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02-15-2009, 07:08 PM
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FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79505)
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tehcloser
02-15-2009, 07:13 PM
I some how think there is going to be alot of people moving from there. There is either a so living in almost every house...or just moved from there. It's nutz. And apparently they all tie in with this family or the houses they live in.

panthera
02-15-2009, 07:15 PM
The RSO whose address was given as Haleigh's house (from the last page of the closed thread) ~ has LE tracked him down?

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 07:15 PM
When I searched James Josehp Lane on the Florida SO Registry, it shows him living in Tallahassee....perhaps the other source that found him at 202 Green Lane was outdated? Still....he could have had a key.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

curiositycat
02-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Maybe the landlord is someone who, for whatever reason, thinks that it's horrible that SO's are discriminated in housing. I heard a group a few years ago that was actually "feeling sorry" for these people and claiming that some had been falsely accused and were now unable to find housing.

:furious:

Salem
02-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Thanks I.Redhead for the info on Johns. I'm assuming that 212 Monroe is also a mobile home. I'll go google.

Salem

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:17 PM
WTH???:eek:

Yep, he must have moved from there recently because his pic was updated 11-14-08 and his registration updated 12-8-08
New addy 8525 Bannerman Bluff Dr. Tallahassee, FL 32312-8027, Leon COUNTY
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=9136
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:17 PM
I some how think there is going to be alot of people moving from there. There is either a so living in almost every house...or just moved from there. It's nutz. And apparently they all tie in with this family or the houses they live in.

I know..it is nuts. I know that the area is fairly rural, so a few I can understand...the type that just want the world to leave them alone since they did their time, but that many in a concentrated area is frightening...however you don't want to know how many there are in my zip code alone.
I'll tell you anyway, there are 98, MI ranks third in the country per capita for sex offenders...I wanna move. :eek:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 07:17 PM
Maybe the landlord is someone who, for whatever reason, thinks that it's horrible that SO's are discriminated in housing. I heard a group a few years ago that was actually "feeling sorry" for these people and claiming that some had been falsely accused and were now unable to find housing.

:furious:

LE needs to bust this little circus up....it's ridiculous.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:18 PM
Yep, he must have moved from there recently because his pic was updated 11-14-08 and his registration updated 12-8-08
New addy 8525 Bannerman Bluff Dr. Tallahassee, FL 32312-8027, Leon COUNTY
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=9136
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg


THank you, that is the info I was looking for. I knew there had to be a more recent address for him.

ETA: I like to think (even though I'm wrong), that people don't let SO's live with their kids.

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:20 PM
Dear God, with SO's surrounding her little Haleigh never had a chance! If I lived anywhere near this God forsaken place I would move, NOW!

pirate
02-15-2009, 07:20 PM
I've been told that Haleigh was at school on Monday last week.

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 07:20 PM
When I searched James Josehp Lane on the Florida SO Registry, it shows him living in Tallahassee....perhaps the other source that found him at 202 Green Lane was outdated? Still....he could have had a key.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do


Yes, I found the Tallahassee addy also...with a November, 2008 date. The records seem to indicate that he lived at 202 Green Lane in 2007. But he most certainly could still have a key to this place, and I definitely think it's worth contacting the authorities with this information.

ClockWatcher
02-15-2009, 07:20 PM
Maybe the landlord is someone who, for whatever reason, thinks that it's horrible that SO's are discriminated in housing. I heard a group a few years ago that was actually "feeling sorry" for these people and claiming that some had been falsely accused and were now unable to find housing.

:furious:

Oh those poor disenfranchised sexual offenders. My heart bleeds for them. I was falsely accused.....isn't that their credo?

Capri
02-15-2009, 07:20 PM
When I searched James Josehp Lane on the Florida SO Registry, it shows him living in Tallahassee....perhaps the other source that found him at 202 Green Lane was outdated? Still....he could have had a key.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

Pulling this over from Momtective's post on last thread:
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:21 PM
But, another thought, was James Lane completely moved out when Haleigh and family moved in? Could he have seen her before the trailer changed hands? ~shudder~

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:21 PM
It is my understanding from previous cases that the person has to be actually on the ground to dispense cells for certain dogs to pick up. There are two types of tracking. One is with cells sloughing off and landing on the folliage and ground. The other is cadaver. (I could be wrong about this...because I think there are two kinds of alive tracking dogs.)
by SeriouslySearching

I brought this over SS. I am reading the book "Perfect town, Perfect Murder" about the Ramsey case right now and there was a short paragraph or a few sentences about tracking dogs.

It made me look up the difference. (Yes, I'm a google queen) and I found a very simple website that gives just the basic types of dogs.

http://people.montana.com/~dtirmen/types.html

Kind of a tracking dogs for dummies website:)

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 07:21 PM
Ok/ This is getting freaky! Does this landlord make a habit of renting to SO?? Earlier I found that a Walden Parsons who had been listed as having lived at 202 Green Lane in whitepages has an alias of Walden James Lane.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 07:21 PM
Yep, he must have moved from there recently because his pic was updated 11-14-08 and his registration updated 12-8-08
New addy 8525 Bannerman Bluff Dr. Tallahassee, FL 32312-8027, Leon COUNTY
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=9136
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg

it surprises me that most people do not change the locks when they move into a new house or rental. the former owners/renters may still have keys and anyone else they loaned a key to.

lilpony
02-15-2009, 07:22 PM
Was curious. Is the search for Haleigh still going on as we speak??

panthera
02-15-2009, 07:22 PM
When I searched James Josehp Lane on the Florida SO Registry, it shows him living in Tallahassee....perhaps the other source that found him at 202 Green Lane was outdated? Still....he could have had a key.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do
Thanks ~ I hadn't gotten to the link yet. :)

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 07:22 PM
When I searched James Josehp Lane on the Florida SO Registry, it shows him living in Tallahassee....perhaps the other source that found him at 202 Green Lane was outdated? Still....he could have had a key.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

It appears that Haleigh's current residence was the residence he first moved into when he got out. Based on the number of SO's in this small area I think you will find several throughout the years for each address.

With the property owner out of state I am really wondering if he doesn't work with someone that is handling the release of RSO's. They have to be able to show where they are going and how they are going to manage to live when they get out. A place of residence is a huge hurdle for many of them. It is an unforeseen business opportunity for some property owners.

His victim was over the age of 12, he really doesn't fit the profile. If he returned to the residence and attacked someone Misti is much closer than a 5 year old to his victim profile.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 07:22 PM
I know with all the so's we have to look at that. But it still does not explain the "hink" from the family, and why LE have not cleared them. I just really do not think it was an so. jmo.

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:22 PM
I've been told that Haleigh was at school on Monday last week.


Oh TY pirate! Then we can assume that at least that part of Ronnie's story about picking her up before going to work might be correct.

Carrington
02-15-2009, 07:23 PM
Ron sure moved his family into a snake-pit.
I wonder if he met Misty before or after he made this place his home?
Not one of this extensive family on both sides made Google their friend only My Space.
What a shame.
IMO

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 07:23 PM
Ok the name that shows up for 202 Green Ln in whitepages under address reverse look up shows a Walden Parsons.
No one with that exact name but there are other Parsons it the Florida data base. Again the name is a common surname. Could any of these scumbags have been a relative to this Walden guy. Maybe had a key and locks haven't been changed.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

It is going to take a whole lot of work to determine who lives in the neighborhood and than try to trace people who may be connected to people in the neighborhood.

BeavisMom62
02-15-2009, 07:23 PM
Ok/ This is getting freaky! Does this landlord make a habit of renting to SO?? Earlier I found that a Walden Parsons who had been listed as living at 202 Green Lane in whitepages has an alias of Walden James Lane.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

My goodness! Same guy, huh!

panthera
02-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Ok/ This is getting freaky! Does this landlord make a habit of renting to SO?? Earlier I found that a Walden Parsons who had been listed as having lived at 202 Green Lane in whitepages has an alias of Walden James Lane.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
A relative of James Joseph Lane?

They'llDanceInHeaven
02-15-2009, 07:24 PM
good points all
tell me what u think?

I believe bio mom would of questioned the heck out of JR when custody turned over...
Seems weird bio mom and GM changed their tune with dad and GF. Now apoligetic
I belive someone she of family knows was their erarlier or days previous, unlocked door knowing it is not used
Misty would not confess to not checking the lock
I also believe she would run in and out as the kids slept to smoke a cig...or visit some of her fam.
I am quite sure she did this for a while maybey for only a few min. at first..no probleums so she became more comfortable with doing so...taking longer breaks away
all her weirdness may simply be she does not what the bio dad (her bf)to know
he would not forgive her and she would be out on the streets..I bet she did truly love those kids and gave them the bet care she knew how..also remember when i babysat i was a good sitter ..but did some dumb things..that i would never do with my own children ( I had my first child at 18) things are differnt when you carry a child
*especially because her childhood was so bad...90% of the time children raised this way will swear they would never treat their children as they were treated..
however that does not mean she did not do some dumb irresponsable things and behaviors.

Her patterns when bio dad was not home may have peeked the interest of any SO maybey even a visitor at her brother and Linsey's house. She could very well stop by over there to have a quick smoke and have someone to talk to, leaving the kids unattended and locked front door always...but did not check the unused door to make sure it was still locked..
I also believe they are drug users though....not good combo...
May have been someone who came by their house to get something.
Or a SO in area with a key or what ever like many sugested

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 07:24 PM
This is completely OT-Sorry everyone will have to read another post but,

I am so SICK and DISGUSTED by all of these SO's!

Lane could have had a key, that's for sure...

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:26 PM
Ron sure moved his family into a snake-pit.
I wonder if he met Misty before or after he made this place his home?
Not one of this extensive family on both sides made Google their friend only My Space.
What a shame.
IMO

From my little timeline, he met her prior to moving. I have them living there for 4 months, yet dating for 5 months. But I could have bad data.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:26 PM
by SeriouslySearching

I brought this over SS. I am reading the book "Perfect town, Perfect Murder" about the Ramsey case right now and there was a short paragraph or a few sentences about tracking dogs.

It made me look up the difference. (Yes, I'm a google queen) and I found a very simple website that gives just the basic types of dogs.

http://people.montana.com/~dtirmen/types.html

Kind of a tracking dogs for dummies website:)

IIRC, just going on memory here, but...
didn't LE say they thought the dogs could have tracked there due to the wind blowing the little girls scent through the open door?
Also, back during the Laci Roca investigation, didn't dogs follow her scent all the way from her house to the water where Scott went fishing?
If my memory is correct (not really sure thereLOL) I would hazard a guess that dogs could follow a scent even if person was in a vehicle.
Whatcha think?

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 07:26 PM
From Talahassee only means a 3 hour trip for JJL to Satsuma, and he'd have a key right? Eeesh... these pics give me the willies, the creep factor is off the scale. Poor Haleigh, I hope to God she has not gotten into the wrong hands, it looks like she was surrounded. I can't post what I'm really thinking right now... :furious: JMO

:parrot:

AmyinTheHam
02-15-2009, 07:27 PM
I really wish we had a daily update thread. I find it very difficult to keep up with the summary threads.

I love websleuths and really feel that the folks on here do an amazing job of sleuthing I just hate that I am missing some of the key details or ideas because I can't catch up!!!

So if anyone can post a short update I would appreciate it. I see some are still thinking SO since she was surrounded by so many. How has the family been acting?

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 07:27 PM
But, another thought, was James Lane completely moved out when Haleigh and family moved in? Could he have seen her before the trailer changed hands? ~shudder~

Or come back to the area to visit and saw her?

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:28 PM
Ok the name that shows up for 202 Green Ln in whitepages under address reverse look up shows a Walden Parsons.
No one with that exact name but there are other Parsons it the Florida data base. Again the name is a common surname. Could any of these scumbags have been a relative to this Walden guy. Maybe had a key and locks haven't been changed.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

It is going to take a whole lot of work to determine who lives in the neighborhood and than try to trace people who may be connected to people in the neighborhood.


Shadow have you ever tried this website?

http://www.411.com/find_neighbors

I played with that a few years ago. Let me know if anything comes up for you when you plug in Ronnies address.

You can also move the address up or down numerically and find more neighbors.

I don't know how often they update their database though.

MaedchenX
02-15-2009, 07:29 PM
If JJL's 1995 crime (when he was 19) was indeed against a female child over the age of 12, it may very well have been a situation not unlike the one Misty and Ron are in. Just saying.

ETA: I am not trying to minimize the threat of predator's but to point out that there are an array of crimes which might constitute a sexual offense.

