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christine2448
02-16-2009, 05:52 PM
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Wise Old Owl
02-16-2009, 05:54 PM
Thankx Christine!!!

elfie
02-16-2009, 05:55 PM
I think the report that Chad Reynolds is in custody is incorrect.

Local news just said they are wanting to talk with him and that he's been missing for two weeks.

Thanks Pirate. According the article he seems to have a similar MO.

standing0
02-16-2009, 05:57 PM
This is a great post and excellent thought. I would wonder though, if this is a RSO - would they be smart enough to wear gloves?

Salem

But that's the beauty of it :)

If the abductor wore gloves, then there would be no fingerprint on the light switch, which would rule out Misti, as I don't think she's smart enough to wipe fingerprints off a light switch...I could be rushing to judgment, this is all in my opinion.

Tonia
02-16-2009, 05:57 PM
Is Tommy Misty's brother? If not who is? I seem to lost that one along the way.

catch_22
02-16-2009, 05:57 PM
...also well-trodden I'm sure, but, again...WTH...

Why does Misty attempt to portray herself as Haleigh's mother to the 911 operator? Was this @ Ronald's insistence?

I can't get my head wrapped around what possible explanation there could be for this behavior?

I get that Ronald is there and he's furious, and its hard to hear w/ him ranting, and the operator used language like "numerical" (perhaps the operator just read the title of the data entry field on her computer screen)...ok...chaos...I get it. But...why portray Haleigh as her daughter? To simplify explaining that she's the gf?

I'm not looking to set a high-bar for the explanation...I'm just noodlin' on whether or not this tells us anything of value...:waitasec:

it could be interpretted that if misty was responsible for the disapearance, then she might have called haleigh her daughter (knowing it was being recorded) so people will think that she thinks of haleigh as her daughter and would never do anything to hurt her.

i see it as just a possibility, though. there are so many things in this case that could be key clues or could be meaningless. it's so hard to decide anything for certain with the limited info we have......

murdershewrote
02-16-2009, 05:57 PM
Hi Dev, welcome to WS...you'll be hooked on this just like the rest of us in no time!

Sorry if O/T but I wonder if Tim Miller is going to Arkansas to search for the missing 3 year old boy, he disappeared right around the same time as Haleigh...haven't heard for sure, but that's a possibility.

PinkyPoo
02-16-2009, 05:58 PM
But that's the beauty of it :)

If the abductor wore gloves, then there would be no fingerprint on the light switch, which would rule out Misti, as I don't think she's smart enough to wipe fingerprints off a light switch...I could be rushing to judgment, this is all in my opinion.

Ahh but she would not have to wipe her own print off the lightswitch since she lives there.
LE would expect to find her print there.

Kat
02-16-2009, 05:58 PM
Is Tommy Misty's brother? If not who is? I seem to lost that one along the way.

Tonia if IIRC correctly, I have seen two brothers named.

Tommy and Timmy.

cajun
02-16-2009, 05:59 PM
Is Tommy Misty's brother? If not who is? I seem to lost that one along the way.

brother in law. I don't think she has a brother, just 2 sisters.

scout35
02-16-2009, 06:00 PM
Posted by Cheko1

"This has never sat well with me either....Haleigh has a Mom & its not Misty. This has been my complaint since the beginning of this case. I am a step mom to 3 sons / plus I have 4 kids of my own. I have never once claimed to be there Mom.... Misty is nothing to them. Why portray herself to be??????"


Bolded by me: I think Misty is a little bit more than nothing to them. She took care of the kids. :confused:

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:00 PM
brother in law. I don't think she has a brother, just 2 sisters.


Cajun, I think I remember she lived in Daytona Beach area with a brother before coming up to Satsuma. I could be wrong though.

standing0
02-16-2009, 06:00 PM
Ahh but she would not have to wipe her own print off the lightswitch since she lives there.
LE would expect to find her print there.

Wouldn't LE expect to not find Misti's print on the lightswitch?

She did say she woke up and the light was already on.

~Lisa~
02-16-2009, 06:01 PM
Is Tommy Misty's brother? If not who is? I seem to lost that one along the way.



I think Tommy is married to her sister. I can't remember any names right now...

ladonna
02-16-2009, 06:01 PM
brother in law. I don't think she has a brother, just 2 sisters.


I thought she had two brothers. One who visited her the night Haleigh disappeared.

WillenFan21
02-16-2009, 06:01 PM
Um you guys? Misty's brother Tommy's wife has a VAN. I don't know if this would be significant but she has a picture of it on her myspace.

http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01047/45/44/1047534454_l.jpg

Tonia
02-16-2009, 06:02 PM
Cajun, I think I remember she lived in Daytona Beach area with a brother before coming up to Satsuma. I could be wrong though.

Well who is the one that we are speaking of that lives close to her and Ron and visited the day that Haleigh disappeared?

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:03 PM
Here's a list of who is who that Leila did and it's up in the media thread along with everyone's myspaces and other useful info...

Who’s Who


MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 23

Her mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marrige to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Her father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Step-father: Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Boyfriend: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)
Possible relationship: son of Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

His father: Jack Cummings

His mother: Theresa Neves

His sister: Crystal Cummings

His girlfriend: Misty Croslin – age 17

GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin

Her father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Her mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Her siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43; June Marie - age 63; Timothy A. - age 21; Michael - no age given.

WillenFan21
02-16-2009, 06:03 PM
I am pretty sure that Tommy is her brother though I could be wrong. Have you seen his picture? Misty looks exactly like him.

pirate
02-16-2009, 06:04 PM
Posted by Cheko1

"This has never sat well with me either....Haleigh has a Mom & its not Misty. This has been my complaint since the beginning of this case. I am a step mom to 3 sons / plus I have 4 kids of my own. I have never once claimed to be there Mom.... Misty is nothing to them. Why portray herself to be??????"


Bolded by me: I think Misty is a little bit more than nothing to them. She took care of the kids. :confused:


Thank you. I'm a stepmother and we have custody of my stepdaughter. I like to think I am something to her.

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:04 PM
I'm not sure which brother visited her Tonia, I'm sorry I didnt' follow that in the threads.

I do think I remember she has two brothers. Tommy and Timmy. One of them lives close by, maybe someone will remember which one lives closeby.

pirate
02-16-2009, 06:05 PM
Wouldn't LE expect to not find Misti's print on the lightswitch?

She did say she woke up and the light was already on.


But she uses the switch all the time since she lives there.

PinkyPoo
02-16-2009, 06:05 PM
Wouldn't LE expect to not find Misti's print on the lightswitch?

She did say she woke up and the light was already on.

She lives there. Her prints should be all over the place, including the lightswitch.

Tonia
02-16-2009, 06:05 PM
Here's a list of who is who that Leila did and it's up in the media thread along with everyone's myspaces and other useful info...

Who’s Who


MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 23

Her mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marrige to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Her father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Step-father: Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Boyfriend: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)
Possible relationship: son of Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

His father: Jack Cummings

His mother: Theresa Neves

His sister: Crystal Cummings

His girlfriend: Misty Croslin – age 17

GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin

Her father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Her mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Her siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43; June Marie - age 63; Timothy A. - age 21; Michael - no age given.

Thank you,im asuming there was proof to this. Alot seemed to be confused about the sibilings part as well as me as to who is who.

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:05 PM
Um you guys? Misty's brother Tommy's wife has a VAN. I don't know if this would be significant but she has a picture of it on her myspace.

http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01047/45/44/1047534454_l.jpg

Tommy is married to Lindsy, Misty's sister.

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:05 PM
I see that Cajun but I'll go back and look again. I could have sworn....

aprilshowers
02-16-2009, 06:06 PM
OK guys, question:

If this were your child, and you were innocent, what would you be doing right now?

Would you just sit still and let LE do their thing? Would you be insisting that you be involved in searching, maybe go off on your own .. etc.?

I could NOT sit still, even after all these days, ESPECIALLY after all these days!

What about you?

~Lisa~
02-16-2009, 06:06 PM
Does anyone have Tommy's myspace link?
tia

panthera
02-16-2009, 06:07 PM
Um you guys? Misty's brother Tommy's wife has a VAN. I don't know if this would be significant but she has a picture of it on her myspace.

http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01047/45/44/1047534454_l.jpg
It seems this could be the van she was referring to that her blanket was in?? MOO

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:07 PM
Lindsy is the sister who is married to Tommy who drives the van and lives around the corner from them.

Dev
02-16-2009, 06:08 PM
Hi Dev, welcome to WS...you'll be hooked on this just like the rest of us in no time!

Sorry if O/T but I wonder if Tim Miller is going to Arkansas to search for the missing 3 year old boy, he disappeared right around the same time as Haleigh...haven't heard for sure, but that's a possibility.

Thanks, murdershewrote!
I think the first time I heard of Tim Miller was when he helped in the Natalee Holloway search. I read of the subpoenas he got from the Anthony defendant. (That's the nicest term I can think of for her.)
I am beginning to think that the police covering Haleigh's case are trying to see if they can tone down the media attention--they may have decided that their case temporarily needs less, not more, attention. Pure speculation, but this might be part of a strategy or something. More speculation: maybe Tim's going away from the Haleigh search is part of that strategy.

lorilei
02-16-2009, 06:09 PM
OK guys, question:

If this were your child, and you were innocent, what would you be doing right now?

Would you just sit still and let LE do their thing? Would you be insisting that you be involved in searching, maybe go off on your own .. etc.?

I could NOT sit still, even after all these days, ESPECIALLY after all these days!

What about you?

I personally would be going door to door insisting on searching myself. Believe me my neighbors would offer their homes for me to search. If they wouldn't than i would be insisting on police to go look. I could not sit and wait.NO WAY

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:09 PM
Thank you,im asuming there was proof to this. Alot seemed to be confused about the sibilings part as well as me as to who is who.

Tonia back in one of the threads they were all sleuthed. A lot of information about them was posted.

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:10 PM
Does anyone have Tommy's myspace link?
tia


Lisa it's on the media/documents thread for Haleigh.

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:10 PM
Tommy's myspace. All the myspaces are up in the media thread, first or second page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882

WillenFan21
02-16-2009, 06:10 PM
Lindsy is the sister who is married to Tommy who drives the van and lives around the corner from them.

OK. Well then how about this then...

My cousins(that are sisters btw) call/refer to thier brother-inlaws as "brother" I have heard them say several time that their one brother in-law is the annoying brother(joking of course) they never had.

