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nursebeeme
02-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Continue here

Thread number 2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3295894

The first thread in Haleigh's case
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79505

marla
02-11-2009, 10:45 PM
Thank you for the new thread!

:seeya:

babycat
02-11-2009, 10:45 PM
Dragging this over from the other thread...

I only caught part of the interview with the dad,who was the girl beside him?
Haleigh's aunt...I assume paternal



Thanks for the new thread, Nurse

Tonia
02-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Thanks babycat,i missed that.

gibby207
02-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Okay, what video is everyone talking about with the heavy man in the background? We should still see what SOs are around the bio-mom in GA as he might have access to her when she visits bio-mom, KWIM?

shadow of my mind
02-11-2009, 10:49 PM
The PDM Bridge company does fabriacation at the location where he works. They have an extensive website. Dosen't sound as though the father would work at any of the on- site places. They said on the website that they work with construction companies that build the roads. I would think that this company would send a supervisor and a project manager to the location to insure proper install. They have several opening on line for jobs. Good company benifits packag also. You can google the name and it pops up at the top of the list.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 10:52 PM
The SO from the other thread. Is there a way to find out exactly what their offense was?

Tonia
02-11-2009, 10:52 PM
Time for me to call it a night. Hopefully i will wake up to good news in the morning. Praying for her and her family.

Amster
02-11-2009, 10:52 PM
I think if a SO took her....he had been watching her....watching the family routine....someone close by like the puke who lives 500 ft. away!

Now, I just need to get past the deadbolt and the gf not noticing Haleigh being snatched from the bed beside her.....

SuziQ
02-11-2009, 10:53 PM
Info from Gainesville.com

Live Twitter updates:
http://www.twitter.com/GSReporters

Photos:
Searching for Haleigh Cummings (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=GS&Dato=20090211&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=211009997&Ref=PH&Profile=1002&show=galleries)



Video: Interview with father of missing 5-year-old (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/VIDEO/902100302/1002) | Video

A depressingly familiar Florida story (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949/1002)
Father's urgency, rage heard on 911 recordings (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110942/1002)
Haleigh's mom: 'It's tearing me apart' (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/1002)
A depressingly familiar Florida story (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949)
Satsuma waits and worries for a little girl (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110946)
Law enforcement checking on Putnam-area sex offenders (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110944)
Father's urgency, rage heard on 911 recordings (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110942)
Haleigh's mom: 'It's tearing me apart' (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939)
Dad of missing Leesburg boy supports Haleigh's family (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110928)
Authorities: No suspects in case of missing Putnam girl (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902100984)

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 10:53 PM
Well...I went back to catch up on the last thread...poof.

kellync
02-11-2009, 10:54 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989#

AAH, a handsome fella. GROSS. I like several ideas I have read here:
#1-Someone came in the front door and left out the back door.---excellent thought
#2-The girlfriend is suspicious. I would bet you a dollar her parents will be so tired of the scrutiny, and after the Grandmother came out and said the children had complained of being hit--they will release some sort of statement soon. Something along the lines of" our daughter was scared of the father of these children, the kids mother is the one to look at,our daughter got mixed up and over her head with this guy, etc etc etc....put the blame elsewhere.
#3-Why would the dad say crowbar unless there was evidence of a crowbar? I know, I know I said I liked the "in the front door, out the back door" idea, but he would know if there were marks on the backdoor, maybe he is dying to have his daughter back, LE has told him not to say anything, but he couldn't help himself. I am sure he feels like no one understands how he feels right now....
#4-The post about castration island? yeah, I'd vote for that.

babycat
02-11-2009, 10:54 PM
Okay, I have to step away from this for a bit...I hope there is good news tomorrow.

Night guys...

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 10:55 PM
I think if a SO took her....he had been watching her....watching the family routine....someone close by like the puke who lives 500 ft. away!

Now, I just need to get past the deadbolt and the gf not noticing Haeigh being snatched from the bed beside her.....

I can't wrap my mind around that. Wait outside in hopes the G/F would go to the bathroom? And I just read that the Mom's GM said the bathroom was in the bedroom? Aye aye aye!

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 10:56 PM
Okay, what video is everyone talking about with the heavy man in the background? We should still see what SOs are around the bio-mom in GA as he might have access to her when she visits bio-mom, KWIM?I asked about the man standing behind the father's mom at the vigil. Is this the man you are talking about?

momtective
02-11-2009, 10:56 PM
Pulling this over...sorry guys if I'm irritating you with this but the thread has been moving fast and I'm just blown away that he lives so close.

This is him and here's a link to his info http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=8989#
He lives 500 feet from Haleigh's home.
His photo was updated on 2-2-09. He was received on 2-21-08
His crime was committed in 1995
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/CallImage.jpg

This guy is a registered sexual predator and lives 0.5 miles from Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=27045
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/TimothyRandolph.jpg

I have the case # for KJ but can't find any info on him in Putnam County.

Mods if this violates TOS please remove.

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:01 PM
There are 8 sex offenders living in Glen St. Mary where Crystal Sheffield lives.

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:01 PM
I asked about the man standing behind the father's mom at the vigil. Is this the man you are talking about?

Yes...

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Info from Gainesville.com

Live Twitter updates:
http://www.twitter.com/GSReporters

Photos:
Searching for Haleigh Cummings (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=GS&Dato=20090211&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=211009997&Ref=PH&Profile=1002&show=galleries)



Video: Interview with father of missing 5-year-old (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/VIDEO/902100302/1002) | Video

A depressingly familiar Florida story (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949/1002)
Father's urgency, rage heard on 911 recordings (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110942/1002)
Haleigh's mom: 'It's tearing me apart' (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/1002)
A depressingly familiar Florida story (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949)
Satsuma waits and worries for a little girl (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110946)
Law enforcement checking on Putnam-area sex offenders (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110944)
Father's urgency, rage heard on 911 recordings (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110942)
Haleigh's mom: 'It's tearing me apart' (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939)
Dad of missing Leesburg boy supports Haleigh's family (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110928)
Authorities: No suspects in case of missing Putnam girl (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902100984)


Thank You!

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:03 PM
Pulling this over...sorry guys if I'm irritating you with this but the thread has been moving fast and I'm just blown away that he lives so close.

This is him and here's a link to his info http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=8989#
He lives 500 feet from Haleigh's home.
His photo was updated on 2-2-09. He was received on 2-21-08
His crime was committed in 1995
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/CallImage.jpg

This guy is a registered sexual predator and lives 0.5 miles from Haleigh's home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=27045
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/TimothyRandolph.jpg

I have the case # for KJ but can't find any info on him in Putnam County.

Mods if this violates TOS please remove.

You aren't irritating! I have found 8 sex offenders who live in Glen St. Mary where her mother lives.

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32040.html

In other words, maybe he knew her from her mom and abducted her from her fathers.

Littleone48
02-11-2009, 11:04 PM
I have been reading this thread all day and just wanted to post my thoughts.

#1 17 yo with a 24 year old is really not as bad as some think. It depends on how mature she is and what has happened to her in her life. I really don't frown upon this.

#2 Not waking up when the girl was taken. Maybe she was woken up when the girl was taken, she probably doesn't realize it.

#3 I think the dad is being truthful. He knows nothing

#4 I need to hear more about the girlfriend. At this point we know nothing. We don't know how mature she is etc. To accuse her of leaving the kids, or having a friend or lover over is unfair. I agree parts of her story sound odd but until we get some background on her it's not fair.

#5 A SO? Very possible. One of these could have been watching her and their habits. I get a bad vibe from the 1st picture of the SO nearby. He was just released so I think he would be the one to really check on.

Just my thoughts. I pray that they find her alive. May God be with her!:(

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:05 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

This guy - I can't find any arrest record for him. He's the one who lives closest to the Cummings - literally a few houses away. His offense is LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL).

Now this guy: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045. He really scares me. The thing about him, though, is he is supervised: Serving a court-ordered term of community monitoring under the authority of the Department of Corrections and/or the Florida Parole Commission. His permanent address is 1/2 mile from the Cummings. A 7 minute walk.

He also has a notation (Predator) next to his name. (Gives me the chills!)

His offense: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL). I can't even begin to tell you how utterly horrified I am by the description of this.

mydailyopinions
02-11-2009, 11:09 PM
I pray to god this child is okay. I am almost afraid to sleep tonight thinking about where she could be at..
I am sickened that there is a SO living 500 ft away! I will get even more sicker if someone knew it and didn't share it with the people who live nearby..
I swear, our laws should make it to where a SO should have to place a sign on there lawn saying they are a registered offender..
And for those who shouldn't be registered, they should just be required to register, because I do feel that some don't deserve the status.. (such as my parents neighbor, whom was 18 dating a 15 year old, whose parents allowed it for 10 months)

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:10 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

This guy - I can't find any arrest record for him. He's the one who lives closest to the Cummings - literally a few houses away. His offense is LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL).

Now this guy: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045. He really scares me. The thing about him, though, is he is supervised: Serving a court-ordered term of community monitoring under the authority of the Department of Corrections and/or the Florida Parole Commission. His permanent address is 1/2 mile from the Cummings. A 7 minute walk.

He also has a notation (Predator) next to his name. (Gives me the chills!)

His offense: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL). I can't even begin to tell you how utterly horrified I am by the description of this.

Your second guy does scare me, and I question how he's monitored.... but I still think that if an abduction occured, the person who abducted her had to have known her, even for a short time. Therefore, I was looking into the SOs where her mom lived, as in she met this person, maybe neighbor, family friend, love interest of bio-mom, for a few weeks. Maybe this person drove the 90+ miles to abduct her.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:11 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

This guy - I can't find any arrest record for him. He's the one who lives closest to the Cummings - literally a few houses away. His offense is LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL).

Now this guy: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045. He really scares me. The thing about him, though, is he is supervised: Serving a court-ordered term of community monitoring under the authority of the Department of Corrections and/or the Florida Parole Commission. His permanent address is 1/2 mile from the Cummings. A 7 minute walk.

He also has a notation (Predator) next to his name. (Gives me the chills!)

His offense: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL). I can't even begin to tell you how utterly horrified I am by the description of this.

I'm horrified with you!! I'm sure LE has checked them out. Again, good goobly goo!!

tehcloser
02-11-2009, 11:11 PM
The guy that lives 500 feet from the home interests me....I could see a bored 17 year old getting mixed up with him and not knowing what she got herself into. Since dad picked daughter up...sounds like maybe they only have 1 car? And I bet SO would be offering to help kwim? And if she was mixed up with him in someway....that would make access eaiser.

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:12 PM
This guy, near bio-mom, could be a harmless neighbor, grandpa type. But, he's convicted of sexual battery in a child under 12.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8342

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:13 PM
I pray to god this child is okay. I am almost afraid to sleep tonight thinking about where she could be at..
I am sickened that there is a SO living 500 ft away! I will get even more sicker if someone knew it and didn't share it with the people who live nearby..
I swear, our laws should make it to where a SO should have to place a sign on there lawn saying they are a registered offender..
And for those who shouldn't be registered, they should just be required to register, because I do feel that some don't deserve the status.. (such as my parents neighbor, whom was 18 dating a 15 year old, whose parents allowed it for 10 months)

I agree. We need to go back to the stocks as well as castration for these perps. We need to make the punishment horrendous. And swift!!! JMO

momtective
02-11-2009, 11:14 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

This guy - I can't find any arrest record for him. He's the one who lives closest to the Cummings - literally a few houses away. His offense is LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL).

