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mere
02-08-2005, 05:03 PM
Compare these girls. Very Similar.


http://doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html

http://doenetwork.org/cases/1206dfnj.html

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1458

http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1106794/1#poster

amandab
02-08-2005, 05:11 PM
I see a resemblance, definitely.

Also, she was found in Atlantic Highlands, NJ, which is only 10.7 miles (per Yahoo) away from Eatontown, where she lived.

Does anyone know if the folks at doenetwork crosscheck their cases before they're posted? I'm not sure how that works, exactly.....

smile22
02-08-2005, 06:33 PM
does anyone know if they have a discription on hand of what charlett was wearing when she disapeared? doe does not list it

WasBlind
02-08-2005, 06:52 PM
Charlotte Jean Loomis (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1206dfnj.html)

Missing since September 1, 1972 from Eatontown, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 26, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0 - 5'3"; 105 - 115 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Blonde hair; blue eyes. She is left-handed.
Marks, Scars: She has a previous fracture to one arm. She also has a scar on her forehead.

Unidentified Caucasian Female (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/20ufnj.html)

Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years.
The victim was estimated to have died sometime around 1973 to 1975.

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 15 - 20 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'4"; 100 - 120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Hair and eye color are both undetermined.
Dentals: Available
Clothing: She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks. Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.

mere, you may have a match. I've highlighted the similarities, and if they were indeed less than 11 miles apart, you really may be on to something, here. Contact the folks at Doe right away with both links, ok? Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions.

smile22, I would contact the Doe Network directly with any questions, and send both links. If you need a contact there, feel free to e-mail me at HelpForTheMissing@yahoo.com

amandab, I have no idea how their system works, but you could ask them. I'll be happy to direct you to the one who is in your area, as well, if you'd like.

With HOPE, Lanie

blueclouds
02-08-2005, 09:06 PM
I see a resemblance, definitely.

Also, she was found in Atlantic Highlands, NJ, which is only 10.7 miles (per Yahoo) away from Eatontown, where she lived.

Does anyone know if the folks at doenetwork crosscheck their cases before they're posted? I'm not sure how that works, exactly.....
I'm a member.... I'll go see if they've been cross checked prior. If not, you can submit it or I can or whomever.... IT LOOKS very good. Good catch

EDITED:

SADLY, she's been ruled out through DNA..... my goodness that looked good.

mere
02-08-2005, 09:43 PM
Blueclouds thanks for checking so quickly. It seemed too easy. We all know it is not.

blueclouds
02-08-2005, 10:53 PM
Blueclouds thanks for checking so quickly. It seemed too easy. We all know it is not.

sometimes it can be that easy... you have an AWESOME EYE FOR THIS... you should join doenetwork....

KatherineQ
02-08-2005, 11:45 PM
sometimes it can be that easy... you have an AWESOME EYE FOR THIS... you should join doenetwork....


Blueclouds - this really looks like a match. How reliable is DNA, considering this girl vanished 20 years before DNA analysis was reliable?

Did they check her dental records? Really intriguing.

blueclouds
02-09-2005, 12:15 AM
Blueclouds - this really looks like a match. How reliable is DNA, considering this girl vanished 20 years before DNA analysis was reliable?

Did they check her dental records? Really intriguing.
It was a recent DNA test....since they have the "unknown" victim and the Missing child's family........ it was negative.

I suppose they can & do make mistakes. I can only hope they are very careful when it comes to identifying missing children.

I agree... it does look very good. I thought for sure it'd be one to send in. I also know DoeNetwork keeps good records and their 'potential match' database is done with double and triple checking with Law Enforcement.

YOU WOULDN'T believe how many other cases look so good and come back negative. It's heart wrenching

monkalup
02-09-2005, 01:00 AM
I can vouch for the Doenet's careful record keeping. These things are very carefully checked with LE. I am actually on the panel that votes on Potential Matches. This was a good looking match, so good that it has actually been made (as has been stated) and already ruled out. But keep looking. And do consider joining us there...

Sunshinelady
02-09-2005, 07:45 AM
If I'm not mistaking dna was already done on these two girls but unfortunately there was no match. I remember a couple of months ago several people at the Doe network site posted the resemblence between these girls via the guestbook.

KatherineQ
02-09-2005, 01:10 PM
Monkalup - do they do dental matches, do you know? It just seems like that would be 1000 times easier, and in a case like this, more accurate. If they have good dentals on the victim . . .

Reading the little blurb about this missing girl her family situation seems unusual - she was a young teenager living with her married sister. Could they take DNA from a man who thinks he's her father, but in fact he wasn't, and that could possibly throw this off?

Bless you for working with the DoeNetwork. It's just so intriguing, and sad, how many people are missing and how many bodies are unidentified.

mere
02-09-2005, 01:20 PM
I know DNA is an excellent, usually the best, source for a match, but mistakes and errors are made all the time. I agree with you Katherine, in cases where matches are this similar a cross check with the dental seems necessary.

KatherineQ
02-09-2005, 01:51 PM
Mere - I agree with you, DNA is almost always the best and most reliable.

In cases where there is a possibility that the parents aren't the parents (I don't know this girl's case at all, so this isn't about her specifically). Cases where teenage girls have babies, and the grandparents raise them as siblings, rather than admitting their daughter got pregnant.

Maybe I just want it to be her so the mystery is solved.

Hollow
04-12-2006, 02:07 AM
Did anything ever come of this possible match ???

Hollow
04-12-2006, 02:12 AM
A little more about Unidentified at this link, scroll down:

http://www.visitmonmouth.com/01190_prosecutor/crime.htm

mere
04-12-2006, 10:36 AM
I believe that now the unidentified is being looked at as a possible match to Jan Cotta.

lilsister
06-05-2006, 05:40 PM
Could the remains possibly be those of Karen Lynn Zendrosky who went missing from Bordentown Township in New Jersey on October 23, 1979 (I know that the date is a little off etc. but it is a possibility, I guess)?--remains sometimes, depending on the location, can breakdown more quickly that would be normally assumed. Is it possible for LE to check into this as well?

mere
07-19-2006, 03:11 PM
I did not want to start a new thread, since there are so many for comparing already. I would like some opinions on these two girls. I am not sure if this has been discussed already.


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/375dfvt.html

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281ufga.html

Shadow205
07-19-2006, 03:52 PM
I did not want to start a new thread, since there are so many for comparing already. I would like some opinions on these two girls. I am not sure if this has been discussed already.


