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02-15-2009, 10:27 AM
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cheko1
02-15-2009, 10:41 AM
Thank you for the new thread.....

obguthr
02-15-2009, 10:41 AM
Obguthr, the part that was changed? A quote?? No SS was telling me what was, and wasn't, relevant re MY theories because these issues are not germaine to his own. I'm confused... is this relevant? Can we move on now? JMO

ITA. Let's move on.

obguthr
02-15-2009, 10:46 AM
This Sapp fellow, I hadn't heard about him until now..

Mimi
02-15-2009, 10:48 AM
This gives me a horrible pit in my stomach!


http://www.ocala.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902141003/0/sports04


Also, in light of the search in Putnam County for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, Maj. Chris Blair said the Marion County Sheriff's Office has contacted the Putnam Sheriff's Office about the missing sexual predator.
According to the Florida Department of Corrections Web site, Reynolds was sentenced in Putnam County to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The offense date was Sept. 3, 2002.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:48 AM
Good morning, could hardly sleep last night, I hoped something would break today, nothing new I take it...
anyone hear a weather report for Satsuma? I am grasping here.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 10:48 AM
A new thread has been started so we are closing this thread.
FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #18
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79723

Ima

hehehe I did just get my post into the last thread before it was closed. Thank you for the warnings. May there be a quick resolve soon concerning Haleigh, for everyones sake.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 10:48 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 10:50 AM
From the last thread:

Originally Posted by momtective View Post
Misty has 2 brothers Timothy & Tommy. Tommy is married to Lindsy and they live behind the Cummings home. I think Guy Sapp is Lindsy's father. Guy Sapp is a property owner in Satsuma and according to Lindsy's myspace http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin he is very successful and makes alot of money...plus he is a very nice guy!!!
Donald Sapp could be Lindsy's brother, cousin or Uncle.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:51 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

Removing the blanket form the window would make it eaiser to pass something in and out of it....IDK. Just thinking out loud.

love.child
02-15-2009, 10:51 AM
What if back door got left cracked open and a wandering pitbull dragged her off. Too far fetched to say an alligator. But it is possible. I saw a pitbull kill a dog this summer. Fresh in my mind.

I just think that the average SO in that area is not smart enough to elude investigators this long.

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 10:52 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

IIRC, Misty had said in that interview Haleigh had wet the blanket that night or was it from the night before? :confused:

obguthr
02-15-2009, 10:52 AM
Originally Posted by yosande
Need to find out if he is related to G. Sapp who is co-owner with Misty's mom who lives a walk through the woods away. Should also sleuth G. Sapp, no?

found an article on this guy. He prefers post pubescent girls.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-onlin.../LawDisor.html

I show G. Sapp being an elderly lady. Perhaps she is his grandmother?

octobermoon
02-15-2009, 10:52 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

to balance the load in the washer???:confused:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:52 AM
It's like we get TMI on the blanket thing and the back door thing...and nothing about other things.. I can't get past the hink.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 10:54 AM
IIRC, Misty had said in that interview Haleigh had wet the blanket that night or was it from the night before? :confused:

She did, but not the blanket on the window..There had to be a reason to take that one down.
Seems like she inserted that part in to cover for a missing blanket on the window.

djk
02-15-2009, 10:55 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?
O/T I know, forgive me.
when I wash blankets I take them to a coin laundry with a BIG machine. how does one wash a blanket at home? in the bathtub? they would overload a regular machine.

MissOtk
02-15-2009, 10:55 AM
What if back door got left cracked open and a wandering pitbull dragged her off. Too far fetched to say an alligator. But it is possible. I saw a pitbull kill a dog this summer. Fresh in my mind.

I just think that the average SO in that area is not smart enough to elude investigators this long.

Just a tad far-fetched for obvious reasons

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 10:55 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

The whole blanket thing confuses me. But I guess I assumed that since she said "a" blanket was left in the van, they were short a blanket to cover up with. (Doesn't sound like they had a lot of spare blankets.) So she took it off the window and washed it because she needed a blanket to replace the one "in the van"???

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 10:56 AM
to balance the load in the washer???:confused:

I would assume that depends on what kind of blanket it was..
I wonder if she would even think of balancing a load, I mean, normally if I am washing sheets and bedding, I don't realize it is off balance until the washer starts knocking..

catch_22
02-15-2009, 10:56 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

i think she said that the blanket she normally uses was, "in the van that they took." did the police impound their van to look for evidence? do they even have a van? why was her blanket in the van? what van?

MissOtk
02-15-2009, 10:56 AM
O/T I know, forgive me.
when I wash blankets I take them to a coin laundry with a BIG machine. how does one wash a blanket at home? in the bathtub? they would overload a regular machine.

Depends on the type and size of blanket. I have a large machine that can handle some blankets but the rest, I send to the cleaners.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 10:57 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?I was curious about the blanket on the window, too. She did say she left her blanket in the van. Did she take it down to wash it because it was dirty and she needed another one to cover Rj? Did she wash it together with Haleigh's blanket?

Ugh. As I type this it hit me that it doesn't make any sense at all. It sounds like a "story" she told to LE as to why the blankets were so clean or damp perhaps when they came after Haleigh went missing. Maybe they noticed where the other blanket had been hanging in the window (nails, brads, something there?) and she had to come up with such a story.

If the blankets had no scent at all of Haleigh on them it would also explain why they took it outside to try to get a clear "mark" for the dogs. It could mean that Haleigh was gone long before 3:00 am and she washed evidence. (sigh)

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:57 AM
and why in the world would she report to the media immedaitely that that poor baby "peed on her blanket" It seems like she wanted to say it, and say it more than once for some odd reason. Personally, I think this is a clue, something to think about anyway. Misty reminds me of Susan Smith. Very blah, blank..

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 10:57 AM
What if back door got left cracked open and a wandering pitbull dragged her off. Too far fetched to say an alligator. But it is possible. I saw a pitbull kill a dog this summer. Fresh in my mind.

I just think that the average SO in that area is not smart enough to elude investigators this long.

That would make for a lot of blood, of which there is not, so it's not plausible, imo

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 10:57 AM
The whole blanket thing confuses me. But I guess I assumed that since she said "a" blanket was left in the van, they were short a blanket to cover up with. (Doesn't sound like they had a lot of spare blankets.) So she took it off the window and washed it because she needed a blanket to replace the one "in the van"???

See, I thought of it differently. I thought was she was implying was that LE took the blanket in the crime scene van. (Another thing she was inserting during that conversation) I don't think the van had anything to do with the night before.

djk
02-15-2009, 10:58 AM
something that has been going through my mind is how hard is it for a guilty person to beat a polygraph and have there been any recent cases where someone was found guilty even though they had passed a polygraph? thanks.

luckyme
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
From the last thread:

Originally Posted by momtective View Post
Misty has 2 brothers Timothy & Tommy. Tommy is married to Lindsy and they live behind the Cummings home. I think Guy Sapp is Lindsy's father. Guy Sapp is a property owner in Satsuma and according to Lindsy's myspace http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin he is very successful and makes alot of money...plus he is a very nice guy!!!
Donald Sapp could be Lindsy's brother, cousin or Uncle.

I think guy sapp must be her grandfather. hes 78 years old! jmo

aprilshowers
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
i think she said that the blanket she normally uses was, "in the van that they took." did the police impound their van to look for evidence? do they even have a van? why was her blanket in the van? what van?

And who are THEY?

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
There is a missing blanket from the house? This is not good, I hadn't caught onto that. So they have up front accounted for a blanket being gone from the home immediately to LE? Hmmmmmm this isn't good. A blanket to wrap the body in ugh!!!!

I still want to know about this van, who took the van she is referring to as "them"? Misty's blanket is in the van, right? The blanket from the window was taken down to put over Haleigh because the one that was originally on her was urinated on and was in washer? So we have three blankets, and one is missing?

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
The whole blanket thing confuses me. But I guess I assumed that since she said "a" blanket was left in the van, they were short a blanket to cover up with. (Doesn't sound like they had a lot of spare blankets.) So she took it off the window and washed it because she needed a blanket to replace the one "in the van"???

Yeah, I started to go there...but then she said it was in the van they took...I assume they was LE...so it would have been eaiser to get it out of the van than take a blanket that was being used for a curtain off the window right? Because then you have to hang something back over the window.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
O/T I know, forgive me.
when I wash blankets I take them to a coin laundry with a BIG machine. how does one wash a blanket at home? in the bathtub? they would overload a regular machine.

I can wash a queen size comforter in my washer..I can't add in sheets or anything else with it, but I can wash one.

octobermoon
02-15-2009, 10:59 AM
I would assume that depends on what kind of blanket it was..
I wonder if she would even think of balancing a load, I mean, normally if I am washing sheets and bedding, I don't realize it is off balance until the washer starts knocking..

I have a very old washer (18yrs) that will walk across the room if I am not careful. LOL that was just my first thought.

It is all so confusing because of the changing stories she has told.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:01 AM
There is a missing blanket from the house? This is not good, I hadn't caught onto that. So they have up front accounted for a blanket being gone from the home immediately to LE? Hmmmmmm this isn't good. A blanket to wrap the body in ugh!!!!

I still want to know about this van, who took the van she is referring to as "them"? Misty's blanket is in the van, right? The blanket from the window was taken down to put over Haleigh because the one that was originally on her was urinated on and was in washer? So we have three blankets, and one is missing?

I think we have a missing blanket.

anastacia129
02-15-2009, 11:01 AM
morning everyone!

Where did this "blanket" response come from? Was it on tv or reported in print? I keep wondering what question was asked that sparked this rambling blanket talk. Was she prompted to start discussing it, or did she just offer up the info for no aparent reason?

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:01 AM
See, I thought of it differently. I thought was she was implying was that LE took the blanket in the crime scene van. (Another thing she was inserting during that conversation) I don't think the van had anything to do with the night before.

oh that's right, crime scene van/her sister's van, it never was real clear to me.

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Good Morning all. I just now had time to check in on your posts overnight. Read them all.

I like to sleep on things, so I turned Misty's account over and over in my head last night waiting for sleep.

I have nothing to support my thoughts as of now.

I don't believe Misty was in that house the whole time. I believe she did put the kiddos to bed at the time she said she did. But I don't think she was there the whole time.

I'm going to go back today and relisten to what she has to say in her interviews with the perspective of that she wasn't in the house. She doesn't strike me as someone that could come up with a well thought out coverup if she had commited the crime or had a hand in it.

She's young (whether you consider her still a child or a young adult) she's very young. I believe she stepped out for a while.

Just my two cents.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 11:03 AM
It's like we get TMI on the blanket thing and the back door thing...and nothing about other things.. I can't get past the hink.

I can't get passed the hink either. If someone went through that door, into that house, there is no way a footprint wouldn't be somewhere. Didn't LE say they found a footprint of maybe Haleigh's? I wonder if they found anymore?

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:03 AM
morning everyone!

Where did this "blanket" response come from? Was it on tv or reported in print? I keep wondering what question was asked that sparked this rambling blanket talk. Was she prompted to start discussing it, or did she just offer up the info for no aparent reason?

It was from her first interview, n'est-ce pas? The one where she was sitting with the biscuit lady?

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:04 AM
It seems as though she is inserting things into her statements, like blankets and pee.
I wonder why she didnt know the girls birthday? If she had been there 5 or 6 months, she has either had a birthday, or was going to have one. My daughter was so proud when she was gonna be 6, she told everyone her birthday...Probably not relevant, but strange to me. If they loved her and she loved them, you would know the kids b-day if you took care of them "24/7"

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:04 AM
There is a missing blanket from the house? This is not good, I hadn't caught onto that. So they have up front accounted for a blanket being gone from the home immediately to LE? Hmmmmmm this isn't good. A blanket to wrap the body in ugh!!!!

I still want to know about this van, who took the van she is referring to as "them"? Misty's blanket is in the van, right? The blanket from the window was taken down to put over Haleigh because the one that was originally on her was urinated on and was in washer? So we have three blankets, and one is missing?

The whole blanket/van/window thing was veeeeery confusing. I'm going to go back and see if I can find where she talks about the blanket.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 11:05 AM
morning everyone!

Where did this "blanket" response come from? Was it on tv or reported in print? I keep wondering what question was asked that sparked this rambling blanket talk. Was she prompted to start discussing it, or did she just offer up the info for no aparent reason?

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823

This is the video where she talks about the blanket. She goes from crying, to talking straight while detailing the blanket..

pb6656
02-15-2009, 11:05 AM
It was from her first interview, n'est-ce pas? The one where she was sitting with the biscuit lady?


Who is biscuit lady?

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 11:05 AM
morning everyone!

Where did this "blanket" response come from? Was it on tv or reported in print? I keep wondering what question was asked that sparked this rambling blanket talk. Was she prompted to start discussing it, or did she just offer up the info for no aparent reason?

That ramble about the blanket was in response to the reporters question "what happened that night"

hornswoggled
02-15-2009, 11:06 AM
The whole blanket thing confuses me. But I guess I assumed that since she said "a" blanket was left in the van, they were short a blanket to cover up with. (Doesn't sound like they had a lot of spare blankets.) So she took it off the window and washed it because she needed a blanket to replace the one "in the van"???


Her statements on everything seem disjointed and incomplete. She seems the type to assume you know what she's talking about such as when she says "in the van that they took". Who is "they"?? What van? She cannot make herself clear. I am hoping the LE interviewers can phrase their questions to get some kind of clear answer out of this girl. Her mind has a tendency to wander............If you listen to the 911 call, she keeps saying "huh?", "what?". When the dispatcher ask for the numerical on Green Lane she said "what's that?". I know that I'm picking on her, but there is a little girl's life hanging in the balance here. Use short words and simple phrases. Even if it takes days to question her. Damn.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:07 AM
The whole blanket/van/window thing was veeeeery confusing. I'm going to go back and see if I can find where she talks about the blanket.If you find it please repost...I am confused again, too...and I haven't made it through the first cup of coffee yet. LOL Thanks!

