LE and this case

[not_my_kids]

This was starting to threaten to take over a thread. My fault I admit it, but if I give it it's own thread maybe the mods won't strangle me. :blowkiss:

How does everyone feel about the tight lipped nature of LE in regards to Haleigh? Is it just a new sheriff that wants to make sure he has all his ducks in a row? Are they already zeroed in on a suspect and just trying to be quiet about it?

Most everyone here seems to have followed Caylee's case and we know about the massive amounts of info released in that case. Haleigh's case seems to be just the opposite.

Personally, I think that it's a good thing that they are being so quiet. The response in Caylee's case was overwhelming for everyone including LE, thus 1500 psychic tips, some involving urine and Ferris wheels. I was never in favor of how much information was released with the last case of this nature, especially when you consider that even with the Sunshine Law in FL, they could have gotten an injunction against releasing everything.

Others thoughts?

[ksgirl78]

I'm not sure how I feel about the LE in this case. I have times where I almost want to scream when they say "no comment" or "we are not going to discuss this/that". But then I have times where I think to myself, they certainly have to know more than I do and know what they are doing!

I do think they could tell us just a tad bit more though...;)

[Mysticj]

It has nothing to do with tight lips. Casey was arrested so the sunshine law takes affect. If she was let go and not charged then there would be no info in caylee's case eithor.

[tehcloser]

The only reason that makes sense, to me anyway, is that they know it's not an "abduction", they know who is responsible and they are waiting for them to hang themselves. The info that they put out is way to "generic". Then they throw out a couple of specific things, which appears to try and up the pressure. moo.

ETA...And we have the statement of the Sheriff that he's is keeping it listed as an abduction because "we get more bang for the buck"....that struck me as strange.

[MeoW333]

I think the LE are on the ball with this case, it's not just local, it's FDLE as well and they've handled kidnapping cases before. They also have the FBI involved. I'm sure they have good reason for not releasing much info, especially if any of the family has an idea who it is, they may not want them to run.

[ksgirl78]

I can understand being tight-lipped about things during an investigation on certain things but I just think that by giving out a little bit of solid information helps everybody try to figure out what really happened. Maybe LE knows what we know...nothing! Now that's a scary thought!

[SeriouslySearching]

LE said they have gotten over 1200 tips on this case already. I don't think them being tightlipped is going to stop the unverifiable tips. This is a given.

I do think they have not released enough information to the public and this could cost them in the search for Haleigh...especially if they believe she could be alive (which I don't think is the case).

OCSO has done a fantastic job in the other case and I cannot find fault with them at all.

[liljim]

i have seen a bunch of comments that i think are consistent with that maybe the police have reason to believe that this is an abduction by a relative or person known by the family, and that haleigh is likely still alive so they dont want to say anything to put her in any more jeopardy.

just a hunch but several times i have read their comments and that is exactly what comes to mind "they are trying not to rile someone up".

i thought the father sounded on the 911 call like he had some idea who he should be looking for, there was something odd about how he sounded, he didnt sound guilty to me, but he didnt sound quite right either.

i dont know, i just hope the kid is ok.

[cheko1]

LE is being very smart in this. They're in small town USA, where everyone knows each other / or everyone is related. Mostly everyone knows the key players & are friends or enemies to the families involved.

Put in context LE probably couldn't even get any info while they were in Satsuma from witnesses. Most feared retaliation, so LE moved command center to Palatka.In hopes of more info. Probably most friends & neighbors would have to fear retaliation for talking. This does hapen in the USA.Its not what you know its who you know.The good old boy system.

We have not heard from anyone who said a bad word, a leak here & there is it. I suspect the leaks come from LE, not anyone who knows them personally.

[not_my_kids]

The only reason that makes sense, to me anyway, is that they know it's not an "abduction", they know who is responsible and they are waiting for them to hang themselves. The info that they put out is way to "generic". Then they throw out a couple of specific things, which appears to try and up the pressure. moo.

ETA...And we have the statement of the Sheriff that he's is keeping it listed as an abduction because "we get more bang for the buck"....that struck me as strange.


I have to agree there, the reasoning behind the classification of the case gets me too. I don't think I've ever heard it put quite that way before.

