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Sleuthster
02-15-2009, 09:30 PM
Thank you :blowkiss:

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 09:30 PM
thankx windchime!

Luvin' the Valentine's display!!

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 09:31 PM
Thank you for the thread and the warning on the last one.

KaylynnCouture
02-15-2009, 09:32 PM
Thanks Windchime :)

kathyn2
02-15-2009, 09:33 PM
Can anyone tell me if anything new is going on in this case? Its difficult to find any information. Also, what is the warning?

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 09:33 PM
If we were going to suspect Misty of having been responsible for Haleigh's disappearance this is the most logical explanation I've seen.

So following that thought, there is contention between Dad and bio-mom. When the kids go to visit bio-mom, she might have been asking the kids about their life in that trailer with Dad and Misty. Like for instance, what does she cook for you to eat? Does she let you... Does she make you...

If she were angry enough I can see her making remarks, letting the children know that Misty was not their Mother and they didn't have to listen to her or do such and such if they didn't want to.

Then might have a situation where Haleigh or she and her brother were telling Misty what they didn't have to do because "she wasn't their Momma"

I could see where that could possibly set off a young woman with little to no other options other than staying in that relationship. She could snap. I never thought that Misty would have snapped but I can see where this might happen given the right circumstances.

I, myself, am still not sure what happened to Haleigh.

I have been through this before at 17 years old! My stepsons were 3 and 1..I know what it was like. I wasn't able to discipline, or even send the 3 year old to time out. He told me I wasn't his mom, and that his mom would beat me up. My stepkids mom left them a year later, and I have raised them since, yet for years I endured alot of anger that their mom instilled in them. There was times I would leave them with their dad, and go back home to my mom and dad overnight because it hurt my feelings so bad yet couldn't get on to them because I knew it wasn't their faults.
Mind you, my stepkids loved me and would tell their mother they did.
I think with Ron and bio mom's relationship already rocky, those kids were questioned about each other in both homes. And I am sure that Misty got the brunt of the backlash from it all..
Misty is the only one who can't keep her story straight. I think she did something horrible.

Sleuthster
02-15-2009, 09:33 PM
Can anyone tell me if anything new is going on in this case? Its difficult to find any information. Also, what is the warning?

Warning in advance that the thread was going to close I assume.

Nana46
02-15-2009, 09:34 PM
OK I have to ask again..how is the dad doing a 3-3 shift of 12 hours?
If he picks up his child and gets her home after school there is no way he can work 3-3:waitasec:

KOOL LOOK
02-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Got me again hehehe

Good night everyone. I have enjoyed to the fullest. May there be quick resolve for Haleigh and those who care and adore her. I am grateful for the warm cozy atmosphere I've had the pleasure in posting in these few days around here and I owe it all to each and everyone of you.

I will be here again tomorrow, I've been sick and have been healing up, have sweet dreams.

Maybe we'll have that forum tomorrow, we're reaching our highest of plateaus for one subject for websleuths without it being a forum and we haven't even recieved any info, or poi's named yet. This case may be around for a while, it looks like. Take care, peace and love to you all.

Thank you mods for the excellence in being prompt and maintaining this forum for all of our posting pleasures. Websleuths rocks!

KaylynnCouture
02-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Can anyone tell me if anything new is going on in this case? Its difficult to find any information. Also, what is the warning?

The warning on the last thread was just that it was going to close, so that people would know to move over to this one.

I don't think there is anything new except police vow that they aren't scaling back the search, but they moved the search headquarters.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Can anyone tell me if anything new is going on in this case? Its difficult to find any information. Also, what is the warning?

Not really anything new. ANd we actually got warning that the last thread was closing.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 09:35 PM
OK I have to ask again..how is the dad doing a 3-3 shift of 12 hours?
If he picks up his child and gets her home after school there is no way he can work 3-3:waitasec:

I don't have an answer, but it makes me wonder too.

Sleuthster
02-15-2009, 09:36 PM
Got me again hehehe

Good night everyone. I have enjoyed to the fullest. May there be quick resolve for Haleigh and those who care and adore her. I am grateful for the warm cozy atmosphere I've had the pleasure in posting in these few days around here and I owe it all to each and everyone of you.

I will be here again tomorrow, I've been sick and have been healing up, have sweet dreams.

Maybe we'll have that forum tomorrow, we're reaching our highest of plateaus for one subject for websleuths without it being a forum and we haven't even recieved any info, or poi's named yet. This case may be around for a while, it looks like. Take care, peace and love to you all.

Thank you mods for the excellence in being prompt and maintaining this forum for all of our posting pleasures. Websleuths rocks!

OMG I worship the monkey. Everytime I see your avatar I think it is soo cool.
Hope u feel better, sweet dreams.

Kat
02-15-2009, 09:37 PM
Frankly, bio-mom didn't seem to have much insight on the kids lives. When asked on NG about Haleigh's absences from school, she didn't know why, or how often she was absent, or much of anything. If it were me, I'd be all over those details and ragging on bio-dad to get his act together! By Absolutely Addicted

Oh I agree. I was reading in one of the earlier threads and bio-Mom really hemmed and hawed on questions about the children and also as to why she doesn't have custody.

She said IIRC something along the lines that she didn't have custody because she didn't want to keep the kids from Ronnie so she let them visit. He filed for custody and etc...

Here is the deal though, someone else posted that in the doc thread bio-mom had left the kids with Ronnie for three months before he filed for custody.

OT but you want to know how we got custody of my two step daughters? Their Mom sent them to visit us a week after we got married and after they had been with us 2 yrs and moved once (to Germany) we filed for custody. So it was a visit that went on in her mind for 2 years...heh. (no visits or calls from mom either)

Anyhoo, back on topic. I'm not sure we can discount the theory that bio-mom might have been mad enough to say things in front of or to the children to make them dislike or disobey Misty (not deliberately on the kids part).

I just thought it the most logical reasoning I've seen for the theory of why Misty would injure Haleigh and possibly hide her body.

I really don't know.

KaylynnCouture
02-15-2009, 09:37 PM
OK I have to ask again..how is the dad doing a 3-3 shift of 12 hours?
If he picks up his child and gets her home after school there is no way he can work 3-3:waitasec:

Yeah, I've seen this asked several times since the case first broke and I don't think anyone (not even LE) knows the answer to this. The only things I can speculate is that he was late for work?

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 09:38 PM
OK I have to ask again..how is the dad doing a 3-3 shift of 12 hours?
If he picks up his child and gets her home after school there is no way he can work 3-3:waitasec:

I don't think I've seen any confirmation anywhere stating those were his hours. I think it started as an assumption on someone's part. Frankly, it would surprise me that crane operators would be allowed to work 12-hour shifts....like truck drivers, you'd think they would be mandated to have some time off to rest after 10 hours for safety reasons.

Kat
02-15-2009, 09:39 PM
I have been through this before at 17 years old! My stepsons were 3 and 1..I know what it was like. I wasn't able to discipline, or even send the 3 year old to time out. He told me I wasn't his mom, and that his mom would beat me up. My stepkids mom left them a year later, and I have raised them since, yet for years I endured alot of anger that their mom instilled in them. There was times I would leave them with their dad, and go back home to my mom and dad overnight because it hurt my feelings so bad yet couldn't get on to them because I knew it wasn't their faults.
Mind you, my stepkids loved me and would tell their mother they did.
I think with Ron and bio mom's relationship already rocky, those kids were questioned about each other in both homes. And I am sure that Misty got the brunt of the backlash from it all..
Misty is the only one who can't keep her story straight. I think she did something horrible.

Oh I get what you are saying and I've seen this scenario plenty of times!

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 09:40 PM
OK I have to ask again..how is the dad doing a 3-3 shift of 12 hours?
If he picks up his child and gets her home after school there is no way he can work 3-3:waitasec:

I wonder if this was an everyday thing as well. He could have asked to go in a little late, take the cut in pay since they only had one vehicle.
But then I don't understand why she didn't get off the bus at her home too..

sweetmop
02-15-2009, 09:40 PM
Got me again hehehe

Good night everyone. I have enjoyed to the fullest. May there be quick resolve for Haleigh and those who care and adore her. I am grateful for the warm cozy atmosphere I've had the pleasure in posting in these few days around here and I owe it all to each and everyone of you.

I will be here again tomorrow, I've been sick and have been healing up, have sweet dreams.

Maybe we'll have that forum tomorrow, we're reaching our highest of plateaus for one subject for websleuths without it being a forum and we haven't even recieved any info, or poi's named yet. This case may be around for a while, it looks like. Take care, peace and love to you all.

Thank you mods for the excellence in being prompt and maintaining this forum for all of our posting pleasures. Websleuths rocks!
Peace & love to you too KOOL LOOK. I hope there is resolve in this tragic case soon!
Good night, and sweet dreams to you as well. KOOL LOOK. I hope you feel brand new tomorrow. :blowkiss:

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 09:41 PM
Yeah, I've seen this asked several times since the case first broke and I don't think anyone (not even LE) knows the answer to this. The only things I can speculate is that he was late for work?
Or maybe just had an arrangement with his supervisor that on school days he had to pickup his daughter from the bus stop and then would come straight to work.

If he worked say Fri - Tues - he would only be late 3 days a week.

IDK - I just know people who have had similar arrangements with work to work around children and school schedules.