Tichad3
02-15-2009, 11:07 AM
And who are THEY?


Good question.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 11:07 AM
Forensic testing should be coming back any day now. Maybe LE is laying low, not saying anything waiting upon results. Maybe they know who did what, but they need verification through testing. If they took a van, why? Did I read somewhere the Father drives a truck back and forth to work? If so, why wouldn't they have confiscated in for the sole purpose of forensic testing? That seems like the normal protocol.

If there is no evidence of anyone entering into the home, out and through the yard coming and going with Haleigh, nothing at all, then how did a perp get in and out? Fly? :waitasec: If there aren't any stranger vehicle tracks, footprints in the yard anywhere, this would not look good. They had to come in and out someway other than flying. If carrying a body with you, your footprints should even be more visible with the added weight upon your steps as you walk, thus leaving deeper tracking marks.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 11:07 AM
It was from her first interview, n'est-ce pas? The one where she was sitting with the biscuit lady?

does seem strange that two blankets got washed that night. and misty said she was also doing some cleaning. getting rid of evidence? misty said that misty's blanket was in the van so misty was going to use the one over the window but had to wash it first. was the van there but she took down the "curtain" and washed it instead of going outside and getting her blanket out of the van?

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 11:08 AM
I was curious about the blanket on the window, too. She did say she left her blanket in the van. Did she take it down to wash it because it was dirty and she needed another one to cover Rj? Did she wash it together with Haleigh's blanket?

Ugh. As I type this it hit me that it doesn't make any sense at all. It sounds like a "story" she told to LE as to why the blankets were so clean or damp perhaps when they came after Haleigh went missing. Maybe they noticed where the other blanket had been hanging in the window (nails, brads, something there?) and she had to come up with such a story.

If the blankets had no scent at all of Haleigh on them it would also explain why they took it outside to try to get a clear "mark" for the dogs. It could mean that Haleigh was gone long before 3:00 am and she washed evidence. (sigh)

I'm right there with you. Here we go again...

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:08 AM
Hornsw~ I chalked it up to Ronnie screaming in the background and not being able to hear the 911 operator.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:09 AM
so if the blanket was used to cover the window, maybe this is how the perp was able to see in the room w/ the T.V. on??? perhaps, the gf did not wake up during the night when the perp was in the house b/c she was used to the father coming home during the night and her sleeping mind did not worry.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

Here's the interview where she talks about the blanket. It sounds to me the van took the blanket before Haleigh went missing. So I'm thinking it was in her sister's van not taken by LE. But I could be wrong

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:10 AM
SS I have to find a pair of earphones (thankfully the kids are home today)

But is this the interview that she talks about the blanket and van? If not disreguard :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 11:10 AM
does seem strange that two blankets got washed that night. and misty said she was also doing some cleaning. getting rid of evidence? misty said that misty's blanket was in the van so misty was going to use the one over the window but had to wash it first. was the van there but she took down the "curtain" and washed it instead of going outside and getting her blanket out of the van?

The reason it didn't make any sense to me is because now she is saying that her and junior was sleeping together, and Haleigh alone. Now if some van was there and Misty's blanket was in it, and she removed the blanket from the window to wash it, then what did she put on Junior? She never said she laid a sheet on both of them. If neither children had a blanket, why not put them in the bed together and put a sheet over them until the blankets were washed?

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:10 AM
does seem strange that two blankets got washed that night. and misty said she was also doing some cleaning. getting rid of evidence? misty said that misty's blanket was in the van so misty was going to use the one over the window but had to wash it first. was the van there but she took down the "curtain" and washed it instead of going outside and getting her blanket out of the van?Wasn't it just mentioned that they don't have a van?

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:10 AM
pinch poke Ceeker I owe you a coke.:D

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:11 AM
Biscuit lady is Misty's mother.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

Here's the interview where she talks about the blanket. It sounds to me the van took the blanket before Haleigh went missing. So I'm thinking it was in her sister's van not taken by LE. But I could be wrong

Well that makes it even worse for me because I have been thinking if Misty did anything she would have to have help....now why would her blanket be in her sisters van. Makes me wonder if that is how they transported Haleigh, and she had to excuse the missing blanket.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 11:14 AM
I sure hope that something breaks today! I must do my duties as the baseball mom...we were rained out on Saturday, so our Sunday will be spent in the fields!
I'll be thinking of Haleigh today!
Prayers to all of you!

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:14 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?

This is one of the things that sends up a red flag. I certainly don't want to think that anyone in the house had anything to do with this.
In my mind, she's building a story...without the blanket on the window, someone could see in. Are there mini blinds on the bedroom window?

djk
02-15-2009, 11:14 AM
another thing I would like to know is have there been any reports of anybody in these 2 families being out there physically looking for the child? all I have seen is them standing around, or casually walking down the street, or sitting in lawn chairs. kinda like it is someone's job to go out there and find this child. the bio mom says she "knows* the child is still alive and out there, so why is no one looking? (if in fact they are not)

daisy7
02-15-2009, 11:14 AM
The whole blanket/van/window thing was veeeeery confusing. I'm going to go back and see if I can find where she talks about the blanket.

If you find it, can you post her entire quote? Forgot about the blanket on the window...:confused:

ETA: My DSL has been SO slow lately and I can't watch the interview. Can someone please re-post what Misty said? TIA!

catch_22
02-15-2009, 11:14 AM
Wasn't it just mentioned that they don't have a van?

sorry, i didn't see that. do you know who mentioned it? i'm just saying that i don't think she was talking about a police van because all this happened before the police were involved and she said she took down the other blanket because hers was in the van.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:15 AM
Wasn't it just mentioned that they don't have a van?

Someone mentioned a few threads back they saw one of Misty's relatives (Lindsay maybe) had a van in a picture on her myspace. I didn't see it tho.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 11:15 AM
Biscuit lady is Misty's mother.
Happy baker too. :woohoo: Why was Misty's blanket in anyone's van? This doesn't make sense. Had she been driving around at night with the kids while Ron was at work and she would put them to sleep in the van while she did her thing?

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

Here's the interview where she talks about the blanket. It sounds to me the van took the blanket before Haleigh went missing. So I'm thinking it was in her sister's van not taken by LE. But I could be wrong
Thanks for the link!! I couldn't even get through it. Something is wrong here. BAD feeling from MC. She reminds me of a little Lolita. I dont trust her....JMO

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:16 AM
If you find it, can you post her entire quote? Forgot about the blanket on the window...:confused:

Here's a Youtube where she talks about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:16 AM
another thing I would like to know is have there been any reports of anybody in these 2 families being out there physically looking for the child? all I have seen is them standing around, or casually walking down the street, or sitting in lawn chairs. kinda like it is someone's job to go out there and find this child. the bio mom says she "knows* the child is still alive and out there, so why is no one looking? (if in fact they are not)

I think it's SOP to keep families out of the search. They could tamper with the evidence....KWIM?

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 11:18 AM
I was curious about the blanket on the window, too. She did say she left her blanket in the van. Did she take it down to wash it because it was dirty and she needed another one to cover Rj? Did she wash it together with Haleigh's blanket?

Ugh. As I type this it hit me that it doesn't make any sense at all. It sounds like a "story" she told to LE as to why the blankets were so clean or damp perhaps when they came after Haleigh went missing. Maybe they noticed where the other blanket had been hanging in the window (nails, brads, something there?) and she had to come up with such a story.

If the blankets had no scent at all of Haleigh on them it would also explain why they took it outside to try to get a clear "mark" for the dogs. It could mean that Haleigh was gone long before 3:00 am and she washed evidence. (sigh)

Hi SS,

BIG sigh!

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 11:18 AM
In the timeline thread, there was something about a repairman coming to fix the A/C or heater. Does anyone have any information on this repairman? Has he been cleared by LE?

If a repairman fixed the heater, it could explain Misty taking the blanket down. Even if he didn't fix it, it's warm now so you don't need a blanket over the window anyway. :twocents:

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:18 AM
IIRC, Misty had said in that interview Haleigh had wet the blanket that night or was it from the night before? :confused:

I can't remember, I htink she said the night before.
She did, though, make a big deal about taking it off of the window.
I suppose dad came home, needed sleep, and they put it on the window to block out the sunlight.

Anita Richman
02-15-2009, 11:18 AM
I still find Misty's account of washing the blanket as odd.
I understand if she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee. I understand her placing a sheet over her until her blanket was washed and dried..(although I would really like to know what kind of blanket it was to know if it could have been washed and dried in that amount of time), however, I do not understand at all why she took a blanket off the window, and what that had to do with anything. The blanket was apparently already on the window, so neither of them needed that one, Misty said she was cleaning so she didn't need a blanket to cover up with..so why take the blanket off the window at all?
If I'm understanding your confusion correctly, perhaps it could be explained by Misty using "blanket" and "sheet" interchangeably. So, the "sheet" she put over Hayleigh was also the "blanket" she took off the window.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks, Ceeker and Kat!

Uh oh. I see another red flag there. (I guess I missed this interview before?)

Going into the "mom" thing was TMI. Too much explanation to bolster herself and she instantly talks about how they love her...not how much she loves them.

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:20 AM
I think it's SOP to keep families out of the search. They could tamper with the evidence....KWIM?
They could sure go somewhere and hand out flyers...

Sdavidson11
02-15-2009, 11:20 AM
another thing I would like to know is have there been any reports of anybody in these 2 families being out there physically looking for the child? all I have seen is them standing around, or casually walking down the street, or sitting in lawn chairs. kinda like it is someone's job to go out there and find this child. the bio mom says she "knows* the child is still alive and out there, so why is no one looking? (if in fact they are not)

I read in a previous thread that the police won't allow family members to participate in the search in case they find something and tamper with evidence. I thought the same thing too! Just like the A's but it is police policy. Don't have a link but it was stated in one of the 18 threads!

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm not really paying attention to the blanket yet, sorry. I did notice that she's making direct eye contact with the reporter while relating the story about the blanket, she speaks clearly as if she really is remembering accurate details.

Then...she starts looking down, looks up, squinches her eyes when she starts recollecting about getting up finding the kitchen light on, "about 3 am" seeing the door wide open, going into the bedroom and finding Haleigh gone.

Sounds to me, like she reentered the home, then found the light on and back door wide open then proceeded to the bedroom where the children were and found Haleigh missing.

What do you think?

christine2448
02-15-2009, 11:20 AM
something that has been going through my mind is how hard is it for a guilty person to beat a polygraph and have there been any recent cases where someone was found guilty even though they had passed a polygraph? thanks.

I respectfully disagree with it's hard for someone to beat a polygraph. I have read a lot about them and think they are total bunk. There is a reason they are not admissable in court.

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:22 AM
Upon re-hearing the blanket interview, she seemed to volunteer that up early and with an inordinate amount of detail. No one really asked about it and it wasn't yet a factor. It's odd, if nothing else.

anastacia129
02-15-2009, 11:22 AM
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823

This is the video where she talks about the blanket. She goes from crying, to talking straight while detailing the blanket..

Thanks!

When people start inserting irrelevant information, it usually means they are hiding something, right? Why does she feel the need to go into so much detail on the blankets, but does not mention in any detail the events prior to bedtime?

Perhaps there is another reason the blanket was washed.

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:23 AM
When the reporter questions her about being questioned by the police go look at her body language. It starts at about 1:52 or so.

She is stating that it's been hard but she's trying to everything she can to find her.

She's shaking her head no. Contridiction between words and body language.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:23 AM
Yea...the blankie interview does not set well. hmmmmm

Blaise
02-15-2009, 11:24 AM
I respectfully disagree with it's hard for someone to beat a polygraph. I have read a lot about them and think they are total bunk. There is a reason they are not admissable in court.

I agree. My ex-husband passed one. He's serving 15 years for abusing my daughter.

Blaise

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:26 AM
I also thought it was interesting when she said they told her "Not to talk about the poly"...don't know why, but it just stuck out.

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 11:26 AM
Who is biscuit lady?

:rotfl: Sorry- That was perfect comic relief, thank-you:blowkiss:

Please someone correct me if this is wrong: "biscuit lady" is Misty's mom??

I think...i'm so confused now...

djk
02-15-2009, 11:26 AM
I think it's SOP to keep families out of the search. They could tamper with the evidence....KWIM?

oh, that makes sense. OK, thanks.

hornswoggled
02-15-2009, 11:28 AM
Upon listening again to the interview containing the blanket statements MC says "my blanket was in the van that they took". She seemed to emphasize the word "took". It almost sounds as if the van was repossessed from RC. That would make more sense if they once had a van. It would make sense to have a blanket in the back of a van when you have little kids riding in it. Just another thought drifting through my head today.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:28 AM
We do know Misty was asked to take two LDTs. I thought the first one must have been inconclusive. Maybe they came up with more questions or decided she was too upset during the first one so they wanted to compare.


