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kellync
02-19-2009, 04:02 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html
Link

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Hopefully we'll have answers today..

momtective
02-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Arrest made!
Confirmed HLN

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:04 PM
:praying: Praying for good news!

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:04 PM
The sheriff is there today

Mouser
02-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Can't watch. Please relay info.

Thank you kindly.

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:06 PM
He is going to settle rumors
sex predator that was arrested has no direct link

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:06 PM
yes, we did make an arrest for SRO and no connection to Haleigh

babycat
02-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Good call to the WSer who pointed out this arrest earlier! Can't remember who...

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Arrest was made on a sexual predator in Putnam County. Name is Timothy Randolph Louciks. Lives a mile from Haleighs residence.
Not related to Haleigh at this time.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:07 PM
SRO has GPS ankle monitor and he was away from residence.

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:07 PM
He violated curfew, had gps monitor, he is cleared, basically

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:07 PM
SO on a GPS monitor. Curfew is 9am-10pm. Wasn't home by curfew last night. They know where he was last night, and they have a search team in that area.

impatientredhead
02-19-2009, 04:08 PM
does the path the dogs took go by this guys house?

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:08 PM
He was within his home zone during the time that Haleigh disappeared. Was the first person they interviewed at 5am. Home was searched and he was reinterviewed at 10:30am.

Not excluding anyone as a suspect.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:08 PM
he violated his curfew, and he was interviewed in the beginning when they were talking to SRO the first night/day

will not confirm Misty's cousin is a sex offender but they have talked to him

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:08 PM
he was at home, one of the first people they interviewed at 530 am the first day.
They have been in contact with Mistys relative out of tennessee.

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Currently are questioning him in regards from this case

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Have polygraphs going on currently. Still questioning family members.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:09 PM
won't give description of vehicle in custody.

Misty is being re interviewed

cc81
02-19-2009, 04:09 PM
if he is not connected yet they have caught him... why a search team in his area?

I take is HLN goofed and this is who they claimed was arrested in connection to Haleigh?

aprilshowers
02-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Posiblity: could have had her hidden within his GPS confines, but took her somewhere outside of that area last night?

Just thinking out loud.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Misty's cousin is in TN

Misty will be allowed to go home after interview

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Confirms Misty is back at the sheriffs office being reinterviewed.

cynsational
02-19-2009, 04:10 PM
He wont answer any of the questions. "That's part of the investigation". I am so frustrated...........

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
any abuse in home of Cummings? Won't say. Been lots of misinformation in this case

jaimie43
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
I dont think this arrest has anything to do with HC. He wears a GPS, his curfew is from 10pm to 6 am, and last night he broke his curfew and was arrested this morning. As a reporter asked "why even bring this guy up"?????

cynsational
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
He says: Our interviews with Misty.. We are not going to reveal that.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
RSO was arrested but has no connection to Haleighs case. He lives one 1 mile away

He has a GPS tracker on him. He was not at his residence during his curfew so he was in viloation of probation. He was one of the first person who was interviewed at 5:00AM the same morning that Haleigh went missing.
This man's GPs showed he was in his home zone at the time but they are looking again to double check.

They have looked at alot of people.

Won't give descriptions of vehicle that they have.

1300 tips. Misty is at S office being interviewed again but will be able to go home.

Bascially they won't tell us anything.

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
Posiblity: could have had her hidden within his GPS confines, but took her somewhere outside of that area last night?

Just thinking out loud.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:12 PM
SRO was within a mile of Cummings house.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:12 PM
media asked if it was a red rav or red rad ford?

raeann
02-19-2009, 04:12 PM
I believe they said he was GPS restricted from 10 pm till ??? am.......if Misty was out of the house after the kids went to bed at 8 pm.....then that gave him time on the night Hayleigh disappeared. Where DID the dogs go in relation to his home?

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:13 PM
They have some new leads and are following up on them

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:13 PM
"we have polygraphs going on as we speak"
wont tell what vehicle was looked at
over 1300 tips
Misty is back at sheriff office per the sheriff
The question of mistys timeline IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR INVESTIGATION
"yes, Misty will be able to go home"
Wont answer if anyone failed poly
wont answer if they passed
investigating all aspects of family
holding info extremely close
going to be cautious
right now, the info that we have is that relative of Mistys is not a sex offender (I SAY Brandon!!)
ahem
Everything indicates that RSO arrested should not be associated with Haleigh
disappearence
working leads now, doing polygraphs
have new leads, following up

momtective
02-19-2009, 04:13 PM
okay, HLN pizzes me off! Their leader was "Arrest made in connection to Haleigh Cummings disappearance." Sorry for the confusion but if y'all recall he was the first SO we looked hard at.

babycat
02-19-2009, 04:13 PM
I wonder why they didn't mention the TN sighting of Haleigh? Maybe it's not credible?

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
Also, they are not excluding SRO that was arrested.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
But the predators gps says he was not at Haleighs residence. He lives a mile from her house and the gps is set for a mile from his house. Awful close measurements for me.

not_my_kids
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I am beginning to think that after Misty's story about the cousin in TN and then the sighting in TN, that might be what caused her to be brought in today.
SInce they will be releasing her. Personally,I say lock her up, maybe she would break.
ETA: sorry, I can't type right now, I have sugar jitters.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I wonder why they didn't mention the TN sighting of Haleigh? Maybe it's not credible?

They did ask the question..not much of an answer though

Mouser
02-19-2009, 04:15 PM
Is it possible that Misty could have actually brought Haleigh to him. That would explain why his GPS didn't register him being out of "bounds". Maybe she exchanged Haleigh for drugs.--Absolutely just mentally meandering here.

indicat
02-19-2009, 04:15 PM
That's exactly what I'm thinking.

I'd like to think that LE has covered this completly but I thought that about the area Caylee eneded up being located in.

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:15 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wokirq.jpg

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:16 PM
Maybe the railroad tracks is still within his gps freedom.

Someone else led her to the tracks and past her off and returned to their alibi.

Amster
02-19-2009, 04:16 PM
any abuse in home of Cummings? Won't say. Been lots of misinformation in this case

A lot of misinformation coming from Misty. IMO

kikid
02-19-2009, 04:16 PM
Is it possible that Misty could have actually brought Haleigh to him. That would explain why his GPS didn't register him being out of "bounds". Maybe she exchanged Haleigh for drugs.--Absolutely just mentally meandering here.

or took the kids somewhere within his gps radius and left them alone in car for any length of time??? anything and everything is a possibility

babycat
02-19-2009, 04:16 PM
They did ask the question..not much of an answer though

Sorry I must have missed it...I could barely hear them talking:(

thanks

swanniee11
02-19-2009, 04:16 PM
SRO was within a mile of Cummings house.


Not to mention but the GPS unit give's him a 1 mile zone from his home. Exactly how far does he live from her house. Geezzzzz.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:17 PM
Misty was not handcuffed when put in back of LE car,is being questioned again and will be able to go home.

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:17 PM
How many more ways could the sheriff have said...THIS GUY IS NOT INVOLVED?

passionflower
02-19-2009, 04:17 PM
I am beginning to think that after Misty's story about the cousin in TN and then the sighting in TN, that might be what caused her to be brought in today.
SInce they will be releasing her. Personally,I say lock her up, maybe she would break.
ETA: sorry, I can't type right now, I have sugar jitters.

A very Happy Birthday to your baby!

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:18 PM
SO lives within one mile of Haleighs and was within one mile of his house that night,so that means if she had walked outside of her home....

raeann
02-19-2009, 04:18 PM
But the predators gps says he was not at Haleighs residence. He lives a mile from her house and the gps is set for a mile from his house. Awful close measurements for me.

The RSO was monitored only between 10pm and 6 am......and if Hayleigh was outside her house for any reason...ie looking for Misty, then it would have been within the 1 mile possibly.

Leila
02-19-2009, 04:18 PM
any abuse in home of Cummings? Won't say. Been lots of misinformation in this case

He said that was one of the reasons he was here today - to dispel some of the misinformation, and then said nothing further on this subject!

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:18 PM
lol......I hate pressers.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:19 PM
The reporter is a yoyo,Sheriff said he's not linked,(like friend of relative),but noone is not a suspect.Reporter said Sheriff was saying he is not a suspect,not what he said.

momtective
02-19-2009, 04:19 PM
They probably took Misty down to take a look at the SO to see if she had ever seen or had any contact with him.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:19 PM
I wonder if we could get an accurate distance reading from his house to the railroad where the dogs tracked her.

passionflower
02-19-2009, 04:20 PM
Is it possible that Misty could have actually brought Haleigh to him. That would explain why his GPS didn't register him being out of "bounds". Maybe she exchanged Haleigh for drugs.--Absolutely just mentally meandering here.

OMG! Never did I think of that! BUT you NEVER KNOW anyone on drugs will do.......:eek:

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:20 PM
The sheriff said he was not involved.

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:21 PM
I'll bet they wanted the focus OFF of the RSO because they want to keep the pressure on Misty.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 04:21 PM
Posiblity: could have had her hidden within his GPS confines, but took her somewhere outside of that area last night?

Just thinking out loud.
Haleigh lives within his one mile safe zone:eek: He looks like a huge man tho...I do not see him maneuvering thru that back door (but he is a sick animal so anything is possible)

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:21 PM
SO lives within one mile of Haleighs and was within one mile of his house that night,so that means if she had walked outside of her home....

