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darlin gal
02-17-2009, 08:23 PM
SATSUMA, FL -- The floor creeks, the back door sticks and makes a scraping noise, and you can feel other people walking in the house.

That's how Dr. Jessie Smallwood describes the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared.

Smallwood lived in it nearly a decade ago.

When we called him this morning -- 1 week since Haleigh was reported missing -- Smallwood says it "shocked" him and "chilled" him to know his old home is now at the center of a massive search that's made national headlines.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131566&catid=295







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Smallwood remembered the house and said its floors were noisy. He said if someone was walking inside, he could hear them even if they were on the other side of the house.

"Someone could not carry the child out of that house unless someone was in a drunken stupor, and not hear that child being taken from that house," Smallwood said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131562&catid=295

tabbykiki
02-17-2009, 08:27 PM
This confirms my suspicion that the GF was either in a stupor (drugs / alcohol) or absent.

Kimster
02-17-2009, 08:41 PM
From the beginning, many of us have believed she left the house. I still think that scenerio is the most logical.

babycat
02-17-2009, 08:51 PM
What I don't understand about the home is this...

I read in a comment from the landlord that Ronald had lived in a different trailer, next to him, before he moved into this one. The landlord then indicated that Ronald expressed interest in getting another trailer, so each of the kids could have their own rooms, so the landlord rented THIS trailer (the current one, from which Haleigh disappeared) to the family.

Well, here's my question: If Ronald and family specifically moved into this trailer so each of the kids could have their own room, then WHY is everyone sleeping in one room? I heard tonight on NG that a toddler bed was in Master bedroom, too. She also indicated that one of the rooms was used as a playroom. Wouldn't that leave one extra room? I wonder what was in it, that they could each have their own rooms, if this is why they specifically moved?

Thoughts?

sweetmop
02-17-2009, 08:52 PM
This confirms my suspicion that the GF was either in a stupor (drugs / alcohol) or absent.
Yes, it confirms my suspicions also. What is Misty hiding?

darlin gal
02-17-2009, 08:59 PM
What I don't understand about the home is this...

I read in a comment from the landlord that Ronald had lived in a different trailer, next to him, before he moved into this one. The landlord then indicated that Ronald expressed interest in getting another trailer, so each of the kids could have their own rooms, so the landlord rented THIS trailer (the current one, from which Haleigh disappeared) to the family.

Well, here's my question: If Ronald and family specifically moved into this trailer so each of the kids could have their own room, then WHY is everyone sleeping in one room? I heard tonight on NG that a toddler bed was in Master bedroom, too. She also indicated that one of the rooms was used as a playroom. Wouldn't that leave one extra room? I wonder what was in it, that they could each have their own rooms, if this is why they specifically moved?

Thoughts?

The kids do have their own rooms. I am betting they were having a a hard time adjusting to sleeping alone. Especially if the trailer was as dark as what Dr. Smallwood said it was.

They said the kids were afraid of the dark. Perhaps they were scared to sleep in their own room or they slept in the room with Misty on the nights daddy was working.

panthera
02-17-2009, 09:03 PM
This confirms my suspicion that the GF was either in a stupor (drugs / alcohol) or absent.
I absolutely agree. I'm so glad Rev. Smallwood has come forward with this valuable information about the house. :clap:

txsvicki
02-17-2009, 09:04 PM
Smallwood described the master bedroom where he things they were sleeping. He says there was a garden tub in the corner. What the heck is a garden tub? Is there no connected master bath for the room?

amandab
02-17-2009, 09:08 PM
Smallwood described the master bedroom where he things they were sleeping. He says there was a garden tub in the corner. What the heck is a garden tub? Is there no connected master bath for the room?

I used to live in a double-wide that had what they called a "garden" tub. It was my favorite part of the house - not any longer than a standard tub, but deeper and more oval in shape - SUPER comfy. :)

Edit: At least at my old place, this was in a bathroom that was attached to the master bedroom, it should be noted.

babycat
02-17-2009, 09:10 PM
The kids do have their own rooms. I am betting they were having a a hard time adjusting to sleeping alone. Especially if the trailer was as dark as what Dr. Smallwood said it was.

