with a known felon, but the client ALSO was a known felon, having used a weapon in the commission of a crime. The reason I say all this is I wonder how many times a perfectly good tip comes through that gets ignored. :banghead:

IndigoFalls
06-17-2004, 01:29 AM
Hi, I just looked at my profile here and it says I am NOT a member of any public groups. I thought that was what this was, the Crime Sleuthing Community. Could someone give me some examples of what is considered to be a Public Group? :doh:

Doyle
06-17-2004, 09:00 AM
IndigoFalls, Welcome.

as far as being a member of a group goes, the software we use, allows subgroups, but I don't believe that anyone is part of any. You are a member of the Websleuths group however.

It is interesting for us to get local knowledge. How often do you go into the area? Are you associated with Law enforcement? How close is everyone following the case? Have you been able to help out on any searches?

IndigoFalls
06-17-2004, 01:56 PM
IndigoFalls, Welcome.
It is interesting for us to get local knowledge. How often do you go into the area? Are you associated with Law enforcement? How close is everyone following the case? Have you been able to help out on any searches?

Thank-you for the warm welcome. I live in Corvallis, Oregon. The specific area from which Brooke was abducted, I have been in maybe 3 to 5 times not too long before May 24, 2004. I went to that neighborhood once afterward, and television crews and reporters were all over the area.

As far as the city, it covers a large area. Within the city limits there are remote areas. There are parts of Corvallis and of Benton County, that I have observed quite closely for many years. Linn County and Lane County which are nearby, I also know quite a bit about.

People are concerned about Brooke, and the other attempted abductions. Some people have sleuthing as a hobby, some don't. Many people are new to the area, but many remember that Ted Bundy was here killing a college girl 30 years ago. The local newspaper, the Gazette-Times has a little section called Brooke Wilberger - Day 21, Day 22 and so on. There must be some news because they have received over 2,000 tips, but the police are keeping pretty quiet about the names of the persons of interest, and what the tips have been.

I can tell you this. I have never lived in a town where so many flyers were everywhere about an abduction. I have seen them posted as closely apart as every 30 or 40 feet on telephone poles, grocery stores, vehicles, billboards. A person would be hard-pressed not to notice them. Some people are sad; some are angry; some people pray and some are particularly concerned for their children. Some people are jumpy, on edge. I thought I had seen the flyers just about everywhere when I went to pay a bill a few days ago. There was a mailbox, but not for mail. It has payment envelopes and a pen in it to use before you put your payment in a locked slot, drop off. I was amazed that inside this fake mailbox there were about 20 small versions of the flyers about Brooke.

Someone here mentioned that Miranda Gaddis and Ashley Pond (spelling?) didn't get this much attention, but I believe that the first I heard of them was a huge billboard up by Oregon City, Oregon with a $50,000 (not positive of amount) reward. So maybe not as much attention, but certainly some.

No, I am not associated with law enforcement at this time. I have not helped in any physical searches. I have submitted a number of tips, and I have been diligent about watching for things that seem out of the ordinary or odd. I look, observe, notice.

I know a number of the Corvallis Police Officers, the Sheriff, the Mayor and some of the City Planning people, and all of the County Commissioners, some only casually and some on a first name basis. I have been to Central Park (where they had the thank-you concert) many many times... the beautiful Benton County Courthouse as well. When a certain highway or park or area is mentioned, chances are good that I have been there often.

Anngelique
06-17-2004, 03:45 PM
Here is some breaking news on the Brooke Wilberger case. You can click on the link before to get the full story and to see a video on the story.

June 17, 2004

Tigard Park Becomes Focus Of Wilberger Case


TIGARD, ORE. - The search for a missing Brigham Young University student who disappeared last month from a Corvallis apartment complex expanded to Washington County on Wednesday.
Investigators searched the Summerlake Park area of Tigard, but found no sign of the missing 19-year-old.

They would not say why they were searching that area, although the park is about a half-mile from the home of a man who was named as a person of interest in the case, Sung Koo Kim.

He remains of significant interest in the case according to authorities, along with a few other people.


Sung Koo Kim also faces charges of stealing women's underwear from an Oregon State University dorm room and is also a suspect in burglaries and thefts at George Fox University in Newberg.


Police found more than 1,000 pairs of underwear in his house, some of which had labels attached identifying the college, dorm and woman from whom they had allegedly been stolen.

Although named as a person of interest in the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger, Kim's lawyer says there is evidence that places the man away from Corvallis on the day that she vanished.

Police say they cannot verify Kim's alibi, but they also have no firm evidence linking him to Brooke's disappearance.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68350

IndigoFalls
06-17-2004, 05:50 PM
Anngelique, thank-you for keeping us up to date. I appreciate it. :clap:

Anngelique
06-17-2004, 06:18 PM
Anngelique, thank-you for keeping us up to date. I appreciate it. :clap:

YW Indigo and welcome by the way. I am normally always in a hurry as I run a Daycare. However, I am a news hound and I search the website for Katu and the Statesman Journal several times a day. When ever I see something new I will post it.

I just pray we find Brooke.

Did you see the story about the 2 yr old boy who was kidnapped in Corvallis last night? Thank goodness he was found safe and sound, but I want to know what the HECK is going on over in that area. I am in Salem and it is too close to home and this is getting scary!!

scandi
06-18-2004, 03:49 AM
Hi,

Just an interesting note here, as we are sleuthers all!

The other night when I posted about the 17 year old gal in Lebanon that was abducted and then released when he received an cell phone call that got him agitated. I was too tired to come way back over here and post this link I found, but it was simply amazing. Last night I went back to retreive it and bring it over and it was poof! gone.

In a news story about the 17 year old abduction, it told about a guy who walked into a bar to have a drink and was reading the paper. There was a sketch of the perp in the paper. The waitress or bartender got a bit nervous . He said, gee, I sure look like this guy. She said it was time for him to leave. He said he would like to finish reading the article first. She said OK. He finished reading it and then he left. As he drove off she tried to look at his license plate, and the only thing she could see was an S.

Freaky huh! Sounds like freaky tales to me, almost like in a move.

Well, evidently the police had this article pulled off the net as it is part of there investigation. One of those things that probably should never have been published in the first place, both investigations ongoing as they are!


Scandi

Anngelique
06-18-2004, 12:01 PM
That IS very interesting Scandi!

So what does everyone think about the 2 yr old child that was abducted as well? Do you guys think they are at all linked? Does anyone think that the other girls that have been almost abducted are linked? What do you think of the panty thief?

I guess I am wondering if anyone has a "feeling" about this case.

IndigoFalls
06-18-2004, 10:29 PM
You were asking about what did we think about the 2 or 3 year old boy who was abducted just about 2 or 3 miles from where Brooke was abducted. I personally don't think they are connected. Just my opinion of course. The whole story of the little boy is secretive and kind of fishy. I think it may have been some older kids or teenagers who watched too much TV. If one can trust the newspaper, the boy was found by a woman early hours of the morning after he was taken. Did the woman call the police? No, she put the boy in her car and had him tell her the way to where he lived. I don't know very many 2 to 3 year old kids who could spend a night taken away from their parents and still have duct tape residue on them, and be able to show someone where they live when it was around and down and then another jog in the streets several blocks away. I don't buy it. I think the woman who found the boy may know more than they are letting on, or may even be involved.
I got a bit of a shocker when I read the article in the Corvallis Gazette-Times about the boy. You know how sometimes they take a picture of whatever is handy just to have a photograph. Well the newpaper picture about the boy showed MY old neighbor and MY old apartment group mailbox! Seems I lived next door to where this occured. The elderly woman ex-neighbor of mine said it was a good neighborhood. I think she is very naive. The apartment complex next to mine, the one the boy lived in, was worse than mine, and seemed to be run by slum-lords. There were racial problems, heavy drinking, theft, drugs like meth, assaults, managers who were afraid of their tenants so let them get away with stuff, parole & probation violations, atleast one parent threatening to kill her child. This I know from personal knowledge, not the newspapers. Of course there were decent people too. Doors were kicked in by police on several occasions on the not so decent people. One time that I witnessed they gave the person 45 minutes of repeated warnings that they were coming in. One of the officers said, "I mean it!" Sure! Plenty of time to dispose of drugs, comb your hair and put some ice on bruises, and make everything look calmer. I think if you warn someone 3 times that they have 5 minutes to come out or you are breaking down the door, that you should stick to your word and not coddle the people. Especially when there is young boy inside. Service to Children & Family told me that verbal abuse isn't considered abuse, and that the person probably didn't mean they were going to kill their child. Arrrrrrgh. Then they keep saying get involved, report abuse. Yeah right! I'll get off my soapbox now. :banghead: :furious:

Anngelique
06-19-2004, 10:34 AM
Now we have someone who tried to abduct a 16 yr old girl in Albany. For those of you who are not from around this area, Albany and Corvallis are neighboring cities. This is like the 3rd or 4th teen girl who has been almost abducted in the last week or so. It has happened in cities next to Corvallis. The one before this one the car description was a silver Honda. This car is said to be a blue pickup.

So it makes me wonder do we have more than one sicko running around? Same person different cars? Does any of this have anything to do with Brooke?

Man I hope they find this person or these people. Corvallis, Albany, and Lebanon were what I considered "safe" places to live.

:(

Police seek man who tried to abduct girl

ALBANY — Albany police were looking for a man who reportedly tried to abduct a 16-year-old girl Friday as she walked near Heritage Mall, police said.

The girl told officers that she was walking about 10 a.m. on the 2300 block of 16th Avenue SE when a blue pickup pulled up beside her, Albany police Chief Joe Simon said.

The driver told the girl repeatedly to get into the pickup, but she refused, continued walking and eventually hid behind shrubs, Simon said. The driver finally gave up and drove away.

The driver was described as white, in his 30s or 40s, with an average build and short, dark brown hair.

The pickup was described as dark blue with a bluish interior, bucket seats and a toddler’s car seat, upholstered with swirling bright rainbow colors, in the passenger seat. Anyone with information should call (541) 917-7680.

annemc2
06-19-2004, 10:13 PM
yeah, all this stuff that's happening is really weird. i've lived in corvallis for almost a year now and have never seen anything like all these abductions. in houston, it was par for the course but around here things seem(ed) very, very safe.

it makes me wonder if there are actually more abduction attempts/creepy things going on around here or if they are just more visible now because of the highly publicized case of brooke. like maybe the press is more interested in these things because it's such a "hot" topic right now? for instance, i don't remember reading about the attempted abduction (before brooke) in the paper and a co-worker told me about how her daughter was followed around by a creepy man at a park (also before brooke disappeared) which was reported to police and we never heard anything about that (not even in the gazette-times' crime bulletin). weird.

scandi
06-21-2004, 01:21 AM
Totally a bizzare situation in that Corvallis Albany Lebanon area. Three girls - all late teens, 2 got away 1 didn't. I'd look pretty closely at that, but I don't have any real particulars making up a MO to go by. The little boy isn't connected I don't think.

We know these things happen all of the time and we don't usually hear about them. Maybe the response to Brooke as spurned a more in depth reporting on these attacks.

The panty sicko from Tigard seems to be a sexual pervert or predator, and aren't these people usually not violent? The peek and follow people, but have to get their pleasure by pretending with a pair of panties, all cataloged and named. A pretty gutless wonder I think. I could be totally wrong though.

DOYLE, Great to see you here posting. Havn't had the pleasure to meet you, but always enjoy seeing our administrative and mod staff participating here. Good straightforward questions, hit 'em right between the eyes kind of approach. I like that in a sleuther.

Hi to Anna and Anngelique - I check back here all the time, you know to see if you have heard anything else new! :blowkiss:


Scandi

englishleigh
06-21-2004, 01:07 PM
Those of you in the Corvallis area...I'd be really, really careful and if you have daughters, watch them VERY closely. It sounds to me like there may be a serial abductor/killer on the loose. Brooke may have been his first victim...he got away with that, he may have become a lot bolder & may be using different vehicles, but I definitely think it's all connected. :(

Anngelique
06-21-2004, 09:19 PM
After reading this article it makes me pray Brooke was not taken by Kim. If he did, it could be horrible!!!!