Not necessarily. His curfew hours are 9am-10pm. So, if Misty was maybe lying about the time that she fell asleep or if she went out or whatever..if Haleigh was taken before 10 (even if it was like 9:55 or so) and he took her back to his house by 10..that's a scenario also. All we have saying that she was taken between 10-3am is Mistys word, which so far hasn't been very credible IMO.

passionflower
02-19-2009, 04:21 PM
I didn't see this, when is the next presser?
Each day hoping for an answer to something.

jaimie43
02-19-2009, 04:21 PM
I have a question about the GPS. Does it literally track every step he makes just within a "designated area" or anywhere that he might go? And do you think, in light of HC 's dissappearence, that LE would only be tracking him between 10pm and 6 am?

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 04:21 PM
The RSO was monitored only between 10pm and 6 am......and if Hayleigh was outside her house for any reason...ie looking for Misty, then it would have been within the 1 mile possibly.

Why aren't these people monitored 24/7.
What he is only a preditor from 10:00PM to 6:00AM. :furious:
WTH

I am speechless.

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:22 PM
I'll bet they wanted the focus OFF of the RSO because they want to keep the pressure on Misty.

That's why he said he wanted to stop the rumor before it started!!!!! He is not involved....

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 04:22 PM
Confirms Misty is back at the sheriffs office being reinterviewed. another interesting tidbit to add to that...when media asked about polys he said they have done them, are doing them, and doing some right now (could be Misty again???)

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:22 PM
I was listening to the reporters on firstcoastnews.com and they said they were going to re search the RSO's house.

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:23 PM
The Sheriff said he wanted to stop the mis-information. The So is not involved.

Becky319
02-19-2009, 04:24 PM
I think it is Misty taking another polography...or is it the arrested SO? We need this doll baby found now!!

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:24 PM
Misty said in the cbs interview,Jr was awake and walked out of the room,but she was so tired,she went to sleep.So,being the light was on in kitchen and her story has changed about both kids being awake,was Haleigh awake?I think door wasn't unlocked,she walked out.

Amster
02-19-2009, 04:24 PM
If this SO creature took her, then dumped her, she should be within a 1 mile radius of his home, right?

I had no idea a GPS monitor would allow the perp a mile radius.

cajun
02-19-2009, 04:24 PM
That's why he said he wanted to stop the rumor before it started!!!!! He is not involved....

They said he was not excluded yet and they were going to re search his house

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:26 PM
They said he was not excluded yet and they were going to re search his house

Just to double check. The man said in every way he knew how...THE SO IS NOT INVOLVED.

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:26 PM
I think all people who commit crimes against children should have their private parts gnawed off by vermin while they are bound and gagged. (but not blindfolded) and I also think this particular press conference was to dispel the rumor that this RSO had NOTHING to do with the case. It was the only rumor out of ooh, I dont know, a billion that we've heard, that he put an end to. Quickly. Basically, the presser was to tell everyone to stop looking at this person. I found it interesting that he said he interviewed Mistys cousin. Why? hmmmmmm I wonder. Because her story dont jive peeps, and they are trying to keep the screws tight around her neck.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 04:26 PM
Why aren't these people monitored 24/7.
What he is only a preditor from 10:00PM to 6:00AM. :furious:
WTH

I am speechless.they are. He has to be within his "zone" during curfew which is 10pm until 6 am. He was outside of that zone after curfew and that is why he was hauled in.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 04:26 PM
0.5 miles away- Timothy R. Loucakis Convicted of: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL) (SEXUAL PREDATOR)


Found a list with RSO within a 5 miles radis on another thread. He was listed as 1/2 mile from the home so he would be withing the 1 miles home zone that LE mentioned.

smg4ddg
02-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Has anyone heard where haleighs bus stop is located.

kikid
02-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Misty said in the cbs interview,Jr was awake and walked out of the room,but she was so tired,she went to sleep.So,being the light was on in kitchen and her story has changed about both kids being awake,was Haleigh awake?I think door wasn't unlocked,she walked out.

you'd think JR. would wake Misty up if sis up and left or disappeared while he was awake and running around the house??

raeann
02-19-2009, 04:27 PM
The Sheriff said he wanted to stop the mis-information. The So is not involved.

NOT WHAT HE SAID AT ALL....he said the arrest was due to the GPS violation and that they do not at this time have a link to Hayleighs case. The LE officer made it clear that ALL possibilities are still being explored, and that would include this RSO!

Amster
02-19-2009, 04:27 PM
What good is a GPS monitor? Only tracked between 10pm and 6am? And a mile radius?? If this is true, GPS is a total waste!

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:28 PM
I think all people who commit crimes against children should have their private parts gnawed off by vermin while they are bound and gagged. (but not blindfolded) and I also think this particular press conference was to dispel the rumor that this RSO had NOTHING to do with the case. It was the only rumor out of ooh, I dont know, a billion that we've heard, that he put an end to. Quickly. Basically, the presser was to tell everyone to stop looking at this person. I found it interesting that he said he interviewed Mistys cousin. Why? hmmmmmm I wonder. Because her story dont jive peeps, and they are trying to keep the screws tight around her neck.
What I meant to say was dispell the rumor that he had something to do with this case.

melley
02-19-2009, 04:28 PM
New here, pardon me - where did the 1 mile safe zone come from? I thought with GPS, the person can only go x number of feet from the base before an alarm goes off, not an entire mile.

Indiana at Heart
02-19-2009, 04:28 PM
Why aren't these people monitored 24/7.
What he is only a preditor from 10:00PM to 6:00AM. :furious:
WTH

I am speechless.

I thought that was what the Jessica Law was for!!!!!!!!!!!

aprilshowers
02-19-2009, 04:28 PM
That's exactly what I'm thinking.

Guess we can only wait and see

ksgirl78
02-19-2009, 04:28 PM
another interesting tidbit to add to that...when media asked about polys he said they have done them, are doing them, and doing some right now (could be Misty again???)

Bolded by me.

I caught that too and wondered if Misty was under-going another one!

The first minute or two of that presser I could hear perfectly and then it was next to impossible to hear the questions being asked!

I did hear the sheriff asking one of the reporters, after they asked some question, what did Misty tell you? And then he said he wouldn't discuss/tell where the pink tee shirt was found in the home? Or something to that effect...Did anyone hear this?

Okay, gotta go pick up my boy from school...see you all in a few!!!!

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:29 PM
NOT WHAT HE SAID AT ALL....he said the arrest was due to the GPS violation and that they do not at this time have a link to Hayleighs case. The LE officer made it clear that ALL possibilities are still being explored, and that would include this RSO!


I beg to differ...He stated at the first, when ask why bring up this guy, that he wanted to stop the rumors. That he had had calls about this and wanted to straighten it out.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 04:29 PM
Just to double check. The man said in every way he knew how...THE SO IS NOT INVOLVED. I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was dispelling rumor that an arrest had been made in the case but he said at this time there was no connection that they knew of (leaving the door open). When one reporter asked if he was being questioned the Sherf. said yes. I don't think it is that open and shut at this point....but oh how I hate the wording in pressers LOL...

I think the shrf's statements were made to calm down the public and they are still looking into him
imhoo :blowkiss:

jaimie43
02-19-2009, 04:29 PM
Wonder how many families living in Putnam with kids, after this is over, will be packing up and moving to a less SO infested town?

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:30 PM
His gps monitor will know where he was, and any possible hiding place he may have taken Haleigh, but I dont think he did. He was the first one interviewed, they have looked him over with a fine toothed comb.
If he was monitored from 10-6, and he took Haleigh, and they came and interviewed him at 530 am, where was Haleigh? NOT WITH HIM

Amster
02-19-2009, 04:30 PM
Misty said in the cbs interview,Jr was awake and walked out of the room,but she was so tired,she went to sleep.So,being the light was on in kitchen and her story has changed about both kids being awake,was Haleigh awake?I think door wasn't unlocked,she walked out.

WHAT??? Jr. was awake and wandering around...oh brother! I need to go watch the interview....

mydailyopinions
02-19-2009, 04:30 PM
What good is a GPS monitor? Only tracked between 10pm and 6am? And a mile radius?? If this is true, GPS is a total waste!

Doesn't the GPS system work through the phone lines of the home? If so, then he only has so far he can go outside his home before an alarm goes through his ankle monitor.

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:31 PM
HLN...now, he is not involved. Showing clips of presser.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:31 PM
0.5 miles away- Timothy R. Loucakis Convicted of: Produce, Direct, Promote Sexual Perform. by Child; F.S. 827.071(3) (PRINCIPAL) (SEXUAL PREDATOR)


Found a list with RSO within a 5 miles radis on another thread. He was listed as 1/2 mile from the home so he would be withing the 1 miles home zone that LE mentioned.
Sheriff said a mile. I don't like the way this is panning out.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 04:31 PM
If this SO creature took her, then dumped her, she should be within a 1 mile radius of his home, right?

I had no idea a GPS monitor would allow the perp a mile radius. not if he dumped her outside of the curfew time:eek: and she lives within his one mile curfew zone (per the presser...what sheriff said)

Amster
02-19-2009, 04:32 PM
New here, pardon me - where did the 1 mile safe zone come from? I thought with GPS, the person can only go x number of feet from the base before an alarm goes off, not an entire mile.

