Possible newspaper articles Missing Persons

[dimples37398]

I have access to proquest newspaper archive search, and was searching this evening for archived newspaper articles just in case there were any missing persons from websites in which the case got deleted somehow.

Or maybe someone missing that didn't have a technical missing persons report filed for them for whatever reason.

I did sleuth around for any follow ups like their remains being found or them being found safe, and ruled out a few that I found. There are still a few that I just can't find anything on. There were no newspaper articles of their remains being found or them being found.

I can't find anything online for them either. Any advice or anyone want to help me start sorting through them somehow?

Kel

[carolwood]

If you could post them, I will help and work from there. Thanks

[Patience]

Post more infomation please and I am sure may will jump on the wagon to help.

[carolwood]

dimples, is it possible to post the date of the article and the paper it came from, thanks

[carolwood]

we want to get something done before the superbowl starts, my husband won't be watching but I will

[dimples37398]

Dale Lezon. Albuquerque Journal. Albuquerque, N.M.: Nov 2, 1996. p. 3 (http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?RQT=318&pmid=39538&TS=1233522760&clientId=72171&VInst=PROD&VName=PQD&VType=PQD)



A northern Taos county search for a man missing since August has turned up no evidence of his whereabouts, a State Police officer said.
A 10-member search-and-rescue team that included a helicopter and "cadaver dogs" scoured a remote area near Amalia in the far northern New Mexico mountains where John Hartenfeld's vehicle was found Oct. 19, 1996.




"The search team has concluded its search and turned up nothing," Sgt. Ted Branch said. "The cadaver dogs went to the spot where the vehicle had been found and then went to a road nearby and stopped. That's where the trail ended."
Branch said the investigation would focus on whether any of Hartenfeld's credit cards have been used, but that he was unaware of reports of such use.




The Santa Fe New Mexican (http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?RQT=318&pmid=39538&TS=1233522760&clientId=72171&VInst=PROD&VName=PQD&VType=PQD). Santa Fe, N.M.: Aug 9, 1996 (http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?RQT=572&VType=PQD&VName=PQD&VInst=PROD&pmid=39538&pcid=1405146&SrchMode=3). pg. A.1

After man didn't return from fishing trip, his credit card was used in Taos
The family of a Santa Fe man missing since Saturday has begun to fear foul play after learning someone used John Hartenfeld's credit card to buy gasoline in Taos, days after he failed to return home from a weekend fishing trip.


Hartenfeld, 46, is an avid fly-fisherman. He last was seen driving his 1996 Toyota 4-Runner toward a fishing spot near Valle Vidal, a friend said earlier this week.

[carolwood]

Terry Johnson remains found:

http://www.cozine.com/archive/cc2004/01290081.html

[dimples37398]

Terry Johnson remains found:

http://www.cozine.com/archive/cc2004/01290081.html


Ok awesome, thanks, I am gonna delete that one to keep the thread as organized as possible......

[carolwood]

Jim Mill's body recovered 10 years later

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2005/09/30/Missing_hikers_body_found_after_10_years/UPI-22831128110337/

[dimples37398]

Jim Mill's body recovered 10 years later

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2005/09/30/Missing_hikers_body_found_after_10_years/UPI-22831128110337/


Ok awesome thanks again, I have a few more to post. I do have one that has a criminal record, but I don't know how long everything would be kept on file, would they still have fingerprints from 1989? Not sure about that one.

[dreamweaver]

Ok awesome thanks again, I have a few more to post. I do have one that has a criminal record, but I don't know how long everything would be kept on file, would they still have fingerprints from 1989? Not sure about that one.
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Am I missing something here? I only see two names. ??

[dreamweaver]

On another note, I spent time yesterday trying different search engines for missing man, 2004. I found more than have been posted, but for one reason or another, they were not right.
Still.

[carolwood]

Dream, he may have deleted them? The only one I couldn't find anything on was the one still on the board above, John Hartenfeld. I yahooed and googled, nothing came up for me.

[dreamweaver]

Dream, he may have deleted them? The only one I couldn't find anything on was the one still on the board above, John Hartenfeld. I yahooed and googled, nothing came up for me.
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John Hartenfeld.? All right. I will give it a try.

[dreamweaver]

http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=HARTENFELD&searchState=NM&searchCity=Santa%20Fe&searchFName=JOHN&adID=619200D752&adsource=9&TID=0&cid=people&searchtab=people

John Hartenfeld, age 58, white pages. I do not know. But he fits the age range.
Will continue to look.