Suspect's Computer Full Of Violence And Porn

A disturbing picture is emerging of a Tigard man who is accused of stealing thousand of pairs of underwear from college dormitories and who was arrested today on theft and burglary charges.
Sung Koo Kim, 30, was arrested today following a court appearance in Yamhill County and is being held at the Multnomah County jail on $10,000,000 bail.

In a court affidavit, detectives outlined their case against Kim and described what they found when they searched his Tigard home.

Among the items found on his computer were 40,000 violent pictures of tortured, raped and mutilated women and 4,000 pornographic and violent videos.

Detectives also discovered videos of two women doing laundry at Concordia University.

The arrest comes just four days after Kim pleaded innocent to charges of stealing women's underwear on May 2 from a dorm room at Oregon State University in Corvallis.



In addition to suspected of being a panty thief, Kim is also a person of interest in the disappearance of 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger, who has been missing for several weeks.

However, despite the unusual items Kim had stored on his computer, he still remains only a person of interest in the missing woman's case.

Kim's arrest comes just four days after he pleaded innocent to charges of stealing women's underwear on May 2 from a dorm room at Oregon State University in Corvallis.

Kim is scheduled to be arraigned on Tuesday.

(From KATU & AP reports)

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68481

IndigoFalls
06-21-2004, 10:58 PM
That is creepy and fascinating about Kim. I didn't know he was arrested again. Brooke Wilberger has pretty much disappeared from the news in the Corvallis Gazette-Times the last few days. I keep hoping they will get a break in the case. One paper quoted (I think it was Capt. Deutsch from CPD, but don't quote me) as not knowing why they went up to Tigard and searched the park near Kim's home last week. I just don't buy that. They must have had a reason why. They don't just go willy-nilly around the countryside deciding to search parks way away from where Brooke's abduction took place.

IndigoFalls
06-21-2004, 11:05 PM
I have noticed a couple of errors in the newspaper and on television. Sometimes they say the attempted abduction suspect was wearing a sweatshirt with an "A" on it, but another report within 24 hours will show a sketch of the suspect, and clearly the man has an "A" on his cap, not his sweatshirt.

Another time, the news will say another abduction attempt with involving a certain vehicle was in Lebanon, when in fact that attempt was in Corvallis. Or they get the city right and mix up the suspect vehicle.

IndigoFalls
06-21-2004, 11:25 PM
.

It was very nice I thought and really exemplified how the community has pulled together in so many ways to bring Brooke home.

Yes, I live in the Albany/Corvallis area.


Best wishes.
I really enjoy your posts. They are thoughtful, reliable and interesting. Anything new on the police going through all the tips they got?

IndigoFalls
06-21-2004, 11:30 PM
After reading this article it makes me pray Brooke was not taken by Kim. If he did, it could be horrible!!!!



Suspect's Computer Full Of Violence And Porn

Kim is scheduled to be arraigned on Tuesday.

(From KATU & AP reports)

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68481

Has anyone charted the various attempted abductions and whether Kim was in or out of jail at the time? I am not saying he is guilty before a trial. I am just floating around ideas. He reminds me of that wicked Charles Ng guy who had a partner in crime.

annemc2
06-22-2004, 01:16 AM
eeew ((shudder)) - creepy that you should mention charles ng. he gives me evil chills to the bottom of my soul. not many people can elicit that kind of viceral reaction - pure evil. i can only hope against hope that kim is more of a passive pervert type but i guess we'll soon find out more.

Newswolf
06-22-2004, 10:25 AM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Missing%20Woman%20Kim%20Arrested

"A suspect in the disappearance of a Brigham Young University student had dryer lint in his house that was labeled to be from the apartment complex where the woman was last seen, according to a court document.

Sung Koo Kim, 30, of Tigard was arrested by Portland police Monday on unrelated theft and burglary charges. His bail was set at $10 million after he was accused of stealing underwear from three different Portland college dormitories or laundry rooms starting in October 2002.

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An affidavit filed in Multnomah County said the lint was labeled with the apartment complex from where 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger disappeared on May 24. The document was posted on KGW.com, the Web site of a Portland television station.

Though the bail is unusually high for a theft case, the affidavit says there is "not probable cause" to charge Kim in the Wilberger case.

Kim's lawyer, Janet Lee Hoffman of Portland, said she plans to contest the bail."

tuppence
06-22-2004, 10:47 AM
wow...what a freaky guy. dryer lint? at 10 mil they must think he could really be the guy and after hearing about all that violent porn in his collection sounds alot more likely...

englishleigh
06-22-2004, 11:00 AM
Dryer lint?? So he'd been digging through someone's laundry?? Maybe Brooke's, looking for underwear? Could the dryer lint possibly be trace evidence that may have been on the clothing she was wearing??

OMG, he's definitely an unofficial suspect for sure.

Newswolf
06-22-2004, 02:15 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_062104_news_panty_thief_.284469780.html

"In addition, police found videos of two women doing laundry at Concordia University in Portland; the women were unaware they were being watched, Steed contended.


Kim had compiled a list of foreign countries that won't extradite wanted criminals to the U.S., Steed's statement alleged. He said Kim's computer showed Internet searches for 10 female college students by name and contained a file labeled "osu.doc" that listed activities involving rape and torture. "

This is a recently updated story.

annemc2
06-22-2004, 03:04 PM
eeeeew - they showed a table (presumably at the police station) that was filled with HUNDREDS of pairs of women's underwear. and dryer lint? jeez - what a sick freak. soooo glad he is locked up. sounds like CPD is still being pretty tight-lipped about Kim's involvement in Brooke's case. we shall see......

Anngelique
06-22-2004, 05:26 PM
http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68510

Here is more on Kim and the lint.

Newswolf
06-22-2004, 08:27 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_062204_news_missing_woman_arraignment.28973293 f.html

"The arraignment for Sung Koo Kim, the man named as a possible suspect in the disappearance of 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger, was postponed Tuesday afternoon because his attorney asked for time to negotiate his release from jail.

For the time being, a Multnomah County judge ordered that Kim remain jailed on $10 million bail for unrelated theft and burglary charges.

scandi
06-23-2004, 12:22 AM
If you take this:

Also found on the computer was a file labeled "osu.doc," which listed activities involving the rape and torture of a woman.

plus:

The police can not verify his alibi &
Dryer lint from the apt where Brooke lived

it reeks of a man of havoc, who in my mind has finally reached out into another plane of his sickness. For enough time as it took for his brain to center on women's underwear as the point of his relationship with them personally, to a reaching from his mind to learn about rape and how to torture a woman, could it be that this man has had his first conquest in the flesh and Brooke was the object of his desire?

It does seem that the possibilities warrant a $10,000,000 bail! Would you want this man out stalking your college daughter. 5 NW colleges - Oregon State University, George Fox in Newberg and three colleges in Portland that are the new charges, one of which is our Lutheran College, Concordia.

Flippin perv to the 10th degree IMHO. To the task of collecting dryer lint, to savor every possible touch of it to their body!

If we lived in Medieval times, this guy would have already been strung out and quartered. An absolute and freightening menace on society! A true threat, and I am thankful to all of the police efforts that resulted in getting him while they could. He has not yet been proven to have taken Brooke. But I think the crimes this man has comitted against womanhood are undeniable, and do feel safer tonight knowing that he is downtown at the Justice Center in Portland. And to all of the college women throughout the State of Oregon: He will not be stealing into your room when you are gone!

I hope Brookes parents are OK. It must be terribly difficult for them to hear of these new statements from what has been learned and done by the police. God Bless them and give them strength.



Scandi

IndigoFalls
06-23-2004, 02:29 AM
It only took me most of the night to notice there was a 7th page of posts here. I kept looking and thought there weren't any new posts, because it ended with mine of page 6. Oh, well, I am still learning.

I have some hunches about KIM. I wonder in all that massive amount of stuff on his computer if there was any fascination with Ted Bundy? Ted was born on the 24th on one month, executed on the 24th of still another month and Brooke disappeared on still another 24 of a month. Could all be conincidence but makes me curious. Badfish pointed out earlier it has been 30 years since Ted Bundy killed someone in Corvallis, Oregon. Does anyone know the street address of where the sorority house that Ted Bundy used was, or a room number of the girl he killed in Corvallis? Also does anyone know if the sorority house is still in use, as the same sorority or some other, or basically abandoned for 30 years? I don't have a telephone directory for back in the 1970s. If it is abandoned, I would like to go on record as suggesting the police search it, especially the laundry room and the room/rooms where a girl was killed. I may be a little over the top, but I think it might be a hiding place for Brooke's abductor to have placed her.

IndigoFalls
06-23-2004, 04:16 AM
I guess I am off a bit on the location for the abduction of Roberta Kathleen Parks from Corvallis. I was thinking they found her body in a sorority house in Corvallis, but they just found part of her body, a skull, on Taylor Mountain in Washington State. She was abducted in Corvallis 30 years ago, but not anything to do with a sorority house. Apparently she took a late night walk from her dorm at OSU to either another dorm or to the Student Union. She was abducted at that time, but I don't think they know exactly where she was killed between there and Taylor Mountain, Washington.

Newswolf
06-24-2004, 09:52 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68566

The man accused of stealing women's underwear from college dormitories in three Oregon cities has been named as a "viable suspect" in a similar string of burglaries at Pacific University, authorities said Wednesday.

Anngelique
06-24-2004, 04:42 PM
Court Documents Show Kim Had Airtight Alibi



PORTLAND, ORE. - Lawyers for the Tigard man named as a suspect in the disappearance of a 19-year-old college student filed court papers Thursday that appeared to validate his claim of innocence, according to an Associated Press wire report.
According to the documents, the day that Brooke Wilberger disappeared from a Corvallis apartment complex, Sung Koo Kim was at home, making online stock trades, according to computer records.

After that, Kim went shopping with his father at a local Circuit City, where he was apparently captured on a surveillance video. A sales tax receipt also indicates that he was at the store.

Kim, 30, is suspected of burglary in three Oregon counties, after allegations that he stole women's lingerie from college dormitories and has pleaded not guilty to all charges lodged against him.

Kim is being held in Multnomah County on $10 million bail, an unusually high amount for a theft case.

In an affadavit filed last week in Multnomah County, Michael Schrunk, Multnomah County's district attorney, wrote that the high bail was partly because, "Kim is suspected of responsibility in the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger in Corvallis, although there is not probable cause to arrest him for crimes connected to that disappearance at this time."

Police found more than 3,000 pairs of women's underwear in the house that Kim shares with his parents - along with dryer lint labeled as being from the apartment building where Wilberger was last seen.

Wilberger is a Brigham Young University student who was visiting her sister in Corvallis when she vanished May 24.

Her disappearance sparked a massive volunteer search effort and has drawn national attention.

Corvallis police had identified Kim as one of four people "of significant interest" in the Wilberger disappearance.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68610

Anngelique
06-24-2004, 10:59 PM
June 24, 2004
Does He Or Does He Not Have An Alibi?

By SARAH LINN

PORTLAND, Ore. - "Significant evidence" links a Tigard man to the disappearance of a 19-year-old college student, and his alibi is far from "iron-clad," prosecutors said in a court affidavit filed Thursday.

The affidavit came in response to earlier court papers filed by a lawyer for Sung Koo Kim, a suspect in Brooke Wilberger's disappearance. In those papers, attorney Janet Lee Hoffman said her client was at his Tigard home when Wilberger vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex.

Hoffman said Kim, 30, spent the morning making online stock trades via Ameritrade, then went shopping with his father at a local Circuit City.

In her court memorandum, Hoffman also said Kim's alibi is backed up by his family and Ameritrade records - as well as a surveillance video and receipt detailing the Circuit City trip.

But Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schrunk argued that the alibi is a weak one.

In his affidavit, Schrunk said the drive to Corvallis to Tigard is only about an hour and 20 minutes.

He also said that the stock trades were done on the computer of Kim's sister, Jung Kim, and that she has refused to take a polygraph test.

Schrunk said the first confirmed appearance of Kim at Circuit City was at 12:42 p.m. - nearly three hours after Wilberger disappeared.

The district attorney said that there is "significant evidence tending to connect" Kim with Wilberger's disappearance. "The defendant does not have an iron-clad alibi," he said.