[Reannan]

I am bringing this over from another thread I just posted it on....the one about the abandoned car.

I also found this interesting:

"Deputies swarm her neighborhood and take note of the railroad tracks. Dispatch informs them a train just passed through."
http://tinyurl.com/brxwdp (http://tinyurl.com/brxwdp)


Where was that train going? If someone took Haleigh, they could have abandoned the car and hopped on that train! This case is SO frustrating. I agree that LE should keep some details close to the vest, but at the same time with so little information, people may not be seeing things that are significant and realizing that they should call LE. For instance, the two men I saw walking along the side of the road in Augusta, Georgia on this past Tuesday. One of them looked a lot like Chad Reynolds, and he was holding the hand of a little girl that was Haleigh's age, the other guy was a bit older, and looked like Robert Plant from Led Zepplin when he had shoulder length hair - and he was wearing a backpack, and holding the hand of a smaller child that was a little boy. It just looked out of place and odd, the way they were walking seemed "tense" and hurried. I called the tip line yesterday and was told that the computer was down right then. They acted like they didn't want to take the information. It was probably nothing......but who is to say that CR and another SO are travelling up the East Coast? Remember Elizabeth Smart???

[not_my_kids]

Soon to be hubby did point a very good point to me, while reading over my shoulder.
To quote him. "Holding some stuff back is good, but what about the important things? No reports even mentioned the birthmark on her cheek. They could hold back investigative details, but isn't a full, accurate description of her a little different?"

He can't get an account, same IP address, so sometimes I have to post his thoughts too. I thought that was a good one.

[PGWodehouse]

The only thing that makes sense to me in reference to LE's handling of the media/public is that they know absolutely that there was no stranger abduction. I think as time goes on they are zeroing in more and more on the family, and their immediate acquaintences, and that's precisely where the attention will stay.

Sadly, I suspect that Haleigh is no longer with us. :(

[kellync]

Oh why oh why oh why do they still have possession of the trailer?
I would think, they would want an innocent, grieving family to be able to at least sleep in their own bed at night while their daughter is missing. It has been a good while now.....They are in a tent outside. I guess Id have to sleep with Robert Shapiro to be able to afford him, but I would do my best to be in my home, close to my missing daughters things, and my own things. Like my bed and shower. And privacy!!

[passionflower]

LE said the can't tell allot of info because it is vitale to the investigation right now.
To me I wonder if they are looking very close to a family member. IMO

[KaylynnCouture]

LE said the can't tell allot of info because it is vitale to the investigation right now.
To me I wonder if they are looking very close to a family member. IMO

ITA! and, in my opinion, that's the reason they aren't being allowed back in the trailer.

[SeriouslySearching]

Soon to be hubby did point a very good point to me, while reading over my shoulder.
To quote him. "Holding some stuff back is good, but what about the important things? No reports even mentioned the birthmark on her cheek. They could hold back investigative details, but isn't a full, accurate description of her a little different?"

He can't get an account, same IP address, so sometimes I have to post his thoughts too. I thought that was a good one.I predict you are going to marry a very smart man. ;)

I could not agree more. There are few details coming out which would not hinder this case, but put more emphasis on her exact description etc. In so many cases, there is a lack of detail concerning the missing person. (This is why I would like to see a standard across the nation for LE to follow for this type of information.)

[SeriouslySearching]

Tip Takes Search for Haleigh to Tennessee
Created: 2/18/2009 6:54:32 PM
Updated: 2/19/2009 9:02:05 AM

<snipped>
SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh took investigators to Tennessee, First Coast News has learned.
The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that Sunday afternoon a witness claimed to have seen a man with a girl matching Haleigh's description at a Carrabba's in Knoxville.
There was a brief search which resulted in nothing.

Article:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...131662&catid=3

This is an example of what we will be seeing a lot more of and what I do not want to hinder this case as it did in the other one. Repeated claims of children in public possibly being Haleigh without specifics in their "tips" and being unable to substantiate the claims. It ties up LE and the FBI.