Just a possible theory on this one but could Misty be refering to her brother in-law as "brother"? Maybe Tommy is refering to him as the "brother" that visited her that day.

standing0
02-16-2009, 06:11 PM
She lives there. Her prints should be all over the place, including the lightswitch.


Right. On any given day, her fingerprint should probably be on the lightswitch. But on this day, she should not have been the last person to touch that switch. I'll concede her fingerprint could be on the lightswitch, but someone else's fingerprint should be on it too. According to her story anyway.

My thinking is, if ONLY Misti's print is on the switch, then she's lying about what happened that night.

I have no idea if LE can seperate two distinct fingerprints, one on top if the other, but I really believe whoever touched that switch last is the key to pretty much everything.

pirate
02-16-2009, 06:11 PM
OK guys, question:

If this were your child, and you were innocent, what would you be doing right now?

Would you just sit still and let LE do their thing? Would you be insisting that you be involved in searching, maybe go off on your own .. etc.?

I could NOT sit still, even after all these days, ESPECIALLY after all these days!

What about you?


Dad was out on horseback searching today. Video was just on the news.

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:12 PM
Before this moves on any further, I want to welcome all the new posters! Things (as you can see) get heated in here and they move remarkably fast-so if you aren't greeted personally or your comments aren't responded to directly, YOU AREN'T BEING IGNORED! :)

We're glad you're here and please don't be shy.

Ok, back to this family tree thing...I am TOTALLY confused about Misty's siblings. I thought she has a brother who lives on Tyler. Am I even on the right missing person's case?:confused:

not_my_kids
02-16-2009, 06:12 PM
Okay, I time outed myself and I feel better now.

As for Misty referring to Haleigh as her daughter, I think it was one more sign of the playing house mentality. It was an image she was putting off, IF we believe Ron, she originally told him that "Your daughter is missing." Then a few minutes later on the phone, she tells the 911 operator that "My daughter is missing."

In my mind, this is a sign of guilt, but that is just a personal observation, based on the fact that when our kids are being REALLY bad, I tell my fiance that HIS kids are into things, however, the rest of the time I tend to call them MY kids.
I think that Haleigh had done something "bad" that set Misty off and her anger was not totally gone when she talked to Ron initially, but by the time she called 911, she had already seen Ron's initial reaction and the severity of the situation was hitting her.
Totally my own opinion.

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:13 PM
OK. Well then how about this then...

My cousins(that are sisters btw) call thier brother-inlaws her "brother" I have heard them say several time that their brother in-law is the annoying brother(joking of course) they never had.

Just a possible theory on this one but could Misty be refering to her brother in-law as "brother"? Maybe Tommy is refering to him as the "brother" that visited her that day.

Could be. I don't remember exactly what she said about who was over. guess I need to go and reread it, LOL. It's like information overload. :eek:

kikid
02-16-2009, 06:13 PM
Thank you. I'm a stepmother and we have custody of my stepdaughter. I like to think I am something to her.

i think the point was that Misty wasn't their step mom. She was their dad's girlfriend for the last 5 months. Even if she'd been taking care of them over this time, it doesn't make her a "Step Mom". More of a live-in babysitter really. It's possible to say she was the closest thing these babies had to a full time mom, but still it isn't even close to the real thing IMO.

momtective
02-16-2009, 06:13 PM
Tommy is married to Lindsy, Misty's sister.

No, Tommy is Misty's brother...he is married to Lindsy.
Misty's other brother is Timmy and he is married to Chelsea.

Tonia
02-16-2009, 06:13 PM
Tonia back in one of the threads they were all sleuthed. A lot of information about them was posted.


I like how you put that! No way will i even try. I got my answer. On Tommy's myspace he has a video of pics,whatever you call them. There is a pic of Misty and Lindsy and it says "my sis and Lindsy".

pirate
02-16-2009, 06:14 PM
Isn't Tommy's name Hank Thomas Croslin Jr???

~Lisa~
02-16-2009, 06:14 PM
Thank you, Kat and cajan!

GRANNYL
02-16-2009, 06:15 PM
Go to News4Jax.com for latest news. Just saw a live report from Satsuma showing Police car's lights flashing blocking road next to railroad tracks checking all cars. Say "just a routine check" but reporter said TES said they would stay until tomorrow in case they are needed. Something is going on reporter said she had seen unmarked cars going down pass where she was standing along railroad tracks.

TV4 said they will breakin with updates immediately! May just been a "routine check" but got the impression reporter felt it was more.

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:15 PM
I like how you put that! No way will i even try. I got my answer. On Tommy's myspace he has a video of pics,whatever you call them. There is a pic of Misty and Lindsy and it says "my sis and Lindsy".

Hey Tonia, as a matter of fact Momtective is the one who did a lot of sleuthing on those two brothers, I see she just popped in again...hi Momtective:)

momtective
02-16-2009, 06:15 PM
Does anyone have Tommy's myspace link?
tia

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:16 PM
Isn't Tommy's name Hank Thomas Croslin Jr???

I don't know at this point. Having a headache doesn't help and I was going by what was up on the media thread. time for a break. :)

Shelby77
02-16-2009, 06:16 PM
Just to clear things up for people,

Tommy and Timmy are Misty's bros.

Lindsy Kate Croslin (maiden name Collins) married to Tommy with 3 kids, 2 boys and a girl.

Chelsea (don't know maiden name) is married to Timmy with 2 girls and a boy on the way.

NO SISTERS.

Carry on.....

Oh and Chelsea has a new "Hayleigh" photo album on her MS, lots of new picss to be seen there......

Shelby77
02-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Isn't Tommy's name Hank Thomas Croslin Jr???

Yes it is.

tx_Dot
02-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Information On Haleigh Cummings.

"Players" involved & media links on this main page.

WillenFan21
02-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Go to News4Jax.com for latest news. Just saw a live report from Satsuma showing Police car's lights flashing blocking road next to railroad tracks checking all cars. Say "just a routine check" but reporter said TES said they would stay until tomorrow in case they are needed. Something is going on reporter said she had seen unmarked cars going down pass where she was standing along railroad tracks.

TV4 said they will breakin with updates immediately! May just been a "routine check" but got the impression reporter felt it was more.

Can you provide a direct link? I don't see a video you are talking about,

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:18 PM
I guess Leila needs to change her who's who post. :crazy:

Wise Old Owl
02-16-2009, 06:19 PM
Go to News4Jax.com for latest news. Just saw a live report from Satsuma showing Police car's lights flashing blocking road next to railroad tracks checking all cars. Say "just a routine check" but reporter said TES said they would stay until tomorrow in case they are needed. Something is going on reporter said she had seen unmarked cars going down pass where she was standing along railroad tracks.

TV4 said they will breakin with updates immediately! May just been a "routine check" but got the impression reporter felt it was more.
I was going to say something as well. On HLN while they are talking about Haleigh's case they are showing video in the background. I have seen this twice now - as the story repeats. It shows a pickup truck and two guys loading what looks to be a big piece of "skirting" from a mobile home. They are laying it flat and its longer than the bed of the truck - then the camera zooms in and shows a cooler sitting on top of that skirting. The skirting is white and is the "lattice type" that you usually see around the bottom of mobile homes.

Did anyone else notice this?

scandi
02-16-2009, 06:20 PM
Thanks, murdershewrote!
I think the first time I heard of Tim Miller was when he helped in the Natalee Holloway search. I read of the subpoenas he got from the Anthony defendant. (That's the nicest term I can think of for her.)
I am beginning to think that the police covering Haleigh's case are trying to see if they can tone down the media attention--they may have decided that their case temporarily needs less, not more, attention. Pure speculation, but this might be part of a strategy or something. More speculation: maybe Tim's going away from the Haleigh search is part of that strategy.


Hi Dev, I think your idea that LE thinks less media attention at this point inthe case is right on. It fits with the Sheriff saying they don't need a thousand people searching, in fact I think they have stopped searches. They want to talk to someone who has not been seen or heard from since Feb 1st and they might be looking at a link to Haleigh, even though she disappeared several days later.

Mostly, I think they want the perp to think they have nothing going on, no new leads on where to search {mentioned on FOX} and zoning in on a man who most likely couldn't be the one who took Haleigh. This will lull the perp into a false sense of security and hopefully he/she will take the bait and spill some beans.

PaulaF513
02-16-2009, 06:20 PM
Tommy's myspace. All the myspaces are up in the media thread, first or second page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882
According to this MySpace page, Lindsy is Tommy's wife and Misty is his sister

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:21 PM
I was going to say something as well. On HLN while they are talking about Haleigh's case they are showing video in the background. I have seen this twice now - as the story repeats. It shows a pickup truck and two guys loading what looks to be a big piece of "skirting" from a mobile home. They are laying it flat and its longer than the bed of the truck - then the camera zooms in and shows a cooler sitting on top of that skirting. The skirting is white and is the "lattice type" that you usually see around the bottom of mobile homes.

Did anyone else notice this? Swag, I saw that the other day (the one guy had a cowboy hat on iIrc). It was footage of them checking cars on the highway outside of the trailer court, I believe.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 06:22 PM
Tommy is married to Lindsy, Misty's sister.

That was reported incorrectly in the beginning. She has two brothers, Lindsay and the other gal are sister in laws.

panthera
02-16-2009, 06:22 PM
I was going to say something as well. On HLN while they are talking about Haleigh's case they are showing video in the background. I have seen this twice now - as the story repeats. It shows a pickup truck and two guys loading what looks to be a big piece of "skirting" from a mobile home. They are laying it flat and its longer than the bed of the truck - then the camera zooms in and shows a cooler sitting on top of that skirting. The skirting is white and is the "lattice type" that you usually see around the bottom of mobile homes.

Did anyone else notice this?
I've had HLN on but didn't look at all of the video. I don't think it's anything new though. :confused:

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:23 PM
Did Misty check into her myspace today again? Just curious, not going anywhere with that question.

Dev
02-16-2009, 06:23 PM
Before this moves on any further, I want to welcome all the new posters! Things (as you can see) get heated in here and they move remarkably fast-so if you aren't greeted personally or your comments aren't responded to directly, YOU AREN'T BEING IGNORED! :)

We're glad you're here and please don't be shy.