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 07:29 PM
Yep, he must have moved from there recently because his pic was updated 11-14-08 and his registration updated 12-8-08
New addy 8525 Bannerman Bluff Dr. Tallahassee, FL 32312-8027, Leon COUNTY
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=9136
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg

Ron C. moved in there about October of 2008 IIRC. The whitepages has a man by the name of Walden Parson listed for that address as far as a phone goes. I wonder if there were roommates or something.

This is a mess. Does anyone know of a way to check out names of renters for an address in Florida. In my state unless there is a city directory which is usually outdated the only names you can put with property is the owner.

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:29 PM
Bringing this over from the previous thread
I'm sure this may have already been posted but...doing public records search of address of SO Donald Lee Sapp http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...?personId=6441 the address comes up as residence of Jeffrey Griffis.

Maria Griffis: Mother of Crystal Sheffield
Crystal Shefield: Birth Mother of Haleigh Cummings
Chad Griffis: Boyfriend of Crystal Sheffield

Has anyone figured out the connection between these family members?

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 07:29 PM
Couple of thoughts.

First, IIRC bio dad described how HE installed the deadbolt - it was up high so Haleigh couldn't reach it and you had to push on the door to get it to catch - so as for keys - I don't think so IF dad really did install this lock.

Second, about LE "holding" the house. Now we have not be privy to any information yet we know most all of the players have "priors" and they are drug priors - so we can assume there might be drugs in play here. Could it be that LE did, in fact, find drugs in the trailer. If it was METH - those places have to be "cleaned". Meth leaves a residue that is toxic and everything in there has to be "cleaned". I've heard this about meth labs AND meth houses - I guess it depends on the house as to how MUCH was done in the house before contaminating everything. I have also hear of just plain old hotel rooms have to be de-contaminated from meth. So, could THAT be why LE still has the house and not saying?

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:30 PM
I really wish we had a daily update thread. I find it very difficult to keep up with the summary threads.

I love websleuths and really feel that the folks on here do an amazing job of sleuthing I just hate that I am missing some of the key details or ideas because I can't catch up!!!

So if anyone can post a short update I would appreciate it. I see some are still thinking SO since she was surrounded by so many. How has the family been acting?

Hi Amy, there is an update thread for media/LE at the top of the missing thread. Hope that helps.:)
If you mean for all the other sluething we are all doing, well get your reading glasses on, it's here!

Carrington
02-15-2009, 07:31 PM
From my little timeline, he met her prior to moving. I have them living there for 4 months, yet dating for 5 months. But I could have bad data.

Where exactly does a 25 year old meet a 16 year old?
Unless he hired her to babysit?
IMO

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 07:32 PM
But, another thought, was James Lane completely moved out when Haleigh and family moved in? Could he have seen her before the trailer changed hands? ~shudder~

There are two men in the neighborhood who are labeled as sexual predators that I think would be much closer to a profile that would fit Haleigh.

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:32 PM
IIRC, just going on memory here, but...
didn't LE say they thought the dogs could have tracked there due to the wind blowing the little girls scent through the open door?
Also, back during the Laci Roca investigation, didn't dogs follow her scent all the way from her house to the water where Scott went fishing?
If my memory is correct (not really sure thereLOL) I would hazard a guess that dogs could follow a scent even if person was in a vehicle.
Whatcha think?


I think I gotta 'nother link in my fav's for you:)

Yup they can follow scent of someone that's been taken from an area by car sometimes.

http://stason.org/TULARC/animals/dogs/working-faq/004-Tracking-and-Trailing.html

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:32 PM
AS far as I can tell the copy/paste below would be the correct James Lane; addresses in Satsuma and San MAteo. It's the only one that is the right age, it appears he has a brother named Jason that is 29. I assume brother due to the age.
The fact that the last name is only an initial is due to my edit.

LANE, JAMES  JOSEPH (Age 32)
SAN MATEO, FL
SATSUMA, FL

L, JASON  T (Age 29)

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 07:33 PM
When I searched James Josehp Lane on the Florida SO Registry, it shows him living in Tallahassee....perhaps the other source that found him at 202 Green Lane was outdated? Still....he could have had a key.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

AA, MyT, Shadow et al... great minds lol. Nothing the least funny about SOB's having keys tho. :mad:


Dear God, with SO's surrounding her little Haleigh never had a chance! If I lived anywhere near this God forsaken place I would move, NOW!


Ok/ This is getting freaky! Does this landlord make a habit of renting to SO?? Earlier I found that a Walden Parsons who had been listed as having lived at 202 Green Lane in whitepages has an alias of Walden James Lane.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Really frightening, a cesspool for sure. :rolleyes:

:parrot:

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:33 PM
I think I gotta 'nother link in my fav's for you:)

Yup they can follow scent of someone that's been taken from an area by car sometimes.

http://stason.org/TULARC/animals/dogs/working-faq/004-Tracking-and-Trailing.html

Thanks Kat!

AmyinTheHam
02-15-2009, 07:34 PM
Hi Amy, there is an update thread for media/LE at the top of the missing thread. Hope that helps.:)
If you mean for all the other sluething we are all doing, well get your reading glasses on, it's here!

Thanks I will check out that, and yes I am trying hard to catch up! Amazing what a day of cleaning and sewing can set you back on these threads....

Lots of SO connections though it seems.

CharlestonGal
02-15-2009, 07:34 PM
If JJL's 1995 crime (when he was 19) was indeed against a female child over the age of 12, it may very well have been a situation not unlike the one Misty and Ron are in. Just saying.

I'm not all that excited about him either. I calculate he was 18 at the time of the offense and it could easily have been a date rape situation or something like that with a minor g/f who could have been 3 days shy of her 18th birthday for all we know.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 07:34 PM
From my little timeline, he met her prior to moving. I have them living there for 4 months, yet dating for 5 months. But I could have bad data.It is my understanding, too. I even heard six months of dating...not sure what is correct. What do they consider "dating"? How long did he "see" her before and she was with him fulltime? I am guessing it could be from the first time they laid eyes on one another. It is all about their "definition" of together.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:35 PM
There are two men in the neighborhood who are labeled as sexual predators that I think would be much closer to a profile that would fit Haleigh.

Yes, but none that are closer by potential availability.

THere are actually several that fit better by nature of crime.

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 07:36 PM
Ok/ This is getting freaky! Does this landlord make a habit of renting to SO?? Earlier I found that a Walden Parsons who had been listed as having lived at 202 Green Lane in whitepages has an alias of Walden James Lane.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

I think that is exactly what he does. It would appear most of his units are rented to people with an arrest record of some sort. There was an article here locally about neighbors being upset with a property owner that moved out of his house and started renting the house out by the room with a communal living space. Filled the whole thing with sex offenders who couldn't be approved anywhere. He said he could rent the house for $1200 to one person or make $3k a month letting the probation officers come to him and fill it with offenders.

I personally think we see that the house accidently catches on fire if the neighbors don't get them out.

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:36 PM
I'm doing a search is the name of the town the trailer park is in called palatka?

panthera
02-15-2009, 07:37 PM
Where exactly does a 25 year old meet a 16 year old?
Unless he hired her to babysit?
IMO
Maybe he knew her brother or somebody who knew her, first? Just guessing, of course.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 07:37 PM
I've been told that Haleigh was at school on Monday last week.

Thank you for any of your insider tidbits. I was thinking of you earlier today, in how fortunate we are to have you, and you to be close with connnections, even small ones. WS rocks.


http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg

So this guy just moved out of the area a little over a month ago? He lived in Haleigh's house and moved? Well more likely than not ron didn't re-key the locks, like a responsible thinking adult. Honestly, he may not have thought of it. If this man lived there this recently, he needs to be looked at hard. Followed, given the ninth degree, he is a prime suspect in my book along with Ron and Misty.

Geez, will this end, this is just horrible all the connections being found with criminals, sex offenders and the relations between. LE needs to be looking, for i believe these tips are more credible than a stranger abduction.

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 07:38 PM
If JJL's 1995 crime (when he was 19) was indeed against a female child over the age of 12, it may very well have been a situation not unlike the one Misty and Ron are in. Just saying.

ETA: I am not trying to minimize the threat of predator's but to point out that there are an array of crimes which might constitute a sexual offense.

Granted, but the fact that JJL lived at this residence and lives out of the area at this time means he could be flying under the LE radar but should be questioned, I would think.

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Ok/ This is getting freaky! Does this landlord make a habit of renting to SO?? Earlier I found that a Walden Parsons who had been listed as having lived at 202 Green Lane in whitepages has an alias of Walden James Lane.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Excellant. Super sluething.

I was wondering about the dang whitepages name for that address Walden Parsons. Couldn't find anything on him in the SO database but something just didn't sit right with the name with me. I just got a creepy feeling last night about it.
I wonder if we can find anything else on this Walden name. Something to connect back to Lane guy.

kellync
02-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Couple of thoughts.

First, IIRC bio dad described how HE installed the deadbolt - it was up high so Haleigh couldn't reach it and you had to push on the door to get it to catch - so as for keys - I don't think so IF dad really did install this lock.

Second, about LE "holding" the house. Now we have not be privy to any information yet we know most all of the players have "priors" and they are drug priors - so we can assume there might be drugs in play here. Could it be that LE did, in fact, find drugs in the trailer. If it was METH - those places have to be "cleaned". Meth leaves a residue that is toxic and everything in there has to be "cleaned". I've heard this about meth labs AND meth houses - I guess it depends on the house as to how MUCH was done in the house before contaminating everything. I have also hear of just plain old hotel rooms have to be de-contaminated from meth. So, could THAT be why LE still has the house and not saying?

I'd bet we'd see hazmat people in there already..couldnt hide that, and they'd come in before any investigators could finish up, in order to secure the house to protect investigators from chemicals, etc. I do think drugs will play a part in all of this even if it is just all of the key players being hooked on them

catch_22
02-15-2009, 07:38 PM
IIRC, just going on memory here, but...
didn't LE say they thought the dogs could have tracked there due to the wind blowing the little girls scent through the open door?
Also, back during the Laci Roca investigation, didn't dogs follow her scent all the way from her house to the water where Scott went fishing?
If my memory is correct (not really sure thereLOL) I would hazard a guess that dogs could follow a scent even if person was in a vehicle.
Whatcha think?

someone has told me that bloodhounds could tell if someone drove down a street in a car like a week prior as an example of how good their sense of smell is. i found it hard to believe but it might be true. i would think that the dogs would have no problem tracking her then......

Carrington
02-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Is the $650 month $650 deposit considered cheap rent for his size of a trailer in FL?
Something has to be a draw.....
IMO

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:39 PM
Shadow have you ever tried this website?

http://www.411.com/find_neighbors

I played with that a few years ago. Let me know if anything comes up for you when you plug in Ronnies address.

You can also move the address up or down numerically and find more neighbors.

I don't know how often they update their database though.

Here's another good bookmark http://www.123people.com/

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:39 PM
Where exactly does a 25 year old meet a 16 year old?
Unless he hired her to babysit?
IMO

I was 15 with a 25 year old bf, met him through mutual friends.
Course all of my friends were and always have been older than myself, don't know if that's the case with Misty.

FifthEssence
02-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Yes, I found the Tallahassee addy also...with a November, 2008 date. The records seem to indicate that he lived at 202 Green Lane in 2007. But he most certainly could still have a key to this place, and I definitely think it's worth contacting the authorities with this information.

Do you have a LINK to whatever your source is indicating he lived at 202 Green at one time? thank U

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Bringing this over from the previous thread
I'm sure this may have already been posted but...doing public records search of address of SO Donald Lee Sapp http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...?personId=6441 the address comes up as residence of Jeffrey Griffis.

Maria Griffis: Mother of Crystal Sheffield
Crystal Shefield: Birth Mother of Haleigh Cummings
Chad Griffis: Boyfriend of Crystal Sheffield

Has anyone figured out the connection between these family members?

Only that Jeffrey Michael Griffis, 29, died in Jan 09.

Billye Lee (his wife) supposedly testified in Donald Lee Sapp's trial in the 90s according to a post a few threads back. If that poster is reading, great sleuthing and would you mind sharing a link to the source!? Thanks!

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:41 PM
I'd bet we'd see hazmat people in there already..couldnt hide that, and they'd come in before any investigators could finish up, in order to secure the house to protect investigators from chemicals, etc. I do think drugs will play a part in all of this even if it is just all of the key players being hooked on them

And Ron wouldn't be out walking the streets with custody of his son of there was any sign of a meth lab.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:42 PM
Do you have a LINK to whatever your source is indicating he lived at 202 Green at one time? thank U

I linked it when I posted it. Sorry, can't save to the laptop. It's in the lst three pages of the last thread.