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/375dfvt.html

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281ufga.html
Mere,

I don't think that this could be a match. The unidentified female had:

She had undergone a full left hip replacement that repaired an intertrochanteric fracture of the left hip.
Dentals: Available. She had extensive dental work including a fixed gold bridge, two full gold crowns and both upper front teeth were fused to metal crowns.
I see nothing like that in Heidi's description. Those are pretty big identifiers.

mere
07-19-2006, 03:57 PM
I thought the same thing. But Heidi is listed as a runway. All of the details on her are superficial. The information given on her is details people would see if she is still alive.

Hollow
07-20-2006, 04:15 PM
You would think with all of that specific dental work and hip surjury on the unidentified above, someone would have claimed her. Very unusual looking hair too.

coco
07-21-2006, 06:40 AM
^ agree with you. Its crazy. I would have also thought they would have been able to trace back to where the dental work was done and all that.

ihadcabinfever
02-02-2007, 03:20 PM
Case File 20UFNJ
Unidentified White Female

Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years.

Unidentified Caucasian Female Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey Approximately 15 - 18 years old by coroner's estimation Cause of death is unknown due to the skeletal remains of the victim.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:E_JBDHwERfoJ:www.camdencounty.com/sheriff/janedoeHighlands.htm+1975+Atlantic+highlands+nj&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=80&gl=us
Vital Statistics
This victim was discovered off lower Bayside Drive in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey as a parcel of land was cleared along Sandy Hook Bay.
She was 5'0 - 5'4 and weighed 100 - 120 pounds. Her hair and eye color are both undetermined. The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for approximately 15 years, placing the year of her death between 1973 - 1975.
She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks.
Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.



Estimated age: 15 - 20 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'4"; 100 - 120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Hair and eye color are both undetermined.
Dentals: Available. Decedant had signifigant tooth decay. Gap in the upper central incisors.
Clothing: She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks. Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.
DNA: Available


compared to
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/64dfmd.html
Sheila Mary Lyon
Missing since March 25, 1975 from Wheaton, Montgomery County, Maryland
Classification: Endangered Missing




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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 30, 1962
Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2" (157 cm); 100 lbs (45 kg)
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes. She wears eyeglasses.
Clothing: Sheila was last seen wearing a dark blue shirt and wheat-colored corduroy pants. But her sister dissapeared with her and was wearing a red jacket
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/64dfmd.html
Sheila Mary Lyon
Missing since March 25, 1975 from Wheaton, Montgomery County, Maryland
Classification: Endangered Missing
Circumstances of Disappearance
Sheila and her younger sister, Katherine, departed together from their family's residence on Plyers Mill Road in Kensington, Maryland on March 25, 1975 between 11:00 AM- 12:00 PM. The girls were walking to the Wheaton Plaza Shopping Center in Wheaton, Maryland, which was approximately one-half mile from their home and located on the corner of University Boulevard and Veirs Mills Road. Sheila and Katherine were on spring vacation from school and wanted to see the Easter exhibits at the mall, as well as have lunch at The Orange Bowl Restaurant .
A neighborhood child saw the girls outside the restaurant at approximately 1:00 PM. He told investigators that the sisters were speaking to an unidentified middle-aged man wearing a brown suit. The man was carrying a briefcase with a tape recorder inside. There were also other children around who were speaking into a microphone he was holding. The witness' description of the man led authorities to view the unknown person as a prime suspect in the Lyon sisters' case and a sketch of the individual was created.
The girls' older brother saw them inside The Orange Bowl Restauranteating pizza together at approximately 2:00 PM. A friend stated that the girls were walking westward down Drumm Avenue near Devon Street between 2:30 - 3:00 PM. This would have been one of the most direct routes to their home on Plyers Mill Road from the mall and was the final confirmed sighting of the sisters. Their mother had instructed Sheila and Katherine to return to the residence by 4:00 PM; when they did not arrive by 7:00 PM, authorities were summoned and an extensive search was conducted. No evidence of the Lyon sisters' whereabouts could be located. The girls had less than $4 between them when they left home, and after eating lunch, would have had only some change left in their pockets.

A witness in Manassas, Virginia reported seeing two girls resembling Sheila and Katherine in the rear of a 1968 beige Ford station wagon on April 7, 1975. The witness stated that the girls were observed bound and gagged in the vehicle at approximately 7:30 AM that day. The driver of the station wagon resembled the man seen questioning children at The Orange Bowl Restaurant the day the sisters vanished. When the driver spotted the witness tailing him, he ran a red light and sped west on Route 234 towards Interstate 66 in Virginia. The station wagon had Maryland license plates with the possible combination "DMT-6**." The last two numbers are unknown due to the bending of the car's plate. The known combination was issued in Cumberland, Hagerstown and Baltimore, Maryland at the time. A search for matching plate numbers failed to produce any information.
The girls' disappearances remain unsolved.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/65dfmd.html

Katherine Mary Lyon
Missing since March 25, 1975 from Wheaton, Montgomery County, Maryland
Classification: Endangered Missing



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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 29, 1964
Age at Time of Disappearance: 10 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'8; 85 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes.
Marks, Scars: She has a birthmark on the inside of her upper thigh.
Clothing: Katherine was last seen wearing a red jacket and Wrangler brand blue jeans with a front zipper.

The victim was found with 2 different sets of shoes. A platform sandal and a little work boot with football scene stitched on the side.

I wonder if the tooth decay was baby teeth molars?

reb
02-02-2007, 04:23 PM
i don't really see a connection here.. i doubt katherine would have had 'significant' tooth decay.. she came from a fairly well-off (or at least middle-class) home & her parents could have afforded proper dental care. also, they estimated the found girl's age to be 15-20, katherine was only 12, and probably not wearing a bra yet. if it was a young girl's bra, they probably would have mentioned that.

ihadcabinfever
02-02-2007, 04:38 PM
I think 12 years old is seventh grade. I and my friends wore bras by the sixth grade. Also many kids just have bad teeth (genetics) and do still have and get cavities today. Even in upper class families. I don't see that they listed dentals on the girls. I did notice the 12 year old had an eye tooth coming in .

ihadcabinfever
02-02-2007, 04:42 PM
Also note that the 12 year old's height is listed as 5 2 , thats a tall girl for her age.That would make her jean size about a 1 or 3 in juniors,beleive me I know.

Girl's Pant Sizing

Sized Inseams (Jean/Pant) Short Regular Long
00 28" 30"
0-14 30" 32" 34"

a 28 length would be about 5 2

ihadcabinfever
02-02-2007, 04:58 PM
http://www.capemaylewesferry.com/history/history.html

Since the Early Years:

In 1975, ferry operations were dramatically reduced from 24 hours a day to 16 hours per day. Operational costs were substantially slashed while revenues continued to be steady. Also in 1972 the Authority signed an $11.7 million contract with Todd Shipyards Corp. to construct 3 new ferry vessels.

