FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #2

[SuziQ]

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FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/feb...nty-3-year-ol/ (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/feb/10/101106/missing-child-alert-issued-putnam-county-3-year-ol/)

[nursebeeme]

bringing my post over as it had some new links (I think they are anyway)

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Originally Posted by Kimster http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3293447#post3293447)
I haven't seen the GF interview either...Is there one? Someone mentioned a bio-mom interview...haven't seen that one yet either. Anyone have links handy? I have chocolate!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news..._girl_abducted (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted)

You can keep the chocolate :-) I just worked out and if I even look at sweets they jump on my a$$ LOL..

This is just my take on this story so far...but I would look closer at the girlfriend, her friends, and her background. What if she had had people over while hubby was at work on other occasions and they were not people she thought they were??? (ie, they met the child, knew the house, and knew when she was alone)

I also agree with the grandfather ~snip~ "If (you're) in your bed with your child, and you get up to go use the bathroom, is there enough time for somebody to come in your house and snatch your child out of bed and disappear without you getting back to the bed in time? No," grandfather Donny Sheffield said.~snip~ http://www.wesh.com/news/18681356/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/18681356/detail.html)

In keeping with that, could the girlfriend have had someone over earlier in the evening and they were hiding inside the house? Just a thought. Either that or they left the house, propped open the door to be able to get back in easily... Just thoughts of course peeps
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[SuziQ]

There are good Twitter updates coming through here:

http://twitter.com/GSReporters

[SuziQ]

Steve Huff and David Lohr have this case up:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/still_no_sign_of_haleigh_cummi.php

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/haleigh-cummings.html

[SuziQ]

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[nursebeeme]

There are good Twitter updates coming through here:

http://twitter.com/GSReporters
the latest twitter gels with what myfoxorlando is running with.... that LE are believing it to be an abduction. Perhaps they have picked up some prints that do not belong to the father or the girlfriend...

[SuziQ]

Next Presser is at 7PM

[SuziQ]

the latest twitter gels with what myfoxorlando is running with.... that LE are believing it to be an abduction. Perhaps they have picked up some prints that do not belong to the father or the girlfriend...

Hi Nurse! I think abduction is being stated because they are sure the baby didn't wander off. That's my impression anyways.

[Seebra]

Does anyone happen know or has anyone read why the father had custody and not the mother?

[nursebeeme]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012/1002?Title=Investigators_treat_Haleigh_s_case_as_a n_abduction

Le is starting their inner circle at the home and widening it slowly....including searching door to door..... They also state family is working with them. (per above link)

[warbuckle]

I was just looking at all the missing children in FL. I started looking at all the little girls between the ages of 4-8 and the places areas they will last seen. I found about 4 and they seem to have been living in cities along Hwy 4 and hwy 17. I don't know if there is any connections, but just wanted to point it out incase someone wanted to map it.

[nursebeeme]

Does anyone happen know or has anyone read why the father had custody and not the mother?
actually I have not heard EX in terms of wife....so we don't even know yet if they were separated or divorced etc... anyone else heard anything?

[SuziQ]

actually I have not heard EX in terms of wife....so we don't even know yet if they were separated or divorced etc... anyone else heard anything?

I haven't heard a thing either.

[Kimster]

TY Nursebeeme! <chomping chocolate>

[ElizaAvalon]

Bringing this over from the other thread:

I'm wondering if this is Misti/Misty: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=412920159 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=412920159)

Says she's 19. There's also other reports that she's 19.

[Seebra]

I was just looking at all the missing children in FL. I started looking at all the little girls between the ages of 4-8 and the places areas they will last seen. I found about 4 and they seem to have been living in cities along Hwy 4 and hwy 17. I don't know if there is any connections, but just wanted to point it out incase someone wanted to map it.

I was looking at them to for some type of similarity - but most that I found were abducted by their mothers (non-custodial, etc). Still looking into this.

[Amity]

I just heard LP and Rob are heading up there...can anyone find the link?

[nursebeeme]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Leonard Padilla is offering 25k reward for safe return of Haleigh

[LaLaw2000]

LP and Rob heading up there?

***Groan***

[jnTexas]

actually I have not heard EX in terms of wife....so we don't even know yet if they were separated or divorced etc... anyone else heard anything?

I don't think they were married in one of the interviews the Father states he has been raising her alone since she was 2. The mother gets both children every other weekend.

[nursebeeme]

LP and Rob heading up there?

***Groan***I am not groaning... (respectfully LA :-) because

1)they are posting a 25k reward
2)they are coming off a case that is similar...they have experience
3)they will keep the media focused on the case

[Carrington]

Padilla said the $25,000 reward would be honored if the girl is recoverd safely within 72 hours of her disappearance.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

[cjk2009]

Bringing this over from the other thread:

I'm wondering if this is Misti/Misty: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=412920159 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=412920159)

Says she's 19. There's also other reports that she's 19.

I think she lied about her age on there, because most reports give her age as 17. JMO

You have to be 18 to join Myspace unless they changed it. Meaning she most likely lied about her age, unless it's just the news reports that messed up (it's quite possible). A lot of minors do it to create profiles on these sites. Then they can change them back at will. I remember I joined there at 17 and put my age as 18 at first just to join, then changed it to 17 and no one was the wiser... That was a few years ago though, and may have changed.

[ketel0ne]

Why isn't anyone headed to Georgia or any of the other states with active amber alerts?

While I am glad Haleigh has national coverage and her picture is out there, is it being done to the exclusion of other cases?

[Seebra]

I don't think they were married in one of the interviews the Father states he has been raising her alone since she was 2. The mother gets both children every other weekend.

Even more curious now why she doesn't have custody of the children.

[Kimster]

I am not groaning... (respectfully LA :-) because

1)they are posting a 25k reward
2)they are coming off a case that is similar...they have experience
3)they will keep the media focused on the case

ITA! This is one case where having LP will be an asset! Where he goes, the media is sure to follow! Keep the heat on this abducter and MAYBE they will release this precious little girl!!!

[Kimster]

I think she lied about her age on there, because most reports give her age as 17. JMO

You have to be 18 to join Myspace unless they changed it. Meaning she most likely lied about her age, unless it's just the news reports that messed up (it's quite possible). A lot of minors do it to create profiles on these sites. Then they can change them back at will. I remember I joined there at 17 and put my age as 18 at first just to join, then changed it to 17 and no one was the wiser... That was a few years ago though, and may have changed.

LE stated on the presser that she is 17 and a child herself.

[swanniee11]

I was just looking at all the missing children in FL. I started looking at all the little girls between the ages of 4-8 and the places areas they will last seen. I found about 4 and they seem to have been living in cities along Hwy 4 and hwy 17. I don't know if there is any connections, but just wanted to point it out incase someone wanted to map it.


post a link. I was just on the sex offender list and their house is new hwy 17

[PattyCake]

"Investigators say Croslin is now with her family, but they're not calling her a suspect nor are they revealing whether the child's father is a focus of the investigation."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

Why would the girlfriend NOW be with her own family instead of back with her boyfriend? Did the LE tell them they cannot be together right now? That the boyfriend / father was breaking the law living with a 17 yr old? That he threatened her and she went back home to her mom and dad?

I just don't understand why they wouldn't be together supporting eachother IF this is a serious relationship and if they weren't in on this together.

PS: Has anyone mentioned how old Haleighs dad is? If he's much older and living with a 17 yr old, that's also very suspect on what he 'prefers'

[Breaking Heart]

I just received an email update that Tim Miller and team are headed for this case. Tim should arrive tonight by plane and his team by car tomorrow morning.!! WoohOO!

[SWAG1959]

actually I have not heard EX in terms of wife....so we don't even know yet if they were separated or divorced etc... anyone else heard anything?
I've been digging in the public records. The previous link doesn't contain anything - there is a disclaimer that Putnam County's records currently are not available online - seems they are transitioning.

go to my florida county.com (no spaces) and you can search public records there.

Anyway, haven't found much yet. Bio-dad - there is a probate record 3/31/87 of man with same name - probably (and most likely) his father.

Two court papers - with bio dad and bio mom's (you'll get her full name - Crystal is her middle name). One dated 10/11/05 and one 11/20/07. Can't view them which means its family court - either dealing with divorce, custody, support, whatever.

Haven't found a thing on gf or grandmother. I want to go back and make sure spelling of names is correct.

[Kimster]

:dance:I just received an email update that Tim Miller and team are headed for this case. Tim should arrive tonight by plane and his team by car tomorrow morning.!! WoohOO!:dance:

This makes my heart soar! GO TES!!!:dance:

[laini]

What is wrong with the Kidfinders group? Did they support the Anthonys and that is why?

[Breaking Heart]

ITA! This is one case where having LP will be an asset! Where he goes, the media is sure to follow! Keep the heat on this abducter and MAYBE they will release this precious little girl!!!

As ticked off as I was at LP for holding his own memorial on the same date and time as the Anthony memorial...I will say....his offering up 25K is a good thing....as long as he doesn't turn it into a circus. It would be in his best interest, I believe, if he would keep whatever he knows or hears about this case, to himself. I hope and pray with all that is in me that Haleigh is found quickly and safely.

[mydailyopinions]

I just received an email update that Tim Miller and team are headed for this case. Tim should arrive tonight by plane and his team by car tomorrow morning.!! WoohOO!

I love this man! I wish he could clone himself into the thousands..it just don't get any better..

[colomom]

I am bringing over a link to a "uncut" version of the father's interview....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

[Breaking Heart]

:dance::dance:

This makes my heart soar! GO TES!!!:dance:

Hee...me too! I almost yelled out loud (at my desk) GO TIM!!!!!

[Seebra]

<snip>
Marie Griffis said her daughter and Cummings have not been together for about three years but were not at odds. She said Haleigh visited them in Baker County every other weekend. Her daughter and Cummings have a 3-year-old son, Ronald Jr., who was taken to other relatives Tuesday.

“She loves her makeup,” Griffis said of her missing granddaughter. She said except for a chance to ride a four-wheeler, Haleigh was not an outdoor girl.

“She was an indoor-type kid,” she said. “She’s not an outdoor-type kid.”

Early Tuesday morning, searchers worked the St. Johns River and the wooded area around neighborhoods off Buffalo Bluff Road.

Authorities said they searched roughly 100 houses of those who would allow them entry.

Tracy Phillips lives next to Cummings’ mobile home and said officers with police dogs walked the 200 or so yards from Cummings’ home to her dock on the St. Johns three times

She said investigators asked to search her house and went through every room, including closets.

Phillips said she didn’t know Cummings, his girlfriend or children, who had not lived in the neighborhood long.

The search was to continue through the night and be expanded again at daylight today .