That's what I always thought, also!

BeanE
02-19-2009, 04:33 PM
That's why he said he wanted to stop the rumor before it started!!!!! He is not involved....

So are you saying you think he's involved? ;)

colomom
02-19-2009, 04:33 PM
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/secretary/press/2008/MDAS.html

This article states that they have access to "archived data" and that the GPS can track "street to street". Do you suppose that they could actual see where he went (within the home zone) that night? I would think that it would be sophisticated enough to be able to tell if he had been to Haleigh's house.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:33 PM
Geez, maybe the guy was home in bed. They would be all over this if they thought they had this solved.

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:34 PM
So are you saying you think he's involved? ;)

I wuv u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :blowkiss:

swanniee11
02-19-2009, 04:34 PM
That's why he said he wanted to stop the rumor before it started!!!!! He is not involved....


Although you have stated ( I think 3 times) that LE said he's not involved, how I heard it was that they have not connected him to Hayleigh, this guy lives less than a mile from her house, his GPS unit allows him to go 1 mile without sending signals to the police. He could have gone to her house and they can't prove it yet, he has been arrested because last night he left the 1 mile zone. Who's to say he was hiding something out of his 1 mile zone.... They also said they are going to search his home again, if he were cleared why would they do that?

IMO of course.:waitasec:

raeann
02-19-2009, 04:35 PM
I beg to differ...He stated at the first, when ask why bring up this guy, that he wanted to stop the rumors. That he had had calls about this and wanted to straighten it out.

YES....to stop the rumors that this arrest was due to any association with Hayleigh's case AT THIS TIME....I just re-listened to his statement again on CNN and it was clear that he wanted people not to assume the case was solved. It was also clear that he was being very careful NOT to say that they KNEW there was no connection. LE is leaving all options open, just as they should be right now. Saying they even THINK there could be something up with this SO would make other information stop flowing in to the tip lines.

Recovering-Lurker
02-19-2009, 04:36 PM
I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was dispelling rumor that an arrest had been made in the case but he said at this time there was no connection that they knew of (leaving the door open). When one reporter asked if he was being questioned the Sherf. said yes. I don't think it is that open and shut at this point....but oh how I hate the wording in pressers LOL...

I think the shrf's statements were made to calm down the public and they are still looking into him
imhoo :blowkiss:

That's how I took it too. They are not ruling anyone out.

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:36 PM
You guys, think about it. Say he took Haleigh anytime that evening....His monitor was working from 10pm till 6 am. Are you thinking he took her at 8? 9? How did he get her???Misty walked him over there??? Police went to his trailer at 530 a.m. His activities the previous night, from 10pm until 6 am would have been accounted for due to gps. LE was there at 530 am. They have given out more info on this guy than ANYONE else, including the a/c repairman...to clear him and put the heat on Misty where IMO it belongs. They went overboard to dispel this rumor.

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:36 PM
Although you have stated ( I think 3 times) that LE said he's not involved, how I heard it was that they have not connected him to Hayleigh, this guy lives less than a mile from her house, his GPS unit allows him to go 1 mile without sending signals to the police. He could have gone to her house and they can't prove it yet, he has been arrested because last night he left the 1 mile zone. Who's to say he was hiding something out of his 1 mile zone.... They also said they are going to search his home again, if he were cleared why would they do that?

IMO of course.:waitasec:


I may say it 5 or 6 more times. :crazy: The Sheriff said they were going to "just to double check".

aprilshowers
02-19-2009, 04:37 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wokirq.jpg

what an ugly!!!

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:37 PM
Now Fox is saying LE has found something. Geez, a little late coming aren't they.

indicat
02-19-2009, 04:37 PM
So are you saying you think he's involved? ;)

That's what I thought teh was sayin.... :wink:

raeann
02-19-2009, 04:37 PM
His gps monitor will know where he was, and any possible hiding place he may have taken Haleigh, but I dont think he did. He was the first one interviewed, they have looked him over with a fine toothed comb.
If he was monitored from 10-6, and he took Haleigh, and they came and interviewed him at 530 am, where was Haleigh? NOT WITH HIM

Doesn't mean his friends, relatives, and associates have monitors. ANYONE could have been in his home and left with the child.....almost begins to make some sense of the crazy dog tracking paths.

catch_22
02-19-2009, 04:37 PM
i'm pretty sure his gps tracks him 24/7.
he just has to be home from 10pm to 9am or whatever the times were.
i'm pretty sure he must be at his home too.
i don't know where this 1 mile from home thing came from.

i think LE was trying to say that they went back and checked where this guy was the night haleigh went missing and this guy was home.

Aries72
02-19-2009, 04:37 PM
Has anyone heard where haleighs bus stop is located.

I live in Florida and they will make a bus stop far away for any RSO residence. Children are not allowed to walk in front or by a RSO home to get to a bus stop. (Probably one reason Ron picks her up from the bus stop)

This happened to us when my son started 1st grade. His bus stop was almost in the front of my house but then all of a sudden it changed to 2 streets over. When I went to the school about it, they said a RSO address was now living on my street. I was :eek: Come to find out, it was the son of the people who live across the street from me. He didn't live there BUT gave their address as his home address.

NRN
02-19-2009, 04:38 PM
Wonder how many families living in Putnam with kids, after this is over, will be packing up and moving to a less SO infested town?

Probably only the ones who can afford to move, which pro'ly ain't many.

Why not put the GPS around a SO's private parts - would certainly get some interesting coordinate information that way -!

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:38 PM
You guys, think about it. Say he took Haleigh anytime that evening....His monitor was working from 10pm till 6 am. Are you thinking he took her at 8? 9? How did he get her???Misty walked him over there??? Police went to his trailer at 530 a.m. His activities the previous night, from 10pm until 6 am would have been accounted for due to gps. LE was there at 530 am. They have given out more info on this guy than ANYONE else, including the a/c repairman...to clear him and put the heat on Misty where IMO it belongs. They went overboard to dispel this rumor.
and where could he have hidden her in that period of time that she wouldnt have been found by now?

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:38 PM
I may say it 5 or 6 more times. :crazy: The Sheriff said they were going to "just to double check".

Oh, I thought the sheriff said they weren't excluding him and couldn't rule him out. I guess I need to go back and relisten, haha.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:39 PM
I think because Misty keeps giving interviews and adding a new story,LE has to keep asking her what or how is this different than first two polygraphs.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 04:39 PM
His gps monitor will know where he was, and any possible hiding place he may have taken Haleigh, but I dont think he did. He was the first one interviewed, they have looked him over with a fine toothed comb.
If he was monitored from 10-6, and he took Haleigh, and they came and interviewed him at 530 am, where was Haleigh? NOT WITH HIM remember the little girl in Jacksonville (and I am so sorry my mind will not let me recall her precious name....my blood sugar is low!) who was murdered by the neighbor boy and stuffed under the water bed? LE were in that home more than once. Same goes for John Couey and little Jessica was a neighbor. These sickos find a way. It is very strange, in light of the fact that a small child is missing, that he would dare break curfew and I sure am interested to find out what his reasons were. At least LE has him locked up without bond and are questioning him, and according to wftv, set to re~search his house.

(aside...these pervs make me see RED! :behindbar I hope to God it was not one of them that got their hands on little Haleigh)

PinkyPoo
02-19-2009, 04:39 PM
FOX is now reporting something new has been found......then they talked about the shirt? Thats NOT new!

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:39 PM
Doesn't mean his friends, relatives, and associates have monitors. ANYONE could have been in his home and left with the child.....almost begins to make some sense of the crazy dog tracking paths.
Ya got me there !!!!
I still think the whole point was to clear him of involvement with Haleigh. IMO he should still be in jail from the first offense

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
Well
I have some questions now.

Are they tracking GPS at all times or only during curfew hours?
Why can't they pinpoint where this guy is at any time they want to. Pick at time and see where he was out. Follow the system to see exactly where is was every darn minuete of the day.
Can they go anywhere they want as long as they are back withing the home zone by a set time?
How far is the home zone for this person. This Sheriff said 1 mile. This mans home is less than a mile from Haliegh's home
If he has a curfew then why can he be 1 mile away from the home. Either you have to be home or you don't have to be home.

EmMomma
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
I don't get it.
A gal I know was on house arrest for DUI and couldn't even go off her front porch.
This monster gets a whole MILE?! WTF?!

kikid
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
You guys, think about it. Say he took Haleigh anytime that evening....His monitor was working from 10pm till 6 am. Are you thinking he took her at 8? 9? How did he get her???Misty walked him over there??? Police went to his trailer at 530 a.m. His activities the previous night, from 10pm until 6 am would have been accounted for due to gps. LE was there at 530 am. They have given out more info on this guy than ANYONE else, including the a/c repairman...to clear him and put the heat on Misty where IMO it belongs. They went overboard to dispel this rumor.

sounds like they are saying they will check him out and search his home and review his whereabouts, so they can rule him out completely (wouldn't want Ron putting a bullet in the guys head if he didn't do it) - but it doesn't sound as though they consider him a viable suspect at this time.

