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Drivenon
02-07-2009, 09:46 PM
I have a request for a chart for a missing and endangered person that may be a victim of foul play. Sadly, this young man also has some developmental disabilities and medication needs immediately if he is alive. Do I have to provide his name or can I just give the birthdate and time of birth?

I am fine to post his name and circumstances, etc after reviewing the chart with the family first. Thanks in advance.

In the event this is ok:
8/3/86 at 8:14am

Soulscape
02-07-2009, 10:26 PM
I have a request for a chart for a missing and endangered person that may be a victim of foul play. Sadly, this young man also has some developmental disabilities and medication needs immediately if he is alive. Do I have to provide his name or can I just give the birthdate and time of birth?

I am fine to post his name and circumstances, etc after reviewing the chart with the family first. Thanks in advance.

In the event this is ok:
8/3/86 at 8:14am

Hi Drivenon,

You don't have to post the person's name. We need his place of birth (you only provided the date and time) and the date/time/place he was LAST SEEN as well as date/time/place of POLICE REPORT (reported missing to police) and by whom.

It also would be helpful to have a synopsis of what happened --- what led up to his disappearance.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-08-2009, 02:12 AM
Hi Drivenon,

You don't have to post the person's name. We need his place of birth (you only provided the date and time) and the date/time/place he was LAST SEEN as well as date/time/place of POLICE REPORT (reported missing to police) and by whom.

It also would be helpful to have a synopsis of what happened --- what led up to his disappearance.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Thanks Soulscape.
He was born in Durango, Co.

TIA


I can't tell you who saw him last, but I can tell you from the police records the last facts.. The "what led up to" Im going to need to be intentionally vague. Will it suffice to say that some shady characters befriended him, but at this juncture, no evidence implicates any of them. I have this info, I am assuming a chart is going to tell me if I need to dig deeper for you.

Last known contact on 1/5/09 at 10:24am on his cell phone. By 10:54am, his phone was powered off.
There is reason to believe he was targeted because of his disability, a key date will be 12/18/08.

Soulscape
02-08-2009, 09:13 AM
Thanks Soulscape.
He was born in Durango, Co.

TIA


I can't tell you who saw him last, but I can tell you from the police records the last facts.. The "what led up to" Im going to need to be intentionally vague. Will it suffice to say that some shady characters befriended him, but at this juncture, no evidence implicates any of them. I have this info, I am assuming a chart is going to tell me if I need to dig deeper for you.

Last known contact on 1/5/09 at 10:24am on his cell phone. By 10:54am, his phone was powered off.
There is reason to believe he was targeted because of his disability, a key date will be 12/18/08.

Hello Drivenon,

Please clarify / correct if necessary:

1. Born 8/3/1986 at 8:14 am, Durango, Colorado

2. LAST HEARD 1/5/2009 at 10:24 am (cell phone), [insert place LAST HEARD]

3. Cell phone powered off 1/5/2009 at 10:54 am, [insert place powered off]

4. KEY DATE 12/18/2008 [insert location]

5. Was a Police Report filed? Date/ time/ place/ & by whom, please?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-08-2009, 07:23 PM
Hello Drivenon,

Please clarify / correct if necessary:

1. Born 8/3/1986 at 8:14 am, Durango, Colorado

2. LAST HEARD 1/5/2009 at 10:24 am (cell phone), unknown as to place, believed to be at his home via cell phone contact based on a facebook request he sent somoen else to invite to gaming. He was alone from 8:30am that morning

3. Cell phone powered off 1/5/2009 at 10:54 am, unknown]

4. KEY DATE 12/18/2008 his home. Do you need an address?

5. Was a Police Report filed? Date/ time/ place/ & by whom, please?
Yes, by his Mother. It was filed January 6 approximately 10 am with the Co Springs Police Department when his Mother worried and called the friend's house he said he was going to, and the friend told her he was never there.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Let me know what else you need

beckaroozie
02-08-2009, 07:26 PM
Soulscape probably needs at least City and State for coordinates on the chart Drivenon. :)

Drivenon
02-08-2009, 07:54 PM
Soulscape probably needs at least City and State for coordinates on the chart Drivenon. :)

Colorado Springs, CO 80919

sorry, novice here.

Soulscape
02-08-2009, 09:08 PM
Colorado Springs, CO 80919

sorry, novice here.


OK, so he was born in Durango CO, currently lives in Colorado Springs CO (home) and police report was filed Colorado Springs CO.

Is this correct??

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-08-2009, 09:39 PM
OK, so he was born in Durango CO, currently lives in Colorado Springs CO (home) and police report was filed Colorado Springs CO.

Is this correct??

Thanks,
Soulscape

yes. exactly. Not sure if you need to know this or not, but his Dad still lives in Durango.

Drivenon
02-08-2009, 09:45 PM
OK, so he was born in Durango CO, currently lives in Colorado Springs CO (home) and police report was filed Colorado Springs CO.

Is this correct??

Thanks,
Soulscape

Hold the Presses, do you need to know when the police were called to the home regarding the potential Jason went missing, or when the actual Missing Person's Report was filed, in this case, they are 2 different dates based on the circumstances and his age. Also, do you need the MP number?