Kim has been charged with stealing thousands of pairs of women's underwear from college dormitories in three Oregon counties, but has pleaded innocent. He is being held in Multnomah County on $10 million bail.

Schrunk said Kim stole women's underwear in late April or early May from the laundry room of the apartment complex where Wilberger was last seen. Dryer lint from that apartment complex was found at Kim's home.

According to the affidavit, that lint was labeled with the name of Lynsey Foree, a student at nearby Oregon State University who frequented the apartments and was scheduled to move into the complex in late May.

Schrunk said Kim had a copy of Foree's picture and biographical information in his computer, adding that she bears a resemblance to the missing Brigham Young University student.

Also found on Kim's computer were 40,000 pictures of women being tortured and raped - as well as a document labeled "osu.doc," which describes the rape, torture and mutilation of a woman, according to an earlier affidavit filed by Portland police.

Schrunk said that Kim is a suspect in Wilberger's disappearance, but conceded, "There is no probable cause" to arrest him in the case.

Wilberger was visiting her sister in Corvallis when she vanished May 24, sparking a massive search effort.

Corvallis police had identified Kim as one of four people "of significant interest" in the Wilberger case.

His lawyer, Hoffman, wrote in her memorandum that Kim also passed a polygraph exam administered June 23 by a private examiner.

During the exam, Kim answered "No" to questions asking whether he had abducted Wilberger, or had any contact with her on May 24.

Schrunk said the polygraph test was "not persuasive."

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68616

scandi
06-24-2004, 11:13 PM
Thanks Anngelique,

I wonder if Mr. Kim mistook Brooke for Lynsey Foree? Could be! Having lint that he himself had ID'ed as coming from the apt house where Brooke had stayed by OSU is very incriminating, wouldn't you think?

Anne and Newsperson, have either of you heard anything else? In the back of my mind I imagine this guy could have had an accomplice. Stealing women's underwear and using his imagination while holding it to his body to satisfy himself sounds like a passive way to enjoy oneself. Now actually getting the underwear is another thing - the risk and challenge could be tricky for eluding getting caught in the act. It leads me to believe he might have a cohort who he controled who might have assisted him - could have even been a female, right. What easier way to get into a dorm and then slink into the laundry room than being of like kind whom no one would feel suspicious!



A bit out of the box, I guess! ;)
Scandi

Anngelique
06-25-2004, 09:45 AM
Hi Scandi,

That is a good question about having a cohort. Who knows, maybe he even dressed up in drag. LOL

All I know is Kim is much more dangerous than just stealing panties. With what the LE found on his computer it means he is a ticking time bomb that may or may not have detonated yet. He reminds me a lot of what Bundy said he was like. Starting out with soft porn and eventually into heavy sadistic porn. (Also sounds like SP)

People say hard porn is harmless but when you start having to satisfy your sexual urges with people being tortured, with animals and other unnatural ways then it becomes very dangerous indeed.

I was so hoping for Brooke to come home. I am very concerned now that they feel Kim might be a true suspect. If he was home in a few hours shopping then it means he had to kidnap her and either store her or dispose of her somewhere quickly. If he is into torturing I would suspect it was disposing of her. It breaks my heart to say that, but I don't have a good feeling about finding her safe anymore.

:o( I hope we find out more details soon and the Wilburger family can put their minds at rest.

Love_Mama
06-25-2004, 12:16 PM
I think I've read every post........but has anyone wondered if the parent's of this guy didn't think it was weird he had all those panties?

Just curious.....Look's like his alibi isn't so good after all........
This must be the right guy.......

xxxxxxxooooo
mama

Anngelique
06-25-2004, 03:40 PM
I think I've read every post........but has anyone wondered if the parent's of this guy didn't think it was weird he had all those panties?

Just curious.....Look's like his alibi isn't so good after all........
This must be the right guy.......

xxxxxxxooooo
mama

Oh yes, I have very much wondered about these parents and the fact that he has so many underwear and some actually labeled. I also think it is strange that he is 30 and still lives at home.

Today I took my daycare children to a park a block away from my house. When we got to the park we noticed a bike lying on its side and a bike helmet and far away from that a vest and then over by the swingset a whole bunch of Yugio cards in their protective covers. I thought it was very strange as their were no children in sight. Then after being at the park for 30 mins I thought, you know, a child could have been abducted. So I had two of my 9 yr old daycare children walk back to my house and get my cell phone. I called 911. A police officer came out but he was not worried and said he could not do anything with the bike and property. He would make a note of it but that was it. I told him if there is a report of a missing child to remember this stuff in the park.

I don't know if Websleuths is making extra cautious but I would rather be safe than sorry.

By the way, I live in Salem, Oregon which is about 30 mins from where Brooke was abducted. We were there for an hour and a half and still no one showed up for the stuff.

Anngelique
06-25-2004, 05:52 PM
June 25, 2004

Was Sung Koo Kim stalking an OSU student?

CORVALLIS, ORE. - An Oregon man named as a suspect in the disappearance of a Brigham Young University student may have been stalking a woman from southern Oregon.
Prosecutors say Kim stole women's underwear from the laundry room of the apartment complex where Brooke Wilberger was last seen.

Dryer lint from that apartment complex was found at Kim's home.

According to the affidavit, that lint was labeled with the name of a student at Oregon State University.

Police say she was scheduled to move into the complex.

Prosecutors say Kim had a copy of her picture and biographical information in his computer.

Kim has been charged with stealing thousands of pairs of women's underwear from college dormitories. He has pleaded innocent.

He is being held in Multnomah County on $10 million bail.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68638

Oceanbreeze
06-25-2004, 06:13 PM
Oh yes, I have very much wondered about these parents and the fact that he has so many underwear and some actually labeled. I also think it is strange that he is 30 and still lives at home.

Today I took my daycare children to a park a block away from my house. When we got to the park we noticed a bike lying on its side and a bike helmet and far away from that a vest and then over by the swingset a whole bunch of Yugio cards in their protective covers. I thought it was very strange as their were no children in sight. Then after being at the park for 30 mins I thought, you know, a child could have been abducted. So I had two of my 9 yr old daycare children walk back to my house and get my cell phone. I called 911. A police officer came out but he was not worried and said he could not do anything with the bike and property. He would make a note of it but that was it. I told him if there is a report of a missing child to remember this stuff in the park.

I don't know if Websleuths is making extra cautious but I would rather be safe than sorry.

By the way, I live in Salem, Oregon which is about 30 mins from where Brooke was abducted. We were there for an hour and a half and still no one showed up for the stuff.


Wow Anngelique, that is so strange. I hope everything is okay.

Anngelique
06-25-2004, 07:55 PM
June 25, 2004

Wilberger family offering $3,000 reward for Brooke

CORVALLIS, ORE. - Another reward is being offered in the case of a 19-year-old woman who disappeared from a Corvallis apartment complex last month.
Brooke Wilberger, a Brigham Young University student who was visiting her sister on summer break, vanished on May 24.

The Wilberger family is now offering a reward of $3,000 for any valid information that leads to the location of Brooke.

There is also a $30,000 reward offered for the safe return of Brooke, as well as a separate $5,000 reward from the Carole/Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation.

scandi
06-25-2004, 10:18 PM
Hi de Ho guys,

As I was walking in the door and flipped on the news, they had just started talking about Brooke. His bail was increased today, to what I do not know, as he was brought down to Benton County to appear on 3 new charges.

And then, naturally, as I was placing my groceries on the kitchen counter, I heard underwear mentioned. By the time I got within view of the TV, they were showing a shot of his computer screen with a pic of him dressed in women's underwear! I think! Darn those groceries :D A very sick man we are dealing with.

And the more I think about it I could make the supposition that he could have dressed as a woman to have believable entry into their dorms, including areas like a laundry room. A long haired black wig, capris and a light sweatshirt, sandels - he'd pass, just be a tall gal. So dangerous, wasn't he. I am so glad he is incarcerated, and think it will be a long time now if he ever gets out due to so many charges where they have so much evidence.


Newsperson, are there any more thoughts floating around in press circles?



Scandi

Anngelique
06-25-2004, 10:26 PM
Scandi so me joking about him dressing up in drag was not off the mark. LOL

He is one SICK individual. I hope if he is the one who did it, that they nail him to the wall!!!!

PS on KATU.com they show pictures of all the underwear. There is NO WAY his mother could not have known that was in his room unless he kept the room locked and she was not allowed to enter. Even if that was true I would be what's up with that if I were his mother. Something stinks with this family.

Anngelique
06-25-2004, 10:34 PM
Here are some snips from tonights news... I left a lot out so click on the link to read more. http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68662

June 25, 2004

Emerging Evidence Unsettles Wilberger Family

CORVALLIS, ORE. - The case appears to be growing stronger against a Tigard man accused of stealing thousands of women's undergarments from several Oregon universities.
Several disturbing details were released in court documents Friday out of Benton County, where 30-year-old Sung Koo Kim was in court on burglary on theft charges.


In more evidence laid out against Kim on Friday, investigators in Benton County say he had a beginner's guide to lock picking and that they had taken hair and bodily fluid samples from his car and home, as well as a possible blood sample.

Kim's bail amount for Benton County has been set at $100,000 and he is expected back in court there on July 7.

At that time, he will be expected to hand over a handwriting sample, which investigators will compare with handwriting that was found on underwear.

Nonetheless, said Frink, "even if he didn't do this, the facts that make him a suspect are deeply disturbing in themselves."

Meanwhile, Kim's defense has voiced concerns that their client may be depressed.

Criminal psychologist Dr. Frank Colistro says that may be true if Kim is innocent, but if he has committed the types of crimes he is accused of, then he believes that would be a different story.

"They're going to be frustrated, but the kind of person who would commit these crimes usually is so steely emotionally that depression isn't going to be something they experience," he told KATU News.

annemc2
06-26-2004, 12:32 AM
yes, i think that if he were having some depressive symptoms that these would be connected with remorse for what he has done. and i doubt seriously that this guy has any remorse whatsoever. he is sexually deviant, and sees nothing wrong with his behavior - to him it is within the realm of "normal." although many people who are afflicted with some type of paraphilia find their sexual urges distressing, by definition these paraphilias (including fetishism) are concealed from others and acutally appear to exclude or harm others.

and to have a beginner's guide to lockpicking? that is so scary. i am so thankful that this guy is off of the streets.

scandi
06-26-2004, 05:47 PM
Hi Anngelique,

Re this: Scandi so me joking about him dressing up in drag was not off the mark. LOL

I wanted to make sure I had heard this so I listened to the later broadcast and I did hear it correctly. On the computer was an image of him wearing women's underwear!




Scandi

lynie
06-26-2004, 09:18 PM
I haven't heard anything about what the parents are thinking...did see last week a clip where Dad was defending him, but what dad wouldn't...or doesn't ie: SP :loser:

I know in the Korean culture those that bring shame upon the family are often ostricized out of the family, yet these parents seem very supportive in every pic I see of them. Even with the underwear issue...weird...

He very much IMO looks like a scary creep...not all there...
Wasn't he caught doing this several years ago as well?

Lynie

scandi
06-26-2004, 10:56 PM
Hi Lynie,

As dark and scary as the son's criminal activity is, I think we should give the parents here some grace. We have no idea how this guys genetic makeup leads him. Whatever, it certainly would not be with the parents will and blessing.

I saw him on a film clip today on the news ~ he acknowledged his mother as he walked past her into court and she reached out and touched his arm. At the same time, the father who was sitting on the aisle seat partially stood up a bit as his son reached across him, then sat back down, as in acknowledgement {sp - wow, that seems like a long word!}

I think we also have to take into account the traditional ways of Korean culture and what is normally expected in a situation like this. So horrific, and the evidence so far is blatent on the stalking, panty/evidence. I don't think it was his parents fault to be responsible to know what he was up to just because he lived at home. Maybe if they thought something was askew, they prayed about it ~ we don't know!

Now lil' sis, she might be covering for her brother ~ really it is too early to tell without further knowledge.

God bless everyone so touched by this incredulous tragedy.