They said the kids were afraid of the dark. Perhaps they were scared to sleep in their own room or they slept in the room with Misty on the nights daddy was working.

Okay, thank you. I haven't seen this stated anywhere. I just heard the Grandma say tonight that the toddler bed was in the master bedroom. Do you know, off the top of your head, when exactly they moved to this particular trailer? I thought I read 4 weeks ago, but I can't seem to find it anywhere...or the landlord's name....

thanks

kellync
02-17-2009, 09:10 PM
What I don't understand about the home is this...

I read in a comment from the landlord that Ronald had lived in a different trailer, next to him, before he moved into this one. The landlord then indicated that Ronald expressed interest in getting another trailer, so each of the kids could have their own rooms, so the landlord rented THIS trailer (the current one, from which Haleigh disappeared) to the family.

Well, here's my question: If Ronald and family specifically moved into this trailer so each of the kids could have their own room, then WHY is everyone sleeping in one room? I heard tonight on NG that a toddler bed was in Master bedroom, too. She also indicated that one of the rooms was used as a playroom. Wouldn't that leave one extra room? I wonder what was in it, that they could each have their own rooms, if this is why they specifically moved?

Thoughts?
Id bet everyone is sleeping in one room b/c there is a TV in there. I'd say one in living room, one in bedroom. who knows. Maybe Haleigh and Ron are scared to sleep alone, especially when daddys not home..

txsvicki
02-17-2009, 09:10 PM
So, if a garden tub is in the corner there must also be a sink and toilet. A bathroom. Surely not just a tub out in the open in the corner of the bedroom.

panthera
02-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Smallwood described the master bedroom where he things they were sleeping. He says there was a garden tub in the corner. What the heck is a garden tub? Is there no connected master bath for the room?
I didn't quite understand that either unless he was talking about the master bathroom! :waitasec:

kellync
02-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Definately a master bath, Id bet money. The mobile home would have a master bath if they would go to the expense of having a garden tub. It may mean there is a shower also. My master has garden tub, shower, and double sinks....But I am in a home, not trailer...I dont see a bathtub in the corner of a bedroom..

Jolynna
02-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Even 20-year-old 2-bedroom mobile homes have master baths.

shadow of my mind
02-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Updated list of the Bards rental:

102 Hoover Lane
William Brown & Holly Hancock

104 Hoover Lane
can't find any current name

200 Monroe Ave
Kevin L Prestrude
Could be where Ron C rented from Aug 2008-Nov 2008

201 Monroe Av e
Donald Bard appears to be the Bard residence even if they do not stay there full time or this was previous rented out and they are now living there full time.

212 Monroe Av
Kyle Johns RSO & Ricky R. Fodor [do we know when Johns got out of jail?]

103 Buchanan Cir
can't find any current name
We think that Ron C. live here from Aug 2008 –Nov 2008

202 Green Lane
Rev Jesse Smallwood 2001-2002 approximate
Waldon Parson aka Jeffery Lane RSO previous tenant moved out Nov 2008
Ron C moved in Nov 2008

The Bards, Donald and Phyllis have an address listed in Needmore Pa and 201 Monroe Ave.

EDIT New Information:

"Satsuma Apartments For Rent, Satsuma Houses For Rent, Satsuma ...Rent: $650.00 (Monthly). Deposit: $650.00. Date Available: 15-Oct-2008. Address: 202 Green Lane Satsuma Florida 32189. Lease Terms: 1 Year ..."

Jolynna
02-17-2009, 09:26 PM
If someone had gone through the woods around the house wouldn't they have broken down branches and left a trail going through all that dense underbrush?

Leila
02-17-2009, 09:28 PM
This confirms my suspicion that the GF was either in a stupor (drugs / alcohol) or absent.