Found this on News Jacksonville, but it doesn't really say why the real mom did not have custody of the kids.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-10/story/putnam_issues_missing_child_alert

[tfrohning]

I was just looking at all the missing children in FL. I started looking at all the little girls between the ages of 4-8 and the places areas they will last seen. I found about 4 and they seem to have been living in cities along Hwy 4 and hwy 17. I don't know if there is any connections, but just wanted to point it out incase someone wanted to map it. I hope someone does the map. I don't know how. I did look up the map of Putman and notice how close orlando and leesburg was. that was far has I got. It would be interesting to see map

[SuziQ]

Why isn't anyone headed to Georgia or any of the other states with active amber alerts?

While I am glad Haleigh has national coverage and her picture is out there, is it being done to the exclusion of other cases?

Coverage of one case over the other is not done with the intention to exclude anyone. Sadly it's the nature of the beast. The cases with the most interesting background or hinkyness, such as in Caylee's and this case, peaks interest. There are so many cases, as much as I try, it's impossible to keep up with them all. I have pet cases here at WS that I wish members and the press would pay more attention to. But there are only so many hours a day and only so much one can handle. There will always be more cases than people to solve them.

[babycat]

I was just looking at all the missing children in FL. I started looking at all the little girls between the ages of 4-8 and the places areas they will last seen. I found about 4 and they seem to have been living in cities along Hwy 4 and hwy 17. I don't know if there is any connections, but just wanted to point it out incase someone wanted to map it.

Very interesting...that is definitely worth looking into!

[Kimster]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=202+green+lane,+satsuma,+florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.50801,79.101563&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

This is where she went missing.

[mydailyopinions]

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter's kidnapper, "he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car," the police report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

OMG this isn't looking good at all..Why would he say this about his girlfriend if there were not problems already?

[SuziQ]

I just received an email update that Tim Miller and team are headed for this case. Tim should arrive tonight by plane and his team by car tomorrow morning.!! WoohOO!

This is GREAT news. Thanks for the update!

[Kimster]

The link about TES: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131094&catid=3

[Breaking Heart]

I hope someone does the map. I don't know how. I did look up the map of Putman and notice how close orlando and leesburg was. that was far has I got. It would be interesting to see map

I just said something to my hubby yesterday about the missing children out of FL and how there just seems to be so many out of this state in such a short time. It just really makes me wonder what the heck is going on there?

[radio]

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter's kidnapper, "he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car," the police report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

OMG this isn't looking good at all..Why would he say this about his girlfriend if there were not problems already?

MDO!!!
Your right!!!! :eek:

[momtective]

Oops, tried to post this on the other thread and found it closed...so I'll try here.
Two SO's within 1 mile of Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do
K. Johns date of photo is 2-9-09 just 8 days before Haleigh disappeared.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989
Here's a map of how close his home is to Haleigh's...0.1mile...that's like within a house or two.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=212+MONROE+AVE+SATSUMA++FL+32189&daddr=202+Green+Lane+Satsuma+Florida&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.576275,-81.672556&sspn=0.0092,0.019312&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=29.573931,-81.674775&spn=0.0046,0.009656&t=h&z=17

[SuziQ]

What is wrong with the Kidfinders group? Did they support the Anthonys and that is why?

Dennis M. of Kidfinders is a convicted felon. Police impersonator with a badge, stalking a woman, etc. Tried to extort money from Orlando Crimestoppers. And it's been mentioned by KathiB of WFTV that Mrs Milstead has a charge out their of Lewd and Lascivious conduct.

ETA: they also can't manage their personal finances worth a damn. And refuse to supply accounting for their non profit. Also they don't own their non profit cert. They rent it from someone else.

[ketel0ne]

Coverage of one case over the other is not done with the intention to exclude anyone. Sadly it's the nature of the beast. The cases with the most interesting background or hinkyness, such as in Caylee's and this case, peaks interest. There are so many cases, as much as I try, it's impossible to keep up with them all. I have pet cases here at WS that I wish members and the press would pay more attention to. But there are only so many hours a day and only so much one can handle. There will always be more cases than people to solve them.

I guess my point was why doesn't LP, Kidfinders head for a case that isn't already national.

[Kimster]

I just said something to my hubby yesterday about the missing children out of FL and how there just seems to be so many out of this state in such a short time. It just really makes me wonder what the heck is going on there?

I mentioned that early on in the prior thread! It doesn't make sense to me!

[swanniee11]

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter's kidnapper, "he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car," the police report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

OMG this isn't looking good at all..Why would he say this about his girlfriend if there were not problems already?


Well, He wouldn't beable to have a gun if he had a record.

[warbuckle]

post a link. I was just on the sex offender list and their house is new hwy 17

Go to websleuth, missing by state, florida, its in the 1st post. Sorry not good at posting links yet.

[Kimster]

Oops, tried to post this on the other thread and found it closed...so I'll try here.
Two SO's within 1 mile of Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do
K. Johns date of photo is 2-9-09 just 8 days before Haleigh disappeared.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989
Here's a map of how close his home is to Haleigh's...0.1mile...that's like within a house or two.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=212+MONROE+AVE+SATSUMA++FL+32189&daddr=202+Green+Lane+Satsuma+Florida&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.576275,-81.672556&sspn=0.0092,0.019312&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=29.573931,-81.674775&spn=0.0046,0.009656&t=h&z=17

That gave me the chills and tears to my eyes, friend! :(

[SuziQ]

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter's kidnapper, "he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car," the police report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

OMG this isn't looking good at all..Why would he say this about his girlfriend if there were not problems already?

Well that explains why she's staying with her family. He is very angry with her.

[mydailyopinions]

I am glad Tim is coming. I am seeing huge red flags. So far I have seen nothing of the father defending the gf..
However, I am seeing where he called her a dumb Bit** girlfriend..
I fear the worse in this case.

[Idaho4Groenes]

Why isn't anyone headed to Georgia or any of the other states with active amber alerts?

While I am glad Haleigh has national coverage and her picture is out there, is it being done to the exclusion of other cases?

Little Dominick has an AMBER Alert in Arkansas. He also went missing yesterday. Yet, no news, no coverage, no huge reward. It would be nice if a few people from here would check out his thread.

I understand the draw to Haleigh's case. Another little girl missing in FL. But it would be nice to have this amount of interest in others as well.

Dominick's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79549

[tfrohning]

Padilla said the $25,000 reward would be honored if the girl is recoverd safely within 72 hours of her disappearance.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted I am glad LP is offering the reward. Why can't he just offer with out recovered safely? I want her be found safely but if he offer for information for any information more people
might come forward. I don't know how i want to put this.

[Kimster]

Little Dominick has an AMBER Alert in Arkansas. He also went missing yesterday. Yet, no news, no coverage, no huge reward. It would be nice if a few people from here would check out his thread.

I understand the draw to Haleigh's case. Another little girl missing in FL. But it would be nice to have this amount of interest in others as well.

Dominick's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79549

Thank you! I was totally unaware and will go there now!

[ElizaAvalon]

Oops, tried to post this on the other thread and found it closed...so I'll try here.
Two SO's within 1 mile of Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do
K. Johns date of photo is 2-9-09 just 8 days before Haleigh disappeared.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989
Here's a map of how close his home is to Haleigh's...0.1mile...that's like within a house or two.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=212+MONROE+AVE+SATSUMA++FL+32189&daddr=202+Green+Lane+Satsuma+Florida&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.576275,-81.672556&sspn=0.0092,0.019312&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=29.573931,-81.674775&spn=0.0046,0.009656&t=h&z=17

OMG, Mom. Even the furthest one is too close.

I wouldn't want either of them within 10 miles of my home, nevermind .1!

[zadari]

oh god i hope they find her .. not another precious baby .. :(

[cajun]

I am bringing over a link to a "uncut" version of the father's interview....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

OMG that is truly heartbreaking. I cried along with him

[SuziQ]

;)I guess my point was why doesn't LP, Kidfinders head for a case that isn't already national.

Because you can only be so many places at once. Tim Miller will be the first to state that. Sadly they have to pick and choose which cases to pay attention to. There will always be more missing people than resources needed to find them.

I'm going to give LP the benefit of the doubt because he's putting up 25K of his own money. But I can tell you why KFN is heading there. Only high profile cases generate donations, KWIM?

[ElizaAvalon]

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter's kidnapper, "he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car," the police report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

OMG this isn't looking good at all..Why would he say this about his girlfriend if there were not problems already?

Interesting.

I have to say - and I'm not drawing any conclusions here - that when I listened to the 911 call I felt Misty was crying more in reaction to Ronald's emotions than anything else.

JMO.

[cheko1]

MDO!!!
Your right!!!! :eek:


A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.

[Seebra]

OK, couple things:

1. If someone drove up the dead end street, surely someone would have heard the car drive up, no? Or the perp would have been leery of doing so in case they were heard or seen. So, thinking that someone either - lived very close or - had alternate means of trqansportation (i.e. boat?)

2. Of course dad is going to be very angry at gf - anyone would be in highly stressful moments - I can't tell you how many times my husband and I have argued viciously during a time of high stress - doesn't mean we don't love each other, just sometimes you say things you don't mean.

3. I can't figure out if the gf was actually sleeping in the same bed, and who got up to goto the bathroom - some articles say it was the little girl that got up and some say it was the gf.

4. Still trying to find some info on why the mother did not have custody - whether by choice, etc.

5. The father's interview seemed VERY sincere - still trying to decide about Crystal's interview.

[SuziQ]

OK, couple things:

1. If someone drove up the dead end street, surely someone would have heard the car drive up, no? Or the perp would have been leery of doing so in case they were heard or seen. So, thinking that someone either - lived very close or - had alternate means of trqansportation (i.e. boat?)

2. Of course dad is going to be very angry at gf - anyone would be in highly stressful moments - I can't tell you how many times my husband and I have argued viciously during a time of high stress - doesn't mean we don't love each other, just sometimes you say things you don't mean.

3. I can't figure out if the gf was actually sleeping in the same bed, and who got up to goto the bathroom - some articles say it was the little girl that got up and some say it was the gf.

4. Still trying to find some info on why the mother did not have custody - whether by choice, etc.

5. The father's interview seemed VERY sincere - still trying to decide about Crystal's interview.

Do you have a link? I haven't seen that yet. TIA.

[zadari]

i just read that that girlfriend isnt supposed to have contact with the family ? in the news area where the dads televised plea is .. its down towards the bottom http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012

[mydailyopinions]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.

Oh, I like your friend. My friends say the same about me. When it comes to my children, I would do whatever I had to, and honestly that doesn't include waiting for justice. Would I go to prison? Yep in a heartbeat for my kids..
The think is though, why would he call his girlfriend that in his police statement? Something isn't right, and someone knows where that child is..

[cajun]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.


I can't blame him either. If the girlfriend had nothing to do with it and it was some predator, like Couey, then he should have been killed a long time ago. I want them all dead, there's no rehabilitating those types of people.