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:42 PM
Here is the listings according to find your neighbor

http://www.411.com/search/FindNeighbors?pagetype=1&street=+202+green+lane&city_zip=satsuma&state_id=FL&localtime=survey

Gives five names, are there only five houses on Green Lane?

babycat
02-15-2009, 07:42 PM
Wow, you guys are blowing my mind with all of this information...

I'll be surprised if SOMETHING doesn't pan out from this

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 07:43 PM
I was 15 with a 25 year old bf, met him through mutual friends.
Course all of my friends were and always have been older than myself, don't know if that's the case with Misty.

Often thru siblings. Also, In a small community, there is less separation among age groups. When I was 14-15, I couldn't understand why my parents objected to me chasing after guys who were 20-25! Mostly they were friends of my older sister's boyfriend.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 07:43 PM
Couple of thoughts.

First, IIRC bio dad described how HE installed the deadbolt - it was up high so Haleigh couldn't reach it and you had to push on the door to get it to catch - so as for keys - I don't think so IF dad really did install this lock.

(snipped) But that's just rear (side) door right--key could be to other door where cars parked. JMO

:parrot:

Kat
02-15-2009, 07:44 PM
TY Momtective! I bookmarked that one for future searches:)

~Lisa~
02-15-2009, 07:44 PM
I've been told that Haleigh was at school on Monday last week.



oh good thank you!
If she wasn't in school on Monday...I would hope a teacher/bus driver would have said something to LE by now.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 07:44 PM
I see things growing feet here and getting ready too run...lol We have some posts saying this Lane guy just moved out of Haleighs house and some posts saying he lived there in 2007. We need to slow down....and get it as close to right as possible. We are obivously going to be able to come up with hundreds of sex offenders in this area...former or present and it's gonna cause a mess.

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 07:45 PM
I know..it is nuts. I know that the area is fairly rural, so a few I can understand...the type that just want the world to leave them alone since they did their time, but that many in a concentrated area is frightening...however you don't want to know how many there are in my zip code alone.
I'll tell you anyway, there are 98, MI ranks third in the country per capita for sex offenders...I wanna move. :eek:

It's almost like they all tell each other " hey man, come live here." I say LET them live together, them & only them. Either let them all live together in prison FOREVER or banish them to some remote island FOREVER. Personally, I would give the DP the first time, no dealing for sex with a young child. Society does not need these sick ba$tards.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:46 PM
I see things growing feet here and getting ready too run...lol We have some posts saying this Lane guy just moved out of Haleighs house and some posts saying he lived there in 2007. We need to slow down....and get it as close to right as possible. We are obivously going to be able to come up with hundreds of sex offenders in this area...former or present and it's gonna cause a mess.

ya think?!:crazy:

Patty G
02-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Do you have a LINK to whatever your source is indicating he lived at 202 Green at one time? thank U

Scroll down the list until you see his name.
http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Do you have a LINK to whatever your source is indicating he lived at 202 Green at one time? thank U

Yes we do. It is posted previously, but the threads are moving so fast I can't begin to tell you where to find it, sorry!

KOOLLOOK posted (in snipped form):


like a responsible thinking adult.

...or like a trusting adult. I once rented a place in a quiet little southern community and did not think to change the locks. In the course of putting things in the closet, I found a bag of weed. I called my landlord, who in turn called the Sheriff, and they both came out and the Sheriff took the pot. A few days later my husband and I were sitting in the living room, door locked, when we heard a key in the door. In walked the former tenant, who barely acknowledged our presence, walked into our bedroom, then walked back out again. It happened so fast and we were so amazed that neither of us had time to respond. After she went out the door, I looked out the window. There were two guys with her, one of whom was slumped over in the cab of the truck. You better believe I've made sure I got the locks changed whenever I've moved since.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:47 PM
To clarify:
According to http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do JJL registered at the address in Tallahassee (NOT halaigh's) on 11-15-2008. This was after he moved from Green Lane.

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:48 PM
Do you have a LINK to whatever your source is indicating he lived at 202 Green at one time? thank U

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html

NotmyKids...you are an awesome sleuth!

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:49 PM
Yes we do. It is posted previously, but the threads are moving so fast I can't begin to tell you where to find it, sorry!

KOOLLOOK posted (in snipped form):



...or like a trusting adult. I once rented a place in a quiet little southern community and did not think to change the locks. In the course of putting things in the closet, I found a bag of weed. I called my landlord, who in turn called the Sheriff, and they both came out and the Sheriff took the pot. A few days later my husband and I were sitting in the living room, door locked, when we heard a key in the door. In walked the former tenant, who barely acknowledged our presence, walked into our bedroom, then walked back out again. It happened so fast and we were so amazed that neither of us had time to respond. After she went out the door, I looked out the window. There were two guys with her, one of whom was slumped over in the cab of the truck. You better believe I've made sure I got the locks changed whenever I've moved since.

Holy Smolley!!!!!:eek:

MaedchenX
02-15-2009, 07:49 PM
Granted, but the fact that JJL lived at this residence and lives out of the area at this time means he could be flying under the LE radar but should be questioned, I would think.

True, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he is not the first SO to live at this location given the kind of turnover that one might expect of a rental situation. Also given that it seems SOs are peppered throughout the area in droves it might be known in those circles as a more accepting area where landlords are willing to overlook the quality of a tenant for a consistent rent check.

I definitely think the SO angle should be explored, but I am not particularly swayed by this potential suspect given what is known about his history.

cocowiley
02-15-2009, 07:50 PM
it surprises me that most people do not change the locks when they move into a new house or rental. the former owners/renters may still have keys and anyone else they loaned a key to.

if his address was just updated in dec. 08 and ronald has been living at his current address for 4 months..could this maybe mean that ronald knows this guy and possibly they both lived in that mobile home together at one point..like, maybe he rented one of the bedrooms?

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 07:50 PM
Excellant. Super sluething.

I was wondering about the dang whitepages name for that address Walden Parsons. Couldn't find anything on him in the SO database but something just didn't sit right with the name with me. I just got a creepy feeling last night about it.
I wonder if we can find anything else on this Walden name. Something to connect back to Lane guy.

Only thing I found on him was Classmates.com listing him as student from 88-92 at Godby HS in Tallahassee.....that would make him about 34....about the same age as JJL!

Patty G
02-15-2009, 07:50 PM
Is the $650 month $650 deposit considered cheap rent for his size of a trailer in FL?
Something has to be a draw.....
IMO

Nope, that is reasonable.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:51 PM
just a question, if anyone knows, how close is this town to a State Prison?

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 07:51 PM
Bringing this over from the previous thread
I'm sure this may have already been posted but...doing public records search of address of SO Donald Lee Sapp http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...?personId=6441 the address comes up as residence of Jeffrey Griffis.

Maria Griffis: Mother of Crystal Sheffield
Crystal Shefield: Birth Mother of Haleigh Cummings
Chad Griffis: Boyfriend of Crystal Sheffield

Has anyone figured out the connection between these family members?

Haven't quite caught up, so this might already have been brought up, but this morning ElizaAvalon posted this:

Jeffrey Michael Griffis, age 29 of Palatka, died 1/8/09!

https://www.legacy.com/TimesUnion/De...onID=122370175

Carrington
02-15-2009, 07:52 PM
And Ron wouldn't be out walking the streets with custody of his son of there was any sign of a meth lab.

Well, we can hope.
Maybe not a lab just the meth, highly doubtful he was cooking.
They never would have called 911.
Two small children, both with health problems already. (shakes head)
IMO

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 07:52 PM
I think that is exactly what he does. It would appear most of his units are rented to people with an arrest record of some sort. There was an article here locally about neighbors being upset with a property owner that moved out of his house and started renting the house out by the room with a communal living space. Filled the whole thing with sex offenders who couldn't be approved anywhere. He said he could rent the house for $1200 to one person or make $3k a month letting the probation officers come to him and fill it with offenders.

I personally think we see that the house accidently catches on fire if the neighbors don't get them out.

I'm sickened--and furious. In WA we have laws to protect children which prohibit these SOBs from living w/in certain communities where children live (ie after reporting to mgmt. SO registered across the street they evicted, it is against the law!) WTH is wrong in FL where children can be living in the midst of dozens of these victimizers? GMAFB :rolleyes:
:furious:
JMO
:parrot:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 07:53 PM
Haven't quite caught up, so this might already have been brought up, but this morning ElizaAvalon posted this:

Jeffrey Michael Griffis, age 29 of Palatka, died 1/8/09!

https://www.legacy.com/TimesUnion/De...onID=122370175


Linky no worky.....:)

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:54 PM
To clarify:
According to http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do JJL registered at the address in Tallahassee (NOT halaigh's) on 11-15-2008. This was after he moved from Green Lane.

I'm just wondering with such a collection of depraved flesh in the immediate area of Haleigh's home if maybe a lot of these guys know one another, perhaps they did time together. Maybe they visit one another and maybe other friends with common interests visit them as well. With what we've found I would find it hard to believe that the neighborhood isn't just crawling with them at any given time.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 07:55 PM
Then again... parents have to CARE enough to at least check the registry, geeesh. :rolleyes:
:parrot:

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 07:56 PM
Linky no worky.....:)

You have to be a paid subscriber, but since it stated the obit was only 21 words, I didn't think it was worth it!

mommyofthreekidz5
02-15-2009, 07:56 PM
I don't know if this was posted already, but its the Bio moms # 1 friend on myspace.Hayleigh is missing . http://http://www.myspace.com/haleighismissing

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 07:57 PM
I'm just wondering with such a collection of depraved flesh in the immediate area of Haleigh's home if maybe a lot of these guys know one another, perhaps they did time together. Maybe they visit one another and maybe other friends with common interests visit them as well. With what we've found I would find it hard to believe that the neighborhood isn't just crawling with them at any given time.

Exchange kiddie porn, watch each other's back... a whole friggin colony... :furious:
:parrot:

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 07:57 PM
I once rented a place in a quiet little southern community and did not think to change the locks. In the course of putting things in the closet, I found a bag of weed. I called my landlord, who in turn called the Sheriff, and they both came out and the Sheriff took the pot. A few days later my husband and I were sitting in the living room, door locked, when we heard a key in the door. In walked the former tenant, who barely acknowledged our presence, walked into our bedroom, then walked back out again. It happened so fast and we were so amazed that neither of us had time to respond. After she went out the door, I looked out the window. There were two guys with her, one of whom was slumped over in the cab of the truck. You better believe I've made sure I got the locks changed whenever I've moved since.

hahaha this posts deserves an award, it's own thread, maybe earning us a Haleigh forum. :clap:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 07:57 PM
Then again... parents have to CARE enough to at least check the registry, geeesh. :rolleyes:
:parrot:

Not everyone has a computer....and I am amazed at how many people do not know of these registries.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 07:58 PM
I'm just wondering with such a collection of depraved flesh in the immediate area of Haleigh's home if maybe a lot of these guys know one another, perhaps they did time together. Maybe they visit one another and maybe other friends with common interests visit them as well. With what we've found I would find it hard to believe that the neighborhood isn't just crawling with them at any given time.

The thoughts going on in my head right now are terrifying. The idea that if one of these %^$##%&(*^&%*'s got Haleigh that she could be being passed around among the pedophile community is about to do me in.

Lord, let this guy, JJL,as well as the other SO's in the area, mean nothing, please.

Carrington
02-15-2009, 07:58 PM
Then again... parents have to CARE enough to at least check the registry, geeesh. :rolleyes:
:parrot:

His own mother works for LE....HELLO
IMO

supergirl
02-15-2009, 07:58 PM
I'm just wondering with such a collection of depraved flesh in the immediate area of Haleigh's home if maybe a lot of these guys know one another, perhaps they did time together. Maybe they visit one another and maybe other friends with common interests visit them as well. With what we've found I would find it hard to believe that the neighborhood isn't just crawling with them at any given time.

I am just guessing but I have to believe that either a parole officer knows this is a "friendly to convicts" trailer park, or it's just word of mouth.
In my part of FL there are alot of trailer parks. Some are nice with decent friendly people who just don't have alot of money. Others are even fancy. Then there are those that are obvious stomping ground of nothing but trouble. It's pretty easy to spot which is which.

momtective
02-15-2009, 07:58 PM
Linky no worky.....:)

It's a pay link
Here the short/free version http://www.legacy.com/Obituaries.asp?Page=ObitFinderResults&FirstName=Jeffrey&LastName=Griffis&State=&DateRange=Last1Yrs&Newspaper=&Keyword=

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 07:58 PM
A relative of James Joseph Lane?