As traffic and revenue increased, the ferry ran into capacity problems. The existing vessels could no longer handle the demand. With the introduction of casino gambling in Atlantic City, the problem worsened.

The Authority began plans for its fourth new vessel and in June 1981, the MV New Del, later renamed the MV Cape Henlopen, was put into service. Four years later the fifth new vessel was put into service and named the MV Cape May.

In 1994, the Delaware River and Bay Authority initiated an aggressive vessel refurbishment plan. The primary goal of the refurbishment plan was to improve customer service and comfort. All five vessels in the present fleet were completely refurbished in a five-year, $54.4 million master plan: MV Delaware (1994), MV Twin Capes (1996), MV Cape May (1998), MV Cape Henlopen (1998) and MV New Jersey (1999).

Passenger terminals at both Lewes and Cape May have been dramatically upgraded and modernized since 2000 at cost of over $12 million. Access highways, parking lots, support facilities, and virtually all other aspects of CMLF customer service have been maintained to state-of-the-art quality and performance.

After 40 years of service, the Cape May-Lewes Ferry operation has become a reliable, quality transportation link in the mid-Atlantic region of the East Coast—earning its reputation as "The Best Boat Ride in America".

At last official count, there were 67 ferries operating in waters of the United States with capacity to carry 50 or more vehicles. More than half (34) are on the Pacific Coast, 11 operate in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi River, 1 in the Great Lakes, and 6 in New England. Of the 15 ferries operating along the Atlantic Coast, there are 3 each in Virginia and New York, 4 in North Carolina and the 5 ferry vessels of Cape May-Lewes Ferry.

The Lewes Ferry brings you right to the bottom of N.J. This girl was found near Sandy Hook which is exit 117 off the Parkway. About a 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive. Depending on how fast your going.

mere
02-02-2007, 06:03 PM
Sheila
Clothing: Sheila was last seen wearing a dark blue shirt and wheat-colored corduroy pants.

Katherine
Clothing: Katherine was last seen wearing a red jacket and Wrangler brand blue jeans with a front zipper.

UWF
She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks.
Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.

ihadcabinfever
02-02-2007, 09:11 PM
Sheila
Clothing: Sheila was last seen wearing a dark blue shirt and wheat-colored corduroy pants.

Katherine
Clothing: Katherine was last seen wearing a red jacket and Wrangler brand blue jeans with a front zipper.

UWF
She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks.
Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.


"small boot" with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.
Is that noted because it did not fit her?
Smaller than what? The sandal?
I cannot find where it could be mentioned what type of shoes these girls where wearing the day they went missing.
One more thing how do you know if it is a shirt or a light jacket if it has been out in the elements for that long. Especially by the ocean. The ocean water is brutal even on Marine paint.

One more thing her sister could have handed her the coat to wear.

I had a friend that moved to Atlantic Highlands right after the bus station (Make Rt.) off of rte 35 near the graveyard, from my neighborhood 2 hours north of here back in 1980 and what popped into my memory was the last name of a girl that was a new friend. It is the same last name of the guy from the Science Firm in Maryland. I wonder if they are relatives and he would know that area specifically.
Sandy Hook at that time had alot of Military stuff at and near the beach. Very isolated area in the winter .

ihadcabinfever
02-02-2007, 11:09 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-35536
Thank You Richard

It is quite possible and likely that Coffey had Navy contacts in the Washington/MD/VA area which helped him land a job with Vitro Laboratories.
Employment records from Vitro Laboratories (a Defense Contractor specializing in Navy weapon systems) in Silver Spring MD place him in the area between April and July 1975.


As of January 1, 1975 they deactivated Fort Hancock .They were taking apart defense missiles and turning it over to the Parks Commision. I am sure he could be placed there.

Here are some pics and history. "Fort Hancock"
http://www.constantreader.org/v2/excursion3.html

hewinkedatme!
02-18-2007, 12:58 PM
Could she be another possible match to the jd? I know there's a big discrepancy in their dentals, but their height and weight match up, and to me the reconstruction of the jd bears a striking resemblance to White. Maybe she's already been ruled out, but these cases have been bothering me for quite some time so I figured I'd ask. Please go easy on me, this is my first post.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1518dfct.html

Lisa Joy White
Missing since November 1, 1974 from Rockville, Tolland County, Connecticut
Classification: Lost, Injured, Missing




Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: February 2, 1961
Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 110 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes. She had been a dancer and done acrobatics and was in perfect shape.
Marks, Scars: Small pock mark on forehead over right eye.
Clothing: Blue denim jacket and green pants She was not wearing any jewelry.
Dentals: Available. Had worn teeth braces - teeth perfectly aligned.
Other: Fingerprints not available


Circumstances of Disappearance
Lisa was last seen walking along Prospect Street in Vernon, Connecticut at 8:00 p.m. on November 1, 1974. Lisa had gone to see a friend in Rockville. After talking to her, she left to go home but never arrived.
She is the third person out of five to disappear from this area. The bodies of the last two were found a few years later - the first three were never found.

docwho3
02-18-2007, 03:48 PM
Could she be another possible match to the jd? I know there's a big discrepancy in their dentals, . . .
On the surface it looks like a possibility to me. Age estimates are often very wrong so I don't see the ages as being very far apart. The facial reconstruction bears a resemblance and the overall body size is not far apart. I was not yet able to see one of the doe links but I saw the other links. I have not yet seen anything written about dentals that, to me, rules out a match so until someone further investigates it sounds like a possibility.

hewinkedatme!
02-18-2007, 07:45 PM
Yeah, I've noticed that the doe network links from this site haven't been working today for some reason, although the doenetwork site itself is up, so you may have to go to the doenetwork homepage and find the cases from there. The reason I see the dentals as a discrepancy is that Ms. White had perfectly aligned teeth and had recently had her braces off prior to her disappearance, while the jd had some decay and gaps. I'm still hopeful though...