[ElizaAvalon]

I have a bad feeling.

[zadari]

I can't blame him either. If the girlfriend had nothing to do with it and it was some predator, like Couey, then he should have been killed a long time ago. I want them all dead, there's no rehabilitating those types of people. oh i agree too ..

[warbuckle]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.

Well my husband is far from "redneck" and he is a doctor, but if anyone did anything to our child, he would 100% go crazy and he has even said he would kill the person. Come to think of it, I would do 20 years to see the perp dead. Too many people get out early and do it again. Killing them would ensure that would never happen again. Yes, I would do that to save another child. I don't think him being a redneck or uneducated has anything to do with his strong emotions for his lost child.

[cajun]

I haven't read all of the other thread but have they given the name of the bio mother?

[Soulscape]

I've been digging in the public records. The previous link doesn't contain anything - there is a disclaimer that Putnam County's records currently are not available online - seems they are transitioning.

go to my florida county.com (no spaces) and you can search public records there.

Anyway, haven't found much yet. Bio-dad - there is a probate record 3/31/87 of man with same name - probably (and most likely) his father.

Two court papers - with bio dad and bio mom's (you'll get her full name - Crystal is her middle name). One dated 10/11/05 and one 11/20/07. Can't view them which means its family court - either dealing with divorce, custody, support, whatever.

Haven't found a thing on gf or grandmother. I want to go back and make sure spelling of names is correct.

Swag,

Can you get me birthdates, places of birth on any / all of the key players? I have Haleigh's date of birth as August 17, 2003 but no place of birth (city, state).

Thanks,
Soulscape

[impatientredhead]

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

"Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said 'When I find him I'll kill him,'" police wrote in the report.

He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter's kidnapper, "he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car," the police report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

OMG this isn't looking good at all..Why would he say this about his girlfriend if there were not problems already?
Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.
About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.


I would really like to read this report for myself. This is yet another version of the timeline. According to this Haleigh was last seen within a very narrow window of time before her Dad got home.

That Misty would be with an ill tempered man that doesn't seem to treat her with much respect is not shocking. Someone posted a snipped in the first thread of a public record (which I am still trying to find) that shows Misty's mom filed suit against Jeremy Miller for repeated violence against Misty. The date listed in March 30, 2005 if anyone wants to help find the record. I am guessing searching for the Miller name is the most likely route. Misty would have been 13 then and is out on her own living with a man and his kids at the ripe old age of 17.

[cheko1]

Oh, I like your friend. My friends say the same about me. When it comes to my children, I would do whatever I had to, and honestly that doesn't include waiting for justice. Would I go to prison? Yep in a heartbeat for my kids..
The think is though, why would he call his girlfriend that in his police statement? Something isn't right, and someone knows where that child is..


I agree someone knows something!!!!

I am sure if someone touched one of my Granddkids I'd be the worst of the worst.....no LE / FBI or anyone would be able to shut me up.

[Seebra]

I can't blame him either. If the girlfriend had nothing to do with it and it was some predator, like Couey, then he should have been killed a long time ago. I want them all dead, there's no rehabilitating those types of people.

ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE!!!!!!!

When is this country going to wake up and learn that CHILD OFFENDERS NEED TO BE PUT DOWN like rabid dogs.

[cheko1]

I can't blame him either. If the girlfriend had nothing to do with it and it was some predator, like Couey, then he should have been killed a long time ago. I want them all dead, there's no rehabilitating those types of people.

I agree 100%...... to have that many SO in one area is horrid!

[MissieMt]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.

I agree about the good ol' boy mentality. It is alive and well, at least here in MS. They watch out for family, and especially their kids. Not saying Ronald is a good ol' boy-but he could be.

Also, in regards to him being so angry at his gf. Perhaps he suspects more than what he is saying, or has spoken to LE about what he suspects and that is why he is so angry at her.
I would be pretty pi**ed too, and if I thought my childs disappearance could have been easily prevented I would be very angry at the person who was careless.

[SuziQ]

A poster asked in the last thread what can be done to help search for Hayleigh. IMO, the best thing at this point would be to donate to TES. I'm heading over there right now to do so.

[SWAG1959]

i just read that that girlfriend isnt supposed to have contact with the family ? in the news area where the dads televised plea is .. its down towards the bottom http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012
Also out of that article it says the Croslin had only been "the girlfriend" for 3 or 4 months. Now couple that with CPS calls (plural) within only a 3 -4 month span. No - this doesn't look good. Anyone found ANYTHING with the gf - video/pixs ANYTHING?

[Kimster]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

Bio-mom's MySpace

[LeLe1953]

I am not groaning... (respectfully LA :-) because

1)they are posting a 25k reward
2)they are coming off a case that is similar...they have experience
3)they will keep the media focused on the case

Offering up the reward is great, keeping it in front of the media is great but LP has NO experience as a searcher. He stood around & signed autographs & smoked cigars. I hope this isnt the next case he is imagining the money he can if "her skull comes rolling out." IMO< he knows his 15 minutes is way up on the Caylee case so he is moving on to this to keep himself on NG,

[ceyler]

And my question is, what parents of a 17 year old girl would allow their child to "live" with a 24 year old man. Let alone, one that has children???

[tehcloser]

This really does not sound good. Prayers.

[cheko1]

Well my husband is far from "redneck" and he is a doctor, but if anyone did anything to our child, he would 100% go crazy and he has even said he would kill the person. Come to think of it, I would do 20 years to see the perp dead. Too many people get out early and do it again. Killing them would ensure that would never happen again. Yes, I would do that to save another child. I don't think him being a redneck or uneducated has anything to do with his strong emotions for his lost child.


She was referring more to his demeanor cursing & threatening to kill / many times more than necessary.

I agree I'd be put in a padded cell & would care less who I said what too.

[mydailyopinions]

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.
About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.


I would really like to read this report for myself. This is yet another version of the timeline. According to this Haleigh was last seen within a very narrow window of time before her Dad got home.

That Misty would be with an ill tempered man that doesn't seem to treat her with much respect is not shocking. Someone posted a snipped in the first thread of a public record (which I am still trying to find) that shows Misty's mom filed suit against Jeremy Miller for repeated violence against Misty. The date listed in March 30, 2005 if anyone wants to help find the record. I am guessing searching for the Miller name is the most likely route. Misty would have been 13 then and is out on her own living with a man and his kids at the ripe old age of 17.

Someone needs to get the right timeline down, I don't know if it's the media, or if they are giving incorrect statements, something isn't right with this one though..certainly not right.

[cajun]

ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE!!!!!!!

When is this country going to wake up and learn that CHILD OFFENDERS NEED TO BE PUT DOWN like rabid dogs.

I don't know. How many more children are going to be molested/abused/raped/killed before the laws are changed. I post and read over at the Houston Chronicle and it's hardly a day that goes by that there is not a story about some poor murdered child.

Just last night they posted an article about a man that put his GF's baby in the dryer and they reduced the charges and he will probably be out in 10 years with good behavior.


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KOUNTZE — A Lumberton man was indicted Tuesday on a lesser assault charge over the burns his girlfriend’s toddler suffered in 2007 from being inside a clothes dryer.
A Hardin County grand jury indicted Bobby Lynn Curtis, 29, on a charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon — the hot dryer.
The 2-year-old girl was treated for first- and second-degree burns.
Curtis initially was charged with first-degree injury to a child, punishable by up to life in prison. But prosecutor David Sheffield said it may have been impossible to convict on the first-degree charge, so it was reduced. Curtis now could face two to 20 years in prison if convicted.
He remains jailed on $500,000 bail.



No excuse for this reduction..

[mydailyopinions]

This really does not sound good. Prayers.

Teh,
My heart is heavy again..I hate being right, Laci and Connor, Brooke B, Caylee..
What is the world coming to?

[warbuckle]

I agree about the good ol' boy mentality. It is alive and well, at least here in MS. They watch out for family, and especially their kids. Not saying Ronald is a good ol' boy-but he could be.

Also, in regards to him being so angry at his gf. Perhaps he suspects more than what he is saying, or has spoken to LE about what he suspects and that is why he is so angry at her.
I would be pretty pi**ed too, and if I thought my childs disappearance could have been easily prevented I would be very angry at the person who was careless.

I am not reading to much into him being angry at the GF. I have been married to my husband for 12 years and once our son started running for the road when a car was coming. I caught him just in time, but my husband was pi**ed at me. He said I wasn't watching him close enough. It turned out later than he was just so upset about the thought of what could have happened. I was upset also. It was a split second the child took off running. I can totally understand him being upset with the gf. He needs someone to blame, even if it turns out not to be her fault.

[SailorMoon]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

Bio-mom's MySpace

Good find...some cute pics of this baby girl.

I don't know gang.......we all know where most of these stories end up.....

[mydailyopinions]

I am not reading to much into him being angry at the GF. I have been married to my husband for 12 years and once our son started running for the road when a car was coming. I caught him just in time, but my husband was pi**ed at me. He said I wasn't watching him close enough. It turned out later than he was just so upset about the thought of what could have happened. I was upset also. It was a split second the child took off running. I can totally understand him being upset with the gf. He needs someone to blame, even if it turns out not to be her fault.

I have had that happen to me once. I just don't think though, that my husband would call me a dumb Bit** if my son had been run over..Grief would kick in, but not those words..

[Carrington]

Looks like the family is blaming the girlfriend:

The grandmother said Croslin, the father's girlfriend, is not supposed to have contact with the family.
Griffis said she is suspicious of the 17-year-old. Even though Croslin, Cummings' girlfriend for three or four months, has been good with the children, Griffis questioned how the 5-year-old could possibly have been taken while Croslin was there in the same room
http://www.legacy.com/Gainesville/Obituaries.asp

[warbuckle]

I have had that happen to me once. I just don't think though, that my husband would call me a dumb Bit** if my son had been run over..Grief would kick in, but not those words..

The choice of words is not the point, the blaming is.

[LeLe1953]

What is wrong with the Kidfinders group? Did they support the Anthonys and that is why?

No it has nothing to do with the Anthony's. It has everything to do with they DO NOT SEARCH for children. They are also ran by people who have criminal backgrounds. Look and see how many people they have ever found!

[SailorMoon]

I don't know. How many more children are going to be molested/abused/raped/killed before the laws are changed. I post and read over at the Houston Chronicle and it's hardly a day that goes by that there is not a story about some poor murdered child.

Just last night they posted an article about a man that put his GF's baby in the dryer and they reduced the charges and he will probably be out in 10 years with good behavior.


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KOUNTZE — A Lumberton man was indicted Tuesday on a lesser assault charge over the burns his girlfriend’s toddler suffered in 2007 from being inside a clothes dryer.
A Hardin County grand jury indicted Bobby Lynn Curtis, 29, on a charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon — the hot dryer.
The 2-year-old girl was treated for first- and second-degree burns.
Curtis initially was charged with first-degree injury to a child, punishable by up to life in prison. But prosecutor David Sheffield said it may have been impossible to convict on the first-degree charge, so it was reduced. Curtis now could face two to 20 years in prison if convicted.
He remains jailed on $500,000 bail.