This confirms my suspicious too.........she either wasn't there, or incapacitated on drugs.

shadow of my mind
02-17-2009, 09:30 PM
Rev Smallwood also said"

He had an extra lock installed on the back door.
You can park down under the trees and no one would see you.

Leila
02-17-2009, 09:32 PM
Reverand Smallwood also described the master bedroom as being small. I thought I heard him say 10ft by 10ft. He said he had a queen-sized bed and it was difficult walking around it.

SailorMoon
02-17-2009, 09:45 PM
I don't get the description of this home, as it looks bigger than mine. I have a master bath that is "in" my bedroom per se, 2 doors (side by side) separate it. I have a queen bed in mine, and have no trouble walking around it. On the back side of my bedroom is the laundry room, which has the infamous side door. These walls are like paper and you can hear people walking. However, DD can get in late from school stuff..if I'm sleeping I don't hear her.

panthera
02-17-2009, 09:46 PM
Reverand Smallwood also described the master bedroom as being small. I thought I heard him say 10ft by 10ft. He said he had a queen-sized bed and it was difficult walking around it.
Yes that's what I heard him say too. So Misty's saying there was also another bed in the room that Haleigh was on? The only way I can see enough room is if there was no other furniture in the bedroom. MOO

SailorMoon
02-17-2009, 09:58 PM
Okay, fwiw, my room could be 10x 10, I just walked it off with my feet. I have a queen bed, several dressers around each side on the wall, and I could probably fit a toddler bed at one end, and that would be tight. Who knows...

Did he say how many bedrooms it had? Because it looks larger (longer than mine) and mine is 3 bedroom/2 bath.

You can definitely hear people walking - my bedroom is right off the living room and I run 2 fans to try to deafen sounds of teens - because i"m old and go to sleep much earlier than they do!!

Gracenote
02-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Id bet everyone is sleeping in one room b/c there is a TV in there. I'd say one in living room, one in bedroom. who knows. Maybe Haleigh and Ron are scared to sleep alone, especially when daddys not home..

Putting both kids in one room with the tv then closing the bedroom door and locking or jamming it shut. The perfect babysitter. Unless a predator is in the area.

darlin gal
02-17-2009, 10:09 PM
Okay, fwiw, my room could be 10x 10, I just walked it off with my feet. I have a queen bed, several dressers around each side on the wall, and I could probably fit a toddler bed at one end, and that would be tight. Who knows...

Did he say how many bedrooms it had? Because it looks larger (longer than mine) and mine is 3 bedroom/2 bath.

You can definitely hear people walking - my bedroom is right off the living room and I run 2 fans to try to deafen sounds of teens - because i"m old and go to sleep much earlier than they do!!

They said both beds were just mattresses. No box springs.

Most toddler beds use a crib mattress. I can see a queen or a double bed fitting in the room and a crib size mattress.

panthera
02-17-2009, 10:17 PM
One thing the former tenant didn't seem to mention is the handicap ramp by the back door, so I wonder if that's a recent add-on ~ and maybe the floors were redone at that time? I still think they'd make some noise though since the mobile home isn't on a concrete slab. MOO

DotsEyes
02-17-2009, 10:48 PM
Gee I thought that the landlord's parents had only passsed away recently after which their home was rented out. Not a decade ago.

At 17 I could sleep through anything. Come on, you have all had teenagers - tell me that they don't sleep like hibernating bears.

Cher352
02-17-2009, 11:09 PM
Gee I thought that the landlord's parents had only passsed away recently after which their home was rented out. Not a decade ago.

At 17 I could sleep through anything. Come on, you have all had teenagers - tell me that they don't sleep like hibernating bears.

I looked at the Putnam County Tax Appraiser's web site. It looks like she may have died in 2001 but estate wasn't finalized until 2003.

Other info from there:

1995 model mobile home
1248 sq ft (at 24 wide this would make it 52' in length)
144 sq ft porch

Also noted from the site:
In Putnam County approximately one-half of the residential dwellings are mobile homes (also known as manufactured housing).