Angels_Not_Forgotten
02-19-2007, 02:15 AM
Could she be another possible match to the jd? I know there's a big discrepancy in their dentals, but their height and weight match up, and to me the reconstruction of the jd bears a striking resemblance to White. Maybe she's already been ruled out, but these cases have been bothering me for quite some time so I figured I'd ask. Please go easy on me, this is my first post.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1518dfct.html

Lisa Joy White
Missing since November 1, 1974 from Rockville, Tolland County, Connecticut
Classification: Lost, Injured, Missing




Vital Statistics


Date Of Birth: February 2, 1961
Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 110 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes. She had been a dancer and done acrobatics and was in perfect shape.
Marks, Scars: Small pock mark on forehead over right eye.
Clothing: Blue denim jacket and green pants She was not wearing any jewelry.
Dentals: Available. Had worn teeth braces - teeth perfectly aligned.
Other: Fingerprints not available


Circumstances of Disappearance
Lisa was last seen walking along Prospect Street in Vernon, Connecticut at 8:00 p.m. on November 1, 1974. Lisa had gone to see a friend in Rockville. After talking to her, she left to go home but never arrived.
She is the third person out of five to disappear from this area. The bodies of the last two were found a few years later - the first three were never found.




It seems to me that the JD pics and the first few on Lisa's page look a lot alike.

ihadcabinfever
02-20-2007, 05:14 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1518dfct.html

Lisa Joy White
Missing since November 1, 1974 from Rockville, Tolland County, Connecticut
Classification: Lost, Injured, Missing

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/85dfct.html

Janice K. Pockett
Missing since July 26, 1973 from Tolland, Tolland County, Connecticut.
Classification: Non Family Abduction

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/69dmma.html

Angelo Gene Puglisi
Missing since August 21, 1976 from Lawrence, Essex County, Massachusetts.
Classification: Non-Family Abduction

http://www.haveyouseenandy.com/story/

If you read this story here you'll wonder if the guy was confused as to the girl's name and I wonder if that could possibly be Andy's boot? I emailed Melanie and asked her if she could remember if he did own boots like the one described here. I gave her the link to the thread here.
How strange. I wonder about the pink shoe?

ihadcabinfever
02-20-2007, 08:07 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/210dfga.html
Cassandra Nadine Landrum
Missing since September 29, 1975 from Union City, Fulton County, Georgia.
Classification: Involuntary



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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: August 26, 1957
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'1; 100 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; hazel eyes.
Marks, Scars: Small scar on her forehead
Clothing: Blue jeans and two red shirts, one short sleeved and one long. She was barefoot.
AKA: Sandra


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Circumstances of Disappearance
Landrum was last seen leaving her family's home in Union City, Georgia on September 29, 1975. She intended to use a pay phone, which was a short distance from her house. Landrum was never seen or heard from again.
Her parents received anonymous phone calls after her disappearance, during which the caller informed them that Landrum had been murdered. She has never been located.

Erie resemblence....

hewinkedatme!
02-21-2007, 09:45 PM
Does anyone know who's been ruled out against this jd? She could be any number of girls, and there must be a list out there somewhere like there is for Princess Doe, and I've read the cases of a dozen or more girls who resemble her, but I just have a very strong gut feeling about White. Can anyone prove me wrong?

mere
02-22-2007, 10:40 AM
I know that Charlotte Jean Loomis has been ruled out.

ihadcabinfever
02-22-2007, 10:27 PM
I know that Charlotte Jean Loomis has been ruled out.

Mere That's the only one I know about too. I remember waiting for the results of DNA and thought for sure it had to be her.

ihadcabinfever
02-27-2007, 06:32 PM
http://www.prosecutor.co.monmouth.nj.us/unsolved/pre1990.html#remains

1973-1975: Unknown Female Skeletal Remains


On December 10, 1988, while local residents gathered to help clear a parcel of land that runs along the Sandy Hook Bay in Atlantic Highlands for a bicycle trail, a local volunteer found what he at first thought was a plastic ball, which turned out to be a human skull. The resident reported the find to the Atlantic Highlands Police Department who began an investigation into this found human skull.

Once the Monmouth County Medical Examiner's Office and the State of New Jersey Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that the skull was human, the Atlantic Highlands Police Department, with the assistance of the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, New Jersey State Police, Connecticut State Police, Monmouth County Medical Examiner's Office, State of New Jersey Medical Examiner's Office, Burlington County Medical Examiner's Office, the local Department of Public Works and Water Department, excavated the area by sifting the earth in four sectors, recovering more than 85% of the skeletal remains.

An anthropology examination was performed upon the skeletal remains, which were identified as a:

Caucasian female
between the ages of 15 to 18 years old at time of death
5'1" to 5'4"
approximately 100 to 120 pounds.
The decedent was found to be wearing the following:

platform sandal shoes, composed of brown leather with brown painted plastic platform soles and a 2˝ inch high heel, size 6˝
knee high white acrylic socks
grey & red nylon long sleeved laced top
white brassiere
additional items near the remains:

portion of one pink rubber "thong-type" sandal
leather like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on side in red and white
A botanist reviewed the scene and clothing in the skeletal remains and estimated the body had been in that same location for approximately the previous fifteen years. This would put the year of death at approximately 1973 to 1975.

An investigation by the Atlantic Highlands Police Department was conducted in an attempt to identify the human skeletal remains. The human skeletal remains were mapped out and placed in the National Police computer system for all law enforcement departments to compare to their missing persons. The local media from the tri-state area converged on the small town of Atlantic Highlands and broadcast the human skeletal recovery for about four straight days. Massive medical coverage was aired and a special program called Crime Beat highlighted this case. No identification was made.

In 1992, with the assistance of the FBI, a clay reconstruction was made over the human skull and is a possible resemblance of what this recovered female skeletal remains may have looked like. Additionally, several parts of the skeletal remains were sent to LabCorp in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina for mitochondrial DNA profiling in 1997.

The Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office and the Atlantic Highlands Police Department now have a DNA profile that can be used to link this female subject to a family member as well as dental records.

Anyone with information concerning this matter is asked to call the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office at (732) 431-7012 or 1-800-533-7443 (toll free) or the Atlantic Highlands Police Department at (732) 291-1212.

ihadcabinfever
02-27-2007, 06:37 PM
leather like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on side in red and white


I keep thinking "Buster Browns" for some reason. Is that what they mean by little ? Like she was buried and whoever was responsible tossed some other victims stuff along with her like an after thought.....weird.

ihadcabinfever
02-27-2007, 06:53 PM
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:zljaRuEIHqUJ:www.visitmonmouth.com/01190_prosecutor/crime.htm+Robin+Trivisonno&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

In September of 1998, the results of the DNA profile were developed. A comparison was made to a missing Burlington County female who was last seen in Mt. Holly in 1975 and matched the physical description. A match was not made.

I thought they were comparing her to Charlotte Loomis?????

HUH???

mere
02-28-2007, 11:58 AM
I wonder who the Burlington COunty female was?

ihadcabinfever
02-28-2007, 02:50 PM
I wonder who the Burlington COunty female was?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1280dfnj.html

Margaret Ellen Fox
Missing since June 24, 1974 from Mt. Holly, Burlington County, New Jersey.
Classification: Endangered Missing ??????????