No excuse for this reduction..

OMG!! OT, but I agree..same here in Big D. That poor lil one must have been terrified. Can you imagine, at your age now even, being put in a dryer????GEEZE.

Sorry mods..the horror and sickness of that one is mind boggling.

[MissieMt]

I am not reading to much into him being angry at the GF. I have been married to my husband for 12 years and once our son started running for the road when a car was coming. I caught him just in time, but my husband was pi**ed at me. He said I wasn't watching him close enough. It turned out later than he was just so upset about the thought of what could have happened. I was upset also. It was a split second the child took off running. I can totally understand him being upset with the gf. He needs someone to blame, even if it turns out not to be her fault.


ITA with you, and please know that I was not trying to attack your post when I wrote my last post. Simply adding my 2 cents and personal experience.

[cheko1]

I agree about the good ol' boy mentality. It is alive and well, at least here in MS. They watch out for family, and especially their kids. Not saying Ronald is a good ol' boy-but he could be.

Also, in regards to him being so angry at his gf. Perhaps he suspects more than what he is saying, or has spoken to LE about what he suspects and that is why he is so angry at her.
I would be pretty pi**ed too, and if I thought my childs disappearance could have been easily prevented I would be very angry at the person who was careless.

It is alive & living in that part of Fl too. We bought a place about 45 min from there. The woods is thick & lots of them too in that area.

I doubt pi$$ed would be the right words to use if it were my child & I entrusted someone to care for them.

[mydailyopinions]

The choice of words is not the point, the blaming is.

True...
I really hope this doesn't turn out the way I feel it will.
Something more needs to be done in this country to protect our children..:(

[MissieMt]

I'm sorry, but if he thought she was a dumb b****, then why did he let her babysit his kids? Okay okay. I'll back off. He's learning his lesson now!


Maybe he doesn't REALLY think she is a dumb b****, maybe he was speaking out of anger.....that would make him human. No one deserves to "learn this lesson"

[SWAG1959]

Swag,

Can you get me birthdates, places of birth on any / all of the key players? I have Haleigh's date of birth as August 17, 2003 but no place of birth (city, state).

Thanks,
Soulscape
No - sorry - at least not yet. All I'm seeing is just the court filing - can't even view the docs. Bio-dad birth year has got to be either 1995 or 1994 as he is 24.

Impatientredhead - I'm not finding ANYTHING about that jeremy miller or croslin, I'm checking surrounding counties - do you know WHICH county this was filed in?

[zelmajane]

Asking about DOB and such
Ronald Cummings (Father) 10-25-1983 (Putnam county, so I suspect that is the right one)

I had found the son earlier, can't find him now.

I can't find Misty either.

[kellync]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.
Then I guess I'm a redneck too.

[impatientredhead]

No - sorry - at least not yet. All I'm seeing is just the court filing - can't even view the docs. Bio-dad birth year has got to be either 1995 or 1994 as he is 24.

Impatientredhead - I'm not finding ANYTHING about that jeremy miller or croslin, I'm checking surrounding counties - do you know WHICH county this was filed in?

Here is a cut and paste of what I read in the first thread. If I go to the Daytona Beach News website and go through archives for that date it does say it has the info but then it takes me a to a site to register and buy the article. Can't do that from this computer.

Thanks for the link to True Crime Report, y'all.

Here's a little snippet of info I discovered about Misty Croslin, the 19-year-old girlfriend who was in the home when Haleigh disappeared.
Quote:
News of Record
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL) - Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Suits filed [...] Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence
So -- when Misty was approximately 15, someone -- her mother, I'd guess -- filed some sort of suit against this Miller dude for abuse on Misty's behalf.

A 19-year-old girl, taking care of her boyfriend's 5-year-old -- someone else's kid -- and at least one other kid. A 19-year-old who may have been abused herself.

I don't know about you all, but I sure don't like the way this one is going so far.

[Kimster]

Maybe he doesn't REALLY think she is a dumb b****, maybe he was speaking out of anger.....that would make him human. No one deserves to "learn this lesson"

Good point. I need to stop blaming them too! We need more facts. We need to FIND HER!

[nursebeeme]

hey peeps....does anyone know if the presser will be online at 7pm??? TIA

[cheko1]

Then I guess I'm a redneck too.

That was her words not mine!
I'd gladly go to jail for anyone hurting one of mine. As my friend stated he had a gun & would use it with out a seconds hesitation. Had the Dad been home the story probably would of been very different.

[Tonia]

Im wondering if she was actually there with the kids all night. I can see a young girl leaving them asleep and going out for a few hours.

[Busylady]

Can we not just be thankful he is putting up a reward and leave it at that. So tired of the LP bashing.

Offering up the reward is great, keeping it in front of the media is great but LP has NO experience as a searcher. He stood around & signed autographs & smoked cigars. I hope this isnt the next case he is imagining the money he can if "her skull comes rolling out." IMO< he knows his 15 minutes is way up on the Caylee case so he is moving on to this to keep himself on NG,

[Seebra]

Then I guess I'm a redneck too.

I am also a redneck.

[zadari]

Looks like the family is blaming the girlfriend:

The grandmother said Croslin, the father's girlfriend, is not supposed to have contact with the family.
Griffis said she is suspicious of the 17-year-old. Even though Croslin, Cummings' girlfriend for three or four months, has been good with the children, Griffis questioned how the 5-year-old could possibly have been taken while Croslin was there in the same room
http://www.legacy.com/Gainesville/Obituaries.asp i do too .. i just dont buy that someone came in there and took that child i think that girlfriend had someone take her or something to that effect for some reason she isnt supposed to have contact with the family ..

[kiki the parrot]

OK, couple things:

1. If someone drove up the dead end street, surely someone would have heard the car drive up, no? Or the perp would have been leery of doing so in case they were heard or seen. So, thinking that someone either - lived very close or - had alternate means of trqansportation (i.e. boat?)

2. Of course dad is going to be very angry at gf - anyone would be in highly stressful moments - I can't tell you how many times my husband and I have argued viciously during a time of high stress - doesn't mean we don't love each other, just sometimes you say things you don't mean.

3. I can't figure out if the gf was actually sleeping in the same bed, and who got up to goto the bathroom - some articles say it was the little girl that got up and some say it was the gf.

4. Still trying to find some info on why the mother did not have custody - whether by choice, etc.

5. The father's interview seemed VERY sincere - still trying to decide about Crystal's interview.

(bold mine) If gf is clueless or at the worst completely irresponsible, then we may be talking about one of these 44 SO's w/in 5 miles... one of whom ("KJ") lives just .1 miles--that's point one--on Monroe Ave. defined as "one minute" walking distance from Green Lane. Sorry it gives me the creeps just thinking about it but we know that's the first place LE went--RIGHT?? At least this guy's registered and w that address, LE must've beelined it there to search. Please everyone say a prayer... JMO
:parrot:

[Soulscape]

No - sorry - at least not yet. All I'm seeing is just the court filing - can't even view the docs. Bio-dad birth year has got to be either 1995 or 1994 as he is 24.

Impatientredhead - I'm not finding ANYTHING about that jeremy miller or croslin, I'm checking surrounding counties - do you know WHICH county this was filed in?

Asking about DOB and such
Ronald Cummings (Father) 10-25-1983 (Putnam county, so I suspect that is the right one)

I had found the son earlier, can't find him now.

I can't find Misty either.

Swag, thank you for trying & Zelmajane THANK YOU for finding Ronald Cummings (dad) DOB/place of birth.

I am anxious to get girlfriend Misty's DOB/ place of birth and place of birth for little Haleigh if anyone can obtain.

Thanks in advance,
Soulscape

[SWAG1959]

I was wrong about DOB - can't do math today - lol anyway saw where someone else got dad's dob.

[Dr. Know?]

I lived in Leesburg and Eustis for a few years a while ago. These smaller towns aren't like the big cities. Here's some infomation on this area. It was not far from my old stomping grounds. Back when I was there, originally I came from a town of over a half million people (Southwest) so going to the smaller towns was a shock at first. The husband reminds me of how some of the people behaved when I first moved there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatka,_Florida

[Morag]

Here's a possiblilty that accounts for the timeline messiness and the dad's anger, and it allows for a happy ending:

What if the dad owed money to someone, maybe quite a lot (use your imagination). The person(s) to whom he owed it came over while dad was at work. Girlfriend couldn't pay, so they took Haleigh.

[kellync]

That was her words not mine!
I'd gladly go to jail for anyone hurting one of mine. As my friend stated he had a gun & would use it with out a seconds hesitation. Had the Dad been home the story probably would of been very different.
I knew what you meant, no hard feelings I hope... I think this father is probably under a tremendous amount of stress, with the economy, and having to take care of the children, and the thought of having to work at night. Who else did he have to watch his girl? Who watched her before this girl came along, thats what I'd like to know......

[SuziQ]

Here is a cut and paste of what I read in the first thread. If I go to the Daytona Beach News website and go through archives for that date it does say it has the info but then it takes me a to a site to register and buy the article. Can't do that from this computer.

Thanks for the link to True Crime Report, y'all.

Here's a little snippet of info I discovered about Misty Croslin, the 19-year-old girlfriend who was in the home when Haleigh disappeared.
Quote:
News of Record
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL) - Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Suits filed [...] Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence
So -- when Misty was approximately 15, someone -- her mother, I'd guess -- filed some sort of suit against this Miller dude for abuse on Misty's behalf.

A 19-year-old girl, taking care of her boyfriend's 5-year-old -- someone else's kid -- and at least one other kid. A 19-year-old who may have been abused herself.

I don't know about you all, but I sure don't like the way this one is going so far.

Hmmmm, does Mistly still have contact with Jeremy Miller? Maybe his name needs to be run down? Anyone check to see if he's a SO?

[kiki the parrot]

i do too .. i just dont buy that someone came in there and took that child i think that girlfriend had someone take her or something to that effect for some reason she isnt supposed to have contact with the family ..

Even if gf isn't telling it right and indeed bears some responsibility, I have to allow the possibility that even if "guilty," she could still be guilty of something less than direct involvement, ie of leaving child/ren unattended, maybe while spaced out smoking or doing w/e... I wonder if presser at 7ET (after FBI's questioning) will reveal whether gf is even a person of interest... JMO
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[SWAG1959]

Hmmmm, does Mistly still have contact with Jeremy Miller? Maybe his name needs to be run down? Anyone check to see if he's a SO?
Don't know about the SO - but can't find anything on J. Miller in either Putnam or Baker counties so I don't know about the filing that Croslin's mother did - that report came out of Daytona Beach so I searched Volusia as well - not there - however a J. Miller divorced in Volusia county in 06

[mydailyopinions]

http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html

According to this report, bloodhounds pulled the blankets and such outside to try to make a difference between the scents of the children..
I don't know when this presser was done.