Soulscape
02-08-2009, 10:06 PM
Hold the Presses, do you need to know when the police were called to the home regarding the potential Jason went missing, or when the actual Missing Person's Report was filed, in this case, they are 2 different dates based on the circumstances and his age. Also, do you need the MP number?

I need the date/time/place the Missing Persons Report was filed with police and by whom --- you have given me Tuesday 1/6/09, 10:00 am, Colorado Springs, CO, filed by Mother. Is this correct?

I do not need MP number.

ETA: Also, you say the person has some developmental disabilities --- this may be politically incorrect, but I understand that term to mean *mentally retarded.* Is that correct?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-08-2009, 11:21 PM
I need the date/time/place the Missing Persons Report was filed with police and by whom --- you have given me Tuesday 1/6/09, 10:00 am, Colorado Springs, CO, filed by Mother. Is this correct?

I do not need MP number.

ETA: Also, you say the person has some developmental disabilities --- this may be politically incorrect, but I understand that term to mean *mentally retarded.* Is that correct?

Thanks,
Soulscape
Thanks for being patient with me. I was reviewing the records and needed clarification from Mom.

Ok
Brother talked Mom into waiting 1 day before filing a MP report because of his age while they looked themselves and went through the friends..

Here's what you need:

The Police report was filed by Mom at 6:10PM on 01/07/09 at Gold Hill Regional Police, 705 S. Nevada, Colorado Springs, CO.

He has a few issues, rheumatoid in nature, but I am referrring to his Klinefelters disease, a derivative of asbergers, a spectrum disorder under the unbrella of autism. One of his tendancies was the inability to tell good people from bad ones. On sight you would not know immediately that he had any challenges, but you would after speaking with him, although not necessarily it's origin. He is 6'6" tall, very lanky build at 175 lbs with reddish hair and blue eyes. Will that do? Thank you Soulscape.
Once we have a chart and I review with the family, to the extent I am able I will post my findings thus far to see a "real-time study" in an active case . I have a theory and I am anxious to see if I am on the right path. I do not pretend to know much about your work except that the cases that I have seen you and your colleagues present that has specific information are accurate. Freaks me out, yes. Allows me to take it seriously, yes.

Soulscape
02-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Out of respect and sensitivity to the family, for the time being I will not name this young man, but for the purpose of discussing the astrological charts in this case, I will call him Durango.

Durango is a 22 year old young man who lives with his mother and brother. He suffers from developmental disabilities that make him child-like. According to news reports, he has the mentality of a 12 - 14 year old.

On January 5, 2009 at 10:24 am, he apparently called his mother and told her he was going to visit a friend. By 10:54 am, his cell phone had been powered off. When the mother returned home from work approx. 4:15 pm, Durango was not there. After several more hours of trying to track him down, the mother filed a police report on January 7, 2009 at 6:10 pm. As of today (2/9/09), Durango has not returned home and has not been located.


We will begin by looking at four charts and try to determine, from an astrological perspective, what may have happened:

1. LAST HEARD 1/5/09, 10:24 am

2. CELL PHONE POWERED OFF 1/5/09, 10:54 am

3. MOM RETURNS HOME 1/5/09, 4:15 pm

4. POLICE REPORT FILED 1/7/09, 6:10 pm

I will give you the links to the charts and begin posting analysis later this evening.

Thank you for you patience,
Soulscape

beckaroozie
02-09-2009, 09:51 PM
Soulscape thank you for all you do. We all understand that you have responsibilities in real life and we appreciate that you manage to share your time with us as well. Thank you - thank you - thank you :blowkiss:

I agree the Durango case is a more immediate need than BK or the others, as it is still fresh and he could be in imminent danger, if something hasn't already happened to him. He's also disabled and unable to help himself, so I appreciate that you've taken the time to do his charts first. I'm sure his family will be grateful as well.

Please take your time and post when you have the opportunity. :) We love you no matter if you have time to do them or not. Thanks for the update on the cases.

(((hugs)))
Beck

Soulscape
02-10-2009, 12:42 AM
Please see charts:

1. Durango Natal

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/DurangoNatal.gif

2. LAST HEARD

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/LastHeard.gif


3. CELL PHONE POWERED OFF

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/CellPhonePoweredOff.gif


On the LAST HEARD chart, Pisces, sign of victimization rises with URANUS planet of sudden changes conjunct. In light of known circumstances, i.e., Durango's disappearance, this immediately tells me Durango is soon to be suddenly (URANUS) victimized.

He is signified by traditional ruler of 1st House, JUPITER, here at 00:01 Aquarius located in the 11th House of Friends. JUPITER (Durango) is partile (exact degree) square the MOON, his co-ruler, in the security-driven sign of Taurus. This shows Durango's comfort level/ security (Taurus) is soon to be disrupted (URANUS rising) by someone he believes to be a friend (JUPITER in House 11 of Friends).