Ok, back to this family tree thing...I am TOTALLY confused about Misty's siblings. I thought she has a brother who lives on Tyler. Am I even on the right missing person's case?:confused:

Thank you!
I was just looking to see if Jane VM's show was on. It was on, but all I saw were stories about other things, not Haleigh Cummings. That leaves Nancy Grace, later.
My impression of Misty is the same as that of a lot of posters here. It appears that she has been sort of on her own for a long time. I watched her on TV and listened to the 911 tape. She seems to be either very sleepy, or confused, or not too bright, and/or drugged (not necessarily with illegal drugs, maybe with prescribed drugs), or all of the above. Some 17-year-olds would be capable of babysitting a little 5-yr-old with Turner's syndrome, and the little brother, but IMO Misty is not such a person. IMO she looks like she can barely take care of herself.

Wise Old Owl
02-16-2009, 06:23 PM
Swag, I saw that the other day (the one guy had a cowboy hat on iIrc). It was footage of them checking cars on the highway outside of the trailer court, I believe.
Why show them loading a piece of skirting and a cooler on a truck tho? I haven't seen that yet - first time was today. I guess I missed it before. I saw the traffic stops to - but that was later in the video.

momtective
02-16-2009, 06:23 PM
Misty Croslin’s myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=88648517

Tommy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother) hasn’t logged in since 07
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882

DOB Sept 26, 1986
Occupation: Does drywall
Wife: Lindsy

Lindsy’s myspace (Married to Tommy Croslin) last log in 2/12/09 www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin
kids: 3
They live in Palatka and she grew up in Flagler Beach. They just bought their first home. She’s going to school to be a LPN and will graduate in July


Timothy Croslin’s myspace http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1
(Misty’s Brother) DOB June 21, 1987 – Wife Chelsea(married 2-11-06) -Child 2 Occupation: Drywall finisher

Chelsea Croslin’s www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin
Married to Timothy Croslin
Children: 2
DOB Sep 29 1987
Home town: Cape Cod
Birthplace: Falmouth mass

Kat
02-16-2009, 06:24 PM
You rock momtective :blowkiss:

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:26 PM
Why show them loading a piece of skirting and a cooler on a truck tho? I haven't seen that yet - first time was today. I guess I missed it before. I saw the traffic stops to - but that was later in the video.
Maybe because it's sensational? I really don't know, but I recall thinking that a child's body could fit in a cooler that size when I saw the footage.

murdershewrote
02-16-2009, 06:26 PM
I know with other searches, they have been scaled back then resumed, and scaled back again and resumed. This is kind of the norm I think.

But it has to be heartbreaking for a family to realize that search resources are limited to a great degree, especially after the 1st week.

Saturday was a complete black out as far as TV coverage, at least where I live. There wasn't one single story on TV about this case, until Geraldo's show last night. I thought that was quite odd.

kellync
02-16-2009, 06:26 PM
remember it is post # 66 because undoubtedly, it will be asked again and again and again

murdershewrote
02-16-2009, 06:27 PM
Does anybody know whose truck has the Grave Digger signage on the back...that gave me the total creeps.

JenBMomto3
02-16-2009, 06:28 PM
I was going to say something as well. On HLN while they are talking about Haleigh's case they are showing video in the background. I have seen this twice now - as the story repeats. It shows a pickup truck and two guys loading what looks to be a big piece of "skirting" from a mobile home. They are laying it flat and its longer than the bed of the truck - then the camera zooms in and shows a cooler sitting on top of that skirting. The skirting is white and is the "lattice type" that you usually see around the bottom of mobile homes.

Did anyone else notice this?

The video of them with the Lattice in the bed of truck laying it flat and then placing a cooler on top is a video I have already seen it was on yesterday as well. Then they showed the video of checking vehicles and handing the man in the van a flyer of Haleigh this is also one that I saw yesterday too.

jaimie43
02-16-2009, 06:28 PM
Before this moves on any further, I want to welcome all the new posters! Things (as you can see) get heated in here and they move remarkably fast-so if you aren't greeted personally or your comments aren't responded to directly, YOU AREN'T BEING IGNORED! :)


Thank you so much! In my younger years I really wanted to be a P.I., Took the classes...TWICE! lol....but then the kids, and marriage, you get the picture. This is totally OT but every time I see someone post "super sleuth" I start singing that Rick James song...Super Freak with the words super sleuth in there..Im strange, I know!....:biggrin:

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 06:28 PM
Maybe because it's sensational? I really don't know, but I recall thinking that a child's body could fit in a cooler that size when I saw the footage.
:eek:

not_my_kids
02-16-2009, 06:29 PM
I know with other searches, they have been scaled back then resumed, and scaled back again and resumed. This is kind of the norm I think.

But it has to be heartbreaking for a family to realize that search resources are limited to a great degree, especially after the 1st week.

Saturday was a complete black out as far as TV coverage, at least where I live. There wasn't one single story on TV about this case, until Geraldo's show last night. I thought that was quite odd.


Even early on in the Caylee Anthony case, there were blackout days, especially early on. Haleigh's case is still "tragic", once it becomes "sensational" we will be hearing about it everyday, a tleast on the national stations.

Tonia
02-16-2009, 06:29 PM
Just to clear things up for people,

Tommy and Timmy are Misty's bros.

Lindsy Kate Croslin (maiden name Collins) married to Tommy with 3 kids, 2 boys and a girl.

Chelsea (don't know maiden name) is married to Timmy with 2 girls and a boy on the way.

NO SISTERS.

Carry on.....

Oh and Chelsea has a new "Hayleigh" photo album on her MS, lots of new picss to be seen there......

She looked so happy in the pictures and while i know pics cant tell everything,she looks to be very well taken care of. I love the pic with her in the sunglasses looking like "Miss Priss". Poor baby,makes me sad. The pictures of JR.,the thing he made for her was heartbreaking.:frown:

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 06:29 PM
Thank you so much! In my younger years I really wanted to be a P.I., Took the classes...TWICE! lol....but then the kids, and marriage, you get the picture. This is totally OT but every time I see someone post "super sleuth" I start singing that Rick James song...Super Freak with the words super sleuth in there..Im strange, I know!....:biggrin:
Hey, makes sense to me! :crazy:

ElizaAvalon
02-16-2009, 06:31 PM
Bond wrote:
...Misty's brother....

Methinks his whereabouts need to be VERY closely accounted for...

Mmmm... I'm with you.

panthera
02-16-2009, 06:31 PM
Did Misty check into her myspace today again? Just curious, not going anywhere with that question.
Not yet! :)

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 06:32 PM
Thank you so much! In my younger years I really wanted to be a P.I., Took the classes...TWICE! lol....but then the kids, and marriage, you get the picture. This is totally OT but every time I see someone post "super sleuth" I start singing that Rick James song...Super Freak with the words super sleuth in there..Im strange, I know!....:biggrin:

Great, now I am going to be singing she's a super sleuth, super sleuth everytime I see it too! LOL

Dev
02-16-2009, 06:34 PM
Hi Dev, I think your idea that LE thinks less media attention at this point inthe case is right on. It fits with the Sheriff saying they don't need a thousand people searching, in fact I think they have stopped searches. They want to talk to someone who has not been seen or heard from since Feb 1st and they might be looking at a link to Haleigh, even though she disappeared several days later.

Mostly, I think they want the perp to think they have nothing going on, no new leads on where to search {mentioned on FOX} and zoning in on a man who most likely couldn't be the one who took Haleigh. This will lull the perp into a false sense of security and hopefully he/she will take the bait and spill some beans.

Thanks, scandi! The person who hasn't been seen/heard from since Feb. 1, is that that Chad guy?
I agree about lulling the perp into a false sense of security. A long time ago there was a case of a woman's disappearance that I followed in the news (didn't have internet back then) and the police began to close in around the person they thought was the kidnapper, and he committed suicide. Result: the woman's body (poor soul was presumed dead by then) was never found. No ending for the mystery. Horrible.

pirate
02-16-2009, 06:35 PM
Nancy Grace tonight is prerecorded and about Caylee.

Shelby77
02-16-2009, 06:36 PM
She looked so happy in the pictures and while i know pics cant tell everything,she looks to be very well taken care of. I love the pic with her in the sunglasses looking like "Miss Priss". Poor baby,makes me sad. The pictures of JR.,the thing he made for her was heartbreaking.:frown:


I know, I look at those pics and I can't help but believe that this little girl was loved and taken care of. While I know many do not approve of the appearance of their life style, I believe that a childs happiness is indicative of the overall home life. Misty may have her faults, but I think she loved and was good to Ron's kids. IMO of course.

How lonely indeed little JR must be tonight :(

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:36 PM
Thank you!
I was just looking to see if Jane VM's show was on. It was on, but all I saw were stories about other things, not Haleigh Cummings. That leaves Nancy Grace, later.
My impression of Misty is the same as that of a lot of posters here. It appears that she has been sort of on her own for a long time. I watched her on TV and listened to the 911 tape. She seems to be either very sleepy, or confused, or not too bright, and/or drugged (not necessarily with illegal drugs, maybe with prescribed drugs), or all of the above. Some 17-year-olds would be capable of babysitting a little 5-yr-old with Turner's syndrome, and the little brother, but IMO Misty is not such a person. IMO she looks like she can barely take care of herself.
I agree. I also think, based on video of Misty walking around with a cigarette in her hand, that she's just a young kid, "playing" at being a grown-up.

I hope she didn't lose her temper and hurt little Hayleigh, but it's extremely common in cases of domestic violence for the child to be injured by the non-biological "parent"-caregiver. Especially if the caregiver is a teen, they are just not always equipped to manage their temper/anger.

scandi
02-16-2009, 06:36 PM
Maybe because it's sensational? I really don't know, but I recall thinking that a child's body could fit in a cooler that size when I saw the footage.

Hi Anita, I read here this morning that Haleigh weighed about 39 lbs. I wonder if that could really be true? So small for age 5 ;}

Searchfortruth
02-16-2009, 06:37 PM
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

ElizaAvalon
02-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Before this moves on any further, I want to welcome all the new posters! Things (as you can see) get heated in here and they move remarkably fast-so if you aren't greeted personally or your comments aren't responded to directly, YOU AREN'T BEING IGNORED! :)

We're glad you're here and please don't be shy.

Ok, back to this family tree thing...I am TOTALLY confused about Misty's siblings. I thought she has a brother who lives on Tyler. Am I even on the right missing person's case?:confused:

LOL! Yes you are.

Hank Thomas Croslin Jr AKA Tommy is Misty's brother. He is married to Lindsy, has 2 sons and a daughter and owns a minivan. He lives on Tyler, around the corner from the Cummings

Timothy Croslin is also Misty's brother. He is married to Chelsea, has 2 young daughters and I have no idea where they live but they have a cute green house (pictured in Chelsea's myspace) somewhere, probably in the general area.