Nope. I'm guessing one in the same!

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:00 PM
Then again... parents have to CARE enough to at least check the registry, geeesh. :rolleyes:
:parrot:Most parents do not. Sad fact.

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 08:00 PM
Holy Smolley!!!!!:eek:

Happens in apartment complexes too. They don't bother changing the locks or they just move them from unit to unit. You have a key and if your so minded a person all you have to do is just go from door to door and find one that fits your old key.
Had a drunk guy come into our place years ago. He had moved and forgot he moved and was working on auto pilot. We had only been there two weeks.
He sobered up real fast looking up at my double barrel shotgun and ran out the door..
I was so T'ed off. Lock go changed as soon as the hardware store opened and I didn't bother to give the complex the key either.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:00 PM
Then again... parents have to CARE enough to at least check the registry, geeesh. :rolleyes:
:parrot:

When we moved in here, I checked the registry. And then bought a gun, a dog and an alarm.
We don't always have control over where we live, but we can control who comes in our house.
My soon to be husband knows that I have checked up on all of his friends as well as all of my own. He was offended at first, but now he understands.

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:01 PM
Is the $650 month $650 deposit considered cheap rent for his size of a trailer in FL?
Something has to be a draw.....
IMO

criminal record? no problem
registered sex offender? no problem
horrible credit? no problem

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by SWAG1959

Couple of thoughts.

First, IIRC bio dad described how HE installed the deadbolt - it was up high so Haleigh couldn't reach it and you had to push on the door to get it to catch - so as for keys - I don't think so IF dad really did install this lock.

I don't hear him saying he installed the deadbolt in the Greta interview. Did he state that elsewhere?




http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html

According to the website above, the addresses listed are:

"According to our research of the Florida and other state lists there were 23 registered sex offenders living in zip code 32189 in early 2007."

This is where the 2007 date came in.

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 08:04 PM
Linky no worky.....:)

That's wierd! It worked this morning. Maybe when I copied it over it got messed up. I'll try again.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 08:04 PM
I'd bet we'd see hazmat people in there already..couldnt hide that, and they'd come in before any investigators could finish up, in order to secure the house to protect investigators from chemicals, etc. I do think drugs will play a part in all of this even if it is just all of the key players being hooked on them

And it's kinda hard to be using w/out possessing, and having w/in reach of children...


Is the $650 month $650 deposit considered cheap rent for his size of a trailer in FL?
Something has to be a draw.....
IMO

Such a bargain, to live on Pervert Island. :rolleyes:

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 08:04 PM
I don't remember which interview - but dad was talking about the "circle" (which is actually a hole bored into the frame) and how he put it up high enough so Haleigh couldn't reach it.

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:05 PM
Happens in apartment complexes too. They don't bother changing the locks or they just move them from unit to unit. You have a key and if your so minded a person all you have to do is just go from door to door and find one that fits your old key.
Had a drunk guy come into our place years ago. He had moved and forgot he moved and was working on auto pilot. We had only been there two weeks.
He sobered up real fast looking up at my double barrel shotgun and ran out the door..
I was so T'ed off. Lock go changed as soon as the hardware store opened and I didn't bother to give the complex the key either.

Being the paranoid sort that I am we always rekeyed the locks when we moved in. Just knowing how many complex workers have abused their key access privileges is enough for me. If I ever disappear hubby will know I didn't go willingly and no one smoothed talked me into a car. He frequently jokes that if a uniformed officer in a police cruiser wanted to take me in off the side of the road I would refuse wanting proof that he is really a cop. He is probably right though.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:05 PM
criminal record? no problem
registered sex offender? no problem
horrible credit? no problem

A steady supply of unsuspecting children...priceless:furious::mad::furious::mad:

catch_22
02-15-2009, 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by SWAG1959


I don't hear him saying he installed the deadbolt in the Greta interview. Did he state that elsewhere?




http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html

According to the website above, the addresses listed are:

"According to our research of the Florida and other state lists there were 23 registered sex offenders living in zip code 32189 in early 2007."

This is where the 2007 date came in.

for some reason i thought i had heard him say something about installing the lock, but then saw the interview again and he only described how you had to push the door in to get it to latch. maybe he said he installed it elsewhere......

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 08:06 PM
You have to be a paid subscriber, but since it stated the obit was only 21 words, I didn't think it was worth it!

No it worked this morning without being a paid subscriber. But it isn't now for some reason. Maybe I messed up the cut and past..

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by impatientredhead
I think that is exactly what he does. It would appear most of his units are rented to people with an arrest record of some sort. There was an article here locally about neighbors being upset with a property owner that moved out of his house and started renting the house out by the room with a communal living space. Filled the whole thing with sex offenders who couldn't be approved anywhere. He said he could rent the house for $1200 to one person or make $3k a month letting the probation officers come to him and fill it with offenders.

I personally think we see that the house accidently catches on fire if the neighbors don't get them out.
I have heard of many of these people. I call them perplords. (instead of landlords). They have reasons why other than money they would do this, imo.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:06 PM
I don't remember which interview - but dad was talking about the "circle" (which is actually a hole bored into the frame) and how he put it up high enough so Haleigh couldn't reach it.

i remember it too swag, but don't remember where originaly. but it has been mentioned time and again on just about every episode of NG , JVM, and GVS

Carrington
02-15-2009, 08:06 PM
And it's kinda hard to be using w/out possessing, and having w/in reach of children...



Such a bargain, to live on Pervert Island. :rolleyes:

And, work nights....
Here take my kids...I set it up for ya'all.
IMO

CeeKer
02-15-2009, 08:07 PM
Try this for Jeffrey Griffis

https://www.legacy.com/TimesUnion/DeathNotices.asp?Page=ArchiveOrder&PersonID=122370175


Edited to add: you have to pay to get the full obit. This is very basic.

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:07 PM
Do you by chane know what his specific offense was?
Was it on a female child younger than 12 years old?
The only thing I have found out is he isn't a violent offender, so that's very little.

He was 19, the victim was over 12.
It was not under the statutory rape statute, being solely an age violation.
The statute he was convicted under said it involves the use of force, but not force that would cause injury. Sounds like a date rape situation/pinned down type of thing.

cuppy199
02-15-2009, 08:09 PM
Not everyone has a computer....and I am amazed at how many people do not know of these registries.

Actually I didnt know until I came to WS :eek:

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Thank you for any of your insider tidbits. I was thinking of you earlier today, in how fortunate we are to have you, and you to be close with connnections, even small ones. WS rocks.


http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/JamesJosephLane.jpg

So this guy just moved out of the area a little over a month ago? He lived in Haleigh's house and moved? Well more likely than not ron didn't re-key the locks, like a responsible thinking adult. Honestly, he may not have thought of it. If this man lived there this recently, he needs to be looked at hard. Followed, given the ninth degree, he is a prime suspect in my book along with Ron and Misty.

Geez, will this end, this is just horrible all the connections being found with criminals, sex offenders and the relations between. LE needs to be looking, for i believe these tips are more credible than a stranger abduction.

He moved in 2007. Haleigh's family moved in four months ago. Doesn't sound like they crossed paths.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Whew! Took forever to catch up here!
I have a strong feeling that LE knows this was an inside ordeal. They are holding the home right now for a reason. There is now no ground search. I do think they are just waiting for labs to come back.
I feel like in the next week we will see a person of interest and I do believe that will be Misty.
When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Nor does your story change 4 or 5 times.
Poor Haleigh!

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 08:12 PM
SG said:


Holy Smolley!!!!!

(Chuckle). Yep, even us Steelers let our guard down now and then.

Thanks, KOOLLOOK.


And ITA with the fact that not all people know about the registries. I didn't until our local Sheriff's Department did a television campaign about it. I mean, would you THINK there would have to BE something like that? And you know these SO's aren't advertising that they are SO's, so the parents wouldn't necessarily have any reason to feel the need to check to see if SO's live in their area.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Being the paranoid sort that I am we always rekeyed the locks when we moved in. Just knowing how many complex workers have abused their key access privileges is enough for me. If I ever disappear hubby will know I didn't go willingly and no one smoothed talked me into a car. He frequently jokes that if a uniformed officer in a police cruiser wanted to take me in off the side of the road I would refuse wanting proof that he is really a cop. He is probably right though.Many people cannot afford to replace or rekey new locks after moving. It isn't always an option. I don't find that many people who do it on a regular basis. (I should start a new awarness group for that!)

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Actually I didnt know until I came to WS :eek:

And sometimes prople just don't want to know. I would sleep better not knowing that there are 579 registered sex offenders in my city of 130,000, as well as Lord only knows how many non-registered ones.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:13 PM
Whew! Took forever to catch up here!
I have a strong feeling that LE knows this was an inside ordeal. They are holding the home right now for a reason. There is now no ground search. I do think they are just waiting for labs to come back.
I feel like in the next week we will see a person of interest and I do believe that will be Misty.
When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Nor does your story change 4 or 5 times.
Poor baby!


ITA....it was from inside the home, not outside.

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 08:13 PM
And, work nights....
Here take my kids...I set it up for ya'all.
IMO

Sad to say, but maybe his immediate reaction in the 911 call speaks to just that....that he realized the most likely scenario was that one of the nearby SO's had his girl....as opposed to her having just gone out and gotten lost or wandered off.

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 08:13 PM
This Lane guy and Walden Parsons with the aka of the combined name doesen't fit the MO of a 5 year old but that doesn't mean he dosen't have friends that would go after a 5 year old.

We also don't know the reason that he moved. This is something that happen with the home next to me several years ago. New owner purchased it and never moved in. Couldn't get a CO and lost it in forclouser. They decied to hand out the keys to a couple of bums out of spite. They were using the place to live in. I kept hearing things and noticing stuff and finally got LE to go in and toss them out but could not do anything about the locks. A couple of weeks later so someone else going in. LE came back. I asked the cop not to lock the door when he left, which he was kind enough to do for me and I changed the locks myself. End of all of the misfits going in and out of the place.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:14 PM
He moved in 2007. Haleigh's family moved in four months ago. Doesn't sound like they crossed paths.

Where does it say he moved in 07? I have that he registed in Tallahassee 11/15/08, but nothing on when he moved out of the trailer in Satsuma.

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:16 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do

Does anyone know what received means in this database?

lillyfrog
02-15-2009, 08:16 PM
Whew! Took forever to catch up here!
I have a strong feeling that LE knows this was an inside ordeal. They are holding the home right now for a reason. There is now no ground search. I do think they are just waiting for labs to come back.
I feel like in the next week we will see a person of interest and I do believe that will be Misty.
When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Nor does your story change 4 or 5 times.
Poor baby!

Well said. Something about Misty and her speech and her mannerism's seem FAKE to me. FAKE and MANIPULATIVE.

cuppy199
02-15-2009, 08:17 PM
And sometimes prople just don't want to know. I would sleep better not knowing that there are 579 registered sex offenders in my city of 130,000, as well as Lord only knows how many non-registered ones.

So true:) Honestly though I think alot of people dont know because they were never informed that there was such a place on the internet to look it up.Alot people either dont have the internet or arent internet savy. Or dont look on forums and such:)

panthera
02-15-2009, 08:17 PM
Nope. I'm guessing one in the same!
Ohhhhhh! :eek:

catch_22
02-15-2009, 08:18 PM
Sad to say, but maybe his immediate reaction in the 911 call speaks to just that....that he realized the most likely scenario was that one of the nearby SO's had his girl....as opposed to her having just gone out and gotten lost or wandered off.

i agree. i think this is why he wasn't running around outside looking for her. because he knew she couldn't open that door so someone had to come in and take her.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:18 PM
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do

Does anyone know what received means in this database?

Date he registered his current address.

panthera
02-15-2009, 08:19 PM
So true:) Honestly though I think alot of people dont know because they were never informed that there was such a place on the internet to look it up.Alot people either dont have the internet or arent internet savy. Or dont look on forums and such:)
And often times people in RC's age group just wouldn't think of looking anything like that up. Myspace is much more fun! On the other hand, maybe RC did know about them and that's why he was so quick to believe Haleigh was abducted. MOO

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 08:19 PM
I've been told that Haleigh was at school on Monday last week.

Was it by that MySpace lady you told us about last week? She never really says that Haleigh was in school, IIRC.