Scandi

CaliKid
06-27-2004, 04:28 AM
They profiled Brooke on AMW again tonight. Sorry to say, I don't see a positive ending in this. This Kim guy sounds really creepy. And with a sister who won't take a polygraph- hmmmm.

lynie
06-27-2004, 01:44 PM
And a Happy Beautiful Day in the City of Roses to you as well!

I do have to agree with you about the parents being at blame...they should not be held accountable for all of his actions. However, as others in this forum have said, I wonder what they thought about him having all of the undies etc. Normally I would guess that he was very good about hiding them but my goodness...Victoria's Secret has nothing on this guy!

I am assuming here...and I know I should not...but a 30 year old guy that lives at home, doesn't have a job/job (did he? I don't recall hearing about one) usually has a mom that vacuums his room and hangs his clothes. Would nothing have been noticed at all?

I too saw the film clip of him entering one of many courthouses on Friday. What I saw was him smiling smugly at his parents, and them reaching out to him in the only way they could at this time. A very sad picture to be sure and my heart goes out to them.
But at the same time I am angered by him getting away with these acts and find it hard to believe that his parents saw no deviant behavior at all. Even if he did not have anything to do with Brooke's disappearance, he is someone who should be watched.

Luckily I have yet to be put in the position of choosing my love for my child vs. the ache that comes from their poor choices or behavior. Hopefully I never will be. I am in no position to judge them, but was wondering how much do they know and how are they accepting it. I have seen in the Korean culture that families do support each other without limit. They are very protective and proud. But. Once you have brought harm to the reputation of the family (especially the father) it is very difficult to make amends. Perhaps this family has lived stateside long enough to not be so strict on their thinking....I do not know...

As to my other question, do you remember about 3 or 4 years ago another gentleman stalking college campuses and stealing underwear? The reason I remember this is that a man fitting the same description was convicted for stealing at Western Oregon and I think Willamette in Salem, and my cousin was the Mayor of Monmouth (where Western is) at the time. I have tried to find info but cannot, and my cousin has been visiting with some friendly folks in Iraq for a while and I cannot reach him ;o)

Lynie

scandi
06-27-2004, 02:10 PM
Hi Lynie,

I agree with everything you said Lynie LOL. The fact any 30 yr old still lives with his parents is odd. I think he must have done stock trading for an income, at least that is the only thing I've heard.

His personality ~ havn't read anything about his demeanor, if he is feminine or if he has ever had a girlfriend. We've read nothing about this so far, but if what I saw on KGW on the news is correct about computer images of him dressed in women's underwear, he might fit into the category as a kind of transvestite. I don't know much about this. He evidently stalked women to get to their underclothes, but the girl must have excited him to the point he kept track who the underwear came from - bizzare, huh? So maybe he did like women after all, just didn't attract any on his own because he was weird or feminine. Maybe someone here knows more about this kind of personality.

As for the parents noticing all the panties, it is hard to image the mother never saw this. Some even had panty liners attached! After living with him all of these years maybe his oddities were normal to her and she didn't notice anything too different. Maybe thought the daughter had the obsession with underwear ~ did she live at home too?

Now the daughter not willing to take a LDT is telling, don't you think? They say if one has a sociopathicic personality {think that is the one} they can pass a LDT easily. If the daughter is normal she wouldn't if she has knowledge of his perversion and if in fact she covered for him re: the stock trading.

On the news blip this morning a statement was made that they do have evidence against him in Brooke's case. But who knows what, as they didn't say. The daughter could easily be named as an accessory for helping in his alibi. And I still have this feeling he entered all of these college dorm rooms as a female imposter.

I don't remember anything like this from a few years ago. But I am sure if there is a connection we will hear about it soon. Gonna go see if there are any other news articles today.



xoxoxo Scandi

lynie
06-27-2004, 02:50 PM
Okay...Yuck. Panti liners still attached?

I will call one of my friends this evening...she and her husband live in the Summerlake neighborhood, and the kids and I have been over there at the park many times. That is the park they searched for evidence last week. Maybe she has some "over the back fence" gossip for us! She has been out of town for a week or so...

I'll let you all know! Lynie

Love_Mama
06-27-2004, 02:55 PM
As to my other question, do you remember about 3 or 4 years ago another gentleman stalking college campuses and stealing underwear? The reason I remember this is that a man fitting the same description was convicted for stealing at Western Oregon and I think Willamette in Salem, and my cousin was the Mayor of Monmouth (where Western is) at the time. I have tried to find info but cannot, and my cousin has been visiting with some friendly folks in Iraq for a while and I cannot reach him ;o)

Lynie
I don't this this is the case you're talking about lynie but last nite on Cold Case A&E I watched a show.........and here is a rundown on it from the Cold Case Files online website........I will copy.

A professor murdered on a posh estate.
A flight attendant killed in a hotel room.
And a modus operandi mistakenly dismissed.




Cold Hit was the name of the show.
Case #1: Cold Hit

In 1986, a woman professor and former provost at the University of Michigan-Flint is found murdered on the historic Mott Estate. (This was on Campus)

Flint detectives take up the case, and learn that Dr. Margarette Eby was bound, raped and slashed at the throat. The murder appears to be random, police have few suspects, and in the crime-ridden town of Flint in the mid-80’s, the case quickly falls to the bottom of a pile of murder cases.

Five years later and sixty miles away, a Northwest Airlines flight attendant named Nancy Ludwig checks in to an airport hotel and never checks out. Ludwig was bound, raped and slashed from ear to ear. Like the Eby murder, Ludwig had torture wounds on her body. But because of the time and distance separating the two cases, police discount a possible link between the murders.

In 2001, Flint Police and the Michigan State Police form a violent crime task force and reopen the Margarette Eby case. They take semen recovered from the crime scene, develop a DNA profile, and enter it into the national DNA database.
The database comes back with a "Cold Hit", and links the Eby case to the Ludwig case: both crimes were committed by the same unknown perpetrator. Watch Cold Hit and see how detectives track down their man—and find a shocking surprise in his attic.

The above was just a little infor for anyone wanting to see this show.....or may have known about the case.

Turn's out that they eventually found this guy.........who did it.....through one fingerprint that they had and DNA. Even though they wern't able to find him through DNA at the beginning....was because it was a new technique and you had to order it done by the FBI, which they later did. It took 4 month's to get it back. Once they got the DNA.......they then were able to match it from this guy....they did have a suspect...but had to get his DNA to match it....so they followed him around and he was at mall drinking coffee and he left his styroform cup on the table. That's how they got his DNA. When they went to his house (he had a wife and two children by the way) found in his attic, hundreds of pieces of women's underwear.
In both murder's the women were found completely naked with no sign of their clothing anywhere.......because he would take the clothing with him.

Obvouslyl what I'm trying to say is that a person who steal's women's underwear and also have computer nutty stuff...........is a guy all ready
to blow up! I am sure this guy is the one they're looking for. I don't think he had anyone working with him. That doesn't seem to be the norm for this kind of perp!

xxxxxxxxo
mama

Love_Mama
06-27-2004, 03:11 PM
I just googled something like.......men who steal underwear and look what I found! This is a blog.........and I can't figure out how to get the URL so I'll print this all out.
Title of this is THERE IS SOMETHING ROTTEN IN JAPAN.

This is so sick!
xxxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama

No, I am not talking about those psycho cartoons you can find all over the net. It's about so-called burusera shops. Yoshiro Mizuguchi, Editor in Chief of Monthly Women's Magazine "Fujin Koron", reported back in 1994:
~~~

"There is a certain sort of used clothing shop that has been booming in recent years. The shop is one room in an apartment. There are two display cases, one on each side of the room, facing each other. There are mountains of underwear in every color. You begin to notice the 'abnormality' of the place. This is not a department where beautiful lingerie is sold. These items are all stained and soiled. In other words, they are used. Uniforms from famous middle and high school girls' schools are also on display. They are also dingy. This is place that sells items that should have been thrown away or sent to the cleaners.

Shorts (bloomers) which are used in physical education class (known as Buruma in Japan), school uniforms, and sailor or middy clothes (known as sera) are in these stores. As a result these stores have come to be known as buru-sera shops.

The sellers are just common middle school and high school girls. They stop by on their way home, looking for a little pocket money. Some take out sundry items from their bags, while others take off their underwear on the spot. The clerks then check the amount of soiling and price them accordingly. Among other considerations are smell, and these items are ranked such as 'three day items,' 'one week items,' etc... An appropriate amount of residue of menstrual blood or excrement brings particularly high prices.

In the case of underwear 2000 yen ($20) is the general price. If there is a photo of the girl attached the price can more than double. The 'sailor' clothes are more expensive if they are from a school that is well known or from an 'uptown' girls school. There are some maniacs who will pay any price for a uniform from the Princess' home school.

The girls who come to sell are happy go lucky. "We just want money. This is an easy way to get it and it's better than working part time." There is a never ending flow of white collar workers in their twenties and thirties and college students coming in to buy these unusual items. The girls who come in to sell are not from poor families; on the contrary, they are from established households. It must be said that the monetary values of these "neo-yamatonadeshiko" (daughters of Japan) are severely warped. They have never had to endure anything and the carefree atmosphere has removed the boundaries of common sense. "Get money. Have fun. What's wrong with that?" is how it goes. This is the kind of value that is common to present day Japan.

The girls sell their bodies to get brand name items and have fun. "Matter" has overtaken "Soul." To state it plainly, this is bartering between bodies (matter) and brand name items (matter). There are such markets all over the place. They can sell their bodies as well as their underwear.

It goes without saying that the parents and adults who cannot say, "Cut out this foolishness!" are equally guilty. No one wants to think that selling underwear leads directly to prostitution. But the middle school girls in prostitution say, "I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm keeping it a secret from my parents, but I'm not harming anyone."

According to analysis by psychiatrists, the men who steal or buy or wear women's underwear view the underwear as a substitute for female genitals. This points to a lack of erotic communication between the sexes. There is also a great problem in the sudden increase in adults who buy this underwear and the sexual services of young girls.

Sexual perversion is related to the form of society. What must be pointed out is that there is something fundamentally wrong with this nation when 'buru-sera' shops flourish and 'neo-yamatondeshiko' are allowed to sell themselves without comment from their parents or older. It is a bartering session, one without a soul."
~~~

Recently Tyler Cowen linked to an article (rated PG-13) about Japan's recent ban on the sale of soiled knickers by underage girls.

Glen Withman (Agoraphilia, currently guest-blogging at the Volokh Conspiracy) writes:

Banning a practice you find offensive rarely, if ever, means that the practice will disappear. On the contrary, the outcome is typically a more dangerous manifestation of the same practice. How did the law of unintended consequences play out in this case? Read on:
Underage sellers aren't punished under the ordinance, so the girls are pretty composed about the whole thing," says Gomez Yamada, a writer specializing on teen girl topics. "The ordinance may have shut down the burusera stores, but it has only sparked a thriving trade in schoolgirls using mobile phone sites to conduct direct sales to customers without needing a middleman. They'll arrange to meet in some dark spot like a karaoke box or beside a building, then remove and hand over their panties on the spot in exchange for payment. What's more, they're charging 5,000 to 10,000 yen a pair, about five times what they would have got from a burusera shop. Some girls are even happy the ordinance has come into effect because it's done away with the burusera shops that were eating into their profits.
In other words, the market has gone underground. Girls used to sell their (under)wares to dealers with established businesses, whose primary interest was in making money. They never even had to meet the adult male buyers. But now, under the wise new policy, young girls are arranging clandestine meetings in dark venues with men who are turned on by girls' underpants. Does anyone else see a disaster in the making?


I can see the disaster and I applaud the government's move (Mahalanobis versus Econoblogosphere ;-D). Sellers of soiled underwear should be treated the same way as smokers who want to buy a pack of cigarettes at a gas station in the United States (passport check, iris scan, ...). Men who are turned on by girls' underpants and meet in dark venues with underage girls should be treated and chased like any other criminal.

Mahalanobis - am Samstag, 26. Juni 2004, 00:21 - Rubrik: sociology
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scandi
06-27-2004, 06:39 PM
Wow Love_Mama,

Positively sicko! But thanks for that as it does give some understanding to the fettish. Maybe this is an ongoing type of business in Korea as well, as you wouldn't think it wouls be primarily a Japanese enterprise. I've never heard of sales like this happening in America.