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/papage.asp?id=8131

Cher352
02-17-2009, 11:14 PM
Reverand Smallwood also described the master bedroom as being small. I thought I heard him say 10ft by 10ft. He said he had a queen-sized bed and it was difficult walking around it.

That sounds rather small for a master bedroom, especially considering the MH was 24' wide. I would have thought the room would be 12' X something.

Gypsy Road
02-17-2009, 11:20 PM
Gee I thought that the landlord's parents had only passsed away recently after which their home was rented out. Not a decade ago.

At 17 I could sleep through anything. Come on, you have all had teenagers - tell me that they don't sleep like hibernating bears.


Yep...I'm way beyond teenage years and have actually slept through a major hurricane.

graphicsgal
02-18-2009, 12:09 AM
What I don't understand about the home is this...

I read in a comment from the landlord that Ronald had lived in a different trailer, next to him, before he moved into this one. The landlord then indicated that Ronald expressed interest in getting another trailer, so each of the kids could have their own rooms, so the landlord rented THIS trailer (the current one, from which Haleigh disappeared) to the family.

Well, here's my question: If Ronald and family specifically moved into this trailer so each of the kids could have their own room, then WHY is everyone sleeping in one room? I heard tonight on NG that a toddler bed was in Master bedroom, too. She also indicated that one of the rooms was used as a playroom. Wouldn't that leave one extra room? I wonder what was in it, that they could each have their own rooms, if this is why they specifically moved?

Thoughts?

My kids still like to sleep out in the living room (with their father...which is a whole different story) or with me than to sleep in their own room. They just feel safer. And because my kids have suffered some trauma of their own (husband was on meth and left us many times...he is now clean and graduating from drug court) I don't question it. I realize that sometime in their lives, it might be a good idea for them to sleep in their own beds. But for now, I just want them to feel as secure as they can in their family life.

I am sure Haleigh and Junior have seen some turmoil and sadness in their short little lives as well. Perhaps they didn't feel safe enough to be in their own rooms yet.

And since I hardly post, I hope this isn't filled with TMI.

yosande
02-18-2009, 04:35 AM
What I don't understand about the home is this...

I read in a comment from the landlord that Ronald had lived in a different trailer, next to him, before he moved into this one. The landlord then indicated that Ronald expressed interest in getting another trailer, so each of the kids could have their own rooms, so the landlord rented THIS trailer (the current one, from which Haleigh disappeared) to the family.

Well, here's my question: If Ronald and family specifically moved into this trailer so each of the kids could have their own room, then WHY is everyone sleeping in one room? I heard tonight on NG that a toddler bed was in Master bedroom, too. She also indicated that one of the rooms was used as a playroom. Wouldn't that leave one extra room? I wonder what was in it, that they could each have their own rooms, if this is why they specifically moved?

Thoughts?

The other house was in worse shape, and this was an upgrade, inside and/or outside and he just used the extra room as an excuse?
And, he didn't like living right next door to the landlord. I live right next door to the park manager, and own vs rent in a manufactured home park which is a lovely park btw. But it's just me and my disabled son, so we don't make noise, and feel more secure with them next door, but if I were young, and with kids, and a spouse, I probably wouldn't want to be so close to the park manager. jmo

yosande
02-18-2009, 05:36 AM
http://www.mh-quote.com/houses/Redman/Riverview/N520/Red_Riv_N520_flr.gif
This may be a bit of what it looks like in their home. The garden tub is in the left lower corner. Usually when there is a garden tub, there is also a seperate shower, which in this master bathroom is in the opposite corner .

SailorMoon
02-18-2009, 06:45 AM
My kids still like to sleep out in the living room (with their father...which is a whole different story) or with me than to sleep in their own room. They just feel safer. And because my kids have suffered some trauma of their own (husband was on meth and left us many times...he is now clean and graduating from drug court) I don't question it. I realize that sometime in their lives, it might be a good idea for them to sleep in their own beds. But for now, I just want them to feel as secure as they can in their family life.

I am sure Haleigh and Junior have seen some turmoil and sadness in their short little lives as well. Perhaps they didn't feel safe enough to be in their own rooms yet.