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 08:19 PM
SWAG said:

I don't remember which interview - but dad was talking about the "circle" (which is actually a hole bored into the frame) and how he put it up high enough so Haleigh couldn't reach it.

SG said:

i remember it too swag, but don't remember where originaly. but it has been mentioned time and again on just about every episode of NG , JVM, and GVS

Thanks! I guess I missed the particular interview.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:20 PM
Being the paranoid sort that I am we always rekeyed the locks when we moved in. Just knowing how many complex workers have abused their key access privileges is enough for me. If I ever disappear hubby will know I didn't go willingly and no one smoothed talked me into a car. He frequently jokes that if a uniformed officer in a police cruiser wanted to take me in off the side of the road I would refuse wanting proof that he is really a cop. He is probably right though.

You would be right to ask if you lived around here. We currently have someone posing as LE (plain vehicle with lights n all) wearing a LE uniform n fake badge pulling over lone female drivers at night and raping them. He has hit from S. Alabama to NW Florida. FYI, every LE ( no matter what branch, local, fbi,etc) carries a photo ID card which you can request to see and use your cell to call to verify. LE told the public that due to our fake officer looking so real.

MissJames
02-15-2009, 08:21 PM
When we moved in here, I checked the registry. And then bought a gun, a dog and an alarm.
We don't always have control over where we live, but we can control who comes in our house.
My soon to be husband knows that I have checked up on all of his friends as well as all of my own. He was offended at first, but now he understands.

Good for you, Warrior mom!
Kids with autism.especially ,don't grasp anything as dangerous. We must protect our kids.
Sadly,not everyone has the knowledge or motivation to do that.It's like the parents who don't buckle up their kids because THEY won't get in an accident.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:21 PM
Whew! Took forever to catch up here!
I have a strong feeling that LE knows this was an inside ordeal. They are holding the home right now for a reason. There is now no ground search. I do think they are just waiting for labs to come back.
I feel like in the next week we will see a person of interest and I do believe that will be Misty.
When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Nor does your story change 4 or 5 times.
Poor baby!Poor baby! Grrrrrr! She has a LOT of explaining to do! She is the POI and suspect even if LE will not classify her as such.
It is possible..they both lawyered up when it was said he would not be talking to media (not saying they did..just speculation).

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:21 PM
So true:) Honestly though I think alot of people dont know because they were never informed that there was such a place on the internet to look it up.Alot people either dont have the internet or arent internet savy. Or dont look on forums and such:)

That is exactly why I think that every sex offender should have a sign posted in their yards. Not everyone does have the joys of the internet.
I also think it would be a good idea for each school system to send home a flyer to parents listing the sex offenders in their counties.
jmho

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:22 PM
Poor baby, my @ss. She had a LOT of explaining to do! She is the POI and suspect even if LE will not classify her as such.
It is possible..they both lawyered up when it was said he would not be talking to media (not saying they did..just speculation).

LOL, sorry didn't mean poor misty..I mean poor Haleigh..let me change that cause it really doesn't look right..
:blowkiss:

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 08:22 PM
You would be right to ask if you lived around here. We currently have someone posing as LE (plain vehicle with lights n all) wearing a LE uniform n fake badge pulling over lone female drivers at night and raping them. He has hit from S. Alabama to NW Florida. FYI, every LE ( no matter what branch, local, fbi,etc) carries a photo ID card which you can request to see and use your cell to call to verify. LE told the public that due to our fake officer looking so real.

We had one here in Arkie doing the same thing years back.

Kat
02-15-2009, 08:24 PM
Okay I've been over there ------------> on the internet. Can someone tell why I was looking up info on Walden Parsons please? :D

Honestly, I forgot?

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 08:24 PM
Being the paranoid sort that I am we always rekeyed the locks when we moved in. Just knowing how many complex workers have abused their key access privileges is enough for me. If I ever disappear hubby will know I didn't go willingly and no one smoothed talked me into a car. He frequently jokes that if a uniformed officer in a police cruiser wanted to take me in off the side of the road I would refuse wanting proof that he is really a cop. He is probably right though.

Been there and done that. Made the cop show me his sheild in his wallet before I would roll the window down all the way. He was nice about it. Wanted to know why? I told him it was too easy to buy a police decal and a take down bar [and not that costly to do either] and slap it on a car. Happened when I was a teen. Someone was going out and playing cop on the back roads and grabbing women, raping them and then dropping them off miles from there car.
All he wanted to do was tell me my tail light was out.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:25 PM
Pulling away from the media sent up another flag for me.

djk
02-15-2009, 08:26 PM
I'm not sure how the daddy in this case can get around it when he has to face it down the road but I think LE has said after they get a handle on the Haleigh situation they will look at possibility of sex crime charges against him (daddy) I guess they would have to prove that daddy and minor gf were having sexual contact though. but on the surface seems to me daddy was in the right neighborhood. maybe a lot of other parents in the hood do not mind if their minor children shack up with older men and so that is what draws in these guys?

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 08:27 PM
Bringing this over from the previous thread
I'm sure this may have already been posted but...doing public records search of address of SO Donald Lee Sapp http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...?personId=6441 the address comes up as residence of Jeffrey Griffis.

Maria Griffis: Mother of Crystal Sheffield
Crystal Shefield: Birth Mother of Haleigh Cummings
Chad Griffis: Boyfriend of Crystal Sheffield

Has anyone figured out the connection between these family members?

We discussed this Sapp guy in the wee hours of this morning! I had read about it on another site. He lives in the house that M. Griffis lived in when he died in Jan., 2009. Sapp moved into the Griffis home late Jan., 2009. I do wonder how M. Griffis died. The obit did not say and I do not have a copy of it. The copy was linked on the thread by one of our great posters.

There seems to be a connection between somewhere within the bio Mom's side of the family, IIRC. & IMO.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:27 PM
I'm not sure how the daddy in this case can get around it when he has to face it down the road but I think LE has said after they get a handle on the Haleigh situation they will look at possibility of sex crime charges against him (daddy) I guess they would have to prove that daddy and minor gf were having sexual contact though. but on the surface seems to me daddy was in the right neighborhood. maybe a lot of other parents in the hood do not mind if their minor children shack up with older men and so that is what draws in these guys?

No where have I heard LE say they were gonna look at charges against him. Link please?

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 08:27 PM
SS said:


Many people cannot afford to replace or rekey new locks after moving. It isn't always an option. I don't find that many people who do it on a regular basis. (I should start a new awarness group for that!)

That's not a bad idea, SS.

And MDO: Signs in yards would be a good thing, I'm thinkin'.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 08:28 PM
LOL, sorry didn't mean poor misty..I mean poor Haleigh..let me change that cause it really doesn't look right..
:blowkiss:
You don't have too, we all got the true meanings behind your post and SS's. hahaha Sometimes we gotta blow off steam.

Like SS says, even though LE hasn't named Misty as a POI, we know she is one and will be one til they get another viable POI. She was the last known to see Haleigh, so she ain't cleared and off the list til she is cleared.

Which it is sad if Misty is innocent, but in my eyes, if the shoes were on my feet, I would be so convincing I had nothing to do with Haleigh missing, LE would be announcing it through horns to get me to calm down. I also would have back tracked everyone of our movements days leading up and would have been able to help out LE with suggestions to give them a direction to follow. Because if Misty didn't do it, then somebody came in the home. Somebody has a link somehow and I would be figuring it out.

If a man walked up to me at the convenience store and stared more than one second at me or the children, he would be given over to LE to investigate. I would be investigating everyone myself, LE would have to snatch me back. They would probably have to knock me out to let them do their jobs cause I would question anyone that breathed.

legallee
02-15-2009, 08:28 PM
That is exactly why I think that every sex offender should have a sign posted in their yards. Not everyone does have the joys of the internet.
I also think it would be a good idea for each school system to send home a flyer to parents listing the sex offenders in their counties.
jmho
Our local police department mails out flyers of the sex offenders in our town every year. Every city should do that.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:29 PM
We discussed this Sapp guy in the wee hours of this morning! I had read about it on another site. He lives in the house that M. Griffis lived in when he died in Jan., 2009. Sapp moved into the Griffis home late Jan., 2009. I do wonder how M. Griffis died. The obit did not say and I do not have a copy of it. The copy was linked on the thread by one of our great posters.

There seems to be a connection between somewhere within the bio Mom's side of the family, IIRC. & IMO.


Hit by a car.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=127909&catid=3

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Pulling away from the media sent up another flag for me.

Me too tehcloser!
Each time she had a chance, she told a different story. For some reason, she is able to cry when talking about how much the kids love her, but straighten out when it comes to the details she changes each time she talks.
I don't think anyone went into this house to get this child. If so, there would be footprints. If there were footprints that led close to anyone else home, I do feel they would have put out a public alert, or at least warned the neighbors, who would have warned their friends, who would have warned someone in the schools.
I can almost bet that there are still children in the higher grades in that school who still walk home each day..

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Well said. Something about Misty and her speech and her mannerism's seem FAKE to me. FAKE and MANIPULATIVE.

I agree. Just because we dug up JJL doesn't change the facts...and the facts are that Misty just don't seem quite right. Comlpletely my opinion.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 08:30 PM
Maybe the landlord is someone who, for whatever reason, thinks that it's horrible that SO's are discriminated in housing. I heard a group a few years ago that was actually "feeling sorry" for these people and claiming that some had been falsely accused and were now unable to find housing.

:furious:
No doubt.
Oh Boo Hoo. Cry me a freakin' river!! I was wondering if there are any ACLU type lawsuits where a landlord could get sued for not renting to someone with a record.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:31 PM
That is exactly why I think that every sex offender should have a sign posted in their yards. Not everyone does have the joys of the internet.
I also think it would be a good idea for each school system to send home a flyer to parents listing the sex offenders in their counties.
jmho

My Dad, God rest his soul, was a cranky ol fart. He never let us get ice cream from the truck, said it was dirty. Never let us sleep over friends houses, said he liked knowing where his kids were. Never let us pitch a tent in the backyard, said it would mess up the grass. Called any stranger who talked to us a nasty pervert. Wasn't til I was an adult with my own kids he admitted he was being careful, back then there were no internet sites.

kellync
02-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Pulling away from the media sent up another flag for me.
I'll bet they tried asking some IMPORTANT questions that alot of supporters/neighbors have...

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Date he registered his current address.

Okay, thank you.

So Donald L. Sapp updated his address to 315 Green Lane on 01-26-09 and lists it as a temporary address.

One of the other boards is saying that Lindsay Croslin owns a home with Guy Sapp in the same neighborhood? And that Guy Sapp is old enough to be Donald Sapp's father?

I am sure I missing something that we already know about this guy.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 08:31 PM
I'm not sure how the daddy in this case can get around it when he has to face it down the road but I think LE has said after they get a handle on the Haleigh situation they will look at possibility of sex crime charges against him (daddy) I guess they would have to prove that daddy and minor gf were having sexual contact though. but on the surface seems to me daddy was in the right neighborhood. maybe a lot of other parents in the hood do not mind if their minor children shack up with older men and so that is what draws in these guys?

i don't know what the exact statistics are, but i think there are a lot more "SO's" that are "SO's" for crimes similar to the one ron is currently commiting than there are that are going to commit crimes as serious as child abduction. but they all get grouped together which is kind of unfair, but i guess it's more incentive for anyone to not commit any of these crimes.

JulieR
02-15-2009, 08:32 PM
Whew! Took forever to catch up here!
I have a strong feeling that LE knows this was an inside ordeal. They are holding the home right now for a reason. There is now no ground search. I do think they are just waiting for labs to come back.
I feel like in the next week we will see a person of interest and I do believe that will be Misty.
When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. Nor does your story change 4 or 5 times.
Poor Haleigh!

I so agree with everything you said, but I think it will be father and Misty. I have a feeling she is covering for him. I don't think she could pull this off by herself. JMO

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 08:32 PM
Okay I've been over there ------------> on the internet. Can someone tell why I was looking up info on Walden Parsons please? :D

Honestly, I forgot?

hehehe getting a little buggy eyed eh? well you and a few other wonderful sleuthers have helped LE with these tips, I think are worthy to be looked at which is what I consider LE requests when they say they want the publics help. We did what we were able to do. Kudos Ladies and Men!! :blowkiss:

pirate
02-15-2009, 08:32 PM
Was it by that MySpace lady you told us about last week? She never really says that Haleigh was in school, IIRC.

No- I'm not far from Satsuma and spoke with a friend who's sister is a teacher at Haleigh's school.