Now this guy: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045. He really scares me. The thing about him, though, is he is supervised: Serving a court-ordered term of community monitoring under the authority of the Department of Corrections and/or the Florida Parole Commission. His permanent address is 1/2 mile from the Cummings. A 7 minute walk.

He also has a notation (Predator) next to his name. (Gives me the chills!)

His offense: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL). I can't even begin to tell you how utterly horrified I am by the description of this.

Isn't it strange that we can find no info on #1?
To me they are both scary scary dudes and I hope LE has checked them out already and searched their homes inside and out. I would hope that they would have run those bloodhounds through their houses. Why wouldn't they have already done that? I would think since LE obviously knows about these guys that that would have been their first order of business.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:14 PM
The mom said it had been two weeks since she had seen Haliegh. Did anyone hear if she had talked on the phone with her since then?

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Then, there's this guy. Looks cleancut... sexual battery and lewd assault in children under 16.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=24528

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:15 PM
The guy that lives 500 feet from the home interests me....I could see a bored 17 year old getting mixed up with him and not knowing what she got herself into. Since dad picked daughter up...sounds like maybe they only have 1 car? And I bet SO would be offering to help kwim? And if she was mixed up with him in someway....that would make access eaiser.

You gotta look at the guy's photo. I can't imagine anyone going near him.

tfrohning
02-11-2009, 11:16 PM
You aren't irritating! I have found 8 sex offenders who live in Glen St. Mary where her mother lives.

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32040.html

In other words, maybe he knew her from her mom and abducted her from her fathers.

if this case and he that close. LE needs to be tearing that house apart. I don't care what it take. they need to find that little girl.

tehcloser
02-11-2009, 11:16 PM
Stupid question maybe but maybe not. Could the reason we cannot find any info oh him be that le has pulled it ....I mean maybe they are taking a hard look at him and Dad did threaten to kill whoever has his daughter.......

tehcloser
02-11-2009, 11:17 PM
You gotta look at the guy's photo. I can't imagine anyone going near him.

Yeah, he gave me the creeps...but I am not a bored 17 year old....lol

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:18 PM
The mom said it had been two weeks since she had seen Haliegh. Did anyone hear if she had talked on the phone with her since then?

Good question!

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Isn't it strange that we can find no info on #1?
To me they are both scary scary dudes and I hope LE has checked them out already and searched their homes inside and out. I would hope that they would have run those bloodhounds through their houses. Why wouldn't they have already done that? I would think since LE obviously knows about these guys that that would have been their first order of business.

Yes, very weird that we can't find info about him. Not even an arrest record or a court docket. And he wasn't a minor himself when he committed his offense.

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:20 PM
if this case and he that close. LE needs to be tearing that house apart. I don't care what it take. they need to find that little girl.

Oh, I totally agree...... I'm trying to look outside the box that others are looking into in case that doesn't pan out.

tfrohning
02-11-2009, 11:21 PM
I am going to go visit Caylee threads. and than to bed. I hope in morning this little girl has been found safe.
I do worry what dad is going to do if he find out who did this and took his little girl.
I wonder if the cops took his guns!!!

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:21 PM
The mom said it had been two weeks since she had seen Haliegh. Did anyone hear if she had talked on the phone with her since then?

I saw an interview with Crystal's mother who said that Crystal was not allowed to talk to the kids on the phone when they stayed with the father. She then said hesitantly that the parents did not have a very good relationship.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:22 PM
Isn't it strange that we can find no info on #1?
To me they are both scary scary dudes and I hope LE has checked them out already and searched their homes inside and out. I would hope that they would have run those bloodhounds through their houses. Why wouldn't they have already done that? I would think since LE obviously knows about these guys that that would have been their first order of business.
After Couey, I'll bet they are searching every nook and cranny.

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 11:23 PM
We also cannot forget the absconders. There are so many of those unaccounted for that could be in the area.

sunflowerchick
02-11-2009, 11:23 PM
I pray to god this child is okay. I am almost afraid to sleep tonight thinking about where she could be at..
I am sickened that there is a SO living 500 ft away! I will get even more sicker if someone knew it and didn't share it with the people who live nearby..
I swear, our laws should make it to where a SO should have to place a sign on there lawn saying they are a registered offender..
And for those who shouldn't be registered, they should just be required to register, because I do feel that some don't deserve the status.. (such as my parents neighbor, whom was 18 dating a 15 year old, whose parents allowed it for 10 months)

(Bold by me)... While I agree that the SO in the area may be something to look at, I also fear for the "witch hunt" mentality that so may people seem to take. Many of these SO may not be predators at all, and some may be completely innocent! I have seen the justice system fail too many times with regard to these types of crimes. I know I will get myself into trouble for saying this, but I needed to say something.

Leila
02-11-2009, 11:23 PM
I watched the interview with both parents on Greta tonight. Greta asked Ronald Cummings about Haleigh's mother and he paused for a moment and then said that custody was given to the better parent and the parent that could provide for the two children.

In an article on CNN's website, it was stated that the parents were divorced.

momtective
02-11-2009, 11:24 PM
The guy that lives 500 feet from the home interests me....I could see a bored 17 year old getting mixed up with him and not knowing what she got herself into. Since dad picked daughter up...sounds like maybe they only have 1 car? And I bet SO would be offering to help kwim? And if she was mixed up with him in someway....that would make access eaiser.

I was thinking the same thing..close neighbor, sees Dad leave for work everyday, maybe walks down say's Hey, you know strikes up conversation. Hangs out, watches kids play in yard and keeps gf company on occasion. Maybe has a drink or two, offers to help out anytime etc. etc.
Surly, surly she would have said something about her friend if this is indeed the case. Surly LE is all over this guy.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:24 PM
I saw an interview with Crystal's mother who said that Crystal was not allowed to talk to the kids on the phone when they stayed with the father. She then said hesitantly that the parents did not have a very good relationship.

Thank you, ElizaAvalon,
Not allowed to talk on the phone??? I am not very knowledgeable on custody dictums. How does this work? She had visitation two weeks prior, but no phone conversation? Anyone have any insight for me on this?

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:25 PM
I saw an interview with Crystal's mother who said that Crystal was not allowed to talk to the kids on the phone when they stayed with the father. She then said hesitantly that the parents did not have a very good relationship.

Well, something significant must have happened in order for the father to get custody of the children over the mother. Where I grew up in Iowa, it's damn hard to pull that custody away from the mother. In WA, hard but possible. I dunno about Florida, but there's a reason why the father got custody over mother...

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:26 PM
We also cannot forget the absconders. There are so many of those unaccounted for that could be in the area.

I said the very thing a couple threads ago. There are soooo many "unregistered" and unknown, unreported, that we just don't know.

fabvab
02-11-2009, 11:26 PM
I have been reading this thread all day and just wanted to post my thoughts.

#1 17 yo with a 24 year old is really not as bad as some think. It depends on how mature she is and what has happened to her in her life. I really don't frown upon this.

#2 Not waking up when the girl was taken. Maybe she was woken up when the girl was taken, she probably doesn't realize it.

#3 I think the dad is being truthful. He knows nothing

#4 I need to hear more about the girlfriend. At this point we know nothing. We don't know how mature she is etc. To accuse her of leaving the kids, or having a friend or lover over is unfair. I agree parts of her story sound odd but until we get some background on her it's not fair.

#5 A SO? Very possible. One of these could have been watching her and their habits. I get a bad vibe from the 1st picture of the SO nearby. He was just released so I think he would be the one to really check on.

Just my thoughts. I pray that they find her alive. May God be with her!:(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Florida
In reference to #1: According to Florida's "age of consent law" the dad was committing a crime for living with the 17 yr. old.
794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:26 PM
Has the father's alibi been verified?

momtective
02-11-2009, 11:26 PM
Stupid question maybe but maybe not. Could the reason we cannot find any info oh him be that le has pulled it ....I mean maybe they are taking a hard look at him and Dad did threaten to kill whoever has his daughter.......

Could be I guess. But wouldn't we have heard something by now as to a POI?

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 11:27 PM
I watched the interview with both parents on Greta tonight. Greta asked Ronald Cummings about Haleigh's mother and he paused for a moment and then said that custody was given to the better parent and the parent that could provide for the two children.

In an article on CNN's website, it was stated that the parents were divorced.I must say I was impressed with the way he handled that question.

tehcloser
02-11-2009, 11:28 PM
Could be I guess. But wouldn't we have heard something by now as to a POI?

IDK...probably. That's why I said it might be stupid....lol

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:28 PM
I must say I was impressed with the way he handled that question.

I was, too. He showed an amazing amount of restraint.

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:31 PM
Thank you, ElizaAvalon,
Not allowed to talk on the phone??? I am not very knowledgeable on custody dictums. How does this work? She had visitation two weeks prior, but no phone conversation? Anyone have any insight for me on this?

I don't remember the exact wording, but I believe it was more like Ron wouldn't LET Crystal talk on the phone with the kids.

Let me see if I can get the video somewhere.

momtective
02-11-2009, 11:32 PM
(Bold by me)... While I agree that the SO in the area may be something to look at, I also fear for the "witch hunt" mentality that so may people seem to take. Many of these SO may not be predators at all, and some may be completely innocent! I have seen the justice system fail too many times with regard to these types of crimes. I know I will get myself into trouble for saying this, but I needed to say something.

Sorry sunflowerchick, I don't mean to be conducting a "witch hunt" but were talking about a 5 year old little girl here and he lives 500 feet from her door steps. Remember John Couey? He had Jessica in his home and she was still alive when LE first went there. Where there is a child missing I say leave no stone unturned.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:33 PM
I don't remember the exact wording, but I believe it was more like Ron wouldn't LET Crystal talk on the phone with the kids.

Let me see if I can get the video somewhere.

Dang???

ElementaryDearWatson
02-11-2009, 11:35 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

This guy - I can't find any arrest record for him. He's the one who lives closest to the Cummings - literally a few houses away. His offense is LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL).

Now this guy: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045. He really scares me. The thing about him, though, is he is supervised: Serving a court-ordered term of community monitoring under the authority of the Department of Corrections and/or the Florida Parole Commission. His permanent address is 1/2 mile from the Cummings. A 7 minute walk.

He also has a notation (Predator) next to his name. (Gives me the chills!)

His offense: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL). I can't even begin to tell you how utterly horrified I am by the description of this.