And since I hardly post, I hope this isn't filled with TMI.

Not at all too much TMI. I'm more guilty of that than most people on here! My lil one sleeps with me also....but mainly because I can get him to bed and we watch tv in my room. And his teen brother doesn't want him in "their room"!!

o/t - good luck with your hubby....my sim. situation didn't work out so well but we are fine.

SailorMoon
02-18-2009, 06:46 AM
http://www.mh-quote.com/houses/Redman/Riverview/N520/Red_Riv_N520_flr.gif
This may be a bit of what it looks like in their home. The garden tub is in the left lower corner. Usually when there is a garden tub, there is also a seperate shower, which in this master bathroom is in the opposite corner .

bingo. except I don't have the morning room. good find.

DotsEyes
02-18-2009, 07:52 PM
Somebody check up on the "Rev." The parents died in 2001 and estate wasn't settled until 2003. He didn't live there a decade ago.

I am always suspect of anyone who calls themselves "Dr." who isn't an MD.

smart blonde
02-19-2009, 02:23 AM
Id bet everyone is sleeping in one room b/c there is a TV in there. I'd say one in living room, one in bedroom. who knows. Maybe Haleigh and Ron are scared to sleep alone, especially when daddys not home..
I agree... I also suspect Misty may have preferred to have the children sleep with her in the same room while Ron was working for the same reason. That trailer/ mobile home does seem rather secluded, probably even more so in the dark of night. Misty may have wanted the kids in the same room with her at night as a type of security blanket for herself, also. Somehow would make her feel less alone, less vulnerable. Sadly ironic, in light of things.

Anais
02-19-2009, 08:55 AM
This confirms my suspicion that the GF was either in a stupor (drugs / alcohol) or absent.

I have to disagree as I am a mother of three boys and have been known to sleep through an atomic bomb.I just don't think we can make that kind of assumption until we have the facts, IMO of course. Although I do think Misty is leaving something out I am waiting for LE to tell me more before I will draw such a significant conclusion.

feddup
02-19-2009, 09:33 AM
Isnt Misty afraid of the dark? I am and I am old enough to be her Mother.
I cant see her leaving that place unless someone came and picked her up in a car.
But that wouldnt be very responsible, leaving the children.
I babysat when I was 16 and NEVER thought to leave the house. I was a very responsible type though.
This time of yr in FL it gets dark around 6:30-7. I wonder if someone came around 9 and picked her up. IMO the kids wouldve been fast asleep at 9 or earlier. When my son was 5, he was in bed at 8PM.
Something is just really wrong with the entire story:(
As far as the kids being afraid of the dark, my sons room was never totally dark. We had a night light in his room at age 5.
As long as Misti had all the doors locked, I dont know why she would be
afraid and want to sleep with the kids.
I hope Hayleigh is found but this is looking bad.

feddup
02-19-2009, 09:37 AM
I agree... I also suspect Misty may have preferred to have the children sleep with her in the same room while Ron was working for the same reason. That trailer/ mobile home does seem rather secluded, probably even more so in the dark of night. Misty may have wanted the kids in the same room with her at night as a type of security blanket for herself, also. Somehow would make her feel less alone, less vulnerable. Sadly ironic, in light of things.

But if she WAS in the bedroom with Hayleigh, how could someone come in and kidnap her! I think I would hear something.

SailorMoon
02-19-2009, 12:44 PM
Somebody check up on the "Rev." The parents died in 2001 and estate wasn't settled until 2003. He didn't live there a decade ago.

I am always suspect of anyone who calls themselves "Dr." who isn't an MD.

That was my thought as well. Someone looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

NRN
02-19-2009, 12:56 PM
Are we sure they were still occupying the trailer at date of death - could have been w/ a relative or nursing home by 2001 -

There was something about: if Ron's living situation w/ the kids was being scrutinized (because of the custody battle or other reason?) that having a home w/ enough bedrooms for the 2 kids would have made a better appearance.

tx_Dot
02-19-2009, 01:19 PM
That trailer/ mobile home does seem rather secluded ???