I think it was this girl.

mere
02-28-2007, 03:56 PM
That was my thought too. It might just be an inconsistancy that they have listed on the monmouth county website that the remains were compared with a girl who went missing in 1975.

mere
02-28-2007, 05:46 PM
I have always thought that this could be Jan Cotta too. It is also a possiblility that this is a victim of Richard Biegenwald. He was active in that area during the time frame.

ihadcabinfever
04-04-2007, 07:21 PM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lakey_michelle.html

Michelle Jolene Lakey



Top Row and Bottom Left: Lakey, circa 1986;
Bottom Right: Age-progression at age 31 (circa 2005)

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: August 26, 1986 from Scanton, Pennsylvania
Classification: Non-Family Abduction
Date Of Birth: October 21, 1974
Age: 11 years old
Height and Weight: 4'9 - 5'0, 80 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown to blonde hair, brown eyes. Lakey had long fingernails at the time of her 1986 disappearance. Her nicknames are Boozer and Boo. She goes by her middle name, Jolene; some agencies refer to her as Jolene Michelle Lakey or spell her name "Michele." Lakey had a small, slight build at the time of her disappearance and looked much younger than her age. She wore children's size 14 clothes and size 8 shoes in 1986. Her female family members are all short, and Lakey may be also.
Clothing/Jewelry Description: A white shirt with purple trim and a tie front, dark blue sweatpants, and brown sandals with straps.
Medical Conditions: Lakey has a long history of illnesses, particularly pneumonia, and may still be susceptible.

Details of Disappearance

Lakey visited her mother at Mercy Hospital in their hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania on August 26, 1986. She was last seen walking on North Washington Avenue towards her home, which was in the 1300 block of that street. She was planning on spending the night at a female friend's house on Myrtle Street. Lakey may have entered an unidentified light yellow car approximately one block from her family's residence. She has never been seen again. Authorities believe she was abducted by a non-family member.
Lakey enjoys fast food from McDonald's restaurants. In 1986 she had a dynamic, outspoken personality and a good sense of humor, and enjoyed playing with animals and
wearing colorful clothes. Her father believes she may be in California. Lakey's parents are divorced; she had not seen her father for three years prior to her disappearance and he was not notified of her abduction for seven months afterwards. Lakey's case remains unsolved.


Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Pennsylvania State Police
Troop R
717-963-3156

I wonder if they ever tried to match this ?

Stella
04-04-2007, 09:02 PM
Wonder what makes her Dad think that she's in California?

ihadcabinfever
04-04-2007, 10:45 PM
I have no idea. That is a good question.

ihadcabinfever
04-05-2007, 04:08 PM
portion of one pink rubber "thong-type" sandal
leather like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on side in red and white
A botanist reviewed the scene and clothing in the skeletal remains and estimated the body had been in that same location for approximately the previous fifteen years. This would put the year of death at approximately 1973 to 1975.

Question, How does regular non Marine type fabric with stand the elements for that period of time?

Say for instance you leave something outside in the summer like a towel or t-shirt in the summer and it will be sun bleached from the sun, so add salt water sandy soil and this material is still going to be in the same shape ?
Enough to see the outline of a football scene?

One more thing, they (EPA) started dredging around that area in 1976-9 when they closed the Military Base there. Would this change the soil PH?

Across from Sandy Hook you can see NYC ,in between that area was where they dumped the garbage for years into the ocean. They stopped that and cleaned that up (the best they could) it did improve the water since then like no more brown foam blowing up on the beach.
So with so much soil alterations how can you know for sure especially that area what could last that long ?
Unless the material was Hemp how could it last?

ihadcabinfever
04-05-2007, 04:42 PM
http://www.nikemissile.org/Complete_Guardian_Park8.pdf

Page 7, Evolution of Guardian Park plantings.

sillygilly
02-01-2009, 09:11 AM
Could these be a match?
Charley Project: Margarte Fox
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fox_margaret.html
compared to
Doe Network 20 ufnj
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html


The time line fits and the locations are pretty close. Age is slightly off but size fits, too.
Would you submit?
Thanks, new to forum.

JaneInOz
02-01-2009, 09:27 AM
Could these be a match?
The time line fits and the locations are pretty close. Age is slightly off but size fits, too.
Would you submit?
Thanks, new to forum.

There is something OFF about the links above

PLEASE NO ONE CLICK THESE or put these in your browser until this person has re posted them correctly

Boyz_Mum
02-01-2009, 10:29 AM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fox_margaret.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/ (20ufnj)

For the doenetwork I put in the 20ufjn in the search term box.

There are some similarities as far as time, description- what do you all think?

(I searched to get the links- welcome sillygilly!):blowkiss:

rozey
02-01-2009, 10:57 AM
Hope this link works

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html

sillygilly
02-01-2009, 11:52 AM
Thanks for posting the correct links. With a little more patience, I'll get the hang of it!

Mr. E
02-01-2009, 11:57 AM
They seem like such a good match. But since they're both in NJ and they're both in CODIS, wouldn''t they have been matched up by now?

Boyz_Mum
02-01-2009, 01:39 PM
They seem like such a good match. But since they're both in NJ and they're both in CODIS, wouldn''t they have been matched up by now?

I don't know? Does anyone know how it works?

Thanks rozey- I am not too experienced in the doenetwork and linking.

JaneInOz
02-01-2009, 07:19 PM
Thanks for the links

Okay Margaret was Missing June 24 in 1974 and was 14 years old

5ft 2 to 5f3 and approx 105 pounds

At the time she was missing two of her front teeth were missing




The unidentified Jane doe was found dec 10 1988 and would have had to have been dead for 10 years

# Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
# The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years.
# The victim was estimated to have died sometime around 1970 - 1975


# Estimated age: 15 - 20 years old
# Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'4"; 100 - 120 lbs.
# Distinguishing Characteristics: Hair and eye color are both undetermined.
# Dentals: Available. Decedant had signifigant tooth decay. Gap in the upper central incisors.
# Clothing: She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks. Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.


Both New Jersey.


Im not sure....But the chins on both are quite sharp and pronounced

dearmont
02-01-2009, 09:10 PM
Would not hurt to send it in to DOE for a match panel assessment. I see that the UID has a gap between the the upper central incisors whereas Margaret had two missing teeth in top right front. That would have been reported as a characteristic on the UID. Looks as if there were no pants found with the UID but there were brown leather platform sandals - Margaret was wearing brown leather sandals when she was last seen. So - could very well be her.