[LaLaw2000]

Well, I can tell you how I feel in this case. I am getting disgusted! An Amber Alert was issused for a missing little 5 year old girl. At that point it becomes everyones business. Haleigh is a tiny little girl who is no longer with people she lived with and loved. She may be scared to death and sick. Worse yet, she may be with a pedophile. Or dead (hate to say it). The FBI is involved and they do not do press conferences. Local law enforcement has the jusrisdiction. Local LE should not hold daily press conferences if they will not answer simple questions and also state that they cannot answer the question.

We have found out many things about each person in her family. None have stellar reputations. Her grandmother, Mrs. Neves, appears to be the most decent one and maybe the greatgrandmother. Haleigh was living in a community of sex offenders.

My gloves are off on this one. Apparently Ronald had a fight with one of Misty's cousins and a gun was stolen. LE found an abandoned car. Had it been lived in? Was the car a broken down car, or a rusted out one? I know LE can track the car from the VIN number. So why not come right out and talk openly about the car? It makes no sense. LE wouldn't even answer the question about whether or not Haleigh was even in school the day she disappeared. Simple question. We found out she was, but why not have answered that question?

In this case, I am frustrated with LE beyond words. There is such a thing as being too tight lipped. I know LE doesn't want the key people to lawyer up and stop cooperating. Well, tough chit. The time has come to play hard ball. Let the key people get lawyers. Watch each person like a hawk - their every movement. Let them see that this is going to be every day and every night until someone comes across with the truth. Ask for another polygraph. Polygraph everyone on Crystal's side of the family. Her husband also. Stay on everyone everyday. Let's see who stops cooperating first.

My worry and concern is with Haleigh, not any of the others. Plain and simple, a 16 year old (16 at the time) should not have moved in with a 25 year old man to play house and at the same time become responsible for two small children, one only 5 and the other only 2 years old. Apparently everyone thought it was okay on both sides of the family and even with Misty's family.

If the search has gone to TN. with a sighting in Knoxville, just come right out and say it in the press conference and say that, but still focus around the home town area.

I am beginning to think that this is a copycat disappearance fashioned after Caylee. It seems planned. People say Ronald was at work. Well, it could have happened before he went to work. I do not take anyone's word except LE's and the FBI. LE just may have stumbled upon something like they did in the Brooke Bennett case involving child pornographers in other states. Then I might see the need for all the secrecy.

I have no idea what happened to Haleigh. Apparently LE doesn't either. The FBI may have a clue, but they do not give press conferences and surely would not broadcast it anyway. I would love for local LE to come right out and say that they are focusing on many people and watching them. It has been this long now, and if whoever has Caylee was going to kill her they probably have already done so.

Tell us about the abandoned car. Who's was it? Answer simple questions at press conferences or do not have them. LE doesn't have to tell us everything, but tell us something.

I am usually very pro LE, but not so much here. Still very pro FBI, though.

[3dogmom]

I think it is way too early to know if LE has handled this properly.

What bugs the crap out of me is why do they have all these press conferences? They never answer any of the questions asked of them. It is frustrating. Just do a press release, no need for a conference if you aren't going to answer the questions.

[3dogmom]

LaLaw2000-you read my mind!

[gibby207]

I think LE is tight-lipped because they don't need as much help from the public as they are portraying. I think they have a good handle in the situation, good leads, etc., versus Caylee being missing when no one was helping out and they had to reach out to the public.

[LaLaw2000]

*I meant Crystal's fiance'!

[LaLaw2000]

LaLaw2000-you read my mind!

I just calls it as I sees it!

[shadow2112]

I agree totally, why have a press conference if your not going to say anything. Very confusing and frustrating.

[kellync]

LaLaw, you got it as far as I am concerned, very well said.
I'll bet LE is dying to charge someone with obstruction, but that someone would be entitled to an attorney, and they are biting their tongues right now

[cocoamom]

LE is being very smart in this. They're in small town USA, where everyone knows each other / or everyone is related. Mostly everyone knows the key players & are friends or enemies to the families involved.

Put in context LE probably couldn't even get any info while they were in Satsuma from witnesses. Most feared retaliation, so LE moved command center to Palatka.In hopes of more info. Probably most friends & neighbors would have to fear retaliation for talking. This does hapen in the USA.Its not what you know its who you know.The good old boy system.

We have not heard from anyone who said a bad word, a leak here & there is it. I suspect the leaks come from LE, not anyone who knows them personally.