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 09:43 PM
I have been through this before at 17 years old! My stepsons were 3 and 1..I know what it was like. I wasn't able to discipline, or even send the 3 year old to time out. He told me I wasn't his mom, and that his mom would beat me up. My stepkids mom left them a year later, and I have raised them since, yet for years I endured alot of anger that their mom instilled in them. There was times I would leave them with their dad, and go back home to my mom and dad overnight because it hurt my feelings so bad yet couldn't get on to them because I knew it wasn't their faults.
Mind you, my stepkids loved me and would tell their mother they did.
I think with Ron and bio mom's relationship already rocky, those kids were questioned about each other in both homes. And I am sure that Misty got the brunt of the backlash from it all..
Misty is the only one who can't keep her story straight. I think she did something horrible.

That is so sad, mydailyopinions. I am sorry the kids had to endure that with their Mom and that you had to have that happen to you.

Sometimes kids are used as pawns and also one or both parents try to pit the kids against each other. This is so wrong. It is the little children who suffer in this type situation. I see yours was different, but still sorry it had to be the way it was.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:44 PM
OK I have to ask again..how is the dad doing a 3-3 shift of 12 hours?
If he picks up his child and gets her home after school there is no way he can work 3-3:waitasec:

Yeah! What she said!

Nana46
02-15-2009, 09:44 PM
I promised myself I would not leave the KC case mess and here I am on this one.....I need help.:bang:
Why do I feel I have deserted Caylee? Do I feel then that I am deserting this little girl? I can't really do one darn thing but sleuth and pray for all the little ones taken too soon.:furious:

Kat
02-15-2009, 09:46 PM
In fact if you go further with the theory that Misty snapped and it resulted in Haleigh injured or dying then the washing of the blankets, the staged look to the door being wide open and the cinder block appearing on the ramp to prop the door open...kind of makes sense...JMO

ETA: And Misty is the last known person with Haleigh that we know of too.

momtective
02-15-2009, 09:46 PM
Bringing this over from the previous thread because both of Misty's brothers work in construction...drywall...could be a link there.

Originally posted by Notmykids

LANE, JAMES J

Associated names:

LANE, JAMES D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

J & FAMILY CONSTRUCTION INC General Contractors-Single-Family Houses
J & FAMILY CONSTRUCTION INC General Contractors-Single-Family Houses
J & FAMILY CONSTRUCTION INC General Contractors-Single-Family Houses
J & FAMILY CONSTRUCTION INC General Contractors-Single-Family Houses
J & FAMILY CONSTRUCTION INC General Contractors-Single-Family Houses
J & FAMILY CONSTRUCTION, INC
Available(3) Available SATSUMA, FL
SAN MATEO, FL
EAST PALATKA, FL
BLACKSHEAR, GA Possible Relatives:

GILLLANE, JULIE (Age 30)
LANE, KAY P
LANE, PHYLLIS K (Age 56)
LANE, HARRY W (Age 59)
LANE, PHILLIP S (Age 31)
PARSONS, WALDEN J (Age 35)


Veromi.com info on JJL. Do construction companies repair air conditioners?

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 09:46 PM
Here's a question for everyone. If we work backwards, what was found during the searches to convince TM that this would not end happily? What could have been found that would suggest this?

Nana46
02-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Or maybe just had an arrangement with his supervisor that on school days he had to pickup his daughter from the bus stop and then would come straight to work.

If he worked say Fri - Tues - he would only be late 3 days a week.

IDK - I just know people who have had similar arrangements with work to work around children and school schedules.

This makes sense until I think back to all the days about her missing so much school..........arrrrgh....I wish I could turn off this dang computer.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:47 PM
How about this? Perhaps Misty walked to the bus stop and walked the kids back home. That could explain some of the scents the dogs picked up?

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:48 PM
I promised myself I would not leave the KC case mess and here I am on this one.....I need help.:bang:
Why do I feel I have deserted Caylee? Do I feel then that I am deserting this little girl? I can't really do one darn thing but sleuth and pray for all the little ones taken too soon.:furious:
Personally, I think anything you can do to help any missing child is a tribute to Caylee. :blowkiss:

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 09:48 PM
I cannot stand Geraldo, but I will be interested in seeing the bio Mom's demeanor on the show.

George I can do without.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 09:48 PM
Here's a question for everyone. If we work backwards, what was found during the searches to convince TM that this would not end happily? What could have been found that would suggest this?

Was it something that was found, or just information from LE?

Nana46
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
How about this? Perhaps Misty walked to the bus stop and walked the kids back home. That could explain some of the scents the dogs picked up?

Good point!
Question....did I read here the command center was moved? If so are there still media, vigils,etc. people gathering at the home site?

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
This makes sense until I think back to all the days about her missing so much school..........arrrrgh....I wish I could turn off this dang computer.
Those could be days when Misty and co. overslept?

kellync
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
Here's a question for everyone. If we work backwards, what was found during the searches to convince TM that this would not end happily? What could have been found that would suggest this?
Absolutely nothing, thats the problem

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
Ronald Cummings: "where is my f'ing phone...we've got better people to talk to then some mother f'ers who ain't coming."

I wonder who Ron thought better people would be. States Attorney office maybe. I have to wonder why Ron felt that his own local LE would not come.
Le did say that they have never had to respond to his home prio so it can't be that he knows from first hand experiance. How about Misty's brothers place. Any way we can find service call records to other address in the neighborhood. I know we saw them in Caylee's case but I was not sure if it was because there had already been an arrest and that info was in with the doc dump under sunshine law.

There are so many people who could be involved with this.

Now as far as Ron not being at work and then getting home at 3:27 or so he would have to be stupid to think that they would not check work records or co-workers. He has been arrested before so he has to know how LE works. His mother is a dispatcher so she knows how things work. Why would he outright lie about getting Haliegh off the bus. LE call the school, interview the driver and finds out nada. Does not make any sense.
It's Misty that is the problem to me. Bond said it last night. The fact that the call to Ron is just as he is coming home from work is suspect. Why wait to call 911. Call 911 then call him since she he had a cell phone it wasn't like she coudln't reach him anytime she want'ed. What if she had woke up at 2:30 would she wait intill he got home to call 911.

Work shift times is a hard one to figure out. Companies run all different times for shifts outside of the stand 7-3,3-11,11-7 and then overtime can be added to the front end or the back end of a shift and some companies split it up and have you come in earlier and stay later both.

I also can not believe after day 5 that if Ron had not been at work we wouldn't have heard something from someone by now. Maybe not LE but one of the workers themselves or one of the wives of the workersthat they told who told someone else.

This guy may not have a extensive education but wouldn't you have to be pretty stooopid to not know they would check with his boss. They even do that on TV.

panthera
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
Here's a question for everyone. If we work backwards, what was found during the searches to convince TM that this would not end happily? What could have been found that would suggest this?
The only thing I can think of is blood, if anything at all really has been found. :waitasec:

mydailyopinions
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
That is so sad, mydailyopinions. I am sorry the kids had to endure that with their Mom and that you had to have that happen to you.

Sometimes kids are used as pawns and also one or both parents try to pit the kids against each other. This is so wrong. It is the little children who suffer in this type situation. I see yours was different, but still sorry it had to be the way it was.

Thank you LaLaw...It was difficult, their mom left and signed over her rights to them a long time ago. Now 15 and almost 14, they are my life. We have 4 now and it is very hard for me to say they are my stepkids, they are just as much mine as my husbands, and I love for someone to tell me they look like me..he..he..and so do they. I forgave their mother a very long time ago, because it could have been much worse..
I am very lucky.
I can imagine with no job, no car, Misty more than likely had it rough. I don't feel sorry for her because just like me, she had a choice and she chose to be with him knowing he had children full time. But I can imagine how it may have been. I just hope that she didn't take something out on Haleigh that was not her fault..

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:50 PM
Good point!
Question....did I read here the command center was moved? If so are there still media, vigils,etc. people gathering at the home site?
I don't know, but will watch for an answer!

Nana46
02-15-2009, 09:50 PM
I cannot stand Geraldo, but I will be interested in seeing the bio Mom's demeanor on the show.

George I can do without.

Totally............gagging here about GA.....sorry.:eek:

Kat
02-15-2009, 09:51 PM
I cannot stand Geraldo, but I will be interested in seeing the bio Mom's demeanor on the show.

George I can do without.

LaLaw my Husband has a nickname for Geraldo that I can't share on here without getting either a major time out or banned for life.

I do want to watch about GA though. I was a strong supporter of him during his crisis and I want to see if I was right or if he will prove me wrong. Morbid fascination.

Kimster
02-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Okay, I am back and sleuthing MySpace. I'll report anything I find!

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 09:53 PM
The work schedule could be 3 twelve hour days with 4 days off. Then the next week four days on and 3 days off. LE and Corrections work this way here. It would really only make sense, tho, if the company Ronald works for is a 24/7 operation.

momtective
02-15-2009, 09:54 PM
I was wondering if maybe we can get one of the family friends to come here and maybe help us out with the who's who in relation to the SO's intertwined within the family.
What do y'all think?
I see several of them online on their myspaces. Would an invite be in violation of TOS/ Would it be helpful or just cause choas?
What do y'all think?

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 09:54 PM
Thank you LaLaw...It was difficult, their mom left and signed over her rights to them a long time ago. Now 15 and almost 14, they are my life. We have 4 now and it is very hard for me to say they are my stepkids, they are just as much mine as my husbands, and I love for someone to tell me they look like me..he..he..and so do they. I forgave their mother a very long time ago, because it could have been much worse..
I am very lucky.
I can imagine with no job, no car, Misty more than likely had it rough. I don't feel sorry for her because just like me, she had a choice and she chose to be with him knowing he had children full time. But I can imagine how it may have been. I just hope that she didn't take something out on Haleigh that was not her fault..