ValleySailor
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
NOT WHAT HE SAID AT ALL....he said the arrest was due to the GPS violation and that they do not at this time have a link to Hayleighs case. The LE officer made it clear that ALL possibilities are still being explored, and that would include this RSO!

that was my take on it as well, raeann. He never said the SO is NOT INVOLVED with Haleigh's case.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
They did say Haleighscase would be on America's Most Wanted this week.

hornswoggled
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
I have a question. When doing a search for SO's in Satsuma, Fl, this guy Loucakis doesn't show up on the list. He does show if I type in his name as living in Satsuma. People need to know this information, but if a SO doesn't show up, how will folks know? He doesn't show if I do a zip search, or if I specifically do a sexual predator search. Is it just me and my computer??

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
Probably only the ones who can afford to move, which pro'ly ain't many.

Why not put the GPS around a SO's private parts - would certainly get some interesting coordinate information that way -!

LOL! Good idea :)

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:40 PM
Oh, I thought the sheriff said they weren't excluding him and couldn't rule him out. I guess I need to go back and relisten, haha.


I took it as they did not think he had anything to do with it. Everyone else can take it the way they want to.....any one wanna wrestle till we find out? :eek:

mydailyopinions
02-19-2009, 04:41 PM
I may say it 5 or 6 more times. :crazy: The Sheriff said they were going to "just to double check".

I agree. :) I don't think he had anything to do with it either. The previous renters, or owners of that home said that the floors creaked.. Not to be mean at all, but did you see the picture of that guy? No way he came in, took Haleigh without jarring that house like crazy.. I am sure they can gather this guy's regular routine. His monitor will go off if he is outside his zone during the curfew hours. Even if they were outside of the curfew hours, they can still track him..I am sure they figured out to track his entire schedule on that Monday..

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:41 PM
I think they have been monitoring this RSO and when his gps went off,it was a reason to pick him up and check his house and property better.The Sheriff said LE was investigating area where the RSO had went to when his gps went off last night.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:41 PM
I have a question. When doing a search for SO's in Satsuma, Fl, this guy Loucakis doesn't show up on the list. He does show if I type in his name as living in Satsuma. People need to know this information, but if a SO doesn't show up, how will folks know? He doesn't show if I do a zip search, or if I specifically do a sexual predator search. Is it just me and my computer??
I found the same thing, I had to google his name and then it showed up. Strange isn't it.

PinkyPoo
02-19-2009, 04:41 PM
I REALLY doubt that this SO home zone is one mile.....Normally its inside the house and the yard thats it. I never heard it being one mile.

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 04:41 PM
According to the Florida Sex Offender Registry (http://www.floridasexoffender.net) he only lives .5 miles from Haleighs home. Not a mile.

mydailyopinions
02-19-2009, 04:42 PM
Oh, I thought the sheriff said they weren't excluding him and couldn't rule him out. I guess I need to go back and relisten, haha.

If you notice, the sheriff has said he isn't ruling out anyone. It is strategy.
JMHO

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:42 PM
remember the little girl in Jacksonville (and I am so sorry my mind will not let me recall her precious name....my blood sugar is low!) who was murdered by the neighbor boy and stuffed under the water bed? LE were in that home more than once. Same goes for John Couey and little Jessica was a neighbor. These sickos find a way. It is very strange, in light of the fact that a small child is missing, that he would dare break curfew and I sure am interested to find out what his reasons were. At least LE has him locked up without bond and are questioning him, and according to wftv, set to re~search his house.

(aside...these pervs make me see RED! :behindbar I hope to God it was not one of them that got their hands on little Haleigh)
I agree...

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:43 PM
talking abt pink tshirt again. acting like le will not divulge location shirt found. per fox news

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:43 PM
I think they have been monitoring this RSO and when his gps went off,it was a reason to pick him up and check his house and property better.The Sheriff said LE was investigating area where the RSO had went to when his gps went off last night.
He probably ran to his mommys house, cause Ron and a whole cast of characters were camped out and possibly harrassing him. I still think he deserves the gas chamber, but maybe thats why he broke curfew.

mydailyopinions
02-19-2009, 04:44 PM
remember the little girl in Jacksonville (and I am so sorry my mind will not let me recall her precious name....my blood sugar is low!) who was murdered by the neighbor boy and stuffed under the water bed? LE were in that home more than once. Same goes for John Couey and little Jessica was a neighbor. These sickos find a way. It is very strange, in light of the fact that a small child is missing, that he would dare break curfew and I sure am interested to find out what his reasons were. At least LE has him locked up without bond and are questioning him, and according to wftv, set to re~search his house.

(aside...these pervs make me see RED! :behindbar I hope to God it was not one of them that got their hands on little Haleigh)

I agree, yet what makes it worse is that they will slap this SOB on the wrist and let him go..:furious:

hornswoggled
02-19-2009, 04:44 PM
I have a question. When doing a search for SO's in Satsuma, Fl, this guy Loucakis doesn't show up on the list. He does show if I type in his name as living in Satsuma. People need to know this information, but if a SO doesn't show up, how will folks know? He doesn't show if I do a zip search, or if I specifically do a sexual predator search. Is it just me and my computer??


I went back to the SO site. You have to specifically check the "confined" circle for him to show up. Either that or type in his exact last name....sigh.

mydailyopinions
02-19-2009, 04:44 PM
talking abt pink tshirt again. acting like le will not divulge location shirt found. per fox news

Did you notice how the Sheriff asked the media what Misty told them about the shirt?
ummmm...

impatientredhead
02-19-2009, 04:45 PM
Although you have stated ( I think 3 times) that LE said he's not involved, how I heard it was that they have not connected him to Hayleigh, this guy lives less than a mile from her house, his GPS unit allows him to go 1 mile without sending signals to the police. He could have gone to her house and they can't prove it yet, he has been arrested because last night he left the 1 mile zone. Who's to say he was hiding something out of his 1 mile zone.... They also said they are going to search his home again, if he were cleared why would they do that?

IMO of course.:waitasec:

A mile is a huge radius for a gps tracker.
Is there a source for this mile radius allowance.

ValleySailor
02-19-2009, 04:45 PM
and where could he have hidden her in that period of time that she wouldnt have been found by now?


Remember Jessica Lunsford? Couey had her stashed in/under a trailer that LE had searched. With three other people living in it!:furious:

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:46 PM
Isn't it frustrating when we watch news and pressers and we have seen the info they have already and they say it's new,as in the pink shirt.Good God,just watching CNN and that Las Vegas SO is facing 22 charges of child molestation,he was the one who videotaped.Remember the little girl who's Mom working and had no idea this was happening till she saw her on the video on news,she was two yo.Just Kill him,just like he was a murderer,doesn't deserve to live!

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:47 PM
I took it as they did not think he had anything to do with it. Everyone else can take it the way they want to.....any one wanna wrestle till we find out? :eek:
we gonna be tag team partners LOL.

impatientredhead
02-19-2009, 04:48 PM
I REALLY doubt that this SO home zone is one mile.....Normally its inside the house and the yard thats it. I never heard it being one mile.

Me either, everything I can find says 500 feet.
And GPS could pinpoint where he was much closer than a mile.
A mile radius is huge if you are searching for someone based on their gps signal, you can tighten way closer than that.

kellync
02-19-2009, 04:48 PM
GPS will show a street map and exactly where on that street, or area the person is. In real time.

MysteryAddict
02-19-2009, 04:49 PM
OMG- let's hope this case in no way resembles the Jessica Lunsford case.
We know this guy could not have left the trailer park, so if he did take
Haleigh-what did he do with her? They need to search the grounds around
his trailer and hope nothing is found!

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:49 PM
Trucker heard an amber alert,car pulled in truckstop and trucker saw the van,wouldn't let them leave.Yah!

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 04:51 PM
Remember Jessica Lunsford? Couey had her stashed in/under a trailer that LE had searched. With three other people living in it!:furious:
Yep and she walked up the street and into a trailer and the dogs didn't find the scent.
I saw that trailer and am very happy it burned down. LOL I wonder how tht happened.

hornswoggled
02-19-2009, 04:52 PM
I found the same thing, I had to google his name and then it showed up. Strange isn't it.

Thanks BB. At least I'm not losing my mind. The SO site could use a little improvement. Ordinary folks looking to see who lives around them don't necessarily know how specific they need to get to find offenders, especially predators. They should show up with just typing in the city name.

swanniee11
02-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Isn't it frustrating when we watch news and pressers and we have seen the info they have already and they say it's new,as in the pink shirt.Good God,just watching CNN and that Las Vegas SO is facing 22 charges of child molestation,he was the one who videotaped.Remember the little girl who's Mom working and had no idea this was happening till she saw her on the video on news,she was two yo.Just Kill him,just like he was a murderer,doesn't deserve to live!


O/T Chester Stiles, I will never forget that SOB. They are now picking jurors for his trial which will take about a week. ( according to the news) The PD is asking 1 main question to the Jurors, " can you remain impartial after watching a video of a man having sex with a little girl?" Who the He** can say yes to that question? UGH

tehcloser
02-19-2009, 04:53 PM
PALATKA, FL -- A Putnam County sex offender has been arrested, but officials at this time say they do not believe he is connected to the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

Timothy Randolph Loucakis was wearing a gps device, and violated his curfew. He was outside of his "home zone," according to Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy, so he was arrested.

Although Loucakis is not considered a suspect, Sheriff Hardy did say investigators re-searched his house just as a precaution.