I too am very concerned about the "preditor" status. I realize that he is under supervision but is it 24 hour? Does he wear an ankle monitor device? I sure hope so.

kiki the parrot
02-11-2009, 11:39 PM
FWIW, I do see a distinction between a 24 year-old involved w a 17 year-old, and a child predator or child molestor. However this 17 year-old does need to be in school, not shacking w this adult male IMO. I don't think predators from as far away as bio mom's (an hour and 45 mins. away) are likely to be involved. I've posted myself that an intruder may have gained access via front door if kids were left alone for a period during which Haleigh awoke, opened--but failed to relock--front door, and intruder exited by rear door. And if an intruder broke into his house and kidnapped one child I sure as h#ll hope LE wouldn't confiscate dad's Beretta (if it's legal I mean). JMO
:parrot:

mydailyopinions
02-11-2009, 11:40 PM
Sorry sunflowerchick, I don't mean to be conducting a "witch hunt" but were talking about a 5 year old little girl here and he lives 500 feet from her door steps. Remember John Couey? He had Jessica in his home and she was still alive when LE first went there. Where there is a child missing I say leave no stone unturned.

I don't mean for it to be a witch hunt either, however, I would rather a few sex offenders who must register for a reason feel as if they are being hunted, and for us to be wrong, than them not getting a second look and us be right..
Sorry, I don't have sympathy for them not whatsoever. :snooty:

kellync
02-11-2009, 11:40 PM
The father probably wouldnt let Haleigh talk on the phone b/c it upset her. What little girl wouldn't want her Mommy after talking to her on the phone?

mydailyopinions
02-11-2009, 11:42 PM
I too am very concerned about the "preditor" status. I realize that he is under supervision but is it 24 hour? Does he wear an ankle monitor device? I sure hope so.

Unless someone was sleeping in his home with their eye on this man 24 hours a day (someone with LE), I wouldn't trust any kind of supervision..

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:43 PM
My ex-brother-in-law raped a 10-year-old girl who lived 2 hours away. He saw her on the weekends, in spare time, when she was around her stepdad visiting. He groomed from there. What I am saying is that no stone, not one, should be unturned in all of this. It is plausible that a man who sees a 5-year-old girl every weekend, every other weekend, can delve into her life enough to drive 2 hours to abduct her. It's happened, it happened to my family.

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 11:44 PM
Sorry sunflowerchick, I don't mean to be conducting a "witch hunt" but were talking about a 5 year old little girl here and he lives 500 feet from her door steps. Remember John Couey? He had Jessica in his home and she was still alive when LE first went there. Where there is a child missing I say leave no stone unturned.I have to agree. These men have already been convicted of the crime and released or they would not be registered SOs. Their 12 peers put them in that position when they convicted them...not us.

I AM hunting witches or SOBs, if you will!!! There is an innocent 5 year old girl missing and any one could be responsible at this point.

sunflowerchick
02-11-2009, 11:45 PM
Sorry sunflowerchick, I don't mean to be conducting a "witch hunt" but were talking about a 5 year old little girl here and he lives 500 feet from her door steps. Remember John Couey? He had Jessica in his home and she was still alive when LE first went there. Where there is a child missing I say leave no stone unturned.

I agree with you, and I certainly didn't mean to come across sounding like I disagree with any of the conversations here. I think the discussion is helpful. I also think that these are the first people that LE will check out, (if they haven't already), and like others on the thread, I would also be worried about the SO who haven't been discovered yet. I sincerely hope she is found, and I do think they should search the homes in the area before they rule anyone out.

ElementaryDearWatson
02-11-2009, 11:45 PM
FWIW, I do see a distinction between a 24 year-old involved w a 17 year-old, and a child predator or child molestor. However this 17 year-old does need to be in school, not shacking w this adult male IMO. I don't think predators from as far away as bio mom's (an hour and 45 mins. away) are likely to be involved. I've posted myself that an intruder may have gained access via front door if kids were left alone for a period during which Haleigh awoke, opened--but failed to relock--front door, and intruder exited by rear door. And if an intruder broke into his house and kidnapped one child I sure as h#ll hope LE wouldn't confiscate dad's Beretta (if it's legal I mean). JMO
:parrot:

I agree. In the majority of stranger abductions, the victim lives within 3 miles of the perp. The perp usually has legitimate reason to be in the area. I sure hope they checked these guys out in the very early hours of the investigation.

fabvab
02-11-2009, 11:48 PM
FWIW, I do see a distinction between a 24 year-old involved w a 17 year-old, and a child predator or child molestor. However this 17 year-old does need to be in school, not shacking w this adult male IMO. I don't think predators from as far away as bio mom's (an hour and 45 mins. away) are likely to be involved. I've posted myself that an intruder may have gained access via front door if kids were left alone for a period during which Haleigh awoke, opened--but failed to relock--front door, and intruder exited by rear door. And if an intruder broke into his house and kidnapped one child I sure as h#ll hope LE wouldn't confiscate dad's Beretta (if it's legal I mean). JMO
:parrot:
I see where you are coming from. But...this Dad could easily be on the Sex Offender Registry for his involvement with the 17 yr. old because it is against the law in his state.

beckaroozie
02-11-2009, 11:48 PM
Here's yet another take on the story!!

Fox News supposedly has the police report, and this is a snip from and link to their story:

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.

The back door was open, but investigators didn't find any sign of forced entry.

Cummings said his daughter is afraid of the dark and wouldn't wander away by herself.

Link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html


Do you think maybe the perp was already inside the house and had just been waiting for the opportunity to snatch Haleigh?

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:49 PM
Okay, here's the video, at around 1:58 is when the grandmother tells the reporter than they don't get to talk to the kids much when they are with the father:
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18691388/index.html

cajun
02-11-2009, 11:49 PM
I am going to go visit Caylee threads. and than to bed. I hope in morning this little girl has been found safe.
I do worry what dad is going to do if he find out who did this and took his little girl.
I wonder if the cops took his guns!!!

I hope not. If they were legal no reason to take them.

CentralFLMama
02-11-2009, 11:49 PM
What's going on down in FLA......??

It seems like another Baby disappears every week down there


Don't be fooled by the palm trees and amusement parks. This place is horrible.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:51 PM
I have to agree. These men have already been convicted of the crime and released or they would not be registered SOs. Their 12 peers put them in that position when they convicted them...not us.

I AM hunting witches or SOBs, if you will!!! There is an innocent 5 year old girl missing and any one could be responsible at this point.

I just love you.

sunflowerchick
02-11-2009, 11:52 PM
I have to agree. These men have already been convicted of the crime and released or they would not be registered SOs. Their 12 peers put them in that position when they convicted them...not us.

I AM hunting witches or SOBs, if you will!!! There is an innocent 5 year old girl missing and any one could be responsible at this point.

But according to the laws in FL, from what I understand, if the father were brought to trial and convicted of living with the 17 yr old G/f, he also would be required to register as a sex offender. Doesn't seem fair to me.

gogrannypop
02-11-2009, 11:52 PM
Unfortunately it happens.

02/04/2009

MAMAKATING, NY (WABC) -- A toddler has been found dead in the snow off an upstate New York road after she wandered from her home with outside temperatures in single digits.

I hope all will go well for this family. they are in my thoughts.

LancelotLink
02-11-2009, 11:52 PM
Okay, here's the video, at around 1:58 is when the grandmother tells the reporter than they don't get to talk to the kids much when they are with the father:
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18691388/index.html
Thank you!!

gibby207
02-11-2009, 11:54 PM
Okay, here's the video, at around 1:58 is when the grandmother tells the reporter than they don't get to talk to the kids much when they are with the father:
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18691388/index.html

Thank you for that... I think I saw her Myspace page but it's at private... not sure... don't quote me... but maybe

cajun
02-11-2009, 11:54 PM
Has the father's alibi been verified?

I am sure that is one of the first things they did. The father also said he took a polygraph and passed with flying colors. I thought I also heard him say so did the GF but Nancy cut him off as usual

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 11:55 PM
OMG! I just had a wicked thought. The name is similar to Caylee's. The timing. The area within a 100 mile radius.

What if during the search for an "Alive Caylee" someone ran across this little girl and began to watch her? They hear someone calling her Hayleigh Ann-Marie. They think she shows a resemblance. They see a 17yo "mother".

When Caylee ends up deceased...maybe they decided to take her for whatever reason. There are some crazies out there.

momtective
02-11-2009, 11:56 PM
I agree with you, and I certainly didn't mean to come across sounding like I disagree with any of the conversations here. I think the discussion is helpful. I also think that these are the first people that LE will check out, (if they haven't already), and like others on the thread, I would also be worried about the SO who haven't been discovered yet. I sincerely hope she is found, and I do think they should search the homes in the area before they rule anyone out.

I completely understand where you were coming from. I was hesitant about putting the pictures up for that very reason, I didn't want it to look like I was on a witch hunt and the last thing we ever want to do is involve innocent people in our investigations. But these guys information is already made public knowledge by the state that convicted them of a crime and while I do agree there are innocent people falsely convicted for crimes they did not commit. I still believe that (2) convicted SO's living within walking distance of this child home must be given the up most attention.
You didn't come across as sounding like you disagreed...you were just making a point, one that I think most of us on here agree with. :wink:

CharlestonGal
02-11-2009, 11:58 PM
I don't mean for it to be a witch hunt either, however, I would rather a few sex offenders who must register for a reason feel as if they are being hunted, and for us to be wrong, than them not getting a second look and us be right..
Sorry, I don't have sympathy for them not whatsoever. :snooty:

True.

Technically speaking, the father in this case is a felon (not yet convicted, of course) and a sex offender who would have to register as well. LE should be looking at him just as hard as they look at any of the other registered offenders in the area. Why should he get a pass?

ElizaAvalon
02-11-2009, 11:58 PM
Thank you for that... I think I saw her Myspace page but it's at private... not sure... don't quote me... but maybe

Crystal's? Not private right now: http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

tehcloser
02-11-2009, 11:58 PM
OMG! I just had a wicked thought. The name is similar to Caylee's. The timing. The area within a 100 mile radius.

What if during the search for an "Alive Caylee" someone ran across this little girl and began to watch her? They hear someone calling her Hayleigh Ann-Marie. They think she shows a resemblance. They see a 17yo "mother".

When Caylee ends up deceased...maybe they decided to take her for whatever reason. There are some crazies out there.

Thanks...it was weird enough with their names and the fact that it happened on memorial day....now you make me think of this. I don't really think so, but like you said....the crazies are out there.

supergirl
02-11-2009, 11:59 PM
hey all. this is just so upsetting in so many ways. everyone here has such kind, good and caring hearts or they woulld not be here showing luv and support to this baby right now. until we find out for sure what happened, i like seeing so many work so hard to help in the only way they can....sluething for possibilities. Just remember, please, emotions run high as always when a child is at risk. Getting off track in a debate over other issues, even when lead to by this issue of a missing child, is counterproductive. Just a reminder. You are all correct, you are all wonderful. Peace.

SeriouslySearching
02-11-2009, 11:59 PM
Okay, here's the video, at around 1:58 is when the grandmother tells the reporter than they don't get to talk to the kids much when they are with the father:
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18691388/index.htmlSounds like bitterness to me. The father decidedly took the high road tonite on Greta when it came to Hayleigh's mother. They need to do the same. It is not a time to get into a public slam fest because of the custody battle she lost.