[impatientredhead]

Don't know about the SO - but can't find anything on J. Miller in either Putnam or Baker counties so I don't know about the filing that Croslin's mother did - that report came out of Daytona Beach so I searched Volusia as well - not there - however a J. Miller divorced in Volusia county in 06

I found that divorce record, but it did not seem that criminal records were on that site?

[momtective]

Oops, tried to post this on the other thread and found it closed...so I'll try here.
Two SO's within 1 mile of Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do
K. Johns date of photo is 2-9-09 just 8 days before Haleigh disappeared.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989
Here's a map of how close his home is to Haleigh's...0.1mile...that's like within a house or two.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=212+MONROE+AVE+SATSUMA++FL+32189&daddr=202+Green+Lane+Satsuma+Florida&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.576275,-81.672556&sspn=0.0092,0.019312&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=29.573931,-81.674775&spn=0.0046,0.009656&t=h&z=17

I hope LE is looking real hard at this guy. I'm trying to find out his release date...it looks like it was very recent because of the date of his photo, It would have been the same day he registered and usually they have 72 hours to register after release.

[zelmajane]

Swag, thank you for trying & Zelmajane THANK YOU for finding Ronald Cummings (dad) DOB/place of birth.

I am anxious to get girlfriend Misty's DOB/ place of birth and place of birth for little Haleigh if anyone can obtain.

Thanks in advance,
Soulscape

That is not his place of birth, just where he lived when they obtained his birthdate... I mean, it could be... But I'm not sure.

[zelmajane]

For Bio Mother...

Crystal Sheffield
All I can gather is July 1986

[Kimster]

LE on HLN right now

[Kimster]

They are having problems getting LE on the line.

[kiki the parrot]

Gf's guilt about being irresponsible or leaving could explain some of the numerous inconsistencies in her stories. It's also possible SOME of those apparent inconsistencies could simply have been the result of hurried reporting errors (we know THAT never happens...). Like when papers initially reported she was a COUSIN (not gf) of Haleigh's dad.
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[Kimster]

I'm looking forward to seeing what they know after the FBI is done questioning the GF

[zelmajane]

I looked for Misty's Mother, Lisa... (Her last name is Croslin right? Or is it different?)

Anyway, didn't find any in FL... But did find them in TN, WA, and CO.

[TakeNote]

Oops, tried to post this on the other thread and found it closed...so I'll try here.
Two SO's within 1 mile of Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do
K. Johns date of photo is 2-9-09 just 8 days before Haleigh disappeared.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989
Here's a map of how close his home is to Haleigh's...0.1mile...that's like within a house or two.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=212+MONROE+AVE+SATSUMA++FL+32189&daddr=202+Green+Lane+Satsuma+Florida&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.576275,-81.672556&sspn=0.0092,0.019312&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=29.573931,-81.674775&spn=0.0046,0.009656&t=h&z=17

I wonder how close the school is to either of these houses, or a play ground or bus stop...etc....that perhaps he could have seen the little girl...found out where she lived...etc....

[Kimster]

I still think the SO that Momtective pulled up seems really skeery. I'm sure LE looked into him right away! I hope they were able to search his home!

[TakeNote]

the case is up next on HLN next

[LeLe1953]

I am glad Tim is coming. I am seeing huge red flags. So far I have seen nothing of the father defending the gf..
However, I am seeing where he called her a dumb Bit** girlfriend..
I fear the worse in this case.

I am so happy Tim & team are on the way. My husband is in FL on business, Tampa & Orlando area but will delay his flight for Fri if he is needed. My son & I will try to fly down if we are needed. Let's all keep this family & all the TES volunteers in our prayers that we have as good an out come as they did with little Owen recently.

[cajun]

I still think the SO that Momtective pulled up seems really skeery. I'm sure LE looked into him right away! I hope they were able to search his home!

In the presser LE said they had just about searched everyone's houses in the neighborhood and were trying to get ahold of the owners of the empty places.. There are 44 registered SOs in a 5 Mile radius.

[kellync]

Who was watching this little one when the Dad was working nights before girlfriend came along??????????????????

[LeLe1953]

Little Dominick has an AMBER Alert in Arkansas. He also went missing yesterday. Yet, no news, no coverage, no huge reward. It would be nice if a few people from here would check out his thread.

I understand the draw to Haleigh's case. Another little girl missing in FL. But it would be nice to have this amount of interest in others as well.

Dominick's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79549

If he is not on TES website, please call them and get him on there.

[TakeNote]

I am so happy Tim & team are on the way. My husband is in FL on business, Tampa & Orlando area but will delay his flight for Fri if he is needed. My son & I will try to fly down if we are needed. Let's all keep this family & all the TES volunteers in our prayers that we have as good an out come as they did with little Owen recently.


:blowkiss: yes lots of prayers for family and TES!! :blowkiss:

[LeLe1953]

;)

Because you can only be so many places at once. Tim Miller will be the first to state that. Sadly they have to pick and choose which cases to pay attention to. There will always be more missing people than resources needed to find them.

I'm going to give LP the benefit of the doubt because he's putting up 25K of his own money. But I can tell you why KFN is heading there. Only high profile cases generate donations, KWIM?

Please also remember that TES will only go in when requested by law enforcement or the family. LE contacted them in this case.

[Kimster]

I am so happy Tim & team are on the way. My husband is in FL on business, Tampa & Orlando area but will delay his flight for Fri if he is needed. My son & I will try to fly down if we are needed. Let's all keep this family & all the TES volunteers in our prayers that we have as good an out come as they did with little Owen recently.

You got it!!! :praying: You don't know how much I pray they find her! They can't get there fast enough, in my opinion!

[Kimster]

Who was watching this little one when the Dad was working nights before girlfriend came along??????????????????

That's a good question! What if it was a neighbor or something?

[Tonia]

the part where in the 911 tape the dispacter asks her "When did you last see her"?
and she responds with" Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock." She was sleeping." I guess i have to keep in mind she is a child herself and i also noticed that when the police were interviewing the dad he wouldn't look in to the camera and he ignores his cellphone. If my daughter was missing i would at least look to see who is calling and also the change of tone in his voice when he is recounting the events.
May be very well nothing but just things i noticed.

[kellync]

That's a good question! What if it was a neighbor or something?
Or an ex girlfriend?

[nursebeeme]

I also thought of another plausibility... could the tween have had another boyfriend on the side or sketchy friends over to visit while her boyfriend was at work???

It is too early in the game to really know all of details of who was sleeping where, when, and who it was that got up to use the bathroom. It is, understandably, chaotic in their family right now. The boyfriend's adjective's used to describe his girlfriend could be out of anger and frustration with child being gone and projected onto her ~or~ they could be symptoms of a larger underlying problem. Either way, the father was clearly shocked and was not at home when his child vanished. If I were LE I would be looking at any and all people the girlfriend knew.....esp people the boyfriend had no clue about. For some reason the whole "bathroom" makes my hinkey meter vibrate right out of my pants pocket and smash on the floor...

Just thoughts of course...

[TakeNote]

the part where in the 911 tape the dispacter asks her "When did you last see her"?
and she responds with" Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock." She was sleeping." I guess i have to keep in mind she is a child herself and i also noticed that when the police were interviewing the dad he wouldn't look in to the camera and he ignores his cellphone. If my daughter was missing i would at least look to see who is calling and also the change of tone in his voice when he is recounting the events.
May be very well nothing but just things i noticed.

sounds to me like she may have left the kids alone around 10:00pm.....that could be why the father is so upset on the 911 calls towards the gf

[LeLe1953]

A poster asked in the last thread what can be done to help search for Hayleigh. IMO, the best thing at this point would be to donate to TES. I'm heading over there right now to do so.

Thank you & so true. I hope everyone knows TES is all volunteer & no one draws a pay check, including Tim Miller. They don't make up t-shirts or bracelets & sell them like Kid Finders has done. They get boots on the ground ,work with LE, the family, crawl/walk/hike thru whatever they need to in order to search. Searches are expensive, very expensive & all donations are always needed & of course appreciated.

[LaLaw2000]

I am so happy Tim & team are on the way. My husband is in FL on business, Tampa & Orlando area but will delay his flight for Fri if he is needed. My son & I will try to fly down if we are needed. Let's all keep this family & all the TES volunteers in our prayers that we have as good an out come as they did with little Owen recently.

:blowkiss:

Great, LeLe1953, my friend! I have such great faith in TM & TES, as well as LE, and the volunteers! Good for you, your husband, and son!

All of them are in my prayers as well! I hope little Haleigh can be found safe and sound. Time keeps flying past, and these first hours are so critical.

(I answered your other post on the previous thread!)

[Kimster]

I also thought of another plausibility... could the tween have had another boyfriend on the side or sketchy friends over to visit while her boyfriend was at work???

It is too early in the game to really know all of details of who was sleeping where, when, and who it was that got up to use the bathroom. It is, understandably, chaotic in their family right now. The boyfriend's adjective's used to describe his girlfriend could be out of anger and frustration with child being gone and projected onto her ~or~ they could be symptoms of a larger underlying problem. Either way, the father was clearly shocked and was not at home when his child vanished. If I were LE I would be looking at any and all people the girlfriend knew.....esp people the boyfriend had no clue about. For some reason the whole "bathroom" makes my hinkey meter vibrate right out of my pants pocket and smash on the floor...

Just thoughts of course...

I've been wondering the same thing. I wonder, too, if she knew the girl was missing before she said...not wanting BF to know she didn't call him right away. Perhaps she thought she could handle it on her own and didn't want to be the brunt of his anger. I'm sure she knew he'd be upset, of course, and was fearful. Especially if she had a history of an abusive relationship, which has been sleuthed here.

[Tonia]

I also thought of another plausibility... could the tween have had another boyfriend on the side or sketchy friends over to visit while her boyfriend was at work???

It is too early in the game to really know all of details of who was sleeping where, when, and who it was that got up to use the bathroom. It is, understandably, chaotic in their family right now. The boyfriend's adjective's used to describe his girlfriend could be out of anger and frustration with child being gone and projected onto her ~or~ they could be symptoms of a larger underlying problem. Either way, the father was clearly shocked and was not at home when his child vanished. If I were LE I would be looking at any and all people the girlfriend knew.....esp people the boyfriend had no clue about. For some reason the whole "bathroom" makes my hinkey meter vibrate right out of my pants pocket and smash on the floor...

Just thoughts of course...


I agree i think the whole bathroom charade is nonsense myself. I wondered the same thing about who she knew that he didnt and the curiosity of her maybe leaving for a few hours.