Hardy also said Loucakis was one of the very first people interviewed following the 5-year-old's disappearance, and that his property was searched twice in the first day of the search.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131743&catid=3

ElizaAvalon
02-19-2009, 04:53 PM
I found the same thing, I had to google his name and then it showed up. Strange isn't it.

Probably because his address has changed?

He's no longer home. He's incarcerated.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:54 PM
My daughter,same age as Jessica and looks like her,now my husband has trained her as he does his officers in defense.She's 13 and anyone who would try to take her,he wouldn't walk away.:princess:

colomom
02-19-2009, 04:55 PM
Doesn't the GPS system work through the phone lines of the home? If so, then he only has so far he can go outside his home before an alarm goes through his ankle monitor.

GPS has nothing to do with phone lines. It is a system that directly connects the monitor to a satellite and then can be accessed via the internet or a designated console.

impatientredhead
02-19-2009, 04:56 PM
GPS will show a street map and exactly where on that street, or area the person is. In real time.

Yep, according to the department of correction site it is very specific:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/secretary/press/2008/MDAS.html

winterrose
02-19-2009, 04:57 PM
When I put in my address to see RSOs in area,the map was covered,if it's internet,how can they monitor all of them and who is constantly watching it?

NSC
02-19-2009, 04:58 PM
I have a bad feeling about the RSO.

I know this might not mean much at all.

Last night, I was laying in bed thinking about this case, Dominick Arceneaux and Corrie Wood. Not always but I can't sleep because I think of theories or what not. And out of the blue this face came to my head. I don't claim to be a psychic or have any talent at all. But I have had some strange dreams and dejuvu and other interesting things happen to me. And this face came to my head. It looks just like this RSO except his hair was much darker. I saw this picture when another poster first posted it in another thread but didn't want to make my thought public. Don't want anyone to think I am totally crazy. Might be mean nothing at all...but I thought I would share.

I hope it isn't true. But I really think SO whether this one or not is responsible. Misty might have stepped out and that is the part she is hiding or has disclosed to LE but not to public.

mydailyopinions
02-19-2009, 05:00 PM
GPS has nothing to do with phone lines. It is a system that directly connects the monitor to a satellite and then can be accessed via the internet or a designated console.

Oh, okay, thanks! So what I am thinking of is a home monitoring device? Totally different right?

aprilshowers
02-19-2009, 05:00 PM
and where could he have hidden her in that period of time that she wouldnt have been found by now?

If these SO have cars, have they all been searched? Trunks?


Than again, there could always be an underground area ....

amandab
02-19-2009, 05:01 PM
If these SO have cars, have they all been searched? Trunks?


Than again, there could always be an underground area ....

I remember a case like that a while back - SO had dug an underground pit to keep someone in....

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 05:03 PM
I was just wondering.
Why would someone who knows that they are monitered, has been questioned and his residence searched twice and lives in an area that is under the microscope everyday not be where he is suppose to be in the first place.

NSC
02-19-2009, 05:03 PM
I remember a case like that a while back - SO had dug an underground pit to keep someone in....


This is what I was about to write!!! You never know what kind of "quarters" these people make by plotting and planning. Remember the case of father who kept the daughter locked up and fathered her children. Not sure if the location was "hidden" but this is what made me think about this as well.

NSC
02-19-2009, 05:04 PM
I was just wondering.
Why would someone who knows that they are monitered, has been questioned and his residence searched twice and lives in an area that is under the microscope everyday not be where he is suppose to be in the first place.

Maybe he thought since he had already been checked out twice. He could "move" evidence without going noticed since all of the hoopla surrounding Haleigh's case.

amandab
02-19-2009, 05:06 PM
It just occurred to me that perhaps the door was propped with the cinder block to prevent someone from getting fingerprints on the handle?

Aries72
02-19-2009, 05:07 PM
Trucker heard an amber alert,car pulled in truckstop and trucker saw the van,wouldn't let them leave.Yah!

This is what the witnesses at the Carraba's in TN should've done...OR got in a car & followed them until police caught up.

cocoamom
02-19-2009, 05:09 PM
Not posting anything of my opinion on this guy yet.

Just for information purposes, here is a map from his home to Haleigh's - ahem, the path from Google maps runs right beside the tracks and says it is .8 of a mile - by ROADS. As the crow flies it could be shorter.

Here ya go:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=100+Camellia+Dr,+FL+32189&daddr=200+Green+Ave,+Satsuma,+FL&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.785724,-81.676711&sspn=0.582816,0.878906&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16

indicat
02-19-2009, 05:09 PM
This is what I was about to write!!! You never know what kind of "quarters" these people make by plotting and planning. Remember the case of father who kept the daughter locked up and fathered her children. Not sure if the location was "hidden" but this is what made me think about this as well.

The foothills right above Elizabeth's house was the lean-to half up and out of ground. They moved on but they were there for a while and Elizabeth even remembers hearing searchers call her name.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 05:10 PM
Does anybody think, and this is way out there, that all of this is staged to move into book, movie deals. What i mean is someone in the family is hiding the child and then she shows up dropped off somewhere public.
I don't think so, just can't believe we haven't gotten any further in this investigation.

Becky319
02-19-2009, 05:10 PM
My daughter,same age as Jessica and looks like her,now my husband has trained her as he does his officers in defense.She's 13 and anyone who would try to take her,he wouldn't walk away.:princess:

Good for her (and your husband for teaching her!). I think that should be a course in school, would be more useful than sex ed.

I keep wondering why they felt the need to talk to this man 2 times in the first 12 hours of her disappearance and search around his home twice, LE's hinky meter had to be going off.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 05:13 PM
Maybe he thought since he had already been checked out twice. He could "move" evidence without going noticed since all of the hoopla surrounding Haleigh's case.


That is what I was thinking. LE is so busy looking at Misty, Ron, Crystal, cousins and such.

Oh I just can't help being worried that this guy could have gotten to Haleigh before his curfew. So many of them are devious and have gone to great lenghts to hide their victems, some of them very well.
I don't want to second guess LE but sometimes they do have a habit of putting on blinders and because of that end up missing stuff. It dosen't happen alot but it still happens.

amandab
02-19-2009, 05:18 PM
Does anybody think, and this is way out there, that all of this is staged to move into book, movie deals. What i mean is someone in the family is hiding the child and then she shows up dropped off somewhere public.
I don't think so, just can't believe we haven't gotten any further in this investigation.

That's an interesting angle - hadn't thought of that before. All the more interesting given the current state of the economy and how we've all witnessed profits made in Caylee's case.

LaLaw2000
02-19-2009, 05:19 PM
This is what the witnesses at the Carraba's in TN should've done...OR got in a car & followed them until police caught up.

Exactly! When are people going to learn to get a tag number and call 911 that second?

I would have stayed on my cell phone with LE and followed them. If it turned out not to be Haleigh when the van was stopped, then no harm done. That person probably would not mind at all.

**Great going to the truck driver that heard the Amber Alert and stopped that grandmother who had kidnapped her grandchild.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 05:20 PM
I always call when I see something that is odd. I would rather be wrong a 1000 times than be right just once and not have done anything. I think most people would be very understanding if LE pulled them over and to verify that they did not have a kidnapped child with them.

JenBMomto3
02-19-2009, 05:20 PM
I had thought of that in the beginning. Ecspecially the coinky dink with the names Haleigh, Caylee. Anne-Marie, Marie. Florida. It just makes you wonder.

I am thinking that crazier things have happened.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 05:21 PM
Do we know for sure they searched all those boats parked up and down the river?

winterrose
02-19-2009, 05:23 PM
I know Jen,that's what I was thinking when I first heard it,it happened the night before Caylee's memorial.And even the Dora backpack that CAylee had.

aprilshowers
02-19-2009, 05:25 PM
I remember a case like that a while back - SO had dug an underground pit to keep someone in....


UGH! :puke:

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 05:26 PM
Does anybody think, and this is way out there, that all of this is staged to move into book, movie deals. What i mean is someone in the family is hiding the child and then she shows up dropped off somewhere public.
I don't think so, just can't believe we haven't gotten any further in this investigation.

I have been worried about that ever since the Anthony case. People looking to cash in on a child gone missing. That is one of the reasons that I want LE to make sure that if they find that the A's knew Caylee was dead and they were still out there doing interviews and such to keep the 'Caylee's alive' in the media to extort more funds from good hearted people that they get charged.
It would go a long way in helping to make sure that anyone else who might be thinking along those lines would figure that maybe that isn't such a great idea after all.

NSC
02-19-2009, 05:27 PM
That is what I was thinking. LE is so busy looking at Misty, Ron, Crystal, cousins and such.

Oh I just can't help being worried that this guy could have gotten to Haleigh before his curfew. So many of them are devious and have gone to great lenghts to hide their victems, some of them very well.
I don't want to second guess LE but sometimes they do have a habit of putting on blinders and because of that end up missing stuff. It dosen't happen alot but it still happens.


Yes, and what if the reason LE is annoucing that he is not connected so that people keep on alert. Maybe they have a hunch he IS connected but in case he ISN'T they don't want the spotlight off the search?? Meaning they don't want anyone to loose steam over moving forward in the search??? WDYT??

MCDRAW
02-19-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't get it.
A gal I know was on house arrest for DUI and couldn't even go off her front porch.
This monster gets a whole MILE?! WTF?!