Perhaps the mother and grandmother pump the girl constantly on the phone for information and he prefers to be home when she talks to them to protect her. There could be many reasons why they are limited on conversations. He didn't win custody via a Judge for no reason here. It speaks to his credibility in this case, imo.

tehcloser
02-11-2009, 11:59 PM
True.

Technically speaking, the father in this case is a felon (not yet convicted, of course) and a sex offender who would have to register as well. LE should be looking at him just as hard as they look at any of the other registered offenders in the area. Why should he get a pass?

He did not get a pass.

LCoastMom
02-12-2009, 12:00 AM
My hinky meter is off the charts, sorry I wish I could put it better than that

on NG tonite dad passed polygraph

44 registered sex offenders in their area

GF doing as well as she can under the circumstances? This makes sense if she's a typical 17 yo...was she a live in gf, was she just a babysitter or was she mommy to Haleigh since her own mommy isn't available?

Is dad being medicated? he is not all with it tonite...pretty much the way I would expect me to be. dad's in my experience are usually more stoic. Crying but no tears

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:00 AM
I am sure that is one of the first things they did. The father also said he took a polygraph and passed with flying colors. I thought I also heard him say so did the GF but Nancy cut him off as usual
Yes. HE said. I was wondering if that had been verified by LE.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:01 AM
My hinky meter is off the charts, sorry I wish I could put it better than that

on NG tonite dad passed polygraph

44 registered sex offenders in their area

GF doing as well as she can under the circumstances? This makes sense if she's a typical 17 yo...was she a live in gf, was she just a babysitter or was she mommy to Haleigh since her own mommy isn't available?

Is dad being medicated? he is not all with it tonite...pretty much the way I would expect me to be. dad's in my experience are usually more stoic. Crying but no tears

My hinky meter went off when I saw the first interview with the dad.

momtective
02-12-2009, 12:01 AM
hey all. this is just so upsetting in so many ways. everyone here has such kind, good and caring hearts or they woulld not be here showing luv and support to this baby right now. until we find out for sure what happened, i like seeing so many work so hard to help in the only way they can....sluething for possibilities. Just remember, please, emotions run high as always when a child is at risk. Getting off track in a debate over other issues, even when lead to by this issue of a missing child, is counterproductive. Just a reminder. You are all correct, you are all wonderful. Peace.

Yes Ma'am! Thank you.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Thanks...it was weird enough with their names and the fact that it happened on memorial day....now you make me think of this. I don't really think so, but like you said....the crazies are out there.Just thinking outside the box again....

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Just thinking outside the box again....

I know...and that's a good thing.

momtective
02-12-2009, 12:03 AM
I wish some of our "wonderful astros" could check these two out. Anybody?

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:04 AM
Yes Ma'am! Thank you.

LOL! And my nose is quite brown.:innocent:

CharlestonGal
02-12-2009, 12:05 AM
He did not get a pass.

Sure, he did. No one is arresting him for his sex offense, trying him for it, and making him register for it. Of course, it would be in really bad taste to charge him at this point (for the felony with the 17 y/o) as the focus absolutely should be on the recovery of his daughter right now.

But yeah, he's getting a pass on his own SO while we're picking apart the SOs of his neighbors.

cajun
02-12-2009, 12:05 AM
Here's yet another take on the story!!

Fox News supposedly has the police report, and this is a snip from and link to their story:

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.

The back door was open, but investigators didn't find any sign of forced entry.

Cummings said his daughter is afraid of the dark and wouldn't wander away by herself.

Link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html


Do you think maybe the perp was already inside the house and had just been waiting for the opportunity to snatch Haleigh?

Tonight on Nancy, Ronald said the kids were in bed by 8 like they were every night. Who lets a 5 YO stay up till 10 on a school night?

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:06 AM
Just thinking outside the box again....

and you better keep doing it!

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:07 AM
But according to the laws in FL, from what I understand, if the father were brought to trial and convicted of living with the 17 yr old G/f, he also would be required to register as a sex offender. Doesn't seem fair to me.

That is a chance he is willing to take. And with taking that chance knowing the laws, then he himself is opening him up to being hunted.
He is old enough to know better.

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 12:08 AM
Sure, he did. No one is arresting him for his sex offense, trying him for it, and making him register for it. Of course, it would be in really bad taste to charge him at this point (for the felony with the 17 y/o) as the focus absolutely should be on the recovery of his daughter right now.

But yeah, he's getting a pass on his own SO while we're picking apart the SOs of his neighbors.

Picking apart? Registered sex ofenders? And the Dad should be arrested? I don't know what to say.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:08 AM
Thanks...it was weird enough with their names and the fact that it happened on memorial day....now you make me think of this. I don't really think so, but like you said....the crazies are out there.

You, as you often do, spoke my thoughts so well. Nightmares tonight.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:08 AM
I know...and that's a good thing.I wonder if LE thought to check into any "tips" on Caylee that came into their office in that area? Maybe they should check with OCSO to be certain no one called them, too.

jnTexas
02-12-2009, 12:09 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18695730/detail.html

Haleigh's grandmother, Marie Griffiths, told Channel 4 the little girl would never willing go with a stranger, but she still has hope the 5-year-old is alive.

"Haleigh is living and breathing. I don't feel that there's anything that has happened to her bad," Griffiths said.

Investigators have ruled out the possibility the girl may have wandered off in the middle of the night because she's afraid of the dark. However, Haleigh's mother confirmed there was in an incident a few years ago in which the child wandered to a canal near their back yard and was found floating face down.

Sheffield and investigators insist that incident has nothing to do with the current situation.

"Just bring my baby home," Sheffield said on Wednesday.

"She's a baby. She needs her mother, and she needs her family. She donít need to be out there with strangers if that's where she's at. We want her home. Y'all bring her to her mother if you donít want to take her anywhere else," Griffiths said.

So is the mother stating she has wondered off before and fell in a canal? Betting this why Dad has custody.

cajun
02-12-2009, 12:10 AM
True.

Technically speaking, the father in this case is a felon (not yet convicted, of course) and a sex offender who would have to register as well. LE should be looking at him just as hard as they look at any of the other registered offenders in the area. Why should he get a pass?

I must have missed something, I haven't read all through the last thread by why is the father a felon?

passionflower
02-12-2009, 12:10 AM
On NG, father passed polygraf and he was at work........12 hour shift 3pm til 3 am.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Originally Posted by sunflowerchick
But according to the laws in FL, from what I understand, if the father were brought to trial and convicted of living with the 17 yr old G/f, he also would be required to register as a sex offender. Doesn't seem fair to me.Can you prove he is sleeping with her? All we know is that she was sleeping with his kids while he was working.

The OTHER men we are discussing here molested and sexually assaulted children. HUGE difference between them and a 17 year old dating a man that is 24 years old!! She is old enough to date him, imo. I think the law should be changed. (Her parents must believe it is OK or they would not allow it.)

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Crystal's? Not private right now: http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Ah... now I remember... my computer hates loading her page, freezes up.

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:11 AM
Tonight on Nancy, Ronald said the kids were in bed by 8 like they were every night. Who lets a 5 YO stay up till 10 on a school night?

I don't know if the bedtime has been confirmed. I've seen a few media sources report that she was put into bed at 8, but that the girlfriend went to bed at 10. But, I've also heard everyone went to bed at 10. With all the inconsistencies in the news reporting of this case it's so hard to tell what time she actually went to bed.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:12 AM
Tonight on Nancy, Ronald said the kids were in bed by 8 like they were every night. Who lets a 5 YO stay up till 10 on a school night?
Here we go again. Either I have totally misunderstood the previous stories, or something is way off.
I heard it as- the G/F tucked in kids at 8. She went to bed at 10. G/F went to the bathroom at 3:30, came back and discovered Haliegh missing.

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 12:13 AM
SS I have often worried that because the Caylee case got soooo big, that some nut case somewhere would commit another crime because of it. If that makes sense. LE is probably on top of it...I would think.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:14 AM
Ah... now I remember... my computer hates loading her page, freezes up.
Playlist-
Go Rest High Up On That Mountain? Ehm, Vince Gill, right?

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:15 AM
SS I have often worried that because the Caylee case got soooo big, that some nut case somewhere would commit another crime because of it. If that makes sense. LE is probably on top of it...I would think.
I'll bet they are very on top of things...

fabvab
02-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Picking apart? Registered sex ofenders? And the Dad should be arrested? I don't know what to say.
No one said Dad should be arrested right now. Facts were just stated that Dad commtted a felony by chosing to live with a 17 yr. old. I am hoping that all those sex offenders living in that area were also young adult men who slept with 17 yr. olds. But I guess that is wishful thinking.
Me still thinks that when "all the pieces of the puzzle don't fit together" when the gf and dad start telling what happened then something is wrong. I think others say it better on here..."my hinky meter is going off".

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:16 AM
On NG, father passed polygraf and he was at work........12 hour shift 3pm til 3 am.

Did LE confirm this?

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:17 AM
I thought that the gf found the child missing, in this report it says...
Fox News supposedly has the police report, and this is a snip from and link to their story:

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.

So what is the real story here?
Too, has anyone been able to confirm that the child was actually put to sleep in that house? Was there dishes from dinner that supported more than one child? What about the clothes she wore to school that day? Could she have wondered off during the daylight?

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:19 AM
Playlist-
Go Rest High Up On That Mountain? Ehm, Vince Gill, right?

Is that why it's freezing? Am I the Anti-Christ? Am I not pure enough for Vince Gill?

By the way...luuuuuuuv that song... but it makes me bawl.

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Here we go again. Either I have totally misunderstood the previous stories, or something is way off.
I heard it as- the G/F tucked in kids at 8. She went to bed at 10. G/F went to the bathroom at 3:30, came back and discovered Haliegh missing.

I think this is where the problem is, maybe we need to hear the exact timing of events from LE or get a police report ourselves..Another news report says that "they" found she was missing after he returned home from work.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Playlist-
Go Rest High Up On That Mountain? Ehm, Vince Gill, right?When and where were you the last time you heard that song?

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:20 AM
I thought that the gf found the child missing, in this report it says...
Fox News supposedly has the police report, and this is a snip from and link to their story:

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.

So what is the real story here?
Too, has anyone been able to confirm that the child was actually put to sleep in that house? Was there dishes from dinner that supported more than one child? What about the clothes she wore to school that day? Could she have wondered off during the daylight?

Oh, you are good!!!

cajun
02-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Here we go again. Either I have totally misunderstood the previous stories, or something is way off.
I heard it as- the G/F tucked in kids at 8. She went to bed at 10. G/F went to the bathroom at 3:30, came back and discovered Haliegh missing.

Doesn't make much sense, does it?

cajun
02-12-2009, 12:21 AM
When and where were you the last time you heard that song?

At a funeral I went to in May. That song tears me up.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:21 AM
I don't know if the bedtime has been confirmed. I've seen a few media sources report that she was put into bed at 8, but that the girlfriend went to bed at 10. But, I've also heard everyone went to bed at 10. With all the inconsistencies in the news reporting of this case it's so hard to tell what time she actually went to bed.Tonight on NG, the father said she went to be around 10:30 pm or 11:00 pm. If he was at work, he isn't going to know for certain so he has to rely on what she is telling him she did at home.

sunflowerchick
02-12-2009, 12:22 AM
Can you prove he is sleeping with her? All we know is that she was sleeping with his kids while he was working.