Misty has stated that her brother and nephews came to the home the afternoon of the day that Haleigh went missing for about 30 minutes. It is ASSUMED - by me at least - to be Tommy and sons because a) he is the only brother with sons and b) he lives around the corner.

Man oh man I wish we had a forum...

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Hi Anita, I read here this morning that Haleigh weighed about 39 lbs. I wonder if that could really be true? So small for age 5 ;}
Hi Scandi! My little 5 year old is 39 lbs, as well. She's a tiny little thing. I know for a fact that she can fit into our cooler as she about gave me a heart attack by climbing into it (to hide from her sister) as we were cleaning the garage recently.

Searchfortruth
02-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Hi Anita, I read here this morning that Haleigh weighed about 39 lbs. I wonder if that could really be true? So small for age 5 ;}I believe that growth problems are common w/ Turners, I think she was on growth hormones at one point.

GRANNYL
02-16-2009, 06:39 PM
Can you provide a direct link? I don't see a video you are talking about,

Sorry after I posted this I went back and looked at the top video and it says nothing. They just came on again and showed about 10 police car lights flashing and a raw count of about 15 LE. They are stopping every car and looking inside. They seem to be breaking in every few minutes with update

I'm sure this site will update video when the news goes off at 7PM EST.

Just did a full update. Stopping cars going into and out of neighborhood checking. This was last done the first day (Tuesday).

"Heavy Police Presence at Cummins home". Showed Detectives going door to door, not searching homes but making contact with residents.

If anything is said I will post.

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:40 PM
Thank you so much! In my younger years I really wanted to be a P.I., Took the classes...TWICE! lol....but then the kids, and marriage, you get the picture. This is totally OT but every time I see someone post "super sleuth" I start singing that Rick James song...Super Freak with the words super sleuth in there..Im strange, I know!....:biggrin:
Aw, Jaimie, you are more like most of us than you know.

:hums "super sleuth":

mydailyopinions
02-16-2009, 06:40 PM
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

Thank you for the link! I think this statement is very telling!
"We don't have all our questions answered and, obviously, we don't have Haleigh," Hardy said. "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary."
People need to realize that when you give a statement to the authorities, the evidence must back up your story!

GRANNYL
02-16-2009, 06:41 PM
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

Thanks, this is the channel I'm talking about.

Also said they will be searching two more areas tomorrow.

GRANNYL:)

passionflower
02-16-2009, 06:42 PM
OK guys, question:

If this were your child, and you were innocent, what would you be doing right now?

Would you just sit still and let LE do their thing? Would you be insisting that you be involved in searching, maybe go off on your own .. etc.?

I could NOT sit still, even after all these days, ESPECIALLY after all these days!

What about you?

I would be totally nuts by now........sorry, I'd be doing my thing and out searching.....calling etc.......LE would have to lock me up because I could not just sit and wait! I would be hysterical!!!

shergal
02-16-2009, 06:43 PM
it could be interpretted that if misty was responsible for the disapearance, then she might have called haleigh her daughter (knowing it was being recorded) so people will think that she thinks of haleigh as her daughter and would never do anything to hurt her.

i see it as just a possibility, though. there are so many things in this case that could be key clues or could be meaningless. it's so hard to decide anything for certain with the limited info we have......

She probably called Haleigh her daughter because it was just easier than having to explain, "I'm not really the mom, I'm the dad's gf and he's separated." Not everything has to be sinister, IMO.

Shutterfly
02-16-2009, 06:43 PM
In light of all the good parent/bad parent discussion, I thought you guys might enjoy this. Just my way of attempting to break some of the tension while we wait and pray for answers.

To all the kids who survived the 1940's,50's, 60's ,70's and 80's!!


First,
we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a
can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then
after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in
baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on
doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had
baseball caps not helmets on our heads.


As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no
car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding
in the back of a pick up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We
drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle
and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We
drank Kool-aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't
overweight.

WHY?

Because we were always outside, playing...that ' s why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as
long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the
brakes. After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal
computers, no Internet and no chat rooms

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there
were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did
not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games
with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door
or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those
who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was
unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers problem solvers and inventors ever.

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we
learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of us,
CONGRATULATIONS!

Dev
02-16-2009, 06:43 PM
Hi Anita, I read here this morning that Haleigh weighed about 39 lbs. I wonder if that could really be true? So small for age 5 ;}

I think it probably is true, and I found it odd, too, till I read that she has Turner's syndrome. I read that in this article:

http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

I am no expert, but you can find info on this condition on wikipedia or google. It is a serious condition, and it is something some children are born with. I don't think it is caused by poor prenatal care or by a parent doing drugs during pregnancy (not saying the mother did that, but it was alleged she used drugs some time in the past). It has to do with chromosomes. It can cause a child to be smaller than average and can cause all sorts of problems.

Also, someone posted that the court documents said the mother had missed a lot of Haleigh's doctor appointments. If Haleigh had Turner's syndrome, that's why she had so many appointments, and it would IMO be really bad neglect to not take a child with this condition to the doctor regularly!

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:44 PM
I know, I look at those pics and I can't help but believe that this little girl was loved and taken care of. While I know many do not approve of the appearance of their life style, I believe that a childs happiness is indicative of the overall home life. Misty may have her faults, but I think she loved and was good to Ron's kids. IMO of course.

How lonely indeed little JR must be tonight :(

Children can be loved and taken care of...but then in an instant a care-giver who is stressed/angry/emotionally unequipped to deal with their temper just snaps and the child is injured. I've seen it in situations where the kindest, most loving woman has child care in her home, snaps and shakes a baby nearly to death. It's horrible, but sometimes the people who harm children aren't monsters in their every waking moment.

jaimie43
02-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Guys, I meant to add that one of my brothers is a P.I. in Destin FL...so if theres ever anything that he can help with Im sure he would.

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:46 PM
LOL! Yes you are.

Hank Thomas Croslin Jr AKA Tommy is Misty's brother. He is married to Lindsy, has 2 sons and a daughter and owns a minivan. He lives on Tyler, around the corner from the Cummings

Timothy Croslin is also Misty's brother. He is married to Chelsea, has 2 young daughters and I have no idea where they live but they have a cute green house (pictured in Chelsea's myspace) somewhere, probably in the general area.

Misty has stated that her brother and nephews came to the home the afternoon of the day that Haleigh went missing for about 30 minutes. It is ASSUMED - by me at least - to be Tommy and sons because a) he is the only brother with sons and b) he lives around the corner.

Man oh man I wish we had a forum...

You're the best! :blowkiss:


Me too!

momtective
02-16-2009, 06:47 PM
I noticed in one of the videos that the skirting of the Cummings home was torn away in a large section near the back/side door. Did anyone else notice that? And I have seen no mention of, or video of LE going under that mobile home. Anyone else?

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 06:47 PM
I believe that growth problems are common w/ Turners, I think she was on growth hormones at one point.

It also said that the motor skills can be effected. I don't see Misti intentionally harming this little girl, but I have wondered a couple of times about a bathtub drowning. Fits well with a neglect scenario, but 5 seemed old to me for that type of accident. Just thinking outloud.

scandi
02-16-2009, 06:47 PM
Hi Scandi! My little 5 year old is 39 lbs, as well. She's a tiny little thing. I know for a fact that she can fit into our cooler as she about gave me a heart attack by climbing into it (to hide from her sister) as we were cleaning the garage recently.


Thanks Anita and Searchfortruth, They think Madeleine McCann weighed about 36 lbs at age 4.

It just seems so small it makes me hope Haleigh was fed nutritious food. I know with health issues even with the perfect diet they will still stay small for their age. I had heard about the Turners but really never read much about it.

xox

panthera
02-16-2009, 06:47 PM
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html
Very interesting! thanks for the update. :)

amethyst
02-16-2009, 06:50 PM
Ditto that, Shutterfly! I am 51 and can totally relate.

Dev
02-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I agree. I also think, based on video of Misty walking around with a cigarette in her hand, that she's just a young kid, "playing" at being a grown-up.

I hope she didn't lose her temper and hurt little Hayleigh, but it's extremely common in cases of domestic violence for the child to be injured by the non-biological "parent"-caregiver. Especially if the caregiver is a teen, they are just not always equipped to manage their temper/anger.

You're right about that. And I seriously doubt there's been anyone around lately who has given Misty any guidance on how to take care of small children. I mean, I don't hear that there was any older person, like a mom, that she seemed to have, to turn to. Ron himself is still in his early to mid 20's.
Also, Misty seems so passive and clueless, it seems like she might neglect a child and maybe not even realize (or have enough energy to care?) that she's neglecting her. Like maybe leaving the child or children alone in the trailer, as many here have speculated.

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I noticed in one of the videos that the skirting of the Cummings home was torn away in a large section near the back/side door. Did anyone else notice that? And I have seen no mention of, or video of LE going under that mobile home. Anyone else?
No, I didn't notice that!

MeoW333
02-16-2009, 06:52 PM
I noticed in one of the videos that the skirting of the Cummings home was torn away in a large section near the back/side door. Did anyone else notice that? And I have seen no mention of, or video of LE going under that mobile home. Anyone else?

I didn't notice, i'm glad it was though. If someone is underneath a mobile home, you can hear everyone's footsteps; even with carpet. It's good their checking underneath for potential evidence, i had been thinking about that.. also cinderblocks could be underneath

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 06:54 PM
It also said that the motor skills can be effected. I don't see Misti intentionally harming this little girl, but I have wondered a couple of times about a bathtub drowning. Fits well with a neglect scenario, but 5 seemed old to me for that type of accident. Just thinking outloud.
Hmmm....are seizures common with Turner's Syndrome? Five is a little old for a tub accident; however, I am clumsy myself and prone to slipping in the shower. Because of this, I am extremely cautious with my girls in the tub, knowing that it would be easy to slip & bang their head on the wall/tub and drown. :(

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 06:55 PM
Hi folks,

Just checking in and haven't caught up on everything. It appears Misty is pretty adamant that back door was locked.

anymore news on the cynder block/brick?

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Searchfortruth
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.htmlThis is very curious. First, the search of the field and then they come back to the house. Hmmmm...What could that mean? I think something is brewing.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 06:58 PM
I see we are still back to including Misty on the theory of missing Haleigh. The dog tracking to the pond and then the tracks tells me this child was taken. Why would Misty take this route late at night. BTW what time does it get dark in Florida? How long did the nephews play with Haleigh?

I wonder if the dogs were sent to track Misty's scent? If so they would know if Misty had been with Haleigh.