[RKnowley]

It is possible this is John Hartenfeld listed in the Social Security Death Index. Of course, this doesn't prove that John Hartenfeld actually died only that someone filed to claim his benefits. We still don't know if his body was actually found.

Name:J. C. Hartenfeld
SSN:xxx-xx-xxxx
Born:2 Jul 1950
Died:Aug 1996
State (Year) SSN issued:California (1966)

[believe09]

It is possible this is John Hartenfeld listed in the Social Security Death Index. Of course, this doesn't prove that John Hartenfeld actually died only that someone filed to claim his benefits. We still don't know if his body was actually found.

Name:J. C. Hartenfeld
SSN:xxx-xx-xxxx
Born:2 Jul 1950
Died:Aug 1996
State (Year) SSN issued:California (1966)

If he went missing in 96, wouldn't it be hard to have him declared dead the same year unless there was a body or some proof?

If I have someone declared dead 7 years after they go missing, is their DOD their missing date or the date I have them declared dead??

[dreamweaver]

John C Hartenfeld:
http://164.64.161.58/contact.php
I could not find an obituary. I checked NM for Sgt. Ted Branch. That name appears in NM state police. I found their cold case section on NM website.
I emailed a cold case detective asking if Mr Hartenfeld's case either solved or if classified as still missing. Will post results.
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John C. Hartenfeld: I found a John Curly Hartenfeld, white pages,
searched John Hartenfeld: John Hartenfeld (http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/ala/category.do?cid=5105&did=&searchtab=people&searchFName=John&searchMName=&searchLName=Hartenfeld&searchPerson=001072753643)
John C Hartenfeld
John Curley Hartenfeld
J Hartenfeld
J C Hartenfeld
58
http://static.ussearch.com/images/teaser/campaigns/grn_check.gif http://static.ussearch.com/images/teaser/campaigns/grn_check.gif Mckinleyville , CA
Santa Fe , NM
Woodbridge , CA
Stockton , CA
Lodi , CA
Trinidad , CA
Santa Clara , CA
Martinez , CA
Santa Cruz , CA
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Also, an Interesting newspaper online: Taos Daily: Horse Fly:
http://www.taosdaily.com/index.php?fuseaction=home.viewarticle&article_id=2337
It lists deaths and missing people.

[carolwood]

Good job dream, I will checked the obits at ancestry, RK has checked the SSN, nothing.

[RKnowley]

I just haven't found the "proof" that John Hartenfeld's body was found. It most likely was found if that is actually him in the SSDI. UNLESS...there was enough cause for LE to believe that John had met with foul play or if someone was arrested for murdering him. I still would like to find an article or an obituary on him.

I was trying to figure out if someone were declared dead what date of death would be used and it seems like it would be the date they were declared dead..for example, Steve Fossett went missing September 3, 2007 and in the SSDI his date of death is listed as October 2, 2008.

ETA: I believe Steve Fossett's information in the SSDI must have been amended. The date of death listed in the SSDI is Oct 2, 2008. I believe that is the date his "body" was found. He was declared dead in February of 2008.

Here is his listing in the SSDI:

Name:James Stephen Fossett
SSN:xxx-xx-xxxx
Last Residence:
Born:22 Apr 1944
Died:2 Oct 2008
State (Year) SSN issued:California (1959)

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If he went missing in 96, wouldn't it be hard to have him declared dead the same year unless there was a body or some proof?

If I have someone declared dead 7 years after they go missing, is their DOD their missing date or the date I have them declared dead??

[carolwood]

Thanks Rk, I was wondering that too.

[dreamweaver]

Per Captain Scott Weaver, NM state police:
Mr. John Hartenfeld is still entered as a missing person out of the Raton State Police.

Captain Scott Weaver
South Zone Investigations Commander
505-469- "Cell"
505-827- "Office"
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I heard back from Capt. Weaver.

[carolwood]

Per Captain Scott Weaver, NM state police:
Mr. John Hartenfeld is still entered as a missing person out of the Raton State Police.

Captain Scott Weaver
South Zone Investigations Commander
505-469- "Cell"
505-827- "Office"
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I heard back from Capt. Weaver.


Dream, what about a photo of Mr. Hartenfeld?

[dimples37398]

I have searched tons of places for a photo and haven't been able to find one. I did find his description in an article, which is 6'0 200lbs brown hair hazel eyes.

I also found his daughter on myspace but do not and will not contact her as she is only 21 years old and it is all probably always very confusing and fresh in her mind.

Her name is listed on veromi, as well as his wife, if you search his name. In the articles it states his wife and her family were from california and it is the same town listed on veromi still.

Kel

[carolwood]

I would think LE would have a photo.