Boyz_Mum
02-02-2009, 11:12 AM
Thanks Jane in Oz for combining the info here to compare! :blowkiss:

sillygilly
02-02-2009, 01:28 PM
Thanks for your feedback, everyone, I sent Rocky an email. We will see...

future criminologist
02-02-2009, 01:56 PM
to be honest, I don't really see a resemblance, but then again I don't really rely on reconstructions for anything other than bone structure, and all the other factors seem to match. I say call it in!

sillygilly
02-03-2009, 01:04 PM
I don't know if that means ruled out or under investigation, the email came back from Rocky....

chaddylex
02-03-2009, 01:43 PM
sillygilly "Already submitted"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know if that means ruled out or under investigation, the email came back from Rocky....
Yesterday 02:56 PM


I received the same response back from Rocky last week when I submitted a possible match between http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/479ufnj.html and http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._brittany.html. I just left it at that and didn't go any further contacting anyone else.

mae
02-03-2009, 02:41 PM
I wonder if there is a list of people already ruled out somewhere? This might be quite useful.

kpdx
02-06-2010, 02:55 AM
I couldn't find a rule out list for Monmouth Jane...and I really think there are some strong similarities between Jane and Denise Sheehy http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/754dfny.html

The clothes are almost spot on, the teeth look similar (doe conflicts with NAMUS, so I am going by NAMUS) and height and weight are close.

I saw that Denise's sister has still been looking for her...and I am wondering if she has submitted her DNA to get Denise on CODIS.

kpdx
02-06-2010, 03:00 AM
here is more info on Jane:

1973-1975: Unknown Female Skeletal Remains
Unknown Sketch Unknown Composite

On December 10, 1988, while local residents gathered to help clear a parcel of land that runs along the Sandy Hook Bay in Atlantic Highlands for a bicycle trail, a local volunteer found what he at first thought was a plastic ball, which turned out to be a human skull. The resident reported the find to the Atlantic Highlands Police Department who began an investigation into this found human skull.

Once the Monmouth County Medical Examiner's Office and the State of New Jersey Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that the skull was human, the Atlantic Highlands Police Department, with the assistance of the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, New Jersey State Police, Connecticut State Police, Monmouth County Medical Examiner's Office, State of New Jersey Medical Examiner's Office, Burlington County Medical Examiner's Office, the local Department of Public Works and Water Department, excavated the area by sifting the earth in four sectors, recovering more than 85% of the skeletal remains.

An anthropology examination was performed upon the skeletal remains, which were identified as a:

* Caucasian female
* between the ages of 15 to 18 years old at time of death
* 5'1" to 5'4"
* approximately 100 to 120 pounds.

The decedent was found to be wearing the following:

* platform sandal shoes, composed of brown leather with brown painted plastic platform soles and a 2˝ inch high heel, size 6˝
* knee high white acrylic socks
* grey & red nylon long sleeved laced top
* white brassiere

additional items near the remains:

* portion of one pink rubber "thong-type" sandal
* leather like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on side in red and white

A botanist reviewed the scene and clothing in the skeletal remains and estimated the body had been in that same location for approximately the previous fifteen years. This would put the year of death at approximately 1973 to 1975.

An investigation by the Atlantic Highlands Police Department was conducted in an attempt to identify the human skeletal remains. The human skeletal remains were mapped out and placed in the National Police computer system for all law enforcement departments to compare to their missing persons. The local media from the tri-state area converged on the small town of Atlantic Highlands and broadcast the human skeletal recovery for about four straight days. Massive medical coverage was aired and a special program called Crime Beat highlighted this case. No identification was made.

In 1992, with the assistance of the FBI, a clay reconstruction was made over the human skull and is a possible resemblance of what this recovered female skeletal remains may have looked like. Additionally, several parts of the skeletal remains were sent to LabCorp in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina for mitochondrial DNA profiling in 1997.

The Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office and the Atlantic Highlands Police Department now have a DNA profile that can be used to link this female subject to a family member as well as dental records.

CarlK90245
02-06-2010, 04:33 AM
I wonder if Sheryl Tillinghast has been looked at.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tillinghast_sheryl.html

The one thing that catches my attention is the condition of her teeth which match the description of MJD's teeth.

http://www.charleyproject.org/images/t/tillinghast_sheryl2.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/20UFNJ2.jpg

Her height is within range although her weight is a little higher than the estimate (I presume based on MJD's clothing).

Her hometown of Wassaic NY is 140 miles from Monmouth County NJ.

And since she wasn't reported missing until 1998, she may have been missed in the sweep for possibles when MJD's remains were found.

kpdx
02-06-2010, 12:25 PM
i think that might be a possible, my only concern with Sheryl matching was dental. The NAMUS chart on MJD shows some fillings/restoration.

Also, wondering if Sheryl's DNA has been entered into CODIS...

Snufamonbobball
02-06-2010, 12:46 PM
i think that might be a possible, my only concern with Sheryl matching was dental. The NAMUS chart on MJD shows some fillings/restoration.

Also, wondering if Sheryl's DNA has been entered into CODIS...

Ditto, she's worth checking into.

CarlK90245
02-06-2010, 02:31 PM
Also, wondering if Sheryl's DNA has been entered into CODIS...

I had already checked Sheryl's Doe page, and it didn't say anythinhg about DNA, but I should have also checked Sheryl's NamUs profile:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3259/0/

It says DNA Status: Sample Submitted, Tests Complete. It's fair to say "submitted" means entered in CODIS. And the UID's DNA is definitely in CODIS.

Therefore, Sheryl is a CODIS rule-out.

carbuff
02-06-2010, 03:05 PM
I had already checked Sheryl's Doe page, and it didn't say anythinhg about DNA, but I should have also checked Sheryl's NamUs profile:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3259/0/

It says DNA Status: Sample Submitted, Tests Complete. It's fair to say "submitted" means entered in CODIS. And the UID's DNA is definitely in CODIS.

Therefore, Sheryl is a CODIS rule-out.

I thought that meant it was submitted for testing, and if it was in CODIS, it said "entered in CODIS"????

CarlK90245
02-06-2010, 03:19 PM
I thought that meant it was submitted for testing, and if it was in CODIS, it said "entered in CODIS"????

You're right - Maybe I shouldn't presume things that aren't as explicitly stated as I would like. I'm making a conscious effort to not cling to theories that get contradicted by closer examination. I've been guilty of that on occasion.