I don't think Misty is a subject.

panthera
02-16-2009, 06:58 PM
Hi folks,

Just checking in and haven't caught up on everything. It appears Misty is pretty adamant that back door was locked.

anymore news on the cynder block/brick?
The perp has to have gotten in somehow, so if LE says there's no sign of forced entry, just how did he get in? The front door? With a key? :waitasec: I wonder if her cousin could've stolen a spare key when he visited and took the gun? MOO

GRANNYL
02-16-2009, 06:58 PM
In light of all the good parent/bad parent discussion, I thought you guys might enjoy this. Just my way of attempting to break some of the tension while we wait and pray for answers.

To all the kids who survived the 1940's,50's, 60's ,70's and 80's!!


First,
we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a
can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then
after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in
baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on
doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had
baseball caps not helmets on our heads.


As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no
car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding
in the back of a pick up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We
drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle
and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We
drank Kool-aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't
overweight.

WHY?

Because we were always outside, playing...that ' s why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as
long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the
brakes. After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal
computers, no Internet and no chat rooms

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there
were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did
not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games
with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door
or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those
who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was
unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers problem solvers and inventors ever.

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we
learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of us,
CONGRATULATIONS!

WOW!! This really takes me back to my childhood (born Dec. 1941) and even reminded me of my four childrens younger years from (born 1964-1969).

Thanks really enjoyed reading and wish our lives could be so simple and trustworthy now. So sad!!

passionflower
02-16-2009, 06:58 PM
HLN....issues with JVM coming up with what they claim is the latest on Haleigh.............

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:58 PM
Hi folks,

Just checking in and haven't caught up on everything. It appears Misty is pretty adamant that back door was locked.

anymore news on the cynder block/brick?

Actually not much news today at all. We've just been talking about proper uses of numeric, the brothers/no brothers of Misty, the jailed/not jailed RSO Chad Reynolds...about it. :crazy:

SuziQ
02-16-2009, 06:59 PM
In light of all the good parent/bad parent discussion, I thought you guys might enjoy this. Just my way of attempting to break some of the tension while we wait and pray for answers.

To all the kids who survived the 1940's,50's, 60's ,70's and 80's!!



(snipped for space)
That was very cute! I'm lucky to live where the kids can still play like that.

Everyone needs to get their kids the below book. It's uber cool.

http://www.dangerousbookforboys.com/

ETA: my boy has a foreign metal object in his left eye orbit that will stay there forever....Hmmmm, wonder what he was doing when he got that?

cajun
02-16-2009, 06:59 PM
The perp has to have gotten in somehow, so if LE says there's no sign of forced entry, just how did he get in? The front door? With a key? :waitasec:

A key or unlocked door.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 06:59 PM
NG pretaped about kc anger behind bars............

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:00 PM
This is very curious. First, the search of the field and then they come back to the house. Hmmmm...What could that mean? I think something is brewing.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.


I couldn't find the last statement in the link provided. Federal agents and local police at their home today?

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:00 PM
In light of all the good parent/bad parent discussion, I thought you guys might enjoy this. Just my way of attempting to break some of the tension while we wait and pray for answers.

To all the kids who survived the 1940's,50's, 60's ,70's and 80's!!


First,
we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a
can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then
after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in
baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on
doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had
baseball caps not helmets on our heads.


As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no
car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding
in the back of a pick up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We
drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle
and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We
drank Kool-aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't
overweight.

WHY?

Because we were always outside, playing...that ' s why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as
long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the
brakes. After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal
computers, no Internet and no chat rooms

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there
were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did
not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games
with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door
or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those
who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was
unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers problem solvers and inventors ever.

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we
learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of us,
CONGRATULATIONS!

I've always enjoyed this! And its so true. Thanks for sharing.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:00 PM
A key or unlocked door.

I don't live or never have lived in a mobile home, anyone know how easy these locks are to pick?

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:00 PM
I would say this is new news:

Originally Posted by Searchfortruth
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:01 PM
This is very curious. First, the search of the field and then they come back to the house. Hmmmm...What could that mean? I think something is brewing.

Maybe they found something in the field that came from the home. Ie the garbage sacks from the Anthony home.

shadow of my mind
02-16-2009, 07:01 PM
In light of all the good parent/bad parent discussion, I thought you guys might enjoy this. Just my way of attempting to break some of the tension while we wait and pray for answers.

To all the kids who survived the 1940's,50's, 60's ,70's and 80's!!


First,
we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a
can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then
after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in
baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on
doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had
baseball caps not helmets on our heads.


As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no
car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding
in the back of a pick up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We
drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle
and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We
drank Kool-aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't
overweight.

WHY?

Because we were always outside, playing...that ' s why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as
long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the
brakes. After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal
computers, no Internet and no chat rooms

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there
were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did
not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games
with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door
or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those
who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was
unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers problem solvers and inventors ever.

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we
learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of us,
CONGRATULATIONS!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :)

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:01 PM
Jane Velez Mitchell is on HLN now talking about Haleigh. :)

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:01 PM
Actually not much news today at all. We've just been talking about proper uses of numeric, the brothers/no brothers of Misty, the jailed/not jailed RSO Chad Reynolds...about it. :crazy:

Thanks Cajun

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:02 PM
500 leads in 7 days

jaimie43
02-16-2009, 07:03 PM
I don't live or never have lived in a mobile home, anyone know how easy these locks are to pick?

Unbelievably easy. Dont really even have to pick. Just slide a credit card in and voila!

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:03 PM
bio mom on issues..........

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:03 PM
I would say this is new news:

Originally Posted by Searchfortruth
This is towards the bottom of the article, apologize if it has been posted already.

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

Interesting development, they must be onto something. I think someone has this kid still.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:04 PM
bio mom mind is blank, she has been told so many stories??????/

mydailyopinions
02-16-2009, 07:04 PM
This is very curious. First, the search of the field and then they come back to the house. Hmmmm...What could that mean? I think something is brewing.

Do we know if they have released the home back to Ron?

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
bio mom on issues..........
"my mind's blank ~I've been told so many stories ~ I don't know what to think". I don't believe JVM will get much information from her!

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
Unbelievably easy. Dont really even have to pick. Just slide a credit card in and voila!

Well there you have it then, a non issue. Westerfield came in through an unlocked garage door, but the sliding glass door they said easily could have been broken into the same way you described above.

The person who took this child is a criminal and pedophile.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
Prayer service again tonight.........
wants everyone together for Haleigh

cc81
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
anyone have the links to all the twitter pages?
GS hasn't been updating their page and I forgot to bookmark all the others

TIA!

Truthwillsetufree
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
In light of all the good parent/bad parent discussion, I thought you guys might enjoy this. Just my way of attempting to break some of the tension while we wait and pray for answers.

To all the kids who survived the 1940's,50's, 60's ,70's and 80's!!


First,
we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a
can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


Then
after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in
baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on
doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had
baseball caps not helmets on our heads.


As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no
car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding
in the back of a pick up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We
drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle
and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We
drank Kool-aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren't
overweight.

WHY?

Because we were always outside, playing...that ' s why!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as
long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the
brakes. After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's,
no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal
computers, no Internet and no chat rooms

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there
were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did
not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games
with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door
or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those
who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was
unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers problem solvers and inventors ever.

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we
learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of us,
CONGRATULATIONS!

Wow, a huge wave of memories just went over me, Thank You!

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:06 PM
bio mom still doesn't know about the sleeping arrangment that night............

CeeKer
02-16-2009, 07:06 PM
OK guys, question:

If this were your child, and you were innocent, what would you be doing right now?

Would you just sit still and let LE do their thing? Would you be insisting that you be involved in searching, maybe go off on your own .. etc.?

I could NOT sit still, even after all these days, ESPECIALLY after all these days!

What about you?

I could not sit still either! I know they don't like the families searching tho, which is why I thought it "said" something good about Ron that he went out both today (per 5:00 HLM news) and yesterday (per Geraldo's show).

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:07 PM
biomom didn't approve of 17 yo living with dad and watching her kids

Carrington
02-16-2009, 07:07 PM
Do we know if they have released the home back to Ron?

I read somewhere a couple more days.

mydailyopinions
02-16-2009, 07:07 PM
bio mom still doesn't know about the sleeping arrangment that night............

Heck, we don't know either. I sense from her the need to come together, but more I sense that she needs questions answered. Just like we do!

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:08 PM
Well not much more to do from this stand point. I would like more info on the brick/cynder block. It's our only clue at this point along with Haleigh's footprint. If the dog picked up on Misty's scent or not with the child. I'm betting not.

I think this child was taken by car which was parked down by the tracks. The fact that the child has not been recovered in the area tells me she was taken away by car. Small possibility the child is still alive. The perp. really has no need for her at this point unless he was sold into child porn ring, which is also possible.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:08 PM
JVM asked her if she's asked LE about Misty's changing stories, or if media has gotten things wrong, and she said she hadn't thought about that (asking LE). :waitasec: She's saying she really didn't approve of Misty taking care of the children but Misty is his girlfriend. She says she agreed to a polygraph but hasn't taken one yet. She's trying to hold herself together the best she can. "I have my other two children I have to be strong for, and for Haleigh when she comes home".

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:08 PM
biomom seems to think Haleigh will come home alive

elfie
02-16-2009, 07:09 PM
Crytsal S appears to have lost weight already. :(

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:10 PM
wow on TV the woods is really overgrown........

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Crytsal S appears to have lost weight already. :(
She doesn't look well at all. :(

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:10 PM
I will add it's my belief we are dealing with a sophistocated pedophile here. Well versed. I think he is an older man late 40's even early 50's. Lived or frequented the area. Perhaps friend of known pedophile's in the area???

mydailyopinions
02-16-2009, 07:10 PM
JVM asked her if she's asked LE about Misty's changing stories, or if media has gotten things wrong, and she said she hadn't thought about that (asking LE). :waitasec: She's saying she really didn't approve of Misty taking care of the children but Misty is his girlfriend. She says she agreed to a polygraph but hasn't taken one yet. She's trying to hold herself together the best she can. "I have my other two children I have to be strong for, and for Haleigh when she comes home".

She hasn't thought about asking LE? OMG... You would think that the one story that changes everytime the sun goes down would be the first thing you ask LE about!