JUPITER (Durango) is closely inconjunct (150 degrees) MISFORTUNE* showing bad luck and semi-sextile (30 degrees) PLUTO of complications. PLUTO is exactly opposite MISFORTUNE* and also conjunct MARS, a violence marker. MISFORTUNE at 01:29 Cancer sextiles MOON, so all these planets are tied together.

*Note: when Part of Fortune is located in the 4th, 8th or 12th House, it becomes the Part of MISfortune.

Also note URANUS of circumstances outside of one's control / sudden changes is opposite SATURN just inside the 7th House. SATURN is the ruler of 11th House of Friends and House 12 of Imprisonment/ Misfortune, Loss & Woe. Since SATURN is in mutual reception with MERCURY, Lord 7, I sense the friend is older (SATURN) than Durango. Because SATURN is retrograde, I sense the friend has a hidden agenda.

Notice all the angles --- ASC / DSC / Midheaven / IC --- are mutable. This suggests the situation changes quickly and with URANUS rising, unpredictably.

Durango's cell phone was powered off at 10:54 am (see chart). Pisces still rises but notice URANUS is now in House 12 opposite SATURN Rx in House 6. This suggests an undercover action, or that something is brewing and hasn't quite yet come to the surface.

At 10:54 am, JUPITER (Durango) is still in the 11th House of Friends conjunct MERCURY, Lord 7, the friend. Regardless of what the friend later told the mother, this placement confirms Durango did in fact go to a friend's house. What is not certain is whether he went to the friend's house he told his mother he was going to, or whether he went to another friend's house.

By 4:15 pm, the mother had returned home from work.

See chart here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/MomReturnsHome.gif

Cancer rises, ruled by the MOON, intercepted in the 11th House of Friends. Durango has been *detained* (intercepted). MOON (Durango) is square the NODES and sesquiquadrate (135 degrees) SATURN Rx, the *friend* from the LAST HEARD and CELL PHONE POWERED OFF charts. Interestingly, in this MOM COMES HOME chart, Capricorn is on House 7 making SATURN Rx the significator of the person responsible for detaining Durango.

Now in this chart, Aries rules House 11 making MARS Lord 11. MARS conjoins PLUTO of complications and both trine MOON (Durango). It is easy (trine) for Durango (MOON) to be manipulated/ bullied by this friend or friends. Because I note MOON (Durango) making aspects both to SATURN Rx and to MARS/PLUTO, there may be more than one person detaining (MOON intercepted in Taurus in 11th House) Durango. Whoever this person or persons are, they are mean, bullies and users (MARS/PLUTO, SATURN Rx) and they are taking advantage of him in some way.

In addition to being Lord 7, SATURN is traditional ruler of 8th House of Death. Since MOON (Durango) is sesquiquadrate SATURN, he is in danger whether he is aware of it or not. That a crisis is at hand is amplified by MOON (Durango) square NODES.

Another disturbing element of the three charts (LAST HEARD, CELL PHONE POWERED OFF, MOM RETURNS HOME) is Event chart SUN is applying opposite Durango's natal MOON and by the time of the MOM RETURNS HOME chart, the aspect is exact. This again underlines a crisis situation for Durango.

===============

I won't leave you completely hanging here. The POLICE REPORT chart gives more testimony of crisis but I hold out hope Durango was still alive at the time the mother filed it. I will discuss that chart in more detail in the next day or two, after I've had time to give it more study.

What disturbs me greatly is the amount of time that has elapsed since filing the police report on 1/7/09 --- now well over a month, especially since Durango apparently functions at the level of a young adolescent. It is hard to imagine how a person of his description --- exceptionally tall with remarkable features --- would go unnoticed if he were in fact wandering about the area. It is equally hard to imagine what motive the *friend* or *friends* might have for keeping Durango in captivity, if that is in fact the case.

If anyone has comments or insights, please feel free to post them.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-10-2009, 01:44 PM
Please see charts:

1. Durango Natal

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/DurangoNatal.gif

2. LAST HEARD

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/LastHeard.gif


3. CELL PHONE POWERED OFF

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/CellPhonePoweredOff.gif


On the LAST HEARD chart, Pisces, sign of victimization rises with URANUS planet of sudden changes conjunct. In light of known circumstances, i.e., Durango's disappearance, this immediately tells me Durango is soon to be suddenly (URANUS) victimized.

He is signified by traditional ruler of 1st House, JUPITER, here at 00:01 Aquarius located in the 11th House of Friends. JUPITER (Durango) is partile (exact degree) square the MOON, his co-ruler, in the security-driven sign of Taurus. This shows Durango's comfort level/ security (Taurus) is soon to be disrupted (URANUS rising) by someone he believes to be a friend (JUPITER in House 11 of Friends).

JUPITER (Durango) is closely inconjunct (150 degrees) MISFORTUNE* showing bad luck and semi-sextile (30 degrees) PLUTO of complications. PLUTO is exactly opposite MISFORTUNE* and also conjunct MARS, a violence marker. MISFORTUNE at 01:29 Cancer sextiles MOON, so all these planets are tied together.

*Note: when Part of Fortune is located in the 4th, 8th or 12th House, it becomes the Part of MISfortune.