Wonder if the crime of rape is on the rise in Japan, or are the girls meeting men and removing their panties for sale on the spot and giving them something else as well? Maybe these guys only want the panty!


Scandi

Love_Mama
06-27-2004, 06:56 PM
Wow Love_Mama,

Positively sicko! But thanks for that as it does give some understanding to the fettish. Maybe this is an ongoing type of business in Korea as well, as you wouldn't think it wouls be primarily a Japanese enterprise. I've never heard of sales like this happening in America.

Wonder if the crime of rape is on the rise in Japan, or are the girls meeting men and removing their panties for sale on the spot and giving them something else as well? Maybe these guys only want the panty!
Scandi

Sandi.......I was thinking that possibly this is an Asian thing but really don't know for sure. Korea today is a very Metropolitan area.........lot's of industry and much more sophiscated than most people would think. Probably this suspect is pretty sophiscated himself, as he's trading stock's on the internet and you know that he's doing a lot of other things on the internet!

I tend to think they have the right suspect here.............what he may have done with her I don't know.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooo
mama

scandi
06-27-2004, 07:13 PM
Yes Mama,

Now we know why these detectives from Corvallis have had him as a person of interest from the beginning. He has now been arrested 3 times since then, I believe and released twice. Gotta be something more than a pile of dryer lint to link him to the crime, don't you think? Why search that park? Had to have been a good reason, and naturally one they have not put out to the public yet!

The panty thing could be a 'fettish' turned appropriate in Japan, and could be oriental. But I hate to say that as I don't want to be prejudicial.



:blowkiss: Scandi

Anngelique
06-27-2004, 10:15 PM
Yes Mama,

Now we know why these detectives from Corvallis have had him as a person of interest from the beginning. He has now been arrested 3 times since then, I believe and released twice. Gotta be something more than a pile of dryer lint to link him to the crime, don't you think? Why search that park? Had to have been a good reason, and naturally one they have not put out to the public yet!

The panty thing could be a 'fettish' turned appropriate in Japan, and could be oriental. But I hate to say that as I don't want to be prejudicial.



:blowkiss: Scandi

Yeah, I do think there is more. I heard on the news yesterday they were testing some blood on his garage floor. They have some other body fluids according to the last news link I pasted on the other page. Here is the snip from that....In more evidence laid out against Kim on Friday, investigators in Benton County say he had a beginner's guide to lock picking and that they had taken hair and bodily fluid samples from his car and home, as well as a possible blood sample.

I wonder how long it will be before they can rule in or rule out these came from Brooke?

annemc2
06-27-2004, 10:41 PM
hi all! about this used underwear fetish thing......i'm pretty sure that it's not just an Asian phenomenon. i've heard rumors for years about being able to sell your used underwear (women's of course!) over the internet for a tidy profit. it wasn't too long ago that i was in college, the advent of the internet had just begun, and boys were into kinky stuff. i'll have to admit that i thankfully didn't actually know anybody that was into this underwear thing, but heard it joked about alot. i'd be a good sleuther and google it for you guys, but don't have the heart right now. (and i secretly suspect that you don't *really* want to know a whole lot more about the subject!!)

lynie
06-27-2004, 11:15 PM
Now that I am truely grossed out!! I too do not think this is a nationality thing....just a really weird, wacko, demented, tacky, gross thing that shows
I don't know what and I don't really want to know! :snooty:

I am off to do laundry because I really, really have to now! :blushing:

scandi
06-28-2004, 12:49 AM
Hi,

I think they'll know on the forensics of what they took within a couple of weeks ~ when we hear about it is when they want us to! LOL And I think they'll push the tests because if they match up they're going to maybe try to cut a deal to locate her body.

The absolute scum. To think of this whole scenario is just mind boggeling.

Maybe we'll hear more tomorrow. Meanwhile lots of other charges are piling up as is bail. Don't think this guy will see daylingt for a long time, except moving from courthouse to courthouse!

See you all tomorrow night.


:blowkiss: Scandi

Love_Mama
06-28-2004, 09:54 AM
I just did a lot of googling.........and yes, women's underwear.......stealing it, buying it, wearing it, is all OVER the world.........well, maybe not all over the world but here is a comment I just got, don't ask me to give you the URL.........cause I figure out out to get it............
xxxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama The first paragraph is the one I want you to see.

Pornographic magazines in the West have long contained advertisements for "used" women's underwear. However, this fetish has been carried to extremes in Japan

Man Accused Of Stealing Women's Underwear
Police: 35-Year-Old Stole From Homes Of At Least 8 People

POSTED: 8:46 a.m. EST June 7, 2004
UPDATED: 10:08 p.m. EST June 7, 2004

LEBANON, Ind. -- Investigators say they've charged the man responsible for stealing panties and bras from women's homes for the past two years.

If Convicted, Man Could Face 160-Year Sentence

Greg A. Wright, 35, of Jamestown, was being held Sunday in the Boone County Jail. He has been charged with eight counts each of theft and burglary, all felonies, said Amy Clouse, Boone County Sheriff's Department communications officer. .............

Anngelique
06-28-2004, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the interesting if unsettling information LoveMama...

Here is something new about the Brooke case...

June 27, 2004

Brooke's Story Is On 'America's Most Wanted'

Investigators in the Brooke Wilberger case are hoping a national television show will help bring the 19-year-old home.
The Brigham Young University student has been missing for more than a month now after disappearing from a Corvallis apartment complex parking lot.

Since then, investigators have been working hard following up on leads and trying to figure out what happened to Brooke, but have come up empty-handed.

On Saturday night, Fox Television's 'America's Most Wanted' featured Brooke's story on their show.

Cammy Wilberger, Brooke's mom, was on the show and talked about her daughter's disappearance.

"They tell you to be careful of the way you dress so you don't suggest, but she had on a sweatshirt and jeans, her hair was pulled back in a ponytail, and she was working when it happened," she said.

KATU News checked with Corvallis police to see if they received any more tips since the show aired.

They say they did receive a few calls, but the tips did not pan out.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68676

scandi
06-28-2004, 10:40 PM
Thanks Anngelique,

Let's hope the show gets a great tip ~ One 'right-on' tip is all whe need, right?




Hot today, huh? :blowkiss:
Scandi

Anngelique
06-29-2004, 01:54 AM
Thanks Anngelique,

Let's hope the show gets a great tip ~ One 'right-on' tip is all whe need, right?




Hot today, huh? :blowkiss:
Scandi

YW Scandi,

Yes, one good tip would be a godsend. However, I fear Kim is involved and they will get their information through him. But if this is true it means beautiful Brooke is home with her Heavenly Father.

This makes me very sad. :(

Thanks for saying I am "hot" today Scandi... I am feeling pretty hot. So nice of you to notice. LOL

Bobbisangel
06-29-2004, 03:44 AM
How in the world does a young lady just disappear in the middle of the day without anyone seeing something? It just seems that someone just swooped down and grabbed Brooke in a matter of seconds. No one heard a scream or anything. Oh how I hope she is still alive. I don't see how her parents can stand it. I think I would lose my mind because my imagination would just run wild. Elizabeth Smart was a miracle. I hope that we get another one.

It seems like in the last few months or year so many college age girls have come up missing. Seems like it has been one right after the other. I will never forget Dru. How we hoped. I can't stand to even look at her killer. And to think he is the last person Dru saw. That would just kill me if she were my daughter. I couldln't stand it. I just hope that Brooke is still alive but the longer she is gone the less chance there is that they will find her alive. If I were her parents I wouldn't give up until they find her.

That is great that her parents have the Smarts to talk to. They all have the same beliefs and Smarts can be a wonderful support. I hope the outcome is the same for Brooke's parents.

Love_Mama
06-29-2004, 09:46 AM
I think you could probably grab someone, put them in your car and it would take only one minute or less.

I keep telling my grandchildren to alway's be aware of what is going on around them.
If you're in a busy place, look around............be aware of everything. Jeeze.......makes' you want to move to the desert!

I pray for this girl!

xxxxxxxoo
mama

RCOOKE
06-29-2004, 10:13 AM
It seems like in the last few months or year so many college age girls have come up missing. Seems like it has been one right after the other. I will never forget Dru. How we hoped. I can't stand to even look at her killer. And to think he is the last person Dru saw. That would just kill me if she were my daughter. I couldln't stand it. I just hope that Brooke is still alive but the longer she is gone the less chance there is that they will find her alive. If I were her parents I wouldn't give up until they find her.

College ages girls have been abducted for years. It wasn't until Dru's case that the national media paid any attention to a missing person over the age of 17. Chandra Levy and Laci Peterson were about the only exceptions to I can like of.

There are over 42,000 missing adults in the USA today. 20,000 of them are female.

scandi
06-29-2004, 10:25 AM
How Funny Anngelique! :D

This heat is so hard to live with, and I think it probably goes up and down the Willamette Valley thru Salemand even down to the Eugene area. Then it starts to get really hot ~can't imagine living down by Roseburg where you broil in the summertime! :rolleyes: Oh, but I also think everyone is 'hot' that's a WebSleuther, right?

Bobbi and Mama, it is amazing how fast someone can disappear. We really almost saw this with the gal in Florida that was taken this last year, remember, at the gas station. I think the press has done a pretty good job of warning females to kick and scream and fight, but it is something that needs constant reminding. Girls get older every day, and it goes for boys too. There are pervs everywhere.

Once I was sitting waiting for a bus downtown Portland at the bus mall. This bus went slowly past me and I noticed this man staring at me with this lecherous smile on his face. It was horrifying as he had this intense evil countenance about him and his eyes were like two piercing daggers shooting straight at me. I knew in the flash of an eye he had done some terrible things in his life and said a little prayer for anyone who might become vulnerable around him.

Have a great day guys! I didn't even get to read everything last night. When I think of all the info that came out in Laci's case yesterday it is quite a job to assimilate everything now! :hand:



:blowkiss: Scandi

annemc2
06-29-2004, 07:24 PM
hi guys! yes, we websleuthers are HOT (sizzle, sizzle)! hee hee - especially today in Corvallis! i didn't see anybody post yet something i saw on the news yesterday - they first mentioned that Kim was on a $14 MILLION bond. i guess that's been out for awhile now but that is just a staggering amount! the other thing was that CPD has been checking out storage facilities between Corvallis & Tigard. The news people did some investigating and weren't able to come up with anyone that recognized Kim's photo. i didn't realize how often storage facilities are used for nefarious reasons - i guess just about anything can be.

scandi
06-30-2004, 12:11 AM
Oh My Gawd, You just won't believe what I heard on Northwest news from Seattle, channel 49 on cable TV in Portland.

Now I didn't know they were going to say this or I would have transcribed it down word for word. So this is just the jist of it OK.

LE has video of Mr Kim dressed in womens clothing and taped in a dorm room of a women's dormitory. They didn't say which school. That isn't all. They said he was very busy, in essence, during the filming of himself {evidently he set up the camera to film himself as they described it}, putting on {undies I guess}, playing with himself, using his senses of smell and taste! Gosh, that is all I can remember he said, I was in such a state of shock to read it! There was one more thing though - can't remember it.

This is one real sick puppy isn'e he. I am so glad he is off the street! They still don't have enough to charge him with her kidnapping.



Scandi PS: I'm not even taking the time to proof this so you get it right away! Phew! Just corrected it. LOL ;)

englishleigh
06-30-2004, 12:14 AM
Oh My Gawd, You just won't believe what I heard onNorthwest news from Seattle, channel 49 on cable TV in Portland.

Now I didn't know they were going to say this or I would have transcribed it down word for word. So this is just the jist of it OK.

LE has video of Mr Kim dressed in womens clothing and taped in a dorm room of a women's dormitory. They didn't say which school. That isn't all. They said he was very busy, in essence, during the filming of himself, putting on {undies I guess}, playing with himself, using his senses of smell and taste! Gosh, that is all I can remewmber he said, I was in such a state of shock to read it! There was one more thing though - can't remember it.

This is one real sick puppy isn'e he. I am so glad he is off the street! They still don't have enough tio charge him with her kidnapping.



Scandi PS: I'm not even taking the time to proof this so you get it right away!