Also, in my digging I was told that meth abuse is unlikely.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 08:33 PM
He moved in 2007. Haleigh's family moved in four months ago. Doesn't sound like they crossed paths.

I know dad and gf have been "dating" for four months, are we sure dad and kids didn't move in until that recently... trying to keep it all straight...


Many people cannot afford to replace or rekey new locks after moving. It isn't always an option. I don't find that many people who do it on a regular basis. (I should start a new awarness group for that!)

Change-a-Lock. $10.95. If we can afford computers, cameras and CIGARETTES every week we can afford new locks to keep our children safe. JMO

:parrot:

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Pulling away from the media sent up another flag for me.

Especially when this is supposedly a stranger abduction. No one wants their lives torn apart for inspection in the media, but if you are innocent and psychopath has either killed your 5 year old or is currently using her for whatever sick obsession he has you stay in front of the cameras and beg someone that knows something to please help.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:34 PM
You don't have too, we all got the true meanings behind your post and SS's. hahaha Sometimes we gotta blow off steam.

Like SS says, even though LE hasn't named Misty as a POI, we know she is one and will be one til they get another viable POI. She was the last known to see Haleigh, so she ain't cleared and off the list til she is cleared.

Which it is sad if Misty is innocent, but in my eyes, if the shoes were on my feet, I would be so convincing I had nothing to do with Haleigh missing, LE would be announcing it through horns to get me to calm down. I also would have back tracked everyone of our movements days leading up and would have been able to help out LE with suggestions to give them a direction to follow. Because if Misty didn't do it, then somebody came in the home. Somebody has a link somehow and I would be figuring it out.

If a man walked up to me at the convenience store and stared more than one second at me or the children, he would be given over to LE to investigate. I would be investigating everyone myself, LE would have to snatch me back. They would probably have to knock me out to let them do their jobs cause I would question anyone that breathed.

I would rather tell someone I am sorry for accusing them with no merit, than to not accuse them and be right..KWIM?

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 08:34 PM
This is completely OT-Sorry everyone will have to read another post but,

I am so SICK and DISGUSTED by all of these SO's!

Lane could have had a key, that's for sure...
Yep, and that child could be in Tallahassee. I'm thinking he could have friends back in the old neighborhood. Maybe he was visiting???

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:34 PM
No- I'm not far from Satsuma and spoke with a friend who's sister is a teacher at Haleigh's school.

Also, in my digging I was told that meth abuse is unlikely.

What's the feeling there? SO? Family?

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 08:34 PM
Okay I've been over there ------------> on the internet. Can someone tell why I was looking up info on Walden Parsons please? :D

Honestly, I forgot?

Well, I guess since we think its the same guy as Lane and he once lived in Haleighs home and even though he dosent' fit the profile for 5year olds may know someone who does, or had a roomie that was another SO who did, or gave a key out to someone who is into 5 year olds or has decied he likes them better younger himself. There ar probably a few more reason but I don't remember them now either.

Being snarky now.. sort of.
Hey, maybe Misty was this guys old GF. Now don't go passing that on unless you attach Big Rumor to it...

pirate
02-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Okay, thank you.

So Donald L. Sapp updated his address to 315 Green Lane on 01-26-09 and lists it as a temporary address.

One of the other boards is saying that Lindsay Croslin owns a home with Guy Sapp in the same neighborhood? And that Guy Sapp is old enough to be Donald Sapp's father?

I am sure I missing something that we already know about this guy.


See if anyone can confirm that Guy Sapp is Lindsay's grandfather.

I'm not positive but I think he could be.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 08:37 PM
Okay I've been over there ------------> on the internet. Can someone tell why I was looking up info on Walden Parsons please? :D

Honestly, I forgot?

Easy to do with this cast...When I type in 202 Green Lane in whitepages, it comes up Walden Parsons. At first I thought he was the owner who was renting to the Cummings fella, but now I find he has an alias as Walden J. Lane. And now we have James Lane as another SO being rented to by the same landlord who is renting to Kyle Johns.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:37 PM
No- I'm not far from Satsuma and spoke with a friend who's sister is a teacher at Haleigh's school.

Also, in my digging I was told that meth abuse is unlikely.

Hey Pirate, did you read the post way back that had a laundry list for someone local? Think it had something about taking a camera and snapping pics of the trailer, the windows of the trailer to see what it looks like inside, etc. So......ya gonna do it? LOL

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 08:37 PM
We discussed this Sapp guy in the wee hours of this morning! I had read about it on another site. He lives in the house that M. Griffis lived in when he died in Jan., 2009. Sapp moved into the Griffis home late Jan., 2009. I do wonder how M. Griffis died. The obit did not say and I do not have a copy of it. The copy was linked on the thread by one of our great posters.

There seems to be a connection between somewhere within the bio Mom's side of the family, IIRC. & IMO.

I was able to find a snippet stating he was walking on a bridge & hit by a vehicle...2nd time this happened in 09. Only paid subscribers could see rest of article, I believe it was Palatka Daily News.

JulieR
02-15-2009, 08:38 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:38 PM
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
I would rather tell someone I am sorry for accusing them with no merit, than to not accuse them and be right..KWIM?

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:39 PM
SS said:



That's not a bad idea, SS.

And MDO: Signs in yards would be a good thing, I'm thinkin'.I think so many are unaware. Maybe it would be better to pass a law that makes landlords change locks. You entrust your safety to others when you rent. They should be held accountable.

OK that was OFF topic in a way...I can't see renting to SOs, but we know people make it a habit to do this and it could play a role here.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:39 PM
I was able to find a snippet stating he was walking on a bridge & hit by a vehicle...2nd time this happened in 09. Only paid subscribers could see rest of article, I believe it was Palatka Daily News.

Here's the link to the article...again...lol It moves fast here.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=127909&catid=3

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
No doubt.
Oh Boo Hoo. Cry me a freakin' river!! I was wondering if there are any ACLU type lawsuits where a landlord could get sued for not renting to someone with a record.

Equal housing says you cannot discriminate, but if you run background checks on all applicants and your policy is you do not rent to whatever you have defined then it is not discrimination. Just like declining someone for credit.

panthera
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
They were just talking about Haleigh on Fox News and said LE is re-interviewing the family. Geraldo will have coverage on his show tonight, with Haleigh's mother, grandmother and George Anthony. :)

Leila
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
Bringing this over from the previous thread
I'm sure this may have already been posted but...doing public records search of address of SO Donald Lee Sapp http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...?personId=6441 the address comes up as residence of Jeffrey Griffis.

Maria Griffis: Mother of Crystal Sheffield
Crystal Shefield: Birth Mother of Haleigh Cummings
Chad Griffis: Boyfriend of Crystal Sheffield

Has anyone figured out the connection between these family members?

Nancy Marie Griffis (Sheffield, and maiden name Johns) married Bruce A. Griffis in 2002. I thought perhaps Chad Griffis was an adult son of Bruce. But, I can't find any connection between Bruce and Chad.

What I did find was a 29-year-old Chad Griffis, related to Victor Griffis age 52 and his wife, Deborah Lynn Griffis, age 48, with a sister named Jill, age 25. Note that the Chad Griffis that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to (and is the father of her infant daughter) is 29-years-old.

Is there a relationship between Bruce A. Griffis and Victor Griffis? I'm wondering if they're brothers? That would mean that Crystal Sheffield (bio-mom) is engaged to her step-father's brother's son. There would be no blood relationship.

Mimi
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

I could still do this with my 12 year old if I could lift her with ease...at 5, most definitely! She does not wake up for anything!!! Now my 15 year old- totally opposite story all his life...so yes I have to say it is possible.

pirate
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
What's the feeling there? SO? Family?

Pulling together- keeping quiet amongst their group as I understand it. There are a few degrees of separation between me and folks in the know.

Please don't hold me to any of this as fact but I'll share what I am learning.

I believe the family was advised to stay away from the media and KFN/GA. That was good advice.

Also, the initial anger between parent's families is waning- they are pulling together.

General feeling is that this was not an inside job- but I don't know if that's what is being said or if they really believe that.

Sorry I can't provide anything definite.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

I can pick up my five year old and move her out of the room with out HER making a noise. I on the other hand make lots of noises, cause she is heavy.

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Has anyone checked any of the families myspace or facebook today to see if any relevant comments have been made? Maybe some more details or comments giving us some hints and clues as to the direction this case is going? I can't open up myspace fro some reason, nor facebook. Waahhh, we do need to keep up just in case, ya never know.

There definately is little info coming out, tight tight tight. I've actually never seen a missing case so tight people. Have ya'll? To be considered an abduction, it would seem the public is the best ally in these kind of situations, this really is weird. Surely they would have a description of a suspect seen within the area, or something to broadcast out. No info at all. This is actually in my opinion more weird than LE keeping things close to the vest. Doesn't smell the same to me.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

Me? No, but for Hubby, no problem.

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Gosh..I really don't want to think that this father had anything to do with this..If he did, I think he controlled his gf into taking part in it..If that turns out to be the case, I'll just puke!

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 08:41 PM
i don't know what the exact statistics are, but i think there are a lot more "SO's" that are "SO's" for crimes similar to the one ron is currently commiting than there are that are going to commit crimes as serious as child abduction. but they all get grouped together which is kind of unfair, but i guess it's more incentive for anyone to not commit any of there crimes.

Yea well a grown man w a 13, 14 or 15 year-old might not seem like child molestation to some but if I'd known a day or two sooner about the 29 year-old who hit on my daughter w/in DAYS of her 16th bday, he wouldn't just be fired from Safeway... he'd be sitting in jail trust me. JMO :rolleyes:

How sad that all of this is going on in FLORIDA where little Jessica died and where the law was first named for her, and one of 29 states now I believe where Jessica's Law has been enacted. JMO

:parrot:

panthera
02-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Equal housing says you cannot discriminate, but if you run background checks on all applicants and your policy is you do not rent to whatever you have defined then it is not discrimination. Just like declining someone for credit.
Often times too they're not completely truthful on their rental applications and a landlord can decline them for that reason ~ assuming of course a background check is run. MOO

pirate
02-15-2009, 08:42 PM
Hey Pirate, did you read the post way back that had a laundry list for someone local? Think it had something about taking a camera and snapping pics of the trailer, the windows of the trailer to see what it looks like inside, etc. So......ya gonna do it? LOL

No- I won't. There's something wrong about imposing physically. I can't bring myself to do it. I wanted to search yesterday but I had to wait on a work man at my house.

But I'm putting feelers out everywhere I can.

catch_22
02-15-2009, 08:42 PM
Hey Pirate, did you read the post way back that had a laundry list for someone local? Think it had something about taking a camera and snapping pics of the trailer, the windows of the trailer to see what it looks like inside, etc. So......ya gonna do it? LOL

that would be nice, but i don't know if LE would let someone near there right now. and i'm not sure i'd want to be snooping around there anytime soon if ron still has his gun.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:42 PM
And on a side note, maritime history will be made tonight. Two of the biggest showboats on the same stage. George Anthony will be on Geraldo At Large.
Blech. Although I will watch anyway ~sigh~

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:42 PM
And on a side note, maritime history will be made tonight. Two of the biggest showboats on the same stage. George Anthony will be on Geraldo At Large.Why bother? If you are a Casey supporter...watch. If not...don't give him the ratings. Simple as that.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Pulling together- keeping quiet amongst their group as I understand it. There are a few degrees of separation between me and folks in the know.

Please don't hold me to any of this as fact but I'll share what I am learning.

I believe the family was advised to stay away from the media and KFN/GA. That was good advice.

Also, the initial anger between parent's families is waning- they are pulling together.

General feeling is that this was not an inside job- but I don't know if that's what is being said or if they really believe that.

Sorry I can't provide anything definite.

Don't be sorry!!!! Thank-You for sharing that! :blowkiss:

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Hit by a car.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=127909&catid=3


Thank you, tehcloser.

I saw Geraldo on Fox just a few minutes ago, He said he will be going indepth on the Haleigh case tonight. He will have bio Mom and her Mom on, plus George Anthony. :eek:

He has already stated misinformation by saying that the Dad and GF have passed polygraphs.

Don't miss this hour of gospel tonight! THE GERALDO SHOW! :crazy:

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

I have thought about this too, my understanding is that she was next to the wall. I wonder what size mattress she was on? I mean, if she were on anything other than a single mattress, I would assume that the perp would either have to pull her by her feet, grab her from the top at her head, or bend down to his knees to pull her to him. Either way, it would have woke someone up..