Also note URANUS of circumstances outside of one's control / sudden changes is opposite SATURN just inside the 7th House. SATURN is the ruler of 11th House of Friends and House 12 of Imprisonment/ Misfortune, Loss & Woe. Since SATURN is in mutual reception with MERCURY, Lord 7, I sense the friend is older (SATURN) than Durango. Because SATURN is retrograde, I sense the friend has a hidden agenda.

Notice all the angles --- ASC / DSC / Midheaven / IC --- are mutable. This suggests the situation changes quickly and with URANUS rising, unpredictably.

Durango's cell phone was powered off at 10:54 am (see chart). Pisces still rises but notice URANUS is now in House 12 opposite SATURN Rx in House 6. This suggests an undercover action, or that something is brewing and hasn't quite yet come to the surface.

At 10:54 am, JUPITER (Durango) is still in the 11th House of Friends conjunct MERCURY, Lord 7, the friend. Regardless of what the friend later told the mother, this placement confirms Durango did in fact go to a friend's house. What is not certain is whether he went to the friend's house he told his mother he was going to, or whether he went to another friend's house.

By 4:15 pm, the mother had returned home from work.

See chart here:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Durango/MomReturnsHome.gif

Cancer rises, ruled by the MOON, intercepted in the 11th House of Friends. Durango has been *detained* (intercepted). MOON (Durango) is square the NODES and sesquiquadrate (135 degrees) SATURN Rx, the *friend* from the LAST HEARD and CELL PHONE POWERED OFF charts. Interestingly, in this MOM COMES HOME chart, Capricorn is on House 7 making SATURN Rx the significator of the person responsible for detaining Durango.

Now in this chart, Aries rules House 11 making MARS Lord 11. MARS conjoins PLUTO of complications and both trine MOON (Durango). It is easy (trine) for Durango (MOON) to be manipulated/ bullied by this friend or friends. Because I note MOON (Durango) making aspects both to SATURN Rx and to MARS/PLUTO, there may be more than one person detaining (MOON intercepted in Taurus in 11th House) Durango. Whoever this person or persons are, they are mean, bullies and users (MARS/PLUTO, SATURN Rx) and they are taking advantage of him in some way.

In addition to being Lord 7, SATURN is traditional ruler of 8th House of Death. Since MOON (Durango) is sesquiquadrate SATURN, he is in danger whether he is aware of it or not. That a crisis is at hand is amplified by MOON (Durango) square NODES.

Another disturbing element of the three charts (LAST HEARD, CELL PHONE POWERED OFF, MOM RETURNS HOME) is Event chart SUN is applying opposite Durango's natal MOON and by the time of the MOM RETURNS HOME chart, the aspect is exact. This again underlines a crisis situation for Durango.

===============

I won't leave you completely hanging here. The POLICE REPORT chart gives more testimony of crisis but I hold out hope Durango was still alive at the time the mother filed it. I will discuss that chart in more detail in the next day or two, after I've had time to give it more study.

What disturbs me greatly is the amount of time that has elapsed since filing the police report on 1/7/09 --- now well over a month, especially since Durango apparently functions at the level of a young adolescent. It is hard to imagine how a person of his description --- exceptionally tall with remarkable features --- would go unnoticed if he were in fact wandering about the area. It is equally hard to imagine what motive the *friend* or *friends* might have for keeping Durango in captivity, if that is in fact the case.

If anyone has comments or insights, please feel free to post them.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, first, thank you; I am going to work on this tomorrow afternoon.
I did not see the link for the police report filed, though.

Preliminarily, your charts concur with undisclosed info and will comment more when I am able.

Drivenon
02-11-2009, 02:40 PM
Soulscape and Friends,

Forgive me in advance for trying to work through this as a novice, giving it a whirl:

Is it possible that the *friends* groups you are seeing of Durangos are two distinct and seperate from who was "bullying and using him" vs. who might be with him now? In other words, in this scenario where you indicate this person is older than Durango, is that not one of the other friend

Soulscape
02-11-2009, 11:40 PM
Soulscape and Friends,

Forgive me in advance for trying to work through this as a novice, giving it a whirl:

Is it possible that the *friends* groups you are seeing of Durangos are two distinct and seperate from who was "bullying and using him" vs. who might be with him now? In other words, in this scenario where you indicate this person is older than Durango, is that not one of the other friend

The charts suggest *friends* (plural). This could mean two or more friends or two or more groups of friends. I cannot distinguish which it might be.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-12-2009, 12:58 AM
The charts suggest *friends* (plural). This could mean two or more friends or two or more groups of friends. I cannot distinguish which it might be.

Thanks,
Soulscape
Understood. Is there any data I could give to help with that, or is it "it is what it is"..

My info makes them seperate and distinct, not sayin it is correct, just trying to drill it down.

beckaroozie
02-12-2009, 01:02 AM
Drivenon it looked to me like she said one friend originally lured him and then another joined that person and helped detain him? That's what I got out of reading her interpretation anyway. Maybe ONE of your suspects is the guilty party and he had a friend(s) of HIS help him?