What a freaking sicko. :sick: :sick: :sick: :loser:

Love_Mama
06-30-2004, 12:20 PM
Oh My Gawd, You just won't believe what I heard on Northwest news from Seattle, channel 49 on cable TV in Portland.

Now I didn't know they were going to say this or I would have transcribed it down word for word. So this is just the jist of it OK.

LE has video of Mr Kim dressed in womens clothing and taped in a dorm room of a women's dormitory. They didn't say which school. That isn't all. They said he was very busy, in essence, during the filming of himself {evidently he set up the camera to film himself as they described it}, putting on {undies I guess}, playing with himself, using his senses of smell and taste! Gosh, that is all I can remember he said, I was in such a state of shock to read it! There was one more thing though - can't remember it.

This is one real sick puppy isn'e he. I am so glad he is off the street! They still don't have enough to charge him with her kidnapping.

Scandi PS: I'm not even taking the time to proof this so you get it right away! Phew! Just corrected it. LOL ;)

Scandi. Corvallis police Capt. Robert Deutsch said Wilberger's purse, keys and other personal items had been left in her sister's Corvallis apartment and the missing woman's car was still in the parking lot. A piece of clothing belonging to Wilberger was found in the complex's parking lot, he said.

Wilberger, who was working at the apartment during her summer vacation, was cleaning the bulb covers of the tall lamps that line the complex's parking lot Monday morning when her sister left for a few minutes, Deutsch said.

When the sister returned, Wilberger was nowhere to be found. Along with her purse and keys, Wilberger left her flip-flops behind, Noble said.


Do you think that she, Brooke may have been on a ladder......while she was cleaning the bulbs.....this report say's cleaning bulb covers of tall lamps!
I don't quite know how she could do this without being on a ladder.........also doesn't state what the piece of clothing belonging to her was that they found in the lot.! This Kim guy could have been driving around or just parked in the lot waiting............saw her cleaning the bulb covers and ask's her is he could help...........then she come's down off the ladder and he grabs her.........No one around, nobody saw anything.
What are your thoughts?
xxxxxxxxxooooooooo
mama

scandi
06-30-2004, 10:52 PM
Hi Mama,

Yes, it certainly would make sense, wouldn't it. Wouldn't take but a flash of time to grab her, and with his car right there he could throw her right in, lock the door and drive away!

He probably would have to subdue her somehow so she wouldn't start screaming. What do you think, from behind, reaching around and clamping his hand over her mouth?


By the way, last night I watched every news channel on the 11 'clock news. The same man who had said the things about Kim in my above post still gave a special report on most of the programs. He was a psychologist of some sort that deals with sexual pervs like Kim. He said Kim could be the kind that is not violent, or the opposite. They need to study him to see what his personality disorder really is. But the interesting thing is it was only the first report I heard that included the particulars that were specific in nature about what he was doing in the video. On every other report these things were not mentioned. Amazing! Someone stopped him right in the quick after it was seen on that Seattle station. Glad I saw it when I did.




xoxoxoxo Scandi

annemc2
07-01-2004, 01:08 AM
thanks for the update Scandi! i hadn't heard anything about that - you have a special knack for catching these news reports before they decide to pull them!! all i can say is eeewww, eewwww, sick!!

scandi
07-01-2004, 01:40 AM
Hi Anne,

I couldn't believe the guy was so graphic, especially down to 'taste and smell'! It was a bit too much for the general public, but again like the article I read on the guy who walked into the bar and told the bartender he sure looked like the guy, these are probably slips by the media. When they hear something I wonder if they need to get approval for publishing by the agency in charge of an ongoing investigation?

I'll see if there are any new links tonight, even tho I know you would have picked up on them.


xoxox
Scandi

Scorpion
07-01-2004, 03:01 AM
Hi all! I'm new here and found this site when I was reading about Brooke elsewhere.

I don't know the area at all, but I've been looking at detailed topographical maps and was interestd to see that the OSU Experimental Farm is just over the river from Corvallis. The area contains several lakes, gravel pits with some sort of workings (could these be mines?), a water tank and even a well. And all in easy striking distance of Highway 34. I doubt you need a 4 wheel drive to get to some of them. Does anybody know whether the farm area's easily accessible? If Kim is the abductor, he seems to have researched the OSU so it's possible he knows all about this place.

Alternatively, slightly north there are more interesting features. Where the Southern Pacific railroad meets Interstate 20 around Granger, there are four apparently easily accessible gravel pits with workings plus two sand and gravel pits which may not be so easy to get to.

On the other hand, if it is Kim and he wanted to keep Brooke close at hand, I can see three gravel pits in the Durham area, not far away from Tigard High School.

Does anybody know if any of these area have been searched? I haven't kept up with exactly where the searches have been.


i didn't realize how often storage facilities are used for nefarious reasons - i guess just about anything can be.

This may be following a case in the UK, where a murderer stored his victim's body and visited it often (for "unspeakable" purposes according to the press) before disposing of the remains.

Oh well - boringly got to go to work now. Much rather be here!

Scorpion

dannyodie
07-01-2004, 07:44 AM
this farm area, is that a area that is for college training on agriculture and so forth. if it has not been searched then it should be, the perp could very well be that kim fellow, or any creep that goes to college there would know of the farm, and could even be enrolled in a course at the farm and would know it well, if it is isolated or has isolated locations that would be a prime area of interest. especially the wells. how far from where brooke went missing is the location of the farm? if the perp assulted her, and then killed her, maybe that would be a place for him to dump the body.

IndigoFalls
07-01-2004, 12:31 PM
I have heard weeks ago that all the Corvallis Police had to go on was a pair of flip-flop sandals and a bucket of water. It occured to me that since the work that Brooke was doing was toward the back of the apt. complex, that probably the laundry room was also closer to the back than the front. If I needed to get a bucket of water, I would most likely go to the deep sink in the laundry room (assuming the laundry room has a deep sink) or I might look for a hose bib and hose. Sometimes hose bibs are too low to the ground, and the bucket can't fit under it to be filled. At any rate, the bucket of water didn't drop out of the sky. She got it somewhere, and she may have gone to refill it, and the inside of outdoor lamps can be pretty grungy.
Meantime, if Kim, and I stress if, was in the laundry room looking for panties and lint, he may have offered to help her carry the bucket or something like that. Knowing what we now know about him, he is grotesque and disgusting, but to my mind, if we didn't know that stuff, he looks like a pretty decent guy, and at 10:30 in the morning, somebody that for all Brooke knew, lived in the apt complex offering to help her with something, or just saying good morning, may not have been very suspicious at all for Brooke. Remember, she didn't live in that complex all the time. She just stayed with her sister and brother-in-law who managed it. She probably would not have known who belonged there and who didn't. Also, Kim may have walked over. There is another complex nearby, in fact probably more than one. There is Reser stadium with big parking lots. There is a baseball field with parking in back of it that lines up with the apt. complex, and there is a new Hotel, whose parking also lines with a fence. I may go browse around and see if there is a gate or anything through the fence from those places to the apt. complex.

Also, I can't remember the name of the girl that Kim was interested in that supposedly looks a little like Brooke. Do you suppose she lives or lived at Oak Park and Kim was looking for her when he found Brooke? Or did she live in a dorm? The police have been very quiet about her. She probably feels absolutely awful and also scared.

Isn't there something people can put on a handkerchief and hold it over someone's mouth and render them pretty helpless? That would be easy to conceal under a little pile of laundry.

Even if Kim did drive right into the complex, it is pretty darn quiet in daytime. I actually drove in the driveway one day, and saw only one person about to get in a vehicle.

As far as places to hide Brooke, there are a jillion creeks and rivers, and quarries, and storage units, and some abandoned houses, deep woods, country roads galore. It would not be hard to drive a few minutes in any direction and be pretty remote. Kim seems pretty nervy, perhaps he didn't even try very hard to hide her. Maybe the chance of getting caught turned him on.

Most of the time I have been thinking that Kim actually went in a girls apt. or room and stole her panties. It seems that most of the time, anyway, that he just used a laundry room. A lot less chance of getting caught.

Where is newsperson?? :0)

IndigoFalls
07-01-2004, 12:48 PM
:blushing: Many years ago, I was quite naive and wanted everybody to like me. I had a garage sale in Tulsa, OK, and a young man called about my sale. I was knocking myself out trying to be nice to him and oh so helpful. He wanted to know if I had any used underwear, like nightgowns or panties? I thought it was odd, but I figured maybe he couldn't afford new. Anyway I said, "No, most people don't sell used underwear at a garage sale." I'm not cracking a smile or anything, because I am taking him dead seriously. He said, "Why do suppose that is?" I am embarassed now to admit that I still was being helpful to this guy. "I said well, they're personal and they get stained and worn when they are used, and most people wouldn't want them used." He said, "Well what do you do with yours when it is stained?" I said I throw it away. He said well, do you know where I could get some? I said, well, you might try Goodwill. Some people donate things that are like new there. He said thanks. If he was trying to get a rise out of me, it didn't work, because I was so dense that I probably wasn't much fun for him. I told some friends about the strange call I got and they laughed at me and said, "You got a PRANK call, and didn't even realize it." You should have hung up. Anyway, knowing what I know now, what if that creep had come over to my garage sale and harmed me or my kids in some way? As an aside, and certainly if Kim is guilty, it doesn't apply, but I have heard that usually transvestites and panty fetishists are not necessarily into harming anyone at all. Anybody know the latest psychological opinions on that? Thanks everyone for the interesting posts.

amandab
07-01-2004, 12:59 PM
Isn't there something people can put on a handkerchief and hold it over someone's mouth and render them pretty helpless? That would be easy to conceal under a little pile of laundry.



Are you thinking of chloroform?

IndigoFalls
07-01-2004, 02:56 PM
Are you thinking of chloroform? Yes, exactly. I would say it was on the tip of my tongue, but that might be a groaner of a pun. Is chloroform readily available at a pharmacy, or at someplace that sells supplies for chemistry students? What did Kim study in school, or did he go to college?

Scorpion
07-01-2004, 04:28 PM
how far from where brooke went missing is the location of the farm?
Not far at all, by the look of it - particularly to anybody with a car. Here's the link to the maps I used:

http://topozone.com/

If you blow the map up to its largest at 1:50,000, you'll see the farm is literally the other side of the Willamette. Go east one block and you should see the well right at the top of the map, although there's no indication of whether it's capped or not. I haven't got round to looking at the satellite images so have no idea what they show. The only other well I've found so far is at Government Camp, but that's probably too far away and obviously I've not covered every single inch of the area. I have no information about this farm - what it's used for, whether it's restricted access etc etc, but hopefully somebody here will know.

Scorpion
07-01-2004, 04:34 PM
As far as places to hide Brooke, there are a jillion creeks and rivers, and quarries, and storage units, and some abandoned houses, deep woods, country roads galore. It would not be hard to drive a few minutes in any direction and be pretty remote.

True, but a lot of the creek and rivers don't appear to be very easily accessible by car and that is what I was specifically looking for and assuming there was some pressure of time on the abductor. I don't believe it's that easy to carry a body very far or coerce a panicking and unco-operative victim over long distances. I imagine that whoever did this had some sort of plan and would have scouted out possible locations which might be of use to them.

Anngelique
07-02-2004, 10:16 AM
July 2, 2004
Court Documents Show Kim Had An Arsenal

PORTLAND, ORE. - As Sung Koo Kim continues to make courtroom appearances in several different counties, new details are emerging about what investigators found in his home - this time a sizeable gun collection.
Kim was in a Washington County courtroom on Thursday to face some of the most serious charges against him to date - 16 counts of downloading and possessing child pornography.

"It doesn’t look like these are images he created, it looks like these are images he acquired. How he acquired those - we don’t know," said Washington County Deputy District Attorney Jeff Lesowski.

In addition, court documents detail the kinds of weapons investigators say Kim had in his home - assault rifles, handguns, thousands of rounds of ammunition, a bulletproof vest and a gas mask.

Kim has already been indicted for stealing thousands of pairs of women's underwear from several colleges in the Northwest.

On Thursday, prosecutors brought forth evidence of child pornography seized from Kim's computer along with pictures and a videotape of Kim wearing women's underwear.