Nana46
02-15-2009, 08:44 PM
And on a side note, maritime history will be made tonight. Two of the biggest showboats on the same stage. George Anthony will be on Geraldo At Large.

You have GOT to be kidding:waitasec:

panthera
02-15-2009, 08:44 PM
I can pick up my five year old and move her out of the room with out HER making a noise. I on the other hand make lots of noises, cause she is heavy.
But could just anybody pick her up and move her? :) I still think it would've been pretty bold especially since it doesn't look like the perp could make a fast getaway out of the area, and how did the perp know nobody with a gun was inside the house? MOO

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Equal housing says you cannot discriminate, but if you run background checks on all applicants and your policy is you do not rent to whatever you have defined then it is not discrimination. Just like declining someone for credit.
So, we can speculate that this landlord is not afraid of a civil lawsuit then. I wonder if he even has them fill out an application...

WillenFan21
02-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

You absoluteley can. When I was babysitting my friends son who is 6 years old I picked him up right off the couch he was sleeping on and put him on the other couch so that I could lay there. He never moved or woke up at all when I picked him up. Its very possible now that I am thinking about this that the intruder just picked a sleeping Haleigh up and then left the house without her waking up.

Kat
02-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Easy to do with this cast...When I type in 202 Green Lane in whitepages, it comes up Walden Parsons. At first I thought he was the owner who was renting to the Cummings fella, but now I find he has an alias as Walden J. Lane. And now we have James Lane as another SO being rented to by the same landlord who is renting to Kyle Johns.

I've been tracking him over here for the past 15 mins or so. Strange that his age is listed as in his 34 but he has absolutely no internet presence that I can find.

I did find another address in Tallahasee FL along with him was a female with the same surname Wanda G.

I see his name in Tallahasee as Walden J. Parsons.

Googled the name and even though the link had a paragraph underneath saying that name and some dates for a high school...I clicked and couldn't locate that name on the list of alumni.

So we've got a guy. With a lot of strange variations on his name (I've never seen that before have you all?)

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:47 PM
Gosh..I really don't want to think that this father had anything to do with this..If he did, I think he controlled his gf into taking part in it..If that turns out to be the case, I'll just puke!I know. Start over and look at this thing. Our sympathy for him could have caused us to misjudge a situation. Just saying...

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 08:47 PM
But could just anybody pick her up and move her? :) I still think it would've been pretty bold especially since it doesn't look like the perp could make a fast getaway out of the area, and how did the perp know nobody with a gun was inside the house? MOO

That is a good question. I don't believe in babysitters, so I don't know if anyone besides me, her father or my fiance could move her.

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 08:47 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

My son is 6 and we play "musical beds" in my house. A couple of weeks ago my husband came and carried my 6-yo out of the bed I was sleeping in, and took him to sleep in another bed. I never heard a thing. Really freaked me out to be honest, but on numerous occasions I have lifted my kids out of bed and they sleep right thru it.

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:48 PM
No- I won't. There's something wrong about imposing physically. I can't bring myself to do it. I wanted to search yesterday but I had to wait on a work man at my house.

But I'm putting feelers out everywhere I can.

I was just kidding, I didn't think you would.:) Don't see you as a stalker peeking into windows, for some reason. But the list was funny!

blubuni99
02-15-2009, 08:48 PM
snipped

If a man walked up to me at the convenience store and stared more than one second at me or the children, he would be given over to LE to investigate. I would be investigating everyone myself, LE would have to snatch me back. They would probably have to knock me out to let them do their jobs cause I would question anyone that breathed.

Just something that happened to me: it was Halloween and my daughter was 3 and she was dressed as a ballerina. My mom worked at a convenience store and wanted us to come show her my daughters costume. My daughter was standing behind the counter with my mom and the line was long. This creepy looking man starred at my daughter the whole time he was in the store. I almost hit him and it seriously scared me and creeped me out. I left soon after with my daughter. But still that guy starring at my daughter - still to this day thinking about it creeps me out. :frown:

catch_22
02-15-2009, 08:48 PM
Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

i would think he would cover her mouth. maybe even carry her out by her head to make sure her mouth stayed well covered? maybe a tv was on? the perp (if there was one) had some inside knowledge of situation. i think he knew ron wasn't there. therefore, unfortunately, he didn't have much to lose. he either gets in and out with the child, or misty wakes up and he runs away without the child. either way, he's probably not getting caught.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 08:48 PM
I hope to GOD that Crystal and her Mom are not there "with" George. Now I am having to rethink why the others pulled away from the media.

txsvicki
02-15-2009, 08:48 PM
Often times too they're not completely truthful on their rental applications and a landlord can decline them for that reason ~ assuming of course a background check is run. MOO

My town in Texas has a newer law that requires SO's to move outside the city limits, but the older ones who are on the list can stay in town. I find it silly because the two best schools districts around here are outside the city limits. My mother rented the cheapest she could afford out there in order to get my grandson into the best school. I wonder if this area of Florida has a similar law and that could be why so many are out there. Of course it's probably cheaper rent to live out in a trailer park, but there could be another reason.

momtective
02-15-2009, 08:49 PM
Nancy Marie Griffis (Sheffield, and maiden name Johns) married Bruce A. Griffis in 2002. I thought perhaps Chad Griffis was an adult son of Bruce. But, I can't find any connection between Bruce and Chad.

What I did find was a 29-year-old Chad Griffis, related to Victor Griffis age 52 and his wife, Deborah Lynn Griffis, age 48, with a sister named Jill, age 25. Note that the Chad Griffis that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to (and is the father of her infant daughter) is 29-years-old.

Is there a relationship between Bruce A. Griffis and Victor Griffis? I'm wondering if they're brothers? That would mean that Crystal Sheffield (bio-mom) is engaged to her step-father's brother's son. There would be no blood relationship.

Thank you Leila...off to sleuth.

Kat
02-15-2009, 08:49 PM
Can someone look at this and tell me what it means?

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1

Line in question:

Wanda Gibson children's line Parsons


TIA

Kimster
02-15-2009, 08:50 PM
i don't know what the exact statistics are, but i think there are a lot more "SO's" that are "SO's" for crimes similar to the one ron is currently commiting than there are that are going to commit crimes as serious as child abduction. but they all get grouped together which is kind of unfair, but i guess it's more incentive for anyone to not commit any of these crimes.

In Oregon, they are classified into three groups and only ONE group is listed on the SO database, the most serious offenders.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Nancy Marie Griffis (Sheffield, and maiden name Johns) married Bruce A. Griffis in 2002. I thought perhaps Chad Griffis was an adult son of Bruce. But, I can't find any connection between Bruce and Chad.

What I did find was a 29-year-old Chad Griffis, related to Victor Griffis age 52 and his wife, Deborah Lynn Griffis, age 48, with a sister named Jill, age 25. Note that the Chad Griffis that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to (and is the father of her infant daughter) is 29-years-old.

Is there a relationship between Bruce A. Griffis and Victor Griffis? I'm wondering if they're brothers? That would mean that Crystal Sheffield (bio-mom) is engaged to her step-father's brother's son. There would be no blood relationship.Yes. It was determined she was engaged to her step brother and had his child already.

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by JulieR

Now this is just a question. I am way passed the having children 5 years old stage, but if your child around 5 was sleeping in the same room with you on a mattress on the floor could you pick her up and carry her out of the room without her making a noise?

If she was used to her daddy coming in during the middle of the night and moving her to another bed, probably, and again, if M is used to him moving around in the middle of the night and turning on lights, she might sleep right through it too.

blubuni99
02-15-2009, 08:52 PM
These threads move SOO fast. I have a few questions:

- DID RC & Co lawyer up?

- Have they said anything else in regards to that evidence they found?

- Is there anything else I missed?

Thanks guys! :blowkiss:

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 08:53 PM
Pulling together- keeping quiet amongst their group as I understand it. There are a few degrees of separation between me and folks in the know.

Please don't hold me to any of this as fact but I'll share what I am learning.

I believe the family was advised to stay away from the media and KFN/GA. That was good advice.

Also, the initial anger between parent's families is waning- they are pulling together.

General feeling is that this was not an inside job- but I don't know if that's what is being said or if they really believe that.

Sorry I can't provide anything definite.

Thank you. I won't hold you to any of it, but just hearing it makes me feel a bit closer and therefore makes me feel as if I am actually helping in some way.
Does that make sense?
Geez, I ask that all the time. Maybe that should be my new sig?

Thank you, Pirate!!

Kimster
02-15-2009, 08:53 PM
And on a side note, maritime history will be made tonight. Two of the biggest showboats on the same stage. George Anthony will be on Geraldo At Large.

O/T: I will not bother to watch it because I'm sick up and fed with Geraldo making promises he can't keep!:mad:

If this DOES turn out to be a new and interesting interview, I'll be happy to wait and watch it on Patty G's video of the event.

Thank you for the public service announcement, tho! :blowkiss:

momtective
02-15-2009, 08:53 PM
Can someone look at this and tell me what it means?

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1

Line in question:

Wanda Gibson children's line Parsons


TIA

Link leads to page with no info

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:53 PM
My town in Texas has a newer law that requires SO's to move outside the city limits, but the older ones who are on the list can stay in town. I find it silly because the two best schools districts around here are outside the city limits. My mother rented the cheapest she could afford out there in order to get my grandson into the best school. I wonder if this area of Florida has a similar law and that could be why so many are out there. Of course it's probably cheaper rent to live out in a trailer park, but there could be another reason.

I live in a very small city, bedroom community to a larger city. What the smaller cities have started to do (and I am hoping ours will as well) is define that a RSO cannot live within a quarter mile of any public or private school, daycare center, church, park or playground. Might be missing a couple things from that list. By the time you map out every single one of those and draw a 1/4 mile radius from them it blocks out the entire city.

scout35
02-15-2009, 08:54 PM
Pertaining to being able to pick up a sleeping child without waking them:

My mother told me that she would stand me up and walk me to my bed and I stayed asleep up until my preteen years. Scary considering it could have been anyone and I would have never woken up! :eek:

Mimi
02-15-2009, 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by JulieR


If she was used to her daddy coming in during the middle of the night and moving her to another bed, probably, and again, if M is used to him moving around in the middle of the night and turning on lights, she might sleep right through it too.

Good points!

Tichad3
02-15-2009, 08:56 PM
And on a side note, maritime history will be made tonight. Two of the biggest showboats on the same stage. George Anthony will be on Geraldo At Large.


OMG That is too funny! You just snapped me out of the major funk I've been in all day.:blowkiss:

supergirl
02-15-2009, 08:57 PM
:puke:
Who knows, but I had a thought if Misty is involved ~ JB could represent her! :D

RoseRed
02-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Only that Jeffrey Michael Griffis, 29, died in Jan 09.

Billye Lee (his wife) supposedly testified in Donald Lee Sapp's trial in the 90s according to a post a few threads back. If that poster is reading, great sleuthing and would you mind sharing a link to the source!? Thanks!

I just found these from Putnam Civil Records

UCN: 542008DR001451FDXXXX
File Date: 2008-10-13 Disposition Date:
File Type: DOM - FD05
Judge: A W NICHOLS III

Plaintiffs
GRIFFIS BILLYE L Defendants
GRIFFIS JEFFFREY M

Date Docket Description
2008-10-13 001.PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE



File Date: 2008-12-30 Disposition Date: 2009-01-14
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS

Plaintiffs
GRIFFIS BILLYE Defendants
GRIFFIS JEFFREY

Then 01-05-09

UCN: 542009DR000007FDXXXX
File Date: 2009-01-05 Disposition Date: 2009-01-05
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS

Plaintiffs
GRIFFIS JEFFREY OBO
GRIFFIS DUNCAN
Defendants
SAPP DONALD

Date Docket Description
2009-01-05 001.PETITION FOR INJUNCTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
2009-01-05 002.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE
2009-01-05 003.ORDER DENYING INJUNCTION - EAM 200954665633

impatientredhead
02-15-2009, 08:58 PM
My son is 6 and we play "musical beds" in my house. A couple of weeks ago my husband came and carried my 6-yo out of the bed I was sleeping in, and took him to sleep in another bed. I never heard a thing. Really freaked me out to be honest, but on numerous occasions I have lifted my kids out of bed and they sleep right thru it.

If it was a total stranger do you think both of you would have slept through it? I am not a deep sleeper and rarely sleep through my husband getting out of bed, a total stranger in my room I know would wake me up but I know that varies from person to person.

I do have a hard time believing Misty, Junior and Haleigh all slept through an intruder coming into the house, then into the bedroom they were all sleeping in, and made off into the night without disturbing a soul. I know kids get taken from their beds but they are generally in other rooms.