Isn't there a trailer right next door ??

I saw a clip (prolly on NG) where a camerman is behind the trailer filming the 'side door & the ramp'........clearly in the backround you can see a long stretch of white lattice work.

Looks like a trailer next door might have used this lattice to enclose a side porch/or a carport....

Have we heard anything from next-door neighbors ??

Tom'sGirl
03-18-2009, 05:37 PM
That trailer/ mobile home does seem rather secluded ???

Isn't there a trailer right next door ??

I saw a clip (prolly on NG) where a camerman is behind the trailer filming the 'side door & the ramp'........clearly in the backround you can see a long stretch of white lattice work.

Looks like a trailer next door might have used this lattice to enclose a side porch/or a carport....

Have we heard anything from next-door neighbors ??
Photo from our Photo thread
http://i41.tinypic.com/21njyug.jpg

keaska
03-18-2009, 05:45 PM
What I don't understand about the home is this...

I read in a comment from the landlord that Ronald had lived in a different trailer, next to him, before he moved into this one. The landlord then indicated that Ronald expressed interest in getting another trailer, so each of the kids could have their own rooms, so the landlord rented THIS trailer (the current one, from which Haleigh disappeared) to the family.

Well, here's my question: If Ronald and family specifically moved into this trailer so each of the kids could have their own room, then WHY is everyone sleeping in one room? I heard tonight on NG that a toddler bed was in Master bedroom, too. She also indicated that one of the rooms was used as a playroom. Wouldn't that leave one extra room? I wonder what was in it, that they could each have their own rooms, if this is why they specifically moved?

Thoughts?

I remember hearing that Child Protective Services had visited the old residence and told him he needed a bedroom for each child.
I'll look for that info and edit the thread with where I got it from.

If that's the case, the other room was obviously just for looks because hayleigh wanted to sleep in their room.

I can understand this..I'm just now getting my almost 5 year old out of my room into his own and that's because I bought bunkbeds AND let his almost 8 year old sister sleep on the bottom bunk. oy. lol

EgyptNug
03-18-2009, 06:34 PM
I remember hearing that Child Protective Services had visited the old residence and told him he needed a bedroom for each child.
I'll look for that info and edit the thread with where I got it from.

If that's the case, the other room was obviously just for looks because hayleigh wanted to sleep in their room.


I've heard that said but I haven't heard where it came from. If it is true, maybe someone here can answer this: is that unusual for CPS/DCF to require each child to have their own room? That seems excessive to me, I know many families that wouldn't pass that requirement..

tx_Dot
03-19-2009, 08:51 AM
Somebody check up on the "Rev." The parents died in 2001 and estate wasn't settled until 2003. He didn't live there a decade ago.

I am always suspect of anyone who calls themselves "Dr." who isn't an MD.

Hi Dot !!

Here's a link to the "Rev,'s" interview.......he lived there "a decade ago" & it had "squeaky floors"......I don't think it was his parents that died there ??
Maybe the current owners (parents) as they have several rental properties...

(me thinks this Rev. was looking for his 15 mins.)



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...131566&catid=3

Ms Suzanne
03-19-2009, 11:49 AM
I've heard that said but I haven't heard where it came from. If it is true, maybe someone here can answer this: is that unusual for CPS/DCF to require each child to have their own room? That seems excessive to me, I know many families that wouldn't pass that requirement..

It's probably because the children were different sex.I believe they are required to have seperate bedrooms.

LCoastMom
03-21-2009, 01:14 AM
I've heard that said but I haven't heard where it came from. If it is true, maybe someone here can answer this: is that unusual for CPS/DCF to require each child to have their own room? That seems excessive to me, I know many families that wouldn't pass that requirement..

It maybe different state to state. In Calif it used to start at 12 yrs.