Good for you for sticking it out and good for you for walking away when it hurt.
I can't imagine how heartbreaking that must have been. And I get the feeling you walked away rather than run down the bio-mom. I'm glad you have come through this and found happiness.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 09:54 PM
I promised myself I would not leave the KC case mess and here I am on this one.....I need help.:bang:
Why do I feel I have deserted Caylee? Do I feel then that I am deserting this little girl? I can't really do one darn thing but sleuth and pray for all the little ones taken too soon.:furious:


Yup, I felt the same way...so I turned off the computer, took my kids out, played with them in the snow and then we made cookies. That made it better.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 09:56 PM
I was wondering if maybe we can get one of the family friends to come here and maybe help us out with the who's who in relation to the SO's intertwined within the family.
What do y'all think?
I see several of them online on their myspaces. Would an invite be in violation of TOS/ Would it be helpful or just cause choas?
What do y'all think?

I think asking family and friends about SO's involved with their family...will get you laughed at at the least and cussed at at the worst. I can't see that being welcomed....lol But go for it.....:blowkiss:

alwaysonmymind
02-15-2009, 09:57 PM
I wonder if this was an everyday thing as well. He could have asked to go in a little late, take the cut in pay since they only had one vehicle.
But then I don't understand why she didn't get off the bus at her home too..

From what I've seen on the news reports, the roads look pretty narrow. The bus would need a decent road and be able to turn around. moo

momtective
02-15-2009, 09:59 PM
I think asking family and friends about SO's involved with their family...will get you laughed at at the least and cussed at at the worst. I can't see that being welcomed....lol But go for it.....:blowkiss:

Probably...lol but we are looking for a 5 year old little girl and I'm sure that their friends have no idea WS even exists or the extent of the vast amount of knowledge and talent here. I would think that maybe, just maybe they would feel like they were contributing to finding Haleigh.
Hey, I've been laughed at and cussed at...:woohoo: I can take it...lol

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 10:00 PM
Yeah, I've seen this asked several times since the case first broke and I don't think anyone (not even LE) knows the answer to this. The only things I can speculate is that he was late for work?


She's only 5, right? So she would be in kindergarten? Our kindergarten classes run from 8:00 to 11 something, so that would give someone time to pick up a child, get the child home and get to work by 3:00 p.m.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:00 PM
Geraldo anyone?

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:01 PM
Searcher today reporting nothing and that the items previously found as well as SO Chad, not importnat to the case.
Per Geraldo.

Kat
02-15-2009, 10:01 PM
I wonder if this was an everyday thing as well. He could have asked to go in a little late, take the cut in pay since they only had one vehicle.
But then I don't understand why she didn't get off the bus at her home too..


We know that Haleigh had Turners syndrome (is that correct?). One of the pictures that I saw of her made me think that she might have special needs. I'm wondering if it is possible she was on an IEP? It's a stretch but if she was, the school district usually arranges for the children to be delivered close to their home by bus. I had to on pre-school IEP's for speech delay and the bus picked them up and dropped them off at my door. Just a thought, it's kind of out there though.

WillenFan21
02-15-2009, 10:01 PM
If we were going to suspect Misty of having been responsible for Haleigh's disappearance this is the most logical explanation I've seen.

So following that thought, there is contention between Dad and bio-mom. When the kids go to visit bio-mom, she might have been asking the kids about their life in that trailer with Dad and Misty. Like for instance, what does she cook for you to eat? Does she let you... Does she make you...

If she were angry enough I can see her making remarks, letting the children know that Misty was not their Mother and they didn't have to listen to her or do such and such if they didn't want to.

Then might have a situation where Haleigh or she and her brother were telling Misty what they didn't have to do because "she wasn't their Momma"

I could see where that could possibly set off a young woman with little to no other options other than staying in that relationship. She could snap. I never thought that Misty would have snapped but I can see where this might happen given the right circumstances.

I, myself, am still not sure what happened to Haleigh.


What if the situation was reversed? What if MISTY was telling the kids bad things about Crystal and has been mean to the kids in the past? I have seen this happen first hand and am about to tell you about it.

My friend has three kids(the ones that I have spoke about here in some of the Haleigh threads) that I babysat all the time and the oldest two(who are girls) were from a previous marriage. The girls father started dating a 19 year old girl(who by the way was probably 10 or even more years older than him) who at first started out really nice and the girls absolutely loved her at one point. Well after a year or so maybe even shorter this girl turned out to be the girlfriend from hell so to speak and the father is still with her and is now married. She was very mean to the girls, would lie about everything, and would have the girls lying etc.

The latest thing that happned a few months ago was where my friend almost made it so the girls couldn't be around her at all was when she found out that the step mother had the 13 year old SMOKING and had her steal a road sign. She had pretty much brainwashed the youngest daughter and turned her complteley against her mother. My friend was at her wits end with everything and was going to make it so the girls could only see their father if she wasn't around or if she wasn't alone with them. The Girlfriend pretty much came out and confessed about every lie she had told.

As for the oldest daughter she started realizing(as she got older) that Randi(the stepmom) was lying about the girls mom and everything.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:02 PM
Chief Ryan on now abt Chad, warrant out, but do not think he is involved in Haleighs disappearance.

KaylynnCouture
02-15-2009, 10:02 PM
Searcher today reporting nothing and that the items previously found as well as SO Chad, not importnat to the case.
Per Geraldo.

Honestly though, I wouldn't be so quick to rule that out. A missing sex offender with ties to Putnam County? That's a little suspicious to me.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:02 PM
I'm watching Geraldo.

Crystal and Marie on. Just came from b-day party for Jr.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:02 PM
Asking Crystal abt Jr's birthday party.

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 10:03 PM
I was wondering if maybe we can get one of the family friends to come here and maybe help us out with the who's who in relation to the SO's intertwined within the family.
What do y'all think?
I see several of them online on their myspaces. Would an invite be in violation of TOS/ Would it be helpful or just cause choas?
What do y'all think?



I think you may be better off with someone from the neighborhood that is not related. Find out what some of the gossip is. There is one in every neighborhood. Find out who that is. I want to know something I just ask Viola. She may not have all of the detail just right but you can start with what she tells you and go from there. Strike up a conversation, pepper that conversation with some questions, gain information and move on to the next one. Direct questions don't always work. People tell you more if they don't think you are asking and just talking.
Saves a lot of time just getting pointed in the right direction if you need that type of info. :)

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:03 PM
According to Crystal, putting differences aside and coming together is wonderful. She believes Ronald and Misty are telling the truth.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Asking Crystal deep questions. Shes not saying anything. Now trying the gma.

Kat
02-15-2009, 10:04 PM
What if the situation was reversed? What if MISTY was telling the kids bad things about Crystal and has been mean to the kids in the past? I have seen this happen first hand and am about to tell you about it.

My friend has three kids(the ones that I have spoke about here in some of the Haleigh threads) that I babysat all the time and the oldest two(who are girls) were from a previous marriage. The girls father started dating a 19 year old girl(who by the way was probably 10 or even more years older than him) who at first started out really nice and the girls absolutely loved her at one point. Well after a year or so maybe even shorter this girl turned out to be the girlfriend from hell so to speak and the father is still with her and is now married. She was very mean to the girls, would lie about everything, and would have the girls lying etc.

The latest thing that happned a few months ago was where my friend almost made it so the girls couldn't be around her at all was when she found out that the step mother had the 13 year old SMOKING and had her steal a road sign. She had pretty much brainwashed the youngest daughter and turned her complteley against her mother. My friend was at her wits end with everything and was going to make it so the girls could only see their father if she wasn't around or if she wasn't alone with them. The Girlfriend pretty much came out and confessed about every lie she had told.

As for the oldest daughter she started realizing(as she got older) that Randi(the stepmom) was lying about the girls mom and everything.

If we go with that theory then Misty might have taken her anger out on Haleigh physically as well as telling her things about her Mom?

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Marie said they are focusing on Haleigh, putting differences on back burner, ignoring rumors.

Kat
02-15-2009, 10:05 PM
GR is on, if I don't come back see you all in the morning. Sleep well :seeya:

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:05 PM
Command center moved. Problems out ther with internet and communication on cellphones is bad in that area.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:05 PM
Hmmmm............sounds like Putnum County has checked into Chad Reynolds, and don't think there's a connection.

Geraldo is interviewing Crystal and her mother Marie. She says RJ knows what's happened. She says they've put their problems aside and have come together with Ron and Misty. Marie says they're focused on Haleigh, and have put differences aside. At bottom of the screen it says "Grandmother feels Haleigh is not in Florida anymore."

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:08 PM
Geraldo said inconsistencies in story are being analyzed and family is being re-interviewed.

Intruder could have approached un-detected because of deep brush.

Family says Haleigh would have never left with stranger.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:09 PM
Crystal says when Haleigh is at her house, she wakes up in the middle of the night and goes straight to her bed.

Tom'sGirl
02-15-2009, 10:09 PM
One window I saw had mini-blinds

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:09 PM
thank you soo much for the play by play..

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:09 PM
Marie had psychic feelings about Georgia and Alabama.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:10 PM
Gma keeps thinking someone took Haleigh out of state, no real reason, just keeps thinking Georgia Alabama. Just a feeling.