Great post! Also, isn't a family member a LE dispatcher somewhere close by? Maybe cards close to the vest is best at this time....even a dispatcher is privy to information - overhearing, looking up, etc...KWIM?

[cocoamom]

I think LE is tight-lipped because they don't need as much help from the public as they are portraying. I think they have a good handle in the situation, good leads, etc., versus Caylee being missing when no one was helping out and they had to reach out to the public.

AAACKKK! You said "reach out"!!!! You need a break! LOL :crazy:

[SpriteGal]

I think it's a good thing they are quiet. The only thing they are owe anyone is the family, and if they don't need help from the public then nobody is owed an explanation of what is going on.

[winterrose]

cocoamom...But she meant it "in a backwards sort of way".:crazy: Okay,I'll put myself in timeout.:)

[djk]

overall I think the complete range of LE has handled the case well, not considering the search 10 south of Satsuma the other day. I think what they did there did not match the resources. In other words they could have gotten by with fewer LE. But then again your looking at several different agencies, I guess, being there and some of it may have been *live* training. But it did have the flavor of just milking the opportunity for some overtime, IMO.

[nursebeeme]

Soon to be hubby did point a very good point to me, while reading over my shoulder.
To quote him. "Holding some stuff back is good, but what about the important things? No reports even mentioned the birthmark on her cheek. They could hold back investigative details, but isn't a full, accurate description of her a little different?"

He can't get an account, same IP address, so sometimes I have to post his thoughts too. I thought that was a good one. way to go hubby to be! I agree! If we are to look at the face we need to see the birthmark. Perhaps a photo of what she would look like if her hair were cut or dyed. And her body shape... I am glad that the picture of her in the bikini running was posted (not sure where I saw it) but it exemplifies the turner's syndrome that she has (expanded shoulder area in comparison to torso and height, malformed elbows, shorter lower limbs compared to upper). I also agree that LE should make this known. So why didn't they? I tend to think they know and are on to something and that is why we have not seen more of the above. Today at the presser the media asked the sheriff if he knew what Misty said about the pink shirt. He said no, what did she say? Media then told him that she said she saw it in the laundry. LE said nothing to this to indicate surprise nor did they counter it with another fact. This tells me they are onto this pink shirt. They are all over Misty and trying to get a straight story and know they elements that she has screwed up already...and they are onto a line of thought that we are not privy to. Perhaps it is because they are afraid to put it out there because it could further endanger her life (if they figure her to be alive somewhere) OR they are in the recovery of remains mode and want to get it out of whomever can lead them to it...

Either way, I completely am trusting the Le team on this...it is not just local but fdle and fbi. I hope they can crack this soon.

[SeriouslySearching]

It has been 10 days and they have gone long passed the time where they need to ask for the public's input in finding Haleigh. Unless they have a very good idea who she is with or indication she is dead, they need to pull out all the stops right now to find her. Playing this so close to the vest will only serve to keep the media at bay and does nothing to find Haleigh. In every missing person case, public eyes are the best bet every time. LE cannot cover the kind of ground that the media can and where the community at large lives.

[nursebeeme]

I think it is way too early to know if LE has handled this properly.

What bugs the crap out of me is why do they have all these press conferences? They never answer any of the questions asked of them. It is frustrating. Just do a press release, no need for a conference if you aren't going to answer the questions.
bingo dude

(same thoughts nurse has been ponderin')

I have several thoughts on this:

1) most of the pressers have been on the subject of family pleas, and reward increases. (perhaps they are targeting a known person of the family, friend, or secondarily related person that would buckle to this or take the reward and dump Haleigh off somewhere)

2) LE gives nothing. They are "working" or "following" everything the media presents them with without even one BIT of investigative cheese. They will not elaborate or corraboratae on the car siezed and processed nor will they comment on friends, cousins, let alone MISTY and her (to put it nicely) confusing statements.

VIA all that above: I think that LE is working from the inner circle out and cannot clear the family.....and at the same time are trying to investigate the rsos in the area and other persons who could possibly be one who would abduct a child out of her bed. They are at a loss. I think they continue to UNEARTH VIA ALL LE TOOLS any info that MISTY has and has not shared.

[raisincharlie]

When one can actually hear the questions, it is often very telling what LE does not say and how they do not say it, as it is when they do say something.