[dimples37398]

I think I am driving myself insane with this brainstorming...lol.....

Ok I came up with something which is prolly nothing, but I couldn't forgive myself if it turned out to be something and I did nothing.


Ok I was searching through articles, about men whom had been determined legally dead through the court system, and it came up with a woman who has since wrote a book about it called Waiting to surface. You can google it, to read about it.

There are a few photos posted of her husband and his name is or was George Dudding. One of the articles I read does say that George Duddings Dentals are suppose to be in the FBI database I think. But if someone lose quite a bit of teeth would that still be valid?

Oh and this man was 45 at the time of his disappearance in I believe 1999. The only thing I can see difference is that from articles which is all I can find, he was around 6'2 give or take. Would he have shrunk 3 inches in around 6-7 years? The detective investigating the George Dudding case did not believe in his opinion that George was dead.

Kel

[dimples37398]

Here are the only photos I could find, and they are pretty small, they are the biggest I could find though.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=5921

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=5922

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=712&pictureid=5920

[carolwood]

I don't know how well this picture will come out, it is a crop of Dudding

1923

[dreamweaver]

Dream, what about a photo of Mr. Hartenfeld?
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re: John Hartenfeld:
I looked up Raton, NM. Their website appears very new. There is no link to missing persons, etc.
I did email the only email contact listed.
I also emailed Capt. Weaver again, asking for a physical description and/or a picture.
Will post when I have information.

[dreamweaver]

I think I am driving myself insane with this brainstorming...lol.....

Ok I came up with something which is prolly nothing, but I couldn't forgive myself if it turned out to be something and I did nothing.


Ok I was searching through articles, about men whom had been determined legally dead through the court system, and it came up with a woman who has since wrote a book about it called Waiting to surface. You can google it, to read about it.

There are a few photos posted of her husband and his name is or was George Dudding. One of the articles I read does say that George Duddings Dentals are suppose to be in the FBI database I think. But if someone lose quite a bit of teeth would that still be valid?

Oh and this man was 45 at the time of his disappearance in I believe 1999. The only thing I can see difference is that from articles which is all I can find, he was around 6'2 give or take. Would he have shrunk 3 inches in around 6-7 years? The detective investigating the George Dudding case did not believe in his opinion that George was dead.

Kel
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http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articlerb.aspx?cp-documentid=8319152
George D was depressed over a slumping career as a sculptor. He was suicidal. He left a drawing about drowning. The ocean was rough that night. He was declared legally dead 7 yrs later.

[dreamweaver]

I think I am driving myself insane with this brainstorming...lol.....

Ok I came up with something which is prolly nothing, but I couldn't forgive myself if it turned out to be something and I did nothing.


Ok I was searching through articles, about men whom had been determined legally dead through the court system, and it came up with a woman who has since wrote a book about it called Waiting to surface. You can google it, to read about it.

There are a few photos posted of her husband and his name is or was George Dudding. One of the articles I read does say that George Duddings Dentals are suppose to be in the FBI database I think. But if someone lose quite a bit of teeth would that still be valid?

Oh and this man was 45 at the time of his disappearance in I believe 1999. The only thing I can see difference is that from articles which is all I can find, he was around 6'2 give or take. Would he have shrunk 3 inches in around 6-7 years? The detective investigating the George Dudding case did not believe in his opinion that George was dead.

Kel
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IMO: I do not think George D would shrink three inches, 6'2'' to 5'11''
in five years.
If George D was 45 then, he would now be almost 55.

[dimples37398]

I didn't know for sure if he could shrink, but figured between little discrepancies in the original height reporting and then the height report at the time he was found. Also I didn't find any official height weight listing, it was just a little remark by someone in one of the articles.

Also the detective did say that the guy was an artist and that the painting/drawing was art and that he didn't get the feeling of it meaning anymore than that.

Although the detective surely didn't know him as well as his wife, I just wonder why he would go all the way to Florida to kill himself in the ocean??

Also I haven't heard of many people comitting suicide by walking in the ocean...Jumping from bridges maybe..

[dreamweaver]

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re: John Hartenfeld:
I looked up Raton, NM. Their website appears very new. There is no link to missing persons, etc.
I did email the only email contact listed.
I also emailed Capt. Weaver again, asking for a physical description and/or a picture.
Will post when I have information.
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yep, quoting myself: trying to keep information together about one person.
John Hartenfeld:
Capt. Weaver, NN state police now wants to know why I am asking for description or picture. I now have to explain the whole
researching for Benjaman Kyle, on forum, websleuthers and give him info. and links and all of that. I think he will respond again shortly.