I just wish that they would be more clear about that. If DNA was put into CODIS, they should explicitly say so.

carbuff
02-06-2010, 03:56 PM
I am reminded of the old saying about "assume" makes an "ass" of "u" and "me"... :p Something I do rather often. I'm trying to really look at the evidence, not just the faces (which I'm not very good at) but all the other evidence. It's hard when there's often so little available, but ignoring things isn't good.

Donjeta
02-16-2011, 08:47 AM
https://identifyus.org/cases/1458
The UID's namus page has just one name on the rule out list

Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia

Donjeta
08-06-2011, 07:51 PM
I am confused with Namus info.

Comparing
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html and
https://identifyus.org/cases/1458

Date of discovery, location, height, weight estimates match, more or less. Both agree that the age was 15+ but Namus puts the upper end of the range at 20 and DN at 30 years old. The case numbers given are different. DN says the victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years, so, sometime in the 1970s. Namus says probable year of death was 1980 to 1988. Namus lists fewer clothing items than DN and gives her platform sandal size as 8 1/2, not 6 1/2.

traacker13
08-01-2012, 03:54 PM
I noticed that Michele Reidenbach's chin seems to look pretty similar to this UID's. Her other stats are dead on too.

Michele's stats:

Height: 5'0 - 5'4 - Match
Weight: 110 - 120 lbs - Match
Age: 16 (within age range of 15 - 30) - Match

The timeframe for the estimate is over 10 years. If this was a match, it would be 9 years.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reidenbach_michele.html

kpdx
08-03-2012, 12:45 AM
http://blog.nj.com/deadlysecrets/2007/08/chapter_fifteen.html#incart_mrt

Just read this article about a SK operating in Monmouth County in the 60s/70s, who was convicted of abducting and murdering Rosemary Calandriello: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calandriello_rosemary.html

I would be surprised if Rosemary hadn't already been compared with Monmouth Jane, but the fact that the SK said he had killed Rosemary near Sandy Hook Bay, where Jane was found leaves me scratching my head.

There are some discrepancies, including the shoes, and Rosemary disappeared in 1969 which prior to timeline in DN/Namus...

But what strikes me as a "signature" linking the SK to Jane is the lack of bottoms discovered. On his known victims, this was also case. If there is a link, that would date Jane to pre 1975, when he was incarcerated.

As always, JMHO.

CarlK90245
08-18-2012, 12:30 AM
:bump: to merge

JillyNJ
09-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Khymbrly Marcella Scruggs seems like a possible match. They really need to update the rule outs for this UID on Namus. Its frustrating not knowing with all these possibles. And another thing, about the description of the UID's teeth having significant tooth decay...Can this possibly be due to the elements from sitting and rotting there for 10 years plus??


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2101dfca.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6984/27

kpdx
09-30-2012, 11:36 PM
And another thing, about the description of the UID's teeth having significant tooth decay...Can this possibly be due to the elements from sitting and rotting there for 10 years plus??


Snipped from online article about archaeology and dentistry:

"Teeth decay easily in life, but once death occurs it stops," says Dr Lazer explaining that the bacteria that cause dental decay cannot survive after death.

JillyNJ
10-15-2012, 10:05 PM
Snipped from online article about archaeology and dentistry:

"Teeth decay easily in life, but once death occurs it stops," says Dr Lazer explaining that the bacteria that cause dental decay cannot survive after death.

Good to know. Thank you.

CherBearSTL
10-16-2012, 09:46 AM
Rule-outs listed as:
Patricia Schmidt
Patricia Seelbaugh
Karen Zendrosky

Does anyone have a close-up pic of her dentals?

Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk 2

carbuff
10-17-2012, 10:12 PM
I am confused with Namus info.

Comparing
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html and
https://identifyus.org/cases/1458

Date of discovery, location, height, weight estimates match, more or less. Both agree that the age was 15+ but Namus puts the upper end of the range at 20 and DN at 30 years old. The case numbers given are different. DN says the victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years, so, sometime in the 1970s. Namus says probable year of death was 1980 to 1988. Namus lists fewer clothing items than DN and gives her platform sandal size as 8 1/2, not 6 1/2.

8 1/2 versus 6 1/2 is probably a typo, but the rest is a bit strange. Namus doesn't have the reconstructions, either.

Can somebody who knows how to read dental charts look at the Namus information and tell me how the significant tooth decay is encoded?

JillyNJ
10-17-2012, 11:23 PM
Members of Doe Network earlier in the thread mentioned that Charlotte Jean Loomis and Margaret Ellen Fox were rule-outs, but these girls are not listed on JDs rule out list on Namus. I really wish we had a picture of this small boot with the football scene to view. Someone may recognize it as their own school's team which would help tremendously. Also, I think its pretty safe to say the JD was last seen alive in the summer if she was from the Northeast (NJ), or in a warmer climate state (CA, FL etc) given that she had sandals on and possibly another pair of sandals with her as well (pink thongs). Sometimes the devil is in the details. Im pretty sure this case could be solved soon.

CarlK90245
10-17-2012, 11:31 PM
8 1/2 versus 6 1/2 is probably a typo, but the rest is a bit strange. Namus doesn't have the reconstructions, either.

Can somebody who knows how to read dental charts look at the Namus information and tell me how the significant tooth decay is encoded?

Typically, tooth decay is discussed in the charts. If a tooth is very significantly deteriorated, you would see an "O" on the chart for that tooth, and then elaboration in the comments. You don't have any of that here.

They do have an "A" (antemortem loss) for the lower-left second molar (#18), but that's the only tooth that was lost prior to her death. Seven other teeth (mostly lowers) were lost after her death. She also had fillings in six of the remaining teeth.

carbuff
10-18-2012, 12:06 AM
Typically, tooth decay is discussed in the charts. If a tooth is very significantly deteriorated, you would see an "O" on the chart for that tooth, and then elaboration in the comments. You don't have any of that here.

They do have an "A" (antemortem loss) for the lower-left second molar (#18), but that's the only tooth that was lost prior to her death. Seven other teeth (mostly lowers) were lost after her death. She also had fillings in six of the remaining teeth.

Thanks Carl.

So the chart as posted isn't showing the decay mentioned in the text?

Are we absolutely positive this is the same woman as the doenet UID?

CarlK90245
10-18-2012, 12:41 AM
Thanks Carl.

So the chart as posted isn't showing the decay mentioned in the text?

Are we absolutely positive this is the same woman as the doenet UID?

Yeah, they are likely the same person. They just weren't as detailed in the dental chart as they could have been. That is not uncommon.

carbuff
10-18-2012, 12:51 AM
Yeah, they are likely the same person. They just weren't as detailed in the dental chart as they could have been. That is not uncommon.