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:11 PM
The perp has to have gotten in somehow, so if LE says there's no sign of forced entry, just how did he get in? The front door? With a key? :waitasec: I wonder if her cousin could've stolen a spare key when he visited and took the gun? MOO
Or maybe the door was never really locked to begin with.

pirate
02-16-2009, 07:11 PM
JVM asked her if she's asked LE about Misty's changing stories, or if media has gotten things wrong, and she said she hadn't thought about that (asking LE). :waitasec: She's saying she really didn't approve of Misty taking care of the children but Misty is his girlfriend. She says she agreed to a polygraph but hasn't taken one yet. She's trying to hold herself together the best she can. "I have my other two children I have to be strong for, and for Haleigh when she comes home".

My bold- very telling as to where LE is looking for answers.

Biomom must not be suspected as involved.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:11 PM
nite folks. Hope this comes to an end soon. But I do fear the worst for this child. I hope this country wakes up and enforces stricter laws against these type of crimes.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:11 PM
Now they're talking about Chad Reynolds, failed to re-register, probably warrant out for his arrest per Stacey Horowitz.

forthelost
02-16-2009, 07:12 PM
I'm otherwise not making judgements on the case, but I can answer the thing about Turner's syndrome. It is a condition present at or shortly after conception. It is a chromosomal disorder where a female has only one X chromosome (type XO and not XX). Since it is defined as this, you cannot have a male with the condition. It is associated with poor growth, a defect called space/form blindness, and later in life delay/absence of puberty. Females with this condition are infertile. It does not affect lifespan or general intelligence. It is not associated with any maternal patterns i.e. drug use or alcohol abuse.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:12 PM
CRenyolds is being wanted for NOT re registering...not POI yet

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:12 PM
Or maybe the door was never really locked to begin with.

Did I miss something? Is there a gun missing?

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:13 PM
She doesn't look well at all. :(

She collapsed at a prayer vigil..........someone said that she was dehydrated,,,,

Truthwillsetufree
02-16-2009, 07:13 PM
BioMom on JVM stated she has offered to take polygraph but she couldn't yesterday and then she got the sniffles and appeared to start to cry but no tears.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:13 PM
She hasn't thought about asking LE? OMG... You would think that the one story that changes everytime the sun goes down would be the first thing you ask LE about!

some people are very intimidated by the LE questioning issue and wouldn't question them about anything

just like the women we have discussed that have been taken by fake police officers, they don't question them about their credentials, why they are being pulled over etc... they just go

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:13 PM
She hasn't thought about asking LE? OMG... You would think that the one story that changes everytime the sun goes down would be the first thing you ask LE about!
I think I'd be sitting on LE's doorstep 24/7 asking them so many questions they'd get tired of me! :)

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:14 PM
I don't live or never have lived in a mobile home, anyone know how easy these locks are to pick?
Depends on the door, but on the rental trailers that I've lived in, it sure isn't hard.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:15 PM
Did I miss something? Is there a gun missing?

Misti has recently mentioned that a cousin who "messed with her" when she was younger, came by for a visit a couple of weeks ago, oh and btw he stole one the guns from the house when he left

no clue if any of that is true, whether the gun was reported stolen if it was, etc... it creates more questions than it answers

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:15 PM
My bold- very telling as to where LE is looking for answers.

Biomom must not be suspected as involved.
I don't think she is either. MOO

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm otherwise not making judgements on the case, but I can answer the thing about Turner's syndrome. It is a condition present at or shortly after conception. It is a chromosomal disorder where a female has only one X chromosome (type XO and not XX). Since it is defined as this, you cannot have a male with the condition. It is associated with poor growth, a defect called space/form blindness, and later in life delay/absence of puberty. Females with this condition are infertile. It does not affect lifespan or general intelligence. It is not associated with any maternal patterns i.e. drug use or alcohol abuse.
Thank you! There has been some good information about this syndrome on previous threads. I know I, for one, am getting an education on this disorder which I'd never heard about before.

shadow of my mind
02-16-2009, 07:16 PM
I don't live or never have lived in a mobile home, anyone know how easy these locks are to pick?

Any lock is easy to pick if you know how to do it.. LOL


The regular lock installed on mobile home doors are not always that good but then you average Kwikset brand entry lock on regular houses are not anything to write grandma about. Unless yo have a dead bolt anyone with a little practice can get in with no problem.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Depends on the door, but on the rental trailers that I've lived in, it sure isn't hard.
Usually the cheaper lock-sets installed in them also.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Misti has recently mentioned that a cousin who "messed with her" when she was younger, came by for a visit a couple of weeks ago, oh and btw he stole one the guns from the house when he left

no clue if any of that is true, whether the gun was reported stolen if it was, etc... it creates more questions than it answers

How old is the cousin, when and how did he mess with her? Name? how do they know he stole a gun? what kind?

Shutterfly
02-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Misti has recently mentioned that a cousin who "messed with her" when she was younger, came by for a visit a couple of weeks ago, oh and btw he stole one the guns from the house when he left

no clue if any of that is true, whether the gun was reported stolen if it was, etc... it creates more questions than it answers

Yeah, but wasn't RC's quoted as saying he had ONE gun, a Baretta?

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:17 PM
Good lead on the cousin, I would like to know more anyone?

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Do we know if they have released the home back to Ron?I don't believe they have yet. Which is unusual, too.

They must have a reason to come back tho. Anita~ It one one of my first thoughts...they found something to match back at the house.

catch_22
02-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Unbelievably easy. Dont really even have to pick. Just slide a credit card in and voila!

their back door had a deadbolt lock on it. i'm not sure about the front door, but i would guess that it had a deadbolt too.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:19 PM
How old is the cousin, when and how did he mess with her? Name? how do they know he stole a gun? what kind?
He supposedly molested one of Misty's cousins, is a RSO who lives in Tennessee, and stole Ron's gun on his recent visit to Ron & Misty. No name given and no information if Ron reported the gun stolen. Just reported last night on Geraldo's show that Misty is suspicious this guy could've taken Haleigh. MOO

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:20 PM
Is that little wired cage by porch a chicken coop? Did I just see a chicken?
Do they have a dog?

CeeKer
02-16-2009, 07:20 PM
Every time I see bio mom/g'ma on TV I develop more respect from them. When she was saying she didn't approve of 17 watching her kids, she stopped and searched for the words to say something like "but I was 17 when I had kids soooo...." Like she understood that she had a right not to like it, but also understood she had kids to take care of at 17 too so maybe it wasn't fair to judge. I just find it refreshing after the A Family...

JenBMomto3
02-16-2009, 07:20 PM
Someone scopes out the house for a while, sees what goes on with the family. Dad's hours for work. Misty home with the children.

Possibly her leaving to do otherwise, take smoke breaks or general schedule that would take her attention away from the house.

They decide that night is the night to go ahead with their plan, They open the screen door and prop it open with the cynderblock as to make it easier to get out with child they sneak in when no adult is looking paying attention or at home? They hide out in the house until everyone is asleep. Unlock and open the back door. They turn the light on and get a feel for wether or not it's going to wake someone, maybe Haleigh gets up they grab her, or maybe they sneak in room and take Haleigh out of the bed. If it was really dark in the house they wouild have had to turn on the light to get to her??? They don't turn it off when leaving just head out the door.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:20 PM
He supposedly molested one of Misty's cousins, is a RSO who lives in Tennessee, and stole Ron's gun on his recent visit to Ron & Misty. No name given and no information if Ron reported the gun stolen. Just reported last night on Geraldo's show that Misty is suspicious this guy could've taken Haleigh. MOO

Very good lead. This guy is bad news. Has anyone tracked down the family tree???

We have to be able to come up with a name on this guy.

cleo612
02-16-2009, 07:20 PM
I have not had a chance to catch up on this thread (#24) yet--grandbaby took priority over my time--so I don't know if this has been mentioned.

In one of the videos that I watched the other night, there is a shot of a couple of detectives looking into the driver's side passenger door of a red/maroon van.

I have been trying all day to remember where I saw this video and when, and I just cannot recall. It had to be within the past few days--probably sometime since Friday--as I don't remember watching anything until they held one of the press conferences at 4pm. It possibly was on Thursday, but I am more inclined to think that it was on Friday, that I watched this video.

The detectives were standing next to the van which looked to be parked on the pavement--the driver's side passenger door was slid open and one of the detectives appeared to be leaning into the van.

Maybe this will help someone to track down the van that Misty refers to when discussing the blanket issue.

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
I will add it's my belief we are dealing with a sophistocated pedophile here. Well versed. I think he is an older man late 40's even early 50's. Lived or frequented the area. Perhaps friend of known pedophile's in the area???
There sure are alot of them around there, that's for sure.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
Known pedophile was in and familiar with the home and Haleigh.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
Is that little wired cage by porch a chicken coop? Did I just see a chicken?
Do they have a dog?
I haven't seen a still-shot of the porch to focus on what's in that area; haven't heard anything about them having a dog though.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
How old is the cousin, when and how did he mess with her? Name? how do they know he stole a gun? what kind?

you know everything we know about the cousin at this point.
no confirmation he exists at all
if he does we don't know he was here
and if he was
we don't know he took a gun with him when he left

seems odd it would take a week to mention such a thing if you child was gone and the police asked you if you had any ideas, or who has been around

she said something about they showed her a picture but it wasn't him, like she doesn't know her cousins name, that makes no sense, if he exists she should be able to say he is so-and-so's son, they might know where he is

there is a sex offender in that state with a similar last name, but spelled different, and maybe the photo in question

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
Yeah, but wasn't RC's quoted as saying he had ONE gun, a Baretta?
Wonder if that gun has been turned into the investigators or is the one allegedly stolen by the cousin-with-no-name.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
Misti has recently mentioned that a cousin who "messed with her" when she was younger, came by for a visit a couple of weeks ago, oh and btw he stole one the guns from the house when he left

no clue if any of that is true, whether the gun was reported stolen if it was, etc... it creates more questions than it answers

If someone stole Ron's guns, don't you think he would be irrate and go after the guy?????

elfie
02-16-2009, 07:21 PM
She collapsed at a prayer vigil..........someone said that she was dehydrated,,,,

She doesn't look well at all. :(

There's also a much different tone in her voice and demeanor from last week's interviews. Last week she appeared to be skeptical that Haleigh was truly missing as if it were due to the custody battle. I hope Haleigh is found safe & sound!

shadow of my mind
02-16-2009, 07:22 PM
Well not much more to do from this stand point. I would like more info on the brick/cynder block. It's our only clue at this point along with Haleigh's footprint. If the dog picked up on Misty's scent or not with the child. I'm betting not.

I think this child was taken by car which was parked down by the tracks. The fact that the child has not been recovered in the area tells me she was taken away by car. Small possibility the child is still alive. The perp. really has no need for her at this point unless he was sold into child porn ring, which is also possible.