The OTHER men we are discussing here molested and sexually assaulted children. HUGE difference between them and a 17 year old dating a man that is 24 years old!! She is old enough to date him, imo. I think the law should be changed.

I agree, the law should be changed. I also think that some of the 44 SO in the area may be on that list for nothing more than just what the father is doing. They may not ALL be predators. Just sayin... It would be helpful to have more details regarding the actual cases and convictions so that those who are harmful could be checked out first.

In the meantime, is there anyway LE can search the homes in the area to find this poor girl?

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:23 AM
At a funeral I went to in May. That song tears me up.Which is my point exactly. I find it a very strange song to have listed on her myspace with her daughter missing.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:23 AM
Did LE confirm this?

Very inappropriate maybe, but I am cracking up! I had to catch up by reading a 3 threads this evening, and have seen you ask this about 10 times with no answer. Persistant lil bugger aren't you. LOL FWIW ( which isn't much, trust me) I hav not seen it confirmed by LE yet.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:24 AM
When and where were you the last time you heard that song?

For me, it was PBS... I'm a PBS junkie and was listening to bluegrass, and a bluegrass junkie, so appreciated it. It's been a while, though. Not something I wanna shake my booty to.

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 12:24 AM
Which is my point exactly. I find it a very strange song to have listed on her myspace with her daughter missing.

Wonder when she put it on there.

impatientredhead
02-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Sure, he did. No one is arresting him for his sex offense, trying him for it, and making him register for it. Of course, it would be in really bad taste to charge him at this point (for the felony with the 17 y/o) as the focus absolutely should be on the recovery of his daughter right now.

But yeah, he's getting a pass on his own SO while we're picking apart the SOs of his neighbors.

17 and 24 is legal in the state of florida
and then she is an adult
he has not committed a felony

momtective
02-12-2009, 12:25 AM
I thought that the gf found the child missing, in this report it says...
Fox News supposedly has the police report, and this is a snip from and link to their story:

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's mobile home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

About the same time, Cummings arrived home from work. When they went into the bedroom, he and Croslin say they discovered that Haleigh had vanished.

So what is the real story here?
Too, has anyone been able to confirm that the child was actually put to sleep in that house? Was there dishes from dinner that supported more than one child? What about the clothes she wore to school that day? Could she have wondered off during the daylight?

Here is yet another version of events http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she had not returned, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:25 AM
I agree, the law should be changed. I also think that some of the 44 SO in the area may be on that list for nothing more than just what the father is doing. They may not ALL be predators. Just sayin... It would be helpful to have more details regarding the actual cases and convictions so that those who are harmful could be checked out first.

In the meantime, is there anyway LE can search the homes in the area to find this poor girl?Well, we aren't here to debate SOs. We are here to find this little girl. Yes. The law SAYS they are ALL SOs and the LE will be all over them for this. As well they SHOULD be!

According to one neighbor who gave an interview, they asked and did search her home. She gladly let them.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Not even with a coconut rum drink...

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Which is my point exactly. I find it a very strange song to have listed on her myspace with her daughter missing.

I wouldn't read into that much really. I have weird songs on my myspace playlist all the time, but that doesn't mean I'm a Goldigger, I Shot the Sheriff, My Milkshake Brings All the Boys to the Yard, etc.

cajun
02-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Which is my point exactly. I find it a very strange song to have listed on her myspace with her daughter missing.

I too found it really strange. I was wondering if there is a way to tell when that song was added to the list.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:28 AM
I wouldn't read into that much really. I have weird songs on my myspace playlist all the time, but that doesn't mean I'm a Goldigger, I Shot the Sheriff, My Milkshake Brings All the Boys to the Yard, etc.Hahahahahaha~ Good point. (Cracking up at My Milkshake)

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Did LE confirm this?

Not yet!

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Here is yet another version of events http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she had not returned, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.

Ok. If she was scared of the dark, would they not have to sleep with the lights on? My hinky meter has pinged so much I fear it may blow a fuse!

momtective
02-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Snipped "My Milkshake Brings All the Boys to the Yard"

:floorlaugh:

Dr. Know?
02-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Crystal's? Not private right now: http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Hi, I just checked the site and saw Chad left a post & picture, for Crystal on the 10th. He bought her (some contest?). How do these sites work? Chad actually "bought" her and left a message about he had just bought her as his pet. The comment before and after are in regards to her little girl missing? I don't do myspace or facebook myself so have no idea the order the posts are recorded. Just wondering if he was communicating with her on the 10th when the child was missing? So confused. TIA

WillenFan21
02-12-2009, 12:30 AM
I'm glad that I found this thread! I saw this story on Nancy Grace and like Caylee's story I am following this one now. I hope they find this little girl.

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Here is yet another version of events http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she had not returned, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.

On Nancy Grace tonight, the father told NG that the gf was calling him while he was pulling in the driveway from work, and he didn't answer the call. He then said when he approached the house, she was standing on the front porch, and he knew something was wrong. Then, they called 911.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Hahahahahaha~ Good point. (Cracking up at My Milkshake)

Yeah... no boys comin' to my yard...

But, she's from Georgia... I bet she just likes bluegrass. I do, not from Georgia, but that's a beautiful song in it's own right.

For what it's worth, I hadn't heard any of the Caylee memorial songs for that evening, with the exception of Michael (hee hee...OOO!)

Leila
02-12-2009, 12:32 AM
I decided to do a little sleuthing. In Baker County, Florida court records there's one record pertaining to parents in this case.

Dated 03-23-2006 Case #02-2006-DR-115
Crystal D. Sheffied, Petitioner and Ronald L. Cummings, Respondant
Order of Dismissal of Temporary Injunction for Protection - domestic violence. Case dismissed due to insufficient evidence.

According to Crystal's mother, the parents were divorced, but I haven't found a divorce record yet.

Shutterfly
02-12-2009, 12:32 AM
:laugh:I wouldn't read into that much really. I have weird songs on my myspace playlist all the time, but that doesn't mean I'm a Goldigger, I Shot the Sheriff, My Milkshake Brings All the Boys to the Yard, etc.:floorlaugh:

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:33 AM
Hi, I just checked the site and saw Chad left a post & picture, for Crystal on the 10th. He bought her (some contest?). How do these sites work? Chad actually "bought" her and left a message about he had just bought her as his pet. The comment before and after are in regards to her little girl missing? I don't do myspace or facebook myself so have no idea the order the posts are recorded. Just wondering if he was communicating with her on the 10th when the child was missing? So confused. TIA

I can't get on her myspace... my puter don't like her page so I rely on yawl. Thanks for this info...

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:33 AM
:laugh:I wouldn't read into that much really. I have weird songs on my myspace playlist all the time, but that doesn't mean I'm a Goldigger, I Shot the Sheriff, My Milkshake Brings All the Boys to the Yard, etc.
I needed that laugh..thanks a ton!

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Hi, I just checked the site and saw Chad left a post & picture, for Crystal on the 10th. He bought her (some contest?). How do these sites work? Chad actually "bought" her and left a message about he had just bought her as his pet. The comment before and after are in regards to her little girl missing? I don't do myspace or facebook myself so have no idea the order the posts are recorded. Just wondering if he was communicating with her on the 10th when the child was missing? So confused. TIA

No, what it is is an application (or an "app") on Myspace. An "app" is basically something that you can attach on your Myspace page (they have weather "apps" that check the weather for you that day, they have entertainment "apps" you can add that give you the top stories, and then they also have game "apps" such as this one..). This particular "app" is a pet type thing. How it works is someone puts the "app" on their page (so, in this Case both Crystal and Chad did) and then they can purchase each others pets (it's a game) from that app. It does so automatically, or with a click of the button on the app that says "buy me". It doesn't mean he had any sort of communication with her on that day, other then pressing the buy me button. If that makes any sense..

LaLaw2000
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Which is my point exactly. I find it a very strange song to have listed on her myspace with her daughter missing.

It has become a funeral song. It is very strange that her mother would have that sort of thing up on her MySpace already.

I hope that someone in LE checks the computer at the Dad's home to see what sort of activity the GF may have been engaging in on it.

Going to bed and hope their is great news in the morning. Going to say a prayer for Haleigh.

MomofBoys
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
So is the mother stating she has wondered off before and fell in a canal? Betting this why Dad has custody.


I don't know. If they took away all the children who were the victims of near-drownings in this state, DCF would be more overloaded than they are now. It can happen SO fast, and there is water everywhere. It's why we'll keep child locks on the doors until they leave for college.

I can't really see the parallel between a 24 year old dating a 17 year old, although I do question the judgement, and actual, malicious sex offenders.

And far be it from me to defend SOs, but while there might be 45 in that area, you really have to prioritize. Many of those SOs are going to be there because they were in the same situation as this father and his GF. A lot of them won't have even looked at a little girl the wrong way. The predator whose link was posted--I think child pornography is despicable, horrible, grotesque, whathaveyou, but he gets the same predator label whether he filmed the child porn or if he forwarded an email with an image. I don't envy LE when you have that many to filter through. You could have a "predator" that once forwarded a video clip to a friend, and an "offender" who molested his 16 year old niece and is looking to escalate.

Like I said, not defending, but it's not cut and dry in terms of labels.

I live in a small, charming, idyllic town in west central Florida, and there are 25 SOs in the two mile radius of my home. It's a pleasant middle-class neighborhood on the Gulf and we average .5 homicides a year. Usually we just get a bunch of gas drive-offs. Yet we have 25 registered in just a tiny segment of a small city. It's so disconcerting. Yet, in some way, I don't worry as much about them as much as I worry about those who aren't registered.

Still, it teaches me to always lock both sets of doors and to keep the sensor monitor on in the boys' nursery.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
I decided to do a little sleuthing. In Baker County, Florida court records there's one record pertaining to parents in this case.

Dated 03-23-2006 Case #02-2006-DR-115
Crystal D. Sheffied, Petitioner and Ronald L. Cummings, Respondant
Order of Dismissal of Temporary Injunction for Protection - domestic violence. Case dismissed due to insufficient evidence.

According to Crystal's mother, the parents were divorced, but I haven't found a divorce record yet.

I did notice in a video interview that she had a ring on her left ring finger.

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Ok. If she was scared of the dark, would they not have to sleep with the lights on? My hinky meter has pinged so much I fear it may blow a fuse!Could be they left the bathroom light on and when gf went in there...she closed the door. Did someone say there was no light in the bedroom as a nightlight or something? I guess I missed it.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:35 AM
:laugh:
I needed that laugh..thanks a ton!

Luv ya MDA!

SeriouslySearching
02-12-2009, 12:36 AM
I did notice in a video interview that she had a ring on her left ring finger.She has another baby with another man.

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:36 AM
Tonight on NG, the father said she went to be around 10:30 pm or 11:00 pm. If he was at work, he isn't going to know for certain so he has to rely on what she is telling him she did at home.