OT: I am so sorry, Blaise. I hope you both are healing. Bless your hearts. :(

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:28 AM
I know, I know, this is gonna sound weird, but she smells pee on a blanket? She didnt see a stain, but she "smelled" it? how dehydrated does a child have to be to have a urine concentration so strong, it is smelled and not seen? It is possible, and I am picking apart every detail, but smelling, instead of seeing is weird. It is like she is going out of her way to make sure everyone knows Haleigh peed, and poor Misty had to wash the blanket, and it stunk. I would try to save my child that humiliation if possible. Tell the police?yes. Tell the television station? No.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 11:29 AM
it would be so nice if we knew simple info such as if she was in school monday, what the father's exact work hours were that night (and if he left for a lunch break or not), and if the a/c repair man saw haleigh or not.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:29 AM
Upon listening again to the interview containing the blanket statements MC says "my blanket was in the van that they took". She seemed to emphasize the word "took". It almost sounds as if the van was repossessed from RC. That would make more sense if they once had a van. It would make sense to have a blanket in the back of a van when you have little kids riding in it. Just another thought drifting through my head today.

If it was repo'ed, wouldn't it had to have been that day....you need blankets every night right?

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:30 AM
Thanks!

When people start inserting irrelevant information, it usually means they are hiding something, right? Why does she feel the need to go into so much detail on the blankets, but does not mention in any detail the events prior to bedtime?

Perhaps there is another reason the blanket was washed.I agree. This interview and the blanket story doesn't sit well with me at all.

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 11:30 AM
I know, I know, this is gonna sound weird, but she smells pee on a blanket? She didnt see a stain, but she "smelled" it? how dehydrated does a child have to be to have a urine concentration so strong, it is smelled and not seen? It is possible, and I am picking apart every detail, but smelling, instead of seeing is weird. It is like she is going out of her way to make sure everyone knows Haleigh peed, and poor Misty had to wash the blanket, and it stunk. I would try to save my child that humiliation if possible. Tell the police?yes. Tell the television station? No.

Especially if it had happened the night before, then it would be dry by the next night of course, and most likely not smell that much if at all..

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:32 AM
We do know Misty was asked to take two LDTs. I thought the first one must have been inconclusive. Maybe they came up with more questions or decided she was too upset during the first one so they wanted to compare.


OT: I am so sorry, Blaise. I hope you both are healing. Bless your hearts. :(

My suspicion was that she might have been high at the time the first LDT was administered and LE isn't saying.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:32 AM
I go back and forth with Misty. On the one hand the she offers up too much info on some strange things and I find that suspect. But when I was little and if my mother didn't believe what I was telling her, I developed a bad habit of spewing out all kinds of stupid stuff and sound guilty as sin when I'm not. I still have that bad habit. Since Misty previously had an abusive boyfriend maybe she developed the habit of trying too hard to convince someone of the truth.

But I just don't know what I feel about Misty

TxLady2
02-15-2009, 11:33 AM
That was a nice picture of the parents and Misty at the candlelight vigil. The mom leaning on the dad's shoulder.... perfectly natural. IF Misty had any jealous thoughts, then she is just too immature to realize that THEY are the parents of the little girl, and most parents will lean on each other for comfort. Nothing wrong with it.
I originally had some doubts about Misty with her different stories of where everyone slept and the closing of her eyes when she is talking, but the more I think about it, the more I realize she is barely more than a child herself, has not had an easy life, and is probably scared out of her mind right now. I'm going to give her a pass on all this odd behavior until we learn more facts. Same with Crystal and Ronald. There is nothing about either one that leads me to believe they could have done anything to harm their little girl. And I think some of the conflicting stories could be attributed to some of the reporters not checking facts before they report. Happens a lot.

I feel so bad for ALL the families at this point. And with each day that passes, it gets more difficult to hope and believe that she is alive. I wish it were not so, but sadly, it is.
Thanks to all of you who have kept us updated. I pray every day that Haleigh will be found soon. And for comfort for all who love her.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:33 AM
Thanks, Ceeker and Kat!

Uh oh. I see another red flag there. (I guess I missed this interview before?)

Going into the "mom" thing was TMI. Too much explanation to bolster herself and she instantly talks about how they love her...not how much she loves them.
bolded by me

I noticed this a couple days ago as well. At the time, I thought perhaps she was saying this b/c she was the gf and not the mother. A subtle jab @ the mother.

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:33 AM
I'm going to open myself to ridicule possibly here but as I've said before I have raised 7 kids (five my own, 2 by marriage) and I learned a long time ago sometimes ya gotta do the "sniff test".

It becomes almost a habit when you put little ones to bed. Sniff the bed real quick to make sure you didn't miss pee-pee. Of course as they grow older (with my boys) I had to start sniffing various things such as their hair and skin after they *claimed* they had bathed.

Just sayin...

Anita Richman
02-15-2009, 11:35 AM
A little off topic, but not really...does anyone recall how long after reporting her children missing did Susan Smith confess?

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 11:35 AM
If the Father wasn't involved, and Misty did do something to Haleigh and has covered it up, couldn't he have figured that out by now? I would be able to in my own partner. Maybe that's why he is calling her that name, he knows what she did, and he's chosen to stick with her because of his own guilt in not seeing it coming, I know I would beat myself up bad if my love living with me harmed one of my children. I would be blaming myself big time for not seeing the signs and flags associated with events leading up to a crime like this.

Him being more experienced in parenting, maybe he was erroneously letting her slide constantly with the children out of shear need for her baby sitting services, cooking cleaning and we know the other fringe benefits to having misty around. It's not that easy to find a young attractive girl to mother two young children from get jump street that doesn't expect him to pamper and buy for her, woe her properly as most young girls would expect early on in a new relationship.

Remember it was said Misty was homeless when she met Ron. Maybe Misty is now pregnant and he's trying to salvage whatever is left and move on. I mean, we know they were sexually active, we know Misty didn't have covered medical insurance, and if she did have medicaid in her childhood, which she probably was a medicaid baby from birth and up, didn't keep up with the paperwork and routine current status questionaires all recipients are required to maintain like every three months to keep your medicaid benefits. Thus affording birth control is my point, it's a stretch, but hey, this was a meal ticket for Misty, no doubt about that.

MissOtk
02-15-2009, 11:35 AM
Someone mentioned a few threads back they saw one of Misty's relatives (Lindsay maybe) had a van in a picture on her myspace. I didn't see it tho.

Yes, Lindsy has the van in her myspace pictures.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:36 AM
My suspicion was that she might have been high at the time the first LDT was administered and LE isn't saying.I wouldn't think they would give her a LDT immediately after taking the first report and I don't see her getting high after LE becomes involved in this (I could be wrong tho.). Most people wouldn't because you would know they are looking so closely at you and because LE are...well...there. Wouldn't you feel they could tell if you were high?

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:36 AM
I'm going to open myself to ridicule possibly here but as I've said before I have raised 7 kids (five my own, 2 by marriage) and I learned a long time ago sometimes ya gotta do the "sniff test".

It becomes almost a habit when you put little ones to bed. Sniff the bed real quick to make sure you didn't miss pee-pee. Of course as they grow older (with my boys) I had to start sniffing various things such as their hair and skin after they *claimed* they had bathed.

Just sayin...

You're absolutely right, and thanks for keeping it real.

hornswoggled
02-15-2009, 11:37 AM
When MC says "I covered her with a little sheet", her voice breaks. Why? What is she recalling exactly? What is she seeing in her mind's eye. Did something awful happen to Haleigh and the child's bladder emptied onto the blanket, and MC had to cover her little body with a sheet and then wash the blanket? Haleigh's scent should be on the blanket if she were in fact covered with it after it was washed. Scent should also be on the "little sheet". This is just getting more and more suspicious.

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Especially if it had happened the night before, then it would be dry by the next night of course, and most likely not smell that much if at all..

I'm going to open myself to ridicule possibly here but as I've said before I have raised 7 kids (five my own, 2 by marriage) and I learned a long time ago sometimes ya gotta do the "sniff test".

It becomes almost a habit when you put little ones to bed. Sniff the bed real quick to make sure you didn't miss pee-pee. Of course as they grow older (with my boys) I had to start sniffing various things such as their hair and skin after they *claimed* they had bathed.

Just sayin...
I agree, it struck me weird that she "smelled" pee. I thought you guys were gonna bounce me outta here for saying it, but I have felt like that was a strange thing to say. Cat urine? probably, but a childs? And if it was a light colored blanket, there would still be a stain that would jump out before a smell, ESPECIALLY if she peed enough to SMELL it.

AuburnJenn
02-15-2009, 11:39 AM
I truly feel that Misti is the key to this whole puzzle. I'm a big believer in body language and hers is very "off" to me. The picture from the vigil is interesting - there is something that is just not right about it. Her behavior in interviews has been strange at best. I'm not sure if she actually physically did something to Haleigh, but I think she's somehow involved. Whether she wasn't really home when she said she was, left the kids home alone, had another man over at the house, etc.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 11:39 AM
Good am y'all sorry there's no good news... Caught up now, and really stuck on DSapp (not sure who to give credit to, but neon flashing signs and warning bells and buzzers going off bigtime). Of all the SO's we have looked at this particular connection is WAYyyy too close IMO, just have a truly hinky feeling about him.

Question for anyone, please: Has LE said whether they know for certain the AC guy was even on this--or any other tenants'--property in any sort of official capacity or ever dispatched based upon actual work order? Frankly now I'm wondering if he was authorized to perform "work" or whether he perhaps used this as a ruse? In any event, whether there on an actual work order or not, agree it seems he arrived a little conveniently in Satsuma in relation to Haleigh's disappearance, and would have had ample opportunity to case out--and to easily insert himself--into the equation. (I apologize in advance if question's been asked, think I've read every post but it's possible I missed.) TIA for anyone who knows if LE reported whether this was confirmed official business, other residents were serviced etc. JMO

:parrot:

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:39 AM
I wouldn't think they would give her a LDT immediately after taking the first report and I don't see her getting high after LE becomes involved in this (I could be wrong tho.). Most people wouldn't because you would know they are looking so closely at you and because LE are...well...there. Wouldn't you feel they could tell if you were high?

If they had piss tested her and she came up hot, they may have deemed the first test unusable. Even if she wasn't still feeling it, any indication that it was still in her system could negate the accuracy of the test.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:40 AM
Which does lead us back to if the blanket smelled like pee...then it would make sense the sheets did, too. So it was ok for her to lay in it since she didn't change the sheets?

(sigh) I cannot believe I blew this off before when it was mentioned and I tried to say it was Rj who could have peed on the blanket. (banging my stubborn @ss head against the keyboard sdfjaoserjoucgleskao)

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:41 AM
I'm going to open myself to ridicule possibly here but as I've said before I have raised 7 kids (five my own, 2 by marriage) and I learned a long time ago sometimes ya gotta do the "sniff test".

It becomes almost a habit when you put little ones to bed. Sniff the bed real quick to make sure you didn't miss pee-pee. Of course as they grow older (with my boys) I had to start sniffing various things such as their hair and skin after they *claimed* they had bathed.

Just sayin...

I remember when my kids were little sometimes their diaper would leak a little at night and I wouldn't notice "the smell" till I went to cover them up when I put them to bed.

tfrohning
02-15-2009, 11:42 AM
I really don't think this Gf and family anything to do with Haleigh missing.
I do believe the girlfriend does drugs and might went out when the the kids were sleeping and she afarid to tell RC.
I think that RC mom be dispacther for another county the she part of LE family and she might know more than anybody what LE is keeping close to vest.
I do have another theory.
With railroad tracks so close Any pert could been riding the rails.
Could been camping near the house in heavy wooded area near the house watching the family.
I still want ot know more about AC guy.

TxLady2
02-15-2009, 11:42 AM
I know, I know, this is gonna sound weird, but she smells pee on a blanket? She didnt see a stain, but she "smelled" it? how dehydrated does a child have to be to have a urine concentration so strong, it is smelled and not seen? It is possible, and I am picking apart every detail, but smelling, instead of seeing is weird. It is like she is going out of her way to make sure everyone knows Haleigh peed, and poor Misty had to wash the blanket, and it stunk. I would try to save my child that humiliation if possible. Tell the police?yes. Tell the television station? No.

If the blanket was colored or had a pattern of sorts, then it might not show a stain. And no, the odor does not go away completely when it dries.
It isn't unusual for a 5-year old to wet the bed, even if only occasionally, so to suggest that she would be humiliated that it was said on t.v., I don't think so. But that's just me.

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:42 AM
I'm going to open myself to ridicule possibly here but as I've said before I have raised 7 kids (five my own, 2 by marriage) and I learned a long time ago sometimes ya gotta do the "sniff test".

It becomes almost a habit when you put little ones to bed. Sniff the bed real quick to make sure you didn't miss pee-pee. Of course as they grow older (with my boys) I had to start sniffing various things such as their hair and skin after they *claimed* they had bathed.

Just sayin...


I'm a "sniffer", too. 9 y/o DD says it's "gross" :crazy:

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:42 AM
Which does lead us back to if the blanket smelled like pee...then it would make sense the sheets did, too. So it was ok for her to lay in it since she didn't change the sheets?

(sigh) I cannot believe I blew this off before when it was mentioned and I tried to say it was Rj who could have peed on the blanket. (banging my stubborn @ss head against the keyboard sdfjaoserjoucgleskao)

maybe they only use sheets as a "blanket". it is possible that they sleep directly on the matress.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:42 AM
Which does lead us back to if the blanket smelled like pee...then it would make sense the sheets did, too. So it was ok for her to lay in it since she didn't change the sheets?

(sigh) I cannot believe I blew this off before when it was mentioned and I tried to say it was Rj who could have peed on the blanket. (banging my stubborn @ss head against the keyboard sdfjaoserjoucgleskao)

Quit banging ur head....we need it! :blowkiss:

Lisabet
02-15-2009, 11:43 AM
Good morning, could hardly sleep last night, I hoped something would break today, nothing new I take it...
anyone hear a weather report for Satsuma? I am grasping here.

Me too, Kelly. I woke early this morning and turned the news on first thing, actually crossing my fingers and saying a little prayer that there'd be some good news about Haleigh. I am SOOOOO disappointed because the time that has passed now does not bode well for her or for her family.