"Believe it or not, some of those images, as disturbing as they might be, it is not illegal to possess them if it as adult consenting to the act," Lesowski said.

Even so, Washington County prosecutors said Kim's indictment is one more reason why he is dangerous and his bail should be increased.

"He already has posted $150,000 in cash. How much more money there is, we don't know," said Lesowski.

Prosecutors strongly believe he is a threat to society because of the seizure of weaponry at his home on May 13, and the photography of mutilated women. His bail amount has been increased to $1 million.

Corvallis police have also said Kim is not cooperating with their investigation into the Brooke Wilberger case. Officials say Kim will only speak with his family.

KATU was told that Kim has been on the list of suspects in Brooke's disappearance right from the beginning, yet there has not been enough evidence to tie him to her case.

"Mr. Kim has by far been on the list the longest," said Captain Jon Sassaman. "So we know he's been to the apartment complex yes, but that doesn't mean he did it."

It has nearly been a month and a half since Brooke disappeared from her sister's apartment.

Corvallis police continue to search for clues, which include searching abandoned buildings and storage units between Tigard and Corvallis. So far, 40 persons of interest have been ruled out.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=68829

englishleigh
07-02-2004, 10:24 AM
If he's not cooperating with police in Brooke's case, then that is a HUGE red flag!! An innocent person, no matter how perverted in other ways, would want to cooperate and get themselves ruled out, IMO.

amandab
07-02-2004, 10:31 AM
This guy just gets creepier and creepier, scarier and scarier.

Even if he isn't responsible for Brooke's disappearance (though I'm seriously thinking he is), I'm glad he's in custody and off the streets.

scandi
07-02-2004, 10:40 AM
Morning guys,

Off to work, but wanted to thank you for the update. I havn't seen many commercials lately about Brooke on TV. That is not good.

So when the psychologist was talking about whether he is a loner in his perversive ways sexually or possibly violent, it looks like this answer might be viiolent. Not cooperating, shots of mutilated women in his posession and a small arsenal in his home would lead one to believe he looks very dangerous.

I guess his family follows Confuscious saying - 'See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' - as he is their son. They must have ignored any signs out of respect for him as their son. Amazing!

I still feel two things strongly. That his sister knows what he is all about and has covered for him and that he easily accessed all of these dormitories dressed like a woman.


See you tonight!
xoxoxo Scandi

dannyodie
07-02-2004, 12:05 PM
as most of us remember, when the perp was apprehended in dru's case,the perp in that case also did not cooperate with police. anyone that has nothing to do with a crime I feel would certainly want to be cleared. I feel the more they look into this mans past the more they will find. this man is not only a threat to woman, but could be one that would cause great harm to a child. who knows.,maybe he has already kidnapped and killed a child., maybe some of the missing kids cases in a 100 mile radius of his home can be linked to him? maybe thats why he is affraid of cooperating with police. I feel that this person is a good suspect and not just the ole " person of interest " has any of the farm land,wells,ponds,and ditchs of the university property been searched that any one is aware of ? what kind of area does he live in? wonder if his father is anything? the below is just jmho,and not intended to offend anyone

scandi
07-02-2004, 10:37 PM
Hi Danny,

That post couldn't offend anyone! LOL I am now calling NEWSPERSON :D For a little bit of inside track!




Scandi

IndigoFalls
07-03-2004, 12:45 AM
I read somewhere that Kim's full name is Dink Sung Koo Kim. Can anybody verify that or not? Also, does anyone know where Kim gets all his money for so many weapons and so much porno, etc. Do you suppose his father is in the porno business himself, and that is why he doesn't care to say anything but that he believes his son is innocent?

IndigoFalls
07-03-2004, 12:51 AM
Do any of you know what the description of Kim's car is, and what the license plate is? Why are the police so secretive about it, about why the park was searched half mile from Kim's home?

lynie
07-03-2004, 01:51 AM
Hi Indigo and all...

About the neighborhood park, one of my dearest friends lives in that neighborhood and I do intend to call her soon!! I have been really sick the past 10 days and haven't done much except read and cough ;o(

I did hear that they were looking for any kind of personal evidence that could be tied to the case, but did not find any. I will let all know if my friend can give us any insight!

About Dad...don't know what he does? Is mom a stay at home? In this area we have many that develop software from their home, but with all of Mr. Kim's activities it would seem hard to hide too much if the parents were home often.....

scandi
07-03-2004, 01:52 AM
Hi Indigo,

I don't know how to research these things on the net. I don't think they are there, unless in a news article which I sincerely doubt.

They had some reason to search that park! I could postulate a theory. Either it is within blocks of his home, or they had a tip that someone heard or saw something there that is a telling sign and worthy of a man-out search!




Scandi

annemc2
07-03-2004, 04:00 PM
here's today's article from the Corvallis Gazette Times re. Brooke:

http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2004/07/03/news/community/satloc01.txt

there's some freaky stuff in here that i hadn't heard before, like

Police also found a file on Kim's computer called "osu.doc." The file is a list of single words and short phrases describing acts of rape, torture and genital mutilation of a woman, and a list of six items: "hood, glasses mirrored (sic), video camera, digital camera, six nylon and bring panties and bra to put on her."

((shudder))

Love_Mama
07-03-2004, 05:08 PM
From today's paper........The NewsRegister in McMinnville, Oregon
xxxxxxxxxxxxooo
mama

http://www.newsregister.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=181845
16 counts of child porn laid to Kim

Published: July 3, 2004

By KATIE WILLSON
Of the News-Register


Sung Koo Kim, suspect in the Brook Wilberger disappearance and alleged serial panty thief, has been charged in his home county with downloading child pornography onto his home computer.

Downloading of images allegedly occurred from September 2001 through the morning of May 13, when Newberg police broke the case by arresting him in connection with panty thefts from George Fox University.

The Tigard resident was charged Thursday in Washington County with 16 counts of encouraging child sexual abuse, a Class B felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Echoing arguments made by prosecutors in the three other Oregon counties - Yamhill, Benton and Multnomah - where Kim has been charged, Washington County prosecutor Jeff Lesowski called the suspect an "extreme public safety risk." Lesowski asked the judge to set bail of "at least $1 million," and his plea was granted.

Kim is now being held on bail of $4 million in Yamhill County and $10 million in Multnomah County in addition to $1 million in Washington and a lesser amount in Benton. His family posted the required 10 percent back when his bail totaled $1.53 million, but has remained behind bars in Multnomah County since it was raised into the millions in two counties.

A search of Kim's home, which the unemployed 30-year-old shares with his parents and sister, turned up 3,400 pairs of panties and bras, an extensive cache of guns and ammunition, 4,000 sex and torture videos and 40,000 computer images of women being tortured, raped, mutilated and murdered.

Lesowski said a grand jury is also hearing evidence on 11 alleged panty theft cases from Pacific University in Forest Grove. As in other counties, he said the work of building a case has been slowed because students scattered when school let out in June.

That would make Washington the fourth county to accuse Kim of campus panty thefts. It could also add yet more to Kim's burgeoning bail total.

Action is also scheduled next week on the bail front. Benton County District Attorney Scott Heiser plans to ask that Kim be held without bail, which is usually reserved for people charged with murder, aggravated murder or treason.

Meanwhile, Kim's privately retained lawyer, Janet Hoffman, plans to seek bail reductions in Yamhill and Multnomah counties. A hearing on the issue has been scheduled for July 23 in Yamhill County.

The South Korean native, who allegedly researched nations beyond U.S. extradition reach while he was out on bail, has also been identified as a suspect in the May 24 disappearance of Wilberger. She was last seen working outside an apartment complex adjacent to Oregon State University in Corvallis.

Kim had allegedly been stalking a woman at the same complex. He has denied involvement.

scandi
07-04-2004, 01:11 AM
Thanks Mama,

Here's this:

http://www.democratherald.com/articles/2004/07/03/news/local/news03.txt


This was some new info:
"Police say that Kim allegedly began stealing women's underwear from dorm rooms at OSU in April and May, about the same time frame as records taken from his computer indicate Kim was looking at Foree's page on the OSU athletic department Web site, which lists personal information and her address".



Scandi

Scorpion
07-04-2004, 01:22 PM
OK - just a few more thoughts I've had on this, centred around the OSU, in case they're of any relevance.

Firstly, I see from online records that the first sewers were installed in 1890. This would be contemporaneous with work done in Victorian England which I believe was pioneering and I understand that they were so well-constructed that they're still in use in London. However, a document detailing repair works to the OSU buildings states that the current sewers were built in the 1920s. Does this mean there are areas of large, Victorian-era, sturdy sewerage tunnels in the vicinity of the OSU (possibly running under Corvallis proper, as there were plenty of houses built there around that time) that are no longer in use? If so, are they at all accessible?

Secondly, following up the theme of repairs, I choose a building at random from the interactive campus map (thanks, guys, for so helpfully providing a detailed map of where the women's dorms are situated). It's called College Inn and it appears to have been closed since 2002 for renovation. It occurred to me to wonder if there are other disused buildings on the site and whether they've all been searched. Hopefully they have.

Finally, an image I found shows construction of a large tunnel for heating purposes. Is that still in use and is it accessible?

BADFlSH
07-04-2004, 01:44 PM
Scorpion,
I graduated from OSU last summer so I can give you a little information on the tunnels. I have never seen them but I have heard from several people that once you get in the tunnels you can get pretty much anywhere on campus. I dont know about building access from the tunnels but I do know that there are at least a couple than you can gain access to from the tunnels (from what I heard) one of which is wilson dorm. I didn't, however, hear anything that would lead me to believe any of the tunnels went off campus. Hope that helps.

Scorpion
07-04-2004, 02:57 PM
Badfish

Thanks for that information. Good to be able to speak to someone who knows the area. Did you get the impression that the tunnels were in regular use or that only a few people used them from time to time. And is it the sort of place that would be searched if someone disappeared?

Also, I noticed a quarry marked on the OSU land to the southwest of the main campus. Would you have any idea whether this is in use or abandoned? And also whether it would have been deemed a worthwhile place to be searched.

Sorry about all the questions, but I have so little information myself.

Edited to add: I finally found the link to the photos of the tunnels, which is here:

http://digitalcollections.library.oregonstate.edu/cgi-bin/queryresults.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOFIELD1=subjec&CISOBOX1=HVAC%20systems&CISOOP=adv&CISORESTMP=&CISOVIEWTMP=&CISOGRID=thumbnail,A,1;title,A,1;subjec,A,0;descri ,200,0;0,A,0;10&CISOBIB=title,A,1,N;subjec,A,0,N;descri,K,0,N;0,A, 0,N;0,A,0,N;10&CISOTHUMB=4,3&CISOTITLE=10&CISOMODE=grid

BADFlSH
07-04-2004, 04:49 PM
I dont think they are used heavily but I got the impression that if you were down there, there was some risk of getting caught. It seems like they were checked out fairly regularly. I also saw university employees using the lifts that are built into the sidewalk (like the ones you see in many cities) to go down their from time to time so I dont think it is a place where something could remain hidden for more than a couple days if even that long.

As far as the quary I am not familiar with it but I am fairly confidant that it would have been searched. That isnt the same pit where one of the teams found some disturbed ground and a strange oder way back twards the begining of the search is it? I was down there as a volunteer for several days when they did all of the grid searching. I believe we covered basicly everything within a 3 mile radius. Most people allowed us to search any private property that fell in that area but the police took care of any remaining spots. After that we also searched places that were farther out and seemed to be potential locations were a body might be dumped. I know that some of these included old mills and things of that nature.

Since corvallis is kind of out in the middle of nowhere it is just about impossible to search everything but from being there I got the impression that law enforcement did really good job of searching the immediate area and most other likely spots such as mills and gravel pits.

Anngelique
07-04-2004, 08:21 PM
I wanted to share with you fellow WSers that the LDS missionaries, (you know the guys that ride bicycles and wear the suits, white shirts, ties and black name tags) are all wearing a picture of Brooke with contact information. So while they are going door to door or walking through the many communities of Oregon, they are also getting Brookes information and picture out there. I happen to be LDS like Brooke and the missionaries have been wearing these since right after her abduction. Remember her fiance is serving an LDS mission right now as well in South America I believe. It must be horrible for him to be able to keep his mind off of Brooke and keep serving the Lord.

scandi
07-04-2004, 09:28 PM
Hi Anngelique,

My heart does bleed for her fiance. How horrible for him ~ so far away and nothing he can do to help except pray for her and the family.