This further tells me something was wrong INSIDE that house. Some of the easiest details are getting twisted by either the media or the GF!

cheko1
02-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Good question!

Trying to catch up here...so not sure if this was answered or not. The Grandma stated they had not talked to kids since there visit. The Dad wouldn't let them call on phones.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:38 AM
She has another baby with another man.

Hmmmmmmm....who is this other man?

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:38 AM
I did notice in a video interview that she had a ring on her left ring finger.

Also, if you look at her Myspace, it looks like she's dating someone else and has a baby girl with that person. Her status is set to "in a relationship" and she has lots of pictures with another man. It looks to me like she's moved on.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Trying to catch up here...so not sure if this was answered or not. The Grandma stated they had not talked to kids since there visit. The Dad wouldn't let them call on phones.

That is what was stated on a video I just watched, yes.

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:40 AM
Hmmmmmmm....who is this other man?

It looks like his name is Chad. He's the first person on her top friends list.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:40 AM
Also, if you look at her Myspace, it looks like she's dating someone else and has a baby girl with that person. Her status is set to "in a relationship" and she has lots of pictures with another man. It looks to me like she's moved on.

I wish I can, but my puter freezes when I pull up her page. It HATES her page...

Is there a name listed for this person?

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:42 AM
Are we sure Mom n Dad we ever actually married? Just wondering, since no divorce record. Marriage record?

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:42 AM
It has become a funeral song. It is very strange that her mother would have that sort of thing up on her MySpace already.

I hope that someone in LE checks the computer at the Dad's home to see what sort of activity the GF may have been engaging in on it.

Going to bed and hope their is great news in the morning. Going to say a prayer for Haleigh.

That's what I thought as soon as I saw it listed on top. Very sad.
Nite!

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:44 AM
I wish I can, but my puter freezes when I pull up her page. It HATES her page...

Is there a name listed for this person?

Yeah, his name is Chad it looks like. His page is http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418138401.
Maybe your computer will let you look at his page.

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:44 AM
It looks like his name is Chad. He's the first person on her top friends list.

Are you able to go to his page? Is it private? And try for a last name?

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:45 AM
:doh::doh:
1. I want to know the timeline in that home from the time dad dropped off the child, until the time she was reported missing. I think there are way to many stories floating around about how and when she was discovered missing.
2. I would like to know if they have solid proof that this child was in this home before dark. They must have the clothes she wore to school on Monday, or the dishes she ate out of, maybe signs of her homework being done, if her bookbag is where it would be normally...
My fear is that something happened before the gf is saying. Is it possible she wasn't watching her at all, and the child was taken, or wondered off, before sundown, and the girlfriend didn't know what to do until her man got home?
Something isn't right...

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:46 AM
When and where were you the last time you heard that song?
On her page.
J/K

This is a funeral song.

marla
02-12-2009, 12:46 AM
Picking apart? Registered sex ofenders? And the Dad should be arrested? I don't know what to say.

Don't bother saying anything ..

It's not worth it .. :blowkiss:

gibby207
02-12-2009, 12:46 AM
Yeah, his name is Chad it looks like. His page is http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418138401.
Maybe your computer will let you look at his page.

First of all...nice... LOL

Yeah, I can go there. THANK YOU KAYLYNN! (By the way, my best friend's daughter's name is Kaelyn..)

I'm gonna sleuth....

momtective
02-12-2009, 12:48 AM
Story & Video showing home, pier, mom and neighbors. http://www.wcjb.com/index.php?cat_id=4006&url_news4006=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wcjb.com%2Fmodules%2 FNews%2FdisplayNews.php%3Fid%3D3660&formFocus=news4006

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 12:49 AM
Yeah, his name is Chad it looks like. His page is http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418138401.
Maybe your computer will let you look at his page.
are you sure? I have in my notes that dad's mom is named M. G. We need more sleuthing.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 12:49 AM
:doh::doh:
1. I want to know the timeline in that home from the time dad dropped off the child, until the time she was reported missing. I think there are way to many stories floating around about how and when she was discovered missing.
2. I would like to know if they have solid proof that this child was in this home before dark. They must have the clothes she wore to school on Monday, or the dishes she ate out of, maybe signs of her homework being done, if her bookbag is where it would be normally...
My fear is that something happened before the gf is saying. Is it possible she wasn't watching her at all, and the child was taken, or wondered off, before sundown, and the girlfriend didn't know what to do until her man got home?
Something isn't right...
I'm with you! I want to know where the bus dropped her off, how far from the house, was it necessary for him to go and pick her up. Mark Fuhrman 101.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:49 AM
:doh::doh:
1. I want to know the timeline in that home from the time dad dropped off the child, until the time she was reported missing. I think there are way to many stories floating around about how and when she was discovered missing.
2. I would like to know if they have solid proof that this child was in this home before dark. They must have the clothes she wore to school on Monday, or the dishes she ate out of, maybe signs of her homework being done, if her bookbag is where it would be normally...
My fear is that something happened before the gf is saying. Is it possible she wasn't watching her at all, and the child was taken, or wondered off, before sundown, and the girlfriend didn't know what to do until her man got home?
Something isn't right...

ITA. Very frustrating to have all the confusion. I just keep telling myself have faith in LE, hope they got it all straight.

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 12:50 AM
Don't bother saying anything ..

It's not worth it .. :blowkiss:


:blowkiss:

sunflowerchick
02-12-2009, 12:51 AM
It might be important to look into whether or not the parents really were married. If they weren't then there may also have not been an actual custody agreement filed with the courts. I know in my state, if there was never a marriage, both parents have equal rights to the child. Also the document posted looked like a dismissal of a protective order... Maybe that was a bargaining chip for custody.

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 12:51 AM
are you sure? I have in my notes that dad's mom is named M. We need more sleuthing.

That's what it says on his Myspace. On Myspace profiles now, underneath your username it has your "real name" typed that you use when you register. It's a little hard to see on his profile because of his background, but if you look you should be able to see it. It clearly says "Chad" as his real name. You could try viewing it with a "basic page style" (without the background and everything) if you're using FireFox and you should be able to see it.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:51 AM
are you sure? I have in my notes that dad's mom is named M. Griffis. We need more sleuthing.

IDK about last name, but the myspace is def his. Same pics as guy on Moms and says Chad is his name.

SuziQ
02-12-2009, 12:54 AM
Story & Video showing home, pier, mom and neighbors. http://www.wcjb.com/index.php?cat_id=4006&url_news4006=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wcjb.com%2Fmodules%2 FNews%2FdisplayNews.php%3Fid%3D3660&formFocus=news4006

Thanks!

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 12:55 AM
Story & Video showing home, pier, mom and neighbors. http://www.wcjb.com/index.php?cat_id=4006&url_news4006=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wcjb.com%2Fmodules%2 FNews%2FdisplayNews.php%3Fid%3D3660&formFocus=news4006

Thank you momtective!
What bothers me about the dogs tracking the scent to the docks. At least one of those children had to be there in order for the scent to be tracked. Has the father taken his children to those docks in the last week?
I pray Tim puts his side sonar in that river.
I have a terrible feeling about all of this.

momtective
02-12-2009, 12:56 AM
are you sure? I have in my notes that dad's mom is named M. Griffis. We need more sleuthing.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=131067&provider=rss
The grandparents of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings are pleading for her safe return. Marie Griffis and her husband spoke to the media Wednesday morning, just outside the crime scene tape that has sealed off the neighborhood where Haleigh disappeared.

ROBLYN
02-12-2009, 12:58 AM
No, what it is is an application (or an "app") on Myspace. An "app" is basically something that you can attach on your Myspace page (they have weather "apps" that check the weather for you that day, they have entertainment "apps" you can add that give you the top stories, and then they also have game "apps" such as this one..). This particular "app" is a pet type thing. How it works is someone puts the "app" on their page (so, in this Case both Crystal and Chad did) and then they can purchase each others pets (it's a game) from that app. It does so automatically, or with a click of the button on the app that says "buy me". It doesn't mean he had any sort of communication with her on that day, other then pressing the buy me button. If that makes any sense..

Hi KaylynnCouture,

Thanks for the lesson, appreciate it...boy, i have alot to learn about this Myspace/Facesbook stuff...:blowkiss:

supergirl
02-12-2009, 12:58 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=131067&provider=rss
The grandparents of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings are pleading for her safe return. Marie Griffis and her husband spoke to the media Wednesday morning, just outside the crime scene tape that has sealed off the neighborhood where Haleigh disappeared.

Could it be Chad's parents and consider themselves GP's if he is her stepdad?

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 01:01 AM
Hi KaylynnCouture,

Thanks for the lesson, appreciate it...boy, i have alot to learn about this Myspace/Facesbook stuff...:blowkiss:

You're welcome. It's ok, it took me awhile to figure it out too. Especially because Myspace/Facebook is constantly changing and updating things. :)

Leila
02-12-2009, 01:01 AM
Are we sure Mom n Dad we ever actually married? Just wondering, since no divorce record. Marriage record?

I checked for a marriage record too, and found nothing. Does anyone know where is Georgia the mother, Crystal, is from.........maybe there's something there.

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:01 AM
Could it be Chad's parents and consider themselves GP's if he is her stepdad?

Probably...but do we know Mom's maiden name? Haven't looked at the myspace pages but could Chad be Mom's brother? Or are they like together, together in pics? Going to look now.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:03 AM
Could it be Chad's parents and consider themselves GP's if he is her stepdad?
wait hold up - I have to write this out to figure it out

M. Griffis = bio-dad's mother

C. Griffis = bio-mom's "new" b/f

So, Chad could be bio-dad's bro? or half-bro? or step-bro?

Bio-dad had his sister sitting with him tonite - I can't recall what name they gave when they intro'd her.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:04 AM
I checked for a marriage record too, and found nothing. Does anyone know where is Georgia the mother, Crystal, is from.........maybe there's something there.
Check Putnam county records. I saw two different filings for them this afternoon. I thought they might ahve been family court docs - one was dated 10/11/05 and the other was 11/20/07

cali_mommy
02-12-2009, 01:07 AM
Just hearing about this case!! Can someone please give me a run down. Thank you so much.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:07 AM
wait hold up - I have to write this out to figure it out

M. Griffis = bio-dad's mother

C. Griffis = bio-mom's "new" b/f

So, Chad could be bio-dad's bro? or half-bro? or step-bro?

Bio-dad had his sister sitting with him tonite - I can't recall what name they gave when they intro'd her.

too confusing. let's call in Maury! off to bed. hopefully little one is home safe by the am. Nite

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 01:07 AM
wait hold up - I have to write this out to figure it out

M. Griffis = bio-dad's mother

C. Griffis = bio-mom's "new" b/f

So, Chad could be bio-dad's bro? or half-bro? or step-bro?

Bio-dad had his sister sitting with him tonite - I can't recall what name they gave when they intro'd her.

I was thinking Bro or half Bro...and boy does that open up possibilities.