My brother was on house arrest for a drug charge, he couldn't even go on the porch. My Mother wouldn't let him smoke in the house. So he would leave the foot with the bracelet on it inside and put the other foot on the porch so he could smoke. I can't believe they gave this guy a 1 mile radius.

ValleySailor
02-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Not posting anything of my opinion on this guy yet.

Just for information purposes, here is a map from his home to Haleigh's - ahem, the path from Google maps runs right beside the tracks and says it is .8 of a mile - by ROADS. As the crow flies it could be shorter.

Here ya go:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=100+Camellia+Dr,+FL+32189&daddr=200+Green+Ave,+Satsuma,+FL&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.785724,-81.676711&sspn=0.582816,0.878906&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16

I'm still concentrating on the fact that the K-9 dogs lost the scent at the water. Could he not have taken her to a waiting boat? His house is not that far away from Haleigh's as the fish swims, rather than as the crow flys?
Any thoughts on that theory?

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 05:38 PM
I'm still concentrating on the fact that the K-9 dogs lost the scent at the water. Could he not have taken her to a waiting boat? His house is not that far away from Haleigh's as the fish swims, rather than as the crow flys?
Any thoughts on that theory?
Good theory.

raeann
02-19-2009, 05:38 PM
I was just wondering.
Why would someone who knows that they are monitered, has been questioned and his residence searched twice and lives in an area that is under the microscope everyday not be where he is suppose to be in the first place.


That was my first question when I heard this. Already he has been questioned by police and FBI, supposedly had his property searched, neighborhood is still crawling with LE and media, knows they are thinking a SO did this....

SOOO.... why would he break his GPS curfew....maybe because that was the least of his problems that he needed to deal with?????

ksgirl78
02-19-2009, 05:39 PM
Did you notice how the Sheriff asked the media what Misty told them about the shirt?
ummmm...

I just got back home from picking up my son and trying to get caught up here but I posted about this right before I left...I haven't read all the way through so maybe someone talked about it!!!!

I did find it odd that when asked a question about it, the sheriff asked well what has Misty told you?

PinkyPoo
02-19-2009, 05:41 PM
My brother was on house arrest for a drug charge, he couldn't even go on the porch. My Mother wouldn't let him smoke in the house. So he would leave the foot with the bracelet on it inside and put the other foot on the porch so he could smoke. I can't believe they gave this guy a 1 mile radius.


I think this whole one mile thing is a misunderstanding. LE said he lived WITHIN a mile of the cummings home. Not that he could go one mile.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Yes, and what if the reason LE is annoucing that he is not connected so that people keep on alert. Maybe they have a hunch he IS connected but in case he ISN'T they don't want the spotlight off the search?? Meaning they don't want anyone to loose steam over moving forward in the search??? WDYT??

Could be the story too.

I guess I just have trouble with all of the 'we arenít going to answer that." answers.

Standing up on soapbox>
It just leads to speculation. More clear, concise responses to questions would stop allot of this. A better answer would have been. In reviewing different aspects of the case, right now we do not see anything that would believe us to feel that so and so has had anything to do with Haliegh's disappearance. He was interviewed, his home was searched that morning and we did not find anything. We have since found that he has broken his curfew, which violates his term of probation, and we rearrested him for that specifically. AS we continue to review the case if we find additional things that will warrant us taking another look at this person we will do so. In the mean time we are continuing to follow through with tips and we encourage anyone who thinks that they may have information to bring it to our attention.
In effect they are still not really telling us anything but its better than I'm not going to answer that response.
<Now stepping down.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 05:43 PM
I REALLY doubt that this SO home zone is one mile.....Normally its inside the house and the yard thats it. I never heard it being one mile. that is what the shrf said in the presser:confused:

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 05:45 PM
That was my first question when I heard this. Already he has been questioned by police and FBI, supposedly had his property searched, neighborhood is still crawling with LE and media, knows they are thinking a SO did this....

SOOO.... why would he break his GPS curfew....maybe because that was the least of his problems that he needed to deal with?????

Yep. My thought exactly. Better to be hauled in under a curfew violation than a abduction, or worse, charge.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 05:49 PM
This is what I was about to write!!! You never know what kind of "quarters" these people make by plotting and planning. Remember the case of father who kept the daughter locked up and fathered her children. Not sure if the location was "hidden" but this is what made me think about this as well.
ITA. And if this were a rso it was most likely planned out ahead of time. I wonder what this guy did in the first place to be on a one mile gps tracking device?

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 05:50 PM
I keep thinking also of someone on the run who needs a child with him/her to make her more normal like when being in public. This could be a woman abductor.

Duncan thought he was safe in public with Shasta.

KaylynnCouture
02-19-2009, 05:53 PM
I keep thinking also of someone on the run who needs a child with him/her to make her more normal like when being in public. This could be a woman abductor.

I thought of that too, but all the pieces to this puzzle, IMO, lead to it either being somebody living very near Haleighs home, or somebody that she knows.

swanniee11
02-19-2009, 05:54 PM
I think this whole one mile thing is a misunderstanding. LE said he lived WITHIN a mile of the cummings home. Not that he could go one mile.


IIRC: when LE answered a question about SO being arrested for being out of his "zone" the reporter asked how big his "Zone" was and LE said 1 mile. Again, IIRC

AuburnJenn
02-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Does anybody think, and this is way out there, that all of this is staged to move into book, movie deals. What i mean is someone in the family is hiding the child and then she shows up dropped off somewhere public.
I don't think so, just can't believe we haven't gotten any further in this investigation.

At this point, I think anything's possible. This is one of the strangest cases I've seen. It does not help matters when no one in that entire "clan" seems to be telling the truth. There have been too many inconsistencies, weird stories, lies, claims, tales, etc. The Haleigh/Caylee, Ann-Marie/Marie, near Orlando facts are very odd. I've always felt there is something "off" about this case, you just don't know.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 05:59 PM
I'll tell ya if they find this babies body buried in that immediate neighborhood, I think we need to draw up new rules and procedures for searching for missing children.
I am just not happy with any of this.:furious:

NSC
02-19-2009, 05:59 PM
ITA. And if this were a rso it was most likely planned out ahead of time. I wonder what this guy did in the first place to be on a one mile gps tracking device?

I would think it had to be pretty henious to be on a GPS tracker. Unless, I am wrong, are all SO on them or only RSO in FL? Anyone know???

JMO: I think they should all be microchipped, castrated and sent to their own island to grow vegetation to feed themselves.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 06:01 PM
IIRC: when LE answered a question about SO being arrested for being out of his "zone" the reporter asked how big his "Zone" was and LE said 1 mile. Again, IIRC

I hope this guy doesn't get a whole mile to move around in as part of his curfew home zone. To me that is ridiculous. A mile is a pretty big area for someone to be able to room around in when they are considered a predator.

I'm waiting for the video of the presser to put up so I can see exactly what was said.
It's hard enough to figure out what is going on without someone who should know the correct answers to things possibly state something that is not correct.

colomom
02-19-2009, 06:02 PM
Oh, okay, thanks! So what I am thinking of is a home monitoring device? Totally different right?

Right! Home monitoring would be connected to a phone line and would dial in if the bracelet got out of range.

RJA00
02-19-2009, 06:03 PM
Not to mention but the GPS unit give's him a 1 mile zone from his home. Exactly how far does he live from her house. Geezzzzz.
I did mapquest a few days ago on his address to haleigh address it was .93 miles hmmm

AuburnJenn
02-19-2009, 06:03 PM
I thought of that too, but all the pieces to this puzzle, IMO, lead to it either being somebody living very near Haleighs home, or somebody that she knows.

I posted this theory a couple days ago. I put it out there that perhaps a woman who is a distant 'acquaintance' such as a neighbor, church member, grocery store worker, mail delivery woman, has been watching this family quietly from afar. She thinks that Haleigh's home is unfit, dangerous, abusive. She knows about Misti, that she leaves the kids home alone at night. She possibly does not have or cannot have children of her own. She keeps close tabs on this house and knows Misti will be out for the night. She slips in and tells Haleigh something along the lines of, "I'm Jane, I'm your dad's friend. He has to work late tonight and Misti can't be here. He asked me to come take care of you." And Haleigh, having had a revolving door of caretakers, doesn't find this to be strange and willingly goes with her. Now this random woman is caring for Haleigh somewhere far away.

This sounds out there, I know, but I keep coming back to this possibility.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 06:04 PM
I would think it had to be pretty henious to be on a GPS tracker. Unless, I am wrong, are all SO on them or only RSO in FL? Anyone know???

JMO: I think they should all be microchipped, castrated and sent to their own island to grow vegetation to feed themselves.

Not a bad thought. Nicer than what I think should be done with them.

nursebeeme
02-19-2009, 06:05 PM
IIRC: when LE answered a question about SO being arrested for being out of his "zone" the reporter asked how big his "Zone" was and LE said 1 mile. Again, IIRC
YES... and then a reporter asked how far he lives from Haleigh and the shrf said, within a mile

dax
02-19-2009, 06:07 PM
ITA. And if this were a rso it was most likely planned out ahead of time. I wonder what this guy did in the first place to be on a one mile gps tracking device?

Bolded by me..

Two offenders living with 0.5 miles of Haleigh's home.