LE said that the footprint had no relevance to the case a couple day back. [Sorry don't have a link ]it's buried in one of these high speed threads we have going.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:22 PM
I have not had a chance to catch up on this thread (#24) yet--grandbaby took priority over my time--so I don't know if this has been mentioned.

In one of the videos that I watched the other night, there is a shot of a couple of detectives looking into the driver's side passenger door of a red/maroon van.

I have been trying all day to remember where I saw this video and when, and I just cannot recall. It had to be within the past few days--probably sometime since Friday--as I don't remember watching anything until they held one of the press conferences at 4pm. It possibly was on Thursday, but I am more inclined to think that it was on Friday, that I watched this video.

The detectives were standing next to the van which looked to be parked on the pavement--the driver's side passenger door was slid open and one of the detectives appeared to be leaning into the van.

Maybe this will help someone to track down the van that Misty refers to when discussing the blanket issue.

I believe the blanket issue Misty refered to is when she was either talking about her van or the police van. Did anyone confirm whether Misty owned a car?

jaimie43
02-16-2009, 07:22 PM
their back door had a deadbolt lock on it. i'm not sure about the front door, but i would guess that it had a deadbolt too.
I dont know about a deadbolt...picking it that is. I assumed the poster was talking about a regular trailer door. And after a trailer has settled a bit-some doors only have to be jimmied a bit to open ,even when locked.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:23 PM
you know everything we know about the cousin at this point.
no confirmation he exists at all
if he does we don't know he was here
and if he was
we don't know he took a gun with him when he left

seems odd it would take a week to mention such a thing if you child was gone and the police asked you if you had any ideas, or who has been around

she said something about they showed her a picture but it wasn't him, like she doesn't know her cousins name, that makes no sense, if he exists she should be able to say he is so-and-so's son, they might know where he is

there is a sex offender in that state with a similar last name, but spelled different, and maybe the photo in question

COUSIN = Zanni????? no one........

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:23 PM
LE said that the footprint had no relevance to the case a couple day back. [Sorry don't have a link ]it's buried in one of these high speed threads we have going.

Shadow: I never read that, but would like to get confirmation on that if it was true. It was noted in the police report. Footprint from a small child. Shoes were in her home.

christine2448
02-16-2009, 07:23 PM
LE said that the footprint had no relevance to the case a couple day back. [Sorry don't have a link ]it's buried in one of these high speed threads we have going.

It was yesterday, I am sure it's in media links only thread.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:23 PM
Very good lead. This guy is bad news. Has anyone tracked down the family tree???

We have to be able to come up with a name on this guy.
I'm not sure what the name is ~ nothing released by LE, so maybe they've checked him out already and he isn't involved. Just don't know! MOO

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:24 PM
Very good lead. This guy is bad news. Has anyone tracked down the family tree???

We have to be able to come up with a name on this guy.

we searched every known name to be associated with the case, nothing

the story sounds like the nanny story to me, I can't provide you any real information about this person but they have the kid

she said this cousin messed with her at about the same age as the Jeremy Miller abuse, he is still in jail

radio
02-16-2009, 07:24 PM
cousin = zanni????? No one........

*plop*

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:25 PM
I believe the blanket issue Misty refered to is when she was either talking about her van or the police van. Did anyone confirm whether Misty owned a car?
The van could belong to her brother who was over at the m/h around 5pm Monday evening with his kids. I don't know if she even drives a car.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:25 PM
If someone stole Ron's guns, don't you think he would be irrate and go after the guy?????

Yes, and I would think Ron would have mentioned this person the night she disappeared

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:25 PM
There sure are alot of them around there, that's for sure.
Yep, you can't throw a rock without hitting one in this area, it seems.

tehcloser
02-16-2009, 07:26 PM
My take on Crystal after watching JVM, she does not believe Misty any more than I do.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:26 PM
COUSIN = Zanni????? no one........
Good possibility since nobody seems to be able to "sleuth" him! :) MOO

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:26 PM
you know everything we know about the cousin at this point.
no confirmation he exists at all
if he does we don't know he was here
and if he was
we don't know he took a gun with him when he left

seems odd it would take a week to mention such a thing if you child was gone and the police asked you if you had any ideas, or who has been around

she said something about they showed her a picture but it wasn't him, like she doesn't know her cousins name, that makes no sense, if he exists she should be able to say he is so-and-so's son, they might know where he is

there is a sex offender in that state with a similar last name, but spelled different, and maybe the photo in question

Sometimes it takes a while to jog ones memory and that is probably what investigators are doing with Misty. Remember she is young and well...a bit slow. The girl didn't even know what numerical meant. This is a good valid lead, I have no reason to assume this girl would lie. If true we have a pedophile who knows Haleigh and had access or knew the layout of the home.
Could be a second or third cousin? I know I refer to my second and third cousins as such and forget their last names.

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:27 PM
Hmmm...pedophiles exchange photos and information. What if cousin knows Chad Reynolds through that network? LE wouldn't have any indication they could have a link and cousin could have taken photos of Haleigh without anyone's knowledge that he shared with CR.

Duelist Pearl
02-16-2009, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=tehcloser;3320780]My take on Crystal after watching JVM, she does not believe Misty any more than I do.[/QUOTE

thats what i get from her as well

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:27 PM
If someone stole Ron's guns, don't you think he would be irrate and go after the guy?????
And kill him like he told the 911 operator he was going to do with whoever took Haleigh? You bet!!!

mydailyopinions
02-16-2009, 07:27 PM
My take on Crystal after watching JVM, she does not believe Misty any more than I do.

That is the same impression I have. I also think that she has been told to stay on their good side..

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:27 PM
Did I miss something? Is there a gun missing?
I never heard that either. Pretty sure that biodad HAS a gun, but I don't think its missing.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:28 PM
we searched every known name to be associated with the case, nothing

the story sounds like the nanny story to me, I can't provide you any real information about this person but they have the kid

she said this cousin messed with her at about the same age as the Jeremy Miller abuse, he is still in jail

How old is this guy?

tehcloser
02-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Hmmm...pedophiles exchange photos and information. What if cousin knows Chad Reynolds through that network? LE wouldn't have any indication they could have a link and cousin could have taken photos of Haleigh without anyone's knowledge that he shared with CR.

Someone has pics of Haleigh? :waitasec:

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Yep, you can't throw a rock without hitting one in this area, it seems.I have my pile ready to go...how about you? I have a couple of sling shots, too. ;)

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:29 PM
How old is this guy?
Your guess is as good as ours.

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Misti has recently mentioned that a cousin who "messed with her" when she was younger, came by for a visit a couple of weeks ago, oh and btw he stole one the guns from the house when he left

no clue if any of that is true, whether the gun was reported stolen if it was, etc... it creates more questions than it answers
Thanks redhead! I missed that. I never even heard of a cousin visiting, much less a gun missing. Thanks for the update.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:30 PM
It doesn't look like we will find out anything onight.
NG prerecorded
Unless GVS OTR hears a newbreak.
LE said their piece............
another day........tomorrow #8
not good.............IMO

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:30 PM
Someone has pics of Haleigh? :waitasec:No. I am saying it is possible if this male cousin exists and he was staying at the trailer with them tho.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:30 PM
I never heard that either. Pretty sure that biodad HAS a gun, but I don't think its missing.
It was reported on Geraldo's show last night. Misty's RSO cousin supposedly took it during a recent visit. :eek:

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:30 PM
As dumb as everyone here is making Misty out to be, do you really think she was intelligent enough to pull off a crime and hide the body? We don't know if she even had access to a car.

I said early on I thought this perp was connected to Misty somehow or met Misty or Haleigh earlier. I think this cousin is a GREAT lead. He's also a pedophile

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Sometimes it takes a while to jog ones memory and that is probably what investigators are doing with Misty. Remember she is young and well...a bit slow. The girl didn't even know what numerical meant. This is a good valid lead, I have no reason to assume this girl would lie. If true we have a pedophile who knows Haleigh and had access or knew the layout of the home.
Could be a second or third cousin? I know I refer to my second and third cousins as such and forget their last names.

Ron would have known he was there.

The rest of the family should include someone that recalls a RSO with a history of molesting the family was recently by the house.

And I am guessing if your child was missing you could figure out how to come up with the 3rd cousins name.

I don't want to disbelieve her, I just can't say the story makes any sense at all.

CeeKer
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
you know everything we know about the cousin at this point.
no confirmation he exists at all
if he does we don't know he was here
and if he was
we don't know he took a gun with him when he left

seems odd it would take a week to mention such a thing if you child was gone and the police asked you if you had any ideas, or who has been around

she said something about they showed her a picture but it wasn't him, like she doesn't know her cousins name, that makes no sense, if he exists she should be able to say he is so-and-so's son, they might know where he is

there is a sex offender in that state with a similar last name, but spelled different, and maybe the photo in question

I thought she told LE his name and they showed her a picture of a SO with the same name, but the man pictured wasn't her cousin. Not that she didn't know his name.

And I don't think we know exactly when she told LE. She told GR recently, but there was no hint about when she told LE. :)

mydailyopinions
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Sometimes it takes a while to jog ones memory and that is probably what investigators are doing with Misty. Remember she is young and well...a bit slow. The girl didn't even know what numerical meant. This is a good valid lead, I have no reason to assume this girl would lie. If true we have a pedophile who knows Haleigh and had access or knew the layout of the home.
Could be a second or third cousin? I know I refer to my second and third cousins as such and forget their last names.
Looks and an act can be very deceiving. She has experience with children, she took care of her nephews as well. Her memory doesn't need to be jogged, he memory needs to make up its mind exactly which story she is going to tell and stick with it.

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
I have my pile ready to go...how about you? I have a couple of sling shots, too. ;)
It'd be like shooting a barrel of fish. Being a poor sportsgal, I'd probably enjoy it!

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
It doesn't look like we will find out anything onight.
NG prerecorded
Unless GVS OTR hears a newbreak.
LE said their piece............
another day........tomorrow #8
not good.............IMO
I think GVS is in Alaska again ~ but relevant topic: teen mothers! :)

Dev
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Thank you! There has been some good information about this syndrome on previous threads. I know I, for one, am getting an education on this disorder which I'd never heard about before.