Drivenon
02-12-2009, 01:23 AM
Drivenon it looked to me like she said one friend originally lured him and then another joined that person and helped detain him? That's what I got out of reading her interpretation anyway. Maybe ONE of your suspects is the guilty party and he had a friend(s) of HIS help him?

Errr.
How do I posture my question?

What if the set of bad guys have been bad, and, another *friend* sees this as an opportunity to "help him"? Appearing as a friend, saving him from one danger, and back in the fire he goes, by this *friend* , without any "knowledge" from him?

beckaroozie
02-12-2009, 06:05 AM
I'll use an old 'southernism' for that one "Out of the fryin pan into the fire?"

Poor Durango!

What if maybe the first group of friends pertained to the 18th key date, which Soul hasn't had a chance to address yet? Perhaps Durango was under duress from that group of *friends* at that time, and then the perp (who may or may not be involoved in the original group) says 'Sure Buddy - come on over and I'll help you figure out how to get out of this situation'. But he had been thinking -- hey maybe this guy is such an easy mark, maybe I'll use him myself that way instead?

I have a question -- what do you think the motivation was for this person or all of these people to want to hurt Durango? Did he have something they wanted? Money? Something else? Or did they just get their jollies from harrassing someone incapapble of defending himself?

Soulscape
02-12-2009, 10:04 AM
Errr.
How do I posture my question?

What if the set of bad guys have been bad, and, another *friend* sees this as an opportunity to "help him"? Appearing as a friend, saving him from one danger, and back in the fire he goes, by this *friend* , without any "knowledge" from him?


Drivenon,

The forensic astrologer is hampered when certain pertinent facts of the case are hidden and/or disguised for whatever reason, including privacy. When this occurs, the astrologer is set up to see if s/he can guess. I am not accusing you of doing this but I want to make it perfectly clear that the more facts we have the more likely we will come to the right conclusions through study of the charts.

Case in point: Caylee Anthony. We had timelines, cell phone pings, document dumps, etc. etc. I realize much of that is not available in Durango's situation, however, the charts must be read in light of the circumstances and the person.

Durango's significator detained (intercepted) in the 11th House of Friends fits the circumstances, as we know he spoke to his mother, telling her he was going to visit a friend. The 11th house placement in three charts (LAST HEARD, CELL POWERED OFF, MOM COMES HOME) tells me he did in fact go the friend's house and the interception of his significator in MOM COMES HOME chart tells me he was detained there.

If there is information concerning the friend(s) that is pertinent to this case, we should have it. If birth data for these friend(s) can be provided, we should have it. All names can be disguised and charts provided without times & locations, but I can only work with what I have. If you want my assistance, you need to open up with me. You can PM me if you don't feel comfortable posting certain information to this thread. If you choose not to proceed with this, no hard feelings.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-12-2009, 10:21 AM
Drivenon,

The forensic astrologer is hampered when certain pertinent facts of the case are hidden and/or disguised for whatever reason, including privacy. When this occurs, the astrologer is set up to see if s/he can guess. I am not accusing you of doing this but I want to make it perfectly clear that the more facts we have the more likely we will come to the right conclusions through study of the charts.

Case in point: Caylee Anthony. We had timelines, cell phone pings, document dumps, etc. etc. I realize much of that is not available in Durango's situation, however, the charts must be read in light of the circumstances and the person.

Durango's significator detained (intercepted) in the 11th House of Friends fits the circumstances, as we know he spoke to his mother, telling her he was going to visit a friend. The 11th house placement in three charts (LAST HEARD, CELL POWERED OFF, MOM COMES HOME) tells me he did in fact go the friend's house and the interception of his significator in MOM COMES HOME chart tells me he was detained there.

If there is information concerning the friend(s) that is pertinent to this case, we should have it. If birth data for these friend(s) can be provided, we should have it. All names can be disguised and charts provided without times & locations, but I can only work with what I have. If you want my assistance, you need to open up with me. You can PM me if you don't feel comfortable posting certain information to this thread. If you choose not to proceed with this, no hard feelings.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, I completely understand and respect your post. Please know I am very new to forensic astrology so if I seem to be keeping things out, it is mostly because I have limited understanding of the big picture here, and of course this is an active case with as yet unamed persons of interest, and obviously we are concerned about Durango's well being if he is being detained against his will.

beckaroozie
02-12-2009, 11:40 AM
Drivenon -- by the way, I am NOT an astrologer, have no knowledge of how to read or interpret charts. I was only speculating with you to try and help you figure something out. :) Just wanted to clarify.

Soulscape thank you so so much for your hard work on the charts on Durango. They were thorough and insightful with the information you have. I'm sure they're going to help them move forward with the case. You're the best ma'am...thanks again! :)

Drivenon
02-12-2009, 01:08 PM
I'll use an old 'southernism' for that one "Out of the fryin pan into the fire?"

Poor Durango!