[nursebeeme]

the father seemed to crumble in on himself into the fetal position. I don't think he was faking that body language... but then again.... after Casey Anthony I don't think I can ever give a parent a pass easily again....ever...

If he isn't involved the sruitiny for him should be shortlived.

[poco]

So, I take it TES is coming in on this case. For all of you who have been following this closer than I have - what are you thoughts????

[Searchfortruth]

the part where in the 911 tape the dispacter asks her "When did you last see her"?
and she responds with" Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock." She was sleeping." I guess i have to keep in mind she is a child herself and i also noticed that when the police were interviewing the dad he wouldn't look in to the camera and he ignores his cellphone. If my daughter was missing i would at least look to see who is calling and also the change of tone in his voice when he is recounting the events.
May be very well nothing but just things i noticed.I thought the ignoring of the cell phone ring during the interview was strange as well considering the circumstances he is in.

[jnTexas]

Thank you & so true. I hope everyone knows TES is all volunteer & no one draws a pay check, including Tim Miller. They don't make up t-shirts or bracelets & sell them like Kid Finders has done. They get boots on the ground ,work with LE, the family, crawl/walk/hike thru whatever they need to in order to search. Searches are expensive, very expensive & all donations are always needed & of course appreciated.


very well put!! I will make a donation tonight to TES. Hope they find Haleigh.

[impatientredhead]

sounds to me like she may have left the kids alone around 10:00pm.....that could be why the father is so upset on the 911 calls towards the gf

That could be. She gets the kids to sleep at 10, leaves, someone takes the girl, and the teen sneaks back in before Dad gets home to find her gone.

[LeLe1953]

:blowkiss:

Great, LeLe1953, my friend! I have such great faith in TM & TES, as well as LE, and the volunteers! Good for you, your husband, and son!

All of them are in my prayers as well! I hope little Haleigh can be found safe and sound. Time keeps flying past, and these first hours are so critical.

(I answered your other post on the previous thread!)

Thanks, havent seen your answer on the other post. I dont know if we are needed, they might have more than enough folks. If we are though, we will do our best to be there or I can even fly down alone Friday.

[Kat]

Okay, I left for a couple hours and came back to read over 10 pages! A new thread too! You all have been so busy sleuthing. Lot's of good info..congrats:)

I'm glad to see our WS astrologers have been here to get info and hopefully do a chart, I read them everyday, I just don't post :blowkiss:

I am still focused on the GF but I'm glad there are WS'ers here looking into the RSO(s) so close to this child.

Keep up the good work!

[LeLe1953]

very well put!! I will make a donation tonight to TES. Hope they find Haleigh.

God Bless you & thank you. If I had a million bucks I would give it all to TES, I swear I would.

[kiki the parrot]

I wonder how close the school is to either of these houses, or a play ground or bus stop...etc....that perhaps he could have seen the little girl...found out where she lived...etc....

Yes exactly. Do we know if Haleigh was in kindergarten yet? Could she have walked home by herself from busstop eg past this SO's (KJ eg) address? Eeesh I say this because nearest elementary is 4.5 mis. (Browning-Pearce) or maybe she attended a preschool in which case she wouldn't be walking but maybe frequented nearby park as you say. JMO

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[LaLaw2000]

In the presser LE said they had just about searched everyone's houses in the neighborhood and were trying to get ahold of the owners of the empty places.. There are 44 registered SOs in a 5 Mile radius.


Hopefully no SO lives in the few houses LE hasn't gotten to search yet. I'm sure LE would ask their neighbors when the people left who weren't home and is it their habit to go out of town.

I wish all sex offenders had to have a city of their own to live in. I know that will never happen, but their should be some sort of restriction as to how close they (SO's) live to children. I think all SO's should have to do LWOP!

[TakeNote]

was the gf still attending school?

[miimaa]

I have to wonder if the girlfriend was in the habit of going out at night after the kids were in bed - propping the door open with a brick so she wouldn't be locked out - and getting back home before the Dad got off work...

[nursebeeme]

I've been wondering the same thing. I wonder, too, if she knew the girl was missing before she said...not wanting BF to know she didn't call him right away. Perhaps she thought she could handle it on her own and didn't want to be the brunt of his anger. I'm sure she knew he'd be upset, of course, and was fearful. Especially if she had a history of an abusive relationship, which has been sleuthed here.

umm...yeah~! I agree...I also want to go check out her myspace peeps and see if she had a facebook...

in the 911 tape the dispacter asks her "When did you last see her"?
and she responds with" Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock." She was sleeping."

nurse wonders who the WE is. And the umming and youknowing.... do those teenisms pervail under distress while being truthful when a child is missing????

[Kat]

Yes exactly. Do we know if Haleigh was in kindergarten yet? Could she have walked home by herself from busstop eg perhaps past SO's (KJ eg) address? Eeesh... I say this because nearest elementary is 4.5 miles (Browning-Pearce), or maybe she attended a preschool in which case she wouldn't be walking. She may have visited nearby park tho as you say. JMO

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Yes Kiki she was in kindergarten let me go find the link.

[SWAG1959]

Yes exactly. Do we know if Haleigh was in kindergarten yet? Could she have walked home by herself from busstop eg past this SO's (KJ eg) address? Eeesh I say this because nearest elementary is 4.5 mis. (Browning-Pearce) or maybe she attended a preschool in which case she wouldn't be walking but may have visited nearby park as you say. JMO

:parrot:
yes she was in school - check fox - I think that's where I saw it - dad said he picked her up at bus stop. So, I'm thinking that's why he worked 7PM to 3AM - that way he was home to take her to school and pick her up and also stay with younger son during day.

[INQUIRING MINDS]

I do not believe the Bio mom was ever married to Ronald. Her last name is Sheffield. The Putnam County Clerk records show that Ronald sought paternity in 2005 against her and at the time her name was Sheffield then and there was an injuction against her for domestic violence against a child. This may well explain why CPS was involved with this family before.
C Sheffield violated the injunction per Duval county records and her address is listed in Glen St Mary FL.

Also a couple of records on him. Wildlife violation and another that does not state the crime.

[poco]

Florida sure has more than its share of missing children, I'll tell ya that - what's up with that?

[LaLaw2000]

the part where in the 911 tape the dispacter asks her "When did you last see her"?
and she responds with" Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock." She was sleeping." I guess i have to keep in mind she is a child herself and i also noticed that when the police were interviewing the dad he wouldn't look in to the camera and he ignores his cellphone. If my daughter was missing i would at least look to see who is calling and also the change of tone in his voice when he is recounting the events.
May be very well nothing but just things i noticed.

Uh Oh! WHY would he ignore his cellphone? Couldn't it have been concerning his daughter? No matter who it is on caller ID, he could not have known it was NOT about Haleigh.

I think the Dad and the girlfriend know more than they are saying. I hope I am so wrong about the Dad.

[Kat]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110297?Title=Haleigh_s_story_depressingly_famil iar


"Her name is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. She is a kindergarten student at Browning-Pearce Elementary School in San Mateo, which is southeast of Palatka."

[mydailyopinions]

Uh Oh! WHY would he ignore his cellphone? Couldn't it have been concerning his daughter? No matter who it is on caller ID, he could not have known it was NOT about Haleigh.

I think the Dad and the girlfriend know more than they are saying. I hope I am so wrong about the Dad.

Me too LaLaw..
The dad was at work, so hopefully that will exclude him. I wonder when the last time anyone else seen this child other than the GF and the dad..

[nursebeeme]

just a sick little math problem: if there are 44 sos in 5 square miles statistically speaking there is one every 0.113 miles now that is scary and I can see why cops are pushing the abduction angle

[ROBLYN]

I am so happy Tim & team are on the way. My husband is in FL on business, Tampa & Orlando area but will delay his flight for Fri if he is needed. My son & I will try to fly down if we are needed. Let's all keep this family & all the TES volunteers in our prayers that we have as good an out come as they did with little Owen recently.

:blowkiss: Thank-You LeLe and Thank that wonderful husband of yours.Sending prayers and money to TES, and praying that she is found alive.

OMGosh these poor children....There are no words.....

:praying::praying:Please God watch over little Haleigh until she can be found safely and returned to her family, please comfort her and surround her with your love and light until she is returned.

I'm just sick.............

ETA: Just went to the TES site, they make it so simple to donate. Times are difficult for Everyone, but i can not begin to tell you how good it feels to donate. If you can not make a donation at this time, please keep it in mind. You can enter ANY amount into the donation field, and it is tax deductible. I know everyone will continue to pray regardless, just wanted to give my experience. Keeping Haleigh in my prayers....

[MeoW333]

Uh Oh! WHY would he ignore his cellphone? Couldn't it have been concerning his daughter? No matter who it is on caller ID, he could not have known it was NOT about Haleigh.

I think the Dad and the girlfriend know more than they are saying. I hope I am so wrong about the Dad.

He could have different ring tones set to different numbers, so potentially he could have known who was calling.
I don't think it odd he didn't answer it, he was in the middle of an interview.

[nursebeeme]

http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html
link for the earlier news conference....15 minutes long sorry if someone already posted it

[marla]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.


:eek: That's a very scary thought! :eek:

[MeoW333]

I don't blame him for wanting to take the law into his own hands and shoot a sex offender. We're all better off the less SO's there are out there.

[Kat]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/-1/NEWS05?Title=Haleigh_s_mom___It_s_tearing_me_apart _

Okay earlier we had a twitter report that the bio-mom stated the GF treated her children good.

In this article the bio-mom states:

"Sheffield said she doesn't know Cummings' girlfriend, but from what she heard she always treated the children well."

[colomom]

Florida sure has more than its share of missing children, I'll tell ya that - what's up with that?

just a sick little math problem: if there are 44 sos in 5 square miles statistically speaking there is one every 0.113 miles now that is scary and I can see why cops are pushing the abduction angle


Maybe nursebeeme has answered your question poco, eh?

[Kimster]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/-1/NEWS05?Title=Haleigh_s_mom___It_s_tearing_me_apart _

Okay earlier we had a twitter report that the bio-mom stated the GF treated her children good.

In this article the bio-mom states:

"Sheffield said she doesn't know Cummings' girlfriend, but from what she heard she always treated the children well."

I saw her state that on the bio-mom video interview that Nursebeeme provided.

[Kimster]

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/reporters-notebook-national-fo.html

Link that gives you an idea of what is going on in the area today.

[kiki the parrot]

Hopefully no SO lives in the few houses LE hasn't gotten to search yet. I'm sure LE would ask their neighbors when the people left who weren't home and is it their habit to go out of town.

I wish all sex offenders had to have a city of their own to live in. I know that will never happen, but their should be some sort of restriction as to how close they (SO's) live to children. I think all SO's should have to do LWOP!