I saw an earlier post that George and KFN had been invited to leave --- do we know if that's a fact? I hope so because this isn't about helping George to heal or about exposing Cindy and KFN to the public and the media ---- they'll have to find other ways to do that and leave this family alone. Why would the Cummings family want to be associated with folks whose own daughter killed a little girl (IMO)?

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:44 AM
I agree, it struck me weird that she "smelled" pee. I thought you guys were gonna bounce me outta here for saying it, but I have felt like that was a strange thing to say. Cat urine? probably, but a childs? And if it was a light colored blanket, there would still be a stain that would jump out before a smell, ESPECIALLY if she peed enough to SMELL it.

In a healthy person, urine is sterile. If it's exposed to the air, then bacteria begin growing and THEN it gets stinky. I don't think it's too far fetched to believe that the blanket smelled, especially if Haleigh had her accident the night before. That's plenty of time for bacteria to grow. :yuck:

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:45 AM
I remember when my kids were little sometimes their diaper would leak a little at night and I wouldn't notice "the smell" till I went to cover them up when I put them to bed.

Yup Ceeker. My oldest step-daughter would pee at night and sleep right through it so that when she got up in the morning she was dry and the bedding was only slightly damp. I would have to run my hands over her sheets before I made the bed or sniff.

O/T..way O/T but I always found that a young child's urine is subtle in odor and has a kind of sweet smell to it after it has dried. Not offensive like an adult's urine. Or maybe it was just my Momma nose smelling my own children's urine. <shrugs>

tfrohning
02-15-2009, 11:45 AM
A little off topic, but not really...does anyone recall how long after reporting her children missing did Susan Smith confess?

I just watch a special on SSmith i think it was like two weeks.

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:45 AM
Why would Misty have to mention the blanket or the pee AT ALL????? What did that have to do with the question? I know, there are different scenarios, I just thought it was one more strange thing that she says. And, yes, I think it would be humiliating to a 5 year old to be on tv and everyone knows you wet the bed, although I doubt Haleigh is watching tv. I wish.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:45 AM
Anyone else think it's time to move away from the general discussion thread so we can start looking @ specifics? My organized mind cannot take this much longer. We can still have a daily general discussion but this is becoming too much for those of us that are a little OCD.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:45 AM
maybe they only use sheets as a "blanket". it is possible that they sleep directly on the matress.

If she neede to wash the blanket....the mattress would still have pee on it...and if she had flipped the mattress she would have mentioned that too maybe. My point is maybe there was no pee. Something else had to be cleaned up. ie....evidence?

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:46 AM
Quit banging ur head....we need it! :blowkiss:OT: No worries. I have a hard head. LOL (now sporting a "keyboard" tat on my forehead tho.)

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 11:47 AM
Good am y'all sorry there's no good news... Caught up now, and really stuck on DSapp (not sure who to give credit to, but neon flashing signs and warning bells and buzzers going off bigtime). Of all the SO's we have looked at this particular connection is WAYyyy too close IMO, just have a truly hinky feeling about him.

Question for anyone, please: Has LE said whether they know for certain the AC guy was even on this--or any other tenants'--property in any sort of official capacity or ever dispatched based upon actual work order? Frankly now I'm wondering if he was authorized to perform "work" or whether he perhaps used this as a ruse? In any event, whether there on an actual work order or not, agree it seems he arrived a little conveniently in Satsuma in relation to Haleigh's disappearance, and would have had ample opportunity to case out--and to easily insert himself--into the equation. (I apologize in advance if question's been asked, think I've read every post but it's possible I missed.) TIA for anyone who knows if LE reported whether this was confirmed official business, other residents were serviced etc. JMO

:parrot:Is DSapp the AC repairman? Is he a SO, or both?

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:47 AM
If she neede to wash the blanket....the mattress would still have pee on it...and if she had flipped the mattress she would have mentioned that too maybe. My point is maybe there was no pee. Something else had to be cleaned up. ie....evidence?

if it was from the night before, maybe the matress was dry but the blanket was not, or perhaps she had Haleigh sleep on the other end of the bed?

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:48 AM
Which does lead us back to if the blanket smelled like pee...then it would make sense the sheets did, too. So it was ok for her to lay in it since she didn't change the sheets?

(sigh) I cannot believe I blew this off before when it was mentioned and I tried to say it was Rj who could have peed on the blanket. (banging my stubborn @ss head against the keyboard sdfjaoserjoucgleskao)

Just playing devil's advocate here (since I don't know what I think) BUT maybe she peed in the bed in another room the night before but brought the blanket into the master bedroom which had the pee on it. It would have been a Sunday night and Ron would probably have been home so maybe they were in the other room the night before.

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:48 AM
Is DSapp the AC repairman? Is he a SO, or both?

DSapp is a SO.
AC man is another person.

tfrohning
02-15-2009, 11:48 AM
Me too, Kelly. I woke early this morning and turned the news on first thing, actually crossing my fingers and saying a little prayer that there'd be some good news about Haleigh. I am SOOOOO disappointed because the time that has passed now does not bode well for her or for her family.

I saw an earlier post that George and KFN had been invited to leave --- do we know if that's a fact? I hope so because this isn't about helping George to heal or about exposing Cindy and KFN to the public and the media ---- they'll have to find other ways to do that and leave this family alone. Why would the Cummings family want to be associated with folks whose own daughter killed a little girl (IMO)?

My first thought was that I hope they :eek:do not tell them not take LDTs. and not to trust LE. :confused:

MissOtk
02-15-2009, 11:48 AM
A little off topic, but not really...does anyone recall how long after reporting her children missing did Susan Smith confess?

9 days

Sleuthster
02-15-2009, 11:49 AM
Is DSapp the AC repairman? Is he a SO, or both?

Yes, someone please reinterate.

Did LE confirm there was an AC repairman at the residence the day she disapeared?

Is the AC repairman DSapp the SO?

Or this rumor? Thanks in advance

kellync
02-15-2009, 11:49 AM
if she neede to wash the blanket....the mattress would still have pee on it...and if she had flipped the mattress she would have mentioned that too maybe. My point is maybe there was no pee. Something else had to be cleaned up. Ie....evidence?
yes!!!!!

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 11:49 AM
Anyone else think it's time to move away from the general discussion thread so we can start looking @ specifics? My organized mind cannot take this much longer. We can still have a daily general discussion but this is becoming too much for those of us that are a little OCD.
Yes...but there is a WARNING (see Sticky) about starting new threads about this case.

obguthr
02-15-2009, 11:49 AM
I think our discussion is getting as stale as a pee stained blanket. (TIC) I could sure use an infusion of some new information.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:49 AM
If she neede to wash the blanket....the mattress would still have pee on it...and if she had flipped the mattress she would have mentioned that too maybe. My point is maybe there was no pee. Something else had to be cleaned up. ie....evidence?

Is there bleach in the home??? Vinegar to clean up urine, but bleach to clean/kill/destroy other fluids.

Anita Richman
02-15-2009, 11:49 AM
Which does lead us back to if the blanket smelled like pee...then it would make sense the sheets did, too. So it was ok for her to lay in it since she didn't change the sheets?

(sigh) I cannot believe I blew this off before when it was mentioned and I tried to say it was Rj who could have peed on the blanket. (banging my stubborn @ss head against the keyboard sdfjaoserjoucgleskao)
Maybe the beds weren't covered in sheets/blankets like one would normally expect. Perhaps there wasn't a fitted sheet, and a flat sheet, then the blanket. If the children were just laying on the mattress, covered by a sheet/blanket, and that one smelled of pee, then Misty would just replace it with one to cover them.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:50 AM
If she neede to wash the blanket....the mattress would still have pee on it...and if she had flipped the mattress she would have mentioned that too maybe. My point is maybe there was no pee. Something else had to be cleaned up. ie....evidence?YES! Exactly. So what else would have to be cleaned up? (sigh)

Did she do something inside the house and take her in the blanket out the backdoor to where she left her...maybe getting either bodily fluids and/or mud on it? She comes back with the blanket because she knows Ronnie will miss it and washes it to lay back on the bed? Is there a blanket in the mystery van? If so, where is it and does LE have it now? If not...then we do have a missing blanket.

Kat
02-15-2009, 11:50 AM
if it was from the night before, maybe the matress was dry but the blanket was not, or perhaps she had Haleigh sleep on the other end of the bed?


I am taking this way out there, sorry. FTO wasn't it said that Haleigh was laying on a toddler bed mattress? IIRC all the toddler beds I used just used a crib mattress. The kind that was covered in plastic you know? That way the mattress wasn't ruined when one of the kiddo's peed.

Amster
02-15-2009, 11:50 AM
Why was a pee soaked blanket hanging on the window?? When was it put there? That day?

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:50 AM
Well I am in the "Not sure there was really pee camp". Could have been something else she was getting rid of. And iirc...MGM said she did not wet the bed, hadn't in a couple of years.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:50 AM
Yup Ceeker. My oldest step-daughter would pee at night and sleep right through it so that when she got up in the morning she was dry and the bedding was only slightly damp. I would have to run my hands over her sheets before I made the bed or sniff.

O/T..way O/T but I always found that a young child's urine is subtle in odor and has a kind of sweet smell to it after it has dried. Not offensive like an adult's urine. Or maybe it was just my Momma nose smelling my own children's urine. <shrugs>

I think it's one of those things, we know it when we smell it, that's for sure!

FIND'HER
02-15-2009, 11:51 AM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_23bed0c623dd4e739f379b1b81ed29ca.jpg


I think this is a picture of Haleighs mom from her sister sarah account.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 11:51 AM
what's got me a little worried also is the fact if Haleigh was physically harmed/killed in the home, we know when someone dies their bladders void along with sometimes loosing fecal matter also. Which maybe why she washed the blanket, because she knew these bodily fluids was on the blanket and needed to explain if they did find any she missed in the clean up process. Dunno, just speculating. The mother and GM did say she hadn't wet the bed in a long time.

That can be verified through the school too, cuz I know it would probably be listed somewhere on her school record when she's registered so the teachers/care takers can keep an eye on a child of her age who hasn't maintained 100% bladder control yet. Most schools for kindergartners ask this or it's reported upon registration or conversing with the caretaker of the child during normal conversations throughout the school year.

So this can be verified through a neutral source if it is accurate she was a bed wetter. We have already two mama and GM denying it, sooooo and I can't see any reason why they would be lying about this detail concerning the child. So in my opinion the Turner syndrome has been debunked by me in my mind since the beginning of this case and I haven't commented.

If you have a constant bed wetter wouldn't you be more prepared for a nighttime accidet than Misty was? Would the child be in nighttime pull ups? Training pants? Something? It doesn't make sense not to, it actually would cost more to not be pro-active with the bedwetting than going through clean up every morn or nighttime.

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 11:52 AM
YES! Exactly. So what else would have to be cleaned up? (sigh)

Did she do something inside the house and take her in the blanket out the backdoor to where she left her...maybe getting either bodily fluids and/or mud on it? She comes back with the blanket because she knows Ronnie will miss it and washes it to lay back on the bed? Is there a blanket in the mystery van? If so, where is it and does LE have it now? If not...then we do have a missing blanket.

SS, do you remember if there was talk in the beginning that LE confiscated a blanket that was hung out to dry there on the porch or something to that extent?

mybrokenwings
02-15-2009, 11:52 AM
Me too, Kelly. I woke early this morning and turned the news on first thing, actually crossing my fingers and saying a little prayer that there'd be some good news about Haleigh. I am SOOOOO disappointed because the time that has passed now does not bode well for her or for her family.

I saw an earlier post that George and KFN had been invited to leave --- do we know if that's a fact? I hope so because this isn't about helping George to heal or about exposing Cindy and KFN to the public and the media ---- they'll have to find other ways to do that and leave this family alone. Why would the Cummings family want to be associated with folks whose own daughter killed a little girl (IMO)?

Oh I SOOOO Agree with you!!!! I wouldn't want George and KFN anywhere NEAR me unless I killed my own daughter, then he would be good for advice! I used to like George, but he has gone too far this time! It would be different had things been different in his case. But he is tainted and will never be able to get in this field!

I was hoping for news today too. Too much time has gone by now but I am still praying for that little girl.

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:52 AM
Why was a pee soaked blanket hanging on the window?? When was it put there? That day?

Just from my experience working night shift, maybe dad put it in the window when he got home from work to better block sunlight coming through the window. I suppose it would have to have been put there that day, since M says Haleigh peed on it the night before.

I want to know if there are mini blinds on the window...anyone know?

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:52 AM
I am taking this way out there, sorry. FTO wasn't it said that Haleigh was laying on a toddler bed mattress? IIRC all the toddler beds I used just used a crib mattress. The kind that was covered in plastic you know? That way the mattress wasn't ruined when one of the kiddo's peed.Good point. Probably waterproof.

TxLady2
02-15-2009, 11:52 AM
another thing I would like to know is have there been any reports of anybody in these 2 families being out there physically looking for the child? all I have seen is them standing around, or casually walking down the street, or sitting in lawn chairs. kinda like it is someone's job to go out there and find this child. the bio mom says she "knows* the child is still alive and out there, so why is no one looking? (if in fact they are not)


I don't find it odd that the family is not searching. Depending on the county, many LE agencies prefer that the family members NOT join the search, in case they do find a body. It's that way in my county, because my son is with the SD here and used to be a member of the horse patrol, S&R team. Think how awful it would be if you were the one to find your murdered child.
If it is a matter of a child that they know wandered off or got lost, they usually don't mind. But for a child that has been kidnapped in the middle of the night, they know it is not likely to find them alive after so long a time.
I never find fault with families not out searching.... some just can't do it, I know I couldn't.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 11:53 AM
YES! Exactly. So what else would have to be cleaned up? (sigh)

Did she do something inside the house and take her in the blanket out the backdoor to where she left her...maybe getting either bodily fluids and/or mud on it? She comes back with the blanket because she knows Ronnie will miss it and washes it to lay back on the bed? Is there a blanket in the mystery van? If so, where is it and does LE have it now? If not...then we do have a missing blanket.