What if maybe the first group of friends pertained to the 18th key date, which Soul hasn't had a chance to address yet? Perhaps Durango was under duress from that group of *friends* at that time, and then the perp (who may or may not be involoved in the original group) says 'Sure Buddy - come on over and I'll help you figure out how to get out of this situation'. But he had been thinking -- hey maybe this guy is such an easy mark, maybe I'll use him myself that way instead?

I have a question -- what do you think the motivation was for this person or all of these people to want to hurt Durango? Did he have something they wanted? Money? Something else? Or did they just get their jollies from harrassing someone incapapble of defending himself?

I think that is very close to the case, but is speculative at this point. Now that I have read through this more thoroughly, I am going to put something I had not thought of thanks alot for your patience while stumble all over the place here till I get my bearings.

Drivenon
02-15-2009, 03:23 PM
just stopping in to say I have been asked to "hold" on putting anything else out there temporarily, when I can, I will probably PM Soulscape and let her decide as the expert how to present it, I did not want you to think I the case is inactive.

Soulscape
02-15-2009, 03:36 PM
just stopping in to say I have been asked to "hold" on putting anything else out there temporarily, when I can, I will probably PM Soulscape and let her decide as the expert how to present it, I did not want you to think I the case is inactive.

Thanks for the update, Drivenon. I was wondering what was going on here. FWIW, the family is not helping Durango by keeping things so hush-hush. Astrologers aside, there are excellent sleuths on Websleuths who could be instrumental in solving this sad situation if they only had more facts and input to go on.

JMO.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-15-2009, 03:39 PM
Thanks for the update, Drivenon. I was wondering what was going on here. FWIW, the family is not helping Durango by keeping things so hush-hush. Astrologers aside, there are excellent sleuths on Websleuths who could be instrumental in solving this sad situation if they only had more facts and input to go on.

JMO.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Normally I would completely agree and I think that may change in the next week. Did you ever post the Police report link?

Soulscape
02-15-2009, 05:51 PM
Normally I would completely agree and I think that may change in the next week. Did you ever post the Police report link?


I haven't.

Wasn't there another date/time/place you initially gave as important maybe the day before this police report?

Here, I found it: Tuesday 1/6/09, 10:00 am, Colorado Springs, CO

What does this signify? What happened at this date/time/place?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-15-2009, 08:42 PM
I haven't.

Wasn't there another date/time/place you initially gave as important maybe the day before this police report?

Here, I found it: Tuesday 1/6/09, 10:00 am, Colorado Springs, CO

What does this signify? What happened at this date/time/place?

Thanks,
Soulscape


It is the approximate time the Mom called the friend that Durango was supposed to have been visiting, to check on him. She was told at that time he was not there, and had not been.

Soulscape
02-15-2009, 08:57 PM
It is the approximate time the Mom called the friend that Durango was supposed to have been visiting, to check on him. She was told at that time he was not there, and had not been.


Durango was not home when Mom came home from work on 2/5/09 at approx. 4:15 pm. Are you saying she waited until the following morning, approx. 10:00 am, before she called the friend Durango supposedly had been visiting the day before?? If so, considering Durango's mental capacity, health challenges, etc., why did she wait? I would think she would have been frantic by bedtime on 2/5/09, if not before.........

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-15-2009, 09:18 PM
Durango was not home when Mom came home from work on 2/5/09 at approx. 4:15 pm. Are you saying she waited until the following morning, approx. 10:00 am, before she called the friend Durango supposedly had been visiting the day before?? If so, considering Durango's mental capacity, health challenges, etc., why did she wait? I would think she would have been frantic by bedtime on 2/5/09, if not before.........

Thanks,
Soulscape

I am, I thought I outlined that earlier, If I missed it I apologize.
Durango is very high functioning in some areas. He was a college student, but with very stringent tutors. The *friend* he was supposed to be at had been "checked out" by Mom, and she had met him, his family, and had demonstrated great care and affection for Durango as a classmate.

Mom was unaware of any "fringe friends" that were bad news until after Durango went missing. She was in a difficult situation to allow this man a semblance of freedom even if only in appearance, and I truly believe she did the diligence to believe this person was safe, at least from the known info.

Durango's older brother talked mom out of calling LE until they checked all associates and also Durango, for fear they might embarass him. There had been plans for him to go to Durango that week, they were of the opinion he might have done that as his Dad is ill. I hope I covered what you might need, but ask if not.

FWIW, I have never encountered a Mom more dedicated to giving a child all the advantages possible given their challenges.

Soulscape
02-15-2009, 09:43 PM
I am, I thought I outlined that earlier, If I missed it I apologize.
Durango is very high functioning in some areas. He was a college student, but with very stringent tutors. The *friend* he was supposed to be at had been "checked out" by Mom, and she had met him, his family, and had demonstrated great care and affection for Durango as a classmate.

Mom was unaware of any "fringe friends" that were bad news until after Durango went missing. She was in a difficult situation to allow this man a semblance of freedom even if only in appearance, and I truly believe she did the diligence to believe this person was safe, at least from the known info.

Durango's older brother talked mom out of calling LE until they checked all associates and also Durango, for fear they might embarass him. There had been plans for him to go to Durango that week, they were of the opinion he might have done that as his Dad is ill. I hope I covered what you might need, but ask if not.