(bold mine) N/K! :( After a SO websearch of our neighborhood, I discovered reg'd SO in apt. community right across the street (my daughter is just six now, five at the time) and they were evicted btw after I alerted mgmt. It's very important to do these checks regularly, of course even that isnt failproof since there are still unregistered SO's... :rolleyes:

yes she was in school - check fox - I think that's where I saw it - dad said he picked her up at bus stop. So, I'm thinking that's why he worked 7PM to 3AM - that way he was home to take her to school and pick her up and also stay with younger son during day.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110297?Title=Haleigh_s_story_depressingly_famil iar

"Her name is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. She is a kindergarten student at Browning-Pearce Elementary School in San Mateo, which is southeast of Palatka."

TY so much Kat and SWAG :blowkiss: So at least she wasn't walking home from busstop alone anyway. Wondering where the nearest park is or if she was permitted to play unsupervised... dear Lord I pray not because these SO's unfortunately probably scout for any kids who aren't closely watched. Heartbreaking, please keep praying for this little angel and for Dominick too. JMO
:parrot:

[RiverRat]

A good frind of mine stated she thought he was a redneck. Who would gladly take the law into his own hands. Not my words my friends!!!

She said there are alot of good old boys down in Fl & wouldn't think twice about shooting someone who had violated there daughter. Once again not my words my FRIEND said that.

I'll vouch for your friends words.....it's not all retired Northerns down here by any means. Nor Beach Bums unless you are lucky enough to be Coastal. So all inbetween is as far South as you can get, but the redneck term....all States have them, but there are still definitely some of the The Good Old Boys......i.e. Mark Lunsford and what he would have done had he found Couey before the cops did. IMO.....

This rare Native Floridian have never been more sad about my beloved home state, this sadness started building in the Eighties and I pray for relief from this nightmare of yet one more child somewhere where she is not supposed to be. I am one that actually worked hard to help prevent more people from becoming victims by lobbying for stronger laws and tougher sentences and those changes were implemented. Years later, I see that it has had no effect on these Monsters and my heart hurts even more.

[Kat]

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/reporters-notebook-national-fo.html

Link that gives you an idea of what is going on in the area today.

Thanks Kimster, I am still stuck with only text here. No audio. I guess I need to break down and buy some speakers to go with this new moniter.

[tfrohning]

That could be. She gets the kids to sleep at 10, leaves, someone takes the girl, and the teen sneaks back in before Dad gets home to find her gone.

Oh my gosh this idea just cross my thoughts too. The little girl could wroke up and found no one in house and wander off. but my grandson would stand in midlle house screaming he five.

[swanniee11]

I wonder who watched her before the g/f came into the picture. Also, do we know if this school had all day kindergarten or 1/2 day?

[kellync]

I have to wonder if the girlfriend was in the habit of going out at night after the kids were in bed - propping the door open with a brick so she wouldn't be locked out - and getting back home before the Dad got off work...
Good thought, Impatientredhead had a similar idea. Sounds like a possibility. When I was seventeen. sheesh....Dont want to go there...

[SWAG1959]

do we know if Florida has an all day kindergarten or 1/2 day.
All kindergarten is encompassed within the public schools. They usually attend elementary and MOST of the time hours are same for all children. I know there are some that do half day - I'll go check the school's website.

[SuziQ]

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/reporters-notebook-national-fo.html

Link that gives you an idea of what is going on in the area today.

That's a very good synopsis. Interesting about compiling a 30 day timeline.

[LaLaw2000]

He could have different ring tones set to different numbers, so potentially he could have known who was calling.
I don't think it odd he didn't answer it, he was in the middle of an interview.

That's true, but it could have still been about Haleigh no matter who it was calling. Answering my cell phone would take precedence over an interview if my daughter was missing!

[tehcloser]

Or tweens bf was there H woke up and they were afraid she would tell dad, that would explain the "WE" too.

[SusanNV]

Anyone notice the weird similarity in the names? Haleigh - Caylee? No point to that, just a uneasy coincidence. I just pray that the girlfriend didn't see the similarity and pick the day of Caylee's funeral thinking a) to free up the father and/or b) picking that day to catapult herself into the dubious KC-type spotlight. Hope I'm just cynical and little Haleigh is home ASAP.

[Kimster]

I don't blame him for wanting to take the law into his own hands and shoot a sex offender. We're all better off the less SO's there are out there.

A couple of hours ago there was a discussion on HLN about casterating sex offenders! They said there is a state that is considering this! Prolly would make an interesting thread in the jury room.

Sorry, off topic.

[SWAG1959]

From what I can tell kindergarten hours are same - 8 AM - 2PM. This is a BIG elementary school. LOTS of teachers and classes.

FYI - here's the school's website:

http://bpes.putnamschools.org/index.html

[Carrington]

I am hoping the SO's are mostly related to sex with minor girlfriends, which also seems to be the case here.
IMO

[SailorMoon]

Or tweens bf was there H woke up and they were afraid she would tell dad, that would explain the "WE" too.


Man oh man....unfortunately..that makes a lot of sense to me. I hope I'm wrong.

[Silver~Bell]

Uh Oh! WHY would he ignore his cellphone? Couldn't it have been concerning his daughter? No matter who it is on caller ID, he could not have known it was NOT about Haleigh.
.

I have certain ringtones assigned to certain numbers. I can tell by the ring who is calling me -- if it's "ringtone Q" or whatever, I know it's my husband. If it's "ringtone XYZ" I know it's my cousin, etc.

[kiki the parrot]

Oh my gosh this idea just cross my thoughts too. The little girl could wroke up and found no one in house and wander off. but my grandson would stand in midlle house screaming he five.

Exactly, I asked same thing... as scared as she may have been of the dark, which would be scarier--awakening and staying in a house where you find no adults... or opening one of the doors to look and see if you can find someone... she might have sat on porch to wait eg, or just gone back inside w/out relocking PLEZ I hope this gf didn't leave! JMO
:parrot:

[Kimster]

From what I can tell kindergarten hours are same - 8 AM - 2PM. This is a BIG elementary school. LOTS of teachers and classes.

FYI - here's the school's website:

http://bpes.putnamschools.org/index.html

THanks Swag! :blowkiss:

[cajun]

Thanks Kimster, I am still stuck with only text here. No audio. I guess I need to break down and buy some speakers to go with this new moniter.

Does your monitor not have speakers in it?

[bogeygal]

Thinking that the FBI questioning today of the GF may yield many more answers. I can't imagine how a 17 year old will handle the questions. Wonder if she lawyered up or took a poly, or spoke willingly on her own about the event.

I know if my child was involved in a situation as frightening as this, I would do anything to help protect her or him. Where are her parents?

[Kimster]

I am hoping the SO's are mostly related to sex with minor girlfriends, which also seems to be the case here.
IMO

In Oregon, they don't list them like that. They only list the "higher classed" offenders. Not sure how they draw that line, but they do.

[tfrohning]

Anyone notice the weird similarity in the names? Haleigh - Caylee? No point to that, just a uneasy coincidence. I just pray that the girlfriend didn't see the similarity and pick the day of Caylee's funeral thinking a) to free up the father and/or b) picking that day to catapult herself into the dubious KC-type spotlight. Hope I'm just cynical and little Haleigh is home ASAP.
Yes i did. but what really got hinkey button going is it happen the day of Caylee memorial, That distured me.

[tehcloser]

Man oh man....unfortunately..that makes a lot of sense to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Yeah...it makes scary sense, especially if tween had bf convinced dad was a bad azz. I wish we knew if she had a bf...

[kiki the parrot]

Yes! Hope they can give this gf a poly! JMO
:parrot:

[Angel Who Cares]

Padilla offers reward for abducted girl

<snipped>
Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who for several months in 2008 had been engaged in the search for Orlando toddler Caylee Marie Anthony, is now offering a $25,000 reward for the safe return of another missing girl.
Article:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

LP has a big heart no matter what some feel about him. He is stepping up & offering $ & that speaks a lot for about him.
Again I hope this isn't a repeat still catching up on this thread 7 several others today!
:angel:

[tehcloser]

Yes! Hope they can give this gf a poly! JMO
:parrot:

Yes! And quickly!

[tehcloser]

Fixin to update on HLN

[SWAG1959]

Thinking that the FBI questioning today of the GF may yield many more answers. I can't imagine how a 17 year old will handle the questions. Wonder if she lawyered up or took a poly, or spoke willingly on her own about the event.

I know if my child was involved in a situation as frightening as this, I would do anything to help protect her or him. Where are her parents?
ITA - it must be very scary for this 17 yr old. HOWEVER, IF it was my child - I would be there (no lawyer yet) just me and hubby sitting with her while they questioned her. Encouraging her to be honest and watching and listening to her as well. I don't know if she did or has anything to do with it BUT there is a lot we don't know and that CPS stuff has me really wondering. IF it was my child and I believed she was either NOT being honest or after the questioning had my hinky meter going off - I certainly wouldn't do a "Cindy A" turnaround. Nope - she would be on her own and I would be heading right over to TES command center to sign up to search!!!!

We don't know enough about all this yet and I do hope her parents are sensible, logical and caring enough to be with her. IIRC FBI can't question a minor w/o a guardian ad litem present. Isn't that why those cops out west are in trouble for questioning that 8 yr old boy about shooting his dad? There was no other adult in the room.

[kholloway]

very well put!! I will make a donation tonight to TES. Hope they find Haleigh.


I haven't heard of them being called in on this search, but I would suggest that anyone who supports these type orgs, consider a donation to either Laura Recovery Center or Klaas Kids Search Center as well. I have never been able to get TES to show interest in my childrens case, but both of these groups have searched for Jennifer and Adrianna. They are also all volunteer and non profit. I can not explain why TES has never shown any interest in helping with any of the searches done for my children.......I wish they had.

[CharlestonGal]

Yes! Hope they can give this gf a poly! JMO
:parrot:

How does that work with minors? Does a parent have to consent, or be present? Or an attorney or juvenile social worker or something? I would think so.

Anyone know how that works in FL?

[mydailyopinions]

How does that work with minors? Does a parent have to consent, or be present? Or an attorney or juvenile social worker or something? I would think so.

Anyone know how that works in FL?

I always thought that polly's were voluntary. If so, I wouldn't think they would need parental consent..not at 17
Not sure though.

[tehcloser]

No leads yet, treating like an abduction, no ruling anyone out as pois.

[Kat]

Does your monitor not have speakers in it?

Nope cajun I failed to take notice when I ordered it online. It's okay I'll buy some new ones. Sorry for the OT to everyone

[tehcloser]

I haven't heard of them being called in on this search, but I would suggest that anyone who supports these type orgs, consider a donation to either Laura Recovery Center or Klaas Kids Search Center as well. I have never been able to get TES to show interest in my childrens case, but both of these groups have searched for Jennifer and Adrianna. They are also all volunteer and non profit. I can not explain why TES has never shown any interest in helping with any of the searches done for my children.......I wish they had.