Just playing devil's advocate here (since I don't know what I think) BUT maybe she peed in the bed in another room the night before but brought the blanket into the master bedroom which had the pee on it. It would have been a Sunday night and Ron would probably have been home so maybe they were in the other room the night before.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 11:53 AM
I am taking this way out there, sorry. FTO wasn't it said that Haleigh was laying on a toddler bed mattress? IIRC all the toddler beds I used just used a crib mattress. The kind that was covered in plastic you know? That way the mattress wasn't ruined when one of the kiddo's peed.

if it was a toddler bed/crib mattress it would have been covered in plastic and would have been an easy clean-up. this may also explain why Haleigh slept by herself. if she was prone to accidents, it would make sense to have her sleep on this type of mattress.

hornswoggled
02-15-2009, 11:53 AM
I am taking this way out there, sorry. FTO wasn't it said that Haleigh was laying on a toddler bed mattress? IIRC all the toddler beds I used just used a crib mattress. The kind that was covered in plastic you know? That way the mattress wasn't ruined when one of the kiddo's peed.

Very good point Kat. I do remember hearing about a toddler bed mattress. Maybe that's why MC said she "covered her with a little sheet", perhaps a small fitted sheet from the toddler mattress. I still wonder why her voice broke when she said "so I covered her with a little sheet". Strange.

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 11:54 AM
Especially if it had happened the night before, then it would be dry by the next night of course, and most likely not smell that much if at all..

I'm pretty sure I would have noticed, I would have noticed the morning when I got her up for school. But that's just me. I'm super sensitive to odor and always have been. If my kids had been bed wetters I would have been doing their laundry first thing every morning or I wouldn't have been able to stay in the house. The kid would have had a bath or at least a quick shower that morning too.

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 11:54 AM
I think it's one of those things, we know it when we smell it, that's for sure!

What if Misty was gettin' it on with somebody while the kids were asleep and Haleigh woke up and witnessed it? :eek:

catch_22
02-15-2009, 11:54 AM
i wonder if the police are "on to" misty, but don't want to jump the gun and have her stop talking and lawyer up. they probably want to find the body first and get some concrete evidence. there isn't really any hurry to arrest her. let her run. i doubt she'd get very far and it would look a bit guilty.

cheko1
02-15-2009, 11:54 AM
I was curious about the blanket on the window, too. She did say she left her blanket in the van. Did she take it down to wash it because it was dirty and she needed another one to cover Rj? Did she wash it together with Haleigh's blanket?

Ugh. As I type this it hit me that it doesn't make any sense at all. It sounds like a "story" she told to LE as to why the blankets were so clean or damp perhaps when they came after Haleigh went missing. Maybe they noticed where the other blanket had been hanging in the window (nails, brads, something there?) and she had to come up with such a story.

If the blankets had no scent at all of Haleigh on them it would also explain why they took it outside to try to get a clear "mark" for the dogs. It could mean that Haleigh was gone long before 3:00 am and she washed evidence. (sigh)

SS not sure you got to read my post to you on the other thread.In regards to the wells in Fl......
Most places have a small shed people call them pump houses they are above ground / inside they have the pumps for there wells. The wells have the pipe sticking out of the ground then the pump is attached.
From the pictures of there place & the shed in such close proximity to the house that is what I took it to be. They are not underground as ours are here.

ElizaAvalon
02-15-2009, 11:55 AM
THANK YOU for talking about the van and blankets. I'm wondering if this is key to the investigation.

Misty's brother Tommy and sister-in-law Lindsy who live on Tyler (around the block from Ron's) have a minivan. A picture of it is on Lindsy's myspace (at least it was yesterday) where she says it is her new van. (See the post I made about this yesterday, with link).

I am curious to know if this is the van that Misty was talking about in her interview. Tommy and his young sons were at the house in the afternoon before Haleigh went missing. Did he walk over? Did he drive over with the van?

Was the blanket in Tommy and Lindsy's van and did LE take Lindsy and Tommy's van?

I'm dying to know this. I'm tempted to email some reporters to ask them if they see the van in the neighborhood. Or is it missing?

Just found my post from yesterday: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3310403#post3310403 contains link to picture of van and transcript of Misty's interview re: blankets.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 11:55 AM
Just from my experience working night shift, maybe dad put it in the window when he got home from work to better block sunlight coming through the window. I suppose it would have to have been put there that day, since M says Haleigh peed on it the night before.

I want to know if there are mini blinds on the window...anyone know?That makes sense he was blocking the light, but let me get this straight in my head...

Haleigh's blanket had pee. She took the one off the window to use, but instead washed it, too? Or the blanket on the window smelled like pee? Oh, Gosh...I need more coffee and a softer keyboard. :waitasec:

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 11:55 AM
Btw if I ever arrived or awakened to a missing child, either my own or anyone else's--as others have said, I, too would be yelling frantically (probably more like screaming hysterically) out into the night--not sitting on a step. For the life of me I just cannot wrap my mind around the reactions by either gf or dad. Also when I first read Misty's account of removing blanket from window it made sense since one had been soiled and so needed laundering... but she reports that she covered Haleigh w a sheet...? :waitasec:
In addition, from beginning I've posted the timing of gf's call to dad seemed a bit too coincidental (made allowances tho for a waking routine when dad arrives each nite as others continue to support). But it has also always struck me as strange that dad did not make 911 call. Tho this too could have innocent explanation (dad's too angry and not calm enough to provide answers calmly; or blames gf and so demands it be she who reports etc) Lastly, agree totally the gf has NOT provided sufficient detail about the events of this day--at least not to media nor is LE indicating they have any more info. But they know much more, are playing close to the vest I believe, and have someone in mind. And I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn it is a family member AND a SO... :rolleyes:
JMO
:parrot:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 11:57 AM
THANK YOU for talking about the van and blankets. I'm wondering if this is key to the investigation.

Misty's brother Tommy and sister-in-law Lindsy who live on Tyler (around the block from Ron's) have a minivan. A picture of it is on Lindsy's myspace (at least it was yesterday) where she says it is her new van. (See the post I made about this yesterday, with link).

I am curious to know if this is the van that Misty was talking about in her interview. Tommy and his young sons were at the house in the afternoon before Haleigh went missing. Did he walk over? Did he drive over with the van?

Was the blanket in Tommy and Lindsy's van and did LE take Lindsy and Tommy's van?

I'm dying to know this. I'm tempted to email some reporters to ask them if they see the van in the neighborhood. Or is it missing?


And Tommy would be my bet as to who helped her if she needed it!!!!

MeoW333
02-15-2009, 11:57 AM
Btw if I ever arrived or awakened to a missing child, either my own or anyone else's--as others have said, I, too would be yelling frantically (probably more like screaming hysterically) out into the night--not sitting on a step. I cannot wrap my mind around the reaction by either gf or dad. Also when I first read Misty's account of removing blanket from window it made sense since one had been soiled and so needed laundering... but she reports that she covered Haleigh w a sheet...? :waitasec:
In addition, from beginning I've posted the timing of gf's call to dad seemed a bit too coincidental (but made allowances for a waking routine when dad arrives each nite as others continue to suggest). But it has also always struck me as strange that dad did not make 911 call. Tho this too could have innocent explanation (dad's too angry and obviously not calm enough to provide answers calmly; or blames gf and so demands it be she who reports etc) Lastly, agree totally the gf has NOT provided sufficient detail about the events of this day--at least not to media nor is LE indicating they have any more info. But they know much more, are playing close to the vest I believe, and have someone in mind. And I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn it is a family member AND a SO... :rolleyes:
JMO
:parrot:


I think the father was running around the trailer checking while Misty was on the phone with 911 you can hear him in the background, his voice gets closer and farther away..

Never4GetCaylee
02-15-2009, 11:58 AM
Just read a few posts back that Misty was homeless when she got together with Ron? I missed that somehow. With so much family around I was surprised to read that. :confused:

I just watched the blanket video again and Misty just seems more and more suspicous to me, I agree she can remind you of Susan Smith at times. The thing that throws me off though is that I can't see her being able getting away with anything for this long, no matter what "anything" might be, just a made up about getting up to go to the bathroom, opening the backdoor, which bed she slept in, going out for awhile while the kids were sleeping or hurting Haleigh.

ElizaAvalon
02-15-2009, 11:58 AM
uuugh, they decorate with liquor bottles and pot leaves. Lovely

I believe that photo is taken at Chelsea's sister Sarah's apartment or bedroom.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:00 PM
SS not sure you got to read my post to you on the other thread.In regards to the wells in Fl......
Most places have a small shed people call them pump houses they are above ground / inside they have the pumps for there wells. The wells have the pipe sticking out of the ground then the pump is attached.
From the pictures of there place & the shed in such close proximity to the house that is what I took it to be. They are not underground as ours are here.Thanks, Cheko!! I did miss it. Sorry and thanks for bringing it back up! So there isn't a way for her to be tossed in? That is a relief.

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 12:00 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3313626&postcount=71

A week or so ago in FL they had freezing weather (like low 20s :eek:). Since it's warm now, they didn't need to cover window with blanket.

I'm sooooooo curious about the repairman.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:00 PM
if it was a toddler bed/crib mattress it would have been covered in plastic and would have been an easy clean-up. this may also explain why Haleigh slept by herself. if she was prone to accidents, it would make sense to have her sleep on this type of mattress.

But we don't know that Haleigh slept by herself....there is mass confusion about sleeping arangements. And her mom's mom says she does not wet the bed, she would know....they have Haleigh every two weeks. :waitasec:

kellync
02-15-2009, 12:01 PM
I believe that photo is taken at Chelsea's sister Sarah's apartment or bedroom.
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Lisabet
02-15-2009, 12:01 PM
Well I am in the "Not sure there was really pee camp". Could have been something else she was getting rid of. And iirc...MGM said she did not wet the bed, hadn't in a couple of years.

Is it possible that because we have accepted the notion that a young mother killed her small daughter in Orlando we are better able to suspect Misty is this situation? To me (and I'm sorry to be so blunt) Misty just seems very ignorant. Anything could have happened and she wouldn't have it clear in her mind.

Kat
02-15-2009, 12:01 PM
That makes sense he was blocking the light, but let me get this straight in my head...

Haleigh's blanket had pee. She took the one off the window to use, but instead washed it, too? Or the blanket on the window smelled like pee? Oh, Gosh...I need more coffee and a softer keyboard. :waitasec:

Okay again I'm going to get myself made fun of! :)

Back when we first got married we had nothing. I tacked sheets up at the window until I could sew them up as curtains for the kids room (we were a blended family, I got two children when I married Big Daddy:))

I worked at a waitress and bartender at night. I put a blanket up on my window so that when the kids took a nap during the day I could lay down and it would be dark enough for me to sleep too.

How long had they had that blanket up on that window? Was it dusty? Did they both smoke in the home? If so, I would've washed it too before I lay down with it. Just my two cents.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:01 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3313626&postcount=71

A week or so ago in FL they had freezing weather (like low 20s :eek:). Since it's warm now, they didn't need to cover window with blanket.

I'm sooooooo curious about the repairman.

My take on the blanket on the window was that they were using it as a curtain.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 12:03 PM
Btw if I ever arrived or awakened to a missing child, either my own or anyone else's--as others have said, I, too would be yelling frantically (probably more like screaming hysterically) out into the night--not sitting on a step. For the life of me I just cannot wrap my mind around the reactions by either gf or dad. Also when I first read Misty's account of removing blanket from window it made sense since one had been soiled and so needed laundering... but she reports that she covered Haleigh w a sheet...? :waitasec:
In addition, from beginning I've posted the timing of gf's call to dad seemed a bit too coincidental (made allowances tho for a waking routine when dad arrives each nite as others continue to support). But it has also always struck me as strange that dad did not make 911 call. Tho this too could have innocent explanation (dad's too angry and not calm enough to provide answers calmly; or blames gf and so demands it be she who reports etc) Lastly, agree totally the gf has NOT provided sufficient detail about the events of this day--at least not to media nor is LE indicating they have any more info. But they know much more, are playing close to the vest I believe, and have someone in mind. And I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn it is a family member AND a SO... :rolleyes:
JMO
:parrot:


Bolded by me.
We went back last night and listened to the interview for clarification. The father's words are something like "as I pulled up she opened the door" or "was coming out of the door". He didn't say sitting on the step, which actually is what I thought but I was wrong.

hornswoggled
02-15-2009, 12:03 PM
Ohhhhh Myyyyy.

We need separate threads.
Repairman thread.
911 call thread.
MC body language thread.

(this is a plea to the mods - actually whining to mods now)

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:04 PM
Is it possible that because we have accepted the notion that a young mother killed her small daughter in Orlando we are better able to suspect Misty is this situation? To me (and I'm sorry to be so blunt) Misty just seems very ignorant. Anything could have happened and she wouldn't have it clear in her mind.

No. Absolutely not! I think this way because of all her changing stories and the like. Newsflash....Moms killed their kids before Casey...and they will after Casey. This case has nothing to do with Casey. Parents are the first suspects when a child disappears for a reason.

FIND'HER
02-15-2009, 12:04 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_6c3e865802d34dce850904ccc3391976.jpg

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 12:05 PM
Good point. Probably waterproof.