Tom'sGirl
02-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Great grandma now on

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Annette, Haleigh's great-grandmother lives 8 miles away. She received a call from Ronald when Haleigh went missing.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Marie had psychic feelings about Georgia and Alabama.
really?????

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Annette says Haleigh was a big daddy's girl. Ronald is doing well under the circumstances.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:12 PM
really?????

She said she cannot get those two states out of her head and believes someone took her out of Florida.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:12 PM
Great grandma. says not family, but some freak or something.

kiki the parrot
02-15-2009, 10:13 PM
In fact if you go further with the theory that Misty snapped and it resulted in Haleigh injured or dying then the washing of the blankets, the staged look to the door being wide open and the cinder block appearing on the ramp to prop the door open...kind of makes sense...JMO ETA: And Misty is the last known person with Haleigh that we know of too.

Agreed altho as I've also said, she may be trying to deflect responsibiity on any other level, ie altogether.

Ronald Cummings: "where is my f'ing phone...we've got better people to talk to then some mother f'ers who ain't coming."
I wonder who Ron thought better people would be. States Attorney office maybe. I have to wonder why Ron felt that his own local LE would not come.

My immediate reaction was that I've often felt extremely frustrated even in more everyday but urgent situations (vs critical emergencies) when routine info and lengthy protocol is being observed... and no one I loved was missing kwim...

Le did say that they have never had to respond to his home prio so it can't be that he knows from first hand experiance. How about Misty's brothers place. Any way we can find service call records to other address in the neighborhood. I know we saw them in Caylee's case but I was not sure if it was because there had already been an arrest and that info was in with the doc dump under sunshine law.

There are so many people who could be involved with this.

Now as far as Ron not being at work and then getting home at 3:27 or so he would have to be stupid to think that they would not check work records or co-workers. He has been arrested before so he has to know how LE works. His mother is a dispatcher so she knows how things work. Why would he outright lie about getting Haliegh off the bus. LE call the school, interview the driver and finds out nada. Does not make any sense. It's Misty that is the problem to me. Bond said it last night. The fact that the call to Ron is just as he is coming home from work is suspect. Why wait to call 911. Call 911 then call him since she he had a cell phone it wasn't like she coudln't reach him anytime she want'ed. What if she had woke up at 2:30 would she wait intill he got home to call 911.

Work shift times is a hard one to figure out. Companies run all different times for shifts outside of the stand 7-3,3-11,11-7 and then overtime can be added to the front end or the back end of a shift and some companies split it up and have you come in earlier and stay later both.

I also can not believe after day 5 that if Ron had not been at work we wouldn't have heard something from someone by now. Maybe not LE but one of the workers themselves or one of the wives of the workersthat they told who told someone else.

This guy may not have a extensive education but wouldn't you have to be pretty stooopid to not know they would check with his boss. They even do that on TV.

(bold mine) Well that's all true, but remember you're talkin to a bunch of Zanny-wild-goose-chase jaded sleuthers... LOL. JMO

:parrot:

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Here's a question for everyone. If we work backwards, what was found during the searches to convince TM that this would not end happily? What could have been found that would suggest this?

Maybe they've found a whole lot of nothing.
Statistically, that would point to an unhappy ending. JMO.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Bio mom still having trouble looking at that camera.
Says that Ronnie Jr is holding up well, but upset about Haleigh and that he does understan what is going on
SHe says she was with Ron and Misty this evening and that is was great and wonderful.
BIo mom says that she now believes Misty's story. One word answers.
She can't explain why she now beleives Misty just that she does.
Grandma says that she believes them , but shakes her head when she says it.
FOcus on Haleigh, she is the number one person, so they have put their differences aside
Grandma not worried over command center being moved, says that it was moved because of cell phone and internet issues.
Clip of 911 call.
MOre clips of Misty and Ron defending themselves and asserting that she was stolen.
HAshig over the inconstistencies in Misty's stories as well as others and police reintervieing everyone that has not been inconsistent.
Stating sh ewas very shy and afraid of the dark.
Bio mom saying htat she does not believe that Halrigh would walk out on her own and that when she is with bio mom she gets up in the middle of the night crying and comes straight to her.
Granmother feels that she is out of the state, gut feeling of GA and Alabama
She thinks that Haleigh is fine, but somewhere out of the state.
Shoeing clips from the search for Haligh.
17 LE agencies working with TES to try to find her.
Ronals tried to call great grandmother in the folloeing minutes, but gg missed the call, so she was contacted by the grandmother
Describes Haleigh as a daddy's girl.
Showing Ronald working with the search teams, described as holidng up.
GG says that they have been seperated over three years and that bio mom had nothing to do with it in her opininion
GG was defending Misty.
Saying both Misty and Ron have taken and apparently passed polygaphs, although LE has not said whether they did or not.
\My fingers hurt.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Hmmm............at the bottom of the screen, it says that "Cops questioned Haleigh's family again after the polygraphs."

It sounds like LE has a lot inconsistencies in the family's stories.

Craig Rivera...........talking about TES and the search. Great-grandmother doesn't feel any family involved.

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 10:14 PM
Commercial break: GA up next..

Let's try to be good...

:)

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Sorry about the spelling issues, but I am transcribing as they go and I can't tyoe as fast as they talk.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Sorry about the spelling issues, but I am transcribing as they go and I can't tyoe as fast as they talk.

:blowkiss: You did a great job,

panthera
02-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Geraldo anyone?
I'm watching! Commercial break now then George Anthony will be on. So far Crystal and her mother were on; Crystal's mother thinks Haleigh was taken out of state to either GA or AL. He also showed searchers and video of the outside of the mobile home.

WillenFan21
02-15-2009, 10:16 PM
The one thing that I have noticed about the bio mom and its something has bothered me is that when anyone asks her something(and she did this on Nancy Grace too) is that she cannot finish any of the sentences and has trouble answering the questions.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 10:16 PM
I like Nancy Marie, the maternal grandma. She said she keeps seeing GA/AL as a possible location. I believe in woman's intuition.

my_tee_mouse
02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Sorry about the spelling issues, but I am transcribing as they go and I can't tyoe as fast as they talk.


Not to worry! Everyone's efforts are greatly appreciated!:clap:

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Asking reporter who talked to Misty if she told him she had any suspects. Misty says a cousin of hers from TN who recently visited and had molested her in the past. She told authorities. He is a RSO. Last name Croslin.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Misty told Craig, a cousin recently visited from Tennessee, and had messed with Misty and had molested her

Tom'sGirl
02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Misty has a cousin that visited recently that is a SO, had messed with her as a child, stole a gun before he left

WillenFan21
02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
OMG!!!! Misty's cousin from Tennessee came to FL and he had messed with Misty when she was 13 years old. OMG someone in one of the other threads said this today as a theory. Who was it? They said maybe Misty had someone over that messed with her as a child and thats how they knew the house.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
reporting a cousin of Misty's who visited from Tenn. is a sex offender and he messed with her when she was young and stole a gun from Ron before he left.

LancelotLink
02-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Misty is now saying her cousin from TN visited and messed with her and took Ron's gun?

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:18 PM
One window I saw had mini-blinds

TY for that. I've been wondering, with the "blanket over the window" story...
:)

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:18 PM
SO cousin had visited house and stole gun from Ronald!

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Misty said off camera that she was suspicious of the cousin that visited by TN and supposedly "messed with her" when she was 13, he is registered as a sex offender.
Police have spoken with her and she says that this cousin stole a gun from Ron during the visit.
GA on now. He is with Conway.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Asking reporter who talked to Misty if she told him she had any suspects. Misty says a cousin of hers from TN who recently visited and had molested her in the past. She told authorities. He is a RSO. Last name Croslin.
and he stole a gun from ron in the past

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Misty suspects cousin may have abducted Haleigh? Could anyone here if they said a name?

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:19 PM
If this is true, no wonder the girl is such a mess.

Tom'sGirl
02-15-2009, 10:19 PM
George on with BC by his side. Think he's home now

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:19 PM
Bio mom still having trouble looking at that camera.
Says that Ronnie Jr is holding up well, but upset about Haleigh and that he does understan what is going on
SHe says she was with Ron and Misty this evening and that is was great and wonderful.
BIo mom says that she now believes Misty's story. One word answers.
She can't explain why she now beleives Misty just that she does.
Grandma says that she believes them , but shakes her head when she says it.
FOcus on Haleigh, she is the number one person, so they have put their differences aside
Grandma not worried over command center being moved, says that it was moved because of cell phone and internet issues.
Clip of 911 call.
MOre clips of Misty and Ron defending themselves and asserting that she was stolen.
HAshig over the inconstistencies in Misty's stories as well as others and police reintervieing everyone that has not been inconsistent.
Stating sh ewas very shy and afraid of the dark.
Bio mom saying htat she does not believe that Halrigh would walk out on her own and that when she is with bio mom she gets up in the middle of the night crying and comes straight to her.
Granmother feels that she is out of the state, gut feeling of GA and Alabama
She thinks that Haleigh is fine, but somewhere out of the state.
Shoeing clips from the search for Haligh.
17 LE agencies working with TES to try to find her.
Ronals tried to call great grandmother in the folloeing minutes, but gg missed the call, so she was contacted by the grandmother
Describes Haleigh as a daddy's girl.
Showing Ronald working with the search teams, described as holidng up.
GG says that they have been seperated over three years and that bio mom had nothing to do with it in her opininion
GG was defending Misty.
Saying both Misty and Ron have taken and apparently passed polygaphs, although LE has not said whether they did or not.
\My fingers hurt.