FWIW, I have never encountered a Mom more dedicated to giving a child all the advantages possible given their challenges.

Drivenon,

I want to be sure I understand both the time line and the circumstances. Please confirm or correct my understanding:

LAST HEARD - Monday 1/5/09 approx. 10:24 am

Durango calls Mom to tell her he's going to friend's house.

CELL PHONE POWERED OFF - Monday 1/5/09 approx. 10:54 am

Cell phone powered off.

MOM RETURNS HOME - Monday 1/5/09 approx. 4:15 pm

Mom returns home from work, Durango is not home.

MOM CALLS DURANGO'S FRIEND - Tuesday 1/6/09 approx. 10:00 am

Mom called the friend that Durango was supposed to have been visiting, to check on him. She was told at that time he was not there, and had not been.

MOM FILES POLICE REPORT - Wednesday 1/7/09 approx. 6:10 pm

Mom reports Durango missing to police.


=============================
Can you comment on below?

1. Within a week or two of filing the Police Report, there were some "credible sightings" but none since approx. mid-January?

2. The police do not believe Durango was/is a victim of foul play?

3. The police believe Durango is not coming home because he is afraid of certain acquaintances/friends?

4. Was the father contacted? Has he heard from Durango? Could Durango be there and the father is not telling for some reason?

5. Any other information you are permitted to share?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-16-2009, 11:04 AM
Drivenon,

I want to be sure I understand both the time line and the circumstances. Please confirm or correct my understanding:

LAST HEARD - Monday 1/5/09 approx. 10:24 am

Durango calls Mom to tell her he's going to friend's house.
Correction. Durango receives a call from an unknown source to his cell, we can prove the source is an exchange or a prepaid phone so untrackable. This is the last proven comunication. However, Mom got a call from Durango "late morning" at her work, which is unusual for him, to ask to go to the friends house, because it came into her work vm, she did not know from what number it came, or the exact time so it is unreliable

CELL PHONE POWERED OFF - Monday 1/5/09 approx. 10:54 am

Cell phone powered off.
Confirmed

MOM RETURNS HOME - Monday 1/5/09 approx. 4:15 pm

Mom returns home from work, Durango is not home.
Confirmed

MOM CALLS DURANGO'S FRIEND - Tuesday 1/6/09 approx. 10:00 am

Mom called the friend that Durango was supposed to have been visiting, to check on him. She was told at that time he was not there, and had not been.
Confirmed

MOM FILES POLICE REPORT - Wednesday 1/7/09 approx. 6:10 pm

Mom reports Durango missing to police.
Confirmed


=============================
Can you comment on below?

1. Within a week or two of filing the Police Report, there were some "credible sightings" but none since approx. mid-January?
There have been NO credible sightings of Durango since he went missing, there is some speculation that there are a few individuals who were spreading that rumor to get local businesses to take down the posters and thwart any search efforts

2. The police do not believe Durango was/is a victim of foul play?
Has NOT been ruled out

3. The police believe Durango is not coming home because he is afraid of certain acquaintances/friends?
That was the initial theory, which imo has no business in ANY MP case, that has changed

4. Was the father contacted? Has he heard from Durango? Could Durango be there and the father is not telling for some reason?
The Father and Durango are very close, he was contacted immediately, and Mom/Brother spent the day looking for him there, thus the lag. He has some close friends there, no one has seen or heard from him since he went missing

5. Any other information you are permitted to share?
The rest I will PM you, for ease in your chart development reading, but there are only 2 theories right now. 1) He has been the victim of foul play associated with the unsavory types he was recently introduced to. 2) He was coached into leaving his situation for self-serving means (unknown) and he is being essentially hidden without his "knowledge" and being manipulated for it to stay that way. This IS very important.. if this is the case, this individual would know the extent of Durnago's limitations, and as such would be aware that taking advantge of him in this way could constitute breaking an ACLU law and possible Federal offense. I mention this so if this were the case, this person would now be at somewhat of a risk, kwim?

Thanks,
Soulscape

No SS, thank you for coaching me with what you need. I am sick over this child, either way you look at it his victimization imo, is particularly cruel. By all accounts, and I do mean 100%, he was a kind boy, who really just wanted to work on cars, play video games and be liked. One of the things his family has stated is that unfortunately, even though his "isms" were slight, he stuck out in a crowd of very bright and non-challenged types, therefore, he felt more accepted in groups that well, were not, so he gravitated to them and vice versa. The klinefleters people have been very supportive to his family.

Soulscape
02-16-2009, 11:43 AM
No SS, thank you for coaching me with what you need. I am sick over this child, either way you look at it his victimization imo, is particularly cruel. By all accounts, and I do mean 100%, he was a kind boy, who really just wanted to work on cars, play video games and be liked. One of the things his family has stated is that unfortunately, even though his "isms" were slight, he stuck out in a crowd of very bright and non-challenged types, therefore, he felt more accepted in groups that well, were not, so he gravitated to them and vice versa. The klinefleters people have been very supportive to his family.