Thank you for posting this! I just knew that mention of Turner's in that article wouldn't have gotten past the posters here. I just didn't find the place where it had been discussed. Info on Turner's that I have read seems to emphasize that those with it have cardiovascular problems. To me, that sounds major serious. Turner's sufferers have cognitive problems and some have learning disabilities and developmental delays. If Haleigh has these problems, then it seems to me that she might be subject to accidents which ordinarily might only happen to a younger child.
Seems to me that anyone watching Haleigh through the night would need to have quick access to medical help. Misty was really, really left unequipped to deal with the many things that could go wrong.
IMO, this little girl's condition changes the equation in my mind. Now I think there are far more possibilities about what might have gone wrong.

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:32 PM
Yeah, but wasn't RC's quoted as saying he had ONE gun, a Baretta?
That's what I thought that I had heard, but I'm not quite as up to date as the rest of ya'll.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:32 PM
LP still in town on Haleigh case

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:33 PM
As dumb as everyone here is making Misty out to be, do you really think she was intelligent enough to pull off a crime and hide the body? We don't know if she even had access to a car.

I said early on I thought this perp was connected to Misty somehow or met Misty or Haleigh earlier. I think this cousin is a GREAT lead. He's also a pedophile
I think if Misty did something, she has had help disposing of the body.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:33 PM
I never heard that either. Pretty sure that biodad HAS a gun, but I don't think its missing.

He reported he had one gun, and I believe it is listed in the police report as being accounted for. I think they have it actually.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:33 PM
So Misty has Mom and dad divorced. Anyone track the brothers or sisters of the mom and dad and do they have My Space accounts?

I feel we are very close to something here. If all 44 known pedophiles had really been cleared as LE states, that leaves someone with known ties to the family. No pedophile is going to wander into that mobile home park in a town that small.

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:34 PM
JVM talking about Haleigh case again. NOthing new so far though.

catch_22
02-16-2009, 07:34 PM
you know everything we know about the cousin at this point.
no confirmation he exists at all
if he does we don't know he was here
and if he was
we don't know he took a gun with him when he left

seems odd it would take a week to mention such a thing if you child was gone and the police asked you if you had any ideas, or who has been around

she said something about they showed her a picture but it wasn't him, like she doesn't know her cousins name, that makes no sense, if he exists she should be able to say he is so-and-so's son, they might know where he is

there is a sex offender in that state with a similar last name, but spelled different, and maybe the photo in question


again big IF misty is involved......

she took ron's gun on the night in question so he wouldn't shoot her for allowing someone to kidnap his daughter. she knew he'd be pissed and might snap on her. unlikely, but maybe a precaution she took. then she made up the cousin story to explain ron's missing gun. her family knows she's guilty so they back her up on the cousin story.

but for all i know, she really does have a pedo-cousin that stole ron's gun two weeks ago.

MeoW333
02-16-2009, 07:34 PM
My bold- very telling as to where LE is looking for answers.

Biomom must not be suspected as involved.

So true! Biomom is not one of their top priorities, and Misty has taken 2 polygraphs already! hmm...

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:35 PM
I think if Misty did something, she has had help disposing of the body.

IMO the cynder block/brick is something that Misty could have not come up with on her own in this crazy scenario. Also the father said he didn't recognize the brick. Who brought it if Misty had help and why would they have needed it then?

shadow of my mind
02-16-2009, 07:35 PM
Shadow: I never read that, but would like to get confirmation on that if it was true. It was noted in the police report. Footprint from a small child. Shoes were in her home.

One of the Press Conferences IIRC but I don't remember which day. Something tells me Thursday or Friday but I'm guessing. There was a day when the PC was cancelled and it might have been in the next one following. Not much help, sorry

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:36 PM
Is that little wired cage by porch a chicken coop? Did I just see a chicken?
Do they have a dog?

I hope its not a dog! I hate dogs in cages, especially if they are kept outside in florida. Big pet peeve of mine.

Anita Richman
02-16-2009, 07:36 PM
Looks and an act can be very deceiving. She has experience with children, she took care of her nephews as well. Her memory doesn't need to be jogged, he memory needs to make up its mind exactly which story she is going to tell and stick with it.
:snort!:

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:36 PM
I think if Misty did something, she has had help disposing of the body.With TES and LE not being able to find Haleigh in the area, I would have to agree. Misty to my knowledge did not have a vehicle and this would mean she had to borrow one or had help. If she borrowed a vehicle, I think we would have heard about it by now.

Dev
02-16-2009, 07:36 PM
As dumb as everyone here is making Misty out to be, do you really think she was intelligent enough to pull off a crime and hide the body? We don't know if she even had access to a car.

I said early on I thought this perp was connected to Misty somehow or met Misty or Haleigh earlier. I think this cousin is a GREAT lead. He's also a pedophile

You make a good point! I don't see Misty as diabolical--but I don't necessarily see her as truthful, either. If some person she knew decided to do something illegal (such as harming little Haleigh), I don't think Misty has the power or the gumption or the self-esteem or whatever we could call it, to put her foot down and say NO and save the little girl from someone who wanted to molest or harm her.

Kimster
02-16-2009, 07:37 PM
Okay, I've corresponded with a local who has told me school lets out at 3:15. They said they know that Haleigh attended school that day, but they don't know for sure that she rode the bus. They said normally, she did. She normally got about around 4PM, give or take 15 minutes.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:38 PM
I think if Misty did something, she has had help disposing of the body.
I would think so too. Which brings back the question of why her blanket is in the van. :waitasec:

tehcloser
02-16-2009, 07:38 PM
With TES and LE not being able to find Haleigh in the area, I would have to agree. Misty to my knowledge did not have a vehicle and this would mean she had to borrow one or had help. If she borrowed a vehicle, I think we would have heard about it by now.

I think we have heard of it. Her brother's... the one "they took" with the blanket. Sure the blanket was in there, wraped around Haleigh when her brother took her to dispose of her.

MeoW333
02-16-2009, 07:38 PM
As dumb as everyone here is making Misty out to be, do you really think she was intelligent enough to pull off a crime and hide the body? We don't know if she even had access to a car.

I said early on I thought this perp was connected to Misty somehow or met Misty or Haleigh earlier. I think this cousin is a GREAT lead. He's also a pedophile

Don't be too certain she's pulling anything off lol LE is very smart regarding this case.

catch_22
02-16-2009, 07:39 PM
I believe the blanket issue Misty refered to is when she was either talking about her van or the police van. Did anyone confirm whether Misty owned a car?

haven't heard anything about it. but.....

she has no job and was previously homeless. ron could have more than one vehicle. but....

i heard that you can't get a drivers license in florida (if you drop out of highschool and don't get your GED) until you are 21. misty doesn't have her GED.

impatientredhead
02-16-2009, 07:39 PM
As dumb as everyone here is making Misty out to be, do you really think she was intelligent enough to pull off a crime and hide the body? We don't know if she even had access to a car.

I said early on I thought this perp was connected to Misty somehow or met Misty or Haleigh earlier. I think this cousin is a GREAT lead. He's also a pedophile

I really don't think Misti killed her and hid the body.
I just don't think the things she says make sense.

She may be covering for someone.
Maybe her brother is the perp.
Close by, has a vehicle, hasn't been very visible.
Could have left the house with her, went down to the pond, decided it wasn't deep enough, looked inside that shed, decided she would be found, and then completed the rest of that loop that ends at the train tracks.

She may be trying to throw attention away from her brother.
She may think Ron will actually kill him.

That makes more sense to me than a RSO from another state that we has not been identified, named as a POI, no notification to ask people to look for him. Keep in mind this is suppose to be an armed RSO that is just roaming about.

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:39 PM
With TES and LE not being able to find Haleigh in the area, I would have to agree. Misty to my knowledge did not have a vehicle and this would mean she had to borrow one or had help. If she borrowed a vehicle, I think we would have heard about it by now.
And do we even know if she knows how to drive?

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:40 PM
I've got to go tonight, but if anyone wants to keep digging.... stay on the cousin track. We have something here. Follow the leads not speculation. Misty hasn't been arrested and the dogs would have tracked her scent right along with Haleighs.

Wonder if the cops can get some clothing of this cousins if they can't find him.

All 44 known pedophiles in area said to be cleared.

Remote, small town, not much chance of someone unknown wandering in.

cousin knew home, knew layout, knew child, had been there before and stollen from them

The cousin is the #1 suspect IMO.

Misty is innocent.

Nite folks

I hope someone can dig up info on the parents of Misty, brother's sister... cousin.

passionflower
02-16-2009, 07:40 PM
if your 'cousin' molested you, would you let him in your house?
Wouldn't you be really afraid of him?
does NOT make any sense to me at all.............

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:40 PM
Okay, I've corresponded with a local who has told me school lets out at 3:15. They said they know that Haleigh attended school that day, but they don't know for sure that she rode the bus. They said normally, she did. She normally got about around 4PM, give or take 15 minutes.Oh, now that is interesting!! Thanks, Kimster!!! 3:45pm is the time that Ronnie said he met her at the bus so it sounds right. So it really makes NO sense that LE isn't saying she was at school. WTH? What is the big deal there?

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:40 PM
*plop*

cricket noise......

panthera
02-16-2009, 07:41 PM
I think we have heard of it. Her brother's... the one "they took" with the blanket. Sure the blanket was in there, wraped around Haleigh when her brother took her to dispose of her.
That blanket is one thing that keeps my suspicion on her knowing what really happened to Haleigh. MOO

BeavisMom62
02-16-2009, 07:41 PM
Yes, and I would think Ron would have mentioned this person the night she disappeared

ITA! Even if Misty "forgot" or whatever, I'm sure Ron would have said something.

Nedthan Johns
02-16-2009, 07:42 PM
I really don't think Misti killed her and hid the body.
I just don't think the things she says make sense.

She may be covering for someone.
Maybe her brother is the perp.
Close by, has a vehicle, hasn't been very visible.
Could have left the house with her, went down to the pond, decided it wasn't deep enough, looked inside that shed, decided she would be found, and then completed the rest of that loop that ends at the train tracks.

She may be trying to throw attention away from her brother.
She may think Ron will actually kill him.

That makes more sense to me than a RSO from another state that we has not been identified, named as a POI, no notification to ask people to look for him. Keep in mind this is suppose to be an armed RSO that is just roaming about.

I agree with the locations but I think the perp was looking for somewhere to rape the child not dispose of her body. Then he took her from the location all together.

SeriouslySearching
02-16-2009, 07:42 PM
And do we even know if she knows how to drive?Hmmm...good point. No, we don't.

MeoW333
02-16-2009, 07:42 PM
And do we even know if she knows how to drive?

I would think she would, being in a rural area, most kids drive a young age without a license or not.