It would still need to be wiped, ugg I can't imagine putting my kids to bed on a sheet or mattress they had pee'd on.

I know kid pee isn't as powerful as adult but it's the idea, you wouldn't put pissy clothes back on a kid just because it had dried. The older it gets the worse it smells.

Seahorseladydi
02-15-2009, 12:05 PM
I am only 1/2 way thru thread 17... so bear with me... (yes I read EVERY post! LOL)

Just thinking out loud here... LE is being VERY tight lipped right now and all of a sudden the family is not really speaking to media... I just got to thinking about Ronnie (dad of Haleigh) and GF (Misti) they have only been "dating" 5 months, lived in that home for 4 months... the 911 call got me thinking about the way Ronnie talked about Misti... has anyone thought MAYBE she was just a "live in babysitter" and "roll in the hay" for Ronnie? MAYBE he was ready to dump her.... MAYBE he is keeping her close because MAYBE she will spill the beans of what really happened.... I don't know.... but I do think Ronnie is being honest in all of this..... Misti however, is NOT!

Just my random thoughts and opinions

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 12:05 PM
That makes sense he was blocking the light, but let me get this straight in my head...

Haleigh's blanket had pee. She took the one off the window to use, but instead washed it, too? Or the blanket on the window smelled like pee? Oh, Gosh...I need more coffee and a softer keyboard. :waitasec:

The way I understood it, the blanket on the window smelled like pee...at least that's how she made it sound in the interview.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 12:05 PM
uuugh, they decorate with liquor bottles and pot leaves. Lovely

I'm a little bothered by the police tape.

Kat
02-15-2009, 12:06 PM
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_6c3e865802d34dce850904ccc3391976.jpg

Isn't that bio-mom's fiance?

obguthr
02-15-2009, 12:06 PM
The consensus seems to be that Misty was in the queen sized bed with Butterbean and Haleigh was in the toddler bed nearest the TV. Haleigh was under the blanket or sheet that had previously been on the window because her usual blanket had been peed on and had been washed. That same pee blanket was in a van that LE had seized. Misty's own statements were very contradictory, but this is probably the way she wanted the story told. Why it is relevant remains to be seen.

cajun
02-15-2009, 12:06 PM
O/T I know, forgive me.
when I wash blankets I take them to a coin laundry with a BIG machine. how does one wash a blanket at home? in the bathtub? they would overload a regular machine.

I wash mine in the washing machine. Depending on how big they are usually one or two at a time.

ElizaAvalon
02-15-2009, 12:07 PM
Photo of Tommy and Lindsy's van, swiped from Lindsy's myspace. Caption: I am getting so old...this is what I am driving!

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp304/ElizaAvalon/LindsyVan.jpg
date on bottom right says 8/11/2006

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:08 PM
The way I understood it, the blanket on the window smelled like pee...at least that's how she made it sound in the interview.

She was talking about 2 different blankets....Haleigh's that smelled like pee and another one that was hung over the window. She also mentions a third one that was in the van.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:08 PM
Okay again I'm going to get myself made fun of! :)

Back when we first got married we had nothing. I tacked sheets up at the window until I could sew them up as curtains for the kids room (we were a blended family, I got two children when I married Big Daddy:))

I worked at a waitress and bartender at night. I put a blanket up on my window so that when the kids took a nap during the day I could lay down and it would be dark enough for me to sleep too.

How long had they had that blanket up on that window? Was it dusty? Did they both smoke in the home? If so, I would've washed it too before I lay down with it. Just my two cents.LOL Big Daddy! (You are a Suth'n Belle, my dear! :blowkiss:)

But...she doesn't say she washed both blankets...does she? This is why I am so confused. She said she washed the one that smelled like pee. What time was it when she washed the darn blanket or blankets?!

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 12:08 PM
No. Absolutely not! I think this way because of all her changing stories and the like. Newsflash....Moms killed their kids before Casey...and they will after Casey. This case has nothing to do with Casey. Parents are the first suspects when a child disappears for a reason.Repairmen are suspicious too! Remember Elizabeth Smart :waitasec: (not sure about last name)...the one from Utah who was abducted by some freak that did some work around the house.

moonlighting
02-15-2009, 12:09 PM
Thanks, Ceeker and Kat!

Uh oh. I see another red flag there. (I guess I missed this interview before?)

Going into the "mom" thing was TMI. Too much explanation to bolster herself and she instantly talks about how they love her...not how much she loves them.

SS, I'm so glad to see everybody jumping on this. I saw the tape yesterday, and it bothered me all day.

Misty focused way too much time on giving an excuse for a missing blanket, way TMI. It's an important clue, IMO.

Also, near the end of the tape she said "and that's all I know", and goes into defending herself, and talking about how much the kids love HER.

Something WRONG here!

Her eyes were looking down and to the left MANY times. Also looking up part of the time.


At the least I think she was gone part of the time Ron was at work, but the whole blanket story is raising big red flags!

KaylynnCouture
02-15-2009, 12:09 PM
Isn't that bio-mom's fiance?

Yeah, it is. His name is Chad.

djk
02-15-2009, 12:09 PM
Btw if I ever arrived or awakened to a missing child, either my own or anyone else's--as others have said, I, too would be yelling frantically (probably more like screaming hysterically) out into the night--not sitting on a step. For the life of me I just cannot wrap my mind around the reactions by either gf or dad. Also when I first read Misty's account of removing blanket from window it made sense since one had been soiled and so needed laundering... but she reports that she covered Haleigh w a sheet...? :waitasec:
In addition, from beginning I've posted the timing of gf's call to dad seemed a bit too coincidental (made allowances tho for a waking routine when dad arrives each nite as others continue to support). But it has also always struck me as strange that dad did not make 911 call. Tho this too could have innocent explanation (dad's too angry and not calm enough to provide answers calmly; or blames gf and so demands it be she who reports etc) Lastly, agree totally the gf has NOT provided sufficient detail about the events of this day--at least not to media nor is LE indicating they have any more info. But they know much more, are playing close to the vest I believe, and have someone in mind. And I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn it is a family member AND a SO... :rolleyes:
JMO
:parrot:


some people might consider the dad a SO depending on the definition used. I thought it strange that according to dad that when he got home the gf said something like your back door is open and your daughter is gone. first, why the reference to daughter instead of Haleigh? second, under these circumstances, who would care about the back door? All that said I'm getting vibes from all the video that gf is a child like stoner and I tend to think she really was asleep, or passed out, during whatever happened to Haleigh, I'm getting vibes that the dad is trying a bunch of ways to deflect attention from himself. I do not think the dad could have done anything other than to arrange for what ever did happen, to happen. that is why I wondered about the polygraph, he seems real proud of himself that he passed "with flying colors".

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 12:09 PM
She was talking about 2 different blankets....Haleigh's that smelled like pee and another one that was hung over the window. She also mentions a third one that was in the van.

Well...that makes a little more sense...I guess. :waitasec:
Thanks. :blowkiss:

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 12:10 PM
Ohhhhh Myyyyy.

We need separate threads.
Repairman thread.
911 call thread.
MC body language thread.

(this is a plea to the mods - actually whining to mods now)Please DO NOT forget the Blanket thread! :chicken:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:11 PM
Repairmen are suspicious too! Remember Elizabeth Smart :waitasec: (not sure about last name)...the one from Utah who was abducted by some freak that did some work around the house.

Yes they are....and that is some posters theory. Mine is Misty had something to do with it. My point was I did not think that way because of Casey.:)

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 12:11 PM
Good Morning all. I just now had time to check in on your posts overnight. Read them all.

I like to sleep on things, so I turned Misty's account over and over in my head last night waiting for sleep.

I have nothing to support my thoughts as of now.

I don't believe Misty was in that house the whole time. I believe she did put the kiddos to bed at the time she said she did. But I don't think she was there the whole time.

I'm going to go back today and relisten to what she has to say in her interviews with the perspective of that she wasn't in the house. She doesn't strike me as someone that could come up with a well thought out coverup if she had commited the crime or had a hand in it.

She's young (whether you consider her still a child or a young adult) she's very young. I believe she stepped out for a while.

Just my two cents.


I also think she left once the kids were down. I think she propped open the back door to maybe hear the kids if they got up. Maybe they were not that far away ( they being her & a friend/friends.)
This young girl seems really afraid of her boyfriend.

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 12:12 PM
THANK YOU for talking about the van and blankets. I'm wondering if this is key to the investigation.

Misty's brother Tommy and sister-in-law Lindsy who live on Tyler (around the block from Ron's) have a minivan. A picture of it is on Lindsy's myspace (at least it was yesterday) where she says it is her new van. (See the post I made about this yesterday, with link).

I am curious to know if this is the van that Misty was talking about in her interview. Tommy and his young sons were at the house in the afternoon before Haleigh went missing. Did he walk over? Did he drive over with the van?

Was the blanket in Tommy and Lindsy's van and did LE take Lindsy and Tommy's van?

I'm dying to know this. I'm tempted to email some reporters to ask them if they see the van in the neighborhood. Or is it missing?

Just found my post from yesterday: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3310403#post3310403 contains link to picture of van and transcript of Misty's interview re: blankets.

Yeah and what she's saying still doesn't make any more sense than it did when she said it. Obviously what she was saying meant something to her, I just haven't been able to figure out what the heck she's trying to say.

ElizaAvalon
02-15-2009, 12:13 PM
Misty's interview:
I put her to bed in her blanket and my blanket. My blanket was in the van that they took. So we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that and her blanket. Her blanket, was - her blanket she had peed on the blanket the night before I guess and I was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee so I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with and she fell asleep and I come in there and put her blanket on her and then I lay down...

To me, it sounds like she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like pee but she's saying she also washed the blanket that was used as a curtain (?) on the window as well. So there were no blankets at bedtime, just a sheet.

Again, why go into all this about the blankets?

And forgive me for being repetitive but WHOSE VAN WAS TAKEN AND WHY WAS THE BLANKET IN THE VAN?

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 12:13 PM
DSapp is a SO.
AC man is another person.

Yes, someone please reinterate.

Did LE confirm there was an AC repairman at the residence the day she disapeared?

Is the AC repairman DSapp the SO?
Or this rumor? Thanks in advance

(bold mine) Very sorry to repeat, and I know most are focused on "blanket theory" right now but am still troubled by DLSapp. Will someone post link or explain if, how, or when it was established for certain that he, and AC repairman, are two different people? Did LE reveal his identity (or eliminate in some other way?) If so, I did not catch that. JMO
:confused:

TIA... anyone?

:parrot:

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 12:13 PM
Misty maybe young and naive, but growing up the way she did...she could be incredibly street smart.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:13 PM
SS, I'm so glad to see everybody jumping on this. I saw the tape yesterday, and it bothered me all day.

Misty focused way too much time on giving an excuse for a missing blanket, way TMI. It's an important clue, IMO.

Also, near the end of the tape she said "and that's all I know", and goes into defending herself, and talking about how much the kids love HER.

Something WRONG here!

Her eyes were looking down and to the left MANY times. Also looking up part of the time.


At the least I think she was gone part of the time Ron was at work, but the whole blanket story is raising big red flags!I do think you are right. I noticed her eyes and body language, too. Darn it. I wanted to believe she was just an innocent, young adult with stars in her eyes. (sigh)

I felt she was lying, but I kept thinking it was only about leaving or having someone over etc. This morning, I am faced with cover up of possible wrongdoing.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 12:14 PM
The reason Misty is on the top of my list, is because she was the last known person with Haleigh when she was accounted for as being alive. She is the prime suspect in my eyes til she is cleared. Period. Right?

What if it was the other way around, the mom was at work and the boyfriend was keeping the kids? Oh boy, we would be hot on his behind. Rightfully so.

We have an indicator here for abuse, bedwetting, age of children and caretaker, circumstances are prime for abuse. Wasn't Misty abused? Probably sexually abused? Women molest just like men. Not to mention a jealousy factor. Daddy's little girl versus the dumb f'ing girlfriend which could cause animosity in Misty's heart.

I know I would be mad as fire if I took care of a man's kids, he showed me no appreciation, called me abusive names, and possibly put the daughter before her, I would be mad. But of course I wouldn't be mad with the children. I would be with the boyfriend for not treating me correctly in the situation in front of the children.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 12:14 PM
LOL Big Daddy! (You are a Suth'n Belle, my dear! :blowkiss:)

But...she doesn't say she washed both blankets...does she? This is why I am so confused. She said she washed the one that smelled like pee. What time was it when she washed the darn blanket or blankets?!

i believe there were 3 blankets. she washed two of them around 8 when she put the kids to bed. misty's blanket was apparently in a van which seems strange to me so she took down the one from the window to use for herself, but it needed to be washed also. this is misty's story atleast.....

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:17 PM
Misty maybe young and naive, but growing up the way she did...she could be incredibly street smart.


Thank-You. I was trying to figure out away to say that.

hornswoggled
02-15-2009, 12:17 PM
I also think she left once the kids were down. I think she propped open the back door to maybe hear the kids if they got up. Maybe they were not that far away ( they being her & a friend/friends.)
This young girl seems really afraid of her boyfriend.

I believe from what I can hear on the 911 call, that she is afraid also. The second part of the 911 call is when she sounds the most frightened. She is answering in a quick, short "yes" as though someone is twisting her arm or otherwise threatening her. RC also said at the beginning of the second part of the call something to the effect "how the f*** can you let someone take my child b****?

Lisabet
02-15-2009, 12:18 PM
No. Absolutely not! I think this way because of all her changing stories and the like. Newsflash....Moms killed their kids before Casey...and they will after Casey. This case has nothing to do with Casey. Parents are the first suspects when a child disappears for a reason.