Thank you. :blowkiss:
No school tomorrow, I'm watching Hannah Montana. :D

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:19 PM
George is focused on helping families with missing children. Spent time with Ronald, Crystal, Misty. Says they need support from nation. He went there to let them know he understands, with Josh Duckett. Says Haleigh is a beautiful girl who needs to be brought home.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:20 PM
GA says this is now a passion of his and he feels better after meeting the family on THursday and Friday.
Describes the family as broken says he was there to let them now that they have support
Says Josh Duckett was there as well.
GA says Haleigh is inspiring to see and they must bring him home
Apparently Conway has counseled him that this is the best way to handle his pain.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:20 PM
GA on now.......saying he's doing things for the Cummings family, doing something he's passionate about. He's talking about all the support that's needed for the family. BC saying this is a way to help. So far, KFN not mentioned.

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Ok - let's revisit that case where Misty's mom filed charges against that guy - it was said tonight that she (Misty) was 13 when his guy molested her - wasn't that the same age she was in that case?

What was that guy's name?

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Thank goodness, finally new info.

They said they found a SO in TN with the last name Croslin and Misty said it wasn't him, didn't they??

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Thank God for commercials...

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:21 PM
What is this the underground railroad for sex offenders over there?

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:21 PM
WTH is up with the cousin?
REALLY?! Why would you let someone who is a SO who violated YOU into a home with small children?!?! :furious:
Where's this dude now?!

Kimster
02-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Sorry about the spelling issues, but I am transcribing as they go and I can't tyoe as fast as they talk.

Thank you, NMK! I can't stomach Geraldo and appreciate your notes!

:blowkiss:

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:22 PM
LE could not find a record of the supposed RSO....so don't everyone get excited.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:23 PM
SWAG, you're probably right. Was the guys name listed in the court docs???

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:23 PM
Appparently Misty gave LE all the info on her molester and LE showed her pictures of a person with the same last name and she said that wasn't the guy...that's how I understood it anyway.

~Lisa~
02-15-2009, 10:23 PM
Ok - let's revisit that case where Misty's mom filed charges against that guy - it was said tonight that she (Misty) was 13 when his guy molested her - wasn't that the same age she was in that case?

What was that guy's name?



If they said his name I missed it....I was waiting for it too!

Jersey*Girl
02-15-2009, 10:23 PM
WTH is up with the cousin?
REALLY?! Why would you let someone who is a SO who violated YOU into a home with small children?!?! :furious:
Where's this dude now?!

Ditto...and b/c I'm not allowed to cuss on here, I'll just say "What a B"!!!

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:23 PM
They (GR) didn't give ANY names - first or last. darn it!

Did show Ron (dad) getting ready to get on a horse - so he went out searching today.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:24 PM
So the mention of a stolen gun. If the child's body is found with a bullet from that gun. The stage is set for the cousin did it.

cajun
02-15-2009, 10:24 PM
Ok - let's revisit that case where Misty's mom filed charges against that guy - it was said tonight that she (Misty) was 13 when his guy molested her - wasn't that the same age she was in that case?

What was that guy's name?

Yes, that is the age and I don't remember who here even brought it up..it was many, many threads ago

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:25 PM
Cyril Wecht, Criminal Pathologist is on. Haleigh's case very similar to other abductions.

Tom'sGirl
02-15-2009, 10:25 PM
LE could not find a record of the supposed RSO....so don't everyone get excited.
I found one in TN (Crosslin)
http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/sorinternet/SOFind.aspx?strhold=n=crosslin

09/01/1999 STATUTORY RAPE

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:25 PM
It wasn't said WHEN this RSO cousin visited. Would like to know that. Also about the gun - so dad had 2? And now he only has 1?

Bio-mom back on

Cubby
02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Bio mom still having trouble looking at that camera.
Says that Ronnie Jr is holding up well, but upset about Haleigh and that he does understan what is going on
SHe says she was with Ron and Misty this evening and that is was great and wonderful.
BIo mom says that she now believes Misty's story. One word answers.
She can't explain why she now beleives Misty just that she does.
Grandma says that she believes them , but shakes her head when she says it.
FOcus on Haleigh, she is the number one person, so they have put their differences aside
Grandma not worried over command center being moved, says that it was moved because of cell phone and internet issues.
Clip of 911 call.
MOre clips of Misty and Ron defending themselves and asserting that she was stolen.
HAshig over the inconstistencies in Misty's stories as well as others and police reintervieing everyone that has not been inconsistent.
Stating sh ewas very shy and afraid of the dark.
Bio mom saying htat she does not believe that Halrigh would walk out on her own and that when she is with bio mom she gets up in the middle of the night crying and comes straight to her.
Granmother feels that she is out of the state, gut feeling of GA and Alabama
She thinks that Haleigh is fine, but somewhere out of the state.
Shoeing clips from the search for Haligh.
17 LE agencies working with TES to try to find her.
Ronals tried to call great grandmother in the folloeing minutes, but gg missed the call, so she was contacted by the grandmother
Describes Haleigh as a daddy's girl.
Showing Ronald working with the search teams, described as holidng up.
GG says that they have been seperated over three years and that bio mom had nothing to do with it in her opininion
GG was defending Misty.
Saying both Misty and Ron have taken and apparently passed polygaphs, although LE has not said whether they did or not.
\My fingers hurt.


Thank you nmk! TY! TY! TY! :blowkiss:

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
GR back to Crystal. make a plea to who has your daughter----Crystal : whoever has her please bring her home she needs to be w/mom and dad she doesnt deserve this, just drop her off somewhere, just bring her back to me

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Geraldo is asking Crystal to give plee to abductor.

"Whoever has her, please just bring her home. She needs to be with her mom and dad. I miss her. She doesn't deserve this. Whoever has her, please just drop her off somewhere. Just bring her back to me."

I think that's what she said.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
We need to remember this is GERALDO....and even his brother said LE could not find this so called cousin molester.

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Making Crystal do a plea for Haleighs return.

WillenFan21
02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
If this is true, no wonder the girl is such a mess.

I know right.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:27 PM
Doctor from Pittsburgh drawing comparisons between Lunsford, Klaas and Haleigh.
Sexual predator aspect....no question
What happens to the girls is varied depending on timeframes and on LE response.
Importance of family reporting immediately.
AMazing how little has been found in these cases sue to the length of time n reporting.
Bio mom asked to make plea, to which she says, whoeverver has her please just bring her home she needs to be with us, we missher she doesn't desrve this, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE FINALLY HAVE TEARS....
Sobbing on her mom's shoulder, took her some to summon a response.
GA talking about his uderstanding of what they are going throuhg, they need hugs ad love, he saw the whol efamily together on Saturday.

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 10:27 PM
Ok - let's revisit that case where Misty's mom filed charges against that guy - it was said tonight that she (Misty) was 13 when his guy molested her - wasn't that the same age she was in that case?

What was that guy's name?

Oh gosh...Does anyone remember what thread that was on? it was last night sometime. Don't recall name age@24-25. i'll try to find it, but someone probably has by the time i type this post.

Mom breaking down on Gmom shoulder on GR...

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 10:27 PM
I like Nancy Marie, the maternal grandma. She said she keeps seeing GA/AL as a possible location. I believe in woman's intuition.I normally do like the grandmas that seem to offer the truth or reasonable theory...until it is put into place with Geraldo...then her credibility is tanked with me. Sorry.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:27 PM
I found one in TN (Crosslin)
http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/sorinternet/SOFind.aspx?strhold=n=crosslin

09/01/1999 STATUTORY RAPE

He said
Le found one guy with the same last name...but Misty said it was not him.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:28 PM
Should be one more section on Haleigh and then he is off to other segmanets, so we only have to put up with my REALLY bad spelling for a few more minutes.
I'm trying to keep up.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:28 PM
I did a quick check of Tennessee RSO directory, and there were no results for anyone with a surname of Croslin.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:29 PM
I found one in TN (Crosslin)
http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/sorinternet/SOFind.aspx?strhold=n=crosslin

09/01/1999 STATUTORY RAPE
oh, for the love of God, could you imagine?:puke:

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:29 PM
Mods.... please.... I fear my brain might explode if we don't make a separate forum for Haleigh.

butwhatif?
02-15-2009, 10:29 PM
Yeah! What she said!

For now I'm stuck on the employment/time issue too.
In the interview where dad falls to the ground, he says something like ' I'm out trying to make an honest living'...
IMO, that is usually said by people who have not made an honest living in the past.( good on him if he was trying to turn his life around). But this makes way for there to have been bad blood in his previous dealings.

I want to know how long he has been working for PDM. I want to know why, if he is a crane operator, he had all those grazes on his knuckles?????:waitasec:
Did he have a set work schedule that neighbours or SO's could have taken notice, and advantage of?
Are any employees of PDM RSO's? Any of his workmates go for a beer at his place after work? Is there anyway to pull employment records?
His employment in a place with so many SO's opens up a whole lot of other possiblities.
I wonder what the guys working with dad that night or week, say about his behaviour. had he been complaining about the ex, or current gf or family?
I know thats a lot of questions that probably wont be answered for some time, but I really want to know.
There is very little being said for a small community where everyone knows everyones business. Even if LE isnt talking, usually the community is.
JMO

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 10:30 PM
Thank goodness, finally new info.