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:09 AM
Here's the link to Chad's pics on myspace http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=418138401&albumId=98637
Baby girl Chloe, Chad & Sara at the club, His woman who he loves...Sara

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 01:10 AM
Here's the link to Chad's pics on myspace http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=418138401&albumId=98637
Baby girl Chloe, Chad & Sara at the club, His woman who he loves...Sara

But on Crystals myspace she says Chad is her fiance. And Sara is her sister...And the womans pic is Crystal not Sara.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:11 AM
ok, Greta is on rerun, and Marie is the lady on with bio-mom. didn't catch last name, just hearing Greta calling her Marie

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 01:12 AM
I checked for a marriage record too, and found nothing. Does anyone know where is Georgia the mother, Crystal, is from.........maybe there's something there.

I checked Georgia marriage records, and found nothing. I also used https://www.myfloridacounty.com/ and searched Ronald Cummings and found 2 probate documents in his name, and then 2 court papers in both Ronald and Crystals names.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:13 AM
But on Crystals myspace she says Chad is her fiance. And Sara is her sister...And the womans pic is Crystal not Sara.

yeppers. that's what i saw too.

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 01:15 AM
ok, Greta is on rerun, and Marie is the lady on with bio-mom. didn't catch last name, just hearing Greta calling her Marie

Maries last name is Griffis. But, if you look at Chads myspace, underneath his name (where it says Chad) it also says Chad Griffis (which is his real name, as he listed).

This is getting really confusing.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:15 AM
ok, Greta is on rerun, and Marie is the lady on with bio-mom. didn't catch last name, just hearing Greta calling her Marie
I thought the bio-mom's parents were "sheffield"? There was a johnny sheffield talking about how Haleigh is his grandchild.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:16 AM
:doh:now greta has ronald cummings, and his sister crystal(sp) cummings on, yep apparently another crystal:doh:

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 01:16 AM
Maries last name is Griffis. But, if you look at Chads myspace, underneath his name (where it says Chad) it also says Chad Griffis (which is his real name, as he listed).

This is getting really confusing.

:doh::doh:
Gee...it sure is!

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:16 AM
watching Greta again - didn't catch bio-dad's sister's last name but first is Crystal.

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:17 AM
But on Crystals myspace she says Chad is her fiance. And Sara is her sister...And the womans pic is Crystal not Sara.

Oh okay, sorry 'bout that. Dang they look alike.

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 01:17 AM
:doh:now greta has ronald cummings, and his sister crystal(sp) cummings on, yep apparently another crystal:doh:

Oh no...not again

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:18 AM
:doh:now greta has ronald cummings, and his sister crystal(sp) cummings on, yep apparently another crystal:doh:

:doh::doh::doh::doh:

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 01:18 AM
Could this all be a hoax?

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:19 AM
ah - just showed names on banner - Crystal Cummings

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 01:19 AM
Could this all be a hoax?

IDK....:doh:

LCoastMom
02-12-2009, 01:21 AM
Here we go again. Either I have totally misunderstood the previous stories, or something is way off.
I heard it as- the G/F tucked in kids at 8. She went to bed at 10. G/F went to the bathroom at 3:30, came back and discovered Haliegh missing.

This was the first story I heard...


Then according to Fox:

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

WillenFan21
02-12-2009, 01:22 AM
I just do not understand how the GF could not have heard someone come in her room. On Greta the father was talking about how he has a dead bolt on the door and that he has it a certain way that the little girl wouldn't be able to open that door and that she wouldn't open the door to strangers.

I really think that whoever took that little girl that it was somoene she knew. IDK I just think its odd. I mean the GF didn't even call 911 until the father got there.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 01:22 AM
IDK....:doh:

None of the stories are matching up. They keep changing their stories. I am now thinking hoax.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:22 AM
IIRC Greta has the bio-mom and her mom on next - I'll listen closely for names


Oops - nope guess they were first. Did anyone catch their names?

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 01:22 AM
watching Greta again - didn't catch bio-dad's sister's last name but first is Crystal.

It's Crystal Cummings (his sister).

Basically how I have it is:

Ronald Cummings- Father
Crystal Sheffield- Mother
Marie Griffis- Grandmother (maternal side)
Chad Griffis- Mothers fiancee or boyfriend (not sure why the grandmother and him have the same last name)
Misty Croswell (I could be wrong on the spelling)- Fathers girlfriend
Crystal Cummings- Aunt (fathers sister)
Johnny Sheffield- Grandfather (maternal side)
Sarah ?- Aunt (mothers sister)

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:22 AM
Could this all be a hoax?

how sick would that be!

mommya
02-12-2009, 01:22 AM
Just listening to the replay of Nancy Grace - hearing the Dad talk about not knowing where the cinder block came from - that he didn't go out in the back too often - he rents and does not know what the previous tennants had around...

Prevoius tennants???? Sounds like someone who'd be way comfortable in the place at night - no? A good place to look sleuthers?

WillenFan21
02-12-2009, 01:23 AM
And also he said that whoever took her broke the lock with something. How could the GF not be woke by the pounding noise?

scandi
02-12-2009, 01:24 AM
Hi,

When little Jessica Lundsford went missing I was so sure her father was the culprit. He didn't come off at first very well when speaking to the media. He looked funny to me, like he was from the backwoods. And that hair, his appearance, it was almost sleazy lookin' to me, comparing him with the average American father.

I have never been more wrong in my life, and if I could, I would tell him that to his face today, and thank Mark for being such a wonderful father to his precious little girl.


In this case I do not like the immediate responses I have heard from this father. Like they are thought out to be strong, to portend he cares so much for his Haleigh. I so hope I am wrong about him too. I know the police have been involved in some way with Haleigh, the GF and the father.


When I think about it, so many of the murdering fathers we have seen here look like Ivy Leaguers.or macho men. Neil Entwhistle for instance, just one example.

God Bless her tonight wherever she is. And may the wrath of God help expose the perp who has so disrupted Haleigh's life. I hope she is found soon so she can go back home and grow up like every little Princess should.


XOX

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 01:25 AM
This was the first story I heard...


Then according to Fox:

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb ***** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

Ain't love grand?

shadow of my mind
02-12-2009, 01:26 AM
Could this all be a hoax?

I sure hope not but the though did cross my mind. With all of the 'fame' of the Caylee case and donations that were made I am hoping that someone didn't get the idea to fake a kidnapping thinking that they could cash in on it.

With all of the media interviews with them it just makes me fearful that some dumb a$$ will think it's great and figure they will be the next star.

cajun
02-12-2009, 01:26 AM
It might be important to look into whether or not the parents really were married. If they weren't then there may also have not been an actual custody agreement filed with the courts. I know in my state, if there was never a marriage, both parents have equal rights to the child. Also the document posted looked like a dismissal of a protective order... Maybe that was a bargaining chip for custody.

I believe he said he was given custody of the children because he was the better parent.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 01:27 AM
how sick would that be!

Considering all the attention and money and what not that can be made in a missing child case these days? And KFN has been seen circling. Yeah, sick fits!!

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 01:28 AM
I sure hope not but the though did cross my mind. With all of the 'fame' of the Caylee case and donations that were made I am hoping that someone didn't get the idea to fake a kidnapping thinking that theyt could cash in on it.

With all of the media interviews with them it just makes me fearful that some dumb a$$ will think it's great and and figure they will be the next star.

I understand. But it is the only scenario that fits for me. Everything else seems to come to a dead end.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:29 AM
Hi,

When little Jessica Lundsford went missing I was so sure her father was the culprit. He didn't come off at first very well when speaking to the media. He looked funny to me, like he was from the backwoods. And that hair, his appearance, it was almost sleazy lookin' to me, comparing him with the average American father.

I have never been more wrong in my life, and if I could, I would tell him that to his face today, and thank Mark for being such a wonderful father to his precious little girl.


In this case I do not like the immediate responses I have heard from this father. Like they are thought out to be strong, to portend he cares so much for his Haleigh. I so hope I am wrong about him too. I know the police have been involved in some way with Haleigh, the GF and the father.


When I think about it, so many of the murdering fathers we have seen here look like Ivy Leaguers.or macho men. Neil Entwhistle for instance, just one example.

God Bless her tonight wherever she is. And may the wrath of God help expose the perp who has so disrupted Haleigh's life. I hope she is found soon so she can go back home and grow up like every little Princess should.


XOX

Huh? Police have been involved in some way with Haliegh, the GF and the father? Think I missed that. Please, tell tell.

LCoastMom
02-12-2009, 01:29 AM
Chrystal has 185 pictures on MySpace most of them are pictures of herself. or a new baby named Chloe.

About 1 page is her car that was trashed in an accident and the bruises she received.

There were about 6 pictures of Haleigh...

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
And also he said that whoever took her broke the lock with something. How could the GF not be woke by the pounding noise?

maybe he meant the lock on the outer door. We call em' screen doors around here but since they live in a manufactured home I'm guessing it was an aluminum and glass outer door. Not too hard to break into if it's like a mobile home door. But if the inner door had a deadbolt and it was indeed locked, I can't figure out how that could ave been broken into and not been heard.

cajun
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
It's Crystal Cummings (his sister).

Basically how I have it is:

Ronald Cummings- Father
Crystal Sheffield- Mother
Marie Griffis- Grandmother (maternal side)
Chad Griffis- Mothers fiancee or boyfriend (not sure why the grandmother and him have the same last name)
Misty Croswell (I could be wrong on the spelling)- Fathers girlfriend
Crystal Cummings- Aunt (fathers sister)
Johnny Sheffield- Grandfather (maternal side)
Sarah ?- Aunt (mothers sister)

I wonder why the maternal gma has the same last name as the boyfriend?

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
I sure hope not but the though did cross my mind. With all of the 'fame' of the Caylee case and donations that were made I am hoping that someone didn't get the idea to fake a kidnapping thinking that theyt could cash in on it.

With all of the media interviews with them it just makes me fearful that some dumb a$$ will think it's great and and figure they will be the next star.


Speaking of next star....look at this "friend" on Crystals myspace.... he blogs about Darlie R. and the like.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=46233621

Amster
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
The police chief on Greta said the little boy wasn't sleeping in the same room with the gf and Haleigh. The media stories are all over the place.....

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
Chrystal has 185 pictures on MySpace most of them are pictures of herself. or a new baby named Chloe.

About 1 page is her car that was trashed in an accident and the bruises she received.

There were about 6 pictures of Haleigh...

yep. noted that too.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
It's Crystal Cummings (his sister).

Basically how I have it is:

Ronald Cummings- Father
DianneCrystal Sheffield- Mother
Marie Griffis- Grandmother (maternal side) paternal gm?
Chad Griffis- Mothers fiancee or boyfriend (not sure why the grandmother and him have the same last name)
Misty Croslin (I could be wrong on the spelling)- Fathers girlfriend
Crystal Cummings- Aunt (fathers sister)
Johnny Sheffield- Grandfather (maternal side)
Sarah ?- Aunt (mothers sister)

I have maternal grandmother as Lisa Sheffield and paternal grandmother as Marie Griffis

Shutterfly
02-12-2009, 01:31 AM
Could this all be a hoax?

I'm not sure yet Lancelot, I was just sitting here tossing that idea around myself.