I am so sorry. I misread that. I did not realize you were talking about your children. Forgive me for misreading that. Yes by all means someone needs to put a bug in Tims ear!

[gibby207]

Okay, I left for a couple hours and came back to read over 10 pages! A new thread too! You all have been so busy sleuthing. Lot's of good info..congrats:)

I'm glad to see our WS astrologers have been here to get info and hopefully do a chart, I read them everyday, I just don't post :blowkiss:

I am still focused on the GF but I'm glad there are WS'ers here looking into the RSO(s) so close to this child.

Keep up the good work!

OOO! I'm very interested in what the WS astologers have to say.

[Dr. Know?]

kholloway, maybe some of our members who know TM could put a bug in his ear. I will too, but he doesn't know me. So sorry that you have had this happen to your family. This is really getting to be bad in a lot of areas. Prayers to you.

[kholloway]

Did the family or LE request help from TES on the ones you worked on?


Yes, we have. In the beginning, almost five years ago.

[tehcloser]

Yes, we have. In the beginning, almost five years ago.


I misread ....I am sorry!!!! My prayers to you. Maybe someone can talk to Tim on your behalf. (((((hugs)))))))

[Kat]

I wonder if JVM will cover the search for Haleigh tonight? Anyone know? What about NG?

[SuziQ]

Less than half hour to the presser. Does anyone have links? Thanks!

[kholloway]

I misread ....I am sorry!!!! My prayers to you. Maybe someone can talk to Tim on your behalf. (((((hugs)))))))

That's ok..........thanks for the offer, but I don't think that there are anymore searches planned for my girls, the police have just let the case go cold.

In the beginning TES had Jennifer and Adrianna listed on their website and sent me flyers to post, but now I don't even think that they are on their website. I don't know why that is.

Thanks again.

[Scorpian]

Anyone know if there may be some surveillance (sp?) camera's near by that may have captured something that time of night? If there is there may still be time to check them before they are recorded over. That's one of the first things I'd be doing, I'd check every store or business in the area.

[Tonia]

Anyone gets links to the pressor please post. Thank you!

[Carrington]

Less than half hour to the presser. Does anyone have links? Thanks!

Bump!

My search was a failure story....anyone ??????

[frankieiiiieee]

In Oregon, they don't list them like that. They only list the "higher classed" offenders. Not sure how they draw that line, but they do.

Im gonna be honest here it's sad but if you go to watchdog.com and look at the offenders in the area they are color coded....red is for offenses against children....unfortunately it is mostly red squares ////: this is the jacksonville area which is very close to putnum county.... :(:( i just love children its so hard to imagine such horrible ppl....Does anyone think this could be drug related?

[nursebeeme]

this is a link for the earlier presser
http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html

for some reason it is not working:

-door was ajar... has not been determined to have been locked. was not kicked
-the gf has been interviewed. fbi may also interview her. they have to be very careful with her due to who she is and what she is (not sure what that meant...perhaps her age)
-gf is in the care of her family
-everyone is a suspect. everyone interviewed has been offered a polly; will not disclose who did or who did not or results due to investigation
-mother received le notification that blood hounds tracked to edge of water; could be due to nature of the wind.. if we really thought the child was in the water you would be seeing a lot more activity than what you are seeing
-boats and aviation will continue over the water and area including infared
-no reason to think she wandered off she is afraid of the dark
-grid search: they may be doing one.. they are widening the search... bringing volunteer groups in tomorrow or friday
-media asks about homes searched and sos in the area.... le says they have searched and will research again and again and again... a few homes that are not lived in and they are working on getting into those homes with landowners
-they are also considering sos on the other side of the river because of boat access... a lot of sos have been self reporting in
-they believe the line in the sand, per se, could be wider than this area....but they are also going to look that way too....meaning a mobile offender
-brick: back door was propped open with cinder block...it is heavy and they are testing it
-blankets were brought out to isolate scent
-they are getting a lot of tips
-reinforced...getting a lot of tips
-never safe to say that someone in the family is not a suspect.... family is cooperating... no difficult persons... no confrontational situations
-few leads talked about cars and persons that do not live in florida....it is premature... they are working them
-leads are difficult...
-they have to run them all down with equal value
-they will not quit until they have talked to all of the sos
-no custody issues
father has custody
-no parental abduction type situation
-volunteers will rally tomorrow....may be out there tonight..... around seven will be the next pressor after they have several le meetings

[Thrs0806]

I hope JVM runs the Press Conference. I have to wonder why they are giving a 2nd PC in one day if they have nothing else to tell us other than what they had at 2pm. Hopefully the interview with gf today has given them more information.

Praying for good news and bracing for....well we all know how that statement ends............

[luckyme]

This is a pretty remote area. The only thing would be a convience store for the cameras.

[Carrington]

Anyone know if there may be some surveillance (sp?) camera's near by that may have captured something that time of night? If there is there may still be time to check them before they are recorded over. That's one of the first things I'd be doing, I'd check every store or business in the area.

I was thinking maybe someone saw the girlfriend out and about that night.
Local pubs in the area?

[kellync]

Nope cajun I failed to take notice when I ordered it online. It's okay I'll buy some new ones. Sorry for the OT to everyone
Send me a pm, I have 3 sets in the closet, P.O. box if you feel safer. Ill be glad to send you a set!! Payin it forward!!!

[SuziQ]

this is a link for the earlier presser
http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html

Thank you. I hope it works. I'm not finding anything, and the search engine I use Newslink.org is bogged down and very slow today.

[Dr. Know?]

In the presser earlier the man (Policeman speaking) said if not tonight around 7pm, it would be in the morning. That was at the end of the presser.

[Tonia]

I read in one of the articles on Gainsville.com that they were all offered polys but LE would not discuss who came forward to do so.

[Soulscape]

For Bio Mother...

Crystal Sheffield
All I can gather is July 1986


Thanks Zelmajane.

We are starting a thread for Haleigh on the Forensic Astrology Forum. If you (or anyone else) can help us gather birth info, please post there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79576





Thanks,
Soulscape

[marla]

Yes, we have. In the beginning, almost five years ago.

kholloway .. *hugs*

Has here been a thread started here about your girls?
Might be a good idea ..

[gibby207]

Thanks Zelmajane.

We are starting a thread for Haleigh on the Forensic Astrology Forum. If you (or anyone else) can help us gather birth info, please post there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79576





Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you Soulscape!!

[Scorpian]

This is a pretty remote area. The only thing would be a convience store for the cameras.

Oh, I understand remote areas, we live "out in the sticks" but our local convience store "out in the sticks" has great cameras, and to get to any major town or highway you would have to pass something similar. It was just a thought, but I'm sure LE has already done this.

Are you familiar with the area? Not give away your location, just wondering if you know the area? I hope its ok to ask?:o

[SuziQ]

Well no live links. I wonder if there is one tonight?

[SuziQ]

GSReporters (http://twitter.com/GSReporters) 7pm press conference canceled. No further information will be discussed until tomorrow morning.

[Amity]

I am not groaning... (respectfully LA :-) because

1)they are posting a 25k reward
2)they are coming off a case that is similar...they have experience
3)they will keep the media focused on the case
Quoted from: nursebeeme (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=31663)


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news..._girl_abducted (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted)

Leonard Padilla is offering 25k reward for safe return of Haleigh
------------------------------------------------
NurseBee *long time no-see - waves wildly*

Thank you so much for that link. I've been in and out all day and it was nice to come back and find it.

First, I groaned...as in 'here we go again' but then I read your next post and wanted to say Thank you! I love coming here and reading new perspectives.
I feel the same way....Keep it in the media, I don't care how or who at this point because I'm sick...sick at what's happening to our children.:(

[Kat]

Thanks Zelmajane.

We are starting a thread for Haleigh on the Forensic Astrology Forum. If you (or anyone else) can help us gather birth info, please post there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79576





Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you so much Soulscape :blowkiss:

I read those threads everyday, I can't wait to read one for Hayleigh.

[SummerRaye]

GSReporters (http://twitter.com/GSReporters) 7pm press conference canceled. No further information will be discussed until tomorrow morning.

Shoot...that means nothing has really chnaged, I gather.
I'm still waiting for facts...but I'm waiting for some facts on Caylee as well...I wont hold my breath

[Kat]

Okay going to watch JVM and NG to see if they have anything about Haleigh on, everyone have a good night and I can't wait to read what is posted tonight..in the morning:seeya:

[Thrs0806]

JVM is covering Haleigh's case (later in the hour) but no press conference so I'm thinking there isn't one at 7.

[cjk2009]

GSReporters (http://twitter.com/GSReporters) 7pm press conference canceled. No further information will be discussed until tomorrow morning.

I wonder what they canceled it for? A big break, perhaps?

[nursebeeme]

Thank you. I hope it works. I'm not finding anything, and the search engine I use Newslink.org is bogged down and very slow today.
Q...for some reason when I clicked on my own link it didn't work.... I had the video already in another screen so I watched it and typed up the synopsis.... look back up at my post again to see the synopsis... they said that then next presser would be around seven but they had to have a bunch of le meetings first.

[kholloway]

kholloway .. *hugs*

Has here been a thread started here about your girls?
Might be a good idea ..



Yes, there has been one here pretty much the entire time they've been missing. It's on this same forum, a few threads down. Some one was kind enough to bump it this morning..........thank you.

Praying for Haleigh tonight and all the missing children......I wish we could bring them all home!

[nursebeeme]

Quoted from: nursebeeme (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=31663)


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news..._girl_abducted (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted)

Leonard Padilla is offering 25k reward for safe return of Haleigh
------------------------------------------------
NurseBee *long time no-see - waves wildly*

Thank you so much for that link. I've been in and out all day and it was nice to come back and find it.

First, I groaned...as in 'here we go again' but then I read your next post and wanted to say Thank you! I love coming here and reading new perspectives.
I feel the same way....Keep it in the media, I don't care how or who at this point because I'm sick...sick at what's happening to our children.:(
Hey Amity!!! Nurse waving wildly at you too! Believe it or not, I groaned first too LOL... but I am a glass half full girl and had to think of some of the good things... I think it will do good for the case. Good to see you Amity! :dance:

[SuziQ]

GSReporters (http://twitter.com/GSReporters) Search is off for tonight, but officers will remain in the area and secure the home where Haleigh Ann-Marie was last seen Monday night.

[nursebeeme]

GSReporters (http://twitter.com/GSReporters) 7pm press conference canceled. No further information will be discussed until tomorrow morning.thanks Q! I also noticed on your link that le is going to secure the home where she went missing from tonight.... Does that strike anyone else as a little bit LATE in the game??? Esp in terms of gathering evidence from a possible stranger abduction? Not sure what all the rest of you peeps think?