Timothy Randolph Loucakis (SP) ...with info

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045

Kyle S Johns (SO) this one is straight up the street from
Haleigh's home...approx 10 houses.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 06:08 PM
Anything is possible of course. After hearing of the cases of pregnant women having their unborns stolen from the womb we should be openminded to everything.
Being part of WS certainly does give one an education.

swanniee11
02-19-2009, 06:08 PM
I think this whole one mile thing is a misunderstanding. LE said he lived WITHIN a mile of the cummings home. Not that he could go one mile.



here ya go http://www.wftv.com/video/18752533/index.html :blowkiss: listen at 6:32

MissOtk
02-19-2009, 06:09 PM
I posted this theory a couple days ago. I put it out there that perhaps a woman who is a distant 'acquaintance' such as a neighbor, church member, grocery store worker, mail delivery woman, has been watching this family quietly from afar. She thinks that Haleigh's home is unfit, dangerous, abusive. She knows about Misti, that she leaves the kids home alone at night. She possibly does not have or cannot have children of her own. She keeps close tabs on this house and knows Misti will be out for the night. She slips in and tells Haleigh something along the lines of, "I'm Jane, I'm your dad's friend. He has to work late tonight and Misti can't be here. He asked me to come take care of you." And Haleigh, having had a revolving door of caretakers, doesn't find this to be strange and willingly goes with her. Now this random woman is caring for Haleigh somewhere far away.

This sounds out there, I know, but I keep coming back to this possibility.

why would she leave Junior?

lolype29
02-19-2009, 06:13 PM
"Originally Posted by NSC
I would think it had to be pretty henious to be on a GPS tracker. Unless, I am wrong, are all SO on them or only RSO in FL? Anyone know???

JMO: I think they should all be microchipped, castrated and sent to their own island to grow vegetation to feed themselves."


Not all SO'S are on GPS, most that are still on parole/probation are, but not all are seen as "a threat". If I am not mistaken, it is on a case by case basis, and decided based on the circumstances of the case.

I have a friend who is classified a SO, but he had consentual relations with a long time girl friend, they later that afternoon got in a fight and she claimed rape.. of course they believe the woman and he is now a SO... but doesn't have a GPS.

lolype29
02-19-2009, 06:14 PM
why would she leave Junior?

Maybe she had "dreams" of having a little girl.... many women do!

NRN
02-19-2009, 06:15 PM
Would someone plz verify, it looks like this Loucakis SO's crime was making child pornography? Is that correct?

New theory throwin' out here is: MC &/or RC was allowing lewd photos to be taken of HC, in exchange for drugs or money. Something went terribly wrong, but now they can't admit to it because they would go to jail.

AuburnJenn
02-19-2009, 06:18 PM
why would she leave Junior?

She only wants/can handle one child? She only wants a daughter? Feels that the little girl is in more danger of being molested/abused?

Again, just throwing this out there...

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 06:20 PM
As far as being able to put him anywhere near her residence. Lives about 1 mile.
10PM-6AM is his curfew. He was found to have not been in his home zone last night. We know where he was and we have a team going to the area to where he was to search as a precaution. LE did go back and look and saw that he was in his home zone on the evening of Haleigh’s disappearance. His home was searched at that time and he was checked on again later that morning around 10:00 AM on the same day. They are not excluding anybody as a person of interest.

The video stops for me before the sheriff gets into any of the comments he made about the distance. Is anyone else having the same problem.


EDIT: additional information; was able to get entire video to replay--balance of information regarding RSO.

Home zone is within a mile. Everything is showing that he was not near the residence at the time.

lolype29
02-19-2009, 06:20 PM
Would someone plz verify, it looks like this Loucakis SO's crime was making child pornography? Is that correct?

New theory throwin' out here is: MC &/or RC was allowing lewd photos to be taken of HC, in exchange for drugs or money. Something went terribly wrong, but now they can't admit to it because they would go to jail.

Personally, I don't think that theory should go too far... that is sick and twisted (although I know it happens)... They just don't seem the type.

IMO, they are telling the truth, and some are fetching too far out there for a conclusion. I hope this story has a happy ending!:)

AuburnJenn
02-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Would someone plz verify, it looks like this Loucakis SO's crime was making child pornography? Is that correct?

New theory throwin' out here is: MC &/or RC was allowing lewd photos to be taken of HC, in exchange for drugs or money. Something went terribly wrong, but now they can't admit to it because they would go to jail.

That is a truly terrible thought, but I think anything's possible. There has never been a real explanation about the bed-wetting, constantly missing school. After viewing these peoples' myspace pages, it seems that sexuality starts very young with them. Way too young.

shadow of my mind
02-19-2009, 06:26 PM
"Originally Posted by NSC
I would think it had to be pretty henious to be on a GPS tracker. Unless, I am wrong, are all SO on them or only RSO in FL? Anyone know???

JMO: I think they should all be microchipped, castrated and sent to their own island to grow vegetation to feed themselves."


Not all SO'S are on GPS, most that are still on parole/probation are, but not all are seen as "a threat". If I am not mistaken, it is on a case by case basis, and decided based on the circumstances of the case.

I have a friend who is classified a SO, but he had consentual relations with a long time girl friend, they later that afternoon got in a fight and she claimed rape.. of course they believe the woman and he is now a SO... but doesn't have a GPS.

Statutory rape is one of the reasons that the numbers are so high for RSO. They are in a different category but do get lumped in with all of the others.

For the most part IMHO, these guys are not the ones the public needs to worry about. It happens a lot. Girls who do this make it so much harder to get predator rapist convicted and off the street.

swanniee11
02-19-2009, 06:33 PM
That is a truly terrible thought, but I think anything's possible. There has never been a real explanation about the bed-wetting, constantly missing school. After viewing these peoples' myspace pages, it seems that sexuality starts very young with them. Way too young.


IMO, I can't make a big deal out of the bed wetting, many kids do that. Keep in mind there were changes in her life, father started 3rd shift, a new home, anything could have set that off, even medical reasons. From what everyone including neighbors said about Haleigh, she was always smiling and happy. again IMO

scout35
02-19-2009, 06:38 PM
That is a truly terrible thought, but I think anything's possible. There has never been a real explanation about the bed-wetting, constantly missing school. After viewing these peoples' myspace pages, it seems that sexuality starts very young with them. Way too young.

Bold by me.

It has been said that the reason is due to Haleigh having Turners Syndrome. Of course no one can be 100% sure except for those close to Haleigh but it seems to be a very plausible reason IMO.

dax
02-19-2009, 06:38 PM
IIRC: when LE answered a question about SO being arrested for being out of his "zone" the reporter asked how big his "Zone" was and LE said 1 mile. Again, IIRC

LE said.."within a mile" when asked by reporter is that "home zone within a mile of Haleigh's living area?"....

6 minutes 18 seconds into the interview


According to the FL sex offender website he lives 0.5 miles from Haleigh's address

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 06:40 PM
Hubby said gps would have registered exactly where he went. He was probably home in bed. Not too much happening in Satsuma on weeknight.

NSC
02-19-2009, 06:54 PM
I posted this theory a couple days ago. I put it out there that perhaps a woman who is a distant 'acquaintance' such as a neighbor, church member, grocery store worker, mail delivery woman, has been watching this family quietly from afar. She thinks that Haleigh's home is unfit, dangerous, abusive. She knows about Misti, that she leaves the kids home alone at night. She possibly does not have or cannot have children of her own. She keeps close tabs on this house and knows Misti will be out for the night. She slips in and tells Haleigh something along the lines of, "I'm Jane, I'm your dad's friend. He has to work late tonight and Misti can't be here. He asked me to come take care of you." And Haleigh, having had a revolving door of caretakers, doesn't find this to be strange and willingly goes with her. Now this random woman is caring for Haleigh somewhere far away.

This sounds out there, I know, but I keep coming back to this possibility.


I really would HOPE this would be the case over a SO. And this does/can happen!!

MO case where women had baby cut right out of her stomach!!

I have been apart of parenting message boards and have seen first hand how DESPERATE people get over lack of being able to have a child. Totally guestimating but let's say 1 out of 5 million might pull something like this??? I dont know...just guessing.... It is sad how good people are not able to have children; I know from talking to several people with fertility issues how frustrating it is for them to see people they don't deem to be fit parents, have children and they are unable to cope with why they are not. Someone who is not in stable mind could have taken Haleigh.

At this point I think almost ANYTHING could have happend to this little girl. So, if I seem to agree with a lot of you. My first feeling is SO :( But I pray not.

NSC
02-19-2009, 06:55 PM
Steve Huff has a complete theory on the bedwetting on his website.

WWW.Truecrimereport.com

DotsEyes
02-19-2009, 07:15 PM
He can't be too smart to be an RSO in the area where a child is missing and then violate his probation by leaving his "zone".

As for child molestors and baby rapers - they should be all gathered together in the same area, fenced in with machine gun totting soldiers to keep them in, then drop food and supplies into the encampment. If we aren't going to kill them and they can never be rehabilitated, the least we can do is to protect other babies and children from them.

I visit the local SO registry to see what is going on in my area. I look at birthdates and offense dates and usually a statutory rape situation is easy to discern. Most are 'sex with a minor" when the SO was 18-21 and since 18 is the age of majority here, it is logical that we are talking SR and not Aqualung. If there are more than 2 years different in age and the victim is a minor, it is SR.