[HRCODEPINK]

It is frustrating, but you have to remember that Caylee's case was so different. By the time they started releasing information, not only was a defense attorney involved who had the right to discovery, but by then they knew that it was too late to save little Caylee and they already knew who the murderer was. In this case they may know ALOT more, but keeping quite on what you know keeps the kidnapper calmer too, so that they don't flee and they don't panic and do something to Haleigh if she is still alive. And that is the case no matter if the person was related or someone passing thru on the train. I am dying to see what they have, but I am willing to try to be patient for Haleigh's sake and think LE is probably doing a great job.

Someone else mentioned the trailer being released. Sorry, can't remember but anyway, if Misty was not home, as I suspect, and this had been a regular thing, the person who has her might have known he had several hours and could have spent a lot of time in the trailer, or a little. However, they may just be fingerprinting the ENTIRE place. The longer they could have been in there, the greater chance they lost a hair or something. I feel bad for them in the tents, but if it were one of my children I would sleep wherever they told me to, just find my daughter.

[WillenFan21]

Can someone explain to me why it is they wouldn't at least be letting the family in on things? Any interview I have seen with any of this family they have said when asked things that they are finding out stuff through the media and I just find that pathetic. They should not be finding this stuff out through the media IMO the police should be informing them.

I just do not think that LE is doing a good job on this. AT ALL. I loved the police that were working on Caylee's Case.

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Does anyone know when LE began to control access to Ron's mh ? I assume it would be standard protocol to do so as soon as they arrive - but I'm not that knowledgeable about LE procedures. Has anyone seen any news reports that indicate when the home was roped off as a crime scene ?

[yosande]

Honestly, to me it feels like a JBR thing. Cover up, and preferential treatment for the dad, who is probably the perp. jmo

[lil momma]

I think the LE needs to let the public know a little about what is going on with the case. I feel there is no better way to find a missing child than new conferences, how else would anyone know what the child looks like and possible changes to their appearance. I think that LE has made many mistakes in this case, and should have used the public to aide in the searching for HC. In the beginning things were going fairly well, but since the day that LE stated that they now have to start from square one, and five plus months later, i am very upset. If i were the parents of missing HC then i would be all over LE every minute of every single day, demanding.

I also feel that maybe there might be some reasoning behind LE being so tight lipped. I am not sure exactly what i think has happened, but i am pretty confident that LE has their ideas as to what happened, but have no evidence to prove it.

I feel as if it is a catch 22....

[texasmommy39]

I think the LE are on the ball with this case, it's not just local, it's FDLE as well and they've handled kidnapping cases before. They also have the FBI involved. I'm sure they have good reason for not releasing much info, especially if any of the family has an idea who it is, they may not want them to run.
BBM
You hit a few nails on the head with this. IMO

[texasmommy39]

The fact that LE has been so tight lipped is IMO an indication of the crime that LE believes was committed and by who (family) may have committed it. The problem is the who do you believe when they are both pointing fingers at the other. The argument of who started it is irrelevant only if that side is innocent and after 169 days I don't believe we are looking at bad police work and DCF failure to investigate and determine who is stating the truth, but, the inability to find that one piece of evidence that this criminal forgot he/she left behind or a hole in their alibi.
This brings us back to alibis. Since we have no access to the evidence collected and not released to the public (through LE’s PR’s and 911 call and report) I will leave that up to the experts to do their job., The reported upon spoken word has been conveniently at our fingertips, but, has been misinterpreted to the 9th degree, because no one believes anyone, at this time. The guilty part either accomplished what they set out to do or they failed miserably at covering their tracks with throwing the other side under the bus.
So all we really have had is what has been revealed to us by LE and the ugly side show to speculate upon and share an opinion about. Are we guilty of providing a platform to this side show is my question now and is there an arm chair sleuth out there that can look into all this mess and see the facts and solve this case?

IMO I want to keep looking at the facts that will FIND HALEIGH.

One more question. When did HaLeigh come up missing change from Tuesday 2/10/09?
The argument that HalLeigh was missing that Mon before 7pm is something that would conflict with this released information would it not?

[Flossie JMO]

Do we know or have any reason to believe that this is a recent development?