Kimster
12-17-2009, 01:37 AM
Bumpity bump

Whisperer
12-17-2009, 04:10 AM
Maybe rc just wanted more privacy in the back there..
Afterall he was starting a new life with misty, maybe she wanted the bigger place. I don't think DCF would insist on separate bedrooms at that young of an age. What would prompt them at that time to do this? Another coincidence that misty was moving and rc HAD to have a bigger house...I don't think so. Maybe with his new job and new girl, he wanted a complete new start.

yosande
12-17-2009, 04:41 AM
I agree... I also suspect Misty may have preferred to have the children sleep with her in the same room while Ron was working for the same reason. That trailer/ mobile home does seem rather secluded, probably even more so in the dark of night. Misty may have wanted the kids in the same room with her at night as a type of security blanket for herself, also. Somehow would make her feel less alone, less vulnerable. Sadly ironic, in light of things.

Imo, regardless of the reason given to the public for moving around the corner, RC preferred the more secluded area for the sake of privacy from Misty's family. If there are other reasons that would make any sense to me, I haven't heard them yet.

I don't blame him for wanting to distance himself and co. from her family, but it's interesting to me that he would use DCF as an excuse to move when most people would have understood his wanting the privacy regardless of her age.

It also helped seperate his kids from Tommy's. RC prefers privacy, and control on what goes on in his castle. :) moo

tehcloser
12-17-2009, 07:44 AM
They were really no farther away from her family when they moved into the bigger trailer.

Emeralgem
12-17-2009, 08:33 AM
For what it's worth.. Matt Saffer reports in this video that Haleigh and Jr. shared the same bedroom.. Someone also posted that one of the bedrooms was used as a playroom...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emu1HNK8hPU

Kimster
12-17-2009, 11:24 AM
I remember this coming up all those months ago and it seemed very odd to me. Unless DCF has changed a lot through the years, bedroom space is not a HUGE issue for them. They feel children are best suited with their parents. IIRC, they are more concerned that the children are provided with their own bed and personal area, i.e. dresser.

We have some members who work for or know people who work for child services in other states. If I run across one of their posts, I'll ask them to weigh in.

This just seems hinky to me as far as excuses go. Will it be a clue to Haleigh's disappearance? I doubt it. But at this point, I'm game to try.

lil momma
12-17-2009, 01:43 PM
I can tell you that when i live in an apartment complex, i was advised that once my son turned one year old that i have to move to a two bedroom, that there couldn't be two adults and one child sharing one bedroom. That it is a fire hazard. Although, i always thought it would be easier to all get out, if we were all in the same place... but that is just me. :)

throwing it out there....

LFlorida
12-19-2009, 01:37 PM
I can tell you that when i live in an apartment complex, i was advised that once my son turned one year old that i have to move to a two bedroom, that there couldn't be two adults and one child sharing one bedroom. That it is a fire hazard. Although, i always thought it would be easier to all get out, if we were all in the same place... but that is just me. :)

throwing it out there....

A fire hazard?! Our bureaucrats have way too much time on their hands, sounds like. [goo-ood grief!]

LFlorida
12-19-2009, 01:43 PM
One thing the former tenant didn't seem to mention is the handicap ramp by the back door, so I wonder if that's a recent add-on ~ and maybe the floors were redone at that time? I still think they'd make some noise though since the mobile home isn't on a concrete slab. MOO

I looked at the Putnam County Tax Appraiser's web site. It looks like she may have died in 2001 but estate wasn't finalized until 2003.

Other info from there:

1995 model mobile home
1248 sq ft (at 24 wide this would make it 52' in length)
144 sq ft porch

Also noted from the site:
In Putnam County approximately one-half of the residential dwellings are mobile homes (also known as manufactured housing).

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/papage.asp?id=8131

Estate settled in 2003 - hmmmm - I wonder if it had to be refinanced. If so, it would require a home inspection and repair of any water damage [which most m/h do have.]

(Sorry, just thinking out loud here. Irrelevant, I'm sure.)

Whisperer
12-19-2009, 01:46 PM
From my experience, often time drug dealers like to be secluded also. Misty may have brought more attention and people to MH than rc had w/o her.