St3phanie
02-19-2009, 07:21 PM
How many times has Misty been interviewed now? Are they just hoping she'll remember a little more each time?

Boytwnmom
02-19-2009, 07:24 PM
In 2005 Jessica's law provided for lifetime monitoring of SO's.

"2005 Florida H 1877
Requires that offenders who are designated sexual predators and others who have committed specified sex crimes, particularly those against children, must upon release and for the rest of their life be subject to GPS "active electronic monitoring," which can monitor location and movement. Imposes a mandatory sentence of 25 years to life for many offenders who commit crimes against children. Toughens penalties for failure to comply with registration requirement, including penalties for those who harbor a sex offender in violation of duty to register."

From a Press Release from FL Corrections:

"October 8, 2008 For More Information
Contact: Public Affairs Office
(850) 488-0420
Correctional Probation Officers Using Technology to Better Track Sex Offenders
...
The Mobile Data Access System, dubbed MDAS, provides real time updates on offenders to officers both in the office and out in the field via laptop. The program, created by DC staff in-house, also gives probation officers instant access to law enforcement data and contacts, and GPS location data for sex offenders who are on active GPS monitoring. The GPS tracking ability is particularly significant because if a sex offender is not home but is on GPS, the officer can pull up their location on the laptop and track them from street to street, if necessary."


From an article called "Attack of the Perv Trackers":
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/11/72094

"GPS will not prevent a crime," said Steve Chapin, CEO of Pro Tech Monitoring, a manufacturer of GPS tracking devices. "It's a crime deterrent. It has proven to be a good tool, but you can't oversell it -- there's no physical barrier that it creates that can prevent a crime." Chapin said his Florida-based company tracks about 10,000 people, and he thinks other companies track a few thousand more. Offenders wear an ankle bracelet -- Chapin said it can be hidden under a sock -- and keep the transmitter nearby.

So, from my reading, FL requires active tracking which means you can always know precisely where someone is located but there is no one watching everyone all the time which is probably obvious as that would be extremely labor intensive. There are also exclusion zones which trigger an alarm and which would be set individually based upon the individual pervert and his location.

yosande
02-19-2009, 07:24 PM
But the predators gps says he was not at Haleighs residence. He lives a mile from her house and the gps is set for a mile from his house. Awful close measurements for me.

WTH! IIRC he lives 1/2 mile from Haleigh's house!!

Just checked again, he lives .8 of a mile from Haleigh's house.

ETA; correction, he lives 8/10 of a mile from Haleigh
I don't know how to copy and paste a google map.

Directions, from green lane, to Monroe, to Tyler, to Buffalo Bluff, to Cove, to Camillia.
Walking time 15 minutes.
Driving time 3 minutes.

yosande
02-19-2009, 07:30 PM
but the predators gps says he was not at haleighs residence. He lives a mile from her house and the gps is set for a mile from his house. Awful close measurements for me.


he lives 8/10 of a mile from haleigh according to google map!!!!!!!
100 CAMELLIA DR
SATSUMA, FL 32189-2804


Walking time 15 minutes one way.
Driving time 3 minutes one way.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 07:33 PM
he lives 1/2 mile from haleigh!!!!!!!
I know he does.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 07:35 PM
A real big question. Why this little girl?

yosande
02-19-2009, 08:03 PM
A real big question. Why this little girl?

1. She lives within the area that would not trigger an alert. His exclusion zone is 1 mile.
2. She is in the range of his sexual preference.
3. He could have easily seen her walking with Misty and Jr. on many occasions.
4. He could have easily stalked the family and waited for an opportunity.
5. He may have even seen a fight with Ron and Misty's cousin, and saw this as a great opportunity.
6. Easy access in and out.
7. He could have snatched and put her somewhere by the time LE got to his house at 5:30 am.
8. We don't really know what time she was snatched but if Misty could by some miracle be telling the truth, anywhere from 10 pm to 3 am. That's a huge timespan. imo
9. He knows the area, having lived there several years. IIRC 4 years.

Gailey
02-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Does anybody think, and this is way out there, that all of this is staged to move into book, movie deals. What i mean is someone in the family is hiding the child and then she shows up dropped off somewhere public.
I don't think so, just can't believe we haven't gotten any further in this investigation.
Not beyond the realms of possibility by any means. There has just been a big case in the UK of exactly that. Mum conspired to kidnap daughter for ransom money. They've just locked her up.

So it does happen.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Well,there's no Jane's Issues thread,so I guess this goes here,I don't believe for a second he believes Misty,just saw how he answered that.He was looking down,not at interviewer and his face looked strained.I think he's been told to not talk about certain things.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 08:52 PM
Since they have located a makeshift shelter in the woods, could this homeless person have gotten into the trailer to steal food. Back door open kitchen light on. Haleigh sees him, so she has to go.

winterrose
02-19-2009, 08:58 PM
I don't think the door was locked and Misty said Jr was up when she went to sleep and saw him leave the room,so I think Haliegh was,also.Someone's walked in or she's walked out.

Beyond Belief
02-19-2009, 09:03 PM
I didn't know the little guy was up, so if Haleigh was up, then he was the last person to see her not Misty.

dax
02-19-2009, 11:36 PM
I just got back home from picking up my son and trying to get caught up here but I posted about this right before I left...I haven't read all the way through so maybe someone talked about it!!!!

I did find it odd that when asked a question about it, the sheriff asked well what has Misty told you?

Yes....and probably because she tells different stories to different people....imo

The more somone changes their story, the more they back themselves into a corner.

kellync
02-19-2009, 11:45 PM
1. She lives within the area that would not trigger an alert. His exclusion zone is 1 mile.
2. She is in the range of his sexual preference.
3. He could have easily seen her walking with Misty and Jr. on many occasions.
4. He could have easily stalked the family and waited for an opportunity.
5. He may have even seen a fight with Ron and Misty's cousin, and saw this as a great opportunity.
6. Easy access in and out.
7. He could have snatched and put her somewhere by the time LE got to his house at 5:30 am.
8. We don't really know what time she was snatched but if Misty could by some miracle be telling the truth, anywhere from 10 pm to 3 am. That's a huge timespan. imo
9. He knows the area, having lived there several years. IIRC 4 years.
I havent gotten to the end of all f the posts tonight, but he couldn't have taken her between 10pm and 3 am. He was monitored starting at 10pm. Before 10, LE knows where he was, he cant take the monitor off and and put it on, they may not legally be able to track you, but they track you.

kellync
02-19-2009, 11:54 PM
1. She lives within the area that would not trigger an alert. His exclusion zone is 1 mile.
2. She is in the range of his sexual preference.
3. He could have easily seen her walking with Misty and Jr. on many occasions.
4. He could have easily stalked the family and waited for an opportunity.
5. He may have even seen a fight with Ron and Misty's cousin, and saw this as a great opportunity.
6. Easy access in and out.
7. He could have snatched and put her somewhere by the time LE got to his house at 5:30 am.
8. We don't really know what time she was snatched but if Misty could by some miracle be telling the truth, anywhere from 10 pm to 3 am. That's a huge timespan. imo
9. He knows the area, having lived there several years. IIRC 4 years.
I will not say I am a gps expert, I am not. But I do know that gps can be followed 24/7. RSO's dont take the gps monitors off at 7 am and put them on at 10 and take them off at 7 and put them back on. I am very confident, I own gps equipment personally, for business reasons.. while LE says you are "tracked" between certain hours, unless that monitor is taken off, you can actually be tracked ANYTIME. It is satellite enabled, and can be "backtracked", I think this is a dead end, although, personally, as I have said before, I think all RSO's should have their nuts chewed on by vermin while they are forced to watch. LE knows EXACTLY where this guy was. Probably at his Mommys...IMO

zadari
02-20-2009, 12:34 AM
I posted this theory a couple days ago. I put it out there that perhaps a woman who is a distant 'acquaintance' such as a neighbor, church member, grocery store worker, mail delivery woman, has been watching this family quietly from afar. She thinks that Haleigh's home is unfit, dangerous, abusive. She knows about Misti, that she leaves the kids home alone at night. She possibly does not have or cannot have children of her own. She keeps close tabs on this house and knows Misti will be out for the night. She slips in and tells Haleigh something along the lines of, "I'm Jane, I'm your dad's friend. He has to work late tonight and Misti can't be here. He asked me to come take care of you." And Haleigh, having had a revolving door of caretakers, doesn't find this to be strange and willingly goes with her. Now this random woman is caring for Haleigh somewhere far away.

This sounds out there, I know, but I keep coming back to this possibility.
if that were the case why wouldnt the boy have been taken as well ?

royalpurple209
02-20-2009, 12:35 AM
While scanning through the Florida sexual (offenders) and (Predators) website of the 5 mile radius of 202 Green Ln, 45 men are listed with the majority listed as offenders and 4 listed as predators with Timothu R. Loucakis listed as a predators no wonder LE came knocking on his door at 0500 the morning Haleigh was reported missing.

AuburnJenn
02-20-2009, 01:07 AM
if that were the case why wouldnt the boy have been taken as well ?

Again, this is just a random theory but maybe...she only wanted/could only handle one child? She only wanted a little girl? She thought a young girl was the most in danger of molestation/abuse?