I don't have any idea how large the staff of the PCSO is, but considering the seriousness of the crime of child abduction, and the sad statistics concerning the results I wouldn't be surprised if they have had homicide personnel involved nearly from the onset. In fact I would hope that they have been.

Just asking. Any record of the OCSO personnel assignments to the Haleigh abduction case?

Iirc both Merchant and Lyle, who handle murders, have been involved since the early days of the case.

[cajun]

Strategery is good :-p

Also in that article, (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-lochaleigh-cummings-six-months-080909aug09,0,502551.story) it states Ronald posted bail of $12,504. And, more ominously, makes note to indicate that one of the detectives now on the case is a homicide detective :(

He's been on the case since the beginning..nothing new about it.

[stilettos]

He's been on the case since the beginning..nothing new about it.

They must have had the idea from the beginning then that this might be a murder case.

[cajun]

How many detectives do you think PCSO has? I am sure since they don't have many they utilized any and all dectectives. P. Cone was not on the case in the beginning.

[fortytwo]

They must have had the idea from the beginning then that this might be a murder case.
If they didn't then they would be remarkably uninformed about child abduction statistics.

There might not have been a reason for great concern when they responded to the 911 call, but once they knew the circumstances and even a short period of time had passed the numbers become much more grim.

[stilettos]

If they didn't then they would be remarkably uninformed about child abduction statistics.

There might not have been a reason for great concern when they responded to the 911 call, but once they knew the circumstances and even a short period of time had passed the numbers become much more grim.

I was just commenting on it as it has been loudly touted that this crime is being treated as an abduction and only an abduction, by many. I would think that the involvement from the beginning of the FBI factored in the info that this quite possibly is a murder investigation. I pray they waste no more time and find the perp.

[cajun]

"Putnam County detectives handling Haleigh's disappearance have been trained in child-abduction cases as well as other investigations."

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/030609/news_030609_036.shtml

[Emeralgem]

Just curious, but does anyone know if the homicide detective is John Merchant?

[cajun]

Just curious, but does anyone know if the homicide detective is John Merchant?

" Lead detective John Merchant spent much of his 16-year career in the drug unit"
http://www.staugustine.com/stories/030609/news_030609_036.shtml

[Whisperer]

I was just commenting on it as it has been loudly touted that this crime is being treated as an abduction and only an abduction, by many. I would think that the involvement from the beginning of the FBI factored in the info that this quite possibly is a murder investigation. I pray they waste no more time and find the perp.

The crime was being treated as an abduction because that gives LE the widest and most help available to assist them, since they had no blood evidence to go in any other direction. There was nothing there that screams stranger abduction. For those who think Crystal or her family, there would have been hair or skin fibers left behind.

IMO, this has always been a homicide but w/o DNA evidence left from a stranger and no blood evidence in MH..can't name person.

As you can see by the recent incident, things would come to a head rapidly if the newlyweds had their own place. They prefer their cocoon though.

[Whisperer]

John Merchant had been removed from case....may be the reason RC whined the other day that LE are not staying in touch with him..

GGMA refers to Merchant by his first name and RC and M seem to like him very much. After 16 yrs in drugs, I suppose they have run into the families and are on a first name basis.

[Emeralgem]

" Lead detective John Merchant spent much of his 16-year career in the drug unit"
http://www.staugustine.com/stories/030609/news_030609_036.shtml

Thanks for the information...

IMHO.. Thats not a good thing.

[Emeralgem]

John Merchant had been removed from case....may be the reason RC whined the other day that LE are not staying in touch with him..

GGMA refers to Merchant by his first name and RC and M seem to like him very much.

I'm hearing he is back on the case..

[chesterp]

How many detectives do you think PCSO has? I am sure since they don't have many they utilized any and all dectectives. P. Cone was not on the case in the beginning.

Peggy has been on this from day one. When I met Natisha from NG, she gave me her contact, Det.Rose, and he told me Peggy was the lead Detective.

[MADJGNLAW]

"snip"
Theories abound Pressures have come from all sides and been kept alive on the Web where bloggers argue and speculate, said family members and others in the case.

Griffis said she has become accustomed to accusations. She has asked to take a lie detector test and was given a voice stress analysis.