They said they found a SO in TN with the last name Croslin and Misty said it wasn't him, didn't they??

I searched the NSOFR for every state with last name Croslin and NOTHING comes up - anyone else finding anything?!

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:30 PM
AArrrgghh - looked back through my notes - didn't write that down - wasn't his first name Jeremy?

LaLaw2000
02-15-2009, 10:30 PM
reporting a cousin of Misty's who visited from Tenn. is a sex offender and he messed with her when she was young and stole a gun from Ron before he left.

Why did Ronald and/or Misty let him come there, then??????????

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:30 PM
Pesonal observations:
Bio mom still can't look at the camera, eyes all over the place.
Her and her mother's body language is at odds with their words.
Bio mom's sobbing stopped as soon as she was no longer facing the camera.

Shar824
02-15-2009, 10:31 PM
WTH is up with the cousin?
REALLY?! Why would you let someone who is a SO who violated YOU into a home with small children?!?! :furious:
Where's this dude now?!

My sentiments exactly.......if someone had "messed with me", there is no way in heck that person would be anywhere around me in any way shape or form. Much less come for a visit.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:31 PM
So did Ron initially have 2 guns?

Salem
02-15-2009, 10:31 PM
I normally do like the grandmas that seem to offer the truth or reasonable theory...until it is put into place with Geraldo...then her credibility is tanked with me. Sorry.

Are you saying GR paid for this interview?

Salem

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 10:31 PM
Geraldo is asking Crystal to give plee to abductor.

"Whoever has her, please just bring her home. She needs to be with her mom and dad. I miss her. She doesn't deserve this. Whoever has her, please just drop her off somewhere. Just bring her back to me."

I think that's what she said.

Her plea was pathetic......looked like fake crying to me. I didnt believe her AT
ALL, did anyone??????

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:31 PM
don't think this guys last name was Croslin

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:32 PM
Kimberly Guilfoyle---BRING IT!!!

Beyond Belief
02-15-2009, 10:32 PM
Lawyer said Casey Anthony trial late fall at the earliest.

PinkyPoo
02-15-2009, 10:32 PM
Just checking back here to see if there was anythink new.
I hope this case is not going to turn into another Caylee Anthony case. :(

cajun
02-15-2009, 10:32 PM
I searched the NSOFR for every state with last name Croslin and NOTHING comes up - anyone else finding anything?!


Last name might not be Croslin, could be from momma's side of the family. Great gma Sykes, whose mother is she?

Salem
02-15-2009, 10:33 PM
AArrrgghh - looked back through my notes - didn't write that down - wasn't his first name Jeremy?

Yes, or Josh or something. Last name Smith?

I think thread 15, 16 or maybe 17?

Salem

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:33 PM
Last name might not be Croslin, could be from momma's side of the family. Great gma Sykes, whose mother is she?
Annette Sykes (Sikes) was great grandma on dad's side.

AlwaysShocked
02-15-2009, 10:33 PM
I can't stand Geraldo, but... what network is his show on and at what time?

Also, I think the reason Tim Miller said he doesn't think there will be a good outcome here is because of the statistics on missing children - that a lot of them are killed very shortly after being taken. And that the more time that passes without finding the child, the less likely it is that the child is dead.

So sorry to even have to write that.

These folks are surely poor and uneducated but I'm sure they love their children just like everybody else.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:34 PM
Misty did not tell this story to LE...she told Craig R.....he said he took it to police!!!!!!! Slow down everyone.

passionflower
02-15-2009, 10:35 PM
Gilfore is on and thinks it is someone who knew the family cause dad had a gun, had to know when Ron was gone.
Ron could be in trouble with gf under age
No lawyer ups, everyone talking

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:35 PM
I guess GA is going to be a Fox news special contributer now.....he will be back after break

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:35 PM
Talking now of casey's trial...late fall at the earliest.
Guilfoyle saying that she thinks that it wsa someone that knew the family.
SOmeone had to know the patterns...confirmation of 9mm
Include everyone as a suspect.
If Misty is emancipated Ron is not being a pervert.
Arthur talking about the issues of whether or not to arrest Ron.
No one has taken a lawyer.
Reported right away.
GR trying to shut them up fast, probly for GA's sake.
OH GOD UNIQUE CLUB IS HERE TO HELP YOU ~barf~

momtective
02-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Her plea was pathetic......looked like fake crying to me. I didnt believe her AT
ALL, did anyone??????

:no::nono:

Cubby
02-15-2009, 10:36 PM
So the mention of a stolen gun. If the child's body is found with a bullet from that gun. The stage is set for the cousin did it.


Uh huh. Was the gun reported stolen to LE when the cousin visited?

Still catching up on reading.

Kimster
02-15-2009, 10:37 PM
Kinda what I"m thinking....Misty did not tell LE this, but she told Craig R.....sure....................

Yeah, I wonder who told bio-family this information. If it came from MC, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

jandkmom
02-15-2009, 10:37 PM
Love Kimberly and Arthur talking about them not "lawyering up" and reporting immediately and polygraph. I think it is sad that Geraldo brought up about the dad and girlfriend's age. That is not the priority right now. Finding Haleigh is.

Nana46
02-15-2009, 10:37 PM
You'll have to ask SS for her spelling fairy. LOL
Don't worry about the spelling. You are doing nice things for all of us that get our knickers in a bunch having to watch Geritol.

:clap::clap::clap:

moonlighting
02-15-2009, 10:37 PM
[QUOTE=tehcloser;3316220]He said
Le found one guy with the same last name...but Misty said it was not him.[/QUOTE

Misty Croslin only has one "s", correct?

This guy has two- Crosslin. Born in 1964, too old

momtective
02-15-2009, 10:37 PM
Misty did not tell this story to LE...she told Craig R.....he said he took it to police!!!!!!! Slow down everyone.

Who's Craig R.?

jandkmom
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
I can't stand Geraldo, but... what network is his show on and at what time?

Also, I think the reason Tim Miller said he doesn't think there will be a good outcome here is because of the statistics on missing children - that a lot of them are killed very shortly after being taken. And that the more time that passes without finding the child, the less likely it is that the child is dead.

So sorry to even have to write that.

These folks are surely poor and uneducated but I'm sure they love their children just like everybody else.


I don't care for Geraldo either. He is on Fox News Channel at 10:00 EST.

passionflower
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Her plea was pathetic......looked like fake crying to me. I didnt believe her AT
ALL, did anyone??????

I bet she got meds.......when I was on Effexor.........I had goofy emotions, couldn't cry at a funeral.........very odd....I'll never take that stuff again!

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Who's Craig R.?

GERALDO's Brother.....:crazy:

cajun
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Annette Sykes (Sikes) was great grandma on dad's side.
thank you

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
GR asks if GA regrets cooperating...he defers to Conway, who doances around the question.
Arthur says that it seems like in the Haleigh case it soesn't look like the family is guilty.

THAT'S ALL FOLKS.

I have a final due in 4 hours, I'll be back when it's done.

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Who's Craig R.?

Geraldo's brother.

jandkmom
02-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Who's Craig R.?

Craig Rivera...Geraldo's brother

Silk
02-15-2009, 10:39 PM
Why did Ronald and/or Misty let him come there, then??????????

Did I hear Craig say he was there two weeks ago? Or did I hallucinate that??????

HRCODEPINK
02-15-2009, 10:39 PM
What is this the underground railroad for sex offenders over there?

I am starting to think that no where is really safe. We went to the site and estimate that there are approx 400 SOs in a five mile radius from our house and that no where in the area, which I cannot leave is any better. I live in a heavily populated area, Hampton Roads Virginia, 7 major cities in one spot, which is home to the largest Naval Base in the World and Virginia Beach, a tourist destination. I can't move and there are none on my street but at least 17 on the streets surrounding my block. Go to the VA registry and type in the zip codes 23502-23518. SCARY!! There is one a block and a half from me who has 2 counts of indecent liberties with a child 12-15 years of age and a rape and sodomy charge all on the same day!

I think that the info on the cousin is why the sudden change where bio mom is no longer suspicious of dad and gf. She thinks that he has her and is probably angry with the gf but not as suspicious now.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:40 PM
Who's Craig R.?
Geraldo's brother, Craig

lillyfrog
02-15-2009, 10:40 PM
I guess GA is going to be a Fox news special contributer now.....he will be back after break

you have GOT to be kidding me....WTH

cajun
02-15-2009, 10:40 PM
Uh huh. Was the gun reported stolen to LE when the cousin visited?

Still catching up on reading.

Not if it wasn't a legal gun

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 10:40 PM
Misty did not tell this story to LE...she told Craig R.....he said he took it to police!!!!!!! Slow down everyone.

She told a reporter this but did not mention it to LE and Craig R told them about it. Do I have this correct.
Or
Did Misty tell this to Craig but Craig R. does not know if she did so he made sure he told LE just in case.

Big differenc.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
Geraldo really put GA in the hot seat, asking him if he regretted cooperating with LE when it appears that that would be used against his daughter. GA deferred the question to BC, who was diplomatic. The point was made by Geraldo that Haleigh's family hasn't be getting attorneys.

JulieR
02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
Pesonal observations:
Bio mom still can't look at the camera, eyes all over the place.
Her and her mother's body language is at odds with their words.
Bio mom's sobbing stopped as soon as she was no longer facing the camera.