And I thought I was being blunt! You're right, of course. It's just that my mind is overloaded after the Caylee tragedy, and a person can believe only so much and still maintain some faith in humanity.

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 12:20 PM
I also think she left once the kids were down. I think she propped open the back door to maybe hear the kids if they got up. Maybe they were not that far away ( they being her & a friend/friends.)
This young girl seems really afraid of her boyfriend.Interesting theories! It would explain the kitchen light that was on. The one Misty claims was off when she went to bed, but on when she got up.

She could have forgotten and left it on.
She could have left it on to go visit.
Haleigh could have heard something and turned it on when she got up.
I doubt a perp would turn it on though.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:20 PM
And I thought I was being blunt! You're right, of course. It's just that my mind is overloaded after the Caylee tragedy, and a person can believe only so much and still maintain some faith in humanity.

:blowkiss: I'm from Texas blunt is my speciality! It's easy to get overloaded. But look at all the happy children around. Thank-God....this is only a small part of society.

tfrohning
02-15-2009, 12:20 PM
I'm going to leave the thread for now. Seven pages of peed blanket... sheesh!
Now we assume that Misty killed Haleigh and was hiding evidence??
This ain't sleuthing.... this is pure speculation and it's getting pretty sick. JMO.
:clap: I agree txLady JMO too

Kat
02-15-2009, 12:21 PM
LOL Big Daddy! (You are a Suth'n Belle, my dear! :blowkiss:)

But...she doesn't say she washed both blankets...does she? This is why I am so confused. She said she washed the one that smelled like pee. What time was it when she washed the darn blanket or blankets?!

Yes I love my Big Daddy! When I get to have grandchildren I hope I'll be known as Big Mama too :D. :blowkiss: SS, I am what I am and I just can't (pronounced cain't) be anything but that.

Okay I went back and relistened to Misty in the video.

Misty: I put her to bed ~ and her blanket and my blanket~ my blanket was in the van that they took~so we had a blanket hanging on the window~and I had to wash that~and her blanket , and her blanket was~she had peed on her blanket the night before I guess~ and I was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee~ so I washed the blanket~ so and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with~and I went~ I come in there and put a blanket on her and then I laid down.

She also talks a bit about the layout of the trailer later on in that interview, she describes a hallway and the washing machine.

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 12:22 PM
The consensus seems to be that Misty was in the queen sized bed with Butterbean and Haleigh was in the toddler bed nearest the TV. Haleigh was under the blanket or sheet that had previously been on the window because her usual blanket had been peed on and had been washed. That same pee blanket was in a van that LE had seized. Misty's own statements were very contradictory, but this is probably the way she wanted the story told. Why it is relevant remains to be seen.

That sounds good to me...I think...:waitasec:Yes, sounds right...it may have been 3?


Gonna go take a break...poor babies!

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:22 PM
I'm going to leave the thread for now. Seven pages of peed blanket... sheesh!
Now we assume that Misty killed Haleigh and was hiding evidence??
This ain't sleuthing.... this is pure speculation and it's getting pretty sick. JMO.There are little facts coming out in this case yet other than Haleigh is missing and the world is suspect. Speculation is the only thing we have to go from watching the interviews of the immediate family/gf and other family members.

It IS sleuthing and it is not sick. It is a fact that Misty said these things as we can see her say them on the video. We are trying to figure out her movements prior to when Haleigh goes missing because it is important.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 12:23 PM
Please DO NOT forget the Blanket thread! :chicken:
And the Fireplace smoke stack vent thread, I want to start that one pleaze.

I'm going to leave the thread for now. Seven pages of peed blanket... sheesh!
Now we assume that Misty killed Haleigh and was hiding evidence??
This ain't sleuthing.... this is pure speculation and it's getting pretty sick. JMO.

Darling, in order to believe Misty may have done something to Haleigh, something would have to have set her off. I can't possibly see a premeditated killing for just the thrill of it. When children are killed in the home, there's stressors, indicators, and bed wetting is one of the classic symptons of child abuse and cause of death for a young child under the age of five statistically speaking. These statistics are facts and don't lie, that's why I'm so interested in the bed wetting. I went to college for three years specializing in early childhood development and zeroing in on abuse. I have extensive knowledge of the effects bedwetting can have on the home, child and caretakers.

I know it may sound irrelavant, but motive is important here. Misty brought this up and made a point of it. Granted, may be nothing to it, but we're missing a blanket, a child and the last known person to see and be with the child is making this an issue/point.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 12:24 PM
i doubt a perp would want to turn on a light, but if it was pitch dark in the trailer then turning on a light would be better than stumbling around in the dark. depending on the layout of the trailer, would the kitchen light just barely light up the bedroom as to hopefully not awaken someone but enough to see where things were? is there a kitchen lightswitch near the back door?

ElizaAvalon
02-15-2009, 12:25 PM
From the last thread:

Originally Posted by momtective View Post
Misty has 2 brothers Timothy & Tommy. Tommy is married to Lindsy and they live behind the Cummings home. I think Guy Sapp is Lindsy's father. Guy Sapp is a property owner in Satsuma and according to Lindsy's myspace http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin he is very successful and makes alot of money...plus he is a very nice guy!!!
Donald Sapp could be Lindsy's brother, cousin or Uncle.

I posted something about Guy Sapp yesterday.

He is/was a Flagler County Property Appraiser. He's 78 years old.

Lindsy's maiden name is Collins.

Tommy and Lindsy's home is not behind the Cumming's home. It is behind and across 2 streets - around the corner. Putnam County property records show exact locations (again, I posted a link yesterday).

We need threads to keep this stuff organized. I, for one, am very frustrated. It's impossible to read every post. Grrr...

BeavisMom62
02-15-2009, 12:25 PM
It was from her first interview, n'est-ce pas? The one where she was sitting with the biscuit lady?

Ok, I've spent three days trying to get caught up and its just impossible. I got to bed, wake up and there are three more threads. Obguthr! You just had to use that pic as your avatar, huh? Cracks me up! :clap:

tfrohning
02-15-2009, 12:26 PM
There are little facts coming out in this case yet other than Haleigh is missing and the world is suspect. Speculation is the only thing we have to go from watching the interviews of the immediate family/gf and other family members.

It IS sleuthing and it is not sick. It is a fact that Misty said these things as we can see her say them on the video. We are trying to figure out her movements prior to when Haleigh goes missing because it is important.

Than it time for Doc dump and cell pings!!

Tonia
02-15-2009, 12:28 PM
I take it there isn't anything new today.

Seahorseladydi
02-15-2009, 12:28 PM
Going to work.....

Hope that Sweet Haleigh is brought home by the time I get home....

Please God, Bring our sweet Haleigh home today!

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:29 PM
OK Got it now! (Coffee must be working to get the brain going slowly...maybe I should just go straight to happy hour instead. LOL)

Thanks for explaining it again to me, Guys!

She is talking about three different happenings together and out of order! Duh!

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 12:30 PM
I think the father was running around the trailer checking while Misty was on the phone with 911 you can hear him in the background, his voice gets closer and farther away..

No offense, but I think I'd still be running around...

Ohhhhh Myyyyy.

We need separate threads.
Repairman thread.
911 call thread.
MC body language thread.

(this is a plea to the mods - actually whining to mods now)

... and a pee thread 2 I think, oh dear, blanket thing very baffling.

It really does give you pause. He just out in Nov? It takes a really sick ****** to mess with a little kid. I wish to God they would NEVER EVER let them out of jail. Look how many less victims there would be. Chances are, he, like others, offended for a very long time before being caught.

(bold mine) LeLe... ITA, and 44 SO's doesn't equal 44 victims, as some have suggested, each usually has multiple convictions--and the toll of undetected crimes is exponential. Btw maybe you can please tell me if LE cleared or at least corroborated AC guy was there on actual work order? JMO

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu103/peppermint09_2009/l_6c3e865802d34dce850904ccc3391976.jpg

No comment :( JMO

tfrohning
02-15-2009, 12:31 PM
I am not in to blanket theory. But i remeber it in the very beginning that GF said that there was blanket and sheet on the ground. I will have to go look for that.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:31 PM
Than it time for Doc dump and cell pings!!We won't get those until they have a suspect in custody and are filing paperwork with the clerk's office. Until then, everything is kept under "ongoing investigation" status.

daisy7
02-15-2009, 12:33 PM
Thanks, Eliza, for the transcript about the blanket. When I originally saw the interview, I interpreted the van to be one that the Dad was using to go to work and that "they" were LE. And, that since Misty was gonna wash one blanket, she just added the one from the window to the load.

RE, the peeing thing, my 6 year old DS still has occasional accidents at night. I don't necessarily know cuz when I wake him up, he gets dressed himself and puts his jammies and old underwear in the hamper, and (somewhat) makes his bed. Several times, I have never smelled pee in the morning, but only when I put him to bed. Also, he sleeps like a mummy in his blanket, so the pee usually doesn't get on his sheets. Usually, I don't have to wash the sheets, just his blanket (comforter) and give him a spare for the night.

Indigo
02-15-2009, 12:36 PM
Who would like to help me sort out the mystery of the blankets? I think it may connect with the inconsistent statements about which bed everyone was sleeping in that night. I've color coded the separate blankets Misty makes reference to. There seem to be three blankets in question, along with a "little sheet" that Misty eventually ends up covering Hayleigh with.

Here, again, is Misty's account of the blankets. This is what I hear:


"Ok.. I put her to bed about, you know 8:00 'cause that's her bedtime--she has school. I put her to bed and... (pause) Her blanket and my blanket...my blanket was in the van that they took, so we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that-- and her blanket--her blanket was--was she had peed on her blanket the night before, I guess, and I was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee. So I washed her blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with (voice breaks) and she fell asleep and I went--come in there and put her blanket on her and then I laid down."



Blanket 1: Her (Hayleigh's) blanket - needed to be washed because "she had peed on" it.


Blanket 2: A blanket that was hanging on the window, that "had to be washed."


Blanket 3: My (Misty's) blanket - Was in "the van that they took."



Observations: It seems that two of the blankets needed to be washed--the blanket taken down from the window and Hayleigh's blanket. Misty's blanket was not available due to being "in the van." There are two beds mentioned in the account. But at this point it looks like there were no blankets available for any of the beds.

BeavisMom62
02-15-2009, 12:36 PM
I'm going to open myself to ridicule possibly here but as I've said before I have raised 7 kids (five my own, 2 by marriage) and I learned a long time ago sometimes ya gotta do the "sniff test".

It becomes almost a habit when you put little ones to bed. Sniff the bed real quick to make sure you didn't miss pee-pee. Of course as they grow older (with my boys) I had to start sniffing various things such as their hair and skin after they *claimed* they had bathed.

Just sayin...

You're a SNIFFER! :crazy:

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 12:36 PM
Ceeker Said:

I totally agree! This man has a job and he cared enough to fight a custody battle when he sensed the mother wasn't able to take care of his children. Something a lot of men wouldn't bother to do. He's been careful not to trash the bio mom, which I find admirable considering their mudslinging in his direction. He's got a lot of rough edges, but I'm willing to not condemn someone just because they don't live or act like me.

He didn't start a custody battle with her, when she took him to court to prove paternity and get child support he turned the tables on her. Now why did she have to take him to court if he was such a fine upstanding father who supported his kids?

Before you go handing out any medals to dad please read the docs and the sworn statement from Crystal's dad. It is always possible that he took custody of the kids just so mom didn't have it and to get out of paying child support and to collect child support from mom.

It does happen. My ex who never paid a bit of attention to caring for our kids and who was verbally abusive, threatened me with the same thing. Only difference was I wasn't afraid of him. I stood up to him in court. I won and very shortly after, he quite his job to get out of paying child support and stopped seeing his kids all together.

I'm not saying that is what happened here, I'm just trying to keep an open mind to all possibilities.

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 12:39 PM
Who would like to help me sort out the mystery of the blankets? I think it may connect with the inconsistent statements about which bed everyone was sleeping in that night. I've color coded the separate blankets Misty makes reference to. There seem to be three blankets in question, along with a "little sheet" that Misty eventually ends up covering Hayleigh with.

Here, again, is Misty's account of the blankets. This is what I hear:




Blanket 1: Her (Hayleigh's) blanket - needed to be washed because "she had peed on" it.


Blanket 2: A blanket that was hanging on the window, that "had to be washed."


Blanket 3: My (Misty's) blanket - Was in "the van that they took."



Observations: It seems that two of the blankets needed to be washed--the blanket taken down from the window and Hayleigh's blanket. Misty's blanket was not available due to being "in the van." There are two beds mentioned in the account. But at this point it looks like there were no blankets available for any of the beds.

Poor JR or does he have his own blanket?

Silk
02-15-2009, 12:40 PM
I just watch a special on SSmith i think it was like two weeks.


Nine days

kellync
02-15-2009, 12:40 PM
Thank-You. I was trying to figure out away to say that.
yeah, ya think? She has been around adults who have records, (sorry for those who dont like this being brought up, but it is true, and public record) and everyone around her seems so dysfunctional. Who knows whats going on in that mind of hers. I hope she is completely innocent, but she isnt acting like it, I think the police know it, but there are so many "characters" in this whole family, there is a lot of muck to wade through. With the records some of the family has, there has to be alot to eliminate, and it takes time. I wouldnt be surprised if it were an uncle cousin, etc....but Id like clarification on Mistys storIES.

cheko1
02-15-2009, 12:40 PM
OT: No worries. I have a hard head. LOL (now sporting a "keyboard" tat on my forehead tho.)