The next step should be for detectives to name those who are no longer suspects, she said.

“You need to start excluding the people that you know do not have this information,” she said.

Bowling said it takes rock-solid alibis before detectives can eliminate anyone and those have not been established. He said the best that can be done is assign degrees of suspicion to people.
“Where is the responsibility in saying somebody is not a suspect?” he said.

Sheffield, is more blunt about Cummings. “I really do feel like he is covering for Misty and she is covering for him,”


Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of LE, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.
The interviews with Misty have produced different pictures. She was alone with Cummings’ children the night Haleigh disappeared. “We’ve said from day one Misty’s story is absolutely filled with inconsistencies,” Bowling said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later

[Baxter]

Peggy has been on this from day one. When I met Natisha from NG, she gave me her contact, Det.Rose, and he told me Peggy was the lead Detective.

I think you are right about Peggy N. being put back in charge. The article below states the investigator is a "she".

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-6-months-missing-today/Lz_91PDOSU2XXRzHEeHdYA.cspx

[LillieBelle]

I'm not sure how I feel about the LE in this case. I have times where I almost want to scream when they say "no comment" or "we are not going to discuss this/that". But then I have times where I think to myself, they certainly have to know more than I do and know what they are doing!

I do think they could tell us just a tad bit more though...;)

I have thought that surely they know more than we do about this case, but just recently when LE came out and said they "have no clues", I about lost it!! Over 4,000 tips and they don't have any clues???

[Whisperer]

I had learned that the Lead Investigator is Agent Joliceur form FDLE. He just got the case about two weeks ago and things look very promising. He is seasoned and has the experience to move this case in the right direction. We won't be hearing much from him though.

[elle1919]

After doing a little research I read that this investigator is well, well liked and admired. One of his many praises comes for his work in the "gang" related field. Anyone else heard the same?

[kiki the parrot]

Am reposting since it belongs here. In this case the evidence led investigators in multiple directions and they extensively interviewed and gathered info from numerous sources. Everyone who wants to find a missing child, but especially the custodial parent and the one claiming to have last seen, and been present at the time the child disappeared, should be assisting LE in every way possible--w/out worrying about where any evidence leads. I'd be at their beck and call--putting myself at their disposal 24/7 volunteering as much time as it took--and demonstrate thru my willingness to work w LE that I was an open book. To fault LE while simultaneously resisting LE and cutting off interviews is disingenuinuous. While the investigation admittedly appears to us to have stalled, needless to say LE has more info obviously on which they're basing the course of the investigation. They do not deserve criticism IMO. Just as my theories have hardly been one-tracked (they have been all over the place, run the gamut from A to Z--please see the early threads), neither has LE had tunnel vision. After following this case from the outset, IMO they've pursued all possible angles. Like whisperer I too am hopeful the investigation can now become more focused and energized. JMO

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[elle1919]

Lots of information here what I would really like to know is what happened to change the investigators mind about the roundtable discussion that was supposed to occur a month after the first one?

http://www.pcso.us/2009-6-5-a

snip~No suspects were identified as a result of this meeting, and no persons were eliminated. The participants emphasized that the Haleigh Cummings case IS NOT a cold case. There are still investigative leads to be followed, evidence to be analyzed, and previous interviews to be re-conducted. The group intends to meet again in 30 days if the case has not yet been solved.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy was very complimentary of the efforts thus far, and commented, "There were a lot of new ideas and a lot of things that we've looked at that we're going to look at again." He further stated, "We are going to follow this through to the end."~ end snip

I can't help but wonder if the round table was done for appearance purposes.

[lil momma]

I wonder elle, why these roundtable meeting haven't been happening every 30 days, period?

The thing i find amazing is how LE can continue to say this is not a cold case, i don't want to believe it is, but i mean, nothing is happening. They are really no closer to finding HaLeigh than they were the night she went missing. No one has been cleared as suspects.

I think it is time for PCSO to let another agency take over, they have had 10 months to wade through the bs, and have gotten no where. JMO :)

[debs]

The only thing I know is that we haven't had an announcement that another one has taken place, or another 9. Maybe they have and we don't know.

I do want to know why this case particularly is played so close to the vest by LE, letting very little information out, disallowing media or the public to really assist on the case at all. I'm starting to really wonder why it is played so close to the vest.