Another question: the LAST HEARD 10:24am 1/5/09 --- this is the time Durango received the call from the untraceable number?

Where is Durango's cell phone? If he took it with him, how can you know of the 10:24 am 1/5/09 call?

I ask these questions because I cannot work in the dark. I have to understand what I'm looking for in the charts.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Drivenon
02-16-2009, 12:02 PM
Another question: the LAST HEARD 10:24am 1/5/09 --- this is the time Durango received the call from the untraceable number?

Where is Durango's cell phone? If he took it with him, how can you know of the 10:24 am 1/5/09 call?

I ask these questions because I cannot work in the dark. I have to understand what I'm looking for in the charts.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, we have his cell phone records. We make the assumption he took it with him, but only know it was powered off for certain at 10:54 by some means, and has not been turned on again. 10:24 is the last call of any kind before being powered off and our best information. There were 3 calls that morning, but you asked me for the last he was heard from, that is the best info we have. It is assumptive that caller is highly relevant, but as you can imagine, it would appear steps were taken to conceal, imo.

Apologize, not trying to give you anything but facts, unless I state otherwise, it will be confirmed information to our best corresponding records, etc.. Thank you again for guiding me

FifthEssence
02-24-2009, 07:46 PM
DURANGO is JASON HOLLEY.

A forum exists here at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3243206

http://www.findjasonholley.com

also another site a thoughtful member passed on to us:
http://www.checkorphan.org/news/disabled_man_may_be_dodging_search_effort
Jason Holley:
It gives more info about him and who may have possibly taken advantage of him.

Drivenon
02-25-2009, 01:51 AM
DURANGO is JASON HOLLEY.

A forum exists here at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3243206

http://www.findjasonholley.com

also another site a thoughtful member passed on to us:
http://www.checkorphan.org/news/disabled_man_may_be_dodging_search_effort
Jason Holley:
It gives more info about him and who may have possibly taken advantage of him.

Respectfully Fifth, the information contained in the article you quoted is inaccurate, dated, and obsolete in the current stages of the investigation. Jason does not have the intellectual capcity to "dodge" anyone. No way for you to know that- granted, but also no astrological reference either, which I have been told is grounds for immediate deletion from other posters on this thread. Please excuse my comment if incorrectly informed, but my concern is that the focus of Jason Holley stays on Jason Holley, and nothing peripheral. This is the latest article:

http://************.com/2009/02/24/at-risk-or-endangered-missing-adult-where-is-jason-holley/

Salem
02-25-2009, 02:06 AM
Driveon - I'm not understanding your message to Fifth? It appears you started a thread on Jason on Jan 30th in the Missing forum. What I'm reading in your post above is that you really don't want sleuths taking a look at the case if it involves looking at the Jason's circumstances. Is that correct?

I understand that Jason and his family are your friends and I respect that. I'm just trying to figure out how you would like us to help, either in this thread or in the thread under Missing?

As an aside - the recent article you posted should also be posted in the missing thread. I will not copy it and post it at this time, as I am not sure what your intent is in this matter.

Thanks,

Salem

Lovejac
02-25-2009, 03:10 AM
Respectfully Fifth, the information contained in the article you quoted is inaccurate, dated, and obsolete in the current stages of the investigation. Jason does not have the intellectual capcity to "dodge" anyone. No way for you to know that- granted, but also no astrological reference either, which I have been told is grounds for immediate deletion from other posters on this thread. Please excuse my comment if incorrectly informed, but my concern is that the focus of Jason Holley stays on Jason Holley, and nothing peripheral. This is the latest article:

http://************.com/2009/02/24/at-risk-or-endangered-missing-adult-where-is-jason-holley/

So....someone told you that if there was a post, on this forum, that did not contain any astrological 'speak', that it would be immediately deleted??

I must be incorrectly informed also. :waitasec::waitasec:

dreamweaver
02-25-2009, 03:28 AM
Drivenon:
I understand you asked for help in the missing thread for Jason Holley.
But, when you asked for help from the astrologer thread, you appeared to be secretive. No name to be divulged. And that was okay, astrologers
were ready to help.
But, in reading the posts, it took questions and proddings from Soulscape to get a timeline and other relevant information.
I think this chart is a priority for astrologers. It concerns a missing young man, with Klinefelter Syndrome.

In the astrology thread, it is very clear what information they need to accomplish their job.
I feel your job as a friend of Jason Holley's family or just a concerned person, is to have all Jason Holley's information all ready to post.
That being done, the astrologers can start to work on a case that is urgent.

But, Jason Holley's name was already out there. He has a website. There are links to other articles about him. He is listed on well known missing adult sites, i.e., Charley Project.

I understand the focus is on Jason Holley. Finding Jason Holley. Your intentions in that regard seem sincere.

I do not speak for Websleuths. But I speak for myself as a member of Websleuths, we want to help.
We have people who are remarkable at sleuthing. Give us the information and we will help.

Soulscape
02-27-2009, 12:31 AM
There will be no further astrological discussions concerning this case. FifthEssence will be closing this Thread shortly.

Thanks,
Soulscape