I also picked up on the fact in the blanket interview...
Misty claimed she awoke about 3 & had she awoke she wouldn't of left THEM take her...........
then she stated: The van that THEY took had her blankert in it!

She uses the plural form.......maybe its just a figure of speech! THEM & THEY!

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 12:42 PM
I am not in to blanket theory. But i remeber it in the very beginning that GF said that there was blanket and sheet on the ground. I will have to go look for that.

On the ground? What does this mean? I've missed this.

The reason a blanket is so important is because of the possible use to dispose of a body. Most victims killed and taken out of the home, which by the way is done by someone they know for a stranger doesn't remove bodies from a scene. The victims are wrapped in something, a shower curtain, blanket, sheet, rug something to keep fluids from getting on stuff. Plus easier to transport a dead body that way.

With Misty bringing up a blanket missing from the home, that could be important.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
I also picked up on the fact in the blanket interview...
Misty claimed she awoke about 3 & had she awoke she wouldn't of left THEM take her...........
then she stated: The van that THEY took had her blankert in it!

She uses the plural form.......maybe its just a figure of speech! THEM & THEY!

Yes, but it's still people she is referring to...who took what van...lol

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
Something's been bothering me... I keep asking myself, with Misty seeming so "fishy" why the turnabout by the Bio Mom and her mother. It seems so odd given the circumstances. Then it hit me. They had "Jrs." Friday nite. I'm sure they grilled him (as I would) and maybe he said something that made them think Misty wasn't involved. Just a random thought while doing dishes. Still don't know what I think!

ElizaAvalon
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
Who would like to help me sort out the mystery of the blankets? I think it may connect with the inconsistent statements about which bed everyone was sleeping in that night. I've color coded the separate blankets Misty makes reference to. There seem to be three blankets in question, along with a "little sheet" that Misty eventually ends up covering Hayleigh with.

Here, again, is Misty's account of the blankets. This is what I hear:




Blanket 1: Her (Hayleigh's) blanket - needed to be washed because "she had peed on" it.


Blanket 2: A blanket that was hanging on the window, that "had to be washed."


Blanket 3: My (Misty's) blanket - Was in "the van that they took."



Observations: It seems that two of the blankets needed to be washed--the blanket taken down from the window and Hayleigh's blanket. Misty's blanket was not available due to being "in the van." There are two beds mentioned in the account. But at this point it looks like there were no blankets available for any of the beds.

Agree there are 3 blankets.

I don't believe the number of beds can be determined from this interview.

accordn2me
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
i doubt a perp would want to turn on a light, but if it was pitch dark in the trailer then turning on a light would be better than stumbling around in the dark. depending on the layout of the trailer, would the kitchen light just barely light up the bedroom as to hopefully not awaken someone but enough to see where things were? is there a kitchen lightswitch near the back door?IDK. IIRC, Misty states the backdoor is next to where she was washing clothes.

I wonder how much light were talking about here? An overhead light temporarily blinds you when it's very dark. A light in the ovenhood wouldn't be so stunning. I'm thinking since there were two children in the home, presumably potty trained, you would have nightlights on in case they got up to use the bathroom.

If the repairman was in the home that day, he would know the trailer layout and location of the kid's room(s). And wouldn't need much light. Anyone know if he's been cleared, or even if he exists? :confused:

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
OK...I am making my plea to the higher ups with the ability to give us a subforum for this mess. I realize little Adji doesn't have his own forum, but the truth is there is not enough information coming out in his case to warrant his own right now. This case is quickly becoming a case where it could play out maybe not as large as Caylee's, but it is drawing so much interest that it is already in need of being spread out, imo. (18 threads on Day 6!!)

:bowdown: Please! Please! Please! Reconsider! :gomods: :help: :HBwhiteflag: :crosseyed:

Kat
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
On the ground? What does this mean? I've missed this.

The reason a blanket is so important is because of the possible use to dispose of a body. Most victims killed and taken out of the home, which by the way is done by someone they know for a stranger doesn't remove bodies from a scene. The victims are wrapped in something, a shower curtain, blanket, sheet, rug something to keep fluids from getting on stuff. Plus easier to transport a dead body that way.

With Misty bringing up a blanket missing from the home, that could be important.

Kool Look I think the reference to the blanket/sheet on the ground came from the earliest media reports. Since then we have learned that LE pulled blanket/sheets from Haleigh outside the house for the dogs to get a scent to track.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:45 PM
Something's been bothering me... I keep asking myself, with Misty seeming so "fishy" why the turnabout by the Bio Mom and her mother. It seems so odd given the circumstances. Then it hit me. They had "Jrs." Friday nite. I'm sure they grilled him (as I would) and maybe he said something that made them think Misty wasn't involved. Just a random thought while doing dishes. Still don't know what I think!

My thought was they are trying to butter her up so she will talk to them....to see what they can get out of her....but I may be way off. Mainly because of the GM's I want to tell her face to face remark.

Jolynna
02-15-2009, 12:45 PM
On the ground? What does this mean? I've missed this.

The reason a blanket is so important is because of the possible use to dispose of a body. Most victims killed and taken out of the home, which by the way is done by someone they know for a stranger doesn't remove bodies from a scene. The victims are wrapped in something, a shower curtain, blanket, sheet, rug something to keep fluids from getting on stuff. Plus easier to transport a dead body that way.

With Misty bringing up a blanket missing from the home, that could be important.

I agree.

The "blanket interview" set off bells for me.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 12:45 PM
the blankets on the ground had something to do with the dogs sniffing them outside so they wouldn't be smelling other scents. some criticized LE for throwing the blankets on the ground and possible destoying evidence.

kellync
02-15-2009, 12:46 PM
My thought was they are trying to butter her up so she will talk to them....to see what they can get out of her....but I may be way off. Mainly because of the GM's I want to tell her face to face remark.
smart thinking

cajun
02-15-2009, 12:47 PM
Well I am in the "Not sure there was really pee camp". Could have been something else she was getting rid of. And iirc...MGM said she did not wet the bed, hadn't in a couple of years.

Yea but how often did she really see the kids to know? Crystal got them every couple of weeks Frid. evening to sometime Sunday unless they weren't staying at Crystals and gma really had them.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 12:48 PM
AC man does exist and LE confirmed he was "cleared". We don't know if he was there in an official capacity or if he was there with the brother, imo. I have not seen anything where she says he was working on the unit, but she puts him there during the time the brother and nephews stopped by to visit. (If I even have this one straight!)

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:48 PM
Yea but how often did she really see the kids to know? Crystal got them every couple of weeks Frid. evening to sometime Sunday unless they weren't staying at Crystals and gma really had them.

Well either way I am guessing when Misty made that statement it was discussed...and they knew it to be wrong and said so. :waitasec:

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 12:49 PM
Ceeker Said:

I totally agree! This man has a job and he cared enough to fight a custody battle when he sensed the mother wasn't able to take care of his children. Something a lot of men wouldn't bother to do. He's been careful not to trash the bio mom, which I find admirable considering their mudslinging in his direction. He's got a lot of rough edges, but I'm willing to not condemn someone just because they don't live or act like me.

He didn't start a custody battle with her, when she took him to court to prove paternity and get child support he turned the tables on her. Now why did she have to take him to court if he was such a fine upstanding father who supported his kids?

Before you go handing out any medals to dad please read the docs and the sworn statement from Crystal's dad. It is always possible that he took custody of the kids just so mom didn't have it and to get out of paying child support and to collect child support from mom.

It does happen. My ex who never paid a bit of attention to caring for our kids and who was verbally abusive, threatened me with the same thing. Only difference was I wasn't afraid of him. I stood up to him in court. I won and very shortly after, he quite his job to get out of paying child support and stopped seeing his kids all together.

I'm not saying that is what happened here, I'm just trying to keep an open mind to all possibilities.

Yes an open mind is always a good thing... However I was going by what the Bio Mom said on Nancy Grace as well as all the threads/documents I've read. Dad picked them up "one weekend", didn't bring them back, and immediately filed for temporary custody, at, if I remember correctly, the exact same time she was accused in court docs of doing "something" to them. I can't remember the exact wording but I tended to believe it since Courts usually don't like it when a parent doesn't return a child at the designated time.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 12:50 PM
Yea but how often did she really see the kids to know? Crystal got them every couple of weeks Frid. evening to sometime Sunday unless they weren't staying at Crystals and gma really had them.

i think mom and gma might live together.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 12:51 PM
AC man does exist and LE confirmed he was "cleared". We don't know if he was there in an official capacity or if he was there with the brother, imo. I have not seen anything where she says he was working on the unit, but she puts him there during the time the brother and nephews stopped by to visit. (If I even have this one straight!)

yeah, i wonder if she was nervous about being there alone with repairman so she had her brother come over or if it was just a coincidence.

doogiesgirl
02-15-2009, 12:51 PM
I can wash a queen size comforter in my washer..I can't add in sheets or anything else with it, but I can wash one.

Me too. I think lots of parents buy the large capacity washers(you can wash lots of jeans all at once!) and they are large, esp. when compared to regular size capacity. My mom has the regular size and no, one could definately not wash a good size blanket or comforter in it

Kat
02-15-2009, 12:52 PM
I have a thought and I'm just going to put it here as I ramble.

As I said before I don't think Misty was in that house all night, I don't have anything to support it though.

She gives detail about the blankets, then she goes into detail about when she found Haleigh missing. But there is a void there in details about what happened in between. Yes I know she says she was sleeping but the skip in info bothers me.

Initially I thought, well she must have gone out to see some friends. I'm not so sure, and here's the reason why...her friends would have said something by now. Even if she and her friends were doing something like drinking and smoking weed and such, I really believe that they would've stepped up to the plate and told LE. Because I think she stayed in the neighborhood.

I'm starting to lean to the fact that maybe she had a lover. She is meeting this man while Daddy is at work. He comes to her after the kids have gone to bed. She sneaks out to be with him.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 12:52 PM
My thought was they are trying to butter her up so she will talk to them....to see what they can get out of her....but I may be way off. Mainly because of the GM's I want to tell her face to face remark.

I have to say I wondered that also. But when I saw the picture of them at the vigil it seemed like some "real" healing went on.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/cmillskerr/Picture18-2.png

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 12:54 PM
I have a thought and I'm just going to put it here as I ramble.

As I said before I don't think Misty was in that house all night, I don't have anything to support it though.

She gives detail about the blankets, then she goes into detail about when she found Haleigh missing. But there is a void there in details about what happened in between. Yes I know she says she was sleeping but the skip in info bothers me.

Initially I thought, well she must have gone out to see some friends. I'm not so sure, and here's the reason why...her friends would have said something by now. Even if she and her friends were doing something like drinking and smoking weed and such, I really believe that they would've stepped up to the plate and told LE. Because I think she stayed in the neighborhood.

I'm starting to lean to the fact that maybe she had a lover. She is meeting this man while Daddy is at work. He comes to her after the kids have gone to bed. She sneaks out to be with him.

I wondered if Haleigh might have caught them....and they knew she would talk.

passionflower
02-15-2009, 12:54 PM
SS, I'm so glad to see everybody jumping on this. I saw the tape yesterday, and it bothered me all day.

Misty focused way too much time on giving an excuse for a missing blanket, way TMI. It's an important clue, IMO.

Also, near the end of the tape she said "and that's all I know", and goes into defending herself, and talking about how much the kids love HER.

Something WRONG here!

Her eyes were looking down and to the left MANY times. Also looking up part of the time.


At the least I think she was gone part of the time Ron was at work, but the whole blanket story is raising big red flags!

as far as Misty loving kids and kids loving her..........
well I can see even the best of kids when mad saying..............
you are not my mom and I won't do it!
4-5 months bonding yet?
Did they date awhile before Ron and GF moved in together?
Was the bio mom, might of said 'gf is not your mom, don't listen to her?
Why at the age of 5 did Haleigh START peeing bed???
Was she being molested the last few months before this???

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 12:54 PM
Yes an open mind is always a good thing... However I was going by what the Bio Mom said on Nancy Grace as well as all the threads/documents I've read. Dad picked them up "one weekend", didn't bring them back, and immediately filed for temporary custody, at, if I remember correctly, the exact same time she was accused in court docs of doing "something" to them. I can't remember the exact wording but I tended to believe it since Courts usually don't like it when a parent doesn't return a child at the designated time.

I was under the impression there was no custody order in place at the time? Just the agreement between the parents.

pirate
02-15-2009, 12:54 PM
Yes I love my Big Daddy! When I get to have grandchildren I hope I'll be known as Big Mama too :D. :blowkiss: SS, I am what I am and I just can't (pronounced cain't) be anything but that.

Okay I went back and relistened to Misty in the video.

Misty: I put her to bed ~ and her blanket and my blanket~ my blanket was in the van that they took~so we had a blanket hanging on the window~and I had to wash that~and her blanket , and her blanket was~she had peed on her blanket the night before I guess~ and I was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee~ so I washed the blanket~ so and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with~and I went~ I come in there and put a blanket on her and then I laid down.

She also talks a bit about the layout of the trailer later on in that interview, she describes a hallway and the washing machine.

All the questions about Misty washing a blanket- here's a possibility.

We saw photos of her mother's home (biscuit lady) and it appeared to be impeccably clean.

Is it possible that although Misty was obviously raised without alot of material things her mother did teach her to be clean? That the thought of making anyone sleep on a blanket that had been hanging on a window was just dirty and disgusting?

It would not surprise me at all- especially since her mother appears to keep a very clean home.

Kat
02-15-2009, 12:54 PM
Oops hit post too soon. Now if she's meeting a lover, that man isn't going to say, because Daddy has a gun and he might use it, not because this man is messing with his woman but because while he was messing with his woman his child went missing. Displaced anger can get somebody killed.