On another note, did the bio-mom add an additional bunch of pics to her myspace after we started digging in it or did I SOMEHOW manage to miss the fifty pics of that car accident??? I would swear all those pics were not there earlier this afternoon. Why on earth would she do that.....NOW?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 01:32 AM
No doubt something is fishy in Florida that is spreading county to county.
Whoever put that block there to open the door obviously knew that the door was a pain in the rear, they had to have opened it from the inside (which is what I think given the father said he locked it before he went to work)
Someone help me to understand why the 17 year old isn't with the boyfriend tonight? That part also sends up red flags. If this is a caring 17 year old, she would be by his side, or at least be there to help with the other child. I don't understand why she would be with her family now, unless the FBI had to release her to her parents since she is a minor..
I sure hope something comes up during the night and this little girl is found..I'm so sick of people harming children..

Leila
02-12-2009, 01:33 AM
That's what it says on his Myspace. On Myspace profiles now, underneath your username it has your "real name" typed that you use when you register. It's a little hard to see on his profile because of his background, but if you look you should be able to see it. It clearly says "Chad Griffis" as his real name. You could try viewing it with a "basic page style" (without the background and everything) if you're using FireFox and you should be able to see it.

I just checked out Chad's MySpace page and it's a mess! Very difficult to read, but at the top of the page, where it says "Chad", if you click on that you get a list of options.......one is "blog", and if you click on that it goes to his profile and it says, Chad Griffis.

I've seen Haleigh's maternal grandmother listed as Marie Griffis and Marie Griffith.

supergirl
02-12-2009, 01:33 AM
Speaking of next star....look at this "friend" on Crystals myspace.... he blogs about Darlie R. and the like.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=46233621

that's it. I can't take anymore without some z's. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:
nite for real this time.

LCoastMom
02-12-2009, 01:33 AM
Could this all be a hoax?

Well let's see a hoax, then where's the punch line?

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 01:34 AM
None of the stories are matching up. They keep changing their stories. I am now thinking hoax.

I have that gut feeling (no pun intended :doh:) that this is far worse than a hoax.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:34 AM
No doubt something is fishy in Florida that is spreading county to county.
Whoever put that block there to open the door obviously knew that the door was a pain in the rear, they had to have opened it from the inside (which is what I think given the father said he locked it before he went to work)
Someone help me to understand why the 17 year old isn't with the boyfriend tonight? That part also sends up red flags. If this is a caring 17 year old, she would be by his side, or at least be there to help with the other child. I don't understand why she would be with her family now, unless the FBI had to release her to her parents since she is a minor..
I sure hope something comes up during the night and this little girl is found..I'm so sick of people harming children..
One of the grandmom's (don't know which) said that gf was "not supposed to be around the family"!!!

Don't know what that actually means - but I thought it was strange too - we have seen or heard NOTHING in way of this gf.

LancelotLink
02-12-2009, 01:34 AM
I'm not sure yet Lancelot, I was just sitting here tossing that idea around myself.

On another note, did the bio-mom add an additional bunch of pics to her myspace after we started digging in it or did I SOMEHOW manage to miss the fifty pics of that car accident??? I would swear all those pics were not there earlier this afternoon. Why on earth would she do that.....NOW?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

Yeah. Why take all that time to add pics to your myspce page when a child is missing? Hoax...nite all!

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 01:35 AM
I'm not sure yet Lancelot, I was just sitting here tossing that idea around myself.

On another note, did the bio-mom add an additional bunch of pics to her myspace after we started digging in it or did I SOMEHOW manage to miss the fifty pics of that car accident??? I would swear all those pics were not there earlier this afternoon. Why on earth would she do that.....NOW?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

I don't remember seeing them earlier either, but, if you look at the first photo it has a comment on it that was posted on October 24th, 2008. So, the photos were obviously put up before that date.

shadow of my mind
02-12-2009, 01:36 AM
Just listening to the replay of Nancy Grace - hearing the Dad talk about not knowing where the cinder block came from - that he didn't go out in the back too often - he rents and does not know what the previous tennants had around...

Prevoius tennants???? Sounds like someone who'd be way comfortable in the place at night - no? A good place to look sleuthers?

That is what I said. Happened to me years ago. Guy was drunk and let himself into the apartment we had only been in for a few days. Of course it was an honest if drunken mistake and he darn near made a mess in his pants when he looked up to see a double barrel shotgun pointed eye level. Had I not been up from a 2:00AM feeding I might not have heard the lock turn in the door. Apartment complex never changed the locks or collected keys. Other than furniture maybe not being in the same place it would be rather easy for someone to let themselves in and move around in the dark.

How do we find out about renters? Owner of the lot would be in the property tax record but I don't know how we could find out about tenants.

amysmom
02-12-2009, 01:36 AM
I can't wrap my mind around that. Wait outside in hopes the G/F would go to the bathroom? And I just read that the Mom's GM said the bathroom was in the bedroom? Aye aye aye!

She had to mean an ajoining bathroom (?) but from what I've seen of the house that just doesn't fit..Ya know?

KaylynnCouture
02-12-2009, 01:37 AM
I just checked out Chad's MySpace page and it's a mess! Very difficult to read, but at the top of the page, where it says "Chad", if you click on that you get a list of options.......one is "blog", and if you click on that it goes to his profile and it says, Chad Griffis.

I've seen Haleigh's maternal grandmother listed as Marie Griffis and Marie Griffith.

No, her name is Marie Griffis (and so is Chad's last name, apparently). If you search myspace and put in Marie Griffis, the grandmothers profile is the only one that comes up. Therefore, the last name Marie used when she registered her Myspace was Griffis.

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 01:38 AM
I'm not sure yet Lancelot, I was just sitting here tossing that idea around myself.

On another note, did the bio-mom add an additional bunch of pics to her myspace after we started digging in it or did I SOMEHOW manage to miss the fifty pics of that car accident??? I would swear all those pics were not there earlier this afternoon. Why on earth would she do that.....NOW?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639
YES! I was wondering if it was just me! When I first looked today, there were only 3 categories of pics..now there is what 6?

scandi
02-12-2009, 01:38 AM
Huh? Police have been involved in some way with Haliegh, the GF and the father? Think I missed that. Please, tell tell.


Hi Supergirl,

I always watch FOX when I get ready for work. This morning they were talking about Haleigh, and they were talking by phone with the Sheriff, or someone from LE involved in the case.

The hostess for FOX {?} tried to pin the LE guy down as to whether they had ever had a call to this residence or been called to a family dispute or problem with these people.

The officer at first said no. And then after another question like 'did the police ever have dealings with this father the GF and Haleigh", he answered Yes.

It made me think there had either been a complaint or a court action which had brought the police to the forefront in dealing with them in some way. The officer said no more, and actually I was surprised he said what he did!

Whatever it was about will undoubtedly come out. xxoxx

ROBLYN
02-12-2009, 01:38 AM
Wish i had something to add that would help...You guys are wonderful as usual.

A few observations from following Hayleigh's case today:

After watching the interview with her father(three times). This man had a complete emotional breakdown on tv while trying to discuss his missing daughter, he was/is broken. I do believe that he was understandably medicated tonight during the NG and Greta interviews.He stated that he has raised her since she was three years old, by himself.I also think he handled the custody questions with dignity during the worst time in his life. That says alot about his character imho

GF not sure about, as far as neglecting children. But, "my gut" (i know-i know) is telling me that she is not involved. Mom was saying kids loved GF.GM was being upfront with GR in regards to the children saying they have been "hit" in the past- Couldn't that mean spanked? My brother and i grew up in the same home and have children the same age, my son has had one 'spanking' in his 12years( it was out of fear-after he throw himself in the middle of the mall parking lot with on coming traffic) Now, my brother did use corpril punishment with his two daughters on occassion when they were younger (12/10 now) they are all great sweet kids....sorry, so wordy my convoluted point was that the GM and Mom both said nice things about the gf. Yes, she is young but we do not know all of her life experience....

Some SOB walked into that home and STOLE that little girl. I pray to God that Tim Miller, LE, Marc Klass, Mark Lunsford or Someone/Anyone of those wonderful volunteers finds her in time... If it's one of these Scum Bags they have already served time, so they will know the drill. It makes my stomach sick, but i hope he is taking care of her, I'm sure he's watching the news!!

I just Can Not believe that this keeps happening!

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:40 AM
Marie, Crystal's mom's myspace
http://www.myspace.com/luckylady1207

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:43 AM
I was wrong - Lisa is the first name of the mother of the gf.

Amster
02-12-2009, 01:44 AM
I think the bio mom and or grandma filed a complaint against the dad and got CPS involved. Said they saw bruises on Haleigh and her hair smelled like pot. Maybe that's what the LE meant about visits to the home....

tehcloser
02-12-2009, 01:44 AM
on Maries myspace Sara left her a comment saying "You are my sunshine"...

LCoastMom
02-12-2009, 01:46 AM
Thank you, ElizaAvalon,
Not allowed to talk on the phone??? I am not very knowledgeable on custody dictums. How does this work? She had visitation two weeks prior, but no phone conversation? Anyone have any insight for me on this?

That would be a "house rule" not something set up through the courts. The courts encourage co-parenting as much as possible regardless of who has physical custody. Assuming there is no abuse on either side.

mydailyopinions
02-12-2009, 01:47 AM
I think the bio mom and or grandma filed a complaint against the dad and got CPS involved. Said they saw bruises on Haleigh and her hair smelled like pot. Maybe that's what the LE meant about visits to the home....

I seen that and kinda got tickled because in bio mom's photos, there is a huge picture on the wall of the marijuana leaf, including the nice black light under it..

cajun
02-12-2009, 01:47 AM
No, her name is Marie Griffis (and so is Chad's last name, apparently). If you search myspace and put in Marie Griffis, the grandmothers profile is the only one that comes up. Therefore, the last name Marie used when she registered her Myspace was Griffis.

So are they step siblings maybe? Could Crystal's mother be married to Chad's dad?

cheko1
02-12-2009, 01:47 AM
Yeah. Why take all that time to add pics to your myspce page when a child is missing? Hoax...nite all!

I seen the pictures on her myspace page this morning / went again this afternoon to see if I had missed anything & they were there then also.

Wise Old Owl
02-12-2009, 01:48 AM
on maries myspace sara left her a comment saying "you are my sunshine"...


**thud**

momtective
02-12-2009, 01:48 AM
Okay, I know this is nothing but it's kinda creepy!
Comment left on Marie's myspace by Sarah:
Jan 19 2009 6:49 PM
I LOVEEE U!!! YOU ARE MY SUNSHiNE!!

scandi
02-12-2009, 01:48 AM
Remember Sleuthers, this is the time to make note of little comments you read in links, or even hear on talk shows. Example, the grandmother saying the GF was not suppose to be around either Haleigh or children. {From Swag's post above: One of the grandmom's (don't know which) said that gf was "not supposed to be around the family"!!!}

That is noteworthy!

These little gold nuggets get lost, are deleted, and you will know you read it, but where? You will go crazy looking for that one comment.


I hope little Haleigh is found safe and sound so we don't have to worry about having a documented case for Sleuthing. It is purely secondary to the task at hand.

XOX