Ah, okay. That plus the other discrepancies made me wonder, but it sounds like it's just a case of careless or sketchy data entry.

JillyNJ
10-25-2012, 12:41 AM
Sandra Lee Hopler
Missing since September 29, 1973 from LaPlume, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
Date of Birth: June 8, 1955
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 125 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes. She has a small mole near the left side of her lip and another on her right hand near her thumb. Ears are pierced. Glasses.
Marks/Scars: Small scar in one eyebrow.
Clothing: Burgundy blazer, dark blouse, tan shoulder purse.
DNA: Available
AKA: Sandy


Circumstances of Disappearance
Sandra, a native of Essex County, NJ, was reported missing on September 29, 1973 from Keystone Junior College, where she was a student.

She had told her roommate that she was going to New York City for a visit. She has not been seen nor heard from since.


This girl seems like she could be a possible match. The college she went to did have a football team in 1973. Maybe the small boot with the football scene was some sort of team spirit memorabilia. They reconstruction bears a resemblance.

joeytes
11-20-2012, 11:07 PM
Sandra Lee Hopler
Missing since September 29, 1973 from LaPlume, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
Date of Birth: June 8, 1955
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 125 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes. She has a small mole near the left side of her lip and another on her right hand near her thumb. Ears are pierced. Glasses.
Marks/Scars: Small scar in one eyebrow.
Clothing: Burgundy blazer, dark blouse, tan shoulder purse.
DNA: Available
AKA: Sandy


Circumstances of Disappearance
Sandra, a native of Essex County, NJ, was reported missing on September 29, 1973 from Keystone Junior College, where she was a student.

She had told her roommate that she was going to New York City for a visit. She has not been seen nor heard from since.


This girl seems like she could be a possible match. The college she went to did have a football team in 1973. Maybe the small boot with the football scene was some sort of team spirit memorabilia. They reconstruction bears a resemblance.

The pictures look spot on to me.

I submitted this comparison to the Doe Network for a possible match.

DNA is available for both, a comparison will determine if this is a match or not.

JillyNJ
11-20-2012, 11:35 PM
The pictures look spot on to me.

I submitted this comparison to the Doe Network for a possible match.

DNA is available for both, a comparison will determine if this is a match or not.



Thank you for submitting. Im glad someone else felt strongly enough to take action. I've been down for the count for awhile over here in NJ due to Hurricane Sandy. Please let me know as soon as you hear something.

joeytes
11-21-2012, 10:39 AM
Thank you for submitting. Im glad someone else felt strongly enough to take action. I've been down for the count for awhile over here in NJ due to Hurricane Sandy. Please let me know as soon as you hear something.

I was surprised no one submitted this match. Usually when I submit a match, I get an email saying saying the match has already been submitted. When I submitted this match, I received a reply saying there was no comparison in the doe network database. They will have a look and forward to the authorities.

I will keep you and everyone posted Jilly. It may take a few months to see any results. Keep an eye on the the web page in NAMUS.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1458

If it is a match, the page will be taken down. If it is not a match, the name Sandra Lee Hopler will be in the exclusion list.

OC Lady
03-10-2013, 02:37 PM
Have you received a reply from Doe?

joeytes
03-11-2013, 09:44 AM
Have you received a reply from Doe?

I followed up with Rocky Wells from the Doe Network.

They submitted the match to law enforcement and NAMUS late in December. They have not heard anything back yet.

joeytes
04-03-2013, 10:50 AM
I was surprised no one submitted this match. Usually when I submit a match, I get an email saying saying the match has already been submitted. When I submitted this match, I received a reply saying there was no comparison in the doe network database. They will have a look and forward to the authorities.

I will keep you and everyone posted Jilly. It may take a few months to see any results. Keep an eye on the the web page in NAMUS.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1458

If it is a match, the page will be taken down. If it is not a match, the name Sandra Lee Hopler will be in the exclusion list.

Sandra Hopler was ruled out. She is in the exclusion list.

apearn
12-29-2013, 09:46 PM
Bump - for those with a MP from the 1970's.

DN says: Estimated Date of Death: 1973-1975

Namus says: Probable year of death 1980 to 1988

I'm not familiar with the case so maybe the latter is more accurate. I just found it looking for something else.

carbuff
12-31-2013, 04:52 PM
Ruleouts as of 31 December 2012:

There are now five names on the ruleouts list on Namus https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1458:

Sandra Hopler 1955 Pennsylvania
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Patricia Seelbaugh 1956 Pennsylvania
Sheryl Tillinghast 1956 New York
Karen Zendrosky 1963 New Jersey

This thread also mentions Charlotte Jean Loomis (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1206dfnj.html) and Margaret Ellen Fox (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1206dfnj.html) were ruled out.

Roselvr
07-27-2014, 02:49 PM
I contacted Pamela Reed with the recon. Hopefully she will add it to the NamUs profile (https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1458). Drives me nuts when they have recons but they're not added to NamUs

Jane Doe 1988 NCMEC (http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1106794/1#poster)

carbuff
07-27-2014, 06:23 PM
Ruleouts as of 31 December 2012:

There are now five names on the ruleouts list on Namus https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1458:

Sandra Hopler 1955 Pennsylvania
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Patricia Seelbaugh 1956 Pennsylvania
Sheryl Tillinghast 1956 New York
Karen Zendrosky 1963 New Jersey

This thread also mentions Charlotte Jean Loomis (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1206dfnj.html) and Margaret Ellen Fox (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1206dfnj.html) were ruled out.

Update 27 July 2014: no new names on the ruleouts list.

OC Lady
07-27-2014, 07:16 PM
Has anyone submitted Rosemary Calandreillo as a potential match? I know she disappeared
"öutside" the time frame, but seems like there are enough similarities....

Roselvr
07-27-2014, 08:12 PM
NamUs says the shoes were an 8 1/2 while Doe says 6 1/2.
NamUs says she died 1980-1988 while Doe says 1973 - 1978
Will ask the case worker to clarify when she gets back to me

pamelaleigh
09-11-2014, 02:46 AM
Hi, Roselvr!

I am new to this, having followed you guys for awhile. Did you hear back about the discrepancy between NamUS and Doe? I was following the case from the Doe information.

Roselvr
09-11-2014, 12:51 PM
Hi, Roselvr!

I am new to this, having followed you guys for awhile. Did you hear back about the discrepancy between NamUS and Doe? I was following the case from the Doe information.

Welcome to WS!

No; she has not gotten back to me on a few things I emailed about. She told me she was giving it straight to NJ State Police; yet I have not seen any of the case corrections done.