BadFish and Scorpion you guys have done great Sleuthing here! :clap: :D I keep thinking that there is a reason they searched the park in Tigard. If this Kim is a man who they are close to calling a suspect instead of a person of interest, it makes sense that if he had her in his grip he would take her back to an area where he felt comfortable - in his comfort zone. Maybe there are parts of that park that are secluded. Or maybe he has a buddy with a place nearby there. He might want to fantasize with her and do some modeling for her before he is finished. He is so sick, and with all of those guns I could see him have turned a corner into a world of violence. Pretty scary.


Scandi

Scorpion
07-05-2004, 03:06 AM
Scandi, thank you for your kind words.

Badfish,thinking about it I suspect that the tunnels you've heard of are the ones which comprise the heating system. I don't think I'd expect an old sewage system to become incorporated in such a public way. It may be that the old tunnels are still part of the existing system, perhaps with a few disused areas. I still think it's worth checking out but I can't find out any more detail online. As for not being able to hide someone even for a couple of days, to be honest I wasn't even thinking that long. IF Kim is the abductor, it would seem he either had to bundle Brooke into his car and take her with him (which presumably leads the police to his garage) in order to be back in time to be videoed in the store or find a holding area for her until he had the time to return and take her somewhere he'd earmarked. If he was following what we know his fantasies, he'd require time and privacy. From memory, what I first heard of his alibi for the evening doesn't hold up - he said he was watching a film which wasn't showing anywhere and his mother told the police he returned home much later than he'd said. So I think there may be two distinct phases to this and worth following up anything. As for the quarry, it's around the 5 mile mark I guess from looking at the map. I just feel these things are worth mentioning as sometimes if they're disused or only a few people know about them they can get overlooked. I really do feel for everyone concerned here. It's bad enough to know I'm stuck on the end of a computer completely powerless - I can't imagine what it must be like to be involved in searching. As for the family, it's just unthinkable.

BADFlSH
07-05-2004, 02:43 PM
I know exactly what you mean about feeling completely powerless. Its kind of at a point now where I am sure there is a lot we could think of to do, but there is already a lot that has been done. Without access to all of the information it’s hard to determine what really is a new idea and what has been covered but was never really talked about. Personally I have come to the point where I am just putting my faith in the hands of law enforcement and hoping for the best, though I will still help in anyway I can.

IndigoFalls
07-05-2004, 08:24 PM
Hi, I drove over to Oak Park Apartments to look around the baseball field parking lot that is adjacent to it, and see if there were a gate. Not only was there a gate, but it was wide open. Also, as before, I only saw about 2 people in the entire complex. So whoever abducted Brooke, could have driven in the main driveway to the back maintenance area and risked being seen a little bit, or parked in the gravel baseball field parking lot, which is kind of just out there, parked and walked through the gate right toward the area from which she was abducted. They could have taken her out through the gate and probably no one would have been the wiser. Even when there is a ballgame going on, that parking lot is not crowded like across the street at Reser Stadium. When no game is going on it is pretty deserted, and an easy drive out of it to Hwy 34 east or west, or to Western Blvd. which is an easy drive to Hwy. 99 North or South.
Hardly anyone commented about what I wrote before. Does anyone know the make model & license plate of Kim's vehicle?
BTW, I don't feel powerless. With all of us having our thinking caps on, we may make a difference.

scandi
07-05-2004, 09:00 PM
Hi guys,

Well I don't know how to find out these things like license plates! :rolleyes: LOL. But I don't think he dallied with her in the Corvallis area once he got her or he wouldn't have made it for the filming at the store. He had her stashed somewhere - probably in his room if his parents were low key or not home. He might have killed her by that point and doing it with her like that later is what turned him on. Evidently he had psyche problems of being anti social, so that fits, right?


Scandi

Scorpion
07-07-2004, 01:28 PM
I don't think he dallied with her in the Corvallis area once he got her or he wouldn't have made it for the filming at the store. He had her stashed somewhere - probably in his room if his parents were low key or not home. He might have killed her by that point and doing it with her like that later is what turned him on.Scandi

Scandi,

I agree with you that if it was Kim he had to hide her somewhere in order to appear in the store - may all be part of his strategy to create an alibi. And certainly his parents were low key - or uninterested - enough not to notice the videos (weren't there hundreds, if not thousands of them?), undies and armoury accumulating: all that takes up space. But I strongly feel that he would have preferred to take her alive. The videos etc that we know of presumably feature live women. I'm assuming the kick comes from the extreme reactions you would get from treating someone that way - the control you have over someone who's powerless or whatever other dreadful motivation leads them to do it. I would imagine necrophilia is a completely different thing.

However, I'm not sure I want to go that far into the abductor's mind. I'm not a psychologist, although I have a deep interest in what makes people tick. I just desperately want someone to come up with something that solves this, one way or the other. And I intend to carry on looking at what resources are available to me in the hope that there's a clue there somewhere.

BADFlSH
07-07-2004, 03:33 PM
This may or may not be useful to anyone but for those that don’t know about it, Microsoft hosts a web server that has satellite images of the entire US that you can zoom in far enough to distinguish individual cars. The photos aren’t current (I think they are around a year or two old in some cases) but they can be useful for people that want to get a better idea what a certain area looks like.

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

Anngelique
07-08-2004, 10:34 PM
Here is a bit of information about Brooke. Please follow the link to see 4 computer generated pictures to see how she could look if someone was trying to disguise her. Also they are having her on the show Without a Trace TONIGHT on CBS at 10 PM.

July 8, 2004

Brooke is given a new look to aid search

In an attempt to generate new leads in the case of Brooke Wilberger who has been missing since she dissappeared from a Corvallis apartment complex, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has produced four computer generated photos showing how she might look with various hair lengths and styles.
Brooke has also been added to Federal Bureau of Investigation website and will be included on CBS's "Without A Trace" Thursday July 8 at 10:00 pm.

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=69064

amandab
07-09-2004, 08:08 AM
I saw Without A Trace last night, as well as Brooke's picture. Hubby saw it with me, so updated him on her case.

He asked me how I get any work done at all - LOL.

Anngelique
07-09-2004, 11:49 AM
I saw Without A Trace last night, as well as Brooke's picture. Hubby saw it with me, so updated him on her case.

He asked me how I get any work done at all - LOL.

Work????? Who needs to work? There are much more important things to do like follow WS!!!!!! Men!!! What are they thinking?? :doh:

Anngelique
07-14-2004, 11:18 AM
I did not think it could be possible for Kim to get any scarier in my book, but he has with the new information mentioned in this article. Here are a few snippets from this article but please follow the link as I left quite a bit out. All I can say regardless if Kim has anything to do with Brooke's disappearance it is a HUGE RELIEF this man is OFF the streets and I hope they keep him off forever!!!!

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=69207




July 14, 2004
Classmates say Kim known for off-color remarks

MCMINNVILLE, Ore. - An accused underwear thief who has been named a person of interest in the disappearance of 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger once alarmed his college classmates by telling them that he could kill at will because he was "one of Christ's angels."

Richard Johnston, who often went target shooting with Sung Koo Kim when the two were students at Washington State University, told the McMinnville News-Register that he and other college friends shunned Kim after he began making violent, off-color remarks.

At the Tigard home he shares with his parents, investigators found more than 3,400 pairs of panties and bras, many labeled with names, dates and places. Ten pairs belonged to an Oregon State University swimmer, who lived in the apartment complex from which Wilberger disappeared.

They also found seven assault rifles, three computers collectively containing 40,000 images of women being mutilated, raped and dismembered and a disturbing word document.

The single-page document, titled "OSU.doc," describes the rape and murder of a woman, listing the items needed to carry out the torture, including a hood, mirrored sunglasses, six pairs of nylons and a bra and panty set for the victim.

"Hang by the neck, hog-tie and pull neck," it reads. "Cut off blood to head for 10 minutes, two times."


One time, Kim told the group he thought the Columbine High School massacre was justified because the assailants had been teased and bullied.

Another time, he told them he could kill at will and not face sanctions because he was an angel of Christ.

The charges against Kim for his underwear thefts carry an undertone of menace. In the course of extensive research, police investigators learned Kim belonged to Yahoo chat groups with such names as Strangling-whores, Femalestrangulation, Corpseoftheweek and Innocent-killers-2002.


(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

tuppence
07-14-2004, 05:32 PM
OMG! where was the family with all this? they had to have an idea how nuts he was since he was living at home. This is really scary stuff.

dannyodie
07-14-2004, 10:08 PM
I was wondering how far away that fellow lives that just got arrested for abducting a 18 yr old and rapeing her some 25 miles from where she was taken from. wonder if it is possible that this man could be responsable for brookes missing. I think his name was robert stamper. I do agree that this kim guy is a good suspect at hand now, but if it turns out he isn't then they could always look back at this fellow. good thing for the young lady that she got away. I just wonder if the same area in which she was raped should be searched for brooke, this guy knew of this place and may have used it more than once. just my thoughts. there was a story in todays news cast a www.katu.com (http://www.katu.com)

BADFlSH
07-15-2004, 02:24 AM
dannyodie, I was wondering that myself but later they said that he was not a suspect. They said they were able to confirm that he was at work during the time of brooks dissapearance.

scandi
07-21-2004, 01:49 AM
Just heard something new! 10 O'Colck news - channel 12

On the day Brooke went missing, Kim went to Home Depot and bought 3 cement cinder blocks!

Shades of what? Wonder if they searched any lakes in Tigard, which is where he went to Home Depot with his dad. Right? She had to be hidden somewhere. He is so sick though, well, I don't want to say. Just awful to even think about.


Scandi

PS: Wonder where Newsperson is? He/she will know something about this.

Anngelique
07-21-2004, 09:49 AM
Just heard something new! 10 O'Colck news - channel 12

On the day Brooke went missing, Kim went to Home Depot and bought 3 cement cinder blocks!

Shades of what? Wonder if they searched any lakes in Tigard, which is where he went to Home Depot with his dad. Right? She had to be hidden somewhere. He is so sick though, well, I don't want to say. Just awful to even think about.


Scandi

PS: Wonder where Newsperson is? He/she will know something about this.

Here is an article relating to this information Scandi. Read the last paragraph where they say this information is something they are investigating but not one of their high priority things. HELLO.... cinderblocks? :waitasec: 2 hours after Brooke went missing? :confused: Please tell me what I am missing here? :banghead:

http://katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=69384

Now police say an employee at a lumber store in Newberg told them that Kim bought cinder blocks on May 24, several hours after Brooke vanished.



"We're aware of the employee's remarks at the lumber yard," Corvallis Police Lt. Ron Noble said. "It's something we're looking into as part of the investigation to see if Kim is associated with Brooke's disappearance."

Noble added that while it may be tempting to jump to conclusions about this new piece of information, he wants people to remember that Kim is one of at least five people being investigated with regard to Brooke's disappearance. He says investigators are moving carefully as they examine the facts.

"The investigation regarding the blocks is still in the infant stages," Noble said. "It is one of many things we are investigating and definitely not one of the most high priority things."

englishleigh
07-21-2004, 09:52 AM
How close are Corvallis and Tigard to the Willamette River? To the ocean??

If she's underwater, it makes sense to me b/c they haven't found anything doing extensive land searches.

This is so sad and it should be TOP priority!!! :furious:

scandi
07-21-2004, 10:13 AM
Sorry I got the store wrong - it wasn't a Home Depot. LOL

The Willamette River runs right through Portland, and Tigard, a suburb of Portland is about 10 min. drive away. Corvallis is about a 1 1/2 or so hour drive to the ocean - Tigard about a 2 hour drive. I don't know if the Willamette is down by Corvallis, but it could be. Someone told me it is the longest river in North America that runs N and S!

You would think there would be more to this than they are saying. This morning I heard that the salesperson saw a pair of undies and some cover or something else in Kims vehicle when he loaded the blocks for him.


See you tonight!

Scandi