One thing you have to remember with her is she is a recovering (hopefully) drug addict. Her emotions are not like a normal persons.......Depending on what age she was using heavy the drugs really do a numbing job on all emotions and it takes years and sometimes they never returns to normal, or what we would call normal.

ROBLYN
02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
don't think this guys last name was Croslin

Swag,

I don't think so either... But, for the life of me, i can not remember where it is located. Sorry...

whiteangora
02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
GR asks if GA regrets cooperating...he defers to Conway, who doances around the question.
Arthur says that it seems like in the Haleigh case it soesn't look like the family is guilty.

THAT'S ALL FOLKS.

I have a final due in 4 hours, I'll be back when it's done.

Boy oh boy, that hit GA right between the eyes!
Good for Arthur:blowkiss:

passionflower
02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
I guess GA is going to be a Fox news special contributer now.....he will be back after break

into the big bucks now! $$$$$$

cajun
02-15-2009, 10:42 PM
Found it swag, it was Jeremy Miller

scandi
02-15-2009, 10:42 PM
GR back to Crystal. make a plea to who has your daughter----Crystal : whoever has her please bring her home she needs to be w/mom and dad she doesnt deserve this, just drop her off somewhere, just bring her back to me


Hi Kelly, Even with a time delay if there was one, it took a loooong time for the bio-mother to start answering Geraldo. It was about the weakest, most unemotional plea for the return of a missing child imaginable {until she started crying, when she had to hide her face in the shoulder of her mother :rolleyes:] I know I am pretty critical.

I think they all know what happened and the public is being left out at this point in time. IMO something was missing in what we saw and heard tonight about that family. Adding in after all these days the gun and distant cousin - I think it is hogwash to try and muddy the waters about what really happened.

xox

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:42 PM
I searched the NSOFR for every state with last name Croslin and NOTHING comes up - anyone else finding anything?!

I've only searched Tennessee and didn't find anything.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:42 PM
I didn't hear him say when Misty said the cousin was there. But if it was two weeks ago, that is huge.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:43 PM
No Jeremy Milly on MySpace, FYI.

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 10:43 PM
GA says this is now a passion of his and he feels better after meeting the family on THursday and Friday.
Describes the family as broken says he was there to let them now that they have support
Says Josh Duckett was there as well.
GA says Haleigh is inspiring to see and they must bring him home
Apparently Conway has counseled him that this is the best way to handle his pain.

B/c Conway wants GA out working, $.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:43 PM
I didn't hear him say when Misty said the cousin was there. But if it was two weeks ago, that is huge.


If it was so big...wht not tell LE why just tell Geraldo's brother?

LCoastMom
02-15-2009, 10:44 PM
Geraldo is asking Crystal to give plee to abductor.

"Whoever has her, please just bring her home. She needs to be with her mom and dad. I miss her. She doesn't deserve this. Whoever has her, please just drop her off somewhere. Just bring her back to me."

I think that's what she said.

This just creeped me out so bad. The Amber Frey movie is on. This is the same thing SP just said in his televised plea to who ever took Laci. Almost word for word.

I'm gonna go throw up now.

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 10:44 PM
Hi Kelly, Even with a time delay if there was one, it took a loooong time for the bio-mother to start answering Geraldo. It was about the weakest, most unemotional plea for the return of a missing child imaginable {until she started crying, when she jhad to hide her face in the shoulder of her mother :rolleyes:] I know I am pretty critical.

I think they all know what happened and the public is being left out at this point in time. IMO something was missing in what we saw and heard tonight about that family. Adding in after all these days the gun and distant cousin - I think it is hogwash to try and muddy the waters about what really happened.

xox

:blowkiss: ITA........I think having a sex offender in my home would have been one of the first things I offered up to the police.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:44 PM
No Milly in the TN sex offender registry.

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 10:44 PM
I don't even have my television on and am still having to hear about Geraldo! LOL

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Why did Ronald and/or Misty let him come there, then??????????

And did they file a police report about the stolen gun?

pinkfly
02-15-2009, 10:45 PM
I don't have tevo but iirc cousin visit was very recently I felt bad for GA watching his distorted face about question on whether he regretted helping in a way that may convict Casey

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 10:45 PM
I've only searched Tennessee and didn't find anything.

Since grandma had such a strong feeling about GA & AL, how about checking there.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:46 PM
So, Craig Rivera talked to Misty, she wont be interviewed on camera, but tells CR that she was molested and he visited not too long ago, "no, that picture is not him", but ooh yeah, he stole a gun, she hasnt told police, but tells CRAIG RIVERA???
S-T-A-G-E!

RoseRed
02-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Yes, that is the age and I don't remember who here even brought it up..it was many, many threads ago

Last name Mitchell ????

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Found it swag, it was Jeremy Milly.
Milly? That doesn't sound right - where did you find it?

AlwaysShocked
02-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Isn't Greta on Fox at 10:00 PM?

jcamille
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
Her plea was pathetic......looked like fake crying to me. I didnt believe her AT
ALL, did anyone??????

It didn't look real to me...especially when she suddenly stopped thinking she was off camera when GR began speaking to GA.

blossomfish
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
I hope the cousin does not turn out to be another Zanny the nanny...

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
So, Craig Rivera talked to Misty, she wont be interviewed on camera, but tells CR that she was molested and he visited not too long ago, "no, that picture is not him", but ooh yeah, he stole a gun, she hasnt told police, but tells CRAIG RIVERA???
S-T-A-G-E!

Nice eh...now I see why they are staying away from the media...lol

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
Pesonal observations:
Bio mom still can't look at the camera, eyes all over the place.
Her and her mother's body language is at odds with their words.
Bio mom's sobbing stopped as soon as she was no longer facing the camera.

not much in the way of waterworks either.

pinkfly
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
If LE showed her a picture and she said not him she must have told LE

jandkmom
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
Isn't Greta on Fox at 10:00 PM?

During the weekdays, but Geraldo on the weekends.

Wise Old Owl
02-15-2009, 10:47 PM
JEREMY MILLER!!!!

Now I'll go back thru the threads to find it!!!

I'm pretty sure it was Miller.

not_my_kids
02-15-2009, 10:48 PM
One thing you have to remember with her is she is a recovering (hopefully) drug addict. Her emotions are not like a normal persons.......Depending on what age she was using heavy the drugs really do a numbing job on all emotions and it takes years and sometimes they never returns to normal, or what we would call normal.


I am a recovering X addict...I don't see that cusing her issues.
Alright I really am leaving now.

Jersey*Girl
02-15-2009, 10:48 PM
I am starting to think that no where is really safe. We went to the site and estimate that there are approx 400 SOs in a five mile radius from our house and that no where in the area, which I cannot leave is any better. I live in a heavily populated area, Hampton Roads Virginia, 7 major cities in one spot, which is home to the largest Naval Base in the World and Virginia Beach, a tourist destination. I can't move and there are none on my street but at least 17 on the streets surrounding my block. Go to the VA registry and type in the zip codes 23502-23518. SCARY!! There is one a block and a half from me who has 2 counts of indecent liberties with a child 12-15 years of age and a rape and sodomy charge all on the same day!

I think that the info on the cousin is why the sudden change where bio mom is no longer suspicious of dad and gf. She thinks that he has her and is probably angry with the gf but not as suspicious now.

we have 2 in my town. disney world florida is surrounded by 1400! check out la, ny, chicago. check out all of the theme parks that you can think of. i posted a thread in the parking lot about so's and vacation spots / amusement parks - it's ridiculous how many so's live and work around these areas where they KNOW children will be. makes me just sick!

shadow of my mind
02-15-2009, 10:48 PM
Found it swag, it was Jeremy Milly.

He is not on the Tenn SO list.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:48 PM
If LE showed her a picture and she said not him she must have told LE

Craig said HE took the info to LE.

momtective
02-15-2009, 10:49 PM
GERALDO's Brother.....:crazy:

Thank you...I was so confused...I thought he was another player in this mess. lol

twiggles
02-15-2009, 10:49 PM
JEREMY MILLER!!!!

Now I'll go back thru the threads to find it!!!

I'm pretty sure it was Miller.

I think you're right! It was Miller!!

Salem
02-15-2009, 10:49 PM
JEREMY MILLER!!!!

Now I'll go back thru the threads to find it!!!

I'm pretty sure it was Miller.

:clap::clap::clap:

I'll help!

Salem

cajun
02-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Milly? That doesn't sound right - where did you find it?

sorry, I meant to type Miller. Here is what I found on Impatientred's post:

Here is a cut and paste of what I read in the first thread. If I go to the Daytona Beach News website and go through archives for that date it does say it has the info but then it takes me a to a site to register and buy the article. Can't do that from this computer.

Thanks for the link to True Crime Report, y'all.

Here's a little snippet of info I discovered about Misty Croslin, the 19-year-old girlfriend who was in the home when Haleigh disappeared.
Quote:
News of Record
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL) - Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Suits filed [...] Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence
So -- when Misty was approximately 15, someone -- her mother, I'd guess -- filed some sort of suit against this Miller dude for abuse on Misty's behalf.

A 19-year-old girl, taking care of her boyfriend's 5-year-old -- someone else's kid -- and at least one other kid. A 19-year-old who may have been abused herself.

I don't know about you all, but I sure don't like the way this one is going so far

FightTheOstrich
02-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Since grandma had such a strong feeling about GA & AL, how about checking there.

TN borders several different states. My home is 1 mile from the GA border....