Khaki_Pants
02-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Pertaining to being able to pick up a sleeping child without waking them:

My mother told me that she would stand me up and walk me to my bed and I stayed asleep up until my preteen years. Scary considering it could have been anyone and I would have never woken up! :eek:

My middle son was like this and so was his father when he was a boy. My husband was cught by his mother one night trying to leave the house with the telvision set in his arms! :eek: Had NO recollection of any of these things.

They'llDanceInHeaven
02-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by SWAG1959


I don't hear him saying he installed the deadbolt in the Greta interview. Did he state that elsewhere?




http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html

According to the website above, the addresses listed are:

"According to our research of the Florida and other state lists there were 23 registered sex offenders living in zip code 32189 in early 2007."

This is where the 2007 date came in.
I heard that two ! I still think...what about u

believe bio mom would of questioned the heck out of JR when custody turned over...
Seems weird bio mom and GM changed their tune with dad and GF. Now apoligetic
I belive someone she of family knows was their erarlier or days previous, unlocked door knowing it is not used
Misty would not confess to not checking the lock
I also believe she would run in and out as the kids slept to smoke a cig...or visit some of her fam.
I am quite sure she did this for a while maybey for only a few min. at first..no probleums so she became more comfortable with doing so...taking longer breaks away
all her weirdness may simply be she does not what the bio dad (her bf)to know
he would not forgive her and she would be out on the streets..I bet she did truly love those kids and gave them the bet care she knew how..also remember when i babysat i was a good sitter ..but did some dumb things..that i would never do with my own children ( I had my first child at 18) things are differnt when you carry a child
*especially because her childhood was so bad...90% of the time children raised this way will swear they would never treat their children as they were treated..
however that does not mean she did not do some dumb irresponsable things and behaviors.

Her patterns when bio dad was not home may have peeked the interest of any SO maybey even a visitor at her brother and Linsey's house. She could very well stop by over there to have a quick smoke and have someone to talk to, leaving the kids unattended and locked front door always...but did not check the unused door to make sure it was still locked..

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 09:00 PM
Can someone look at this and tell me what it means?

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1

Line in question:

Wanda Gibson children's line Parsons


TIA

childrens line would mean the kids land line phone. Many times they give you the telephone listings potentials, until you register and pay then they give you the complete info. Are you a member and did you pay and register? If so, we can look up all these involved and get more.

Oh I know a good search engine ladies and we do need to re-run all our names, the strangers and family involved that we've pulled up to date if it hasn't been done already and I haven't seen any of our sleuthers doing the sleuthing having mentioned this search tool and it's a winner! www.veromi.com (http://www.veromi.com) It will pull up even boyfriends, past room mates, anyone you may have had contact with, children, aunts, uncles, parents, grandsparents, etc... it's the best and I think better than intellius.

Has anyone used veromi yet? on anyone to date?

kellync
02-15-2009, 09:00 PM
O.K. we can pick up a 5 year old and possibly move her without her making a noise or waking up. ok, sounds reasonable...
Can we pick up a 5 year old who is sleeping beside of a 17 year old, move the 5 year old without her making a sound or waking up and walk that 5 year old out of the house and into the night without waking up the 17 yr old?

Kat
02-15-2009, 09:00 PM
Okay thank you Momtective.

I think I figured it out. The W. Parsons we have been looking at, is listed along with a Wanda G. (same surname) in Tallahasee FL.

G stands for Gibson if we go by the intelius listing.

Since it indicates that it's a children's line they must have had a phone at one time for the children.

I see a few other names too. I'm looking them up on the internet but no luck as of yet. Trying to find W. Parsons through a back door.

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 09:00 PM
I would love for LE to find Haleigh safe and sound. I hope they do. However, given the length of time she has been gone, she may be deceased (as in murdered).

These words are not easy to say, but if Haleigh is deceased, the longer this goes on the harder a COD will be to determine. It is still too fresh in our minds how little Caylee was found.

Lord, please let Haleigh be found!

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Why is GA going to be on? I bet he won't be WITH the mom and gma - but separate interviews. Wasn't he turned away with KFN?

Oh wait, GA initially met with the DAD's side - um could he have switched sides now? I don't get it.

As for starting over and taking a new, fresh look at dad. I already have - and I can't rule him out. The 911 call is "too angry" - he's "too definitive" that someone "took her". He's very angry but I don't think that anger is anchored in Haleigh missing - more like he's angry because he came home early and gf wasn't there but Haleigh was up and tried to, in her own innocent way, defend gf by saying "but daddy, I'm a big girl, I can watch out for jr. Misty isn't gone long usually/" Which would have "set daddy off" and an "accident" happened. He's mad because gf caused him to do something he shouldn't have. Sound familiar?

Kimster
02-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Okay, this probably has no bearing on the case since I don't think like a SO because I can't FATHOM this behavior

BUT,

I would think that if someone was so brazen that they would snatch a child of Haleigh's age as she laid next to or even near two others, they would KNOW that they were all sound sleepers. I have two sons and one of them wakes up at the sound of a footstep and ALWAYS has and the other can sleep through a parade of locomotives.

Just seems like the perp has GOT to know these people.

Mimi
02-15-2009, 09:02 PM
O.K. we can pick up a 5 year old and possibly move her without her making a noise or waking up. ok, sounds reasonable...
Can we pick up a 5 year old who is sleeping beside of a 17 year old, move the 5 year old without her making a sound or waking up and walk that 5 year old out of the house and into the night without waking up the 17 yr old?

Another good point..that part does not sound quite as reasonable?!

djk
02-15-2009, 09:02 PM
No where have I heard LE say they were gonna look at charges against him. Link please?

it's one of the videos over in the media section. and it was not the sheriff stating it but rather a reporter stating that a question about the relationship being legal and proper was asked of the sheriff off camera and the sheriff reportedly responded that they will look into that after the Haleigh situation is resolved.

Kat
02-15-2009, 09:03 PM
Oh that's a good site thank you Kool Look! :blowkiss:

No I dont' have a subscription to any sites.

Patty G
02-15-2009, 09:04 PM
well I will just have to try to get thru the interview with mr. eyebrows I suppose:rolleyes:
If the family is avoiding the media then why go on GR?????:bang:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

arielilane
02-15-2009, 09:04 PM
What time does Geraldo come on? Will someone keep us posted (or start a thread) on events being covered by Geraldo? Thank you

scout35
02-15-2009, 09:04 PM
My middle son was like this and so was his father when he was a boy. My husband was cught by his mother one night trying to leave the house with the telvision set in his arms! :eek: Had NO recollection of any of these things.

OT: lol geeze, good thing she caught him! I am definitely the "don't remember anything I say or do" sleeping/just waking up type. My brother was like this when he had fevers. I don't know how many times we would have to catch him before he walked out the front door thinking it was the bathroom!

passionflower
02-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Read this from another site..........about SO Reynolds.........

*Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.*

bowler
02-15-2009, 09:06 PM
well I will just have to try to get thru the interview with mr. eyebrows I suppose:rolleyes:
If the family is avoiding the media then why go on GR?????:bang:

o dear "$$$ maybe"

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 09:06 PM
Read this from another site..........about SO Reynolds.........

*Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.*


There are links in the media thread that say LE do not think he is involved with Haleigh in any way.

Officials said several people have inquired about Chad Reynolds, a sexual predator who disappeared from Marion County. Ryan said although Reynolds has ties to Putnam County, investigators do not believe he is connected to Haleigh’s disappearance.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:06 PM
Read this from another site..........about SO Reynolds.........

*Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.*

YOu ever wonder if he met another SO in prison. When he found out he lived in Putnam, CR said, "I've been there."
So the other guy says, you should come for a visit when you get out. We can go fishing..."

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 09:07 PM
Okay thank you Momtective.

I think I figured it out. The W. Parsons we have been looking at, is listed along with a Wanda G. (same surname) in Tallahasee FL.

G stands for Gibson if we go by the intelius listing.

Since it indicates that it's a children's line they must have had a phone at one time for the children.

I see a few other names too. I'm looking them up on the internet but no luck as of yet. Trying to find W. Parsons through a back door.

try www.veromi.com (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/www.veromi.com) seriously this site is awesome! And no subscriptions required, I can't believe the info you get free of charge.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 09:07 PM
Have we learned anything from LE that would allow us to go in a different direction than the father and Misty? Considering it an "abduction" only means she was taken from her home against her will and does not specify her well being.

Now...do we believe she was still alive when she left the trailer? Not sure I do anymore. I have a new "column" of information which is what they are not telling us from LE. The fact they are not releasing the trailer tells me they believe whatever happened to Haleigh happened there.

kikid
02-15-2009, 09:07 PM
Why is GA going to be on? I bet he won't be WITH the mom and gma - but separate interviews. Wasn't he turned away with KFN?

Oh wait, GA initially met with the DAD's side - um could he have switched sides now? I don't get it.

As for starting over and taking a new, fresh look at dad. I already have - and I can't rule him out. The 911 call is "too angry" - he's "too definitive" that someone "took her". He's very angry but I don't think that anger is anchored in Haleigh missing - more like he's angry because he came home early and gf wasn't there but Haleigh was up and tried to, in her own innocent way, defend gf by saying "but daddy, I'm a big girl, I can watch out for jr. Misty isn't gone long usually/" Which would have "set daddy off" and an "accident" happened. He's mad because gf caused him to do something he shouldn't have. Sound familiar?

hmm, this scenario maybe could work but I'd tweak it as he gets home, she Misty isn't there, he's pissed off to heck and back already.... and Haleigh wakes up and has had an accident. This could send him over the top into a fit of rage if he's already angry & tired. Especially if she is crying and won't stop.

I don't personally believe this is what happened but anything is a possibility at this point.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 09:08 PM
I just found these from Putnam Civil Records

UCN: 542008DR001451FDXXXX
File Date: 2008-10-13 Disposition Date:
File Type: DOM - FD05
Judge: A W NICHOLS III

Plaintiffs
GRIFFIS BILLYE L Defendants
GRIFFIS JEFFFREY M

Date Docket Description
2008-10-13 001.PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE


File Date: 2008-12-30 Disposition Date: 2009-01-14
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS

Plaintiffs
GRIFFIS BILLYE Defendants
GRIFFIS JEFFREY

Then 01-05-09

UCN: 542009DR000007FDXXXX
File Date: 2009-01-05 Disposition Date: 2009-01-05
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS

Plaintiffs
GRIFFIS JEFFREY OBO
GRIFFIS DUNCAN
Defendants
SAPP DONALD

Date Docket Description
2009-01-05 001.PETITION FOR INJUNCTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
2009-01-05 002.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE
2009-01-05 003.ORDER DENYING INJUNCTION - EAM 200954665633

So this DSapp SOB had an injunction (PO) against him for domestic violence as recently as a month ago? Good grief!

:parrot:

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 09:09 PM
O.K. we can pick up a 5 year old and possibly move her without her making a noise or waking up. ok, sounds reasonable...
Can we pick up a 5 year old who is sleeping beside of a 17 year old, move the 5 year old without her making a sound or waking up and walk that 5 year old out of the house and into the night without waking up the 17 yr old?

Without knowing exactly where all three were sleeping we will never know. Her story has changed so many times we can't even get one of the most important pieces of this puzzle put together.

Carrington
02-15-2009, 09:10 PM
Trailer:
Hardwood
Tile
Carpet
Anyone know?

Kimster
02-15-2009, 09:10 PM
Have we learned anything from LE that would allow us to go in a different direction than the father and Misty? Considering it an "abduction" only means she was taken from her home against her will.

Now...do we believe she was still alive when she left the trailer? Not sure I do anymore. I have a new "column" of information which is what they are not telling us from LE. The fact they are not releasing the trailer tells me they believe whatever happened to Haleigh happened there.

SS. you and I think so much alike sometimes it is skeery!

This is exactly where my head started to take me last night...

:yow::raincloud::no:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 09:11 PM
Have we learned anything from LE that would allow us to go in a different direction than the father and Misty? Considering it an "abduction" only means she was taken from her home against her will.

Now...do we believe she was still alive when she left the trailer? Not sure I do anymore. I have a new "column" of information which is what they are not telling us from LE. The fact they are not releasing the trailer tells me they believe whatever happened to Haleigh happened there.

I think she died in the trailer. That's why they have not released it. The washing of the blankets were getting rid of evidence. And I still go back to if there was any way that LE could say Misty and Ron were cleared they would...it would help the case to go in the right direction. imo.