[lil momma]

I have been wondering that for the last 8 or 9 months, debs! I am really starting to get ticked already.

I find it a little hard to swallow when reading that JMerchant has spent most of his 16 years in the drug unit....

[elle1919]

I wonder elle, why these roundtable meeting haven't been happening every 30 days, period?

The thing i find amazing is how LE can continue to say this is not a cold case, i don't want to believe it is, but i mean, nothing is happening. They are really no closer to finding HaLeigh than they were the night she went missing. No one has been cleared as suspects.

I think it is time for PCSO to let another agency take over, they have had 10 months to wade through the bs, and have gotten no where. JMO :)

I agree, I hope we hear soon of some movement. Unless they have solved the case and just neglected to tell the family.:waitasec:

[cajun]

The only thing I know is that we haven't had an announcement that another one has taken place, or another 9. Maybe they have and we don't know.

I do want to know why this case particularly is played so close to the vest by LE, letting very little information out, disallowing media or the public to really assist on the case at all. I'm starting to really wonder why it is played so close to the vest.


Me too, debs. I truly wish there was someway the FBI could take over the lead in this case.

[kamky]

The only thing I know is that we haven't had an announcement that another one has taken place, or another 9. Maybe they have and we don't know.

I do want to know why this case particularly is played so close to the vest by LE, letting very little information out, disallowing media or the public to really assist on the case at all. I'm starting to really wonder why it is played so close to the vest.
I wonder if it is an overreaction to the Caylee Anthony case's approach of putting out too much info. It's a deliberate approach and my guess is that we might understand this in hindsight if & when this case is solved.

[Emeralgem]

I agree, I hope we hear soon of some movement. Unless they have solved the case and just neglected to tell the family.:waitasec:

IMHO..IF they have solved the case they have neglected to arrest Ron C...and the members of his family who have been covering for him....JMO

[debs]

I wonder if it is an overreaction to the Caylee Anthony case's approach of putting out too much info. It's a deliberate approach and my guess is that we might understand this in hindsight if & when this case is solved.

A combination challenge to the veracity of the Sunshine Laws as applicable in every case? Interesting.

[SoSueMe]

The only thing I know is that we haven't had an announcement that another one has taken place, or another 9. Maybe they have and we don't know.

I do want to know why this case particularly is played so close to the vest by LE, letting very little information out, disallowing media or the public to really assist on the case at all. I'm starting to really wonder why it is played so close to the vest.

It may be that LE does know what happened, but have no body and not enough proof to arrest the person responsible. I can think of no other reason why they would turn down search groups and wouldn't bring in additional LE, such as the FBI who have unlimited resources. At the very least they could ask the FBI to profile the case.

It's baffling to me, that's for sure. It will be a shame if they let this case go cold, or maybe not, if they can bring in a qualified cold case squad.

[Whisperer]

They are biding their time...

If misty and ron didn't lawyer up, it would be different. This can take years once attorneys get involved. There is not one good reason these two needed to lawyer up unless they are guilty..imo.

[Whisperer]

I hope LE can keep up with all the resident moves this family makes. Any word of anything happening on Rita Lane?

[Whisperer]

What needed to be done and most likely was is a psychological profile on misty and ron. After this is complete and IF they were involved with the crime, it is somewhat easier to get an idea of what they do with Haleigh. That is what is important and that is why these two and others need to be evaluated and their personalities examined. After profiling Casey, it was easy to see what she would do and where she would place Caylee. The big problem was they said that area had been cleared, so it got ruled out very early. kc was a comfort creature and very much lived a routine. It was likely Caylee would be close to home due to casey's comfort level. Not many people would like to travel very far with a dead body in their car.

[kiki the parrot]

Slightly OT but a follow-up to your post whips, and given current forum structure unclear where else--in which other existing thread--this would belong...

Who among the clan is a hunter, outdoorsman, fisherman, boatsman... and where was their preferred locale or stomping grounds?

Given family properties and surrounding parcels of land the options for a land disposal would seem limitless (including Rear 40 or back yard, and river w/in proximity of PDM), but other than small boat more recently seen pictured in GMS' back yard which players had familiarity w and access to water?

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