SeriouslySearching
02-15-2009, 10:50 PM
Geraldo really put GA in the hot seat, asking him if he regretted cooperating with LE when it appears that that would be used against his daughter. GA deferred the question to BC, who was diplomatic. The point was made by Geraldo that Haleigh's family hasn't been getting attorneys.Much to his chagrin I am sure. LOL I bet he could line 'em up with a few, eh?! Was that a hint?

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:50 PM
Miller sounds right. There are some RSO's by that name, I'm looking through them. Do we know his age?

passionflower
02-15-2009, 10:51 PM
:blowkiss: ITA........I think having a sex offender in my home would have been one of the first things I offered up to the police.

:right on!::furious:

Cubby
02-15-2009, 10:51 PM
Misty did not tell this story to LE...she told Craig R.....he said he took it to police!!!!!!! Slow down everyone.


Sorry to ask, but so many names to keep up with. How does Craig R fit into the picture again? TY!

jcamille
02-15-2009, 10:52 PM
This just creeped me out so bad. The Amber Frey movie is on. This is the same thing SP just said in his televised plea to who ever took Laci. Almost word for word.

I'm gonna go throw up now.


It's almost the exact same wording that Susan Smith said on TV too.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:52 PM
sorry, I meant to type Miller. Here is what I found on Impatientred's post:

Here is a cut and paste of what I read in the first thread. If I go to the Daytona Beach News website and go through archives for that date it does say it has the info but then it takes me a to a site to register and buy the article. Can't do that from this computer.

Thanks for the link to True Crime Report, y'all.

Here's a little snippet of info I discovered about Misty Croslin, the 19-year-old girlfriend who was in the home when Haleigh disappeared.
Quote:
News of Record
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL) - Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Suits filed [...] Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence
So -- when Misty was approximately 15, someone -- her mother, I'd guess -- filed some sort of suit against this Miller dude for abuse on Misty's behalf.

A 19-year-old girl, taking care of her boyfriend's 5-year-old -- someone else's kid -- and at least one other kid. A 19-year-old who may have been abused herself.

I don't know about you all, but I sure don't like the way this one is going so far

She said the cousin was when she was 13......

LeLe1953
02-15-2009, 10:52 PM
TN borders several different states. My home is 1 mile from the GA border....

I know, it borders my state of NC as well.

JulieR
02-15-2009, 10:53 PM
I don't think the real mother has anything to do with this. I mean really she didn't want either of these kids, or she would have been fighting like hell for them. She didn't even know why Haleigh missed school, she don't talk to them on the phone and she gets them every other weekend, heck she don't even know them. The only motive she would have is to get out of paying child support and if that be the case she would have had something happen to one of them when she had them. She is just emotionally not there with Heleigh, and most likely never was.

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:53 PM
I checked Neighborhood Watchdog, which has a national registry.
Didn't find a Jeremy Milly anywhere.

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:53 PM
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=FL52939&aID=&at=1&sid=&sp=1&nm=

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:53 PM
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=5

Right name, wrong state. Looks exactly like Misty, though.

Leila
02-15-2009, 10:54 PM
I don't have tevo but iirc cousin visit was very recently I felt bad for GA watching his distorted face about question on whether he regretted helping in a way that may convict Casey

I'm going to watch the rebroadcast in a couple of hours to clarify it.

ladonna
02-15-2009, 10:54 PM
Question.

Elsewhere they are saying Mitsy was molested at 13. I thought it was Marie. Anyone know?

Nana46
02-15-2009, 10:54 PM
We don't have any SO's here in Tennessee!!!

Sorry, sometimes I have to laugh to keep from crying here.
I will go back now and be quiet:bang:

gogrannypop
02-15-2009, 10:54 PM
SWAG, you're probably right. Was the guys name listed in the court docs???

I checked Neighborhood Watchdog, which has a national registry.
Didn't find a Jeremy Milly anywhere.

I think it's "MILLER"

passionflower
02-15-2009, 10:55 PM
I hope the cousin does not turn out to be another Zanny the nanny...

I was just thinking that same thought!:waitasec:

kellync
02-15-2009, 10:56 PM
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=FL52939&aID=&at=1&sid=&sp=1&nm=
NO? Yes? Maybe?

panthera
02-15-2009, 10:56 PM
I hope the cousin does not turn out to be another Zanny the nanny...
I hear you, and I'd like to know where he is now and if it's possible he could've taken Haleigh. He could just be somebody being thrown under the bus, so to speak. MOO only!

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=FL52939&aID=&at=1&sid=&sp=1&nm=

He's incarcerated.

drip~drop
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
I guess GA is going to be a Fox news special contributer now.....he will be back after break

george a? seriously?

**thud**

:cow: imo:confused:

Trino
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
In fact if you go further with the theory that Misty snapped and it resulted in Haleigh injured or dying then the washing of the blankets, the staged look to the door being wide open and the cinder block appearing on the ramp to prop the door open...kind of makes sense...JMO

ETA: And Misty is the last known person with Haleigh that we know of too.

I agree that Misty is a prime suspect, but how do we account for the fact that she has passed a lie detector test? She's 17, most likely not able to lie well enough to fool those administering it.

momtective
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Sorry to ask, but so many names to keep up with. How does Craig R fit into the picture again? TY!

I asked the same ? Cubby...it's Geraldo's brother.

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
NO? Yes? Maybe?

Well if it's a true story and that is the guy...he did not take Haleigh....he's in JAIL.

Tom'sGirl
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
NO? Yes? Maybe?
Says "Incarcerated"

Cubby
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Found it swag, it was Jeremy Miller


Is JM a cousin?

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Kellync.. I posted a link to the same guy... and I think he looks like he is related to Misty. Could be.

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 10:58 PM
JEREMY MILLER Not Mappable ***INCARCERATED***
BRUNSWICK, GA 31520 GA
Jeremy D Miller Not Mappable Department of Corrections
Incarcerated, FL 00000 FL
MILLER, JEREMY, CURTIS Mappable 2501 JAMES MADISON BOULEVARDVIRGINIA BEACH CORRECTIONAL CENTER
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA 23456 VA
JEREMY G MILLER Mappable 2800 N HILLSIDE
WICHITA, KS 67219 KS
JEREMY DONERSKIN MILLER Mappable 9805 CR 445
MOKANE, MO 65059 MO
Jeremy Eugene Miller Mappable 303 S 3RD ST
PIONEER, OH 43554 OH
Jeremy Miller Mappable 4570 EAST PIKE
ZANESVILLE, OH 43701-8012 OH

Nana46
02-15-2009, 10:58 PM
NO? Yes? Maybe?

Yes...but isn't he in jail now?

tehcloser
02-15-2009, 10:58 PM
I agree that Misty is a prime suspect, but how do we account for the fact that she has passed a lie detector test? She's 17, most likely not able to lie well enough to fool those administering it.

We DO NOT know she passed the test. LE has not said that.

sc2714
02-15-2009, 10:58 PM
How often are the registries updated? Could he have visited as soon as he got out of jail and it hasn't been updated in a few weeks?

scandi
02-15-2009, 10:59 PM
:blowkiss: ITA........I think having a sex offender in my home would have been one of the first things I offered up to the police.


Hi LeLe, Great to see ya ;}

Thank Goodness for Kimberly Guilfoil {sp} whose every word makes such perfect sense.

I have a friend here tonight who listened to the show and thinks the reason there are so many SO's in Florida is because their laws on legal age are so young - at age 16 or 17 they are considered a sexual adult.

Gee, here in Oregon the newly elected Mayor of Portland might be recalled from office after 6 mos. One main reason is he had sexual contact by a {really two, one was in the Mayor's car :eek::eek::eek:} 1+ minute kiss in the men's bathroom at City Hall before the kid turned 18 - the legal age. People who live here are totally P*ssed off about what he did!


XOX


PS: This afternoon I kept thinking, Gee, some perv SO could have her in his house, in the closet like what happened to Jessica Lunsford. I think I have dispelled that awful thought, as no one could hide someone that long, over a week, don't you think?

EmMomma
02-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Re: My previous post:
Can R/O the guy in VA, his conviction date was in 08.

Absolutely Addicted
02-15-2009, 11:00 PM
sorry, I meant to type Miller. Here is what I found on Impatientred's post:

Here is a cut and paste of what I read in the first thread. If I go to the Daytona Beach News website and go through archives for that date it does say it has the info but then it takes me a to a site to register and buy the article. Can't do that from this computer.

Thanks for the link to True Crime Report, y'all.

Here's a little snippet of info I discovered about Misty Croslin, the 19-year-old girlfriend who was in the home when Haleigh disappeared.
Quote:
News of Record
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL) - Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Suits filed [...] Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence
So -- when Misty was approximately 15, someone -- her mother, I'd guess -- filed some sort of suit against this Miller dude for abuse on Misty's behalf.

A 19-year-old girl, taking care of her boyfriend's 5-year-old -- someone else's kid -- and at least one other kid. A 19-year-old who may have been abused herself.

I don't know about you all, but I sure don't like the way this one is going so far

Misty is actually 17, so in 05 that would have made her 13. I thought this one might have been a match as his victim was 15 if I was reading this right...but now doing the math it doesn't compute:

First Name: JEREMY
Middle Name: G
Last Name: MILLER


Conviction
Conviction date: 12/15/2005
ATTEMPTED INDECENT LIBERTIES W/CHILD: >14<16; LEWD FONDLING OR TOUCHING
Offender's age at conviction: 26
Victim Age: 0

Source of Information: Kansas Offender Registry